TigerBelly - Ep 248: Simpletons Speaking

Episode Date: June 3, 2020

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You're listening ad-free on Wondery Plus. Hello! Welcome to another episode of Tiger Belly. I'm your captain, Bob. And we've got Kalyla, everyone in the room with this cast of characters. We've got Gilbert, George. We also have got little Rudy here. I apologize for my attitude earlier, Rudy. We weren't even going to do a podcast today because of what's going on on our planet, especially in this country. It's very volatile out there. It's polarizing. I'm a lighthearted, goofy, silly comedian who says outlandish things to get a response.

I don't have a college education, but what I do have is I look at the world around me. I absorb information like other people do. I see the George Floyd, the video. I look at it and I absorb it and I go, okay, that was so fucked up. That was right there, plain and simple, murder on camera. I also watch documentaries and I talk to my friends of all colors and I assess situations. I come to my own opinions about things. I have another podcast called Bad Friends. We released it. I get a lot of crazy comments about how wrong I am or uneducated Bobby Lee is.

There are parts of me that go, yeah, I am uneducated. I agree. I agree, but there are parts of me that go, no, I'm entitled to have my own opinion. Who made the rules that you have to be politically savvy in order to have feelings about a man being murdered? That doesn't require an education to see that that's wrong. If people are saying that you should be educated before speaking on that matter, then they're probably on the other side of the fence defending what we're fighting against. Or what we're sad about. That's concerning.

If someone says you need an education to have a heart, that's concerning. Yeah, and I'm sorry that a simpleton like me. We're all simpletons here. I apologize that a simpleton like me sees that video of George Floyd being murdered on camera. A simpleton like me looks at something like that and says, okay, let's suppose I was in the same situation, probably not George Floyd because he was a big dude. But let's suppose it was a black dwarf. I might be able to take one of those down, right?

And I had my neck on his knee and I was killing him while being taped, right? Would I get third degree murder? No. No. Gilbert, would I get third degree? Would I be arrested immediately? Yes. Okay, so a simpleton like me sees something like that and goes, oh, obviously that it's wrong.

Obviously getting fired is not enough because that was the initial response, right? Of them firing the four. Was it four or the two? I don't remember. It's total four, I believe. It's four, total four. They fired four, all right? And then people have the gall to go, why are people angry? The response that's going on in the country, right?

Isn't some random event, right? There's the root of it, right? The root of it is not something recent, right? The root of police brutality, the root of systemic racism, stems back all the way to the days of slavery. We've just rebranded slavery into multiple different things. So you went from slavery to mass incarceration to Jim Crow, back to mass incarceration and the prison industrial complex. That's just how it's always been.

It's permutated. It's just we've been able to call it something else when really at its root, it's still a form of slavery. Yeah. And also, here's another simpleton idea. That's my simpleton idea. Yeah. I have a simpleton idea. I have another simpleton idea.

This is our segment for the Dumb Dumbs. This is simpleton segment. Yeah. Simpleton segment, all right? Simpleton speaking. Speaking, yes. Right. We live through Tamir Rice, Trayvon Martin, Eric Gardner.

Philando Castillo. Yeah. Ahmaud Arbery, right? Ahmaud. We live through these events that happen, right? And as a simpleton, right? When George Floyd, we saw that video, something happened where we all went, that's it. The human soul can only take so much, the human mind, right?

Emotions. We're talking about emotions, right? As well. We can only take so much, right? It broke. Watching that video just went, and something broke inside us, right? And I'm sorry, okay? We're human beings.

And when we see that constantly, people, Ahmaud Arbery, two months, these white people are able to just live their lives. Nothing really happened, right? If it wasn't caught on camera, it would have just gone away, right? That's another element of all this stuff. And again, you know, goofy, fat Asian comedian here who doesn't know much, didn't have a college education, right? But I do see things, and you know, and I watch, I try to immerse myself in documentaries,

and you know, I am not your Negro, the James Baldwin documentary. I've seen that 10 times. And I attempt, I do attempt to learn and attempt to go through, what? Yeah, go ahead, finish your thought. And I do attempt to open up my mind and my horizons and to put myself in other people's shoes, right? And I'm also, as an Asian guy, I don't have the same experience as an African-American person.

And I think that's ultimately it. You know, what you said, even though all of those things are correct, you know, like immersing yourself, trying to educate yourself, take it one step further. I think the problem with a lot of people, including myself, and I can only speak on behalf of myself, I suppose, I'll tell you my experience is I gave myself pass after pass after pass, immigrant mom gave myself a pass, grew up in a third world country, gave myself a pass, went to a predominantly black high school, gave myself a pass, have a black best friend, gave myself a pass, dated black men, gave myself a pass.

I gave myself a pass and exempted myself from any type of introspection. And I gave myself a pass from possibly checking myself about all these little insidious, bad racist habits that I've picked up along the way. Like, I'm willing to wear the black hat. I think that all of us should be wearing a black hat. I think we should all be ashamed of ourselves. I think that we've been really defensive about, oh, I'm not racist, I'm not racist. Yeah, we fucking are.

Have we made mistakes on this podcast? So many when we call them mud Asians. So many when we make fun of Indians. So many when we call black people greasy. So many. All I'm saying is, look, all I'm saying is like, I can only speak for myself and I'm telling you guys right now, I'm sad, I'm confused. But most importantly, I'm just so ashamed of myself.

I'm ashamed that I've exempted my own loved ones from their own racism because I thought that they were inherently good people and that that should be enough. I'm ashamed that that they exempted me from my own bad behavior. Like, I'm ashamed of having friends I never checked from never reaching out in my own community and trying to like do little things. I'm ashamed that I've been quiet. I might as well. This is how I view myself.

I just might as well be that same person watching black people get lynched during Jim Crow. That's me. I've sat here quietly because I've been so afraid of having difficult discussions of, I'm scared of misspeaking, I'm scared of saying the wrong thing, I'm scared of criticism. But I think that I'm done with that. Like, I am absolutely a big ball of useless dust on the ground and I have completely ripped my own ideals apart. I don't like who I've become.

I don't like the friends that I've kept and I want to change. And I can't, I don't have the power to do much else than to fix my fucking heart. Like, I want to fix my heart. I don't want to continue to say it's justifiable to be racist just because for the sake of comedy, I don't want to be that person anymore. I think that by virtue of growing up Filipino racism is so deeply embedded into our comedy culture that after a long time it feels benign. It feels like something that's justifiable.

But it's not. It's not. And it just, it's a small seed that eventually turns into a rotten fruit. And I've gave myself, and I think that's ultimately it. Like, I'm ashamed that I've been so useless in all of this. And I, I just want to, I want to be better and I, I just don't really have much else to say because. That's the end of the episode.

Thanks for listening. Thanks for calling our leader. But, but, but also like, it's, you know, there's this like Ilani Steve's girlfriend. She's very bright. You know, she's Filipino and we've been like talking about it. And, you know, we've been going back and forth about it. And she said, she sent me this quote and I don't know who wrote it, but it said, basically a child who is not embraced by its village will burn it down to feel its warmth.

You know, and as I don't condone, obviously the destruction of small businesses, I don't condone any of that. There's like, there's so much heartache on that end as well. Like my, my brother-in-law is out there in a skirmish line. He's on his fifth day of 16 hour shifts. He's injured. He's out there, but I can hold two truths in my heart at once. And those two truths are that the world can burn, that the world needs to burn a little

bit to learn, but also that my brother-in-law is a good man. He's a great guy. And I don't have a problem with him home safely cops. I don't have a problem with cops. You know, I have a problem with bad cops. That's the thing. It's like, you know, I, I, I, people comment like, well, police officers are, you know, they're protected of us from society.

And you know, it's like, I know that, right? But you know what? There are bad cops out there. That's who I have the problem with. I'm not, I have to say this and this is going to be a very sensitive issue is as a comic, you know, I, I struggle with, um, where the line is in terms of race, because, you know, you know, a lot of my act has racism, not racism in it, but has race in them. You don't have a racist.

You don't have a racist. Yeah. Has race in them. In it. Yeah. I talk about race, right? When I'm around, you know, you know, like when I walk into a room, right? And my, one of my right white comedian friends goes when I walk into a room, right?

I'm even laughing at it. Right. Right. And I always laugh, right? And then like, you know, I was playing, um, war zone with Eric Griffin maybe a week ago, right? What's up? And what's that war zone?

And, um, you know, I was Eric goes, Hey, don't go inside that dark tunnel. I go, you mean your mom's vagina? Right? Yeah. You know, when you make jokes like that, I know, all vaginas are dark tunnels. Right. But then I think mine is like lit or anything. I know.

Kalalos has Christmas lights. It's crazy. Yeah. So, you know, amongst my comedian friends, there's always going to be, you know, a tint of race involved in our comedy. And I enjoy it. I do. I enjoy, um, getting kind of ripped apart a little bit when it comes to the way I look,

you know, I love self-deprecation humor. Right. I do. Um, look at my first 10 minutes of comedy. You know what I mean? My opening act is, I talk about my body and how big my head is or, or whatnot, you know, opposite of therapy. Yeah.

It's the opposite of therapy. You know, um, so, you know, where is the line as a comedian? I don't know right now, right? But I am still very sensitive to the fact that for 400 years, a group of people in this country has had an American experience that I'm not really fully aware of because I don't walk in their shoes. And you know what? It's something that we, you and I will never in our lifetimes, 10 times over, ever fucking

understand. Yeah. We just will not understand. We'll never understand it. Even, even for someone like me. But we want to, but we want to know, but, but even if we, we, we educate ourselves, even if we are the most informed people with the most informed debates about race and, and black pain, we just will not know even an iota of the pain that they feel.

Yeah. It's impossible for us. So it's like, it's like when astronauts, when astronauts talk about, don't give me those eyes. I'm just ready for it. I don't know when astronauts talk about their experience walking on the moon or what it's like to be, be floating in space. And they can describe in every detail, right?

What that's like. And we can kind of get there, right? But we'll never exactly know what it feels like. Well, now you can. Cause SpaceX launched the rocket and now that's, I know, I know, like even that's more plausible than having. Yeah, that's, um, but you understand my, my analogy there. No, I get it.

Yeah. Thank you, Gilbert. Yes. We're zone forever. You and I. Yeah. But not to say that, you know, not to say that, um, like the reason I'm so like just confused and I just don't know even like what words are correct or I tried to, we, we were

going to scrap this podcast altogether and say, fuck it, we don't have an episode cause, um, there's, we're not going to say anything correct. Um, you know, um, there is a selfish part of me that, you know, I want, I want my brother in law home safely. You know, he isn't just my brother in law. He's somebody like, I don't think any, I've ever talked about how close I am with him. I hang out with him without my sister. Him and I go to the gym together.

Him and I, he's one of my best friends, you know, that guy. And he's the, the quietest and here's one thing I'll say about Renzo and maybe I'll get in trouble for this and maybe we'll have to take this part out, but Renzo has been treated like a social pariah, even in his own division. And that is inherently in and of itself a problem. The fact that they know that he's socially liberal, that he supports the black, black lives matter movement makes him sort of a pariah at work. They say things to him like, I cannot believe you live with a woman like that when they

see pictures of my sister at the women's march. He gets, he gets snide remarks like that on a daily. You know, he works with people who are outwardly racist and who support Trump to the very end. So these people that are marching and that are angry, they're not wrong and he'll tell you they're not wrong. You know, but what pisses me off as the other side yesterday, he had a model influencer on Instagram stand in front of him and then tell her friend, Hey, can you make sure that the, that you take a video of this and the person turned on the video, her friend turned,

turned on the video just so she can spit at Renzo's face. Fuck that. Fuck that. That's the other side where I'm just like, please don't tell me stuff like that. It's going to give me some sort of aneurysm. It's going to give me some sort of aneurysm. That's the world we live in. The right and the left.

Everyone's fucking wrong. Everyone is wrong. We need to fucking, it needs to crumble down. We need to burn to fucking learn, man, because everything that we are is just so fucking rotten, including myself, including you, including everyone in this fucking room. Like we have turned into something so vile that I'm ashamed to even fucking breathe a lung full of air because I don't feel like I fucking deserve it. Yeah.

And I think I'm at a point too where why do I, I don't say certain things and I don't express myself in a certain way because obviously this country is very polarized and I don't like, I don't like debating with people online, right? I don't like crazy comments toward me when they don't know exactly who really I am. You know, they know the Bobby Lee entertainment version of me, but you don't really know exactly who I am and how I feel and how I behave day to day, right? And I think there is now a push for me to express myself in, in certain ways, even politically, you know, I mean, I look at someone like Michael Rappaport and there is a freedom.

I love Michael, by the way. You guys know him. He's a good dude, really nice guy, very funny, great actor, but Rappaport goes on these tangents, right? And you can say, you can see he's getting it out there. And he, quite frankly, it seems like he doesn't really care what people's response is to his rants and whatnot, right? And there's a part of me that's very envious of him.

Why don't I do that, right? And just because I guess I'm afraid of, I want people to like me. And that's been my problem too. Yeah, I want people to like me. I want the right to like me. I want the left to like me. But obviously, you know where I stand. That's, that's, that's, I, you know, and I've talked to Gilbert and George about this, like,

I've cast myself on my own island in the last couple of weeks, like, I'm not, fuck the right, fuck the left, because I'm telling you right now, insider info, if you do sit on the right side, listen to this, I know many people on the left who are racist assholes. It's just the same, just the same, it's just the fucking same. This needs to fucking change this. Listen up, Santino. There are just because, you know, my, my, my, Andrew Santino, that's who we're talking about.

Andrew Santino, listen up. I really like, by the way, I, speaking of which, I just, Santino was, I was, I know I lied to you. The person I was in the phone with was Santino because Santino was acting like a bitch upstairs. Let me talk to your girlfriend because I had called Santino about some of the comments I was getting on the bad friends feed, right? Bobby's dumb. He's uneducated.

All this and this and this and this and this and this and this, yeah. You're right. You know what though? Here's what I think about this. You're absolutely right. I am feeding myself to the wolves. I am willing to take any form of criticism, whatever fucking verbal beating you want to give at me, I will read it all and I will learn from it as best as I can.

I am just a useless ball of dust on the ground. Like I said, I'm willing to start from scratch and, and, and reshape my heart and reshape my head. I don't think anything that I've done thus far in my life has been of any help to anyone and I'm willing to start from scratch. So if that means I'm, if that means people shitting on what I have to say or, or, or from whatever side left, right and center, fuck it. Like I'm willing to take it all cause I'm, I'm finally ready to have those difficult

conversations that I wasn't willing before cause I was too scared to not be liked. I don't care to be liked anymore. I just want to, I just want to move and I want to be of service to, to, to all of this. And I have something profound to say as well. I'm going to learn, I want to learn what words actually mean. Hear me out. All right. So I think that I wasn't paying attention in school, but like even a word like, great,

I don't know what it means. Do you, if I had to define it, I don't know if I could actually say the sentence, right? Because we have over a hundred thousand people dead from this virus, right? The cities are burning, okay? We almost have depression level, a depression level economy. But America is great from our president. What does great mean? Is it great now?

Cause if it's great now, I don't know what the fucking word means. You were better off. Let me ask you, I'm asking you Gilbert. Do you think we're better off from what I saw this past weekend? Not too sure about that word. Yeah, I'm going to have to go back to school and learn these words again because I don't know what they mean. My stepdad's going to be really mad at me that I said this out loud, but it ain't going,

it's not going to be great with Biden either. It's not. It's like. Oh yeah. That's another thing that depresses the fuck out of me is that he doesn't even know what planet he's on. Yeah, he does. He says that black people should vote for him.

Yeah, I know. But there is, have you looked at his eyes? There's something going on that's missing. So now we're in a situation where we don't know who to fucking pick. Yeah. Right? Unfortunately in our system that we have to pick between two people. That's what Kala was saying.

We need an eight party system. Yeah, if not more. And also like of all the people that is all the people that is actually culpable for the prison industrial complex. It's a fucking Clintons. Bill Clinton put that into effect, the three strikes you're out. It's a democratic party. I mean, granted, it was already on its way there, but he put the fucking final nail in

that coffin. It's like a golf ball right by the hole. He's got to tap it in. You know, I want to live in in the world where the Star Trek universe lives in Taiwan. What is the political? Wait, what is the political? So in the Star Trek universe, where's the political landscape is there's no such thing as money, right?

What is currency? There is no currency. It's it's everyone's. Everyone has as woke, right? And their whole, what's so funny? No, I'm listening to all the episodes. I'm like, is there really no currency? No, there's no financial, like, yeah, well, you have these.

You know, replicators or whatever. You can just, oh, I guess it's not real. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you can get a steak by using these replicators.

So I want, you know, Morton steak, you know, medium rare, T bone, and it comes out. You know what I mean? And I want some Romulan air, ale, Romulan ale, right? It's illegal, by the way, but they live, they live to, to learn, to explore, right? And to grow, you know, spiritually, emotionally and all that kind of stuff, right? And so they're, that unites the planet, right? And space exploration is their, is their thing, obviously that's what the show is about. Foundation of how we live our lives in America, right?

Cannot be religion. It cannot, it used to be religion. That used to be our God, right? Now it's capitalism, right? It has to be to, more internal, right? About growing, learning, helping others, right? You know, you look at any, you know, the happiest person on the world, right? Is the person that is giving back, right?

That's the whole premise of 12 step groups is to, you know, help another alcoholic is what they say, you know? And for some reason, when you call a newcomer in a meeting, right, and ask him, you know, there's a, there's a, I'm not gonna say his name, but there's a comedian who, he's new at Inseriety, right? He has, I think three or four months now, and he had a 90 day chip. And because of the pandemic, he can't go to a meeting and get one, right? So our friends told a bunch of guys to meet this kid at a park, you know, and to give

him a chip. So all these men that don't even know this kid, right, left, went from all over LA, went to this park and put a chip on a bench, right? And then this kid went and, you know, sterilized everything and grabbed the chips, and it meant so much to him, right? That little act, right? I'm sorry, but that has to be, that kind of gesture has to be the foundation in which we live in this country.

Also these small businesses, right, is so fucking sad, right? They have nothing to do with anything, my friend. These are people that, especially from the pandemic, right, are barely surviving, especially these stores on Melrose and LA and Fairfax, right? These small little mom and pop stores that are being, right, that are being looted, right? Now they're going under forever. It's terrible, right? So the looting, you know, if you're going to loot, if you're that kind of person, you're

going to do what you're going to do, right? I like the girl who came out with a whole cheesecake, like she's the only one that I could get on board with, like that's the only looting I was like. Walked out so calmly, too. She was like, you know what, I'm happy with this. I'm going to take a whole cheesecake, this is 3,000 calories. Oh, here's another person that I just, and I know this has been out for a week, but I just discovered this woman, Amy Cooper.

She's the best. What a wonderful woman, huh? What a great lady. What a Andrew Santino, huh? What is this? Same kind of person. You got to tell me who Amy Cooper is. You know who Amy Cooper is?

I don't think you do, Gilbert. Who's Amy Cooper? You know, it's a lady walking around in a bird watching area and then calling the cops, you know. Oh, that one. Okay. I didn't know the name. What's the guy's name?

I forgot his name. Christian Q. Cooper. They have the same last name. Is it really the same? Are they married? I don't know. My wife is calling the cops on me. It's a media stunt.

It's a media stunt. It's so fucking funny. Do you know what's crazy about that? I heard some other opposition to it from women. It's so weird how all these different groups eat each other where it was like, like some feminist groups were saying like, you don't know that like I've been followed by someone and I feel like I was going to get raped and I have been raped. And I was like, oh my God, like the video is not that at all.

He had binoculars and a scarf. It's her fucking rhetoric. Right? Exactly. Exactly. She obviously is not violent or being aggressive in any kind of way. And her fucking phone call is an African-American is being very aggressive toward me. No, no, no.

She said, I'm here at the park and there's an African-American man who's, I feel threatened. He's screaming at me. Yeah, yeah. That's Amy Cooper. And he's like, I just told her to put a loose on her dog. Yeah. And he's birdwatching. A black man birdwatching.

Come on. That's George. That's George Campbell, basically. But that rhetoric, right? No. Cut to. Wait, isn't he a gay man? Gay man.

Probably. Cut to. Right? Cut to the clerk. Right? Okay. So what? What?

What? Now follow that through. Okay. Let's see the cops. They take it seriously. Yeah. A black man, right, is being threatening to a white lady, right? They show up.

Now, granted, Christian Cooper is taping this whole event, right? But we know from the past that sometimes they don't ask questions. They react. The cops react, right? So what ends up? They tackle, you know, this poor Christian Cooper, birdwatcher, Harvard grad, right? Put their knee on his neck. He dies, right?

That kind of rhetoric, that's not even, it's not even real. He lies on fucking the phone call. Imagine it happened, that shit happens all the fucking time. You know it does. Exaggerations, right? It's a black man. He's threatening me. Meanwhile, a guy's just jogging, right?

And then the response is that, so that lady, Amy Cooper, she's like, oh, I lost my job. Oh my God. I'm not a racist. Bitch, you fucked up, right? Right. She lost her dog, too, because she was choking the shit out of it. She lost her dog. Put at least your dog next time, you know?

Um, okay. Comedy. Okay, so I know. We're doing comedy here. Most of the things that we're saying are talking about Amy Cooper, like white people, obviously, right? But I think that we should keep it real for once, not get defensive. And we should really talk about how there's a lot of racism in the Asian community.

And I... What? I don't believe it. We're angels. I think that we should... Gilbert, you know, it's a lot of, look, the Filipino story is very complex. We were colonialized for over 300 years. We've been made to believe that this color of our skin was always less than.

We created this culture of self-loathing, where we always praised white fair skin, right? Like that's something that has been pushed into our heads for generations and generations and generations. And I'm not speaking for the Filipinos that are born and raised here, because a lot of them are actually, like, very active in, like, community work and activism and all of that. I'm speaking for a lot of the kids that I grew up with in the Philippines that now live here, that I cannot seem to get through. They do not want to take a look at themselves in the mirror.

They do not want... They're very defensive to be called out on their racism. How do you and me, as Filipinos, check our own community? Because there is a lot of fucking racism towards each other, towards other races, and it gets swept under the rug, and we make it seem like we're not a culprit in all of this, but we are. Yeah. It's interesting.

Yeah, like, I don't think you can get to those... I'd be curious to ask you how those conversations go, actually, but, like, I don't think they could understand the racism they do outward to other people until, like, what you touched on is the inward racism within the culture, because, like, you were talking about, like, the whole skin-lining thing, like, already that is already, like, if you can't fix that core, you're probably not going to get to the next steps of other things of outward, you know, support, because, like, that's a mindset change within. If you already think you're a terrible person because you're a skin color or you're less

than because you're too brown or too dark, there's not much you can do past that until you figure that. Yeah. What Bobby was saying inward, like, that inward change, or what you were saying, the heart change about even how you view yourself, that's, like, almost ingrained into your DNA at that point. Yeah, like, I think that sometimes we feel already because, like, oh, we're immigrants or whatever, we've been colonialized that, you know, we understand, you know, the black

man's strife. The plight, yeah. But it's different, there's some similarities, but it still is very different and it doesn't mean that we cannot be racist towards black people. It does not excuse or exempt us from our own fucking prejudices, do you know what I mean? And so, like, my thing is, like, I don't know how to reach across or to, like, be of any help in that regard because it seems like, I don't know, like, I want to hear what they have to say.

Like, I do want to understand it, you know, from the depths of their heart, but it's very resistant. I think a lot of it is just being defensive because they feel like, oh, I also have struggled and I think what is, they're not understanding is, no, you still, your struggle still has value. We're not saying it does not exist. Yeah. It's just, right now, let this be heard first and understand this type of struggle.

We're not trying to say your struggle doesn't matter, but like, I think David actually so put a thing out where it's like some people are just tone deaf. We're not trying to say your shit doesn't matter, it's just there's something else that matters right now. We can get to your thing, let this shit happen first. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's absolutely right.

They just don't want to be devalued. They just don't want to be devalued. That's what it is. But I think that doing a lot of introspection is not devaluing yourself. It's not. And that's absolutely valuing who you are as a person. It's taking the time to say, hey, you know what? These parts of me are no longer serving me in any way, shape, or form.

Community. Let's throw those parts away and let's do some internal fucking fixing and overhaul. You know? Hey, Asians. What do you think? I'll say Asians. I know, obviously, family have a lot of Asians and older generations feel about therapy and you guys have talked about therapy, how it's so basic, life, transformation, and changing.

I think it's just people are afraid to see themselves and their flaws, especially Asians because we're set to have this image or, I guess, model minority and all this other shit. It's like you just have to, I encourage everyone, especially Asian families and individuals to get therapy and really check yourself because you just have to strip everything down. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And I see that a lot too. Obviously, I can't speak for you, Bobby, but you know, I have noticed that the Korean community has a lot of issues with racism towards black people. And I was talking to my best friend, Jessica, about it and she was like, yeah, fuck yeah, absolutely. And she was like, even, she's got that seeped into her brain. She's like, my grandma wouldn't even shake a black man's hand.

She came from Korea, had never seen a black man thought that she was just afraid to be around them altogether. And you know, that's the unlearning we need to do. We need to unlearn the ignorant shit that's been passed on through our generations. And it's, we need to stop excusing it. We need to finally see it for what it is and it's insidious. It's there and it turns into something else. What do you think, Bobby?

Think on behalf of your Korean and every Korean celebrity will see this. So choose your words. When I was, um, I was probably 12, 11, I went golfing with my dad once. I didn't golf. I just watched him. Yeah, I was in the little caddy and these two black gentlemen were golfing ahead of my father. I don't know what happened, but it got to the point where my deck said, I think it's

the N word in Korean and he grabbed his golf club and he started swinging at these two guys. Right. And I remember being in the golf cart going, what dad, what are you doing? You know what I mean? He's acting crazy. You know, and I just remember it being, um, embarrassed. I was embarrassed for my father.

And I remember being, um, just looking on the ground going, what the fuck? This is my dad, you know, it's, it's simple things like, you know, my dad saying, if you ever marry a Vietnamese woman, I'm not, you're not going to be my son or he would say stuff like, um, you know, all this rhetoric. If you're gay, you know, you're not going to be my son, you know? And as a, as a kid, I never, I was always on the opposing point of view of his good. That doesn't make any sense. But it doesn't mean you, it doesn't seep into us a little bit and that we pick up like

habits along the way. I know, I understand that I'm, listen, as I talk, I'm being very mindful in trying to, um, look back as well, that's why I'm talking slow and that's why my eyes closed thinking. All right. Okay. About, you know, what I can do, yes, you're right. I've been insensitive before, um, you're right.

I see, um, I, you, if you think that I'm on the side of Koreans when they say back in the day when they were going, you touch you by, you know, I mean, and treating African Americans the way they did, especially walking to the liquor stores, you know what I mean? And all those like stereotypical things that black people would say, because when I came to LA, I, um, you know, I was around, you know, there was no Asian comedian or a scene, right? When I came around LA in the nineties, um, you know, black dudes were the hot ticket. You know, I, I used to be in the award to see Paul Mooney, Chris Tucker, Chris Rock,

all these guys. And I've always wanted to be, I've always wanted them to like me. I've always been saying hi to them and trying, trying to, you know, um, and then when the rights and all that stuff after that, um, I was never on the side of the Koreans. I've, I've always been kind of shameful of it, you know, but do I say racist things? Yes, I have, not, I don't believe those things that I say. I do it in, in, in, in, within the frame of a joke or to get a response or to get a laugh. But is it insensitive?

Yes. Am I going to change? Yes. I am. Um, but I think that, that, that, that's, that's all we can really, you know, you know, do. And I think that if everyone were to just put their defenses down and say, Hey, you know what, I'm a big sack of shit, uh, instead of trying to defend all their morality and

say, Oh, we, but I've done so good. I've lived with black people. I have black friends. I have to say though, but instead of saying all that, just, just admit that we're all, we're all, we've all done and said really fucked up things that have not been positive or have not served this cause at all. But I do have to say though, like when I was in Israel and we went to the Holocaust museum, right?

And we're looking at all the shoes, you know, they have this memorial there where, where they have the literal shoes, you know what I mean? That were gathered from Auschwitz and some of these, um, these, these camps and, um, you know, you're, you're bawling your eyes out, right? And then you're reading all the descriptions and all the people that died and you read all the, the history of it. And you literally, when you're in the Holocaust museum in Israel, you, you really, you know, want to absorb it and to see if, you know, you can, um, I mean, I, I, I, you couldn't

be, I couldn't be more empathetic, you know, I don't know what it's like. I was not there. I, you know, I, I, you know, I don't, I'm not Jewish, right? But that's the thing that I want to cling on to is that I, I am still willing to learn and to try to absorb, you know, and to change and have that. I know that about myself. You know, when I'm, you know, when I'm, um, when I was on drugs all those years and I get sober right away, that's a part of me stopping, reflecting and going, I don't want

to behave like this. I want to be a better person. You know, I want to, um, I want to see if I can be better as a human being. So I know that about myself. I'm not perfect and I could have done things differently, but you know, there are people in the world that are refused to learn. They refuse to walk in other people's shoes or to absorb, right? And I'm not one of those people, right?

I'm not defending myself, right? But I am saying that, you know, I know this about myself that I, I, I'm always on the side of the underdog and you are too. Yeah, but you are too. I don't feel like it's the time to tell you all the good parts about me. I'm not, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that all I'm saying, of course we have empathy. Of course we're, we've done a bunch of, a bunch of course correction in our life.

Like of course there are parts of us that are generous and loving. Like that's not, but it's, I just don't think it's the time to really tell you. I'm not, I'm not defending myself either. I'm just, I'm just thinking out loud. Okay. Yeah. I'm thinking out loud and I'm trying to get to a place. All right.

But yes, at the same time, yes, I could have done better. Right. I'm on the verge of flogging myself. I know she is. Don't do that. I am, but we are emitting, we are, we are emitting our, our, our, our frailties and our character defects and, and things that we could have done better. Okay.

And I will do better, but also I don't also want to go down the road of that we're evil people and we're bad people because my parents, you know, they said all kinds of racist fucking shit. Right. And again, you know, I didn't, I didn't walk in their shoes either. I don't know what they're, my grandparents were like. I don't know what it was like being a kid, seeing dead bodies all over the fucking place during the Korean war, the kind of trauma that they felt.

Right. It's, it's, you know, we, but you know what? I have to say that a little bit, we are getting better even as a country, a little bit. Wait, but didn't your dad vote for Obama? He did. Oh, you made him stole the ballot, ballot fraud, voting. Yeah. I made my parents, they weren't going to vote.

I made them vote, you know, you know, that's what I'm saying though, like I have family members that are very like staunchly, like liberal, right? But who wouldn't even, who still say things like, are you sure you want to live in this neighborhood that's purely black and Latino? It's not going to hold its value. Like that. Like I have family members talk like that. Yeah.

Cause they're white. Oh, that's I've got it. And I'm like, I'm like, wait, how are you, but it didn't, and that's what I'm saying. It like, it doesn't surprise me. It's not even like a political argument anymore. Like this shit is everywhere, no matter what end of the spectrum you're on. Like, you know, fucking racism is, that shit is deep in a lot of people. I'm going to say something that you might have to cut out.

No, we're not going to, no, no, I believe in you, but I believe in you. This is something that I feel and I'm just going to say it and then probably cut it out. But there is a part of me, you know, the abortion movement, right? When men have their strong opinions about abortion, there is a part of me that I do believe this, that it has nothing to do with you. What do you, you're creating laws, you know what I mean? That have to do with a woman's body. You're not a woman, dude.

Shut the fuck up. There literally is a part of me that thinks that. No, wait, I hope that's all the part of you that thinks that. What is the other part? What is the other part? No, but I feel the same way about when white people have opinions about, you know what I mean, the black experience. Oh, I see what you're saying.

Yeah, you should have led with that, babe. The protests are going on as we speak. We're in a pandemic. We, you know, we've been, you know, we've been locked in this house, you know, especially Kalyla and I've been very, you know, we've been following the rules and we haven't left and we don't want to get sick and we want, we don't want to get other people sick. So we've, we've really not left the house, you know, aside from taking the doc to the vet, but we don't go to, you know, restaurants.

We don't do, we don't go, we don't go out. And I, you know, I've had, I've been invited to, you know, people's houses for dinner. I haven't done that. And so, you know, you're talking about a group of people, little Asian people, simpletons in a house that's been quarantined. And then now, you know, five minutes from where we live right now, things are on fire. And you know, to me, it doesn't, our country doesn't seem like we're in a good place. And I think that we need more, you know, we should do a episode where there's more reflection.

But now that we're in it, right, you know, there's a lot of emotions going on. There's a lot of feelings. I don't know where my emotions are derived from mostly is from the murder of George Floyd. But there are probably our aspects of me being quarantined for this long and also being unsure about my own personal welfare, right? So there's all these things that are mixed in with it. I'm lashing out with rage, you know, toward people that I love. I love you, George.

I really do. I love, look at me. Where is he? Yes. I love you. You know what I mean? You're a good dude. You have a good heart.

And you've worked very hard in this company. And I really appreciate it. You wouldn't be, we wouldn't be where we're at without you. God, that's so difficult to say. So difficult. And Gilbert, I also appreciate you. I don't know exactly what you do for the company. But you're really good at war zone.

I say yes. Very good at war zone. Everything you say. You're a good friend of us. You sent us food the other day. Really appreciate it. Shout out to the top. But, you know, you know, everyone in this country has their own point of view, have their

own life experiences. We're all very sensitive. There's, you know, I just feel like this is, we're at a boiling point. We're at a point where obviously this moment in time is going to be talked about, I think, in the history books. Oh, for sure. Yeah. But that's exactly like where I feel the most guilt, right?

Is that, you know, when we look at the old pictures of people getting lynched in like Jim Crow and stuff and like just the bystanders or people watching, and we always say, I would have said something, I would have not been that person, but we are, you know, we have been those people. Okay. Okay. But don't get defensive. I'm saying I'm part of that.

I'm not being defensive about it. You know, I don't know, aside from expressing my point of view, you know, what to do really. If you want me to donate money to, you know, you know, a group, I will, you don't know that you've donated money. Oh yeah, we have donated money, but I know she has. You know, at this point, aside from expressing my point of view and doing what I can personally in my own life, you know, I really, you know, there are parts of me that feel powerless over it, you know.

But that's the, that's the one thing that I've had a lot of time to sit with. It's like part of my feeling powerless. I don't want to believe that. I do want to believe that even a little introspection goes a long way. And if everyone were to start there and then maybe work their way out, start with yourself and then start with your, then move on to your spouse and to your friends and to your loved ones and then out into your community. That's a place to start.

And it might feel small, but there is power there. Anyway. I don't know what else to say. And I think I'm done. Wait, hang on. Talk about your yoga experience. Oh, I want to talk about other things. I'll talk about the yoga.

Did you do the yoga with her friend? Twice. Oh my God. Twice. My legs are bleeding the next day. I know. My shoulders and my back and my stomach and my legs. You know, well, I don't know about that, but I can't fuck myself.

I don't know. Hey, George did it too. Yeah, but you guys did the intermediate. I did the beginning class. Did I do intermediate? Yeah. That was an intermediate class. Yeah.

Well, you thought that was expert level? Yeah. No, that's intermediate. Dude. I know. But I've done it twice. I did it yesterday and I did it three or four days before that. Yoga for me is, um, I've never done it.

I've always mocked it. I used to like walk by and just stare in a yoga studio and smile and go, that's not exercise. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. What are you guys? What are you guys sleeping?

Yeah. You guys sleeping in there? You know, I literally didn't know much about it. And I remember I had a friend named Mike who, um, he was probably one of the most negative people I've ever met in my life. I always thought this guy was a piece of shit. And I didn't see him for a couple of years. And then when I saw him, he looked completely different.

He was very friendly at peace with himself. And I go, what the fuck did you do? You went to the forum or where'd you go? You know, and he goes, um, yoga changed my life and I didn't really know what he was talking about. And then the last two, I've only done two, but you know, there is something to it. I don't know exactly what it is, but number one, I, my body, I feel, especially after a couple of days of doing it, right?

I feel looser. I feel more at calm and at peace and, um, even with what's going on in the world. And, um, I told Kaleila, this is something that I want to do for the rest of my life. I really do. I love it. It's also very difficult and it wears the fuck out of you and it's, you know, we have it on video. You know, first of all, I farted in her face in yoga and she hit me from behind.

It's like I purposely farted in your fucking face. That's not a mistake, Claude. That's not a mistake. Listen, can I show it? Can I tell you what position I was in? I was about to do a tripod headstand. So I was upside down, right? Bobby was in front of me, so he's, he's doing this with his head down too.

His asshole was right in, like right in my face and as, but then I didn't really have a lot of control cause my head was down and I was about to do the shoulder or the tripod headstand. Yeah. And I just ate a giant cloud of his fart and I almost toppled over. Yep. So bad. Yoga baby.

But shout out to Kara. Yeah. I love her. What a great lady. She, her handle on Instagram is Kara with a K, Kara Ocean. And if you ask her for the zoom links, maybe we can do yoga together. And on the bright side, watch Game On on CVS, it's, it's, you know. I saw the first one.

It was fun. It's a fun show. I've, I've, I've talked to comics. My audio was kind of weird. I've talked to, I've talked to comics. What do you mean? I've had, I've talked to comments. Oh, you mean jealous comics that didn't have the same opportunity?

No, no, no. Comments going, it's not for me and all that kind of stuff, but, um, cool. You know, it is what it is. Um, there is a feeling of like, you know, the world is burning to the ground. And then like, if you first of all, I did this show seven months ago, then Bobby as a goalie. Right? I don't want people to think that I'm shooting this now and I'm like running around, you

know what I mean? This was shot during the protest on Saturday. Climbing a slimy wall. Well, it makes you feel better. JR Smith was on the first episode and then yesterday, yeah, he was on the first episode and then yesterday he had that video of him being this out of that white, yeah, that dude. So watch that. 8 p.m. CBS, um, I'm a corporate whore and, um, yum, yum, yum, yum, choco, choco.

And then, um, thanks for listening to another episode. I can't do it. I'm done. Yeah. We don't have to. We're good. We're good. I'm literally done.

We don't have to. George, can we keep it short this week? Of course we can. We're great. I'm literally done. We're just, you know, I got everything out that I want to get out. There's nothing funny to say. I don't want to come up with other fucking bits.

No, this is good. I think I'm done. I'm done. Don't be mad at me. Why would I be mad at you? I just want to say, if you haven't seen it yet, anyone listening, check out Killer Mike's speech. Oh yeah.

I am also the mayor of Atlanta, my hometown, like that is kind of how I feel about all of it. I have this lighter thing to say is, is that, you know, I know a lot of people are hurt that I haven't played warzone with them because I get thousands of, uh, friend requests on PlayStation and people messaging me, how come you won't play with me? And I can feel some people are getting their butt hurt. You know, I am playing with fans. Yeah.

I am, but I can't play with all of them too many. Right. So I'm just, you know, I just, I play with this kid, Raimi. I play, I started playing with this guy named Jake and his wife, um, what's her name? Claire Claire. Claire. I play with lift. God.

So I've been playing with fans. Um, I'm slowly doing it. If I'm not getting to you right away, um, I'm sorry. I just, you know, you know, you play one game with somebody and they're like, let's do another one. You play another one. I know, I know. Oh, where's my feet?

Oh, sorry. Yeah. But, um, thank you for listening to another, thank you for listening to another episode of tiger belly. God bless you. And, uh, stay safe out there. I love you guys so much. Good night.

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