Timcast IRL - Bobby Sauce Uncensored: Tiktok Users Join Chinese RedNote As Ban Looms

Episode Date: January 19, 2025

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And then people started getting banned for trying to talk about things that China wouldn't allow them to talk about. And I guess what these people learned is that when you are woke and retarded and you go to China and you try and say woke, retarded shit, they go, no, no, no no we don't want that here

so the funny thing about the story is they're like we're going to spite the US government by joining Red Note but all they're doing is pissing China off yeah makes sense but Red Note is just like the idea of it like

or the premise of the Red Note is like the Red Book like that's Mao's Red Book right yeah The idea of it, or the premise of the red note is the red book. That's Mao's red book, right? That's the Mao reference, right? Yeah. I don't know how I feel about that. I also saw somewhere that Mr. Beast was clout chasing today, saying he was having a meeting to buy TikTok.

I don't think you have the money. Here's a question. How come Douyin is not available on your app stores? That's Chinese TikTok? It is. And TikTok's not available in US app stores. That's Chinese TikTok? It is. And TikTok's not available in Chinese app stores. Could it be that

if Douyin was available in the United States, kids would use it and they would be sent science and math and reading? That would be nice. Instead, they're getting videos about how to cut your balls off.

And a lot more other, not just transgender things, but a lot of terrible anti-American rhetoric, brother. Yep. Well, I think that you could argue things, but a lot of terrible anti-American rhetoric, brother. Yep. Well, I think that you could argue that there's a lot of anti-American rhetoric that comes from inside the U.S. as well. I would agree with that. That's allowed.

We like that. Right. Free speech. We like that in the United States there are people who are critical of the government and people who hate the United States. Right. Because we are a free country, but we combat those ideas. But China fanning the flames and giving 115 million people an incessant stream of why America is bad. It's not really that.

I mean, I use TikTok every day, and I don't get a stream of why America is bad. I would say it's, in fact... Bro. Do you use TikTok? A little bit. Because we scour for stories and stuff. So I don't ever log in, but they've banned like two of our accounts.

All right, well, I use it regularly and it doesn't do that. It doesn't support anything. Bro, you are a victim. You are a victim of China. Okay. The way scale works, they're called- Google does the same thing. Indeed, it's an American company we can sue.

They're pressure systems. No Chinese influence. There's no Chinese influence. There's the same thing. Indeed. It's an American company. We can sue. These are pressure systems. No Chinese influence. There's no Chinese influence. There's no Chinese money in Google. Probably is. And we can sue Google. Right. So, okay.

So if you made TikTok sueable, I think I'm pretty sure. You have access to their servers. I'm pretty sure you can sue TikTok. It's incorporated in the United States. And then all the data is harbored overseas and controlled the algorithm and what people see. It is a scaling problem. So here's how here's how YouTube works, because there was a researcher that I'd worked with seven years ago and we actually went over the YouTube recommendation data.

It was publicly scrapable. So using a series of computers and reloading air air gap computers, brand new. First time they ever logged in, you open up YouTube to see what you get. Then you would do a series of like, what does the front page offer? And then you'd click a video and then it would show the recommendations and you click a video and each other recommendations. And then you basically create a series of accounts and see what YouTube recommends. It looked like it was probably like a 53 47 skew to the left. That's how the pressure system works.

Google wanted people to adhere to a liberal worldview. They said it as much when Donald Trump won and they cried. But you can't just ban every conservative because it's too obvious. What you need to do is ban just enough conservatives so over a long enough period of time, more people get liberal content. Kind of like how a casino works. You play blackjack and their edge is like, I think if you play, you know, proper, if you play by the book, you're like 49.5% chance to win. Meaning the casino might lose to you, just like you don't see any of this weird content, but for the macro scale, they are winning. So TikTok absolutely

just presses the scale like a casino and make sure that 0.5%, 1%, 2% is anti-American so that it generates anti-American sentiment over a long period of time. Famously, Phil, you might know the story. You know the story of how the Chinese would, uh, uh, with captured American soldiers, how they would try and convert them into anti-American? Yep. What they would do is, first, they go to the American soldier and they say, do you want food? And they would say, yes, I want food. And they would say, okay, tell me one thing you think America is not good at.

And they would go, what? No, no, no, no, I'm not telling you to say you hate America. It's like, what's one thing that's not good in America? There's one thing, right? And they would say, I refuse to say, okay, well, we're not going to feed you. They come back a little while later and say, there's one thing you can criticize. You don't live in a perfect country.

And then the person would say, I don't know. You know, people don't go to church enough, I guess. And they would say, was that so hard? Here's your food. You do that 1,000 times. The dude is standing up with a red salute saying, our country has betrayed us. And what they would do is the next day they'd say, remember that thing you told me about

church? What are those people doing that are not at church? And then the guy would say, I don't know, they're probably doing drugs. Who knows? They're not working. And then what they would do is they write it down. And then eventually they had the U.S. soldier write down this huge list of everything wrong with America.

And legitimately, after a certain period of time, that soldier would be like, my country sucks. Look at all these problems. They get you to say it every single day. They're doing the exact same thing at scale in the United States. Yeah, I mean, the principles of psychological subversion, I believe, are certain. They certainly exist. I'm not here to deny that that is the case. But I think that I think that that's a that's a in some ways provable thought. But I don't know that that really is happening to the extent that you that you're saying. And I think that it would be hard to to validate or verify that that was, in fact, the case. What if the anti-American sentiment happened because there was anti-American sentiment?

What if that just happened on its own? And you say, well, they're the ones that are pushing this. It's like, well, what if it just... What if they aren't? Yeah, but what if the anti-American sentiment was being pushed on its own? What if things about this specific topic were being pushed without the algorithm? Right, but you're

attributing it to them putting their thumb on the scale. Unprovably. It's not unprovable. Well, is it provable? Yes. We talked about the Israel-Palestine data, how researchers, myself included, believe that they flipped an algorithmic switch overnight.

Believe. Well, that's- everything is belief. Well, not everything is belief. We look at the data and we make an assessment as an expert who monitors these systems and works in this industry. If I'm- As an industry expert, based on the assessment of how they're used, I'll tell you this.

My personal belief is that based on the data I've reviewed, do you know, do you know, do you know the origin of Tik TOK lively and musically musically? Yes. And lively. I don't know. It was a merger.

They bought, they changed the name. The, the story that I told, I call it fictional because we'll just call it fictional. But you get the point. I will give you my opinion based on what I see as an industry expert that I could be

wrong about because TikTok would fucking sue me in two seconds. But I don't see reason to believe based on the way users behave. Those users are real. I have done the research. I've been doing the research for a very long time. Back when it was lively. Back when it was lively, back when it was musically, back when they were running

ads on Instagram. Wait, what users are real? TikTok users are not real. I'm a TikTok user. You certainly are. I'm real. Yes, you are. So how could you say they're not real? Because there is a bloat, in my opinion, based on my assessment, of largely fake users. Based?

Okay, so then based on what assessment of largely fake users. Based, okay. So then based on what? Again, okay. Then doesn't every, couldn't every platform have fake users? They do. Let me learn you some. But here's the other thing.

Let me tell you. So you can easily discern simple fake users like I described. If you look at your, so Elon Musk was recently under a bot attack over the censorship issue I would say that any reasonable researcher would determine this to be true a bot in the earlier forms

there's a whole lot to go through, I mean debt internet theory and all this stuff, so if we go to the earlier bot farms, now we have chat GPT, it's getting much much harder, but the way the bots would work when it came to debate is that you'd get categorized as an account into whatever camps exist. It could be one, two, three, four, five. So one way to determine there's a bot is when you make a statement that is at odds with faction one or faction two, you choose. Let's say there's pancakes and waffles. I come out and say,

I don't know why all these people are arguing that waffles taste better. Whatever. Seems like I'm on the pancake side, but I didn't say that. Bot farms that are targeting the debate will then take my account and categorize it as pro pancake. Never said I was. 10 minutes later, I'll post, despite the fact these people are arguing about waffles, I do think waffles are better. What happens? Accounts with names like Rick739 will say, you're a fucking idiot, waffles are better. Hold on, I literally tweeted that. It's because rudimentary bot farms have categorized you in the opposite camp and will automatically respond to your post with the opposite of whatever your camp is.

So weird. So when I say waffle good, but they think I'm pancake good, they respond with waffle, you're an idiot, waffle good. Why would they argue with me about exactly what I said? Those are rudimentary bot farms. With chat GPT and other large language models emerging, it's becoming harder to track these things. But if you go to the early days of lively musically, you would see all of these accounts from people who had no business having followers, having followers, and their comments were all rad, good, cool, super nice,

fun. So what happens is a young kid in high school gets an Instagram where a kid is dressed like the Mad Hatter singing and says, come join our app. He signs up and he gets 3000 followers and he goes, holy fuck, I got 3000 followers. He abandons X, he abandons Instagram, he abandons Facebook. Why? He's got followers. He loves this app. People are following him. Now, it appears that many of these accounts were fake. some reason have 3 million views, but on Instagram have 100,000. Likely because they are trying to trick you into believing your idea is a real idea that people like when it does not. I don't think that's true. I mean, you're entitled to your opinion, but I don't think that's true. I post the same video on every different platform, and some absolutely rip on here, and they don't do well on here.

I don't know that it's reasonable to say that. TikTok has real users. I'm not saying they don't. Yeah, I would wager that there's a large quantity of bot traffic on every single website in the entire world, including Facebook, including YouTube, including TikTok. But I would say that when I go out into the world and I talk to your average everyday person, specifically younger people and a lot of older people, like people in my dad's generation, they use TikTok.

My dad watches TikTok every day. Sure do. And he's not getting subverted. And if I look at young kids, they watch it all day long. They watch lots of things all day long. Yep. And they are being subverted. Well, then they're also being subverted by cartoons, then they're also being subverted by cartoons.

Then they're also being subverted by toys. They're also being subverted by video games. They're also being subverted by movies. They're not? No. Okay. Well, then I guess no one's trying to influence anybody anywhere but TikTok. Playing a video game and being influenced by it is different from a foreign adversary

propping up a fake platform to trick young people into using it to build an audience that they could then feed Information algorithmically to manipulate their opinions on things. I think everybody's version is different from video games I think every I think every person is vying for your attention Sure are and we don't want China to do it because their intention is to destroy our country. Yeah, I don't sir Maybe why are you so defensive of this Chinese corporation? I'm not defensive of China. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

We got to stop because you are. It's one thing for me to say, like, it's one thing to make the argument the government shouldn't ban countries from operating information platforms. It's another thing for me to say TikTok doesn't operate in China and Douyin doesn't operate in America, which is strange. And there is evidence that TikTok operates bots. And you go, that's not true. I don't believe it. No, that's clearly defensive of China. I'm not saying that TikTok doesn't operate bots. You said, I don't believe it. No, I said that you're entitled to your opinion, but I don't believe that. No, I said every single social media platform, every website in the world has bots. Yes. To clarify, when I explained that

TikTok is likely using manipulative tactics and bots to build a platform, you said you were entitled to your opinion, but I don't believe it. That is just nonsensical defense of China for no reason. Okay. When TikTok operates in the U.S., but not in China, and Douyin operates in China and not in the U.S., despite the fact that Douyin has more family-friendly academic content and TikTok has gender bullshit, defending that is just a weird defense of China. If you make the argument, TikTok itself, the U.S. government shouldn't ban countries, I get that argument. I disagree because the issue is scale of Chinese influence. But we are looking at issues particularly, I would say, evidence that indicates TikTok is a weapon.

The evidence, they don't operate TikTok in China, which is weird because we can't operate Google and Facebook and X in China. So why would it flow this direction, right? That is China uses their apps. Why wouldn't they put Douyin here? And why wouldn't they let TikTok there? Because there are things a lot on TikTok they don't want their kids to see. And they don't want us to use Douyin.

Why? They let us use Red Note. Makes no sense. When they were told divest from China and your business is fine, they said, no, instead of taking off the app store, we'd rather shut the whole company down. That sounds like a weapon. Hey, whatever.

I guess. I guess. I don't think so, but that's fine. I don't want to make the whole night about it. I get it. I don't agree, but that's fine. I understand. Well, let's ask the audience.

Let's start with St. Miles. What'd you say? You're wrong? No, I said, hurrah. He said, you're wrong. And I was like, all right. I agree, you are wrong, but hurrah. Hey, you're entitled to believe I am wrong.

Hurrah. St. Miles, you are here. It's like, you're right, you're wrong. I'm like, oh, okay. Hello? Howdy. Hi, can you hear me? Hi.

Yes. St. Miles. Oh, gee. Hey, thank you for taking my inquiry. But I've been a follower of you since your days in scanner. And my question to everybody is, with all these EOs that are being put out by Biden just before his leaving, do you think it'll fracture the newer base of the MAGA supporters that have been coming in to support him, continue supporting him? What do you mean? Well, like the directive that Biden put out about banning cigarettes.

I mean, I saw your piece earlier and I was just wondering about, do you think it'll cause fractures within the base of the mega supporters? No. Some people smoke, some people don't smoke. I know you don't like smoking. Yeah, I think smoking is so bad. It's offensive to me. I just had to have a cigarette before I came back up. You know, I smoke, but the thing is, with Biden putting in the banning and, you know, like your position is we should ban it all.

That's not my position. I made a whole video where I said we shouldn't ban smoking. I guess I misinterpreted that. Definitely. I said smoking sucks. It's disgusting. And people who vape are assholes, but they should be allowed to do it. Just don't do it near me.

I said I was against banning smoking indoors. If you want to own a bar and you want to smoke in it, you can own a bar and go smoke in it. I just won't fucking go there. If you want to put a purple-haired woman in your World War I game who's missing an arm and she's gay, go ahead and do it. I just won't buy it. And you didn't say smokers should, or dirtbags.

You said only vapers, FYI, you guys out there. The people, no, no, no. Only the people who vape and try to hide it and do it in places they're not supposed to. The essence of scumbaggery. There you go. Sorry, St. Miles. Only the people who vape and try to hide it and do it in places they're not supposed to. The essence of scumbaggery. There you go. Sorry, St. Miles. I could agree with that.

People do it here. Still? We haven't had it happen here in a while. I know the old place. I remember I was in an episode where that happened. The next time it happens, I'm kicking them out of the studio. That's fair.

Outright middle of the show, sir, get out. If they openly vape in front of me and blow, I'll say, hey, bro, you can't vape in here. And they'll say, oh, I'm sorry. But if they hide the vape in their hand like they do, they wait till I'm looking down, they go.

And people know. I've seen it happen all the time. Like, you can't not know when they're doing that. You hear the suck in. Like, it's like, what the, are you kidding me? They do it. And we have signs and we tell people, no smoking, no vaping.

And it's an insurance thing. We're not allowed to have it. Insurance is really fucking hard to get, especially when you put a skate park in your building. And people are like, I don't care. I'll go on a live show in front of three million people and vape. It's like, bro, my insurance company is going to fucking cancel my policy. Next time it happens, I'm just going to say. They really have that in the policy that you can't vape? the why what is smoking and vaping same thing is it does it

fire hazard is oh don't don't know i was gonna say is there like a is there like a psychological issue like it impairs you in some way but it's the okay fire hazard that makes sense like fire barriers in the walls we had to put fire barriers in the walls of course and then you need like there's regulations when you when you are or not are or are not required to have a sprinkler system. And then the other problem is simply by virtue of walking into a building that has any kind of athletic equipment requires a waiver for the entirety of what the sport entails. So it's like everybody who comes. It was really funny. There was a smear against me where they were like, Tim, what was going on?

Not me. It was what? It was him. Oh, uh, there was a smear against me where they said anyone, uh, they were like,

Tim pool has everyone who shows up sign a, a waiver of rights for injury. Like they're trying to make the implication that if you come here to sit down in the chair, I make you wave all rights to liability on any injury you may receive. And I was like, yeah, it's a skate park waiver. There's a giant skate park. And the insurance company requires that you sign it if you walk

in. But they try manipulating the narrative. That was what my Instagram live was going to be about tonight, how I got tricked into signing the waiver so that I could be beaten. Two poolers, people signed a waiver to go to. Yep. Two pool house people sign a waiver to go to his house.

And he hit me with a shovel on the way out the door. They're right there? I only got a couple for you. Most companies require you sign an NDA to go in the building. I feel like that makes sense.

We don't. Sounds very communist. Excellent. I do like the idea. You're like, you sign the form, you hit dot on the I and then he just hits you

in the head with a shovel. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Largely because big media studios don't want people to disclose where they are. Yeah. Anyway, St. Miles, did you want to add anything to that? Did he ask this question? No, I think I got what I needed. I don't think anybody that's a big MAGA person is going to care what Biden does,

and he's going to go into, as DeSantis says, into the dustbin of history. And I think a lot of people will be quick to forget anything and everything that he does. And anything that can be reversed will likely be done, I think, post haste. So I would imagine that three months from now, we won't even talk about him or think about him, I would hope. His little dying breath before he goes like literally and metaphorically um it's not going to stand still it's going to be it'll be done before yeah he'll try i think i mean i think there's whether or not you agree that there's a mandate which there there are people that make the argument that oh this is there's a sweeping mandate because

trump won with 77 or whatever million votes and and that's fine. But it was clear that the American people wanted to move away from the left, whether it be the fact that Kamala Harris picked up zero counties. There was not one county that she flipped. Trump flipped, I think, 10 in California alone. He won the, obviously, he won the popular vote, which hasn't happened for a Republican since, I believe... Over a

quarter of a decade, I think. No, no, no. It wasn't... What's the first time? A quarter of a century. I thought it was the 70s or 80s. Well, it would have been George Bush. If it wasn't George Bush Jr., it would have been George Bush Sr.

So that would have been since the 90s or since the 80s. What else? It was a clear decision by the American people to move away from the left. Everything moved to the right to some degree. Very few people

moved to the left. Essentially, the American people are like, like look these policies have been tried we've had a democrat in in the president in the office of the president and in control of the house and senate for 12 of the past 16 years and basically it seems like people are like look the four years that trump was in office were good. We liked it. And so we want more of that. So whether you consider it to be a mandate because of a sweep or a mandate because of the number of people or whatever, it's clear that the the the the left, the American people are tired of the left. I don't think that's really up for debate.

Real quick. That's true for sure. We should have the last 16, 12 of the last 16 to 4 years that we're not, we're peaceful. We got to think about that. We will jump to the next caller. Thanks for calling in, St. Myles.

Thank you very much. Shout out to the After Dark crew. Right on. Thanks for calling in. Shout out, St. Myles. Next up, we got Seabass. What is up? Hey Miles. Next up, we got Seabass. What is up? Hey, what's up? It's Seabass' daughter.

Oh, it's Seabass' daughter. Hey. Yeah, hi. My name's Audrey. I'm an 18-year-old Gen Z. My dad has been a member of the show since the beginning. Best. And a few episodes that I've watched, I've really enjoyed,

and I appreciate everything you guys do. Cool. Thank you. Thanks. Thank you. He told me about sucking toes last time. The effort, man,

that was him last week. You got a, you got a question. Yeah, I do. Um, I, uh,

just graduated from high school and I was thinking about going to be you or some other college on the East coast, but with the out of state fees, books, et cetera. Um, my question is, is college essential for our current generation success? Nope. going to BU or some other college on the East Coast, but with the out-of-state fees, books, etc., my question is, is college essential for our current generation's success? Nope. I'm a high school dropout.

If you want to be successful like me, you should have never gone to high school. I mean, too late now. There's nothing you can do about it. I would say graduate high school. Nah. High school is also a waste of time. What about the lawyers? As you say, lawyers and doctors. Haven't you ever seen Catch Me If You Can?

Haven't you ever seen Catch Me If You Can? I have. And Tom Hanks is like, how'd you do it? And he's like, how'd you pass the bar? And he's like, I studied. I would say that college is generally not necessary for a multitude of different things, but it depends on what your field of study is. And for the vast majority of fields of study, I would say real life experience is probably of a higher value. And even going out of state and paying an inflated amount of money

for an education that you could theoretically get in close proximity, I would say is even more of a waste unless that specific area lends itself to being more equipped to handle that trade. There's a guy that won a gold medal throwing the javelin that learned to throw the javelin on YouTube. That literally happened in the last Summer Olympics. He doesn't need college, though. So, what?

What do you mean by college? Well, the point is you don't need college to learn something. He's saying don't become a doctor in school. Just go look up stuff about doctors on YouTube and then go search for things. I changed up my heater core from YouTube. No, the point is that college is not necessary to learn things. There's a wealth of information on the internet all you have to do

is have the discipline to sit down and actually learn how to college and there are certain things yeah there are depending on the trade there are certain things that you want to go to college for if you want to be a doctor or whatever fine that's something where it's important to go to probably go to to school because you're not going to get hired as a doctor. We got to hold on. An engineer. If you want to be, you can do anything without college.

The issue is that there's regulations. If you want to be a doctor, you go to a doctor training program. Just so happens those are at medical schools. So school itself, like college and university institutions are worthless 100% of the time. If you want to be an academic that works in a university, it's not the university

you are considering to go to. Like you're not going to college. You are literally going to where you want to train for your job. If you want to be a lawyer, you are going to the training for your job. If you want to be a doctor, you're going for the training for your job. But the fact that universities have weird program requirements, dorm requirements, cash money, all of that other bullshit. So there's only probably three industries where your job training is a college. That's it. So that's 99.9999999%. You have no reason to go to the universities. So that's like myself. I went to a I went to trade school. I went to electrical school. I got like one or two math classes.

No, nothing else. But it was all basically focused on the job that I was going to do after I got out. So that would kind of be near scenario of schooling wise. I didn't I didn't need to learn about social study, you know, gender, queer and name any name her trade that she wants to go into? Maybe we could ask her that. Yeah, what do you want to do? I was thinking about going into sports media, being a social media person for any specific sports team professional. Then definitely no. Yeah, do not go to college.

That is a certain no. If you said you wanted to be an environmental engineer or something like that, then yeah. But that, then yeah. But that, definitely not. Anything social media related, anything video related, your demo reel and examples of your work will go

farther, way farther than anything to do with your school certifications. Yeah, I'd be honest. If two people came to me, and they were both 22, and one said, I recently graduated college. I do sports media and I would like to do sports media for you. Here's like my social media.

Here's the stuff I've done. And then another person said, I didn't go to college at all for the past four years. I've been working in sports media. Here are the people I've worked with. I would not hire the college student. Yeah, 100%. But if you want one of those mythical debt, like laptop jobs where they just make like $350,000 a year and nobody knows what any of them do you do after college i'm sorry what if you love your

government i mean if i understand correctly those jobs are impossible to find now i know it's uh well you ever like drive you ever like walk through the airport you see all the people on their they're on their laptops they're on their spreadsheets i'm like what do they do like what like what is that spreadsheet for? It has to be for something. Well, for us, it's our guest list. Yeah. So someday when I'm at an airport, I want you to like, just for one day,

I want to handle the guest list so I can be the guy at the airport working on a spreadsheet. Yeah, so depending on what you want to do in sports media, you should immediately start tweeting, ex-posting, and posting on Instagram about sports and the in sports media, you should immediately start tweeting, ex-posting, and posting on Instagram about sports

and the kind of media you care about. And using hashtags, going to sporting events, and start making videos. Here's a really easy way to get started. Go to football games and ask people who are tailgating and drinking beers, ask them their thoughts on the game

and who they think's going to win, what they think's the outcome, did they make any bets? Make videos like that. It will start very small. But even if you only like, let's say you never get a big amount of followers, but you end up making a hundred of these videos, you now have a portfolio and you can be like, oh yeah, for the past year, I've been producing videos at football games, talking with the fans. You will improve at it. People will find your content.

If you are good at it, you will improve greatly. If not, you at least have a portfolio. You can go to a company and say, here's the work that I've been doing. I can do this for you. And they'll say,

okay. Also, I would say that the highest probability that your videos will get discovered in distribution is on TikTok. He would say that. It's true. It's a fact. No doubt. But yeah, that's great advice. You gotta, any, you know,

you have to do it. That's basically just get it done. That's the Tim Cass IRL ethos for ever since I've been watching this freaking show is fucking do it. I would argue that discovery arguments of greater discovery are um what's the right word paradoxical they themselves can't exist if every you literally everyone can't be on the front page

yeah yeah okay so it's it's not i that the distribution, I find that distribution for non-subscription-based followings is best on TikTok. It offers the greatest probability of great distribution of all the platforms. Well, it's certainly not YouTube. That's for sure. Right, so I would say, like, by far, the easiest platform to gain a large following is TikTok.

The easiest platform to discover or be discovered is TikTok. The easiest platform to discover or be discovered is TikTok. The easiest place to get your videos to accumulate a tremendous amount of views based on merit primarily is TikTok. At least until Sunday. I think it'll be back, but that's my opinion. For talking sports media, Instagram and Facebook are probably the best.

And Facebook, because your Boomer parents are going to also be checking Facebook for sports scores and for people talking about those things. So those are probably great platforms for that. Aubrey, was it? Aubrey or Aubrey? I'm going to go TikTok. Did you just say?

Audrey, yeah. Audrey. Okay, Audrey. Hoorah. TikTok. I really appreciate the advice and the discussion. Thank you so much, gentlemen. I really appreciate it.

Thank you for letting me ask my question uh tim you and your team do a really great job and i appreciate everything you do uh phil is on the show uh i've never heard of you or your band before but my dad showed me your song divine and it's definitely a new favorite of mine it's really really good thank you very much i appreciate that lastly my dad said to say to serge rock on so that is all i have for you gentlemen and thank god she didn't ask a tiktok question yeah right on thanks for thanks for calling in thank you so much have a good night turns out i got paid by china like a month ago sophistic penguin Sophistic penguin. Like this dude. I know this person. Yo.

Hey, Tim. What's going on? Thanks for having me. Not much, just a long night. I wanted to ask you guys about a poll that USATA put out yesterday. Basically, it was an open-ended response question about who is leading their Democratic Party right now. And the top two largest responses were don't know and nobody. an open-ended response question about who is leading their democratic party right now and the

top two largest responses were don't know and nobody that's funny that's funny who would it kamala harris hakeem jeffries were at the top of the list of actual people and then uh newsome aoc and uh fetterman were all on towards the bottom of that list. Wow, we're in 2028. Watch Fetterman take over. That's what I'm talking about. Fetterman 2029. That's his game plan. But I don't know. I don't know if he's all there.

No. Question, sir. I didn't mean to cut you off. I was just kind of wondering what you guys thought about that or if it kind of makes sense. I mean, they talk about some of the chances and opportunities based on what the individual polling bursts on different groups were.

AOC has a chance because of the Hispanics who were putting don't know. Was the point of the poll who they think is going to run for president next or who they believe is front runner and really the face of the party now? Who has, I guess, the leader of the party. I don't think it's for president or anything like that. when people think that they still think it's obama or nancy

pelosa i would think it's i would think it's hakeem jeffries personally okay because he has he has a verifiable position of authority being the theoretically the next Speaker of the House or would be. I think that he's young enough. I think he checks the right boxes, right? And I think that he is pretty articulate and probably smart. I disagree with him on pretty much everything. But I don't know that AOC has the same level of authority as he does. I don't think that any of the other people do. You could say Newsom maybe, but this might've damaged his operation. I don't think it's Kamala really, because I don't think she's going to really be a thought leader because she's not even going to be in government anymore. So I would say it's him probably. That's just my opinion.

People like Richie Torres, maybe Hakeem Jeffries. Hakeem, he's pretty ideological currently, but I don't I don't know if he's if it's actually what he believes deep down or if it's just what the Democrats need, you know, need him to say. But like I said, people like Richie Torres, I think might actually there's there's a couple other people that are like that are Democrats that are like we need to get away from the whole woke thing and we need to get away from the identitarianism and stuff because a lot of people are rejecting that nowadays. They, they, they've identified that that didn't work for Kamala Harris and there needs to be changes. And so I'm not sure who would be the person, but I do think that Richard Torres,

uh, likely is going to be influential in the future. I would bet Josh Shapiro is going to be pretty influential. I think he's kind of, uh, he's Jewish and the left doesn't like Jews. I'm not kidding, man. It's not like I agree, but the reason that Kamala Harris

didn't pick him, and likely a major part of the reason why, well, I don't think he would have won. Chuck Schumer's a J though. I thought they asked him to turn it down. I'm not 100% sure. Schumer's not going to be a leader. No, I know, but I'm just saying he is a prominent J. He's the leader of the Senate, or was.

Yeah, he loves my state. Everyone, not myself, but I mean, he's okay in my book, but no one has any kind of major beef with freaking Josh Shapiro. I just think, yeah. I know, besides he's a D. Popular, young, articulate person. Yeah. Maybe, you know what I mean? I don't know. I's a D. Popular, young, articulate person. Yeah. Maybe.

You know what I mean? I don't know. I'd go with Dean Phillips. Dean Phillips, I feel like he's a decent, moderate Democrat. He's not the leader now, but he can be. He might need to be because he's not crazy. I don't even know who that is. Oh, he was running. He has decent stances.

They kicked him out right away. Like, get him what else? Of course. The Democrats, you know, they kicked him out. This decent stances. They kicked him out right away, like anyone else. Of course. The Democrats kicked him out. This is too good. They kicked out Marion. They kicked out RFK. But he's all right. You know what's ironic is had RFK actually been given a fair shot,

I think he might have been the only person that could have actually beat Trump. If he became the Democratic nominee, I think he actually might have won. It's possible. I think he would have been the only person that could have actually beat Trump. Like if he became the Democratic nominee, I think he actually might have won. I think he would have been the only person that could have beat him other than like a Michelle Obama type or somebody that's completely out of the box. I would say that like he might have been able to beat him if they all rallied behind him and didn't point out the things they didn't like about him.

It's like, you got a guy that's doing pull-ups. He's a Democrat in theory, you know, he's saying lots of things about health, which I think even though the left is, is, is zany, I think that it's going to be hard for them to disagree with like people getting healthy. He said anything wrong about any vaccine. They got, they spit on him, they puke on him, they fucked on his face. They're like, you know, you can't say anything

bad about the vaccines. Well, maybe that, maybe it would have come to pass that he would have quieted down about that when it came later, you know, as a strategic way of, of getting over the finish line and then your truth can come out, you know? So I don't know. Like Pete in women to combat. So he's being nice now, but in the real world,

let's go. Well, right, exactly. So, cause I mean, it is still politics at the end of it, at the end of the day.

it is. And like deception or whatever you want to call it, lying, lying through a mission is certainly happening of the day. Yeah, it is. And like, deception or whatever you want to call it, lying, lying through a mission is certainly happening all the time. Is there anything else you wanted to add to that or shout out?

Nothing really to add to that. I guess my only shout out is we're living in the ultimate timeline where John Huntsman didn't get the Republican nomination in 2012. What is that? What? John Huntsman didn't get the Republican nomination in 2012 what is that what

John Huntsman he was governor of Utah and was in the primaries in 2012 and made a lot of arguments that Trump was making but he was the nice Mormon version yeah fuck the Mormons well right on man

thank you thanks for calling in cheers man shout out Yeah, fuck the Mormons. Well, right on, man. Thank you. Thanks for calling in. Cheers, man. Shout out. And last but not least, we have... Is it frozen? What's the... Preston Pieces.

What's up? Good evening, everyone. It's the Tim Cass pilot here. My question for the crew tonight, given that in spite of what Biden says, Trump is the reason for Hamas and Israel finally coming to a ceasefire. What is the over under on China and Russia following suit, maybe not with an outright ceasefire in case of Russia, but some kind of de-escalation. Russia, a bit likely, but still, who knows? China, never.

China's going to tell Trump, fuck off. They might not make any moves, but there's no active conflict right now, but they are taking Taiwan. All right, they got that huge thousand-year plan, so they're not slowing down. They'll take a pause. Wait it out. Wait it out until the next election. Yeah, they're thinking in terms of like hundreds of years, 150, 200 years. They're not thinking short term.

So to them, it doesn't matter if it's now or in 25 years eventually their their position is eventually taiwan will be reunited with the with the mainland and uh if we can get the chips act which is a complete failure because of dei if we can get um any other um chip acts here in in the united states of america. If we bring them everything here, then we'll say, okay, fine, you can have twine. Nobody gives a F. Do you know that? Do you know that for a fact? Is it actually the chip?

Oh, no, yes, Matt. It's failing because of DEI. They want so many regulations. There's so many certain quotas. They've been failing in Texas and places. Yeah, man. It's like everything fucking Biden has done has been fucking failures

because of their stupid regulations and their DEIas they don't can't they can't do live band they can't do what's it called uh bandwidths they can't do anything and it's just everything they wanted to do has just been shit because they want fucking quotas and regulations and they're fucking failing yep um but um his answer Brett, anything on this gentleman? You covered it. Okay. Yeah, I mean, the Chinese aren't looking at things in short term. Yeah, yeah.

I would say that the Putin part of it, it's like he, generally speaking, is, I would say, a businessman. And I think that if you have two people that are business-minded, that they could come to some type of negotiation and an agreement that that war could end. I don't think anybody really benefits by it. So I would think that that would be, to agree, more likely solved quicker than the China situation. Yeah, I think I think Trump will solve the Ukraine thing. The China thing hasn't kicked off. So they're going to sit there staring and waiting. Who knows?

All right. That makes sense to me. I won't take up much more of your time. Phil, it's finally, it's great to finally, you know, actually be on the show when you're here.

I'd say my favorite, all that remains song is probably what if I was nothing sick. Thank you very much. I'd say my favorite All That Remains song is probably What If I Was Nothing. Sick. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. And Tim, I just asked that if Tim Kass ever decides to open up a position for pilots that I'm considered. You know, we were

looking at buying what were we looking at? What do you call it? Hold on. Asiris. You know what that is, right? Yes. And the problem is you can get a jet for a cheap price and it's relative. Like 100k?

No, like 200. Okay. I mean, you're talking used 80s. The Cirrus one, I think, was like a million or whatever. I think it was like 900. But you can get like a turboprop or an old jet for a couple hundred thousand dollars. Then you got to maintain it. You got to store it.

You got to hire a pilot. And so we're like, that's where it becomes expensive. And then it still costs thousands of dollars every time you fly somewhere with fuel and with landing fees. So maybe one day, man, maybe one day,

if we get enough people to send it and become members, then yes, you're hired. We'll get there. It's definitely more of a convenience than a cost saving measure. For flying? For specifically buying your own

plane and handling it versus just getting a ticket on an airline. Not a ticket on an airline. I'd like to give a shout out to our good friend, Patrick Bet-David, for being a dick. Because the story was, he I got a message from our PR person who said, would you like to debate Cuomo on the PBD podcast Saturday morning? And I said, yeah, but I can't because we do a show Friday night and there's no way for me to fly to Miami.

And she said, okay, let me tell him. They came back and said, what about a debate Saturday evening? And I said, still, that means I wrap the show at 10. I'm in, I'm what, like ready to go to bed by 11. Then I got to wake up in the morning, catch an early flight to Miami and go straight to a debate. That's brutal.

There's no way I'm doing travel like that. See if they really want me to come and they want to get me a charter, I could do it. So she emailed back saying, it's just impossible with that tight of a schedule for Tim to do a commercial flight and be ready to debate. It's just, it's not going to happen. If you guys want to do a commercial or a charter, Tim could fly immediately after the show and go to bed, wake up, have breakfast, and then do the debate. And they said, well, we don't do that, but we understand. So, you know, we'll see what they think. And then PBD went on his show and said, Tim Pool is refusing to come and do a debate

unless I buy him a private jet. This guy, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I remember that. And I was like, first of all, I never even talked to him. It was my PR person. And I said, hey, I'm not going to be able to make a Miami unless there's a charter. Sorry, it's not going to happen. So shout out to TPUSA. It was my PR person. I said, hey, I'm not going to make a Miami unless there's a charter. Sorry, it's not going to happen.

So shout out to TPUSA. TPUSA is like, will you guys come and do the show? Well, actually, this year and last year, I asked him. I said, hey, we love doing the show. You guys want to keep doing it? Charlie Super Ray said, absolutely. They know, however, to bring a full crew because it's a Friday. So I had to.

What did we do this time? You did Culture War and then Flew? Culture War. You pre-recorded it. I pre-recorded before. So that means Thursday, I think first thing Friday morning, they got us a charter. TPUSA is like, we want you to do the show at TPUSA. And I'm like, right, I can't get a commercial flight first thing Friday morning and make it to Arizona in time.

So they get us a charter. There's no way for me to do half the things I do without getting private charters. And so they're usually not jets. We do like a turboprop. Flew in a King Air. And it's funny because I was talking to this guy who works at a fleet. And I said, I don't know if we need jets because, like, we could take a cheapo King Air.

He goes, oh. Like, people who know planes are like. Are they scoffed at it? Yeah, they're not nice. Okay. But we've flown on some nice little private jets. But I would say this commercial is way more comfortable. You get good food. It's orderly.

You don't got to worry about it. Private is great because it's instant. So if it's like, Tim, we need you to host a show on the other side of the country and you got to do it within 12 hours of your last show. It's like, then you need to get me a plane literally after my show wraps or first thing in the morning that I can fly on. And then you weigh the costs. How much does it cost to do a private charter? Like from here to Miami, I think could be 20 to $30,000. If someone's hosting a show and they're like, we expect to do a private charter? Like from here to Miami, I think it'd be $20,000 to $30,000. If someone's hosting a show and they're like, we expect to do $50,000 on this episode if Tim Pool comes. Okay.

Well, what's your hard cost? Mostly nothing. Right. Well, in order for me to get there, I can't fly commercial. I can't do it in a day's notice. I need a round trip charter. But now I'm not going to make 30 grand. I'm going to lose 30 grand.

Well, I can't do it. Thank you. Have a nice day. It's no beef. I'm not mad. You know, but there you go. So you don't buy a private jet, you charter it. Anyone who scoffs at

a turboprop is just an absolute snob. They're perfectly fine for U.S. domestic travel. Yeah. But like... He said yeah. The point is, who wouldn't want to be on trump's jet oh yeah like you want to be on a 737 with its own spa you know i mean that look your own jacuzzi

if i get booked for a show and the people booking the show think they're going to make a certain amount of money and regionally charters are like 13 grand round trip here so if someone says we want you to come to new York or Chicago or whatever, we can drive some of these. If it's within two hours, no problem. Three hours, I would totally drive. Five hours, it's got to be a flight. Five is where it gets too heavy.

But yeah, man, maybe we'll one day get enough members to where we have our own like 1980 five-seater or something. Fingers crossed. All right, appreciate it, y'all. Y'all have a good night. Thanks for calling in. Alright, everybody. Tomorrow, we have

I believe we have meet Kevin. And we're going to ask him to be the governor of California. You do it. Because he ran, didn't he? Oh, wait, we don't. He did. He tried to make his... We don't have? Yeah. Oh, wait, we don't. He did. He tried to make his... We don't have me, Kevin. He canceled on us.

Oh. This is why we don't announce guests. Yep. Because maybe he was never booked, and I shouldn't say that, but he was on our guest list, and now it's Ned Ryan. Who is it? Ned Ryan. He's been on the show before.

Yeah, Ned's too. Friday's going to be based, because we have for the Culture War, Andrew Wilson, Myron Gaines, Luke Beasley, and Pondering Politics. Bro, Friday's going to be based because we have for the Culture War, Andrew Wilson, Myron Gaines, Luke Beasley, and Pondering Politics. Bro, that's going to be amazing. You've got to go like three hours. It's going to be the weirdest, weirdest, weirdest shit ever. A lot of yelling. All right, everybody.

Thank you all so much for being members and hanging out, and we will see you all tomorrow morning. you