Timcast IRL - Corporate Press BOYCOTTS White House After Trump BANS CNN, MSNOW, Politico w/ George Santos, Fat Nick, & Neil McCabe

Episode Date: September 22, 2026

George Santos fills in as a special guest host and is joined by Rapper Fat Nick & Neil McCabe to discuss Fox News joining the media boycott against the White House after Trump bans "fake news" Rapper Fat Nick explaining why he's lost faith in Trump Trump meeting with Mamdani in NYC NATO warning of a potential Russian false flag Hosts:  George @GeorgeSantos (everywhere) Phil @PhilThatRemains (X) | https://allthatremains.komi.io/ Tate @realTateBrown (everywhere) |  @TimcastTateBrown  (YT) Producer: Carter @carterbanks (X) |  @trashhouserecords  (YT) https://carterbanks.komi.io Guests: Fat Nick  @FatNickOfficial  (YT) | @therealfatnick (IG) Neil McCabe @ReporterMcCabe (X) Neil McCabe is an American political journalist and U.S. Army Reserve veteran who has reported on national politics for outlets including RedState, One America News, Breitbart and The Star News Network. Fat Nick is a Miami rapper and internet personality who emerged from the South Florida SoundCloud rap scene. He's known for collaborations with artists including Pouya, Lil Peep, $uicideboy$ and KXLLSWXTCH

Well, hello, hello, everybody. It is I, George Hintos, filling in for Tim Poole today, who is busy or busyish or I don't know. But it's always great to be here with you guys and antagonize the crap out of the chat. Hey, chat. Yeah, next two hours, me. Well, I just wanted to say, you know, lots of stuff going around today. And it has been a wild interesting newsday. We can, we're going to have fun today because, I mean, from trunk, me. meeting with Mandami in New York City at Gracie Mansion and suggesting potentially he can be a great mayor to the White House correspondence all now up in arms on pool duty. Who know what even knows who pool is unless it's Tim Pool?

And then on top of that, there's like this major freaking revolt over what's his name? Macklemore and Ed Shearan. I mean, guys, what is going on? The world's on fire. But here we are debating who opens for Ed Shearer. and which stadiums and which bosses. But on top of all of that, NATO is getting apprehensive with Russia. Russia is playing a very dangerous game of territorial edging.

I can't do that with a straight face. But today's going to be a great show. We have a pack show. It's going to be phenomenal. And I just want to push it out there to all these guys that are here with me. And then we'll get right to it. So good evening. And Neil, how are you?

Phenomenal and getting better every day, George. Tell us who you are for the audience who don't know who you are. Tell us what you do. I'm Neil W. McCabe. I'm a national political reporter. I basically do White House hits for Steve Bannon's War Room, but also I write a groundbreaking column for the South Shore Press, which is based in Suffolk County, Long Island. Very nice. And I've been with Breitbart and O-A-N and human events. And I've had quite the black market journalism career, George. You're part of the problem, I see. Well, thanks for being here. All right, Nick, tell us who you are. So I go by Fat Nick. Oh.

Okay. Ten years. Not chubby. Voluptuous. I like it. Vluptuous is nice. I mean, you kind of look the same without a shirt on. I don't know about that.

I might look a little better. I didn't know what's that kind of party. Oh, shut up. What do you do? So I make music. I want a record label. And then about 10 months ago, I started a podcast and I just juggle all that. That's a lot of juggling.

Yeah. It's like getting up is a juggle and jiggle. Multi-talented, huh? Many many skills. You didn't get it. Hey, Tate, what's up? What's up? Yeah, I'm just hoping we all keep her shirts on this episode because it's like,

kind of looking for her to taking hers off. Who knows? It might get wacky and wild as this show carries on, but Phil. You'll keep your shirt on. I'll keep my, don't want to. Hello, everybody. My name's Phil. I sing for the heavy metal band All the Remains.

What's going on, Carter? What's up, everyone? I'm Carter Banks, and we have a stacked house tonight, and I'm pumped to get to it. Welcome back, George. as the gas to host. Let's get into the stuff. Carter, you're the best. And by the way,

Carter is wearing a very, very cool pimp jacket that's hanging off his chair. I might steal it. Got a little hot, so I had to take it off. Might steal it. Might get indicted for it. It's total worth it. Anyway, no breaking new territory.

I hate you. I certainly got it. Old habits. Oh, oh, let's die. Old. Anyway, all right, let's get, let's get to this because, Neil, you're the perfect guy to have this conversation with because major TV networks are declining White House pool duties in solidarity with CNN, MS now, and political. Now, President Trump has in a very bold fashion, and in a very Trumpian fashion, decided it was time to call out the garbage from these outlets and say, you know what, you can't sit with us. So he's legitimately taken to to drive everybody in the table.

chat crazy. He's Regina Georging the crap out of these people. He's excluding them from the White House press pool. Now, you're a press pool reporter. This entire thing is blowing out out of proportions. Now, people don't want to do their jobs anymore because of solidarity and enter Fox News. What's your take on that? I was surprised that Fox joined the boycott. Obviously, I'm speaking for myself and I'm not speaking for any of my various employers or whatever. But it, you know, Fox News was supposed to be sort of the conservative answer to the mainstream media, and they have joined the boycott because, of course, CNN, MS Now, Politico have been bounced. Some of their gear, I can tell you, some of their gear is still at the White House. But, you know, they're not around.

They're doing their hits from outside by the Renwick Gallery or by Pete's coffee. And so what's happened is that ABC, NBC, CBS, and Fox have decided that they won't participate in the pool. And what the pool is is you can't have 100 cameras at an event, right? There's space limited. It's an old building. Right. As much as people think it's grand, it's small house. So you basically have a rotation where, say, CBS has the duty, and they will shoot video for everything, and they will mic everything.

And then everyone has access to it. and it's a great system and it was working up until today and well the white house will figure it out does this affect reporting in general i mean i don't see how this affects reporting you don't want to pull what so here's a deal i think what the legacy media might be missing here right they're fighting a first amendment battle which i think goes without saying is noble i support president trump but i also support first amendment uh as much as i hate sometimes when it's used against me But the idea that this is about the First Amendment is just, that's a farce. Yeah, I don't think it's about the First Amendment.

I think that this is a lot of people are making, a lot of people are making that assertion. Well, of course they're going to make that assertion. Because it's the press. Because it's a form of silencing the press. But it's functional, right? They can go ahead and they can say, oh, all good Americans believe in the Constitution. And the First Amendment is vital to our liberty and blah, blah, blah. Nobody's preventing them from reporting a thing.

The only thing is they're not allowed to go into the White House. They can still report on what the president says. They can still report whatever they want. There's absolutely no limit to what they're allowed to report or what they can or can't say. There's none of that. It's just you're not allowed access to the president. And these people have had access to the president for as long as they've been organizations. And they feel like they're entitled to it.

And so it's not about the first amendment at all. That's a BS line to get people behind them as in to, well, to basically trick rubs. But you don't feel it's kind of unjust as a face of a mayor? right Trump's a face of America you think he's kind of unjust that he can come in and be like CNN can't come in Yeah, no can't sit with us he's 100% cares. It's not it's not just not at all not at all This is prerogative they have no right that no matter what news organization is they have no right to be Inside the White House the president will release press releases the president will talk to the press Everyone knows Donald Trump can't stop talking to the press he's going to be putting stuff out on truth social

every investigative journalist out there can do all the digging they want. They can talk to all the people in Washington they want. They just don't get access to the White House. And it's perfectly fine. I mean, if I'm honest with you, it's kind of gay. But whatever. No offense. I'm not offended.

Well, you looked at me, so that's why I said it. I thought it was funny. I don't know if that's an insult anymore. Oh, shut up. Be quiet. It's tip for tat. It's typical, it's BS stuff that Trump does. But it's in no way, you know, some assault.

on the first amendment it's an assault on their ego and they're using the first amendment argument because it's functional not because they actually believe that it's an assault on the first you know what honestly here's what i'm going to say on this because you're you're spot on i kind agree it's all gay and retarded anyway but the point the point of it all here is what's going to end up happening is these smaller rogue non-legacy media outlets and correct me if i'm wrong what's stopping them from now consolidating all of a sudden and cutting out the legacy media and all of a sudden you'll have poll reporters from RAV, OAN, Newsmax, Newsweek, like, all these, like, more, like, alternative media groups.

And saying, like, you know what? You can't sit with us. We had to eat your slop for, like, the longest. Now here's our slop if you're interested. And that's a great shift of power that can happen, which I kind of not mad at. But the funny thing is, is you're right. The First Amendment gives you the right to report doesn't give you the right to be the White House, which I agree.

Doesn't give you, yeah, doesn't. It gives you that to report and free media without persecution and, you know, but I'm going to say this. There's a lot of BS that is being reported by, I hate political, first of all, like quite literally hate them as an organization because they just can't tell a story accurately to save their failing publication's life. Like, they just can't do it. It's just so bad. And they're owned by the Germans now. Oh, whatever. Well, yeah.

That's not a problem for us. Meddling in our democracy. We've clearly proved. in the past that we don't have an issue with the Germans. There's two things going on here. There's two debates, really, is one, can he do this? The answer is yes. I mean, again, the first amendment argument's ridiculous.

It's his house, as you pointed out. The real debate is, like, is this the right decision, especially right now? And I think that's a bit more interesting of a debate. I mean, MS now, that should have been banned day one. They're a rag. Politico, to your point, there's some really suspicious pieces they've put out. certainly in the second Trump term. But like CNN, I think, I don't know.

I feel like maybe I'm going to get, you know, I'm probably get rinsed for this. But I think CNN's been decent in the second Trump term. Give me an example of a decent story they've put out. Well, relative to the first term or the first term, they'd bring on these hysterical. You had Jim Acosta being crazy, like completely crazy. Jim Acosta's a nut job. He's an unstable man on male menopause or whatever. Yeah, exactly.

But like broadly speaking, I think the legacy media has behaved a little bit better in the second term, at least in the White House. I think the Pentagon ban made a lot more sense because they were just like fishing for information from disgruntled Pentagon reporters. Yeah. And that was a national security threat where, again, you're seeing these like salacious stories come out, specifically in Axios. And you never really see them denied from the Trump administration. They're just simply upset that it got out. And they're wondering who it was. Oh, it's planted by someone at the White House, usually if it's an Axiote. Yeah. Yeah. Usually it's planted. Axios doesn't get scoops. They get fed.

It scores out. narratives. Yeah, they get fetonographers. Yeah, there's stenographers and it's score settling and that sort of thing. Where we were, stenographers is a good way to put it. And then Politico's kind of a mixed bag. But yeah, I miss now I'm totally in favor of any. But yeah, like CNN, I don't know.

From my perspective, I'm just like, I think this antagonizes them where it's like, at least there was some sort of working relationship occurring where I'm like now they're going to have a chip on their shoulder. The reporting's getting a lot uglier. And as we know, President Trump cared a lot more about these outlets in the first term. Now that he's kind of in his bubble on truth social, he doesn't care as much. And I'm like, I don't even know if he's going to be able to combat a lot of these narratives now coming out of CNN. Because, you know, they reported a bogus story in 2018.

He's on Twitter immediately explaining the situation, calling them retarded or whatever. In the second term, he's not going to see that stuff. So you're going to have depend on, like, you know, his, you know, guys on Twitter that are, like, going to bat for him to, like, dispel a lot of the stuff. It's, I just, I think it's, like, broadly a bad idea. I don't know if this was really, I don't know if this has been a problem per se. And Trump 2.0 has been just ridiculous reporting from CNN. Like, it wasn't the first term. I think you could maybe say in the first term, it was a serious impediment to the Trump administration.

I think Trump deals with things on a very personal level. And it's not ideology, right? When Reagan was president, everything had to be plugged into, like, the ideology, or what did Goldwater say 20 years ago or Milton Friedman or something? With President Trump, he was, I think, you know, he was very good to the White House Correspondents Association. There was the crazy shooting, and he said, we're going to try to do it tonight. It didn't work. He said they restall.

Like, they raised a ton of money selling tickets. They raised the prices for him to speak at their dinner. And I would think that he expected that if he was so good to them, they would at least be decent to him. And instead, they're incredible. Is that what you're suggesting? Yeah, but I think that's how he operates because as a builder in New York with handshake. I don't think that's, I don't think that's the issue here. The issue is, is President Trump's administration can literally cure cancer.

And CNN will find a way to report on that negatively. I'm going to bring you back to, do you remember vaccine skepticism? Do you remember where that started? Well, it's, I don't remember where it started. Oh, Operation Warp Speed came out during the, and I'm not making the guys. No, not making the case here. I'm just telling you how they're biased and how they're contradictory. Operation Warp Speed was, you know, as President Trump likes to say, a great accomplishment for him, which I think we can all agree.

As far as efficiency and speed, don't really like the results of what came out of Operation Warp Speed, which is now we're seeing the result of it. But CNN initially reported it as irresponsible, premature, that people shouldn't take this. Kamala Harris certainly went out there at the time and says, I'm not taking anything that's coming out of this administration to then take that body of work a few months later. when Biden and Obama, I was going to say Obama, technically, when Obama had his third term in office with Kamala Harris, they wouldn't start talking favorably about the vaccine and how amazing everything was. So it's very frustrating to be there every single day. And, you know, I think President Trump wakes up and puts his best foot forward every day and tries to do the best. And then comes in political and is a, they're a bunch of miserable. The thing is, if you look at the political editorial board at this point,

it's just a bunch of miserable over like middle-aged people who really have nothing better to do with their lives other than to freaking antagonize the life of the President of the United States. Well, I mean, wait. Well, it's also a lobbying. It's also a lobbying organization. What was the last part you said? They're miserable.

They're a bunch of overweight, miserable. I mean, I'm overweight, so I can say it. They're a bunch of overweight, miserable middle-aged people who have nothing better to do than antagonize the president. Well, I mean, they'll take his accomplishments and turn them into negatives. But they're they're antagonizing the president because Trump represents a, a sea change of what is acceptable in Washington. What is acceptable? Well, I've- It's a cesspool. What's accessible and it's acceptable?

What is acceptable? The point is he's showing that the establishment, and he has shown, I mean, I forget who it was. One of the guys on Morning Joe, this is back in the first one. Like his, when Trump was running, he's like Donald Trump is a big middle finger to the establishment.

And he really is. He's always been that way. Joe Scarborough said that. No, it wasn't Scarborough. It was one of the guys, Willie Geist. It was on Joe Scarborough's show. I thought he said that. No, he's not the one who quoted it. I remember when Sam Stein at Huffington Post said, we're not even going to, he's not even going to cover him anymore.

But the way that the media, and the way that the establishment has treated Donald Trump, he's always looking for some way to basically get back in him. And I agree with Tate, this is probably counterproductive.

You think timing wise? Yeah, well, just, yeah, in general. You know, like, if Trump, if the media had, you know, kind of tried to butter Trump up in Trump one, then he would have laid down, shown his belly, and they'd have been

best friends, right? He's just looking for someone that's going to kiss his butt. That's the way that he, that's the way he operates. Huck her up political. I think, no, I think he's more obsessed with, and I'm not using this pejorative, I don't really blame him. I mean, this is the world he comes from, but I think he is very concerned with his perception among them. I mean, that's obvious. He's concerned with his perception on the media, because it's like, on one hand, okay, we're making this play here. We're booting CNN and MSNBC and all them from the press pool. But he still gives these one-on-one interviews to legacy media all the time. I mean, he just sat down with NBC News like two months ago for like two hours and they released the full unedited interview. I mean, I saw when he did with

Axios like two weeks ago. Again, I mean, that's a slightly different flavor there. But again, if he had constantly been rewarding, you know, smaller media outlets all the time and then this play happens, that's one thing. But it's like, okay, I think he's, again, just demonstrated he's mad at they're reporting, but he still will give them the interviews when he feels like it's safe. And that's what's frustrating. I mean, it was good to see he gave G.B. News, like, two hours, like two weeks ago. But that's like an outlier. It's either Fox, G.B. News, and those are the only two outlets on the right that will ever

get any, like, one-on-one time with Trump. Like, if he's sitting down with, you know, and I'm not saying Timcast, but if he's sitting down of, like, distinctly conservative outlets, giving them, you know, two hours of their time. Like he did during the campaign. Like he did during the campaign. and then he makes this play. I'm like, this is consistent, this tracks, this makes sense. Otherwise, to me, and to a lot of people, it comes off as like, okay, well, approval

rating has ever been lower. So the last thing they want right now is bad press coming from the White House. I mean, it ultimately seems like what's going on here. I'm going to say this to you in a very gentlemanly-like way. I don't give a flying what people think about perception. you know why Trump's numbers were always bad according to legacy media he could he had no shot in hell to win reelection and where is he right now so to to your point i just don't i don't i stopped listening to polls and and approval readings a long time ago because i get pulled all the time in

pennsylvania i just answer everything opposite of what they're asking me just to throw them off and a lot of people i mean and this is my point this is why i'm saying trump shouldn't really care as much anymore should just be giving that time, lending that credibility, giving these smaller outlets the cachet. So then going forward, this can be huge from it. Because Vance or whoever comes next will probably do this. But when you're sitting down for two hours with CBS News, it's like... God bless you. You need a trophy for that.

Like the economy. The mainstream media, right, especially CNN, is constantly banging the pots and pans about how horrible the economy is. When by every measurement, the economy is good, the labor market is good. good. For who? Well, it's for a lot of, it's like, unemployment's what? I'm asking you a serious question. For who is the economy? The problem is that the, I'm sorry, I just want to say that there are problems. That one triggers me a little bit, my bad. I'm saying, okay, sure, there's problems caused by the-60% of Americans right now are not doing well. Yeah, well, that's true every single time. It's like every year you can say there are people suffering. What I'm saying

is that on the main, the U.S. economy is strong and growing, and the malls are coming back, the office buildings are coming back. It's like people aren't getting, they're calling it a high, no higher, no fire, but the labor market is solid. And we were told the labor market would get destroyed. We were told the tariffs would cause all sorts of crazy inflation. The economy is not going off the cliff, the way they keep selling it. And it's like, if you listen to these guys, you'd swear we were in a depression, and we're actually not. The problem that you're, that you didn't address is because of the inflation in 22, 23, people that are, are below the median income, right?

They're making, they're making in the lower end of average income. Their dollar doesn't go far enough because- It hasn't gone back. Well, it's not that it's going to go back, but wages, you know, inflation comes up. And then wages get, you know, wages get, you know, wages get, go. up to meet the cost and wages haven't risen and so there's a lot of people especially young people that are feeling that right now young people have a real chip on their shoulder right now because they had a they had a basically they believed that the that Donald Trump was going to do something

about the Epstein files and they don't think that anything was done they have a problem with the war in Iran they have a problem paying for gas and their dollar doesn't go as far as as it used to or it did five years ago. Obviously, young people, they don't know how far it went. If you're 20 years old, you don't have a real sense of what the dollar was worth in 2018, right?

But they know that they can't pay their bills. They know that they can't afford to find a house. They can't afford a down payment. They can't have more kids. Well, they don't have any kids. And so young people are getting really, really, really screwed right now. and whether or not the economy is actually doing well, the stock market is doing well,

but for the young people, that's bad because they don't have any, they don't own any property. They don't own anything. So as the value of things goes up, the manufacturing and the mining, all that stuff is coming back online. It's like it's not going to happen right away,

but it's like the idea, you know, we're building new factories, we're opening new mines. I think, and people are moving their factories to the United States. It's just we're not hearing that story. We're being told almost the opposite. I don't disagree with you at all.

I understand what you're saying. But if you're 22, 23, 24, you don't have anything. And you can barely pay for rent. You got three roommates. They thought everything would change on January 20th. Well, I agree with that, yes. And so you're saying to young people, right, someone that's 22 years old, right? Five years is like, you know, 25%, almost 25% of their life.

So if you're like, give it five years and things are going to be way better for you, they're not, they're not hearing that. That's not going to, they're not going to hear that at all. So what they're going to say is, if I'm going to go out and vote, I'm going to go out and vote for the other guys, even though that's the worst idea imaginable, right? So you've got young people that are really, really, really, really online and you've got young people that are really, really, really feeling the crunch right now. So trying to convince them.

You have people who want the Democrats to be in power. and then you also have a lot of people who want to send a message. They're going to vote for the Democrats. Even if they even understand that the Democratic program is going to kill them, but they just want to express that hurt and that regret and that frustration. And the only way they know how is to throw the bums out. And so the point that I'm making, again, we're in complete agreement about that. But to this particular point, Donald Trump kicking out the media doesn't help him

get the message that he wants to get out out. Doesn't hurt him either. They're so obnoxious. There's enough. Quite frankly, MS now is so bad that NBC had to kick that wing of the company off because it's so truth challenge. Young people care or they just. Look at me talking about truth challenge.

Hell has frozen over. Young people care or are they going to say, look it, he's kicking him out because they're not giving him good coverage because he did all these bad things. People are going to fill in the blank. Exactly. They're going to say this happened and this happened because he doesn't want to talk about the things that I'm concerned with. Whether or not he does want to talk about those things isn't relevant. People are going to, people are going to see that they kicked, you know, they kicked out the mainstream media.

And they're going to say, well, they were going to press him on the things that I care about, even if they weren't going to. People fill in the blanks themselves. I want to piggyback off you really quick. I'm about the economy. I'm 32. My fan base in music is predominantly like, let's call it 18 to 26, right? They're the new generation. It's problematic.

For certain extent. No fan, no groupies. All of our needs. I'm celibate. So that's my fan base and like we can see across, on my label, I have 70 different artists. Right. And we can see across the board, ticket sales plummeting, merch sales plummeting, because a t-shirt back like two years ago was $30.

And now you gotta sell that for 60. for 60 and people don't have money. There's no more money. Their tours are being canceled. Well, tour they're getting canceled because there's no money. Kids can't afford it. You got to me? No, that's, I'm sorry. I'm going to say this. Phil just went on tour. But there's a difference between doing 500-500-capped venues, two-thous-a-ve-ve-ve-old. You just had a very successful tour. It was really good tour, yeah. And people showed up. Yeah, we keep our ticket prices. Tickets are still selling, right? But not across the board how they used to. So now if 20

acts went on the road during the fall, instead of all 20 acts getting sold out, you might see a quartered them selling out. And to be honest with you, George, I'm really, really glad that we went on on tour in May as opposed to trying to go now. Diesel, the cost that it is. Oh, oh, no, forget it. Look, look. The gayest war on earth is costing us a fortune in everything. I know this. For you print a t-shirt, a blank would cost you $2. And now that blank costs you $7,8. And I have friends can't pay their bills. Their rent's going up every day. They can't own a home because when I with a kid that home would be what 200,000 now it's 800,000 and like you said kids don't want to wait five 10 years people want results now and yeah it sounds insane to wanting results right now but then you go

back and it's like you said well who are you going to vote for right obviously the leftists have lost their mind because their whole memo now is pronouns and being progressive and that that's our ideology but then if you look on the right you know i i voted for trump two times i i was a trumper i lost my faith in him. I generally am not a Trump or anymore. Um, I did vote for him and I, you're not a Trump or anymore? I can't. Why? I just, I think, in Miami, I think when you would like him, but just because I don't like him doesn't mean I started with the left, like in no shape, wear or form, like blue hair barista, get away for me freak. Like, I don't want to be. Yeah, but if you're comparing him again, they make great coffee. If he had a real candidate against him, like Newsom,

right? If you, if you're, you're, you're just saying, okay, I'm upset with Trump, but if you were had to choose between Trump and some dem-a real Democrat. But I wish I didn't have to choose between that. And you're also forgetting the other option, which is just stay home. Well, that's what's going to happen, actually. That's what we're seeing in the midterms. Because, I mean, to your point, it's like the macro economic numbers coming in from BLS are solid, right?

Like, unemployment, the jobs, everything checks out. Problem is inflation's running red hot. But what was in that BLS, the last BLS, like, no one's paying attention to is the year over year hourly wages is down from last. year and like that is the number that answers why people are so demoralized right now coming in the midterm so it's like yes gas is high but also the little piece of the puzzle people are missing is they feel like their dollar they can't stretch their dollar as far as they used to especially it with inflation still growing if those hour over hour earnings are going down actually relative to last

year that people are going to get really pissed off and it's like I mean honestly if you look at I mean this is like getting like Bloomberg stuff here but like there's a lot of concern that the market's like overheating now that like we're re-excelled. going to Q3, and now people are terrified, like, now the Fed's, like, in a box right now, where the consumers, consumer spending is still sky high while hourly wages are down, while inflation is high, businesses are, like, accumulate. We expanded the trade deficit, and it's not to the fault of, like, the tariffs failing, but it's just because these businesses are acquiring so many goods right now. And there's private capital that can't get an ex-

ex- Well, not just that. No, there's, there's like, what was it, $2 trillion dollars financial times reported of dry powder of capital, uninvested capital right now, that they rather be eaten up by negative am than actually risk it in a volatile economy, which hurts us. And that's, that's a direct response to why you're seeing wages stagnant. Yeah, well, yeah, but then, yeah, additionally, it's just seeing these businesses actually like firing back up again while wages aren't growing, while we're still in this no fire, no higher kind of Mexican standoff. It's like, it's a pretty precarious situation. But I think that number explains why Americans are seemingly fresh, even though it's like, yeah, again, you look on the macro, the economy's good.

this is why Americans are fresh because they're not feeling the benefit right now. And I think that's most... Look, Republicans need some ammo going on the stump and these gas prices aren't helping. Not just... Not even go... Stop. Mass deportations are great. I get it. I'm saying don't go after the poultry farm people. Just go over...

Go to Silicon Valley. Take care of the H-1Bs. Go to both of the places. Go to all the places. How about that? Dude, do you want to do a real big cleanup in the United States? set a checkpoint in bifurcating, Newark, New Jersey, Miami, Florida, New York City. And the problem, you'll pick up like a quarter million people in like literally an operation.

The problem with what you're talking about is because the people in Silicon Valley have visas, they're here technically here. They're legally. So you can't go after them. You can't go after the merits of how they obtain them. But that's, that's more complicated than the dude. I'm from the tri-state area. You know what I'm telling you is true.

If you just set up checkpoints across the tri-state area, it's a easy quarter million people. Flushing Meadows, you can drag that like a quarter million. Flushing Meadows Park. Like go there on a Sunday in the tailgates. All you're going to hear is Batchatakumbia and a lot of people cooking out of their trunks. You know, and I'm sorry to say this. It sounds horrible. They're potentially not doing anything wrong, but they've done something wrong, which is stay here illegally.

But look, the whole debate is around TV. Right? Who's going to report on this if CNN and political and MS now is not there? But wait, there's a salvation. Trump TV is coming soon to a app near you. They said it couldn't be done. And they said it could be done. So I think Trump is potentially present. Trump's carving out space for his own network.

That could very well be the, I mean, it's funny because I think you could, we could by name like five or six outlets that maybe fit this billing already. But. Ouch. Yeah. It's fine. I mean, I love Trump. And I'll be tuning.

into Trump TV. And I'd like to get a spot. That'd be quite nice to appear on there. But yeah, I mean, you know, this is like going back to the earlier issue, though, is like the imperative to communicate these economic victories, so to speak, isn't on CNN. It isn't even on MSNBC. What you have to do is you have to, like, supply ammo for these Republicans that are on the stump right now. And again, when people are driving to your rally and they fill their truck up for 80 bucks, it's like, that just completely nukes any speech the Republicans had ready to go. This is why you see a lot of these Republicans in competitive races like Michigan, like in Texas. And they're kind of having to like look for other attack vectors on these. Or they're attacking the president. No. Well, I'm saying if gas is

really high, it doesn't give the Republicans much ammo to work with. I'm saying the Republicans now. Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, you have like, yeah, you had a, I think it was what Rogers just came out. And he's saying like, end this war. That tells you, first of all, the internal polls are screaming. And then second of all, it tells you every single constituents going up to him and saying the same things from a personal level, from a human level. He's like trying to. basically make a decision here and see what's best for his voters. Either way, that indicates that he's ran out of ammo on the stump and now he's having to sort of look elsewhere. I mean, Trump TV is solution to that. That's great.

I mean, I mean it. I'm not being, I'm not, I'm sorry, to put on glasses. The lights are really strong in here. The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the ammo you're talking about is, is, is kind of like moot because it's not like those outlets are going to give him anything. Well, what's I'm saying. It needs to be the imperatives on the Republicans and the communicate that. The problem is like the biggest Trump victories right now have low salience with the American people. So it's like immigration is moving in the right direction. He's like, you know, really gone after the DEI, affirmative action, et cetera. He's like basically patched up the asylum system. The problem is like a... Patched up is a problem is a patched up is a problem. I'm getting out just real quick though. The problem is it's like low salience for American voters where it's like hard to explain to them. They like the basics of it, but they're going to fall asleep when you try to like really flush it out. And it's like, this is buying us a lot more real estate long term. But again, if you're like in a dog fight with El Saeed and he's talking about socialism, that's not going to help you. That's like you're making, he's making an economic debate. As misguided as he is, that is providing an answer as, again, as misguided

as it is, it is providing an answer to these concerns that these voters have coming in. They don't want to hear about immigration. They should. They should want to hear about immigration because it's their most pressing issue, but they don't necessarily. And you just kind of have to play ball. I mean, at least that's what I'm seeing. Yeah, well, let's see if there's going to be a ball left to play. Nick, you were trying to say something. I'm sorry, we kind of railroaded you there. It was about the economy thing. Yeah. You think it's great or bad? No, the economy is shit. I don't think it's shit. I don't think it's shit. It's not great. A lot of people are waking up. Please tell me how you feel. A lot of people are waking up now. Like, stuff's expensive. I'm lucky and

I'm happy. Is it expensive for you though? No, like, listen, but I'm not, I can't speak like a quote unquote normal person because I'm lucky. You're not normal? I'm just, lucky I can. No, his situation is he's not like a regular guy. I'm lucky I make more money than the average and I'm happy and I'm blessed. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm never take that for granted. But, you know, we have an elitist amongst us people? But if I put myself in like, normal people shoes, which I don't want to say normal. You're not normal. It's like, brother, like, it doesn't work. Like my friends, a lot of my friends are struggling. Yeah, me like, they can't come on. But you're so lucky. Well, I do, but if I help out to help out two. Man. But he's like,

I help out. Can you leave you alone? No. I dag at him. No. No. I was like, I was, I was, I enjoy this okay I gave my friend jobs they can work on the podcast they work on the road oh look at you you like the next tim pool we let the former manager selling merch but it just doesn't work right like the world is going in some weird direction right where it's I think in my opinion on the left everyone's a socialist now that's their new a socialist is kind it's more like Marxist but then on the right like I feel like people have literally not all them but some of them have forgotten to put the American people first like let's take care of our kids so our young men are young women.

To your point, what kind of policy is it that you would like to see? And keep in mind, the president isn't the king. Yeah, there's people above the president. All hell,

King Trump. No, no, the point that I'm making is policies are legislation written by Congress. So it's something that has to be able to get through Congress. Yeah.

I don't think there's anyone above the president. You don't think there's, listen, no conspiracy theorists like me and you one-on-one. No. You don't think there's any one above any president known to mankind.

No. Okay, please. I don't know. No, God. I'm sorry. In America. Okay. You're talking a human being? Oh, my God. Please. Holy Ghost. No, I got it. I got it. The Rothschild. Oh, you say it. You smile when I said the name. I'm not saying the raw child, but I do think there's more than me. The raw child. Yeah, they're raw. So who, okay, so you're the one that's making, or bringing up the point.

Who or what do you think is above the president? I do think. And, and, and, and, and, and, I'm not going to sit here and be like, it's the Jews, it's the Muslim. I'm asking, I'm asking, so you're saying that there is, are you alluding to a person or an organization? I think it's an organization or a group of people, right? The Illuminati. Not the Illuminati, but do I think there's people above him?

Yeah, am I going to make, am I going to sit here and be like the raw child or something like that? No, I'm not going to say that point fingers. But do I think there's a greater elites above people? 100%. Above the president? 100%. So if you're saying that there are organizations that can apply, pressure to the president, then yes, I think that that's true.

So, but that they're not organizations that are like, I mean, you'll get, you know, people in, in business, they'll say, look, this is really bad for our business. This is bad for this sector of the economy. They can apply pressure that way. But when it comes to the actual decision making, I still think the president is the one that will make the decision. Now, that doesn't mean that people can't try and sway them. It doesn't mean that, like, you know, the Rotary Club or whatever, you know, the chairman of the Fed, whoever you're talking, whoever, like many different people will try to convince the president that a certain policy is a good thing.

But at the end of the day, I think the president actually makes the decision. Are you saying that the president doesn't make the decision? No, obviously he makes decisions 100%. But I do think there's some swing, whether it's a foreign law. lobbyist or just people in his ear or something. Does he make decisions? Sure. But do I think he has people in his ear? 100%. Now all the time. So then I think we're actually in agreement because there's in the president is a political actor. And political actors always have people trying to sway their opinion, trying to influence the, the, the decisions that are made. So if this is the way that you're, if I'm, if I'm, I'm articulating what you're saying correctly, then yes, we're in agreement.

But when you say people above the president, it implies someone tells the president, this is what you're going to do. And then the president does it because someone else told them. I will say I think for certain actions, sure. I'm not saying everything. I'm going to think everything Trump has done or Obama has done or Bush has done has been from an elite. That's insane. But do I think there are elites? Did somebody put the touch on him to take military action again?

against Iran. See, I think that's a big rabbit hole. Well, but what's your, like give us a... Yes, that's why I asked. My thing is this. Don't go down the rabbit hole. Give us the elevator pitch. Do it. I think that we... We have a lot of stuff to talk about. I think that us, the American people need and America needed to go to war with Iran. We didn't need to go to war or Iran. I don't think. Do you think so, Phil?

I don't think we need to go to World War II. Do you only care about Phil's opinion? No, he's kind of scary, so he might jump across the table. Oh, Phil? I mean, I was against the Iran war before we went in. I was seeing it on the show multiple times. I was like, yeah, we actually argued about that. Yeah.

Do you think we should have been there, George? I don't think we should have been there. We should have ended it a long time ago. I don't understand how this went from, this is my take as somebody who's served in Congress, regardless of the time. This was a big issue for me because of where I represented. If you understood the demographics, Iran's a big issue in that district because I have the second largest Persian community of exiles, essentially Jews who were kicked out of Iran or they would die. Right.

So I always thought that there was something to be dealt with in Iran, but I never wanted war. So, hey, blowing up their nukes and their facilities and maybe they're fucking, whoever the guy with the towel up is that is, go ahead, have fun, you know. But this is now becoming dragged out. Like, I'm not going to say Iraq or Afghanistan drag out, but this is, this is kind of, I'm over it. Comparing? You can't compare them.

And do you see this ending soon? I hope so. There's talk of people in Iran starting to attack IRGC members, starting to attack the police. And I'm not saying this is likely. I'm not saying that I think this is going to happen very soon. But it's possible that the Iranian people actually do start fighting their government. and the government loses control, at least to the extent where they won't be able to fight their people and the rest of the Middle East. The problem is like the, because we get this reporting like every three months that like such and such group has exchanged fire with the Iranians, et cetera.

Those people, they're typically ethnic minorities. So this last one was the blooks. They've been going at it with the Iranians since the Stone Age. So I mean like a lot of this reporting that like there is this eminent uprising tends to be false. Additionally, Iran from the outside, I mean, for posterity was fully against it from the outside. I was even concerned at the strikes last summer. The understanding was, okay, look, we go in here. These people are prime for revolution.

So we can go here and, you know, take out the trash, so to speak. Because, I mean, certainly the Iranian regime is quite detestable. Then these people will rise up. We've created space and they can rise up and whatever. And then it turned out to be the complete opposite where it ended up kind of being a rallying. the government ended up becoming something for these people to rally around where we've seen for the last six months including this last weekend massive demonstrations in the streets of Tehran of Iranian people of Persian people specifically supporting you know supporting the regime

um and I think there's kind of this this this point where it's like if you were if you are in the camp of like serious concern the Iranian regime needs to go that's your North Star or even that's like an imperative for you there's an argument to be made it might have been better off just like letting the revolutions run their course prior to this intervention. But this intervention has kind of created the same dynamic that happened in World War II with Germany, where the German people were also primed to start sort of attacking and trying to overthrow the regime. And then the Western, the allies sort of bombing them, and then ended up rallying around

the Third Reich. And then it made it even harder to break that up. So, yeah, I just think it was not just a mistake from like a political perspective, because Trump had promised no new wars. But additionally, it was kind of a mistake just from a geopolitical perspective. and even a military perspective because the trajectory from then actually looks more promising

than what we currently are where for my perspective again as an amateur geopolitical commentator, very amateur, I see this stretching out potentially even in 2027 because the Houthis have demonstrated they can lay some serious blows

on the Saudis and that ropes the Saudis into the war. What's the population? What's the size of the Houthis at this point? It's estimated to be what like two, three thousand deep at best? Top I've seen as 10,000. Yeah, like well, active though,

like on the ground. they're saying 3,000 at best. They do. Yeah, they do shifts, right? As they call it. If they can shut off, if they can shut off that the south. Spigot. If they can close the southern entrance to the Red Sea, right? There was a container ship that went to ground for like five days, like four or five years ago. It backed up 400 ships that affected trade all over the world. And it's like if you were to shut off the Red Sea for like instead of five days, or maybe like a month, that would be pretty significant. And so they can, you know, they can do harm.

And it's like they haven't been, the Saudis have been bombing them for 10 years. Yeah, well, I mean, we saw, it was last year when the, when the Houthis were, the Mendeb. We bombed them. Yeah, we bombed them. And the Houthis were blocking up the Red Sea again for like a week. And they were saying, they were basically trying to twist the Israelis arm. They were saying, you need to stop bombing Gaza. And then we'll stop bombing these cargo ships.

And Europe and East Asia cried uncle. They were like, we're going to have an oil shock, like relax, just give them what they want. Seats fire came about. The Houthis stopped firing, which is kind of funny that they actually followed through on their word. But here we are, again, at this very, I think this is like an inflection point right now is the U.S. is in a really tough spot. I don't know if you saw the reporting today, I think France 24 was one that reported it, was the United States told the Saudis, we're not backing you up. So they're getting like wrecked by the Houthis right now. And we've told the Saudis, we're not backing you up because we don't want to piss off the Houthis because if they shut that straight down,

we're kind of teetering on the edge of an oil shock right now. That will instigate a devastating effect for the global economy. And the Trump administration is like, we don't want to deal with that right now. So Saudis... We don't want a depression right before the midterm. And you're telling the Saudis are like, what? But the Saudis kind of get it. This is what's interesting.

And this is what's not being talked about is tomorrow the Americans are having a sit-down meeting with all of the Gulf state leaders. I am really curious to hear what's going to come out of that meeting because it's not going to be a discussion about strategy or military. It's going to be a discussion of what happens after this war is over because these Gulf states are furious. And again, the fact that we can't even back up the Saudis. Again, I'm okay with that because I don't want the Houthis shutting down the straight. That just demonstrates it's a very like volatile, unstable region.

Things can disrupt the entire global economy can fall to its knees like quite quickly at the hands of basically like Tuscan Raiders. My problem is what was the war for if you're telling me to stop Iran's war from having a nuclear weapons program. all right, we'll take out pickaxe Mountain. Yeah. Take it out. If you're, it's just pick, I'm told it's regime change. I'm told we're going to go after their oil. We don't know.

Can we accept the military? Can we accept the fact that we don't know? We don't know. We don't know. We don't know. We don't know. The White House hasn't been overly clear. Well, the White House actually has been clear, but then the Department of War hasn't been.

And it just becomes convoluted. Congress hasn't really stepped in. like a third of our Navy. While the world is on fire, and we can talk about this war, but I'm not going to spend the next two hours talking about Iran. I agree. I mean, it's pretty exhausting. Well, here's something that's not as exhausting, but quite shocking and revolting and brilliant all at the same time. Trump meets with Mandami today at Gracie Mansion. The Gracie Mansion, for those of you who are not from New York, is the residence, this mansion on the Upper East Side, with sprawling views and famous.

known for Bill de Blasio building a fence twice as high as city ordinance allows to protect him for privacy. Trump went to visit Mondami. Now, interesting thing is, is the headline from the New York Post reads very interesting. Trump tells socialist Mondami he could be a great mayor for New York City after Gracie Mansion Love Fest. We spoke about Marxists earlier, socialists. I mean, this is the face of absolute all evil in those two categories combined. And Tate, you said it. This could be either really, really good or just really, really bad.

Because this is President Trump. This is what he does best, right? The power of perception and the way he works in media. This should be a awful day, newsday, today and tomorrow from Mondami, because he's getting praise from Trump. Well, I mean, maybe. I mean, Tate's probably got more insight in this. But as far as I can tell, Trump's a New Yorker. He loves New York.

and he wants what's good for New York. So he wants to do what he can to influence Mamdani. Now, whether or not Mom Dani is influenible the same way that Trump is, I don't know. Oh, they're both pragmatic. I'll say this. Well, there's, yeah, I mean, there's two schools of thought here. One is Trump trying to sandbag Mamdani by glazing him and then the New Yorker's revolt. That is one school of thought with, you know, both of these schools thought, there's no concrete evidence of what Trump's thinking here.

I guess there's three schools thought. The second school of thought is Trump's being Trump. And then the third school of thought is, yes, Trump loves New York. And Memdani, and this is another one where it's like, I'm not trying to be a contrarian here. But he's taken a surprising, like, pragmatic rhetorical approach recently. Like he had this sit-down meeting or sit-down Q&A or whatever today. He was talking, he was almost like giving props to like right-wingers. He was saying, you know, right-wingers are really focused on like order and these sorts of things.

And that's something that we could probably emulate in New York City. What I think is going on is Mem-Dani. understands that he's like New York is their status as the financial capital of the United States is being threatened right now actively and is being acted out upon by the fact that so many major houses are moving out of New York City and he's having meetings with a lot of these guys and he's saying what do you need me to do what do you need me to communicate what do you need me to say to keep you and lower Manhattan. Stop texting the shit out of New Yorkers. How about that? Yeah well tax school corporate tax.

The second homes, the commuter tax. The second homes, the commuter tax. Because that's the dirty suggestions toll tax yeah well and the dirty secret is they're more than willing to eat the like little micro you know tip for tax taxes um what they're freaked out about is the pietier just a massively regressive george cluny complaining about that and robert deniro highlights of 2026 for me highlights well this is a little much well you voted for it you financed it you endorsed it and now you you know it's like oh no i was sleeping with the with the cheetahs oh no the cheetahs ate my face. In July of 25, he met with 150 CEOs of all the top companies in New York.

And then he weaponized one of their... They loved it. Yeah, yeah, but then he weaponized... I went to Bowden. I went to school with your kids or your grandkids. I speak well. I dress well. I smile at the end of every sentence.

He's a very pleasant guy. And he presents well. Yeah. He doesn't present scary. He is, and I do not mean this as a compliment whatsoever. A base of anarchy in my opinion. I think there's something to be said about that. And again, I'm not saying this as a compliment.

I'm saying this as like just an objective. He is what a millennial statesman looks like, for like a better word. And I think that's quite soothing for a lot of these guys. Additionally, yes, I think what he's doing is he's going to your Jamie Diamonds, etc. And he's saying, what do you need for me so I can keep up this aggressively left-wing social messaging while having covered like to pay the bill? So he'll have a two-track. Yeah.

So he's saying, look. He wants a license a talk out of both. outside of his mouth. Is that what you're saying? Here, J.P. Morgan, we're not going to F with you here, but I have to add J.P. Morgan, I have to tax you. It's like, okay, keep the Lamborghini out the window and I'll leave you alone. That's basically what's going on here. Yeah, look, I personally am, I'm skeptical of this guy as a New Yorker. I can tell you, I don't know a single person in New York in my group of friends, including some who voted for him, who are now seeing him as like this menace to society.

he's making New York more unaffordable with some of the things he's doing because he's catering to the bottom half of New York in lieu of the top half. He's catering instead of creating a happy medium where everybody benefits. But who he is catering to is your activist engine room. So he's catering to, I mean, for like basically these like recent arrivals from the third world who provide the votes for him. And then he's appealing to the yucky class, these young urban creatives who are the intellectual and again, the activist engine room for him. as long as he keeps them satiated and he keeps your Jamie Diamonds from moving to Florida or whatever, mission accomplished. He can say whatever he wants about, you know, any social policy or geopolitical thing. Like that doesn't matter.

And there's not really this, I don't think the Democrats really care about him very much. You know, some people are like, oh, well, you know, look at such and such activist or such and such politician from the 90s. That's something critical about him, Donnie. They don't care because he's D.O.A because he can't run for president. So they don't have to worry about, like, snuffing him out. He does learn from his mistakes. Like he didn't cancel school for the snow, right? He came back and made that right.

I think that he was surprised when they went after him for laughing at 9-11, when they were reading off the names, and he's smoking and joking with AOC. And I think that that sort of stung his machine. They weren't ready to handle it. And we'll see if he learns from that. Yeah, I think at his core, he is like the outcome of this. I think he's like adjacent to Ezra Klein.

It's kind of funny to say. I think he's like adjacent to Ezra Klein. And so far as he likes to lend like the pragmatism from him, but he's clearly also like this like Nelson Mandela, Marxist accolades. He'll always land left, but he'll talk. Yeah. But he likes to, he likes to explore. He likes to, um, he likes to think that he's this like pragmatist.

Again, he likes to make sure Ezra Klein doesn't think he's a communist. And I think that's like the North Star for a lot of these like millennial yucky types where they do like to thumb through Politico and feel like that they are they belong to this world I guess is what I'm trying to get at you know what they do do well and listen I don't like Mandami but you know what I think the Democrats do well right now is they open up their arms to his new age you know Democratic running so do we no I don't think the Republicans do and I've seen it we started we started the big tent movement check this out they open I think Hassan Pikers are in that case right like I think he's loony the the left let Hussein Assam Piker in, right? They let... Now they're trying to run him out. Abdul's hurting. Right?

AOC and Mandami. But you get a little too... What's the word? You get a little too crazy or a little too controversy on the right. And I don't feel like they accept you in. Yeah, because, listen, the left has always been driven

by the farthest of the left. Right? So the people like Hassan Pikers, like your Mamdani's, basically the socialist, right? The DSA types. even the communists, they're the ones that have driven what the left, you know, says and does for the past 20 years. The right excludes people because the furthest right, you end up with, you know, you're Nazis basically and, and identity politics, which the right has always tried

to avoid because any association with Nazis is a doomed politics. 100%, but you know, there's a little, like, you know, right now I think some Republicans are mad at Tucker. I'm a fan of him, right? But some people are like, I don't want him. He's too much. Yeah, I mean, even Fuentes, right? And does he go crazy, a little bit 100%. He goes off the rector scale, sure.

But I do think, you know, if the Republicans open up their arms a little bit, and I was like, hey, let's actually listen to the youth of today. And I just have a quote-unquote boomer mentality, I think he didn't go a little farther. Like he did during the campaign. And then it stopped. I thought what he, when he went alternative media, media, and the podcast. He's talking about Trump. In 24?

He's talking about like Aiden Ross and all right. And then it stopped. Yeah. I would have paid money to him sit where fat knick is. That's fine. But you still like, so we, there are people that, that are taught, like, make illusions to fascism. And I make a distinction.

Fascism and Nazism are different, right? All Nazis are fascists, but not all fascists. are Nazis. But the American public is not going to accept fascism. Like they're not. Anyone that alludes to that kind of authoritarianism on the right, they're automatically kicked out.

What Phil's getting at is, like, since World War II, we've lived in a liberal society. Liberals have basically, you know, dictated terms for the last, you know, 70 years. And so they've set up all the taboos. They have ensured what the taboos are,

where the lines are, et cetera, All of them are on the right. So it's like you can't go past certain lines on the right. That becomes a taboo and your excise from politics. The left doesn't have that because, and this is like the most, I mean, you could probably find this take on Prager You honestly, but it's like, why isn't communism, you know, perceived with the same level of taboo as Nazism, where it's like the death toll of communism far higher. Again, not a radical take here.

You can hear this on the Daily Wire even. But to my point, that is why Republicans are slightly less accommodating because you have a lot of these guys who are baby boomers. And they, like, they remember what the world was like after World War II. And they are, like, they're freaked out. And so any perceived, um, any perceived going off the rails or going off of the plantation, so to speak, they're going to like retract close ranks. That's just like a natural mechanism.

The left doesn't have that. The left doesn't have any taboos. But like, and, and to your point earlier, you said talking about the youth, like the youth doesn't vote. Boomers are still in, but hear me out. Boomers are still in control. Gen Z and Gen Alpha are significantly smaller than the boomers.

So until the boomers really start dying off, the boomers are still in control of what the Overton window is. And how much time do you have on that? What, 20 years? This is the first year where they've hit their average mortality. And also, I mean... The boomers born in 1946, the average life is...

All right, so we're like under 10 years then before that... Pretty much. Yeah. The problem is, and Gen Z does not vote outsize to what you would expect them to. So even though they have a smaller population than boomers, and then additionally, Zoomers don't vote at a very high rate. And that's not just because they're young. That's like unique to their generation.

They uniquely voted a low rate. I agree, right? But what did we see on Trump's when he just won, right? Gen Z popped out for him. And do I think I have to do a lot with Charlie. Gen Z male. Yeah. Not female.

Do I think I'd do the mail? But it was also. I'd have to do with Charlie Kirk. It was also a significant amount of Hispanics and a significant amount of blacks that voted for Yeah, but I think I have to do with, you know, Charlie Kirk being such a predominantly big speaker. I do think I'd do with him being on like the milk boys and Aidan Ross and all these like younger people generation. Like fishback, fishback. I'm a fishback fan.

He lost. A lot of Floridians like him. All my people in Florida love fishback, right? Generally do. I think he cared about Florida first and Florida people. I don't like Byron. Okay. I think he's an AI bought, my opinion.

I'm sorry what? An AI bought. Okay. All right. This is so off topic. No, no, no. Time out. This is so off topic. Name one good

James Fishback policy. And again, not debating you. Just generally curious. One thing I like is I don't like that, you know, a lot of... Policy. I don't think a lot of Floridians can afford homes right now and a lot of New Yorkers come and out-of-staters come and he wants to put a fine on them for like... We saved your

state from bankruptcy. COVID during COVID Florida was like best state ever. But I even... Because we spent money down there. I love New Yorkers. I'm my best friend of New Yorkers. That policy is probably unconstitutional. And if it goes... Also, out of stateers should get a discount

because we subsidize Florida's property insurance. Yeah, I mean, fair. But whether or not, whether or not... Without snowbirds, Florida... I mean, sorry, I'm so sorry to cut you off. This is... And this is not directed at you. It's directed at every single idiot

that wants to nuke. If every snowboarder or migrant from New York, from Boston, from left Florida, you guys would be in such economic ambles. We do bring the biggest money down there. None of that matters. Of course it matters.

No, it doesn't. They're trying to like kick us out. Let me finish. No, we're not going to kick you guys out. No, listen. You're going to house next to me you're more than welcome to it. None of that matters. None of that matters because the policy would go to the Supreme Court and it would be nine to zero.

No. Someone would go to the Supreme Court. I disagree. The Supreme Court would say nine to zero. No, it just never happened. So to my orange Jackson. would find a way to gavel in favor of that. Or like another one, Byron said he wanted to ban H1BV.

He can't. He can't. No, no, he can't. No, no, that could work. He can't. And fishback said, listen, he can't do that. But what I could do is if you bring in cheap workers, instead of them, quote unquote, taking the American people's jobs,

we're going to put a tax on the business people to pay extra for bringing them in and losing jobs to the Floridians. Look, that's also highly unconstitutional. unconstitutional, by the way. That's a lot of things that's like. So, so yeah, so James Fishback, I don't know him. And I'm way off topic, but I'm just going to indulge you on this because you brought him up. And I love hearing different perspectives. I know Byron Donald's fairly well, okay? I would dare call him a friend.

I think he's a very smart man. Like many Americans, myself included, he's had a rocky life, you know? He's ups and down, some really low lows and some high highs. And I think he's a great guy. The problem is that the entire James Fishback campaign revolted kind of in hate. Like, racism and hate. Byron? What was what was positive of calling Byron Donald's Byron?

Just give me one example of positivity that comes from that. I'm not just- Rhetoricalical racist rhetoric is- Racism, right? I don't think James Fishback is racist. I do think James Fishback- He says some pretty racist stuff when he was running. I mean, yeah, but has Trump said some racist stuff?

Sure. Has a lot of people said some stuff like that? Yeah, 100%. Well, it has Trump to that was racist? We got to... What was Trump said that was racist? When he said all Mexicans were the R word? Rapists?

Yeah, they're not all. I know some great Mexicans. Somebody's... Anyway, but everyone says some stuff like that. You got me? No, no, I'm like, I understand what you're trying to say. We can't pick and choose. Like, you know, people say crazy stuff all the time.

Take a way to grain of salt. I don't think you said that, though. He never said that. I'm gonna find it after this. You have your phone on you want to be the guy in the middle of the goddamn The hell of that. Hell is that. Be it receipts, bro, defend your position.

We'll keep talking in the meantime. I will come back to this because this is not even part of the topic. But look, I think we've given enough air to somebody who's literally irrelevant like Jane Fishback right now. So I'm going to stop right there. Phil, we were talking earlier before the show. And you know what? You kind of like made me really self-aware of how disconnected I've kind of been from what's going on in the world. Oh, yeah.

I was caught in the L.A. bubble for almost a week. I'm like doing Hollywood red carpets and nonsense. By the way, shameless plug, Thursday at 9 p.m. Eastern, I hope you all tune out to Fox to watch just Fat Boy here in the jungle in Malaysia for Special Forces Season 5. That's what I was caught up all week in L.A. for, like doing red carpets and promos and stuff like that. And then Phil, I sit here and Phil's like, George, what do you think about Putin provoking NATO and inching closer in, sorry, what was it again? Estonian.

Yeah, Macedonian. troops, not Macedonia. Oh, sorry. Estonia. There you go. It's a former Soviet. Yeah, yeah. So he's massing troops on the Estonian border. He's calling it, you know, exercises, which is exactly what he did before he went into Ukraine. And it looks like he's trying to poke holes in NATO's Article 5.

look he doesn't he's not going to try invading and taking over an entire country what his goal looks like it is is to try to get the United States essentially because the United States is the actual bullwork in Persian into Estonia Estonia can say article five come help me yeah and and if I mean look the whole world is going to say we don't want the United States and Russia getting into, you know, kinetic conflict over Estonia, because Estonia is a small country and we don't want a nuclear war for one small country, which is a legitimate concern and basically the whole world would be like, don't do that. So what Russia wants is to poke holes into Article 5. They want to see, you know, Estonia say, look, hey, we're invoking Article 5.

and you know if Russia does anything, there's going to be plain loads of diplomats going to Estonia from the United States saying don't invoke Article 5, no matter what you do. But even if they don't invoke Article 5, then it emboldens Russia because say Russia goes in and it takes, you know, 10 square miles of Estonia, right? And they say, this is Russian territory now. There's no people in there, just woods, right? But if the United States, if Estonia says, well, fine, then they'll take another 10. and they'll keep pushing. And the goal isn't to actually get into a conflict with the U.S. The goal is to show holes in NATO.

So that way the whole of the world looks and says, well, we can't rely on the United States anymore. United States is not going to defend us the way that they, the way that we believe they should. Like a lot of people that NATO is pretty, has pretty fragile right now anyway. It's a fraud situation. I mean, I have a question for you.

NATO has a glassed yaw. What you just described essentially was, remember when Biden and Ukraine, he's like, if there's a small incursion, maybe we won't do it. But if it's a big incursion, we might do. This is kind of that same mentality. Do you think President Trump's going to fall under that same trap? Like, well, let's see how big of an incursion. I think zero tolerance. Article 5 is there for a reason.

But it brings me to another problem. That's war. Article 5 is war. Do we want to go to war with Russia? We definitely don't want to go to war with Russia. So how do we stop it? Because, well, the thing is, Russia, there was a, just today, there was a drone. They don't know where it came from, but it was outside of a, I think it's called an AWACS radar station in Poland,

poking at, you know, an actual NATO country. This kind of stuff is what Russia is going to, what Russia is well known for. Everyone that has paid attention to the Ukraine War remembers the little green men. they were definitely Russians, they were definitely sent there by Putin, but that was the start of the Ukraine, of the issues in Ukraine. And this is what Russia is going to do. No one wants to see the U.S. and Russia get into a full exchange, NATO and Russia or the U.S. and Russia. And this is just my opinion.

I've been saying it for a while. I think the U.S. should sort of pulled out of NATO a while ago, not because the U.S. shouldn't support Western Europe and countries that. that have been long-time allies. But the Article 5 that demands that the United States come to the defense of countries like former Soviet republics, that is a terrible idea. It's a terrible idea to make the United States say we have to. It's the entire predicate of why NATO was formed, right?

Yeah, but to stop the SSR from reforming. But they should, well, they should, no, not to deterrents. Not deter the U.S. USSR are from reforming. like those those countries should have never been letting to NATO at all in my opinion well but individual defense agreements with them I understand what you're saying but but I thought the entire you know preface of oh it's through NATO because we're going to go ahead and protect you know it was it was because it was in response to the Warsaw pact so like all of those countries used to be either Soviet or under Soviet influence and then at the end of the Cold War a boatload

of other countries joined NATO because they were looking to go towards the Western-style democracy. It's a fancy club that they wanted to be. Okay, so here's a question. So, so Belarus right now is on the news with Trump, right? So we have, we have this article that comes out at the Washington Post about Trump having to do a deal with Belarus on fertilizer because of Canadian tensions. And apparently Canada corners a market on this fertilizer.

I got probably botched. Potash. Yeah, there you go. probably one of the stuff that we probably don't even want what we don't want in our food. But how does that square away with the argument here? This is Belarus, a pretty antagonistic Russian proxy, who's in the mix of all the former SSR, like nations bordering with a bunch of them. And here we are having bilateral conversations.

The U.S. getting fertilizer from a country is not just a country, right? It's a major proxy of Russia, which, by the way, chances are this stuff is going to The money that's going to generate from this is going to probably go right into the Kremlin. I mean, look, let's not talk about money that's going to the Kremlin when all of Europe has been buying fuel from Russia for the entire Ukraine. You know what? No argument there. You know? No argument there.

What's the point of sanctions and partnerships and allies if they break our own sanctions? Well, I mean, I agree. Then we should sanction the shit out of Europe. But, well, I mean, maybe I don't care. But the, but the, the, the Pottash stuff, like, if you're purchasing fertilizer, that's, in my opinion, it's fine. but Belarus has been a client state of Russia for a long time. What's his name? Linkovich?

Something like that. I forget something like that. But look, he's going to do what Putin says. That's neither here nor there. I think that that's a tertiary topic when it comes to what's going on with NATO and stuff. But the concern is, you know, I mean, I don't think they're going to do, I don't think Russia is going to do anything to Finland. But, you know, look, the Baltic states, Latvia, Estonia, and I. I forget the third one.

Lithuania. In Lithuania. Like, you've got Kaliningrad right on the other side of those. So this is how this all kicked off was the Latvians came out and they said, hey, we keep eyes on Kalingrad. It's right there. And the Russians just flipped a bunch of brigades into divisions. So, you know, it's funny. When the war first kicked off, I took the position.

I was wrong just about everything regarding this war. To be fair, most people had this to share the same opinions I did, which was, first of all, we thought Russia was going to steamroll Ukraine. that didn't it's the opposite. At a very expensive cost to us is the reason we did it. Well, yeah, but additionally, I think we also demonstrated the Russian military. This isn't the Russian military of the 90s even. Of course not.

Additionally, I would roll my eyes when people are like, well, Russia has eyes on, you know, the rest of Europe or at least to like reform some semblance of the USSR. And I'd say, that's ridiculous. No, it's not. I mean, again, are they looking to go invade Lithuania tomorrow? No. But again, to Phil's point, I think it's a good terminology to use this. poking and prodding at NATO and seeing how serious they are. What's interesting is like the

Secretary General, I think it was last week, he came out and he's like, because you know, we set this new 5% benchmarks. You need to be spending 5% of your GDP on defense and a defense adjacent spending. Previously was 2%. This is why Spain ended up in the news because the Spanish were just being Spain. But the rut, he came out and he was like, hey, Canada and like pretty much 90% of Europe is on track. They're like maxing out defense contributions. Like they are going to meet this threshold. Like we still want to play ball here. So the Atlantis went from like being on the ropes here. So now like actually NATO might be an asset if the terms are on American terms where again, Europe has to rearm. There's no question about that. But from a realist perspective, the United States is saying,

actually this might be to our benefit if NATO is still in one piece, Europe rearms. And I think the Denmark thing, the Greenland situation is great demonstration of that without NATO I'm not sure how we get our midst on Denmark but communicating to Denmark communicating to the rest of Europe like hey if you play ball with us we'll play ball with you they're happy to give the US full rain over Greenland because they're like sweet we don't have to pay for anything now but here's a question for you okay um juseppe cavo dragoony um you know who juseppe cavo dragoon who is uh from nato came out saying NATO is ready to respond to a potential Russian escalation on Europe's eastern flank, the Alliance top general, came out and said that. And Saturday, I'm growing warnings of a possible stage attack by Moscow.

Now, the question is, people are even considering that there might be false flags and is reported by political, of all people. They think that there could be a false flag attack just to bait NATO into action. And so now we need to worry about bad actors trying to do a false flag. And by the way, who in the region could potentially benefit the most? And I know people hate it when I go down this path, but who could potential the most from a false flag attack right now that would trigger the full force of NATO and the U.S.? Ukrainians, obviously? Yeah, well, what's stopping the dirty actors? Because now we've established that there are dirty actors in Ukraine, right?

And Zelensky, who in my opinion has long overstayed his welcome as president. He's denying his people a free and fair election to seek new leadership just because of a, well, not just, but because of the war. I think this is concerning. I'm not going to go. My fear, my fear that I think my fear and every American's fear is, is that there might be a false flag by Vlodomier Zelensky or the Ukrainians or some fanatics out there who really want to see the bludgeon, full-on war apparatus of NATO to, quote, take out Russia, do something stupid to provoke it. And that's my fear. I agree. One, I don't want to see that at all.

I don't want to see us go to another war. And secondarily, definitely not going to go to the map for Zelensky for obvious reasons. But there also needs to be a point made here, which is like, well, if the Russians are in a situation, if they have instigated a situation in which a simple attack of some sort, a terrorist attack that could be credibly attributed to the Russians is enough to instigate a full-blown war between the United States and Russia, I'm sorry, that's like on Russia, because Russia has put themselves in this. situation. I don't think Russia wants this. I think Russia right now is happy to saber wag. This has been the case with like all of Bricks nations, by the way. They're all like saber wagging with except for China's probably the only people that can back it up. So it's like, again, I agree. I wouldn't put it past the Ukrainians. I think there's some evidence they've dabbled in the sort previously. But also like there needs to be some blame assigned to the Russians as well. It's

like, well, if you're the one like, you know, playing with the dog here and the dog comes out and bite you, like, it is what it is. Like you said, situation. They flipped, you know, brigades, the divisions. Yes, like actively. They've got like six or so thousand troops on the Estonia border. Well, and additionally, in the Baltic states, people miss this because, you know, obviously I don't expect people to be cluted on the Baltics. Latvia specifically, but also Estonia, the eastern parts of their country are Russian, Russian speakers, Russian ethnically. So how many billions do we spend to keep Russians out of Russia? It's not about keeping Russians out of Russia, though.

I mean, look, the fact of the matter is, the fact the matter is the die was cast when the United States or when NATO allowed these countries into NATO. Yeah, like we're in the situation now. We started the boss fight. Exactly. Like, it was a terrible, terrible idea to let former Soviet states into NATO. It's the same reason why Ukraine was never allowed in NATO. Yeah. Because it's a terrible fucking idea.

internally was because there are people inside Russia who felt that Yeltsin was rolling over with NATO. And they just, you know, and I'm not saying Putin's a Soviet. I don't think he's Soviet at all. I think he's a pure Russian, maybe imperialist Russian, right? He operates like a czar. He doesn't operate like a Soviet guy. But having said that, you know, the Russians have pride and they don't want to get rolled.

and they let the Americans in, and then with Yeltsin, and then they just took everything. Well, I think Putin is very much the product of baby boomers in Russia, where they're in a similar situation to a lot. You know, you can look at the British. Raised by the World War II generation. Exactly, yeah. And like, you know, look at the British, for example. They have tremendous insecurity because they went from top dog to, like, basically, no offense,

I love Britain deeply, but really not a factor on the global stage that much. anymore. Yeah, I do actually. Really? It's such a wasp. So true. Yeah, I could lay up my credentials there. But the Russians, yeah, the Russians are in a similar situation where they've just watched, you know, before their very eyes. I guess in short, they feel disrespected by the West, right?

And with boomers in Russia, they still carry a lot of that pride. Younger generations, it's tough to get like a read on these people. But what seems to be the case is that younger Russians are much more keen on global you know, looking, making overtures towards the West. They engage in Western media, etc. But yeah, I don't, people like categorize Putin. It's like, he was KGB. It's like, it's a little more than that. Because like, for example, a central plank of like being a Soviet was like state atheism. And Putin makes these like huge overtures towards the Russian Orthodox Church. He rebuilt the cathedrals. He treated the Tsar's family as as martyrs. He exhumed the bodies

and had them, gave them like this religious barrel. I believe they were. or canonized. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so, you know, and I... It's old school. And I think that's why the left in this country hates Putin. Well, yeah, well, and I think at its course... Because it's, frankly, Putin, Putin does a lot of things.

If Putin, you know, they say about Putin interfering in our elections, I wish Putin would take over our midterms. Ooh. Well, I think Putin, like, certainly has some, like... Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I think Putin certainly has some, like, reactionary aesthetics. But if you look at, like, the way that he conducts affairs in Russia, the way he ducks affairs globally.

This is not reflective of like a friend of Western right wingers. I mean, he amplifies the like most disgusting third world babble I've ever seen in my entire life. Like he does hate Europe. He views, he genuinely views. He hates everybody. Yeah, he hates everybody. But like, he has a bone to pick with the list.

So like, you know, people try to like make this, this. And I'm not saying that's what you're saying. There's just some other people make this case is like that Russia is a super base trad country and it's like everyone there is AIDS. They have like a million abortions every day. I have been to Russia numerous times in my life and there's photographic evidence of it. It is not a based trad country. It is a shithole.

Yeah. I mean, so much so I'm like the perpetual stupid American tourist. I like taking the subway. I want to explore. I want to see what the local see. Enjoy the bread. You don't want to see what the local see. How about that?

Because I've seen what the tourist see. You know, go to Bolshoi, watch some good opera. LA, whatever, go to the Red Square, go to the gum mall, which is legit, the most expensive mall in the world. You walk around, you know, the World Trade Center. You see the Seven Sisters on the Moscow River and all of that jazz. If you go color outside of those lines, it's abject poverty. Because 2018, I'm in a train in Russia.

I'm like, I phone up the wazoo and there are teenagers with discymen. Do you even remember what a discyman is? It's a, imagine a miniature CD player. this big like well the CD version of the Walkman right literally with their Kobe had phones on and that was how they were and I didn't just see one person doing that I saw a bunch of people doing that so I was like wow they are so set back in time obviously the victims of oppressive so we're talking about outside of Moscow we're talking outside of the coloring outside the lines of tourists and what they want you to say Putin's old school he's like you got to consolidate power in Moscow

All you got to do is satiate the elites. You don't know really worry about the peasants. What was your experience in Moscow since you've been there? So I've been there four times. I've been there a lot more than that. And each time I went, it was for shows. I was performing. Nice.

And I would like Moscow, St. Petersburg or whatever it's called. St. Petersburg is another city. Yeah. Different cities in Russia. Yeah, yeah. That's where the bedrock of ballet and perform at arts are. And I could agree that the smaller cities in Russia do suck, dick, 100%. But Moscow was beautiful.

Moscow was gorgeous. Where did you stay when you were in Moscow? Just had a curiosity. To be honest, if I think, I thought of curiosity. if I told her and I'd be lying. I always say somewhere in the city. I always stayed in the same hotel by the World Trade Center, which was the Crown Plaza.

It's on the Moscow River. So you have a view from your hotel to the Radisson on the other side of Moscow River, which is one of the seven sister buildings, which is one of the most insane architect architectures. I mean, I like old world. So it's goth and Renaissance revival meets, you know, imperialistic castle era.

and there's like these seven freaking amazing buildings in Moscow. So like I've experienced Moscow from a local's perspective and from a business perspective. And I enjoy it, right? I enjoy it so much. Robert Mueller had questions for me back in 2017. Like, why have you been to Moscow so many times? Well, like I work. Yeah, I'm not quite a Russophile, but I love Russian culture.

I love food culture, opera ballet. They're just very talented. But they so like, like, politics sucks. Yeah, I'm not making like an attack. Again, I think a little I love the Russian people. people, I'm just simply making the case these like reactionaries online who like, you know, get all their news from Twitter or whatever, like this idea that just simply because Russia's like, it's these people that like became Orientalists like three years ago and they've like missed

the last like 50 years of like the tension between the Western Russia. It's like they have this false impression, I guess because they're like naturally contrarian that Russia again is like some sort of like based haven. Well, unfortunately for me, for me when it comes to these things is all the people who saw Stalin and Gorbachev fight. with your lives. It's when people. You were there for the fall of Stalin and then you saw the rise of Gorbachev.

Come on. It wasn't as bad as people said. And then Jesus walked amongst us. Stalin was not a bad guy, but he didn't drink tequila. He was awful. He made him angry. Oh, you're crazy.

I hate the people who are so anti-Russian. Yeah. So it's almost like when I was growing up, all the people who are against smoking just made me so. I almost decided to be a smoker just because I hate all people. Yeah, real.

And they're so obnoxious, and it's like I'm so tired of hearing it. And so I find myself saying, this guy can't be that bad. Yeah, he can. Well, as all these people I hate, hate him. I think the middle ground here is we can acknowledge two things are true at once here, which is, A, Russia is not a friend of, like, Western, like, white Christians broadly, but also acknowledge that, yes, these Atlantis have the wrong. Reed. It's not the 1950s anymore.

And like, we, to Phil's point earlier, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but like we were the ones that instigated that. We started the boss battle when we said, no, we're not going to move east. And then we like literally allowed like the, you know, the entire eastern block into NATO. I wouldn't say it's, I wouldn't say we. I would say NATO.

Well, I think Bill Clinton. Clinton. Clinton. Clinton. That's Clinton's like special. That's the Clinton's like special. I think that's the day Monica Lewinsky was visiting and he got to distract and just, yeah, do that. Clinton, like, Clinton came at the apex of, like, the Atlantis' consensus, like, in foreign policy, Intel world. And so, like, him, Blair, like, it all just, we're going to play it over.

One superpower world. Yeah, and it's like... Aren't we glad we're past Clinton and Tony Blair being in power? Well, we're past them in power, but we're still dealing with the ramifications of decisions. We're entangling it. Yeah, which is like, this is one of them. It's like, how do we approach, like, what do we do with NATO? That's, like, a real question these people are having to weigh.

Again, four years ago, I would have been very much gung-ho. Like, I just abolish that these people are useless. But again, we start to see this... So you're a pro-Nado now? You're NATO-curious? I have a very real... I just have this like very real... I think I am pro-Nado with Trump in office

because I think that he has a much more real understanding of NATO, not as an ideological project, but like as a real geopolitical asset. And again... In the hands of Biden where again, they just view it purely through ideological terms, yeah, they're going to like utilize it to like go after the Russians.

And we saw this, by the way. Like Kamala was in Berlin like three, what, three, four weeks before the invasion was like, yeah, we're going to, like, totally go and, like, nuke Moscow if they do. And I'm paraphrasing, obviously. Yeah, that's nuts. Yeah. But with Trump in office, and again, I mean, I know his geopolitical record right now is a bit

shaky, I do trust that, again, the State Department, when in regards to Russia, as a bit more realistic understanding of how we ought to handle it. You know what? I concur. I think Marco Rubio has a good grasp on this stuff. That's like a real, you know, people don't like it. but I think he was one of the best appointments Trump did in his cabinet. Oh, yeah.

Just because he gets it. This is an important. Huh? He's your model bureaucrat. He is. He gets it. He gets it. And I will say this.

Look, I think we're living in dangerous times on this stuff. And people are just mad and angry. And they're looking for reasons to support one side or the other and fantasize and glorify Russia. There's nothing to glorify about Russia. You know, I'm going to say this. Do you guys see Laura Lumer going to Ukraine? And then all of a sudden coming back, a new boy. born Ukrainianist. I mean, I'm not criticizing her, but I thought it was wild because she has had

probably one of the hardest takes on Ukraine for the duration of this and Anzolinski and all that. But I guess she saw something there that changed her mind. Great for her. But she then claimed everything was Russian propaganda. Ah. She, it's like that that's the kind of stuff that then you And again, I'm not knocking her. Maybe she saw something. I didn't see. I'll knock her. I don't want to knock her. It's not fair. You know, like for me. a knocker. And again, you don't want to knock loomer until you at least have a good grounds of what you're talking about, because then she'll knock you. Oh, that's true. I don't want to get hashtag loomered. No, I think I'm going to wake up to you being loomered tomorrow. If I get loomer,

it's over. It's over. They find out about Miami, 2023. It's over. That's funny. No, I mean, wait, what happened to Miami's something like that's for Lumer to find out. Yeah, when I get hashtag Lomered. It'll all come out at the trial. Exactly. I got a good lawyer. Yeah, I mean, I I find like the, and again, maybe this seems, I don't think I'm being hypocritical or going back my word here. I also do find the pro-Ukrainian Atlantis, like, completely insufferable. And it almost makes me just like convulse and want to just be like, oh, glory to the Russia. And the people like Kirstomber or even Andy Burnham or it's like, or like, or Macron. It's just like I'm supposed to be side by, shoulder, shoulder with these guys.

Boris Johnson is like Russia's our biggest threat as he's like bringing two million Pakistanis in. it's like, okay, we're kind of see right through that. Listen, we need a better class of haters here. You can hate them both. It's perfectly fine. You can hate the Atlantis and you can hate Putin. Like, Putin is not a friend, like you're saying, Putin is not a friend to the West. There is nothing that he wants more than to see the United States be knocked down a peg.

He believes that Russia will fill that void that the United States leaves. he wants to do whatever he can to slime the U.S. and make the U.S. look weak on the world stage. And that's the whole point of this going after NATO. Because going after NATO is going after the U.S. Right. Like the United States is without a question the backbone of NATO. Without the United States, NATO is not significantly impressive, right?

Like they're not. like their radios don't even work the other the other nato countries try to work with us their radios don't work they don't have any fuel their trucks are horrible it's like they aren't even ready for prime time so this is this is Putin trying to make the rest of the world believe that the united states is one unreliable is a paper tiger doesn't have the ability to defend them so that way they think that it's a better deal to align with russia Now, I don't think, especially considering the terrible results they've had in Ukraine. I mean, Russia can't even defeat small Russia.

You know, like everybody thought the Ukraine was going to get absolutely rolled. And they haven't. Now, granted, a lot of that is because of a massive influx of money and weapons from the United States and from other countries. But people still believe that Russia was going to take Ukraine basically in, you know, the weekend that that Putin initially predicted. That didn't turn out that way. And the rest of the world looks at Russia and they're like, look, Russia's not the big dog we thought. The only thing that Russia has that's actually intimidating is nuclear weapons.

Like, really, because- Absolutely not. If it wasn't for the nuclear weapons, he wouldn't be doing this. And if he did, the United States would dog-walk Russia. No one would call them. Fair enough. But, you know, it's, it's, I don't even know how Ukraine's going to end because, you know, Zelensky and his party suspended elections under martial law. And they renew, they regularly renew the martial law.

So even like the school committees, right, in the mayors, there's no, there have been no elections in Ukraine since 22. And everyone knows as soon as there's an election, people are going to throw out Zelensky and his party. And so it's like the guy has a political incentive to keep the war going. But does the, but the thing is, if they threw Zelensky out, would the new administration have a different posture towards Russia? I mean, the Ukrainian people don't want to live on, they don't want to be part of Russia. When Zelensky ran. That's not entirely true. It's a majority true, but there's a small fact, sorry, there's a small faction, as was heavily reported on when the Russians.

invaded the Dombos region. Gleefully, they speak Russian. They identify as Russian. I've met some Ukrainians when they say, oh, I'm Ukrainian. I'm like, oh, I'm sorry about China. Oh, no, we love it. I love Russia. Zlensky's first-

I'm like, wait, what, huh? Zlensky's first language is Russian. He didn't learn Ukrainian so he's like in his 30s. Zelenskyy ran in 2019 as the pro-Russian candidate, promising that he would negotiate with the Russians, promising that he would negotiate to handle all the prisoner issues, all of the war issues. And he said the incumbent, I forget his name now, but the incumbent who was backed by the U.S. State Department, right? He was the one who wanted to carry on the war and expand the war against the Russians.

Zelenskyy ran as the pro-Russian peace candidate. And then they put the touch on him once he won. Oh, they touched him, all right. I don't know if it's from the time that. he was doing all those performances and skirts on stages or belly dancing. But you know what? Or the piano? I don't, you know what? I'm like, Zelensky can go F himself, honestly. I'm so over him. Like, he's like so freaking overwhelming. You know what he remind you he's George Washington? Do you know what he reminds me of all honestly? Like the worst sugar baby you can get in Miami and then

get very clingy and always wants more cash. And you don't even benefit a whole lot out of it too. It's like, uh, it's so, it's so annoying. But look, look. in more important global news, like a crisis has stricken Nike once again. Now, Nike's subsidiary company, Converse, apologizes in polls ad that critics say is invoked racist imagery and some bringing that association to the Ku Klux Klan. Like, what the hell? It's a great Boston company converse. Yeah, well, it doesn't seem like it's doing great anymore.

maybe make Converse Great again and exit from Nike because on the... Tap the brakes on the KKK stuff. Well, look, if you look at it and see it, it is absolute garbage, what they're saying. And it's all over a hood that they say resembled KKK hood. And the whole thing is like... It was a dress. I'm sorry? It was a dress, but the light made it look like a...

Yeah, and there's a hood. And it resembled it. whatever. People are up in arms. Look. You have the picture? Can you show the picture? I don't have a picture. I've been looking for anything. I'm going to see if it's right here. And the way... Oh, there it is. No. No, that's not it. Sorry. That's not it. No, my bad. That was a little on the nose.

I can't find a picture of it. I was trying to see if I could have it. But, oh, I think I have it right here. Hold on. Sometimes these images are just... It's the light from the star. But the way the person is holding the... sneakers, it looks like someone who's been hanged and dangling. I, hold on a second. Maybe that's an ink blot.

Do you have the, uh, you have the, the slack? Are you in the slack? I don't think I am. I just put it into the slack. I mean, uh, Carter will can grab it. There's a link in the slack that can bring it up. All right. Carter.

Carter, Banks. Please help me out here because I will, I will, I, are to save the day banks. You're going to use your lifeline? I'm going to use a lifeline because I'm, uh, I'm, I'm, boomering out here. I think I'm too close to you, Neil. But yeah, I mean, so it's... We all of our needs. There you go.

It's literally the Converse Star. There's a light shining, the Converse Star, and the way that the light is cast onto the model's skirt. Yeah, yeah, there it goes. Makes it look... Yeah, I see it. Yeah. It's silly. And this kind of stuff is ridiculous. Just the fact that people are still... allowing these, these, you know, this ridiculous outrage. Folks tropes. Yeah, to, to.

Well, this is the whole thing right here, that, that, that, that shadow, right? But here's, here's what happens, right? Nike's 18 year run on the S&P is officially over. Yeah, but this was 19, Nike was off the S&P before this. Well, it was off, but it's shit like this, Phil. That doesn't help a company like Nike. Nike has made one bad decision after another. in the last couple of years, if you pay attention to it.

Well, if you, I mean, this is kind of like, it's all about wokeness and cancel culture. Good luck. Cancel yourselves out of the S&P 500. By the way, best investment I've in my entire life till this day. If you put just a little bit of money in there, it's, it's kind of safe and it's gold. Oh, yeah. Nike's gone. Nike's going to go under after stuff, after leaving the S&Phing.

I think there's like two things explaining this. I mean, because one, I don't know if I buy that it's like purely, because if you looked at like after the Colin Kaepernick row, they actually like saw an increase in sales. good. Like Nike actually saw an increase in sales, et cetera. And again, this is like, I'm not happy about it. It just says what it is. Secondarily, there's just like way more competition in the market now. I mean, it makes sense that Nike would see their market share get eaten at. I mean, everyone I know that works in finance is like on clouds now. You're just seeing like a lot more companies enter the sportswear world and they're just eating away at Nike's market share. Like I don't, I don't

think it's like, oh, they went down and it went to Adidas. I think it's just spreading out. You're seeing a lot of players enter the game. And I think that explains why Nike. You know, it's like I'm sure Ford like had 100% market share until eight years after and some other car manufacturers entered the game. Well, Nike was just first. That's all it was. Like it was going to happen.

Well, yeah. And they're also getting hit with tariffs because they moved everything overseas. So China. I mean, to Georgia, to George's point, though, like the whole, you know, at least, at least five, probably like seven, eight years of terrible marketing. This is, is, it turned people off. You would see, you know, obese. women in Nike ads, you'd see people that, you know, the body positivity movement was all over

their, their marketing and stuff. And that's not what people want to see. I've talked about this kind of stuff a lot. People want to imagine themselves in the product that they see marketed to them. That's why you put beautiful, attractive, good-looking people in advertisements. Because And you motivate them with a Just do it Well yeah You can do it too Amazing slow

Yeah you can do it too But no instead you put it on like What's that Lizzo Well yeah There was I don't know if it was actually Lizzo No no I'm just saying like Lizzo type ass yeah It was an obese

A very overly large human being Yeah large black woman in You know time square Yeah in a you know A Nike In booty shorts Get up and You know

And it just doesn't make people aspire to wear Nike. Look, I'm fat, right? Obviously. No, the obvious. So shut up, Neil. I'm fat, right? So, think about it this way. I'm not going to go by anything that's on a fat person. It doesn't inspire me. Do you look at fat models? I don't like, uh, huh? I don't like fat people. I don't like, I'm fat phobic. I really need to work on this. This is bad. I'm fat phobic. I said that deposition. I hate pedophiles. Dude, I get the ache. Well, here's a difference. Uh, uh, hating fat people is just, you know, easier. It's not like, but there's different parts of fat people. There are people who are fat.

They're aware of their fat and they don't want to be fat. They can pull it off. Well, no, I don't know about pulling it off. Can you pull it off? 50%. No, you can't. No, 100%. No, fat person can pull being fat off. There's tears.

I think Andy Reid pulls it off. He's kind of like our keeper physique. The last person that could pull off being fat was John Candy. Everybody else. John Candy could pull off being fat. We're all just fat. No, there's your fat. You're fat.

It sucks. No, I'm face of the fat people and I can pull it off. There's a big difference. I disagree. I mean, look, here's a deal. it went so bad for Nike. Killian Mbapé is done. I mean, 20 year

journey, one of the most prestigious soccer players in the world. One of the most household names of soccer. He's like, yeah, I'm done. It was time for a change. I mean, you can't stoop lower than that. And again, it goes to show, go woke, go broke. I can't believe we're still talking

about this. It's 2026. Well, Killion Mbapapap is super woke. I mean, I don't even know if it's like... But it's even too woke for him. Like, moving away from Nike? Nike's just failing. I think Nike is just facing like a market reality.

It's just there's more competition now in the game. Like, I mean, I would love to attribute this to a culture war victory. It's just like, the only time we've ever pulled it off was Bud Light. Like when you like look down. And nothing can save Bud Light. But we could sit here and name 30. But Light's not even America anymore. We're boycotting them.

And it's like, well, it's Nike. Belgium Brazilian. No. And Nike has the entire global market to play with. Like everything that we're cornered the market for like generations and they're losing all of it. There's just more players. But this particular, you know, this particular ad really is an attempt to bring back that cancel culture stuff.

You know, it had gone, it had been tamped down somewhat, right? Like the idea that you could, you know, make a stink online and get a reaction from a company, they're just kneeling to the mob and everyone knows that it will never be good enough. I don't know if we're going to talk about it, but the same thing with the Ed Scher, Ed Shearing stuff, right? Oh, that's right. Next. I hope he gets the help he needs. Well, look, the fact of the matter is,

Ed Shearant's still going to sell a boatload of tickets. But there's going to be people outside that are going to be trying to, you know, have protests. They're going to make a big stink because the idea of cancel culture hasn't gone anywhere. The idea, like, the whole woke is dead. It's dumb and regarded. It is not dead. It was never dead.

It is still just as present. in society. It's just that people don't react the same way, right? And you're not going to get the same kind of reaction to the issue in Palestine or in Israel with Americans that you did with Black Lives Matter. Black Lives Matter was the perfect issue in the United States, the perfect thing for activists to get behind because Americans, particularly back then, nobody wanted to be thought of as racist. Everybody was like, we're kind of beyond this. What, so, I'll burn down my own house. When you threw out the accusation of racist, people were like, me, racist, what are you

talking about? How could I possibly be perceived as racist? I voted for Obama, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, all the things that made people insecure. You don't have that same kind of prescient issue when it comes to Palestine, but you watch the way that the woke has worked. It went from, you know, it was Black Lives Matter. They attempted to do it with climate change. That fell apart. The Palestine thing is going to fall apart too, eventually because most Americans, like, it doesn't affect their daily lives. The closest thing that could affect the daily lives out of all of that stuff was the Black Lives Matter stuff.

And once people kind of realized that it was basically a scam that all the big players in the Black Lives Matter organizations were all just, you know, throwing me. money in their own pockets, buying tons of houses and basically just scamming everybody, right? Then people were like, all right, I'm over it. It's not going to have the same effect, but it doesn't mean that they're not going to try. The left is built on an entire worldview based around oppressor and oppressed. Right now, it's the oppressor is Israel and the oppressor Palestinians and Americans are the oppressor because they're supporting Israel. That's the dynamic.

And when it was when it's in the context of global warming, it's capitalists that are destroying the world, right? The world is oppressed and the global South is oppressed and the capitalists are doing it. And when it was Black Lives Matter, it was, you know, white people or the police more specifically, oppressing black people in America. These things are not real. If you look at the numbers when it comes to, when it comes to police brutality and police, police killing unarmed black people, the average person in America was like, oh, it's got. It's hundreds or thousands. The media keeps it alive. But real people?

Absolutely. Like your normal people? No, look. But hold on. Hold on. Hold on. They're not like. Let me do the point.

The point that I'm making is the average person was thinking that hundreds to thousands of black men were killed by the police every year. And then when they find out that it's about an average of like 12 or 13 or 14, they're like, what? Because it's all a con. It's a con when it comes to global warming. It's a con when it comes to Black Lives Matter. and it's a con when it comes to free Palestine. It's all a con. It's a way to get people to say,

look, this terrible thing is happening, and I'm complicit, so I got to do something to make sure that we fix this problem. And this stuff right here, they're trying to go back to the Black Lives Matter playbook. Look, they're racist, they're racist. They didn't mean it. They didn't mean it at all.

There was no intent behind it. Maybe someone should have looked at it and said, you know, that kind of looks like, and maybe they shouldn't put it up, but it certainly wasn't the, The damn shadow. We're secret KKK members. You know, it's 2026.

It's ridiculous. I think it's a bit different in the Ed Shearing thing. Like, listen, I think cancer culture and wokenism is the biggest siop most can't. One of the most cancerous things ever happened to America.

I couldn't agree more. Like cancer culture and Me Too movement, everything. No, no, no. I'm out. No, I'm just putting it all together. No, you can't. That's the problem. Cancel culture is one thing.

Me Too. Me Too is bad stuff. Yeah, 100%. Okay, all right. I just wanted to establish that. Me, too, when it's, when it actually has evidence. Me too got weaponized eventually. Yeah. Okay. Let's say me too got weaponized. Yeah. Well, I agree with that. Because, you know, sexual misconduct is a horrible thing. Of course it is.

But you know, you can grab something, run with it and weaponize it. Yeah. And then everything is weaponizable. Cancer culture, wokenism. I think it's cancers, right? Yeah. But I don't think the Ed Shearing thing is about that. I think it's about, you know, should Malcolmmore have gone and done that speech? No, you're at a concert to listen to music. Play your show. Say I love you. Thank you for supporting and leave. Would you do the same thing? I would never make it. Did you politicize your, your act? No. Do you, Phil? Can I say something to you guys? Dolly Parton did it best. I have a feeling she was very always honest about her politics with us. We were just

too naive to see right through it. She did it suddenly, but she never talked politics. You know what? You guys in the entertainment industry, musicians specifically, I always thought you guys have the perfect platform to unite us through art. Like music. Commonality every human being

is going to have is we all like music one way or another. If we can bond over your music, Phil, or your music, Nick, and put everything else aside, why would you bring a divisive political rhetoric to your performance? It defeats the purpose of what music does. Like, music unites, it's love, whatever. All the feel good shit that you see out there that people talk about, and I can use all the buzzwords here. But it really comes down to like the feel good moments, right? And I think Ed Shearan, great musician, now I'm pissed at him. He got into this big tiff over Maclemore, is that how you say it?

I, no clue this dude is, sorry. He held out as long as he could. No, no, it's not that. And now he's sitting down and crying in Philadelphia, mid-concert. I've done that in Philadelphia. I mean, I just pulling into the, pulling into Penn Station, Philadelphia,

makes me cry. So I agree, actually. But my point here is he kind of did all this. And now he's doing the same thing. Yeah, it's the whole point. Listen, the reason why I don't respect is stand on what you believe in. Right or right. wrong, stand on it, right? But I also think, even though Malcolmmore was wrong for making this whole

speech on it, you can't be pulled out of a show for your freedom of speech, whether I like it or not. Like, if you make a speech about how much you hate fat people and whatever, I'm not going to pull you out. I have a take. Because now it's kind of like, why does my freedom of speech end where your feelings begin? Because the reason is McElmore was supporting Ed Sheeran. When I go out on tour with a band, if I'm headlining, then I have the full right to say whatever I want for stage. When I'm supporting someone, and this is the way that my band operates all the time, when the headliner says get on stage, you get on stage. When the headliner says, you're done, I don't care if you got another song, you get off. It's their stage. It's their tour.

You're supporting. We are there as their guest. So to get on stage and make a political stage, statement and hijacked the It's just a bad thing to do as a support act. Now, this isn't about freedom of speech because McElmore can go out and do his own shows. He can bring in a boatload of people. He's a big artist. He got millions of, millions of listeners on Spotify.

He can go out and do his own shows and he can say whatever he wants. But because he's out supporting someone else, you don't go out there and make a statement that is controversial, whether or not people support it. Now, there is a certain amount of you have to understand who's going on tour with you. If you're going out on tour and you're a headliner and you bring rage against the machine,

you better expect that they're going to say things that are political because that's rage against the machine's whole brand, right? Everything about rage against the machine is political. So if you go out there and you bring them on tour and then you get mad because they make a political statement, you're the dummy. but if you bring someone like McElmore who's not, whose music isn't politically motivated right? It's been politically moved since like 2022.

So it's not new. But the point that I'm making is he's not a, he may have had songs that have some politics in him. I have some songs that have political basis behind them. But you wouldn't really know it if you listen to the songs and or read the lyrics

you might if you know a little bit about the politics. But it's not overtly political and McElmore is definitely not overtly political. He's a pop artist. So if you're going to for McElmore to go out there and make a political statement, that is something that he at the very least should have cleared

with Ed Shearine, Ed Shearin or however you pronounce the name, before he did that. I think you're 100% everything you said's correct, right? But the problem is, is when Ed Shearan put out that statement, he was like, it's not me who cares. It's the owners of the stadiums. It's the owners of the venues. So he pushed the buck. He pushed the buck upwards. So it was them who probably came to Shear and like, hey, Ed, like, your opener said this.

We don't like this. So you have to kick him out. And I've seen that happen with other acts, not on this high of a level, but now the venue owners, right? The people who own the stadiums are saying, your opener can't play because he said this. He died out Bob Kraft. But is that not, you know, an infringement on your freedom of speech? No.

No, you're hired. You're hired for pay. You do whatever your client wants you to say. No, no, no, no. If I hire you, this is. It's kind of like if you're a teacher and you go to a classroom, you can't just say whatever you want. You teach a curriculum. You're in public education.

No, no, no, no, no. You follow the curriculum, right? Because that's what you were hired to do. You were hired to be an opening act. You do a fucking opening act. Period. Full stop. Yeah.

If you don't like that, then you go and say, I actually don't want to be your opening act. You know what I want to do? I'm going to go hell out of my own tour. And I'm going to say all the political stuff. I said, I have experiences with Pink Floyd. Please correct me, which is the side of Pink Floyd that went. when they broke up. Roger Waters.

Yeah, I went to watch Roger Waters at UBSR-Ead in 2022, unaware of his politics, by the way, completely unaware, grew up in a Pink Floyd household, two groupies of parents for Pink Floyd. Hey, teacher, leave them kids alone. Like, I was, like, so excited to go watch us. Dude, I got, I forced myself to get to that song, specifically, another brick on the wall.

And then I was forced to physically leave. I mean, his show is political as another statement. His first lines when he, got on stage. I made this about that time. If you don't like my politics, you can piss off to the bar. I'm like, whoa, what does that even mean? And, dude, it was just awful.

Like, half the stadium left. I agree with what you said, right? You're there to perform. But let's say he was headlining, right? Would he have still got kicked out? Would the stadium? Of course not, because he's headlining. It's a show. He can do whatever he wants. Because you don't, you know, this is Bobcraft.

Because Bobcraft is he's the one who booked it and he's doing the bookies. And he's very supportive of Israel. 100% And it's his stadium And he told sharing He's like It's still a contract

If he was the one If Mclemore was the one Headlining and did it It's contract You can't walk away from contracts That he's wrong Phil Can you? Kraft does lawyers

And he would say Hey I didn't It's kind of figured you When I booked this tour I didn't I didn't know You didn't tell me That you were going to do this

And plus Kraft's the one Who lined up all the other stadiums Because it's all his friends Who own the stadiums But it's whether you like You want them money, don't you? Well, that's what they're doing.

Shut up and take the money or walk away and do the old thing. It's whether you're like it or not, it's freedom of speech, right? Because I bet you, listen, I don't agree with BLM either. I think it's a scam. I bet you it was a BLM thing. No one would have said anything.

He would have still been able to perform. It was about Agent Hay, he would have still been able to perform. But because he spoke out about that subject when I don't choose the side, I generally don't care. Right. It's like, okay, well, now it's an issue. And I think that's messed up, right?

Like, it's America. You should be able to say what you want to say. He wasn't saying go harm somebody. He wasn't saying, you know, F them. He was saying what he thinks is happening there in his position on it, and he shouldn't have got kicked out of a tour. Now, could they have been after, hey, that was sick, but you know from now on, don't say that and just continue with your music,

but we appreciate it, yeah. But getting kicked off of a tour because of your personal beliefs, now open up Pandora's box. No, I actually agree with the point you made there, which was, again, a lot of these people are expecting conservatives to go to the mat for like this pro-Israel cause. But Robert Kraft, again, no problem if it's, you know, Beyonce getting up doing this like WOTEP BLM stuff,

HOTEP BLM stuff rather. Again, name your leftist cause, no problem. But suddenly this issue all of a sudden it's like, okay, we're tossing them off the tour or whatever. I'm like, hang on a minute. What I just said before, BLMIT sort of, like directly an attack on the American people. And I mean like the real American people, Israel, low salience for the American people.

You can make a geopolitical argument for Israel. That's one thing. What I'm saying is actual assault on the American people as we understand it. Again, low salience, fairly irrelevant. So, yeah, that's why I'm like, I'm not going to go rally the troops to go defend Bob Kraft and Ed Sheeran here when it's like, hey, you guys have no problem letting these guys get up and just perform, quite frankly, stuff that's quite message, let them on stage to have messaging that's quite frankly dangerous for the American people. people and crickets. So it's like, I don't know, man. I agree. Like I'm not, I'm not going to

get super worked up over this when the amount of stuff that they let's fly on stage all the time that's just completely deranged and just damaging to the American people. And no problem. Give them millions of dollars, whatever. So it's like, no, I'm not going to the, I'm not going to bat for for this cause. It's just like, let's see. Again, if you, if you, if you, one thing, it feels in a long track of Robert Kraft tossing Beyonce and Jay Z and you name it off state. I get what you're saying. So equal application of the rhetoric. but this is the same single out because of the palisif this is the wedge i'm like why there's so like this is very derivative there's a lot of people in new england who think that uh the reason why you know he fell out

with belichick is because he invited belichick to take a trip to israel and belich really inclined and the guy um what's his name the guy who replaced uh bellichick oh i forget jared something anyway yeah anyway but he he went on the trip right and he would wear his israel pin And he would say, and he would give interviews saying, I really appreciated going to Israel with Mr. Crap. Go figure. All right. Well, look, this is all crazy.

But there's three more topics. I just want to rapid fire them real quick. Gay UFO somewhere over Tehran. Is that what I saw that? It was like, you know, like the cycladelic UFO over Tehran. True or false? What do you think about that? That looks like, are UFOs now?

That's just like really bad. It's gayifying everybody. Yeah. There you go. It's gay if I even the aliens. Is that? the Earth is doing? The woke mind virus has gone cosmic.

We're in trouble. Oh, my God. Oh, grr. That's the aliens arriving, by the way. Look, the problem, Cardi B. Stilettos and BBLs. The problem we have with the former congressman is that he actually knows, but he can't see. I can't talk about most of this stuff.

Considering all of the history of anal probes, maybe there is something, you know, maybe they invented gay. Because we know, because we know the aliens do anal probes. probe. So imagine the aliens rock up in their UFOs and we're like, oh no. And then all of a gay fried flag flashes up. We're like, oh, we had to run. I thought it was me the women and children. It might be me. I got to get out of here. A gay UFOs in Tehran. A girl alien, would you bang it? No.

That's a good question. A girl alien right here. That's a very good. I mean, I'm spoken for, so no, but I would do it in a heartbeat. Okay. Well, what if you're space alien? Oh my God, I was going to say something. What if when you go in and you come out and you're decapitated like it's like a predator. Yeah, careful.

It could be like a carnivorous Yeah, orifice. Yeah, I'm I'm spoken for so no, but from a this is a philosophical question here. I think this is a drone by the way. Actually, Octurian?

Octarian. Anyone get the alien? No, never mind. No, sorry. All right, well, look, we go for, we're going to cover one more topic. One, one more topic. And that's because

Super chance. You got to do Super Chats. Well, yeah, so we'll go quick. So our YouTube is still One of my besties is in hot waters. I call bullshit. I call that this is all a campaign and coordinated attack.

Lauren Bobert did not sleep with her three staffers and skip me. So I would definitely say false. False for me. What do you think? I think that somebody Yeah, I think somebody put some disgruntled staffers up to it.

Obviously, they're going to No, no, the staffers unite it. They all deny it. it. They said it's all fake. Well, who put in their complaint? Some guy called Muckraker, some lunatic from Colorado who's obsessed with her. Well, there you go. You know why? Like that AOC line,

they're just mad at me because I won't date you. There it goes, but, you know, here we are. So you got to take on this? I do not. No, good. Good man. Good man. Do you have a take on this? I defer to Matt Gates. Well, Matt Gates said he wants the unedited raw footage of this.

I'm just mad that they left me out of this. Like, I'm annoyed. Nick, do you have any takes on this? I don't you have no idea about she's hiring you want to go work for her I will say this about when I when I when I when I was in the part in office she was very very passionate about getting executive clemency full self and now it looks like I'm doing a quick pro quo great very passionate yeah she's very passionate she missed me I'm pretty some passionate she missed me well look um Carter do you have a thought on this before we get super chats oh man I just can't stop thinking about superchats when I I look at Lauren Bobert right here. Let's go to Super Chats. All right.

Let's go Super Chats. All right. Fox News is not conservative. They are 2005 liberal Democrats right now and have been for 10 years. Methos 671. I don't think so. I think they're, I've worked a lot with News Corp and I've gotten to see like the inside of the belly of the beast.

They're pretty conservative crew. I think the problem is, is that the shareholders think differently from the actual organization. And unfortunately, when you have to be beholden to shareholders, that is where the problems arise. So keep your company private like Elon Musk, and I think that that goes away. Yeah. Ryan's on the board.

Well, that does not helpful. Daniels Dickinson says, economy is definitely bad. Stock market equals economy? I don't even know what that means. Anyone? He's saying that since the stock market is roaring, these economists are pointing to that. Got it. Okay.

Yeah. I've heard that. Phil these young people don't understand anything and are emotional and hate as haids. It takes time and people need to learn that. Biden admin screwed our dollar value. Same old man. I mean, look, you can be right and you can have the right analysis and still not get anyone to vote for you. Right.

Like you can be like, hey, this is what's going on. but if people feel a certain way, they're not going to vote for you. People vote for kitchen table issues. All the stuff that we talk about, unless it's talking about the economy, gas prices, it's all cool to talk about. And if people are feeling good,

then those things will matter. If people feel like the grocery bills are too much, their gas is too much, that's what they're going to vote on. So I agree with you, but it doesn't matter. Well, look, same old man. It's politics, not speech and debate. Oh, but how about this?

Same old man goes and says, make me king of the U.S. I'll give one gun of any type and a crate of ammo and a crate of ammo. They have, they just have to sign up for the draft. No more forcing men. What the hell? Also to vote in any election, you have to sign for the draft? Yeah, I mean.

It's what a convoluted statement, but like. We all sign up for the draft. Yeah. I mean, look, I like the idea of giving me whatever gun or gun. Selective service is what it's called. Yeah. But look, I like the idea of you giving me whatever kind of gun I want. I like a volunteer army because then you don't get schmucks that don't want to be there.

You don't get people that are likely to run away, et cetera, et cetera. And last point, we need far fewer voters. We need way fewer people voting. Okay. I'm going to end the super chats with this one. We might get in trouble. But Hassan literally said America. deserve 9-11 the fallen 501 street uh has that guy running for senate no he's helping abdul al-said

hasan piker is a piece of work he's a he's an anchor baby that was born in jersey then flew his parents flew him back to turkey to to raise him and he came back here you know who else is an anchor baby abby phillips uh do you know who else is an anchor baby the owner of calshan i can't wait to see him back in lebanon uh i'll tell you how i feel anyway guys this is a great great episode. Please stay tuned. We're going to go to the after show. But in the meantime, Neil, thanks for joining us. Tell us where we can find you. Where we're, but she'll your, you know, go ahead. Do your, well, you can find my groundbreaking columns at the South Shore Press. You can follow me on all the socials at reporter McCabe. And you can watch my hits on Bannon's

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Yeah, you can follow me on X and Instagram. You can watch Rav if you want. I don't think they have the same time slot. I don't care. We're not promoting another podcast here. From 8 p.m. to 10 p.m. You better be right here. And then you can watch whatever else you want in the free time.

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