Timcast IRL - Ben Zeisloft & Mario Nawfal Uncensored: Court Rules Meme LEGAL, BLOCKS Newsoms Meme Ban

Episode Date: October 6, 2024

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Welcome to our special weekend show, Sunday Uncensored. Every week we produce four uncensored episodes of the TimCast IRL podcast exclusively at TimCast.com and we're going to bring you the most important for our weekend show. If you want to check out more segments just like this, become a member at TimCast.com. Now enjoy the show. So let's start with this. Now, enjoy the name. You know that one? I've heard it because it gets used on TikTok and Reels videos a lot. Oh, maybe I've heard it, but I don't know it. Yeah.

So Sabrina Carpenter has like 50 songs on the How 100. Not 50, but like, holy shit, like 17. And ask yourself this question. Obviously, younger people are going to be like, I know who that is. Uncensored. Uncensored. There we go. Why do they decide that Sabrina Carpenter is going to have all her songs on rotation in the digital streaming playlists? It's completely rigged.

So Together Again should have been in the Hot 100. We thought it was our biggest release ever. We used a certified third-party reseller. So we had a website set up that was really easy for people to buy the song. Sold 35, 35 000 10 million streams and all that and they were like nah that doesn't count yeah that was a huge release i remember it it's got six point a million on on uh on the youtube video music video it's got two point something million on the lyric video it's got i don't know several hundred thousand on on

spotify but they they decide if you are not part of these networks and you are not in the machine, they're gonna just put in, it's all fake. It's all completely fake. There's only a limited space and they don't want, they wanna make sure, like fuck all, they're gonna allow me to go and put on a music that's like Trump is better.

You know what I mean? Never gonna happen. And so now the problem we're facing is that people who go to buy the song on iTunes are getting redirected to Apple Music where they don't buy it and they have no idea what the difference is. Amazon says, we may not track your sales at all. And those are the only two certified sellers left.

We are now at the point where I think we've hit it. And I said, I thought this was going to happen. And it's our fault. And I'm proud to say it. Two years ago, when we released our songs, very few people were doing this. Tom McDonald was doing it, releasing a song and saying, hey, if you're a fan, buy my music. And people would. And they were doing everything to keep Tom McDonald off. He should have a Hot 100 every time he puts a song out, because we can look at the ratings. We know for sure. And we put out a song

and we hit all these charts. And then the media got fucking pissed. And these people at Billboard got fucking pissed. We know it. So the next time we put out a song, they're asking questions like, how are you doing this? How are you getting these sales? What's going on? And we're like, our fans are buying it. We put out Together again. And we were like, they keep arguing for why it's not good enough or whatever.

They said that our certified third-party song Resailer didn't count. Deleted. Like, said we're not going to count those. And your sales are actually, you know, only 8,000 or whatever. So then we only get like number nine on digital sales. And we get like emerging artists. Which is still a charting song. But we're not going to get Hot 100, which is the official billboard printed top 100 songs that were released.

We're selling more singles than most of these people. When we released it, we were number one on Amazon and iTunes. Number one on these releases. And so we got to come out and say our new song is number one on iTunes. And then people make excuses. Who cares? Fuck iTunes. It's old.

And we're like, we're selling bigger than every other artist. What, you mean to tell me that Shabuzy can't sell? That we're outselling her? These artists don't want to make money on their music? Bullshit. Well, I think it's, I'm proud to say

that I think right now they've officially put the knife in the back of iTunes and it's looking like they're going to try and say iTunes is no good either. So we'll see. But the machine has been rigged

and let's just say the institutions that are controlled by the left do not want to let them go. And music, movies, and the arts are their path to manipulating young people and that's why wet ass pussy and other bullshit ass music that tells young kids to be degenerates are constantly in the top 100 because it's fucking rigged but anyway the good news is memes are legal again yay hey with your outlet do you cover a lot of culture i mean i know you obviously have a specific christian bent but like do you find that there is a counter to what mainstream uh

entertainment outlets are putting out yeah we don't do so much culture um but i mean yeah there's definitely that hunger for the parallel economy so i i write mostly about business economics just what i'm writing for the sites um but there's definitely a hunger and thirst for we need people who don't hate us to buy our products from. But I mean, it's true across all institutions, like Tim was saying. I mean, he's telling me for the first time tonight about this song charts phenomenon. But whether it's books, whether it's movies, it's all raised against people who are outside the system. They need those avenues to pump just smut into the culture. Yeah, well, that's why independent media is doing so well. That's why independent journalists are doing so well. outside the system, they need those avenues to pump just smut into the culture.

Yeah, well, that's why independent media is doing so well. That's why independent journalists are doing so well. I think the more the system puts other things above just capitalism, it's going to backfire on them. That's what we saw with social media platforms and mainstream media. Mainstream media put money and political biases ahead of what the truth is and the trust for their audience. And look at where mainstream media is today. Same is going to happen to the billboards.

How many people trust the billboards now compared to 10 years ago? And that's going to continue to drop because other factors are playing a role, in this case, political biases. I feel like that's the same for movies, movie reviews. Everything. Nobody cares about the critics. Critics can say all they want because we don't believe them. We don't trust them.

We go by the audience score. I keep seeing these alternatives to the Ivy League colleges list, which I find really fascinating. Like for so long, basically it was like U.S. News and World Report and a couple others that ranked these American colleges. And American colleges are some of the most elite in the world. And now that they're starting to be like, well, but there are other colleges that potentially could be better or for whatever reason, like there is a shift away from this ranking system,

whether it be in education or entertainment that has been around for a long time. I think those companies are not understanding. Like I spoke to some executives. I remember an executive came to me from one of those big mainstream media companies and is trying to understand how we do it and how people do it, other journalists do it on platforms like X.

And I told him, I said, guys, you just did not value the importance of trust. And you've given up trust year after year for money and other biases. And you're at a stage right now where it's going to be impossible to rebuild it again. For real. It's a point of no return. And they're asking for advice. He's genuine guy like he he agreed with me i remember

the discussion very very genuine guy he was asking me like what do i recommend i i thought about it i thought i told him look i really don't think it's possible i think it makes more it makes more sense more financial sense to build a whole new brand unrelated to whatever network that's i'm not going to name it the network unrelated to your network because rebuilding trust does not make economic sense and that's how bad it's become and i think other companies should really wake up before it's too late for them as well so you think if a brand has an established reputation there's no way to move away from it in terms of journalism no redemption no. If you've broken trust for so long, it's very, very hard

to build trust. It's very easy to break it. Yes. And then rebuilding it, it's like in a relationship. If you cheat on your spouse, I like to use that example even though it triggers people.

If you cheat on your spouse, regaining that trust is almost impossible. That's why breaking trust when it comes to human nature is one of the worst things you could do in business. This came up during the debate last night where there was this extended

conversation about the experts. Yes, they were asking that was basically the tool they used to shut Vance up about, I think it was climate, I can't remember what they were talking about, but what will these experts say? And then Vance was kind of like, well, it doesn't matter what they say. This is what's true. This is what everybody knows is true.

I agreed with him. Yeah, that's right. He was talking about the economic stuff he said they predicted all of these things and they were all wrong for decades later oh that's right yeah yeah but it's it's this credentialism and you know if you have the right college or something on your resume then you're just you're good to go you're an expert you're in this anointed class of high priests who can decide how society runs these philosopher kings but you know over the past four years with COVID and with BLM and all the rest, all those institutions are just completely crumbled in terms of credibility. There's inertia that they have because they're so big and powerful, but it's going to end in the next 10 years.

I think it's interesting that the turn away from mainstream entertainment and mainstream news outlets happens at the same time, right? I mean, people are looking to YouTube or to Rumble or whatever for entertainment as well as news. They know that these mainstream outlets are not supplying them with something that they're happy with. And I mean, I feel like that's a basic tenet of capitalism. People feel like they are not getting what they are looking for.

They want to go elsewhere and they will take their dollars and their eyes, which is really the advertising revenue with them. Patrick, but David was talking about this a few days ago and he articulated it really well. He was like very emotional. He's like, you know, people on the right, I blame you. Don't dare complain because people on the left realized how impactful it is to use their leverage and their money.

You know, he's talking about the Soros thing, the Soros acquisition of Odyssey, the radio stations over 200. Right. And I dug deep into this. I was with the commissioner yesterday talking about it. And what Patrick, what David said is like, I don't feel any sympathy to the right because you had your chance to do the same thing. You had your chance to acquire those companies, balance it out.

And you did not take that opportunity. And here we are. So that's why people on the left have more influence over these institutions. Some people say it's ideological. I think it's just they kind of made the first move and they capitalized on it. So now people on the right are just trying to play catch up. It's just too hard. But I think that we'll slowly see that shift more to balance because if you look at other countries because obviously I cover a lot of countries if you look at Brazil and where people again the

government now is left-leaning prior to that is a right-leaning government and Elon made that very clear the Bolsonaro government I've had Bolsonaro on my show the president and when he was president he was accused of the same thing of censoring as well um so I think it's um from my end as someone that tries to take any political stance, it is a systemic issue. And if you want to get political, a political party should either do the right thing and not capitalize on it. But then if the other party capitalizes on it, then you're left at a pretty severe disadvantage, as we're seeing right now. And that's all aspects of everything that's going on. Every single thing.

We're behind the curve on everything. And I guess into more concerning parts, which is the pillars of the democracy free speech being one of them and the electoral system the the trust and the process of electing the president of this country and when that gets abused if and when that gets abused that's getting to very dangerous territory that's why i think covid was a blessing and a curse because the blessing part, it got so many folks to open up and pay attention to see what's going on, how dirty they are. Curses, folks died, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Sorry.

It was a terrible situation, but overall, overall, it's going to be better for the country and the nation down the road. I think American voters are very different than they were in 2020 because of the experience they had during COVID in the several years afterwards. I mean, when did they really start lifting all of the social gathering restrictions? I felt like that was really in 2021. And then we had several years of, you know, I wouldn't say economic recovery, but economic fallout. And so the people who had a belief in one type of America and one type of

society before 2020 are not the same. And I think you're seeing that in sort of the way they respond to Joe Biden and the way they're responding to Harris and to Trump to a certain extent. They need to be earned in a way that they didn't have to before because they feel like their trust has been broken, like their eyes have been, you know, the scales have fallen from their eyes, and they're looking at this country that they don't know that they want to continue down the path it's on. Yeah, it's crazy because, I mean, you would expect that the fact that we were all locked in our homes for months, if not years, you know, depending on where you live in the country. That's not a top of the line issue in 2024 in the election.

I think, you know, even in 2020, I don't think it had that big of an effect. I think there were certainly people who woke up and didn't like the fact that we were being hit with mandates and vaccines. Although the vaccine stuff didn't really start at that point in November 2020. But it's crazy that, you know, if you look at the list of the top 10 voter concerns, you know, COVID tyranny is not even close to it or even vaccines even. Yeah. It's interesting because in 2020, we hadn't been in the lockdown phase of it for that long. I mean, we did feel the effects. There were so many people who were devastated just by that short amount of time. But between March and November, it's relatively small compared to March of 2020 to December of 2021. And I think that the tyranny is at the back of everyone's minds because they have to shift back to the current crisis, which is economic. I mean, everyone felt the pressure of potentially losing work or layoffs that came with COVID.

But now they're continuing to feel the pressure of not being able to afford groceries. Fewer people are being pressured into maybe taking vaccines to keep their jobs. It's not that it couldn't happen again. They should be fearful of it, but you know. Yeah, I think everything we're seeing is like, we're slowly tiptoeing blindly. There's a very good quote. I'll try to find it afterwards. Into a very scary tipping point. That's across multiple things. So from the censorship perspective, people are starting to wake up to it now. But we're starting to wake up to how much control

these social media companies, mainstream media, but less so, social media companies have over our speech. At the press of a button, they can completely cancel somebody. That's number one. Number two,

from an economic perspective, US debt. No one's talking about it. Why? Because they're focusing on short-term factors rather than the long-term impact of US debt. No one's talking about it. Why? Because they're focusing on short-term factors rather than the long-term impact of that debt. Eventually that's got to end. How's it going to end? And then

thirdly is obviously from a geopolitical perspective is that it was unimaginable a few years ago that the US was close to being directly involved. US weapons are being used by Ukraine to attack Russian territory. That is something that would have been unimaginable

if someone mentioned it a few years ago, you'd be looked at as a crazy person. Yet now it's the norm and no one's even paying attention to it. So I feel like across the board, people are ignoring. And then the threat, there was an event a few days ago

called Rescue the Republic. Rescue the Republic, you know what that means? Like we're doing events calling Rescue Our Democracy. Rescue the system that allows this country to operate. The pinnacle of all democracies. I just think people are underplaying, maybe out of exhaustion. They're underplaying the dangerous path we're slowly heading into. Just blindly heading into.

Well, we know it's happening. Like we know it's happening. A lot of folks watching know it's happening. But at this point, it's happening like we know it's happening a lot of folks watching know it's happening but at this point it's just like whatever i mean like we hope it we want it to win we want to rescue it but it's it's kind of like a it's like a meme now like oh we got to stop the authoritarians or we could be the authoritarians who knows uh but it doesn't yeah like you said it's not that big of a deal, even though it's a huge, actual, ginormous, huge, what could happen? The president was almost killed. Yeah.

The president was almost killed just a few weeks ago. But Americans are numb. I mean, this is becoming a problem. They are numb to the fear. They're numb to the news. I mean, you especially must be aware of this because it's not even a 24-hour news cycle. It's like a 12-hour news cycle right now. Yeah, absolutely.

And I think that it's just for some people who are not, it's not that they don't have strong values. It's just that it's not where they can spend their time. They are more likely to be like, I just can't keep up, so I'm not going to partake. I remember when talking, because I've covered the Gaza war significantly. And I remember in the early days when I'm covering it, I always say, look, the big red line, if it's Hezbollah in Israel, the Hezbollah is the abolition in Lebanon, if they get into direct war, that's a big red line. Everyone, hopefully they don't cross that line. Unimaginable what happens next. That's a scary red line.

Look what happened now. Israel is inside that many territory and they're just bombing each other and Hezbollah is pretty much wiped out. And that took like a year? A year later, it happened within days everyone now has become the norm now um the biggest red line is iran and israel would never be at war iran now twice struck israeli territory and waiting for israel to retaliate so it feels like i don't know what part of human nature that is you know i'll probably you know i was with dr godside and he talks about it. He calls it the parasitic mind. He explains it from a more philosophical perspective or more evolutionary perspective, sorry.

But it's just fascinating to me how people just move on from things that wouldn't have been imaginable right now. The world we live in today compared to the world we lived in five years ago or 10 years ago is light and day. that's concerning to me absolutely yeah so us being a small team at the sentinel i usually schedule email content you know a few days in advance we have our main site the sentinel we have gun pulse which is a a newsletter uh email newsletter about

second amendment politics usually in the states we've got woke wars which is satirical we've got a couple others but i remember after the second assassination attempt with Trump at the golf course, I was trying to figure out where to place it in the schedule. I'm like, I have to like move everything around because like literally tomorrow there could be another one. This is the first I've ever had that experience. You know, I've been working for news organizations for about four years now since I was halfway through college.

But yeah, I've never seen a news cycle this short. And of course, we're in the middle of an election year. But even just with things happening around the world anything could happen at any point and the problem is that we're we're susceptible and i admit it like i do shows based on what the audience wants like the numbers if audiences don't care about a certain topic i don't cover like in the early days of the war is 24 7 about the gaza war now before the what happened in lebanon and now with iran and we barely do any spaces on any shows, video or audio on the war in Gaza because people just have moved on.

On a positive note, people are caring about the right thing and that's stopping the wars and focusing on the economy. I'm an optimist, by the way. I'm kind of ringing the alarm right now, sounding the alarm right now. I'm an optimist on the legal system in the US, on the American democracy. And I still think the legal system is one of the strongest in the world, despite the issues that we're all seeing. But yeah, that's a positive note,

that the American people are focusing on the economy and they want to just get out of all these wars. That's it. We're done with all this stuff. I know we've got to go to callers, but just someone brought up in the chat, it makes sense that the younger generations are under the impression that this politics is supposed to be

this kind of back and forth and it's kind of It's been this way their whole lives. It's the part that they're remembering. Yes, which is insane. And it makes me wonder I feel like I'm going to spend a long time looking at numbers tomorrow of how did the 18 to 24 year olds

respond to the debate last night, which is unlike any debate that they would have been watching when they were in elementary school, middle school, coming down the pike. But it does remind our, you know, maybe grandparents of how debates used to go, for better or for worse.

I don't know if it's a good thing, the younger people being just complete apathy on their behalf when it comes to politics, geopolitics, et cetera. I just want to move on. Tim, can I tell the story quickly about the assassination when you were at the casino? Oh, yeah, of course.

Tim almost got assassinated at a casino? No, no, no. The most of the reaction was... Stop writing straight questions. I've told the story a million times. Yeah, that was crazy. So your audience knows about the story, how you were in the casino,

the assassination happened, and people just moved on. He wasn't playing on TV. No one talked about it. Went to the dinner afterwards, and the waitress had no idea about it. And didn't care. Nobody cared. That's crazy. I'm sitting at the poker table and I see

I get the alert on my phone and I pop the video and no one knows what happened yet if Trump's okay. Like, it just happened. My phone's blowing up with everyone telling me there's a state rep to my left. I look at him and I'm like, did you see this? And he's like, I just saw it. Because we're paying attention. And everyone else at the table is just like, throwing their chips out. And then I was like, just shot donald trump and they went huh

tvs kept playing sports an hour later i go to uh dinner and i say to the hostess she's getting she's getting the menus ready i was like just quick question did you know that donald trump was just shot nearly killed and she's like oh wow i had no idea anyway right this way to your seat and i'm like i kind of feel like if I was the owner of this casino, I would have instructed all the TVs to be changed to the news. I would have said, ladies and gentlemen, we are suspending gaming for the next half an hour until we can figure out what's going on. There was an assassination attempt on Donald Trump. He was shot in the side of the head. As we're waiting these details, we think it would be important if everyone remained calm, pay attention to what's going on in this country, and we'll let you know if we have updates.

Sure, a lot of people are going to be pissed off. They'll be like, I don't care about politics. I don't want to blah, blah, blah. But I think that's what should have happened. But nobody gave a shit. And all those people are going to be able to vote. They have the exact same number of votes as you do in the fall. Hey, fuck.

Yeah, that's just terrible. I hate ignorant people who don't pay attention to anything, have no fucking right to vote, even if they don't have any idea what they're talking about, it's disgusting and disgraceful. As George Washington says it, kind of going back to free speech, that's the quote I was talking about earlier. If the freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led like sheep to the slaughter. Indeed. Should we go to callers? We'll start with Sammy.

What is up? Sammy football. Sammy of Florida, you are on the show. Sammy ghosting us? I am so sorry. I was not expecting to be first. My apologies. How are you guys doing?

My question is for Raymond. Not actually, I just wanted to say that. He's one of us. He just made his night and it's for everybody. I was like, wow, what's up? I sat up. I was like, let's go. It's one of us. He just made his night in this for everybody. I was like, wow, what's up? I sat up. I was like, let's go. It's for everybody.

So there's been recent reports about the lack of ground game from the Trump campaign. Do you believe this is intentional from bad actors in the campaign again, unfortunately? Does anyone want to wager a guess? I don't like guessing, so I won't even try. So we have a bad ground game this year, you're saying, Sammy?

Yeah, there's been a lot of reports. Politico just put out one yesterday about how a lot of people are getting worried about how the Trump campaign literally isn't doing anything. And I know here in Florida that's kind of been the case. We don't have as much to do, but we're we're having to search out and travel to other states because there hasn't been a lot of push for knocking doors, sign waving, talking to voters. People severely underestimate. I've heard this. See, I wouldn't be. To me, this is like everyone has always felt like Republicans didn't have a good ground gain. So why would we present this as new information? You know, Florida, as far as I can tell, is not really a battleground state this year. So I'm not surprised that in the final five, six weeks before the election, you aren't seeing the same presence that maybe Florida was used to in a different cycle. I would be more curious to hear about reporting from like Nevada, Arizona. This is

where both campaigns are probably deploying a lot of resources. It's not that Florida's not important. It's not that you're not important. It's just that, you know, it's not surprising to me that a once swing state doesn't feel as though they're getting the same attention that they had at one point. But Florida has really become pretty solidly red. I mean, there's a reason that we criticize the Democrats for not campaigning in the Bronx, right? Because they look at it on lock. Maybe it's good to be cautious that Republicans don't take solidly red places for granted, but also they're not in play as effectively this year. Yeah, I'll be in Florida next week, speaking at a conference on Amendment 4, which is their abortion amendment to enshrine abortion in the state constitution. And they've got other

amendments too, like Amendment 3 is basically to legalize weed across the state. But so I'll be able to report, and one of my intentions is to report on whether or not, you know, basically how voters are engaged, if they're actually informed on, you know, besides just voting for Trump or Harris, but actually these more niche issues. I don't think the Republican establishment has done a very good job of communicating on those over the past few months. Like Mario was saying, and like, I guess we all know this and we're all very aware of this, how the right is behind the curve, especially when it comes to ground game. And it might take a lot, you know god bless uh scott pressler but um and some other folks and tp usa i guess in arizona so it's going to be a minute before anyone makes a

real valid justifiable uh effective uh ground game on the ground i don't see it in pa at all i've heard rumors that the trump campaign was not doing enough you got the insight well i don't know it's people here coming on the show and hanging out oh well i don't know it's people here coming on the show and hanging out oh so i don't know man but is that different from 2020 2016 or republican campaigns of the past like republicans have historically had this problem we would hope they would overcome it is i haven't seen political report are they reporting on a new phenomenon in a way like this is this is uh they have their ground game is even worse than years before or is it just and once again republicans are not fielding a particularly effective on the

ground offense right this is a parental issue for republicans and that you know the democrats the leftist progressives like that is basically like their religion they have to go and like enforce their will politically whereas you know conservatives and republicans and you know people and that persuasion they have families they have jobs, they have churches where they have more, you know, basically ways to assert their will in the world that aren't electoral politics. So they're way less involved in, you know, going and knocking on doors in the fall and making phone calls and so forth. So in terms of foot soldiers, it's always an advantage for Democrats. Could be, I'm just reading about it now, could be something logistical as well. So it seems to be,

you guys might know more about it. It's unconventional the way they've done it. So the Trump campaign, I'm reading here from the semaphore, and they've opted to outsource much of their turnout operation to dozens of conservative groups, Turning Point America, America First Works, and Elon's America Pact. And they say the effort hasn't been entirely smooth sailing. And this apparently covered a lot in the media.

So whoever called in, I've got your name, sorry. Sammy. Sammy, you seem to be pretty accurate here. Look at the Hill. Trump campaign's ground game worries some Republicans. Fox News, Trump's ground game shrinks. That's a bit different. Republicans are starting to raise the alarm that's political

about Trump's ground game. But is this different than 2020 or 2016? Like, I think... Did they outsource it the same way in 2020 2016 they probably couldn't in 2016 turning point was around it wasn't as big i don't think they had they definitely didn't have their pack uh at that point 2020 maybe challenges with covid everyone's ground game maybe wasn't the same it's hard say. Maybe it's just notable that people are saying, we are behind you and you're not doing enough. Well, I hear Elon's doing a lot of work right now.

I don't know what I'm supposed to say, but I've got some private information, but Elon's doing a lot. I didn't hear, Mario, about Elon. You said Elon, and he said Elon's got some kind of PAC thing going on. I had no idea. Oh, yeah, so there's a PAC.

Let me go back to here. To get voters out? Yeah, he's involved in the part of the outsourcing of the ground game, and it's the Elon-backed America pack. Yep. So referring to that one. All right, Sammy, is there anything else you want to add before you move on to the next caller?

Yeah, I just want to say that, you know, largely that's what got DeSantis in such a sweep here in Florida was the ground game. And actually, speaking of America First works, they actually tapped. I'm a chair of, you know, the Young Republicans down here, and they actually tapped us to help. And they have made a link. So for members of TimCast in the Discord, if you do want to help, I have a way that you can call Swing States if you want to just DM me. We do need all the help we can get. I feel like they were a little late getting this out rolling

considering how close we are, but I do have a way. People ask me all the time how to help and you can. Shout out to the Discord. Shout out to Raymond. Thank you guys. Right on. Thanks for calling in. Sammy's super involved, by the way, guys. She's awesome and she always comes in Discord and gives advice. Nice. Nice.

All right. Before we go to the next caller, I'd just like to say we are 418 subscribers away from 2 million. 418. I'm going to subscribe right now. Make it happen live. And our Discord is glitching. We got Gators Abba. If Discord will stop freezing on me.

Why was it doing this last time? Remember, it was freezing on us. It was Discord side. It's Discord's issue, right? Yep. It's what? OBS is freezing? Good evening. Can you hear me?

Oh. We can hear you. We're just discussing some stuff. What is going on? Good evening. My question is in regards to the whole Israel-Iran situation and whatnot. And it's for the entire panel. I understand that Israel is a non-NATO ally based solely on the fact that they are in levant and they are outside the

original drawn boundaries for nato but to my knowledge so is turkey and they want to admit ukraine into nato at what point do we actually defend our allies you're saying hold on are you saying that the u.s is not defending israel or is too involved i don't get your concern if it is a concern well like yes we are sending material supports and whatnot but they're constantly being shelled if the same thing was happening to france we'd be much more involved Or if the same thing was happening to Britain. Yeah, I think it's a very polarizing topic, but I always jump into it because I cover this a lot. You know, as a counter argument, the amount of,

if you just search the amount of support and funding that the U.S. You know, there's two massive warships, American warships right now on the Lebanese border, and they've intercepted rockets just as soon as earlier this morning. So I think the U.S. has been extremely involved. Now, you argue they should be more involved. Others might argue, why is the U.S. so involved? They should kind of focus on domestic issues instead.

But Israel is an American ally. But no, from a geopolitical perspective, there's a reason that Iran is kind of hesitant to attack Israel. And it took a lot for them to attack. They didn't attack after the assassination of the Hamas leader. There is two warships right now. Remember, Hezbollah was also, you know, pretty, you know, they wanted to, even though they were constantly striking Israel,

there was always a red line they never crossed, and that's striking Tel Aviv. So there is an argument to be made that there's a lot of restraint on Iran's side. I know some people disagree with this, especially after what we saw two days, because of the American warships. So I think America's support to Israel is playing a key part in why Israel has done so well, if you look at the war in Lebanon and what happened with Hezbollah. So that's kind of a counter-argument to that. But I'm happy if you disagree or anyone disagrees. I don't disagree. I told you it's a very polarizing issue, my friend, whoever's calling.

I do understand it's a polarizing issue but the other concern that i have is like in the same breath that iran and countries of that same ideology say death to israel they say death to america so like if it's not stopped there yeah but you want to you don't want to but you don't want to strike them because they say death to america i think you do want to strike them if they you know, a lot of people are worried about Trump, you know, the threat by Iran against Trump because the assassination

of, I forgot his name right now. Islam Soleimani. Yeah, Soleimani, exactly. So yeah, I think there is I think them saying death to America you know, they could say it, them striking American targets is a whole different discussion. I don't think Iran will be suicidal for Iran to do that.

They've been saying death to America for a long time. A lot of people are, yeah. Yeah, that's true. And it would be their death if they actually attacked. If they struck American soil or American target or if they tried to kill Trump. Yeah. Unimaginable. They have been striking American targets.

Yeah, but there's rules of conduct so they've been striking american targets within syria and iraq um limited strikes as well with limited damage so it's like kind of behind the scenes there's certain rules of engagement that as long as you follow those rules on both sides it does not mean escalation so it's difference between hitting a few rockets at a base and killing nobody versus striking a warship and killing hundreds of of sailors or killing a an american candidate or any attack on american soil this is like different types of attacks it's important to differentiate between between uh between them i i hate war uh but if they uh attack the ship and kill hundreds of our fellas i'd'd be like, let's go. Let's done. Let's murder them.

I mean, I'm with Raymond. I'm anti-war. I'm anti-interventionist. But like, I do see a point of how long do you let somebody pull your hair before you got to smack them in the face? Two minutes. Yeah, look, I think pulling your hair is, how do you define pulling your hair?

Like if you're sitting there kind of just saying a few words and saying death to America, I think that's not crossing the line. I don't think you should strike someone. You should hit a country and potentially cause regional war because of that. I think pulling the hair would be… We've had attacks on our base on soldiers in iraq we've had attacks on service members in jordan but there's but the american but america has struck back but america has struck back just remember america has dropped back

heavily heavily iranian targets in syria and iraq so around the u.s does retaliate but it also won like you know the world is facing potential nuclear conflict in Europe. And there's the threat of China as well. It does not make sense to stretch American forces yet onto another front. It's just, it's exhausting the economy, it's exhausting the army. And it's just, from a strategic perspective, that's something that would work well for Russia and China that would not work well for the U.S. So if anything, there's more incentive on China and Russia to kind of drag the U.S. on another front for Russia to weaken them on the Ukrainian side and for China to weaken them so they don't get involved. So the U.S. does not support Taiwan because, you know, resources are limited.

Did you, since you're in the know, Mario, did we do anything in the United States after those three people were killed in Jordan with the drone strikes, those three Navy personnel? When was that? That was a few months ago? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. The U.S. struck back hard. Yeah, the U.S. struck back those targets hard. But they haven't struck so far.

The U.S. has not struck Iranian territory and vice versa. Okay. But that was pretty close. During Trump administration, it was actually very close. I remember Seb Gorka was on the show talking about how Trump was being – because then you get dragged into the whole military-industrial complex as well. There's a lot of people within the administration, all administrations that do – to kind of call for war at every opportunity.

And I remember Trump was being – a few people in his administration back when he was president, they were pushing him to kind of strike Iran much harder and potentially get into a war. Lindsey Graham, that son of a bitch. Lindsey Graham is obviously the leader there, the main person. And Trump refused to do so. That was when the American base was struck really hard. But I think it was after Soleimani's death

when the base was struck very hard and a few soldiers, more casualties there have been so many strikes it's hard to know which one but I do know that the strike on Soleimani was a reaction to what Iran had been doing exactly exactly and then Iran struck back really hard and then Trump was really reserved

in his response to not trigger a full blown war which you know I'm a pacifist on all fronts so that's what I usually aim for but I know it could get tricky as well how far how far how patient can one be yeah is anything else you want to add sir no and i completely agree and i thank you for your guys's input on it like the last thing i want is all-out war with iran i just i'd like to get the perspective and i follow mario on x and I thought it would be good to hear what he had to say on this.

Thanks for calling in. Hurrah. Alright. Next up, and before we go to the next caller, we are 131 subscribers away from two minutes. That's going to happen in

four minutes. Alright, Splug the Goblin. Oh, good name. What is up, Splug? Hello, guys. Can you hear me? Yes. Sweet. Alright. First time caller. Long time listener. I've been listening to Tim Pool

since right around the end of the one where Trump lost. That one sucked. But I was drawn to Tim because of the video where he had his hat pulled off. I was like, who's this guy? That's hilarious. That's the best news. Anyway, I'm a huge uh fan of tim i'm

i'm i respect him dearly uh which is why i have to ask this question um tim uh as uh i remember i just need a clarification from you um when when you moved to west virginia you you stated if i'm correct that you would never want to change anything of west virginia in any way shape or form you want to keep west virginia west virginia you want the people who live there to uh to live and thrive as they always have done yes Yes. However, recently you've picked up a lawsuit on West Virginia trying to change one of their laws.

Can I get some clarification as to what's going on there? Yeah, I'm not changing their law. I'm asking them to fix or enforce their existing law. So, right now, West Virginia says card games are illegal but they allow children to gamble. So, you... that's it.

I mean, you you're you're giving feedback because when we talk, your audio is going back in the microphone. Oh, sorry. So so the general there's a few things here. West Virginia is the second most MAGA country. And so when I come here, I say, I want to defer to the people who live here and don't want to be some big cities that are coming to where they have all these great things and fleeing the cities where I lived. So there's that, that's the core component of, I don't want to change what they do here. That being said, they have on the books, uh, an inconsistency. They are not enforcing their laws the way they claim they're supposed to be.

I'm asking for clarification. The first thing I did was I talked to the local legislature and said, what's up with this? Why is the law not being applied properly? Why is there preferential treatment under the law? And they said, good point. And then I asked the lottery commission and they said, no idea. It's just that way. Then I asked the AG and the AG said, in a matter of words, I don't want to speak for him, but

you are completely correct. And so the advice was given to me, draft the lawsuit, send it to the state. And assuming they agree, all that changes is in how they approach the law, not whether or not. So I'll put it simply. This is what they told me to do. And I don't believe the lawsuit will actually go to court. I believe that the state will look at the law and go, he's completely correct. We have a law in the books for a specific purpose. It is not being applied properly. Ergo, social poker is allowed in the state and has been. And furthermore, people already play socially wherever they want, whenever they want, because there's no enforcement. The only restriction is small businesses can't allow it. Makes no sense. They said I was right. We'll see what happens.

But additionally, one of the state reps is a huge poker player who told me it was a really great idea. Or I was told that by a third party party he really likes the idea and he's going to be so excited to hear that you want to bring poker to west virginia it would be great this would be awesome so this is going to be a long fought out um quest of yours just because you just do the suing and they'll be like all right my bad you're right you know it's what they told me to do i asked him i was like why are children allowed to play pokemon if card games are banned and they're wagering money on it and they were like you're right then i was like, why are children allowed to play Pokemon if card games are banned and they're wagering money on it? And they were like, you're right. And I was like, OK, what do we do?

And they're like, well, we should draft legislation to get that fixed. And I said, OK. And then that's really hard to do. And then I spoke to some other people because I don't want to put words in people's mouth. And they were like, you are completely correct. File the suit. We'll likely just agree. And then this will be the interpretation. They needed someone to kind of get it going.

Yeah, because they have to. The people who work in the government just follow what the laws are. They need a challenge to set the precedent. 19 followers, 19 subscribers.

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since I said 12. I feel like it's a New Year's countdown. Keep going. Come on, everyone. Get me to four minutes. I'll get it exactly right. I got 20 seconds, everyone. Are you recording it? Are you recording screen record? No, I'm not recording right now Nine come on guys 15 seconds. I get it right. I said four minutes. It'll happen in four minutes How many how many come on guys?

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I get it. I'm five seconds off. I get it. Nice. I'm going to take credit for this. Two million two. You would. I win nothing, though, anyway.

You guys have too many followers. Thank you to our caller for being with us at this historic moment. Is there anything else you want to add or shout out? Yeah, I want to congratulate you guys on reaching that milestone. That's a really great one. Tim reached it, not us. Thank you. And Tim, like I said, I respect you.

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Splug. And last but not least, we've got a computer that is struggling to load anything right now. Defen. Maybe I'll be able to click this when the computer stops freezing. It looks like TJ Rain Man. There you go. TJ Rain Man. TJ Rain Man? That's what I have in my end. Well, you're here.

Whoever you are. Oh, yeah, and people are pointing out, yeah, one result of this lawsuit may be that West Virginia bans Pokemon. High stakes right now. Well, Pokemon's already illegal in the state. And so I said, I need the courts to tell me what's going on. And they were like, okay. I got Pokemon banned from my elementary school so all right some rage for that let's not do it what's up guys can you hear me yes welcome to the show thank you i wanted to be the first to congratulate you guys but allow me to be the second to congratulate you guys on

two million followers i had nothing to do with it. It's really all Tim. So I know we talked quite a bit about J.D. Vance tonight, but I want to dive in just a little bit more with his ability to cut through the lies and manipulations. Do you think that he's our answer to combating the propaganda from the left? And do you think that the truth will be enough to persuade uninformed voters? Well, J.D. Vance, politically, yes, but I think it's the independent media sphere and podcasts that are doing that. J.D. Vance masterfully handles the manipulations. For example, he said immigrants, this immigrants that he said illegal immigrants, this illegal immigrants that and then Waltz goes, well, we can't blame immigrants for these things. I mean, we are talking about this. And then J.D. Vance Waltz goes, well, we can't blame immigrants for these things. I mean, we ought to talk about this.

And then J.D. Vance goes, you're right. We can't blame immigrants. But the illegal aliens that are – he didn't say, you're twisting my words. He didn't say, no, we're talking about illegal. He said, you're right. It's the illegal aliens. That's a good move. Yep.

So he – instead of debating with them, he agreed with them and then added on top. So there was no dispute. It was amazing how he refused to be drawn into any kind of emotional trap. He stayed really calm. He stayed really polite. And he also, you know, made Tim Walz his friend in so many ways. And I think it's not that he himself is the one singular cure to everything. Right.

That's too much responsibility to place on one person. But that attitude, I think, is something a lot of people could go into. It's difficult to be Donald Trump 2.0. Donald Trump is, I really think, once in a lifetime personality. And so his like big, bold, brash, combative style is great. But it's also cool to see an alternative way of handling when people are throwing really kind of manipulative lines at you i gotta i i heard um i was on pcc today it's a pop culture crisis on youtube please join and watch the show but a couple folks there um didn't like the nice casualness of the conversation they wanted like you know more of like stick it to them yeah yeah yeah yeah but i think it's why trump did well. Yeah.

Originally. Sorry, go ahead. No, I'll let you go ahead. Okay, sure, sure, sure. So calm and nice of you. Too nice. Too nice, maybe, yeah. Well, I think that's why people were attracted to Trump in 2016

is because they wanted somebody to go and yell at Jeb Bush and then go yell at Hillary Clinton. But yeah, I mean, obviously there's a balancing effect with Vance. to go and like yell at jeff bush and then go yell at hillary clinton but um yeah i mean obviously there's a balancing effect with with vance um but uh i think actually so in the first debate with trump and harris i think actually i i do think that trump lost the debate and the reason why is because i think um harris did successfully bait him definitely lost the debate i think it's hard to argue against that yeah a number of times and things like mentioning his rally like i saw um um what's the name of the Fox reporter who is in the-

I would argue that Trump, I don't think Trump lost it a bit. I knew it was going to get going. Let's go. Yeah, Peter Doocy, yeah. So he does the same thing with Biden, where I remember one clip where he said, he was asking about the classified documents. He said, Biden, Mr. President, in the garage where you keep your Camaro, and that was enough to like Corvette.

And that was enough to set him off and like get him on the tangent about his Corvette or whatever. And, you know, his point was never to ask the question. It was it was just to embarrass Biden, basically. Well, I think Kamala did the same thing with Trump. That's weakness with Trump. He has other strengths, but that's definitely one that I think it cost him that debate. So to answer the question. So the question was whether it correct me if I'm wrong, whether J.D. Vance will be enough to kind of show people the truth and counter the misconceptions. If that's the question correctly.

My answer is no, 100% not. Like no one's going to listen to a 90-minute debate and fact check everything being said in the debate. They'll listen to the recaps. The recaps are given by the media and by whoever you follow on social media. So I think whoever is shaping the narrative are the ones responsible. It kind of goes back to the quote I mentioned earlier from George Washington. Whoever is shaping the narrative are the ones that will, where you consume the information will determine whether you get the truth or not.

Garbage in, garbage out. So that's to answer that question. I think no person, funny enough, I've asked that question to again um to to to uh Russell Russell Brand and Tulsi and uh Jordan Peterson the same question again and all of them answered I'm like is it enough for you Elon for Elon Tulsi RFK and of course Trump um to counter the the effect of censorship and for people to wake up how the narrative is being shaped they said no no they're there to trigger the moving parts up to people and the awareness that people have to bring an impact on whether they see the facts or not uh going to tim tim's uh point about um and i think you also disagreed with me when i said trump lost the debate um you don't have to be in my opinion

trump supporters say he lost the debate it's my my take but for me me, what I believe, if I believe he lost it or not, doesn't really matter. I look at the numbers. If you look at the real clear polling, the betting odds, before the debate, Trump was above 52 to 46. The debate was on September 9th, correct?

September 10th, yeah. Exactly. So on September 10th, it was dead even. Immediately after. From 46 to 52, a six point difference, immediately even September 10th it was dead even immediately after from 46 52 a six point difference immediately even september 10th 11th harris flipped him and by four points so i think the impact of the debate is what determines who won or lost in my opinion is what the numbers are

um but then if you're going to look at someone's personal opinion whether trump won or lost i think it's up for interpretation so that's my take on that one i think that's interesting because she did see a bump afterwards, on the other hand, and she polled well when asked questions like who seems more confident or who seems more likable. But Trump consistently holds confidence with voters when asked who's going to who would be better to handle international conflict and the economy. And that was the thing that she had to do. She had to prove that she had solid policies and could actually lead the country. You know, maybe she won by getting Trump ruffled. I don't think she actually won voters because she can't articulate any positions on the issues. Mario, I agree with you

a thousand percent. Last night on the discord, we're having a conversation about the debate. Guys join the discord. It's a great group. We talk about it. But I was saying it doesn't really matter. It's what they how they spin it the next day. Like that's more, like look, they got stupid beards and big eyeballs and a bunch of other stuff. The debate is what it was. We've seen what it was. But it's how the news that the people watch. Yeah, because you might see certain things that Kamala said. She's lying or Trump is at least saying the truth or he got her there.

But if no one notices that and they just notice how Trump was flustered or how kamala managed to seem presidential etc or maybe they just wanted to hear her voice maybe just kamala just had to just show up and do the basics right and that's all she needed just so people can give her an identity and for her to be considered winning but for me like when i look at it i reserve an opinion because i know my opinion doesn't really matter when there's millions of others watching and i look at the numbers i'm'm like, oh shit. You're hard on yourself. I'll say about the JD Vance one because it's all, you know, which is objectively he might have won, but how they spin it today, you know. Exactly, exactly, exactly.

It goes back to the narrative of the media and the aha moments as well. I think it's so big. Zingers, Zingers are huge. Exactly, exactly. Could be someone could be doing so well the whole time. Incredible value.

Said the right thing at the right time. And then one zinger could turn things around. Which we've seen time and time again. Exactly. The base of becoming more entertainment rather than educational. And that's a shame. Yes. Is there anything you want to shout out or add or do you call it before we go?

So I just want to say real quick that Tim, your original answer was that it's the independent media folk that are really the ones that are cutting through and getting the truth out and i want to say that's probably what i admire the most about the content that you produce so thank you for that um and then if i could shamelessly try to snag a couple extra x followers um the my at is uh teric rains t-e-r-a-k-r-a-i-n-e-s it's a weird name but yeah i'd love to yell at propagandists with you guys so right on join the after show thanks for calling in uh 200 uh 2 million tim let's go 2 million 2 million all right ben and mario thanks so much for hanging out it's been fun yeah great to be here. Thank you. Absolutely.

And for you guys who are members, you guys rock. And we're back tomorrow morning, of course, youtube.com slash timcastnews. We had a big show. I mean, we had 93,000 concurrent viewers on the debate show, 36,000 on the morning show. Normally it's 24, 25. So it's been getting bigger. We'll see what happens. Thanks so much for hanging out.

We'll see y'all tomorrow morning.