Timcast IRL - Chicago Bears LEAVE CHICAGO w/ Matthew Williams

Episode Date: June 6, 2026

Tim, Phil, Ian, and Brandon are joined by Matthew Williams to discuss the Chicago Bears voting to LEAVE Chicago and move to Indiana.  SUPPORT THE SHOW BUY CAST BREW COFFEE NOW - https://castbrew.com/ Join - https://timcast.com/discord Hosts:  Tim @Timcast (everywhere) | https://www.shoutout.fans/timpool Phil @PhilThatRemains (X) | https://allthatremains.komi.io/ Ian @IanCrossland (everywhere) | https://graphene.movie/ Brandon @BrandoInverted (X) Producer: Carter @carterbanks (X) | @trashhouserecords (YT) Guest:  Matthew Williams @MrPrudentialist (X) Podcast available on all podcast platforms! Chicago Bears LEAVE CHICAGO | Timcast IRL For advertising inquiries please email [e-mail]

This may be the most shockingly offensive story I've ever covered. And if there is anything that would drive me to rioting, it's not politics, it's this. Chicago Bears are gone. No more Chicago Bears. That's it. They're the Hammond, Indiana Bears now. Chicago, my hometown, has given up one of its most important traditions. And now, to all the liberals watching, I'm going to complain about immigrants, I'm going to complain about the economy.

I'm going to complain about that's not democracy in Chicago. And that's what we're going to talk about as to how you lose one of the most iconic things your city has. The Chicago Bears. Can you believe it? I can't believe it. I can't. Seriously, it's nuts. We knew it's going to happen because they've been talking about either moving them to Arlington Heights or Indiana.

At least if it was Arlington Heights, a suburb of Chicago, it's Illinois and just kind of the Chicago suburb bears. But when you cross that state line, you want to play games. games. And then everyone's like, what about the giants? What about the command? Get out of here. Get out of here. Chicago Bears. So that's the most important thing that I could talk about today, despite the fact that right now ballots were stolen in the California election. More accusations of cheating. A ballot dump came in with zero votes for Spencer Pratt. I know all of that is important, but they took away my bears. I will riot. Mark my words. Everybody's pissed about it. Everybody should from Chicago. You know what? I'm going to say,

If it turns out, they did it on a Friday of all days, the stupidest day to do it. They probably put out the news about the Chicago Bears leaving Chicago on a Friday because I want to bury the story. But I'm going to tell you this, my friends, it's the weekend. And people have the weekend. I wouldn't be surprised if they riot over this. Well, I'd be half surprised, I guess. I want to talk about that and a whole bunch of other stuff. Before we do, we got a great shout out for you.

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My friends, don't forget to smash that like button. Share the show with everyone, you know, joining us tonight to talk about this and everything else is Matthew Williamson. Who are you? What do you? Well, thanks for having me on. Greatly appreciate it. I am a writer and an editor.

I am the host of two programs known as do you even read in the digital archipelago. So many people in politics, they tell you so often, go read this, go read theory. No one actually reads. And so myself and my co-host Dimes, we do a very good job at trying to cover all of the sort of political literature out there that, you know, people tell you to read. We actually do it. We like to tell people all the time that we're like the only pro-Eliteracy podcast online because that kind of keeps us a job.

But you'll find me quite often in the words of the Blaze with Frontier Magazine. I've been in IM 1776, the Mars Review of Books, and more often than not, I'm usually a guest on Orrin McIntyre's program. So thanks for having me on. Yeah. When you first came in, Kellenhead shared the news about the Bears leaving Chicago

and I just saw you, like, you Hulked out, you started smashing things and we had to calm you down. We were like, stop, stop. And you were like, ah! Force the suit jacket back on you.

I know, it was real rough. But at the same time, I'm forcing myself to kind of react because it's like, man, this is a really bad time to announce that I'm a Green Bay fan. Oh, no. I know I'm in hostile.

And it with the hammer. Relax. No, Green Bay's fine. You know, they're like our neighbors. It's a good rivalry. So it's, you know what it is? It's like you and your brother will get into a fight. Oh, yeah.

It'll get real mad. But then if someone else threatens your brother, you're like, you turn immediately like, no, no, no, no, no. So it's like with Green Bay, you know, we'll smack talk. But if the Vikings say something, you and I never. No, wait. It's war, baby. All right, we got the boys hanging out.

Everybody. Ian Crossland up in it. What's going on, guys? What's up, everybody? I'm Philibanti, singing for all the remains. What's up, everyone? Carter here and Brando behind me. Let's get into the news.

We got this from W. H.RNBC, welcome to Indiana. Bears board votes to move the team from Chicago to Indiana. I would like to just say, excuse me, congratulations to Indiana. You've won. Indiana's just been doing better than Illinois for a long time. We all know it. You don't get me wrong, you had those state senators, you know, they didn't want to redistrict and, well, they got what was coming to them. Indiana just has generally been better for a lot of reasons in terms of freedom and gun rights and buying cigarettes, I guess, as long as I've been around. Everybody in Chicago knows it.

And now they've taken from us our bears. They have done it. And, well, I say, good match, good match. My anger is now with Indiana for actually securing the bears, the Indiana bears. You can't use the word Chicago anymore. I forbid it. Chicago failed. We failed.

And I know a lot of you might be saying there's going to be a mix, right? a lot of people care about sports. They care about our iconic teams, our traditions. They care about watching football. And I respect that. But there are a lot of people are probably saying, like, I don't care about sports ball. This is not about sports ball. And I hate that word, too. It's like people make fun of sports. I like sports. I'm not a big football or basketball watcher, but I respect it. And it's physical feats. They're very important. Get out there, get exercise. But there are a lot of people, you need to understand when you look at this as a sports story. It's not. This is a story about the American tradition. It's a story about what

our great grandparents, our grandparents and our parents built for us. And it's about how we have failed and we have given up our traditions. Now, you may be saying, ah, but the bears, you know, listen, I'm going to tell you honestly, I am biased. I am from Chicago. What the bears mean to someone from Chicago, it's iconic. It's the signs. It's the flags. It's soldier field. It's growing up and having this be a part of your life as something that was built to be shared and we have good memories of. And we cheer for it. And I know you guys feel that way about your heart. hometown teams as well, be it small or big. When I see this story, I ask myself how it is that a city gave up on securing one of its most iconic traditions. How is it that when it came to a vote,

the mayor, the governor, the system in play said, we don't care about our sports team. Now again, let's remove sports team from the equation and talk about life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, the traditions, and the things that are all around us. When your governors, when your mayors, when your politicians come to a vote and they ask the people, hey, I want to get reelected. What do you care about? When the people say we don't care about our traditions, it's not just sports, it's jurisprudence. It's the Fifth Amendment.

It's the First Amendment. It's the Second Amendment. All of these things eroding all around us now exemplified right in the faces of your average person seeing an iconic sports team be stripped away from our hometown. And many of you may say, Tim, who cares? It's sports. What I say is this. We have brought in people not from this country. Many of them welcomed with open arms, and I respect that.

But many of them illegally. And they were brought in under the cover of night by Biden and by many of these Democrats illicitly, flown on planes, dropped to the tune of millions of individuals. Some of these people get amnesty. Some of these people are protected by the likes of Barack Obama. These people have kids. These people get citizenship. But they are not here following the moral and cultural.

traditions that were built by our families and our fathers and mothers for us. And with all due respect to these people, I understand why they vote for what they do. But when the question comes to a city, what shall we allocate for production in the budget? We have this much money from taxes and from income. What should we spend? A country, a people, they say we vote for our traditions. But when you bring in these newcomers, they say, I don't. know what the bears are and I don't care that you built them. So when the vote comes around, the politicians say, we don't need money for the bears. We don't need money for our traditions, for our icons, for what the city means anymore because it is now majority newcomers. And

therein lies the big problem. Let me stop ranting on this. You can tell them pissed off about it. We've got a statement here from George H. McCaskey and President Kevin Warren saying, yesterday the Chicago Bears Board of Directors met and voted to advance our stadium development project in Hammond, Indiana, with the exact site to be selected. We believe a world-class stadium project in Hammond will transform the region, connecting northwest Indiana to the south side of Chicago through the loop, and across neighborhoods in the suburbs stretching north of the city, it will bring Chicago land together and deliver new opportunities to its residents and businesses.

I'm just going to say it right now. I'm from the south side of Chicago. I never went to Indiana. You know why we go to Indiana? cigarettes. That's what people go to Indiana for. They drive the half an hour to Indiana to buy cheap cigarettes and then illegally bring them over to sell Lucy's at at kegers in warehouses. So when they're like, Indiana is of course part of the Chicago land area. That means nothing to the people who grew up in this city. So let me just end my rant furiously just by saying this is exactly exemplifying.

And I hope it reaches the ears of people, the eyes of people who aren't really paying attention to politics. You may live in New York, you may live in California, you may live in Texas, and you may have seen, maybe you saw the Redskins get turned into the commanders when they vote to strip you of your traditions and iconography and what your culture is and was and what you grew up and what you love. And I hope people outside of Chicago can recognize what it means when you have decades of jokes, of media, of movies, of stories about your iconic team. and then one day they vote to take it away. Your history does not matter to these people.

And that's what we are watching be stripped from us. For me, I care about the First Amendment, the Second Amendment. I care about baseball and apple pie. And now it's come to the faces of regular people when the city can't even maintain its own iconic traditions. I am going to smash something right now. Look, I mean, this kind of thing, the changing of American society is something that we've been seeing, you know,

know, happen. It was slowly happening, I think, of the early aughts into the teens. And then with the George Floyd riots in 2020 with the whole BLM and stuff like that, all of the, all of the massive changes into, you know, the statues that had to be taken down, all of the phrases that became, you know, you're not allowed to say them anymore. This kind of stuff is directly because the populations of the United, the populations of different, different areas. areas in the United States have, have substantively changed, right? Like, so America is not populated with as many Americans, people that value America, that value our history, that value our culture.

There are just fewer Americans, particularly in cities, particularly in areas. I literally warned of this when I was talking about Springfield, Ohio, and them eating the dogs and eating the cats, when I said, you have, you have 100 people and they have a baseball field that was built by Granddad, and they go to their town hall meeting and say, hey, what should we spend our town's budget on this year? And everyone agrees we love our baseball field. We love what Granddad built for us. And they all clap and cheer and say, our kids are going to play baseball too. And then Joe Biden brings in 200 Haitians. And next year when they go to vote and they say, should we maintain the baseball field? All of the people from that town say, yes. And the 200 Haitians outvote them saying, we want a migrant welcome center. I'm not blaming them for wanting a migrant welcome center. I understand why they do. I am blaming the government for

jamming people who don't respect our culture and traditions into our communities and stripping us of what we value. You might be right that the illegal immigrants caused the Britain. Not just the, not just the, not just the, I'm joking. That might be something to do with it. But I'm desensitized because my Cleveland Browns got taken for me in the 90s and went to Baltimore. It's hyper-capitalism. These guys are chasing cheaper taxes and a cheap stadium. No, no, I disagree.

How can you argue? It's the Federal Reserve. I blame the Federal Reserve. It's been happening for 100 years. I totally disagree. I don't think that there's any. The issue right now. The issue right now.

Taxes, they're going to turn cheaper, better stadium. The story is this. The state. Soldier Field is small. It's from an older era. And they want to be able to do more events. They want to be able to have larger audience, like more people in the stands. They want to be able to make more money. And so they went to the city and said, what can we do? And the city said, we won't do anything for you. So they said, well, something has to be done. So the Bears started entertaining other sites, Arlington Heights and Hammond, Indiana. The city could absolutely allocate the funds to a bigger and better stadium and expansion and move it and keep it in Chicago. And they decided not to do it.

And the motivation. That's just it. And we're sorry, sorry, just real quick. Probably they were like, you know. And real quick, to your point about capitalism, yes, I agree. And what we are asking for, what I am asking for is not capitalism. I am asking for government subsidy. I am saying of the things we spend money on, and we look in New York City and they're dumping

tens of millions of dollars on hotels for illegal immigrants, I am just asking that they give tax subsidies and allocate public funds to something the people of Chicago want and care about. Instead, they built migrant camps. on the South side. And the black community was outraged saying we are being replaced. They take our money and they build things we don't want and they refuse to build the things that we do. That's what pisses me off. It may be that they did the math and they're like, if we put $1.2 billion into a stadium, we're going to recoup it over 19 years with inflation. Like, what's the value here? The people in North Indian are still going to take the L up into Chicago and hang out all night. Because the issue is not money and that's the point.

I think it's all about money. It's not. You just said subsidies, right? The issue. for me, and what I am mad about, is that when we as a collective decide to pool our money towards government, which includes infrastructure projects, it should include things like iconic traditions that also generate revenue and are important for the morale of a people and a city. The issue is, when it comes to the question of allocating funds for this, your voter base is no longer Chicagoan. It is no longer America. You now have people saying, we don't, look, we're going to vote for you, but we don't care about this. So Pritzp. and Johnson and whoever else is running is taking into consideration.

If I decide to allocate a billion dollars or whatever, some ridiculous number, towards making sure the Chicago Bears stay the Chicago Bears, will I get votes? The answer is no, because you have young people who don't care about this country and our traditions, and you have people who aren't from this country who don't care about our country and our traditions. Yeah. It is about the changing of what the population is. because the people of Chicago, they don't care about things that are American anymore.

Oh, geez. I mean, that's a grand generalization. You might be right about some of them. But we've got to look at the books to know what the economic projections of this are before we make a decision. I don't care about the economic production. It's all about economics. You mentioned subsidies. You just said that we have to look to know.

Then you made the assertion that you know. You can't. And those things are mutually exclusive. I mean, can't we pull this up? I mean, what did Hammond offers? them, what was it, 40 years before they really start doing any kind of taxation? And I mean, on top of this, we've seen throughout all types of major companies and institutions in America, let's go back maybe 10, 15 years ago when Amazon was trying to move to get another headquarters

or another facility opened up. You had countless mayors doing advertisements, giving the sweetest deal humanly possible to have them go there. There were like a dozen mayors. They were all doing the Alexa. Hey, where's the next, you know, headquarters two going to be in? It would say their respective city. A lot of this is going to have to do about the leverage that the team and the board are going to use to what kind of, you know, pot that's sweet enough for them to stay in the town. And if Hammond is going to undercut the city of Chicago, yeah, it's a pretty bad sign for the city of Chicago because the Senate passed it right in the morning, the House said no, and now they're deciding to walk. Whether or not this is

the end and all, be y'all, is a whole other story, but it really does go to show to Ian's point that this has a lot to do with what kind of deal they can get. Yes, and there's, I don't know, did you guys watch the Dave Rubin Jubilee? No. No. No. So he's having a debate with Parker. This Parker Get a job guy, he loves to debate random people. He has like call-ins from people who have no idea what they're talking about. And he's just insults them. So he's in front of Dave Rubin and he says, can you tell me one metric by which Donald Trump has made this country better? I mean like GDP, inflation, unemployment. And then Dave Rubin says something to the fact of, well, the big beautiful bill just passed. I mean, we're still waiting for the repercussions. And then Parker

ask him the same question again. Yes, but can you give me a metric? And he talks really fast. Can you be metric by like Donald Trump has made things better? Like inflation, GDP, like something. And Dave Rubin says, wait, and then everyone laughs at him. See, this is the problem I see with what you're saying. This is the problem with the modern era. My response to this young fellow would have been quite simply, well, immigration. One of the most, in terms of metrics that Donald Trump has improved things was on immigration where the American people in 2024 saw immigration as the second most pressing issue and voted for Donald Trump with a mandate to enforce our immigration laws, which you reduce that number dramatically. So in terms of what the people asked for,

now if your argument is the structure of governance is good when Graf go up, I'd say you're a child who fundamentally misunderstands what it means to be a nation and a people. And that is, when I look at the bears, I look at our traditions and what unites a people and it's culture. When people share cultural values, they hold hands, they hug, they get along. When people from Chicago say, this is our team, they get mad when someone insults their team. They say, yeah, well, the bear's like, you can't talk about my bears that way. But in Chicago, everybody's like, let's go bears. And they're high-fiving.

These are the things that unify us and are incredibly important, which means we should spend money on them, even if the return may not be there. To the point of Parker, when he says, what about immigration, inflation, or otherwise? The issue of tariffs come up. And I say the tariffs are a good thing to which the response is, and I say this, but Parker said, the tariffs are bad. You know, they cause problems. I believe the tariffs, the universal tariffs, have been bad internally for the US economy

and have been good for American culture. And it's something that must be done. We must spend money to improve. This is a strange reality we live in where the mentality among the liberals in this country is we should just have every, like, we don't got to spend money to improve things. Things should just generally improve magically by word. When we decide to fix a road, we look at the $1,000 we have and say, guys, we're going to lose $1,000 when we spend this money. But we'll have a nice road.

They go, no, we don't spend money on those things. We should spend money on other things. The point is this, it costs us money to keep the bears. And why do we spend that money? Because what we get is intangible. It is culture. It is cultural cohesion. It is the tradition that keeps the city united.

and they are losing it and they're giving it up. And if you make the argument, the bears should only subsist upon their own revenue, then sure, libertarian, every road should have a toll on it. You can't drive on any busy road because you have to pay the money. If the road can't sustain itself through income, the road can't exist. Well, I think there are public projects that we should subsidize at a loss. There are like roads.

And the bears. No, no. If the sports teams not bringing in revenue because people aren't going there because they suck too bad for the city. It's not with the issue. at all. They bring in money for tourism and ticket sales. The issue was not that the bears don't generate money. The issue is that they want a bigger stadium to make more money. More money. And the city doesn't want to spend money on it. And Hammond does. And the city of Chicago should spend whatever they needed to to keep the bears. Oh, I don't. That's like, that's, that's, that's, that's,

stealing people's money to pay for your sports team, dude. That's tax. I think you, commanding taxation on people to pay for a football team. Yes, the people of Chicago who love, that's crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy. the Chicago Bears are not voting for this anymore. See, this is what you misunderstand. I literally said the thesis is, we broaden people who don't want to spend money on the Bears. So when the vote comes up, they vote against spending money on the Bears. So the city doesn't do it. My point is, we should not flood our cities and country with people who don't share our values. Otherwise, they will vote against our values. And we don't have the Bears. But I do think that this is purely a capitalistic move by a capitalistic company in a capitalistic league.

What does that mean? NFL is all about making money. The whole thing is about them making money. They're going to spend the money anyway, but it's going to be on the stuff that is no longer cared about by the people of Chicago. Let's talk about the laughing. They're going to spend the money. They're going to spend in Indiana.

Now Illinois is losing tax revenue. Illinois is going to lose an insane amount of money by giving this up. The issue is that the bears are profitable. The bears are profitable, iconic, and beloved. And moving to Indiana, it means India is going to generate all of that revenue from everybody who comes. But it's right next to Chicago. They're not moving to Detroit. Illinois is losing the money.

That's the point. Illinois could make money on this, but people don't care. Got to do the opportunity cost to what that stadium would have cost to the city and the land, the loss of the land. There's no loss of land. They buy the land. They were asking for tax subsidies. The Bears were asking. So this is Laffer Curve.

This is we'd rather charge. charge you more money and not give you. This is AOC and Amazon in New York City. This is, we would rather you leave, and in the long term, we lose insane amounts of money than spend a little bit today. We brought up the Giants who have a stadium in New Jersey. And they're still the New York Giants. People still go to New York to see the Giants, and they take the train across the river to Jersey.

And New Jersey makes the money. And New York makes a ton of money, too. And they still have the branding. I was New York making money on people leaving New York. To see the Giants and they take the train across the river. New Jersey. If you're going to, if people go to New York City to take the train to Jersey. They stay in New York City, they get a hotel.

They go to Jersey to watch the game. They come back to New York. Who's flying to New York and then riding to Jersey? Jersey's like 40 minutes away from New York. Yeah, you fly to Newark. You can. If you want to stay in Jersey, it's going to be way cheaper to stay in Jersey. To go to New York.

It's a fun time to go to Chicago. You could take the train down to India. It's like, what, 40 minutes away from the city? 40 minutes away from downtown? I don't know what you're arguing. They're not going to Arizona. They're not losing their team. It's right next door.

There's just a cheaper, bigger stadium next door. Same thing with the Giants did, man. It's still losing the Chicago Bears. Chicago said that they can't use the name Chicago Bears anymore, which is something we were talking about. Who said that, though? Who said they can't use the name? I mean, I'm saying that.

Brando was saying that. Brando was saying that. But they probably still will. And it's offensive. But the point is this. What we have seen from liberal policies has been short-term gains for long-term losses, every step of the way. This is a tremendous long-term loss.

There's some stadiums that are, egregiously over. It's like, what are they doing? A city blows so much money on an arena, and you're like, what? And then they have to corporatize it and get the name AT&T Stadium because they can't even afford it. So let's take a look at New York, Amazon, and Ocasio-Cortez. Amazon wanted to open a warehouse in New York.

I was going to hire, I think it was like 10,000 people, some massive number. It was projected to generate billions of dollars per year in tax revenue. Billions, billions. I think actually it was going to be a billion per year about in tax revenue. and so or some insane number when it's all compounded some insane number so what new york city said was we're going to give you a tax break we're going to give you a tax break of i think it was like three billion i can't remember the hard numbers to bring the factory here the argument from new york was you bring your factory will reduce your taxes we make money no amazon factory no money

amazon factory with reduced taxes we make money standard tax rate amazon doesn't want to come to New York. So they cut a deal saying, we all make money if we do this. They needed that money from the Amazon facility to fix the crumbling infrastructure. Their trains are falling apart. The L train was shuttered constantly. Probably still is. AOC joined protests in the financial district to stop Amazon from bringing these jobs and this tax revenue in. And she succeeded. Amazon said, we're not going to go to New York then. New York lost billions that they could have generated for an activist ideological nonsense. This is what is happening.

I'm going to put it simply. There is a question posed to the people of Chicago, do you want to spend money to have the Chicago Bears? Unfortunately, most of the people in Chicago don't vote based on this anymore. If you went to the 90s and you said, we're going to move the Chicago Bears out of the city, not even a joke, there would have been riots. They would have burned vehicles in the street.

They would have crashed things into walls. Today, there's not enough core shorthy. Chicagoans who care about their traditions to be bothered by it. So when someone says, listen, for $100 million, we keep this investment with the bears, we're going to generate, you know, 200 million over the next three or four years. So if we spend this now, we're going to lose that money, but it's good because we'll make money in the future. Liberal policy has always been, well, I don't care about investing for the future.

Just spend the money on comfort and luxury now. I do believe in this instance that they're still assuming there's going to be tons of traction because of the people are going to see the bears right across the border, and then they're going to come to the city. They're going to take the L. They're going to take the L. There's no L to Hammond. Well, apparently they said there's a train from the loop down to Hammond that you can take.

In the Metro, maybe. Is there a train that goes anywhere near there? Like, you can take the red line south and then take a bus or something. Isn't there one called the line? Yeah. Chicago Transit. The L train in the subway system, I think you take the red line deep, like to 95th, and then have a bus maybe that could drive.

you had a Hammond or something. If you're going to go, if you're going to go from out of town to go just to see a football game, are you going to stay in the city where it's more expensive? Are you going to stay, you know, outside of Hammond where it's less expensive to say? Depends, you know, if you're a kid, if you're just, if you're just going to see the game, right? Because most of the people that are going to see the game, they're just going to see the game. They'll probably just pop in for the game and leave. Yeah.

If you're like from out of town, but you're not looking, you're looking like maybe, you know, a couple hour drive, you're not going to stay in the city. You're going to be like, oh, I'll go see the game and I'll get a, you know, Hampton in, you know, down the street from the, the stadium. You're not going to go to the city because the city's going to be way more expensive. It's going to be cheaper to stay outside of the city. I bet part of their calculation is we're not losing all of the foot traffic from the games. If it's right.

People are going to go, people that are living in the suburbs of Chicago and living in Chicago, they're going to leave the city to go to Hammond. Yeah, so it's a metro train. It's the, the, um, the lakeshore core. commuter train from downtown that brings you to Hammond. And I looked up the directions. This is hilarious. It says to take the Lakeshore corridor from downtown Chicago to get to Indiana.

And then you have to walk four or five miles. Oh, my God. The point that I'm making is get a ride, brother. Set up shuttles probably. It stops being a destination in Chicago, right? If it's in Chicago, then people are like, well, we got to go to Chicago. But if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're, you're, You need people that specifically go just to see the Bears play?

It's like something you do. I just want to stress this. It used to be for me and Brandon, we hop on the orange line or we could take what like the 52. Like that goes downtown, right? Yeah. And you're there. You're at you're there. Oh, I love Wrigley Field, dude.

I mean, it's in. And Wrigley Field, you hop up. We would hop on the orange line to the, I think what, you could take the red line to Riggley, right? Yeah, Andersonville. You take the orange line, you transfer at Roosevelt to the red line. the red line takes you up to Edison. Yeah. And then you're at Wrigley.

What an area, dude. I mean, that. For Soldier Field, we hop on the orange line, drops us off right there. We walk right over. Now with Hammond, Indiana, it's a metro train. It's a ride downtown and then hop on a metro bed. You're going south up in and then down.

The stadium must be amazing that they want to build, like, super high tank. You know what man? I mean, who am I? I mean, I left Chicago. Who am I? You know what I mean? It's a, they want to build a dome. They want to host Super Bowls.

Yeah. Yeah. In Hamman. Brandon on the mic for this. They want to host Super Bowl. I'm going down there. All right. Yeah, Brandon's got, he's been chomper. Brandon knows more about this, I think, than anybody. He's like, I'm from Chicago, too. This is, this sucks. Hi, I'm Brandon. Hi, I don't know where the hell the camera is on this side. Hi, there it is. So I don't think they're going to lose the Chicago Bears name for one. They own that. The franchise owns that. I don't think they're going to be

able to take that away. I think that might just be a hearsay thing. They want this stadium because they want to build a dome and they want to be able to host a Super Bowl. You cannot host a Super Bowl in the NFL if you don't have a dome because you have to be fair play no matter what, right? So that's part of it. The other thing is, is they're getting, these people that you're talking about that just don't casually go see games, we're talking about some of the most hardcore fans in the NFL. You saw this with the Oakland Raiders. They got pushed out. Their fans were pissed. It was, it was detrimental to that city. And everything moved out of that. It was, we're getting rid of everything in Oakland. It was the same situation.

these guys are being pushed out of Chicago. Some of the most hardcore fans here are actually going to be pissed about this. We're talking about people who show up at 5 a.m. Park in the parking lot at Soldier Field and start tailgating. And they don't stop until the game is over. And then after the game is over, regardless of who they play, they walk out Channing Green Bay sucks. This is the Chicago Bears team that I have known my entire, no offense,

that I have known my entire life. And for me as a Chicago win as an ex-Chicago taxpayer for God knows how many years, I think this is one of the most unacceptable things that they have ever done in this city. I think it is going to kill a lot of money, like Tim says. A lot of business. Because they're generating money from parking. They're generating money from concessions. They're generating money from people who do come down for these games.

You say, have you ever seen somebody come down for a Bears game from another city? Yes, everyone in the Midwest. The Vikings fans will come down to support the Vikings at Soldier Field, even if they're not there to see the Bears. The Packers fans will come down to rival. the Bears fans in that stadium for a Packers game because that's how close the rivalries are in the Midwest or in the NFC. It is... Imagine hosting a Super Bowl in Chicago.

Right. I mean, the amount of money generated from that. But they still will if they do it at 40 minutes. No, Illinois will not see a dime from that. So many people will stay in Chicago and then drive to the Super Bowl if they're going to Super Bowl. Why? Because I'd rather, who wouldn't want to go to Chicago? People that want to go to people that are going there just to see the Super Bowl, they're going to stay around the stadium.

They're going to stay where it's less expensive because you've got, if you're flying in, if you're talking about someone that's going to go and be like, well, we'll go and make a weekend out of it. We'll go hang on Chicago. That's one thing. But if you're like, I got tickets to the Super Bowl and I don't make a ton of money, I'm just going to go to the Super Bowl. You're going to find a holiday in or you're going to find whatever someplace close to the thing. It's not in Chicago. And they're going to build, I'll give you this, but let me just say, they're going to build the amenities around the stadium.

That's the point. People will say, hey, let's go check out Chicago for the weekend. While we here, some people will do that. But I'm not talking about the answer. tourist revenue that Chicago may or may not get because they can get that for a regular Bears game whenever. Hosting big events at a big stadium at the Super Bowl level means that all the small businesses around that in Chicago are making money.

The lives of Chicagoans who are in and around these neighborhoods and areas will see dramatic improvement, more money coming in. That's going to Indiana. My ultimate point is, of course, the area will see economic boom to a certain degree if a Super Bowl is held in general. but this is the people of Chicago short term, short term gain, long term loss. We can hold on to our money now. And the question is, what are they spending the money they could have spent?

What are they spending it on anyway? It's going to be something stupid. They're going to be, look, they were trying to build gigantic migrant camps on the south side of Chicago. That's what they want to use the money for instead of maintaining Chicago's traditions. And I want to stress this to to Brandon's point, I think the bears, like, is there any more rabid of a fan base? There's a handful of teams that have like merciless fan bases. And the Bears, you got to understand SNL's de Bears because of how much people love the Bears. That iconic comedy bit where they all talk like weird Chicago guys.

And by the way, no one talks like that. It's iconic because of how much people love the Bears. I will. So my parents are both from Chicago and they've been in Texas for 20 years. They're still watching for the Bears. Are they like screaming? Oh, yeah. I'm sure I'm going to hear about this.

I mean, it's history. too, right? You've got Mike Dicka, you know, the coach next to John Madden is one of the biggest coaches of all time in the game. You got George Hallis and Hallis Hallis Hall. That all goes away now. Hallis Hall goes away. I can't see them going and practicing in Chicago just to go play the season in Indiana. They're going to, they're also going to probably move practice facilities. They do their camps down in Bourbonnet. I don't know if that's going to be a thing anymore. Maybe they don't even do their camps and their training camps in Illinois anymore. Maybe that moves to Indiana. So now you've got all those people going to Indiana to go see the training camps,

which people do. There are a lot of hardcore fans for this team. There are some of the best fans in football. And even though the team has been losing systematically every single year since the day I was born, they have now gotten to a competent level in the NFL after this last incredible season that they had. They pushed almost all the way. We've been dying to see that for a long time. If there's so much of fact, it was Thunderpaw in the, in the Discord chat said, according to AI, Super Bowl's estimated, they're estimated to generate 500 million to one billion in economic activity for the city that hosts it. And you're talking about five to 10 grand a ticket for the nosebleets.

I mean, these guys, if you're coming in and spending that much money to go to a Super Bowl, nine times out of ten, you're not from that city, you're coming in, you're a celebrity, whatever. So yeah, it doesn't matter if you stay in Chicago or in Indiana. You're going to shell out money to stay because you just pay 10 grand for a ticket. I just want to surface level all of this stuff, right? We talk about elections. We've got like the story about California and bouts are being burned, which we're pulling

a second, pull up in a second. But this is the real world normie ramifications of everything we talk about on this show, about loss of culture, tradition, bad policies, over taxation, open borders. One day, you're sitting in your lounge chair with your buddies and you're the kind of guy who says, I don't really care about politics all that much, you know, I just want to hang out my friend. I work hard every day. I respect it. You go to work, you come home, you say, look, man, I trust you guys take care of it. Me, I'm just a working class guy and I'll watch the game. And then one day you come home and you turn the TV on and say, I just want to watch the bears. I want to see them win this time around.

And they go, you don't have the bears anymore. The bears left. They're the Hammond Bears now. And you're sitting there being like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on a minute. And that's what happens when you sit by and you're not paying attention to what's going on the world around you. And I'm not saying that derisively, I'm saying, with respect, I understand how people say, I work hard all day. I don't want to focus on the troubles of the world. It gets me down.

I want to hang out my friends and I want to watch the bears. And then one day you wake up and the bears are gone. I got a taste of in 1990 I don't know what year it was seven the Cleveland Browns I'm in Ohio and they get sold they decide we're going to Baltimore no more Cleveland Browns now they have the Baltimore

Ravens and it's the same exact team with the same players and I realized and it was a bitter pill to swallow the NFL and pretty much all these professional sports leagues are purely about capitalism all they want to do is make money they exist to make money they will go where the money I don't want to hyper politicize

it there may be aspects of weirdness with politics and people not understanding football, but it's a business. They're making money. They're making more money in Hammond. Nobody's saying that nobody's trying to make the argument that the NFL is not looking to make money. Like nobody's making that argument.

We're talking about the move. Yeah, like the Bears did it to make money. Because the people of Chicago don't care enough to make a stink to say no, stay in Chicago. You realize what it would have cost the Illinois taxpayers to build a stadium in Chicago like they wanted to do anywhere in Illinois? know the number.

Pritzker wanted to put it on the back of the taxpayers. We're talking anywhere from just shy of one to two billion dollars that the taxpayers would have had to have shelled out in Illinois in order to build a stadium. Now, there are a lot of people that would say, hell yeah, take my money. I want to keep the bears. Even though that number is outrageous, there are a majority of people in Illinois that are like, okay, to hell with this, screw you, we love the bears, but you can't tax us for this. This is a thing that you guys want.

So that's where the real controversy comes in. And it's a fight between the people of Illinois, the city of Chicago, and the way that the NFL is growing in the modern day age. And it's a battle that unfortunately we have lost, and I don't think there's any way to recover from. So every year, Illinois spends $2.5 billion on refugees, migrants, and the undocumented for support, aid, health care, et cetera. the largest share comes to over $1.6 billion. So in 2024, they spent $1.6 billion for health benefits for non-citizens. You know what? Maybe we could have spent that on one time, one time a stadium for our iconic sports team

for the traditions and culture of the city and for an academic benefit years down the road. Instead, they said, let's spend $2.5 billion on people who don't live here. well it's not like it's one or the other and you can i don't know what you're going to do with all those people i i well there is a budget there's a finite amount of money and my point is when it came time this is exactly what i was saying about springfield and haysian migrants when it came time to vote and pritzker was was posed this question and johnson was posed this question we've got three billion dollars in the budget to spend on the bears want to the migrants want two point five they say give the migrants the money they have more political influence now than the people of the city

in their traditions. That's what I am complaining about. That's why I am mad when we lose these things. That's why I do not like it when they open the borders and bring people in who don't care. Listen, if you want to bring in a finite amount of people, immigrants, into a city and in a controlled manner, and we welcome these newcomers, and it's good for economic activity, all of that, yes. But when you bring in more people than the culture can bear, you lose your history, your traditions. And I will stress this. It's the bears today. It's the Fifth Amendment. tomorrow. We are already seeing court cases where judges are letting criminal illegal immigrants who beat their wives go. We are already seeing instances where judges are saying, screw your rights.

We are already seeing the governor of New York shut churches down, stripping you of your rights. When there is not a moral and strong tradition of a people to defend what is good and pure and makes the country work, you lose it. And I highlight the bears, not because I think sports are the most important thing. I think sports are the most visible thing to the average person to recognize our traditions. But after the bears go, the next thing it's going to go is your First Amendment right, your Second Amendment right? Sooner or later, they're going to put police in your house and your Third Amendment right. It's gone. You're indicating that a lot of the financial hardship of the people of Chicago is because of illegal immigration, which is true. But it's also because of the Federal Reserve

system and Fiat currency. I'm not. I'm making a point highlighting a very specific budget line item that people are pissed off about. In the 2024 election, the second biggest issue was illegal immigration, and they wanted Trump to enforce against it. Illinois is a sanctuary state, and they give $2.5 billion per year for what they call migrant care. Okay, well, if the people are voting against this, they have an option to spend that money on other things than non-citizens. But let me just stress this. Why should I give my money to people who don't live here? If you ask me, Tim, you've got some money. Would you like to spend it on something? You have an option of a pizza restaurant, a Chicago Bears Stadium, or a casino, right? I say, well, these are questions posed to me asking me to spend

money in the city on things that might benefit me. Along comes Pritzker and everybody else, and they say, actually, the weight of electoral policy now gives more political power to people who aren't from here. And they say, we're going to take your money and give it to them instead. Now I'm not even getting to buy anything that I might like. They say, do you want to buy something with your money? the public coffer? Yes, well, too bad. We gave it away to illegal immigrants. That's worse. And think about this. We've seen Prisker do this in Brighton Park, where he opened up an immigrant camp there. This Brighton Park is a largely Latino area. This was an area that was built on immigration. Their people rejected that migrant camp being put into their neighborhood. They pushed it out of that

neighborhood. We are talking about Latin Americans. All right. We saw the African American communities. We don't want them here. We don't want this here. This is our community. These are people that are taxpayers as well. And they don't want this in their neighborhoods more than anybody else does. The Polish people out there is a massive Polish community in Chicago. They don't want it either. We're talking about almost like New York, a city that was built on it by a lot of immigration.

A lot of people that came here became Americans were working their asses off to put this all together. And they're rejecting these camps and these things that are being put in Chicago that they're paying for. I wonder if part of this is also like a lack of interest in sports over the last decade. People are getting insulated into video games and computers and stuff. Well, I mean, I don't know that they're getting insulated into into video games and computers. You watch Chicago sports at all? I haven't watched sports a month. Chicago has some of the most diehard fan bases for all of the point that I was making. That's even still like 17,000 people. Ian, the point that I was making in the very beginning is

because the people that are in Chicago are different, there's less interest in sports, right? Like people are not born. They're not American the way that they, the way they used to be. They're not born here. They don't value the same things. So, yes, there is less interest in sports. But it's not because the, it's not because of video games or anything. It's because the makeup of the population is different. We don't have magic soil in the U.S.

You come to the U.S. You don't automatically start valuing the things that Americans value. Well, I think it could be both because I think, like, I'd rather watch e-sports than soccer. Well, Chicago has a history of dynacies, all right? Take a look to Chicago Bulls, for example. They haven't won a championship since 1998, Michael Jordan era, right? They still have one of the highest fan attendances in the NBA. They have not won in how many years?

Almost 30. Like, we're talking about people that are die hard for these teams, diehard Chicago fans that the last thing they want to see is something like this happened. I know it. I was asked with me in the 80s for Cleveland, dude. The calves were amazing. Brad Doherty. I mean, Mark Price, and then we had the Browns, and then the Browns, Bernie, what's his name,

the quarterback, Ernest Biner fumbles on the one-yard line to the Broncos, they go to the AFC championship, and then it gets taken away from me. Like, I was so hardcore sports, but then I got into video games and like, I just don't care as much about it. Well, see, you're talking about playing sports. This is another point about lost cultural traditions, and I agree the decentralization of, you know, media consumption. Parents did not instill these values with their kids.

dads would sit this is why I said it was amazing that Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey were bringing so much attention to sports. A lot of people were like, oh, it's so annoying that Taylor Swift is at these football games. And I was like, stop. There's a dad sitting in his living room right now watching sports. And his 14-year-old daughter came in and said, can I watch the game with you, dad? And he was like, yeah, absolutely. We want more of that. I think it's a problem that parents didn't tell their kids.

Now, no, you're coming with me. We're going to watch sports. Then we're going to go throw the football outside. That was like the old school, you know, the greatest generation with the boomer. kids. But the boomer parents with the millennials didn't play catch, at least not as much. So here you come, Gen X or Ian. You did not have that I'm going to make this a part of your life and build something. And you're going to hold these traditions. So you drifted from. I did. I played baseball in fifth grade. I played soccer from third grade to fifth grade.

I'm saying, but you gave it up. I just, yeah, I became less interested in it because video games took my attention. It was more interesting. It's more convenient. I can participate without breaking my legs. I tore an MCL playing flag football. I realize like it's just, you either love it or you don't. It's really, it comes down to that. When you love something like a sport, when you love athletics in any capacity, it doesn't matter how old you are, you wish you could still do it. You still try to do it when you can. If you don't love it, you're not going to keep that interest forever. It's going to, it's going to be fleeting. And you're going to move on to something else that you are enjoying. Sports for Chicago is one of those things that we are not going to move on from. It doesn't matter

if there's one sports fan left and we're surrounded in Illinois by immigrants, that one person is still going to be a diehard, loyal Chicago. It's hard not to become obsessed with sports when you're in Chicago. I lived there for three years, 2013, 2010. No, no, 2003 to 6, when Moises Saloo, you know, to catch in Bartman football and the whole run. Do you know why that was such a big deal? That's a perfect example.

The whole Bartman situation, people were pissed. I got to stress this. The Cubs are just like epic losers consistently, but they're beloved more than so many teams. A hundred-plus years without a championship, one of the most die-hard fan bases in the game. I mean, I can't put this any... I think it's because the stadiums are all in the city.

I mean, so you guys are making a great point. Yes. The culture of Chicago is a sports city because you got Wrigley Field. Cross-town Classic just happened, and it's like we're not even there and we're watching it. Yeah, we were out there hanging out, and I couldn't take my attention off the game.

Because I'm like, oh, my God, Cross Town Classic is here. Let's cancel everything that we have to do in Chicago and go to the next three games. A bear. Sox versus. Everybody knows the Cubs. Dub bears. Yeah.

Cheers. The show cheers. Everybody gets it. One of the original teams in the NFL. And it's sad that the Cleveland thing because football was invented right down the street in what, Canton? Well, Kent, Ohio. Yeah. Cleveland Browns fans are also some of the most hardcore fans, even though their team is notoriously in bed.

They got LeBron somehow. Oh, first overall, they got LeBron. And it was like, I don't even want to talk about Lubum. It's not even getting to LaBum. I mean, for a Cleveland fan, that was like, oh, we actually have a hope and a dream now. Like, there's a chance. we might actually win something because for 50 years, we get so close and then fail. I say we, you know, I really felt like I was part of it.

I watched Ernest Beiner fumble on the one-yard line in the AFC championship. As a kid, on my knees in the living room, like the hope drained out of me. I watched my grandmother wait for 90 years for the Cubs to win, and she died before they were able to see it. And I got to watch them win in 2016. It was one of the most amazing things ever. I got to watch the entire Bulls dynasty, all six championships, even though I was too little to know what I had. My dad was a patriot. I would not trade it for the world.

We had one of the best sports upbringings in the country, in my opinion. My dad was a Patriots fan, and he died right before Tom Brady. Yeah, and it's brutal. It's heart-wrenching, and you're watching that game knowing that they're there with you somewhere, you know, in some capacity. I wish you could be here to see this, but you can feel them there, and you know that that is a major, major special event in your life watching that go down. my concern about sports and watching sports. I like playing them is bread and circus. It was a big part of the Roman Empire

as they just pacify their citizens with bread and circus. They'd give them the circus. Sports kind of feels like the circus and they want people like drunk. What do you think video games are? Well, at least it's interactive. No, no, no. You can still sit there and get drunk and stone

while you're staring at the TV. It's the exact same thing. You can watch. It is the exact same thing. When I watch e-sport, I'm actually learning and then I play the game and I'm better at the game because I watch the pros. It's the exact same thing. Watching football on TV is not the same.

Enterting. Enterred. The point of bread and circus was give people entertainment and give them food. Video games are entertainment, just like sports are entertaining. Interactive. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

That's not true anymore at all. Watching football is not interactive compared to playing an e-sport. But I'm saying you can watch an e-sport train on it by watching it and then play it and you're better at it. What do you think Michael Jordan did? Probably all he did was train. Famously, he would watch videos and watch himself.

Mike Tyson would watch endless hundreds of hours of box. And right now with sports, you've got fantasy leagues where people are watching and they're tracking scores and they're playing games with each other. If you're going to be an athlete, you definitely watch sports. But if you're not going to be an athlete, it's sort of like it's absolutely. It's a part of, like they were mentioning, it is part of a community identity. That's absolutely true. I mean, if you're anywhere in the Midwest, you already know what.

teams you're rooting for based on what your family was part of. That's just the way that it is. My dad's side of the family is from Green Bay Wisconsin, and by birth, I have been a Green Bay fan ever since. It's embedded in your DNA. It's basically, yeah, it's something you've been socialized with. But I mean, everything that this discussion has been over, as entertaining as it has been, to tie, like, replacement migration with a lot of the Chicago Bears. Your point originally, Ian, I think is still one of the more important things to look at here is that the Chicago Bears, the board, and that entity corporately took advantage of the leverage that they could use from the taxpayers from Hammond and Chicago,

and the shitty of Chicago and the alderman and the state house therein did not make the appropriate choice to keep it. I like how you frame it, the shitty of Chicago. My bad, yeah. No, no, I agree. I've been there once, but nevertheless, I've really enjoyed my time

when I was there. After this is just wonderful. I mean, it's an embarrassment, I think. What's Soldier Field going to do now? What is that going to be? It's going to be a flea market. It's going to be a flea market. It's going to be like a bunch of, like,

migrate shops and it's going to turn into a super mall, yeah. It's one of those things where I thought they were going to put the fire there, but now the Chicago Fire are apparently also looking for a stadium or something from what I heard in the Great Find, so I don't even think they're doing that. The Chicago Fire were always in the suburbs anyways. Well, they built Toyota Park in our old neighborhood for them, and then they moved and they started playing a Soldier Field anyway. And now they're like concerts and stuff at Toyota.

I mean, that was like Burbank, though, was it? Yeah, yeah, it was right where we used to skate that old truck stop across Harlem Bridge over by Argo. Yeah, that was always the suburbs. Yep. So we always kind of just looked at them weird, you know what I mean? Who's the fire? What team is that? They're our MLS soccer team.

Yeah, they might put another team at Soldier Field. Sometimes they'll do that. They'll move one. Well, they do all kinds of stuff there. They'll let high school teams come play there, you know. It really does depend. Like, either they'll have a high school team or some of the larger school districts might use it. But, I mean, most of the time, even in smaller cities, the older stadium is usually

demolished or it's repurposed into something completely divorced from what sports were in the first place. I mean, earlier in like the 2010s, the city of El Paso, they decided to build a new baseball stadium. I think it was like for AAA ball. They finally have the El Paso. Chihuahuas, which was a very fitting name for what them to name. But the old stadium that they had, closer to the northeast side, had been completely demolished.

It has not been used for anything therein. And now the former parking lot that's used for is now for, like, you know, a county fair or something like that or whatever rolls into town every now and then. Yeah, it's a major loss of tax revenue. It's a huge blow to the identity of the city of Chicago. But your original point still does stand. They're using the leverage of what kind of benefits they can get off tax write-offs and subsidies. and it's a failure, I think, on Chicago's part

to maintain one of the most important things to the city's identity outside of the things that really matter with regards to its history, its architecture, the people that built that city, and so now that they're going to lose that one thing. And, you know, the NFL has appreciated and generated millions of eyes on it. The Super Bowl is basically the largest American,

it's like the height of our liturgical calendar for the United States. So everyone tunes in. So Hammond offered zero taxes for 40 years, $1 billion in funding from Indiana for the stadium and $700 million towards Indiana infrastructure. Arlington offered $500 to $200 million annual tax bill. Nothing for the stadium and nothing for infrastructure costs. That's insane. So for two generations, no taxes.

That is insane. But the sad part about this is that, I like Indiana, I get it. Indiana was smart. They said, wow, we can have the bears. Soldier Field has been around for 102 years. Oh, it's ancient. Yes. It was one of the first stadiums built in the NFL.

That's crazy. It has been around for 102 years, didn't then? Now, they did do a revamp project on it where they basically landed a spaceship in the middle of the damn thing. We saw that going on and we were down there skating. It was crazy to watch that. It allowed for more people to come in and be in attendance for the games. Now it's not good enough anymore because of the tax spread. And unfortunately, we are going to lose a very, very big piece of history if they do anything to that stadium.

Let's just talk about like the bigger picture, I guess, and everything because, you know, Ian, you're mentioning you lost your team. And I feel for you too. There's a reason why I left Chicago. It's deeply corrupt 120 years now of what uniparty rule from the Democrats, Republicans can never win anything. And it's one big mafia system. You know that no matter what happens, the government's not going to do what you want to do. They're going to do whatever they want to do. They're going to extract money for their own for their own benefit. It's just, It becomes impossible to live in these corrupt places. And what I will say is the reason why it becomes corrupt, the reason why you get one-party rule with no accountability, is that the community becomes fractured. It becomes very large. And then you have a bunch of different neighborhoods that don't completely see eye-to-eye. And then you get someone who says,

I will lie to as many people as possible to get institutional power and cater nothing to the people. Do you think if we could allocate our taxes individually, like all of us, like on an app, to whatever we wanted, that the localities, the cities, do better or the centralization of tax purpose? No, that's an interesting idea. And I think I don't know that it would be correct, but I'm interested to try because I can

guarantee you this. A lot of people in Chicago would be like, I'll put all my tax dollars towards the bears. And the bears would have the money. And I guarantee you, the people of Chicago can outspend the people of Hammond, Indiana, and Indiana as a state. I don't even live there anymore. And I would pay money to keep him there. I feel like we're not far off from the ability of a piece of technology like,

They'll never let you do that, though, because they want to buy bombs and guns. And like, it's risky to give the people the power. You know, they've kind of, since the Civil War, figured out how to centralize power in the United States. I don't know. It's kind of like ask for forgiveness rather than permission, like make the app and just start doing it. And just start, but I don't know you might get into trouble with the law. Like, hey, you can't decide where your taxes are going.

That's my job. Usually the government is going to be deciding where. They'll put a stop to that real quick. And anyways, your taxes are just going to pay down the debt. So, Ben, Ben. To inflation. Ben Devine, who covers Chicago NFL. Actually, what is his, what is this?

He's like, most plugged in Chicago Bears analyst. He says, it's the best stadium deal ever offered, like in the history of the NFL. 40 years, no taxes and a billion dollars. It's an impossible deal to turn down. Man. Especially when you have nothing coming back from the other side on the counter. Now imagine this. Why is the people of Indiana are willing to foot the bill for that?

I don't know. Because Indiana is a red state. Do they have another team, too? Do they have another team? In what? I think Indiana. They have the Indiana fever. They have Caitlin Clark.

For them, they're going all in. They're like, The Indians in baseball? Yeah, well, Cleveland has the Indians. Yeah, I mean, they're not without teams, obviously. They still have the Cavs and everything like that. But, you know, and they have the Browns. They lost the Browns for about a decade, and then they became the Ravens.

And then because they changed their name, they were able to get the Browns again. It was a completely new team with a new admin 15 years later, 12 years later. It was, bro, Illinois shut this down. I mean, I'm just reading Ben's analysis of this.

They've been trying, the bears want to stay in the Chicago land. They want to stay in Illinois. So they tried to go to Arlington. When the city would not accommodate them, they said, we can go to the suburbs.

And the state would not accommodate them. Indiana said, we're all at the red carpet for you. So they said, okay, I guess we're out. I don't necessarily blame the bears a little bit. But I look at it like,

bro, if you've got a roomful of people screaming at you, get the F out. At a certain point, you're like, okay, I'm leaving, I guess. You know? I just don't know if Virginia would have let this happen. I like George, but I don't know if he's making the right call here,

if this is something old lady McCasky would have wanted. But I can't speak to that because I never actually knew her. I just know that I think she was Chicago at heart, and I don't think she would have wanted to see this. That's the old owner? Yeah. She was the owner for a long time. Got handed over to George and she passed away a few years ago.

Real quick, the bears had been trying to build for five years in Arlington Heights, and they were getting blocked. So it's not even a question of like they weren't offering the same incentives. They tried. Man. They tried as much as they could to stay. So anyway, this is a perfect example of why replacement migration is dangerous to the American people. I'm only half joking when I say it like that.

It's exactly what I explained a year ago, or was it two years ago we're talking about Ohio. I said when Biden brings in 5,000 Haitian migrants and puts them in a small town, they will outvote that small town spending. and their cultural alignment. They will vote against it. And then you'll be staring. You know, it's like, you know the movie Up? What a great example.

This old man has a house and it's in a beautiful field. One by one, the land is being bought up by big corporations to build big skyscrapers and he refuses to sell until eventually the government forces him. So instead of handing over the deed, he launches a bunch of balloons and flies away, which still he lost his land. But at least he escaped his house.

My grandma, her house, that my dad grew up in that we spent, our childhood and was right across the street from like city hall. And in 2005 or something, they wanted to buy her house and evict her. And she's like, when I'm dead, you can have it, which is probably stupid of her. So they end up giving her like 60 grand for the house or some stupid amount of money. But it would have been nice to see her make a stand and be like, I'm not, I will never sell. Well, what was that guy that was getting harassed about his house that blew up his house

with himself in it? That was one of the call of the people in the Discord here. Yeah. That's a pretty extreme example right there of you're not getting my shit. like I don't care I'll take it with me yeah that's that's a bad thing though

sure but I mean it's a pretty hard it's a pretty hard course stance I'm not saying hey I approve it he really was trying really hard to get some kind of help like he was calling it here he had a website he was he was really trying hard

and it's really sad that he ended up you know the city demolished have they scheduled a riot I don't know I mean you're gonna have to you're gonna have to check I'm sure something's gonna happen I'm waiting on the to be fair like when the when the socks

won the World Series back in what was like 06? 26. Was it 06? Was it 20? I think it was 06. Was he on the team? I think it was 06. I don't think it was 2010.

I'll look it up. Yeah, look it up. I just remember it was nuts. Like on Archer, like near Archer and Halstead, some dude, like there are people in the street just jumping up and down and screaming. And then some dude. 2005. Some dude was just speeding down the road towards the people, but the people refused to move because they were just screaming. So then the car swerved and crashed into a pole.

and the guy jumped out and started screaming and cheering with them. It was just like the utmost of retardation. I got to point out because I said that like being a sports fan was kind of like the circus. You go and you just stare at a wall. But really, if you're a sports fan and you're at the game and you're screaming, the players can hear you and it changes their psychology and it changes the way they play, which is why there is such thing as home field advantage. I was at a baseball game once and the guy hit the ball and I went, yeah, like really loud.

And the guy in the field like froze and the ball went by him. And I was like, oh, I have power as a fan. And Seattle, they call that the Twinsons. I have watched The Simpsons. You know what I'm talking about, right, Phil? No, I know. Daryl. So Daryl Strawberry is in the field.

And Bart's yelling, Daryl. And Barth is like, stop, stop, you're being mean. And then he's like, oh, come on, mom. These players are hard into this. And Lisa's like, yeah, they have nerves of steel. And then Daryl Strawberry, he starts crying and he wipes a tear away. So in addition to screaming that they can hear, I believe that we have collective consciousness.

that people can feel your thoughts, that there's a low frequency that's impacting reality. When I was watching the Cavs lose three to one game, three to one against the Golden State Warriors in the championship, I made a video to LeBron James to wake up. It's on YouTube, if you look at Ian Cross and LeBron James, where I yelled to wake up at him through the video.

And it echoes in the room when I said, Jesus. For some reason, I said, Jesus. And there was this reverberation in the room. And then they came back in one four games in a row. So there is something. That proves it. And I would watch the games religiously. I focused on the entire field.

Did they win that series? Yeah. They came back in three games. Remember that commercial in Chicago? I was like, the guy says if you eat the hot dog with mustard, they'll win. But if someone puts ketchup on it, they'll lose. Yeah. I can't remember what the commercial was.

But yeah, what Ian's talking about, we call sports superstition. Yeah, but I think it's some of it's cool because the joke was some guy would take a hot dog and get the ketchup. They go, stop! If you put ketchup on that hot dog, they're going to lose the game. Well, maybe. But I think it's your thoughts because your voice is high frequency. your thoughts are lower frequency, but it's still a frequency. I agree.

I can say that. It's superstition. It feels like no. Everyone's got their tradition or talisman for making sure that their favorite team wins. But, you know, when you mentioned, like, they've been trying to build for five years. I mean, I think people really don't realize how much power people have by working with various groups to stop things from happening. I mean, think about all the oil pipelines that have been protested for numerous years, or even things that you want to build in your local town. Environmental review or investigating for archaeology, these are.

are the number one ways that you can stop the development for anything. And the left is the master of this. For instance, if you want to build in the state of Oklahoma, you have to not only go through the usual process for environmental review per, I think it's like the National Environmental Policy Act of 67, but on top of that, you also have to go through

the Oklahoma Archaeological Society. And if they find an archaeologist that has a tribal background, good luck ever through getting that built, because they're going to immediately assume that, okay, we have something here that's for the tribe, and then your project's not going to move forward. The same thing happens with what's happening in Arlington Heights.

It's the same thing that we see across the country, that they're going to be leftist groups, NGOs, environmental activists that are either on the dole or get paid off by somebody else. And they're going to stop any kind of construction for what you want as a citizen from happening. This is what happened to us in in Marnsburg with the coffee shop and why we were years just jammed up because they have a historical society, which no matter what you do, they'll spin it around and make it impossible to do anything. And so let's just say we worked out a solution. The shop should be opening very, very soon. But the remarkable thing is how long it's taken up to this point, even with a lot of the work being done. So I'll give you an example. First floor of the building. It's just the first floor.

It's a building like any other building. There's a side entrance that goes upstairs. Right now, Mamba Collectibles is operating. I recommend you guys go there for all your sports collectible needs and trading card games, Pokemon, Magic, E, et cetera, on the third floor. You go on the side door, there's stairs. Second floor is collectibles. third floor is a collectible trading cards card stuff.

When we were trying to build the coffee shop, they said, because there's a door on the first floor, an exit that opens up to where the stairs are, first, second and third floor count as one unit, and you have to build wheelchair access for the second and third floors. And we were like, hey, okay, we got an elevator in the building. And they said, okay, well, that's an historic elevator. In fact, it's one of the, in our building, we have one of the first elevators, if not the first elevator ever built in the country. It's not the craziest thing in the world to say because we're on the East Coast, so there's population density here. So it's an old elevator from the early, like, turn of the century, 18 to 1900s.

So they said, it's got to be put up to code for modern elevator uses or whatever. Well, the historical society says absolutely not. This is a historic elevator. You can't do that. So then our argument was, but we don't use the same. second floor for business. The first floor is the coffee shop. Nope, doesn't matter. So they forced us to connect a non-business portion to the, like non-open to the public simply by some fake metric they made up. Well, you know, because the door is there, and that was one of the things

that jammed us up for like a year and a half. In order to get the approval, okay, so we're going to put in a wheelchair like machine where it goes like and bring to the stairs because you can't use the elevator, right? Then they said, oh, you know, but the building itself. So you're have to meet with the Historical Society and they only meet once a month. So you go, you meet them once a month and you say, here's the plan and they go, you know what? This is a little too big. Why don't you reduce it? We'll see you next month. You come back next month and say, I did what you asked. Oh, you know what? We changed our mind. You should go back to the original design. Redesign and come back in a month. And that's what they kept doing to us. Is this like, it's all

fake. Hyper bureaucracy. I don't recall it. But is this why in Malibu, they're having a hard time rebuilding? You mean palisades? Yeah. Well, probably Malibu too. Oh, yes. And Maui as well. The government creates fake reasons why you can't rebuild your homes. They kick your can down the road as long as they possibly can. And I mean, imagine being the Bears in this situation, you've spent the last five years trying to buy another house in the city that you love, and you are being blocked from purchasing this house for five years between the state and the city

because they don't want you there. They actually don't want you there. It's really what it comes down to. Otherwise, why would they have made such problems through litigation and everything like that? Why would there be such pushback for so long if they really, wanted this team to stay there. That's the question. Is it that they, like, from, in your opinion, I guess Matt, is it like that the historical society in Oklahoma, you were saying the archaeological societies and things, that they truly just want people not to build, or is

it that they're deeply concerned about it? I mean, it's both and it's really going to depend on who you meet, but I mean, when I, for some of the stuff that I've worked on in the past, you know, I was always told like, if you're going to find an archaeologist for whatever project that this town, say the town wants to build a community center where they want to renovate their fireplace, it's like, oh, hey, according to like your town plans, you've got, you know, an old cemetery that's maybe like 200 feet from the location, you know, because of the regulations that are in place, you have to contact the archaeological society, in part because there's funding that's coming from state or federal sources. And from there, I was always told,

like, if you're going to get an archaeologist to go look at this, make sure they don't have tribal affiliation, because there's a good chance it might get clogged up because of either ulterior motives or interest, because, I mean, this is a very state-specific example, but, I mean, you also have to work with the various tribes, and they have their own intergovernmental agencies. They also give out grants. They compete with the state. in the federal government. But I mean, it's the same thing that's going to apply with almost any state or any federally funded project or anything that's going to use the taxpayer dollar. They're going to have to coordinate with, you know, their historical society. Is there

a heritage foundation, perhaps, in Arlington Heights, that wants to go against this specific thing. I mean, this is why there's a whole lot of tools that, you know, the whole not in my backyardism, NIMBYism takes place. But I mean, it's also a very effective tool if you are an activist trying to stop something getting built, whether it's a pipeline or a stadium. take it all for granted. And I think that's the struggle is that throughout history, I think that one of the histories of the United States, if you watch everything, is how much was taken for granted by the incoming generations. The assumption that what was here was always going to be here and was just for us. And I think when you look at how things have gotten to this point, what with us giving

away our manufacturing base is another really great example. It's because people just assumed that it will always be this way. And as things slowly eroded, they said, well, certainly it won't keep getting worse. And it just keeps getting worse until someone stands up and changes it. You mentioned in 2019 when we were hanging out when we were on the East Coast at that theater,

we went to lunch Monday and you're like, we should build a city. And I was like, it just seemed impossible in my mind. I was like, how? That seems because I was in that state of mind, like, it's always new cities don't make sense. Right, cities have always been. But I think we should build a new city.

I just don't know what it would take. I don't know, I mean, it's seven years later. It just takes a starting point. We tried. And I put a good amount of energy into it. I had been going to prominent individuals asking them to invest in the Martinsburg strip when we were building the coffee shop saying all of these businesses are going out, they're going out of business.

The cities is in distress. And there's an economic opportunity. We could create an anti-time square in Martinsburg, West Virginia by having, you know, like cousin teas, diner, Papa Jack's Pizza Shack. And I talked to Square about it and said, you could probably put up a square convenience store where you have a bunch of products from all the customer, like all of your, all of your companies that are listed on Square. And I was advocating this, asking people to get involved.

Some people did move to the neighborhood. And they mentioned like, hey, we're moving here. We love it. West Virginia is great. Nobody of their own volition would do it. We were the only ones. And I know people might say, well, Tim, you have to be the leader. And maybe that's the case.

But I'll say this. When I make the pitch, let us come together as a community and build something. That can't happen unless people choose to do it. And I have the story I talked about with Chicago when I was a teenager. There was these guys that had a like a small warehouse that was probably like a thousand square feet. And they built a mini ramp in it, skateboard ramp. They each spent a hundred bucks a month to pay the rent. And sometimes they would let us come and skate it.

But it's like if someone has a key and they can open the door, you're allowed to come in and hang out. But I wasn't one of those key holders. So I went to my friends and guys, why don't we do this? Why don't we all put money down so that we can build our own? And what did everybody say? let me know when you do and then I'll think about it. And I'm like, yeah, well, we can't build something else. We come together to build something.

So it never happened. But other people had their own. So with this anti-time square, I said, think about the businesses that exist on square. You've got all of these pro-America, pro-family values, pro-free speech, pro-constitution, all of these things, all these businesses. And they all put their money where their mouth is. So I went to a bunch of prominent individuals who had either the means, the connections, or otherwise. and they all just said, eh, well, you do it, and let me know what happens.

So we've been working on setting up this coffee shop, and nobody wanted, nobody would do it. Because, like, building a city, I guess, historically, a lot of it sparks up around a business, like a company or an industry. That's what Musk did with Starbase. Starbase. So you need something that was employing enough people

that it would justify a thousand people moving to an area. That's the natural phenomenon of a city, right? So there's a bunch of farms, and then a guy sets up a marketplace because he knows the farmers need spare parts and tools periodically. And he also knows that the farmers will actually drop off their goods at the market. And so if you're a farmer that's handling grains or whatever, but you want milk, instead of having to drive to the other farm and trade, the market guy right there in the middle.

But then someone says, people keep coming by this market and buying stuff. I'm going to set up a blacksmith shop right next door because then they can pick up tools for me while they're at the market. One by one businesses pop up. Then someone says, you need a hotel here for when people are traveling. you need a saloon for people to hang out, and now you've got your town center and it grows. Then residential areas start popping up around it because people need to live and work in the same area. That's the natural way to do it.

I think it's fair to say we could choose to just do it, right? If people said, I'm going to go to Marnsburg, West Virginia, and I'm going to rent out this to our front start of business. We could do it. I think the challenge is the right is not motivated the way the left is. The left does this kind of stuff. I mean, they'll show up with hammers and baseball bats and maltuff cocktails. and threaten the locals into doing what they want to do. They will build these things.

The right won't. It's a comfortable environment. I understand why people aren't spurred to do it because you're making a lot of money on the internet. You can live wherever you want for the most part. There's even knowing that like the antidote to communism is community and building a strong community, it's still like...

It sounds funny, right? The antidote to communism is community. And that's astute, Ian, because communism works when the community is fragmented. and incapable of rising up to stop the tyranny. So communism thrives off of shattering local communities and decentralizing everybody, making sure they can't organize.

Well, it goes back to what you said about taking things for granted. I mean, the average American has no idea who their city council rep is, let alone their county commissioner, which you should know, because if you want to know where the budget for your respective town or county gets allocated at, it's at those meetings.

These are all public. These all have names and addresses, and the average person really doesn't care. I mean, like, where my father lives, you know, he was complaining that around the corner where he's on the corner of the street, and he's like, man, there's a lot of overhanging branches and trees because I don't know who to talk to you about this. And like, do you even know who your county commissioner is to call? Because they're the ones that fund and take care of how the roads are. And he's like, well, no. And I said, well, here's this number.

And, I mean, it really just takes the basic forms of civic engagement. And the average American is so politically illiterate. I mean, yes, a lot of important things happen in Washington, whether it's the federal budget, National Defense Authorization Act, whatever you may have. But a lot of your problems do happen either in your respective state house or more importantly at your city council and your county commissioners meeting. There's another phenomenon, like the renters, life. style how convenient it is like Spotify for instance. I can move anywhere and live in any house

anywhere and still work on the internet. Like I don't need to settle down and plant roots anywhere because it's so convenient to rent. I've been even my business friends are like don't buy rent right now rent. And it's like where's the community? You know, if I'm just looking out the door all the time, like where my next step of the journey is going to be, how can I ever settle down and build it? Or why would I ever settle down and build a community except that I know it's the right thing to do, but like it's not the convenient thing to do. And that's, I think, a major factor in what's contributed to the death of small town America. To your point, like, there's not enough of the right people involved in keeping these kinds of things going to Phil's point. People don't

care about, you know, what's the word I'm looking for, extending or passing down, you know, that Americana to the next generation anymore. They just don't care is what it's come, is what has come to. So this, the causality of this is that the small towns of America are dying. Mandatory baseball. Oh, I love that. I jokingly said Trump should send to the military to stop this from happening, but I'm like half joking. If Donald Trump was like, we're going to be sending in federal authorities to oversee this and make sure the Bears stay, I'd be like, well, okay, I guess.

National Guard is that soldier field right now? They have Navy and Army. Forcing the Bears to stay and play. They're not allowed to leave. They don't have an NFL team. Navy and Army have college teams where they don't have an NFL team. That'd be interesting. Probably not a good idea if the government made an NFL team.

When I run for president, I'm going to campaign on. It'll be mandatory. for all public schools to attend at least two baseball games per year as a field trip. And baseball will be gym class. So you don't just have the stupid gym class where the kids go outside and they're like,

okay, we're going to play fourth square and dodgeball. No, you'll play baseball. What about softball? Because I didn't like getting hit by those idiot pitchers. Softball, well, big softball, right? Some of those pitchers were like such amateurs and they would throw so hard at me. I would say, I'm, I would say,

I'm actually fine with going T-ball, softball, baseball. Like, you know, a little five-year-old kids. Not going to... Kickball is pretty fun. We had Little League back in the day. I used to play at Kelly. Mandatory Little League. Yep.

It was one of the greatest experiences of my life being involved in sports. Mandatory. Mandatory, we throw the football after the show for like five minutes. I mean, it just goes back to what you're asking. We've been throwing the football here. It's fun. About community. Because, again, you can have everyone in there,

but if not everyone's going to speak the same language, not everyone's going to trust one another, you can't really have these things. Mandatory English. Also, mandatory throwing... Just a mandatory immigration moratorium. There you go. Now you're talking. American pie and baseball. That's right.

Mortarium for at least 10 years. It's mandatory that every school bake apple pie at least four times a year. Once a quarter is an apple pie bakeoff and all the kids have apple pie. And baseball is mandatory. Sorry football. I love your football, but football is optional. Baseball is mandatory. But gluten is optional also for the apple pie.

Gluten free is, would be fine. Well, it's a bake-off. They choose. Yeah, okay, that's even better. Yeah, so you could do like an almond crust. Those are pretty good when done right. Throwing. Like, you can track back the human evolution to when our brain matter just skyrocketed

in intelligence when we learned how to throw because we learned how to kill with rocks. And, like, it fixes your brain throwing. I love how you went from the softball to this in like 10 seconds. All of human warfare has just been figuring out how to throw rocks better. First, we literally threw a rock. Rocks that explode. Then we put a rock in a little sack with a string and flung it around and threw the rock. Then it was...

Then we sharpened the rock and put it on the end of a piece of wood and used stored energy from another piece of wood to fling that rock at high speeds. Today, we've taken core components of the densest piece of rock, loaded a bunch of other rocks behind it to fire it at high velocities and cause your brain to explode. Also, you've got rocks that explode into a bunch of other rocks that explode on impact. It's all just throwing rocks. Did you guys know that I think it was World War one or two? They designed hand grenades to be like baseballs. Yeah. Because every single young man learned how to throw it.

a baseball? Yep. So they were like, make it a baseball, they'll throw curves, man. That is why they were originally rounded and not like

egg shaped is because they fit the model of in American baseball. And everyone was good at throwing baseball. So how could you be bad at throwing? Now football bombs. Not football bombs. No, they should throw me. I think they would do more.

Modern ones are spheres now too as well. They don't use the pineapple style anymore. A pitcher hat on. The modern grandeurs are spheres? Yep. Really? Yeah, they don't use the pineapple style anymore. Yeah, why not?

The pineapple style was intention to create to create shrapnel. Yeah, well, they're all intended. The modern ones have those same kind of scoring on the inside, so that way they're pieces, but it's a smooth ball. Like wind, less wind resistance, maybe? Yeah, well, mostly to just make sure that there are a bunch of pieces that go so it doesn't block. My name is Muntchop says no soccer.

Agreed. Soccer is banned. Socer was pretty fun. Third world game. We went back to Illinois for like the fourth. What was it last year? Or the year before. And our baseball fields have soccer goals in them. What do you guys think about renaming it football?

and then changing football into like kick handball. We don't have to be named football. No, no, no, he's got a good point. We should force everyone in the world to change the name of soccer, of football to something else, and around the world, football will be American football. Good luck, change the name. For everyone else in the world.

By force. We'll be a better name for football than football. We don't need to change it. You throw it. Handball, but handball is already a game. No, no, no. Football is football. Throw ball.

Soccer. around the world should be renamed soccer. Oh, good luck. That's from, what is it? You know where the term soccer comes from? It's like social. Do you know where the term soccer? It was coined to insult people who play a dumb game. No, I meant like the society. Soccer's okay. I'm Googling this now.

Soccer is fine. Term soccer. The 19th century England is a shorthand form of association football. It derives from the Oxford er slang trend where students at universities like Oxford and Cambridge added er to the end of words. Association became a soccer, which was later shortened to soccer. They had football and association football.

So they turned association football in soccer. You didn't know, no, because football. Oxford and Cambridge were involved in this? Yeah. It's amazing that they want to stab people for saying the word soccer over there when Oxford and Cambridge were involved in inventing this word. That's just a lot of it.

I think it was to delineate between the two versions of soccer like original football that they had and one was association football which maybe like the pro version. No, no cricket. You get caught playing cricket, that's a paddling. With the paddle. With the cricket ball. Cricket battle itself. I think football is my favorite sport. I think it'll just stay in American football?

It'll be fine. Not soccer? No, soccer was too exhausting to play. It was a lot of running. I like baseball. Buzball? No, baseball. Baseball is fun to watch. Yeah, baseball. Like, when we go to like a baseball game? We went, when do we go? We went to go see the White Sox and the Nats the end of the last season. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was so much fun to watch. I like it because it's not high contact and it's a lot of burst

athleticsism, like chilling out, relaxing, and then burst football's okay. But it's not the same. Baseball's way better. Baseball is like tactics, you know? And football does have that too. They all have their own special allure. I think hockey has its own thing too. If you go to a hockey game, it's a way different environment, but there's still that, that electricity around the arena, watching your team play, watching your team make a huge play, you know, scoring a goal. Hockey is just Canadian ice soccer.

The cool thing about, like, football and, hockey and to some extent basketball, they're more they more rely on the team working together, whereas with baseball, it's really about the pitcher and the hitter. Yeah, one guy can change the whole game. Yeah, you know, it's about two guys

going. The tension at the pitch is the best part of baseball. Are you guys glad they're getting rid of umpires or they seem to rely more on computers? Oh, thank God, man. I'm with you. The umpire making a bad call, like, completely ruined the sport in my opinion. It's rigged, dude. When, it's, yeah, just get the robots in there.

I have to say, I wasn't sure about the pitch clock thing at first, but that has actually turned out to help the game kind of flow better. Usually, you know, pitchers used to be able to go for a sandwich in between pitches because they could literally stand there for 20 minutes and there was nothing stopping them, you know, or they could step off the plate. Okay, cool, we have to wait another five minutes, you know? But I'm just sick of watching bad calls. Like when we went to that Sox and Nets game,

they were a handful of bad calls and we were just like, what? What are we saying? They're actually getting rid of the umpire? Well, they're relying more machines. Yeah, AI. They're going to have AI start doing it. So the first job lost AI is an umpire. Hopefully.

I don't know about that person. You were saying, Brandon, when we were in Vegas at the games, at the enhanced games, you were saying that football, like the kickoffs are changed? Like it's kind of, they're kind of neutering football. They have, there's a lot of changes that have been implemented in the last like 10 years, specifically when it comes to a lot of these things, kickoff returns and whatever. And there's always the question of, you know, okay, are we making our players as safe as possible during all of these contact situations now? you've got a guy running 25 miles an hour full speed across the field to a guy who's standing still looking upward at the ball. And the second he catches the ball, he's in play to be hit. So that guy, if he times it right, can hit him at 25 miles an hour while he's not even paying attention and basically end his career.

So they started this thing where, okay, now you've got to kick the ball from here. No one's allowed to move until the ball lands in the receiver's hands. Then you guys can move. This gives this guy time to kind of see what's coming. He doesn't get hit like by a truck, you know, of a human being. and coming at him 25 miles an hour. So it's a lot to do with player safety. The whole CTD thing, which they think is a myth,

but I don't think it is. What's CTD? That's brain injuries from concussions and things like that. A lot of wrestlers have had it. A lot of football players have had it. It's just from getting smacked in the head too many times over a course of your... So you think it's a good thing that they're changing the sport? Some of this stuff, yeah.

It is for the health of the players while we're not used to it. And we've been seeing, you know, a lot of... It used to just be gridiron war, you know, football. Like George Carlin said, football is play. on a gridiron, you know? Like baseball, we have to go inside when it rains. You know, it's one of those situations. Football is one of the most hardcore things you could watch.

So when you start seeing changes made like that about player safety, the more hardcore fans are going to be like, that shit's stupid, take his head off, you know? Is it because people are getting bigger and faster and stronger? Well, this is our modern day gladiators, right? Like, this is back in Rome, you would go see people cut each other's heads off. That's the, it was, you know, barbarian stuff. Like, this is as close as we get to that. So the animal in us still wants to see someone get their head torn off, even if like, oh, man, that's so, I feel so bad for his family.

Everyone's still going to be like, oh, shit, did you see that hit? Like, that's what we want. Yeah, I would struggle with that, watching a guy laid out on the field, especially if he's on the other team. No, and they don't glorify that anymore. They used to, you know, leave the camera hovering on the guy that's dead on the field. You know, they don't do that anymore. Now it's like, okay, we're going to take this off of here. There's respect for these players, and I do think that that's a very serious thing, and it does need to be honored.

And I do agree with a lot of these policies that are being put in place to keep these guys. because I've watched, I've watched Bears players, great players, Johnny Knox, career-ending injury, getting hit too bad. He's one of the best wide receivers in the NFL that we had. Dude, done. Never plays again. We had a tight end. His name is spacing me right now, but his leg literally folded up in half when you went

to the end zone. Rough. Never played again. The reconstructive surgery this guy needed was insane. He was one of the greatest tight ends we had. it's sad to watch a career come to an end over something like that. So I do support a lot of the things that are going into play. It's just a lot of people are not used to it at first.

And it comes with a lot of hot, you know, sighs and booze and hisses. But eventually. A lot of hot takes. Yeah. Yeah. But it's necessary. What do you guys think about enhanced sports in general, like regarding the enhanced games? We went to Vegas a couple weeks ago.

Brandon, me too. I think it's great if people want to do it. I think the challenge at the enhanced games is that a lot of aged out athletes trying to maintain. Yeah. They would have broken more world records if they were young people willing to juice up. But why would a young person juice up at their prime when they can actually win big records? I got to say the one thing. It was best when people were juicing and smashing.

Oh, Mark McGuire, dude. Yeah, the era of Barry Bonds. They were just everybody loves to watch. Jamie Sosa with the cork in the bat. Smash home runs all day long. That's the thing that people love baseball. Bingers. So.

Was it just that it was unfair? Because most players didn't because they thought they weren't supposed to? I don't know. I don't think most players did. Players didn't. I guess the argument is if some start, everyone would have to be competitive, and then it gets real messed up. Well, look at the guy that, there was the one guy that won there that wasn't on performance enhancing drugs that won an event. Yes.

He went there. Two people, actually. Was there two people that one? Yeah, it was a woman and a guy. That shit. I'm like, you went to the enhanced games knowing you are going against people. But they let them in on purpose, because that's the point to see if they could do it. See if they could do it.

So it's cool that they can still represent. It's an experiment. And they were doing more than drugs. They were like, it was their regiments were enhanced to kind of got a. Adderall. Really? Yeah. Adderall, medaphanil.

You know what that does? No. You don't need sleep. Really? Yeah. Oh, that's intense. Human growth hormone, testosterone. But these guys were older.

You know what I mean? They're like in their late 20s, early 30s, where it's like, okay, your career is winding down in athletics. First, they're going to get a robot that's a bat boy, and then they're going to let him hit, and then they're going to let him pitch, and they're going to be like, we don't need human pitchers anymore. The robot can throw exactly. And then we're living in Futurama, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

What happens when you've got a dude with one arm and he's got a cybernetic, like full functioning arm? And they're like, whoa, that's cheating. You can't. Remember, Pistorius, before you got accused, did he get convicted of murdering his girlfriend or whatever? Yes. Well, before he did that, he was running on those spring feet. And they argued to give him an advantage because it was a mechanical enhancement. He argued he has to use substantially more power and specific muscles to move because runners have, with the lower muscle groups,

disperse the energy in their leg more evenly. But there was a big dispute over whether or not those fake legs would give him spring and make him go faster. Look at Antonio Alfoncica. You guys remember him? He's a six-fingered pitcher. The guy could throw balls that no one else could throw because he had an extra finger on his hand. Yeah, that's not fair. Now, some would argue that it's completely fair because it was a natural thing.

He didn't take drugs to grow an extra finger and be good at pitching. He was born this way. I mean, is that a possible? Here's a pill, and it'll make you grow another finger. I mean, if they could prove it, sure, unfair. Absolutely unfair. But if it's like a natural thing, like you can't shun the guy from sports just because like he's got an extra finger.

And this lays heavily into like the whole gender sports thing of should a man be able to go into a woman's sport and claim that he's a woman and win the entire thing, that's not a natural enhancement in my opinion. So I think there's a, there's a, there's a, plain line to be drawn in between these two things. If a kid gets like growth hormone juiced up when he's 12 or 13, maybe just dieterally and he becomes 7 foot

2. I mean, that's why we have drug tests, but yeah. We're going to just grow 10, 10 foot tall monsters that live for 30 years and they can just play basketball when they walk him and just place the ball in the hoop. I wonder if Yao Ming was a chimera if a Chinese experiment. I don't think he was. I think chimera is the wrong

word. It's not the word you're looking for. Yeah. Chimera is a human, well, they say human animal. Humans are animals. Are you looking for a homunculus? That is not what chimera... Human animal hybrid? What is it? Chimera means two sets of DNA in one organism. Okay.

So there are human chimeras. Like you... Oh. You might see like one eye... So people, some people with heterochromia, eyes are different colors because they have different DNA sets. There are people who, like, in the womb, twins are forming, but then stop. And then part of the body just becomes...

So there are a lot of stories where a guy has, like, different DNA in an organ or something because of some kind of weird, you know, deforming. in the womb? So a human animal hybrid could be a chimera, but not all chimeras are human animal hybrids. That's the science fiction version. Chimerism is just two different sets of DNA. And so sci-fi says,

what if it was like a dog and like a giraffe? And then you're like, okay, well, I guess. What if it's a heavy metal band from Cleveland? Uh-huh. Okay, so this is a distinction from what's called a mosaic, so people can be mosaics, too, which arise from mutations of a single zygote. There you go.

That's that from here is have multiple zygotes. Yeah, yeah, there you go. It's funny you mentioned about American power earlier, trying to change the name of everything. We already implemented a halftime show for the FIFA World Cup finale. Like they're going to a 40 or 35 minute, you know, halftime show. So like they're getting the end of the treatment.

Good. And then what we do is next time we're going to introduce some rule changes, be like it's, you know, light rule change. Some hand is going to be allowed, like use your for hands. okay and then like a week later they're like we're actually adding another rule we're gonna we're going to mark the field and the the we're to elevate the goal actually and then just like six months later after like a dozen rule changes are playing football okay the world cup we're gonna rename it football now no it's football it's always been football thank you have a nice day yeah it would be

funny if like we set up the world cup and it's actually just a football American football and we're like oh you said football oh you meant that football jeez I'm sorry we'll call it football No, I'm saying we make them play NFL football and then go, oh, we thought when you were saying it was football. Oh, because we play American dumb. And we go, oh, that's what you meant. Whoops. We don't do that here. Sorry.

Why would we do that? Fine. We'll call us football. So you'll have like, what do you think what do you think would happen if you took these soccer guys from like these other countries and said, okay, play football? Be like that South Park episode where the Red Wings played the kids in that game. Remember that? No. No? Isn't there one team right now that currently has one of their kickers?

He's a former soccer player professionally. Makes sense. There's a lot of... Remember when that lady tried to kick and then she couldn't do it? The crazy thing about that, there is a thing happening right now where they're realizing that some of the best kickers in the world are people that don't actually play sports. Like, they're hiring kickers that, yeah, ex-s soccer players, people that are doctors and stuff like that.

but just this guy decided to go out and kick a football for 10 straight years. And it got better than anybody who went to college for it. Remember that video? You might be thinking of Brandon Aubrey from the Cowboys. There's a college team that put a female kicker in play to be progressive. Yes. And then she just whiffed it real bad, costing them the game. And then the dudes were crying over it.

Brutal. Oops. Caleb Haney thing was nuts. It was that it or what? The whole, the kicker in Chicago that hit the field goal post three times before you were supposed to go to the playoffs. I can't remember it was two or three times. that dude got death threats.

Him and his wife got death threats within a week. Now, the causality of this was this was a kicker who practiced by kicking a football at a pole in the middle of the field. Oops. And trying to hit the pole. That was one of his practice. That's muscle memory.

Oh, damn. The whole thing was, you're telling me this guy was actually kicking a ball at these poles as practice, and you put him in a playoff situation, and he hits the pole three times. I was watching that game from work and screaming in the workplace because I was by myself because I could not, there's no way.

he does it again. There's no way he hits the pole again. He hit the pole again. What? Who's the Brandon Aubrey, you mentioned, this guy from, uh, Dallas Cowboys. Cowboys? Yeah. What was his career before he became a kicker? Are you familiar? I don't know what the hell he was doing. Um, he was a non-athlete? Yeah, he did not. I don't believe he got in by conventional means. That's pretty cool, man. Let me check, actually. So I'm kind of curious. Multi-sport athlete place. Oh, I think I, I think I found the video. Is this one it? That is Lalani Armenta. And she's going to play and she's going to kick off and maybe even do some field goes tonight for the Jackson State Tigers.

Of course, she was on the Jackson State women's soccer team. And because of injuries this week during practice, she's going to get her shot tonight. She's wearing a knee brace on her kicking leg too. Yeah. What's that good. She was an impressive young lady's been in a chance for her. And I'm sure she's pretty nervous at this point. But they have her out there.

And sweat football. Oh, is underway. Wow, that was like 18 yards. Did you see that? And here's the story of the day. That was the worst kicks I've ever seen. That wasn't even a squib. That was just a bad.

No, that was no. Oh, no. Oops. Borderline onside kick. So, uh, this was a story from Newsweek. This was from back in 20203. College football team's first female player widely mocked after kicking. I feel bad for it.

What was she thinking? You're injured and you're going to try and kick. You're going to make yourself look bad. You're going to make everybody look bad. Man. I feel like a lot of that was nerves, too. That looked like she was just panicking and just. I guarantee there are at least 25 guys in the team who could kick better.

Wow, what a boot. Did her dad sponsor the game? I can't think of another reason why she's on the bitch. And yes, Brandon Aubrey was a professional soccer player and software engineer before he started kicking in the NFL professionally. He was a soft. What? He used to play soccer and he was a engineer. He played soccer.

Of course. This was a software engineer. There are actually several current and recent NFL kickers that began. careers as professional and collegiate soccer players. So there's a bunch of people. There's an uptick in it because they're realizing these guys kick balls better than the guys that we've trained to kick football their whole lives.

Kick balls. Yes. The ball's. The show, ow, my balls, most notably. It's like power slap. We watched a lot. Our base player really likes that show. It's so dumb.

It's Rochambeau. It's like, first I smack you as hard as I can. And if you survive, you can smack me after. It's like, what? Who goes first? Some dudes don't get a chance. There's a coin toss, I guess. Yeah, but I'm willing to bet if you track Power Slap,

majority of the winners are the guys who went first. Because even if the other guy stays up, he's inj. He's smacked. Like, it's going to be disorienting. I've seen a bunch of the matches where they, like, I think it's only three slaps each and like they both make it through. I mean, I just dumb. I think it's dumb too.

Power slap, the person who strikes first wins approximately 53% of all matches. That's it. Really? Wow. They must set those matchups intentionally to be like the stronger guy has to go second. Maybe. I don't know. Because you're getting smacked in the face.

It's hard to take a smack man like that. Did you ever see the pillow fight ones? No. It's just two guys that go out and it's extreme pillow fighting. Wait, what? Basically, look it up. It's one of the craziest things I've ever seen. They take picks, they literally take pillows and wad them up at the end and they go after

each other and try to knock each other out with pillows. This just sounds like an ESP. It's a beautiful. That's exactly. You want to see. Something that you see on the OCHOCHO. Yeah, it's like that slap play. It's basically MMA with pillows.

Oh, nice one. Oh, this was good. This is cool. What is like in for turboys, he's cutting off, Simon from jumping around. Oh, good shot. You want to leave to the window, to the move. Oh, I love it. What is this supposed to accommodate?

Is he sponsored by Dr. Pepper? How many people are in the stance? They're just taken it. Sponsored by that. Do they actually get knocked out, though? I have seen people get knocked out. Oh, wow. For Kenneth to finally get goals, she knocked on a five.

How heavy are the pillow? Not bad. He's a lot of the grazing pillow strike. He used friction to his advantage of this point. You can, like, scroll on their face with the front side. I want to see someone get knocked out. I assume it's score base. walking every shot.

You probably get points. Oh. Oh. I got with that 360. That's maybe the difference. Apollo my ticked the cone. 360. Cool.

If you hit the 360, you hit the hand and your hand hit your... Someone's got to get something action here. You're not go for the legs. That's a three-pointer. Yeah, it's a three-point-based. Get used to it because if the governor and the mayor of Chicago have anything to do with it, this is going to be the only thing you're going to have to watch in Chicago. I don't know.

This kind of base. I kind of like this. Like it's point-based. I'd like to see someone get knocked out by dancing. I mean, you might have searched for a knockout. I'm sure someone's been smacked hard enough. Yeah.

There's rocks in their back. I don't even want to be terrible. They put barbed wire on it. Like, is there a official way. I imagine there is an official weight, yeah. The pillows. I want to see the way in where they're like testing the softness of the pillow.

Too firm. There's a ton of knockouts. Hello fight Like there's a ton Actually Really? How long has this thing

Been around for? I think I first saw this Four or five years ago So it's been There you go 2021 Yeah I prefer to that

Slap fight challenge Yeah That's just brutal This is way better than Slap Dude Yeah slap Yeah We don't need

This weird music Where's the knockouts I want to see a knockout There's a bunch of shorts of knockouts, but I want to see it. Downs, they count those probably. Is she wearing a blue lives matter? It looked like it.

Pants. Oh, boy. Thin blue line. Ooh, that one got him. Boom. He got a pillow of face. You can see eight days a bit. They're getting heavier.

There's got to be a better than this. This is ridiculous. I search for PFC knockouts. Yeah, these are like, I don't want to. These are T-KOs. These aren't chaos. Yeah, this is dumb. Is someone actually.

get knocked out. I don't think that anyone has. It's like on TikTok they got it, but where's the YouTube? Oh, in the octagon now. We might need to test this. Professional pillow fighter gets knocked out with a pillow. You just take turns cracking Andy in the face of the pillow and see how many you face they're knocking out. This is just someone reacting

to it. Where's the actual knockout, bro? Where's the juice? Give me some juice. Dude, if someone gets knocked out by a pillow, that's the funny. Who cares about TKO? It's like, I Google searched it, it's all just like TKO. Well, duh, that's all the game is. Spinning.

backhand. Yeah, I've noticed that's the go-to move. This is annoying. Number one isn't a legitimate knockout. I guess there's, like, I don't want to pull up

a TikTok video. It's annoying. It gives you the business. Oh, please. I've had a better with my friends. This is not a knockout? This is terrible. I don't think there are knockouts

in the pillow fighting. I don't think so either. The guy got knocked out of the ring. It's not a knockout. Yeah, you'd have to be real weak. I would take that at this point. See, and someone gets smacked so hard they went out of the ring.

That would be funny. I got knocked out of the ring Yeah, a guy got knocked out of the ring That's not Ain't nobody getting knocked out I can't believe there are people that are watching this They're just trading blows Is there

It's worse than that Phil People paid money to watch this Yeah right Someone sponsored this If anyone's listening and not watching It's top 10 hits of 2021 is the name of Is that guy wearing a Tigger cosplay back there Probably

Oh they got caught up It's on ESPN dude Raff had to step in This is like a big thing How do we not? They're just allowing the pillows to hit their faces. That's because you don't get knocked out with a pillow. Give it to me.

I'll show you how hard I am. Okay, well, this isn't pillow fighting, but it came up and it's entertaining. This is way better. Yes. What is? S-C-A, right? Ah, yes. Yes.

That's pain. This is definitely... This is the Barbary that I was referring to earlier that we're so obsessed with it. This is still entertaining for us. A lot of back... Medieval sword fighting? Yeah. There's some great video games.

This is why medieval times is still around. Here we go. The weapon of time. You can go to any SCA chapter and do this right now if you want it to. What's that? SEA. The Society for Creative Anachronism, and this is where guys with a lot of money to blow

will dress up exactly like that and beat the tar out of each other. The card is like this. Oh, yeah. Is it something where a poor guy like me can walk up, become a fighter and then slowly ascend to the rank of gladiator and take over, you know, overthrow a small community of... I mean, I met guys that literally would smith their own.

There you go. This is when he would pull out his dagger and put it through the eye visor of the other hand. He to the head? Oh, he knocked him out, dude. Dude, he shoved smashed him in the head like forward to that. Yeah. That's sharp. Look at that arena.

I'm bludginging to the face, dude. Very Highlander-esque. Got him like the Scotland Highlands? He's like, no, I'm done. Night nights fights? Bro, relentless. Bloody facing everything. Oh, that's all down.

Getting dragged out. That's tough because he's got a metal mask on. You couldn't see how busted his face was. You'll find out when you pull it off. There's a bunch of it. Body language. Armored M.M.A. His arm from coming down to ring and all his points, but it's just...

You're talking to these guys are a kick. Got to do some option. The reps got a stick. Stick. Yeah. What the? Actually. Yeah.

Man, Debrun just coming back to lock up. Oh, he's down. He'll be on the ground. Does any of this? Eye control. The bloods. But I mean, like, throwing each other around,

taking down at what point do you, are you susceptible to take it to one of those swords in the gut, you know? I wonder if there's any, like, severe stabbings or anything come out of the sport. Well, they don't get me sharp. He gets that taked down and takes advantage of it. Because De Bruin, he comes right back when he gets hit.

They're awesome to see. But he's got to watch that take down. Well, that you're definitely wearing a sign on a waiver. Looks at the ground game is finished. They're not fully covered by this armor. Who's coming up with less enters? The armor looks like they're just covering this. The person who was delivering me.

Like they got plates. It's mainly just the front. You're looking down on the ground, man. Is there like half plates or something? Oh, there's that. Oh, there's absolutely. They'll get them. Let's just.

Watch guys sword fight and plate armor from now on. I mean. All right, everybody. We want to get your questions here from the Discord. So get those questions in. We'll pull them up for everybody else. Smash the like button. Share the show and all that good stuff.

Senoski, he's got a question. He says, Tim, over the last few years, we've seen the slow shift of business demonstrating that wokeism, D.I. policies just aren't a thing anymore. The Bears being the prime example today. But even earlier this week, with Victoria's Secret shares surging nearly 50% after moving back to sexy and hot models. Is it a true sign of positive change or is it a false signal

simply due to Trump policy changes. I think they lost a ton of money. I think Bud Light proved it. So a lot of these companies are retreating, but woke isn't dead. When you conquer a nation, its people are still there. You have to subjugate them. So the woke must be subjugated and kept out of media and entertainment, institutions and corporations. I don't know what you guys think. Reeducation. When you conquer a nation, you re-educate the populace. They're lying dormant right now. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't say lying dormant. I think that there are things that they will stop pushing, right so in this context you're talking about the victoria secret stuff like i don't imagine that the body positivity movement or body positivity part of woke is going to be a thing anymore particularly with

things like ozempic and manjaro um you have the option to not be overweight anymore and i don't think that was ever real there was no never people that actually thought that people that were overweight was a good thing it's unhealthy they're trying to make all these arguments it was untrue but i think that the the LGBT lobby lost a lot of power because of the trans part of the LGBT groups and stuff. But there are still going to be people that are going to be like, well, you know, there's still systemic racism and all those other types of things. I think that those things are deeply ingrained in a lot of people. And so I don't think it's going away.

It might change a little bit. And it has lost, you know, social currency. But it will come back when Democrats are back in power. The Democrats haven't significantly moved away from all of these narratives. Like they'll tone down the rhetoric now. It's not obviously it's not as bad as it was in 2020, 21. But the people are still running on these things. You still hear people talking about, you know, the class warfare stuff.

You still see the left scapegoating certain groups of people and stuff like that. So it hasn't gone away. It will change some, but it's going to come back. Well, and I mean, we live in a very much bifurcated kind of environment. We often describe things. is like two realities or two Americas. But, I mean, fundamentally, you still see those anti-racist messaging at the end of every, you know, end zone at the NFL.

You still have that the Oscars have their requirements to even be nominated to meet their various DEI and diversity goals. This is why Nolan's The Odyssey is the absolute fire show that it is in terms of representation of one of the most important myths and historical events to Western culture. And at the same time, like these battles are still going on. Even right now, we can take a look at the things that people like James Talariko are saying that is a Democratic candidate for the Senate right now.

I mean, you know, he has said it multiple times, even abusing the pulpit saying, you know, he thinks about trans kids while having a beard of a girlfriend where all these things that are taking place. I mean, yeah, there's some cultural victories or mores where they're like, oh, they're reversing something. But when you have people on Twitter who are prominent progressive activists saying, well, woke 1.0 had some problems. that's not going away anytime soon because those institutions haven't been captured they haven't been defunded

and there hasn't been a proper punishment. Yeah, the Bud Light thing is probably the first major success that we've seen against this sort of stuff. But when people like Benny Johnson and Oren McIntyre can't even get Jimmy Kimmel canceled for openly lying about Charlie Kirk's assassination,

then the right still has a long way to go and I think Woke has not gone away and maybe in hiding, but we know that when people run as Democrats, like I'm John Normalson or whatever, this grand platinum guy that you guys were talking about yesterday. It doesn't matter how normal he tries to look on the outside. He's going to vote to the left of Mao every single time,

no matter what problematic thing you may have with him. It seems like wokeism is derives from classism, which is like the Marxist Marxism. But have there been instances historically, if you guys know, of like class warfare before Marx? Was he the first guy that kind of the whole French Revolution? Yeah, there's a lot of class war. Like India, the caste system,

is like a class, like a victory of a class war. What we consider like modern socialism, like the seeds were planted in the French Revolution, right? Like so the Jacobins and Rousseau, all those ideas or all the ideas that Marx kind of put into the communist manifesto, they were all, they were all very popular with the French left during the French Revolution. Like people love to blame the Jews and say that communism came from the Jews. It didn't come from the Jews. It came from the French during the French Revolution. That's where all the seeds were planted. That's where the ideas really started to gain popular.

You've got a lot of other things to look at there. With the French Revolution, there's a great book by Jack Goldstone called Revolution and Rebellion in the early modern era. The pressures for the French Revolution are heavily predicated on poor resources of mismanagement, the fact that the royalty is trying to create ways in which the titles of nobility for you to have access to land or wealth are increasingly diminished. You have an overproduction of areas for people that are trying to develop an understanding of say like law degrees are a really good example of this. There were an

over surplus of lawyers plus a famine and also infant mortality was down so people were living longer. You had a perfect demographic and an economic time bomb that was large part due to revolution and I mean we can sort of look at this based on purchasing power we can examine this based off the demographics and eventually the management of the that system in this case the royalty we saw how it was from the beginning of the revolution towards the end like class warfare does Yes, happen, but it's also heavily going to be predicated on the external pressures that a lot of materialist analysis works off of. But it's older than Marxism. We can even look at the glorious revolution in England in the 1600s. We can look throughout all of history that typically in periods of imperial rule, you're either bringing in other people to diminish the labor power that's there or otherwise. But it also comes not as exclusively, I don't think it's exclusively materialist because again, usually when you're bringing in a new policy, or new identity to either replace scab labor or whatever.

I mean, it also comes with religion, ethnicity. It comes with a sense of cultural values. And it's the same thing that we're seeing already now. Like we saw this during what a lot of people call peak woke. But like when Alison Bree is saying like, this movie's not made for you, she's being very accurate. It isn't made for me and mine. It's made to indoctrinate the next level of children and for the people that they already have as the next, you know,

consumer base. They've already talked about this for years, whether it's ditching the gamers or ditching the pre-existing audience. Ugly filters. Yeah, the ugly filter. And, like, we know that the left idolizes the, the ugly over the good and the true and the beautiful. But outside of that, they also have the means to enforce it because the right doesn't

have control over, you know, the various means in which you enforce the diversity quotas happen all the time. Let's grab this question. We got this from Igregor. He says, question for the panel. If when you get married, your wife's parents become your mother-in-law and father-in-law, and her siblings become your brother-in-law. and sister-in-law. Does this mean that your wife is now your sister-in-law? No, she's your wife.

My own grandpa. The answer is no, but I got the joke you're trying to make. Just a wife, you know. All right, what do we got here? Volunteering for change says, New York State Legislature passes bill removing gender-specific terms from custody laws. What are your thoughts? Probably a good thing accidentally. Remove the bias, I guess, from family courts. They changed mother to gestating. parent. Oh, right. Yeah, that doesn't work. Yeah. And they'll still end up, you know, putting all of the onus on the man to pay for everything. The family court

system is historically anti-male. Changing the verbiage doesn't change the material conditions. Well, okay. Yeah. Make them fight in the A-M-M-M-A. What is that? M-M-M-M-A. Something M-M-M-A. Mixed martial arts? Armored mixed martial arts.

Oh, right. Yeah. Armored in that. There we go. look it's it's fun to watch it's cool you know oh yeah the the shield to the face i mean the edges of those shield just battering yeah the real prehistoric man in me loves to just sit and mindlessly drone over it but wrath asks question have we entered the bargaining phase with the woke similar how treaties are signed after wars maybe i don't know i would i think we just crushed yeah i don't think the i don't think that they're they're comfortable giving up anything I think that they, yeah, they don't, they are not comfortable giving up. There are things that they will stop pushing the things that, you know, turn off the middle of America.

Like I said, like trans stuff is something that's really not popular. A lot of the, a lot of gays and lesbians are really upset with the trans lobby because there are people that are no longer, you know, that have a negative view of gays and lesbians now because of the trans lobby, because of the activists. So they'll stop pushing things that are that are obviously unpopular. popular with the American people, but I mean, your average, you know, white urban liberal is, a woman is still all in on things like, you know, anti-racism and all that stuff. They still believe, you know, there are people that still believe that, you know, black men are hunted in the streets, white police, even though statistically you see that that it just was never true.

That it was always just a line to get people to open their wallets. They haven't left the restaurant. They're just hiding out in the, uh, unisex bathroom. Yeah, I guess so, yeah. I'll be back. They're in the they room. Yeah, I mean, to imply bargaining implies that there's been some kind of victory. I mean, the president is in the White House, but the Republican Party that he's, you know, the avatar of won't even pass the most important piece of election, you know, integrity legislation that this country's ever seen that it desperately needs. Otherwise, we're going to keep seeing this mail-in ballot crap

like we're witnessing in Los Angeles. It really does go to show that like, yeah, an election is great, but you shouldn't be using this as a pressure release valve. And the average person obviously thinks that. I mean, considering what words, 20, 26, so we're now 11 years since overfell the Hodges, the legalization of gay marriage in the country. And I mean, that really, I think for a lot of people, realize that the court has always been the Supreme Legislator over our congressman, despite them having the power of the purse. And so all of our cultural war battles have been predicated on court victories. The left has especially been operating on legal battles for forever, at least since the 1960s. And so, yeah, there's nothing for us to

bargain with because the left knows that they can either wait out this administration or wait out the demographic time bomb in this country and that they can implement their victory. I mean, until they are absolutely crushed and kept out of power forever, there is no bargaining on either side to happen because the war is still on. My name is Munchab, says, Tim, you talk about wanting to build a city, but what industry would you use to coalesce around? For example, Austin grew a huge amount of the tech industry moved in, then an avalanche of new industries following, including entertainment.

What would your idea be for a high money industry? the Timkist Corporation brings a lot of economic activity to this area that probably wouldn't exist. We may be one of like the highest grossing businesses in the town that we're in. Actually, probably the thing is fair to say we are. So that produces, that brings revenue in. The people who work here then rent around the area. They go to restaurants around the area. That activity is coming in.

Then I tell other people in similar positions to center their businesses here. You could probably negotiate. with the state because West Virginia is a smaller state population-wise, and they'll cut you a tax deal. If you say you want to bring your business here, they'll get you some kind of deal. Then you get a bunch of media businesses and you get their market products. The idea for the anti-Time Square was a cultural center. That is tourism. People would come to Martinsburg to shop at the stores because they know they can see all of the great products from the people online they like. So a cultural center like Times Square. What does Times Square offer? Time Square? You know? Right? What's they

you, Ian, you want to build the city, right? What are you going to do? Industry-wise? Yeah. Honestly, it would be a big, big, a big uptake, but I think we should make graphene. I think that we should start collecting trash. I was obvious. I was going to suggest American Steel, which is still popular and highly sought after, but now graphene afterwards.

Yeah, you could import trash, start importing trash and flashing it into graphene and mass, but they're doing it already elsewhere. It doesn't mean that we can't do it here. Chicago's been importing trash for years. Yeah, dude. you just turn that carbon into graphene, man. That's nice stuff. Import export. People will be sitting there in laboratories with clay pots

and one of those things called arc welders just turning their black carbon trash into graphene. I mean, what's the closest waterway here from right now? We have the Shenandoah, the Potomac. Okay, so I mean, I'm thinking about water industry, things that we desperately need to be built in-house. If I'm going to build a town, if I want to build around here, I would be coordinating with both the federal government and the

HHS specifically, but not HHS, but health and human services, but also with the state government, I would start thinking about building pharmaceuticals, especially antibiotics. We're almost heavily reliant exclusively on the Chinese to do it, and considering that all of their student visas that they come over, either come in with agro-terrorism and biological terrorism, probably the best for the most important thing of the modern medical industry, antibiotics, to be built by Americans here at home. Not just a Walmart? Not just a Walmart.

Data centers. That'll come next. Yeah. Walmart can sell the pharmaceuticals. Yeah. And they do. Yeah. It'll be, it should be data centers, I think.

Well, I mean, that's been such in the works for so many years. Like, I know that a lot of people are now getting upset or there's been, you know, allegations of the Chinese also paying, you know, people to agitate against it, which I mean, hey, if Hassan Bikers going to jail, no complaints here. But at the same time, a lot of these things have been put in place in previous administrations. Like a lot of projects that are happening to revitalize power. plants or to make room for data centers. These things aren't going to be built until 2029 to 233. And even then, there's still a lot of groundwork that needs to be done. So we're talking about

steel, insulation, making sure that the construction companies have everything that they need. So there's a lot there that, of course, kind of hampers us because our industrial base has been so hollowed out. And it already makes it harder if you're getting any sort of tax subsidy or a grant to do so, because there's like the BABA requirements, buy American, build American. And like, unless you're actually a company or a factory or manufacturer that's producing steel or the various forms of widgets, whatever you need to build or insulation, wiring, etc., that does put a hamper on a lot of domestic building and manufacturing. And I mean, the thing is, is though on a national security level, you absolutely need that

to come back. It's just now whether or not this administration or any government on a state level or local wants to provide either maybe the necessity or the subsidies or whatever to make it happen. but these things are just a question of, you know, national security needs for the United States, period. Thank you for Life says, do you think if the left did gain power again, they would use flot cams to track down conservatives who fight their manipulation? Sure. Similarly, how Taui ICE uses them to track illegals and suspected illegals, which ICE asks us to submit on the tip form.

Yes, of course, absolutely. Flot cams, what are they? Yeah, they track your license plates, and then they create a database of where people are and what they do. Yeah. It's like, where are the, what are the cameras? Where are they track? where are they coming from? They'll be like on the side of the road

and when you drive past it, it registers your license plate and your car. Man, that's the problem with centralization. It starts to formulate patterns on where you've been and where you're going regularly so they know where to trap you. It is deeply concerning about like cheering

on a technocratic, you know, incision because whoever gets control of it is like, good God, who's coming next? Who's going to be in charge next? Who gives them Palantir next? I had a dream about the guy who runs Palantir. Alex Carp last night

that I was hanging out with him. He was super cool and he wanted to call me testosterone, Tilly or something. He's like, I don't want to put your real name in my phone. We'll just call you like testosterone Terry or something. That's what I would have used.

Yeah. He was loopy. That's the dream. It's the first thing when it came to my mind. Shout to Alex Carp. Get on the show, bro. Come on. All right.

Let's grab a bow one more while we're at it. Munch up says, no way. Times Square is the New York Stock Exchange right there. That's incorrect. The New York Stock Exchange is not in Times Square. It's downtown. It's downtown on Wall Street, which is where the wall was. The Financial District, Times Square.

Again, the New York Stock Exchange is in the financial district near Battery Park. Times Square is miles away. Times Square is really just an opposite end. It was a crossroads of Broadway and what, 46th Street. Or 6th is Broadway. It's Broadway's its own street. It's a diagonal street that cuts across everything. And it intersects 6th Avenue and 42nd Street.

And that's Times Square, basically. And what was there was the Times building, the news. So there's Thompson Reuters that's up there right now. but it's a bunch of just random media stuff. Times Square literally makes money for being Times Square. No one goes there to go to Thompson Reuters building. I mean, like you do if you have to go there. But the people who come there and buy food,

it's because Bubba Gump shrimp is there. And it's like 10 blocks away from Central Park. So it's kind of a nice business area. Yeah, it's a tourist, you know, mecca. Yeah, you would avoid that at all costs if you live there. Yep. Usually. Smells like roasted peanuts.

People walk very slow. It smells like bum piss and disappointment. Really? I always smell the dudes grilling the peanuts at their balls on the... You smell New York. Bless you for being able to pick that aroma out of the air over there. All right, everybody. That about does it.

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