Tiger Sisters - The Real Cost of Having Kids (No One Talks About This) | Natasha Leggero & Sabrina Jalees

Episode Date: May 18, 2026

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Oh, wow. Okay. I feel like motherhood is quite a gauntlet. And it's like if I enter motherhood, I'm going to be just so, like, fixated on it and want to be the best at everything. I think the proof is in if you ask any person that you really like respect. the way they live their life. They're going to say, this is it. This is the best part of my life. I'm Jean. I'm Cherie. I'm Sabrina. I'm Natasha. And we're the Tiger Sisters. We are your Wall Street and Silicon Valley Big Sisters. And we're a top 10 business podcast bringing

late night sister talk meets boardroom strategy. Okay, Gene, you know I've said it before. Who you marry is the biggest decision you'll make in your life. But perhaps the next biggest biggest decision is will you or won't you have kids? Or multiple babies? Yeah, these are the questions that actually keep us up at night. And today on the show, we're bringing on two special guests to get into the economics and the philosophical questions behind parenting. Their weekly podcast, Good Enough, explores the middle ground between old and new school parenting. Today, we're welcoming the brilliant Natasha Legerro, a stand-up comedian, actress, and producer. You've seen her on Chelsea Lately, Comedy Central, and Netflix specials. And she is the best-selling author of The World

Deserves My Children. And we also have on Sabrina Jalise, the co-host of the podcast, and also an incredibly talented stand-up comedian, actress, and Emmy-nominated writer of Big Mouth and Search Party. Yay! All right, guys, welcome to the Tigers. Welcome to Tiger's podcast. Honestly, to be sitting on the outside waiting to come in. It feels so nice to be on this side now with. you guys. Tiger sisters were so happy to be here. Yay. Let's get into it. I can already tell you're going to be great moms. Oh, really? You're going to have everything all lined up for them. They're going to know you're going to like record their poops and like. But, but one of you will have a mental breakdown and I'll tell you. Many. I'll tell you which one by the end of the

podcast. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Wait. I'm interested in. Aren't you supposed to record their poops? Okay. We'll get into that. I did actually take a picture of my son's shit on the weekend. Because it was my two-year-old pooped in the potty for the first time. Oh, congrats. You took a picture of it as like a commemorative picture? Do you guys want to see the picture? No, nobody wants that. It was so much poo.

It was like the freedom of like. Sabrina. Imagine shitting your pants for two years and then finally having a receptacle to catch all of that shit. It was just like it must have been like Kelly Clarkson's moment like this was playing. And just the it was just flowing. Wow. It was like the size of three regulars. Wow.

Yeah. They've been holding that in. That's right. Sorry to bring it. We're comedians, so we're going to. Yeah. Let's go there. Right.

Stop and how they go there. It's like a tick. Okay, well, let's start first with the decision to have children. So neither of us have any children. I feel like we're just like a confession. Well, you have a little. How old are you guys? Do you want to guess?

24 and 26. Wow, that is very kind. All right, can I guess? Yeah, you guess. 33, 34. Wow. That's a little less kind. Well, you said kind, so I was just going.

Let me guess, 73 and one of you was about 80. How old are you? I'm 30. Okay. I'm seven years older. I'm 37. Oh, wow. My kids have a six-year age difference.

It's so good. It's so cute if they were hosting a podcast together. one day? It's so good. We can also cut this out if you don't want anyone to know. What are you talking about? Natasha, why would we cut it out? I'm turning 41 in a week. Oh, happy people's birthday. Thank you. That's exciting. Now I have to tell my age. Yeah, well, go for it. I'm 52. Yeah, bitch. But I always say 50. Yeah. Really? And my daughter now is like, why are you telling people you're 50? You're 52, Mom. Do you guys want to know a wisdom that my mother told me about growing up? Yeah, you know. So I was a teenage stand-up comic with a lot of teenage success in Canada. And I was getting to my head, one of these days I was sort of feeling big in my britches, I probably was voted like top, top 20 under 20, the North York Gazette or something.

And so I told my mom, I'm like, I think I'm going to have a really hard time getting older because I've had all this success as a youth. And she was like, oh, yeah, you probably will. And I was like, what? And she was like, yeah, I mean, you're already planning on having a hard time getting older. so you definitely, you will. Yeah. And I was like, oh.

And she was like, but if you change your mindset, then you won't. So you just, you decide how you feel about it. Like if you want to feel about getting older, like you are collecting all of this wisdom. And with getting older, you have certain power and that it's inevitable, then you won't have a hard time. But you can decide. And I was like, oh, this is kind of at the core of a lot of like the things I'm passionate about. my parenting is like reminding your kids that they have the choice to decide how they're going to take the world in and frame it. Well piggybacking on that I feel like the choice to have

kids. And if you are watching, she is on my back right now. The choice to have kids like my, I was very career driven and I didn't really think about having kids and I'd never really I just thought I'd skip it, you know? And then my therapist was like, oh, I think you're, you're, you're like a situational breeder. If the right situation arises, maybe you'll breed. And I was like, I think that is me. You're in a situation ship with your child. No, I mean, at the right situation, meeting the right person, really is what it's about.

And then I met my husband and he really wanted kids. And he really wanted two kids. And I was like, I'm not going to have two kids. And then I, I was like, you know what? I think I'd be open to one. And then I was kind of simultaneously freezing my eggs just in case when I had Matt Han. Smart. And so can you, how old were you then?

38. Okay. And so, and I, you know, I was confused because, you know, this is all new science for women. And so I didn't really understand. And I think I got eight eggs. But eight eggs, because I was like, well, I only want one kid. What do I need eight eggs for, you know? But the eight eggs, once they defrosted them, transferred them to another place.

and then he blasted on them. And then, that's not the scientific term, but he like did his thing. Science for a little bit. Then they made the embryos. Then there were like four. Then they poked at them and tested for every single thing. Then there were two.

Then one went up me. Yeah. That died. Yeah. And then so then I have my daughter. She was the last one. So out of eight, I had a 30% chance of getting one. Oh, shit.

Out of eight eggs. Okay. So if you can freeze embryos, that's better. If you can do two rounds, I only did one round. I couldn't afford to do two rounds at the time. And I barely, I didn't even think I'd use it anyway. Yeah, the tiger approach, I would think, would be to do two or three rounds. I'm dead serious.

I mean, if we're talking sort of like, here we are, you're in your 30s, you're in your, you know, this is the time. I mean, I'm sure you've already frozen, right? I have. Yeah, you're tiger. I did two rounds. Yeah. Oh, you did do two rounds. So you don't need me to tell you this stuff.

Yeah, great. Well, I feel like you needed to do two rounds because I feel like on the first time you didn't retrieve enough eggs and you were pretty nervous. Sounding a little critical. You didn't retrieve enough eggs. But also it was good that she didn't make embryos too. Yes. Because you didn't know who you wanted them to be with. Well, I was on the verge of engagement at the time.

Oh, my gosh. Let's get into it. Oh, my God. And then you. Oh, thank you. Yeah. So my partner, well, my ex-part. My ex-fiance, we got engaged.

Yes. And it was like right before we got engaged. But we had been together for a long time. We had been together for seven years. Oh, my gosh. We lived together the whole time. Congratulations. You are in a whole new chapter, sliding doors of your life.

You freaking. I'm sitting here with you guys. Yes. Stay in your success, I bet. Well, he watches all my Instagram stories of my sister stuff. Oh, my gosh. I'm like, what are you doing here? Well, he's obviously listening to this.

Hey, you wish. Someone will send it down. Gina's looking so hot in this red top right now. She's finally. learned how to do her makeup. Missed out on that era. No. But yeah, so at the time, you probably remember this, like a lot of the old technology was that embryos were way more successful than eggs. Not even old technology, though. This is just real. Yeah, but no, but up until very recently, now, they're very close. No way. I suspect the doctor. So my doctor, he was like, you know,

like the difference in success rate is actually really, really low nowadays because the freezing technology has improved so much. So he was like, you don't have to do embryos if you don't want to. And that man freaking saved my life. Yeah. Oh my God, because I would have ruined your life. Because I am like a, I had such fertility ups and downs from the journey of the first kid. We met a surfer in Mexico.

I said, can have some ear jizes? He said yes. I literally threw it in my wife in an Airbnb baby comes out. I'm like, oh, this is easy. Well, you didn't throw it. You used one of those like a needle without a needle, a syringe. With a dog catheter attached, actually. Like you used a turkey baster?

Yes, that's the method. And turkey baster made it seem like so much jizz comes out. I thought I was going to be like a Home Depot bucket of jizz. It was very poco jiz. And you could not use a turkey baster. That would be way too big. It wouldn't work. It would not work.

My first prototype, I cut the thumb of the dish glove and then duct taped it shut and then put a hole at the end. And both our donor and my wife were like, what the fuck do you think we're going to be doing? You guys want to talk scrapy? I'm going to pipe the ice ice. sing in. Pipelines. But anyway, what we ended up using was a needle without a needle. All this to say, first baby, easy, peasy, lemon squeasy.

Second baby was my egg, his sperm, in Shauna, in my wife. And that was like bad clinic in Mexico, you know, two years wasted. Then it was like, I was like, maybe I get pregnant. Maybe I'm like, you know, shirking this. You had such a vision for your family, which was two children. Like, they just had this very clear vision. And I was like, by any means necessary. like a lunatic, like a cross-eyed lunatic.

No, that's, I mean, like, just aggressively, like, I needed this, which I am starting to realize is part of a personality problem over time. It's both like the sharp side of the sword is like, bitch is going to get it if she wants it. But the dull side of the same sword is like, I waste a lot of mental energy, I think, fixating. And I'm realizing this with my hip right now. I had, like, a torn hip situation. and I immediately started Googling like, oh my God, I'm going to need surgery, I'm going to need, but really. Time to go to Mexico. Someone needs to put jizz on my hip.

But yeah, but with time of taking a little time off pickleball, it's healing. And all this to say, I have taken us way off course, but only to say that I have been like a burnt tree from the forest walking up to saplings being like, you've got to freeze eggs and you're not just eggs. You've got to make embryos because embryos are the way. But now you're telling me there's new information. and that eggs are almost just as viable. But think of how crazy that is, it's just because people have started giving this science a little bit of attention. You know, it's like it's brand new. And when I did it, like, people weren't even doing it, really.

Like, now it's so important to, like, get this going. Think about all the movement with my hip that could happen if someone just gave a shit about one, the left sort of hip of a woman. Well, I'm very impressed that you got your two-kid family. I got my two-kid family. I believe my philosophy was one as an accessory, two is a lifestyle. And so I was more of the accessory.

I can see your eyes lighting it. I do love having one child. But it's hard because, you know, she doesn't have anyone to play with when she's at home. So there's a lot of play dates and, you know, Sabrina's wife is watching her right now with their child. That's right. Yeah. Our kids have been friends for as long as we've been friends pretty much. Yeah, three days.

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slash tiger sisters. Now back to the show. Okay, so we have a great stat here on fertility and having kids. So as of 2026, the U.S. Congressional Budget Office reported that U.S. fertility rates are projected to be 1.58 to 1.63 births per woman, which basically means that it's a continuation of the long-term downward trend that we've been seeing. Data shows that it dropped to an all-time low of 1.6.7.5.5.0 of 1.6.0. six kids per person in 24 and is expected to remain there for a few years. We used to ask ourselves, why wouldn't you have kids? But now it seems to be why would you? Especially when

they come out as 0.6 of a human. How does that work? Which side would you want? I'd want the head, I guess. Top top torso. Yeah. Definitely the head. Yeah. Did we answer your question? Next question. Okay, no, no. The question is... We have to tell them why we... Because my husband told me you have to stop telling people that they have to have kids.

But you have to have kids. Do you have to have kids? Yeah, I don't have a husband. Imagine you have an angel who doesn't know about anything bad in the world who doesn't have a phone who is like, they're just like these like. She's just grabbing her husband. No, I'm not at all. I'm saying like you just get to be in contact with these beautiful souls.

Yeah, they're just so cute. And eventually, you know, I do feel like. They're angels. I love to travel. I love to like squeeze the juice out of life and the idea of like putting some of your own needs and desires and money on the shelf so that you could pursue this other path. I understand why that's like daunting. And I totally get it. But there's just I think the proof is in if you ask any person that you really like respect the way they live their life, how they feel about their child. They're going to grab you by the shoulders. or not, depending on how touchy they are. And they're going to say with like the realist line read, this is it. This is the best part of my life. Right?

It's like that is, it's just the best. It's like to have that connection. I think it's like, it's almost like. We have really good kids though. We do. But you put good people like a bad one. No, I don't think that you get a bad one. I think that I think something goes bad along the way.

Even if there's a behavioral issue, I do think like, then that's this, that's, that's, the ride you're on, then you're on that ride and it's how you handle that ride. And when you actually answer the call of whatever the issue is, then you're addressing it in a way that that becomes your unique path through. And obviously like the anomaly of having a child that's like inevitably going to murder you or has like extreme mobility issue. I don't want to like pretend like that doesn't exist. But the path of just the journey of being like a parent is the best one of all. And I do think it's like where you're playing a video game and you're like playing one level and you're like, oh my God, this is so exciting in your life. And then the next level is to

like shepherd and it's like and the dimension changes, right? And you're like watching someone else play or something. And your values shift and you're you all of a sudden are okay with being degraded on a daily daily basis. Oh my God. The bruise that I have. I had this bruise right here. So the first layer of wasn't my fault. I was actually playing tennis with Wolfie yesterday and I smacked my leg. But it was right after I was teaching him a lesson about like, you've got to just take things in stride, man, because he was getting frustrated. So then I like just pulverized my leg. And then later on, I was putting him to sleep and he knead that exact bruise. If you have a bruise, your child is going to use an elbow or in knee to press on it. That's just sort of what's going to happen.

But yeah. Yeah. You should have a baby. Well, I love hearing you guys talk about it. I think deep down, I know I want to have kids, God willing, like three. I'll have one and see how I feel about it. But there's that part of me. I'm like, okay, I want kids. But then another part of me that's like much more surface level is like it sounds terrifying. I'm so scared about like when I'm pregnant and what's going to happen to my body. I see all these TikToks about like pregnancy nose and you have to tape down your nose. And then. And then you need a... Are you going to see nose? Yeah, I heard of that. That rarely happens. What happens to the nose? It like gets flat.

It like expands. And people are like taping down their nose now to like sleep that. So their nose doesn't expand and like the ankles. I'm physically, I'm like very terrified of that. I was too and that's what my book, The World Deserves My Children. I write a few chapters about that. And I just scheduled my C-section. I can do that.

Schedule the C-section. Well, because then the idea of like my water breaking while I'm in public, like, I couldn't get over that. Like, I was just like, this sounds horrifying. Civilized. Is it horrifying? If you're just, I remember my mom telling me, she was, like, at a meeting, and then your water breaks and my dad was out of town.

And, you know, it's like, I just had this idea, like, I'd be in the, at Costco, like, trying to call an Uber and, like, all this water. I don't know. Like, I was. If you're not, like, specifically the kind of, like, Portlandia character that's like, and I just love birthing children. Which your wife is. No, but she was horrified and it was two C-sections.

It was back-to-back C-section. But I will say, so at one point I did get pregnant. I did lose the baby at three and a half months. It was traumatizing and I mentioned it every time I'm on a podcast. Because I'm like, I think it's so bullshit that people don't talk about miscarriage. It isn't a potential outcome and so many, the longer you wait to have children, it just is part of what can happen. And I think by not talking about it and acting like it's like,

Bloody Mary or something. Like if you say it, then it shows up. It's like, no, it's just chromosomeral abnormalities. And like, even in the name miscarriage, it sounds like mistake, mistrial, like I fucked up. Yeah. Like I Amelia Bedelia had the baby. And like, I was like, carry the baby. Oh, no.

I left it in an Uber. But before I lost the baby, I was in this situation that I never thought I was going to get pregnant. It was just sort of at a desperation after paying for IVF and it didn't work out. And I'm like, all right, let me try. But it's really weird how your mind changes because I was like, always like, why would anyone not get a C-section? It's like truly the things that could go wrong in childbirth. And I know there's this huge, we watched documentaries about like the industrial complex in a surgery industry, the complex in hospitals and how it's like financially beneficial for them and for their schedules. And it's easier for the surgery. But it's easier. But

But what I will say is if there was like this bit, you're growing this baby, and this is the way I was thinking before I got pregnant, you're growing this baby and the actual like studies of what could happen, the complications during childbirth and it's going through this canal versus the valet system of like, we're cutting, we're bringing the baby out. it's the like chances of your baby even like one percent higher of your chances of your baby being healthier you go with that truly you do but then what happens when you're pregnant and natasha you were smart to avoid it and i know a lot of women who are like practical and they're like of course i'm going to do that and i can also hear the the like the drumbeat of like a lot of granola women listening being like this dumb dike no no wonder you miss garrisoned I'm worried bitch. But like,

but like, first of all, rude. Second of all, I did feel the way the granolas felt when I was pregnant. I was like,

but what if my pussy's like made for birthing? Like what if it's just going like a bathtub lady? Like all those women who want to give birth in the bathtub? I became kind of like, well,

my body was made to do it. I think that you just, once you start to get pregnant, you start to enter this like motherhood Olympics, kind of where you're like, I'm going to do it actually perfectly. You like start to like feel like it's time to fly close to the sun. And on the

outside, on the outside of it, I'm like, of course you get a C-section. But I also can speak to feeling pregnant and feeling like, I'm going to pop it out in 30 seconds of what's going to happen at me. I mean, I'm a little bit scared of that because my personality is already so similar to yours where like I'm very like achievement oriented. I always, I'm, you know, always been an A plus student, want to do the best in everything that I do, I feel like motherhood is quite a gauntlet. And it's like if I enter motherhood, I'm going to be just so like fixated on it and want to be the best at everything, like, and do the best everything for my children. Remember Marie Condos?

She wrote that book and then she had like one more kid and she's like, I don't do that anymore. She's like, I don't do their socks. I don't, you know, it's like she just kind of like came out publicly and was like, I can't stand behind this anymore. So like that does happen, I think. But, you know, maybe in 10 years you'll be ready for like a new personality. I think also, yeah, like it's okay for part of your spirit to break. If it's like the perfectionist spirit, then that, you know, I think where we are different is like I am an A student, but I'm like taking a lot of shortcuts and trying to chill out a lot. But I am going to, I'm going to pay you for your notes. I'm going to pay you for

your notes. We'll show up to the same test. Get the same score. But you have to understand. But you have to understand the reward. The rewards are things you can't really consider as someone without kids. What do you mean? Well, like the other day, my daughter said, you know, do you believe in God? And I was like, yeah, you know, I believe in God. She goes, I think God is hope plus love. And I'm like, that's real. Like, I never thought of it like that. Like, she's teaching me, like, deep truths, you know? And it's like, how, how could that, how could you get? And it's like not coming from a mentor. Yeah. It's coming from someone that you're trying to tease. So it's like, and I never said that. They're like the only people that we know that aren't addicted to our

phones. Exactly. It's so special. It's like, you're like the hype is real basically. Yeah. The ripe is real and tomato score is true. And also, Gene, about your sort of like predisposed. You're like, oh shit, I'm going to be like a perfectionist about parenting. Then listen to my mom's words about like, Well, or you could say I'm going to use parenting as an opportunity to break some of the habits that are not really worthwhile for me. Like I think my wife has a bigger arc in just like she grew up with like military cleanliness. They all like folded the sheets to their bed. It all looked perfect. And the house was tidy.

And art, I mean, she can't focus without a tidy house. And you and Natasha and her, we were together all on our podcast last week. And they were relating to this. But from the outside, I see for my wife, there has been an arc of a little bit breaking her spirits with it, which is kind of rewarding. You know, it's like it's not sustainable to have two kids and to have the house be completely impeccable. And that's not what she's aiming for anymore. But it is like, that's just actually a lesson that your kid is teaching you, which is like, yes, things are not perfect. But also like tidiness is important.

and we meet in the middle, but like, what's important is how we feel and how we make each other feel. Yeah. Yeah. I can tell from how you both are speaking about your children, how much you love them and really, like, not even cherish them, but like, you really like, you really like them as people and as the people they are becoming. And my question is a little bit, I don't know if it's crass or like, I don't know, but it's just like. I think that's an assumption that you can't make. Well, I want to hear from you guys what you're going to hear what you think is crass. Well, I don't know if it's rude, but like, does everyone feel that way about their children?

Or are there people who secretly don't actually really like the children, their children, and say that they do because they've made this irreversible decision and they can't take it back? Like, as someone who doesn't have a kid, I'm like, what if I have a kid? I'm like, and I'm raising them and I don't like them. Maybe that's a reflection of, and I don't like them. Well, I think that this is. This is inner child work. This is inner child work, which is I think everyone, if they can have access to therapy, should be in some sort of therapy practice. But like, I think that your kids are an extension of you.

And I think to the extent that you love yourself and love yourself for your your shortcomings too, you will be able to reflect that love onto your kids. And if you are having trouble with an aspect of your kid, it's actually something that you feel about yourself. Your kids are a reflection of all the habits and things that you're trying to teach them. And of course, they're also characters on love on the spectrum and they're not, you know, all right, I thought that would be a huge laughbeat, but I'll be sure not. All right, there we go. We got it. You know, it's like there are. And I think if love on the spectrum was here, they'd say, yeah, we have some trouble being cool on a date.

Like there's, there's like the learning curve for them is like not, they're not always going to like take the note and understand it. But your patience for them is a reflection of your patience with yourself. There's definitely people who don't like their kids though, Sabrina. Or who like... Yes, they don't like themselves, though, I'm saying. But they also... Or they're just so busy that they're like outsourcing it all. And the result...

And I would not love myself if I was outsourcing every aspect of parenting my child. There's something that I'm afraid of there. In terms of how can I trust myself to do this stuff? Ali Wong gave me good advice. She was like, just try to be there. Because, you know, once they're in school, they're gone for eight hours. They're gone from like the first five years are hard But then they're gone from eight to three

You know, that's a pretty good chunk You guys could do your podcast You could still have your empire But Ali was like try to be home by like four And I was like oh that really is good Because then you can like be there with them in the morning And then starting at four It's like oh it's like you can hang out with them a little bit

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where you heard about them. Please support our show and say that the Tiger Sisters sent you. And now back to the show. You guys make it sound easy. I think that when you're ready to have a kid, it can be, Obviously, it's like any big overwhelming undertaking in your life, like, probably like starting this podcast. That was kind of like, that was birthing something, right? Maybe. And in the beginning, it's like, what the fuck are we doing?

And then you figure out sort of like a stride with it. And I think the more in stride you take things, we talk about this a lot on our podcast. And the reason why we created our podcast, I think, was partially because we wanted a place to have conversations about the imperfections of it all. Because our algorithms were like telling us we're doing it wrong. In the same way they're scaring you. They know your demographic. I don't know why they're scaring you,

but telling you're going to get pregnancy nose or whatever it is. Yeah. Ours are telling us like, oh, you need to pack this lunch and you need to like, don't say this to your kid. If you say that's your kid, you could fuck them up. You know, and it's like you start to just feel like completely out of control. Yeah, like, you know, exactly that. Like there's all these guardrails that we've got to stay within.

And ultimately, it's like everything. in life. The guardrails are like everything that you've learned in your life. And if one thing doesn't go perfectly, then great. That's also a lesson, you know? That's the biggest lesson, actually, I think, isn't it? Like for you, and we're going to have you guys on our podcast, and I want to talk about sort of like, you both graduated from incredible schools with a graduating class. And when you look at the people that made it or didn't make it, is it not people that get up after they fall down are the ones that are furthest along in the race. Natural talent or, you know, people that have to work at it harder, either way, it's about like, are you getting up after you fall down?

I think it's very interesting. The way that you guys answer our questions, it's very revealing of your personalities and your life philosophies. And parenting philosophies. And bodies, if you're watching, we're taking our clothes off. And if you're not watching, turn off your turn on your video now. Well, we're professionals. We're pros, man. We're pros at knowing absolutely nothing and everything. And how do you guys feel about Tiger Woods, by the way?

Do you feel it's damaging your brands? Yeah. Unrelated. It's unrelated. Completely unrelated. Unrelated to the brand. But, God, can you just go a year without a DUI? Can you call an Uber or a Lyft?

Those options exist. Can you imagine Tiger Woods in a ride share? I mean, he doesn't need a black SUV. whatever suits him, you know what I mean? Like, whatever he needs. You see Tiger Woods in an Uber pool? Shri was saying that would be like the perfect brand partnership for him. You know, like a waybo.

That's the thing once you're that high up, you fail upwards. Every DUI is a sponsorship there. God, yeah, right? I'm going to reflect on that. Wanted to talk a little bit more about the cost of parents. That's something that I hear a lot of people talk about. Like one of my best friends is due soon and she was just lamenting to me about the fact of like, oh my God, having a nanny for this many days, a night nurse, all these start to add up.

And then apparently there's a duna, Duna. Duna? No, Duna. What's a Duna? The stroller. Yes. The brand for the stroller that's like thousands of dollars. Yeah, but I bought one second hand for 400 bucks.

Okay, right. See, I feel like tips like that or things that I don't know. It's the same thing as when you get married. It's like, do you want the. Do you want the white chairs? Do you want the brown chairs? Or do you want the bamboo chairs? So what do we want?

Well, the bamboo chairs are $4 a piece. The plain white chairs are only a dollar piece. People are going to be sitting in them. Like every step of my wedding, I just picked the cheapest thing because I was like, whatever. It's like it doesn't really matter. It's like, I'm not saying you should always pick the cheapest thing with your kid. But I'm just saying like, you don't need a night nurse. Every single person in Hollywood told me I needed a night nurse.

No, you don't need a night nurse. So people who don't know a night nurse. is a gremlin. She sleeps in a closet. No, it's this, it's this stranger you invite into your home to stare at your baby all night while you're sleeping. And like, everyone made me think I needed this. And then the crazy thing is if you're breastfeeding, you need to get up anyway. Yes. So it's like, I was meeting this woman in the hall who was just staring down at my baby. And then she told my husband to not come in the room. I mean, it was just like, and then we ended up paying her like $2,000 for a month and then just had her never come again because she had like it's a pretty good job

arranged her schedule but I just think people make you think you need all of this stuff that you don't really need but I'll tell you what you do need instead of a night nurse the snoo S-N-O it is that was amazing it feels like counterintuitive it rocks your baby for you with a motor it trades it helps your baby it simulates the sounds of the womb and it rocks the it simulates the like motion of the womb as well and it helps you help you your baby train themselves to go back to sleep in the middle of the night. And by the way, here's the thrifty thing to do with the snoo. You buy a snoo secondhand.

Make sure that it's like not the third or fourth or fifth time someone's selling it. And you also make sure that it's not a rented snoo. I heard there's like people that are renting snooes and then selling them and then you get scammed. But, um, the snoo scam. Snu scam. But, but you buy one second hand and you sell it secondhand. So you're basically, potentially, you know, I bought mine. You're making money.

You're making money. By the way, you guys don't know this yet, but Sabrina is like a master. Manipulator. No, she can add everything up in her head all the time. Like she knows budgets. I mean, you guys are like. You're overselling it, but throw three numbers at me. No, but she's very good at.

1-1-1. Okay, that's three. And that's three. Yeah, throw three. three single digit numbers in there. But I do think that, yeah, people can go overboard, but why isn't there a better underground network for all of this crap you need for the kid?

It's like, because we all outgrow it. And then you have to like try to find someone who needs all your stuff. There are sites. There are websites. But you know what I really like? I like just like the underground railway. I don't know if that's the right comparison.

But like the sort of just like, I like just like, look, if you're middle class to upper class, just give your shit away when you're done. Do that. You know, so many people that were richer than me gave me such nice things and I treasure those things. And now I'm going to give those things to other people. It's like such a nice way to like come into this period of your life where, yeah, you were going to be spending more money. Right.

So like it's just a nice vibe to be like giving things secondhand. Yeah. One of my friends says she gets all of her baby stuff from buy nothing groups in the way. So she's like, because people want it out of their house. Like, we have stuff in our garage right now. Like the next pregnant person that we meet that's not awful. And I'm sorry if you're a pregnant person in my life and you haven't been offered it yet. Yeah, you wanted to go to a nice cutie.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like you're both going to have kids. I know they are. Are you kidding? Have you decided who's going to be a better mother yet? Not yet.

No, we're revealing it in our episode of our podcast. I just decided that's better marketing. You should try to have them somewhat at the same. time. You guys should get pregnant together. There's seven years apart, Natasha. So? We're 10 years apart and we had our kids at the same time. Excuse me. Yeah. I think we happen. We've actually never talked about it before. It could be fun to have kids at the same time. Yeah. But just don't make a podcast about it because that's our

territory. We have so many questions. I don't think so. We would not be equipped. Hey, Tiger fam. Watch this episode on Spotify. If you're subscribed to Spotify, premium, you won't get any Spotify ads on this video. No, I mean, I definitely want to have kids. I've always wanted to have kids. And I also, similar to street, like, ideally, I would love to have three kids. Hey, that was my answer. You guys, don't copy it, okay?

You barely want one. Why have three? It is like Mormon, Mormon vibes for L.A. No, Mormon is like five or more. If you go into the middle of the country where things are cheaper, have five. Huh. But if you live in the city and you have three, good luck doing it. It's almost like, okay, this is going to be another bad comparison.

But in Afghanistan, America went in, taught all the girls, oh, you can read, you can play sports. And then everything changed and now they can't. Having three kids, I'm very nervous about how I'm going to connect this. We can cut it out. No, but I'm saying, but I think that having three kids in L.A. while you're watching all these women live their lives and make eye contact is like being backwards in Afghanistan while the women are reading. And I, by the way, I am Pakistani, so I can make that analogy. That hinky analogy. I remember being in Paris with my three-year-old. All right, Rich.

And, well, I was trying to go on a vacation. Don't worry. I was there with my one-year-old. And I got my period. And I went to the front desk and, you know, I don't speak French. And they were like, you know, they didn't have any tampons. I had to, like, go try to figure out which way she told me to, like, walk down the street. I'm with my daughter. I have, like, stuff spilled all over my black jeans. And then I'm, like, realizing I've got, like, a pair of underwear, like, an old underwear, like, stuck, like, in between my, like, tight jeans.

You know, I'm like, what is this bulky thing? And I'm walking down the street. Walking down the streets of Paris. And it's just like, it's because I couldn't keep it all together. You know, that's going to happen. You're going to be humiliated. One is a pair of pants. Two is a tube tap.

Three is the piece of underwear stuck inside your pants. But I'm just saying that stuff. It's a universal experience. It'll happen, you know. But I don't know. I think three is too much. It's like too many pregnancies and too many kids that want your attention. And just have two and then take it from there.

But like, I bet you'll agree. Yeah. And then there's always, there's a middle child. Do you have a middle? Do you guys have three? It's just the two of us. Which is what you were like... I was a third that was not on this podcast. I know someone who just had a fourth child because they didn't want to have a middle child.

Oh. Because it's like... Never ending. I have a middle child in my family and... Is it not good? He's homeless in Florida. Oh. Sorry, I didn't mean to bring that.

No, I think that we should do a moment of silence for that because nothing made the point. After my brilliant Afghanistan analogy, nothing could make the point clearer. Well, y'all will do what you want. Yeah. I mean, I'm 37. So three is, I don't know if that's in the cards for me, but. Let me ask you this. Are you seeing someone now?

No, I'm single. Okay, if you were in your early 40s, if you were in your early 40s not seeing someone, would you push the trigger and do it badass? No, I don't think so. Because I want the whole experience. Like, I want to raise a baby and have a family with a partner. Me too. And that's why I thought I was a situational breeder because it's like, and I have friends

who did it all on their own. You know, they hired a surrogate. They got eggs because their eggs weren't more bad. They got sperm. They, you know, they had someone else do, you know. You're talking about Ricky Lindholm. She has a whole show about it. Oh, okay.

I wasn't going to say her. No, she's, well, she did an episode of our podcast, but she has a whole show about it that's touring in London right now. And after she had the kid, she fell in love with Fred Armisen. But she was okay to do it on her own. And I knew that was not something

because my mom was a single mom. I was not after that. And that was never something I was prepped to do. But I want to be the voice in this podcast that says, if you're listening and you're out there and you're in your early 40s, you've got some frozen eggs or you're like, maybe this is my last chance to freeze some embryos or eggs. I would say that is a way to do it.

And I do think one part of the story of Ricky that is really gratifying and cool to talk about is she was fulfilling her destiny, not waiting for a man to check that. And in doing so, found the right man. But she really, her whole life, wanted a kid. Yeah. That's what I'm saying.

I think a lot of people say, like, okay, I wanted a kid. I'm like in my mid-40s, so it's not going to happen. Well, there's other options. And maybe don't let that dream die just because of the fertility bump. And maybe don't let that dream die just because of the partnership bump, is what I'm saying. I had mine at 43. And that's, I feel like I'm kind of the age of a lot of her parents. First of my parents.

Yeah. So I do think that there's a little, I mean, obviously we're in the coastal situation and maybe it's different, but I do think it's, you're definitely not like elderly. Well, did you guys see that a new stat came out where in the United States for the first time, I think ever, more people are giving birth in their 40s than in their teens. That's good. Wow. Have we crushed teen pregnancy? 40s than in their teens, that's great. Unfortunately, kids are having their period at 12. Yeah.

That's a little bit of an issue. Separate. Yeah. Wait, is that different than before? I think it's like happening sooner from what I was 12, I think. When did you get your period? 12. Yeah.

Oh, I didn't expect to. You were 16? I was old. I think you might just be the anomaly. I don't think people are changing. I think you were just. No, I heard that though. That it is earlier because of like endocrine disruptors.

It's not like a scientific. I don't know that for sure. but that is like the theory because there's a lot more endocrine disruptors in our generation. What's an example of an endocrine disruptor? Like, Jeffrey Epstein. Ah. Wait, am I not supposed to use Lysol? No, like, I don't like not like Lysol specifically.

Talk to Shazana. We're not allowed to use anything. Like the, like, like, anti-stick, anti-stick pans, like the stuff that's on in the stick pans. That's an endocrine disruptor that didn't exist, you know, in the 50s or, in the previous generation. I know someone to come to my house and they're forever chemicals. And tell me.

Shawna will throw it all away. Okay, good. I just had a whole argument with her yesterday about, she's, I brought home, farmed shrimp from Costco. She goes, I don't want you buying this stuff. Wait, why? I told her, I'm like, what are you talking about?

She's like, my doctor said, we should only eat wild fish. And I'm like, tell your doctor to buy the wild fish. It's so expensive. What? So farmed is like a joke, right? Farmed. No, but it's not, but I looked it up.

And Chachip-T said it was fun. Chat GPT is wrong all the time, Sabrina. This episode brought to a farmed shrimp. Where does she want you to buy your shrimp from? She wants me to go find it in a river. She wants you to go shrimp in it. No, but then I was like, watch what I said. I was like, you think you're so good for the environment.

Why don't you look up the effects of buying all these Amazon things and returning them? Got them. Got them. Look, I can tell this is not a very important. very exciting part of your podcast that I've brought us to. So you guys got to take me out. We have more questions. Okay. Quick pause, Tiger fam. Please take five seconds to subscribe to Tiger Sisters podcast wherever you're listening or watching this. And in those five seconds, you're about to subscribe.

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Yes. So we've been told that who you choose as a partner is one of the biggest decisions you can make in your life. How can you tell that someone is going to be a good parent? And how does this inform how we date people? Good question. Really good question. Well, I have an interesting answer because, well, first of all,

I think it's, I'm sure you guys have done this. This is basic, but like making a list of your negotiables and your non-negotiables. And after a breakup, I'll always, you know, I was always like, okay, well, you know, I wanted them to be British. I wanted him to play guitar, but those weren't like non-negotiables. But then your non-negotiable list starts to become bigger and bigger, like things that you absolutely can't do without. And like one of the things was able to let me shine. Things like that, like where you're like, oh, wait, that's why this relationship didn't work. Like, they would get jealous or they didn't want me going out.

or they didn't they couldn't understand my career or my drive and you know that's a huge thing and then another thing was this is kind of I'm trying to think of how to phrase this like you know just knowing that's on your list right yeah well you got to see my wife knowing that someone isn't going to cheat on me like that that can take up so much of your energy like like if you kind of in the back of your head know, they always have like a roving eye. Like that kind of stuff just starts to eat me alive. And I'm like, you know what? I need to pick someone where like I'm the, I'm feeling like I'm the star. Not to put anything, you know, negative about my husband. Like he gets, he got plenty of action. But it's like there was just a dynamic in place. Like it's almost like an

unspoken thing. It's like a dynamic. And like we have horrifying problems. Like he's such a mess. It's like, I mean, it's like I'm consumed by a lot of our issues, but when I look at what they are, they're not, you know, I, yes, his socks and shoes are everywhere. But like, and, you know, he goes to Burning Man. But he's not like, I can't reach him. I'm not sure where he went. Like, because I've had that before and I just hated that dynamic so much and my mom had that dynamic. And I just think, like, what is the dynamic, you know? And also, he really wanted to have kids.

And so that's kind of how I knew he'd be a good parent. I guess it's all stuff that also just dovetails with good partnership. It's like you're all as parents, you're kind of like there is no guarantee. You don't know what it's going to look like any given day. But if you are able to compromise through relationship hurdles, then you'll be able to make it through raising a kid. Like the way that you pick your partner as just like the person you're going to spend your life with and the person that you want to grow old with,

I think that choice, it comes down to like the fundamental things that also make someone a good co-pilot for parenting. Like for me, kindness, like ultimately, you know, obviously I'm always looking for a beautiful woman. It's the first draft in my mind, I always looked for the beauties. Like, you know, you want someone that's hot. And then ultimately what makes it sustainable is like an element of like kindness and empathy so that when things come up, They actually are looking to solve the problem as a couple and not just fight for their way. And then one thing that, one of like, Shana and I, so I met her in San Francisco and I was living in Brooklyn. And the first time that I went there, after I, like, had happened to meet her in San Francisco and we kissed and then we, like, went our separate ways.

I booked a trip to go back two weeks later being like, I'll be back in town. But I was just back in town to be with her and put all of her furniture on Craigslist to be like, you're moving to Brooklyn, which I really did, like a psycho. Wait, you guys did that lesbian thing Where you move in like Right away I mean she was like I'm not even a lesbian bro And I was like

Don't worry, me neither Me neither We're all fluid here She was like I'm a butterfly I'm here and there I'm like oh my gosh That's what everyone calls me too You're like you're a butterfly

I'm an anchor I'm a cage I'm a cage No kidding I'm fully a cage You are a cage You keep it class So then I caged the butterfly.

But she took me on this really cute trip. I remember I got on like, what's that website where you don't know, Hotwire. We booked it and it was called like Chamonad. And it was like in Santa Cruz or something. But we go on this trip and she keeps filling the trunk, which is like a foreshadowing of every trip. We can't go anywhere without so many suitcases. Well, she's a stylist. Silenced.

She needs to have all of it. her but we get to this place and she's unloading the car and she has this huge giant like tapperware like a huge like you know double and she opens it up and it's full of art supplies and she and we like like made canvases together but i immediately was like oh my god you are the mother of my children we're doing arts and crafts yeah yeah i just wanted someone who wouldn't cheat on me i'm just kidding but but that's important too loyalty look that's straight versus is gay. Gays look for Tupperware. No, but Shauna's very talented.

Yeah, and she's such an intrinsically maternal cutie. Like if you were at their house, she would have like a whole like cheeseboard that she figured out how to make and then she would have sprinkled some flowers on it and just like... She's also always just thinking about like I know on our podcast, there's a constant debate where Natasha's talking about not having tablets at dinner and I'm talking about how many screens can we put in front of these kids so we can have a cocktail.

And that's like the cartoon character of me, I think, on the podcast. But what's real is that like Shauna is always like yesterday. We had a bunch of kids over and she put out this like art table. You know, I think just, I think people that are not sociopaths make good parents. People that are thinking about like the adventures and the experience of someone else will be inclined to do the same for a kid. Yeah. I mean, I think the way I think of it, you just said the word adventure, I'm like, okay, being a parent is going to be the next big adventure, right?

Like you need to, or at least for me, I'm like, I need to pick the right partner for that adventure specifically. Yeah. And also along the way, and along the way, like, this is why I'm a proponent of the dream is not attached to the partnership because I think sometimes what we can do is put pressure on those partnerships to be that right away where Shauna and I had a long, a whole arc together before we had kids. And so don't forget that like, yeah, red flags, red flags, a red flag, but also like, you can get there together. I also completely tricked my husband because like he, he was like,

well, can we still have an open relationship if we get married? And I was like, yeah, why don't we have, why don't we get married and then talk about the threesome? And then he was like, okay and then recently he was like you were just saying that right like now he's in too deep but like i think and you're like saying what get back in your cage and there i am and there's the threesome it's okay to say things you know if you because sometimes guys like they just are like there's well guys especially they're you wanted to like move in the second you matter but like guys they they're like very addicted to their autonomy cagey yeah so it's like sometimes you have to kind of like, you know, just let them know, oh, yeah, it's going to be okay.

Sure. Why not? Let's table that. Trapped. Yeah. Yeah. And you snap, snatch them. Yeah.

We both expressed two. Very different. Two different ways of lying in a relationship. My way is like, yeah, you could, yeah, I guess both of them come down to us being like, it's okay when really you're like, I'll change that. Exactly. Yeah. Growing together.

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him being, like him drunk driving was one of the main topics that was always happening. Oh my God, yeah, patterns be patterns. You know what? I take it back. If there's red flags, you run. Run from, yeah, the red flags won't change.

No, I take it back. Well, what I mean is just like, I think that this predicament that women in their late 30s, early 40s are in that men don't suffer from is like you're like I got to find the musical chair so that I can sit down and win the game and that's what I try to talk about all the time is like fertility preservation can equal a relaxing of that so you don't end up in some garbage relationship just because you're like I wanted the bag and the bag is the kid yeah and if you did end up in one of

those once you got the bag guess what that bag? That bag. moves. Get out. You don't got to stay in the store with the bag. Yeah, I truly do feel that way. Like, now that I've had my eggs frozen for a while now, I don't feel like pressure to find the right person right now. I just am like, and the worthy person, not saying. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It will happen. Those are some good eggs. Which is a good conversation, a good feeling to express. Good ass eggs. Good ass eggs. Once you freeze those good ass eggs, it's like, I think, A lot of people approach egg freezing as this like concession or like admitting that you didn't reach this point at the right time. And it's like, look around.

You know, Natasha, you saying at, you know, when you go to pick up that women are in their late 40s, early 50s for these kids that are in elementary school. It's like that is the new timeline. Yeah. I love that. Imagine picking up your kid and it's just a bunch of teenagers. They certainly have more energy. That's true. They've got the right games on their phone.

You're sharing them with their kids. Same games, actually. Hey, it's my turn for Roblox. Thank you guys so much for joining us on this episode of Tiger Sisters. And for our listeners or our viewers who want to learn more about you guys or where to find you, what are your socials and your handles? We're impossible to find. But if you scour the internet at Good Enough Pcast on Instagram, you can find us. We have new episodes every Wednesday.

We've had incredible guests. We're going to have you on soon. We've had Chelsea Perretti. Tick Natarro. Nick Kroll. Amazing guests. Yeah, my wife. Parenting experts and parents who fail.

And also we've started having people like you who don't have kids because we want to know what kind of parenting went into making stars like yourself. I would be so proud of either of my daughters. You guys seem really together. Thank you for saying that. If my daughter was like, I know, but they got their, they got their shit together. We got her no cards. I saw one of them plow into a pedestrian on the land. They'll do anything to get to the top.

We paid you not to say that, actually. Yeah, I don't ever see the check yet. Yeah, so every Wednesday we have new episodes. Natasha's got another podcast called... I have a podcast called The Endless Honeymoon Podcast with my husband, and you can find it all on my Instagram at Natasha Lichero. And at Sabrina Jalise is where I am, cutely. And I have a new TV show coming out, May 22nd on Netflix called Mating Season.

And then I play a horny pear-shaped fox. Cool. Check it out. Coming soon. From the makers of Big Meth. Yay. Bye. Bye, go to you guys.

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