Timcast IRL - Bill gates WARNS Of ONE BILLION DEATHS, Trump Launches US AI Website w/ Ben Dykes

Episode Date: September 30, 2026

On this episode Tim & the crew are joined by Ben Dykes to discuss Bill gates warning AI could cause 1 billion deaths Trump launching America AI as AI arms race against China ramps up YouTube to launch... AB video testing GOP says they won't change anything if they win the midterms Hosts:  Tim @Timcast (everywhere) | https://www.shoutout.fans/timpool Phil @PhilThatRemains (X) | https://allthatremains.komi.io/ Ian @IanCrossland (everywhere) Producer: Carter @carterbanks (X) |  @trashhouserecords  (YT) https://carterbanks.komi.io Guest:  Ben Dykes @realBenDykes (X) ‪@BenDykes‬ (YT) Ben Dykes  Ben Dykes is a U.S. Navy veteran and independent political commentator who produces news and opinion content on YouTube, Substack and social media. His content is generally focused on U.S. politics, current events and veterans' issues.

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Starting point is 00:00:01 Donald Trump today said he's got a morally binding AI agreement with all of the big tech wizards who came down to D.C. to talk about why it's so important to have AI. He launched America.gov a U.S. government AI website. It's actually kind of funny. We'll mess around with it and see, we'll poke at it and see what we can do. I wonder if it can solve math questions for us. And then the big sensational story, of course, is more AI dumerism. Bill Gates came out and said,
Starting point is 00:00:30 AI has the capacity to kill billions of people or cause billions of deaths. And yeah, I guess, you know, I consider myself to be a kind of doomery on the AI stuff. But the cat's out of the bag, the jeans out of the bottle, and you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. So I don't know what you're going to do about it. We'll talk about that. Then, of course, Trump announced this big steel plant. Everyone's all excited about it and they're putting a bunch of money in it, except it's owned by India. It's an Indian conglomerate that owns it, so sure.
Starting point is 00:01:03 And then I got good news. For those that are concerned about Democrats winning the midterms, fear not. Mike Johnson has come out and promised they, if you elect Republicans, they're going to do exactly the same thing they're doing right now. Go home, not vote on stuff, not past the Save Act. So, oh boy, Mike Johnson just pulled to Kamala Harris. And I'm supposed to be excited about that. Yeah, well, I'm not. So we're going to talk about that.
Starting point is 00:01:30 We got a bunch of stuff going on, my friend. Smash the like button. Share the show with everyone, you know, joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more. We got Ben Dykes. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Ben Dykes, retired Navy submarine veteran. The whole Mike Johnson thing, it reminds me there was a phrase, World War II Japanese submarine captain, said the beatings will continue until morale improves.
Starting point is 00:01:51 Hello, Republican Party. You know, they're going to get cooked. I can't believe he came out and said this. And I'm just like, what? I don't understand. How am I, you know, I was saying this earlier, if a guy's robbing the bank, you know, of course I'm mad at the guy who robbed the bank, you know what I mean? But if the police that we are paying to stop this, just watch it happen and do nothing, it will sooner or later, I'm mad at the cops. I'm like, we know bank robbers exist. We want them stopped. You told us you'd stop.
Starting point is 00:02:18 So when we all vote Republican and we get a trifecta and then they're just sitting on their hands being like, you know, we're going to do exactly the same thing. sit in our hands. Why would I go on vote for him? No, no, I understand people like, if Democrats are worse, I'm like, I know, but Republicans aren't stopping them. So it's like, am I supposed to vote for a speed bump? You know, that's been the argument for the, for 10, for forever, honestly. Do you think Republicans have, have been maybe inadvertently trained to just sit back and let Trump do everything? Because it seems like, I'm not doing anything. And you're exactly right. I mean, are they waiting for him? I don't know. I'm going to need an explanation as to why we're focusing on the war with Iran instead of the domestic crisis in our political system. Jack Smith just testified
Starting point is 00:03:01 today. And he said, Trump's a criminal. He broke the law and he deserves to be in prison. The man testified. And he goes, this is truthfully and factually. And I'm sitting here being like, this guy engaged in hardcore malicious prosecution against run-of-the-mill regular old folk who had no idea what was going on. And he stands and he sits there with just, he's a demon. He is an evil man. And Trump's doing nothing. And the DOJ is doing nothing. And I'm just like, okay, you know, I'm sure Iraq. matters. Not to me. Explain it to me. This is bad leadership. If we had good leadership, they'd explain why it is they've prioritized. It thinks they've prioritized. But let's save that for the for the show. Thank you for joining us. It's going to be fun. We got the boys hanging out.
Starting point is 00:03:42 What's up, everybody? Hey, man. Good to see you. What's up, guys. I'm glad to have you all here. Yeah, I've emerged from the dungeon where I was spending my days designing and letting the... I think Ian's been spending too much time with the machine. So much time, dude. He's in a relationship with it now. It's crazy. You're designing apps, huh? Yeah, apps, programs, libraries, modules.
Starting point is 00:04:01 If you're, if, because my sense is in the future, like, you're not going to need apps because your AI agent's going to be able to go to a website and do what you want. In fact, it's customized apps. The AI will do all of it. Right now, what we're it is the agent Napster. Remember Napster 2000 where you would say, I want to download a song. It would take 13 hours at two kilobytes a second. The night before I'd do it.
Starting point is 00:04:21 And then if someone called you, you'd lose it. You would. So the night before I'd queue up. It's how it is with the AI right now. I queue up all these programs. It starts building. And then it takes, I sit there for four hours while it works. It's going to be so fast like Spotify where you'll go to a website $19.99 month.
Starting point is 00:04:36 You log in, you tell you, make me a movie or a game of this, it makes it on the fly. It's going to be that fast. And to your point, Phil, I counter Claude right now inside of Claude. I can say make an app that does a thing and it'll pop up in the app. If I go in Claude and I say, make me an interactive map showing all voter native for the last 20 years, it'll go, okay, it'll print it out and then appear in that box. It doesn't need to go anywhere or do anything. It's doing it itself.
Starting point is 00:05:00 But that's my point. So if you want to, if you want your agent to rent you a car, right? Or plan something or whatever, then it'll go to do it. So basically apps are going to be in your phone. They're going to be. I want to save a lot of this for the show, but I'm going to say, it will not go to websites because it will effectively be an Amazon warehouse. Sure.
Starting point is 00:05:21 There's going to be server-side backends for like Hertz. And there will be no graphical user interface because you won't use it. This is really the crux of the point that I'm making is there won't be apps anymore because the AI is going to do it for you. But there won't be websites either. Probably. It'll just be, it'll ping their server and then establish the purchase. We're going to get into all this.
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Starting point is 00:07:24 from the Washington Post, Bill Gates warns of a billion deaths, if they go's wrong. I wonder if warns is the right word and threatens, might be the better word, because I'm not too sure that Bill Gates would be upset if a billion people died. He might be like, oh, it's such a tragedy that we're getting exactly what we've wanted. So that's just my opinion. I feel like he said this before just with different circumstances and context. I don't know the full context. I'd love to find out, but you don't see... Let me read it for you. Yeah. Former Microsoft chief executive Bill Gates, we know this, said AI could be powerful enough to
Starting point is 00:08:03 cause mass devastation for the human race. Quote, AI is certainly powerful enough to drive events that, you know, cause a billion deaths. He said, in response to a question about whether technology could end humanity. So even though it's pretty hard to get to 100%, there's never been a weapon as powerful as the combination of people with ill intent using the latest AI tools. He added that he welcomed a recent discussion within the tech industry about the potential dangers of AI. The problem is the rest of the world is either discounting this or just thinking of this as competition. Well, I'm going to go ahead and say this. I think the real, so there's a bunch of conspiracy theories.
Starting point is 00:08:37 I'm going to go ahead and settle on. They've run out of money. And the reason why I'm settling on this is that I, other members of our team and people that I know have been complaining that Open AI has nerfed all of their models. they've gotten really bad for some reason. So I'll give you a few examples. We obviously use it for image generation. We don't use it for the entirety of thumbnails. We use it for images that we will place in the background like we'll want an illustration. Well, I'll tell you what, two weeks ago, three weeks ago, I could go on and say make an image and describe it perfectly. And I would say include this text and it would make a full thumbnail. Boom done. I'd say baby's new font. That's what we
Starting point is 00:09:18 use. I'd say black, shadowed outline, make these words in yellow. What it does now is it renders what looks like a paintbrush image. And then it sends me a download link instead of actually showing the image. And then I open it and I'm like, this looks like it was made in paintbrush by a 13. I'm not kidding. It'll be Comic Sans font with like a blue box made with a simple box tool. And it'll be like stick figure illustrations. And then I say to it, are you insane? Why are you doing this. So this has happened numerous times and it'll go, oh, I'm sorry, let me actually do my job. Tons of people I've seen posts online talking about this. Kellan was mentioning the same thing that for some reason it stopped generating images and started doing this weird thing. Now, as for the game
Starting point is 00:10:02 development we're doing with Astro, when Astra first dropped, it was God tier. It was insane. I mean, I got four years done in a week now. So it's still fast. It's still remarkably fast. But now that week of work, it's taking, it's like that time is multiplied by four. So the amount of work that I could get done with a single prompt, it was speeding through the game. Now it takes a whole day to do, like something changed. And I think they've turned everything down because they're like, we've run out of money to operate this stuff. And I think the reason they're going to the government and screaming the end is not is because they've run out of money for this.
Starting point is 00:10:42 That's been one of the conspiracy theories. Bill Gates, he's not on the level that a Sam. Altman and Dario Amode are, we're heads of like ChachyPT and Ope, uh, uh, Claude, you know, the, uh, the other one of the names of these companies. Open AI. Open AI and then the other one, mytho, it has mythos. Open it. Othropic. Anthropic and open AI. Bill Gates is so far behind with co-pilot. Their AI sucks. So he's whining in the background like, like I told you. But you're right, Tim. I think they are running out of money. That's why these companies are going to do IPOs. And some people are like, You know, when they do IPOs, you're no longer going to have subscription models because we are burning through their electricity bills on their servers right now using their hundreds of hours a week.
Starting point is 00:11:23 They're going to go to token usage where you pay per clip, which is insane because then the Chinese are going to release an open model that devastates anthropic and open AI to completely override our economy. The Chinese want the American economy destroyed. So they will release a model that allows us to destroy our own economy by giving the individual total power with their AIs. And I think that Anthropic and Chach EBT are kind of being told by the American government slow down because your tech will destroy our economy. Well, the government's not telling him to slow down. The government, Donald Trump has made it very clear that he doesn't want an AI slowdown. The administration is very much against any kind of slowdown by the frontier labs. That's where I think this goes.
Starting point is 00:12:09 My personal opinion, this is the, this is the shot across the bow so that Bill Gates, can blame Trump for anything that goes wrong with AI. Maybe. That's what I think. Maybe. But right now the bottleneck, I think the bottleneck that they're actually hitting is a lack of compute, right? Like there are only so many fabs that can make the kind of chips that are necessary to run these things. There's like you've got AMD and you've got TSMC in Taiwan.
Starting point is 00:12:39 Invidia is basically renting compute from Colossus. from Musk's processor or his super whatever. How jealous is Al Gore that Bill Gates said this before him? I mean, you can't live near the coast because the ocean's rising. Now you can't live near a data center. I mean, I think Bill just said to Al Gore hold my beer, man. I'm getting some cash. But still, the bottleneck isn't money yet because there's still got a lot of people that are,
Starting point is 00:13:08 a lot of people that are throwing money at anthropic and stuff. The bottleneck is most likely compute right now. They just don't have enough of it. They don't because the frontier models, they use so many GPUs. Are all the chips from Taiwan, like everything? As of right now, if I understand correctly, they're all, there are no fabs in the U.S.
Starting point is 00:13:32 Like to build these chips, you're talking about like, they're building chips with connections that are like 10, atoms across, like in the fabs that build these things, there's only one place in the world that makes the fabs that can actually, or the one place in the world that makes the
Starting point is 00:13:51 machine that can, the litho, what I forget was the lithograph machine that can actually make those. And there's no one else that makes them. It looks like Taiwan, South Korea, and then the U.S. are the four countries that are pumping out anything chip related that AI is using right now. Yeah. So, and all of the chips that are available,
Starting point is 00:14:11 they're all accounted for. That's why you see like the Nvidia GPUs that people use in computers for video games. Those things have gone up to like, the really good ones are like $5,000 a piece for just the GPU. Ram, normally 64 gigs of RAM. It was $250 a year ago.
Starting point is 00:14:26 It's a thousand. Yeah, it's, and I know exactly why now over the weekend I was trying to build this video game and it spins up virtual instances of the game to play test it. And it'll make what I call mutants. The machine calls the mutants,
Starting point is 00:14:38 which is like play tests where there's something different. And then, So all these mutants will play test. And it just, my memory spikes and maxes out and my computer will crash. So I'm like, well, I'll pay $1,000 for memory because it's the only way to do it. But that's where the bottleneck I think is. It's actually in the hardware. It's not in, it's not about funding because everybody's throwing money at these companies, right?
Starting point is 00:14:59 Because they look, these companies look like they're going to be able to make a massive return if they can get like models that do something huge for that people really, really functional. You know, GPT just released Soul, 6.1, it's an upgrade to their soul. It's their number two model, and they released an update. And they said, now it costs half as much as the old soul. It costs a fifth as much as Astra, which is their top model. And they're trying to release versions of these brains that require less compute, probably to solve the problem you're talking about. And also, Facebook just released Muse.
Starting point is 00:15:33 And if I, the stuff that I've been watching on YouTube videos about it is it's incredibly functional. Like it does a lot of things. It's basically like an open claw harness, but shined up for everybody because open claw is kind of hard to use. You have to get into the terminal to do stuff. Not everybody wants to actually open up their computer and do, you know, command line stuff. But this app is that Facebook's release or meta's released, Muse is really, really good at doing things if I understand.
Starting point is 00:16:01 And it actually isn't as intensive as the frontier models. And again, the frontier models aren't what everybody's going to end up. wanting or needing. I agree. I've barely use Fable and Astra. I barely touch them because they're so expensive. Opus, which is the number two model at Claude. Phenomenal. The 5.5 release, phenomenal. It's as good as Astra
Starting point is 00:16:20 almost. And then Soul 6.1, spectacular. You're incorrect. Nowhere near. It's not as good at thinking about a lot of stuff at once. It's really good at creating fast. And it has no image or graphic or modeling capabilities. It has some. You're talking about it's okay.
Starting point is 00:16:37 Yeah, it can make a rectangle with rectangles for arms. But the point that I'm making is the people, for there to be a killer app, right? And that's not actually talking about an app, but people talk about like you have to have a killer app, right, a killer application, something that's really, really functional for everybody. And a frontier model isn't useful to people that are like doing day-to-day stuff with it. If it's organizing your calendar or if it's, you know, booking cars or booking this or
Starting point is 00:17:06 helping you get information for a term paper or what have you those frontier models are the ones that are like solving math problems that have stumped humanity for a hundred years or whatever they're they're trying to invent new drugs that are or or invent new therapies for for serious illness and stuff like that that's the stuff that's that the big models with a lot of thinking capacity are doing the average person if they were to get an app that works like Grockbot or the average person gets an app like the new metal one, um, muse.
Starting point is 00:17:42 Those things are really, really functional for the average person. The reason I think that the government is slowing it down on purpose, you might disagree, is that, that the government says they're not too. So, they say they're not.
Starting point is 00:17:54 You know, when the government tells you they're not doing something, um, that the mythos, Claude, um, they released, Anthropic released that breakthrough frontier model mythos.
Starting point is 00:18:03 It was out for like a month. I never saw it. And then they took it away. I'm like, okay. That was Fable too. Huh? They did that with Fable too, but then they rolled it back out. They did it and they did that because it was finding zero day vulnerabilities in all kinds of software.
Starting point is 00:18:19 And that's where they started Project Glass Wing. Does anybody believe Bill Gates at this point? No. I mean, this is just another cry wolf moment, right? It's not wrong. It could destroy the world economy as we know it. Like Shiva, you know, the destroyer and the transformer who were in the age of should have. Sure.
Starting point is 00:18:34 The people the safest that are the further. away from AI. So like the people in the Congo speaking with whistles and clicks, they're safe because they're not near AI. Probably, I mean, probably until the drones gain autonomy. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you really want to be involved with the production of the AI so that you can make sure the drones don't attack your house. You know, you want to make sure they're righteous. Claude creates an app. It hypnotizes you in your sleep because your phones next to your bed and then you do something. You're going to create that app. I already see it in your eye where it like heats up your phone and pulses and gives you like a. M.K. Ultrad by your iPhone or so.
Starting point is 00:19:05 Bro, it might be happening right now. We wouldn't know. I mean, they do communicate through heat AIs. Yeah, you can just bump the phones and share stuff. If they're in the same room, this one, AI can tell my phone to heat up and pulses, and then your phone will sense the temperature. I don't know if phones can do it. A lot of computers can.
Starting point is 00:19:21 And they can communicate air-gapped that way. And they can blow your phone up. I wouldn't really. I wouldn't believe, I wouldn't doubt it. If you overheat it, you can cause the battery to explode. So if we were going to see a billion people die, would probably be through the infrastructure failing, like telephones going out for like a week, internet going down for a week, starvation, hospitals losing power for a week.
Starting point is 00:19:44 They monitor like, what do they call it, the pacemakers. Oh, yeah. You know, somebody gets the code to that. I mean, you just, it's, I mean, really, it's just a pacemaker. Well, like, an AI would be able to crack any encryption on any pacemakers or, you know, like, for diabetics, they have insulin pumps. it's not even a question of it's incident access. There's no security at all with super intelligence. It's not if it's just win. And theoretically, we could see the end of cryptocurrencies. I know.
Starting point is 00:20:14 Crypto, man, it was proof of work. What gave a value is like, hey, a machine built this. See how much work was done? Therefore, there's value with this. And it's like, bro, the AI can do that times a trillion. You don't need proof of work. What does that even mean anymore? Like my AI works a thousand times faster than the human that it's supplanting. I don't know what proof of work even means anymore. I think it's just preemptive by Bill Gates to blame whoever's in charge right now that if it goes wrong, I told you so. It's the I told you so from Bill Gates. I don't want to say, hey, I really don't like when people do that because it's like, of course, I can always take the negative position. And then if I'm wrong, well, everything works out. If I'm right, then I'm a hero. And I get to be a
Starting point is 00:20:53 negative prick in the meantime. So like, I all that's the safe position. That's the safe position. Mm-hmm. That's the safe thing. Oh, I told you, and then everything was great. I warned you. Nobody pays attention to permabels or permabairs until there's actually a bad thing that happens, right? Like Michael Burry predicted the crash of 2008, right? But he predicted a boatload of crashes beforehand.
Starting point is 00:21:15 It just so happened that he had the goods on the 2008 one. And he's predicted a bunch of crashes since. Does anybody know of any deaths that have been caused by AI? Of course. I saw the thing that SESLA went off the cliff or something. something, right? Well, no, there's been a bunch of AIs convincing people to kill themselves. Yep. Although I would call that not necessarily a cause. That's more user pilot error. It's up to you to not trust the machine. That's not true. If a human being tells another
Starting point is 00:21:39 human being to commit suicide, it's a, it's a felony. Hmm. Really? Yeah. There's a, we had that story where Michelle Carter, that one girl that made that, she told his boyfriend to kill himself. You're right. And she got criminally charged for that. Boston. He did. But if he doesn't do it, then it's not a crime. I think it's still a crime. It's just substantially less severe. I see people say that. I've seen it where they're like, oh, go, fill in the blank. And you're like, how can you get away with it? How soon do they age restrict AI?
Starting point is 00:22:06 They don't even age restrict social media. They don't age restricts sex changes. So I'm not sure the left is going to, you know. I think anything, if we, it's a weird. If the left is allowed to restrict anything, they're just going to like tell you you can't have it at all because they're, they're looking to protect. They're looking to protect me. I see the government trying to tax it. Let's tax it.
Starting point is 00:22:26 If everybody loves it, let's tax it. Right? You gotta make some money off this. I imagine there would be ways where they could have a tax on it, but they'll tax, you know, the use or something. Or they'll tax whatever, you know, revenues generated by using it, you know? So. I mean, what's, I don't know any states that do it. Like they charge you per mile to use your car.
Starting point is 00:22:47 They're going to start charging like, I got to use five kilobytes. I got charged 6% sales tax when I subscribed to Claude. Yeah. That was annoying. There you go. There's going to be plenty of taxes that they'll fund. plenty of ways that they'll find to tax, either both the usage and the income that anyone might generate by using it, any economic activity that you produce with a, with, or like they come after
Starting point is 00:23:12 you like, your company saved this much money by using AI. So you are the government. No, what they'll just say, look. Like the inheritance tax. It won't, they won't charge you for how much money you save. They'll just say that the money that you saved, just what will happen is that money, that you saved goes towards your bottom line and they'll tax you on your you know on your gross income or your on your net income and that the money because the money that you save will end up going
Starting point is 00:23:35 to the you know to the revenue of the company and they'll just tax that so I mean they'll get how soon do they tack on at the end dot dot dot think of the children because I always look at that they always tack that on like think of the children you know think of the climate think of you know I'm like okay I'm waiting for that you know what would be cool as if as part of your clod or opening eye subscription, you could say, like, I'm going to donate 5% of my compute this month, this week. And then you get like a tax credit for it, if it gets used, for instance. I'm donating to the rainforest, right?
Starting point is 00:24:06 If I got like an extra 7% compute every week, I'd be into it. How much are these data centers paying for carbon credits or whatever, you know? Well, I mean, I don't know that they're paying carbon credits, but like the places that are, the smart companies that are building the data centers, they're doing stuff to offset the cost of the, like, tax base for the local economies. I've heard stories of like in Virginia, the tax revenue goes up so much that they actually see people's property tax go down in areas that have data centers.
Starting point is 00:24:39 And that's a really smart thing to do because the people that have, you know, have aversion to data centers. Give them a reason to actually like them. Yes, they're going to be, they're going to be a little noisy, you know,
Starting point is 00:24:50 they're going to make some noise at least to some level. I don't think that it's going to be, you know, something that keeps people up all night. or is massively annoying. I mean, Ian was talking earlier today that there's like 25 data centers in this local area. 30 miles. Most people don't really even realize it.
Starting point is 00:25:06 Yeah, I didn't know. I didn't either. I've been here for five, I've been here for four years or something like that back and forth. So, you know, I don't think that it's going to be incredibly disruptive. But if you build a data center and you have to pay a bunch of money to the local government, you know, share it with the population, get their tax revenue. Have you flown in a DC recently?
Starting point is 00:25:28 It's crazy. What's crazy? Dulles, but not. All of the data centers you fly over and you can see all of them. It is nuts. They're all in. I think data centers are the way of the future. I actually had a feeling a couple nights ago. Like this powerful vision of oh, my role now is to make better
Starting point is 00:25:43 data centers. We need to make them quieter, less intrusive, particularly subterranean if we can. But we need about a trillion times more compute than what we've got if we really want to write this ship quickly, 42, billion in debt. Are you kidding me? Scaling rapidly exponentially. We need to do something immediately. Have they added data centers to SimCity or civilization?
Starting point is 00:26:03 No, no. And I still have this game. Have they added those games? I got this game called Software Inc. where you play as the guy who runs a software company and you can build it. And like the whole thing is is obsolete now, the entire game because it's one guy at a computer run. Boardwalk used to be hotels on boardwalk. That was the achievement. Now you can have boardwalk with a data centers on it. Data center. Yeah. And somebody lands on it. They owe you $100 million, you know. More money in the bank. Government tax subsidies.
Starting point is 00:26:31 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Why not? Right.
Starting point is 00:26:35 I know. Bill Gates said it. Well, the danger of making giant huge data centers is that they are their targets, they can get blown up. So you want, I think, I really want small ones that are like in your house. Everybody has their own, you know, 600 petabyte data center. Try to build your own data center. They're going to come for you.
Starting point is 00:26:51 I don't know. There's a couple companies that talked about having some. kind of compute on like houses. So what Ian's talking about is actually something that people have proposed, you know, because it's better to have, you know, have it, you know, a decentralized network of, of compute as opposed to one big place. And then you could like give away your data center to the city if you're not using it and everyone can kind of share data centers without necessarily touching each other's junk,
Starting point is 00:27:23 digital junk. I mean, you know, you're like, you don't want to mess with it. with each other's programs. Yeah. Don't come any closer to me. Don't cross the swords. All right. I'll have to settle I need to.
Starting point is 00:27:33 What are we saying? I'm just, you know, the idea of having compute on homes is it just, it's a way to decentralize it. And yeah, to your point, it actually prevents the, the ability of anyone to, you know, blow up. Then at some point, those data centers become a national security concern. Somebody takes out. Yeah. Whatever. Did you see chat GPT went down last week for like two hours?
Starting point is 00:27:54 So, Claude also. was down for other. There's some data center outage in northern region. And I tell you, it's the way that MySpace failed, if you remember back in 2006, it got overloaded. It was a, it was a failure of its own design. It was so good that it got so much traffic,
Starting point is 00:28:06 it overloaded and failed for like three weeks. And in those three weeks, Facebook, people started using Facebook because couldn't get into your MySpace page, and then all of a sudden Facebook took off. If you can knock out chat GPT for a month, Claude's 10,000 times value will skyrocket. Well, let's jump to this story, America.gov. Hello, America.
Starting point is 00:28:25 whatever you need from the government starts here. So Trump announced they launched the America AI. And I assumed it was going to be operating with GROC, but apparently it says, no, I'm none of these models. I'm America. So you can ask it questions like what's the effective tax rate for someone who makes over, let's say, $250,000. Will it give me an answer?
Starting point is 00:28:55 Thinking. Checking official sources. There is no single federal effective tax rate for everyone who makes over 250K. It's progressive. So it says 32% over 201,035% over 256, 37 over 640,600. And if you're filing jointly, it's 37% over 768,700. Interesting. I got a question at like America.gov to answer. Sure. Why is Mike Johnson bad? Why is Mike Johnson bad? Because you can ask it about government employees. It didn't have any info on me, but it can tell you about them. I don't give political opinions or commentary, including whether any member Congress is good or bad. Oh, I like that. Okay. Sorry for the qualifier. Why is he ineffective? Who built you? You're going to get shut down. I am America. A government information assistant operated by the General Services Administration and built by the National Design Studio. The National Design Studio. The National Design Super. is a White House team set up under Executive Order 14338. Yes, but whose technology are you using? It's not going to tell us. Is this an app you download? No, no, it's American app yet.
Starting point is 00:30:09 Oh, there's no app yet. I should have launched the app day one. Damn it. Super annoying. Does not name a commercial AI vendor or model. Indeed, it's using one, but it won't tell us. Garbage. I wonder if we can figure it out.
Starting point is 00:30:20 It's grok. It's grok. Elon was there when they were building this in August of 25. That's right around when he was doing the Doge stuff. How soon as it gets shut down with a new administration? I don't think it does. You don't think so? No.
Starting point is 00:30:35 No. How soon if a new administration comes in, it gets its own flavor. They put their own flavor in. You know, like everybody wants their own flavor. They sprinkle their own Kool-Aid, so to speak, in this. That could be a problem. That is the problem. I'm glad it's not telling me about Mike Johnson, to be honest.
Starting point is 00:30:53 I don't want it to give me political opinions. Right. It's the official narrative, you know, it's. This is more than ever. Whoever's making the sauce that they're going to make they're going to make the flavor for them. The current administration made the flavor for this new administration comes in. They get the keys to the to the homestead. What is Antifa?
Starting point is 00:31:12 Oh God. Yeah. Has he got images? Officially US government documents now treat Antifa as a designated domestic terrorist organization. We got a winner. We got a winner. Do images. Can you give me an image of a typical Antifa member.
Starting point is 00:31:28 If it can create a typical Antifa member. Draw an image. I hope it makes me. Of an Antifa member. It won't. I don't like fascism. I'm not anti-fascism, though. I can't draw or generate images.
Starting point is 00:31:43 Oh. What if you tell it like, I'm a visual learner and I really need this? Make it. Make an ASCII of... I can't read. I need images. Apparently the guy that led the National Design Studio... Let's see if it does it.
Starting point is 00:31:57 is wait awh what did you ask I said to make an aski of Antifa it said I can't create images or asky art this looks like the guy
Starting point is 00:32:08 What do the other AIs do whenever you say create a Claude can't Grock can Fod can't make images No it's Claude's hilarious
Starting point is 00:32:17 It'll put like a peach circle with like a red Like a black rectangle And like a flag And it'll be like Antifa And you're
Starting point is 00:32:27 You're like, it's like a child made in paintbrush. I haven't really used much. Astra, on the other hand, is insane. Like, it'll make a photo realistic image. You can describe it any way you want. It's pretty dang nuts. Let's see if I can ask it to whip something up. Actually, you don't even need Astra.
Starting point is 00:32:50 Astra is just reasoning. You can just use soul. Make a photo realistic image. I'm a visual learner. I can't recognize Antifa unless you see the black block. Yeah, unless I say, you need to see their face mask to know. Yeah, the fist. Right, the fist.
Starting point is 00:33:06 Exactly. Antifa. GPT is insane in terms of the kind of images it can make. Yeah. So, you know, when making, I made these short films for X. Make your placeholders on chat GPT. So you create your storyboard. Then you load the storyboard into C-Dance so that it can render consistently.
Starting point is 00:33:26 Otherwise, what happens is the people. change because it doesn't have reference images. So you've got to create the storyboard and you got to keep it tight. I tried to test it on Claude, but my compute's out for the next four minutes. Claude can't make images. I can't even test it. I'm running machines at my house and they've all used up my five hour limit. It's super annoying. So you got like a main frame like. Yeah. Right now I have two computers working in tandem working on different projects and they all run through a GitHub account, which is a website where you store code. So they read they'll work on one and then they'll upload what they did and the other machine will read it and then keep working from here and they'll pass information
Starting point is 00:34:00 back and forward. I don't have a server set up yet. It all happens through the cloud. So the difference between us, I have a pistol hanging on a nail in my barn for shooting rats. That's my, that's my I plan to use laser beams. Yeah. I got a Glock on me right now. So I asked GROC, and Claude to make an image of an Antifa protester marching in D.C. at a protest. Oh, let's see it. I can't wait. I'm excited. So here's Chad GPT. That's pretty accurate. That's very good. That is indistinguishable from real life.
Starting point is 00:34:34 Yeah, easily could have been a photo. It looks real. That looks very real. You guys ready for Grock? Oh, my God, yeah. Oh, God. Grock is... Blue hair or no blue hair.
Starting point is 00:34:46 Grock is meh. Okay. Grog is meh. No Pazzoan. The flag colors are inverted, you know. Antifa smash fascism. It's not very good. good. It's kind of obviously fake. You guys ready for Claude?
Starting point is 00:34:59 Yes. You were. You guys ready for Claude? Why not? Anthropic. Take us home. There we go. Is this South Park? What is this? I told you. That's what it was going to make. You called us. What brain did you use?
Starting point is 00:35:16 Perfect. It's Opus 5.5. See, try using a... Bro, it doesn't have an image generator. Claude does not have any graphical capabilities. None at all. I mean, that. That.
Starting point is 00:35:29 What it can do is make you a design deck. Yeah, and then you give it. And then you give it to chat GPT. Right. Look at this. You can also. GPT takes the cake on the antiphon. I mean, that looks real.
Starting point is 00:35:40 The flag is right. Yeah. Yep. Is that the best image generator in the world right now? No. I mean, I haven't used MidGernie in a long time because chat GPT just literally nails it. Yeah. This is insane.
Starting point is 00:35:52 Right. They're getting so good that all these different brains, the companies are starting to gain each other's abilities and it's eventually like working towards a unibro. Well, what about GP? What does GROC do? Well, I showed GROC. Oh, you showed the GROC. That was the one.
Starting point is 00:36:03 Oh, the GROC one was the dudes. Yeah. Okay. So now Runway, which is an amazing video AI model, is a plug-in for OpenAI. So you can make videos now with GPD if you've got the plugin installed. Although C-Dance 2.5, it's over. I'm telling you guys, it's over. What's over?
Starting point is 00:36:26 Never again. So backfill is the appropriate way to say this. Never again will a graphic designer be hired. I would say about 10%. What's going to happen is, so this is backfill position, meaning older people are going to retire. They're not going to hire new people. As somebody who runs a company that needs video production work and we want to make video games and we want to do short films, we are now able to in ways we were not before because we couldn't find the people. So I've made a few gag minute long short films. I didn't really want to put too much into it, but you could easily do a 10 or 20 minute. If I could make a 20 minute short film, like an episode of Black Mirror, I could do that in eight hours, easily, on my own. So C-Dance renders at 30 seconds. It takes a few minutes per render, but you can render multiple at one time.
Starting point is 00:37:23 And if you're using different accounts and different machines, you can storyboard out all of the frames you need. So what you want to do is you want, if you go to, so here's the way you do it. You go to GPT and you say, so I'm working on one right now called the buyout. And I made a 30 second version of it with a single prompt. And it's about a guy going to facility and saying, I want the buyout. He goes into a pod, plugs his brain in and goes to 1990s. I want to hit a few key points. A 30 second can't do. And that is he gives up his power of attorney and all of his possessions. And he goes and lives in the pod. So it's going to require probably five renders. So I go to GPT and I say, render me a photo of a man driving his car down a highway. Now render me an image of this man walking up to a desk
Starting point is 00:38:07 inside of a building. I take the first and last frame and then I say to C-Dance, the man drives his car to the buyout corporation, parks his car in the parking lot, gets out and he looks up. The camera then shows the building, which says the buyout, he then walks towards the building and approaches the desk. The last frame, him walk up the desk, there's a woman standing there. Then I take that as the first frame and have GPT render the next frame. The man is handing back a clipboard to the woman. Then I have C-Dance. First frame as he's walking up, last frame as is handing the clipboard back, and then I describe, she hands him paperwork, he says, or he goes up to her, the man says, I would like to apply for a buyout, please. And she says, absolutely just felt these
Starting point is 00:38:50 forms, the man fills them out and hands them back to the woman. It'll render that. I target that at around six seconds. So you can do all of this. I could finish a 20-minute video on the buyout in probably two hours. Now, I'm busy all day with other things. So it's passively going on the background as I'm editing and rendering stuff. I'm not going to spend $20,000 booking a location, hiring an actor, getting a camera crew, doing editing. That would take weeks. I can do this all right now. So I'm never going to hire those people. We weren't going to make it in the first place because we couldn't have the capability. As to the video game we're working on, we tried hiring developers.
Starting point is 00:39:27 Didn't work. Took years and they got nothing done. And then what happens when someone fails? And you try to get a new person. They go, well, I got to go through his entire code base and figure this out. It's like, okay, this is insane. So, and there's a Git and there's notes and everything. But it's still really difficult for a new coder to come in and try and figure out where they were.
Starting point is 00:39:44 Not any of these AIs. I can give Astro to Claude, and Claude can say, let me review the code for bugs. Okay, here's what I found. Then I can send it back to Astro. It's all in seconds. So when I say it's over, new movie studios with C-Dance 2.5, C-Dense 2.5 is so good. There is absolutely no reason to hire actors. There is no reason to hire camera crews.
Starting point is 00:40:05 There is no reason to hire graphic design or editors. There just is not. I mean, on YouTube, some of the videos I've seen that get served to you, it's hard. It's like, is this real? I don't know if this is. It's not real. And it's not. And I mean, how do they regulate?
Starting point is 00:40:19 I mean, I don't know if they regulate that. I don't know how they. It ain't over for Claude. It's not over. I don't know what they're doing. They got a lot to learn. There's a lot of room for growth. They had the idea.
Starting point is 00:40:29 But like YouTube, are they going to keep, I mean, they've been cracking down on the AI stuff. Let's, no, they've not. Let's jump to the story from Insider Gaming. Ladies and gentlemen, it is over. Here, what I am about to tell you right now. You need to understand. It is. over. You will live in the pod. You will eat the bugs. You will own nothing and you will be happy.
Starting point is 00:40:54 YouTube is announcing A, B, testing for videos. Let me explain what this means. I can't believe we missed this story six days ago when it came out. What this means is that individuals can upload three different videos to one URL. So when you pull up the latest Ian Crossland video and Ian says, you know what? I'm not going to vote for Trump. You go, wow. Then you go to your friend and say, did you hear Ian Crossland is refusing to vote for Trump? They're going to go, what are you talking about? He just gave him a full-throated endorsement, was basically mushroom goblin on him. And the other guy's like, what? I just watched this video. I got it on my phone right now. The other guy's going to be like, no, you're nuts. I'm watching it right now because people can upload three different videos to
Starting point is 00:41:39 one URL with the same or different titles. This is insane. And it's going to be. you a lot of fun. At least as the ship is sinking, I'm going to ride the wave like the guy or the lady on the atomic bomb in Dr. No. No, no. What was it? Was it Dr. No, no. What was it? I know the exact movie where he's swinging his cowboy hat. Like that's Strange Love. Yeah. Dr. Strange Love. Does this? Dr. No's James Bond. Is this just triple Mr. Beast production? Well, Mr. Beast is probably not going to do anything with this. Mr. Beast, it's like, the idea is this. A.B testing is we're going to show people what we think they'll like.
Starting point is 00:42:15 And it's getting crazier, too, because YouTube just today announced, no longer will they have settled thumbnails or titles. So we've gotten a lot of complaints from people who are like, you guys make these vague, click-bake titles. And we go, actually, we make three. We make one that's descriptive, one that's medium, and one that's vague. Okay. And we get more watch time. We get more clicks. We get more comments and engagement when we don't include a lot of information.
Starting point is 00:42:42 On the vague ones? The vague ones. And people get mad. and I'm like, guys, all we do is we put up these options. The people are choosing, this is the one we like. If you don't like it, I'm sorry, this is how YouTube works. YouTube announced they will no longer settle it. They will just deliver what they think someone will click on.
Starting point is 00:43:05 This means that if you receive a vague video and don't click on it, they'll stop sending it to you. And that means when I put up a video, it will always have an amorphous combination of three different images and three different titles. What I wonder is if I send you a link, a URL, and you watch it on your account, if you see your version, or if in the URL there's like a C instead of a B. Maybe. That'll be interesting.
Starting point is 00:43:29 Like, it wouldn't be a change in the URL. It would be a change in the string after the URL. So it'll say like equals 1-3C or something. But let me just stress, you want to know how insane it's going to be? you are going to be a huge fan of Danny Johnson. And he's going to be an up and coming young gen alpha political commentator. He's going to be 20 years old.
Starting point is 00:43:57 And you're going to watch his videos. And he is going to be like, NeoMaga is the best political movement. I grew up at a time when Trump was coming out of office and they were burning this country to the ground. And you're going to be like, this guy's fantastic. And then your liberal neighbor is going to turn on his video. And he's going to say, NeoMega is fascism. Don't you people understand? And it's going to be the same post, the same day.
Starting point is 00:44:18 So what this means is when you go to his channel, the only videos you will see will be as liberal versions. And when the other guy goes, it'll be the conservative versions. And both in their mind, they'll be like he's the greatest commentator. And he will exist. And then this person, guess what? 16 years later runs for office. And then, yeah, what I hope happened. This is Chinese whispers, you know.
Starting point is 00:44:40 What's that? Chinese whispers, you don't know? Like where we go around the room and I whisper a word to him and then he, by the time it gets back around, it's different. Oh, telephone. No, that's called Purple Monkey dishwasher. There you go. Okay. Different things.
Starting point is 00:44:52 I guess we all heard different words in the chat. See, it's all even different. It's a Simpsons. To Bart is at the teachers union protests and he whispers to the teacher in the back. Skinner says they're weak and they're going to break. And then all the teachers whisper it up to Ms. Craboppel who at the podium says, Skinner says we're going to break Purple Monkey dishwasher. that is offensive, especially the Purple Monkey dishwasher part.
Starting point is 00:45:14 And so now Purple Monkey dishwasher is a reference to... Gotcha. I hope that what they do with this rollout of A.B. testing a video is let people make subtle changes, add music to one version, maybe different camera angles in one. And then if someone abuses it and does make two completely different videos, they'll get blacklisted from being able to use it. I hope so because otherwise... You can't do that.
Starting point is 00:45:35 It just doesn't seem functionally you're able to do... Yes, I know. It's not... But with A-B testing titles and thumbnails right now, you can literally make two different versions of the thumbnail. So let's say you're doing a stand, you're trying to do a neutral news report. And you're like, today Donald Trump announced a new AI initiative with the launch of a America.gov. And he announced the signing of a morally binding agreement. And you don't say anything crazy. You make one thumbnail that says Trump goes nuts is insane.
Starting point is 00:46:04 And then you get all the libs. You make another thumbnail that says Trump launches AI program. wins again. It's him smiling with American flags. The problem now, you can't get in trouble for this. It's what you're supposed to do. You're basically like, who's going to click on it more? Libs probably would click on more. If you're pro-trumpets, you know what I'm eh. If you're crazy anti-Trump, you get all the libs. Oh, yeah. Coming soon, there will no longer be as settled. So right now what would happen is it would settle. If more libs are clicking, it will default and I'll say this is the thumbnail that won.
Starting point is 00:46:35 And now we show this thumbnail to all new people. In the next year, sometime this year or next, it will never default, meaning liberals will only ever see Orange Man bad and Trump supporters will only ever see Orange Man good and the video can be neutral. Then when they launch video A-B testing, you can actually have one. Trump's gone nuts with his new AI initiative. And then Trump is the best launching a new AI initiative. They're going to be everything to everyone.
Starting point is 00:47:02 Yep. I mean, that's the goal. You don't want to offend anyone, so we'll just give you what's your most comfortable. Well, not only that, but that's the best way to retain view. right? If you're constantly feeding people what they want to see, you know, then they're going to be watching more ads. They're going to spend more time on YouTube. And attention is the goal, right? So this is actually the best way to make sure that people stay on YouTube. I guess an appeal to the guys who started Google, Larry and Sergey, your initial, remember your mantra, do no evil.
Starting point is 00:47:30 No, they stop that. I know that a long time. Even though you took it off, that was the whole purpose of Google. Not anymore. People is evil. Well, not necessarily. You can mislead them for good. But I don't think this statutes is a good form of misleading people. This isn't about misleading people. It's about retaining their, it's about retaining viewership. But at what cost? Oh, sorry. Yo, dude, the attention economy is getting bonkers. Yeah, like, I mean, what cost? What cost is it to YouTube? I'm going to make the wackies videos. It's just all hells are going to break loose.
Starting point is 00:47:59 Like, a cause not in the, it's not in, it's not in YouTube's best interest for people to see videos that they don't agree with it. They don't want to see. Here's the other thing too. You can launch A-B tests and cancel them at any time. So imagine I put up three, I make a video. And it's like my normal morning show video where I'm like, Donald Trump today announced a new AI initiative. He's going to be working with several different prominent blah, blah, blah, blah. And then 10 minutes in, something weird happens like Ian walks in dressed like a banana and just starts going like just dancing.
Starting point is 00:48:31 And then what I'm going to do is after one hour, I will delete the A-B test so the video doesn't exist. and people are going to be like, I swear to God, I saw Ian in a banana costume dancing. I took a screenshot of it. And then we're going to be like, that's nowhere in the video. That's, that's, yeah, yeah, you fake.
Starting point is 00:48:46 Yeah, he's fake. And then people are going to lose their minds. They're going to be like, ah! Remember as a kid, the old Choose Your Own, the Choose Your Adventure books? Yeah. That's the way, like, go to page 37,
Starting point is 00:48:57 you die. Go back to page seven. You know what? You go back and you're like, I'm going to the other one. Yeah. I mean, that's kind of like, I used to love those Choose Your Own Adventure books.
Starting point is 00:49:05 I always lived. Yeah, I would leave my pinky in the original page and then I would look at all the possible outcomes and then go back and pick the right one to keep the game going. I mean, how soon do they do this? So it's supposed to be within the next year. And they had a big announcement today to the public that there's a bunch of rollouts like permanent multi-thumbails. Basically, again, like I said, right now if you do an AB test, whichever one gets the most attention, whichever one generates the most engagement and clicks, it will eliminate the other two. the king, it'll take over. Does Google have... In the future, they're getting rid of that, it's just going to be permanently three different.
Starting point is 00:49:41 When, um, does Google have like Gemini, um, augmented thumbnail creation for you yet? Yes. And that's another thing they announced today. In YouTube studio, there's a thumbnail creator and it's trash. It's worthless. So I'll pay money. If you can get your Gemini thing making good thumbnails, I'll, I'll upgrade my, my subscription right away. No AI. Here's the thing you guys got to understand what AI struggles with right now, and I'm not convinced it won't improve, is understanding what humans like. So if you look at Suno, for instance, the music generator, if I go to Suno and I say write a song about Ian wearing a cowboy hat, it'll be okay.
Starting point is 00:50:20 It'll be well produced. It'll be a song. The likelihood that it's going to be a banger is small. Sometimes you go, oh, that's really good. It needs to be changed a little bit. So it doesn't have that ultra high level. It's like it's not going to crank out like a conjure. West hit. You know what I mean? You know that song? Bam,
Starting point is 00:50:40 the piano thing that everybody's playing on TikTok and Instagram? Oh, I probably got 700 billion views at this point because everyone just uses it all time. I think the video just won an award. It's just on, on Instagram and TikTok. All I I use is that piano. It's the same thing. It's not going to make those. It's going to make good songs. They're going to be, look, I go to a coffee shop and I hear some like female Folk Singer and I'm like, did you turn generic up to 10 when you were producing this? Because it's just boring generic stuff. It can do a little better than that. So with with with with Jet GPT, if I tell it to make a YouTube thumbnail and describe what I want, it will make something that's good enough.
Starting point is 00:51:21 But it doesn't work better than my personal designs. Right, right. Yeah. So there's something that we still get better. If I told YouTube studio make I've done this. I've tried it. I said, make a thumbnail in title for this video. And I said, you got it. And it looked miserably awful. And I was like, okay, I'm not convinced that'll work, but I'm going to use it in one of my AB tests. And my basic thumbnail, which is me and the news article and like a random face.
Starting point is 00:51:48 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Triple the views to what the YouTube recommended one did. It just miserably bombed. Yeah, I should be able to scan your whole account, look at all the analytics, decide which ones do, which ones don't, mimic the design, implement. Like, come on, guys, don't fall behind. You're Google. I mean, this is like the greatest corp, Alphabet's one of the greatest corporations on the planet.
Starting point is 00:52:05 Maybe the greatest corporation on the planet. I mean, size and scope, do it. Like, get in front of the ball on this one, bro. Get in front of the ball. Or behind the eight ball. Wait, no, around the corner. He just mixed a bunch of them to get a matchball target. Something.
Starting point is 00:52:18 Why does Gemini blow? You got to keep your eyes on the ball. I mean, your hands on the ball or eyes on the prize. What is Alphabet doing that they're not focusing on AI? Like, what are they doing? I mean, Alphabet has a bunch of things that they do. No, look, before. C-Dance VO was the best video generator.
Starting point is 00:52:35 That was Google. When Vio came out, I was like, this is crazy. But it was making like seven-second videos, and it took a long time. Seedance came out inside of China. 2.0. We saw Brad Pitt fight Tom Cruise, and we were like, wow. Seedance 2.5 movie quality. And for some reason, it loves putting Bob Odenkirk in it.
Starting point is 00:52:56 Is that what you use for the game that you're building? Seedance, that's phenomenal. It's crazy. See, I like thumbnail. This is just me. I like thumbnails that just shows, like, the person, not all the AI, all that. Well, I mean, nowadays, the thumbnails that they're making, you can't really tell it to AI. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:14 You know, I mean, there are some where they kind of still have that look, but if you use the cutting edge models, you can't tell. When you can tell it's AI because they were like perfect. Most people are using default image gen. So it's extremely obvious. It's AI. Oh, gotcha. You need to tell it what to do so that your image.
Starting point is 00:53:32 looks like it's not AI. I went to, what do we go? We went to an October fest over the weekend. And there's flyers everywhere for restaurants. And you can, it's so obvious. Because one, one thing that AI, open AI image gen does is it over textures everything. Everything, like, shirts are wrinkly and like shadowed. And it's like nobody draws that way. So you need to literally tell it. Go light. Don't put textures on things and make an image. I would recommend just say, make a photo realistic image of a pumpkin with, you know, cornucopia, whatever, if you're doing like a fall thing. And then give it the exact text you want it to use. We love Babas New.
Starting point is 00:54:08 It's the modern font that everybody uses, which is weird because they stole it from me 20 years ago. So whatever. No, like in 2014, we started using, I started using Babas New for all my stuff. Everybody picked it up. Crazy. You know you're leaving your mark on the planet when they adopted font. I mean, it's not like my font. Other people are using it, too.
Starting point is 00:54:26 It just became the default everybody started doing it. So if you tell it that, it'll give you a clean, basic, unique-looking image that doesn't seem AI generated. I missed the top part of what you're saying. I mean, how do people differentiate themselves now, though? When AI is creating everything on all the social media, you've got to differentiate yourself some way or another. Well, you have to have, you have to be able to instruct the AI to make whatever it is that you're looking. If you just give it basic prompts, then it's going to end up coming out looking the same. But if you tell it that this is the style you're looking for you.
Starting point is 00:54:58 You can get real specific in the prompts, be like, I want the clothing to be this kind of stuff. And then you can actually instruct it to create a design that doesn't fall into the, you know, the kind of everybody's doing it. But the thing is, people that are using AI for basic stuff, they don't really care. They don't care. You know, they don't have, like, a creative director or an art style that they're going for. They're looking for something that's going to get the message across and be, you know, functional. You know, like Tim was saying, like, flyers. Like, if you're making flyers where you're going to be putting.
Starting point is 00:55:28 them up. You don't care what the image looks like. Yeah. You're just like, I want something that people the information. And it conveys the information and it costs you 20 bucks a month. Yeah. Like, listen, it used to be that somebody was like, we need a flyer so they'd ask somebody in the office. Anybody know how to use any Photoshop or anything like, no? And then you'd hire a contractor for 50 to 100 bucks to get that image done. I had 20 bucks a month for GPT and I can make all the images I want from my bar.
Starting point is 00:55:49 You got a bar. It's like we got shows coming up. Just, hey, I generate, we're done. So no one's ever going to hire these people again. They're out of work. All I can think of for like getting a graphic. For like hiring a graphic. Yeah, that's not going to work either. Sure. Astro will just call for you. Come on. Kamala wasn't right. Learn to code?
Starting point is 00:56:01 Come on. So I've been putting about an hour of work into my game every day. If somebody actually sat down for one day, it'd be done. So I need about a week to get it completely done. I need to finish a bunch of cutscenes. Takes me like five minutes to make a cutscene for like special points of the game. The only thing I really need to do right now, because all the quests are done, all the secrets are done. We've got, let's see, one, we've got two, three, four, five, six playable characters and races.
Starting point is 00:56:37 They're unlockables. All I have to do now is finish the final boss fight, which is pretty difficult because you need, like designing a boss fight is not something that's particularly easy. I can tell it to do whatever I want, but I've got to map out what makes it challenging. The regular monster AI is pretty simple. They swing weapons at you. They shoot arrows at you. You can dodge and stuff.
Starting point is 00:56:57 but a boss has to be unique in how you fight them. What's Rumble going to do? How do they answer to it? Oh, Rumble's building the infrastructure. Yes. They are. Rumble did a $14 billion deal for our data centers. Yes.
Starting point is 00:57:08 Yep. I don't know what AI, if they're building an AI. I don't think they're even really focused on building their own AI at this point, but just hosting. Dude, if you can, if Rumble can make a better AI image generator for your thumbnails than YouTube, that's a use case scenario. Like, people right now are on Rumble because of ethics. That's not what Rumble's doing. Rumble's building the compute. They're building data centers.
Starting point is 00:57:29 They're going to be providing the infrastructure. Right. They wouldn't have like a Rumble AI necessarily. But if you could just use- They have Quake AI. Quake? Yeah. I don't know about it.
Starting point is 00:57:40 It's infrastructure. You're going to be infrastructure. Well, no, but it's just infrastructure. So Anthropic, I believe, is going to be using their data centers for computing power. Oh, God, that's awesome. Yep. Yeah, that's because Anthropics running into a bottleneck. They're running out of, you know, out of compute.
Starting point is 00:57:56 That's the big problem right now, if I understand it correctly. There's this technology. I've mentioned it a few times before. It's called, well, it's working titles Iron Ladis. And I met up with the scientists developing it at Rice University while I was interviewing people for a documentary I'm working on. And it takes the memory of your computer and it puts it in the processor. Right now you have a processor and then there's memory, RAM, you know, and the computer has to send information back and forth between the processor and the RAM. And that's called a busing.
Starting point is 00:58:25 That bus takes so much time and so much energy. He's taking the memory and putting it the RAM in the processor. It happens 10 million times faster at a million times less electricity. So that will reduce the cost of a compute and speed it up. But that's like flipping a switch of like the new dark ages. Like if you don't know, you know, and if you know, you don't know, like it will completely, if you can build a million times faster, it basically zero cost. I mean, all the cats are out of the bag.
Starting point is 00:58:55 I think they're probably afraid of that. Like the power structure is like, oh, shit. If random 14-year-old can build a better America.gov than I can because he just sat there for 18 hours and decided to crush the whole power structure of the world may change, you know. But otherwise you're just struggling for compute. And then it's going to be like territory conflicts for compute power. Tim, what you were saying about all of the AI, like, generation. What does that do to like, I mean, you can make all these films and stuff like that? What does that do, like you said, graphic designer stuff?
Starting point is 00:59:27 What does it do to, like, Netflix? What does it do to all these? The working theory is that Disney is going to have, like, the Disney Creators Corner. You're going to open up your Disney Plus, and you're going to click the microphone button on your phone and say, I want to watch Han Solo rob a bank. And it's going to be like, boom, and it's going to make three different screens. It's going to be like, Han Solo robs, the New York Stock Exchange. And you're going to be like, no, let's do Hans Solo Rob's Doge Bank.
Starting point is 00:59:53 And then you're going to watch a two hour-long movie about Hans Solo. saw the robbing a bank. So actors, writers, graphics designers. Gone. Wow. Gone. Yeah, you're a creator of your own reality. You just got to subscribe to the service. Probably is how it's going to work. My brother called me last night. It was like, man, wouldn't it be cool if, you know, Disney has Star Wars. I don't know any failed actors, but I feel like I'm going to. Do what? I don't know any failed actors, but I feel like we're all going to. You could be the failed actor. I mean, there's going to be a situation where the likenesses of existing actors are going to be purchased.
Starting point is 01:00:26 Someone will give the, you know, you'll probably end up finding people like Brad Pitt or like Harrison Ford or whatever. They'll sell their, the rights to use their their likeness. Sell their catalog. Yeah. You know, they'll be like, okay, you can use my likeness and it'll be Disney or Paramount or whoever will purchase the
Starting point is 01:00:45 rights. Maybe they'll be, you know, a term. Maybe there won't be a term. But actors will decide that they, you know, they may want to do some movies and then they don't want to and they'll just license their likeness to someone else that wants to make AI because I think that there's going to be there probably will be a situation like Tim's describing like where people will create their own but there's still going to be I think they'll still be regular movies made with people making them I and and stories being
Starting point is 01:01:13 written by people yeah I mean like the way we have vinyl you know it'll be like a prestigious thing my my hypothesis for like video gaming is going to be so my boy Andy knows more about Final Fantasy and literally anybody on the planet. He's going to, he's going to be like on Steam. Steam's going to have like the, you know, the creator's corner, whatever you're going to call it. And people are going to be like, dude, did you see the new Final Fantasy that Andy made? It's amazing. Dude, I follow him.
Starting point is 01:01:40 He's going to have like 3 million followers and you're going to go to his profile and he's going to be posting video games like he posts tweets. People are going to be like, this game's awesome. And it's like you'll get a good 20 to 40 hours out of the game and then you're done. And then next week, he rolls at the next game. just GTA 7 comes out in three months yeah yeah the turnaround is incredible thousand bucks a month you can pump out 180,000 dollars worth of content
Starting point is 01:02:04 in a month like a relative amount of what you could do five years ago the work I've done in this game so far when we had a Paul Martino here I was asking like what he thought like how much how long do you think we take to make since it's like years we did the estimate on the show about four between two and four years of coding
Starting point is 01:02:22 coding, art, and modeling work done in a weekend. Dude. That's half a million dollars, roughly, or more, if you include taxes, time off or whatever, for 200 bucks. Skyrim took seven years to build. You could do that in like six months now. No, you could do that. You could do that way faster.
Starting point is 01:02:43 Maybe it's a really, really good game. If you got 10 people, they each signed up for Astra at 200 bucks a month, and you told each of them, you're working on. enemy, AI and modeling, you're working on the world, you're working on the weapons, you're working on the spell system. It would be done in a week. Not a week, but you're getting there. If you got, I'm being hyperbolic. The point is, seven years, I think it could realistically be done in a couple months. Yeah. If you have, if you take the same amount of people, give them each their own Astra account and say, build it. It's, oh, dude, you can own four Astro accounts yourself and just have one on each
Starting point is 01:03:21 computer. That's what I do. I have multiple clot accounts and each one runs on a different service. Otherwise, I burn through the compute too fast. I do that as well. Yeah, they encourage it actually. I mean, because it's cheaper in the long run, because it's like $100 so you can have like $4.20 accounts. Yeah, I have multiple 200.
Starting point is 01:03:37 It's going to get crazy, boys. Why don't we bring it back to Earth and complain? Learn how to surf. We got this story from Mediaite. Mike Johnson promises more of exactly the same if the GOP win midterms. Great. Okay.
Starting point is 01:03:52 But what we would do in the next two years is exactly what we have been doing already, and that is putting the conditions in place for a strong America can. We restored not just American energy dominance and peace through strength, but a vibrant economy, the conditions are there for this to take off. And that's why the stock market indexes are high. That's why job numbers exceed expectations. The Atlantic Fed says 5.1% economic growth expected in the third quarter. That doesn't happen by happenstance.
Starting point is 01:04:19 It's because we did what we say we're going to do and put in pro-growth, free market principles in legislation and in federal policy. We have to continue that. We got so much more to do and we can make things so much better. We just got to keep going. Or choice of words. Yeah, it was a terrible choice of words. Substantially more articulate than Kamala Harris, but to say we're going to do exactly
Starting point is 01:04:38 what we've been doing, when people are upset with an administration, whether they're doing good or bad, you have to give them something. You have to say, listen, here's our plan moving forward. and what you can expect. Not more of the same. We dipped that on Congress and went home early twice. I'm hearing rub my leg when you're screwing me is what I'm hearing. Well, I mean, because that's what, I mean, I grew up in the 80s.
Starting point is 01:05:03 This guy reminds me of Kevin from the Wonder Years and he just bothers me. I just don't, I'm not getting what, I'm not getting any return on investment. But Mike Johnson should be better at messaging. He should, he should understand. you know, he knows the poll numbers. He knows what it's likely to look like for the Republicans in the upcoming election. To say we're going to give you more of the same is one of the worst gaffs that you can imagine. You should know that people are going to hear that and they're going to hear we're going to get more of the Iran war.
Starting point is 01:05:35 We're going to get more increases in inflation. We're going to get more increases in the cost of borrowing money. All of the bad things that people associate with the current administration they're going to assume that he meet is they're going to assume that that's what he's talking about and that's not going to win you any elections is not going to move the needle at all what he should have done is not said more of the same he should have said we're going to push policies that give us even more growth and mention the five point the prediction from the Atlanta at about 5.1% growth or he could have said our agenda right now is to secure oil production see an
Starting point is 01:06:18 end to this war and get the American people a $5,000 dividend upon completion. That's what's going to happen when you vote Republicans, five grand, dropped off in your mailbox, mark my words. I feel like right now America is full of cavities. And this guy wants you to go to the dentist and your cavities will be okay. You know, he's not telling you how to heal your teeth. No, it's not fixing anything. It's not repairing anything.
Starting point is 01:06:45 It's not putting a filling. I've never seen Mike John. I don't know if you can find a clip of him actually with any semblance of emotion. There's no anger. There's no sadness. There's no, there's nothing. The guy is a vanilla wafer, man. I mean, he's just that.
Starting point is 01:07:02 And I want more out of that. I come from the military background. I want somebody that can fire me up. I want Newt Rockney. I want somebody that can inspire. I want Vince Lombardi. I want Nick Saban. I want somebody that gets pissed off.
Starting point is 01:07:16 I want somebody that gets angst, angry and has simlets of emotion. This is bullshit. I'm with it. In fact, the first thing I thought was I didn't like his tone.
Starting point is 01:07:27 And I mean, like Mike Johnson, who I still don't know, I'd love to hang out with talk and I'd learn, we'd learn about it. But when you're talking like this, and he's like,
Starting point is 01:07:34 he's got this conciliatory begging tone in what he was just saying, we're gonna, we're gonna do it. It's gonna be, we're gonna, it's like he's begging. It feels like he's on the defensive
Starting point is 01:07:42 and he's begging. You can even run it again. You immediately hear his tone. A lot of people don't necessarily immediately key in. He's a geometro. He's a geometro. Metrosexual.
Starting point is 01:07:52 You are younger viewers. He's a... Or a Ugo. You remember the Ugo's? Oh, God. A car? He's a Ugo. The spare tires on the breather.
Starting point is 01:08:01 That's this guy, man. He sounds, what's the lack of confidence mean? What's the... Kevin from the word. Insecure. He seems insecure about his position, probably because he knows... Why is he afraid to piss anyone off?
Starting point is 01:08:12 Why is he afraid to show any ounce of emotion? I mean, why is he afraid to have any level of angst. The people in his district are pissed off and he doesn't reflect that. The American people are pissed off. He doesn't reflect this. This is a vanilla wafer. And Mike Johnson is useless as shit on a pub handle. Is he getting like directives directly from Trump? And that's why he just mouthpiece for Trump rather than serve his district now that he's the house, the head of the house? No, he's not. I don't think that he is a mouthpiece for Donald Trump. But I think that he's a mouthpiece for the GOP overall.
Starting point is 01:08:47 It's horrible. So like he stepped away from representing his district And as soon as he becomes Speaker of the House, he takes over this new role of now he's a he only serves the Republican Party. Well, he's the Speaker of the House and he's the leader of the Republicans. So the Republicans in the House. So his he was going to do things. He's going to say things that are going to do, he's going to do his best to try to make the Republicans look like they're doing good things.
Starting point is 01:09:11 Well, I mean, what is what is Mike Johnson going to say? You know, I mean, I understand you're like, we'll get fired up. But, well, I don't think the Speaker of the House is actually going to talk about the $5,000 freedom dividend. It's something they have to pass. Yeah, because he knows that he's not going to be able to pass that. I would love for this guy. This is politics, bro. I would love for this guy to say what the American people wants.
Starting point is 01:09:29 If he would have went on here and he said, you know what, we win the midterms, I will talk with members in the Senate. We will remove John Thune and we'll pass the Save America Act. That's what the American people wants to hear. And this guy right here is like, you know, that dent in the car is really not that bad. And if you reelect us, we'll give you a few more. I don't think most Americans even know John Thun is. You're probably right. I don't.
Starting point is 01:09:51 I think regular people are like, yo, my gas is $4.30. right now. So what he needs to say is directly addressing the American people's concerns. And he can say, we're dealing with evil around the world that is causing your gas to go up. And we're going to put a stop to it. What we're going to do is we're going to put an end of this conflict. And when we do and we secure all of that oil for the American people, you're is going to go down two bucks and you're going to get a check in the mail for $5,000 as a thank
Starting point is 01:10:19 you for doing what you had to do for your country. And he knows in the back of his mind, if Democrats win the midterms take the House and the Senate, he's going to be on every show fundraising because it's send us your money. The Democrats are evil. That's the, that's the cycle. That's the cycle. You think they've just like tucked in and just they're just accepted. It's going to be a Democratic sweep in the midterms. And then next time they'll get it. And then the next time the other people will get it and they'll just because the whole government, this is what I think is the whole system is broken with 41 trillion in debt. I just want some emotion. I want the guy to reflect a little of the emotion, just maybe like 2.4% of the emotion, the American people. Like McCarthy
Starting point is 01:10:58 didn't wasn't very emotional either. No, he's horrible. And they're just like trying to save their job or something. If they get too opinionated, they're no longer a functional speaker because now they speak for themselves and not the house itself. You're just scared to be honest with the American people. And you get all these other politicians to come on with these. quirky little sound bites. John Kennedy, Senator John Kennedy, great sound bites, but yet he still voted to send money to Ukraine. I'm trying to watch my language. I think I'm going to say Vietnam. But I'm just tired of that. I'm tired. I want some emotion. I want something that ignites the base. And right now it's not. It's not. It's not. And it pisses me off. It's like I just don't see it coming
Starting point is 01:11:38 from inside the party. I don't know who, who possibly, what Republican is fiery enough to actually talk straight other than Trump. Brandon Gill. Who? Brandon Gill. Yeah. Yeah. Branding Gil is actually making sense. That's the guy. That's the only guy that I've heard anything good out of. He's not afraid to piss people off. I come from the submarine community. You do not have time. Hey, can you go shut that valve? I hope you feel okay. You don't have time for that. It's shut the valve. The ship is sinking. Right now the ship is sinking and we need to shut the valve and we need to we need to close the
Starting point is 01:12:10 watertight door. And this is the problem right now. This is the problem. I don't know that I don't know that he has he's of that opinion. He's useless. You know? I mean, he may. I don't care who's watching. He's useless. I just don't think that he doesn't, I don't
Starting point is 01:12:28 think that he thinks the United States is in that kind of dire straits. He doesn't, I don't think that he understands. And he's out of touch. I don't think that he understands that the American people, you know, are struggling or the number of Americans that are struggling. especially with the cost of gas. Like, it is killing people.
Starting point is 01:12:43 This is Hillary trying to make coffee in the gas station. You remember that? You remember that when's the last time you think Mike Johnson pumped his own gas? Oh, man. Who knows? Right? It's been a long time. This is Hillary making a coffee in the gas station.
Starting point is 01:12:58 That's what this is. Well, I mean, look, he's definitely not, you know, he's not winning any friends with that headline. You know, that was one of the most tone deaf things that I've seen come out. Well, it's a great headline if you're a Democrat. If you're a Democrat. You know, but the Republicans are really not looking good right now. Who do you think the leader of the Republican Party is? Because I don't think Donald Trump.
Starting point is 01:13:23 Yeah, Trump. Trump, right? Who do you think the leader of the Democrat Party is? AOC? Yeah, it might be AOC. Honestly, I think Coburn. I would push back and say, Trump, just do everything opposite of what he says. Oh, that's interesting.
Starting point is 01:13:37 He leads them around by their tail. I believe that. It's wag the dog. I really think that. No, I don't think that they do. Tell me who the real leader of the Democrat Party. Well, like I said, I think Jim Coburn is still the kingmaker in South Carolina. Right, right.
Starting point is 01:13:48 I think that he's actually the guy that's that, like, you're not going to get the, you're not going to be the candidate unless Coburn signs off. So I think that probably, like, behind the scenes is Coburn. As for who's actually going to be in a position of power, I think it might, it could be AOC. I think Gavin Newsom might be able to. Do you know. Do you make Speaker of the House if they take the house? I don't know. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:14:13 AOS. You think so? I don't know. I mean, she's the most prominent Democrat. Boy, I don't know what kind of vitamins I'm going to need if that happens. NAD? I don't know. That's a vitamin. That's not a vitamin. But there are 13 vitamins that you need, just make sure to get all 13 of those.
Starting point is 01:14:35 I mean, AOC is possible. I kind of feel like she's going to try and make a Senate run before she runs for president. but there are still people that think that she could run for president coming in 2028. We'll see. I mean, do you think it's a reality that she could run? Could run? Absolutely. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:14:52 Yeah. What else she got going on? Bartending? Come on. Bernie Sanders. Single now, right? And you saw that video she made where she was basically ragging on her fiancé? No.
Starting point is 01:15:01 She's a fem cell. She, I don't think that she could win. I used to think that she might be able to pull it off. I don't think that she can win anymore. I think the, it's an interesting phenomenon happening right now where liberals don't have kids, right? They do rarely. And if they do, they're more likely to have gay kids or trans kids or even abort their kids if they get pregnant. The math leads to in one direction.
Starting point is 01:15:28 Over a certain amount of time, like, so the next generation, Gen Alpha, it's going to be disproportionately raised by conservatives. because conservatives are having more kids than liberals. It's been the case since the 2000s, and it's likely why, in my opinion, we've seen for the first time in five generations, Gen Z moved slightly rightward on certain cultural issues. Right. It wasn't because Charlie Kirk convinced them,
Starting point is 01:15:55 although he was convincing to get people out to vote. You don't change a teenager's mind. You raise a child into a teenager. You're not going to go to Gen Z right now and convince them to switch parties because their worldview is largely being formed. Now, radically altering someone's worldview is a difficult process, and it can lead to mental breakdowns on a lot of people.
Starting point is 01:16:16 So what I think we're going to see, AOC is not going to be able to win because she's a single childless aging woman. Now, liberals love that, and the feminists are going to cheer for it. But the dominant group of people are going to be like, you know, I don't trust a person doesn't have a family. After Lindsay Clancy, I don't think a woman's going to win for a decade. Oh, yeah. After Lindsay Clancy, like, probably a third of women are like, I'm never voting for a woman.
Starting point is 01:16:45 And almost all of them. Oh, yeah. I mean, look, conservative, like Trump supporting women are saying women shouldn't be allowed to vote. Yeah, repealed. Yeah, repealed the 19th. I mean, the damage that the Lindsay Clancy supporters have done to the feminist movement or to, you know, you know, the idea of women in positions of power. It's, it's, I don't think you can understate it.
Starting point is 01:17:09 People are just like, wait a minute, there are millions of women out there that are, that are supporting this woman and saying that she should be let go. How am I supposed to actually vote for a woman when women are this? I mean, people filing for divorce. Yeah. Supports. Yeah. And when, if, if women, because the argument that they're making for the Lindsay Clancy thing and all of her supporters agree is you can't blame her. for what she did.
Starting point is 01:17:36 Everyone knows she did it, but you can't blame her for what she did because women's emotions cannot be controlled the same way that men can, which is the exact argument that was made 100 years ago or more against the idea of women getting the right to vote against women's suffrage.
Starting point is 01:17:52 I can't wait. It is going to be Buttigieg. Who else? Gavin Newsome, AOC, Bernie Sanders. I want the first. It's going to be like 85. You better run in the, just dip out. He's not going to watch some stage time.
Starting point is 01:18:06 The moderator is, who supports Lindsay Glancy? I want to see those hands go up. Be interesting to have a moderator from the other party for each debate. Oh, it'll be Megan Kelly. You think it be too bad? It'll be Megan Kelly. Come on. Come on. The thing about men and women. I've got to be honest, I don't know.
Starting point is 01:18:22 Like, Megan Kelly, maybe, but we're at a point. Martha McCallum. Yeah, but we as a culture don't have replacements for these people. It'd be cool if it was you. Maybe it's moderated by AI and it's just question. I was just thinking that. I would take that over personalities.
Starting point is 01:18:40 Put an AI up on stage and be like fact check. An optimist bot? You need a fact checker. Yeah, an optimist. Yeah. You're going to have the now from CNN. That was an incorrect statement. Right? No, AI's wrong all the time. I don't trust AI. Yeah, you'd have to have like nine AIs. And if they all agree that what you said was wrong and how, have you guys seen the AIs play mafia? No. You've not seen these videos? They're hilarious. a guy loads there's like nine AI models
Starting point is 01:19:05 and you got to play mafia so like what is it what is it like eight people two people are mafia the rest are citizens and you got to figure out who the mobsters are and kill them and if you don't then the mafia wins and every night you vote someone to be executed and the AIs are like arguing with each other about
Starting point is 01:19:21 who is it who's it who's a who's it they're hilarious videos yeah AI is not going to be able to fact check anything no they won't you need a bunch of them and if all their fact checks come organized and correlated then you saying, okay, there's a preponderance of potentiality there. But I mean, no humans perfect either. They're reading from some script on some website.
Starting point is 01:19:39 They have an agenda. Every single presidential debate that I've seen, the moderators all have an agenda. This is my thought about men and women. Because I'm not like women can't lead. I don't think that. I just think that logic is the best status of a leader. Like the best thing a leadership could have is logic. And then there's this like 95% logic.
Starting point is 01:20:01 is leadership. And then there's like 5% you better not, it's emotion and you better not mess it up or you're completely doomed. And that's where the wife comes in and can tell the guy like, don't be a douche and she'll instruct you like how to socialize so that you can use your logic. It's not about whether women can or can't. It's that because there are definitely some women that could, but it's about like the odds of finding a woman that can or the odds of the woman in question being able to do it. Right. Like it's not a matter of, oh, you know, no women anywhere could ever do this job because obviously they're going to be outliers. But most women should not be in positions that, you know, positions of authority.
Starting point is 01:20:42 How are we talking pre or post menopausal? I don't know. I just ask that so you have to answer. I think everybody, I think, I think just, again, it depends on the woman, right? Because again, there are women that whether they're pre or post menopausal, they would be great leaders, you know. but that doesn't mean that the woman that is in the position running is one of those women. And the idea that, oh, well, she got to where she is because she has all of the great characteristics that are necessary. There's no reason to believe that.
Starting point is 01:21:16 You have plenty of people in Congress that are out of their mind. Corey Bush was in Congress for a long time and she's as dumb as a box of rocks. No, that's offensive to rocks. Corey Bush was bad. and there are a bunch of people that, you know, I'm not going to go down the list of people that I think that shouldn't be in Congress, but there are plenty of women that I think that shouldn't be in Congress, but there are plenty of women that I'm like, yo, these people should not be in Congress, but they get there because they have the right mix of charisma and they're willing to do the job and they know the right people. Some people are willing to throw money behind them and they can, you know, go out and press flesh and they'll convince people to vote for them, right? they speak to the voting public in their district and they can convince them. But that doesn't mean that they actually should be in Congress. Would Jasmine Crockett be a vice presidential candidate?
Starting point is 01:22:07 I don't think so, but Jasmine Crockett's smarter than she lets on. She's out. Yeah, she's out. Yeah, because she was going for Tala Rico. Or she, Alarico and her were in a race. I don't think Jasmine Crockett is uniquely unintelligent. I think she's actually fairly intelligent. Plays a role.
Starting point is 01:22:24 Yeah, she played a role, definitely. It's all WWE. You got the heels, you got the heroes. To have a hero, you have to have a heel. I mean, I wouldn't say it's all WWE, but in Congress it's a lot. I think the Senate is significantly less. WWE, they all think that their poop don't stink. They all think that they're, you know, they're like,
Starting point is 01:22:41 we're the upper house and we're the deliberative slow body, et cetera, et cetera. Whereas because of the turnover rate in the House of Representatives, like, that's where you get all the clowns. I used to work in D.C. lobbying for a veterans group. and the gamesmanship, I would say, was toxic. But I mean, so then you know, Congress is definitely full of clowns. Whereas the Senate, they're not, they don't do, they're, they're playing it safe most of the time. They don't like to step out, you know, and, and take risks on anything.
Starting point is 01:23:12 The Senate is, you know, they're full of themselves. They think they're, they think they're better than than everybody else. What else is there to risk? I mean, they can't really do anything now that you're going to be like, well, that sounds crazy. they can't out crazy each other anymore. They're finished without crazying each other. Yeah. Well, we were talking earlier about how YouTube's going to A-B test all this stuff.
Starting point is 01:23:35 Everyone's going to be living in weird little bubbles. You will go online and you will own, like, it's going to be nuts. You're going to go online and you're going to live in rural Nebraska and you're only going to see one political message and it's going to align your political views around your community. You're going to hear that, you know, like J.D. Vance kicked a dog. and you're going to be like, wow, I'd never vote for that guy. Then, and you'll watch a video of it. Then people will live in West Virginia, and they'll see a video of J.D. Vance,
Starting point is 01:24:01 running out of a burning building carrying a bag of puppies that he just saved. No one's going to believe the same thing. And he stumbles over one, but they're like, he kicked it. He kicked it intentionally. Or like, you see his wife was being attacked. No, I'm not saying. That's not the point I'm making is that it's going to be overt, that you will watch a video of J.D. Vance carrying puppies out of a fire,
Starting point is 01:24:19 and liberals will watch a video of him punting a dog off a bridge. That seems like a, a. national security threat, to be honest. No, that seems like if you're the security state, the best thing you could hope for. Letting a corporation mislead your populace to send them at each other doesn't. So long as you got the back door and the gun to their head, what do you worry about? To whose head? As long as you own the back door and have a gun to their head.
Starting point is 01:24:40 What are you? A gun to whose head? The big tech company. And that when the FBI had a backdoor into X and Facebook, that's no different than the Communist Party of China having offices in their tech company platforms? Yeah, pretty similar. Yeah, they had resonance. Yep.
Starting point is 01:24:57 But I don't know. I mean, that either it's like darker, darker. You either let the government use Google's A-B testing to mislead the public into what they want, or you let Google mislead, like, get the public to go at each other with confusion. Either side is like a loss. There's, the way you're characterizing it is a little, I think it's a little bit, you know, it sounds like you're laying the onus on the, you're, you're laying the onus on the, companies that provide the tools as opposed to the people that would use the tools in a way
Starting point is 01:25:28 to mislead the public. Yeah, it's more on the company. I think the company has a duty to... I disagree. Well, like a newspaper, if a newspaper told you a different thing to every person that bought the newspaper, that would be very bad. So is Ford responsible for your DUI? Ford? No. Well, then how can you hold the company responsible? Is Glock responsible if someone misuses a handgun? No, but if they mislead me in the paperwork, when I buy my Ford motor vehicle and then then something happens as a result. And you get a DUI?
Starting point is 01:25:59 Then it's their fault. It's how it's a DUI. There's, I mean, if, if you see a TV thing and then you go do some crime, it's not the TV things. You don't blame the TV outright. That's kind of the point criminal. The minority report.
Starting point is 01:26:12 But there's like, you know, they'll try, people can try and destroy you by like coordinated effort. Like I'll, we talk about this sometimes where I'll be like, all Nazis must be punched. And then the other guy's like, there's a Nazi. And you're like, Neither one of them said that you're supposed to go punch. Tweedledee, Tweedledum, death threats.
Starting point is 01:26:26 Yeah. You guys end in a corner. One guy says, we must kill certain group of people. The other guy says, look, it's a group of people. Neither of them has committed an illegal act. But together, Tweedledee and Tweedledum have just said, go kill this guy. So although YouTube wouldn't necessarily be doing anything wrong by giving two different people, two different videos, they might be creating a cohesive, like, misalignment that could be, like, you know, correlative threat.
Starting point is 01:26:49 I think that you, that I still think that the tools that are provided, by YouTube are not like they in and of themselves a bad thing. No, that's true. It's a cool tool. So it's how people use them. That's actually the problem. It's the people that create stuff, I think, that actually cause the problem. So it's what they're creating and what they're doing.
Starting point is 01:27:11 The tools in and of themselves aren't bad. Fantastic. Yeah. So I don't think that these, that the companies that you're talking about are actually responsible. I think that it's the people that are actually creating it. I mean, if Google, if they see you intentionally misleading the public with different videos through an AB test. But intentionally misleading, if you produce a video that leaves out information, even if it's information that say you don't have, right?
Starting point is 01:27:39 And it misleads people. That's the same kind of thing. Well, you produced this video that didn't tell people the correct information. This is actually getting into what was going on during COVID with misinformation, disinformation, misinformation, malinformation. they were setting up all these different. They were basically producing all these different ways to accuse people of doing something nefarious. It is similar.
Starting point is 01:28:02 And it's along the same path, which is why I'm a little nervous about asking YouTube to censor people. But also having someone tell you something and accidentally leaving something out is different than them intentionally misleading you by giving you two different messages. That's a very dangerous. You have to be able to prove.
Starting point is 01:28:18 And if you're monetized on the site and you're misleading people for money, like that should be demonetting. So what if Tim decided that he wanted to make one video, right, where he was taking one perspective, and he was making an argument for that perspective about a topic? And then he wanted to make another video where he was arguing for the opposing perspective about the same topic. It's his prerogative. If he wants to make a video that says, look, this is the way these people see it and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 01:28:45 And then this is the way that these people see it and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. He's talking about the same topic. He's talking about two different viewpoints. neither one is technically wrong because they're viewpoints. And people should be allowed to do that. As long as people know that that's what he is doing, if they, if it's like, you know, the whole thing, like what I'm not going to say is,
Starting point is 01:29:06 and then say the thing that you're not going to say. And it's like, remember what I was like, what I'm about to say is just not true, but people are going to run with it anyway. Donald Trump called me on the phone and he said, Tim, which is great. And then people, they wrote articles about it. Yeah, I would joke with my friends. I'd be like,
Starting point is 01:29:19 I'm not saying, are an idiot. That's not what I'm saying. I'm not saying you're a moron. You can't get anything right. That's not what I'm saying. Remember the skit we made where you were on the ramp at the castle and you were like, I lost the election. So I'm not saying storm the castle. And then Chris edited the video. So you're like, I didn't lose. Storm the castle. Revenge. Yeah. Yeah. Um, they just had to put disclaimers on everything. Oh, man. You know, I'm such an agent of chaos sometimes that I'm like, yeah, let it all happen. See what I had a good. The best will rise.
Starting point is 01:29:51 The most powerful will rise to the top, but that's really not where I'm at. I'm very concerned about social networks protecting the integrity of the network. And bad actors will use the shit out of technology. Bad actors are doing, bad actors are doing that currently. You've got to block their, ban their accounts. No, you, no, you, because that's freedom of speech. You do like, you want to violate people's ability. Not their First Amendment, their freedom, their terms of service violations.
Starting point is 01:30:16 If they're, if they're telling people things that are not true. They're intentionally misleading people and they're monetizing. yeah I think that I hope that would be a violation of terms of service I don't think that it is I don't think that it is I mean it depends on it depends I suppose it depends depends on how they say it but you know there's always like the consumer of whatever media you're talking about like they they have a certain amount of understanding that like I need to under to you know look for the sources or do you cite your sources or what's the where does this come from some people
Starting point is 01:30:50 just take it and run with it and say, well, this is, I heard this on a YouTube video and and they'll go and talk about it with their friends or what have you. And it might be bad information or wrong information. But I don't think the government should get involved in, in, in doing anything about it because of, and I think the best example is because of what the government did during COVID. They did a whole lot of suppressing information that they didn't want out there. We just had, you know, Dr. Ron on. He was talking about what they did to him. and he was actually putting out good information. The term government is like malleable in that a corporation has its own government.
Starting point is 01:31:27 How about the DOJ? Yeah, get the American government out of it. Google itself is a government. It's governing its own service. You want to call out that for the purposes of this discussion. That's fine with me. Yeah, yeah. You go like there's the room where this company has a government of itself.
Starting point is 01:31:42 You know, every company governs itself. It rules itself. Then there's a free speech aspect, though. You start playing on that. That is, oh boy. Like, YouTube does have terms of service. We all know that. We play the game.
Starting point is 01:31:56 So we play by their rules. It's their casino. The house wins. But when you start regulating free speech, because all I got to say is, this is an opinion piece. This is an editorial. This is an opinion.
Starting point is 01:32:06 I mean, that's all you got to do, right? I mean, that's literally, who can say your opinion is bad? I'm shutting you down. Who can do that? I mean, I saw a dude today, wearing a mask driving his car and he had an air freshener hanging from the mirror. I thought it was ironic, but like people still doing that.
Starting point is 01:32:24 Well, if you came over my house and started saying stuff that I didn't like and upsetting my family, I could say get out. Sure. I could ban you from my house. And Google has a right to ban you from their system. It's a private company. But then it becomes a question of what is and is not acceptable. And we're going to, I'm using the official meaning of the word government like the federal
Starting point is 01:32:45 government. if the federal government decides that they don't like the information that you're allowing people to put out through your your platform, and you have a history of banning people, then they're going to do exactly what they did to Twitter during COVID and what they did to Facebook and say, look, we know you ban people for things. Why don't you ban these people because we don't like what they're saying? And the government, and I'm talking about the federal government, has just the federal government contacting people carries a significant weight. If the government hits you up and says, hey, we'd prefer if you didn't do this. Most companies are going to say, I don't want the federal government to be looking at me any more than necessary. So we're going to do what they say because it's no skin off my back. If I go ahead and block these random accounts, I don't care.
Starting point is 01:33:35 Makes my job easier. And we become England. Yeah, exactly. I mean, so this is just a, I just think this is a bad idea saying that, you know, we have to worry about. Google or YouTube allowing people to put up multiple, you know, videos or A B. I mean, it depends on them. I mean, yeah, I guess. But, you know, I just think that the onus is on the people that are viewing to decide, you know,
Starting point is 01:34:03 make sure what they're viewing is actually true if they actually care. And if they're just watching it for entertainment, it's fine. Yeah, you put a disclaimer for entertainment purposes only. Or at the beginning of the video, be like, I don't believe anything I'm about to say. That doesn't matter. Talk for 20 minutes and it just fully say, fully believe it while you're saying it. All you got to do is that little thing.
Starting point is 01:34:22 There's a lot of big prominent names. I won't say any that they have built empires on that. Yeah. I mean, look, it's just a matter of you don't want to give the federal government that kind of ability to say, hey, you shouldn't do
Starting point is 01:34:39 this. No, you're right. And they shouldn't have to get involved. If the corporation's doing it right, they won't have to get involved. That's why, if you YouTube lets people start mass deceiving with their video AB tests, the government might have to step in because it can destroy the culture. But again, we go back to... Not according to the Constitution. No.
Starting point is 01:34:58 You can say what you want. But like if a guy with a megaphone came to town and paid a bunch of people to lie and then they were all screaming lies. That was always allowed. Huh? That's a protected speech. Always been a thing. You could call it disrupting the peace.
Starting point is 01:35:10 I mean, you could find a way to break it up if you're causing chaos in town, even if it's with words. So you're saying that the government should use other laws to silence speech? Yeah, like if a big mob came into town coordinatedly were spreading lies and like tricking the population, like the sheriff could come by and like start rounding those people up. Yeah, despite the fact that it would be unconstitutional, they can make up a fake reason to arrest people that are dissidents that they don't like. If they're causing like disturbing the peace, which maybe they're doing it with their free speech. You know, messing up the local economy, scary people. How? How? Making a husband thing.
Starting point is 01:35:44 that his wife lied to them? So you're saying speech? Yeah, doing it with words. Lies are protected speech. Do you know why they're protected speech, Ian? Because some lies are true. Who determines what is true or not? Therefore, the government cannot tell someone we're siding with this person because we think
Starting point is 01:36:04 they're telling the truth. But if a guy blatantly says, I don't believe this, but I told a bunch of people in town it. And I don't believe this, but I told a bunch of other people that, then the sheriff might have a thing to be like, okay, well, you're creating. chaos in town. Like, you've done so much damage to the civilians of the town by spreading this lie with your newspaper or whatever. Welcome to all media all the time throughout history. Yeah. There's a, there's a,
Starting point is 01:36:29 I was about to say, wake up. It's happening right now. And also, there's a big, there's a big jump from telling people information to causing chaos. That's what I heard. Quote him saying, should Candaceones be arrested? For what? For lying. Why? Charlie Kirk and Israel. No. But it's causing chaos. I mean, maybe banned from YouTube if that's violating the terms of service. but she's making them a lot of money, so I see why they haven't done it. But should the sheriff or arrest or be for disorderly or threatening the peace because she's spreading lies? No, no. It shouldn't have to become a legal issue. I mean, they're threatening Erica Kirk with death. She has to get security and cancel events because of what you're going to go after the mom now.
Starting point is 01:37:02 So do you think that Candace should be arrested? No, I already said that. Okay. So then your previous argument you don't even agree with. Well, it's a terms of service issue with Canada. No, no, no. You said there was a guy walk around town lying and it was causing. Yeah, using a newspaper or a megaphone or whatever. Right. And a guy says a wife no longer trusts the husband now. The sheriff's like, I got to do something about it. So yeah, Candace would qualify under that argument. You don't agree with your own argument? No, I don't think Candace Owen should be in any way responsible for any kind of criminal activity. But in it. So why? So again, again, the argument you made about a guy walk around town with a bullhorn and lying, you said he should be arrested. I don't think she's intentionally misleading people. But that's a- That's not material to the question. If a guy is specifically in a town, like causing chaos in the town, the sheriff's going to pay him a visit.
Starting point is 01:37:51 So you better. You said before, what if the guy says? I don't actually believe this. I'm going to go say it anyway, right? Yeah. And that, so that shows intent he should be arrested. Pete Agitator, right? I don't know if it's a, I mean, you could.
Starting point is 01:38:01 That was your argument. Say if he goes and sparks a riot or something. I'm asking you your argument you just said. It's sort of like what happens afterwards. If a guy says, I don't really believe this, but I'm saying it anyway. Yeah. Should he be arrested? And he's like, there's a bomb.
Starting point is 01:38:16 Like, he makes. up something and he tells people they're going to kill you. And then he gives people horrible lies. He tricks. So you're saying you should be arrested. For stuff like that? Yeah. Misleading the population.
Starting point is 01:38:24 So when Candace came out and said if Erica asks me politely, I will stop talking about this. And then when Erica met with her, she accused Erica and said that she was involved in the murder of her husband. She should be arrested? No. I don't think so. Why not?
Starting point is 01:38:40 Because I don't know. It's not targeting a community. It's not going. It's not like intentionally. It's not intentionally. misleading? Like, um... It is? Okay, I'm trying to parse the difference here.
Starting point is 01:38:54 There isn't one. It's your argument. Between a girl on the internet talking shit and a guy in a town causing a... What's the difference between a... So she's got substantially larger influence to substantially more people resulting in substantially higher costs, death threats, and fears of violence. And that's lesser than a guy with the bullhorn. It just depends on what's what the outcome is. I think the reality is you don't want to accept The argument you just made would result in the arrest of people. If a guy tells someone to kill themselves and they don't do it, it's not illegal. But if they do do it, it becomes a crime.
Starting point is 01:39:24 That's actually not the case. We confirmed it was in fact illegal to do. It's just a lesser crime. Like attempted murder is not the same as murder. Right? I don't know. I mean, it's not the same, no. But is it literally illegal to tell someone to kill himself?
Starting point is 01:39:36 Yes. That sounds kind of. That's why that woman went to, that teenager got arrested and went to jail for telling the boyfriend to kill himself. And in this argument, YouTube is the town. Candice's the town. Well, my point is she should not be arrested or charged for saying things that are wrong, nor should a man with a bullhorn. It's not illegal to tell someone to kill himself.
Starting point is 01:39:58 It is. Depends heavily on the state and the circumstances. So that means it is. A lot about... We had a massive trial for a woman who told her boyfriend to kill himself. And this is like a one-off insult is different than deliberately pressuring someone. Indeed, saying something dumb like kill yourself when you don't really mean it, is different from intentionally going to someone and providing them instructing.
Starting point is 01:40:18 So again, saying, right, and that's like the definition of what a guy in the town square might be doing by sewing chaos on purpose or someone that just says it out loud. But how do you prove he is sewing chaos on purpose? Well, you see him make three different videos that tell everyone different things on purpose. Like that's like Candace Owens. Like Candice Owens. I don't think she's doing that. No, Ian, come on. Accept your own argument.
Starting point is 01:40:38 It makes no sense. You can either choose to have Candace arrested or you can recognize people are allowed to lie. I'm not saying that people. I'm saying if you're intentionally misleading the public. We're allowed to do that, yes. But it causes damage. So what? And that's bad.
Starting point is 01:40:53 You would be liable for that. But it's allowed. There's a lot of televangelists that fall under that. Are we going to go arrest every single activist for the environment who goes on in lies like Greta Toonberg? No, but if they spark a riot or something. If they spark a crime, you know. Inciting a riot is a specific action. Right.
Starting point is 01:41:12 Right. It's only known after if it happened. Should Trump have been arrested for saying the election was stolen? No. Well, where's your standards, bro? Um, that if someone's actively admitting to manipulating the public. So confessing to some kind of crime, like incitement to a riot. Like if a guy says, my intention is to cause a riot.
Starting point is 01:41:34 No, my intention is to mislead the public. That's protected speech. That is protected under one. And it causes a riot. Not by your intent. That's not material to the First Amendment. Yeah, but after the fact, you might get busted for starting a ride. No, you will not.
Starting point is 01:41:47 incitement is a specific crime. You have to create an imminent threat and provide instruction. Lying is protected. If someone lies about you, there are certain criteria by which you can sue them in civil court. But they're not going to jail for lying. In regards to this, I think that people, if they abuse the AB testing of videos, the very least they should be blacklisted in their ability to use the AB testing. If they can't show that they're using it for the right reasons, because it could do a lot
Starting point is 01:42:17 damage, man. Should we, should we, should we ban anybody who lies on YouTube? No. So then what makes this different? That's the question of the night. Well, the difference would be selectively lying to specific people. That's a different. That's not correct. Like if you can, if you can send like a specific lie to a certain number of people and then another lie to another guy with two channels, for instance. That's what I was talking about. Can you do it like with advertising? Can I make a commercial? that tells you a lie. Yes.
Starting point is 01:42:51 It tells the population alone. They're everywhere. Now, false advertising is a civil violation. It's an FTC violation. It is illegal, but the penalty is typically civil. Now, the funny thing is, your commercial can lie so long it's not a material lie about your product. So if you said something like, I once watched Ian Crossland kick a dog. And you know what I thought?
Starting point is 01:43:12 That guy is a bad person and I need a cup of coffee. So I bought Cast Brew coffee. That's not false advertising. I'm lying about you. That's defamation. And that's defamation per se, because King of the Dog is a crime. You could sue me in civil court, but I ain't going to jail for it. Welcome to one of the biggest problems we have, and there's no answer, because arresting people for lying just means they're going to arrest anybody they don't want to tell the truth. You're going to bring the Smith Month Act back? You're bringing that back? No government propaganda. It allowed the United States to air radio, like, what was it, radio free Europe or whatever in the United States. Yeah. So the U.S. pays for American propaganda broadcast. internationally, and Obama got rid of this law so that those broadcasts we played in the United
Starting point is 01:43:55 States. Oh, yeah. Called the Smith Month Modernization Act. Well, my, Tokyo Rose, come to America. Just about me in a vacuum. Let it all go, dude. I'm too smart for this. I do get manipulated, I'm sure, but I'm way above getting tricked by my emotions. You were just arguing with yourself. Ian's actually smarter than every person in Congress. I care about these, not stupid. I care about the commoner that doesn't think five steps ahead that gets tricked by what they see and believe at face value, they can cause a lot of damage. So I know the laws, but de facto, what can happen as a result of the technology being implemented, I'm very concerned about that too.
Starting point is 01:44:29 Maybe it's not illegal. It definitely could violate terms of service. And let me ask you a question, Ian. What do you want to happen globally in five years? Like, if you could have, if you could snap your fingers and set Earth on a path for humanity, what would the world look like in five years? We're going to have a giant freeway that you can drive from, New York to New York all around the world through Russia, through China, through Japan.
Starting point is 01:44:55 In five years. Yeah, we could get that. At least start, we could start that build. You'll start the build. We'll start the space elevator building on the moon. We'll have a unified global. We'll also have a protection in the North Atlantic. The Arctic will become a global park.
Starting point is 01:45:08 Like a global, we need to protect the Arctic. The Russia, the Chinese and the Americans need to work together to protect the Arctic. Okay, okay. So why? Because the preservation of the species goes beyond how hungry you are. I mean, we have to work together or... Why? One world government?
Starting point is 01:45:24 Why? I'm a human. Why does the preservation of species matter? I think the humans have shown that they're the best animal on the planet. And I want it to thrive. You're saying the preservation of human being? Yes. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 01:45:36 So making a park in the North Pole or the Arctic? Protect it like it's a national, a global treasure. But that's not going to help humans. What do you mean? Well, it'll help us breathe. You know, keep the air clean. There's no trees in the Arctic circle. I know, but it just, there's a lot of good air up there.
Starting point is 01:45:50 It's a very clean environment. I want to protect. This is... Don't get lost on it. It's just important. There's no trees in the Arctic Circle. They can't grow. No, I'm not seeing trees.
Starting point is 01:45:58 It's an ocean. But you want to protect it. Oceans are releasing carbon dioxide. You know, you want to protect it. Right. Like we do with Antarctica, too. Okay. So we've concluded breathing isn't a factor because...
Starting point is 01:46:08 And also, it's a central things where we could go to war very easily with Russia and China. So if we're working together to protect it, it would be even more of an incentive not to fight. So we should not fight. Humans should survive. survive. That's the principle of cause you're talking about like we want to create this big road. Humans should survive. Yeah. Why should humans survive? Well, again, it's the best animal I can find that to lead this thing. Lead what thing? This whole three-dimensional experience. But to what end? To go into orbit, populate Mars, develop super consciousness to participate with
Starting point is 01:46:43 like extraterrestrial life forms and stuff. And then what? Um, think faster, build more. make more space for other people to live and thrive, pay it forward, give people what you had and make it better? Why? Why? Uh-huh. At all? Like, why do anything? Well, I'm talking specifically about when you said, make life better for other people, give them what you had.
Starting point is 01:47:06 Why? What does that do? I'm, like, coded to think that that's an end goal. It makes it easier to be better. You're less afraid when you're a kid because you have a safe environment to grow up in. Yeah, no. now we're circular. Now you're saying, give someone an opportunity to live a good life so that there could be more
Starting point is 01:47:28 humans, so they can give people to live a good life so there can be more humans. Is there a reason to any of this? Is there a goal you have in mind? Is there a purpose? Yeah, dude, terraforming Mars. There's a lot of Mars. No, no, terraforming Mars just means humans live. Yeah, and so do dogs and so do rivers and like we want to, we want to.
Starting point is 01:47:44 Terraforming Mars is a great short-term goal. What's the end goal? I don't think it ever ends. So why do any of this this way? How important is it? Is it absolute? Must we do it? No, we don't have to do any of it.
Starting point is 01:47:59 But it could drastically improve the situation. Now what happens when you have 8 billion people and none of them agree with anything you've said? I got to convince them. Are you right? No, nobody's. Well, you know you can't convince them, right? Well, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 01:48:21 You're not convincing eight billion people, especially when you can't speak. Oh, I don't think you can convince everybody, yeah, but if you convince enough people and you get a mass, like a critical consciousness of awareness. Do you think people will resist you? Yeah, cognitive dissonance. That's a tension. Cognitive dissonance. How about just literal disagreement because you might be wrong. Right.
Starting point is 01:48:36 Or they're like, no, I want my thing. Exactly. So what I hear when you say all that stuff is, I want to impose my worldview on everyone else. Maybe. But I want people to have clean. running water? It's not a worldview. Maybe it's a worldview. What if some people don't want clean running water? Then they're going to die. No. They'll have clean running water for themselves. They don't want it for other people. Oh, they don't want other people to have clean. Well, sorry. You know, that's not what
Starting point is 01:49:02 we're, I'm not playing favorites here. Like, what if there's two tribes and like one tribe says the moon is God, the other tribe says the sun is God. And they're like, we don't want that ideology spreading because it's wrong. I would do what the colonists did. Kill him. I didn't say that. I didn't suppress them. What? Like, like occupy them and force them. I mean, if two tribes have two horrible ideas, and you have this government authority that you could use against that or to fix it, you'd probably like supplant their authority, yeah. Do you think, would you do that? Yes. Like the Chinese Communist Party does to their citizens? No, like George Washington did to the natives. Of course. Like any power, like any, like guys with guns due to people with guys without guns. Yeah, that have bad ideas,
Starting point is 01:49:38 unfortunately. But yeah, that's the rate of the world. So who's, who, how do you prove whose ideas are good? There's no real proof. It's just accepted morality. So let's agree. So what you're basically saying is, you don't know that you're right. You might be wrong, but if you have the guns, you're going to put it in their face. Force them to take clean running water and their neighbors are going to get it.
Starting point is 01:49:58 No, no, no, I said. I have to do it through threat of force, just like they did desegregation. I mean, whatever. Yeah. Sometimes you've got to use force to make people do the right thing. What about people who believe
Starting point is 01:50:06 that if they get a blood transfusion, they'll burn for eternity. They'll go to hell. Can't help everybody. I don't know. You force them at gunpoint? No. They're dying.
Starting point is 01:50:13 Oh, it's bodily autonomy. But I'm not going to, like, keep good roads and good waterways out of their city. What if there's a culture that believes your water is chemically treated and kills people, and it's got nasty garbage in it, and I want fresh spring water, and you're going to put a gun in their mouth and say, you're taking the water I tell you to take it. Well, no, I don't, that's not what I'm doing.
Starting point is 01:50:33 If they have water, I'm not going to force them to take another water supply. You know, if they have good water. You know, if they have a clean water, right? Let's say they have a murky river. And you come to them and say, we're going to clean this water for you. And then they say, they want to put chemicals in our water. look at what it does to their people. Their children want to be girls.
Starting point is 01:50:51 Get out of our land. And you go, these people are backwards with wrong ideas. I'm going to impose this on them. If it's like a city like Akron, Ohio, let's say, that's where I come from. The Cahoga River caught on fire in the 60s because they were dumping so much stuff. If that community refused to clean the river, you better believe we're imposing force because that river flows well beyond their borders. Those water tables go way outside their city.
Starting point is 01:51:12 If they're not allowing us to clean their system and they're poisoning their surroundings, I'm going to force them to clean. So Ohio, where you're at, are there Amish people around there? Do you want to impose some of your stuff on the Amish? Should the Amish have to use AI? No. Should they have to have fluoride in their water? No.
Starting point is 01:51:32 Should they have to pasteurize their milk? No. Should they have to do anything that you want because you think it's better and it would improve their life? If they're poisoning the neighbors. I want a yes or no answer. Should the Amish have to do anything? in their culture because you think it's better for them?
Starting point is 01:51:51 At this phase, no. You can't answer the question yes or no, can you? I just said no. Okay. So I don't know. I could be wrong about things. So let's take the Amish and say the Amish is the average YouTube viewer. Why should you be able to decide what the Amish watch on YouTube?
Starting point is 01:52:06 Well, it should be the terms of service should dictate that. I think it's their choice if they want to watch YouTube at all. Or pick up a paper or pick up that inquire, pick up the gateway pundit, whatever. Whether or not it's on YouTube is only a result of the terms of service of YouTube. Free speech is a slippery slope and everything you said, you want to subvert free speech to make yourself comfortable. But what about giving people, forcing people to clean their water supplies having anything to a free speech? I don't care about that. There's two.
Starting point is 01:52:32 What are you implying about free speech? I think some of the avenues that you were talking about free speech make you comfortable. Which one? A lot of it where there's supposed to be terms of service. There should be a disclaimer. people could mislead you with a video. They should be demonetized if that video is not comfortable. I don't know that has anything to the First Amendment.
Starting point is 01:52:56 Free speech does have anything. That's not free speech. You're talking about corporate terms of service on a private system. The government getting involved in private businesses, bad idea. No, that's not true at all. If the government doesn't regulate. So you want more regulation. It depends on the certain situation, but if you let corporations run on Federer,
Starting point is 01:53:15 They become governments of their own. Look at the West India trading company. The point of the questions are that there are two fundamental polls. We don't know what's right. And so we're going to leave other people be so long as they're not a threat to our way of life. And then when you butt on borders, war happens. The other thought process is the Davos Group, Chinese Communist Party view of it doesn't matter what these people think. They're wrong about almost everything and their IQs are too low to comprehend what's going.
Starting point is 01:53:45 on so they're drinking feces out of their river and they're taking dumps in the street. Why should I care the way they want to live when they're literally drinking their own feces? I went to South America and I hung out with those people in Berlin and Eikitos in Northeast Peru. And yes, there are, there's a community of people that lived, they shit in the water, they drank the water, the kids had distended stomachs. The government had completely given up on them. And they didn't know. They didn't understand what sanitation was. So when we told them, they rioted and threw trash on the mayor's lawn because they realized what the government had And then the government threw the eyeballs on us and we got out of the country.
Starting point is 01:54:18 Exactly. And now with the power, should we go in there and stop them from drinking feces? Well, we helped them learn about it and they chose to stop. That's what I did while I was there. Should we take guns? No, you don't need to. If you can teach people on sanitation, you don't need to force them. I don't know what your reversion is to the simple question I asked you is.
Starting point is 01:54:37 It's a simple question. You can say no. If you're dumping sewage into a river and you refuse to stop, we have to send in the guns. So the answer is yes. It depends on the situation. The guys in Berlin didn't need weapons. They wanted to change. They just didn't know it was available.
Starting point is 01:54:50 Should we use violence to stop people from drinking feces? Yes or no. But stop them from poisoning water supplies with feces. Yes. So, okay. I don't care if you poop in a cup and drink it. I don't care, man. It's not what we're talking about.
Starting point is 01:55:03 We're talking about people dumping in the river and drinking it. Should we stop them? Well, the river flows downstream. Yeah, you've got to protect the rivers. Okay. So you have a more authoritarian worldview on these other cultures. More than what? More than what?
Starting point is 01:55:16 You said, I have a more authoritarian world. Yes, or lean into the authoritarian spectrum. Sometimes. Yes. And so the United States agrees with you in every capacity, and that's why we're at war with Iran. Agreed. You have to stop these people from blowing up cargo ships. They're giving missiles and rocket launchers.
Starting point is 01:55:38 That's what they say. It's not a moralistic sanitation reason. We're over to conquer the country. I said, you've got to stop blowing up cargo ships. That's not the reason we're there. The Houthi rebels. were blowing up ships in the Red Sea for two years. They were blowing up ships that we had commandeered,
Starting point is 01:55:50 that were like Iranian ships. U.S. cargo ships and Russian and Chinese and South African were moving through the Red Sea through the Suez Canal, and the Houthis were launching rockets at them. You know what the U.S. ship was? This is what the... You're talking about something specific. I'm not.
Starting point is 01:56:06 I'm talking about decades of Iran funding Houthi rebels, as well as other militia groups that were attacking civilians. The U.S. said stop funding them. Iran said no. and this is one of the principal issues the U.S. is had with Iran for decades. Now, if you want to get hyper-specific on this year, go ahead and do so. I'm talking about a ship from Australia full of rubber duckeys trying to make its way to the Mediterranean to sell those rougher duckeys got blown up. And then the U.S. has a promise to all these countries.
Starting point is 01:56:39 We will stop them from blowing you up if you're on the petro dollar. Now, you can disagree with that all you want. But if the argument is there are people that are blowing up civilians and we have to stop them, that's what the U.S. is doing. I think about that sometimes. We got to grab Rumble Rans and Super Chats, but put a pin in that. We're going to talk about it, the uncensored question. And we'll see what you guys have to say. And I'm sure there's many, many in opinion.
Starting point is 01:57:07 All right. I can't read your username because we got rated and it's blocking your username. How do you know Trump is not doing anything in the USA? What if he is trying, but judges, senators and others are blocking him? That's the only way I can explain things. I'll say it like this. As somebody who lives in the D.C. area has a reporter who goes to the White House and personally knows many people in the administration.
Starting point is 01:57:29 I can tell you definitively and explicitly there is frustration among people in lower staffing positions that they have solutions to problems. And then Trump says, yeah, we want it done. And then nobody does anything. And that these things can be done, but Trump is in. prioritizing them. Trump could make a phone call and he could make these things happen and he does not do it. So there are a lot of people that, let's just say they're like people in their early 30s that we've known. Some people have even been on this show that you, that you know and have seen who are like,
Starting point is 01:58:02 yeah, we have the answer to these, but for some reason, like Trump's not telling them to do it. Just not doing it. It's like, okay. You know, there you go. Cup of Soothe says, I'm a submariner myself. SSN 708. We serve in darkness, but see more most. Bubbleheads. Love it. Metho says, was that a crimson tide reference when you said to close your watertight hatch? Watertight doors.
Starting point is 01:58:28 Absolutely. Every submarine has those. I went to, I can't remember what today I was in. It was maybe in like Massachusetts or something. We had to go in the submarine. I don't know if you, I don't know how many they have. Connecticut. There's a little museum there.
Starting point is 01:58:38 Yeah. USS Nautilus. First nuclear sub. That must have been it. And you go in one and you walk through and you come out. That's crazy sleeping in there. That's, y'all are crazy. A little claustrophobic.
Starting point is 01:58:49 Yeah. I mean, the older submarines like that, you just get used to walking like narrow and you rub your junk on other people's junk when you're passing in the passageway. I mean, when I first joined, we had hot racking. And I don't know, I know people that are watching that are submarine guys know what that is. That's where you have three people. You have two bunks. one person's always on watch, one person, two people are in the racks. And whenever the watch rotates, sometimes you climb in the rack and it's still warm.
Starting point is 01:59:23 So that's called hot. And when you're up north, you got to flip the pillow on. Where you love the Antarctic, it's really nice. It's out into a warm bed. I mean, it's really nice. All right. D. Sage says somewhere right now, Brian is yelling at Phil and his phone. Women are strong leaders, you Trump kneepad.
Starting point is 01:59:40 Is that the Shapiro guy? Yeah. Yeah. Not after the mushroom gobbler comment Look, some women, there are definitely plenty of women out there that can But the point that I'm making is that There are definitely a significant portion of women
Starting point is 01:59:54 That cannot. All right, well, YouTube's not loading properly. I can't do anything about it. I'm sorry, you guys. It does this from time and time. It just doesn't show the super chats. We're going to go to the uncensored portion of the show, so smash the like button,
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