Timcast IRL - Civilian Killed, 2 Cops SHOT IN Minneapolis, MOTIVE UNKNOWN w/ Kato Kaelin

Episode Date: September 3, 2026

On this episode Tim & the crew are joined by Kato Kaelin to discuss A mass shooting erupting in Minneapolis, Minnesota Lindsay Clancy jury remaining deadlocked An unhinged woman charged with intimidating Lindsay Clancy jury A Virginia mom being charged after letting her 5-year-old walk to a local pond alone Hosts:  Tim @Timcast (everywhere) | https://www.shoutout.fans/timpool Phil @PhilThatRemains (X) | https://allthatremains.komi.io/ Ian @IanCrossland (everywhere) Producer: Carter @carterbanks (X) |  @trashhouserecords  (YT) Guest:  Kato Kaelin @Kato_Kaelin (X)

At least one civilian has been killed. Two cops have been injured. They've been shot. Six people have been shot in Minneapolis. We don't yet know the motive. But we are getting details. The story is breaking right now. We also had a shooting in Virginia.

During the reporting of this shooting in Minneapolis, some Somali guy walks up and throws up gang signs behind the camera, which has got some people tweeting to think it might have been gang related. But that could just be a guy, you know, going up to the camera. So we don't know for sure. We will be covering this. And of course, we will talk about what's going on with the war right now. We mentioned this last night.

We never got into it. But is Vladimir Putin stating that they will be supplying the Iranians with weapons and supporting them while rallying other countries to stand up to the United States? The reason I bring this up now, even though it's kind of yesterday's news, is that the Washington Post published a story through their ripple, whatever that's called. I don't know. It's Washington Post.com suggesting we bring back the military draft saying we need it. right at the time when there are questions about the U.S.'s ability to win this war in Iran. And of course, the Lindsay Clancy trial. The jury is deadlocked again.

This is it. If it happens one more time, it is a mistrial. We don't know what's going to happen. But we do have new information on a woman named Dawn Light. That's actually her name, if you believe it or not, being charged the felony because she was trying to secretly take photos and videos, I believe, of the jurors outside the court. how absolutely insane it is getting. We're going to talk about this and so much more.

Joining us tonight, do talk about this and so much more. Is Cato Caelin? I can't believe I'm here. This is great. You know, the intro, I have a question for you quick. Do you think Somalians are giving Somaliers a bad name? Yes. I always thought that.

For people of bad grammar. I don't want that, I want a Somalié pouring me the wine. Can you hear me better with these on or these? Tim? Same thing, right? Yeah. Okay, I'll put these on much smarter. Which everyone, I think everybody knows who you are. You know, do you need to introduce yourself?

Oh, I'm Cato Cailin. I guess, yes, I'm Cato. And, honestly, I was a guest. I got to say he was on fire in the green room. There's probably like 16-year-olds watching that have no idea. But you were at O.J. Simpson's house when, literally when the murder took place? Is that what, or when the killing happened? There's a, I'm in the guest house.

And back then it was in cell phones. Phone records are the most important thing. The timeline. I'm probably the most important. person because of a timeline of proving probably that OJ was at Nicole's Bundy House. Now, that is a, we don't know every, we don't know. So many theories are out there.

There's even a new show coming out with a whole theory of someone else coming out. Well, certainly this put you on the map. Yeah. You do things. You're an actor, a personality. Tim, I am an actor. Thank you. I could do, I could do, I was thinking about that.

Ian, I too can do a finger in a cow. Mouth. You know, from Wisconsin, it's normal. Yes, I had, I've been around forever. I've had my Screen Actors Guild aftercard for over 45 years. Wow. I've been around a long time. I'm not even 45 years old.

See, it's amazing too. And it's exactly, but that's the reason it, because there's so many different documentaries, so many things have been OJ that it's educated so many people. The Ryan Murphy Show brought me back kind of like people, Billy Magason played me who also was in no time to die of the Bond film. So they keep, and it won eight Emmys. So all these things educate the younger people to know the OJ, won the Oscar for Best Documentary. So I read for Dumb and Dumber. That was the whole thing. I, the week before these murders happened, Aaron Meyerson, friend of mine was the producer,

he gave me the script for Dumb and Dumber. I read for this movie back in 1994, brought back in by Rick Montgomery, the director, he does all the casting for the Fairley brothers. And my life stopped from that moment, that week, one week, and then the week the murders happened. And then I was in a preliminary trial in my life. He stopped. You know, this is actually really good timing. The Lindsay Clancy trial has been called by some the O.J. Simpson for women,

with the way it's divided. HoJ. The what? HoJ Simpson. Ho-J. OJ. Not all women. Not all women.

No, but people are, there's a lot of commentary talking about how this case is, it's obviously not identical, but it is a, it is culturally significant in a way that it's divided people based on identity. But let's, let's, we'll get into it. So, Katie, it's great to have you. Yeah, it's so good to be here. Thanks so much. And meeting everybody here. And God, it's just so much, I live in L.A., but my God, it's kind of, I think it's cooler here. Oh, yeah.

Libby's hanging out. Libby Emmett is here. I love her. My goodness. I was just, it's so funny when she walked in the room. I just got on the Instagram and said, oh, Libby follows. I was like, and she walked in.

I was like, that just happened, am I right? That was like so very cool. That was the sequence of events. I'm a fan. Yeah. Yeah, so I'm Libby. I'm glad to be here with all of you guys tonight. Really stoked to get into it.

We got the boys hanging out. Cater, you look like 50 years. Are you 60 something? I am. Dang, nice. Yes, yes. Good. Really?

Yes. When I got married, my strippers from AARP. So it's bad when the strippers got a 38 long. bra size. That's great long. Man, it's pleasure to have you, dude. Thanks, Carter. Very fun.

Phil, what's on, man? I was thinking you were closer to my age. I'm in my 50s, and you're a little bit older than I thought you were, and you look great, though. Oh, thanks a lot. Yeah. The thing is, honestly, I've backed this up, and I have nothing against drugs of people to do it. I've never done a drug in my life, and I rarely can say that I've been drunk. And I, you know, I have a beer every now, and I just never, and I'm from Wisconsin, you know,

brandy beer capital. Drink a lot of water, right? Now that I'm older, I was like, God, I'm kind of glad I didn't drink a lot. And so it made a huge difference. And I used to run marathon, so I did the whole thing with health. And like Ian, I had the hair, by the way, thanks to the rental. I had hair like this.

And people assume automatically when you have hair like that, I'm sure he goes, he's got drugs. Oh, yeah. And maybe you do, I don't know. Yeah, of all the people in the room, I assume you in two. We're going to go to the news. Before we do, we have a great sponsor. for you guys, it's Americanfinancing.net. Go to Americanfinancing.net slash tim.

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It's going to hit a million. This one's popping off. This is a straightforward one-on-one interview show, much more low volume, much more chill. If you want to pop something on before you go to bed, this is where you can kind of fall asleep to the sound of my soothing voice. But it's straight up one-on-one interviews. We have a bunch of great ones.

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We're nearing 100,000 subscribers on a new show. So really do appreciate it. Matt Miller's great. He's fantastic. But let's jump into the new. news. We got this one from the Daily Mail, at least one civilian killed and six people injured. They say Minneapolis police raced to the scene of the shooting near 15 East Grant Street on Wednesday afternoon, where one officer was shot in the stomach and another was shot in the leg.

Seven patients. So currently, this story is, it's currently breaking right now. We don't know the full details, what the motivation was. FBI director Cash Patel shared on social media that agents are responding to the scene, as he vowed to offer any and all resources necessary to assist local authorities. With FBI involvement, this is where things start getting interesting. So we don't know exactly again. But we have this video from The Blaze. Somalian flashes gang signs in the background of a live TV report on the Minneapolis mass shooting.

Again, we don't know exactly what's going on. So we will be tracking the news right now. But obviously, there seems to be a perception that there's something bigger and political here. I'm going to stress again, we don't know that. But considering the story popped off to where we all discussed before the show, like, this seems to be big. I mean, the FBI's showing up. We got this video. Could this be something politically motivated or at least a shooting that enters the realm of politics, such as, you know, if this was Somali gangs or if it was, you know, refugee related, people are going to utilize this particularly just before the midterm election, which is two months out.

Who is the shooter? We don't know. just a random and they're still looking for the... Yeah, we don't, I don't think we have any information on who the shooter is. There's just rumors. At this point. And we don't know if the shooter's alive or dead or what happened. But yeah, it's interesting to see the news coverage of a shooting before anyone knows how they can fit it into their narrative.

Yeah. Nice and plain. It's pretty plain. Yeah. Low sodium. And so the shooter, we don't know with the shooter, if he shot two cops, they had to shoot back. So we don't know. And that's what they're, I think you're right, they're waiting for the narrative. Yeah.

And that's what people, yeah, that's what people want to know. Who hides that? Just fit into the leftist perspective. You know, I mean, you probably have leftists out there right now being like, God, I hope it's a white Christian guy who broke, you know,

you have other people being like, I hope it's a trans killer. But you think that other people being like, illegal alien, it's got to be an illegal alien. You think that phone call comes in from like a, like a Walt saying, don't report on this, that he has so much power. He can't. I don't think he has that much power in the state.

You're saying that the left media, the legacy media is probably saying, I'm saying we don't have the information yet. But they could do that, possibly. But I think there's enough people on the ground that would tell the truth. A group of thugs seem jumping out of a car before opening fire on people. Looks like we might have, is this? We have it now? No, no, no, no, I'm sorry.

This is a different video. Wow. It's a different video. I looked up the shooting and I saw somebody post being like, here's the video. And this one's from Missouri. I'm so glad we have so many shootings in my day here. Right? Yeah, I mean, we're in America.

right so how many shootings are there in the night? You know, I brought up a show. It's amazing. I do this thing about murder in a minute show. I have so much content. I have so much, and it's sickening, that I have so much content because something happens probably every hour

and stuff that will just blow your mind and you're going, are you kidding me? This person was arrested 39 times and released. Everything seems to be released by, I hate say, but woke left judges and it's got to stop. The judges are crazy.

It's amazing. They block everything. Yeah. They think that it's their determination as to who is allowed into the country and who gets to stay and who doesn't. The judges think that's up to them, not Congress, not the president, not state. Not to derail into a different topic, but there was a judge in Minnesota named Sarah West that threw it a $7 million unanimous Somali fraud conviction today. The jury was unanimous. threw it out? And she just threw it out. Yeah.

CNN, it looks like, is now reporting that the one who is dead is the shooter. Or at least that's what my team is telling me. So I'm going to check that out. And again, this is the only thing that I'm seeing. I haven't found anything that's actually confirmed. But there's rumors of them having either actual machine guns or some kind of like something with a switch or something like that. With the story of the shooter right now. Yeah.

Yeah. And the judge also, I saw the picture of that judge, the one that was in Minnesota, she looks like she's 20s. Yeah. I'm like, what is this the judge that threw out this conviction? So very young looking lady, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So the shooter was dead.

The shooter was confirmed dead at the scene, according to two law enforcement officials that spoke with CNN. And at least seven people, including the two cops, were injured. So that is what is known so far. The two officers are in stable condition. With that many people injured, it makes me think that there was a fully automatic gun. Well, I mean, when you look at, let me say if I can pull up some of the images. Because when you look at the images, I think, I'm just trying to, I'm just trying to,

to make sure I have these right. Just so you know, machine guns are illegal. This is, this does not look like, I mean, I think this is why some, it may just be a lot of cops. It may be because,

maybe because cops were shot, but I think the reason the story popped off is because there's something behind it. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like maybe full auto, maybe gang related, maybe refugee,

how everyone describe it, related. Triple nine. Triple nine? Code for a cop shot. Oh, is that what it? Oh, you learn something new every day. Yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah, you're doing a show on murders.

Yeah, it's, and I do them, I try to do them all in a minute, but some stories you've got to do the extra minute. But I would say that 90% of them have been, in illegal alien that wasn't supposed to be here, that already had crimes in the country they came from. I would say that it's people that had been in jail already and been tossed out by a left judge and put back on the streets. and we've had the one of them the most jarring one this recently this last week was a seven-year-old who was duct taped in a closet by three men that were women that were supposed to be the father of the mothers brutal story brutal waterboarded everything and uh

he killed him right killed him and you know and there's tape we were able to get all the tape of him with his grandparents and he'd said to them I don't want to go back there so all the signs are there and it was just it's It's brutal. A seven-year-old kid. And there's stories like that. Constantly, you can go online and just find them. So that's murder in a minute.

And, you know, what I do is I kind of, I want to have a point of saying that the mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent. Yes. So I put a face. That's really true. A face on the innocent to these horrific crimes. And I have a gentleman named Tom Mabes, a exec producer. He's got five million followers. And he's genius with editing these things.

and it's making a difference because a friend of yours who saw it and called me. In fact, I can say his name, Jack's Possevic, and he said, this show is amazing. Yeah. So I'm just kind of getting the word out because it really does make a difference and showing so many, so many innocent lives are being killed by things that should never have happened. Did you, there was, well, obviously there's the Lindsay Clancy case, but this woman in Times Square with the knives. Yeah.

And it's brutal to watch, especially, you know, being. a new dad and this woman, she was a young woman, she just got married, and she just had a baby, she just got back from maternity leave. The Bank of America. And yeah, exactly. And some deranged him with knives just murders her for no reason in Times Square. Yeah, murders, murdered somebody else, too. There was an interesting thing.

But actually, I thought that person wasn't critical. Yeah, critical condition. Did they survive or? No, I do not know. Well, she killed that young woman, which is insane. And there are leftists that are saying that it's fine because she was a VIP at Bank of Bank of America. There's other people that are saying, yeah, that she was a banker. And then there's other people who were saying the police shouldn't have shot the stabber.

I mean, they're going off. They're going off on that. Yeah, they're going off on that. And the police tried to negotiate with her for almost five minutes. They used a taser on her, but she was too fat. So the tasers didn't work. She was doing the knife spin in it. She walked towards them with the knives.

The palm, don't do that. That's when the cops will. The taser didn't work because she was too fat? Yeah. Really? Yeah. If it doesn't hit the muscle, then it's not going to work. I guess that's true.

I know you said mercy to the guilty is what like... Yeah, mercy goes cruelty to the... Cruelty to the answer. But do you think that, like, how brutal should we be on the guilty? You mean in terms of punishment? Yeah. Eye for an eye. I've always said that.

I think I'm all for the death penalty as long as it's not too severe. The reason I don't agree with eye for an eye is because sometimes it's too much and sometimes it's not enough. Yeah, like with the Charlie Kirk thing, it feels like it's not enough. I was watching the hearing yesterday, and the judge did a judge graft did a really incredible job of going through the timeline. You know, everything that they said about the text messages and the surveillance cameras and cell phones and whatever else and all of the different things. He put it like in order. And so if you listen to him, like go in order, I was listening to that and I was just getting more and more angry and he bound him over for trial on all seven counts,

went through, you know, how he was, how the prosecution had made their probable cause case on every single count. And I thought, you know, let's say this guy is found guilty. Let's say they, you know, go through several years of appeals and then they do put him to death. Like, that's not, it's not enough for what was taken from us. Right. Okay. So you're saying is that, so death penalty is not enough because it should be, well, it can't be anything more severe. I'm not even pro death penalty. Right. But I'm looking at this and I'm like, even if you erase this guy from the world, like, it's not enough for what we're taking on.

YouTube has guidelines that severely limit what we're allowed to say. I was just thinking about it. No, no, I'm talking about beyond the idea of going beyond. Personally, I think that when it comes to things like, you know, if you're hurting children or what have you, I don't think that the death penalty is, is. severe enough, I think that I'm going to stop talking because you two This is where, this is where, like, religion comes in pretty well.

Because you can imagine, like, you can imagine the kind of torture that would be medieval thing. Broken on the wheel. You know, by perhaps another creature being. You ever see the one where they have the guy, they have

like a metal spike and they grab his arms and legs and pull him down. Yeah. Oh my God. They did, yeah. And then there was a medieval drawing, medieval torture devices. There was this Romanian guy that had the right idea. I don't think that's real. Are you talking about Vlad, the impaler? Yeah, Transylvania.

I'm pretty sure those things are not real. It's Romanian. It's part of Romania. Technically, the Rack. The Romanians would say that, but Vlad was harsh. Do you guys think that we should implement racking for criminal? You know what that is? What about the stock?

You can put you on the rack? Yeah, you have a wrench and you can you crank it and it pulls their arms and legs and rips their joints. Libby, for lesser offenses, the stocks are good because it's embarrassing. No one's embarrassed of their stupid behavior anymore. Everyone just owns it now. Everyone's like, what? I did it.

I don't know. I can't even think of stupid things. But like, people just like do dumb stuff. They go around stabbing people. They go around shooting people. And then they're like, yeah, I did these things. Stabbing and shooting, no.

But like Tim's idea of like. The people that go in into like a Burger King and tear it all up. Those people should be in stocks. But if that kind of behavior doesn't. embarrass you? How would the stocks? No, because they get attention on the internet. But Tim's idea about like how to handle gangbangers in Chicago, we're like,

we're like, no, no. He was talking about, he was talking about like making him like crawl through Chicago wearing Yeah, that's a crazy idea. Baby bonnets and diapers. Yeah, baby bonnets and diapers, that kind of stuff. That's good for like small time stuff. Okay, you guys say, okay, this story just happened

I think last week. The 15 year old kid in Detroit, you see him walking into the, going out of the side of the convenience store and a African-American woman walks in and a white woman comes behind her, he just takes the gun and shoots her in the head. Have you seen? So that's going to be one of the shows we're working, we're editing just to get it. And so 15, he's going to be tried as an adult, according to what I hear.

But once again, why waste it? It's like me personally, I don't think this good, this guy can't be saved. Well, I mean, who shoots? And you take them off the streets not to punish them, but to protect the rest of society, just like you said. Mercy to that guy is actually cruelty to the whole rest of society because all of the people that he may injure in the future, that he's actually likely to injure in the future because recidivism is very, very high. If you're 15 years old and you do do such a heinous act like that, get him off the streets forever.

You know how in the courtrooms, the prosecutors, the defense, they always try to paint a picture. They do a crime like the Oji thing. They say, okay, at this night, he had the knife and he did this. I just think they should just have a prosecution if they had a new division in courts where they had a film division where you make the actual believable movie to see a jury. So there being no, you know, sometimes you have compassion from people online on Twitter or that, like for the Clancy, they, uh, Lindsay Clancy, I think so many things are said about people watching on Instagram or on X or Twitch, whatever it is, that they give her compassion.

Yeah. If you reenact something with an actual film crew, and you do it. And you show, if they're allowed, you show it and go, this is what happened. And, you know, people cry at movies. You could get the emotions from a jury. So you could use AI to build a hypothetical, this is what we think happened. Maybe that'll happen. No, no, this is what we think happened.

And they show another alternate possible thing. And it's like, which one's going to be more convincing? But the problem is you could get people's emotions fired up. Right. Well, let's jump to the Lindsay Clancy story. And then we'll keep going on this stuff. We got this from NBC News. Lindsay Clancy jury ends fifth day of deliberation still deadlocked.

Judge could declare a mistrial. So once again, there is no decision from the jury. I also want to stress that the reporting that two jurors were wearing pink is fake news. We actually said that on this show that is not correct. Apparently one older lady was wearing pink and some other one was wearing coral pants. And then someone said, they're wearing pink. That proves it. If they were wearing like the pink sweaters, maybe that would make sense.

It's not like a, you know, it's like a thin, you know, over, not like a thick sweater, but like a thin one, maybe. But it's looking like this is going to be a hung jury and this woman is going to be released. It is mind-blowing, in my opinion, reading. If you just go to threads.com and read what these women are writing, they are insane people. So we are going to see a woman who admittedly murdered her kids likely get off. If there's a mistrial, they may not even try again. It's why I asked you in the earlier segment about the, like, what level of brutality should we exact on criminals is because, like, what I really am concerned with when crime happens or when evil happens is how can we make the world better after the fact? And sometimes smashing the villain into paste isn't necessarily going to make the world a better place.

Because it does make the world a better place because you take the dangerous individual out of society where they can go and hurt people. But the point is getting them, the point is, whether it be, whether it be actual death. penalty or just putting them away forever. The point is to get them out of normal society because they don't function in normal society the way that we expect people to function. And that is how you protect normal people. It's not about, it's not about, you know, the criminal. I don't, honestly, when I think of, like, of punishment for crimes and stuff like that,

I don't believe that there's a whole lot of, you know, if you're a repeat offender, if you've got multiple crimes, put them away forever. I was studying, watch this documentary on medieval life and what it would be like walking a road in medieval times and the people you might run into. Some of them were called outlaws. And that was a legal term that the judges would decide you've committed so many crimes, you didn't show up. We're now declaring you outlaw. You're outside the law. People can do whatever they want to you.

You're like a wild animal now. And they'd get. And so we stopped doing that to people. We stopped stripping them up there. So like people don't get kicked and slaughtered on the street and out in the open because that doesn't make the world better. No, but taking them off the street. Taking them off the street. Putting them in jail makes the world better.

Sometimes. I mean, I think that it would make the world better for Lindsay Clancy to be locked up for the rest of her life, including in a perhaps psychiatric institution. And medieval times. I agree. I think she should go to a psychiatric institution because those are worse than jails. And it's not, it's about making sure everyone knows we enforce our laws. If she's released, how many women are going to be like, well, now I know how to kill kids have

ever want to. And you've already seen other circumstances. You saw, what was it like a woman who was saying, who shot her 11-month-old just recently in the face and killed him to prevent the father from getting custody. Just today, there's a case in Ohio, and the circumstances are not entirely clear, but a two-year-old was found dead in a home where the mother was trying to kill herself at the same time, and she was carted off. So we're going to see copycats if this kind of thing is permitted because you're going to have stupid idiot women who have absolutely no very very very very very values or principles or moral foundation, thinking that if they just go a little dotty from too much liquor and valium or whatever it is, the kids are taken these days, then they're

going to be able to get off and just do whatever and they're going to be freed from what they see as the miserable burden of raising their children. And I've never been in favor of, like, you know, you need to prove that you can have a child, but like no one should impregnate women like that. So if there's a mistrial, she just walks. Is that what's happening? The thing is, if there's a mistrial, if there's a hung jury. Yes. The prosecutors can say we want to retrial and they can perhaps keep holding her in a, in the hospital, like, mental facility where she is. And if she were found not guilty by reason of insanity, that's where she would remain is basically in this mental hospital. But I'm saying.

If she was found not guilty by reason of sanity, she goes free. No, if she's found guilty, I believe what they said is then she stays in a mental hospital. That's if they determine she is still presently insane. And because the argument is postpartum psychosis, that would mean she is no longer postpartum, ergo. She was crazy then. She's not crazy now. I think I believe I heard the judge saying that she would be committed to a psychiatric facility. Then that's the judge's discretion to do.

Right. That's the point. Right. Yeah. And I think he's basically saying, like, we're not going to let her go. But when you argue insanity, what these people are trying to do is they're trying to say, I was crazy then, but I'm okay now. So therefore, that crime is excused,

and you can't put me in a psych ward because I'm not crazy anymore. Well, it's Arrino Zarutska, the killer. They claim he's not going to trial because they said he's insane. It's not going to, if it's a, there'll be a retrial, I think. I think they'll do it because I just think

they're going to redo it. They did Phil Spector. And he got found guilty after that. I think they should try. I don't move, by the way, I know also Phil Specter, Phil. Once again, don't hang around Kato. I think that first degree might have been the wrong charge.

Because if she was truly out of commission, like, hopped up on psychiatricks at her doctor's discretion, like, maybe it's a manslaughter. They did give a lesser charge for the jury to pick, though. The judge said that the jury could consider manslaughter. But the prosecution also argued that it was first degree murder. And they made a rather compelling case about how she went about doing this thing, getting her husband out of the way, planning for this whole crime. She was Googling stuff about murder and stuff. Yeah, I mean, they made a very compelling argument that she had planned in advance. The two-minute Colombo episode.

Not just, yeah, not just to kill her children, but to kill herself. Yeah. And then, you know, and the arguments about how she didn't have help, she had a nanny. She had 18 months maternity leave. Her husband worked from home. Her in-laws were around and supportive. Her parents were around and supportive. They've been so supportive that they both quit their jobs or whatever it was that they were doing.

They're up there in Massachusetts all the time supporting her. They've raised over a million dollars on a go fund me for their living expenses so they can keep supporting their child killer daughter, their daughter who killed their grandchildren. So when you look at how the prosecution laid out the case, I mean, I've heard people say, oh, they didn't do a great job or whatever. But when I listened to it, because I watched a bunch of this case with Hannah Nightingale, actually. we were watching it, you know, at the post-millennial every day. It looked pretty, it looked premeditated to me. All I can say, the only thing I want to hear where you guys started to say is that if those were somebody else's kids that she killed, she'd already be in prison.

It would already be convicted and it would be over with. But for some reason, because they're her kids, it's a little bit less bad. Like, it should be worse. I agree with you, but I think the only, I think the only reason should be in prison is because you'd have a separate aggrieved party. Yeah. So the other family would be a lot. lobbying, complaining, and have supporters.

Because it was her own kids, she's pulling the, oh, but I was suffering as a woman, and she's getting women supporters. Like the children have no champion to speak for them. It's horrifying. Obviously, she should be in prison, the psycho. Like, no offense, lady, but you read the transcript. You did that to yourself. The island.

Yes, the island for Lindsay Clancy, and with no wheelchair. We're all around. At least some time away from society with no drugs in your system. The island is a hypothetical prison camp where we just drop you off and leave. It's actually, it's Kafka. It's with Leo DiCaprio, right? No, no, no, there's facilities on that island. Our hypothetical half joke is that for the most evil of individuals, we kick them off to an island and we just leave and say, you live.

No toilet paper. No, no, no, no. When we say the island, we're saying drop them off somewhere and forget about it. I think that's a great. It's almost the ubleet. The banishment, the banishment. We're talking more banishment than Ubliette. Okay, actually, actually, I,

Lindsay Clancy Ubliette? A double Ubliette. I'm okay with it. Just forget? That's where they throw you in a hole. Naccio Memorier. It's like a sewer, right? How does a bar move from? You remember Susan Smith, drawing new kids?

Yeah. And then there was a, there was a bar, that was years ago. I don't think there was so much sympathy. Before there, there was a, the woman who was a song, hungry, like the wolf, the one who killed, there's Casey Anthony. When did the bar?

become acceptable. When does this happen? Because of social media, the bar became acceptable for someone to murder three kids in midst the killing. Men, men, not for men.

Men go to jail. Men get the death penalty. And this is a point that I actually was hoping I could get to make. There's a lot of people, a lot of women that say, when you say something about, if people are commenting on this,

they're like, oh, you know, well, men kill so many more, blah, blah, blah. And that's true. Men are more violent than women. But men do not get in line to defend the man that killed him. Men say, put him in jail forever, if they're kind, if they're gentle, if they're not, you know, saying, you know, off with his head or whatever.

Because most men are like he did what? Well, you'll have men that end up in jail for having sex with a woman who later says that he raped her even though it appeared consensual at the time. So, I mean, there's not a lot of comparison there. That's insane. This whole thing, though, with Clancy, think that there's a couple of things that happened between Susan Smith and now social media is definitely part of it. You know, something Jack calls true crime brain or Instagram brain, I think is part of it. But you also had a feminist movement that simultaneously told women that they were equal under the law better than men and not responsible for their actions because everything was men's fault. It doesn't make any sense. And we also eliminated religion, which

by eliminating religion from our society, we left morality in the hands of just law. as opposed to something that has a higher power behind it. And I think that was a mistake. The thing that Libby outlines is a real serious problem in society. Because women hate men now, specifically younger women, have a really, really negative outlook on men, particularly women on the left, Democrats and stuff, have a very, very, very negative outlook on men. Men don't share those feelings. They have a general kind of, you know, well, you know, women are this way, blah, blah,

blah. Some men are, you know, I guess, misogynistic. There are some men that actually hate women. Usually it's because of something that's happened to them. But women, more broadly, think that the reason they can't, they're not successful and they're not a CEO with babies and why they don't have, you know, all of the things that their heart desires is because of some man somewhere. They hate men. But when they think of men, they're either thinking of, like, the president. And I'm not talking about Donald Trump. I'm just talking about, like, the president as a concept. or their dad. It's not men, it's people, because women are subject-oriented and men are object-oriented. So men tend to see their obstacles as something, a thing to overcome, and women tend to see their obstacles as people in their way. I was referencing a poll that I saw of women that were young, middle-aged, and older, and young women.

I think the underlying issue is that in, so there's this chart that I posted where it shows various college courses by gender. Computer science is 81% male. English lit is 80% female. Showing that men and women have different motivations. Women are very motivated by the human experience, men very motivated by binary goals. In the middle is political science, which is 50-50. Now, the funny thing is, a cursory glance, somebody of low-ordered thinking, or who's not thinking very deeply, you could be smart and just kind of not care. Make the assumption, men and women are interested in political science. That's technically true, but there's an underlying facet to the male and female experience. Women are motivated by motivated towards political

science because of the human element. Men are motivated towards political science because of the structural element. Even when men and women are focused on the same subject, it's for completely different reasons. I think maybe that's why the United States government was formed by men and because of that, it's not about who's in charge. It's about how it runs. the revolution of the United States government's phenomenal, that you can revolve the system every four years and put new people in. It's like a trust-faith system built by men.

Not that women didn't have anything to do with it, but it was specifically built by men. It was not about the king. It was not about the individual man. Even George Washington knew it was not about him. It was not about how you felt. It was about the function of the system. Very cold.

The women who did have something to do with it were the wives of the men who were creating the system who served as sound terms. boards like Abigail Adams, you know? They were pretty badass. I mean, but like, you know, but like John Adams bounced ideas off Abigail. They had a great relationship.

But like these were primarily young men who were taking a big risk in creating a government. And I think it's unbelievable the amount of talent that was put in that room. Do you know what I mean? And I don't think that it's any knock on women at large to say that men founded this country and they did a damn good job of it. Yeah, well, the problem, part of the problem is there are. There are a lot of women nowadays that would say, well, you know, look at all the negative things that have happened and they would focus on, on, you know, the fact that women. Women got to raise those men. Women got to raise those boys into men who became good men who did an amazing thing, you know? I mean, I feel like I like my career or whatever. Like, you guys know, I'm such a dork. Like my favorite thing is raising my son. I look at him and I'm like, wow, I think I'm raising a good man. Like, yay, you know? I mean, what is better than that?

you think many people women think like you think I have a bunch of friends that think that way yeah you're for you're yeah and there's the then you can't believe that there's I don't have that many friends either so women are being lied to what's the what was it saying about women are lied to men are lied about man the whole it's been about 20 years

this fracturing of the sexes and I don't know what caused that to start it maybe internet video maybe that enthusiasm what's that the people who the population bomb the people who think that the earth is on track for overpopulation so they to stop people from breeding Funny though, they only stop people from breeding in Western countries and high IQ countries in Asia. I remember in 2007 sitting out in this backyard with this girl that I loved and we were talking about having kids and I was like, I want to wait till I have money because I want to be able to carry them around the world with me.

She was like, okay. And we never just felt like. Terrible idea. Don't wait until you have money, have kids, you'll figure it out. You can carry them around the world without any money. Yeah. Like there have been like populations. There's never been a population that's as. wealthy and successful as the population of America. Poor people in America are fat. And people

used to have tons of kids with far less means than we have today. Don't wait to have kids, have kids now. Yes, that's always that. I remember very distinctly I had a friend years ago. Hold that. Hold on one. And don't say, oh, Phil, you're 50 and you just had your first kid. Yeah, I know. But I was married before and she couldn't have kids. So like we tried. So go, anyways, go ahead. No, I had this, I had this friend. And she, she was the first. first one of our group to have kids. And it was in, we were in our early 20s or whatever. And she got married and she was really happy and everything. And she started having kids. And we were like, aren't you a little young to have kids? And she was like, there's never a right time to have

kids. Just have a bunch of kids now. I feel like it has been baked into like a younger generation that you do have to be successful first and then have kids later. Which sort of tells people that having children is not a measure of success. And I think having children is a measure of success. Agreed. I come from family of seven. So all I'm a lot of It was really. That's so cool. In Wisconsin, family seven. My mom was a nurse.

Did that, made every one of our lunches. And when you're a kid, you don't even realize that's no big deal. Did the laundry, did everything. And my dad worked too. So it was like, oh, my God. And you realize later and left, you go, how did we have? How did you do all this stuff? I was a bunk bed brother.

That's the thing kids don't know. Where are you in the lineup? Second youngest. Nice. Second youngest. So my parents passed away. But my God, I just think about, my mom did it. My mom did all these things, and she's gone now.

I go, it's pretty incredible that I don't know of the generation now because I date younger. But they have no concept of that. It's just there's no concept of having to do all those things. My kid's almost a year old. He has no idea how much money I have or don't have. The kids don't care. When you're growing up, you don't notice that kind of stuff. If your parents are taking care of you, if your parents love you and your family's there.

There's food on the table. Your clothes are clean. You know, it's like, it's all good. Like, you don't even start getting to the point where you're like, oh, Tommy has this. And I don't until you're like five, six, seven years old. And maybe when you're in your teens, you're like, oh, man, we're poor. You know, like, maybe. Or like, I wish my parents got me a better car.

I was a bad kid. I had a bar boyer crossed my crib. So it was always training. It's probably a good idea. You know, Kate, it was the barbeder. Probably when you're young, like, all I thought was this is, all dads are like that and all moms are like that. When I'd see other kids, they'd be like, well, their mom and dad.

is like mine because that's like you're saying Phil it was just this is what is normal this is what is but then now we have internet video and kids when they're eight can see other families before you're like in your family and that's it and you only go out when you're let out and then now you can watch TV and be like hey that's not like my dad al Bundy is that what a dad's supposed to be and you see all this just manipulation through media I remember I wanted my family to be like the Cosby show and then eventually they sent Bill Cosby to jail thank goodness they weren't J-Lo My family's kind of like

No J-lo You guys watch home improvement Yeah Tim the tool in the dad's Tim My mom is just like that mom In the show Three boys in the family Cool-ass neighbor Louis

Spray us with the hose and shit You ever see his face? Yeah I did Who was the tool time girl Anyway All the hot chick As my mom That's my friend

A friend of my parents A friend of my parents Shout out to Kim I'm maybe you're listening right now The baby so I love you Kim Yeah she was hot So it really was just like home improvement.

It was a lot like that show. My mom actually sent the studio a story about what happened with our family that we did something one time. They wanted to make a show out of it. And they're like, well, thanks, but we don't accept solicitations, but thank you for the- And then a year later, it was in the show. I wish I could remember what episode it was. Yeah, that's what she says. I love that.

So I kind of, but it was like I was wanted to become, I wanted it to be real. So I kind of acted towards that becoming a reality. So that's dangerous for kids if they see shitty TV shows and they kind of force their way. Like my brother's name is Max and we used to get this book read to us called Where the Wild Things Are. Oh yeah.

And the main character's Max and he's this little son of a bitch. He used to read that to my son all the time. And then he tells his mom he's going to eat her up and it's like she sends him to dinner without or just bed without dinner. And then Max, my younger brother who was like three is being read this story night after night. He starts to become this character

and he becomes this wild man. And so all of my teen years he was like a not angry but like wild dude. And I think it was because of the media, the book, in addition to other things, but that book... It, like, gave him a story to tell himself that wasn't a good story. Mm-hmm.

You really need to guard children's brains or guide their brains or something. Mm-hmm. You've got to guide them. I think Dahmer read that book. It's a guide. It's a guy. Eating what?

Let's carry on this conversation. We'll jump to the story from... This is K-R-CR TV. Massachusetts woman accused of photographing jurors in Lindsay Clancy trial. This is how insane people are getting. A woman whose name is, and I kid you not, Dawn Light, is that a real name? Yeah, there was a lot of bonds when I was a kid and I grew up around there. She was charged with aggravated intimidation of a juror. Apparently, she went to where they were parking. Troopers assigned surveillance and security were alerted by a court officer. Someone may have been

filming jurors and an employee parking lot. Police prosecutor said Light's vehicle was facing a restricted area where jurors could be seen. Now, there's a video of this woman running through a parking lot with the press surrounding her as she giggles and laughs. I'm sorry, these women are psychotic. There was too many of them. And this is why they had the Salem witch trials. So Dawn Light, 56 years old, Sutton Mass. She's a retired nurse. I actually watched her entire arraignment today. So she was in this parking lot. She was accused of filming jurors. The Massachusetts Stadies came in and they looked at her phone. She handed it over Willowell. They checked out her footage.

She did have footage of jurors. And she had been filming them in the parking lot where she was filming them behind the court is actually restricted to the public. It's where the jurors go in and out. It's where the lawyers go in and out and all like that. So she wasn't supposed to be there at all. No one's supposed to be back there. So that was already a red flag for the cops that showed up. And then during the arraignment, what was interesting, the prosecution asked for $50,000 bail.

And her attorneys were like, she doesn't have it. she was on the first floor of the Plymouth County courthouse. Clancy is being tried on the third floor. So it was interesting. She was in the building. But what her attorney said was that she was not trying to photograph the jurors, but she was trying to get a photograph of Clancy. Yeah.

Isn't it ironic that she's going to be a heavier penalty than Lindsay Clancy? That is crazy. Isn't that crazy? That's why you're going to. It might be a hung, a jury and that this woman's going to get a $50,000 fine and possibly 20 years in prison. And that just shows you crazy things are. I'm going to pull up threads.com.

And to be fair, I understand how algorithms work. But this is what it's been recommending to me. Okay, I pulled it up. I did not search for anything. Here's, we are 100% watching an innocent woman being framed. The only caveat I would add below is that it wasn't really Patrick at CVS. It was his doppelkanger. Was some guy that looked just like him?

Who wasn't on the 911? They're posting. AI images as that it's wild. Oh look, another one. Trending. Lindsay Clancy. Threads is dominated by Lindsay Clancy Trent. Well, mine was Neil Patrick Harris said that Ben Stiller helped him realize he was gay. That's what came up in

my threads. Oh, that's a better threat. If the Commonwealth actually proved beyond a reasonable doubt that Lindsay physically killed all three children, she said she did. She discussed it for years with a, I believe, a psychologist or a psychiatrist. So that's not really in dispute. Yeah. And

If you look at the, there's a transcript of the 911 call that Patrick made going around, and it is absolutely brutal. It's really, really, I just read it. First he runs to the aid of his wife, and then he realizes what happens. I mean, obviously, like, I think it, like, he's like my buddy and I'm like, because I call, you know, my kid buddy all the time. And I'm just like, I'm going to play this. They're not able to handle it. Let's play this clip. I want to talk about the presumption of innocence and the burden of proof.

Once again, the indictments again. against Ms. Clancy are only an accusation. They're not evidence. The defendant has denied that she's guilty of the crimes charged in these indictments. The law presumes the defendant to be innocent of the charges against her. This presumption of innocence is a rule of law. So what they've done basically is because she's claiming she's not guilty because she's nuts. They are taking this and it says to anyone saying she admitted to committing the crimes, here's proof straight from the judge. No, he's saying she's claiming because she's crazy. She's not guilty. But of course, this is what these people do.

Oh, man. Oh, what is this? Not guilty of the way they're classifying what she did. She's not saying she didn't do it. Look at this stuff that they're making. Is this real? This is China. It's got to be China.

I don't believe for a minute. You know what it is? They're trying to get us to hate women, okay? I really believe everything in me that Lindsay is innocent, the timeline, the DNA. Nothing makes sense. And look at what they made. Dude, if there's a... These beautiful angels are watching over their mama.

This is rage bait from China. I don't believe it anymore. I'm done. That's really bizarre that they did that and got the pictures of the kids with that. What's the other one? Is it different? Yeah. What's the other one?

How did she? Justice for Cora Dawson and Lindsay? Oh my God. She took them. She took them each into the basement one by one. She started with the middle child. She strangled him to death with an exercise band. And he was the child who in Facebook posts she said was the most difficult child that she had the most trouble with.

And then she killed the older one. her daughter and then she killed the baby. She strangled them with exercise. She strangled them with exercise bands. And one thing that is also crazy, she took a phone call while she was strangling them from her husband who said he thought that the kids, that she was just giving them a bath

and that that's what he heard on the phone. She took a call. Yeah. Where he was confirming with her which medication to get at CVS. The middle one was the most difficult. This goes to a, another common topic is like males are definitely different than females, men are different

than even a boy. It's just that she was used to a daughter and she had a son. Mm-hmm. He was, man, poor little guy. Just, yeah, the mind of killing one and then, and she's got to, she's saying to her, I mean the person's saying to himself, I have a goal, I've got to do it all. I know it's going to be, I just, it's just like, you hard to fathom that she did it to her. that came out of her womb

and she's the exercise band killing three. How do you block that out? Do you go on to the next one? So, yeah. How does anybody have compassion for her? I'm sorry. I have no idea.

It's shocking. You know, hearing it from you just to say the exercise ban and how does the jury not... Well, it's just like Chris Watts, but it seems like it's kind of worse. What's Chris Watts? He killed his two daughters and then he like stuffed them in an oil pipe.

Tried to get away with it. Oh, yeah, I remember that. Oh, she didn't try. Did she turn herself in? No. She tried to get away with it by killing herself. And then when she, but it was superficial wounds with a knife. They found the knife on her bedside table next to a wine tumbler that said,

because kids on it. If she had been. And then she tried to throw herself out the window and she ended up paralyzed. And it was a butter knife. Oh, she's paralyzed right now? Yeah. Was it really? Oh, man.

It was like a, you know, it was like a, I'm cutting onions kind of knife. And she probably gabs it on Google of where to hit certain parts of your body. They won't have. Who knows? But, because you were mentioning there were stuff on the computer. She Googled, Googled things like, you know, I don't remember specifically, but they were related to murder, related to psychosis. Like, if she had been ordered to do this under duress, because I've been listening to Vietnam vets come back and talk about the massacres they implemented while they were there under orders. and I could have a forgiveness.

I could understand like in a more time you're commanded to do something, you think it's the enemy, you do it. You carry it out, you finish the job, you kill everything that moves. It's a horrible lifestyle. You want to read that one, Phil? She just did this of our own free will.

We're supposed to believe all women when they claim they were raped or sexually harassed, but not when they admit to murdering their children. I mean, look, this is, this really has produced a lot, first of all it's produced a lot of really, really, I don't want to say funny,

but good memes. And it does a terrible disservice to women in general. Oh, it's terrible. Yeah. It's terrible. It's, okay, so the Me Too movement, I thought was absolutely terrible because it was infantilizing women. It was like saying, oh, if you sleep with somebody and then the next day you decide you

didn't want to, you can say that you were raped. And I watched people that I knew who had told me stories about relationships they had or whatever. I watched them change their stories in real time to say that they were coerced or whatever. And I was like, look, you know, he took you to dinner, you got the lobster, you went home with them, you thought that that was a fine trade. Now you don't.

That's not rape, you moron. Like you ate the lobster. Like you made a deal. That's, it's, you can make deals. You're a grown up. You get to do that. It's fine. You know what I mean?

Like maybe you wish you hadn't, but wishing that you hadn't done something that now goes against, that like goes against your moral code means, you know, assess yourself. Don't start lashing out at other people. And there's this thing to you that I think, we don't talk about, which I was actually talking to Jack about the other day, like the, the feminine heroine's journey, right, versus the masculine hero's journey. And, you know, we had similar but different perspectives on it, but he was saying that one thing that is sort of a constant in the female hero's journey is to, is the maintenance of the feminine virtue, right? Maintenance

of the feminine virtue. So you have a situation where you have women who want to be perceived in a virtuous way. who act in non-virtuous ways. And then in order to, in an attempt to maintain other people perceiving them as virtuous, they make up lies about men. Like, that's why there was a case, what was it, like the junior hockey players in Canada, and this woman, like, banged all the hockey players. Yeah, I heard about that. And then it was found out that she banged all the hockey players.

Is it bung or banged? Hucked. It's hucked. I don't know. I'm not, you know, I'm not Canadian. I don't know. I don't count it'll speak Canadian. But anyway, she like banged all the hockey players.

They had her on video consenting to it because they were like, this is crazy. Is she really into it? And she was like, yeah, I'm totally going to bang all hockey players. And then she said that they raped her because people found out about it. And she didn't like that her dad and other people saw her as non-virtuous. Basically is the story. And I think that that happened with me too, right? Like you had all of these cases.

There was like foreign correspondence in Italy and they were all hanging out. and whatever. Like, there's so many of these cases and you look at it and you're like, girl, like, get right with yourself. You made some decisions. You wish you hadn't. You know, with a cure for that

is make different decisions next time. That's what you can do. And when I say, you know... Don't infantilize all women because you're an idiot. When I say women are ridiculous, generally women are ridiculous and silly, I'm the bad guy. Like, I never said you were the bad guy, Phil.

No, no, I'm not talking about you personally because you are not generally silly that's crazy like own yourself people that's what equality means there's another thing with speaking of mothers and their love for sons this this just happened also with the the kid who killed his girlfriend said the demons made him do it do it knifeed it and the mother cleans up the what was that story that was that's that's that's i'm going to do a story on that one for murder maybe demons did make him do it well maybe maybe he doesn't mean he doesn't go to jail you know the mom's the one that helped him clean up the and then he drove away with the rubber

Here's a question for you, Libby. If your kid killed somebody, would you help him cover it up and try and keep him out of jail? You know, I don't know. I know, that's a tough question, right? It's a tough question because also I am like a quarter Sicilian, so we have that. I'm going to get a little racism in here, Libby? It's a little. You never go up against a Sicilian when death is on the line.

Is that in a movie? That should be in a movie. That is literally the Princess Brideport. Oh, that's right. No wonder. I think that question is it depends on what was done. Yeah. What was the killing?

Yeah. Yeah, like there are certain things that I think I would probably protect my child over. And there are certain things that I absolutely would not. You know what I mean? It's like it's such a fascinating case when you look at Robinson, right? Because Robinson's parents saw him on their surveillance footage and they were like, oh, no, that's our son. Yeah.

And they reached out to him and they encouraged him to turn himself in. and I think they did the right thing. So here's a question for you. Here's a question for, do you have any kids? Yeah. So there's a question for... My God, she's in the car. I'll be right back.

Here's a question for the parents in the room. I think, Ian, that's just you. Oh, yeah, all right. I'll give you the outside perspective. If your kid went to the mall with some friends, was meeting up with some friends. And then when they were leaving, backed up and hit a vehicle.

panicked and that, like damaged it, panicked and drove home, parked the car in the driveway, ran in the house and went in their room. Then you hear a knock on the door. It's the police. You answer the door and they say, sir, is that your vehicle in the driver? We say, yes. They say, well, that vehicle's on camera in a hit and run. And you knew it was your kid.

Would you say that was me? 100%. I would turn. Of course I would. Because first I'm Catholic guilt. Immediately, I'd say, yeah, that's our. No, no, no. Would you say you did it?

Oh, if I did it. Would you say, no, my kid did it? No, I would say the kid did it. How old does it matter? How old does it matter? How old does it matter? No, but they can't see on camera who it was. They just know all of them was the eagle.

I would say the- Would you take the fall? No. What about you, Libby? No. I don't answer the door. I was going to say, I'd say come back with a warrant. Okay, the cops show up with a warrant.

Okay. Oh, come on. With the warrant. And they say, we have a warrant. As a rule, I know when I answer my door. And so they kick the door in. So they kicked the door and would I take the fall for the kid? Was anybody hurt?

No. Then no. It's just a hit and run. That kid's going to learn. That kid's going to learn. Then I think I would, I think I would, I think I would work with them and, you know, the kid would pay for it. Yeah. Yeah. Hit and run can be serious charges.

Well, if you're backing up into somebody's car. Like it was an accident. But instead of staying to figure it out, they panicked and flood. I guess so it's like, you know, $1,000 of the damages, but hit and run's hit and run. If nobody's hurt, then I think I'd... You guys are sitting here talking about the letter of the law and like punishing criminals and like even the idea that you might protect your kid if he's a criminal is complete insanity. I literally...

I literally said that kid's going to learn. I'd be like, boy, get out here. And like, the nepotistic will to cover up crimes of your family is insane to me. No, I think it's completely... It's totally... Maybe violent crime is one thing. I don't care about a lot of... white collar crime. If you cover up, you're also

part of the crime then. You can, you're going to risk yourself going to go ahead. But that's not the hypothetical we're asking. So we don't need to play semantic games. The point is, would you take the fall for your kid if you could on a relatively minor crime? Oh, that kid's going to learn. Not for a minor crime. This is a teaching moment. I'd be more like, I'd be more

like to take the fall on a major crime than a minor crime. So I might. It depends on the circumstances, but I might. Because I don't want my kid to go to jail for a year, which would destroy their life. I'm old. I can handle a year in jail. Sending your kids a year, depending if they're a teenager, a juvie, could destroy their lives.

And if they're 18 or 19, it could seriously destroy their lives. Would it make a difference if you had a son versus a daughter? Because Phil and I both have sons. I wouldn't know, but I would presume it wouldn't matter one way or the other. I think if I had a daughter, I would definitely take the fall. So if the damage, so here's, I'm using Virginia as an example because that's like, I could use Maryland, Virginia. With no real damage, it's a ticket.

So if you like scrape the car and it's like there's no dent or anything, that is a $250 fine. If the damage is $250 to $1,000, this is a class one misdemeanor where you can receive up to a year in jail and a $25,00 fine. And if the damage is over $1,000, it's a felony, which is one to 10 years in prison. So if your kid Damaged the side of the car causing $1,001 in damage Panicked, nobody's hurt, flees, the police show up and say

This is serious, it's over $1,000 worth of damage Your kid committed a whoever was driving committed a felony. Who did it? Now I guess to be fair, you could just be like The car must have been driving itself. It's a Tesla, I don't know. Because they can't really prove who did it at that point.

So it may just fall on you unless you rat your kid out. So it's your car. They say your car did it. I guess technically it would say they would compel you to say who is driving the car. I guess, put it like this way. If your kids facing one to ten years in prison, are you going to take the fall for them or not? I don't think so. I don't think so. If it's if it's a crime like that, nonviolent crime, I don't think so. And I use this example because this happens a lot, actually. I don't know what I'm saying it has. happens like every day. But a 16-year-old kid backs into a car, doesn't know what to do, panics, thinks they're going to get in trouble. So instead of stopping and calling it in or waiting for the

owner, they leave. And then actually, I use the example because a similar story happened to a friend of mine who was at a mall, backed into a car when he was like, he was like 17, drove home, was caught on camera, the cops got the license plate, got to the address, and then knocked in the door. In this instance, though, they said, said, don't worry, there's no crime. They just want you to give the insurance information. We understand the kid freaked out. We're not really worried about it.

And everyone was like, oh, very cool. Thank you. But using that as a hypothetical, would you take the fall on a felony charge? Or have your kid, hey, you did it. If you protect him once, he's going to do it if it's a felony, that kid very likely going to do that again. No. You don't think so?

We're talking about an accident and a panic. Yeah. We're not talking about someone who's like, I'm going to ran this guy. Not a violent felony. Because nonviolent is really where if it's a violent thing, the kid's going away. If that thing became violent, it's not, it's up to that thing to deal with it. Like that child, that person is like, but. So what about you, Carter?

You wouldn't? You let your son go to prison? It's a minimum of one year in prison. Yeah. I mean, going like, honestly, I'm doing that thing where you're going through all the different possibilities, come back with a warrant. We're going to ask for a lawyer. For the sake of the hypothetical, we know that doesn't matter.

The question is, would you take the fall or let your kid take the felony? I would not take the fall for that. I think it also matters if you have more than one kid. Because like if you go to jail. But I'd do everything I could to get them off. The other ones. Yeah. I'm curious what the viewers think too, though, because I don't know if there's a real answer there.

I think the moral and honest answer is the kid takes responsibility for what the kid did, whatever it may have been. But I do know there's a lot of people who are like, don't know, don't care. my kid's, you know, not going to jail. But it does depend on the crime, because not all crime is evil. To be honest, most of it is a hypothetical. He gave the specifics of the hypothetical. Property damage. The purpose of it was to say it's an accident with no malice.

So no vandalism. But it is a felony. So what if the kid was walking down the street and vandalizing fences? Yeah, absolutely not. That's malicious. That's you go to jail for you. My point is... Would you cover for the kid?

I wouldn't. No, absolutely not. Would you turn the kid in? Maybe. Depending on the circumstances, there's degree, it is a gradient. Depending on the severity of the crime, yes. If it's like, I don't know, spray paint, it's like, are we going to really? You know, it's a couple hundred bucks to fix.

It's bad. I don't know. I'm going to be like, well, I know my kid did. I'm going to go to the police and go say, hey, there was vandalism somewhere. You mentioned earlier a lot of times easier to rectify the situation without getting the law involved, if you can. Like, if you can really teach the kid a lesson, and I'm not talking about spacking them. I'm saying legitimately teach them a lesson somehow through it without it getting a police involved. In the circumstance of malice, they pay the penalty.

Meaning if my kid intentionally committed a crime to destroy or harm others, yes, they're getting locked up. No question. What if they were lighting fires in the backyard and it caught fire and started burning someone's house down? Yeah. Yep. Yeah, that's an intentional action. Well, if they were just playing with gas. Yeah, that's an intentional action you took. Negligence is also your responsibility.

My point about the accidental hit was that there was no intention to do it and panic resulted in them committing a crime. They wouldn't have otherwise committed. And now they might go to prison for a year. And your kid who otherwise is good and just had one accident now could go to prison. And I think that could destroy their life. I mean, look, I know more than enough people from the south side of Chicago who got like two years in juvie. And then when they got in, they got added charges, which then extended and it made everything substantially worse. You get in and then a gang comes and they threaten you.

You get into a fight. Now they add charges. That stuff happens in prison. This is why when I think of crime and rectifying crime, it's less about how hard can we punish the criminal and more about how can we make the world a better place. Because not always throwing the kid, throwing the criminal in jail is not always the way to make the world a better place. But the circumstances that Tim lays out for the hypothetical and the discussion that we're having earlier are just worlds different, like night and day different. You're talking about like earlier we were talking about like murder. And he's talking about an accident. Sure. Accidental murder.

No, accidental murder. A vehicular homicide. Accident. Okay. So now you want to change the topic to something else. Let's modify the equation now. So potentially still an accident. No malicious intent.

But someone died as a result. Does that kid now deserve 30 years in prison? Or do you figure out a way to make this the world a better place somehow? Well, you're not going to be able to skirt a situation. where there was a person that died involved. It's like he's talking about, like the conditions, the situation are so different. So if you want to talk about like if your kid goes out

and gets into a car accident and it's a possible manslaughter because he was driving recklessly and he hits someone else, well, my first thought is, well, my kid's probably in the hospital too because he hit someone's car hard enough for someone to die. So there's, it's just very, very different. Ian, let me ask you this question. Let's say that you have a kid, your hypothetical son, discovers that the private corporation researchers have invented a device that can cure all diseases. And the government sees it saying this is disruptive to the economy and no one can know about it.

But your son, having learned about these classified files through hacking, breaks in the facility to steal the Genesis device, brings it to the public. And then he's in the house, holding the device and there's a knock on the door, would you take the fall for him in that, in that scenario? Do you have any Jews in the house? I might be willing to lie to the authorities for certain crimes that I don't think are ethical. That was the purpose of the question to translate to E&Es. If there was something that you thought the government was doing maliciously and was for evil,

would you take the fall to protect your kid? And what they were doing is the Nazis come to your house and ask if you're hiding Jews and you'd lie to them and save the Jewish person's life? Would you commit a crime for something you thought was morally good? Would you take the fall for a family member who committed a crime if you thought that crime was morally justified? That's a tough question. Well, we're also talking about something else. We're not just talking about would you take the fall for your kid. We're talking about do you trust the society that we live in and do you trust that we have fair and equitable laws or not?

Do you trust our representative democracy? Do you believe that we have a just and fair system of government and jurisprudence? Clearly not anymore. And this is a Lindsay Clancy trial. And this is a question that the answer changes everything, you know? I mean, I used to think that we had that. I think things lately have proven that our judiciary is completely corrupt and backwards. It's all because of that.

You know, and that's an issue. I got a blonde hair, blue-eyed boy. No, I do not trust the court system at all. Not one bit. They're going to throw the book at him. And, you know, and that's that's the, that's. the real question, I think, that this hypothetical speaks to. Yeah.

Well, even with the just system, some, like, jaywalking when there's no cars around, some flock camera picks it up and then the kid goes to, like, what? That's not a crime. Even though it's a crime on paper, there's no cars around. No one was in danger. Well, actually, jaywalking isn't a crime in every jurisdiction. In some circumstances, jaywalking becomes a crime only if you're obstructing the road. Yeah.

But in some places, like in Ferguson, jaywalking is a petty offense where you get a ticket when you do it. I know. And there's no sidewalks or crosswalks in that place, which is what led to a lot of the contention. People got real mad. I think of myself today, I was thinking I'm neutral good. If I was a D&D character, I'm like 65% on the order and chaos scale. I don't know. What do you think, Phil?

I don't think neutral good. Ian? Yeah. He's chaotic neutral. I was thinking chaotic neutral actually. You think of me as chaotic? Oh, God, yes. You said annexed Palestine.

You understand what real chaotic people are like, though? I'm not chaotic. Keotic neutral. That's why you'd be chaotic. I think I'm not chaotic. Changing the subject. I'm not chaotic. And there's no way I tend towards chaos. You argued to annex Gaza.

Well, I brought it up as an inoculation tactic, so I can control the narrative. Because I'm a genius. So, I'm neutral. I know, like, chaos. I don't want. People think that we get mad at Ian when we have this. conversations. Guys, we're laughing. This is the funniest stuff. I'm having a time my life. Dude, I feel

bad sometimes because I laugh at you, but I'm laughing with you. I can tell that laugh because it's high pitch. He's not laughing. I think I'm neutral good. Well, you'd be wrong. You're chaotic neutral. I don't think chaos. Real chaotic people are very dangerous. You've argued in favor of the U.S. military

doctrine around the world. I'd probably in favor of it. Yeah, that's an orderly thing to do. Right. Sometimes you're orderly. Sometimes you're not. That's why you're chaotic. Neutral. Catick neutral. No, no.

There's lawful, neutral, and chaos. Yes. And I tend neutral there. And then there's good, neutral, and evil. And I tend good. So I'm neutral good. I'm not lawful or chaotic. I'm neutral with the law.

Neutral chaotic. Neutral good. I'm neutral with the law. You're arguing good. With morality. I just keep looking at Carter. I think of Christopher walking and the deer hunter. I just don't know like the nomenclature.

of this. Now he's chaotic neutral. Scale. Dude, catac neutral people are. So I'm trying to piece it together. You can't trust them. They'll break the law at will.

They serve themselves. They're not good people. Ian, you're chaotic neutral. I really. Here you go. Don't think so. Yeah, let's pull this up so people know what's a D&D alignment.

So let's give people a general understanding of what this means. And it doesn't really matter if it's the D&D alignment, but ignore D&D. This is an interesting way to a look at how you view people. Lawful good means you're like a white knight. You obey the law and you do your best to help people. Lawful evil is you're a tyrannical dictator. The law is on

your side, but you do it to selfish evil ends. Chaotic good is Robin Hood. He steals from the government to give back to the taxpayer. Are we going to- Chaotic evil is like a supervillain who is just destructive and outside the law but for their personal gain. Ian's chaotic neutral. You're absolutely. You're absolutely Absolutely chaotic neutral. And earlier, you, like, you tried to switch it, like, trying to, like, act like, act like, we don't know what lawful and chaotic in the D&D terms mean. What is everybody?

I want to know what everybody is on the panel. What's Phil? I don't know. Neutral good. Neutral good. What about, what about Carter? Dude, I have no. Cut neutral.

I think we'd all probably fall in neutral good. I don't know. Phil lately has been making me think he's lawful neutral or maybe new. Carter? No, Phil is true neutral. Because the way he says, round them up. Round them all up. Like he's willing to use the law to just smash it up.

That makes me think it's not good. I don't think that's good. It is. I think that's a willingness to do evil to get the job. No. Phil's motivation is so evil is a reference to selfishness and sacrifice of others. Utilitarianism, for instance, is a type of evil. So, no, no, no, no.

I think you're missing. Still a thousand to save a million. You're misunderstanding what this alignment is. Oh, he's doing it on purpose. It's not misunderstanding. I'm the one that brought it up. I know this so well. And why are you sheep?

Good is a reference to helping everyone. Evil is a reference to helping yourself. Well, it's a lot of its perspective, but a lot of it. Yes, but we're talking about an alignment chart, not a perspective on alignment. We're talking about what it's meant to be, what the words mean. So chaotic evil, like a litch, right? Yeah, you don't see a lot of chaotic people in the world. They're usually in prison or dead.

Indeed. Ciotic evil is a litch. They are stealing power outside the system and raising the dead to their own ends. chaotic good is Robin Hood. He's outside the system. He defies the system, but he's doing it to help everyone around him. Perhaps John McAfee, some might argue, or maybe he's a little more chaotic neutral. I don't know how good he was because he'd wave guns around at people and then down there you have lawful. You'd have Hitler in the bottom left. Yes. Hitler is awful. Lawful good is the best. Lawful good is the problem with lawful good is that you will have a dictator, tyrant, saying, for the better of the people, we're going to take all their money. And the lawful good guy says, like, I'm going to try and keep order and do my best. So neutral good. is probably the best to be? It depends. I think neutral good is fairly.

Ciotic good could be considered some of the best. Just depends. Because chaotic good, you're like, I'm going to do good. It doesn't matter that this is illegal what I'm doing. I know that the goal is good. Robin Hood robbed from the government to give to the expert. Or John Brown. And you know what they did?

The propaganda, where they say Robin had stole from the rich to give to the poor, that is communist propaganda. He was stealing the government coffers from the government coffers. from the sheriff to give back to the people the government had stolen the money from. Like from overtaxing or something? The sheriff was going around demanding taxes from people. So Robin Hood would loot the carts and give the money back. That is not stealing from the rich to give to the poor.

That's communist propaganda. Nottingham Hills. And Robin Hood was stealing from the government. The problem with chaos and why I tend towards neutrality with the law is because people that are chaotic, truly, they really will say like, the law doesn't suit me right now. Therefore, like John Brown, you know, the guy, the slave. rebellion guy. He killed so many people. Yeah, and he thought of himself as a good guy. He killed too many. Yeah, so did Hitler. And he was chaotic. He was, but he was definitely not good.

I don't know if Hitler thought he was a good guy, but Stalin, I think. No, Hitler thought he would. Lennon and Marx thought they were good guys. Yeah. Hitler thought that he was a good guy. And Mao. For his people, probably. Yeah. But like John Brown, only history can say, like, after the fact, was he a good guy? I mean, he killed people. Killed a lot of people. Even his sons died because of him. To free the slaves, though. So it's like, is it like a Robin Hood? style thing. Yeah, but he, I mean, he was, he was against slavery, but he didn't kill people to free slaves. He wasn't going and freeing slaves. He was killing people because there was slavery. He wasn't, like, black guy first. One of his first kills was a black guy. Was it? I think so. Yeah,

I think so, too. So, so like, he was, he was, historically, I don't, I'm not super familiar with his story, but he seemed like he was kind of a crazy person. So chaotic, I agree with. I wouldn't say that he was a good guy. Maybe chaotic neutral. See, I'm not like John Brown. I'm not like that. I value the law.

I work on this show on purpose to help the legal system. I want to improve it. I care a lot about the law. Yeah, but you're always bringing up how the law can do bad things. That's why I'm neutral. Well, no, that's why you're not lawful. Correct. I'm neutral.

Okay. There's lawful, neutral, and chaotic. I'm not chaotic. I'm not lawful. You're absolutely chaotic. John Brown is chaotic. I'm not willing to throw it. Do you think Ben Franklin was chaotic?

Then maybe he was. He might be true neutral. Maybe. It's more likely that than chaotic. Maybe. I don't know. But like maybe, maybe, maybe. But there are so many times where you've said the law is bad or the law can do bad, et cetera, et cetera.

And that makes me think that you're generally saying that when the law is bad, ignore the law. There was that one time where we. got here early and the lights were off and Ian was wearing a black cloak with a pentagram on the ground and he was trying to summon the dead. It wasn't a full, it was mostly pentagram, but yeah. It wasn't there wasn't the fifth point, right? It didn't work. Final answer. It didn't. What about you, Kail? I noticed two sixes and a nine on your head. So, I think he's just looking at it upside down. It was you, right? It's the up quark, up quirk, up, down quirk. So where are you on this alignment scale? I was thinking that's why I asked Tim if lawful good was it,

because I always like, I always like to do good. It's like, I mean, I could rob, but I would never do that. All of the goods are good and have their arguments.

The neutrals, like, evil is bad. That's just it. Neutral is kind of fine and good is fine. Lawful good is fine. Cato, if it's two in the morning

and you're sitting at a red light and there's no other cars, not in L.A. because there's always cars. But if you're in the middle, say you're in Wisconsin, right? No cars around.

And it's a red light. And I go through you. You go through? You're not lawful. You're not lawful. So neutral? Neutral good? Neutral good then for sure.

The red light test is a good to find out if someone is actually lawful. Now, here's the important question. I sit there. Do you return the shopping cart to the cart corral? 100%. Okay. And I can't stand people that don't. Yeah.

I do it. I always paid. My motto is paid forward. I always, I went shopping with Libby. And afterwards, she took the cart and she just ran it off and threw it to the street. I do it. You were there when she took the cart out of the return and then LA.

You can shop live 950 in L.A. Forget getting arrested. So, okay? Libby, what's your alignment? My alignment? I don't know. How would you see yourself? A chaotic evil, maybe?

I don't think I'm chaotic. Awful evil? I'm kidding. I don't know. The thing is like, I know. Do you blow red lights? What? It's two in the morning.

No one's around. It's a red light. Are you going to go through it? No, but I've also only had my license for five years. And you, Like you were you were less lawful when you were younger as well. Oh, for sure. Yeah.

But I mean, nothing I ever got arrested for. Well, that doesn't matter. You know, it's got caught. Regarding the scale. They never got caught for shit. A lot of times people in power are forced to make a decision of using chaos to produce good and using evil to produce law and order. And like Trump, with all the crackdowns, it's like people are like, it's evil, but it's producing lawful. None of it's evil.

Well, some people see it as evil because it's violent. aggressive and then sometimes people will do chaotic things like break break up a wall or go after a CEO because they think it's the right it will produce more good in society and there's a balancing act between the two because a lot of times it is about perspective it's about history writes the the tales of who was the good guy and who was the bad guy in the story and it's usually the winner that gets to be the good guy and it meant I constantly think when I talk about see chaos on the streets I'm like at what point is this chaos valuable like because we if this system is too orderly and it's very evil, we need to break it up.

It's like chaos is never valuable, I don't think. Or is, it's exceedingly rare for chaos to be valuable. You have a Jew, I think the Jews in the ancient text didn't even have good and evil. It was only order in chaos. Is that very beginning? Red or seen one flu over the cuckoo's nest. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Okay, chaotic good is Jack Nicholson, taking care of patience, doing, the, opposite of the dominant nurse ratchet. Yeah. With the evil emperor, the whatever she doesn't want him good and jack. So that's a great example of chaotic good. And always, you know, looking out for someone that doesn't. Let's talk about this story. Oh, this one burned me up.

Virginia mom gets six month suspended jail sentence for letting her five-year-old walk to the pond. You heard it. They're in a gated community. She has a five-year-old. He walked on the, the sidewalk. There's a pond, which he'd have to cross a street and like 10 feet of grass to get to. Someone saw him by himself walking, what is it, like a half mile, not even, not even. What's the distance, they said? It's like a few blocks or whatever.

Someone saw him, stopped him, escorted him back, yelled that her, called the cops. She got arrested, criminally charged, and she got a six months suspended. I just want to stress, when I was seven, you know, I was, when I was six, I was not allowed to cross the street, but I was a allowed to go around the block and go to my friend's house on the other block. When I was seven, I was riding my bike miles from home. Yeah. I think I was about. And my parents were like, when the streetlights come on, you know, you have to be back

before the streetlights are on. Right. And so I remember when I was like, I think I was probably 12. My, like, I think the rule was for every minute you're late, you're grounded one day. Oh, nice. And so I'd be at the card shop, collect a card and comics with my friends. And I'd have rollerbladed there. And then I'd just be playing Pokemon until the very,

last minute looking at the clock and I'm like I can make it back in five minutes if I go as fast as I can you know. That's I have Funsville I place a few better too and I'm like I. There was always the trick to where like if you were late you would get home and then just go in the backyard and take the blades and socks and shoes off

and then sit on the back porch and then if I was like no I was just in the backyard. It all depends on the area too. Growing up if you were in a safe area yeah we trust it was safe. We had all the neighbors. Trust it so like I said a large family so that we always did this kind of stuff. Another reason why I don't want to talk about flock cameras, but this is why I despise government surveillance.

This is why I know flot cameras. I know, because if you see a little kid exploring the world at his parent, I don't know, man. The community makes a difference too. It's safe. Being by water sources, it wasn't a fire. It was a Karen. Sounds like a car. The rule that we had was, it was just me.

I just set the table by six. And if I didn't set the table by six, then I didn't get any dinner. brutal it was actually brutal I had food in my closet oh nice but this this kind of stuff I mean this kind of stuff is

it's really really really bad for society right like being like yeah you can't let your kids go out and explore a half mile from your house the idea that your neighbors will you know yell at you for doing something that they wouldn't do for their children behind that too

possibly with the neighbor. Call the cops, you know, calling child protective services or whatever because you choose to parent a different way than they approve of.

And, you know, to Tim's point, like, I'm, you know, I'm an old guy. And when I was a kid, it was a very similar thing.

You know, be back by the time street lights are on or you're in trouble. We live in a much safer world today than we did 50 years ago or 40 years ago when I was hauling ass around on a bike.

We had a bell. What? The bell rang. we heard in the neighborhood. Yeah, you know. Dinner. So, and this, this kind of stuff, it degrades trust in your neighbors. It degrades trust in society overall.

It degrades, like, anxiousness. Overarching anxiousness for everyone. It degrades trust in institutions because you're like, oh, cool. The state's just going to step in and give me a criminal charge because I'm parenting my kid in a way that actually helps. Go ahead. Sorry. That actually helps my kid grow and mature. kids need to be alone

and they need to have they need to solve problems on their own that kind of that's part of here's the crazy thing why wasn't the dad charged they were both home at the same time said she went to the father

and she was like can you believe this she says that he needs to take risk so he can grow up to be non-anxious yeah that's a really smart thing to say kids do need to take risk absolutely do that's 100% true

that's part of the reason why you know nowadays you hear stories about kids going to interviews with their parent when they're parents. I would never hire a kid that would... Wait, what? This is why, like, you don't live in these communities or with HOAs or whatever it may be.

You think you're safe, but you are not. It's... If you move into a bad area, you're in a bad area. And you think you're moving into a gated community or an HOA because they're going to have special protections or rules. And then this happens. A neighbor says, I don't like the way your kid walks to the store by himself. You're under arrest. Did it have something to do with the kid being...

a water source? He wasn't near the water source. Didn't get to it. No. He was going there, apparently. It's falling into the water can be a really, really bad thing. You got to be careful around open water. They bring up free range kids, which is a great.

So, oh, she's got a. Lenork-Skenezy. Yeah, an X-Page. An X page. And it's, it's, the point of it is like, let your kids get time alone. Let them solve problems on their own. They're probably more mature than you realize. They probably can solve problems.

better. And if they get in trouble, they learn. Obviously, there's, there's the possibility of something bad happening. But that's part of our existence. You can't totally escape that. And this whole like snowplow parenting where you just make everything as safe as you possibly can, like kids don't mature when that happens. Is there like a legal definition of when you're legally allowed to let a kid be alone by it? No. I mean, some places do have laws about that. like you're not allowed to let your kid be alone in your house and if they're you know a certain age there are places where they'll the police will get called in for stuff like that you know but i really think that it depends on the kid and the parent and you know your kid well enough to know you know if you like i always thought kind of like at 10 i'd let the kid stay home for like an hour you know by 12 i'd let him stay home for maybe like two hours on his own you know and like just but that's if you trust you to your kid. If I'm running out to the market, do you have to come if you're sitting there doing your homework or whatever? Like, do you really have to, like, get dragged to the market if you don't want to?

I don't think so. I was 10 years old. My parents made a big mistake. I was 10 years old and they put a pocket knife, a Swiss Army knife in my stocking. And they're like, oh, you know, you can get your stockings before we get up. You couldn't open any presents, but you could go get the stocking. So like three in the morning, I woke up or whatever, and I go and I grab my stocking. And there's a pocket knife in there. For some reason, I'm trying to open a thing of caps, which if I'd use the caps, like cap guns, if I'd use the caps, it would have woken everybody

up or at least woke my sister up and I got in trouble. For some reason, I was trying to open them, and I'd have cut in my hand, and so I'm in the hospital getting stitches, like seven stitches across my fingers. They were like, well, that was a bad idea, stupid to trust that moron with a knife. We're brothers. That's my parents, my dad,

Switzerland, we all got knives. Swiss Army knives in our stocking. Christmas. And the big part we love was the toothpick. Yeah. The old chive in the tooth. My sister, my sister was stuck there for like, like six hours waiting for us because she couldn't open any presents. She's sitting there looking at the Christmas tree waiting for us to get back, 12, 13 years old.

She was pissed. Opening the box and it's like, oh my God, I got another air guitar. Yeah, but I mean, yeah, this whole, like the free range kids thing is good. you have to be able to let your kids go out and, you know, explore the world and learn on their own. And, you know, I was, I was fortunate that I grew up and there was, you know, like woods around where we could go and play in the woods and stuff. But the idea that, oh, you can't go and do anything because the government's watching you, big brother's watching your. Your neighbors are going to call the cops. That's bad for society.

Yeah. You have to change the name, the free range kid, though. It sounds too much like, you know, we're being domesticated. the more I watch a lot of like these Democrat, affluent white female liberal women. It's just humans are being domesticated the way dogs are domesticated. Dogs, I was thinking about this because I'm like,

most dogs don't have babies. Most dogs are kept in the house, away from each other, controlled, told what to do, when to do it, and they're happy. They own nothing and they're happy. Wolves own a lot. They own territory.

They keep predators out. that whole swat the land is theirs. And so I'm just looking at what's happening with a lot of people and their permanent adolescence, the way a dog is to a wolf. They own, they're working towards owning nothing. They want to own nothing.

They don't want to have kids. They want to be effectively like a pet. Yeah, if they think that the extent of their frustration is finding money, they're pretty much domesticated, like a neutered dog. Because, like, combat is a horrifying part of reality that they don't even seem to have.

Not just combat, but not wanting to challenge themselves at any level. Mm-hmm. This is, so I said, parenting, everything's parenting. I mean, I'm sure a parent that has the kid that's going to be, you know, a introverted the entire life is not going to be like a dad

who was a Navy SEAL married to somebody because he's going to have a tougher kid. So it's all parenting with anything. And anything in crime, it's all education. If you're not educated, you're going to commit crime. If you didn't, if you, it's, I mean, most of the people committing crimes are not really educated.

I don't think it's education. That's the issue. I think it's culture. Well, culture, but culture makes you drop out of school too. Culture makes you. Yes and no. The issue is, so here's a good example. College dropout billionaires tend to have three times the money of college graduate billionaires or PhD billionaires. The issue is that because there's a correlation between criminal culture and, like, lack of education, the presumption most people make is because they're not educated, they commit

crimes, which is, I think when you look deeper the numbers, it's just actually not true because you can see that there are many people who don't adopt the culture of those areas move out and are fine. There are tons of people that are uneducated that don't go on to commit crimes, and there are people who grow up in areas like working class areas, white working class areas, don't have the same level of crime. And the culture is different. So, for example, this is my experience in Chicago. You've got two deeply impoverished areas. In one, the culture is be hard and have guns and shoot and kill people.

And the other is do drugs. Well, both of them don't go to school. And the kids who grew up in this one area start doing a bunch of drugs and die. The kids who grow up in this area start buying guns and shooting people because they're surrounded by people who do. Okay. But do you think that if you're educated, you value human life more? No. You don't.

You don't think so. I think the opposite issue. I think people who are educated tend to value human life less. Well, I think it... I think when you take a look at... You shoot someone, like the example of the guy, the 15-year-old kid shooting the woman going to convenience store. This is a cultural issue, and I'll give you an example. How many a college-educated, what is the percentage of college-educated individuals who skewed to the far left?

Of the far left, what is their view on mass genocide from the communist countries? They have substantially less, I suppose, love for human life. Are you talking about education? Are you talking about intelligence? Yeah, they're super pro-abortion. Yeah, well, you know, it's, I think you have to be intelligent. I just think when someone does not have a value of human life, there's something on that went out at home. That's not education.

It's culture. Yeah, I could see that as being culture. But I think also it's a fine line because I think what yours also saying is the college, certain colleges now. Well, the professors, well, you see people falling more to the left because. And they support what China did. They celebrate it. It's like guidance. But let me put it this way.

I guarantee you, you take a gangbanger from Chicago and put him in Harvard. He ain't changing. He's killing people. I think the criminal mind is less likely to be able to be educated. No, I agree with that. Like a child that doesn't know. Education's not going to change that kid. Like if the kid from the young age doesn't know right and wrong, he's going to be less able to educate himself because he's not going to think the schooling system has much value. He's not going to realize the value of learning as well because his parents didn't.

And so he emulates that. So there's a correlation between lack of education and crime. But I think it's the people with the criminal mindset just aren't able to learn as well. well, maybe. I mean, it's a weird way to think that you have to violate society to get ahead. That's not common. It's not normal. You're supposed to be able to build society up to get ahead. And people will lift you up as you do it. But if you don't know that as a kid, because of a lack of cultural education, perhaps, which then the word education is a little semantic, but like learning from your community, if they didn't teach you, if they just kind of left you off into the woods to go

do your thing. Yeah, I think if you interview prisoners and people in prison, I wonder, I think, you know, I think that's why there's different groups in prison from blacks to a white, to a, you know, getting into a gang and you're in a prison too. Because I don't think they value any life. That's why they're in prison. That's why they'll even kill in prison. So I don't know if that's, you know, a lot of people that are in prison want to get educated. They want to read. They want to, I think they want to go to a library.

So it's a real fine line of the culture and education. I don't, you know, if you're in prison. We'll put it like this, like institutionalized education is, I think, what a lot of people would presume when you say education. I would just say that education in its rawest definition, for a lot of these kids in these areas, if they learned about the world and philosophies, then they would not be engaging in the things that they're doing. If they knew what the light is at the end of the tunnel. However, that being said, you have to ask yourself, what is the motivator of a young man in one of these areas? and it's recognition among their peers. Well, and the South Side of Chicago,

how do you get recognition? You ain't getting it by going to school. And even if you get a good job and make money, you're not getting recognition for that. You're getting mocked for it. No, to get recognition down there, you walk around with a gad, you walk around with the switch.

So you take that kid out, and you say, we're sending you to Harvard, you're getting a free education. He's going to be like, but none of my friends are praising me. They're mocking me. I mean, made fun of now. And they're going to go back

and they're going to say, I don't want that. Yeah, I, it's hard to, you know, if a person really wants to, I think why so many people in prison say they found Jesus because they're in prison. They're going, I mean, that's an easy out also. Do they really find Jesus? So with their let out, they're going to. I actually, I think if you can bring, uh, if you brought Christianity to a lot of these neighborhoods, like actual Christianity, then that would probably stop a lot of the killing for sure. You don't notice lately is that some people that get hit with

the hard hammer of the law, it's a wake up call for them and they realize what they've done and they don't want to do it again. And then they decide to educate themselves and get of it. It's not, I don't know how often it is. I don't know what the numbers are. Some people just don't care. They just, it's just part of the game for them. Residivism is really, really high. So there are some, but most people that go to jail go on to commit more crimes afterwards. It's not a, that's why I say. Not really a rehab facility. What? Jail isn't really rehab. Yeah. That's why I say, you know, that's why I said like, you know, the point of putting people in jail isn't so much to punish the people as it is to take them out of society because they're

a danger to society. This is one goes out to all the parents that are letting their kids go outside to play. Another reason why these flock cameras are ridiculous is that people have been saying that they just relicensed place, but flock has multiple types of cameras. They have the Falcon, which does read only license plates. It does a still photography. Then they have the Condor, which is a video camera. And those are implemented around the United States. And they are taking video of you and your car as you drive by, they have AI systems that can check out what you're wearing and cross that with other databases.

They can find out who you're related to just by seeing you drive. It's very, very dangerous. Actually, I'm pro-flocked camera now. Really? I finally sold you on it? No, no, no. It's that after seeing the insipid arguments that made no sense about the First Amendment, I realized that there was a lot of money

to be made by promoting it. And so, you know, reached out to one of these guys, and said, hey, just pay me double and I'll do way better propaganda for you. Is it true that Flock's doing a propaganda campaign right now, paying people to talk? So I'll just say this. The Tim Kess team had someone reached out of them saying that they had been offered money to promote Flock and they turned it down. And there's also a lot of reporting that people are being paid to attack Flock. And the presumption is the first was competitors of flock were paying people to complain about it. I don't know if that's true. I've seen the message

where someone said that they were offered money, they turned it down. But I will say that, Like, you know, we shout out. We talked about Cam Higby the other day. I do not believe for a second that is fake reframing, childish reframing of an argument, which is like, guys, when you go to college and you're looking up like marketing, the first page you read is like reframing. So when you try to use a reframing technique, like, just, just stop, bro. Just literally stop.

When we say the issue with flock cameras is the database of mass surveillance tracking you all the time, not filming in public. And then you respond with, but the first amendment says, I can film in public. Okay, now you're lying because we're not talking about that. The subject's already changed. Why are you going back? You are. So it's like someone's constantly trying to pull you back.

And that's what Cam was doing and what many of these people are doing. Trying to create a first amendment argument, like, but we need to be able to film in public for journalism. No one's complained. No one said ban all of the red light cameras, even though we don't like them. You know, there are a lot of things we've said. We know there are cameras everywhere. The issue is that these are AI scanning license plates to create a real-time tracking for you and everyone else where they are and what they're doing.

So to then try and drag the conversation constantly back to somewhere that no one cares about, you're doing that on purpose and for some weird reason. I can't imagine you do that on accident. And I can't imagine you do it for nothing. So I assume they're getting paid. Maybe Will Chamberlain will come back on again soon because he's been very proactive about implementing flock. and I'm not sure why I want to talk to him face to face about it because he said they were just licensed plate readers or intimated that they were licensed

still photography only. I don't think he understood the Condor camera. I don't think he knew it existed. I responded to Will on Twitter. You welcome to respond to me and let me know if you knew that was a real thing before today. Also, the CFO of Flock might come on. He's been doing rounds on shows. So I'd love

to have you on and to defend your position if you think there's actual value to setting up a centralized database of people's actions and behaviors and locations right now, especially with the way that people are locked up, I can convince you when you get here in England, I'm saying, during the COVID pandemic, if that's what you want to call it, where people would get arrested for setting foot outside their house or detained, their own house, their own neighborhood, out into the bright light

where the vitamin D was healing them. It's crazy. It's just so damn. It's so obvious that they get you to want it. This is, and they've been saying it for a decade. the way that the technocracy is they scare you, and then they try and sell you a product that you're begging for, for protection, for safety, and then they turn it on you. So this is the step where they're trying to sell you the product. You've got to know that ahead of time.

Shut it down. Yeah. I mean, I'm not pro-flot camera at all. The AI behind them is the actual, you know, big problem, the constant monitoring. There's, I mean, there's plenty of cameras everywhere as it is, but having cameras on, you know, the side of the road everywhere and monitoring where people are driving to. What?

It's becoming too China. Yeah, it's too much like. The problem is then it becomes police body cams, which I generally like, if that's feeding data to an AI database, it's doing all the same backend tracking. If there's satellites that are watching you that are giving you the same AI, it's really about the AI tracking mechanism and the centralized database. It's owned by corporation. I don't have a problem with police body cam. They typically only turn them on when they arrive at a scene, too. at least the audio

from what I noticed. The body cams were interesting too because during the BLM era you had left us demanding more body camps and now there's more body camps and it shows a distinct lack of police brutality. Yeah.

That's why I like them. Yeah. But I think body cams are different. Once you're in a situation where you're interacting with law enforcement I think it sort of protects everybody involved to have the body camps.

I don't think it's super protecty for everyone involved. to be tracked everywhere they go. It's funny when the metro cards replaced tokens in New York City in, what was it? Like a 90s, 97, I think was really when they were like replaced. And I remember thinking like, oh, now we have a metro card. I'm going to buy it. And then it's going to track me all around the city.

I'd rather have a pocket full of tokens. And I would still rather have a pocket full of tokens. Yeah, really. Yeah, using my credit card when I travel around, I know they're trying. It's, I mean, track. Yeah. And the thing is, yes, they get you because it's way more convenient to have a metro card than a pocket full of tokens.

And I have the easy pass and whatever. And like I'm definitely being tracked all over the place. But I'd rather not have that option. You could just pay in cash, couldn't you? Sure. I'd rather not have the option, you know. So I went hard on body cams with soldiers in like 2007 when I was young and naive. And I used to talk a lot about, I want a camera on every soldier.

so every child they kill, you get to watch. Everybody gets to see it. And that will end war. Because when you realize what they're really doing, you're going to want it to stop. But now I don't know so much. No. Well, first of all, it won't end war.

Like, they're not going to be like, oh, we can't, you know, engage in military action because there have been, you know, people that broke international law or committed war crimes. What about having... Like, shoot me on my good side. Yeah, right.

Shoot me up. Left. That's not what I meant. But, you know, yeah. Can you use the Juno filter? Totally, totally unrelated. We're going to go to the chats in a second. Have you guys heard about that game?

I think it's like a Fortnite, but it's a dollar per entry, and the winner takes the pot? I heard about it. I don't know much about it, but I don't hear about it. There's like a new video game where it's, I think it's like Fortnite. It's like a battle royale shooter, but it's a dollar to enter a game. And then the winner takes all the money. That's pretty cool. And that's not gambling.

How many can play? I don't know, but that's a big. brilliant idea. It's an insanely good idea. It's like a sports tournament. Right. It's low stakes e-sports. It's not gambling. It's 100% skill-based. Interesting. 100% skill-based. If you can guarantee there's no one's using like a map hack or anything, that's legit. And if the, if like, if the guns are all static, everyone uses the same guns, if they allow for random drops, then it becomes a little bit more gambling. I think if they

allow random gun drops, like it was Fortnite-esque, then it's pure gambling. And pre, what are they randomly generated maps, so no one knows the map. What about games like chess and checkers and like monopoly? Me and a friend had this idea to make like a gambling. It was going to be called Game Stakes City. That's not gambling. No. Those are skill games.

We're gonna do that like 15 years ago. We just couldn't figure out how to make it leave. We should build that. Yeah. Literally it's like chess, checkers, backgammon, and it's a dollar per play and the winner takes two dollars. I would do that. That's like the one game I've heard you guys talk about where I'd be like, yeah, I'll play

It's just online tournaments. It's not gambling. It's all skill games. But you're going to play the whole night to win $2 or can you win more? Well, you could put in a bunch of money. It depends because, you know, if you're playing chess. It's also just fun. You could stake each other.

I think it's fine to say custom stakes. It's skill-based, not gambling. If you want to play a tournament, like if you entered a chess tournament and paid $100 to play to win a prize, the same thing. So it's just online, single stakes. You know what it is? It's sit-and-go e-sports. Yeah.

I could see a kid who like gets his allowance money for a dollar for the week and he spends it and he loses in six seconds and he cries and he cries and he remembers it for the rest of his life and then the other guys said to be like, I'm farming nobs if he just keeps winning. Well no, it's just you choose what you want to do man. It's up to you.

Yeah, bigger pots in that too. Well, it'll be 18 to play. Yeah, maybe it's 18. You could make it at. If Ian wanted to play a thousand dollar game of chess, that's his choice. And that means he's likely to go up against some guy who's like a master or grandmaster because ain't nobody risking that money.

I'm not knowing how to play it. Also, the server... Preventing cheating would be a challenge on games like chess. Yeah, yeah. Hack, Madeline poker problem. And also, if the company is taking a cut of the gambling or of the... I think the we had planned it out was like you would put in money to get tokens, and then we would take like 3% when you cashed out. As long as the games are skill games that are legally determined to be skill games.

Yeah. Interesting. Meaning no chance. It's like chess. Right. No random. The challenge, though, is people are going to sit there playing chess on their phone having a cheating app. Yeah, man. And it's tough. Yep. When real money comes into gaming online.

Yep. But you'll also have like sports. Teams will build up around it. People will fund the, they'll be like, we're betting 10,000 a night for our six guys. And if any one of you win, we're all splitting the.

I guess you couldn't really do any dice games. Unless you're chaotic. Good. And yeah, then all bets are all the rules are off. And if you're chaotic, how chaotic are you? I'd give my winnings to someone that needed it more than me.

When you sat, when you were at the, oh, that's nice of you. When you're at that OJ trial where you're just like, I love the law or you're like, I can't believe I'm here

or some other thing. I became friends with the detectives through the process of being interviewed so many times. I think they work their butts off to make things better. And I think no way that they were, anything was planted.

I'm sorry, there's just no possible. Because that's a theory that's been going around. That was a theory then. Yeah. Having gone through what your version of it, did it make you more

or less lawful? Yeah, I've always kind of been in straight and narrow, so it didn't make me any different. Just I respected what they did and whatever they needed for being questioned and all that. So it was just many, many hours down.

You know, the first day I was down there at police station at least for eight hours of them because they didn't know who I was. Rough. And you were there basically at the dawn of the Kardashians. Well, I lived in Greta and Green the Kardashians. I met the Kardashians there. Many, many. Yeah.

Yeah. I mentioned before in the other show that I knew Kim when she was only that big and that was just her ass. I did say that. It's so cute. Yeah. I, you haul ass. She has to make two trips. Okay. We did that for the show. We did that for Timcast. Tim. Did that for you. All right. We're going to go to your Rumble Rans and Super Chats to smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you've ever met. The uncensored portion is coming up at 10 p.m. You don't want to miss it. In the meantime,

what do y'all have to say? H.S. Disturbs that you can't claim insanity unless you admit to the act. Maybe the men on the Clancy jury should keep mentioning how they think she, how hot they think she is in order to reverse psychology, the female jurors, into hating her. I also wanted to read what Lisa wrote. She said, if she's found guilty, not guilty by reason of insanity, she has to go to a facility for six months after which they'll determine whether or not she can go free. That is so stupid.

Yeah. That's impossible. Sorry. Phelinks says people are saying this case is the OJ case of our generation proves these people know she is guilty but want her to be innocent because they feel guilty over something. Yeah, there was a crazy thing during the OJ case, all the kids in my dorm were watching it because it was like the fall of 95 and it was like all the black kids in my dorm

were so excited when OJ was found not guilty and all the white kids were like, why are you glad a killer got off? Like, you know, like, why are you glad about that? The way that it turned into a race thing was so creepy and weird. Split screen. Kind of like, and like that's kind of now, it's like the agenda thing. Yeah. It's weird.

They split the screen, mixed views. Johnny Cochran. Johnny Cochran. It was like a circus orchestrator or whatever. He was brilliant because he knew to talk to a jury. The jury was on his side. And that's what he, he split. spoken poetry, the, you know,

if the glove don't fit, you must have quit. And he spoke. Because if it rhymes, it must be true. Yeah, he did. That didn't rhyme. No, but if it rhymes, it must be true. No, exactly. But the whole thing was smart that he did it that way.

If the words flow, you got to let him go. There you go. You could have been a lawyer, Tim. Could have been. Yep. Just say third grade reading level rhymes and you went every time. Ian is Pian. I love that scene.

Have you guys ever watched Better Call Soul? Yes. Where his client has accused of robin at liquor store or whatever, and he's like, can you point to the person who committed the crime? He's like, it's him right there. He's like, and you're sure. He's like, that's right. Would you be surprised if I told you that's actually not the defendant? The defendant's actually sitting in the back.

And then the actual defendant stands up. And he's like, and actually, this guy's got a great alibi. So that was funny. That is funny. All right. Keek says, how do you say that? I don't know. Charlotte.

North Carolina has to be one of the worst places for releasing repeat offenders. A 16-year-old racked of over 250 charges in under a year. Matt Van Swole has been great about calling it out so often. He has been good on that account. 250 charges in a year. Joey Giggle says, What if this Lindsay Clancy case is another sigh up to create more division between men and women, tinfoil hat time? That's what I'm saying.

Like, who makes a flyer that says, like, justice for the kids and Lindsay? Like, what? Crazy people. Maybe the deep state's like, you know, this Israel stuff's got a little too far? Can we make them talk about something else? Yeah, where's all the Antifa chicks outside the courthouse? They should be out there with Greta Thunberg. You know.

Tech Ruse says, You know, Clivement Justice without letting out Lindsay Clancy. Confession time, when I was in grade school, only the cool kids were ever in possession of the library's copy of where the wild things are. It took me years to get hold of it, so I stole it. Good job. stealing library books I've done that

you know what it'll be a great thing to do is to go down to the courthouse and actually interview these women that think she's innocent people have been doing that yeah I'd like to hear just what's their reasoning I just want to know some of them show up with their kids imagine being that kid

and you're like mom can I go to grandma's dad help all right uh C E's Gansberg says, how did you book Cato Caelin to appear during the most heinous instance of jury nullification since? Oh, you know who? Are you a wizard? I was saying, it's perfect timing for you to be here.

Yeah, and I'm glad to be here. Who is, who is, I'll follow that person now. C.E. Gansberg on Rumble. There you go. Yeah, all right. Jodak says I'm a 27-year-old P-NW. Oh, in PNW. With third kid on the way, single-income wife of nine years is stay at home. Oh, yeah. All right. For you. Mason says, Ian, chaotic neutral has done illegal drugs,

which is a neutral, neutral act of chaos. Would be evil of given power. Libby, chaotic evil defends women voting just because despite the evident evil of it. Actually, yeah, Ian's on illegal drugs. You're not. I'm not lawful. Not lawful. I think I'm more neutral.

Maybe a little awful. I'm more lawful than awful. I'm more lawful than chaotic, I think. I tend more because I know the danger of chaos is unpronounounounouncing. You can't even begin. I was just thinking about people eating children and raping. Like the amount of cannibalism and child rape that happened in chaotic societies. Before good and evil, it was only ordering chaos.

Yeah, but you're changing the context of good and evil and changing the meaning. At least for the purposes of this discussion, we're talking about alignments in D&D. When you change it to like, oh, back in the day before D&D, chaos and law were the only thing as opposed to good and evil. Like that's the context the context matters well I'm saying I think chaos is worse than evil Chaos is the most dangerous thing we could ever experience it's where your neighbor will try and eat you it's crazy But chaos in in the context of D&D chaos does not equate to evil it means your it means your Outlook on the law whether the law is right or wrong right right so the for the context Saying you're chaotic does not mean that your best

bad, right? That's why they have chaotic good. Chaos is your outlook on the law. So when we say you're chaotic neutral, that's saying that sometimes you'll do good or bad things, but the chaotic part is you don't really concern yourself with the law. Yeah, that would be a chaotic neutral. Yeah. To kind of work outside the law, or they use the law if it suits them only, really. Well, chaotic people tend to. Indeed. Let's grab some more. Let's see. N. Kari says the average IQ of the prison population is way lower than the average. That is correct.

Yeah, what is it like if we permanently jailed for life, like 3% of criminals, there'd be no crime? Yep. What was it? Let's do it. I don't know. It's most crime is committed by the same people. Yeah, that's the thing. It's like the same people over and over again.

Do you think? The people that are responsible, the individuals, or it's just that's a percentage of society that will always do crime. There's always a percentage of society that does crime, but it's strongly correlated with lower IQs. Like the Jordan Peterson made a point, like if you have an 85 or lower IQ,

you can't get in the military because there's nothing that you can functionally do in the military. There's nothing that you won't just make worse. And there's like a sweet spot for IQ where like, and when I say sweet spot, it's not a good thing, But the vast majority of crime is committed by people with like an 85 or 90 IQ or something like an 85 IQ. Just smart enough to know they want something. Exactly.

But they're not smart. Then you have like the Unabomber. Yeah. Well, he committed crimes because he was way too smart. Yeah. He's probably like, I don't know, crazy smart. But the thing is like if you didn't have people that were at that sweet spot, if you just put them all in jail, crime drops to almost nothing. My dad said if my IQ hit 60, sell.

I'm trying. I'm trying. You're cracking me up. I love it. But it's true. Like the, you know, IQ is large, strongly correlated with criminality. I wonder if it's like, because poverty is a lot of it's just perception to whatever relative wealth of it. And we're all rich right now.

Even the people living on the street are like in a richer place than people 500 years ago living in the months, you know. There have been plenty of societies that were dirt poor that didn't have. a large criminal element. I have an idea. Tomorrow on the show, we should set a super chat goal. And if we raise $20,000, we give it to Ian and he shaves his head. I won't be here tomorrow, so I'm sure I'll be able to, you said you want me to shave my head for 20 grand. Would you do it?

Yeah. 50 grand? I don't think you'd do it. $50,000. I don't need $50,000. I wouldn't suggest you. I don't need the money. It's just money, dude.

Yeah. I'll shave electrical magnets How much would you do it? Oh, yeah. I don't totally do it. Yeah. How much would you do it? I'll do it on the show. If you give me $10 million, I'd feel like a selling, and I don't want it. I don't just want to keep my hair right now. Okay, wait, wait, wait, hold on. How much to make you wear a suit and put your hair up?

I do that for free. I just supply the suit and I'm in. All right. So we got to raise money to buy you a suit. How much those costs? We'll let's super chat. If we can get 10K and super chats tomorrow night, what's a reasonable 20K you said? To wear a suit? That's a ridiculous suit, bro. You name the number. whatever you think of reasonable. I'm saying, no, no, like what?

Like a lot. How about a five-hundred? I'll be the go. It should be something you don't want to do, though. Get it free at the Salvation Armani. But is that, how much is like a men's warehouse suit cost? Oh, come for a couple hundred bucks. A couple hundred bucks?

I think so. All right. We'll do a, we'll do a goal to get Ian a suit. It should be a good suit. I mean, like, it should be like a real, like Armani. Come my hair. I'll slick it. A proper suit.

You dress suit, maybe. Howver you want. Spokes suit, sure. Send him to Tyler. Yeah, but look at his hair. It would be a couple thousand dollars. What? How about a full makeover?

Yeah, a makeover. Like a full, you know, Ian makeover. You know, we got like one of those gay guys from the TV show to like fix you up. Oh, Jonathan Van Ness. You got to document it. That would be amazing. And no, perfect. You got to cut your hair.

No, no, no. You have to. I don't want to. They're not, well, then they're going to, like, they'd be a little trim. You could like. No, but they're going to have to get rid of the split ends. They're going to straighten it and they're going to style it. Ian, you remember you said that you were like interested in meeting women.

Cut your hair. It's a good. It's because there's not a lot of women that'll... Oh, are you seeing some? Yeah. Okay, never mind that. Imagine we, like, get a makeover in the suit, and she's like, she can't stand it. She's like, oh.

I took her to my mom's place, my parents' house, and my mom was like, cut your hair. She says it to me whenever she sees me. Your mom does? Yeah, she wants me to cut my hair, and I'm like, that's what mom said. She said, she says, and she's saying that to me my whole life. I'm like, you don't know what's hot.

You know, my mom. My girlfriend loves me. Ian, you look like every member of Blind Melon. Yeah, you look like every member of Blind Melon. Your goal is not hot. No, my goal is smart. I want to learn how to tell people the story of from gluons and quarks all the way up to proteins and how reality forms.

Did you know that from corks to protons to RNA? Quantum physics just proved, has proven that the human mind can process faster with shorter hair. I don't believe. Look at me and Phil. We're real smart. It'll be a while to figure out if you were telling the truth, though. Hold on a second. Sheave that off.

Let's grab a couple more of these chats. Can I play with your Wow Cube? Yeah. I've been staring at it the whole time. Do you know how to use it? Not really. You shake it to go to the menu and you smack the side twice to pick stuff, to like select. All right.

Rocky says if Lindsay, if, is the Lindsay Clancy trial more evidence that feminism has failed? And will the consequence of its failure result in innocent women getting possibly hurt in the future? No, it's evidence that it succeeded. Yeah. She's probably going to get off. And it's a nine women jury. It's not evidence that it failed. It's evidence that it's succeeded.

It might be evidence that it's detrimental to society, but it's definitely succeeded. It is not failed. The nine women are all of them mothers? I don't know. We don't know anything about the jury. Oh, that's right. Of course.

They haven't photographed the jury or anything. Oh, okay. Are they all women? Three men and nine, 12, three men. Three men and nine women. I mean, I think that's a, that's a, Suicidal man. What do you call it? Voidio? Yeah. Yeah. Like, why would you let?

But on the other hand, if you're the prosecution, you'd be like, no mother would let a woman walk free for killing her children. And they didn't realize that apparently they're all psychotic and probably taking SSRIs. I wonder, I really would be interested to find out like what the actual voting was. Is it like two holdouts? Or is it like all nine

of them are just like, no, she didn't do it. I think the men are trying to convince the woman like, no, this isn't right. That's my opinion. I think that's men are going, no, she murdered. I'd love to know. Yeah, we'll never. Well, maybe someone will have a book. Yeah, it's not over yet.

They might come back with a guilty verdict for all we know. No. Unfortunately, a hung jury's not the same as. I was worried they're going to come back with not guilty just to spite the judge for making them go back in there. No, the three dudes are like, hell no. Magic eight balls. All right.

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Follow me Instagram, Twitter, X, Facebook, and I'll follow you back. You got three movies out right now? I've got two that are right now on Amazon Prime and Fandango, pay-to-die-die-die-d-die-and-E-D-Ean-E-E-E-D-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-Eans. You can go to Prime and watch that for, I think, $3.99. But Desert Feeding 1s I'm not in, but that's free. So you can see the lead into that film. And actually, they're really, they're horror-slok-y films that are very funny and very gross, but in a, I guess, comical way. They're getting great reviews, like an IMDB gave it an 8.

So you don't get that. No country for old men's like a 7-5. Oh, wow. It's a film. So, you know, do whatever I've got a parts of it. Like a cheesy horror drama. And Soldier's Descent comes out in November. It's cheesy, and that's a...

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I'm really had so much fun with you guys tonight. It was great to get to hang out with Cato Caelin, which was awesome. Oh, Libby, you're fantastic. Also, while we were on the show, Jack told me to tell you that he wants to give you a copy of his new book called Unhumans, A Socialist Revolution. So. The first ones, yeah. 100%.

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