Timcast IRL - Dan Bongino To RESIGN, Trump Addresses The Nation w/ Brian Shaprio

Episode Date: December 18, 2025

Phil, Tate, & Ian are joined by Brian Shapiro to discuss Dan Bongino announcing his resignation from the FBI, a new poll showing AOC would defeat JD Vance in a hypothetical 2028 election, and the Timcast crew analyzing Trump's live address to the nation.   Hosts:  Phil @PhilThatRemains (X) Ian @IanCrossland (everywhere) | https://graphene.movie/ Tate @realTateBrown (everywhere) Producer: Serge @sergedotcom (everywhere) Guest: Brian Shapiro  @PTLRadioShow  (YT) | @TheBrianShapiro (X)

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So we're going to start off with, from the New York Post, Dan Bongino to leave the FBI deputy director job with room and replacement waiting in the week. wings. FBI director Dan Bongino will resign his position with less than a year on the job after reportedly packing up his belongings and bidding a due to his team. I will be leaving my position with the FBI in January, Bongino announced on social media Wednesday night. I want to thank President Trump, A.G. Bondi and Director Patel for the opportunity to serve with purpose. Most importantly, I want to thank you, my fellow Americans, for the privilege to serve you. God bless

America and all those who defend her. The announcement caps a day of speculation. on when Bongino would leave with four sources telling the post that Bonino's departure was expected soon. So I actually made a remark about this last night. I didn't think he was going to do it, but I got that one wrong. So full accountability here. But what do you guys think? Do you think that this is going to be a significant hindrance for the FBI or what?

It could be a hindrance, but let me just start with Dan Bongino. This is a guy who spread stories and conspiracy theories. The Epstein files as something that he talked about in his podcast, pretty much every single day. And now all of a sudden there's nothing to see. Jeffrey Epstein killed himself. And I think the rumors of him getting into it with Bondi were absolutely true. He knows exactly what's in the Epstein files now.

And I think a lot of his listeners are probably pretty upset at him. He was spewing this stuff every single day. So the way that you say that makes me think that you have a disagreement. Do you think that there's something in the Epstein file? 100%. So what do you go ahead? 100%. Well, why do you think Donald Trump,

doesn't want to talk about it. If anybody, even his supporters bring up the Epstein files, he calls them stupid. Clearly, he has something to hide. It's the same reason why he didn't want to release his tax returns. It's the same reason why they're not releasing his medical records from the MRI. The reason why he doesn't want to talk about this stuff or release it publicly is because he has something to hide. Donald Trump was best friends with Jeffrey Epstein. According to Jeffrey Epstein, they're seen all over the place hanging out with each other. We know that he was on the Epstein flight log at least seven times, and then Jack Basobic and others, to no fault of their own, by the way, we're holding these binders up because of Pam Bondi, who claimed that it was

on her desk, I believe Dan Bongino knows the truth. And let me ask you guys a question. So would you, well, before we do, would you want to venture a guess as to what it is that's in there that you think Donald Trump is hiding? I don't know if he broke the law, but certainly he's in the Epstein files. You sound pretty passionate about it. Well, I am passionate about young children that get raped. So then you're, I don't know. I don't think that's good thing. What I am implying is that Donald Trump is all over the Epstein files, and so many of his supporters were talking about the rich elitist in Hollywood and all the lefty pedophiles.

Fine, so be it. If Bill Clinton is in there, that's totally fine. But the difference between Republicans and Democrats, many of them today, is most Democrats say, hey, if Bill Clinton's in there, if there are Democrats in there, fine. Release the files. And Donald Trump wants this story to go away. Guess what? It's not going away.

We'll see what happens on Friday. But yes, I think Donald Trump is all over the files. So again, saying all over the files, his name is all over it. Yes. But saying that, I mean, it sounds like you're implying something. Do you have an opinion as to what it is that he's done? I don't know whether he broke the law or not.

My opinion goes the same as I just said. There's a reason why he doesn't want the files released. Clearly, he doesn't. So you don't think that if you don't think that the Biden administration would have taken a look at these and said something if there was something in there when they were in a couple things that say there. First of all, number one, if Joe Biden did do that, he would be equally was wrong. Now, I don't think Joe Biden was best friends with Jeffrey Epstein. No, no, no, I mean if Joe Biden had, you know, DOJ had the paperwork, right? If the Trump administration has it, then that means that the Biden administration

had it as well. Absolutely. So you don't think that if there was something that Donald Trump had done that was illegal, you don't think they would have put it out? I think there is certainly a possibility, and I don't know this to be true or not, that maybe they were protecting lefties that are in there as well. That could be very possible. I also can tell you that the Maxwell trial was going on during that, and they were sealed for years. I agree. I agree. The portion of it was sealed. See, I worry about today, and yes, I wish the files were released a very long time ago. I don't care whether they're Democrats or Republicans in there. The problem is Joe Biden didn't campaign on the Epstein files. His supporters weren't talking about that.

Donald Trump actually didn't campaign on the Epstein. His followers were. His followers are not him. Look at what Pam Bondi did. So, no, but you said that he campaigned on these. And he didn't campaign on them. His followers are not him. So he didn't campaign on this. In fact, the only time that I recall it being mentioned, he walked it back.

So why do you think he walked it back? And why do you, let me ask you a question. Why are they treating Maxwell, VIP service, unprecedented, 20-year sentence? Why are they giving one of the biggest sex traffickers in this country preferential treatment, a dog, they let visitors eat snacks, they give them a laptop. So I don't know. Why is that? Give me a logical reason.

I don't know why. I don't know why, I think. Well, I don't, I don't know why. One logical reason why Maxwell has been treated by the Trump administration the way. Like I said, I don't know why. But the fact of the matter is, I'm not the one that's emotive about this and throwing around accusation. Wait, wait, wait, hold on.

No, you can be like, I'm not the one. Absolutely. I can. What do you think is happening over there with Gila and Maxwell? I have no idea what going on. Educated assumption. I have no idea why. You can't give us an educated guess on why you think they're treating Maxwell.

I didn't know any. Can I give you my hypothesis on that? Sure. You're more than welcome to. Maybe they're giving her preferential treatment. By the way, unprecedented preferential treatment. Maybe because they're protecting Donald Trump. I think that's the only logical conclusion that most people would come up with. Why else would they do this?

I've heard... Well, I mean, so there's talk about the possibility that Donald Trump worked with the FBI. So maybe they would be protecting the FBI. FBI. Okay, well, I haven't heard that. Yeah, some people think that Donald Trump's flipped on Epstein and started, became an informant for the FBI. But think about this. So if that's the case, then they're, they're just protecting sources. They've treated Maxwell like a VIP. Donald Trump doesn't want anybody to talk about. In fact, if a reporter even brings it up, he will call that reporter names.

Well, he's talked to, he's talked about it multiple times. He said that he wants to see the files release. And there's been judges that have, have, in first of all, if you wanted the files released, he wouldn't need a judge to sign off on it. Tomorrow, he could release the files if he wanted to, so that's complete BS. He's called for the AG to do it, right? Has he not? He could just simply release the files tomorrow if he wanted to do without a judge's decision legally. If he wanted to release all the files and redact all the victims' names. He specifically said that he wanted him. Then why won't he do it then?

As far as I understand, he said that he wants, you know, he doesn't. What he says and what he does? I assume that he doesn't have the files on his desk and sell. You believe that when he says things like that? I don't know. I think that Donald Trump, honestly, I think that, that he's probably trying to protect himself because his name is in there. But I don't think that he's done anything.

But I'm not emotive about it because I don't think that he's done anything illegal. What are you guys? You talked about Bongino earlier. I think, and you mentioned like Trump's kind of administration choices had campaigned or talked about the Epstein as part of their messaging. Epstein talked about it a lot when he had his pet, when he had his podcast.

Bonino? Bonino, yeah. And you mentioned, you mentioned how angry his audience has become. And I think you're right because he's been in the government with like this, this gag system in place. Do you remember he wouldn't go to work?

Do you remember that day, you guys, when he took a day off, and apparently him, Pam Bondi and Cash Patel got into it, and then he didn't show up the next day. Look, and here's what it comes down to. Cash Patel under oath was asked seven times by Eric Swalwell. Did you tell Pam Bondi that Trump is in the Epstein files? He would not answer the question. If he wasn't in the files, Cash Patel would have answered that question. It doesn't take a smart person to realize that he didn't want to answer it because the answer is yes. But being in the files might make him more of a hero.

So if he turned on Epstein and aided the FBI and it would uncover a bunch of other FBI like undercover that are breaking child. And also the question about what is in the files, there's a lot of people that are that have different ideas about what the Epstein files even are. So like if there's the question about what is it just just the plane logs? Because obviously everyone knows Donald Trump was in that, right? He's used obscene's plane. I don't know that he's gone to the island, right? No, I don't know that either. But, you know, listen, he was best friends with Jeffrey Epstein for a long time.

allegedly he was upset because Jeffrey Epstein took it was over 20 years ago that you booted him out of the yeah I mean I don't care if it was 20 years ago or 50 years ago I think you are who you hang out with sometimes and in this situation uh listen we all know that Donald Trump is a pig that's not against the law we all know he bragged about grabbing women by the genitals we all know that you know he's a womanizer who had unprotected sex with a porn star two weeks after baron was born we know that's not against the law but this is this is at another level here and I'll tell you some people that no if if you're saying that that's not against law and then you're saying that it's at another level. You're implying that he's broken the law.

I don't know if he broke the law or not. What I do know is he's hiding something. You've said that he's said multiple times. I don't know that he has. But yet you're continuing to imply that he has. I'm implying that he has a lot to hide and this would make him look very bad because he was a very good friend and probably did some awful things. Now, awful doesn't necessarily mean. Awful doesn't necessarily mean breaking the law.

But the way they've treated Maxwell, the fact that if any of his supporters even bring it up, he calls them stupid because he knows this makes him look back. He might have broken the law. I don't know. I don't know the answer to that. Release the files. Release the files and then we can stop talking about it. If Bill Clinton is in there and he did some horrible things, I will call him out, just like I will call out Donald Trump. It is the fundamental difference between Republicans and Democrats today.

Oh, I don't know about that. Name me one Democrat that doesn't want the files to be released right now. I don't know. Because you could name one because every single one of them has voted to release the files. It's the Republicans that don't want the files. If the Democrats wanted the files out, they could have released him when the Biden was. But then why do they want it out now then? I don't know, but like I said, if they were, if they actually wanted it.

It's politically expedient for Democrats to be supporting the release now. Would it be expedient if they were, if Bill Clinton was in there and if Democrats were in there? Well, Bill Clinton's not in even in the company. Also, if like the most important man in the world was like banging kids, that would have been scrubbed from the FBI database years ago. I mean, this is all like a moot point. And also with the Galane Maxwell getting preferential treatment. I mean, she's cooperating with the DOJ. This is not unprecedented for a high-profile sex offender to get.

The way she's been treated, yes, it is. according to the warden and other people that have spoken on the record. The BOP themselves have said this is not unprecedented. Her lawyers are arguing that it's politically motivated. And then also, Jeffrey Epstein in 2008 got a very luxurious plea deal as well. So it's not like this is a new thing. This is under the eyes of the Trump administration. If you could name me someone who's been sentenced to 20 years for child sex trafficking,

who is allowed a dog, who gets food deliveries to her, to her, and is allowed security to work out anytime she wants, guests are getting snacks. If you could name me someone that has been sentenced to 20 years for the crimes that she was found guilty of, then I'm all open ears. But this is unprecedented, and there's a reason why the Trump administration is doing this again, because Donald Trump is hiding something. But the reason why we're saying this is unprecedented, because we can't name any of it, because this is the highest profile sex crime case in American history. And that's why it's like, okay, yeah, when you're that high profile, there's going to be a different way of handling things within the prison system. And then also the DOJ, you're cooperating at the DOJ, you're going to get us answers.

It's like, yeah, that's just how this works. George Santos was treated 20 times worse than Maxwell is being treated. There's something wrong with this. It's wrong. I feel like she offered them information that they were looking for to piece together some things. I don't believe that at all. Well, I'm trying to figure out why they would do it other than that. I've given you my reasons.

I think it's pretty obvious. They're protecting Donald Trump. But what would they have gotten? You've danced around the issue, but you won't actually come out and say. What? I'll ask that Donald Trump has done something wrong, as in broken the law. Wrong doesn't necessarily mean against the law. No, I do think Donald Trump is a criminal, but maybe not for this.

My question, Brian, is what do you think they got from Geelaine? Well, on the record in the interview, she said she never saw Donald Trump doing any improprieties or doing anything wrong. Maxwell is smart enough to understand that she needs to say nice things about Donald Trump. That's why she is in the position she's in now where she's in a club med facility. She's allowed to play tennis. She's allowed to work out in the middle of the night with security. She's a lot of puppy dog, okay?

someone that has pled, regardless of what your opinions are on Donald Trump or not, I think we all could agree. If you've done the crimes that Maxwell's done, she doesn't deserve this kind of preferential treatment. And by the way, any of the people in that jail who have ever, who are talked to her even, or have said anything negative about her, they get enormous penalties for that. They are protecting her. They are being pressured by the Trump administration. It is absolutely obvious. And there's a reason for that. Again, I don't know whether he committed any crimes, but I do know that it is to his benefit. to be treating her this way. And that's my opinion. It could be a honey pot. And they're like, we can't blow the lid off the honey pot. We've got too many global pedophiles on the hook right now. I mean, that's why, like, Trump himself said we can release the Epstein files, but there's so many moving parts here.

Again, if this truly is like an international clandestine operation, it's going to take a while or, like, really unpack this thing. Again, I repeat what I said earlier. If he wanted to release the files tomorrow, without a court order, without Congress, without any politician, he has the power to do. so with redacting all the victim's names. He can do that tomorrow if you wanted to. Hasn't the release been prevented by a judge?

No. So the reason why, so if you remember Pam Bondi a few weeks back, said that she was opening up a new investigation. Legally, the only way that the Trump administration cannot release the files, 100% of the files, is because of that convenient investigation that was just opened several weeks ago. But yes, Donald Trump does have the power in general. to do so to release all the files. Like I said, I thought that a judge blocked it.

So that was, I believe, 2% of the files that you are referring to where a judge did block that. But a judge did block it. But Donald Trump has the ability to release all the files. You can look that up. Legally, he has the ability to do so. And listen, I want justice for the victims. This is where I agree with Marjorie Taylor Green.

This is where I agree with Lauren Bowman and Nancy Mace. I am certainly not fans of any of them. But I am with them on this. They're right on this. They've met with the victims. Let's have justice for the victims. This isn't for me just about Donald Trump. I would say this for any victim of sexual assault.

I want these SOBs brought to justice, and at least their reputations deserve to be tarnished. Whether that's Donald Trump or Bill Clinton, I don't care. I want the files released. I've always wanted the files released. I said this years ago. I was very happy when Maxwell was finally sentenced. I've interviewed, you know, Epstein's brother multiple times.

I mean, we don't have to get into that. But, you know, Jeffrey Epstein's brother has some very interesting opinions on what he thinks happened to his brother. Going back to Dan Bonino, because I think this is where all this started. I think Dan Bonino is a clown. He pretty much admitted that I was paid to say these things, meaning, well, I was paid to say BS. That's basically what he said a few weeks ago. Can you inbox that? What's that?

Can you inbox that? Well, yeah. Bongino was asked about the Epstein files, and I believe he was asked specifically about some other conspiracy theories. that he used to bring up on his podcast. He did an interview a few weeks ago. I don't recall exactly who it was with. And he said, listen, it's my job now to tell the truth. That's what he said.

I'm working for the FBI. It's my job to tell the truth. But back then, I was getting paid for my opinions. So what that means to me is I was getting paid to spew conspiracy theories with no factual basis behind it. Whether it be about the Epstein files, there was a lot of, he talked about January 6th a lot. He talked about, what about the bomber? The bomber on January 6th.

and he talked about how it was a lefty liberal, and it was Antitho, when this was the guy who's already told the FBI that a big part or reason why he was there is because he believed that the election was stolen. Geez, I wonder where he got that from? But where did he get that information from? Where did he get that from? Just saying that his, like he was getting paid for his ideas before and now he's not because he's in the government, doesn't mean that his ideas necessarily were all conspiracy. Like he had a few, he might have said a few things that without maybe vetted evidence or maybe some things that turned out that the evidence wasn't true or maybe without evidence, I don't know. Maybe, and then you cited a few things that could have some liabilities. He spewed conspiracies about the 2020 election. He spewed conspiracies about the bomber on January 6th.

He spewed conspiracies about Epstein, none of which were true. And he, and now he can't do that because he's right. He's working for the FBI. That's what a lot of these people do. They say things on the air that's not true. But maybe none of which is proven true. Do you believe that when he said that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself? Do you believe that he's lying then?

Well, I will say this. If that is true. Do you believe that, though? Before you said, you didn't believe him. He was able to use a few lies when he was an opinion. Well, I don't know what is. Now that he, now that he's in the FBI, he has to tell the truth. I don't know what his opinion was on Jeffrey Epstein, whether Jeffrey Epstein

murdered himself or not. I'm just unaware of that. Here's what we do know. There's a minute or two of the video that they have not released. Jeffrey Epstein's brother believes that his brother was killed by somebody. Now, I don't know that for sure. But I'm asking you about Dan Bongino. I don't know what his opinion was on it when he was a podcaster.

But do you believe now that he's telling the truth when he says that actually Jeffrey Epstein killed himself? Because before you said he was spewing lies, but now he has to tell the truth. So do you think that he's telling the truth? Do you think that he's lying now? Well, conspiracy theory could be true. In regards to Jeffrey Epstein, whether he killed himself or not, the truth of the matter is, is that I really don't know. Do you think that Bongino knows and is telling him? the truth about Jeffrey Epstein murder. I don't know. I really don't know. I do find it weird

that a minute or two of the video isn't there. Would you guys find that a little strange? I'm not saying everything. The point that I'm making is you said that now he has to tell the truth. Well, and now I'm sure we all could agree that the FBI hasn't always told the truth or DOJ hasn't always told the truth. His job is to lie to us about the right things according to national secrecy and he will maybe even say I'm telling you the truth. It's very simple. There's a minute. or two that's missing from the video. There were a lot of weird things that happened that day. I'm not going to sit here and tell you that. Do you think Jeffrey Epstein was murder then? I don't know. I think there's a lot of strange things that happened. I don't, I truly don't know.

Here's what's weird. When I was interviewing Jeffrey Epstein's brother, he had a parole date, I think a few days later, okay? We all know that Jeffrey Epstein had boatloads of money. Now, I'm not saying he would have gotten, you know, gotten out on, not parole. I'm using the wrong verbiage here but he had a hearing where maybe he could be on house arrest or something why would he have killed himself a few days before that hearing his brother made that point which I find to be very interesting and again a minute of the video is missing as well so I do think that's that's a little strange as well I don't know the fact of the matter is is I is I don't know I don't know what

happened what I do know is that Bongino has spread a lot of conspiracy theories I'm not saying everything he said on his podcast is a lie. I'm sure he gets it right once in a while, but it makes him look really bad. He said, as you agree, he talked about the Epstein files almost every day in his podcast. He had all those people looking like fools with the binders out there. I blame Pam Bondi for that one. And then all of a sudden Donald Trump doesn't want to talk about it. It makes Dan Bongino look really bad.

Well, I don't think Trump doesn't want to talk about it. He was exhausted by the constant like chimping from our side. And then he's like, fine, okay, we'll release the files. And then Congress passed a bipartisan bill to release the files. I mean, the time line- He called all of his supporters stupid for bringing it up. That's how Trump. Trump has always spoken like that. This is not a particular example of him, like lashing out. I mean, this is pretty consistent with how Donald Trump communicates.

Calling all of his supporters stupid? Calling anyone that disagrees with him stupid. Can you give me any other time in his presidency where he called literally all of a supporter stupid for bringing something up? I don't think that he actually specifically said all of his supporters. Anybody who brings it up is stupid. He said anybody who brings it up as stupid. So that's not all of his support. The party has been bringing it up the last couple years a little bit more.

The Democrats? Democrats. Since Donald Trump got into office, the Democrats have been using this as a political point. For Trump's perspective, this is a left-wing attack on his presidency. That's why. Maga-Republicans have been talking about this far more now. Trump's tuning into Fox News. That's where he thinks the basis.

He's not tuning into like Rumble. Like on Fox News, they're not really concerned. They're talking about the economy of the day-to-day politico affairs. They're not like doing deep dives into the X-Dien affairs. I mean, I don't think Dan Bongino has any credibility at all. Um, that's just my personal opinion. I don't think cash Patel does either. I thought cash Patel would be the first one to be outed. I mean, I think we can all guess that what your opinions are about people in the administration. Wait, let me yeah, but let me talk about Dan a little

because I think he served as secret service. So there's some credibility for his life. He's wants to help. I mean he's, and just because something is a conspiracy theory doesn't mean that it's not true. And just because you haven't found the evidence to prove it doesn't mean it's not true. Just that you don't have it's an unproven theory. Well, the 2020 election is unproven, but he still thinks that Donald Trump... Last thing I'll say about Dan, I think earlier I said his audience is angry with him because he's been shut up there, but I think he wants to come back and please, he wants to tell the truth to his audience in a way that he can't do when he's in the government. You know, and to Tate's point, like, this is something that we talked about on the show.

There is a narrow group of people that feel very strongly about this, right? They're very, very animated. They care very deeply about the obscene stuff. But that isn't the broad Republican Party overall. Most people care about kitchen table issues. They care about the economy. They're going to be able to pay their kids bills. They care about health care.

Well, I mean, some do. Most people, actually, most Americans get their health care from their employer still. Most Americans do so. For most Americans, that's actually not something they worry about. People that don't have health care, health insurance, obviously they do. But that's not neither here nor there. The fact of the matter is Donald Trump, when he's, talking, like Tate was saying, when he's

talking about people that, when he insults the people that are bringing up Epstein, he is actually insulting a narrow, committed, and very animated group of people. He's not talking about his. There are still a lot of Republicans that are, that are very disappointed in Donald Trump because the Epstein files have not been released.

There are a lot of people that are, again, this is, honestly, a lot of people that are very animated, but it's not a lot when you consider how many people voted for Donald Trump and how many people actually support the president. Yeah, I mean, after the Why are approval ratings in the 30s then? Because of the economy?

Yeah. And after the infamous, after the infamous blow up that you're talking about, I mean, his approval rating didn't budge. So it's like, if that were the case, there's really this large group of Republicans, like, their main issue was the Epstein files, they would have defected right away. And then on the opposite end, candidates that we've seen over the years that really, that really, that really, well, there's, I mean, the reason why I disagree is Donald Trump was the guy that talked about grabbing women by the genitals.

Donald Trump is the guy that. And he's still got elected advice after that. No one cared. You're making my point for me. No one cared. You're making my point for me. me so I don't think the abstain, listen, listen, I, you guys are going to disagree with what I'm about to say, and it might be a little controversial. But I believe Donald Trump could sodomize a child on video and a portion of his base would still support him.

That's why I call it a cult. It is a cult. Not the game. But you're comparing something completely separately as like, look, the moral, the morality of Donald Trump was what was up for vote in the primaries of 2016. I don't think a lot of Trump supporters care about morals. If they did, they wouldn't have voted for him. So I mean, well, I mean. Again, it's like, this is like they're not voting for. for a priest. They're voting for a president. I mean, we've had morally compromised presidents throughout history. This is just the way things operate. Maybe in our lifetime a president that has done some of the repugnant, just the stuff that that he said about, uh, allegedly Bill Clinton. Well, okay, Bill Clinton, allegedly. Yeah. There's like, that's just what we know about before. And then there's presidents that

committed like war crimes. I mean, George W. Bush, that's much more reprehensible than like, so Bill Clinton, I would not vote for, uh, because I do believe he's done. No one's asking you to vote for. saying who is as morally repugnant as like Donald Trump's personal players? You vote for Bill Clinton over Donald Trump? A hundred percent. Yeah. So I don't think after a couple is murdered, Bill Clinton the next day would trash those people.

That's exactly what Donald Trump did the other day. Bill Clinton's alleged to, you know, he's an alleged rapist, just like Donald Trump is an alleged rapist. Sure. So I still believe, I still believe Bill Clinton is a better leader than Donald Trump. But you've moved the goalposts. You've just moved the goalposts. Sure. You've moved the goal push.

You're saying, name one president. And we name like three. And then you're like, well, what about like how we handled Reiner? And it's like, what? That's not at all. Okay, so Bill Clinton is accused of sexual abuse, right? He was never found liable in a court of law the way Donald Trump was, okay? So that's number one.

Those are allegations. Now Donald Trump did cheat on Hillary Clinton. Yes, he did do that. And that was stupid and that was horrible and that was morally wrong. I completely agree. Joe Biden's alleged to have gone into the shower with his daughter. There is a page in the diary that has not been confirmed. Alleged.

It was in, and you're comparing a page in a diary where his daughter allegedly said borderline inappropriate. It is not borderline inappropriate to digitally use your fingers in a dressing room the way Donald Trump did. And a jury of his peers found that he penetrated her. And the judge characterized it as weight. You're splitting hairs because you're talking about, we're talking about Bill Clinton, who's alleged to actually have raped someone, who's done something.

But you mentioned Joe Biden. I think morally you're comparing apples to oranges. No, the point that we're making is it is not as if Donald Trump is some uniquely bad president or morally compromised person I think he as opposed to other presidents in the past I think he is I mean I want to make a clear question of leadership because I think Trump has like a maybe maybe arguably has a lower leadership score as a character because he's causing so much division in society than Bill Clinton but that doesn't mean he hasn't done better things as a leader even with the lower score you can accomplish greater stuff you name you a former president that's ever attacked a

POW for being captured this is I guess I And this is just like, what about us? No. No, it's the things that Donald Trump are morally worse than any other president in my left. I mean, you're talking about literally attacking POWs, dudes issuing drone bombs. Attacking POWs, women of color, attacking women on looks.

I can go on and on. Mexicans are rapists, but I suppose some of them are good people. Yeah, they killed a lot of our own POWs in Vietnam. They issued a lot of drone bomb in campaigns. Trump hasn't done stuff like that. He has some value. He dodged the military multiple times. He did do that.

What he's doing is he's helping us not become part of this banking, order he's trying to slow it down that's Clinton wasn't he was ramping it up with glass we ended we ended in Bill Clinton's presidency with a surplus Donald Trump got us 8.2 trillion dollars in debt because we were inflating the economy in Clinton's campaign you could you could you could you could blame who you want but Donald Trump got us 8.2 trillion dollars look let's not let's not let's this is already broken down into a big old like oh Donald Trump so bad and that's kind of that's just kind of pointless you know so we're gonna jump to

this story here let's see it is from newswire on X. They're saying that AOC leads J.D. Vance 51 to 49 in a hypothetical 2028 poll from Verisai. Really? Yeah. I mean, look, it's early. It's early. It's very, very early. Yeah. And I've been saying on the show that it is a bad idea to underestimate AOC, whether or not you agree with her, whether or not you like her. I don't think that there's any of her policies that I personally agree with. But I do think that she's a skilled politician. that she wouldn't be in the situation that she's in now, basically being the face of the party right now, right? At least on the national level,

there are very few Democrats that have better name recognition than AOC or that people could pick out of a lineup. It's certainly not the, not Hakeem Jeffries or whatever. I don't think ASC should run for the president. But I do think that it is worth noting, you know, this early, a 51 to 49 lead when you've got J.D. Vance and the president, and of course, Donald Trump does have a bit of baggage right now. It is fresh off of a big win.

So that would affect J.D. Vance, too. But I'm interested in hearing. No, I want to say, this is 100% correct. If you're a Democrat, you should be throwing your full weight behind an AOC presenter. Veracite is not a cut rate pollster at all. They're very reputable. They definitely got the 2016 election. Absolutely spot on.

I think every Democrat should be riding with AOC. I think this is your gal. This is your gal. This is your gal. I know what you're saying, Tate. I know what you're doing. She's fantastic. I'm telling you. Look, she's blowing J.D. Vantel. Come on, nominator. No, she's so viable. Verrecyte's a great pollster. This is a separate. I think that she's extremely dangerous.

And I think that she, I know that Tim disagrees. And there's a lot of people that disagree with me. But I think she's very dangerous. And I think that she could absolutely win. So I partially agree with you. I think when Republicans attack her because she was a bartender. I think it's disgusting. I have a lot of respect for AOC. However, I don't think she should run for president. I think a vice president would be a better choice for her. If it was against the J.D. Vance, I could think of other people, not because he has the same last name as me, but Josh Shapiro. I'm thinking about the governor of Maryland. Obviously, right now, the frontrunner is Gavin Newsom.

I think if it was a Gavin Newsom, AOC ticket, I think that would work much better. This is the bottom line that Democrats need to understand, and some Democrats get very upset at me for saying this. Women are 0 and 2 against Donald Trump. Let's go. I don't believe, and listen, I have no problem with a woman being a president. and I voted for Kamala Harris happily. I would have voted for a ham sandwich over Donald Trump. But then that's not saying anything about that fact that you'd voted for Kamala Harris.

If she's going against Donald Trump, obviously you're going to vote for anyone at all. But I'm just speaking in general terms who I think can win. I'd be very concerned. While I agree with some of the stuff you said, I think you have to put a man in there. And it's not because I don't like women. It's not because I don't think a woman could be president. I voted for Kamala. I would be concerned if she was running for president.

I think Democrats right now need to learn from their mistakes. You know, Hillary and Kamala lost to Trump. Joe Biden won. So I think the polls are, listen, we're three hours out. I'm sorry, three years out. I think it's a little early with these polls. I think you guys do have an issue with J.D. Vance. He's not Donald Trump in the sense that he's not bringing people out the way Donald Trump did,

even though I despise Donald Trump. J.D. Fance certainly doesn't have the charisma. And he's not as well liked as certainly some of you would say Donald Trump is. I agree. I agree with Brian and you'll agree with me. We need to get these broads back to the kitchen. Get him out of here. I didn't say that. You sound like Myron Gaines now. I didn't say that. Well, I mean, you didn't, no, you didn't say it so colorfully. But you essentially said the same thing. I don't think it's the same reason why if Pete Buttigieg ran for president. By the way, I think Pete Buttigieg is an extremely intelligent guy. Tossing the gays under the bus. And I'm not trying to do that either. I think there are a lot of people out there that did not vote for Kamala Harris, sadly, because she's a woman. You don't think that it was because of Kamal Harris as a person, as a candidate. What was wrong with her as a person?

As a candidate, she was extremely unlikable. She had terrible, terrible charisma. And most people vote charisma. Honestly, most people vote vibes. She was unlikable. She didn't win any of the primaries when she was running. She was out before she got to her home state because if she'd have gone in California, she'd have lost and her political career would have been over.

Okay, well, sadly, there are people out there that vote on charisma. I wish that wasn't the case. I wish people could be a little bit more informed and not vote for somebody because they make a joke. She only had three months. It's one of my biggest criticisms of Joe Biden. He should have stepped down much earlier.

And if they had a primary, I would have been much better with that. They should have had that. Yeah, the Democrats haven't a primary in ages, huh? Well, Joe Biden, again, it's my biggest criticism of Joe Biden. He put his ego ahead of the country. He should have stepped down

and he should have been a one term. He only gave her three months. Donald Trump had four years to campaign. She only had three months. I do not blame Kamala Harris. I do think her campaign was a little bit too careful with her. She should have done the Joe Rogan show. She should have done shows like this. See, I think the reason that she didn't do those things is because of her lack of causement. Because she would have been terrible on those shows. No, I disagree. I thought her interview on the Howard Stern show was a good one. And I think that she should have done Joe Rogan. I think she was

more than capable of doing it. Listen, it was an anti- Donald Trump vote for me. Okay, Kamala wasn't my first second or third pick, just like Joe Biden wasn't my first second or third pick. I think the Democrats do have some young, skilled people. AOC, I agree with what you just said. I think she's a decent human being. I don't always agree with her. I think some of her, you know, the Green New Deal and stuff like that, a little bit too far to the left for me.

What do you think the Inflation Reduction Act was? I'm not a big fan. I'm not a big fan. I'll be honest with you. I'm pretty moderate when it comes to some policies, but I'm very much to the left when it comes to social, social issues, and I'm not afraid of that. I voted for eight Republicans in the midterms. I did not vote for Barack Obama. I did not vote for Hillary Clinton. I thought John McCain could have been a really good president. I thought Mitt Romney would have been fine. I have respect for

Mitt Romney. I have a lot of respect for AOC. But I just don't think that would be a smart decision for the Democrats. You know why I didn't vote for Kamala? And you said you voted against Trump and that you would have voted for hands down? I think Kamala is a decent human being. What I voted for was the system because what they did was choose a candidate without they bypass the primary. I'm like, this is a bad precedent for the future of American democracy. They chose Hillary Clinton with superdelegates. They set a precedent where the Democratic Party can select a candidate without the people's voice. I feel like that they call themselves democratic, but that's a guise. It's actually the imperial economic order that's trying to control and turn us into a corporate government. So I

voted against that. Well, there's a lot of people that I've that I've spoken to, people that that didn't vote. Now, they won't admit it publicly, but I do think, sadly, this makes me really sad to say this. There's a lot of people in this country that do not want to vote for a woman as president of the United States. It makes me very sad to say that the reason why I brought up Pete Buttigieg is, yes, I think there's a percentage of people in this country that would not vote for him because he's gay. I hate saying that. I think Pete Buttigieg would be a good candidate, but we have to look at the Democrat Party have to look at the reality of the situation here. Who's electable and who's not. You mentioned Gavin Newsom and O.C. I agree. I think that's the most powerful Democratic

ticket we see. I see right now. And I'm wondering what you guys think about. J.D. Vance, obviously, the front runner for the Republican Party. But who do you think would make a great VP for J.D. Roveo wants the job, and I think he's going to get it. I think that's the main reason why he took this position. And I think it will be J.D. Vance and Marco Rubio.

And I absolutely believe that it's going to be Gavin Newsom. Whether he picks AOC or not, I'm not sure. I think that would be a very intelligent move to make. So your politics where you supported John McCain tactically in a way, supported Mitt Romney, didn't want to vote for Obama. Yeah. And then you've had some, you know, hangups with Biden, Kamala, et cetera. And then you're against Trump.

To me, this sounds like someone that is just defending the status quo. And like as a Zoom or I'm 24, everything around me is completely broken. The system is fundamentally failed in a variety of ways. And I just, for me, I just don't see how that's a defensible position to want to uphold the system. If we want to talk about policy, I'll tell you the issues that I have right now. I don't believe giving the biggest tax breaks to the top 1%, which is $100 billion this year, is a good idea. I don't like the fact that 20 million people are going to be off their Medicaid coverage in the big and beautiful bill. I don't like the fact that millions of people are going to lose their food stamps.

I think we need to take care of people that are struggling. Donald Trump, the economy is very good for the richest people in this country. I don't like that. And I don't mean to sound like Bernie Sanders here, but the economy is in the crapper right now. Five months in a row, inflation has gone up. The unemployment rate when Joe Biden left office was at 4.1%. I believe it's hovering around 4.6, 4.7%. The private sector job growth is abysmal.

It's terrible. And you guys admitted it. That's why his numbers are so bad in the 30s, okay? His approval rating numbers. By the way, he didn't do what he said he was going to do. The reason that his approval ratings are bad is because of the fact that people tend to pull away from the party that just won. So that historically- Joe Biden's numbers were not this low a year into his present.

said people tend to. And I don't think it's going to be like practical for an audience to like compare economics numbers. That was my original question was what about the system as it stands do you see is defensible worth upholding? Because clearly half the country voting for Trump indicates that people are very upset with the system. And on the Democrat side, voting for people like Zoron, but half the country, yeah, half the country didn't necessarily vote for Trump. Less than half the people. Seventy seven million. Right, but less than half the people that went to the voter booth did not vote for Donald Trump. He did win the popular vote. but there's a lot of people that are very unhappy.

There's a lot of people that thought this was America First Agenda. When you bail out other countries in the way he has, and you invite former Al-Qaeda leaders to the White House, and you do business with Qatar, and you do business with the Prince, and you invite him to the White House, this is not an America-first agenda. When you say 600,000 Chinese people should be coming to this country

because we don't have enough talented people here, a lot of people were very pissed off at some of those things. This is not an America-first agenda, so a lot of people are very upset. So are you saying that there should be a more, that there should be a more America First agenda? Or are you just pointing out things that other people aren't having? I'm saying why his numbers are so low and why so many of his supporters I think are jumping ship.

That's what I understand the criticisms of Trump from the right. I'm asking you what specifically about the system as it stands. Can you not understand why people are supporting Donald Trump? Why people are supporting your Bernie Sanders. When you say system, be specific and give me something that the Democrats have put forth that you disagree with in regards to the system. So I could be specific and giving you this this post-war consensus. This sort of liberalism as it stands is fundamentally. failing people. You're seeing the suicide rate sky rock. You're seeing depression numbers through the

roof. Substance abuse through the roof. So you're blaming the suicide numbers for what, I mean, I could talk about gun control and I can talk to you how easy it is for people to get their hands on guns. Suicide rates are through the roof. It's too easy for people to get their hands on guns that are mentally ill. I could talk to you about the suicide rate is also sky high in places with super type. And which party is taking money away from allocating funds for people that are mentally ill that need help? Which party is doing that? I don't think every single suicidal person is doing this because of lack of resources, I think they're doing it because of lack of meaning. I didn't say, I didn't say every single person. All I'm saying is which party, after a mass shooting, talks about how we need

to help mentally ill, and which party is actually financially wanting to back? Because we already have enough, we have enough government programs to try and plug holes in this, but the reality is the system as it stands is robbing people of purpose. Well, I think you'd have to be specific again and give me some policies, and then I might agree with you. I don't know. I mean, I don't agree with Democrats on every policy. Yes, I don't agree that transgender. should be competing with women on the playing field, but I also don't think that's a top 10 issue. Republicans are obsessed with banning books.

They're obsessed with transgender. There are no banned books. Are you, if you're talking about, what do you mean? They talk about banning books all the time. If you're talking about curating books that are in public libraries, that's curation. That's a different thing.

Any book that a liberal or some progressive or someone on the left wants to get, they can buy right from Amazon and there is no issue getting it. So it's not banning books. You're talking about you have a prize. problem with the way that the left or with the way that the right curates books that are in public libraries. What I will say is the Republicans talk about these books a lot. That's a big topic for them.

I can go to. It's not banning, though. It's curating what is in public libraries or in school. If something is. Curation is not banning. That's totally different. So here's the point that I was trying to make. When you look at, I believe, it's the second leading cause of death in children under 16.

Gun violence. and it's not the second leading cause of death and children on 16. What number is it? I don't know what it is, but it's not the second. I thought it was the second. I could be wrong on that. But I think we all could agree here. You know, children getting gun down in schools is horrible.

It's terrible. But I feel like MAGA Republicans particularly care more about drag queens, and they make it sound like drag queens are more of a threat, you know, to children in this country, then all the gun violence we have. And I think that is a, I'm very passionate about that. I grew up right down the road from Sandy Hook in Connecticut. And, you know, have you ever seen a Democrat on a campaign ad brag about their A-plus rating from the NRA? It's all Republicans.

Have you ever seen a Democrat? There used to be. There used to be. There used to be. There used to be. But this is dancing around the main sort of point I'm trying to get to is drag queens as they exist are downstream from what is the issue fundamentally. is people in the United States and the West broadly have been robbed of their identity. And so they just gravitate.

They believe it's something that's transient, something that can just move around. Gun violence is just a method. How are you robbed of your identity, explain that to me. How are people being robbed? Because if you're like, if you're born as a woman and then you get deracinated and you're like, okay, maybe I can be. Who's derastinating? This new post-war consensus, this liberal order. Who's forcing children to be transgender?

Who's doing that? The system at large? Because there's no, there's a very broad statement. Because there's no sense of identity. There's no emphasis of identity. So telling children, it's okay to be transgender. You're not, you're not okay with that? Yes.

I'm not okay with that at all. They're children. They're not okay. So if a children ask a question, what is transgender? The teacher shouldn't be allowed to answer it. That's something that parents should talk about, to be honest with you. But to be honest with you, the idea that children have to know about this stuff, I totally reject it. Depends on how old they are.

There are, it depends. I think it depends on how old they are, but the idea that Donald Trump says you drop off your children at school and then they come home another gender is a joke that's not happening. It's not an easy thing to do. You have to talk to doctors. You have to talk to therapists. You have to get parental consent in most cases. It depends on where you are. Yes. It depends on where you are clearly. It's clearly coming from somewhere because we're seeing as each generation passes the doubling of LGBT identification with the generation. You know why? You know why? Because maybe, maybe people find it to be a little bit more socially. acceptable to be gay now than it was maybe 20, 30 years. If that were the case, then why is that... Yeah, they're very different. So you guys think one day a child or a teenager just says, hey, I think I'm going to like men now because my teacher said it's okay. Is that what you're not about gay? It's about being transgender, which means that you think you're not in the right body, which is like a dysmorphic thing that can happen to kids

if they don't have like... So why do we want to get involved in that? Why not let them listen to professionals? Because there's a massive incentive structure bending towards it. Of course there is. Yes. What's the incentive structure? Well, among, There's economic benefits. You have, you have DEI principles that sort of benefit you in college admissions if you're part of the LGBT. And then probably it's also culturally it is the cool, the cool in thing.

So people are getting advantages in society because they're transgender. Yes. Yes. That I haven't heard that before. I think it's actually the opposite. I think a lot of these people are discriminated against. No. I have a step.

It's like by the wall. They cannot be discriminated against. And actually not there's quotas. They still are, though. Just because the law says you can't discriminate. It doesn't mean it doesn't happen. You have weapons. at your disposal to sue. I don't understand why Republicans are obsessed with transgender.

I just don't get it. Companies have it out for trans people is just not happening whatsoever. Well, I think in this society, if you are gay or if you are transgender, I think that that group of people are discriminated a lot more against than people that are like us. Not nowadays. Not now. It's like celebrated. How is a white male our age being discriminated against because the color of our skin or our sexuality? It was a great article, actually. It was a lot. Just telling me, we don't have to look at up an article. Just tell me. Well, it's discriminated in, in hiring, in school, college admissions.

If you look at the number of what young white men that are talking about affirmative action. Is that, is that what you're referring to when it comes to college admissions? No, I'm talking about, I'm talking about, particularly in the workplace, but workplaces are saying we need to to focus on diversity and we're not going to hire white. So you even, so we even saw it with the last election where Biden's like, I'm going to pick a PNC. So let me ask you guys a question then. In society right now, would you rather be a white male or would you rather be, uh, a gay black male. What would you rather be in society? I'd rather be me. My identity is intrinsic to me. It's bind. You think that transgender's and homosexuals are treated

better than the average straight white male in this country? Well, I disagree. I disagree with you. I don't think so. I think they're under a lot of stress. Well, because they're under stress because it's not a, it's a sort of state of being that is corrosive to the soul in many ways. Why is being gay corrosive to the system? It's corrosive to your soul. I don't want to conflate gay and transgender. They're completely different, though. Because having a show. Why would be a show? So being married and a happy marriage with a woman and having children is like naturally beneficial to the soul. So your opinion, which is fine, I respect your opinion. If you think naturally marrying a woman and having kids is better for your soul, that's fine. But not everybody thinks like you and everybody is different. Most people that are gay, including George Santos, who happens to be a friend of mine, told me he knew he was gay when he was five years old. It wasn't a choice.

Why would you say it's corrosive to somebody when it's not even their choice? We haven't made the argument that being gay is a choice. We haven't made the argument that being gay is a choice. Right, but you said being gay is corrosive. You said the lifestyle of being gay is corrosive. You said the lifestyle of the lifestyle being gay is corrosive. They're much more unhappy. The suicide is far higher. The substance abuse rate is far higher. Did you ever think that maybe the suicide rate is more higher because of the way people treat them in society? Not nowadays. And like getting glossy advertisements and like getting put on the cover of every fashion magazine. Like in what way? I mean, I would have bought this argument in like the 60s. No, maybe being hazed when you were a kid and maybe people like you telling people that your, it's, corrosive, even though it's not your choice. I didn't say they are corrosive. I said the action is corrosive. Which makes them corrosive. Their behavior is gross and they're gross. Any humans being gross to the soul. I think there's a lot of actions. Fundamentally, this is just where I think we just fundamentally here. I don't care what your sexuality is. I don't care with your transgender

or not. It certainly doesn't affect me in a negative way. I want people to live their lives and be happy and I want the government out of their lives. I don't want to treat people with disrespect or call them their behavior corrosive just because their sexuality is different than me. I disagree with you. You keep mischaracterism as a corrosive to your soul. This action does impact you. And then, yes, people, the transgender movement at large has affected everybody. Because all society is is a makeup.

It's a conglomeration of individuals. And so when you have a large proportion of individuals behaving in a certain way, that's going to have an impact on society. Would you not vote for somebody because of their sexuality? It depends on who it is. I mean. Is that a factor to you? It doesn't matter.

Yeah. Okay. So it's corrosive. Being a single man is a factor to me. Like I would have hangups if like someone was running for president and they were a single man. There's a lot of factors. What about somebody that cheats on every woman he's ever been with? Is that corrosive to the soul as well?

Yeah. That is a factor. Absolutely. Trump's morality was a factor in supporting. But it wasn't enough for you to say. No. That's why I said I would vote for a gay guy. Like that's not like the deciding factor.

It's just a factor. Yes. I really voted against the imperial corporate state that seems to be trying to force us to take their medicine. It's really. I don't know. I guess I don't know. it's just me. I don't care what someone's sexuality is. I don't think they're corrosive just because they're

different than me. They keep saying that over there. Their behavior is gross. Being gay is not corrosive to my soul. It's right to their soul. The argument that he was making is that part of the reason why people are depressed or part of the reason why there's such depression and stuff is because it's corrosive to their soul, not because they are corrosive to themselves or to others. Yes. And likewise, that's why you're seeing like right now with like this in-cell thing that's happening. Again, that is a behavior. not having companionship as corrosive to your soul. If you hate women, that's going to be corrosive to your soul. Anything that is outside of this natural order is going to cause you grief.

Like I think even gay people would agree with me is they would say, yeah, the not being able to have like this, you know, sort of traditional marriage, not being able to procreate. Like, yeah, it sucks. And that's why gay people often will say, like, I don't, if I had kids, I wouldn't want them to be gay. They say this all the time. Well, like I said, in most cases, it's not a choice. I don't care what people do behind closed doors so long as it's not illegal.

I disagree with you. I don't think that behavior is corrosive to the soul. I think if you're going back to religious purposes or the Bible, I could care less what a book says. Never once alluded to the Bible. I'm just speaking in general terms. I'm not saying you said that. But I think this is the problem in society in general. I think we are too judgmental of other people based on their behavior that might not be exactly the way you want it for you.

And you know what I say? Be happy. Marry somebody. Have as many kids as you want. Do you just don't judge other people because they're not like you? That's all. Do you think the issue in today's society is that not enough people are being told yes? I think the issue in society is too many people are being told this is right and this is wrong. We could be talking about religion. There's objective morality. Yes. We could be talking about religion. My religion is right. Everybody else's religion is wrong. There's a lot of people that think like that and I think they're sick. All sorts of different. Well, all sorts of different religion.

Who are you to tell somebody that they're right and you're wrong? You don't know who God is. You've never met God. You've never met them. You don't know. No, you don't. You don't know if there's life after death. You can say you do, but you don't.

There is. I could say that the tooth fairy is God. We don't know. You can believe what you want to believe. This could turn into a theology to be. No. It's a faith. It's a faith.

You have the right to believe in what you want to believe in. What I'm saying is that there is objective morality and objective truth. Yes. And that it would be nice if the incentive structures in the United States and the West, largely would bend towards objective truth. You know, I don't think being, let me let me let me get this in, but let me say this for a very, I don't think being gay is corrosive of the soul

so much as getting it on with too many people. And maybe guys, because of their testosterone, get it on more than girls, and two gay dudes might get it on more than a child. This is the reason why, part of the reason why the multiple partners has, has such a, a promiscuous thing about it is because

there isn't the mediating factor of women, right? Like, women are like the, the hold on women are the gay keepers of sex. When you take women out of it, you end up with an extremely permissive. Promiscism can cause corrosivity. I mean, if you believe in the virtue of chastity,

which is like save it for your woman or save it for your partner. I've heard people say that gay men and gay women don't raise children as well as a man and a woman does. I've heard all sorts of theories. And here's the bottom line. I've seen straight men and straight women, horrible parents.

I'm sure you guys would agree. It's a case by case basis. and and I just get frustrated when people make judgments about an entire group of people because they might not be like well let me talk about trans do you not think that children have a right to a father and a mother I think children have a right to parents and you think that father and a mother are important uh I think parents are very important no no we I'm specifically I'm specifically asking yes do you think that the best best option for children is to have a mother and a father I think if it's too

fathers or two mothers, I'd be just as, I'm just as fine with it. It's a case-by-case basis. You do not think that children are better served when there is a father and a mother. You think that it is fine if it is two mothers or two fathers? I mean, if you could show me a study that that shows otherwise, then I'd be open to looking at it. No, I answered you. There's a lot of men and women that are horrible parents out there. And I can also tell you that there are gay parents that are wonderful parents. It's a case-by-case basis. And I don't think their sexuality has anything to do it? The original question is, do the parent, sorry, do children, do children have a right to a father and a mother for the same reason that it's like, yes, it's a tragedy

for the child when they are raised in like a single parent household. It's unfortunate. It's not beneficial. That's what I think is a more important issue than what we're talking about. Because it's the same thing. It's like because you need that masculine, feminine influence when you're growing up. Now, I don't think it's the same thing. When you're raised by one parent, as opposed to being raised by two parents, two that happen to be men or two happen to be women, I don't think that's the same thing at all. So you think like three parents is even better? No, I didn't say that either. Well, then what's so special about two? what's so special?

Well, what do you mean what's so special about? Well, that's what you're against, three parents, and then you say one parent, as you say,

well, a lot of kids have three parents. A lot of kids have three parents. There's their stepfathers, their stepmothers. I mean, there's a lot of situations. No,

that's, that's completely different. That's a good argument, Tay. I think it's the duality of man and woman that make baby that makes us think that it's important to have two parents.

No, it's, it is because, again, as a human being, you need a mother, you need a father. Fathers and mother.

And this is not, I mean, I come, you know, my household, you know, there's, it's not optimal. I love my parents. I have a father and a mother. And I, my, my father and a mother, I do not. My father and my father and mother are terrific. And I'm saying, what I was alluding to is that without both of their influences, I don't know how it turned out. Maybe I would turn. And that's great.

And that's great. And I feel the same way about my parents. And I would want that for every child. All I can tell you is that there are kids out there that are, that grow up to be pretty awesome people. And they, they have two fathers and two mothers. And, you know, I guess it goes back. to the original argument that I was trying to make is that I don't want to interfere in other people's lives. I want people to be happy. I don't care what their sexuality is.

You know, that's kind of fundamentally my personal opinion on where I stand on all this stuff. I just want people, stay out of people's private life. I just don't think that society has benefited from telling people yes to everything. It's everything has gone backwards. Everything's gotten worse. People need guardrails. Yeah, I agree. And it doesn't seem like our president has many guardrails. No, I think we need, I think we need guard rails. No, no, no, no, of course we need guardrails. You just said we don't.

You just said whatever happens behind closed doors. No, no, no, no. That's the opposite of guardrails. What I'm talking about is somebody's sexuality. Whether they want to be gay or straight. Sexuality has guardrails. That's why rape is illegal. That's why.

Okay, but we're talking about people. That's bad for you. I'm not comparing, I'm not talking about rape to somebody who happens to be gay. Those are two completely different things. I didn't say you were saying that obviously. You're arguing that we don't need guard rails, but we do need guardrails. trying to hear which when it comes to raping somebody and breaking the law. That's a guardrail.

We're not, right, but we're not, we're talking about homosexuality and parenting. It's completely, I agree. And that's not the same thing at all. And that's a totally different realm of conversation. What I was saying is that, yes, you do believe in guardrails. And so. Well, of course you can't break the law and rape people and sexually assault people. Right.

So for trying to achieve the best possible sort of flourishment for human beings, guardrails are important because people, when left to their own devices, it's very rare that someone's going to make the best possible decision. Obviously, that's why the United States government. That's why I like hard. drugs are illegal because unfortunately when people get addicted to heroin, they can't help but get more heroin. Like it's addictive. Of course. It's something, again, that's... We are not doing a good enough job in this country when it comes to addiction in general. And I agree with you. But if someone's

doing heroin and the privacy of their own home, why do you care? It doesn't affect you. Well, first of all, we're talking about sex and we're talking about two men or two men and you said, I don't care what people do in the privacy of their own home. I was referring to sex and what they do in the bedroom. I was not referring to doing drugs, which can kill you. Um, those are two... It has a poor outcome. for your life. Those are two completely different things. So in one instance, you are advocating for the government to intervene when the outcome of someone's life is threatened, but in the realm of sexuality, it's completely irrelevant. Yeah, because when two men or two women are having sex, I would never compare that to somebody that's taking heroin. But if a child, if a child, those are

two different, two different things. If it's like, okay, the argument generally from the right that I've discerned of the last few years is that you have to protect children from devious parents, people that would sexually abuse their children or whatever. So if people are getting sexualized imagery and metaphors and ideas into like eight-year-olds and seven and six-year-olds. Of course that's wrong. And they're concerned that just by bringing up transgender, you are bringing up sexuality to a six-year-old. And for the TV to do it, a corporation to have commercials about it, it's like,

homie, that's the argument. I have a hard time refuting it because I think we need censorship, which just needs to be righteous. You need to agree as a society what to censor when and where. And what to protect kids? You don't want them to see blown open body parts on TV. Right. Well, again, consensorship is something that comes in a place when you were trying to guide for specifically children towards the best possible outcome. That's parenting.

Well, it's parenting, but the state has, because the parents can't be in control of everything. Yeah, I don't, I don't believe of the 300,000 teachers that are in this country that there's a lot of teachers out there that are telling eight, nine-year-olds that they should be transgender or you should be this or that. So you've said that the only reason that we're seeing LGBT identification double is being. I didn't say it was the only reason. Because it's socially accepted. Yeah, I didn't say it was the only reason, but I can tell you that the people that I know, well, I can tell you that a lot of people that I know that happened to be gay have told me that they felt very uncomfortable to come out 10, 15, 20 years ago, and they do feel more comfortable to come out now. I'm not saying it's the only reason. I'm not even saying maybe it's the main reason,

but it's certainly one of the reasons. And I've talked to people about that. There's a lot of people that. Hey, we're going to jump this here. We're going to go to the president's remarks right now. Good evening, America. 11 months ago. I inherited a mess, and I'm fixing it. When I took office, inflation was the worst in 48 years, and some would say in the history of our country, which caused prices to be higher than ever before, making life unaffordable for millions and millions of Americans.

This happened during a Democrat administration, and it's when we first began hearing the word affordability. Our border was open, and because of this, our country, was being invaded by an army of 25 million people, many who came from prisons and jails, mental institutions, and insane asylums. They were drug dealers, gang members, and even 11,88 murderers, more than 50 percent of whom killed more than one person.

This is what the Biden administration allowed to happen to our country, and it can never be allowed to happen again. We had men playing in women's sports, transgender for everybody, crime at record levels with law enforcement and words such as that just absolutely forbidden. We had the worst trade deals ever made and our country was laughed at from all over the world, but they're not laughing anymore. Over the past 11 months, we have brought more positive change to Washington than any administration in American history. There's never been anything like it, and I think most would agree. I was elected in a landslide winning the popular vote and all seven swing states and everything

else with a mandate to take on a sick and corrupt system that really just took the wealth from people and crushed the dreams of the American people for the last. four years, the United States was ruled by politicians who fought only for insiders, illegal aliens, career criminals, corporate lobbyists, prisoners, terrorists, and above all, foreign nations, which took advantage of us at levels never seen before. They flooded your cities and towns with illegal aliens. They decimated your hard-earned savings. They indoctrinated your children with hate for America. Really, I mean, and they just released a level of violent felons

that we had never seen to prey on innocent. They caused war. They caused maim. They caused a horrible situation all over the globe. But now you have a president who fights for the law-abiding, hardworking people of our country, the ones who make this nation run, who make this nation work.

And after just one year, we have achieved more than anyone could have imagined. Starting on day one, I took immediate action to stop the invasion of our southern border for the past seven months. Zero illegal aliens have been allowed into our country, a feat which everyone said was absolutely impossible. Do you remember when Joe Biden said that he needed Congress to pass legislation to help close the border? He was always blaming Congress and everyone else. As it turned out, we didn't need legislation. We just needed a new president.

We inherited the worst border anywhere in the world, and we quickly turned it into the strongest border in the history of our country. In other words, in a few short months, we went from worst to best. We're deporting criminals, restoring safety to our most dangerous cities. Just take a look at Washington, D.C. It's at levels of safety that we've never seen before. and they decimated the bloodthirsty foreign drug cartels. We did that all by ourselves with our people, and we're so proud of it because they were poisoning and destroying our population. Drugs brought in by ocean and by sea are now down 94%.

We have broken the grip of sinister, woke radicals in our schools, and control over those schools is back now in the hands of. of our great and loving states where education belongs. After rebuilding the United States military in my first term, and with the addition, we are adding right now, we have the most powerful military anywhere in the world, and it's not even close. I've restored American strength, settled eight wars in 10 months,

destroyed the Iran nuclear threat, and ended the war in Gaza, bringing, for the first time in 3,000 years, peace to the Middle East and secured the release of the hostages, both living and dead. Here at home, we're bringing our economy back from the brink of ruin, the last administration and their allies in Congress looted our treasury for trillions of dollars, driving up prices and everything at levels never seen before. I am bringing those high prices down and bringing them down very fast. Let's look at the facts. Under the Biden,

administration, car prices rose 22% and in many states 30% or more. Gasoline rose 30 to 50%. Hotel rates rose 37%. Airfares rose 31% now under our leadership. They are all coming down and coming down fast. Democrat politicians also sent the cost of grocery soaring, but we are solving that too. The price of a Thanksgiving turkey was down 33% compared to the Biden last year. The price of eggs is down 82% since March, and everything else is falling rapidly. Anyone else feel like this is just noise?

Not done yet, but boy, are we making progress? Nobody can believe what's going on. Here are just some of the efforts that we have underway. You will see in your wallets and bank accounts in the new year. After years of record-setting falling incomes, our policies are boosting take-home pay at a historic pace. Under Biden, real wages plummeted by $3,000. I don't know what to believe.

Under Trump, the typical factory worker, we're seeing a wage increase of $1,300. For construction workers, it's $1,800. For miners, we're bringing back clean, beautiful coal, it's $3,300. And for the first time in years, wages are rising much faster than inflation. Remember that. rate, the wages, just look at it. Wages are going up much faster than inflation. How big is that?

Very importantly, there are more people working today than at any time in American history, and 100% of all jobs created since I took office have been in the private sector. Think of that. 100% of all jobs have been in the private sector rather than government, which is the only way to make a country powerful and great. This historic trend will continue. Already, I've secured a record-breaking $18 trillion of investment into the United States, which means jobs, wage increases, growth, factory openings, and far greater national security. Much of this success has been accomplished by tariffs, my favorite word, tariffs, which for

many decades have been used successfully by other countries against us. but not anymore. Companies know that if they build in America, there are no tariffs, and that's why they're coming home to the USA in record numbers. They're building factories and plants at levels. We haven't seen AI automobiles. We're doing what nobody thought was even possible, not even remotely possible. There's never, frankly, been anything like it.

One year ago, our country was dead. We were absolutely dead. our country is ready to fail, totally failed. Now, we're the hottest country anywhere in the world. And that's said by every single leader that I've spoken to over the last five months. Next year, you will also see the results of the largest tax cuts in American history that were really accomplished through our great, big, beautiful bill, perhaps the most sweeping legislation ever passed in Congress.

We wrapped 12 different bills up into one beautiful bill. That includes no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, and no tax on Social Security for our great seniors. Under these cuts, many families will be saving between $11,000 and $20,000 a year, and next spring is projected to be the largest tax refund season of all time. because of tariffs along with the just passed one big beautiful bill. Tonight, I am also proud to announce that more than 1,450,000, think of this, 1,450,000 military service members will receive a special, we call Warrior Dividend before Christmas, a Warrior Dividend, in honor of our nation's founding in 1776, We are sending every soldier $1,776. Think of that. And the checks are already on the way.

Nobody understood that one until about 30 minutes ago. We made a lot more money than anybody thought because of tariffs and the bill helped us along. Nobody deserves it more than our military. And I say congratulations to everybody. And by the way, we now have record enlistment in our military. And last year we had among the worst recruitment numbers in our military's history,

what a difference a year makes. In addition, I'm doing what no politician of either party has ever done, standing up to the special interest to dramatically reduce the price of prescription drugs. I negotiated directly with the drug companies and foreign nations, which would take advantage of our country for many decades, to slash prices on drugs and pharmaceuticals by as much as 400, 500 and even 600%. In other words, your drug costs will be plummeting downward,

and I use the threat of tariffs to get foreign countries who would never have done it to pay the cost of this giant dollar reduction. They stopped ripping us off, and it began as of four days ago. You can't cut something by more than 100%. In the history of our country, drugs have only gone up, but now they'll be going down by numbers never conceiving. possible. It's called Most Favored Nation. The new cost will be 600 percent. No president has ever had the courage or ability to get this done until now. The first of these

unprecedented price reductions will be available starting in January through a new website, TrumpRX.gov. And these big price cuts will greatly reduce the cost of health care. I'm also taking on the gigantic health insurance companies that have gotten rich on billions of dollars of money that should go directly to the people. The money should go to the people. That's you. So they can buy their own health insurance, which will give far better benefits at much lower cost.

It will be far better health insurance. The current Unaffordable Care Act was created to make insurance companies rich. It was bad health care at much to higher cost. And you see that now in the steep increase in premiums being demanded by the Democrats, and they are demanding the government. those increases and it's their fault.

It is not the Republicans' fault. It's the Democrats' fault. It's the unaffordable care act, and everybody knew it. Again, I want the money to go directly to the people so you can buy your own health care. You'll get much better health care at a much lower price. The only loses will be insurance companies that have gotten rich in the Democrat Party, which is totally controlled

by those same insurance companies. They will not be happy, but that's okay. with me because you the people are finally going to be getting great health care at a lower cost. Another major focus is the cost of energy. For years, the radical left Democrats exploited the green energy scam as an excuse to funnel many billions of dollars into their own massive slush funds as their energy restrictions drastically drove up prices and they drove them up at record levels. electricity costs surge 30 to 100% under Biden, and the typical family lost $5,000 to $10,000 in higher energy costs.

Think of that, $5,000 to $10,000 you lost. On day one, I declared a national energy emergency. Gasoline is now under $2.50 a gallon in much of the country. In some states, it, by the way, just hit $1.99 a gallon. And within the next 12 months, we will have opened 1,600 new electrical generating plants, a record, and it's a record that won't be beaten by practically, I would say by anybody, or certainly not very soon. Prices on electricity and everything else will fall dramatically.

The Democrat inflation disaster, again, the worst in the history of our country, also robbed millions of Americans of homeownership and indeed the American dream. the yearly cost of a typical new mortgage increased by $15,000 under Democrat rule. In 11 months, we've already gotten that annual cost down by $3,000, and it's coming down a lot lower. Wait a see the numbers are going to be shocking, and I'll soon announce our next chairman of the Federal Reserve, someone who believes in lower interest rates by a lot, and mortgage payments will be coming down even further early. the new year, and you will see this. In the new year, I will announce some of the most aggressive housing reform plans in American history. A major factor in driving up housing costs was the colossal

border invasion. We have never been invaded. This is the worst thing that, frankly, in my opinion, the worst thing that the Biden administration did to our country is the invasion at the border. The last administration and their allies in Congress brought in millions and millions of migrants and gave them taxpayer-funded housing while your rent and housing costs skyrocketed. Over 60% of growth in the rental market came from foreign migrants. At the same time, illegal aliens stole American jobs and flooded emergency rooms, getting free health care and education paid for by you, the American taxpayer. They also increased the cost of law enforcement by no.

numbers so high that they are not even to be mentioned. For the first time in 50 years, we are now seeing reverse migration as migrants go back home, leaving more housing and more jobs for Americans. In the year before my election, all net creation of jobs was going to foreign migrants. Since I took office, 100% of all net job creation has gone to American-born citizens. One 100%. In the end, government either serves the productive, patriotic hardworking American citizen or it serves those who break the laws, cheat the system, and seek power and profit at the expense of our nation. Look at Minnesota, where Somalians have taken over the economics of the state and have stolen billions and billions of dollars from Minnesota and indeed from the United

States of American. We're going to put an end to it. for so long as before my election, the vast majority of good and decent Americans were forced to watch as corrupt politicians plundered the halls of power, exploited our taxpayers, and pillaged every system that makes civilized society function. But not anymore, and you see that every day, not anymore. We're putting America first, and we are making America great again. Very simple. We are making America great again.

Tonight, after 11 months, our border is secure. Inflation is stopped. Wages are up. Prices are down. Our nation is strong. America is respected, and our country is back stronger than ever before. We're poised for an economic boom, the likes of which the world has never seen. Soon we will host the World Cup and the Olympics, both of which I got.

But most importantly, we will celebrate the 250th anniversary. of the declaration of independence, there could be no more fitting tribute to this epic milestone than to complete the comeback of America that began just one year ago. When the world looks at us next year, let them see a nation that is loyal to its citizens, faithful to its workers, confident to its identity, certain to its destiny, and the envy of the entire globe. we are respected again like we have never been respected before to each and every one of you have a merry christmas and a happy new year god bless you all so true well that was basically a

long-winded way of announcing the warrior dividend yeah i mean essentially uh i mean i'm i'm a little surprised i was expecting it to be about venezuela i knew it was not going to know just you thought it was going to be a glaze fest yeah self-glaze and then announced like something cool and so the warrior dividend. Yeah. I actually kind of agree with it personally. The Warrior dividend of $1,776 and 76 cents or something like that. I think that the reason he's doing it is because it's paying them from the tariffs that we've created. And the reason our tariffs are effective is because of our military force, the threat of our military force. The military has a lot to do with that. A lot of our way of life lies on the backs of those people. So I'm, especially the way that some of them had to

resign through the COVID, whatever you want to call it, experience, because they weren't getting vaccinated, they refused and they'd be discharged. So this is wonderful. I'm not even like, I don't want to go conquer the Earth or anything like that, but this is, that was a very nice thing to hear. Well, I think we all could probably agree that facts do matter. And I just quickly just wrote down all the lies. First of all, he said, quote, all prices are coming down. I just want to remind everybody that inflation has gone up for the fifth straight month in a roll. He bragged about job growth. Inflation is not prices, though. Inflation is different than prices. I understand that. But inflation has gone up five months in a row.

And by the way, all prices are not coming down. Just ask people that go to the grocery store. There are some, you know, eggs and some other things, but not all prices are coming down. Also, he bragged about the job growth. We had some of the worst private sector job growth. It has been abysmal. He talked about unemployment, which is incredible, because when Joe Biden left office, it was at 4.1%. It's now at 4.7%.

Isn't there the reason that the unemployment is higher is because a lot of the cuts that have been made to government. That's a part of it, but when you say that the unemployment numbers are at all-time high, all-time lows, it's a lie. And when he talks about peace in the Middle East, he said that, and then the next day, Hamas and Israel broke the ceasefire agreement. There is not peace in the Middle East. Hamas was going door-to-door executing people. I can kind of get behind that one. We finally saw the 3,000-year-old war. He said that there was peace in Gaza. There is not peace in Gaza. there's not peace in the Middle East. But that's not war with Israel anymore.

That's Gaza executing Palestinians. But when you say there is peace in the Middle East and when Israel breaks a ceasefire and Hamas breaks a ceasefire, that is not my definition of peace. When he keeps saying that. But again, I think that what you're talking about is a different thing. Hamas is killing Palestinians. That's not, I mean, unless you're making the argument that Hamas is actually having a war against Palestinians or war on their own people.

When somebody says there's peace in the Middle East. Again, if you're talking about Hamas killing Palestinians, that's not war. That's Hamas killing Palestinians. That's essentially the governing body because they've been elected in Gaza. But that's Hamas killing their own people. But my definition of peace in the Middle East would be not breaking a ceasefire, which Israel and Hamas did. There is not peace in Gaza, like he said. He also said, we're giving all these tax cuts, the biggest in American history.

Well, he mentioned the big and beautiful bill, and I mentioned, $100 billion in tax cuts this year to the top 1%. And he also said checks are on the way. Hmm, I remember Doge saying that we were all going to get $5,000 checks. Do you remember that when Trump was bragging about that? Did you guys ever get that check? I never got a $5,000 check from Doge, but I'm sure those checks are coming. And then he mentions health care.

Okay, so you're saying that that's not going to happen, but you can't really say that it's a lie if he's talking about something in the future. Well, I've named you a few lies, but now I'm going into some things that you said that. You said, you said let's list all his lies. You're saying that the future is going to be alive. I don't know that the checks are on their way or not. I believe that's a lie. I don't believe we're getting checks that are on the way.

Well, we're not getting. I'm not in the military, but he said that is going to military members. I understand. I just don't believe anything he says. Well, I mean, you know, he says, you could wrap it all up by just saying, well, everything was a lie. I want to pay, you know, you're going to be paying for your own health care. Can you tell us what that plan is?

How exactly are we going to be doing that? It's funny how he doesn't have a plan, right? He just says, everything's going to be great. You're going to pay for your own health care. Okay. Well, how are we going to go about in doing that? I thought that the Republicans... Well, generally, the president doesn't actually come out and say,

oh, here's the details of the plan when he makes an announcement like that. Well, he did say that in his first administration. Remember when he said the plan is coming in a month? The plan is coming in two weeks. The plan is coming in two months. Again, said that multiple times. There have been multiple presidents that would announce a program and then they wouldn't get into the details.

Right, but they didn't... That's pretty standard fair for the president. I don't think it's standard for a president to bitch and complain about a policy put forth by the Democrats in Obamacare and then not have a replacement plan in nine years. That is not a serious policy. maker and we all know that. The country is stronger than it's ever been before, he said. Talking about the military.

Okay, according to the military, maybe, but according to the parameters of where the economy is at and many other factors that it was talking about it in the context of the military. Okay. Well, I would also argue that there's a lot of people within the military and a lot of people that feel like they've committed war crimes with these boats that we can get into. That's not talking about whether or not the military is strong. And you're the one that's saying that this is a lie.

He didn't say the military is stronger than it's ever been. He said the country is stronger than it's ever. been. So when I hear a president say the country is stronger that it's ever been, I don't think he's just referring to our military. He's referring to, go ahead. The definition of the word strong. If we're going to break this one open, we'll be like, what did he mean and how is it, how accurate is it? And this is what Donald Trump always does when it comes to gas prices, for example. Any president could do this. He picks a few states in the country where gas prices are low, okay? And he makes it sound like the gas prices are $2.50 across the country. He specifically said, in

some places. It's not like he was saying, oh, they're just, the national average then. The national average is lower now than it was last year. I understand it is. But what he does is is he picks apart certain states to make it sound like everyone's doing hunky-dory great. Now, if you talk to the American people, most people in this country are not happy with the economy. They're not happy with the unemployment numbers. They're happy with lower gas prices. National average lower gas prices too. But if you ask in most polls and are you happy with what Donald Trump is doing when it comes to the economy? You were talking about gas prices. Specifically right there I was talking about how he picks apart a few states here and there and says the average

price in these states is $2.50. And the point that I'm trying to make is okay. If you want to give the national average out and take credit for that, fine. Even though I would, I would argue that, I don't think any president controls the gas prices. In fact, during Joe Biden's administration, if he doesn't control the gas prices, then why are you bringing it up? I'm bringing it up because he likes to pick apart certain states in the country where gas is $2.50, which I think is very disingenuous to the argument. They're just making an example. He's saying, well, this is an example of the good things that my administration is what Donald Trump does. All presidents do it, though.

Illegal immigrants. He was complaining about illegal immigrants going to the ER. Let me ask you guys a question in the big and beautiful bill, since he thinks that's a huge issue. In the big and beautiful bill, 20 million Americans are going to lose their Medicaid coverage. What's going to happen with those Americans lose their health care coverage? What do you think they're going to go? I'm trying to explain

it to you. Where do you think they're going to go when they get sick and they can't afford their medicine? Everyone goes to the ER when they get sick. Right. Exactly. So if you have 20 million Americans that are going to be losing their Medicaid coverage, I think we could agree a lot of those Americans that need insulin and other things. They're going to get sick. They're going to go to the ER.

Who pays for that? Do you go to the ER if you need to get insulin? Absolutely. So if you can't, and I'm a diabetic, so I can tell you this for sure. There have been times where I didn't have insulin on me or it got stolen or it got lost. The first thing that I do is go to a quick care or an ER and say, hey, I need insulin. My blood sugar is blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I know this from experience.

If people can't afford their insulin, they're going to get sick. But you're getting ins, if you have to take insulin, you have to take it every day multiple times a day, right? Absolutely. Absolutely. So, I mean, do you think they're just going to live at the ER? Do I think they're going to constantly? Do I think they're going to just here because it's where I can get insulin? I didn't say they're going to live at the ER, but what I did say is a lot of these people are going to get sick that desperately need their health care. And the American taxpayer is the one that's going to pay for it when they don't have health care.

The American taxpayer already pays for anyone that goes to the ER that doesn't have health care. I understand that. But when 20 million Americans are on Medicaid right now, many of those Americans are going to get sick. They're not going to be able to afford their medications. They're not going to be on health care coverage. And the American taxpayers the one that's going to have to pay for. The American taxpayers paying for Medicare. I understand that.

And this is also why this is also why this speech was directionally correct, because the main thing he was hitting on was the success of the tariffs and the success of his immigration policy, his deportation policy. And a good way to free up resources, obviously, with emergency rooms, is by removing people from the country that shouldn't have access to those. So do you think if you're an undocumented immigrant in this country and you're deathly ill that we shouldn't help you in an ER. You shouldn't get help.

No, you shouldn't be in the United States. No, but I'm just asking you in general. Obviously, we're not going to get rid of every undocumented immigrant that's here. Why not? I'm saying, I didn't, I didn't, no, that's why I said it's the best way to free up resources. You think if you're, if you're living here 20 or 30 years. If you're an illegal immigrant, you should be sent home. Again, you're arguing.

So no pathway to citizenship, even if you're someone who's a country or somebody else, if you're also, if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're serving in the military, you have a pathway to citizenship. First of all, second of all, if you're an illegal immigrant, you should be sent home, yes. So I disagree with you. I think there should be a pathway to citizenship, especially for those that are nonviolent criminals that have lived here for decades and paid taxes. That's my personal opinion.

So then we disagree about that. But, you know, going back to the Medicare stuff, yeah. But either, but like you said, either way, the American people are going to pay for it either, whether they're paying for Medicare or they're paying for them going to the emergency room. The American people are paying for it. So it's a mutant. It's not really important. He didn't bring up Venezuela.

He didn't bring up the boat strikes. He didn't really go into detail about any health care plan. And we know the Obama subsidies, which, by the way, correct me if I'm wrong, seven Republicans voted to extend the Obama subsidies. He didn't address that issue. The Democrats made them end this year. The Democrats voted in the bill that made them end this year. Okay. Mike Johnson announced yesterday that he did, they don't have a plan.

So if you don't have a plan. No, the Democrats had a plan to make them end. Right. Which is, so it's in the Democrats' ball. And the whole ACA is because of the Democrats. So the idea that this is somehow the Republicans fall. Now granted, the Republicans saying, hey, we're going to repeal and replace. They should have done something about it, but they haven't.

But even though that was the case, like, they're the ones that actually started with – started Obamacare, and it has been a disaster. And the fact that they haven't – they voted for this to end is on the Democrats as well. It is the duty of the president, in my personal opinion, when you are for nine years bitching about – It's the duty of Congress to pass bills. But Donald Trump is the guy in his first administration. that said time and time again, here's the plan. We're going to have a plan in two weeks. We're going to have a plan in a month. The point that I am trying to make is even if I disagree with the plan, show us what the plan is. Come up with some ideas. Mike Johnson said, we've been working really hard on a plan. What the F have you guys been doing for years? Okay, Donald Trump was in office first go-around. Where is his plan? That's all I had this debate with Tim Poole when I did his show a few months back. It's okay to disagree with a policy.

come up with solutions it's your duty to do so the republicans run the house in the senate come up with a plan well i mean he said that part of his plan now is to to to have direct payments i guess to the american people well let's see it i'm all four ideas well i mean if that's the case i mean like i said what i'm saying i'm not trying to be unreasonable here well like i said earlier that like it is very normal for a president to go to the people and say this is the idea that i have and then the plan that's what brockombole later yeah that's what i'm saying that's what don't know what don't Well, like I said, the Republicans should have, but this is something that the Democrats have voted for. Like, they wanted these subsidies to end.

That was a Democrat plan. The Democrats created the ACA in totality. The price of health care has done nothing but skyrocket since the ACA. And this is not the fault of the Republicans. This is something that the Democrats own. I believe it's the responsibility of the Republicans when you complain about policy and you are a policymaker to come up with some ideas or solutions that can replace it. It is the fault of the people that actually pass the bill. the ACA was passed by a super majority of them.

Come up with another bill. Give me another solution. You know I'd like to see. I don't like when people get chronically ill from eating toxic foods or like sugar. And then they go and they're like, now I have to pay tax money for them to get like ibuprofen or something when they could just be eating broccoli. And so I don't want to pay for chronic health care. I hate broccoli.

Of course, it's killing things in your body that are you're probably addicted to that you're telling yourself. Hold on. Let me refer to it. With cheese. With cheese. Give me a little salad dressing on there. some ranch. Yeah, with cheese. Broccoli with cheese is amazing. And so it's cauliflower. Look, at the end of the day, at the end of the day, this is a very

boilerplate kind of thing, right? Like he got up there and he talked about his policies that he wanted to see push forward in the future. He's talked about the things that he sees that he's done well. So I mean, I understand, you know, you're here to counter signal Donald Trump and you don't like Donald Trump at all and stuff. But there's a lot of people that are struggling. You would agree with me, right? There's people. There's always a lot of people that are struggling. He made it sound like everything is great. Well, he's that's that's how presidential address is. work. I mean, like, you know, Bill Clinton gets up and he's like, guys, we're doing terribly, actually. Like, you should probably vote me out. Like, that doesn't ever happen.

I understand that. But he, Joe Biden did the same thing when he, he would get up there and he would talk about how great things were. He made it sound like everything is phenomenal in the economy. And we're hot, he said, right? No, we're not. We're not. I wish we were, by the way. As much as I can't stand Donald Trump, I root for, not necessarily for him personally, but, but if the president succeeds, the country succeeds. You know, it's a pilot that crashed the plane. Right. I want the country to succeed. I just didn't hear anything in that speech that was specific as to what are you doing when it comes to health care. Give us a plan. Give us a policy. But again, the policy will come out from Congress. The policy is not going to be set forth by the president. I understand, but Democrats have said time and time again, and I agree that where is the plan? Come to the table with us. Try to bargain with us. Mike Johnson says, we're working on it. What does that mean we're working on it? What are you doing? You guys have been on vacation for two and a half months. What do you mean you're working on it?

What do you think? I mean, do you think that when the Democrats shut the government down for two months, the longest shutdown ever, do you think that was helpful? I just that was definitely not something that produced policy that was going to help the American people. I disagree with your characterization that it was a Democrat shutdown. I disagree with that, number one. And number two, you think it was a Republican shutdown? I think there's a lot of blame to foot for what took place. I am very disappointed. It was the Democrats that wouldn't vote for the bill.

I am very disappointed in the Democrats that voted for the big and beautiful bill, including Catherine Cortez. who actually... The big beautiful bill was in the summer. I'm talking about when they shut the government down. No, I understand that. But what I am talking about is the fact that there are Democrats that voted. And I believe that those Democrats are traitors, as far as I'm concerned. If they voted for the bill, you think they should have kept the government shut down longer?

I believe the Democrats cave. How does that solve the problem with health care? Because what they were doing is they were saying, look, we want to make sure that there is money to pay for immigrants' health care. I understand that. And that's not popular with American people at all. Well, it depends who you talk to, but I believe that if you're in this country and you're not a violent. The majority of Americans are not interested in paying for illegal immigrants' health care. Yeah, it's the contrary.

It's like the main part of the Trump agenda, the MAG agenda has been to remove. Is it legal for undocumented immigrants to go on Medicaid? In most Democrats states. You just said earlier that when an undomaccon, when an illegal immigrant gets sick, they go to the emergency. And that is something that is paid for by the government. I agree. Getting help in the ER when you're sick is one thing. But it is illegal, last I checked, for undocumented immigrants.

And Americans are not happy paying for that health care. It is illegal for undocumented immigrants to be on government assistance. Now, if they go to the ER, that is a different topic. And by the way, I think. No, it's still the same topic because they're getting health care of the American people are paying for. If someone is very ill and they go to the ER, I believe it is our duty to take care of me. That is my opinion. If you think of it as an invasion, then you're saying the American people should pay for their health care.

Let me explain. So if somebody is dying and they're undocumented, you don't think us. They shouldn't be here. That's the thing. Okay. That's a different. But hold on. If somebody is dying and they're here, okay, and they're dying, they're having a heart attack, let's just say.

That's not health care. That's an emergency. Okay. And you're talking about if they go. I'm talking about the ER right now. That's what we were. Did they go to the ER for everything, you said? And like, like, if someone's like, I don't think you go to the ER for everything.

If they get like shot, yes, you should treat them. But what we're saying is that they shouldn't be here in the first place. So this shouldn't even be a question we have to answer. Okay, but it is a question we have to answer because there are a lot of undocumented immigrants in this country. I agree. I agree. So that's why I think part of what relieves the pressure on our ER system is removing them from the country. Now, that's the solution.

I wish everybody came into this country legally. We know that a large sum of people that are in this country illegal are also those that overstayed their visas. They're not people that just crossed the border illegally. I can also tell you that I think it is despicable that you have ICE agents across the country. I've seen the videos of them that are not. some in some cases that are not identifying themselves. I also could tell you that they are breaking the law and Christy Noam looked like the fool that she is under oath when I think it was Dan Goldman who asked her, you know, if you are seeking asylum

and you filled out the proper paperwork and you're waiting on that, you are not considered an illegal. We should end asylum for a while. Okay, but they're deporting those people. That's all I'm trying to say. It's about illegal. It's about direction. Not if they, look, the asylum rules are very, very, very. specific. You go to the first country

where you're not being politically persecuted. The only place where people have a legitimate asylum claim are from Mexico or from Canada. Everyone else has an illegitimate asylum claim. They need to go back. If you're here and you're claiming asylum and you came in on a plane, go back. I don't care where you're from.

I'm just going by what the law says. The law says that the only legitimate asylum claims are Mexico and Canada. Every other country in the world, they should go. people that are seeking asylum from Mexico and that was the point that Goldman was trying to make to Chris. Not 20 million.

It doesn't matter whether it's 20 million or one. When they come to this country and they're seeking asylum from Mexico and they filled out the proper paperwork, it is illegal to deport them. What's the crisis in Mexico? They're like, country sucks. Is that like? You can give me your opinions on what the crisis is in Mexico, but it doesn't change the opinion.

I'm just wondering what is the crisis in Mexico. They are still considered seeking asylum seekers. And when they fill out the proper paperwork, you cannot be deported. That is just the law. Trump administration is breaking the law. Only if they're from. That we can deport everyone else that's not a Mexican asylum seeker. I didn't say that either.

If we're going by what the law says, then Canada and Mexico. I don't want this administration to break the law. Okay, that's important to me. I don't want them to be above the law and to do things that are illegal. It has been proven that that is exactly what they are doing. And it also says in our Constitution, last I checked, it says that not any citizen deserves due process or gets due process. Due process does not mean a court hearing.

But when you are seeking asylum and you've filled out the paperwork, these people are being tackled outside of these courtrooms, some of whom are from Mexico. Again, some of whom, but the vast majority, the vast majority are not from Mexico or not from Canada. And if you're here and you have asylum paperwork and you are not from Mexico or Canada, you need to go. I never said it was the vast majority. All I'm saying is I don't want the Trump administration breaking the loan.

And clearly they are, and that was proven when Christy Noem was under oath. I don't want to see them break the law. That's all. Again, when you have the vast number of illegal immigrants that we have, illegal asylum seekers, right? They came here and they lied or they have broken the law, right? Broken the rules. They need to be sent home. And now there is a ton of people here.

So there are going to be times where the government is wrong, where they make mistakes because of the numbers. but the vast majority are not here legally and they need to go. Well, this is a fundamental difference that I have with you guys is because obviously crossing the border illegally, being here illegally is a misdemeanor. Doesn't matter. I wish everybody, well, it matters if it's a misdemeanor or a felon. Of course that matters. No, no, it doesn't. If they're here illegally, they need to go.

I don't care what type of crime that we have, we have immigration laws. They're not particularly complex when it comes to asylum. if you're here from a country anywhere in South America, any other country in the world that's not Mexico or Canada, they need to go. Now, I will concede that there are going to be mistakes made because of the number of illegals here,

but the idea that we just have to say, well, because they might make mistakes, we can't deport anyone or we can't try to wrap up illegals, that's not going to happen. But the Trump administration did say that their focus was going to be on those that are violent criminals, which, by the way, I'm totally fine with it.

I think that's not enough. I think that if you're here, illegally at all, you need to go. So like what ballpark of illegal immigrants would you say are violent criminals? I don't know the answer to that. What I can tell you is that I don't appreciate the demonizing of many of these people in this country. While if they don't have the proper paperwork and they're illegal, I think a lot of these people

are decent human beings that want a better life for themselves and their family. In a perfect world, I wish everybody was legal. Okay. My question, I understand how you feel. My question was just a ballpark, probably like 10%, maybe? I don't know. I don't know. That's like a liberal estimate of 10%.

I don't know. Like 30 to 40% of those deported have been violent criminals. So that's an overrepresentation of the violent criminal proportion of legal immigrants. When I see some of these ICE agents, many of the videos that I've seen are not even identifying themselves, which is, by the way, illegal. If we're talking about rule of law, outside of courtrooms in front of home depots, it pains me to see that. It also pains me to see the country get completely robbed blind by legal. Like two things can be wrong here. And again, like to Phil's point.

the volume of illegals that are in the country, the volume of deportations that need to occur, it's not always going to be like perfect. It's not being clean. It's like what do you think mass deportations looks like? Obviously, we're not going to change each other's minds on this topic and we disagree. But I always hear from arguments for MAGA Republicans about how we need to respect the rule of law. And I laugh at that. I really do.

I laugh at it. By deporting illegals? No. It's not respecting the rule of law. Again, when we talk about rule of law, Donald Trump has ripped up parts of our constitution. Donald Trump is the guy who decided to pardon and call people patriots and hostages who beat police officers on January 6th. Okay, let's stay focused. This is like, this is Gish Galloping.

Let's stay focused on immigration. We got happily violated rule of law. Like, if law is evil, you want to violate it for the good of humanity. That's made apparent with the American Revolution. An evil law must be circumventive. He who saves this country breaks no law. To say obsessively, we must follow the law is disgraceful. You have to always have judgment and discern.

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Dave Bricken says, Brian Shapiro has the nerves who accuse other people of being conspiracy theorist when all he does is spew conspiracy theories. Name one. One of the worst debaters on the internet asking pointed questions that he wants to try and use against you. I would ask that person to name one conspiracy theory that I brought up. I notice how they call me a conspiracy. Like, I'll give you a conspiracy theory. The 2020 election was stolen and it was rigged.

See how I did that, sir? Give me a conspiracy theory that I brought up in this conversation. There's a difference between an opinion on a lot. a policy and a conspiracy theory. Yeah, I think that the... Sorry, Serge was just hanging over a funny chat that we're not going to say. No, that's okay.

You can say it. Is it insulting towards me? I'm totally okay with it. No, no, it's not... I'm fair to you. I'm fair game. You guys can put up anything you want. I'm not a victim year, okay?

Is it quids? No, okay, all right. I'm not curious what that was. Yeah, we'll tell you. Shane H. Wilder says, so Australian lawmakers are saying they want to enact stricter gun control. Bro, you already banned them. How stricter can you get effing retard? What a stupid. I'll tell you who the retard is. And I don't even like using that word.

Anyone who, first of all, they haven't had a mass shooting like this in 30 years. 800 times more mass shootings in this country than Australia. So this idiot has no idea what he's talking about. Well, the real retard is Tim Walts. Seriously retarded, according to the president. They actually had a mass shooting. They actually had a mass shooting in Australia. They had a mass shooting in Australia earlier this year. just so happened that no one died. Right. But the idea that he would,

someone would talk about gun control, you know, Australia's done a pretty damn good job when it comes to gun control and it's a horrible tragedy that's... You said that you're a fan of the Constitution. Would you say that we should just go ahead and expropriate people's property so that way they don't own guns anymore? There's not one Democrat in office.

I asked you. No, absolutely. That's absurd. First of all, I'm for the Second Amendment. I want people like you to be able to defend yourself and own a weapon. The problem I have is that Republicans refuse to do anything. I can give you four or five things that we can do that I think would help. I think, you know, would these things violate the Constitution? No, absolutely not.

So I understand driving a car is not a right. Owning a gun is a right. It's the worst thing you can bring up. No, but here's what I'm doing. Okay. I believe if you had a two-hour class, a basic class, even though it's your right, okay, learn how to shoot a gun, two hours. learn how to store a gun and just be safe. But you don't have to do any of that to own a car.

What do you mean? When you get your driver's license, you have an instructor. If you want to buy a car, you don't need a license. You don't need anything. It's illegal to drive a car without a driver's license. I didn't say drive a car. It's illegal to shoot people with your gun. It is not illegal for you to purchase a car and have a car.

It is not illegal for you to own a car. I'm talking about getting a driver's license. in order to drive and use a vehicle, they need to check your health, your eyesight, you have an instructor. So the idea that you have to, that you are going to use a gun, the only time you use a gun

is when your life is in danger. Otherwise, you can't use a gun because you'll end up violating someone else's right. Okay. What you can train, you know, are you saying you need you should have to have a license to discharge a firearm? What I am saying is if you are going to purchase a weapon

in this country, I believe that there should be some sort of mandatory one or two hour class so that they can teach you the basics. And I'll tell you why. If I'm in a supermarket or a mall or a casino and there's a, you know, a situation with someone with a weapon, if I know there's a good Samaritan there with a weapon, I'd like to know that they know how to use the gun. That might save my life. I understand it's a right. I'm not anti-Second Amendment.

I believe we should change the age from 18 to 21. I think certain red flag laws are very inconsistent in this country. I'm not saying that you should call up and say, hey, I don't like my neighbor. I'm going to lie and say, you threaten me, and then take all guns away. It's another argument I hear from the right. There's not one Democrat in office today that wants to take away all your guns. I've never heard one Democrats say that. No, they don't want to take away all your guns.

They just want to take away rifles. The metaphor between the guns and the cars is interesting. So the argument is you don't need a license to buy a car. You need a license to operate the car. Same with the gun. Now you're making the argument that maybe you should have to take a license to buy the gun. But this is where the metaphor fails. you don't need a license to buy a car.

So you shouldn't need a license to buy a gun in this metaphor, maybe to operate the gun? We can get into semantics, but I think you understand. That was why I said that a car and losing a gun are different. I think you understand the point that I was trying to make. I want to understand it. Listen, a mile from here, 60 people died. The biggest shooting in American history,

one of my friends was shot, and you had a deranged individual. We may never know the motive, just like we may never know the motive at Brown University. I hope we do. I hope they catch the son of a bitch that did that. but but you know this guy was able to buy thousands and thousands of rounds of ammunition just like you know in tex you should be a limit on how many rounds people can own i think i'm not i'm uncomfortable

with an 18 year old like what happened uh in uh i'm trying to remember the school there in texas so do you think that there should be a limit on how many people someone 21 should be allowed to own like no that's not what i'm saying no i just think that the age should be the age should be changed from 18 to 21 i've talked about red flagged should the voting age be changed from 18 to 20 I wouldn't have a problem with that. I think there's a lot of people that are 18, 19 years old that are not extremely informed. There's a lot of people that are my age that are probably extremely uninformed as well. And I'm sure a lot of the people that are watching this show would probably make that claim.

And that's okay. I think you've got to correlate gun ownership rights and all that with military service age. Listen, here's the bottom line. I don't want innocent people to die. We all agree on that. We're all nice people. We all agree on that, right? My problem is the same argument that I have with health care.

Let's come up with solutions. Republicans, Democrats, let's sit at the table. Let's try to compromise. Republicans and Democrats used to be able to compromise. There's no compromise anymore. Can we all agree? There's way too many, way too much gun violence in this country, whether it be suicide, mass shootings. There's way too much gun violence.

We need to do something about it, and I don't think more guns make it safer. We have 140 guns per 100 people in this country. We are a country that is obsessed with our guns. I'm not saying take everybody's rights away. I'm pro second amendment. I want people to be able to defend themselves. All I'm saying is can we come together and maybe do some things? How about mental health?

Let's try to not get hands in the hands of the wrong people. Now you're speaking in my language, man. I don't want to break Brad at the left. I want them to concede to us. Well, that's not how you get things done in Washington, D.C. Trump's getting it done. He's doing a good job. The problem with mental health stuff is you end up with people that have,

so PTSD, veterans that have had PTSD. They'll have their rights taken away. way you end up with people saying hey this guy that you know this guy was yelling at me or this guy hear this guy yelling and you'll end up with too many people that are having their rights taken away so i hear what you're saying and i was going to bring up red flag laws i do not believe let's just say for example a husband threatens his wife i'm going to kill you right obviously he would probably be arrested for a threat right you can't threaten somebody's life but then in some states in this country the next day he's a lot to legally purchase a gun now in some states that would be illegal

you're giving me the opposite into the spectrum and I agree with you if you have a neighbor that you don't like you shouldn't be allowed to call the police and say hey he threatened me and then they go over to his house and take his guns away those are two extremes what I'm saying is let's be consistent it's case by case basis let's meet somewhere in the middle I'm pretty sure if if someone has a spouse out there and they threatened your life you probably don't want that person to buy a gun the next day it has to be a case by case basis but some people will make the argument well he deserves his day in court okay but if you have somebody on a message saying they're going to kill you. No, there's deep fakes.

If you have, you could make a video. I actually have sorra.com. My avatar is on there. So if you at Ian Crosson make a movie of me doing something. And if it's me saying something that literally could get your rights, our rights are the most cherished aspect of this society. I understand that. But I also want consistency with red flag laws.

And by state by state, there are different rules that apply. All I'm simply saying is I want Democrats, and this comes with almost every issue, to be able to compromise. What I find despicable is after a mass shooting, and I talked to George Santos about this. I know you guys had him on.

He showed up the next day with an AR-15 pin. These are sick people. George admitted that that was a mistake. Okay, that's wrong. And it's wrong when Ted Cruz, after the shooting in Texas, says, geez, we should have locked that back door in that school, as if that would be a deterrent for somebody, an 18-year-old who just shot their grandmother in the face,

as if that would be some sort of deterrent. Now, I don't know what all the answers are. but I do want some solutions and more guns are not the answer. I'm sorry, it's not. I hear about a shooting. If I see a gun, it doesn't make me think of the, like, I'm not afraid of the gun part of the story. I'm afraid of why did that guy go and do that? Well, there's a lot of reasons, right?

I concur. Mental illness is obviously a big issue, depression. And then there's just evil people in the world. The guy who killed 60 people here, by the way, I was supposed to be at that concert. Instead, I went to a Vegas Golden Knights preseason game, and it probably saved my life. and I know a person who was shot in the lower back. We still don't know a motive. We never will.

Sometimes people are evil. And people don't realize that. We got to move on. So we got one from, yeah, but Trump, 89, 14. One, it definitely said Ben Shapiro in the show title. I don't think that's true. Is that true? I don't think so.

Your thoughts don't care about your feelings. Two, it would have been more entertaining if true. Three, put this dude back in the rabbit hole he crawled out of. Thank you for your attention to this Mac. Be nice to me. me guys. What did I do wrong? Yeah, stop dogging on tape. You know, unfortunately, there are some people on the left and the right that are not

willing to have these conversations and they don't want debate and they don't want disagreement. Oh, you know what? It's right. They did call me Ben Shapiro. That was an error. That was an error. They're probably like, man, Ben evolved on his politics about what's going on? Ben's really flipped, hasn't he? He's got a lot taller. He's far more handsome now than he he really is never dropped. He's not going to know. He's far more handsome. I'm not wearing a yarmika though. His hat got a little bigger.

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I like it. Can't kill a boboos. That's right. So yeah. Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you very much. That's what I'm saying, these Timcast fans, what is their fertility rate?

I mean, they're popping up and higher. Every day. It's looking like mallee. It's great. They just watch the show and then they just get it on, right? Yeah. Likely, while the show's on, probably. Sorry, ladies, tonight's going to get a little wacky.

Turn the volume down. I think Tim's Beanie gets people high and bother. I think that's what, hey, let's see. I'm a bird. Mouse says, all testimony said Trump broke no laws. He unfriended Epstein when the scandal started. The flights were domestic, the flights were domestic, never to the Island, quit intentionally ignoring context clown. You have nothing. I have nothing. So if there's

nothing, then why won't he release the files? Well, I mean, that doesn't really work. If there's nothing, then why is, then why is Maxwell being treated the way she is? If there's nothing, then why did Epstein on tape said that Donald Trump was once his best friend? Why was Epstein taking young girls from Mar-a-Lago? And apparently Donald Trump even admitted that and said, yeah, that's why our friendship ended. So if anyone out there is complicit enough, like that fool to say that there's nothing there, you know, it's a nothing burger. If all of the evidence says that he didn't do anything and all testimony said that he didn't what testimony?

What testimony? What testimony is he talking about? There were testimonies from the women that had seen Donald Trump with Epstein's updates. I never said that he broke the law. They said that he didn't do anything. Okay. Well, I'm released the files. Well, the point that I'm making is if the testimony says that he didn't do anything,

why is there the, why is there such scrutiny? Why are you like, oh, no, I'm sure that he did. The files get released like every like world leader throughout histories on it. And they're like, oh, we forgot to shred the file. I am just now repeating what almost every MAGA supporter was repeating months before the election. Release the files. Do what Pam Bondi promised she was going to do. It's very simple.

Release the naughty list. We want to see the naughty list. Who's getting cold this Christmas? I don't think sleeping a child is considered naughty. I think it's, you know. Well, okay. So now you're implying that Donald Trump has done something. You said that.

Again, that's not. No. You keep saying. There are. I don't know. I don't know. I believe. No.

I wasn't referring. No, that's wrong. You're mischaracter. I wasn't referring to Donald Trump. Yes, you are. No, I never said Donald Trump rape kids. What I am saying is that I guarantee you there are names in there that have raped children.

And that needs to get, you need to give justice to the victims. I never said Donald Trump raped anybody. Now he is a liable sexual abuser. But I never said, I never said he raped a child. What I am saying is release the files. I want people brought to justice. for the victims. That doesn't mean Donald Trump raped anybody, but I want justice. Is that bad? Well, on the surface, it looks good, but there might be other things behind the scenes that we don't

understand about global order and how things can... Well, I don't care about global order. I care about for the victims. I want them to get justice. We got a, we got a, we got one from plague Doctor 84 here. Dems had four years to destroy the files and add fake info. Maxwell favored to put together missing pieces. No Trump implication. Peaky grinder boy is a low IQ propaganda guzzled. I'm shocked. I'm shocked that that that somebody would use homophobic slurs. Sir, if my fetish was for a middle-aged white dude who's a big Tim pool supporter, which by the way, I don't have a problem with. If my fetish was somebody like you, sir, who's probably sitting there with your chips and probably suffer from Trump fallatio syndrome, then maybe I would go out with

you, sir, but I'm not a Trump mushroom gobbler like you. So go back to your gobbling and have a nice day. You wish I was into somebody like you. You probably pleasure yourself to me every night before you go to Methos 671 says I'd rather listen to Hamas Piker than this spiteful leprechaun. A lepracon. Wow. Wow. A lepracon. I can do these all day.

I could do these all day. So comparing people that behead babies to somebody like me because you don't like my political opinions makes you a complete dick. Did you just make the allegation that Hassan Piker beheaded a baby? Were you sorry? I thought he said Hamas. Oh, I thought he was about the Irish. He said, Hamas Paiker.

But it was, okay. Yeah. Yeah. I don't bad baby, sir. And I'm sorry, sorry to disappoint you. Sorry if you don't like my political opinions, but that was a very intelligent statement. How much did you have to pay for that statement? As much as he wanted, but I don't know what I think it was in Shekels?

What's going on here? Maybe it was. I don't know. It is Hanukkah. It is Hanukkah. All right. By the way, Myron Gaines called me a dradal spinner. That was very funny.

I would admit that. That was a funny comment. That was funny. I give credit where credit is due. That was good. Keep moving in there, Serge. Let's see. Rogue kill shot says,

Obama murdered a 16-year-old American from Colorado. Yeah, there you go. Barack Obama's a murderer and you're going to be the next president. So true. Wait, wait, but he did. He did. Was that proven in a court of law? He did.

I mean, they admitted to it. They admitted that they, that they fired a hell fire missile. Yeah, so there's a difference. There's a difference between murdering somebody and then people that are killed in acts of war trying to take out terrorists. There was a fine line difference between cold blooded. Like, for example. At the wedding.

For example, what, what happened, why am I forgetting his name now? the actor who was just murdered. Oh, how could I forget his name? The late Rob Reiner. That was murder. I think we all could agree on that. What Barack Obama did is not considered murder.

There are horrible atrocities that happen when you're trying to go after some very bad people. It happens in every presidency. That's not murder, bud. All right. We got one more. Andrew Star 8062 says, starts losing argument immediately goes to, I don't understand why Republicans are obsessed with every single time.

These people are brainwashed. I'm brainwashed. Well, again, not being specific on anything and just making a generalized statement that I am brainwashed. I think the problem is, is you have to get out of your right-wing echo chamber bubble. I appreciate these guys for willing to have conversations with people that they disagree with. But go back to listening to your Mark Levin and maybe go listen to Candace Owens. And listen to the Tim Cool, Tim Pool Daily Noon Live show as well. I'm sorry to show a quick.

My bad. All right. Smash the like button. Share the show with everyone, you know. Get into the Discord. Become a member at Timcast.com. Like I said, get into Discord. there is someone in the Discord waiting for you.

Brian, she's there. Thank you for joining us. This was a lot of fun. I appreciate it. Tell everybody where they can find you. Yeah, I appreciate that. At PTL Radio Show is my YouTube page.

The Brian Shapiro is my website. And my Facebook page, I actually just started about a month ago. I got about 35,000 subs on there. Not as much as some of you guys have or what Tim Poole has, but we just got started. And I want to repeat this once again. And I get a lot of crap for saying this. But you guys have always treated me good here on the show, and I really do appreciate that. And I love the fact that you guys are willing to have these conversations.

I think there are too many people out there in their echo chamber, left or right. So I want to thank you guys and everybody with this show. I'm sorry that Tim dodged me today, but hopefully Tim is winning money at the poker tables. I'm thinking about you right now. I really do. In all serious, I really do appreciate you guys for having these conversations. I think it's really important. We appreciate you.

I'm exhilarated that there are people, well, that you find it as awesome as I do. This is the healing medicine that we need as a species. I like Tim, by the way. I've said that, you know, it's sad. I said it on the show, on my show. I said, listen, first of all, what happened to Tim with the shooting at his house is awful. I was one of the first people to text him. And I'm like, dude, I hope you're okay.

This is effing terrible. And the hate I got. He made it up. He's a liar. I'm like, dude, what the hell is wrong with you? The man has a daughter and a wife. I am not that person. Okay.

And I think we're just at a sick time in this country right now. Yeah? We're at a sick time. People thought people, you wouldn't believe the messages I got. I say, I think Tim Poole's a really nice guy. I disagree with him on some stuff. You wouldn't believe the hate I get for that. I think a lot of us are kind of thrust into this.

Like Thomas Jefferson was the same way. He would have wanted to be an artist. But he said, because the world was what it was, he had no choice but to get into politics. And here we are. So I'm at Ian Crossland. You can follow me at Ian Crossland. Check out graphene. Dot movie, the website.

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