TigerBelly - Ep 318: Matt Walsh & The Pecking Order

Episode Date: October 13, 2021

Bobby forgets to use oven mitts. Matt learns about chicken culture. Khalyla's comfort food is pig knuckle stew. We talk pickleball, Jon Gruden's emails, the perfect PB&J ratio, and Matt's sourdough odyssey. TigerBelly Digital Collectibles Please support our sponsors.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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To everything Turn turn turn to all the seasons It's my favorite Vietnam War kind of song like I can Visualize me in the shrubs. You know I mean, yeah, but on the other side not on the American side Oh, gotcha, but with that song. Maybe there's an Asian version of that song. How would that go to everybody thing? Don't write and I'm going you know get on the Ho Chi, you know, right? Ho Chi. Yeah. Yeah, but it is right Ho Chi Ho Chi, you know me. Yeah, well, Ho Chi man was an actual guy, right? But he was old so he's probably not there Anyway, the song would be my anyway the song would be in my head

the song would be in my head and I just have these Fantasies about it, but um, you know, I am an American through and through and that's um blast me what I just said Okay, and it is I'm an American through that's the lesson. It's the lesson is that and But in my fantasy we did win the war The Vietnamese the Vietnamese did right didn't they win it? I don't know. I saw the Ken Burns documentary Years ago. I thought they won but anyway, um, it was a good war. Yeah, you mean it was wasn't boring It was important. No, there was a lot of good things, but let's move on. Yeah, some of the photographs were insane crazy, right? One of the girl with the

You know that girl wasn't yeah, I'm sorry my bad John John. He's high right now John. That wasn't that Yeah, and then there was just what can I just do one more photograph? Well, let me do what Esther does the views expressed Yeah, yeah, there was one fucked up one where you remember that one. So anyway, let's move on John. I know you're high so um Welcome to another episode of Tiger Belly. Um I've got a guy on today. Well, let's introduce everyone in the room one before we even get to our guests. That'd be nice, right? We've got um Gilbert right. Yeah. Yeah, good friend old friend. You've been a part of this podcast for how long

Since the beginning before George before George. So you were one of the OGs us three. Yeah So thank you so much for showing up every week and doing your thing. We've got this fucking high Ching chong over here. This is high Ching chong. Yeah, welcome back, dude. Where were you? I was uh, you know at home raising kids That's a good excuse. That's a really good excuse. You weren't in Michigan. I was in Michigan a couple months ago shooting a doc You document or that's right. Okay. We've got George. You know what I mean? Welcome back. You're the boss. He didn't go anywhere I know he's been here. All right Sorry, I just had a soluble. It's in my lungs. Oh Yeah, that's called that's called acid free free

Aspiration and now you're gonna have aspiration them. Anyway, we got sorry, babe We've got Kalilah my girlfriend and second in command So I'm going to tell you some stories about this next guy. This next guy Sorry So, um, you know, obviously I knew this guy's name But like I wouldn't like I when I was on a show called animal practice He did some of the table reads, right? And I think problem traveling. We did that and then Um, so he would be at network table reads. I would see him there. I did a movie called

I had won two lines in a movie called Um keeping up with the Joneses and he had a big part in that. I saw him in I forgot in Atlanta or Georgia somewhere, right? um, he's also on the tv program Veep And he's been nominated for an Emmy. I think this is the First person we've ever even been on this program that's been nominated for an Emmy Who? Eric Stone Street

One From modern family That's right But he's the second just tell me he's the second. Thank you. He's the second, right? But But most importantly Everything's important. Yeah, he also is one of the co-founder founders of use upright citizens per brigade, right? Which is What's so funny, john? Because I said it wrong I'll do it. Can I say it again then? He was one of the founders of

Upright citizens brigade ucb is what we yeah, that's what it is. Okay, and with um those guys Give him a round of applause matt walsh everybody All right, I was instructed to hang back. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for having me. That was a pretty good intro Thank you, man. I feel like also you've done my podcast. I think I had a podcast where we would bring people on to do bits in the sports world called bear down or No, I did a leisure. No, it was one where I had to improvise a character. Is that what that is? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, you probably had no idea scott armstrong asked you to do it. Maybe yeah Yes, and I showed up. Well, of course if scottie and you are going to be involved. I'm going to do it

I felt like I was being I was drowning on it though. Did I drown on it? No, you were good. Thank you You were good. That's all I wanted to hear. Yeah Because it's that's it right there. Wow good recent. Hey, that's good research man. Thank you so much matt walsh Yeah, yeah, can we curse on this show? Yeah, yeah, you can you can say whatever you fucking good Fuck yeah, this guy's fucking good. Yeah. Well, so um scottie was a guy Because there was a time in my career where I had gotten nothing Right and scott though every other couple years is a guy that would always hire me

He was like one of those guys. So I just love that guy a lot. Give him a round of applause scott armstrong everybody Is he one of your best friends or what? He is one of my best. Yeah. Yeah. He's a great guy, right? Yeah, we just went to vegas this weekend to go see a bear scheme. What is it? What's a bear? A chicago bear is an nfl football Is it good? Justin they're good. They won. They're three and two. Justin fields big draft pick Yeah, young quarterback exciting. They won and you know who was still coaching Two days ago in the nfl. Who john gruden. Oh, no, that's right. Oh He stepped down johnny grudegrew, huh? Yeah, grew them right from the bears, right?

No, not from the bears the raiders the raiders, dude. He Yeah, was he good sports do you hate sports or you don't still care about them? Listen, when they say derogatory remarks Like did they specify what he said? I think they were insinuating. There was racist the way you describe people and Probably homophobic and sexist. I think of the sort of emails that are out there. That's what I heard I heard on one npr story. So I can't be a definitive source. I'll say that What is a homophobic email that you could maybe email somebody that would be construed as a homophobic? Why don't you try? Yeah, I'll give it to us. How you got five

Dear commission like I'm the guy right your coach your coach. I'm bruce them, right? What's his name? John Gruden. Sorry. It's sorry. I'm sorry, Matt. No, I'm helping you I'm throwing you a life raft here. I'm helping you I'm giving you details so you can take off. All right. This guy's like a tough-nosed Commentator in the nfl. He does a lot of television. He's a very good quarterbacks analyst. Yeah, but he's kind of like chucky He looks like the chucky doll. Oh And that's what he's known big head and blonde hair kind of oh

He's kind of known as chucky chucky and he's sort of like, you know tough as nails You choose gum and he's you just do the thing. Oh, right That's the kind of guy is and he was a good coach and You know the minute you say something like that. You're gonna go because you have to go So I agree with The thing he did by stepping down by the way. Anyway, so that's a lot of but his name is gruden Yeah, yes, right. What's my first name tom? John john gruden. That's all you you don't have to tell me again John gruden, okay?

Dear commission, is that what he would say? Yeah, dear a I have a big head, right? Yeah. Yeah, you're chucky. Yeah. That's what you look like. Hey What don't give me the photo that fucks me up. It does. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You don't work that way You work from the inside out you work from the inside out. You're a real actor I'm giving this physical surface stuff. Come on, man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I gotta go inside. I know the character, right John gruden, baby. Big head You'll deal deal commission. Okay, right?

Close deal commission, right? You're feeling it. I can feel it. You're feeling it. I like it. Yeah my My team my team is a bunch of pansies Little underwear female underwear wearing bra strap and pansies, right and they got to stick their We're feminine products inside their vagus just to even get out there To play the game, you know This is good. These these fucking little fucking, you know, I'm not gonna say homo homos Right because I know because of the culture, you know, you don't even have to do the keyboard if you don't want to

But I like it. I like it. I like it. Don't they have don't they have a voice thing? Yeah, let's go boys. They can translate or he's got a guy who yells out who says write this down Tell me You know me your little Pansy walking, you know, I mean screw head. Yeah I don't even know what that means. I've never said that before but my point is is that You're welcome. John gruden Good

Is it good right in if I did on I feel like you so much should actually transcribe this. Yeah. Yeah, John gruden letter form So, no, um, I'll answer your question matt. Um I am a sports person, but only specific sports and football is not one. What are your sports these? I am only one sport. Oh and only one team and that's Arsenal fc Premier league. I love fc. Where are they right now north london? No, I know where their team In the league is the league active now. I don't follow. They are where are they in the stand? They're not good. They're not good. They're in the mid they're in the mid table. They're like 10th, but

um, we did have A three game winning streak and then the last game we tied But we're still 10th or something, but we're not going to get relegated But um, it's it's not the heyday, you know, no, yeah, but it's it's heartbreaking because that was never Sorry another, um, assaibur. How many bowls did you have? That's the second bowl. Wow. You know what he buys two bowls a day every single day of his life It's delicious. Yeah, it's delicious. I can't disagree with the deliciousness. Yeah. Well, what do you get in yours? I would go gun to my head blueberry

Blueberries coconut. Yeah, maybe some walnuts and then if I'm being dangerous like some cap and crunch or something like that Wow Yeah, I'll tell you what I do, baby. Treat it like some soft surf. I I think that peanut butter ruins it Oh, I disagree and maybe I think thank you so much. I disagree with you. That's not a pair for me I'm on team peanut butter. Yeah, me. I'm on team peanut butter as well And you're wrong t-shirts made, please How soon can we get those t-shirts made? Team peanut butter

Yeah, yeah team team team peanut butter. Yeah, I'm sure planters or somebody. Yeah. Yeah, but peanut butter is essential to it because She grew up in the philippines So they didn't have peanut butter there. Well, there's a whole dish with peanut butter in it Like when my aunts would come travel from germany, they would bring nutella That which was as close to peanut. They do have peanut butter now But when I was growing up, it's just not something that we ate right so when you're not used to it like you probably as a Um, what do they call it a the baby and jay? No, just let me finish. Okay Let me stop everyone back up. All right for a second, right? Uh-oh. I got it now

comfort food Right and mad mad and I grew up in america Why why this right because I just like to put american clothes. You're right. My comfort food is like a pig knuckles stew Yeah, yeah, right What is that response? Yeah, yeah, yeah Like you're making a point with that Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah So and mad and I like we that you know if you want to feel comforted

Right on a rainy day. Maybe there was a loss in the family. Oh and we're hongo, right? Matt and I might turn to a peanut butter and jelly sandwich or chicken noodle soup Don't speak for the man. What would oh, that's very nostalgic for me. That's like a young I'm one of seven Wow So we eat a lot of peanut butter and jelly and I just heard the other day an expert said it's supposed to be 59 percent Uh peanut butter and then the rest jelly. Is that the egg? Perfect one person claiming they're an expert which could be you know, you could tell that person to go fuck themselves I'll make it how I want to make it. Yeah, but generally it is probably true. Are you heavy on the jelly or heavy on the

I'm peanut butter heavy peanut butter heavy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you can't go more you can't ever go more jelly for me Yeah, me either. You can't you can't cross that line. Yeah, I mean if you I mean if it was 80 you cross 50 jelly. I'm walking away from that sandwich Honestly, god. I'm walking away from that same. Yeah, if you cross 50 jelly gone I'm offended. What's another comfort food that you have? Comfort food I've got into making sourdough during the pandemic. Whoa. I got pretty good at it I had a dough that was given to me by a guy named Tom Papa. Love the Papa. Yeah, lovely guy and shared his mother yeast that he's had. I'm a starter. You want to get into baking? Oh, yeah, that's true.

You want to know the name? I'll give you some. I'll do it. We got to stay in touch. I'll give you a starter. That's what you need a starter. Okay, so let me ask you something. Okay. I was watching secession last night for the first time I haven't watched it yet. Don't say it. Okay, I won't say anything. I like that show a lot. You haven't seen it though. He loves it. I haven't seen any. I've seen that, you know, I'm up to date up until No, I just started. I just started. Oh, you're starting. So I just saw the first. Didn't a new one just come out? Yes, okay. I saw the first season first. I never even knew what it was. Okay. And my friend Jean last night was like, you got to watch it. So I started with season one. So you're caught up to that, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, I'm caught up.

Yes. So the old man, I don't know his name. I forgot his name. What's his name? Brian Cox? The actor? Yes. Yeah. Brian Cox is character, right? It's his birthday and one of his sons or maybe his son in laws gives him a sourdough starter kit. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So what is it? So if I, what does it look like? The starter kit? What starter dough looks like is like thin-ish, but more like taffy-ish as well to describe the texture pancake dough in a way. But it's like a living yeast that you keep alive. Your job is to keep it alive. And then if it gets, you know, where you haven't given it food, you give it food as flour and water.

So you give it flour and water as much as you remember to, like every two weeks if you're good or every three weeks, because it kind of can't die if you keep in the refrigerator and you just drain off the water. Let's say you've neglected it for three and a half weeks. Yeah. And you didn't think about your dough that's living in your jar. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like a chia pet kind of, you just got to keep it alive. You know what I mean? Yeah. So that's what you're doing. I didn't know if it's alive. Because you'll, you'll know how it responds. So what you do is whenever you feed it, you'll give it, you'll get a digital scale. Do you have a digital scale? Oh, I have many. Yeah. Do you have many? I don't know. I have none. Oh, yeah. You'll have to get a digital scale.

And you go like... Can I ask you just real quick? Yeah. What's the best digital scale in the market? I went to a great restaurant shop in downtown LA. Just go to like, it was near Chinatown. It was kind of Glendale, but northeast of that, maybe west. It was kind of No Man's Land, east of the five, as I can tell you. Yeah. Somewhere in there. But above the 110, right around there. I don't know. Now I'm trying to think of a goddamn location. I'll find, I'll google it. It's like a restaurant, uh, where you can get like crates of China and you can get like big, uh, forks and stuff. And like weird mixers and like, but it's all been used. And so it's like a cook's heaven if you're a cook at a restaurant. Right. So it was one of those places.

Okay. So I get a digital scale and then what happens? Or you can maybe get it at Target. It also works too. Or I could just go, probably Amazon has it. Yeah. Yeah. I'll Amazon it by you ever need a fucking digital scale. Okay. Well, do you think for a first time baker that, um, sourdough is the way to go? Shouldn't he start with like a soda bread? Something just really simple because he doesn't even know how to cook rice. It's so fucking rude what you're doing. But he has big aspirations to become baking king. He, I, I'm going to say go right to the sourdough. Okay. Because I love this fucking guy, man.

Let me say something right now. Can I have another water? Yeah, get him another one. Get him another one. Why isn't it happening faster, Bobby? Yeah, get it. Thank you. You're the best. Yeah. George. Terrible. Have one in your fucking hand next time. All right. So I three times, I like how you run this show. Three times. Yeah. Thank you. You have, you have come to my defense two or three times already in the podcast. No, but you've like naysayed other people and went along with my thing and I really appreciate that.

And I think that's like a comedy rapport thing. I think they respect each other on that level and whatnot. And I think I really enjoy it. So thank you so much sourdough. Please move on. Move on? No, no, I want to. So basically you would take like the sourdough is good because it's like a chore in a good way. So you take two tablespoons of the living sourdough called the whatever and you put it in a bowl. He lost them at the word chore. He doesn't do them. Okay. That's fucking rude again. If you say one more rude thing, I swear to God. That's not rude. That's not rude. Chore. You're right.

He recoiled. He physically recoiled. I don't like the word chore. Use a different word. Okay, please. A ritual in the best way. Oh, you like that. He does love that. In the best way. It's like a meditative, it can be a meditative ritual because you're taking care of a little thing. You are taking care of it. We're on the same wavelength here, baby. Yeah, that's why it could be a way into baking. It's a whole different way in. I mean that. Go ahead, please continue.

So you would get a recipe which you could just basically, it would be like 200 grams of water, 200 grams of flour, room temp water, try to keep your sourdough out for a minute or two and then you put two tablespoons in the thing. Then you mix the flour, water first, then you put the mother dough in there, then you just leave it out and you cover it. You leave it out and then you come back in like two or three hours and it'll double. It'll be like this bigger, gloopier thing. The mother dough is the starter. The mother dough. Have I lost everyone? No, I'm following. Babe, what the fuck are you doing?

I saw your eyes like you look confused. What is the mother dough? It's the starter. Because I just said so. I know. Could you repeat everything you said thus far? No, I refuse. Tell me. What did he just say? Are you really going to learn this because this is important? Oh, you don't have to learn it. I'm going to write it down. You're going to write it down.

Someone will email you. So you bring it out, right? You got to feed the fucker, right? Feed the fucker. You put it out, right? And you feed it water and yeast. And what happens to it when you feed it? It doubles in size. Two or three hours, leave it out. Maybe like five or six, but check on it, whatever.

Well, you'll get numbers. Because here's the thing, it's like this weird, you're kind of like, you're just keeping this spongy thing alive and then you're baking with it. So it's ultimately the sponge that's living this yeast needs flour and water every three, six weeks. I don't know. I have a question. Got it. Can I have a question? Can you have a question?

First off, yes, you can have one question. The rest of the show. Okay. Can I have a couple more? I want a couple more for later. But anyway, so my question is this. Are you doing all this? Now we're talking about bonds.

Well, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's not months. A month. If I gave you, no, no. Two weeks. No. Listen. Who listens to the show?

Is anyone interested? You and I. Everyone's listening. Yeah. This is great content. Number one, this is great content. We've never talked about this before. We've had chefs and we've never talked about it.

We've had chefs and we've never talked about it. This is very interesting to me and I want to do it. Great. Roy Choi had a whole episode on starter yeast and even he didn't talk about it. So yes, please proceed. Please talk about this. I'm an amateur sourdough baker and I'm simplifying it for

someone who's interested. Simplify. I am. Because it's like. I just want to say. I'm not saying it in a bad way. I can read it between the lines, right? And I know what you meant by that, right?

Yeah. And what you're saying is that we're dum-dums. That's what you're saying. And I find that to be a little rude. I find it to be a little rude. I respect you. Everyone's accusing you to repeat it. Everyone in this room has basically said,

you're not even understanding what he's saying. Right. So I'm just. Okay. Connecting to that. Okay. All right. So how long?

So you're doing all this for two weeks? No. Not even. All right. Okay. Start from the beginning. Start from the beginning. All right.

Why are you leading forward? Because this is like going to help me. This is going to help me be better. All right. All right. I'll be more focused. Watch this. Okay.

So you're going to get a sponge, which is a sourdough. You'll take like two tablespoons set aside for a minute. We'll just set it aside. Okay. Flower water, 200 grams, 200 grams. Okay. The numbers don't matter. They're equal.

They just have to be equal. Okay. Because if you add more, then you're going to have to make like two loaves or three loaves. You know what I mean? So 200 grams, 200 grams. Something like that. Okay.

I don't have the numbers. Then you mix them all together. You put the mama yeast in there. It's okay. That's the living thing. Sure. Then it grows. Put it aside out of the pie in a cool place.

It grows. It's an active thing that that thing is. And meanwhile you put your jar that you got your tablespoon from or whatever, put it in the fridge. That's the thing that keeps living. Okay. Okay. That's the thing that keeps living.

Yeah. That's your, and then you're done. Now you're baking. Now you're baking. Now you're baking. So now you got that live, yo, that live yeast. What you're saying is this. Hold on.

Let's finish. You lean forward for you. Oh, I know. Hold on. All right. You're right. Okay. No, because it's a lot of information, but can I just make a point real quick before

you? He's also an adult. Adult ADHD. I know I do. I do. I do. Okay. Okay.

It was a little confused, but what you're basically what you're saying is that you take little chunks of the mother dough, the main source in there, right? Yes. That is the living thing. Right. And you can take a little chunk out there to make bread, sourdough bread, but you have some left in the fridge for later, later on, you just keep it alive. Or to share with friends even.

You keep it alive. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Right? Yeah. What I was thinking is that the mother bread, the one in the house, the host, I can do it more like an alien kind of a host.

Yeah. Right? So let's go to aliens too. The movie. Where you'll get to name it. Like that's the corny thing. You can name your mother dough. I named mine Dovid 19.

Oh. Oh. Yeah. Right? Yeah. You can name your mother dough. Take your time. The bars.

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No. In the fridge and then overnight or forget about it, you know 24 hours. You can leave it in there 36 hours Honestly, don't matter. Let it just sit in there. Okay. Yeah, and then you bring it out And you put it in the best like heavy pot you got in the oven like say 500 550 I forget let's say 500 and the coolest thing is you put paper on the bottom and then you put the Pot in there. So when you let the pot get hot You let the pot get hot and then you put the dough in there and Then you grab water and you put water in there and the pan sizzles and then you trap the steam in there

Oh, you trap it put some water in there So it's kind of like steaming because the pot sizzling uh-huh put it in there then you bake So it's like a sweaty bake. That's a sweaty. It's a sweaty bake. Yeah. Yeah, and then there's like salt in the recipe, too That's probably like the only other flavor because you probably added some salt you did add some salt for flavor Yeah, and people get that's basically it and then you just bake it and I don't know how long you bake You bake it for Probably 20 minutes at 500 then you would probably go down to like 425 or 450 if you wanted to and then Another 20 minutes 25 minutes, and then you take it out of the

Pot. Yeah, don't burn your hands better have oven. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not okay. I'm not saying you're crazy No, I'm not Of course I would use oven oven. Do you own oven mitts? How many do we own baby? Okay, and he burned himself just two days ago. Not using what? Oh my god, isn't that ironic? You know burn yourself. I did where were you making and why what didn't you use oven mitts? But you don't have to bring that in to the thing that's relevant. I think that's relevant Yeah, but you asked me if I own them I do I just don't know how to use them I Don't know when to use them

Really yeah, yeah, yeah like always oh you use them You use if you're using the oven everyone listen right now No, if you're using the oven you should always use the oven mitt and that's the lesson that we're trying to teach you If you're baking either use two towels or oven mitts and don't burn yourself. No, no, no, I What I did was I took paper towels. Oh, no, no, no, but that's what I did. No, I understand that you learn There's you live and you you live and you learn you make mistakes and you go ups that didn't work Now can we get the pod holders, please? Can we please put the pod holders out there? Do we need to demonstrate? Yeah, so basically what I had something cooking in the um, I had a I

Get I get these little pies. So I got a little pie put in the oven and I go I don't know where the oven mitts are. Okay. I never know what kind of can I ask you a question? Yeah, what kind of pie I got up. It's a it's a no it was a beef pie from trader Joe's. Okay, nice Yeah, I love meat pies. So like beef and potato or just matter. I'm curious I mean man, what the fuck does it matter? It's important. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's a beef pie I love me pies, you know, I get them some pan berries. Sometimes I'll do I'll go to goldbelly I'll order like 60 pies from there. Yeah, right. So any of them pie guy my brother is too as well Maybe it's a family trait. Well, no, it's it's like we were born in the 70s

trade. Oh, yeah, you just is that a like a Slam, I think that's probably that are you an agist? Right, I'm so was born in the 70s. If I see one more fucking pot I grew up on pot pies to thank you. Thank you But they're not a comfort for me anymore But they were like the cheap thing that mom and dad would give us if they went out like to dinner somewhere Did you will you sad when they left? No, we loved it because it was like this weird thing that was felt special sort of yeah So let's finish with the sourdough you take it out

You take it out after 40 minutes of baking with a fucking oven minutes. Yeah, right and then you got a Prop that dough. That's really hot out of the pan. Yeah, use your oven mitts Put it back on the rack raw like nothing underneath it. Yeah, okay, and then you bake it for take Well, you want to Sorry, are you angry? I'm sorry. I get angry because it'll make The skin oh, yeah, and the crust that's right of the sourdough We want a crusty respectful How do you know sourdough as well is correctly baked because of the crust and the flavor and it'll have that tang

That's like the yeast and it's cool. Yeah. Yeah, and I really got into it. Yeah, but the tightness of the bread I'm not great at that, but I didn't care after all because it tasted so delicious like I'm not a I'm an amateur baker So like I was very forgiving because if it didn't bake perfectly I would make croutons out of it or sometimes because your sourdough things living you can make like sourdough waffles Which is like bananas. Wow Clever that's just like leaving sourdough and like an egg or two overnight which seems crazy like I'm gonna get something infected Yeah, I think maybe the eggs going in the morning. I can't remember. Don't don't listen to my recipes. Yeah, this isn't none of this is real. Yeah, it's real. No, you watched a

Great British Bake Off. I did for a while. Yeah, I did for a while. Oh, that's our favorite. It's very soothing. Yeah It's soothing. I think it's the most wholesome show I've ever seen. They never have a sourdough challenge though No, because they have to do all that living shit You're gonna get the mama the mama the mama bird, you know me and bring it in. Yeah, the whole thing. Yeah, but um, I Also sourdough just I sort of throw on my two cents about sourdough in itself. It's probably my fifth favorite Bread rank your breads. Oh, wow. Yeah, rank your breads like styles. Yeah, what is your favorite? Is a baguette Yeah, that's a bread. It's a bread, right? I think number one is ox tail stew

Yeah So baguette would be number one for me, you know focaccia Focaccia is a good focaccia. I like that. It's Italian. There's I like the little chunks of stuff in it Right, there's always like onion z's and stuff, right? Yeah, am I getting that right or what onion z's? Thank you for saying the z So many people forget to say the z. Thank you Thank you so much. So and the third bread that I enjoy is I like um, I like the English the pudding bread

English pudding, like bread pudding, that's amazing, right? Yeah, am I getting it right? Do you want raisins in that or no raisins? No raisins. I don't put raisins. No respect. I like um Cinnabon. Oh Is Cinnabon a bread? You know what it is, you know, I managed a Shop in a mall and I got like I had too many Cinnabon for like a month and a half What do you mean? You had to be like a month when I didn't have work as an actor like as a very young man I'm very old now. I Had to like make my rent and you know months at a time before I like was full-time comedy in LA

No, this is Chicago a bag and a buddy of mine's mom had these like pop-up shops Or she'd open a Christmas shop because the mall doesn't want to store empty and the Christmas shop was like crafts things That would be in cases like this, but they were generally Christmas themed and some were porcelain dolls And you were probably in like an old pay less shoes. I forget what our mall shop was before that Yeah, I happened to be the manager and I wasn't great at it But Cinnabon was my break and I didn't have them every day But they're they're sort of addicting like they're really good. Yeah, they always deliver even except an airport Cinnabon occasionally undercooks it a little bit. Sure and then also

What a treat the smell probably fucked you up because you cut probably smell it from your work, right? Yeah, yeah, exactly because it was in the center of the court Yeah, so they were like using their magic like if you're smelling cinnamon and sugar all day. What do you think you want? You think about that. Yeah. Yeah, and they're delete and with a little coffee. Forget that my come on Come on man. Come on My mom stole someone's Cinnabon Right off the counter. Why because you know how they give those tiny little testers at the Glendale gallery? Yeah, yeah, yeah, and

Well, there were testers and then there was someone's whole order Yeah, I'm hanging out there right and she just swiped somebody and she just started eating Because she thought it was a tester. Well, I don't know And I remember thinking ma that's not a tester and she was like oh and she was embarrassed But then she just kept going and walking towards the parking lot. Yeah, dude. Yeah, that's what it's got crack powers Yeah, it really does. Yeah, I mean, I haven't had one in years. Yeah, I really haven't honestly got a Cinnabon. It could be I don't know. It's been years many many years. You know what fuck you know, you know what fucks me up to like Wetzel pretzels. That's a great. That's my wife likes Wetzel pretzels

They fuck me up the kids like Wetzel pretzels and I had an racist encounter. Well, then now we don't like them. I Was in Indiana, right? Oh, well, I had a racist encounter So I was at the airport at the Indiana I don't know what the Indianapolis airport's called a call, but I was there and I was waiting in line, right? What are you laughing right I'm waiting in line and I'm like I'm going God, which one should I get should I get the jalapeno one with the thing and the cheese sauce? Well, the cinema one is something savior. I don't know and it was a long line and then this white man Cuts right in front of me and the people behind the counter. I don't know why I'm standing for this by the way

I like it. Thank you Like it was a choice, but there's no point is camera getting this. Yeah, are you getting this? Yeah, okay? I'm my bad. All right. I don't know why I'm standing for this, right? So this white man cuts and they go Oh Dr. Sullivan Like they all knew him and he goes excuse me young man Then I had to do up. Yeah Yeah, I had it back up

Dr. Sullivan, he's like he's on the clock. Oh, he's helping people Was it a pickup order was no the line he was cutting the line he was cutting like and also it's like Um, and I remember him taking a very long time and here's the third thing did he know his order or was he like No, he was talking. How is that? You know, how's your sister Caprice? I don't know Yeah, how's your sister Caprice? You know me and she's like very cheesy You know me and so and I remember going I remember him taking so long that I did a sound Oh, and then I left what sound did you make? Right like I wanted them to know you're upset. Yeah, so I'm standing there, right?

He's talking and I remember just going Caprici. Yeah, Caprice Caprice. You're right. I was going And I walked away and then they there was no reaction, right? And I just remember racist Racism that was a lose-lose for you. Yeah. Yeah, you could have walked out angry and with a wetzel pretzel Yeah, you white people don't you guys never get here's the one thing that you guys. I finally wanted to talk to white people This is good for me too. This is good for me. I want to tell you two whites here Back up for a second everyone right you guys never you go through your lives and you never experience weird racial situations

You know and I think the younger generations and I mean Yeah, the younger generation of Asians you don't feel it as much But when you were when you grew up during the 70s like I did you mean it was more prevalent I believe try going to the Philippines. That's when you'll feel it. What everyone? He's the white guy. You're Joe Is he anyone care about you? But here in America you guys don't get you know witness like you know me we're anyway I'm not blaming you guys you guys are just born who you are and you guys are great people I

Talked to white America Talked to them so I want to met man. I also want to talk to you about like because I've always been intimidated by you. Oh No, yeah, because um, you did start UCB With who was the core members in the beginning of UCB? Besser Amy Ian Besser Amy and Ian. Yeah, and then how Well, just tell me were you guys in second city or do you started your own thing? We started our own thing that was around since the early 90s. That's amazing

What why did you start your own thing when second city was there in Chicago? Because everybody came out wanting to do their own thing and there was sort of this all comedy reaction to second city And also there weren't I don't know why I guess I stumbled into comedy my trajectory me was trajectory was through improv And so I didn't do a lot of theater and then I stumbled into a place called the annoyance and the annoyance had these like Kind of funny parody musicals and I happened into a and I didn't even I don't really sing but I stumbled into that Yeah, and then I was doing UCB shows with like Besser and then Ian and Amy and then we moved to New York in like 96 and started a theater and that's how it started Mm-hmm. That's amazing. I mean to create like it's like it reminds me of like Gary Austin with the groundlings back in the late 60s

It's like yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's like because I knew Gary when he was an older man He's passed but when I was a young kid I used to take classes from Gary and he started the groundlings back in the late 60s early seven I don't know what it was but But it's you founded an institution. How does that? Did you walk around going I created that or no? I Tells people why but it's cool. Thank you. Yeah, it is. I am proud of it. It's so fucking cool It's like when you go because you are you still like on the board or how does that work?

I'm not on a board. There's the four of us that sort of run it and then there's still business people not really anymore We're not doing anything so but you still have your buildings and stuff. No, nope. Nope. That's gone. What happened pandemic sold it We were wait, you had two buildings in LA. They're gone now. We have a building on Franklin That's our lease. So I still have that but you're not gonna do it anymore. I don't know what's gonna happen. Honestly Oh, that's my truthful answer. We don't know what's gonna happen. Wow That would be a shame though, right because it's like it's such a I mean, I've done shows at the Franklin one Mm-hmm. It's only right by there. We still live right. I we still live on Beachwood and it's just a historic Landmark almost for comedy. You guys got to keep it going. No

No, no Matt. It's not just for you. Yeah. Oh, it's very sweet. No for comedy. Yeah for comedy reasons You anyway, let's move on But anyway, I just I just love Doing shows there and it's it's a huge thing. But um, you know, um, but how was the pandemic for you? Great question. Depressing. Uh, how was my pan? Yeah, I Guess my pandemic was home with three kids I Started raising chickens. What kind right now. We currently have like mostly Rhode Island Reds and two

silkies Polish silkies and those are the two roosters So let's talk about an interesting. What's a silky? Silky is very you'd love you'd love a silky. They're very um, very fluffy They're fluffy chickens We will wait you're not moving fast enough Gilb. What do you mean? Oh, you want to see? Wait, wait, so pull up a silky Look at them. Look Yeah, whoa, dude. I've never seen that view. I thought those are They're fluffy. They're kind of me and Paula's they look like I'm Paula's What's an umbrella?

The car no, no, what's it? Lama And then Paula is a gazelle, isn't it? I think it's sort of like An impala is an animal very fast animal pull up an impala pulling it up. Okay, all right Yeah, okay fine completely wrong animal Completely all right go back to this fur fuzzies All right, so those are real chickens. Mm-hmm. Yes. Mm-hmm. What kind of are they like and they have fur on their legs

So that's what's kind of funny about I grew up with chickens as pets So my dad would bring them into the living room and watch TV and they would drop their wing and come really Yeah, really had co-coc for eight years. Really? Yeah, are these they shit on the floor? Occasionally, but he was a white leg horn, so he was a very typical white with a big red crown. Oh nice Yeah, nice, but are they female or they're all they're both he has the roosters of the silkies Yeah, we have the we have the rooster. Yeah, two of them. Wow. So you just have them as pets No, they live in a little rooster shack in the backyard. Wow, and there's seven of them

There's two roosters and five hens and he didn't even know what a chicken was up until we went to Hawaii one time And we were walking pass. I was like, oh look at these chickens number and you like That's a chicken. It was the most basic-looking chicken I'd ever seen. He's like, I've never seen a chicken before Remember that? I know, but let me just say something When you see something lie Right, like sometimes you like let's just let me okay sometimes like when I first met Sinbad Okay, this better we go This is gonna go so yeah, yeah. All right, so growing up I would watch Sinbad on television, right?

And then when I met him live, right? I was he looked different like so, you know with the TV version of Sinbad, right? Look different than the live version of Sinbad. He he seemed more orange Like Sinbad has an orange glow about him on television. So you're saying that this guy right here, right? Yeah, so when you see him like that, he has this orange glow, but maybe it's the Goatee, I don't know what it is I'm not being racist. I don't know what you guys are laughing about right? Just I'm just saying when I was watching I go look at this orange man He's so funny, right as a kid, right? And then when I met him live in real life

I didn't even know who he was. He didn't look like that. Yeah, you mean so it's like that's the same thing as a chicken As a chicken just hear me out. I get as a chicken I've never been on a farm before right right and I've only looked at fucking chickens on you know, I mean your plate On the plate. Yes as well, right, but also in photographs or you know, I mean cartoons cartoons school books, right? When they go, you know, they do song. I don't know what your city kid mostly or suburban kid I'm a suburban kid. I'm a suburban kid. I'm a suburban kid, right? And it's suburban and in school when you're in elementary They do songs like I I'm gonna make it up a cow goes move move chicken goes Right fuck a clock or whatever and you go and you read the book and you go and you do this

But wait, I've never seen one. So when we were in Hawaii and we saw one. I just go. Oh, that's what it looks like. Yes Mm-hmm. Yeah, well, why are you sweating? I'm sweating because it's like you guys make it make a sale on that I'm dumb or something. I just There was a reason why I was so surprised to see the chicken anyway I've never seen your kind those kind of chickens before yeah, what is the difference? well, it's just a breed and we went to a Feed store somewhere and I think San Bernardino or whatever and you can have five or six different choices of chicks And then you get them when they're like kind of this big or whatever. Yeah, and then

Put them in a tiny pen and then eventually they lay eggs if you keep them live long enough But are they like do they recognize you? I mean, I don't know. They are interesting. They do have some personality but it's so funny like We have two roosters now and I raised them since they were babies like they were kind of pets They do not care at all about me like they're so mean to me like they were they would this one always bites my ankle And the other one's always humping the poor hens like never not jumping on a head Like he's a harass. He's a serial harasser. Oh, yeah And so it's just like and the funniest part too is like there's an alpha

Rooster and a beta rooster and they never fight occasionally They'll pack a little but they grew up like brothers and there was a time when we call them scrawny Uh, was the alpha when they were adolescents or young adults or something and then at this point the black one Who the kids now call, uh, sir pantaloons Yeah, the sir and uh, he's the alpha That's where the word pecking order comes. Yeah, or the term pecking order that I learn something new every day Yeah, the pecking order comes from the chicken Mm-hmm depending on how high they are on the

On in that the pecking order order. Yes In their enclosure event. Oh, I see. Yeah, so there's always one dominant. Yeah, like for a while we had scrawny would sleep underneath, uh, sir pantaloons and this other Female hen frazier so there was at one point there was only like three and two were males and the beta guy would sleep downstairs And he wouldn't get pooped on it like oh wow. Oh, you know what I mean? But that's their culture. Do you know what you mean? Like and then something or they're like they're interesting Yeah, it's fascinating because you aren't you're getting they are pets So you're seeing like how they establish their pecking order and then like in the morning sometimes

Uh, the black one would chase scrawny around, you know, yeah, yeah, and uh, so so you do see that but The roosters don't once they're like adults. They're kind of mean and the kids love To get them to chase them through the yard. Wow. It's kind of funny to see a rooster chase you But it's like that in every species. Is it not or no, isn't there a pecking order in every species? Even yeah, even humans sure like if you look at the joy like the uh podcast world Jill Rogan would probably be the top Right and I'm like I love it. Give me your Give me your wrecking of the most powerful podcasts right now. You're pecking order my pecking order the top

The top whatever whatever I'm just gonna sweat because I don't want to ruffle any feather. I don't think you're doing that You don't have to do it. Is that what's that from? I don't want to ruffle any feathers. Chickens. Chickens. That's it exactly right, so um Here's my in all I know is comedy. Are you ranking by money that they're made? No, no I'm just in terms of how I would Be Amongst them how I would act

You I mean like when matt came in here when he like I don't really greet people out and out there When you came in because I just respect you so it's like you mean I guess you're above the pecking order in terms of how I feel about it. Is he shit on your head when you He would never shit on my head. He's one of those guys. It's not. Well, we're not chickens. So we have a different way of like Shitting on each other's head. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There is a different way of doing it They blow off your podcast if they want to shit on your head they blow off your podcast. Yeah, like tim dillon Whoa, yeah, he did shit on your head twice. Whoa. Whoa. He shit on my head twice And I want you to hear that

Because you canceled twice. Who else canceled? Uh, nobody cancels on us recently. I know but over these history tim dillon. That's it. That's it. Yeah. Yeah That's pretty good. Oh, no, there was another one the fighter Oh, yeah, sugar Sean sugar Sean oman. But that's because he was he got he partied too hard the night before Well, here's the here's the scenario. I'm going to I'm gonna have to do a job in montreal All right, uh for like a week and I had a podcast scheduled during that week And of course I have to take the job, you know, it's good work and But I want to contact the person whose podcast that is and write a personal note instead of just having

Like my I guess my publicist booked it or whatever. I want to make sure that they know That I'm not a jerk because I get it. Yeah, you know what I mean? But it does happen But you have to like you have to be good about that because you don't really want to hurt people's feelings that way Yeah, yeah Yeah, people get you know, I mean, we're okay because we if If like if you had canceled, which would would have bummed me out But we would have just done it. You know, I mean when I'm yeah, you know, I mean But like we can move on but and to be fair sugar. Sean did write a personal email. Thank you. I never read it. Sorry

I never read it. Okay. Well next I'm sure that He felt really bad. Did he really? Yeah, he felt really bad. All right. Well, then sorry sugar. You didn't pull on me But let's go on your head just on my head eye on my head But so here in terms of can I get a water? This is like Are you being real? Yeah. Yeah, give him another water. Here take him. Give him mine. I didn't open it Yeah You drink a lot of water, man. I'm trying to be healthy. Oh, that's nice. Yeah, I'm trying so um in in the comedy world I would say Joe

Rogan is the top dog and the reason being is because When you're around him, he does have this You know alpha e status vibe about he's like, you know, he's Hey, you know me one of those guys it'll elbow your neck when he gives you a hug, you know And you go, hey, you know that type of thing and then But then you have this second one, which is more of a sensitive one Which is mark maron. I would believe in terms of how I would feel it would be probably

He'll be so angry if I say this Second Tell him to the camera even though I'm doing a show with him next week Hopefully he doesn't hear but they're close. I don't do you think he listens to your podcast? No, somebody might tell him Somebody might tell him somebody might tell him. Yeah, I think that's what it is. Yeah, you're right But um, I think they're not can they share number one? Sure. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, because in the chicken world, right? Oh, this is good It's

You tie it back to chickens. All right. So in the chicken world, right? You probably have if you have two pens Right, but they they're on the same ranch or farm Would they would there be two pens? Do you think on a farm? Technically two pens two two different areas where chickens sure hang right? So maybe, you know, that's it's like one pen is you know because the joe rogan, you know, I mean the podcast, you know, I mean umbrella Is a certain type of like I would say that like

You know, I mean, maybe we would fall under that category, right? Do you think or like it's tom segura berkreicher and then the mark maryon umbrella Some other types of podcasts would fall under that type of umbrella like the doboy or whatever, right? So, um, I think so I think those are the top dogs in terms of how I view it. I'm sure there are There are also celebrities doing would use fart. No, it was a table. Uh, they're also It wouldn't mind if you did Okay, it can't but so and then I think that every other thing else also falls No, that really fizzles out. I was podcast pecking away by bobby league

a great segment It just fizzled the fuck out, right eye contact with everyone in the room during that. Yeah But because I just don't know what even that means. I mean, yeah, I made my point Yeah, I got it. I always tell mark all the time. I go I always look at him and I go Thanks for doing that your podcast. He goes. Why he's always grumpy and he I go because he's always grumpy toward me because it showed us a way You know, I mean to Make a living

Do just we never thought that that would be an option. You know And don't you don't you love podcasting? Well, I do so far back. Yeah, I'm back doing it again. Yeah. Yeah, I do. I mean so far I like it for the deadline too. I like that it forces you to be creative on a schedule and like And it's always usually fun. Yeah, right? Yeah, are you having fun today or yeah? I want you to I want you to be having fun. So far we've gotten to sourdough and chickens. What's another thing during the pandemic? that uh We did or my my wife

Yeah, these are all like activity things, but my wife painted or taped Uh a pickleball court in our driveway. So we've been playing pickleball. Do you know what pickleball is? I don't even know it's like ping pong tennis basically I just learned about pickleball. What is pickleball? It's a small net Smaller net than a tennis court, obviously and then shorter narrower court And the paddles are like ping pong paddles, but they're a little bigger. They're flat and the ball It's fun too. You'll like it the ball is like a wiffle ball with holes in it and it bounces on concrete pretty well but

You get the rhythm. It's like and it's fun because It gets fast like ping pong like you can like really he's really good at oh, you might be really good at pickle Yeah, I might be really good. Yeah, and you'll like it because it's exercise too. Okay. I like it for exercise. I'm old Yeah, I love the exercising. Yeah Um, is there a serve? Yeah, you have to serve on your hand below the oh, you can't just slam it. No, okay And then the other thing is there's a kitchen which I'm not going to get into but no, I want no I need to I need oh, this is pickle ball. Yeah, that area that's the blue the blue the kitchen

That's the kitchen and that's where you're generally can't go in there unless the ball bounces in there Oh Look where it ends up and they all everybody started Yeah, everybody started on the back line. Watch it again. Like let's see if we can see their serve Yeah, yeah, these guys must be really good. Yeah, I'm terrible, but it's a fun. Let's see right Oh, he's serving on this and then he moves over to that side for whatever reason So once you're in the kitchen on the blue, right? It keeps you from like hanging out at the net Uh, you can't slam it down. Yeah, you can't block it. And so that and if you notice like right after the serve

They run to the kitchen, but you have to return one bounce. So these guys can't charge a net until they've returned one bounce If that makes sense. Yes. Yes That's interesting and these are people watching so it maybe it'll catch on Oh Do you think? I mean it hasn't had as a million views streamed live. All right. Yeah, it's pickable a new thing or is it like Here's why it's your sport. You're good at tennis. You're good at ping pong This is like the I was on the tennis team in high school

And I'm pretty good at ping pong although. I'm not as good as judo foodlander Yeah, or uh, frank. They're good at ping pong bro Frank, you know frank heliendo Frank heliendo you when you look at him you go Um, look he looks like he's shaped like that little boy from up The asian boy I mean, that's what he's shaped like like this is kind of like, you know, I mean

Like cartoon and cartoony, right? It's like how do you this guy walk? It's like, you know, he just you know wobbles Oh, he's gonna be so mad when he because I again a comic we was gonna tell him I say And he's gonna fucking tax me. What the fuck right? But here's the compliment You think I remember the first time I ever played at mad tv when we were on mad tv together. They had a ping pong Table by the riders offices and As soon as it as soon as I served at one time I just knew oh, this is next level. He's a spinner and his dad's a grandmaster. Oh, and he grew up with it

So he would beat me like 21 to 1. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's how good he was. Wow. And that's not fun I've never faced anyone that good. You haven't I've only played in like family picnic kind of Yeah, or basements, you know friends basements. Yeah, those are fun I like those duels, you know, I mean that you would have but when you play with somebody that's like a spinner Like he'll do one spin olympic stuff. Yeah, and it sort of hit the thing It'll do you think it's going this way? That's my ping pong noise Yeah

Right, it'll go that way. You know, I mean and then It's gone and then you lost the point, you know, but yeah, those guys are and they're also shaped to say I don't know why do why do I talk about people to shape you're very I gotta stop that, huh? What do you think when I describe people like if I describe speaking of chicken you're kind of shaped like a rotisserie chicken Thoughts Um What I've been what have I been doing every night on the peloton. That's right. I've been 45 minutes on the peloton Because I don't want to die because Matt I just turned 50

You look good Thank you. Mm-hmm. Um, were you depressed right? I don't know if you're I'm making an assumption that you did turn 50 at one point. You could be I don't know that It was a big one. My Wife got blessed her through me a surprise party a big one and she was very sweet That's what she did. Oh, that's very sweet. Like it's very thoughtful Yeah, I was very touched by that and she got a lot of people out there to Baltimore Whoa, no, so you know when I was working was in the middle of our season. Oh, wow

It was really nice though. It was fun. So you were on veep. Yeah And she did a surprise party where people flew in Yeah, wow for my 50th. That's fucking and so you were completely surprised Like The dumbest man in the history of mankind Wow, like Apparently people are like my brothers my siblings flew in and my mom flew in and like Buddies from high school who hadn't seen in years

Whoa, I keep in touch with them, but we hadn't gotten together in a while But also like why would they come out to Baltimore? You know what I mean? Yeah Let me how did it happen? So did you did you know that she was She was she was coming out to Baltimore to visit me And it was the weekend that Uh, I think it all I don't know. Yeah, it was the weekend Of my birthday it happened to probably land on a Saturday or something like that And so she was out just to hang with me and then we were going to go to a dinner and then she had to be like

No, let's not make because I was making reservations. Like I'm like, you know what we should do more than we should have like a Friday night dinner and you should meet some of the veep cast because it was still kind of new or like some people were in town and Right, you bonded with the actors and she's best friends with all the wives veep wives and stuff like that too And uh, she's like no, no, she had like canceled plans and then she had to like have someone Cancel it in a back row way. So I made a reservation and I forget the name for like 10 people Let's say yeah, and I was celebrating my birthday, but I was also celebrating Morgan coming out You know it was like a Friday night and then She had to back channel through Alex this woman worked there and then she called the restaurant said if this guy wash

He's not coming, but if somebody for wash calls just say yes, sir You know just because I changed the number. I literally called back there and they said like yes, sir. Okay fine Whatever wow, do you know what I mean? Yeah, so there was like subterfuge that kept everything quiet. Wow. Yeah And so when you came in For the how many people showed up? I walked in and there was like 50 people there And it was like family friends and I have a big family and all my siblings came out except for my one brother Did you cry? I did. I probably cried. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I when you surprised me three weeks ago. I almost cried

Did you feel it though? Yeah, did you feel his tears because I remember going I feel like crying and then thinking Why why aren't tears coming out? And then the third thought was You better force it out because now she doesn't think that you're not grateful or whatever. Oh my good. Did I go to the What a performer I go through like this mental thing, but I have to say Have I said this before on this podcast? I think you have. Yeah, I'll say one last time That was probably one of the greatest nights of my life

I'm glad And that was really nice that whole night was magical, you know so, um Do you have fears of dying? Beautiful transition No, because that's what that's the thing that I guess we all do sure. I mean, it's a limited amount of life We get so sure. I mean, I don't live in fear of it. I try to I don't know distract myself with other things. Yeah, and um the 50 was a big one for me

It was just like I don't know why But as soon as I turned 50 I was like Then I started thinking about it. It was like maybe because I know that my dad had his first stroke at 62 Mm-hmm, right and then also I think norm passing away to at 62. Mm-hmm, right had a lot to do with it but I don't know I just It's not like I dwell on it, but it's just like now it's a thing and it's like you just do for a colonoscopy And you're having feelings. That's what I'm trying to have you had one too. I haven't had one in a long time But yeah, I've had them you do it 50. It's time to get probed

Can you set one up for me? Yes. Yeah, that's like My pleasure. Yeah, just do statistics, but that's yeah, but also you're being your sounds like you're exercising on your peloton Those are all good things. Yeah, because like it's all quality life at some point. You just want to like be Active have fun be able to play pickle. Yeah, play pickle. That's what you need to be doing Okay, I before we go to this though. I want to ask one last question about um, where are we going? What's happening? Well at the end we do a thing, but I'll tell you what it is, but um because I know you have three kids and I've

Did you have kids later in life? I guess so. Yeah. Yeah, and is it like is it what people say it is like like Oh, it's a it's a life experience that you can't miss and whatnot or Because I don't know that I you can't miss. I mean, I think it's the best thing in my life by far like a hundred percent like a million percent and I try to You know be a good dad and uh, morgan is amazing. I'm very lucky and I don't know. We'll see if they're

Not too screwed up No, I mean they're good kids. We're actually very fortunate. My oldest kids Very sweet and they're all very sweet middle person. Also. Yeah, they're all great. Are they funny? Emmy is oh, Emmy is yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they are that's his pronoun they they are. Yeah, they are that's okay. No, I didn't I'm learning it. I'm learning it too. They are. Yeah. Yeah, because I was always wondering if I ever had a kid would I go Man, there's the comedian. Yeah, would that make you prouder and like the other one less? I think I'd be scared Because of the life, you know, I mean it you have to admit it was hard This business sure it's painful. You well

Yes, it is. Yeah, it is also like I find stand-up particularly punishing I think acting you can hide a little more, but I find like stand-up is a very Exposing punishing art form that is pretty punishing. Yeah. Yeah You know what I mean? Like you're alone on the road and it didn't go well and like I did stand up for a little bit And it's it's a tough It's a tough one. Yeah. Yeah, but I find, you know, because I'm acting a little bit right now, too Yeah, and I find I find it To be difficult at time. Do you find it difficult or easy?

I'm better at acting than stand-up. All you are. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you of course you are. Yeah, you're great No, but I was saying no, but what I was saying is I understand the no I'm not saying the actual performance part, but how you feel like I get stressed out. Do you ever get stressed out? Like let's just have a big scene. You have a big scene with a lot of weird lines and you know, you have to you know Play it a specific way, right? Yeah, I guess sure. I mean, of course I get scared. I get I get scared like In moments like the classic is like if you have a big monologue or a big chunk or big action sequence or whatever You just want to get it right. So you're a little nervous and then

You also just never want to get in the spiral where you're like, I can't believe I'm Messing this up like oh, yeah, you just want to like be ready to Yeah, I've done that where it was like Like a line is so difficult for some reason I get trapped in it, you know And then it's like I just start keep thinking about it And then when I say it it just comes out weird and then like and then you get in this head fuck Anyway, it's probably just me. You have any therapy You do well, I think that is not uncommon between actors. I don't think that's uncommon

I think there are moments like everybody watches in a show or a performance Or you're like, I never did get that goddamn thing right like you kind of Thank you for saying that a little bit a little bit. I mean and and you do also like try to I don't know for for comedy. I think it's easy like hopefully When you get hired like I get hired there's there's generally like Invitation to like be yourself or like do what you do well Yeah, so you like but you always like or you know, if you're like somehow creating it then you can help bring other people that make You feel great. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So what I've been doing now, though great writing always helps in acting

Obviously, like we have great writing. That's amazing. Yeah. Yeah I also can take I I'm getting to the point where I can now Take risks where it's like I'll go, you know, I'm just gonna throw this out there Whereas before when I was younger, I was just too scared to do it But now it's like, you know at the second pass I'll just improvise a couple of things and generally they like it and they'll go keep going but before I'll be too afraid to even do like go outside. You know, I mean the box, you know

You know, it's true. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah You get more confident and at the end of our podcast we do a thing called unhelpful advice and we have a lot of people with emails who ask us um They have problems in their lives. Okay, and we try to answer them sincerely or not. Okay. I'll follow your lead It's your show. It's your show. Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully it's a bread question. Oh my god. I just noticed your brodie. That's cool. I know. Yeah Yeah Unhelpful advice. Wait, I want to say goodbye. Good bye brodie. I love you. You're doing your day now. Oh, yeah

I love star trek. You know that. Oh, are you truckie? No, I'm not I thought we were gonna know Why I can't go deep on star trek. Yeah. Yeah. Are you a star wars? A little bit. I'm I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. I like star wars. Yeah. Yeah. You prefer star wars over treks Prefer. Yeah. Like if I had to live in a world Where star wars never existed or if star trek never yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Jeepers. That's a tough question. Uh, I guess I'd probably I don't know. It's a good question. I mean I guess I have to go with Han Solo. I need a world with Han Solo. So

Me too, I guess. Go ahead. No. Well you I'm Listen, okay. I thought you're a trekkie. I'm a trekkie. You're so bailed. I know Because I want you to feel good about your be yourself. What is your real opinion? My real opinion is this all right that the the message and um in star trek. I prefer it You mean, oh, it's a much smarter show. It's a yeah, I think it's also. Yeah, I agree the world federation of it all Yeah, and I like that the ethics of it. I like beautiful. Yeah, and it's a vision of the future Because it involves us as a people. Yeah, you know, I mean, yeah, and I it's an ideal that I want to strive for

Yeah, right a place where there's no Money monetary money and economics and that we're all striving to learn and to help But you're just so you know, you're the first person who's ever asked me to corner myself between star trek and star wars I'm sorry. I have so many other facets to who I am. Yeah, I apologize. Go ahead I'll open vice with bobby kalilah and matt walls Hey guys, I hope you guys are doing well. My name is g I am a 14 year old half greek half australian boy from melbourne australia To be honest, I am a five nine and two hundred and thirty pounds

Fat and have stretch marks on my thighs hips and arms and I'm super self-conscious at times hate myself for being so Fat and quiet and nervous to talk to people and make friends Especially now that my close friends are making friends with new people And we aren't close anymore like we once were his brothers I wonder if I'll ever meet a girl or a real friend who will like me Who will like me the way I am by the way, I love your podcast and it means a lot to me My name is g. That is so sweet Uh, this is him right here. Oh, you have a photo. Oh, he's young. How does he uh 14 and the answer is yes

You absolutely will you will find your people You will find the love that you and the friendships all of those things. Yes. Yes. Yes I can't even give like a horrible. I mean, I just because I just feel like at 14 You put the picture away gilbert. Yeah, see 14. Yeah at His name is g at 14. I was Questioning everything I was so depressed I didn't know what I want to do for a living. I didn't know I was getting terrible grades in school I was an outcast in my family. You know what I mean? I couldn't

Women hated me It got to the point where I did other sexual things that we talked about, you know, I mean, right? And I was just lost and that's when I went through I went to three rehabs in that time period Right and um, they thought I was just like a clinically just you know, I mean Doomed People I mean my parents everyone thought I was doomed I was so dark and depressed and depressed all the time And just um, it's just a terrible time and I just want to I relate to you, dude

And I want to say that I'm I promise you It gets so much better Once you get out of high school. I think hold out 14 is when I started therapy. Yeah And it changed my life Yeah, you're 14 So You're gonna be fine. Yeah, your friend groups change if you want a friend try to be a friend You know, you got to be active a little bit. You got to take it's hard to

And the other yeah, it's hard to expose yourself to try to become a friend and it's also good to know That you're not the only one feeling this like believe it or not Everybody else is probably feeling the same thing, but nobody talks about it. So take that too and also I want to say G If I was walking down the street and we we ever ran into each other, right? I'd give you a hug and we're friends I I at this podcast I learned so much information I learned about pecking orders I've learned about sourdough's

I really have We usually talk about the same things every week But this episode this episode we covered Territory that we've never covered before Oh much like star trek Yeah, thank you Thank you so much Aside from the fact that it's nothing like star trek

Territories, that's right new land right here. Thank you. Thank you for writing it. Thank you so much. That's very sweet Yeah, you're gonna be fine. You're gonna be fine g Um So Matt, hopefully you um do more podcasting and um meaning I didn't do a good job here like I'm rusty you fucking You need to work on Hopefully you do a few hopefully you do a few more of these matt, you know like matt just just you know You fucking killed it. It's good. It was a vibe that we've never had before on this fact. We loved it Good. It was fucking amazing and good. Thank you so much. Thank you for having me

um So matt what check them out on the new veep. What's it called again? The new frontier. What's the new frontier the new frontier veep rewatch the veep rewatch. Yeah, right? Yeah, I started a podcast with tim simons. It's a veep rewatch. We're gonna go through all all right all seasons all episodes and uh It just dropped today and it's called second in command because second command That was actually the name of our signs too when we would park. You know how they have the location parking. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah I always say second in command

What a fucking eight years around. How long were you on that show seven seasons? Oh my over like 10 or 11 years That's fucking amazing Crazy. Yeah, it's insane dude. Yeah, and the type of talent that's on it and the and the and the vibe it has like in terms of like The respect on it. Look at there. There we go second command. Yeah, we worked on that graphic We made some, you know decisions Uh, I don't know. I think it's not bad. Right. What do you guys think of it? We I love it. Do a good job. Yeah. Yeah, all right Good, it's amazing. I'm happy then. Anyway, um matt You can you're always welcome back

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