TigerBelly - Episode 192: Paul Banks on the 14th Take

Episode Date: May 1, 2019

 Bobby hides Sarah McLachlin under a mattress. Paul watches the wrong Star Trek. Khalyla makes Bobby pressure sing. We talk RZA self-tapes, off key girlfriends, and ping pong. Pre-Order Interpol's 'A Fine Mess' http://www.interpolnyc.com/Dog Poop Tee available here: www.thetigerbelly.com Weekly bonus content here: https://www.patreon.com/TigerBellySupport us by supporting our sponsors! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

You're listening ad-free on Wondery plus You know me and I want to say that I'm a fan cuz I am so it's like I gotta get that out of the way And then we'll go into the thing. Okay I'll rain it in if it gets a little too If it gets a little too, you know, family Because it's like it's here's what it is though, dude Here's what it is. What it is is this this is that You know, we've had big people on the podcast

But it's like people that I know right like people that are in my circle like you run into them Or when I came to LA, I you know, I became friends with them and then they made it or whatever But I've never like somebody that like I wouldn't bought an album Right and just listen to do it, you know and went is it on yeah turn it on it's on all right And I went oh, this is good, right and then years later Like you see them in like mojo or some bags rolling stone and you kind of look at you read the articles like this They go yeah, that's the guy Paul. Yeah, you know, I mean and then there's the guy right right and then then you run into him at the Sports arena. Oh, yeah, right when I had to play Santa Claus

Wait, what was the story behind that? Oh, he had to go and dress the Santa Claus my boy Mike Halloran You work for 91 X they did some sort of Christmas 91 X show Yeah, and Interpol and all Jay and a bunch of bands played. I just went I'll fucking do it I'll fucking do it. I said right for the lineup alone, right on the lineup alone then I had this like Santa and and then Vance, what's his advance? Vance. Vance. Joy. Oh his name. Yeah, I don't know him And then I had to do something with Vance Vance. I'm gonna call him Vance Vance Okay, fine Vance Vance and then what happened? Well, let's start from the beginning and then you know, we don't do it this way

Okay, let's count down five four three two one. Oh I've never done this before Welcome to another episode of Tiger Valley. I am your captain Bob and you know what I feel good Game of Thrones feel good after that pretty good, you know I have my I have my doubts and I have my questions, but other than that, you know, okay, not everything was fulfilled okay, and Then I'm gonna tell you guys a little story. We got George here. We got what's your name? Gilbert Gilbert

Hey, call I love my girlfriend. Fuck not Fuck not this one right here a man from the country man. He's doing it for real. Okay, um A couple of like a month ago. I got a call saying that um This particular person wanted to be on Tiger Bell. I couldn't fucking believe it, you know And I'll tell you why because you know when I destroy a man in ping-pong You know dude, it's like when I because I'm fat. Yeah, and I'm I don't Exercise sure yeah, see this. Yeah, this hurts That just lifting my arm like this hurts. Oh, it's pain. Yeah, it's pain because I just don't my body doesn't flow

Sure, okay calorie burn max is 60 a day. It's 60 a day. Wow. Okay, and that's just by blinking. Yeah, okay That's it. So when I you know when I do like being fat, right? Don't move Right, and I'm being challenged by a white dude, right to ping-pong. It's like blasphemy friend It's like you wanna challenge me Yeah, right. How'd he go about it? Well, he here's the deal. All right, so I I played Santa Claus at this 91 X Concert in San Diego. I did it because on the on the strength of the lineup. Mm-hmm. My friend Mike goes All Jay, I'm like, okay, and he's like Interpogo. Yes, I'll do it. Mm-hmm, right?

So I show up and I and I see Billy Idle go up pretty good pretty fucking good He looks weathered but good. You know me like he's been through it, right? Yeah, and then I saw Interpogo up. I loved it That was on the side. I was you know, yeah, I don't know how to you know, but I was dancing right calories Yeah, and then the lead singer Paul Banks who's in the room, but um, I'm gonna see you know Yeah, he just walks up to me and he goes a you play ping-pong which is kind of racist I'm not sure that's how it went. No, I don't know. This is just my point of view and then yo, yo

You can defend yourself. All right. I'm like, look at this fucking guy rockstar, right? I don't like the challenge. All right. Where's the ping-pong table? Yeah, right? And Right, and he's pretty good though, right? He's not judo Friedlander or Frank Caliendo good But when I say it in there, all right Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the rule right so um in my head. I'm like I'm gonna go 80% on this right. Oh, it was pretty good. And then I in my head. I'm like go 90 You're gonna have to go 90, right? And you know, I beat him. I think two games. Wow to what did he win again? No, I barely eat by yeah, I did two games, right?

Yeah, I will I will add an important piece of information. Okay, go ahead add and add the information now. All right No, after you do. Okay. Anyway, so bragging about all right So then I did it right and then I looked him in the eyes I looked at him as his face was like really sweaty. It was probably on the show. Yeah, you know And I looked at him and I go a single beat of sweat. I doesn't matter in my head. This is how we're building it We're building it. We're building in my head. This is how I work I looked at this guy, New Yorker in the eyes, right and I went Later, dude, right and you could just see a man die in front of me in

His is just so I just see his soul just like collapse within his eyeballs, right and he probably wrote a couple songs about it But anyway, um, he's the lead singer of one of my favorite bands It's called inner poll, right and he's here give a round of applause to Paul Banks everybody. Yeah Go ahead Paul. Thank you very much. Yeah. Good to see you I don't I don't remember challenging What I remember there was a the table backstage, right? I think that's where we were introduced was like next to the table Yeah, that's first he wanted a photo with you. This is really how it went down He didn't just walk up to you and say do you play ping-pong?

You wanted a photo with him. You begged Mike Halloran to be like, can we can you please ask him if it's okay to take a photo? But was it was it also at the it was at that show with the Bowie with with Billy Idol and yeah, yeah, was it tears for fears also played that? Yeah No, I don't think so I thought it was one of our shows like a headlining show that we did that No, it was it was no, it was I know that all Jay played you and an idol But I don't remember who else. Okay. It was like a Christmas. You know that the Christmas show they do every year Yeah, yeah, okay, like yeah, New Year's Rock and Eve. Yeah, something like that. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I remember I remember the defeat

And and funnily enough like the other person that has what my ass is Judah Friedlander. I've played Fucking destroyed me. He's so good. Yeah. Yeah, I was really impressed. He's kind of like a grandmaster He's really like semi-pro, right? He's like semi-pro. Hmm. Yeah, it was at spin. You know that oh, yeah in New York Yeah, when how did that work out? He just showed up and you were there or? I Really don't know how I want to play I mentioned yeah blazed it's funny because Neil Brennan too. I don't you know Neil Brennan I met Neil Brennan, right? So he I said that I have mentioned that you were gonna be on my podcast

He goes, oh, yeah, I know him too. Like he got all cocky about it I went to the comedy store with him once I think you did Yeah, I met him and then we went to the comedy store on like a double date and then that was it That was the extent of and you never saw me after that. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not great with with keeping in touch with people Either you know that about me, right? Yeah. Yeah, I also DM'd you about the the ping-pong Did I really I did yeah when I first discovered the podcast I DM'd you actually and did I respond to the deal? No, there was no I don't know how it works, Paul

Well, I would pull I want a fucking yeah Yeah 100% it was you like throw me some names if I would DM back. Just give me some names out there Bryce Halleck. No, give me some big names. Okay, uh, George Clooney. No way No way Chris Hemsworth. No, I don't even know that who that is, right? But this guy I would DM'd right back Paul Banks. Yes, him. Well, I appreciate that Didn't happen, but I know he's being really cocky about how he beat you But the man needed a blood transfusion afterwards Describe but also when you said you look me in the eyes and you saw it, you know that the defeat

Watched over me. I feel like you did kind of then bounce. I feel like we didn't actually have like a long chat Oh, no, or after it's a social It's a it's a it's a self-preservation thing He thinks the longer he stays in social situations the worst it's gonna get for him and he will and be forced to Reveal his true neurotic nature. Yeah, I mean I identify with that. You do you really? Yeah. Yeah. I'm like nervous now I'm nervous now, too. Yeah Here's the thing. It's what it is is that I always say something that I regret in social situations, right? So, um, your fatty story is one of my favorite stories with casting director

So you know that story, yeah, so that's why you know, I don't Like talk to people in length, especially like him. I will because I don't give a fuck what he thinks, right? Mm-hmm, but when it's somebody I mean, I love you. I really do if you died it would be devastating sure that feel good Yeah, yeah, right if you know, I don't yeah, it would be devastating Hey, yeah, it would be you it would have been how about fuck it would have been maybe back before the problem with my brother, but But yeah, were you were but so but do you just you don't want to be just gonna change I'm taking this off It's warm, right? Yeah, it's pretty to see it here. Yeah, yeah, or he's flexing right now But we're just watching this is so weird

I'm all tucked in. Yeah. Oh, that was gonna be the same shirt. Don't be a creep. I'm not being creepy That wasn't sexual what I just did Weird you just sit back a little bit Yeah And we're back. Yeah, we're back Don't cut that out either though. Yeah, okay. I love that whole thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was cute. Now listen Are you so when people text you you don't text back right away? No, I'm actually really good. I'm good with that kind of communication. I'm just not great in social situations

Oh, yeah, even in groups, especially. I mean, I think a little similar to you Yeah, yeah, probably for the same reasons that you were just saying but yeah, I mean, I don't know It's just sort of social anxiety where we're caught. We're nervous wrecks. Yeah And I have like if you look at my hands now Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I always appear like baseline cool But I actually I'm constantly dying on the inside. So that's why him and I Um bond because of that because when he wants to bounce, I'm okay bouncing to I'm not trying to stick around because I feel that same type of

Yeah, I had an audition the other day and I was in the lobby and The the assistance of this casting river came out and they go, oh, hey, finally you show up fine You know for once which is I want to tell them the reason I don't show up because I don't I'm gonna eat it in there Right, like that's what I want to say But I go I give them hugs and I walk in and I just shut down I told her remember I was gonna kill the audition part you shut down. Oh, yeah They go are you ready? And I just don't know what the fuck You know, like if I'm on a set, I know have the job. I know how to do it, right?

Sometimes man in those rooms. It's the same feeling as I have at parties where it's just like I just shut the fuck down You know, it is but how do you I mean you you've obviously done it successfully a bunch of times to get the work that you have Know what it is is that? It's one out of every three times. Maybe I'll like there's a couple where I went I would walk out and go holy fuck. That was actually pretty good Right, but that's rare. I usually it's I think you actually perform better when he's a little under slept And he doesn't his mind hasn't caught up to what's actually happening yet So the the later on in the day that he auditions the more he's thought about it. And that's when he fucks himself over

When you when you don't have enough rest you're sort of in survival mode You're kind of just trying to get get through it. Yeah, so you're not thinking about the tiny little details of it Yeah, because at the end of the day, it's because and this is gonna sound really weird Every time I think I'm going to be I'm the best guy for this Regardless of who's going against me in my head. I'm like, yeah, but you have to show that Bobby And sometimes I don't show it and I fucking Destroy myself you piece of shit if you kill yourself to relapse all that fucking shit I treat myself so poorly, you know, so it's like

So I do it there, but I do it also at parties fucking So you have social do you have performance anxiety not not with You know rock music and being on stage doing songs, but pretty much in any other context. Yeah I mean, I always like a settle in But I tried some acting and that was that was a really interesting interesting experience because I was so nervous for the read Oh, even the read when you're in the room with the actors Yeah, and it's the worst if you're trying to add if you if you're feeling anxious everything is the worst Especially like just all those people and everyone's so natural reading the lines and you know

I really found that very uncomfortable. Yeah, then we shot and it was like we did 14 takes and Fortunately for me like 13 takes there was like a camera problem or you know, at least that's what they told me or you know It was a really long shot We had to go through a hallway and the cameraman had to follow the actors and so there was a lot of moving pieces to the scene Why so I got to do all these you know I got to do 14 takes and by the 14th one. I finally relaxed Yeah into the scene and then I felt like oh, that's that's what acting is and that's really fun To just sort of be in that moment and free and you're not thinking about what you're supposed to say what they're supposed to say

You're just kind of like doing I don't know what it is, but it felt good. Yeah But that's what that might be the payoff you're talking about when you actually have when you do it. That's the payoff Hmm, but when you're auditioning that's not what that is. Yeah, it's a competition to me Yeah, instead of showing instead of being meant my mentality being show them what you would do with it, right? I don't think that way. I think you have to win You know when you have the job, I know that like I learned from like guys like Jamie Kennedy He's a good actor, but I remember I did a movie with Jamie Kennedy where he said one line 40 times in a row And I go, what is that? He goes I'm doing a run

So they'll just take whatever the sounding one is Wow, you can do that He's like, yeah, wait on camera acting it out. He just repeated the same line over and over Yeah, it's like his coverage right and he has maybe one or two lines He'll do those two lines over and over and then they in editing. They just pick the best one, right? But in an audition you try one time Go ahead. Okay. Thank you And you're like, I don't get to try

How long is the scene usually when you do that? Oh man, some of them are like pages long a fact for Strange what's a straight stranger stranger things Because that was I didn't know it was stranger things. It was different. It was a different title Yeah, and I didn't think I was gonna get it and it was so long Then I'm like, I'm not gonna get this. So that was and then they were like, we like him I think I taped for that. Oh, really? I think I did. I mean, I don't know if the same part but I taped for an episode of that Was it for a school teacher?

No, no, I think when when she's like on the lamb with that group of Misfits, you know, like in a factory somewhere. I think it was one of those Yeah, yeah, yeah, those dudes. Wow. Yeah, did you tape it on your own? You have to go? I was on tour I was on tour in a hotel room with I think Rizza didn't help me with that one Rizza helped me with another one. Oh, really? Yeah, Rizza was helping with self-tapes Yeah, yeah Hotel room on tour. I know he's a he's a good actor. Yeah. Yeah, I know Rizza is a good actor But I also read somewhere where you that's something that you've done like, you know younger when you're younger a buddy of mine

Wrote a script that was really cool and then he wanted me to be in that film and he had no budget So we were gonna do a teaser trailer where the idea yet. Can I get a tiny bit more juice on this? Yeah, I feel quite Bobby's very good Give him the juice man. He's got the juice. Alright, so we shot a couple scenes that were then spliced together to make a trailer And that was then supposed to be used to get funding for the for the feature, but that never happened So I did the trailer. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that was really cool Yeah, yeah, that was I mean, I think the only like dialogue was a voiceover or I was like on the phone And there was no interacting with another person. Yeah, which I don't know if that is harder

Would that be harder to you to just like recite a monologue into a phone if you have nobody I Imagine that would be pretty hard. I think that would be hard like my only experience with it Yeah, yeah, it wasn't easy and then yeah, I asked a really great actor actually for advice on that Brady Corbett Oh, yeah, a big director. Yeah, and his like advice was like to do nothing You know, I kind of read it through like just read it off the page to me. He's like, hey, I just do that Yeah, just like just do nothing, which is easier said than done. It's yeah It's I have a hard time doing those and also science science jargon. Oh, yeah, like medical science jargon I can't retain because I don't know what they are. I don't everything. I'm now memorizing just sounds

You know because I've never heard these words before Right, the act like maca, you know disease. So what if they offered you just this like lifetime dream role on Star Trek? And it required to you required you to speak like Jean-Luc Picard. You are the doctor at Star Trek I'm watching that show because of you. Oh, yeah A buddy of mine was also telling me about it and then I heard you say something about season 2 like an episode that changed your life In her life season 5. Oh Yeah, I watch the Netflix the new one. There's no season 5 to that. No, I'm not the next But Paul

Two seasons of the Watch the old-school next Jean-Luc Picard ones right with see yeah with Don't we put a data Paul? Yeah, he's great. Yeah, but there was an episode called inner light Right, you have to watch it. It's really good something is the new one good Well There's this review. I yeah when I when I started I thought maybe they were winging it, you know You know, they hadn't like with lost when people kind of lost it was like that sense that they don't know where they're going with this They're just doing stuff. Yeah, it felt a lot a lot like that then it came together and I did enjoy it

Yeah, so you watched law. Yeah, I watched I can't you know, he he I guess for its time. It was a pretty great show It was great in the beginning was watching it now Why try to watch it with you and I did you could you get through it? No, what's wrong with it now? Because of I think you know because of handmaidens tale and because a game of thrones and all these other things that we're like watching It just it looks cookie cutter. Hmm because it's network TV and at the time Like network television, especially like prime time loss was revolutionary. Yeah It was that fucking pilot is filmed like a film. Mm-hmm with the plane crash When he's running through the fucking forest all scared and and the effects it were fucking mind-blowing

Yeah, with the plane carnage and all that and people running around it was crazy But I feel like what was great about that show those there was really charismatic actors There was really strong characters in that show the blonde dude and the other dude of that or I was like out yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and trust and then The the guy who's in the Hobbit who's married to the actress that was in loss play Charlie in the show Yeah, yeah, yeah Dominic Dominic Dominic. Yeah, yeah, like really strong right Right, John Locke, but Dominic's also character shooting heroin. Mm-hmm in the fucking bathroom Yeah, what while the plane went down, right was like very edgy for television and Daniel Day Kim being a very like a

Machismo kind of Korean Husband, yes, and it was so that dude. That's a good point because in terms of Koreans That was the closest I've ever seen an American like an English-speaking Film or television show where I went that seemed like a real Korean dude. He spoke Korean in it. I know but it's even his His Attitude and his the way he talked to his wife. Yeah was so Korean It would be one of those things where if I was an American producer, I'd be like, it's too harsh, man You know when Koreans would be like, no, that's exactly how we talk, right?

So yeah, you're right. I mean that but that show when they went to the 70s Remember if they did time-traveling in the fifth season He did a whole year where they did it in the time-traveled. I do not remember. Yeah, because you did those people. Yeah, okay Yeah, I left the show, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you didn't 70s Now do you watch Game of Thrones? I do not why not I thought about that I know you guys are big fans And I've seen from social media that some you know shit is popping off right now

It's a big deal, but just it just resumed and there's been a few episodes and everybody's loving it. Yeah Yeah, I mean I love sci-fi and I but I like It's there. I've no problem with dragons. I just don't give a fuck about Game of Thrones There's there's nothing to the from the outside that I've seen that Draws me out like I don't care. I don't care about and I'm gonna no one's gonna relate to that I suppose but I just don't care. We can't fight him on what I'm saying. I'm not gonna. I'm not George We had the people on table. I watched I would love to play It's I feel like it shouldn't be as bad as if I said I watched two episodes and I said fuck that like I've never seen it

It's just I've never had the inclination to check it out. It's not that I checked it out and didn't like it's funny That you say that Paul because No, it's just funny that you say that because I had dinner with a comedian my friend Johnny Sanchez He said the same exact thing He was a little bit more like, you know ass holy about it. It's a hype thing man I don't like fantasy bro, and it's so good I don't like I missed the train like fuck it who gives a shit that kind of mentality and I'm like cool relax, right? You were very calm about and I get what you're saying. Okay, and I get what you're saying and

I get what you're saying, but see here's the thing though. You said you saw two seasons of that Star Trek right the wrong star. I know that I know the wrong Star Trek right the wrong Star Trek, right? Yeah, right. It has no day has redeeming elements. Yeah, no day. I'm sure they do no John Luke. Hey Paul. Yeah, I'm sure they do Okay, you saw Probably four seasons of loss. These are the things that I know about you right now. Okay I just want to let you know FYI. That's what the kids are saying lately, right? For your for your information. Yeah. Thank you. Okay. It's is that This show

Exceeds them. It's it's almost as they're different art forms The way that I've heard and I and I do I get on the bandwagon eventually like I watched, you know The Sopranos I watched Breaking Bad. I watched the wire. I was actually earlier. I was I was early on in the wire me too Like anything breaking bad was one where it had ended when I watched it and it was just like everyone saying this is the fucking Business, I'm gonna check out the show and then I loved it I hear the same things about Game of Thrones and I trust that everyone around me is not wrong I trust that it's actually really great. Yeah, but because I suppose that's like an investment like now I'm gonna I'm gonna have to eventually watch like all of it and that's a whole thing for me

So right it's almost similar to why I don't like pay attention to professional sports or anything because it's like or video games For me, I'm aware that it could be so deep and consume me So like to really participate in it is gonna be this whole time commitment that I don't have to spare Right, I think if you were to catch up now, it's 70 hours total. Yeah, that's a lot of life, babe That is I'm gonna say, you know what? That's a good answer a great answer I'm fucking good at that was a fucking good answer, right? And I've never heard anyone say it like that. It might be too. No take it down And I've never heard anyone that was very clear, you know, you're a busy guy

You have different projects you're working on but You did watch you had time to watch So who sees it two seasons of it, so I mean my time you really struck me when you said that it like changed your life I was like, I gotta see that Paul Paul I forgot which podcast I couldn't go back and check but Paul it's also when I say it changed my life, right? That doesn't necessarily mean that you have to go watch it. I'm interested because I love sci-fi. I okay good And I grew up. I actually in high school. I was watching next generation while it was airing

Oh Watches similar in very many ways Did you remember the one where they like go into some plane where the organisms like only visible in 2d? So they have no idea why they're like locked in this. Yeah Yeah, that was a very good one. Yeah, okay, you and I are similar Yeah, I think so many many movie choices. We're on a similar wavelength. I think musical musically, too Well, you yeah, I'll tell you something about me no more. I like I'm not hip to Red House painters I probably should be for instance. No, but you know what though? I am hip to

The pixies. Yeah, right. Yeah, I grew up with surfer Rosa do little bossa nova Mm-hmm. Trump LeMond. Mm-hmm, right. I grew up with Television marquee moon all those CBGB bands, right? I grew up with joy division all that stuff, right? And I'm gonna and this is this is the dick-sucking part. I'm not gay, but I'm only saying that because okay But I'm just say this. Sorry, but I have to say it. Okay. It's is that I honestly believe that Interpol, right and And is like to me a joy division or a pixies or pavement or Even I was also loved GB guided by voices growing up You know, I mean, I loved alien lanes all those out like lo-fi albums

But I'm telling you right now. That's I mean you that your shit even when you Julian Plenty and that's that song run I love, you know, it's so catchy, right? Only if you run. Yes. Well, you wrote it, right? Yeah. Yeah, what I'm saying So this is this right this dude. I mean having you on I mean, I I I'm not intimidated anymore I'll tell you why because I know athletically. I have you superior Established yeah, but it's not only witnesses. It's a proven fact right athletically. I'm above you, okay Okay, you know, he's actually one of the most agile people. I've ever met Great ping-pong player He's a great hockey player and also a great tennis player. Oh, I play tennis. I grew up playing tennis

Next challenge. All right. I'll play you tennis. All right. Here's the deal We're getting I think that one house because that one house Please don't say the one by the tennis club. No, not the tennis club house, right? I'm buying a house right now I'm so absurd the other day we passed by a country club with tennis courts and he was like, oh I want to sign up for that place and I was like, well, we have a free one next door He's like I only play tennis where I can pay It feels it feels better when you have a membership, right? There's gonna be somewhere where you can like buy a sandwich Yeah, right go to the bathroom, right? They have bathrooms in this. No. Yeah, but then you have to fucking share it with people that, you know

Okay, what the clubhouse? Yeah, I like Did you grow up with it? Did you grow up with country clubs? No, but with tennis clubs. Oh with tennis clubs Yeah, yeah, what do they have then pop that public ones don't have Things like that. Yeah, freshman area somewhere to sit right amateurs, right food. You're not around poor people. I'm we're not around Yeah, but there is like, you know, you you know, you you want an electrolytes, right? Yeah. Is that a thing? Sure, right? Yeah You want bonbons if you want a little, you know treat, right? It's hot, right? And if Paul and I were playing we don't have to wait forever Yeah, you mean Julio and Juan are playing you mean with hockey sticks

Yeah, I mean the public. I'm just saying right in the public one, right? Yeah, there's a homeless guy sleeping in the public one We have to wait for until for him to wake up. And I'll if the surface is fucked up. That's right That's exactly it. Now my fourth you were thinking that too. Do you like clay? What do you like to play on? Oh, I'm a grass man myself Yeah, I'm a grass. Yeah, why don't you play on grass? Poway, okay. Yeah, where I go up. Yeah, we had grass ones. We just had a regular one, but um Isn't grad that's like the rarest because it's the hardest. I was just kidding. I'm not Paul. I've never played on grass. It's only like Wimbledon. I know You don't play French opens. No, no, no But so you have rackets Paul? I do. Yeah, but they're in New York. They're in New York. Yeah, okay

Here's what I want to do with you. Yeah, okay, because I feel like, um I feel like, you know, like I'm looking at a little boy A little lost, you know, and I want you to be able to pick up the sword, right and swing at the, uh, you know Swing for the fences, you know, I want you to be able to defend your pride All right after the humiliation of the yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because that's that's uh, that was a huge gigantic defeat on your part I mean, yeah, shit talk and ping pong Yeah, yeah, yeah, right So I understand and I respect what you're coming from. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. It feels good to win though

It does. It does. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and I will shower Shower you in shit talk after after I defeat you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah Because what I will say we're two. Oh, you're up two. Oh, yes, that's the five So it's not even really decided. I think that, you know, I want to be friends with you So I let's just make it longer than five. Let's make it at best of 10 best of 10. Yeah There's the fuck tennis. We're not gonna him and I are never gonna play tennis. Okay. Okay. So let's get let's get real Yeah, ping pong ping pong, but we're buying a house now. We're gonna get out of here and in my we are and now I just I I made a decision just based on the ping pong. Yeah that one place

Has area to put up a ping pong We're putting a ping pong inside the house. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's gotta be inside the house. It's gotta be inside The kind of wind. Oh, yeah, I know but it can not be like in the middle of the living room. It's not gonna be in the living room I'll just When I when I fucking go there, right? I'm gonna show you tomorrow night. We're gonna go look at it again at night All right. I go. This is where the ping pong. This is where paul's defeat happens This is where, you know, I mean the man paul banks spiritually dies Again this area, right? He's got the talent

Only to be reborn Was my backhand loose that night Well, did I did I mention that sometimes like when I'm starting it gets a little, you know It's stiff and the ball's kind of I don't have my control right and then I get the top spin I get the whip Right when the whip is going He's 14 takes and 14 takes then it's kind of like I don't know. I don't know if you're winning Again, like I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, you were right I think I recall you started getting better and the reason why I bailed

Is that that's why yeah, do you know and you know that's why right? I do not know that's why well Did you see him gradually become paler and paler? I was He was I could hear him wheezing. I was bleeding internally. I do remember. I was sweating a lot actually. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah We went we went at it. Good. This is when you were still smoking like two packs a day too. Oh, that's right. Yeah I was how are you doing you you vape? Yeah, uh two what two years now almost two years. Yeah, no six no cigarettes So that was did you just stop smoking and you took up vaping? Do you still smoke? Yeah, I do man You're you dipping right now too dipping. Yeah. What's that like tobacco? Yeah, you do. Oh, okay, but you still smoke. Yeah

a pack a day I smoke a lot man Yeah, yeah, it's it's you know, I was a pack in a half a day Since I was 18 damn and 47. Yeah, and um, was it hard? Very because you know, I've been sober off of drugs too, right? It was harder than anything I've ever had to quit But I could one night. I was doing a show in Where is that? Idaho, Idaho, Utah. No, no, it was um, it was Utah Utah at this club called wise guys

And the elevations high and I was on stage. I could not fucking breathe, bro I couldn't do the show I was barely getting the words out And I ended my set like abruptly and I just left the stage going. I think I'm gonna die And I just knew I had to quit, you know But um, it's hard. Have you tried substituting with this? No No, I'm I want to like uh, you know address the I heard I was asking someone why I didn't understand how hypnosis might work

With regards to quitting cigarettes because I figured like that's not going to have any chemical effect on you know Whatever part of you is craving this chemical And then I realized someone point out well that that smoking is a gestural habit And so then I was like, oh, okay. So like hypnosis might address like this action that you're used to as opposed to You know, I can't do anything physiologically to you. Yeah. So with that being said, I would probably just replace You know with vaping. I probably just vape Incessantly and then I'm not sure I don't know if it's the tobacco lobby who's telling you that like vape chemicals are super fucked up And they're just as bad. Have you not read any of this that I know that this is

This is harming me in ways that cigarettes didn't but still it doesn't have the same amount of carcinogens As a cigarette does because just cigarettes in general is just packed with a bunch of It's like the worst. Yeah, it's the worst. Yeah, so even though this isn't good It it might still be the lesser of two evils, right? Okay But because I know I would do it currently I would just it would be another compulsion I'd rather I want to be like cold turkey like I don't you're not wrong about that Because I think that your threshold for nicotine is actually higher because these are pure Nicotine salts. Yeah, so

If he were to ever go back to smoking, he would smoke Four packs a day to get to the level of how much he's actually taking Are you being real? You think so? Yes. How do you you know a lot like with with medical things? I was a biochemistry major for a long time But I was also a nurse for a very brief time But I've been fascinated because my dad was a big smoker and I've been just fascinated in general About, you know, the difference between vaping and cigarettes, but it is a pure nicotine salt I guarantee you that's you smoke it more now than you ever did with cigarettes. Think about the time in between

I know You have to step out you sort of had to make a thing of it Yeah, with this it's like you can be here in your sleep and I know that paul has the same thing as me in terms of like This action is associated with other things like behaviors like Like when I'm about when I'm doing a shell. Yeah before you do a shell Right, you have a cigarette. Yeah, right after a show it feels good talking on the phone, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah waking up in the morning. It's nice to have a cigarette Right. I try and resist that one. Oh, really? That one feels dirty. Yeah

Early one. Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty dirty. Yeah. Yeah, but there's like after sex was one for me You know, it was just one of those things that I associated stress When I'm in a like when I in when Oliver Hudson is on set and he has a cigarette between takes I watch him and I go I wish I could because that's what I used to do There's just something cool and you know, I I get that but you know what I found even more interesting was a friend of mine who has been smoking since age of 15 recently just got pregnant and

She was able to quit everything and mind you she's a person who swore that she could never quit cigarettes Never quit vaping. She just was somebody like you where she associated all the good times in her life Or all the relief from anxiety with cigarette smoking, but as soon as she found out she was pregnant It was not even a big deal for her. I I heard pregnant women get like a extremely sensitive sense of smell That's true. Yeah, so I feel like for that makes suddenly like way grosser than it ever was maybe Yeah, maybe But it was she just dropped it and she she's like I suffered for three days, but after that it's a lot I could understand if there was a baby inside you, right and me going there's literally a baby inside me

Right. I'm gonna have to quit But she expected a longer suffering is what I'm saying She expected to be down and out for weeks and craving it and all these things And she was out for like two and a half days and she was like actually this isn't so bad and That's it. She's better. She's stronger than us. I don't know. She's not though I I want to the a buddy of mine who just quit I asked him what he did I was like, is it chiantix or hypnosis or how did you quit and he said that it was the easy He did the easy way to quit smoking the allen car method. What's that?

It's one that I've heard a couple people say they they like quit cold turkey off of this It's some dude who wrote a book and then he would do seminars and if you went to one of the seminars you'd I guess listen, I I don't know all of this, you know, I might be wrong on some of this Like a two-hour seminar, then you go outside and smoke, then you come back in do another two-hour seminar Then you go outside and have like your last cigarette and then you never smoke again And so I bought his that was what one person told me years ago So I bought the book and I was starting to read the book and the idea being like you read this book And then you smoke your last cigarette and then you're done. Yeah, I was scared to quit smoking

So I didn't finish reading But what I gathered at the time I think the key element to this dude's premise Was that the it's in the tobacco industry's best interest to make everybody believe that this is like this impossible habit to kick But in fact, and this is where I'm not sure I have the information exactly right but what I took away from it was that Nicotine is a chemical after you smoke a cigarette is like cycled out of your system in like eight or ten hours So if you took a drug test like 12 hours later to detect if you've been smoking you wouldn't be able to

So technically if there's literally nothing in your system, there's no you it's like you were never a smoker 12 hours later. Wow So it's not like heroin where there's like actually some kind of chemical dependency that's going on. Yeah This shit is all there's nothing in you now because nicotine itself is just a mild stimulant compared to caffeine right Right, that's what they compare it to nicotine in its purest form is not actually terrible for you It's just what nicotine is packaged in Huh, but it's but it's not but I've never thought that nicotine addiction was physical Right, it was always psychological. I think you're right. Right. I think that's what he's saying

And so I guess his point is like just don't light up another one. Yeah, just like you're not you're not actually in need of that thing Yeah, well, can we just do that now with you? I haven't read the book man I know like you have cigarettes on you on your jacket. Yeah, right perhaps. Yeah, yeah Yeah, I mean, what do you smoke by the way camel lights? Oh, yeah camel blue. I love cam nowadays. Yeah I was uh, um, what was I American spirits kind of a guy? Yeah, I'm willing to bet It's easier for him to quit cigarettes than it is for you to quit that That is, you know what she's doing. She's trying to get us both off We're not gonna work for me, but it might work for you

It's never gonna work for me either But I'm serious. I think that vaping is it is a is a much difficult have more have a more difficult habit to quit Come back to cigarettes. I shouldn't have mentioned it. I should I don't know. It's okay. Here's the thing It's okay. Here's the thing shut up. Fuck. All right. I love you, but shut up Okay, thank you price Is this here's the thing. Okay is Sorry I quit all alcohol and drugs. Okay, I quit cigarettes. Okay

This is the last thing Okay And I'm in us, you know, you know, it's stressful Be doing what you're doing what you do, right? There's there's levels of stress That you go through and I just don't know right now If I want to get rid of the last thing You know, because I am You know

Stressed out a lot of times, you know, and it's also it's like, you know, it's my last thing I'm not like Steve. Oh, you know, yeah, Steve. Oh, it's like a vegan and you mean, you know, everything's so pure now with them I'm not like that You know, I'm like I I just this, you know, I love Steve McQueen You know, I mean that you know that Steve McQueen the actor like, you know, he's just a gritty guy, you know, I like You know, you want a fly you want a vice? Yeah, you want to be a bad guy? Yeah. Well, don't do it like that, Paul You want to be a bad guy? I want to be you know, I

You know, yeah, yeah, I mean you probably you're right though. You have done a lot of positive things. So I mean you should Commend yourself for staying off all the other things. Oh, no, I mean, I hear you now. Yeah Can I ask you and I want to ask you I know you talk about music all the time I just try not to But um, I just wanted because I just have a couple because I'm a fan, right? Is that when you when when you when before your first album came out Interpol, did you know that it was going to kill it the way it did? No, not in terms of having a commercial, you know reaction

And I think we were actually fortunate because the strokes broke And so then like indie rock was having this moment out of new york city and everybody was ready for You know new indie rock from new york city, right? I think that helped as far as like how widely we were received Yeah, but what I did really know was that uh That everybody in the band was really talented and when when we had our When we got our final lineup with sam our drummer and we had carlos I was you know, I just felt like these guys are you know If we need more than this and I don't know. Yeah, I felt very confident

That we were capable of doing great music But like you have no who knows how it's going to you know be received, right? But when that when the critics because it was so critically acclaimed the first one was yeah Yeah, and people just loved it and it's like I just don't know I feel like that that Just for your first album to have that kind of fucking heat It must be so good, you know, I mean, it's like but this yourself more album though Usually there's a slump they say, right? Yep, but I'm sorry. I mean this is this album that you started antics you know antics right is

In many ways better than the first is great, but to follow it up with antics was like, oh my god, like They're consistent, you know, I mean did you that's would you feel good about antics for sure? Yeah, yeah, that was a great phase in the band and I think we We had an idea. We were super mindful of the sophomore slump thing and also I remember being very mindful of not waiting too long to get the second one out Which we had to have like band meetings about because Carlos kind of wanted a break in that period of time And I had a sense that like, you know, we really got to do the like the one-two punch so to speak For the reasons that you just said so I think we were

You know aware and I think we did the right thing at that time But I like the direction now though. It's experimental. It's right. I mean, it's like that I forget the last album was Marauder Marauder, right? It's so good. Like some of it's like because I know you like like sometimes when you listen to early blonde redhead or whatever, right? Oh, man, what a band. Yeah, I love that fucking band. Oh my god. I love that band. Yeah, but early blonde redhead. It's like, see, I'm cool I saw I said, wait, you know what when he said, you know, can I just say something? Hey, what are you doing? We'll clip it. We'll clip it. You'll clip it. I'll sit down Right, but it's like You know, especially the earlier stuff is kind of noisy or like but you can hear the melody like or the chorus is so melodic

When it was there was noise and then the melody of the chorus hits you It has that vibe to it that marauders. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, cool. We're all we've toured with them We're we're friendly with the the members of blonde redhead. Yeah, what's her name again? Kazoo. Kazoo. Yeah. Is she Asian? Yeah Full now full though. I think so. I think she's Japanese. Oh, she is. I think so. What a fucking weird voice, huh? So good, but it blends so well with his because his voice has got that high register and then she's just like higher But they're twins. The boys are twins, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so talented I played a song with them off of uh

The record that was called 21 or had a song called 21 and dr. Strangelove was on that record Uh, I played with the tennis racket one with the girl, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah I played live with him so I had to learn one of their songs and it's just like dude, you're looking genius. Oh my god Yeah, he's a really great songwriter and then one of the greatest drummers. I think in in all of indie rock as well Oh, wow, because it's the other blood brother. Yeah, they're they're on another. Yeah that one album forgot was but it had just You'll probably know it It has six red blocks in it something about lemons in it. Yeah that album It is commercial too. It's not as noisy as our previous stuff

But every song is so fucking good in that album. I think it's cool. You know, they've become a meme Really that did you know this? No, no, they uh, and I don't know if it was um rick and morty that started it But now like online if there's ever Like a clip where someone kind of dies inside They play like Yeah, yeah, that's blonde redhead. Oh, well it is. Yeah, I don't think they knew that that was happening And I told I think I informed them that like, you know, yeah, I mean, are they nice? Oh, they're the nicest people Yeah, like would you say that we're nice?

Yes I mean, I feel like I know all of you from watching the show. Yeah, I was gonna ask you a couple things. Yeah, go ahead Are you ever gonna put out some music? How seriously do you take? Oh my god, I can't even believe you're asking me that question. I'm sweating So let me before he answers that um, we've actually been trying to um, steal his iPad for the past three months Because we want to extract a lot of his music This guy stays up four hours every night just writing songs on garage band and I think they're brilliant, but he doesn't think so. So he just keeps deleting them

But before he does I want to take no, I I I don't know that I bring it to the cloud So they are You did the the there's like the intro theme and the outro theme, right? Yeah, your belly episodes on the youtube one. Yeah That's yeah, there. Yeah. Yeah, it's great. It's really great. I know, but it's it's four chords. You know, I mean, you know Yeah, it's not it's not here's what it is. You know that doesn't for you know, four chords three chords two chords You know, it doesn't matter right they they work for me. They work for me is like that It's clear that you could do longer form pieces of music Here's a thing. Here's a thing. Here's a thing, right?

Like when you write a song, right? It like it maybe it'll start with a D minor and then you'll like use diminished notes, right? Not knowingly, but sure Really? Yeah, I don't know any music here. All right. Wow. So it's just instinctual. Yeah, then yeah But you'll use a diminished chord. I'm like, yeah, I would never use that I'm not a music guy, but I do know how Like especially when modern pop music Generally, it's four through four chords three or four chords And they're people use the same ones over and over again. It's just in terms of tempo or how you use it, you know

And um, you know, so I I know the basics, but you know, I'm blushing right now. Um You know, maybe one day, you know, I can grab your email. Maybe I could send you some stuff, you know I'd love I'd love to hear that would be I think even the fact that you're you're saying, you know, the that you're noticing the diminished chord I mean, you're you know, you're tuned in to that's just sort of like having aesthetics and and that's what you would apply to your writing So I feel why you're you're tuned in to the nuances of writing good and emotive music Yeah, I think you should do it. Thank you. You know, I think it has a lot to do with also just me You know, there's a difference between and I've always said that this is to people

There's a difference between like being a technical musician Um, and being like the velvet underground, right? Sometimes a band like the velvet underground. Yeah, it's sometimes it's very primitive. It's like just, you know Motuck or just you're banging the thing But sometimes it represents a culture Right, and they're talking about things that's never been talked about before like snm or about, you know Transgender issues back in the 60s right about feeling, you know suicidal or whatnot, right? There's just you know, and um

The interpel is one of those bands that just it's just hit at a time where it was just like It was just it just fits, you know the culture and um, you guys are up there a man with them, you know, and um Thank you. You're welcome. You mentioned some bands earlier. I wanted to say that I mean, it's such an honor to be even considered in and because I know what you mean about the impact that those other bands That you mentioned had like on me for instance, so Paul, you know, though When you look in the mirror, you know You think I you know, you don't look in the mirror. People make it earlier. You know, people make assumptions. You get cilantro

I see What was it? What I I'm a big fan of cristalia. Yeah, I saw today actually I can't come to la without bumping into cristalia. Where are you so met the I just we Obviously frequent all the same coffee spots and gyms. Does he know who you are? I don't think so. No, we've never Oh, I've never been introduced. But you but you've you I always see him Like there's even some eye contact and you're just like, yeah, but you have verbal conversations with them. Never. No

Never met him. You're a you're a big fan of hip hop, right? Yes Which is what he could probably um, you know help you out with but yeah, because cristalia is you know, that there's a there's a Connection there. Yeah, I just think he's I think a great great comedian But he was in here and he like uh, he uh screamed at you in one episode that I am who I am in my head and it was a very I thought that was there a lot a lot was communicated there that yeah I relate to so what you presume when you say, you know, you look in the mirror and you know this I may not know shit, man, you know from and I'm kidding, of course because I you know when people

Come up to me and go I grew up watching you on mad tv or whatever. I go those pieces shit sketches Like I always downgrade it, but no, I mean some people think that I you know We're helpful for them, you know in terms of that time in their lives where there was like a weird looking asian guy Back in the 90s who couldn't get any pussy and all of a sudden on tv There's this crazy guy on saturday nights doing crazy shit. They go. Oh, I relate to that guy, you know I I mean I you know, but I don't when I look in the mirror. I just go. Hey, it's bob I don't think you can't like see your own charisma. I think that's I can't know. Yeah, but I don't know if anybody could Yeah, I mean you're right. That's interesting

Um, we would do an unhelpful advice. Well, I want to see are we all the way there at the end? We got some patreon questions. We have patreon questions Uh, let me just say this painting by the way is great I really like that painting. Oh, so is that fan art? Oh, yes. Yeah, so many painted that that's pretty, but also paul And I know that you're not good with You know You know, but I want to be your friend. I want to be friends with you. I think that the ping pong I'll give you that opportunity. He may never text you back, but in his mind, he's texting you back

Yeah, I want to grab some thank you. I want to grab some sort of information that I can get a whole of you I will give you my phone number and oh my god, that's are you gonna text him back though. I saw I thought yes That'd be so funny. Yeah, I'll post it. I'll post it like 50 cents if you don't reply Right, right. If he loves if he leaves you on red, please post that but you know, it's so funny before he even came on here Yeah, I googled some of his photos Yeah, it just I just you know And there was a kid photo of him. I'm gonna use that As his photo in your phone on my phone. I would like smiling with an earring kid photo or what?

No, you were like, you know in high school or something. I don't know what it is. Yeah, you know You don't want that photo. It's gonna be just on my phone when you call. It'll be your fucking thing Before we get to the patreon questions, I want to ask you a question. Uh top three sci-fi movies everyone has to watch Because I know I was uh At a boxing gym that I go to in LA today and uh sam rockwell was there. Mm-hmm. Do you know what movie? I'm gonna reference right now. Yep. Yes. I can I tell you can you tell me what moon? Yeah, bro. Love that I got to tell him once that like

What a film my friend. Wow. Have you ever got to tell an actor like what your favorite movie was and you kind of felt like that? They were like, yeah That was a good one. I know. Yeah. Yeah, I told call and feral in bruge was I love that movie. What a fucking movie and I kind of you know, maybe I'm projecting but I kind of felt like he was like Yeah, yeah, yeah, that wasn't good. He did it bad. Yeah. Yeah, I'm always afraid afraid to throw it out because I don't want people to You know, but I did with you with the you know, yeah No, but it's a funny thing to go up to like to a stranger Even if it's complimentary like I don't do that

Yeah, I'm not gonna go up to christalia because I don't just approach people that I don't know just to Compliment them. That's my personal. I always I always like it when people come up to me and compliment me I don't know why that the other way around. I should do that then because maybe it's unexpected or whatever It's not people like compliments. Okay. So moon moon for sure. Yeah Oh, shit I'm here the sci-fi sci-fi Well, you would have to say you would have to say just because of it's not like the most fun movie to watch the core But 2001 space, honestly, I mean you would have to say that you have to say that

But then someone else is gonna say I have to say like solaris and I don't Another thing that oh, um, I really love sunshine Oh, that was a good one. I love sunshine With the guy I saw like the same year I saw moon and I thought and I think they came out the same year It's your your guy from um Chris Evans, piki blinder, right? Silly and murphy or silly and murphy. Yeah, yeah, Chris Evans. Chris Evans. Yeah He's really good. Yeah. Yeah. I've never seen it. I have it on dvd. Yeah. Yeah, watch it But then here's another one that you would have to say just because it did so much as alien the first one

Of course, bro, right alien one or two, right? I mean, how about terminator one and terminator two? Yeah, you could see that's those two You know what I like about alien one And this is what I like about 70s actors like harry dean stanton Mm-hmm. You can't there's no actor now that looks like that That represents like even when he was in paris, texas like He just looks like an everyday man weathered, right? believable hang hang dog or was a hang. Yeah. Hey, what is that? Hang dog? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah

But he you know, but the alien is a great movie. It's all right. He's like the mechanic, right? Yeah. Yeah He gets eaten. Yeah, Ian Holm is in it too Okay, um, what else this question is from paolo zapatana. Uh-huh weirdest fan interaction good or bad When is it good or bad? No weirdest fan interaction whether it was a good experience or bad experience I don't know I gotta get my anecdotes ready Have you ever been attacked Uh, where you're like stage. I had somebody not not where I was concerned. No I had someone like jump up on stage and take a cigarette out of my mouth once

I'm generally kind of lost in the moment and I was like not really aware and so as long as You know what I mean? I wasn't yeah, I didn't get pushed over. So it's just sort of the moment came and went Um, I don't know like with women and stuff after shows like I'm sure People hit on you all the time. I mean that must be No, and I was going to say actually the early days were a little different And I think when you were you were kind of asking like when it when it happened How was how did it feel and the first tour where we were in a van and every show was kind of like Oh my god, today's sold out and then you drive in the van next place and oh my god, it's sold out

Yeah, that was an amazing period right that was a really really special moment Uh, and back then, you know, you would go out to like a fan's house and to an you know after parties with you know Just your fans and that that was a lot of fun. Oh my god, then you get to another kind of like level and um, you know It gets weird dudes run a lot of interference It also you don't I don't know yeah, I don't encounter a lot of girls hitting on me after shows now Yeah, I remember opening for pauli. Yeah, those were fun Because he brought out Just a wild back in the day

But my aunt I just as you get older you have just I have the headline. I have to You know, I mean, I woke up. I had to press it. There's too much going on now and also don't cheat So it's like, you know, I mean I have a beautiful woman home, you know But as a young man when you first when I first did live shows Those are so good They're so good stuff. I liked it. Yeah, how long do you go on the road when you go on the road? Well, I'll just do a weekend and like I'm going to Cincinnati this weekend two nights and I come home. Yeah, and then I don't do Cities like you guys do that must be a fucking hotel living is a is a thing. Yeah, two nights would be good

Be better. Why can't you guys do that? Then why can't you just do? You know one weekend you do show to show to cities that spend two weeks home and then do another weekend It's you know, there's like economics, okay? Because if you're going to have all your team available for you, that's right Then they can't take other work, you know, so you kind of got to like cram it all in as a comic I go by myself. Yeah, you imagine what they have to bring everything Yeah, right. You have a crew got a crew. Okay. Next question one more question From Mary Mordos. Do you have any guilty pleasure songs that you secretly listen to?

Um Nothing secret, you know, I got I'm not embarrassed about what I like Um But I don't know like uh, what's unexpected. Yeah Something new maybe I mean, they'll be like the odd katie perry song that I think is good Yeah, yep. Yeah, he's the same. Yeah, I'm the same. He recently discovered whitney houston very recently She's she was amazing. She was yeah, but you know what when you

You know when you grew up with punk Or alternative music. Yeah. Yeah, and when you and you hear whitney houston in an elevator You in your mind, you don't go. Oh, I gotta get this But then as you get older you start appreciating People that have the talent of their vocal chords Control. Yeah. I mean mariah. Mariah carry same deal. Yeah, same deal. Right. She can sing man But but Adele too. But before that before before in my 30s

I wouldn't know who anyone was because I didn't appreciate that. I appreciated like bands But it's like it was that's the mainstream and when you're growing up and you're into like any music, right? Obviously like no, I'm not Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's my parents music But yeah, yeah, yeah shade You know what I used to do is I wouldn't bought back when there was no, um, you know Internet whatever you had to buy CDs and I was living in san diego And I hid Sarah McLaughlin's surfacing

Underneath my bed Oh my god as a CD and then when all my roommates left I would pull that and and an enya album and lay there and listen to it. Enya is legit You know what we go on when we go on road trips. I love it He it's always a sarah mclaughlin. Um, just a frenzy. He plays like six songs in a row. He cries Yeah, yeah, what's her song because I think I bought that for my mom because Because she had a song that I thought was really really beautiful and I wonder if it's ice cream. No, it's um adia

Adia, is it adia? I would need a lyricker. You know how to sing it. Yeah, don't pretend like you don't know her entire I know but I've never said a fucking sarah mclaughlin song on pressure zone You're pressuring me into it. Yeah, if you gave me the lyrics if I looked at the lyrics, you know, I mean, I'll I'll sing it You know I'll get it. I'll fucking get it. You fucking assholes. You don't think I can sing it dude. I'll fucking sing it right now I don't give a fuck challenge. You want to challenge? I'm gonna challenge you right now. All right, so just say give me one second here adia adia sarah mclaughlin sarah mclaughlin lyrics there we go boom

Okay, hold on play the movie might play adia. I do believe I failed you I don't think it goes like that. How do I do it? I sing sing sing sing sing sing sing sing sing the pain part Yeah, what this one you start it. No, no, no. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This way so much pressure Oh, yeah, yeah, I got it. I got it because we were born innocent Believe me adia We are still innocent It's easy. We all falter Does it matter?

Yes, yes, yes, yes, that one. Right. Did I not hit a couple of the good notes? Was that the one your mom likes? No, that's not the one Will you stop me when I'm starting it Paul? I don't know man. Almost like you go the whole song Paul I was waiting to catch the hook Uh, that's not it then. No, that's not it. Yeah, okay. We'll try it sarah mclaughlin. Yeah Uh, how would you advise? Unhelpful advice. Unhelpful advice with bobby, kalayla and paul banks Hi guys, I'm a huge fan. I know this question seems pretty tame compared to some of the stuff you usually talk about But I had nobody else to turn to my My problem is that my girlfriend can't sing now. Usually this isn't such a big deal

But the problem is my girlfriend wants to be a professional singer She has a hard work and she's dedicated a lot of energy and time into practice and lessons She's also traditionally attractive Besides despite this she can never seem to get an opportunity to perform professionally and doesn't know why She thinks it's because she's a person of color, but the reality is she's completely tone deaf She spent money to get semi professional recordings of her herself and it still doesn't register I try to be as supportive as I can be and keep the shadow play to a minimum Should I just be straight up with her and ruin her dream or just stay out of it?

I just feel like she could use uh, she could be devoting her time and money to something more fruitful Wow His name is D I've done that with um, there was a stand-up That I I dated okay, and she was fucking terrible And for six months I would say Yeah, you're good. Just keep working and then one day. I just realized

She doesn't have it Any of it and I just got out of the situation, you know You know it's you got it. You can't support me to mediocrity. Can't blow wind up with somebody's ass and tell them that they're good Or do you think you lie? I mean, I don't know. I mean I would lie Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't I would never be comfortable, you know shitting on somebody's dream, but uh Yeah, but even paul, but just listen even if let's suppose they were absolutely tone deaf

And just had no business whatsoever. They don't know anything about songwriting Or anything I see what you're saying though He doesn't have to be the one to break the news at some point life might do that. Well, and I would say Yeah, life will like it probably if she's terrible, then it's just not really going to work out But he could also take, you know creative angles and say like, why don't we use, you know some autotune? Kids like it Yeah shadow play. Yeah. Yeah. Is that what do you mean? What is shadow play? I don't know if I've heard this I know well, there's a song called shadow play

And I don't know what it means from the song, but I use it, you know in terminologies, you know And to me I just made up the meaning of the word So the meaning to me is doing stuff. That's kind of lying but not blatant but not blatant lying Helping someone out in a subtle lie Right. Okay. Can it also be like being manipulative though a little bit. Yes, but white white minute like being just kind of like It's not your intentions aren't You know awful or bad. You're just being playful. Yeah, but you have to do it

You have to do shadow play in many circumstances in life. Autotune shadow play. Yeah, autotune I was kind of like at my why do I not know this term? I know why made it up. Yeah. I mean, I um Isn't that that's a joy division song right shadow play? Yes Yeah, I don't know as much as I should know. Yeah, but But when you listen to the lyrics, you don't know what the fuck he's talking about. Right. So I just used it. It's a great term Yeah, no, I really like this term. Yeah. Yeah, I'll propagate that and credit you. Yeah Yeah, but uh, I also just kind of I don't even identify with the impulse that this guy's having To kind of like I don't know, you know, I feel like if someone is happy and they're your partner

I feel like if if you desperately need them to be making money to help support like a child You have then then you might have to give them tough love about like this is not practical You're not gonna make money doing that But if this is something that's making this, you know, girl happy Then I think you should just be encouraging and not like like what's what's your beef But um, what about for you were when you found out that the girl didn't have it in comedy did that turn you off? That her lack of talent turn you off But her perseverance. Well, it was it was an unrequited situation. Oh, okay. Well, that doesn't count. She wouldn't fuck me

You said she was your girlfriend. Well, I yeah, I thought she was Well, I can I want to say I can bless her name out right now Don't do that. I'm not gonna do it Don't but she was the one also that I took to that fox party and she gave her a business card That one to the president of fox. I'm like what the fuck you doing you fucking crazy, bitch. Yeah Yeah, I don't I mean You don't you don't agree with you a date to a fucking fox party and she leaves the table and goes to the president of fox Go, I'm gonna I'm a comedian too. That's embarrassing. That's my headshot right and she's like who the fuck are you?

Yeah, and then I dragged her from the table and I go. I'm so sorry Right now, Greg. This is not how you make it. Yeah, yeah, you get an agent and you Do the tonight show, you know, and then eventually people ask you to do shit Did you ever watch um The episode where joe rogan was talking to brennan schaub. Are you a joe rogan fan? I love joe. Yeah, so he the When he told brennan to not be in the ufc anymore. Oh, yeah That was intense. That was really I was like comfortable. Yeah, and then what did brennan say? He took it really well if I remember

But yeah, joe was just kind of like I saw you last fight and I don't think you have this Like I don't think you have this mentally. I think was the gist he was saying and it was really tough love But it came across as the good kind like it seemed like very good loving life advice to his body And obviously it's like things have gone very well for brennan sister. Yeah, and also, yeah, that's that's a very costly sport too You know where it's um, it would it would warrant that kind of conversation where you're like, hey, dude your life's on the line Maybe consider not getting your brain bashed in anymore. So I just got goosebumps when you said that Because I didn't realize that that conversation had happened I don't know brennan schaub from ufc

I know brennan schaub as a comedian And he's good. He's good, huh? Right? He's getting better He the other day he pulled up in his brand new Porsche You know, I'm being this is just listen. Why are you cackling me? All right, he pulled up to the comedy store And you know, usually comics when they pull up the comic store, you can't park there only The best park there Like I parked there

Rogan parks there, you know delia we all get to park there But brennan just went right in got out of the car and they all you know god They you know, like he's a part of it. And in my head, I I do know that brennan was a fighter I never saw his fights, but it's so crazy to think That he reinvented himself. Yeah by doing something else and joe probably saved his life And that's when you when you said that I got fucking goosebumps And joe probably also saw a bunch of other things that he was capable of doing Because I I bet you anything if it was a guy who didn't have a lot of other types of potential

Yeah, and it was just this like Raw fighter and that's really all he had going, you know, you'd be a little bit more Cautious to tell him to stop making a living Yeah, but he probably saw brennan as someone funny and you know good on a mic and all these things that he is now I I don't know why And I and I'm sure joe's gonna hear about it because I'm gonna say this now But I Can I'm so still

So intimidated by him in a in a way When I see him, he always says hi. He always hugs me One time he kissed me in the cheek Right. I've heard him talk about me on his podcast like people give me clips. Yeah I hope I he I saw bobby lee there and I he said Killed it in the or you know, so there's no I mean we're friends But there is just some because of the fact that You know, it's either he's an alpha male and I'm not

or He was a headliner when I started, but there's something going on psychologically that when I'm around him I'm aware that I'm around him. I'm not like that with dana carvey or anybody else like anyone big It's him and mark baron is the same way Is it alpha or is it just that he's very comfortable on his own skin? Wow, I don't think yeah, I don't think he's nice. He's a very know-it-man. He's a very brilliant intelligent guy. He's very smart Yeah, and I think maybe you think he's always going to have something back to say to you if you were to like misspeak maybe no That's not what it is either. Do you have someone in your life that you feel that same way about where you're like, whoa

I don't know why I mean he's a peer of mine, but you have that reverence like I've had it Yeah, I don't have it that I can think of right now, but I've definitely had it. Yeah, okay good Yeah, like looking up to somebody and I think it was it was uncomfortable at the time to be that sort of in awe of a peer Yeah But then I resolved it. Yeah, I think you just have to you know, love yourself and love them Right, you know, it's getting better. I'm not saying I mean because before I couldn't say anything. Yeah, like 15 years ago I would be like, oh, yeah, okay But it's so funny that you say that because you guys have such like you've had bonding

Experiences with Joe where you almost got killed at the strip club together. I know I know I know I know I know I've heard about that Yeah, I've had that's because you were and it was you it was him. Yeah, that's a good story Was it was you not that you were inadvertently generating the the danger And Joe was like They have guns and you're like, I don't give a fuck I know that part right, but I know but you know, I first of all, can I just say this I was I'm 47. I must have been 25 years old When that happened I was and also if you see photos of me at 25, I look like I'm 11

Dude hellboy What's the scene the new one coming out? Yeah, what's the scene did you go this scene? No, no, have you seen it? I went Do you like it? um I'd love the actor. Love him. Oh, I love the guy from stranger things. Yeah. Yeah great great actor And he was in a great movie called a walk among the tombstones with Liam Neeson Um, that's a good kind of noirie Liam Neeson movie after you know taken after that

He's been doing all these kind of movies also his last one that he fucked up and when he was promoting it and he said that That movie he's promoting it's fucking awesome cold pursuit Yeah, well, I mean that's um Hmm No, no, they've got no relation But you know my feelings on what he said in that interview, you know, I don't know that's that's a nuanced thing I don't uh Yeah, as a sound bite terrible. Yeah, that's what I think what I think is in his heart

Not bad at all. Right. And I I've done days where I've done too many interviews and like some filter fucking breaks And you just say crazy shit. That's us every day. Yeah, but I love that about your podcast Yeah, I mean to reciprocate a little bit of the fandom. I think it's uh Like the candor and the honesty that goes on on on this show is just really I think it's uh Something that I really enjoy and that I think enriches me and I think that's part of what, you know, why whatever you're doing right now, man It's a really beautiful thing. Yeah. Oh my god. Don't I hate compliments, but oh my god. Thank you. Yeah, look at him though Thank you. Paul. Thank you. And I also um You know, I want to say something back the last thing I want to say is is that um

My defeat your defeat, you know, no, I'm not I you have skills. Thank you. I appreciate and I do believe right in any given moment You can win. Wow. All right, handedly. Okay So when you know, we're gonna get information right next time you how long you in LA for right now? I leave tomorrow We go to Denver to start tour. Oh, you are. Yeah. Yeah. Where would you play ping pong in LA? We're gonna Hyundai. Well, there's a in a korea town. Yeah during the day There is a place called Hyundai's screen spa, but above is this big ping pong facility People really show up like decked out like Olympians there. Yeah, like with the out there serious But we're gonna get a new house and when I get the new house, I'm gonna set up a full-blown thing

Cool. Congratulations on getting a new house. That's exciting. Thank you, Paul Um, you know, I you know ask Claude. I was really kind of nervous about having him here I was I was so I was pacing I was really pacing, but let me say something He took his shirt into his underwear Yeah, I was to fucking do that I was fucking do that. I was fucking do that But the thing is is that but I'm telling you right now, dude, we are gonna have him back

Yes, yes, number one and number two if you ever need anything, right anything plug you come to tigerbelly when you're in LA Okay, your family here. Okay. Give him a round of applause everybody. It was fucking great. Hey everyone. Wow, Paul Banks and bobby lee what a combination, huh? That was exciting. He was so nervous before he came out to me George Freaking out I know then he was like, I gotta be in the room. No, I gotta be in the living room No, I gotta be in the podcast room and then he runs back to the Um to our bedroom and then he tucks his shirt And usually he just tucks it into his pants, but he tucked it so tight into his underwear that it came out the bottom in

A shirt you can see the shirt like come through the leg part of the underwear I was like, oh, yeah, he's nervous his nerves are set in I don't think he's been this nervous before he's definitely been nervous certain guests, but not like it is because this is special Right, this is everything that's come full circle for him. You know how bobby believes in manifestation Yeah, so for him, this is something that he feels like he manifested by just saying yes to going to san diego To watch inner pole to having you know enough Enough confidence to ask for a photo

And then the whole ping-pong thing, you know, that was we went home after bobby won those two games And I've never seen him on such a high. He was like that possibly as was the greatest night of my life. Love it Because he didn't fail He was able to make a connection with someone who he admires And then he didn't make a fool of himself He didn't stay long enough to make a fool of himself and then he just took off And I remember we were just riding this high

And the the next three days after that you're like, can you believe that happened? Can you believe that and I still have a picture? I posted it in my poster and I posted um of inner pole and me I cut out bobby He looked a little too fucking happy in the photo like kind of kill the vibe kill the vibe a bit. Yeah. Yeah Oh man, also Paul said the sotras papaya So many clips so many clips so many clips for this. Thank you, paul Um guys, uh, if you want to email us any unhelpful, let's uh, let's promote his album real quick. Oh, yes

What is that? Uh fine mess his ep will be coming out may 17th. So make sure you check that out We'll put it on the on description. Yeah, we'll put it in the description guys But he came to promote that and then he was like, oh, yeah We wrap it went so quick that uh, I forgot to promote the thing I came on. We should remind We should remind people. Yeah, if they want, you know, I mean, hey, I think bobby usually does that though at the end Hey, we want to promote but he gets he gets get nervous. I felt like we were more on friend mode. So we forgot Yeah, for sure You know, like if it didn't feel like a business transaction, it felt more like, oh, yeah, this is the right podcast guest

Yeah, you know, damn. He's the vibe was on so cool. So help our first new best friend paul banks With Yeah, may 17. It's hard to top the feeling, you know, yeah, that's tough Um guys, but yes, uh, if you want emails any unhelpful advice, uh, you can do it at our new email Which is adviceunhelpful at gmail.com and thanks to everyone who wrote us itunes reviews last week We appreciate it and just like how paul bank says it. No, so trust but buy it to you my friends Uh, because if you haven't left us a review, uh, george will lose his mind and go crazy Church is too friendly for that. I'm just kidding. Um

Um, any thoughts on game of thrones? Oh my god, we didn't even talk about that just a brief overview Maybe we'll talk about it. Um Spoiler alert then let's uh, I'm not gonna say anything just general. Yeah, all I'm all I'm tired of are Fucking naysayers and joy suckers. Who's that? Bobby Lee. Oh Because when while we're watching it we're We're crying

We're celebrating we're mourning. We're going through the entire gamut of emotions We're doing it all and when when when the credits roll we're hugging each other and we were like that was a masterpiece But then he gets easily swayed. He goes into the interwebs and he starts reading things about and then now he thinks He has to critique it as well. And I think that just sucks the joy out of just the viewing experience Here's a here's the thing that I've spent like the last fucking 10 years of my life eight years of my life watching At this point. I've been happy with everything they've put out So what if this should have been this or that I don't care. It's how I felt right and we felt amazing

Wornful but amazing after last night's episode He came in like naysaying because he wanted to and then he couldn't help but like sucked into like The hype and just started to get like slowly got excited again like through talking about it Yeah, he was like he came in wanting to be the naysayer and then just slowly like we kept on talking and he was like It was so good though, right? There's any Yeah, and you know we watched it again like two more times last night And I think he just gets really swayed by people's like pessimism and it's like god god just enjoy something for For for for what you experience and felt at that moment. Who cares what it what the internet says? Yeah

You know Joy sucker Sounds like a game of thrones. So All right, we said the joy sucker stop being a joy sucker That's what he is and then the whole before we started the before paul banks got here He did you not hear him? I'm not a joy sucker I'm not a joy sucker I'm like you're a joy sucker

And then we were fighting about that and then he was getting it was just a weird energy here before All of that happened. Yeah, I've never seen bobby like that before well paul banks did it. So um, oh guys, um, please go see The slept king at funny bone liberty funny bone and Cincinnati this weekend Yeah in the week after I believe two weeks after I yeah two weeks from now He is at the tempi improv. So make sure you go to bobbyleelive.com for more dates and ticket links Absolutely, and guys, um, a lot of you probably saw this post on bobby's instagram Uh about uh a wanted poster or a flyer that was posted outside

Uh their home Um, you're probably like wow, what does all that mean? Well bobby and claud explain all the drama behind that on our patreon Uh, so if you want to take a listen to that you can head over to patreon.com slash tigerbelly But we felt like this is a story that needs to be shared with the masses So, I mean, yes, but there's also some parts where I'm like, why did I reveal that about myself? Basically claud, what's that like? She reveals her true colors as a hood rat How do I have to be a hood rat? Why can't I just been been like a regular like, you know, want to be gangbangers?

She's a gangbanger you're gonna see the real, but no, I want to be I wasn't a real gangbanger And I wasn't a real tagger It was just me trying to like assimilate into american culture as a fucking young filipino kid And I was like what what are these kids doing? Oh, shit. I have good handwriting. I want to tag some shit up too Damn you dropping bars right now It's not like you're dropping bars I'm a young filipino kid coming over here to pasadena I'm trying to tag these trees people stopping me the man is stopping you forgot the word assimilate

I was like why you wanted to get into tagging is like I've got really good handwriting These guys they're handwriting. Ah, not as good. I've got better handwriting. It's true because like even You know, like I can write alibata. I can write like calligraphy really well. I have really good, um Penmanship it's something that you're taught in the Philippines. So I was like, why don't I put my good skills to use? You have to become a tagger and fucking be a wannabe, you know tagger and so yes, go listen to the patreon and um I'm where I Reveal things like a completely regret because I've been getting so many messages about it. I'm like, why did I reveal that?

for everybody watching the youtube, uh, we released this on the uh, the main, uh, Tiger rally feed on audio. So all your platforms. Yeah, you could listen to the except for youtube Except for youtube. So you have to go to the audio platform where we released it for free. Yes Even though it's a patreon, just if you're like scrolling that it makes it makes sense if you're scrolling that episode is called as patreon Oh, yeah, patreon episode. It's entitled. Uh, bobby lee is wanted and the reason we're telling you about that is because We are all there's a new merch drop But it's going to be a very quick turnaround and the way this is going to work is uh, we're turning that uh flyer into a shirt Uh, and you can hear why we are doing that on the podcast call call a certain emotions about let me tell you something

I this merch is going to go really fast Yeah, and I think this is such a classic tiger belly story and it's so on brand with bobby. So please If you listen to the patreon and when that shirt drops get your hands on it immediately because um, I think to me it's going to be my favorite shirt to date. It's pretty insane. It's very meaningful to me It has deep meaning for me. A lot of charged emotion there. Um, so yeah, so announcement right now to all of you listeners This wednesday, is that the new one? I was like, let me get this out. Let me get this out So this wednesday if you're listening or watching on youtube, you'll probably be seeing it on youtube the day after But may first we are opening the window uh for to purchase this shirt. So you can go to the tiger belly

Dot i'm trying to get this information out spin it out. It's gonna be at the tiger belly dot com The way it's gonna work is we're gonna be open for seven days George, how long is the store going to be open repeat seven days. So may first to what? Uh, hey, come on. Good. It was a test to make sure everyone's everyone Good. So keep that in mind. You have seven days to place an order on the shirt and the shirts will not get Uh, get you right away because we're gonna print them literally this week. Uh, so Yeah, if you if anyone all right, it will not sell out because it's um, uh, what do you call it? Basically you have seven days We're gonna leave the store open seven days pre-order. Uh, and then if you order one, you'll get the shirt

But after that seven days, it shuts down. So make sure you go online to the tiger belly dot com on may first And get a shirt. Cool. Uh, anyone else any shout outs I want to talk about what you were laughing about when I was telling this love I want to do a shout out to whoever made that flyer Yeah, let me find it really there's a someone superimposed bobby's face into pablo eskibar's mug shot And it's and it changed the information of the flyer here. Let me see it This is plata o caca Is that a plata o plomo?

Oh my gosh, george. Where can we follow you on the social george underscore kimmel Clila, where can people follow at calamity k? Hey, brice. Where can people follow you? Yep, that's it. Marius. How like it for all things, uh, bobby league can go at bobby lee lie or bobby lee live dot com and You know what? I'll throw my handle out there at kill bits So yeah, shout out to uh, uh reddit user rexie one two three three four four for uh making the bobby as pablo eskibar poster It's not gonna show up because it's

But I was gonna read it, but uh, you know, it's uh Yeah Okay, it's pretty I'm not a professional actor I'm gonna post this to um our tiger belly instagram. Okay, you can see it yesterday on our tiger belly instagram Yeah, I'm gonna post it so I don't have to read it. Definitely. Um, that is so fucking funny though. That's funny. All right guys That's our show. Hope you enjoyed the dead air Uh, and uh, have a good night. Bye

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