Timcast IRL - Charlie Kirk Assassinated, Suspect In Custody w/ Chuck Gray

Episode Date: September 11, 2025

Tim Pool & Crew discuss the assassination of Charlie Kirk.   Hosts:  Tim @Timcast (everywhere) Phil @PhilThatRemains (X) Libby @LibbyEmmons (X) Elaad @ElaadEliahu (X) Ian @IanCrossland (everywhere) Serge @SergeDotCom (everywhere) Guest: Chuck Gray @ChuckForWyoming (X)

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It's all delivered with our trademark blend of skepticism, humor, credibility, and practicality. 10% have here is self-help for smart people. Come join the party. Today, Charlie Kirk was assassinated at an event in Utah. I'm sure most of you have already seen the news by. now we've all been talking about it quite a bit. The videos that emerge out of Utah are shocking. There is some news. The FBI states that they have a subject in custody. We don't know exactly what this means or what's happening. Videos have emerged that show an individual running across

the rooftop at the event. And Charlie Kirk has lost his life. Donald Trump has issued a statement and has ordered flags lowered to half staff. There's some very respectful and honorable things that I've seen. The Yankees had a moment of silence for Charlie. And there's a lot to talk about in the news, what this means. It almost feels completely unreal and unbelievable to have to do a show starting by saying that they killed Charlie Kirk. But we're just going to jump into it. We've got a panel. Heck of a day to join us, Chuck. Charlie Kirk was an icon. He did so much in our country. He did so much in Wyoming where I'm from. I've been on the phone with Turning Point students all day from across Wyoming. He just did an event in late April

at the University of Wyoming and he spent three hours taking questions, debating, talking about the truth. And he formed Turning Point USA to say, we need to have a dialogue on college campuses. He's talked about this so eloquently so many times. That's why he started it. Do you want to just give a quick introduction to? Yeah, I'm Chuck Gray, the Wyoming's Secretary of State, chief election official for the state of Wyoming, also serves the second in command, the lieutenant governor in Wyoming, and really sad about today's events. Thanks for joining. Normally I tell the guest it's going to be a fun one, but this is going to be a substantially more serious and painful one, but Libby is here as well. Yep, I'm Libby Emmons.

I'm actually glad to be here among friends to talk about Charlie's passing and to remember him. Thanks for having me on. A lot, Eliahu White House correspondent here at Timcast. Hey, I'm glad to be here. Charlie was, I only spent a couple times hanging out with them and did a couple shows with Charlie, but he's one of the greatest. All right, let's move on, man. Let's take this talk. Hey, Phil.

How you doing? My name's Philibonte. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band, all that remains. Let's get into it. Behind Phil, we put up our autographed, signed Charlie Kirk poster. Several years ago, he joined us for a debate on Timcast, IRL, with the progressive leftist Vosch, and he signed it for us, and we put it up. I, where do we start?

Charlie was doing what Charlie always does. He was doing events where he engaged with the college kids. He allows anybody who wants to come and talk to him to talk to him. He epitomized what these progressives and these liberals have long called for, which is democracy. He said, okay, we'll have the conversation. We'll have the debate. That's all he ever did. It was an above board organization. It is. Turning point action and Turning Point USA, as well as Turning Point UK, and all of their affiliates are typical, on the level, proper filing all the good stuff to function fairly and honorably in a Democratic Republican form of government. And he got killed. Now, there, there, there is some information that we can show you what's going on in social media. Let me see if I can, see if I can find this. I don't even know if we should show some of these tweets.

I'm not going to show this one. There's a tweet that people have surfaced where someone says that they hope something happens to Charlie. And then they followed up by saying something will happen tomorrow. Who, who said that? It's a, it's an anonymous Twitter ex account. I think they've found the person behind it. Cash has made a statement. I'll pull this up from post-Munial suspect in Charlie Kirk assassination in custody. There's actually been an update on that. On the article? No, the article hasn't been updated because I just got the update just now.

Cash Patel said the suspect in custody has been released after an interrogation by law enforcement. Our investigation continues and we will continue to release information in interest of transparency. So that's actually the second suspect who has been released. today. They don't know who did it. They have no idea. Was it like 200 yards away from a building with a high-powered rifle? There was something about

people running across somebody running across a roof yeah, but they don't have any idea who did this but it's, I mean if it was somebody on a roof that's the same playbook as the attempt on the president's life last summer, yeah? This is

I don't really, okay, I'm just going to say this. I think that somebody was afraid, who's the next Trump? And they thought it was Charlie. Well, Charlie had a good shot of becoming president. You know, I would have voted for him. The odd thing about these suspects was that I was watching Fox News earlier, and there were actually multiple people who were interviewed live on Fox News, who said the people in custody were not the right people.

And it gave it a really weird vibe immediately, because you saw these videos going around of some bald old man saying, Esme, and he was saying, you know, I have a right to remain silent and whatnot, and you have to imagine there's no way that a person like this could get away. There's just so many questions, Mark's here.

So many people are in shock. Charlie Kirk was a guy who dedicated his life as early, I believe, in high school or even maybe before that, to conservatism and conservative politics. And he was murdered. while doing the things that he loved. I think the reason why this strikes so many conservative commentators and politicos and whatnot

is because Charlie Kirk was so deeply in tune with so many different creators and journalists and right-wing media figures in the space. I did a stream, I think, around 5 o'clock. I wanted to wait. I'll try and just give you guys the quick breakdown of, you know, what was going out through the day on RN News. News. wise. You can imagine with the show that we do, we have sources, we have friends who work in the administration, we are friends with Turning Point. They have been just always so amazing to us.

They treat us like royalty. I never knew why. I was always just, you know, Charlie was always so good to us. He made us feel like Kings. We, for the past three years, we were on stage at Turning Point. They brought us up there. They took care of us to make sure we can get our team out there. And I want to just say, when we went out, when we do these trips, it's really hard because we have this regularly scheduled nightly show. Charlie not only built us a temporary studio, he let us use his personal studio, but while it was being built. And he personally stayed late with us when all of his staff went home to make sure we were taking care of. This man was so good to us. It is hard to believe that this has happened.

And I'm just so pissed off for a million and one reasons. for all the obvious reasons everybody understands there are many, many more people who have much more right to be angry than I, of course. So my thoughts and my prayers are with his family and his friends and his organization and, you know, just we're at their disposal, whatever they need, whatever we can do.

It's outrageous they don't have somebody. Maybe there's something going on behind the scene, but... I mean, look, you have a big crowd of people and this is the thing about Trump. This is the thing about Charlie. These guys will walk up to you and shake your hand, and they will say, tell me what's up. We just saw a video of Trump. Pro-Palestine protesters called him Hitler, and Trump walked right up to him.

Why were those people allowed to get so close to the president? That has to stop. I don't know. That has to stop, too. But it is, and this worries me, when the assassination attempt on Trump was made, people pointed out that Trump intentionally doesn't like heavy security because he wants people. to be able to talk to him. When you're at Mara Lago, that's like JFK. Yeah. When you're at Mara Lago, we've been there a couple times. You walk right in. I mean, if, if, if, if, you know,

you're not tag you. I mean, there's like a little. When you, when you walk in, if you're not dressed appropriately, they just say, how, how are you? Can we help you? Because there's a dress code here. When we, when we went there and they said, the president's going to be having a dinner, and I went and bought a suit. I did. People are like, Tim, what wear a suit for that? I did buy a suit. we walked right in. You walk right in. There's Speaker Mike Johnson in a room. There was, I think Rob Blagoevich was there. And we saw Trump. And I walked right up. And Bruceowitz was there. And he was like, Mr. President. I'd like you to meet. I think this actually before the election. Was it before the election? Yeah. It was. He said, I wanted to introduce you to him. My hand,

there's no security. It's like secret service is there, but they're, you know, in their designated locations. And Charlie was very much like that. He was doing these events. and he wanted to be accessible to the best of his abilities. That's why he goes out to these campuses and he sits there in a campus and says, come and have a conversation with me. Charlie won the debate, and that's why these people took his life because they had no response to someone who had so thoroughly won the debate. I mean, so it's a, I mean, it's a tough day for everybody,

especially people that, you know, believe in what Charlie was doing, right? like he went to people that disagreed with him and he said let's talk about it let me give you insight into the way that i and people that i'm politically aligned with think and i just saw a tweet that literally just made you know kind of knock me over it the guy said what's the point of liberalism if it leads to the let's talk about it guy bleeding out on a debate stage yeah and i don't want to give up on our republic because the option is to do things that are you know is to take liberties away from people and that's not good for america but the people that killed charlie the people that are celebrating charlie's death they don't believe in liberalism they're not liberals as much as well that's the name that they get you know they get that is used to describe them they're looking for a reaction and today everybody's emotions are so high or so you know it's such a painful day like it's really hard to not you know post things that are TOS violations or say things that are

that are really bad you know um so it's it's it's just really tough to to you know control that impulse because there are terrible things that I want to say and terrible things that because I'm emotional about the whole thing we've been talking about how the political climate in this country is going to lead to these kind of things we were talking about it i mean i've been here going on three years and we've since i started coming on the show we've been saying where's the off ramp where's the off ramp how do we stop this how do we prevent this from escalating and then it's been you know political using the government going after the political enemies and then there was the on Donald Trump, two attacks on Donald Trump.

Some people call one of the dudes that jumped on stage, a third attack on Donald Trump. And now Charlie, where does it end? Because Charlie was so milk toast, everyday conservative. He was so inoffensive. This is what terrifies me. The guy that comes after Charlie is not inoffensive. But it terrifies me that that's who they're going after. Charlie Kirk was mainstream conservative, you know, so articulate.

He was not an extremist. He was a regular, it was moderate politics, and that's who they kill. It was common sense. Boris Johnson in his post on X today said that Charlie Kirk was communicating common sense. That's what, that's what, make America great again. That's what it is. It makes, this is just Martin Luther King. This is like them taking Martin Luther King's life.

The man spoke for a generation of people that had been relegated or felt relegated, and he threatened the political power. Martin Luther King could have commanded 10,000 people to go push a button and they would have done it. Charlie had that same power. Mr. Gray, can you tell us a little bit more about how you think we should be feeling and thinking about this in an age of political violence? you're an elected official, do you know, do you feel those pressures on you as well? What's your reaction here?

Well, earlier, we were talking about what's the off-ramp? Well, the off-ramp is what Charlie Kirk was presenting, which is this vibrant political debate. When he came to the University of Wyoming in late April, he spoke for about, I'd say, seven to nine minutes, and then it went straight to Q&A. the Q&A that he was known for, and he would have these very respectful, back-and-forth debates on the issues of the day, and it was broadcast live. I mean, it's a pivotal part. I mean, when we look at the polling numbers on Gen Z and the transformation politically of Gen Z, turning point is a pivotal part of that. And Charlie, Charles, a visionary. I don't think we should

dilute the facts here about the loathing of the left towards Charlie Kirk. They thought he was a misogynist because he was pro-life and he was irredeemable because of that. They thought he was irredeemable because he supported Israel and they would accuse him of supporting genocide. They think that because he was willing to call out black violence towards white people that he was a racist and that all of this stuff makes him an irredeemable white supremacist bigoted racist that many on the left are actually going to celebrate we shouldn't dilute ourselves they are thinking otherwise and there's already been photograph if this monster is ever found which god willing they will be soon i think they will be turned into a luigi miangioni type figure we're in an

era of political violence i mean if he's prosecuted and convicted spencer Cox, the governor of Utah, said that he wanted to remind everyone that Utah still has the death penalty. Yes, yes, but what a lot is saying is that they lionize Luigi Mangani. He's a hero to the left. Yes, they do. And when they do catch this guy, the left is going to make portraits of him as a saint, and they're going to put him on their magazine covers. And they're fake religious candles. Indeed. Charlie Kirk was more than just a political commentator. I think he was an American icon of conservatism. He was more than just himself. He was really a figurehead for conservatism. The new age of conservatism. He was only, I believe, 31. 31 years old. Started when he was a teenager, built up. Didn't go to college. The most powerful political

organization of our generation. People were just talking last year how when we were, when we were at TPUSA, parties were popping up. James O'Keefe had a party as he does these parties at turning points. He used to have great parties. They're the biggest parties. And I'm talking to people saying like Charlie has basically built political, he's like, this is the beginning of a political South by Southwest. Yeah. This is huge. Yeah.

And then when he opened up America Fest, not just to students, but to everybody, people of all ages were coming to America Fest to like hang out and meet each other. And it was a sort of revelation during the Biden woke era and all that. It was like, oh, wait, there's more of us. There's more of us who are not on board with all of this lunacy. There was a- We can hang out. can have conversations and not be shunned and not be kicked out of our families here all of the

side events that were being built up around it and people were saying this is bigger than the rnc turning point has become oh it was going to take over yeah it was going to take over that whole realm if there's someone that is charismatic at turning point it still could because charlie's the legacy that charlie is left um is something that a lot of people are going to coalesce around Well, I was thinking about this, too, on the drive over here, and I was thinking that the men who are next in line to Charlie's legacy are really going to need to step up, you know, and really are going to be in that spotlight.

Men like Jack Spobic, men like you, Tim Poole, you know. I mean, the men who are at the forefront of this and have been unafraid and have been speaking in their minds. mind there's going to be a lot more light on them, you know, and a lot more, perhaps more danger as well, which is sort of terrifying, terrifying to think about. But it can't, what Charlie was creating is not something that the people of America can afford to lose. Yeah, I'm thinking what would he say if he was here right now? How would he guide people? And I'm kind of torn down the middle between the animal part of me that wants the vengeance and wants to find the guy and see a

public execution. And then there's the part of me that's like kindness, compassion, forgiveness. These are what Charlie preached. These are the things he believed in and that not to fall into the rage because what is there's there's there. There's a middle road there though, Ian, not just kindness, compassion, forgiveness or unadulterated rage, justice. Yeah, but not to cause pain on the victim unnecessarily suffering because that's more. Don't worry about the, don't worry about the, not the victim, the perpetrator. What you are correct on is I would never purport to speak for Charlie, but I imagine as a rational and intelligent, powerful leader, he would say, we have to be reasonable and rational in how we respond now. Trump is gaining tremendous victories.

We have won electorally. The actions against Charlie are the moves of a desperate, fringe, psychotic. ideology. They want to drag us down into the mud so that we break from the position that has brought us success. That does not mean we don't get justice. Utah, they said they have the death penalty and they're going to find this person. What this means for us is we have to remain calm and collected and vigilant, working towards justice, finding the suspect, but making sure we do not allow wanton, random escalation. And that's what I fear.

An attack against Trump, for many of us, is terrifying, is shocking. It's offensive. Charlie was not a politician. Charlie was just a guy who had passion in politics and built up organizations to pursue those passions, but he did not decide how you would live or sleep. He just explained his ideas and needed it better than they did. And that was a threat they took out. Charlie, all today, going through the news and talking with our sources and our friends from various organizations, every phone call I was on was struggling through tears on both ends.

It's because Charlie treated you like you are the best. It was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, that he was there for you, whatever you needed. And so. everybody felt like their best friend just got taken from them. This has the potential to be substantially more catastrophic than anybody else that could have targeted. I think it's on the level of like, you know, the assassinations of 68. I think that's, I think that's where we are.

I think that's what this is. MLK, RFK, both 68. What was it like April and June? April and July, something like that. Yeah. And I think that's what this is. You know what that did? It destroyed the.

hope and dreams of the kids in the 60s that thought JFK was there to help, and he was there to step up against the military war machine and scale it down and they people believed and they had hope and then it was taken. And the people who believed in the civil rights movement, you know, only to have Martin Luther King Jr. strike down as well. By the FBI, is that confirmed? I don't know. I don't know. The far left in this country seems completely emboldened to have vigilante justice against those who they view as fascists, which is anybody on the right. And unless I don't know what the President Trump administration can do, I don't see how this, you know, we're saying hearts and prayers. We're saying, you know, this is horrible and like,

this will have a huge impact. This will have a huge impact to hurt the conservative movement. I don't know where this leads. But this is part, symptom of a larger trend? Well, it's a trend that's, do you remember punch a Nazi? And then suddenly they decided we were all Nazis? Ten years ago, I was, like, and this is when I was, you know, before I was in the political world beyond Twitter, I'm a dude in a band, and I'm, and like, I see people that I know saying, oh, it's okay to punch Nazis.

And I'm like, this leads nowhere good. This is going to lead us to a terrible place. And what I got back was, why are you defending Nazis? It was almost ubiquitous in the music industry. It was for sure the truth in the arts. I mean, it was true in the theater community in New York City. It was true. And I mean, if you remember in, I don't know why anyone would remember this,

but in 2018, there was an exhibit at the San Francisco Public Library that had punch a turf because they went from punch a Nazi to beat up women who don't think men are women. And they had a baseball bat that was covered with fake blood that said punch a turf on it. Like all of this stuff, it has escalated. And a lot of people were, you know, being like, hey, that's crazy. And here we're, and they're assassinating, you know, extremely wonderful young men. So the question that is, immediately when this happens, our, you know, our security team, they're contacting us. I assure you, every person in this space, their companies, their teams, they made phone calls, everything's been dialed.

up as high as it can be dialed up. I mean, just a week ago, I was saying, like, wow, things have calmed down. Where are the riots? It seems like we're winning. And I think this is what happens when it is perceivable that to everybody, including your adversaries that you're winning, they take these desperate moves. The question for us is, I had an event planned with Alex Stein for October. It was a campus event. I had actually reached out to Charlie saying that, you know, I'd love to do some of these, if possible. We were planning more. This was earlier in the year, and so we were like, let's see what time we have in the fall.

I'm super busy, so we found a date, and we're like, let's give it a shot. It's canceled. You canceled that? Well, I'm glad. I can't do it. I'm glad you canceled it. But now we also have these live venue events, and it looks like I have no choice but to cancel them, or at least I can't be there.

I'm not for against you canceling them, but how would you respond to somebody who says that's them winning? Indeed. And so the debate was they are celebrating right now. Their daily mail has a video. I'm not going to show it of leftists celebrating. A video is going viral. People have taken all these leftists. They're dancing and they're cheering. There are people outside of universities right now. And there's videos of them cheering and high fiving and celebrating. They called for it. They're happy that it's happened. And they threatened me. And so the debate is we do a show every. night, I do a morning show, two morning shows, technically three, because we break it at the interview up, and this nightly show. We reach millions of viewers. We can keep doing that, or I can risk dying to go to a crowd of 500. And so maybe you want to say, yes, they've shut down our public events and they've, they've isolated us to these spaces. But what is the answer? What do you, how do you? The terrorist one, we're terrorized. No, keep in sand size. Yes.

You got to stay inside. This is Kennedy got hit John of Kennedy when he was outside and they realized he can't parade the president out in the open anymore. So they stop. Guns are too easy to find now. And it's the same thing with your high level political personality. John Lennon was walking into a hotel. Yeah. And there's nothing you can do.

Hold on, Elad, what you were talking about, like, they haven't won because you're not doing a public appearance. They've only won if you stop doing the show, if you stop talking about these things. If you stop bringing the opposing argument and putting out. If struck fear into your heart where you're scared to do in a public event that you'd otherwise do, it does feel like your thing. Sufficiently terrible. If it's one person, it's totally different. If you're talking about putting a boatload of people into a room, the people, other people that work here, it's a different thing. Let me address that.

It's not the fear of it. They literally killed him. The intent is clear and the risk is not. I am scared of the left. It's that they are killing. You got to change tact. It's not a loss if you change your tactics. if the enemy develops a new weapon in the culture war that's like artillery and your old position is no longer viable,

you just remanuever to a new position that's more fortified. That's understandable. The big question is, so there was a story, and I told this before, I mean, I don't know if I should, but we were in Nashville, and we were going to go, I was going to play music. I think Ian was going to, we were going to go to John Rich's honky talk. And there was a security threat, which I won't go into detail on. And I was told, we can't do the event because of this security risk, this, this threat against you. And then I said, they're not going to stop me. They can't scare me. And then I was told, Tim, this is downtown Nashville and there are children outside. If someone comes with a gun, it's not about you. And I went, I get it. Okay.

If we go to this event and we say that we're going to be on the ground at this university and some lunatic shows up with a gun, it's not just me that's at risk. It's any one of those kids or people who want to show up, too. Well, and all those kids were fleeing. They were running. Right. And thankfully, nobody else was injured, but horrifyingly, Charlie, the leader of this massive movement has lost his life. I certainly understand the anger you might feel over this tactic stops us from doing

these university events because they're so powerful and important. But so there is a level of. You know, if I would put it like this, if we were talking about a battlefield, and you know that the enemy has assassins targeting your officers, you take your officers out of the risk, and then you utilize other resources in these key areas. That is to say, campus events can still happen. It just doesn't need to be the highest profile of individuals. it can be among the students that are already there, which minimizes the risks and minimizes the target but keeps the conversations going. So TPUSA can still keep these going without Charlie.

It can be handled by local chapters who can carry on these debates and make sure we don't lose momentum. But as I suppose the debate, I'm sure people are going to say, don't keep doing the events. And inside with security checking guns the door.

Not possible. If they can get targets on the president, then anybody is capable of getting... They can literally drone bomb your house if they think you're dressed in. But let's be real. Like, these events that we do, I have to drive in a car to a back entrance, go in and go out with security waiting for me. Because we, like, we've been, we were swatted 15 times one year. We've had the bomb squad multiple times.

We've had a man shop claiming he was sent by God. we have there's other security issues that I'm not going to go to detail on because they happen every single day so this is the challenge like my wife is obviously extremely worried when we we want to do these public culture war shows

we want to bring people and invite them in and sure we have security checking people and making sure people aren't coming with weapons which I actually don't like I don't like that we have to do that because of me but we can't even secure in D.C. It's just not possible So it's, this is like a major moment in this country that a lot of us thought could happen.

We didn't know when or how, but we just really in the back of our minds thought it wasn't going to happen. Even though Phil and I talk about it every single night, there's no off ramp. The escalation keeps getting worse. All day. Let me tell you the hardest thing was. We, we have friends. in this space, and the only thing that I wanted to tweet was that Charlie was okay. Me too.

Even though I was getting, people hitting me up, and they, and I got a phone call, and I didn't say anything because I didn't want to believe it. Yep. Because the only thing that mattered was that the AP said he was stable. And I got a call from someone, you know, when the story is breaking, and they told me, This is a top-level person in the know. He is stable. And I tweeted that.

A source has told me that he is stable. And then when I got the next phone call, I didn't say a word because there was nothing that would make me believe it. No. Absolutely not. Until everyone else started posting it. Well, at Post-Millennial and Human Events, Charlie Kirk was integral with Human Events. He was a senior contributor. You know, Jack is a senior editor.

And Jack and Charlie are obviously really tight. And so, you know, we cover his show a lot. And we watch us cold open every day. And we go down the list. We're like, oh, we covered that. We covered that. We covered that. Dang, we missed that.

You know, we go through. But we, Thomas Stevenson has connections in Utah. And he used to intern on the Hill for Senator Lee. And so, you know, I called him as soon as I heard that. the shooting had happened and he was like and it's his day off and he was like let me see what's going on let me find out and he was driving he pulled over the side of the road and I don't know how long he stayed on the side of the road like trying to figure out what was going on because he had also alerted us to this event last week he was like this looks like it's going to be a

pretty good event you know I'll see if um people I know are going and like what's happening at it and we had reason to believe based on the information that Tommy was getting that it was not that it was not going to be good news we had reason to believe that and we saw other people posting like a nurse said this or hearsay from this person or whatever and none of us wanted to write it and I was like we are we're not writing this down until it's confirmed. We're not writing this down. If we're the last outlet to write this down, that's fine.

We're not going to, we're not going after anything other than like accuracy on this one. And we were just, no, we were just stunned. Like one of our office is fully remote. So everybody is all across the country. And one of the things that we do is bring everybody to a turning point event, you know. like maybe once or twice a year get as many people from staff out as we can and like have a toast and talk in person and that's just not something that we normally do like it'll be months and months before I physically see anybody that I work with um so yeah I mean it it definitely hit

our newsroom a little hard and I was I was so angry I was so angry when I saw other outlets posting like writing articles and sharing them saying that he had passed before they had confirmation. Like, I was just livid. I was having a hard time when I would see people tweet. There's no way he's going to survive. I didn't like that either. Just pray.

Just believe he's healing in a bed right now. And then, I mean, but prayer works. They call it the placebo effect in science. No one really knows exactly what's happening, but there's something. I went to church and I had a ton of candles. Some injuries are so great that it's like the spirits can't mend, you know? I just want to say, you know, final thought on the issue of these lives. events. Guys, if our streets have become a battlefield, you don't run into the battlefield. If you are

standing in an open field and you hear a gunshot, you get down and you find cover. You do not run into it without a plan. My point is there are more effective means of being involved in this information without risking my life and losing all of the shows that we already do that reach a much wider audience over two live shows per month. And your family needs you. This is the thing about war, if you want to consider this like a culture war or whatever, paramilitary action, you have to live like that, Tim. What you were just saying, your pride is irrelevant.

It is survival. It is repositioning. It is defense entrenchment, preparing. It's not about ego. I want to pull this up from the Daily Mail. And there's some context to this story. Democrats reject prayers for Charlie Kirk as moment of silence devolves into House floor shouting match. And so my understanding, Libby, you were telling me before that, Mike Johnson had a moment

of silence for Charlie. That's right. And then what happened next? Lauren Bobert wanted to extend it, but the Democrats started yelling. That's what I could understand. She wasn't miced, so it was hard to hear. I saw the clip going viral, and again, it was Tommy who hit me to it, and we went back and looked on C-SPAN and pulled the full clip, which was like two minutes. Mike Johnson called for a moment of silence. Let's, uh, let's play this and see what we have. The chair would ask that all members president in the chamber and those in the gallery please rise for a moment of prayer for Charlie Kirk and his family. Let's, let's, let's, let's, wait a minute, wait a minute.

The house will be in order. The house will be in order. Shh. The house will be in order. Shh. We, The house will be in order. We, we will join prayer right after this, okay?

The chair. lays before the House a communication. So the Daily Mail reports is that, let's see, chaos devolved when Mike Johnson attempted to lead a prayer for Charlie Kirk. So I think what you were saying was correct. Democrats were against the request for the prayer. So there was a moment of silence. When Lauren Bobert requested a moment of prayer, Democrats, some of them began yelling no. Yeah. Like Lauren wanted to say things.

Is that what it was? One Democrat blurted out, pass some gun laws. Yeah. It's disgusting. That's insane. Anna Paulina Luna yelled, you effing own this. She's, she's... And then it says she accused Democrats earlier in the day of being the origin of the violence against Kirk.

Quote, I am done with the rhetoric this rotten house and corrupt media has caused. She posts an X shortly after the news of the shooting broke. Every damn one of you called us fascist who called us fascist, who called us fascist, did this. I'm exhausted with the fight, fight, fight rhetoric. I mean, if you actually want to throw down and hurt someone and get hurt, that's when you use that term fight. It's not about arguing with people. And Charlie was the epitome of the way to communicate without fighting, the way to get your job done without fighting. It wasn't a fighter. He didn't need to. He was a communicator. And this Elizabeth Warren being like, we need to fight. Have you ever been

in a fight lady? Do you know what happens with professional fighters want to fight you? Don't do that stuff anymore. We got to cool it down. And I got to start with myself, but it's just like event. This is literally, we've been talking about trying to cool the rhetoric for the better part of three, four years or so. I mean, this is, this is something that we've been talking about forever. For as long as IRL has been on, I've, either I was listening to people say, hey, we've got to cool the rhetoric, or I've been saying it myself. Like, yeah, I don't know. I don't know. what to do but just saying hey cool the rhetoric is not enough no it's not sufficient machine that's pouring this rhetoric into our country into our airwaves to make

people crazy to destabilize the country and there's there's a significant portion of the population that have been radicalized currently on the left oh COVID the kids that had masks on during COVID no those are they were kids that's not what I'm talking about I'm talking about college students and young adults that have been radicalized. The person that shot Charlie, obviously, we don't know who it was, but it's likely that it was a young adult, not necessarily, but it was likely that was, but they were a leftist, likely a leftist who believed that Charlie Kirk had all these terrible views.

Where did they come up with that idea? When honestly, again, his, Charlie's views were very standard boilerplate Republican. moderate American conservative traditional not particularly extreme it is not extremist to say it's good for men and women to be married and have kids so so occupy democrats occupy democrats on their Instagram have multiple multiple anti-charlie Kirk posts that they have put up today including yes he really said this no one should be assassinated but that doesn't change the fact that he was a hateful jerk who spread nothing but division and ill will towards his

fellow man. I mean the dude debated Josh. These are, if you look at the time stamps 12 minutes ago, they've posted that. 33 minutes ago, they posted. We've got it. Charlie Kirk spent his entire life disparaging immigrants disrespecting women and blaming black folks only to get shot in one of the widest places

on earth. As a woman who went on his show a fair number of times and he had nothing but respect for me. He was kind. He was generous with him. and with his intellect and he was you know he was a really good man i don't see how you can say that about him at all and he took he took everybody's opinions he talked to everybody about everything there there was a tweet someone said the moderate right died today all of these comments on

this instagram i don't i don't want to show them and i don't horrifying but if you want to be radicalized yeah go to blue sky i went on there to see that typed in charlie kirk and see what was up after like 14 posts I had to X out in almost vomiting it was just and it's just like that's that exists that's out there if you want to look for it you're going to find it and there's it's not actually uncommon either it's not like these are fringe people right like there are considerable people that are in a considerable amount of people that are in public life that are on blue sky that will say terrible horrible things you know it's so easy to do and it has such repercussions are yet to be understood by the power,

the human power to speak and to propel it with mass media, it's so new. You combine that kind of rhetoric with the political leaning that is most likely to be someone that has some kind of mental illness and you're going to get this type of reaction. The left loves people that are miserable,

that are unhappy with their life, that don't have a foundation in any kind of faith that don't have a family because people that have family, people that have faith, people that are happy do not engage in political violence. They don't engage in revolutionary activities. The left needs crazy people. They need people that don't have the same kind of, the same stuff to lose that normal people do. right like if you if you have a family if you have kids you're not going to go do something

crazy like this because you have kids to take care of if you have a job that you care about that's providing for you or providing for your family you're not going to do something crazy like that because you have a job you have stuff to do you have things in your life they need nihilistic

desperate people that have nothing to lose and so the crazier they the more the more extreme they can find people the more people they can find on the margins of society and tell them the problem is, you know, Christians that are having kids, the happier they are. That's something that Dr. Jordan Peterson used to always say, like, why are more people

not speaking out? Because they're busy leading their lives and raising their kids, you know? I mean, is that something that you find? I'm looking at my Facebook. That's why we need leaders. Yeah. Like Charlie, who were just masters of communicating, led their generation. I mean, think back to when I was in college.

I mean, I graduated in 2012. Turning Point was just beginning to start coming to campus. It wasn't at the campus I went to. But the minute that changed in 2013, 2014, that's when you started to see some of the changes in polling and attitudes. And you've seen it more and more with Gen Z. I mean, that they understand what's at stake for public policy.

And it's because of a lot of it is because, of this work that Turning Point has done. Yeah, they were out on campuses. They were doing so much to get out to vote last year. They were doing stuff too, weren't they? Where it was like, come to this event, this Turning Point event with Don Jr. And, you know, vote early, drop off your mail and ballot right here. And then come on in, you know.

And like that was your ticket in, was dropping off your ballot. That seemed really effective. You know, that was a campus event. I went to my Facebook just to see what people were saying. And while there certainly are some awful statements, a lot of the lefty activist types that I've known since Occupy are calling out the younger left and the leftist calling for violence. And I respect that. I appreciate that. These are people who have followed me on Facebook and I've followed for a very, very long time.

And they're very like, it was populist left Occupy stuff. So they hate Trump. And I'm just seeing, I see a handful of posts where they're saying these people. are evil. Charlie did nothing wrong. Like, he was just a guy that they didn't like. And I wish, and I, I, I, these occupied Democrats and this blue sky stuff is what's terrifying. But I feel like some of these, these, these older folks, at least these more, you know, I guess, Occupy-centered people are shocked and they seem to be angry about Charlie Kirk's death. So I'm glad to see it. the the the vapid violent nihilism is just it's not a sustainable movement that doesn't mean it can't take over a government but it doesn't really give people hope it doesn't really unify and rally people without fear so when things are good it sort of falls away so there's uh i want to i want to pull this up for you guys so we have this tweet from luke kowski showing the uh the building where they

they say that the shot was taken from. I don't think it was there, was it? I'm not sure. 200 meters. 200 meters is not professional. It was 450 feet. Luke says, whoever this was,

it was a professional hit, but there's a response. Alexander Graves says 200 meters is not a far shot. However, it was organized by more than one person. The old man who threw himself at police saying, shoot me, shoot me, gave pause on the search for the shooter,

allowing him to get away. The individual who asked the question about the mass shooting was timely. It was not professional. It was an M-700 chambered in 308. It was organized by communist leftists. Now, we don't know that for sure. But there were these posts where someone said, Charlie Kirk is coming to my college tomorrow.

I really hope. And then he said, I'm not going to read it. And then he replied with some, let's just say something big will happen tomorrow. And this is one of the first videos that emerged. He said, I have the right to remain silent. I didn't see the video of someone yelling, shoot me, shoot me, but I'd heard that quite a bit. It was him.

It was, there's a video of it? While he was being, yeah, escorted away by officers. Let me see if I can find that. He was released, this guy. This guy was the first person detained in the no place. But the first thing I noticed right away when they released him was whatever it is he did that resulted in him being the guy grabbed, it allowed the shooter to escape. Sure did, yeah. Whether intentional or otherwise, I have no idea, but that distraction.

Could he have been intentionally part of a distraction? Yes. The argument that some people are making. They're saying, yeah. And then there was the one guy on Fox News talking about this guy saying that it definitely couldn't have been him and that he wasn't capable. Yeah, okay, we have this video. Hey, what's that? We don't know if it's him or not.

And that, what did the cops say? We don't know if it's him or not. And he's yelling, shoot me. Like Lee Harvey Oswald. That's so weird. Yeah, like Lee Harvey Oswald, like what they did Lee during the park walk. And then they. They shot him.

That's messed up, you guys. So the conspiracy theory. Shoot me. We don't know if it's him or not. The conspiracy theory is that it was organized. He was the distraction. The real shooter escaped. When the first thing I heard was that...

In which case, why would they have let him go? Because there's no evidence he did anything. The first thing I heard was that somebody stood up and started yelling questions at Charlie. and then shot him. And that's in the first video that I saw, it was bad, but it didn't look as bad as a second video. But then, you know, what ended up happening was I saw this. Luke had reached out to me and said, hey, there's another video.

And this is not a handgun. This is not a guy in the crowd. And this became extremely strange that why would this happen, the shooting and then some guy be perceived as by anybody of being the shooter start yelling shoot me shoot me and I have the right to remain silent which only served to assist I'm not saying I'm not saying intentionally but the actions he took did help the shooter escape or who we believe to be the guy in the roof running that was my take too if you want we could find the fox news interview two of him talking to like his buddy saying that it definitely wasn't this guy and that

he named to this guy specifically if you want to try and find it yeah I could send it to you One of the angles here that I wanted to hit on that I feel like we haven't touched on was the morbidity and ghoulishness of social media as soon as this was coming out and how quickly people felt the need to spit around how many different angles they could find of this young man being shot and killed and analyzing, you know, the volumes of blood coming out. Oh, screen went up. Was it this guy? Yes, it was this guy. All right. So this is Fox News. ...withness on the scene.

And I turn to look, and they were arresting a guy by the name of George Zim. Yeah, I know the guy. I don't think he did it. I think they arrested the wrong guy. I think whoever did it was a good shooter, a sharp shooter. It was one shot right directly to the heart. And we need to find out who did this. I think there should be a research completely done.

The took place hours, maybe a day before anything went on. Who could be there and pull that trigger and do that? I don't think it was George Sim, he was poor, broke. He maybe was on medication, a little bit of Looney Boone, maybe a perfect person to pick and say they did it, but I don't think he did it at all. So at this point, but did you see him taken into custody? Did you see him with any kind of thing in his hand,

any device in his hand or anything like that? Yeah, I saw when they actually put the hand cross behind his back. I followed. All right, we're going to go to Jason, Chief. Wow. So that George Zinn guy, just for some context, he was a guy that called in a bomb threat on the, I'm right over here.

A guy that called the bomb threat and on the 2013 Salt Lake City Marathon and everyone thought that was gonna be this guy but that ended up being complete false false red herring had nothing to do with him. That's who this guy's talking about. Man. A lot of weird.

You mentioned this is, you mentioned the ghoulishness of social media. Well, people were like passing around the clip and this is gaining millions of views and this is the thing. We are drawn to sex, drugs and violence. As people, as human beings, we feel the need and like people are digging around

for all these morbid clips and they're tracking up hundreds of millions of views. And, you know, it's, we're catching this guy in the most intimate moments of his life, bleeding out in front of crowds of thousands of people recording him. And because he's this sort of celebrity, there's just something deeply wrong and strange. And it feels like something we shouldn't be viewing in the capacity that we are able to do. I agree. People have been saying maybe that this is like a demonic, a spiritual demonic war that we're in.

about this. And it's maybe a bit esoteric, but is that the reason, maybe part of the reason why we don't torture criminals to death anymore, that we don't watch them scream for hours is because that's actually creating a demonic energy when you have hate and rage. And yesterday when people kept seeing videos of that girl getting her neck stabbed by that dude on the bus, that it was generating this bloodlust in people I've never seen before in mass like this. Well, let me finish. And that it's creating, that it's setting up a spiritual stage for things like this. And that's why being calm is important

and why not to just give into the fervor right away. We got the guy, let's string them up. But I want to make sure we clarify, I don't think that, I think this event was planned long before the story of Arina Zarutka became a national conversation. Yes, I think that that's true

and I also think that you know, as opposed to capital punishment as I am, because I don't think it's up to man to take lives. I think that that job belongs to God. Although in this case, I'm, I was kind of buoyed by Governor Cox's words, so you know that they still have the death penalty in Utah.

But, you know, we're all human. It's real hard to be morally consistent. I'll tell you that right. It sure is. It sure is. But I think there's something to be said for public execution in terms of it, it, deterring people. I mean, you used to be able to, like, see people get executed by death penalty by, like, the electric chair.

right? Albert Camus talks about witnessing a public hanging. Certainly in the colonies in Massachusetts, Nathaniel Hawthorne talks about public hanging as a means of execution, you know, and it's in the scarlet letter, and it's brutal. It's brutal just to read about it. It's brutal to read when Camus talks about it. And I think there's something to be said for showing the punishment that comes to the perpetrators of these crimes as opposed to just constantly seeing the blood of innocent victims spilled on our streets. You know, I mean, if you want bloodlust,

go after the killers, stop going after the victims every time. We have seen so much blood in the past few days and the videos, it's, it's, I don't want to see more innocent people killed. You know, if you want to satisfy a bloodlust, America, like stage your executions we hear about executions you know we hear about Florida's killing people what was it Alabama recently or Texas you know places that um do this I didn't grow up in a place that does that very often uh and so we don't see it we just read about it the next day and we read about how perhaps the families of the victims were there to witness it because often they're invited

to witness something like that and I would I would far rather see public execution used as a kind of deterrent, kind of like Tim always says, with the gang member in the diaper being forced to crawl down, what is it, Roosevelt? Roosevelt. Roosevelt? Yeah. I'd rather see that. I'd rather see someone in the stocks, as barbaric as that is, than see, you know, more of these blood fountains of the innocent soaking our Twitter feeds. I'm open to public executions. I'm open to that to showing people. Like this. what you get, but torture executions I don't like, like stringing it out for hours. It was a hanging. It was an instant death. A swift kill, but making someone suffer on death. It's always intended to be.

It's always intended to be that. Well, only recently did we stop torturing in mass so graciously. And in what way? What do you mean? Well, until like 1680, 1720, put people on a wheel and turn them until their bodies broke open. Oh, all of that kind of stuff, sure. But we don't tend to do that in modern America. I think so a lot of the ancient torture methods that

people talk about were actually fiction. Maybe too, yeah. Because it's impractical. Nobody's going to waste money. Oh, they're doing it for joy. They do it out of stateism. There was one thing they, the treadmill, for instance, was prisoners were forced to walk on a wheel that would, it was a mill. It would grind grains and you'd walk for all day until you collapsed. There's one, I can talk about the torture deaths. They put a rat in a hot bucket, a metal bucket stuck to the guy's stomach and then heat the bucket up. The rat digs a hole in the guy.

Done. I don't want to talk about that. We do have, ladies and gentlemen, we have a statement from the president. Donald Trump, just about 10 minutes ago, published this. Let's play it. To my great fellow Americans, I am filled with grief and anger at the heinous assassination of Charlie Kirk on a college campus in Utah. Charlie inspired millions in tonight.

All who knew him and loved him are united in shock and horror. Charlie was a patriot who devoted his life to the cause of open debate and the country that he loved so much, the United States of America. He fought for liberty, democracy, justice, and the American people. He's a martyr for truth and freedom, and there's never been anyone who was so respected by youth. Charlie was also a man of deep, deep faith,

and we take comfort in the knowledge that he is now at peace with God in heaven. Our prayers are with his wife, Erica, the two young, beloved children and his entire family who he loved more than anything in the world. We ask God to watch over them in this terrible hour of heartache and pain. This is a dark moment for America.

Charlie Kirk traveled the nation, joyfully engaging with everyone interested in good faith debate. His mission was to bring young people into the political process, which he did better than anybody ever to share his love of country and to spread the simple words of common sense. On campuses nationwide, he championed his ideas with courage, logic, humor, and grace.

It's a long past time for all Americans and the media to confront the fact that violence and murder are the tragic consequence of demonizing those with whom you disagree, after day, year after year, in the most hateful and despicable way possible. For years, those on the radical left have compared wonderful Americans like Charlie to Nazis and the world's worst mass murderers and criminals. It's good that he's saying this. This kind of rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country today, and it must stop right now. My administration will find each and every one of those who contributed to this atrocity

and to other political violence, including the organizations that fund it and support it, as well as those who go after our judges, law enforcement officials, and everyone else who brings order to our country. From the attack on my life in Butler, Pennsylvania last year, which killed a husband and father to the attacks on ice agents, to the vicious murder of a health care executive in the streets of New York, to the shooting of House Majority Leader

Steve Scalise and three others. Radical left political violence has hurt too many innocent people and taken too many lives. Tonight, I ask all Americans to commit themselves to the American values for which Charlie Kirk lived and died the values of free speech,

citizenship, the rule of law, and the patriotic devotion and love of God. Charlie was the best of America and the monster who attacked him was attacking our whole country. An assassin tried to silence him with a bullet, but he failed because together we will ensure that his voice, his message,

and his legacy will live on for countless generations to come. Today, because of this heinous act, Charlie's voice has become bigger and grander than ever before, and it's not even close. May God bless his memory, may God watch over his family, and may God bless the United States of America. Thank you. I just want to say, it kind of seemed like Trump was holding back a little emotion there in the beginning. They were friends, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's just a great statement from Donald Trump. I appreciate it. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a good. Yeah. It's really strong. I, I, I mean, I said this like, it's like, it's like, it's, this is like, why would anyone kill that guy? And then it's just a political power of game. They, they, because they want the reaction. Like, we talk like, they want the right to overreact. The point is,

If they go after him, the right will get incensed, and then the right will overreact, and then they can say, we're victims, we're victims, feel bad for us. They have been losing and losing and losing. They need something to turn the tide back to them again. So that way they will win these political engagements. I think there's more, I think there's a little more to it than that. I think that the left in America right now. Also because he's effective.

Yeah, the left in America right now can't stand that one by one the stupid things that they have imposed on us are being dismantled. Our team is getting death threats right now. What? And there are demons among us and these people are demonically possessed.

I'm not going to name people. I mean... I think that's true. Fair enough, yeah. I'm being told that our team is getting death threats actively right now. Well, this was a beautiful speech from the president.

However, I don't think it convinced one person who believes that the president is a Nazi that he is no longer a Nazi? No, I thought that also like he's reinforcing. I don't think that's encouraging anybody on the left on love or something.

Like his behavior, they're like, oh, there goes the Nazis saying the Nazi thing again. I was getting that look on what he was doing just then. Like if you hate him and you've already decided you hate him and anything says is a lie and it's actually evil, like no amount of outpouring of love. Well, I can't say no amount, but

it's hard to, for a speech like this from Donald Trump to change someone in it and if he was holding back emotions you know like what's he going to do come on TV and break down and cry maybe that was like his third attempt at making the video right but it does seem early on like you can kind of you can kind of see it a little bit I mean they were friends getting back to the comments earlier I mean the radical left they can't operate in the sphere that Charlie Kirk was operating in effectively because their policies are nonsense. That was, Charlie Kirk would just run circles around them. And that's why he was an icon. And this is a huge loss. I know, I know, you know, you know, I was saying

this earlier, this will immortalize the vision of Charlie Kirk. They have martyred him. He was a man of faith. They have, there will be murals, and there will be people sharing his message. But he was more than that, and this is what has me worried, is that he was a powerful business mind. He knew how to build a machine better than anybody else. He did an amazing job. They go after him, not just because of his effectiveness, but he was once in a thousand years kind of guy. He's, it's.

This is a generational. Yeah. Yeah. It was so courageous. I'll give an example from, you know, I'm from Wyoming. And the debates we've had over the last 15 years as I've been involved in public policy. So we're in COVID. And things are shut down. In May, things start to open back up. We were, you know, trying to get things moving again. Charlie Kirk comes to the Wyoming State GOP convention. And he opens up and he says, this is probably the biggest event. that has happened in the world in the last two months. And we are going to reopen back up. I mean, he had such courage, charisma, and that was a huge moment. I can tell you where I'm from. I mean, that moment in the COVID debate was a inflection point.

We were talking about it a little bit before the show. Charlie Kirk is probably the second most influential person on the right. behind the president, behind President Trump. And it's really hard to exaggerate his influence between turning point and turning point action and all the people he employs and the cultural relevance of his show and these campus events

and how much he fundraises for different people and he was involved in all of these different campaigns. Do we have something pulled up here? I just pulled up a tweet. I don't know. What were you saying? Anyways. Keep going to continue. No, it's just he was probably the most influential person

on the right behind the president, you guys think? I think he was. I think that that was maybe why he was targeted. If he was targeted. Well, obviously he was targeted. But if the political machine was afraid, who's coming after Trump, it ain't J.D. Vance. Guy's cool, but he doesn't have the charisma of Trump, like Charlie. Well, but I mean, Vance is, give them a little time. Yeah, I mean. Vance is the vice president, so. Vance is clearly next in line in 2028. But who's the next? Charlie Kirk was only 31. But he, yeah, I know. He's the, but Charlie's the guy that moves mountains. He's the guy that So maybe people believe and will follow to the end.

In 13, 14 years, you know? Yeah, I mean, he was going to be the king of that political mountain. And he kind of got Trump elected. Like, he, not single-handedly, but efforts of. Oh, I think he did. I think he did. He got out the youth vote. He got out the youth vote.

Yeah, R&C had bailed. And, like, Scott Pressler, you know. He made it fun. Yeah. Like, the videos of him at these events at colleges were something you wanted to be a part of. It's incredible. and that's what they feared about him. It was cool.

Yeah. Yeah. He built this machine. That's hard enough. He was, he built a culture, and that's hard enough. He's one of the most effective political figures of our generation or of the past hundred years. Yeah. I mean, I do think that the reason that they went after him is because of how effective he was.

I mean, how long was turning points. an organization. 2014. Five years, six years, something like that. Or whether it was it, I think it started, because he was 17. In 2011, there, there, there's a tweet going around where Charlie Kirk was tweeting at Glenn Beck in 2011, he was 17 years. 2012.

So 20, oh, really, 2012, wow. 2012, it launched you in 15 years old when he started turning point, you know. I mean, so it's like in just over 10 years, he built this massive, massive, influential organization that, you know, without question had an impact on getting the president elected. 2023 revenue for TP USA. What's your guess? 500 mil?

$81 million. This is $6.500. I thought they were, I thought they were doing well, you know. That's incredible. What I like about, geez. Charlie is that he, uh, he wasn't really, uh, into spectacle.

I mean, he was. He knew how to lay it out, but he didn't seek it. He didn't like try and get anything. He was just being himself. and people believed in him so much that they supported him building an arena for it. The other thing I think that was really effective in Charlie's message is he would come on college campuses.

I mean, I'm a millennial, right? And in the time I was growing up, it was all about college. You had to go to college. Charlie would come and he would say, look, if you're going to be here, you need to try to dedicate yourself to what you want to be doing. Try to have a direction.

And it's not necessarily, college isn't necessarily for everybody. And I think in terms of moving towards technical schools, some of the work the Trump administration is doing on that, Charlie is a great communicator of that point. And it's the truth. It was another thing that he really brought to the equation. You went to college. He just did it in a way on his terms.

Right. He didn't go to school. He was certainly not uneducated. He was extremely educated. He went to college in the way that is cool. You go there and debate the kids on the campus. And it was his own personal great book series. His own personal great book series, you know?

Great books. Like, he just read everything. He said, you need to be focused. And he was a great communicator of the Christian faith and the love of, you know, Jesus and prayer. and I mean that was one of his messages back in April when he came for one of his live events in Wyoming he focused I remember one exchange where that was really that really came out Charlie's wife and children were there they were in Utah they were in attendance I didn't he they don't always go yeah oh that's awful he was I agree with what you're saying about he's his his devotion to the Lord to the Christian ethos and he but he's he He was also, like, open to letting me splay out all my disbelief, and he'd just listen. He loved it, that I was willing to challenge him. And I wish we'd gone deeper.

Yeah, you frustrated him. Oh, I'd just gotten started, baby. I was ready to frustrate him for all the way down. Ian fell off the stage at Turning Point USA because he didn't look where he was walking. Yeah, didn't do a once over the stage before the show. My bad. Pilot error. I thought Ian was going to be seriously hurt because it's like a five-foot drop

he was walking backwards and just off the stage magnetically elevated they call it effortless movement in in what is it in that religion in the east somewhere what's that Taoism effortless movement is like a blessing

in Taoism you move with the flow but the energy lifted me up as I fell that was my point I don't know what happens tomorrow I thought about Charlie was alive yesterday. Like I'm thinking eight hours ago he was fine or ten hours ago. He was tweeting. We were just talking about the murder of Irina Zerutska and this random killing.

And the media, Van Jones called him a race monger, called him out. The joke I made last night about Van Jones was that he singled out Charlie Kirk when we're all sitting right here. we had a bunch of people on the show it's like each and every one of us is criticized in all the same way and I was joking but Van Jones was saying Charlie Kirk is a race monger

for daring to bring this up that was shocking that he did that we ran a story on that because I thought that that was absolutely out of control that he did that and all of these people claiming white supremacists

are the root of all evil and I was on Charlie Kirk's show this morning with Andrew Colvette his producer talking exactly about Arina Zarutka and talking about all of this stuff and this rhetoric about, you know, white supremacists commit all of these crimes. And we were looking at the data and it's not there.

Like the data just isn't there, you know, that they're referring to. They're talking about 2022 when white supremacy was defined by the Biden administration to be like anything, right? They had like, they had like the, what was it, the Pulse Nightclub shooting? Yep. They had that listed as white supremacy. And it's like that. Islamic terror attack. Right.

Yeah. Like all of this stuff. and maybe it wasn't that way it was in Colorado anyway I don't have all of my facts straight on it but the Biden administration said the Biden FBI said that white supremacy and white supremacist domestic extremism was like the biggest threat facing the country and that was just a blatant outright lie they were going after that FBI was targeting Christians like we have the memos Jim Jordan looked into it that was literally happening and then just a few years later these leftists who are are no longer in power, who no longer have the deep state at their command, who no longer have the FBI to run cover for their racism, are out here killing honorable men. I was thinking yesterday about crime stats, because there was a kind of a conversation last night. And one of the things I noticed about crime stats, like, say, in the past, 30 percent, 30 times more crime was committed by black men in this neighborhood. And then, but the error is

when people's like, therefore, you as a black man in the future are 30 times. more likely to commit a group. No, the past doesn't dictate future behavior. It indicates what happened. Well, and every man gets to make his own decisions. Yeah. And kids need to know that. They should not feel like because I'm in this, it means that it's like you can extricate yourself in the situation. You can change. You're not a statistic. Yeah. But also there's a correlation and you know, why is there a correlation of violence in certain communities? It could be due to, like, I think a lot of it is people want to throw money at poverty and get them out of poverty, but it's like, what does the money buy?

And the main thing you should be buying is nutrition because generationally, if you have nutrition, your kids will develop IQ. Well, they don't like that either, right? I mean, the leftists are angry at RFK Jr. for doing that. Well, let me figure. Your kids will develop IQ, and over time, people with high IQ will become creative

and they'll solve the problems around them, lifting themselves out of poverty naturally. So I want to share with you guys this clip from MSNBC. This, of course, is before they knew that he had died, but I want to show you this. MSNBC has issued an overall. apology, I believe it was for this clip, but let me play this clip for you. Yes, it is.

Then lead to hateful actions. And I think that's the environment we're in, that people just, you can't stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have and then saying these awful words and not expect awful actions to take place. And that's the unfortunate environment. Turning point USA has confirmed that he was shot. And there are a number of, you can't say these awful things and not expect. an awful reaction. So MSNBC issued a statement. During our breaking news coverage of the shooting

of Charlie Kirk, Matthew Dowd made comments that were inappropriate and sensitive and acceptable. We apologized for his statements, as has he. There is no place for violence in America, political or otherwise. It's funny that they're now issuing these apologies. But the entire time that MSNBC lied and claimed that Trump was a spy of a foreign country, that his supporters were white supremacists that have bubbled up to this degree. They only now, after years of pushing this, say, oops, about one thing one guy said that today. Yeah. And they've pushed this same rhetoric day in, day out.

Almost every single one of their on-air personalities has been pushing this day in and day out. And they will swear up and down that the right are guilty of stochastic terrorism while they have done everything they can to demonize everyone on the right. Again, Charlie Kirk, who is very milk-toast, average everyday Republican, not extreme in any way. And they will call him all of these horrible things because he has opinions that are different to theirs. and it's it's it's unconscionable that this is a content that they continue to do it because they're going to do it tomorrow like they're not going to stop like i wish they would but the same people are going to make the same comments tomorrow there's this there's you see it on on x all the time the it is the the only silver lining that i see is most of our politicians most of the democrat politicians have had reasonable responses not Not all of them. AOC has said some garbage stuff and a few others. How about on the house floor?

Yeah, disgusting. Exactly. And not all of them. But most of them have had reasonable responses to this. A few of them have said, well, you know, it's a gun control problem, which is infuriating. But thankfully, at least the politicians are smart enough to make, to have a reasonable response. But when it comes to pundits and other people. on the left, it is the same garbage celebrating this murder. It's just, it's disheartening and it's

disgusting. The comment from many people throughout my earlier stream and many in the chat right now is Civil War. There was a comment someone made earlier that, I should just put it like this. You go on X. You look in the chat. Everybody is saying that this is, a catalyst moment. I have an ex post that's going viral. I'm not going to read it. It has 15 million views, 15,800 retweets, reposts, in which a Democratic socialist celebrates the death of Charlie, says it's good, advocates for more. And my concern is this sentiment celebrating it. They celebrated Luigi Mangione, as y'all were pointing out earlier. that they're going to, when they find out who this shooter is,

they're going to make him a millionaire. They're going to give him, he's going to want for nothing. They're going to celebrate him like some kind of fear. This is, I went to Northern Ireland, and they have the peace wall. On one side is pro-Israel, and the other side is pro-Palestine. And I asked one of the locals,

how does that make sense, Ireland? And he says, none of it makes sense. It's just one side hates the other. He showed me this location where I don't know, the full details. I'm sure those of you that are watching know much better than I, but it was a memorial to civilian citizens who were massacred. Several guys with guns during the troubles just went and just shot up some public location, killing a bunch of innocent people. And one side celebrated it. They did not care who was killed or why they were killed, just that their enemy was killed.

These people on the left don't know anything about Charlie. There's a really great video called this video. I believe it's called This Video Will Make You Angry by CGB Gray. It's an oldie, but it's a good. and it explains that online there are communities that are forming and he makes his point and says no matter which community you think this is about, it is not about you. I am not talking about you and those you're disagreeing with. But he points out that it seems like there's two groups yelling at each other. That's not what's happening. In fact, what's happening is there are two groups yelling to each other about the other. These leftists don't actually know what Charlie believes. They don't know what he stands for. They only know what was told to them by another

psychopath about Charlie, which is likely incorrect. This leads them to radicalization, where they then go and kill a good man. I'm not the only one who deals with this. Other prominent personalities deal with this. But we recently started working with a guy who said, when people found out who's working with us, they started saying, oh, you got to watch out for Tim Poole because he does this, that, this, and otherwise, and saying things about me that were just completely false. And he was like, that's not true. It's like, I met him. None of that's true. What are you saying? But they just make it up. They tell each other and they create a fake image of who Charlie is, who we are, what we believe. They get radicalized by it. Then they are told by MSNBC in the New York

Times and CNN and Van Jones, white supremacist, fascist, hate mongers. Let me put it like this. Back in the day, if you saw, if there was like a neo-Nazi guy literally with tattoos, walking around causing problems, people in the community would be like, hey, man, we don't want you around here. Get out of here. A genuine violent white supremacist screaming and yelling and threatening black people or whatever, people are going to be out of here. We don't want that. We don't tolerate that. That's still true to this day among most of us. We don't want to tolerate. There was a man who showed up to a Patriot Prayer event several years ago in Portland, screaming the N-word and throwing up Hitler's salutes. And the Patriot Prayer kicked them out. They said, get out of here.

We don't want any of that. We don't want violent racists coming in here. That feeling you get when you're confronted by a psychopathic, that feeling that you understand of why you would not want to associate with that person, these radicalized leftists are told that about you, about me, about Ian, about Libya, about Phil. so imagine the most vile person you can think of that you would not want to associate with the left genuinely believes you are that and when you go to them and say you're not a white supremacist and you actually don't like white supremacy they are also trained you're lying to

them to trick them so there's nothing you can say to convince them so what happens charlie kirk is killed by these radicals and on x right now all of these viral posts are lying about who he is and using it to justify why they did what they did. And to encourage more. What do we do about it? I wish I had answers, dude. Think about it like a global war between communism and liberalism,

and we're like pawns on the board, man. But how do you win that war? And then I guess you can also think of it from the ground up, you know, eat healthy, be kind to your kids. Amen. I hate to quote communists, but to quote the most famous communist Mao, political power comes down the barrel of the gun. And I'm unsettled. Am I misquoting? No, no, go on, please. I'm unsettled by how unfortunately true it is. So it seems that the difference, a disenfranchised lunatic could make a motivated person, a person who is motivated and armed, how much damage they'd. could do. It was proven with the guy who got a target on the president. You know, we've been seeing this with Luigi Mangione. We've been seeing this with the embassy workers, the Israeli embassy

workers in D.C. We've been seeing attacks on Steve Scalise. That was quite a while ago. But, you know, the damage one motivated person can do is so detrimental to the fabric of our society. I feel like this will inevitably lead to more political violence. Well, on the point of political violence, right, we should not endorse political violence from individuals, but it's worth noting Republicans control the House, the Senate, and the office of the president, and the government has a monopoly on violence.

Do that? The government? The government? Well, they do. Legally, they do. Legally, but clearly not in practice here. What are you, so you're, what are you saying that they don't? So, listen.

I'm saying the government does not have a monopoly on power because we have a second amendment. The idea of, stop. The idea of a monopoly on violence means that if they use violence, they will not actually go to jail. You're just trying to distract what I'm saying with BS. The government has a monopoly on violence. Okay, that's not actually in question. Whether or not they execute it or use it, that depends on whether or not the president or the Congress or the DOJ will do their duty. The point that I'm trying to make is while the conservatives have control of the government, they need to exercise power in whatever ways they can.

So I don't see a problem with actually trying to use the government to punish people that are engaging in inflammatory rhetoric because they're trying to incite violence, right? If you're out here, if you're out here saying, oh, Trump's a Nazi, Trump's a Nazi, Trump's a Nazi, Trump's a Nazi, the point of that, the intent, the reason they're saying it is because they want to incite this type of behavior. That's incitement and that's illegal. so maybe the government should start saying unless you actually have some kind of evidence that someone's a Nazi maybe the government should go and say you're actually by calling people Nazi all the time

you're trying to incite violence and we're going to arrest you that's exactly what Trump just said those on the radical left have compared wonderful Americans like Charlie to Nazis and the world's worst mass murderers and criminals this kind of rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism

that we're seeing in our country today and it must stop right now So maybe the government should exercise the power that it has. So what? Maybe the government should make it illegal to call people Nazis. I'm not happy with how this played out, obviously, but like, I don't think there's a clear-cut solution. I don't think there's a clear-cut solution for the government to play here. Wait, if I could finish.

I don't think the government could have a clear solution here again when you have a motivated, deranged individual who wants to kill somebody with a firearm. We have the Second Amendment in this country. You're not talking about taking anyone's firearm and no one's right to wait. No, but Phil, I'm trying to explain. that I don't think the government could do anything here, given the freedoms of our country and the motivations of a deranged incitement to violence is illegal. Perhaps saying punch a Nazi is incitement to violence. Libby, you're not seriously advocating that we make it illegal to say punch a Nazi. It's already illegal.

It is incitement to violence. We don't have to do anything. If you tell someone, if you say in a single sentence, so this is the problem. That's why they call it stochastic terrorism. freeze the limit of free speech is a clear and imminent threat giving someone instruction time in place and a target if you just say you should do this thing it's not illegal so punch a nazi in and of itself is not incitement if you said in the same sentence phil is a nazi punch a Nazi then it'd be like you're instructing that when they're saying trump's a nazi that's what we've been getting we've been getting time and place right like when i go out you're not when i go out to when i go out to, when I've gone out to protests and covered stuff, and when I've gone out to protest to speak up for women, right? And you have people there going, punch a turf and like, I'm going to get you

when you walk away. They're layering it. But they're, I'm right there. And I'm who they mean. The left has successfully navigated our legal system to destroy us every step of the way. So you will get 100 people in, on one side of the street, screaming punch a Nazi, which they know is protected. And the other side will point at a lot and say, that's the Nazi. Neither of them have spoken the single singular thing. And then they are telling everybody without saying it individually. And we saw this in action in 2017 at Trump's first inauguration. When they instructed everybody, these direct action, far left groups to wear all black masks, jeans, hoodies, etc., show up in D.C. and engage in acts of violence. And then they did. They set a limousine on fire.

They said fires in the street. They smashed windows. They attacked people. They flipped garbage cans. And when the police arrested the group surrounding them all, that group filed a lawsuit against the government and won. Because in the courts, our liberal, beautiful justice system, despite looking in the eyes of all of these people they knew intentionally wore these clothes and brought weapons and damaged and destroyed, they said, our legal system requires you prove the individual did it. And when the police officer would say, say, I saw that guy do it and I grabbed him and I arrested him. They would just simply say to the judge of the jury, how many other people there were wearing the exact same clothes? To which the officer

says, 200. And they go, is it then not reasonable to conclude this officer may have grabbed the wrong person by mistake who is innocent? And they'll go, yep. So it is now, it is no longer beyond a reasonable doubt. In fact, it's hard to know whether or not the cop was right when he said he grabbed the right guy because too many people are wearing the same clothes. So the government said charge them with conspiracy. They did this intentionally together to cover up the crimes committed by the people in their group who intended to engage in violence. And they failed. Then because of the arrest, the organizers, and I think it might was probably like the ACLU, the lawyers, God, one of these liberal organizations, present organizations, sued the city. They want to think it was a million dollars.

This system cannot survive. Now, I love. the English common law system that we have that makes total sense to protect the innocent. But communists looked at our plan and said, we can find every hole and break it. And they are. And there's no, there's no, there's no simple solution. This is why there is weak men make hard times, hard times make strong men, strong men make good times, because there will come a time when a culture begins to break down. Everything we're describing is a bifurcation of American culture where one side says we must, destroy the other. The other side says, please leave me alone or slow down their Democrats. They are

actively working through our legal system, breaking it at every step, knowing how to exploit it, and we sit back and say there's nothing we can do about it. Because the reality is, if we decide, you can't call people Nazis. The people over there that are screaming, punch a Nazi, you know what, we're going to arrest you now because it is incitement. The people over there saying those are Nazis, we're going to call that incitement. They're going to clap and cheer because they've won. They've destroyed our form of government. They've proved that we can't make it work. They've already done that then. That's my point. That's my point. So the reaction then is national agogers in the streets and we are in the worst place imaginable,

but at least they're not shooting us anymore. Well, I mean, that is better than people shooting us or getting into gunfights, right? Like the, the, if the option is you have, you have to use the authority in the government, what? finish your point. If the option is that the power that the government has cannot be exercised then there is

then you're leaving people with no other recourse other than to take the law into their own hands. And that's not what we want to see. We don't want to go in either direction of an arco tyranny or tyranny. And so the argument right now is Trump should deploy the National Guard to stop crime

and it is horrifying that he has to. The ACLU press release, April 26, 2021, D.C. to pay $1.6 million to settle claims from 2017 inauguration day demonstrators. People who showed up, I was there. I was in the group that got arrested. I got released because while I was in this group of largely violent far left extremists, journalists who were in there screaming at the cops at top of their lungs and spitting on them, not intentionally spitting, but like they're screaming and spits flying out. I went to the side on the right.

I said to the officer standing there that was holding the entire group in with my hands up. I just want to let you know, I'm a journalist. I have my press card with me. And the cop looks past me and he just nods. And then I said,

if possible, I'd like to notify a supervisor. And then the cop ignores me. Eventually, one of the guys behind him says, okay, hold on. He yells to a cop. Lieutenant Washington walks over. I remember his name.

And this is 2017. And he says, what do you need? And I said, I just want to let you know. I am a journalist. I have my press credentials with me. He goes, it doesn't matter. You're all under arrest. And I said, I'm just letting you know.

That's my job. After about an hour, he walks over, there's a local news crew, and he says, who are the journalists? And I wave, they wave, he removes us all, and he lets us go. Because that's how you handle it. Journalists who were with the extremists who masquerade as journalists are screaming in the face of the cops. They got arrested and then claimed their rights were violated.

Being with the protestant and screaming in the face of cops is not going to get you. So you shouldn't have been arrested. fine. But I was there. I watched these people set fires. I watched them smash windows. They all wore the same clothes. I know many of these people from Occupy. I have been in their meetings where they say black block tactics. We all dress the same because then they can't convict us. And they got away with it. And they got paid $1.6 million. A system like that will not survive. And that's what we're dealing with right now. Secretary of State Gray, what do you think about all this stuff?

How are we supposed to handle cases like this? Well, I think, you know, for one, I think Charlie, what he did with the debate on the college campuses, I understand what you're saying about live events earlier, Tim, but what you talked about very eloquently about your show, the audience you have, the audience Charlie had with this show, which we had on our stations in Wyoming. Wyoming because we have stations and we syndicated his show on those AM stations, that is a big part of, you know, the answer in terms of getting our arguments out there. And I think the other thing, too, that's really important to emphasize is, you know, Charlie was a person that really believed in history and legacy and our country. Like I think, back to one of the other events that he did in and uh with the republican party and lynn freeze foster freeze lynn frie's husband was one of the first donors the first donor to

turning point and uh was heavily involved in providing you know the capital and the resources to to get charlie's idea off the ground and foster passed away in 2021 and and To raise funds for the party, there was an auction for Foster's desk. And Charlie was there. He gave the speech at that event. And he said, that's the desk where Foster told me that turning point, that he was going to help fund turning point to get it off the ground. And he bid on that auction item and took that item. him home. And it showed me, you know, one of the things I really think, you know, driving out here

thinking about Charlie is how much he really believed in legacy and history and the foundations of our country. He wants our country to succeed. And we have to make sure as we evaluate these issues that, you know, we think about it in terms of that lens, that vein. yeah i i don't see a lot of success in the future you know um again they killed the guy that was beating them at the argument and if you can't actually have a conversation without you know ending up dying on stage you're you're there's not a lot of of room. There's not a lot of direction left you can go. A lot of this, I remember a lot of that aspect of not being able to talk to someone because you disagree with them. I remember that

distinctly starting in the 90s when I was in high school and then in college. And there was this idea that if you disagreed with somebody or if somebody disagreed with you, right? And you thought that that person who disagreed with you was on the wrong side of history, right? stupid idiotic phrase. That's an idiotic phrase. Yes, it was on the wrong side of history. Then you could say, stop. I don't even need to talk to you anymore because you are a racist.

You're homophobic. You're whatever. Eventually you're transphobic, right? And so there was this idea that you don't even have to engage the other side of your argument if you can just blanketly say that argument is not worth having because your perspective is wrong. And I remember this perspective coming from friends' parents, right? From friends, from other students, from professors. There was this idea of like, I don't have to talk to you.

I have now decided that you are exist problem. And I don't have to talk to you. And I remember at the time being like pretty grossed out by that perspective and saying so, like that's absurd, have the conversation. every concept, every idea is on the table and open for debate. We're all, you know, we're all educated people here. We can do that. We can talk about anything.

And they've killed that. There are a bunch of videos going viral of leftists. TMZ also apparently. That are basically saying, this is just the beginning. Y'all are next, things like that. Yep. And what I want to mention about these live events is one of the fears that we've talked about quite a bit, is that shot heard around the world moment. There are a lot of leftists that are sitting

there itching to pull a trigger. With this moment, we are now seeing them saying, it's on, this is it. The signal basically went out with attack on Charlie. That season has begun. So it is open season. Well, these leftists are basically, the attitude they're having now is, have we started it? We're starting it now. The threat has increased exponentially. if you understand what I'm trying to say, right? When this group believes that there's no resistance, they just stay at home. With these videos that are going massively viral and they have tens of millions of views, they're all basically saying it's started, go do it now to each other.

Which means the risk factor at all these events is probably 100-fold. Do you see Baron Trump moved back to D.C.? really he's finishing college by living and living in the white house i think it's important not to underestimate the amount of vitriol that far leftists has for the average conservative and that they you think you are generally um genuinely irredeemable genuinely deplorable racist homophobic xenophobic yeah same genocide supporter i think the same of them they wholeheartedly believe that though and to a degree that dehumanizes the average conservative. And that mindset is, I think we really need to internalize them actually thinking that, though.

Well, you know, I think to that point, it is worth noting that, yeah, you're right. That's that, to be honest with you, that should be obvious to everyone. But these attitudes are prevalent enough among the left where I think, think that people need to also remember that should they get, and I've said this before, should they get back into positions of power, they are a threat to every conservative, right? The idea that they will, that Democrats will take control of the office of the executive and the House and they won't use the Justice Department to go after conservatives, they absolutely will. And that is, that is something, what?

We're back in an era of political violence. not on the level of the government, but on the level of the vigilante. No, but if the, if the, if the, if the, if the Democrats take the house again or take the house and the office of the executive, then the people on, listen, the people, yeah, well, yeah, the people on the street will feel empowered because the government won't prosecute them. Like the problem that Tim just laid out, right, where DAs and judges will not actually do things to prevent crime, they will not use any kind of authority that they, have to prevent crime that's only going to be exacerbated when the republic when the democrats

take back the positions of of federal authority when well there's that's the way things go and there's there's almost always i would love to think that it's going to be republicans from here on out or just not crazy leftist maybe not that doesn't those don't exist anymore jasmine crockett's on her way out they don't they don't jasmine crocket is not at all on her way out i thought she lost didn't she says she's on her it doesn't matter what she's one person look at the way that people are talking on the internet about Charlie Kirk today. You find what you look for, but yeah, I know what you mean. The left is rallying right now.

Like the tweets that I'm seeing, 15,000 retweets on an account with 5,000 followers saying it's time more now. It's been quiet for a month. Trump's authority has silenced, and you know when people get silenced, the voice of the unheard. You know what the voice of the unheard is, so they say violence. It's been very quiet for a month. The issue is Trump has been effective in shutting down the far-left extremists, sending in the National Guard, these ice raids, as people had voted for, and the left is doing exactly what we all thought was going to happen a year ago. When we on this show said, Donald Trump will use the National Guard, we set it on the show. I've been saying it.

Trump will engage in these ice raids. I asked, I believe it was Sam Cedar, do you think Trump will use military with these, with these, with these. these, with these immigration rates and Sam said, yes. He told me I was crazy for thinking civil war was possible and asked him, if Trump wins, will he use the military for these, for these immigration rates? And he was like, yes, I think so. Are you all going to just let him do it? He said, probably, maybe not, the left will not let Trump engage in these ice raids, deport people, nor send in the National Guard. So what did we? see. We're seeing it now. This is the escalation that I feared and we discussed over a year ago.

The National Guard has been deployed. The Marines were deployed. Indeed. The National Guard and the Marines were deployed to L.A. because they were attacking and firebombing federal facilities. So ICE is doing their job. Operation Midway Blitz. The left responds right now online. I'm going to say this. We don't know But I think it's fairly obvious that the assassination on Charlie Kirk is leftist motivated, leftist carried out. That's Ackham's razor. There seems to be no other reasonable explanation. But for the sake of cash, the investigation, I'll defer to them to figure out when they do if they do. Regardless of what actually ends up turning out to be the core facts in the case, one thing is clear.

Everyone in this country on the right believes it was the left that did it. The left is celebrating it and believing the left did it as well. the left is active on x blue sky and other platforms even occupied democrats celebrating his death celebrating it saying well he was a fascist and the comments are all agreeing they are issuing their rallying cries now it's it's exactly as we predicted yeah it sort of is um i see i don't want to blame the chinese for everything but when you say leftism i think of communism and then i think of stalwart CCP, would love nothing more than to see their greatest enemy kill itself. And if you could incite that by getting one side of that country to hate the other

side, ooh, what a win for you because then they don't even know you did it. I don't know. It's not looking. It's so much longer of a game than that. I mean, it's been it's been stewing in colleges and on the left for ages now. It's not just the Chinese. We are going to, we're going go to chats. So smash the like button, share the show, all that good stuff. For obvious reasons, we didn't do our standard promos or anything like the normal show. This is much more serious than that. Super Chats and Rumble Rants are your guys' comments and thoughts on the matter.

So we will read those as much as we can. Shane H. Wilder says, I hope I'm pronouncing this right. Rockwee Scott, how do you pronounce it? Rockvice Scott, Impace, Charlie. the Italian rest in peace Mike Schmidt spoke on his death saying it would be a defect of humanity not to experience anger

we need to use that anger to do good until we meet again Charlie Cheeseburger says Tim started a crowd fund to support Charlie Kirk's family consider this a donation I hope there is one let me see if I can find one probably a give send go

there is four hours ago I don't know if I can find a link. I don't think I can find a link. It appears there is one. I can't find it, though. Let me see.

Maybe GIFS & Go just has it. Trending campaigns. There is a campaign here for Charlie Kirk's family. Make sure it's real. Well, it's on Gifts & Go. Their goal is a million dollars. They've raised so far $25,000. Don't know who said it up, but it's on the front page of Gifts and Go.

We like Gifts & Go. go, those guys are great. We've had him on the show several times. So I feel for Charlie's family, man. There's no words. CB85 says Charlie proclaimed Jesus as Lord, and now he is with his Savior and Lord. Trump lives. Charlie goes home. God is Lord. It is still sad to hear, you know. I know Trump says we take Silas that he is with Jesus and things like that. And I respect that tremendously, but it is still hard to hear.

Yeah, dude. He could have. have been alive for another 40 years. Such a young man. Solace. Solace is in joy. Remember that. Accomplish so much. Some of these chats, guys, I respect, but it's just hard to read.

It's hard to read. 3D pyromaniac says the left has now officially killed the moderate right. He valued open debate over violence and the effing killed him for it. Yeah. Because he was right about everything. this was the way to win these conversations in public to prove his point

and they knew that the only way they win is through controlling the flow of information and lying yep there's a lot of these rumble rants and chats that I can't read but they're not that bad I'm not trying to make it seem like

they're really crazy or anything it's just people are angry Mason M93 says Charlie Kirk was born the same year I was and has done more than I am likely ever to do. Why does it feel like every day the left is daring the right to be the worst version of itself? Sir, I only tell you if you really feel that Charlie has done more than you ever would or ever could do. Now is the time to do ten times more than you're doing now because without Charlie, someone's going to have to carry that weight.

And we're looking at you, man. We're looking at everybody. jumped up pleb says as nick frieda said they didn't kill him because he was hateful but because he was effective he was the best of us you know may god welcome him and strengthen his family omni stone herald says asman gold referred to charlie as a right-wing extremist not really sure what he thought was extreme did he really that doesn't sound like asmin gold don't No. I don't know. All right.

Unravel Guardian says, Phil, I said that a week ago, these people are not liberals. We haven't lost that conversation. I hope this turning point leads to a better America, but I fear the Civil War is still ahead. Rip CJK. Was that his middle name? Joseph. I don't know. Charlie Kirk.

I believe it was a J.S. James. Charlie James Kirk, Charles. Aussie Brad says the Charlie news is all over the Australian news and social media. He wasn't just a Christian and conservative icon in the U.S., but throughout the world. This event will be a major catalyst in change. Turning Point, UK. Yeah, and there were so many global leaders who were posting their sadness at his passing as well.

Well, Charlie had been doing some events in the UK about how they need to turn things. around there. Yeah, those fascinating debates at Cambridge. Yep, exactly. He was more than a Christian or a conservative. Like, he was just a guy, like a really amazing guy and found himself in politics and born in the United States.

But what a guy. Man. There's videos breaking down the left-wing media coverage of the assassination. It's so hard to watch. You don't want to watch it. It's just brainwashing of brainwashing. It's just celebrating.

It's crazy. Just anger-inducing. My God. Crash. Let's grab. There are many, many, many, many rumble rants in chats. And so I'm just, I'm being as select as I can with the time that we have. And so, Jim Pfaff says, I stand with Javier Millet's statement.

The left is dedicated to anything, including violence, to get their way. We must resolve to oppose leftists in the Democratic Party. Yes, that is true. So crazy what they did Tianmen Square in China in 19, early 90s, their willingness to just bowl over those people. Yeah. And you can't find out about that in China. So when Chinese go abroad and they find out about it, like they never learned about it. It's been effectively covered up in China.

All right. Random guesses. A part of me died today. and I fear what's being reborn in its place. We're being singled out, demonized, and killed, and I'm just tired of it, tired of it all. I feel hurt and alone beyond belief because nobody cares around me.

I'm hoping that this is a wake-up call for my liberal friends. I've got people that I've known for decades, and we still talk periodically, but they post these ish-lib memes all the time that's just fake, and I'm constantly hitting up being like, that's not real. And I'm hoping that this is a wake-up call. There was a post about Hassan, I think it was from the New York Times.

I don't know what he said. But the reporting is that he is telling people to stop celebrating this because he's next. The thing they're celebrating will come for him all the same and we don't want to be in that arena. He was going to debate. They were going to debate in two weeks. They were supposed to debate in two weeks. I saw the video of Hassan seeing the video of Charlie being killed. They didn't show it, but his reaction is very human.

Well, it's absolutely horrifying. That video is absolutely devastating. I got issues with Hassan for sure, but we've looked at his YouTube channel, and I've defended it. Because as much as I don't agree with his views and I think they're ill-informed, his channel is actually just a collection of the news story similar to what we do, but with bad views. And I'm sure he's the same of us. While some of these other people just spam blast Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, he doesn't do that. And so we're allowed to disagree, and I appreciate he doesn't, he's not like Sam Cedar, who just says my name 24-7. But Sam's made like three videos about me already, like in the past couple of days.

When I was gone for August sick, he didn't make a single video about me and his views dropped 20%. No joke. Hassan doesn't do that. So I can respect Hassan has views I disagree with, and that's always been okay. And, you know, I think he says bad things. But some of these people, they're grifters, they're bad. Hassan's not innocent, not perfect, but I can at least give him that. Well, it is also 9-11 tomorrow.

He did say, I believe the quote was, America Deserved 9-11. I feel like I would... He's the worst. He's the worst. Like, after your nice spiel, oh, maybe he does nice news coverage. He's also a communist piece of... He's an anti-American. He's an American-deserved 9-11, and it just also is tomorrow.

It just happens to be tomorrow. When he says, don't be violent, stop encouraging that things like that, I'm like, okay, good. If you're a communist, and you're a communist, and you're a communist, you're not advocating that we go around committing violence against each other, then all I have to do is argue against you. I know I'm going to win. I'm sure he's very careful with his words now post his comments in the past. And I'm not going to say what I believe he really thinks. Sam Hyde woke him up. He's an anti-American communist. That's all there is to it. He's anti-American. I think when Sam Hyde went to that arena and said he was going to kill Hassan,

Hassan, that was a hard wake-up call for him. I also will say this, with all due respect to Sam, how do I think is a funny guy? I think he's a smart guy. I've got no beef. I don't mean to be disrespectful. But I think that was inappropriate that he said that, that he was going to kill Hassan. And the reason is, he said, not as a joke in real life. And people tell me, oh, he was just joking. I'm like, no, it's not a joke. There are people who follow Hassan, who saw that and said, this proves the far right are racists who want to kill us. We got to do it first. It escalates things in an insane, insane way. And you can't just be like, I was joking. Not to these people. We have to people come on this show and say things where like, if you really

were on the left and you believed this, then you would go do this thing. And we're like, shows off the year. And they're like, well, I was saying hypothetically. And I'm like, there are leftists who see this show. And you just told them to be violent. Like it's a call to call to violence is called to violence. We'll get banned for it. You can't do it. So when he did that, or otherwise. Liberals heard it. And they don't think it's a joke. Hassan didn't think it was a joke. And people make fun of him for it. And I'm like, I get why he's freaking out, bro. Like, we have to deal with this stuff. So I don't like Hassan's views and the things he says, I get that. But I understand why that escalation is bad. All right. What do we have here? I'm trying to be selective. Sorry,

guys. G.F. says this is our generation's MLK event. Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy. Right. It's the truth. That's entirely the truth. Do you guys think

there's a risk of civil war? Sure. Yeah. I've been studying a lot about the American civil war. It would be a different type of thing completely. It would be like a dismantling of the United States by eight different countries, corporations, local communities. It would be like finding your cousin in a landfill

with his arms tied behind his back with piano wire and drill holes in his thighs. It would be like what goes on in Mexico. It would be heads on the side of roads. Probably like the water would cut. It wouldn't be a, it wouldn't be armed factions the way like, you know, people fighting the way that you think about.

armed like war now it would be so it would be chaotic it would be brutal it is not at all what people think it is people hiding in schools i mean i think in a lot and us being like well we have to attack them in the school we have to blow up the school because they're harboring terrorists and all this bull yeah yeah no but yes there is a threat the one of my friends asked me today we were sitting down and this was still in the midst of not knowing what had happened to charlie and I wanted everything just to believe that he was okay and I got sent one of the videos

and within looking at the first frame I threw my phone and started crying because I knew even though I didn't want to believe and I didn't know for sure but I mean you knew and my friend said this could lead to civil war

and this is not a political dude this is a skateboarder he doesn't know anything about politics at all and I said bro this is exactly what war looks like it's not like maybe it might happen the question now is with the left's response about escalation if they if they actually start taking up on it my other fear is that people on the right might escalate as well but people seem to think war is like a bunch of troops marching towards each other they've never watched a video from Syria during the civil war two guys in one

building in a residential neighborhood nothing else and then a bunch of people get shot and they're dead. That's what war looks like. It looks like a car pulls in and a bunch of guys with guns jump out and it's a shopping district and you're just buying some melons and you look around, they run in, start grabbing a bunch of stuff throwing at the truck, they shoot a bunch of people getting their truck and leave. That's what Civil War looks like. The American Civil War was several sovereign states and a union that had fractured. And these sovereign states had standing armies. Civil war around the world is not like that. There is no Unified Standing Army. Factions break apart. In Syria, for instance, there

were something like 12 factions at the start of the Civil War. But we look to America and we think civil war is going to be one side and another side linking up and then going to war. No, that's just war. And that's, that's, that's archaic. What we are more likely to see in this country is factional. There's going to be different sex of leftism. There's going to be different sex of right-wing conservative groups and moderate groups. There's different cultures. And If Civil War were to happen, what it looked like for you, most of you, nothing will change except for what you hear on the news. You'll go to work, prices will go up. You'll go grocery shopping and you'll be like, well, I guess I'm not buying avocado anymore.

Why? You'll hear on the news that certain roads, freeways from the south, had been bombed. And you'll be like, yeah, the trucks can't get through. But your grains and your stable products that are manufactured in your region probably will still be there, but the prices will go up a little bit. that's what Civil War will look like. For people in big cities, a lot of these cities probably won't see a thing. When I have this conversation with people,

it's interesting because they believe, I hear this all the time. Like when I went on the Triggerometry podcast, they said, I go outside, nothing's happening. This was Civil War. And my question is always, do you think that in Atlanta, in 1863, a guy walked out of his house

and his neighbor looked at him and said, oh, I'm going to fight you? No, they were neighbors. They lived in the same city. They believed the same things. DC's 80%, 90% Democrat. No one there's arguing with each other, but these people in other areas do. The question becomes, in these cities, what will we likely see insurgency, meaning why would an

Antifa group in Portland shoot and kill other Antifa? They're not going to do it. When the far left took over the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone, they called it, a handful of people died because they were paranoid and panicked and shot them up. But all in all, what did they do? They got a bunch of guns, surrounded this area, took over buildings, and told people they couldn't come in. Now, if you were a right-wing group with Maga-Hats on and you approached them, they'd shoot and kill you. Why do I think that?

How do I know that? Because some kids were in a vehicle. They were joyriding, teenagers. Someone spread a rumor that they were white supremacists, so the armed Chasguards unloaded on them and killed them without investigating, without knowing. That's what they do. That's what civil war looks like. Now, here's the thing. At the time, people said, yeah, it's him, but it happened, and there was no civil war.

Indeed, periods of civil strife don't always lead to civil war. The next step in civil strife becomes civil war. The civil rights era of the United States was a civil strife period. It did not lead to civil war. What we are dealing with right now may just be civil strife. We don't know. But based on what the left is saying, we have two major considerations. The deployment of the National Guard and military, ice raids across the country, that is, federal, military, and law enforcement action to a greater degree than seen in the past 10, 20 years.

The assassination of Charlie Kirk and the rhetoric on the left calling for more within the same day. If the left decide to take action and we start seeing these armed groups like Chess Chop pop up and they say it's time to fight back against ice, The only question then becomes when we collectively just think, yeah, maybe it's a civil war. Yeah, that's interesting. And what does a civil war look like, if not the violent leftists versus the law enforcement? And it's not necessarily local government, but take a look right now with the crime in Chicago. And Trump says, we want to send the National Guard in Pritzker says no. It's exactly what we said last year on this show that Trump would try to deploy the National Guard.

The blue states would say no. and we already saw the conflict with Newsom trying to seize, take command of the National Guard from Trump. This is all standing before us. I don't, I don't know what it looks like, but I'll tell you this. In the Syrian Civil War, how did it start? There were protests. The government fired on protesters. Various factions popped up, started shooting back.

It was not, A versus B. It was not blue versus red. It was random group over here, random group over here, random group over there. After a year or so, they started to. to coalesce. And then it was ultimately ISIS that basically took everything over and shut down the more moderate reformists. This is the recent civil war you're talking about in Syria? Ten years ago. Okay. It started with a dozen or so factions. They were different factions that were not aligned politically. They didn't organize with each other versus the government. And their

argument was the government was shooting and killing protests. The government argued they were terrorists that were inciting destabilization of the country. After a long enough period of destabilization, ISIS, El Nerser and other groups started to force these people to join them or die, creating a power structure under one umbrella, which

created ISIS over the whole region. Was the CIA involved with that with USAID? Some speculate. We don't know for sure. We armed the rebels in the Syrian conflict to help, and the Kurds, I believe, against ISIS. And then the other side was also being supported by

Russia, Turkey's involved. There's a lot of players. Yeah, there's a lot of people that when they hear, oh, you know, the U.S. made ISIS or whatever, they think that like it was the United States trying to create this group. These people already had these ideas and they had these desires.

They totally had agency. They were motivated to do this. What the United States did was gave them arms. That's it. Like the U.S. didn't have to tell them, hey, we want you to do this. We want you to do that. They already had all these plans

and all these things they wanted to do. the United States didn't have to convince ISIS, you should try to reinstate a caliphate. They already wanted that. What the U.S. did was gave them arms and money. So. We are going to, so Shane Cashman,

host of Tales from the Inverter World, is going live right now. And he also knew Charlie and hit. He has been at our events. Normally his show discusses the weird, the wild. It's kind of the pressure release valve of Timcast, IRL, after you see all the craziness,

Shane, Brandon, and Alex, they will do a show where you get to goof off and talk about aliens and Bigfoot and ghosts. Anyone can call into the show. But today, he is going to be discussing one of the most consequential story of our generation, maybe of the past 50 years, on par with some of the most pressing stories of the past century. He'll be discussing the Charlie Kirk story. So we are going to go to the uncensored portion of the show at rumble. com slash timcast i rl but uh for those of you that are that are watching on youtube and uh the non-premium rumble i encourage you to to subscribe to tales from the inverter world and and hear shane out as he as he discusses you know his thoughts on this he wasn't here to talk with us about it but he's

going to be doing his show now so uh you can follow me on x and instagram at timcast please uh hit that like button subscribe all that good stuff uh yeah uh you want to shout anything out good sir i mean it's been a heck of a show yeah it's uh It's a sad day, and we will not be silence, though. We have to keep the mantle, the torch going that Charlie has been doing for all these years, and we're going to. I know we will. Right on, man. I'm Libby Emmons, and you can find me on Twitter, and thank you for sticking with us tonight as we tried to make sense of the completely not.

unsensible. Thank you for tuning in tonight, everybody. My name's Alad Eliahu. I'm the White House correspondent here. You could find me at Alad Aliahou on everything. At Ian Crossland is where you'll find me on the internet at Ian Crossland. And Chuck, I just wanted to point out your Chuck for Wyoming on X. People are going to follow you there.

Thank you. Good to meet you, man. Good to see you. And Phil. I am Phil that remains on Twix. Today I want to sign off. I saw Secretary of War tweeted this today. It was Matthew 25, 23.

Well done, good and faithful servant. Rest in peace, Charlie. Please join us at rumble.com slash Timcast.IRL. We will continue this conversation, uncensored portion, and we'll see you all there in a few seconds. Thank you.