Timcast IRL - Daniel Penny Manslaughter DISMISSED, SCHEME To FORCE Secondary Verdict w/Wayne Dupree
Episode Date: December 7, 2024Tim, Phil, & Brett are joined by Wayne Dupree to discuss the jury being deadlocked in the Daniel Penny case, the manhunt still underway for the assassin of the UnitedHealthcare CEO, Nick Fuentes charg...ed with battery, and Sarah Silverman saying she's become less political because no one wants to hear from celebrities. Wayne Dupree is a conservative political commentator, podcast host, and writer known for his outspoken views on U.S. politics and social issues. Hosts: Tim @Timcast (everywhere) Phil @PhilThatRemains (X) Brett @PopCultureCrisis (YouTube) Serge @SergeDotCom (everywhere) Guest: Wayne Dupree @TheDupreeReport (X) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Daniel Penny's jury deadlocked.
Well, the jury comes back out a second time saying deadlocked.
And in what is I'm hearing the craziest scheme we've seen in a long time, the prosecutors
moved then to drop the first charge, manslaughter,
which would instead of granting a mistrial, what the defense is asking for now, it would allow
the jury to go back and consider the secondary lesser charges. And many people are describing
this as a scheme from the prosecutors to subvert the rule of law, because the way it's supposed
to go is if you can't find him guilty of the first one, then it's it. You're done. It's a deadlocked jury mistrial, whatever. Maybe it
doesn't come back up. Maybe it does. Maybe the prosecution says, look, we tried. We're not going
to do this again. It's seeming now, as Mike Cernovich describes, lawless, that this D.A.,
a Soros prosecutor, many people are saying, is just trying to squeeze out some way to trick to to convince the jury to find Daniel Penny guilty.
So we're going to break this down. Admittedly, it gets into legal territory. I don't know. I mean,
I'm not familiar with this precedent and this move, but I'm seeing all these lawyers losing
their minds and the press is talking about. We'll talk about that stuff. And then we also
have more developments on the assassination of the United Health CEO. They found the backpack,
apparently.
So we'll talk about that and what that means.
Information on what they've learned so far about the shooter.
And then, my friends, Nick Fuentes has been arrested.
I actually disagree with this.
But we'll talk about what happened and we'll get into all that.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this
and so much more is Wayne Dupree.
What's up? What's going on?
Hey, I mean, look. We're hanging out.
Let me tell you something. There's nothing like being down in
God's country. I mean, Westford,
I mean, awesome, awesome,
beautiful place. Beautiful place.
Absolutely. Well, introduce yourself. What do you do?
A little of this,
a little of that.
I'm a son of a sharecropper. No, I'm kidding.
I was born on the eastern shore of Maryland. I've been doing this since Tea Party days. And, you know, it's from that to where we are right now, I've seen so much change.
Some good, some bad. But, you know, I've seen a lot of things that happen.
So, you know, I'm here for it, you know?
Right on.
Well, thanks for hanging out.
It should be fun.
We got Brett hanging out.
Yes, indeed, you guys.
Brett's here.
I am normally host of Pop Culture Crisis Monday through Friday, 3 p.m. Eastern today.
In fact, Phil was on with us today.
I was. I was. And we were talking about how fact, Phil was on with us today. I was.
I was.
And we were talking about how awkward the intro always is.
That's what I was saying earlier.
You're the one that thinks it's interesting.
Yeah.
No, I said, like, when we do our show, we have a standard intro.
So, you know, it's very, very formulaic, and I get to ease into the conversation really,
really quickly.
Here, I'm always like, now we're going.
It's only because you're not here every night.
Exactly.
My name is Phil Labonte.
I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.
I am an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.
Let's go.
So I have one more announcement for all of you.
As you know, I mentioned last night that we had some positive updates for you.
I can now say, and we have this, I've tweeted it out.
In the lawsuit between iTim Pool and the Kamala Harris campaign. This lawsuit has been
resolved to my satisfaction. So thank you to everybody. And the tweet in question no longer
exists. I will leave it at that. But I will just say once again, it's been resolved to my
satisfaction. And I really do appreciate everybody's support. And OK, let's jump into this story here from ABC News.
Manslaughter charge dismissed in Daniel Penny trial jury to consider negligent homicide charge.
Now, this is interesting. To better understand, we have this tweet from Greg Price.
He says what Daphne Yoran is doing to Daniel Penny is nuts and absolutely illegal.
She moved to dismiss count one manslaughter because count two criminally criminal
negligent homicide could not be considered if there was a verdict. They're bending the law to
try and squeeze a guilty verdict for somebody who saved people on a train. We have this transcript.
A.D.A. Uran says, don't tell them it's an acquittal on count one, only that it's dismissed.
Penny's lawyer, Kenneth, says this has never been done before. It would encourage prosecutors to overcharge in the grand jury with the option
of withdrawing if hung under coercion. Judge Wiley says, I'll take a chance and grant the
people's application. I'm going to let them go to return and consider count two on Monday.
Bring them in. Judge says manslaughter in second degree is dismissed. You are free to consider
count two on Monday. Judge Wiley says, I'll take a chance and grant the people's application.
Oh, I'm sorry.
It's just a repeat twice.
And then we have the next image here.
This is the verdict sheet.
And it says count one manslaughter in the second degree.
If you find the defendant guilty of count one manslaughter in the second degree, then
do not consider and do not render a verdict on count two criminally negligent homicide. If you find the defendant not guilty of count one manslaughter in the second degree, then do not consider and do not render a verdict on count two, criminally negligent homicide. If you find the defendant not guilty of count one, manslaughter in the second
degree, for the reason that the people have failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the
defendant was not justified, then you must not consider count two, criminally negligent homicide,
and you must also find the defendant not guilty. If you find the defendant not guilty on count one,
manslaughter in second degree, for some reason other than a lack of justification, then proceed to consider and render a verdict on count two criminally negligent homicide.
So the gist of the story is without a verdict at all, they're deadlocked.
This should be a mistrial.
And so right now we have this in the Daily Mail.
Daniel Penny's lawyers blast desperate prosecutors for rare jury requests and bully tactics.
They're looking for a mistrial on this.
And look, guys, I was saying from the get go when the jury was taking a long time that this was not
a good sign. Some people are like, no, it's a good sign. It means they're no. It means that
it could be one person. It could be 11 people. They want this man in prison and they're not
moving until he goes. And now the judge is basically saying, can we figure out a way to
get him in prison regardless, even though the jury can't
agree?
That's that New York justice.
Somebody's got to go down.
I don't care.
Not only that, but they need
to make an example out of
this guy.
Somehow, some way.
So when I
had been
in the military myself, what he did was a huge selfless thing to save a lot of people.
And then that should be taken into account. It's not. And when you probably have a whole lot of witnesses that want to testify on his behalf, you have to wonder, OK, so are they quieting these people?
You know, you know what? What's the motive? Where's the money coming from to really put this guy away?
And remember, this is all going on while people are cheering the murder of ceo of a company right now yeah that the right now the
left in the u.s is it's like topsy-turvy of what is good and positive you have a society that has
you know problems just like any other society but the left wants to see the bad guys being taken
care of and treated as if they're not bad guys and they want to see the good
guys punished now I don't think that actually applies to the to the CEO but
the idea that he should die for being a you know because he's a CEO of a
business that's abhorrent right right? The people that are celebrating
the murder of a man that had a family, the people that are saying we need more of this,
that is absolutely going to make society worse. That doesn't make society better. It doesn't make
people feel more comfortable living in society it makes people
more apprehensive it makes people want more government it makes people want more police
and this is the exact opposite of what the left says they say they say things like
abolish the police or defund the police well if you have people that are acting as vigilantes
then the rest of society is going to say more police.
Like I was saying the other night, if you have a society that is a high trust society,
then you need less government. If you have a society that is a low trust society,
then you're going to end up getting more government. And that's not going to make
people on the left or the right happy because most people are like, I to be free there's that story we bring up quite a bit about that
woman on the train in philly yeah he got raped and everybody's watched and i'm like that's why
yeah yo the fact look the fact that this is a deadlocked jury and we're here at all it does
not matter at this point in my opinion if, if Daniel Penny wins. Because the process
is the punishment.
We're hoping that Daniel Penny...
His life will never be the same again.
His life will never be the same, but even
if he got a quick
not guilty
verdict right away,
that's good, and then a lot of people
will be like, oh, okay, you'll be found not guilty.
Short of that, the message sent to the average person people will be like, oh, okay, you'll be found not guilty. Short of that,
the message sent to the average person is,
if you try to help people,
this is what your life will be.
Well, there was this video that was viral last year
where a bunch of people are in a market,
or they're in an outdoor restaurant, right?
And a guy comes up out of nowhere
and he attacks a woman who's at a table
and a guy is with a girl at a table next to them and he doesn't do anything about it.
And the question was,
what was this guy supposed to do?
Should he have intervened?
And everybody had their opinions on that.
And in that video,
he kind of,
he like pushes his girlfriend out of the way,
but then he doesn't do anything to help.
He just kind of skirts out of frame.
And the decision,
the talk became
about pragmatism versus what's your duty as a man in this situation is it your duty to intervene
and help this person and the vast majority you know you know devoid of whatever your opinion
is on it the vast majority of the response on twitter at the time was that it is too risky
i have a family at home it is not my responsibility and whatever you feel on that that is too risky. I have a family at home. It is not my responsibility.
And whatever you feel on that,
that is the public sentiment right now
from those who are paying attention to the legal system.
That makes society worse.
But you know, when I was growing up,
it was, you know, the community looked after each other.
You know, you could leave your front door open.
You know, everybody in the community knew each other.
The parents knew, the kids, the kids knew what they couldn't do beyond that.
But if somebody was to start a little fight or something like that, the parents would run out.
You know you're not supposed to do that.
You know you're supposed to.
Okay.
But where we are now with these cameras, with these phones and stuff like that, you put this thing up on TikTok, you put this thing up on YouTube, you put this thing up on Twitter, and you're trying to make money.
Yeah.
You're trying to make money and where somebody's getting their butt whipped or just totally annihilated, I mean, these, uh, these, uh, knockout, uh, yeah.
In New York. That's when a whole lot of this stuff really started because these people are
getting this stuff on cameras, phones, or even in this situation, it's a matter of just how
dishonest the person who recorded the video. It tends to be because where does the video start?
When does the video pick up? Was this person being belligerent before you know if we're talking in this situation where you put someone in a
headlock and you take them down does the video show the person being belligerent beforehand
that shows him intervening to protect people around him or does the video just start with
someone with a dude in a headlock who looks like he just got on a train or got on a bus and started attacking someone but i mean the the whole you
know this thing going on with with daniel penny like i forget the guy jordan neely he was mentally
ill and he was threatening people the other people on the train said that he was threatening people
you don't have to wait until you're attacked,
like someone actually physically attacks you,
to do something.
Like, if that is the case,
then you might have to wait
until you actually get stabbed or get shot.
Well, that's the Gulag Archipelago famous passage.
Yeah.
Where in the Soviet Union,
there's a soldier, he's on trial for murder.
A guy was trying to stab him. He grabbed the knife, fought back, and stabbed the Soviet Union, there's a soldier, he's on trial for murder. A guy was trying to stab him.
He grabbed the knife, fought back, and stabbed the other guy,
and they said, why did you do that?
And he was like, he was going to kill me, and he was like,
why didn't you run away?
You go to prison.
And that is the generalically against the people that are doing the normal day-to-day things, defending themselves or whatever.
You have a sympathy for the criminal that It borders on, you know, psychotic.
And taken to its logical conclusion for them,
that's when you get into the argument about,
well, why did you have to defend yourself in your own home?
Why would you shoot somebody?
All he wanted was your TV.
All he wanted was the stuff in your safe.
Well, the stuff in your safe is the sum product
of everything that you've worked for,
which is an extension of who you are,
and to them that doesn't matter.
But you've got to understand their point of view, right?
Because I've talked about this when it came to Castle Doctrine in New Jersey.
And what I was told by the cops was, in New Jersey, if someone breaks into your house,
you are required to flee if possible.
And my response, yes, that's New Jersey.
And I said, flee where?
And they were like, what do you mean, flee where?
And I'm like, it's my house.
Where do I go? And they were like, tell you mean flee where and i'm like it's my house where do i go
and they were like tell that to a judge and a jury and what they're going to say is you have
just confessed you would rather kill a man than stand outside but you know what you said you uh
you blame well you kind of said leftist but it isn't that just a culture period? In what way? Like, what do you mean? These days, because on these, like in Baltimore, I'm sure everybody that rides on the bus is not a leftist.
You mean it's just, it's the culture in general, which is just basic modern liberalism.
Leave it alone.
Yeah.
You know, just leave it alone.
It's not bothering me.
Just leave it alone.
Yeah.
That's not because of leftism.
That's because they know the consequences of leftists being in positions of authority like if you're just like i don't want to get involved
because i don't want to deal with the repercussions right like if you're if you live in and granted
there is an amount of repercussions meaning meaning you could be you could be jury or them
getting beat up for it could be it could be getting hurt but it also could be a jury or them getting beat up for being in it.
It could be getting hurt, but it also could be like if you live in New Jersey and you're in a like if you can't defend yourself in your home,
you clearly aren't going to be in a situation where if you try to defend someone else in like in public, you're going to get you're done.
You can't even have a weapon.
Yeah.
Like let's not even talk about the idea of trying
to protect somebody yeah you can't even stand there with the right to keep in bare arms they'll
put you in prison well i mean i had a friend years ago in baltimore uh he was walking uh downtown
uh in lexington market and three kids come out like give me your wallet and he was like man get out of here and
they kept jumping on look give me your wallet give me your wallet so they start hitting him now he
said hey i could take these three kids ain't nothing but just as soon as those three kids
got him down on the ground another 20 come around and bop bop b, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop. So, but, you know, you're saying, well, is that the culture or is that just?
It's a result of the people in positions of power and probably to some extent the families that they're raised in. if you've got police and government that are going to say look man this this guy got killed
because this other guy he attacked this other guy and this other guy defended himself and they just
and you let the other guy go home then that's going to deter people attacking like to a certain
degree police deter people from attacking other people. The possibility of someone defending themselves
because criminals don't want to find someone
that is an equal match.
Criminals want to find someone that is easy.
They're not that stupid.
You know, yeah, that's exactly right.
Like I've gone to a lot of like self-defense classes
and stuff like that,
not like hand-to-hand combat stuff, but, self-defense classes and stuff like that. Not, like, hand-to-hand combat stuff, but, like, self-defense.
And it's like, look, if you make yourself look like you're not an easy target, they will select someone else.
Right?
Like, if you look like you're an easy target, then they're going to select someone else.
And I've talked to, you know, I've talked to girls that I dated and stuff.
Like, if anyone ever comes and grabs you, make a bunch of noise.
Like, if they're trying to put you in a car, make them do whatever they're going to do at the first location don't ever go
to crime scene two because then you're going with them to where they have where they're comfortable
where they have control of the the the the surrounding the the environment make a bunch
of noise if you make it difficult for them a lot of times criminals will be like i'm out of here
now that's not perfect
It's not saying that every time that someone tries to attack someone if they just make a bunch of noise or fight back
Then it's not gonna be a problem. But if you look like you're an easy target then you're inviting criminals
It's the same same principle as like peace through strength on an international level if you look like you're weak
Other countries are going to be like well well, we can, you know,
push these people around. Have you ever seen the videos?
There's like whole
collections of videos of like
street cameras that catch women almost
being thrown into cars at the Texas border.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's insane. And the ones that get away are the
ones who make the most noise, who make the most
scene and are able to pull away and
run as fast as possible.
But a lot of times, you know, it's late at night,
somebody's been out drinking,
and you make yourself an easy target,
and that's what it is.
Yeah, and the best advice you can give to people is,
first of all, don't go to stupid places, right?
Don't go to stupid places with stupid people.
I learned that a long time ago.
This is even, like, in Austin.
Yes.
There was one crazy viral story of a woman.
She said that she was drinking with her boyfriend and his brothers,
and when they walked out of the bar, she was texting,
and they were 10 feet in front of her when a car pulled up and grabbed her,
and she screamed.
And as they're trying to throw her into the car,
the guys run over and grab the door, fight with the guys, grab her,
and the car starts peeling away, and they pull her out of the car.
And they were like, she was 10 feet behind her texting on the phone,
and they tried to snatch her off the street in Austin.
I mean, like, personally, I'm not a big fan of major cities nowadays.
I avoid going to major cities if I can.
But, yeah, it's like it's not safe to be alone,
and these things can happen.
But the more that you have a society that will stand and watch, or if you're in a place where it's more likely that someone will pull out their phone and record it as opposed to actually help, that makes it more likely that crime will happen.
You know, it makes it more likely that criminals will take advantage of that, of those conditions.
Will Chamberlain says what's happened to Daniel Penny isn't justice.
Prosecutors successfully dismissed a count that the jury hung on to try and squeeze out a guilty verdict on count two.
Justice wouldn't merely be an acquittal.
It will require Penny to prevail in a civil lawsuit against those who persecuted him for clearly lawful conduct,
which means if he's going to actually win this, it's going to be three, four, five years.
And again, the point that I was making earlier is that's it. The moment the deadlock jury was told, don't worry, you can continue, was the moment the message was sent loud and clear to
everybody in New York. Don't you dare be in any way, try and intervene or do anything.
And cops aren't going to do it either.
No.
Luke, Luke Rutkowski has got this, uh, one of his more viral videos.
There was a dude on the train.
Some guys started stabbing people and the cops stood there and watched.
And the guy fought the grass, stopped the stabber, got stabbed several times.
And then the cops were like,
we don't have any obligation to save anybody.
Yeah, I learned that a long time ago. I had a policeman
talking to a couple of policemen
and they were like,
you know, we're here to protect and serve,
but we really don't have to stop a fight.
We'll wait till it gets finished. We don't have to stop it fight. We'll wait till it gets finished.
We don't have to stop it.
There's nothing that's coming down.
No, they're going to file the paperwork after the fact,
and then, you know, good luck.
Let's jump to the story, though, from the Daily Mail.
Brian Thompson manhunt live.
Cops find a key item in Central Park
in search of the UnitedHealthcare CEO's killer.
So apparently, I've been hearing that they found the backpack. They say they've also obtained a DNA swab from a
water bottle possibly dropped by the killer who has not yet been identified. They say at the time
of the killing, Thompson and his estranged wife, Paulette, had been living in separate homes. So
this is crazy. Investigators have found a backpack in Central Park they believe may be linked to
UnitedHealthcare CEO killer, an NYPD spokesperson told CNN.
So here's what I think.
You know, look, we're obviously tracking the details.
A lot of speculation as to whether or not they're going to find this person.
It sounds like from the corporate news, this guy may be the killer.
And what they're saying is the reason why it's different clothing and it looks very
different is that they think this is the guy prior to that day where he changed his clothes.
And I don't know what the rumor was, something like he may have been flirting, so he pulled his mask down or something like this.
Is that what you heard?
Yeah.
He was flirting, so he took the mask off.
So the jacket is different?
It's lusted because of the thirst.
The thirst.
I just assumed it was like different camera different color temperature
and that's what i thought at first but it's clearly a different jacket when you look at
the structure of the of the the thickness looks like michael fassbender in assassin's creed
when i heard or when i heard the flirting when i heard the flirting i was like okay you got
earl flynn now yeah look look we were just talking about daniel penny and uh you know
these these big these billionaires and these CEOs were all
backing the Democrats.
You got the CEO just got gunned down.
You've got all of these leftists celebrating it and calling for more.
And I'm like, is that the world they wanted to live in?
Because now they're living in it.
And the rest of us just left the cities.
I mean, this might be the best example of it actually directly affecting them specifically.
But if the idea here is that they're going to back a candidate, say, who's going to be pro-abortion,
where now what they have to do for a lot of times is like, look, we will pay for you to go get an
abortion in another city rather than have you take maternity leave. They're going to operate
in the best interest of the company until it starts affecting them directly, which is exactly
what the leftists on Twitter are so excited about right now,
which is why they're rejoicing about it.
It's disgusting.
You know what?
I was reading earlier this morning about CBS.
CBS, because of this, they've started taking down the exec pictures
and stuff from off the wall.
Oh, yeah, that was crazy.
I was like, wow.
What was it?
Taylor Lorenz posted the picture of the –
Of the CEO of Blue Cross.
Yeah.
Yeah, and then a bunch of these companies have taken down all the bios for their executive
leadership.
That is, look, that is Taylor Lorenz's doing.
She engaged in veiled terrorism, and they all responded.
And she doubled down on it.
Yeah, Blue Cross reversed a policy, and then all these big companies are now taking their
photos and bios down from websites and deleting the pages.
Yep.
This is crazy.
So here's what I think you all need to consider.
Do you think that these CEOs, these executives, saw the news and went, oh, geez, and then called and said, take those pages down?
Or do you think these CEOs who contract some of the biggest security firms in the world, got on the phone and said,
what is this about? What do you think? And the security firm said, this is a targeted political
hit. So I'll just say this. Having security, my understanding of this is we don't make moves
without consulting security because that's why we pay them.
So, you know, we've peel boxes and things like this.
When they come to us and they tell us, like, here's the assessment, here's what we consider, we do it.
So, for instance, when we were getting swatted in bomb threats, often the show would go on and we'd be like, oh, we were swatted earlier, but you didn't see it because security takes care of these things.
But there was that one day where we evacuated the building for three hours. My point is, their security companies believe there is a strong enough possibility that this is a politically motivated assassination. That's why they took action. And wouldn't reversing policy
and acquiescing actually make it worse? Well, I don't know. I can't make a decision about
make it worse or not. But I don't think they make any move without consulting lawyers and security.
And so they probably go to the security company and say, what is the chance that this is targeting CEOs of healthcare companies or is it anything else?
The fact that they actually paid the money to remove this information, because not like it's the most expensive thing in the world, but the bigger the company, the more expensive it's going to be.
They probably had to call a dev team and say,
we need this taken down, get it done.
And then it doesn't cost that much
for a company this big.
But it certainly means that they put in effort.
They must believe there's a reasonable possibility
this is politically motivated.
I wonder if the security companies actually were like,
hey, like reached out and said, look, we're in charge of your security.
You need to take these down now.
It could be this, too, that it might be exactly that.
Not that they know anything, but that they said if you they may have called and said, if you publish your photo and your name, we can't protect you.
And so the company then just reacted and did it.
Well, you know what? All of the pamphlets
and all of the books they have to see your
pictures in those, you're going to
pull those two?
No, but the idea is like, you know, first
line of like the easiest thing first,
right? So somebody will take more effort
to go and find a pamphlet and then get
information on that person.
Just because a door lock can be passed really easily
doesn't mean you don't lock your door.
Websites and action.
I'll give you guys another example.
Because I'm very pro 2A, and I've often said that,
look, if you want to carry a gun and we do an event, I don't care.
If I don't want to do the event because I'm scared of guns,
I won't do the event.
And then we can't get insurance or security.
So it's not even an issue of what I want and what i believe in we get told by different security companies are you're gonna
you want to allow weapons in the event okay we sorry we can't protect you and they were like
you can pay us but we we tell you straight up there's no security at your event and we're like
okay and they're like so do you want security or not and then the other issue is insurance
you want you want people to open carry or conceal carry at your event?
Insurance says, sorry, not interested.
Can't get insurance?
Can't do the event.
Does the same thing hold true?
Is that why so many, I mean, among other things, why federal buildings have the same?
No, federal buildings are, they've made that law.
But I'm saying like at banks and stuff or any regular business that says.
It depends on the bank.
Yeah, most banks
have like a gun on with a circle and a line through it being like weapons are not permitted
in the premises unless you're a criminal then you bring it anyways because i guess i was only doing
in new hampshire there's like none of the private business like a private business is that uh not
just because uh federally it's looked upon what like fed like is it like that with private
businesses because they're not federally bound to have?
What do you mean is like?
Okay, so if you're at a CVS and you have, like, no guns allowed on the premises, right, is that because of federal law?
Is that just because of insurance?
That is likely because of a policy that the store owner has.
Okay.
It's not going to be a federal thing because the government isn't going to say, oh, you can't bring this into
a privately owned business.
What I want to know is,
where is he?
Where is he? They say he fled the
state. Back to Atlanta. Atlanta?
I thought they said that he got off of...
They're saying
he bought a bus ticket from Atlanta to New York
with a fake ID. Oh, is that what the situation is?
Okay, dude, if this dude actually was flirting with some chick
and pulled his mask down and that's how he gets caught?
That is the most movie part of the whole plot.
It is, right?
As much as whether we're talking about the dude clearing the rounds individually,
whether we're talking about the fact that he's cool and calm the entire time,
doesn't react to the civilian on the side, whether we're talking about the
fact that he absconds, moves and changes clothes and then gets caught because he turns around
and pulls his mask down to flirt with someone.
They've literally done episodes of TV shows where that happens, where there's an episode
of White Collar where like a guy, we were talking about it earlier, where a guy like
steals a painting and then he gets caught on camera, like looks back at a girl and they catch his face in the camera
that's literally this like this whole thing is a movie plot but you know what in looking at that
video and we were talking about earlier nobody says well not that many people talk about there
was a guy in the truck there was a guy in the truck and he saw everything and just, okay.
Yeah, because he'll become Daniel Penny if he does anything about it.
Well, I mean, police always say that cars are weapons.
I mean, they can be, but.
I kind of feel like.
Floor it, baby, floor it.
The jury makeup in the Daniel Penny case. Look, guys, I want to say, you know, that old Tim Civil War pool is feeling pretty good and optimistic based on this massive sweep.
And it is true.
Republicans winning basically everything is indicative of a cultural shift in a positive direction, which will prevent this violent bifurcation.
But you look at the Daniel Penny thing, and there is some optimism there,
but there's a question.
So one of the super chatters is saying
that it's like half men, half women,
and one person wearing a double mask.
So you know the ideological bent of these people.
They don't care what's true.
They're angry, emotional, dangerous ideologues.
But the question then is, this is New York.
Right.
And so if this is only
a couple of lunatics
who are doing this,
are we actually improving
and winning back the culture
so we should be optimistic?
Well, I mean,
it's not New York.
He didn't come from New York.
No, I'm saying the jury
in New York
is comprised of these people
and it doesn't seem,
a deadlocked jury means
they're not all
woke, insane people.
Well, is the idea like... It could be just one person. Yeah. Right. Well, my first thought was jury means they're not all woke, insane people. Well, is the idea-
It could be just one person.
Yeah.
Right.
Well, my first thought was, it went back to Rittenhouse, right?
And Rittenhouse being acquitted seemed like a big cultural moment as well, because everybody
assumed that he was going to end up going to jail.
Yeah, it was scary.
Right?
So is this the idea that, does this set us back?
If Rittenhouse was a step forward, or does is it to have more to do with the location?
You know what's crazy?
People need to think about this.
Earlier today on the Culture War podcast, we had King Randall and Majd Ture on and we were talking about, you know, BLM and stuff like that.
And Jacob Blake came up.
Jacob Blake, you guys know who that was?
This is the story where a guy goes to his ex-wife's house.
He had a warrant for felony sexual assault.
And he goes to this woman's house.
I don't know if the reports were it's been a while that he was actively assaulting her at the time
or she was scared he was going to, so she called the police.
The police tried to subdue him.
He ignores the cops, breaks free, walks to his car, reaches for a knife.
They shoot him.
He gets paralyzed.
This is not a guy that anybody should be defending.
He should be in jail. The NFL put Jacob Blake on their helmets. All these different
teams, they deleted a lot of those posts. But here's the thing. That's why they were protesting
Kenosha. At the time, it was all obvious to us. Jacob Blake thing happens. Riots happen.
Cut right in house happens. But now people forget about the Jacob Blake. The heart of this. The
whole reason they were there. The whole reason they were there.
And the fact that mainstream corporate America was supporting the rapist.
I would assume that most people thinking back on it now probably assumed it had more to
do with George Floyd.
Yep.
Like they've all just transposed the time.
That's why I was saying it's important to remember that this whole thing with Kyle
Rittenhouse wasn't just about a kid who was threatened and then tried to defend himself.
It was a riot to defend and protect a rapist who tried drawing a knife on cops.
And Kyle Rittenhouse was there to render aid when they threatened to kill him.
The amount of evil that existed at the time, and I hope is being pushed aside.
The amount of evil was unfathomable.
Do you think a lot of this just has to do with the speed of which information moves
and the way it's obfuscated from the people that are used in these
situations?
Meaning the most useful idiot is the one who goes out and starts protesting
without really understanding what they're protesting for.
The way,
the way that I've have seen it over the years is that the culture only needs a
reason.
I mean,
well,
they don't even need a reason.
They just need a little spark.
That's it.
Because there are just some people out here that just want to just tear things up.
They don't care.
That's where Antifa came from.
That's where BLM came from.
That's where, well, I sort of occupy Wall Street as a grandfather, grandmother,
but they just need a reason.
And then it goes poof.
And they don't care.
And they won't stop until, you know, until they get paid or whatnot.
But you know what I'm saying?
They won't stop.
That's one of the things that we talk about frequently here is the left needs people that are unhappy, right?
Because well-adjusted, happy people that are pleased with their lives or feel like they have something that they're working for in their lives, working towards in their lives, they don't engage in revolutionary activity. activity so it doesn't matter if it's a good reason just like you said all they need is just
some reason some excuse and you will have there are sufficient people that are unhappy where you
can get them riled up and say okay now it's time to do just break stuff and it's it doesn't have
to have a target that that makes sense and it can just be i'm mad at society
so let's burn things down well also there's two layers to that now because yes the the most um
violent of them may go out into the streets and perform these acts but then you also get the
further uninformed people that will just do it on social media which boosts the post there
that's easy i'm saying but it makes it even easier to reach more people who are unhappy
and it all sparks from there.
Palmer Luckey just tweeted this out a few minutes ago.
It's a really good point.
He says,
I hope the NYC assassination gives certain people a hint
as to why concern about mass reporting
the location of specific private jets
is in fact reasonable rather than hysterical.
There's that guy who was posting what Taylor Swift's jet and Elon Musk's.
People don't understand that these jets land at airports with zero security.
So like the airport in Maryland that Ye flew in and out of, it's a four foot high chain
link fence with a gate you can pop up and walk in.
And if people are saying like, here's where they are, this is the kind of stuff that could
happen.
But that's the sweet spot of where these people like to be, right? Which is rich people, the haves and the have nots. And, uh, even if the idea is that it's something as
stupid as climate change that they're supposedly watchdogging for, it can be, that can be piggybacked
by people with much worse intentions than just yelling at Taylor Swift on the internet. Just yelling at Taylor Swift.
I mean, there's a lot of people.
Yeah.
There's a lot of people that get mad,
especially when it's a simple understanding of,
oh, it's billionaires, right?
This amorphous idea.
People that have a lot of money
or that they believe have a lot of money
because they're quote-unquote billionaires or
whatever the idea that that makes them inherently you know it makes it inherently acceptable to
attack them and treat them as lesser that's not new in history that was the justification for
killing all the kulaks in ukraine in the in the you know the so in the soviet union and that ended with
millions of the people that killed the kulaks dying because the kulaks were the ones that knew
how to farm it's not that now granted i'm not making the argument that this particular ceo
is like the our society doesn't hinge on this one guy, but the idea that someone that has a lot of money doesn't deserve it because they inherently are bad for it.
Jeff Bezos or the family that owns Walmart, those people provide thousands and thousands of jobs and they make it easy for millions of people across the country to get
food and to get the things they need for their daily life but it doesn't make them the bad guy
yeah but i i see i would say it doesn't make them necessarily inherently immoral but i think all
that's bad so aside from the obvious that walmart destroys mom and pop shops and that's been a big
controversy for a long time.
I went to a small town.
I think it was in Nebraska.
I can't remember.
It might have been Oklahoma.
And they had a Walmart.
And it was kind of wild.
I was passing through, but people told me we used to have a bunch of small shops.
Walmart came in.
And now the only thing in town is Walmart.
Everything's gone.
You want to get your car fixed, you go to Walmart.
You want to get booze, you go to Walmart.
You want to buy guns, you go to Walmart.
And so life should not be overly easy. There has to be a degree of challenge in your life to make
people more resilient. And while we can certainly say like, yeah, but convenience is different.
The problem is it does disrupt local communities. And then the worst thing is there are stories
where Walmart has opened a super center in an area, all the small businesses shut down,
and then Walmart realizes a year later it's not profitable
and decides to move locations,
and now there's nothing.
The economy's been decimated.
And those businesses can't reopen.
That's right, because you need like 50 grand
for your inventory or whatever,
and some of it might be generational stores.
That's what happened in the town that I was raised in.
It's like the whole downtown, Main Street, Ray Street, all those mom and pop shops and everything.
They went out and put Walmart on the outskirts of the city.
And then they put more of the strip mall shops outside of the city.
Now you can just walk.
I mean, those old stores stores nobody's using the you know
and it's like wow i mean and the convenience that you were just talking about some of the old people
can't just get out to the outskirts of the city anymore you know i mean you know they might have
a dust buster bus or whatnot but i mean it's a shame that it's like that. But the anger at someone like
Jeff Bezos to me is the most interesting because it just feels like it depends on your philosophy
for life. So out here, we go by a lot of areas that are very rural that would not normally be
able to get packages as quickly as they do, not to mention the jobs that it provides for people
who do work, whether as delivery or in a warehouse and things like that. And I look at that and I see that as a marvel of growth and invention, which I find is something
to aspire to.
Now, there's obviously greater concerns there as far as what it does for the job market.
Frankly, if we're talking about overtaking the post office, they lose billions and billions
of dollars every year, right?
But the point is, is that there is a level of envy that comes with someone's success
where they cannot focus
on the good provided by a business.
They can only think about it
in terms of the negative.
And that has grown
as income inequality
has grown in this country.
That's one of the problems.
Let's jump to this story
from the Chicago Sun-Times.
Far-right influencer Nick Fuentes
charged with battery of Berwyn woman.
Marla Rose previously said that Fuentes pepper sprayed her and pushed her down the front steps of his West Suburban home.
Now he's facing a misdemeanor charge.
OK, let's clarify a few things.
It was two steps.
OK, just two.
That's important.
And that is the clarification right there.
I'm going to come out right and say it right on the top.
These charges should never have been filed.
This should be dropped
and it's ridiculous.
I am not a fan of Nick Fuentes,
but clearly if...
Okay, the dude,
what did he do?
He trolled on the internet.
He said,
your body, my choice.
So far away from being offensive
and illegal.
Look, the dude has said
more offensive things in his life.
Many people say more.
Taylor Lorenz says substantially more offensive things.
And double down.
And double down.
Fuentes starts getting death threats and gets doxxed because of this.
These people are celebrating it.
By all means, don't doxx people.
But you're allowed to insult and not like Nick Fuentes.
And then, as the dude's getting death threats,
and there's there's
like apparently were a couple of vehicles with people in them in front of his house.
A woman walks up, hold apparently she's holding something, her phone, and Fuentes opens the door
and pepper sprays her. He's getting charged for this. He's at his home minding his own business.
Look, how many times have there been officers that have been deemed justified in shootings
because someone was holding a cell phone and they didn't know if it was a weapon or not?
I'm not saying they should be justified.
But if Nick Fuentes, all he did was pepper spray and shove somebody because they're walking up to
his house on his property, on his property. Now, I certainly think there's an argument of,
look, maybe you should call the police and back off because it's stupid to approach the door with
pepper spray if you think someone might try to kill you. But the idea that he would get arrested,
charged and mugshot over this, I think is stupid. stupid it's illinois yeah and that's why i'm not surprised because defending yourself is illegal in that
state yeah it's like as far as i'm like it was dumb for him to do that because of where he lives
like you should know that the state that you're that you live in doesn't approve of any kind of self-defense,
any kind of active self-protection at all.
How long after it happened was he arrested?
It looks like it's today.
Oh, it happened today?
No, the arrest happened today?
Yeah.
Okay.
I think the arrest was today.
No, I thought it was before Thanksgiving.
He was arrested before Thanksgiving?
The 27th? December 7th, man. I don before Thanksgiving. He was arrested before Thanksgiving? The 27th?
December 7th, man.
I don't know.
Okay, okay.
Okay, arrested today, then.
Oh, he was arrested on the 27th.
I didn't even realize it was that long ago that he got arrested.
Oh, wow.
You know, it was Thanksgiving for me.
I wasn't paying attention.
Yeah.
I think this is ridiculous.
And a lot of people are posting online, if I'm getting a bunch of death threats and you
show up to my house.
That's what I was thinking, too.
I was like, you don't know what's coming in his email.
You don't know what his messages might be left on his phone.
I mean, so if somebody just walks up to your house and you ain't never seen these people
before and they got something in their hand, just like you said, it's a phone.
You don't know.
I mean, OK, well, I'm going to meet you at the door.
So I would say, like, if you live in Illinois, Nick, you shouldn't live in Illinois.
This is crazy.
That's the big takeaway.
I know.
I know.
So there are some distinctions here.
Look, we're in West Virginia.
You cannot walk up to this property.
We have security perimeter and we have security.
So even our food delivery guys are like, I don't know, what is it, like a football field away, confused?
Because you can't get in.
And if you try to get in, you will be severely hurt because there's like several signs before
you come in.
There's a big difference.
If you were somehow able to walk up to my front door, don't do it.
I'll just say, please, for the love of all that is holy, do not come to the front door
of my house.
Cancel Christmas, right?
I'm just saying, like, you've already committed a felony at that point.
If you're able to make it to the front door and there's armed security guards who aren't going to wait to ask questions considering we get death threats.
The difference for Nick Fuentes is that he's on a public street in a residential area where his property line is 10 feet.
And so the argument they're going to make is this could be a delivery person or
a solicitor that he just pepper sprays randomly. He didn't wait to find out. He didn't know it was.
He can certainly argue that he was concerned or whatever, but they're going to argue if he really
thought he was facing a threat, he would have called the police and he would have went and
hit or gone out the back door or done something else. Second, I heard this and I heard Chicago.
I imagined it being at the house from home alone. open the door and the the spray just shoots out harry and marv are there i mean look
tim and myself have both moved because of the place that we were living in
was no longer to our liking um i live my house is in new hampshire and i live here and you know i got an apartment here in west virginia like that's by choice intentionally um i'm fortunate in that
you know the jobs that i do make make that possible or made that possible but i didn't
like the laws in massachusetts so i left you see people doing this from leaving California. A lot of times they're leaving for monetary reasons
and going to Texas or going to Florida.
But people move out of places that are not to their liking.
Nick doing this in Illinois,
Nick was dumb to do this because of where he lives.
It's not that it was wrong of him to do it.
He actually didn't hurt the woman.
He sprained her, but he didn't cause permanent damage.
He didn't shoot her.
Made her famous.
Well, yeah.
So hold on.
I don't think he was arrested.
Oh, okay.
So all of the stories that are coming up right now from today saying he was arrested,
I don't think it was reported that it was on the 27th,
but they're reporting now that after the incident,
he was booked, fingerprinted, and searched on November 27th and ultimately charged with battery and released.
Right. He's doing Cook County on the 19th.
Well, you know what, man? I'll tell you, Nick, these court systems are not fair and they don't care and they absolutely will take into account everything that he has done.
Yep. And so we've seen this before with other personalities
if you're a controversial figure the judge is going to be like don't know don't care the law
doesn't apply to you you're going to jail yeah that's a little happen here i i think the judge
is gonna oh yeah yeah absolutely yep maybe a short time but you know he yeah uh if you if look
everybody knows if you go to court and you insult the judge, good luck.
He's going to be like, okay, lock him up.
Yeah.
So Nick going to court,
you're going to get a judge in Illinois
who's likely going to be liberal leaning
and they're going to think to themselves two things.
I don't want to be the person to go light on Nick Fuentes
because it's going to reflect poorly on me
and this guy's a dickhead.
And so he gets what's coming to him.
I mean,
just going to be like,
lock him up.
Even being not an internet troll and being right-leaning like publicly
right-leaning you're risking getting a left-leaning judge and the judge
deciding that he wants to punish you.
Look at Kyle Rittenhouse.
Like he got lucky that the judge was not left-leaning.
Yeah.
Right.
Like Daniel Penny.
Yeah, exactly.
So Daniel Penny, you don't even really know his politics
other than he wanted to help the people that he was in the subway with.
So like Nick Fuentes.
Look at Donald Trump.
Yeah, exactly.
Donald Trump was a Democrat forever.
If they look into Nick Fuentes, his history, which they likely will, they are not going to be kind to him.
They're going to say this kid is a bad kid.
He's a character thing.
Blah, blah, blah.
And, you know, so, I mean, and I'm not endorsing this.
I don't think it's a good thing at all.
Right?
Like, I think Nick is silly and I think that he's got some dumb ideas.
But, like, I don't have anything personal against the guy.
But this is going to be a bad deal for him.
It's going to turn into something really, really, really bad.
It was very, very dumb to do this in Illinois.
Wait, do you think that he's going to get community service?
Do you think he's going to get jail time for this?
I think whatever the—he assaulted someone, so he could get jail time, I assume.
I don't know what the laws are.
I don't know what they're going to charge him with.
I don't know what the laws are like in—what's it called?
But I don't imagine he's going to get leniency.
I don't think they're going to be like, well, he means well, and so we're going to go ahead and just give him probation when really what they're going to say is, oh, your body, my choice.
So he thought that he was within his rights to mace this person because he obviously thinks
that it's their body is his, you know, his to do with as he dispose of as he pleases.
They're going to see that.
They're going to say that.
And they're going to be like, throw the book at him.
I could see him going in there and just looking right dead at him.
It was like, oh, you're Nick Pervento.
Yeah.
You know, it's like, oh.
And hopefully he doesn't get a brother.
I bet it's, oh man, I bet
it's worse than that. The judge is going to get
handed the docket and the documents
and he's going to go, ugh.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Or, like, hopefully he's the first case because usually, I mean, you know,
if a judge has been up there for three or four hours, you know,
they tend to get a little bit more pissed off.
That's it.
I don't want to hear it.
30 days.
Yeah.
I mean, I imagine, honestly, I think it will be way, way more than 30 days.
You think so?
Yeah. I think that they're going to want more than 30 days. You think so? Yeah.
I think that they're going to want to make an example.
Or a mace and a push.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, battery, I think it's like, what, six months?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I think the maximum could be six months.
Yeah, I think whatever the fullest extent of the law allows, I think that that's what the judge will give him.
They're going to argue that he
instigated and incited.
While he was inside of his home. No,
beforehand. They're going to say he intentionally went
online and antagonized, instigated,
creating a threat he was well aware of.
They'll likely, and I'm not saying,
I don't know if for sure this happened, but one pathway
they might go is, they're going to find examples
of him gloating, laughing, and
saying things like, screw you, what can you do about it, blah, blah, blah. And then, they're going to find examples of him gloating laughing and saying things like screw you
what can you do about it blah blah blah and then they're going to be like so he was so if there's
a i'm pretty sure this how it works in illinois if in illinois you instigate a fight then your
your your defense is limited so if someone punches you into his battery and then they can prove that
you actually told the guy what are you going to do about it you insulted him and said hit me i dare
you and things like that they're like that's your fault you instigated a fight yeah so
so basically what you're saying is that that video that uh he kind of made fun and stuff like that
that could be shown everything he said canon will be used against him in a court of law
i don't know anything about the victim but if she's if she's jewish he's doomed
well i don't know she's woke
and then because look at look at his you know look at his his past rhetoric i mean they i don't
imagine if she's jewish and they've already charged him and the judge is a brother i mean that's
that's that's like 10 years i mean well as much as i think that any judge could hold it against
nick fuentes because he's a controversial public figure that says things that offend people, I wouldn't immediately assume that just because the judge is black, he's not capable of being impartial.
You know what I mean?
I think typically judges are personal and they have emotions and they're going to weigh that.
But I don't think –
If it's an afternoon case and he's been up there for a little bit.
But that could be anybody, right?
That's true.
I'll tell you this.
Those hanging judges down there in Texas.
If Clarence Thomas was a judge and Fuentes came in,
he's not going to be like, I hate this guy.
I'm going to throw the book at him.
Clarence Thomas is going to do a good job being a good judge.
Well, Clarence is a little bit different.
He's the cream of the crowd.
He's the best of the best.
He's a little bit different than those judges that are out there doing i agree you can't compare the best judge that we
have in the entire country with your run of the mill cook county local district court judge or
whatever yep clarence thomas is awesome he's the og yeah alito's great too i'm glad those guys are
on the on the top and those headlines won't help him either.
I mean, white nationalists, really?
Yeah.
In Chicago?
I mean, they're going to throw the book at him.
But who knows?
Who knows?
We may be overthinking it.
The courts, look, they're lazy.
They don't want to deal with this stuff.
Yeah.
They just might be like, how do I make this go away?
And then there's two considerations.
They could be saying the protesters are going to get mad if we don't get something out of him.
So they're going to offer him a plea bargain of some sort that's got to satisfy the activists.
Like what would happen with George Floyd in the trial.
Well, I don't know that they're – I mean, they might be – I mean, that's a consideration.
They could say, listen, if you let this guy off with anything light, there's going to be riots.
These people want blood. I mean, I don't know if this would say, listen, if you let this guy off with anything light, there's going to be riots. These people want blood.
I mean, I don't know if this would go to that.
I don't think that would come to that.
Not for this or who Nick Fuentes is.
And so the court's going to be saying, why did someone show up to his house in the first place?
Because he's antagonistic on the internet.
Okay, how many of these people are there?
There's a lot of people who are mad about this.
It went massively viral. Okay, what's the likelihood? are there? There's a lot of people who are mad about this. It went massively viral.
Okay, what's the likelihood?
What's the ramifications if we give them a plea deal?
Like, you could have protests.
Well, we don't want protests, so what do we do?
You got to get a conviction.
Something.
Would her character come into this too?
The woman got pushed?
I doubt it.
The consideration is not, did Nick do something wrong? It's It's not, it's not a question of, did Nick do something wrong?
It's a question of how do we avoid political ramifications from this?
And it's a question of,
here's a question for you guys.
Do you think the left would protest if they dismiss the charges?
Pardon me?
If they dismiss the charges,
would the left protest?
I don't think so.
Then I think dismissal is likely.
Because they're going to be like,
I don't care about this.
They're going to be like,
why is this guy, who cares?
Push the woman.
This is a waste of our time.
There's a dude who just shot three people
on the south side.
Exactly, exactly.
I mean, you know,
there's little kids that are getting shot
on the front steps and stuff.
I didn't see this coming to something
that would end up being protests or anything like that.
Yeah, no, no. If they
say Nick Fuentes pepper sprayed and pushed
this woman and he's let go with
no charges,
I think there's a small, small
probability that people might protest and be like...
News cycle is so fast now.
I just see this disappearing. In which
case, then I think it's not likely that they throw the book at him.
Yeah, maybe. If there are any protests,
it'll be those Groypers.
Well, you know what would start a protest?
If they want a protest, they'd have to dismiss the charges,
issue a public apology, stand with him at City Hall shaking his hand
and saying, you're a good person, and that would get you a protest.
That'd do it.
They're looking to do it.
That'd do it, yeah.
I mean, throwing her down the steps.
It was,
it was,
it was two stairs.
It barely qualifies as a curb.
That's crazy.
I don't agree with him doing it,
but I also,
because,
because of where he lives in Chicago
and I'm from Chicago,
you,
someone walks up to your door and knocks.
I don't think the appropriate response
is what he did.
I should say this.
I don't know the circumstances.
I don't know.
He could have got an email saying,
I'm coming to your house right now.
And he,
I bet he does.
And so when the woman shows up he's like oh
crap who knows i mean but he shouldn't live in illinois because the proximity there's no way to
secure himself and he's gonna end up in a situation like this if he could produce an email in the past
few hours it says someone's like i'm on the way to your house then that might be something that
help his his case i bet he has 5 000 d DMs, emails, and messages of people saying,
I'm coming right now to get you.
That's possible.
I mean, actually, maybe then, maybe he produces these and he says,
look, this is the constant barrage that I'm under.
I know that I say things that are inflammatory,
but this is the reason why I behave that way.
But you know the photo that is famous, right?
Him just standing, I i mean just a picture
of him standing up looking over like dirty hair you're like oh yeah you know that that
okay oh i mean i wouldn't be surprised if they bring up january 6 too because he was there
oh yeah yeah let's jump to the story from fox news sarah silverman says she's become less
political because no one wants to hear from celebrities anymore liberal comic said it
wouldn't have made a difference if she'd been more outspoken this election.
I wonder if the real story is that no one wants to hear from you.
Maybe, but I feel like it's a win either way.
Yeah, I think the reality is here is
we have basically had such a decisive win in the culture war
that the enemy has been routed.
They have fallen from their horses
and are fleeing and scattering in random directions.
There was also, there was a lot of news coming out this week.
Look, George Clooney blames Obama for basically turning him into a patsy.
You left me with the bag.
You left him holding the bag.
That's what he said.
And there was another article came out today that the activist class in Hollywood is basically,
they're taking a step back now and what they're going to do in the future is focus on local elections
because they want to keep pushing abortion
and climate change propaganda and stuff like that.
And for these actors and actresses,
look, last week we had Alec Baldwin
and we had Sharon Stone calling all of America,
half of America, idiots for who they voted for
while condescendingly telling them,
well, you don't even have a passport.
How could you possibly know what's good for you?
These people never learn.
As much as we make fun of it,
this is actually a certain amount of self-reflection
that's honestly pretty rare amongst them.
Do you think that wokeness in Hollywood is being diminished?
No.
You think it's getting worse?
I don't know about getting worse.
I think that it ends up staying the same.
I think as long as streaming services
are just saddled with endless need for content,
that there's too much content being made,
there's too many substandard content creators
that rely on it,
and there's too many holes in the system
to pull it out and get rid of it,
meaning that, sure,
at the level of big-budget movies, you'll see a pullback on it in a lot of ways if you look at the stuff that comes out
they'll go back one direction but as soon as you go back to television look they've got 10 000 shows
coming out and only so many good script writers there are only there is only one taylor sheridan
and only a few everyone else should be fired and everybody else should be fired right but
for the most part for the most part you're not going to see it go away because
it's too entrenched in the coastal elite I'm ready to get rid of every streaming service just
Paramount except Paramount at this point I was so I'm watching Landman and I'm waiting for the next
episode and so I'm like well come on man Yellowstone is like it's messed up it's gone I
don't know yeah Kevin Gossard now and so then I started watching Tulsa King
and I'm like
man this is good
Landman in Tulsa King
what it proves to you
is like
you can even tell
you can tell stories
that have
elements of progressivism
in there
as long as you don't
treat the characters
like morons
right
but
Tantler's a great
storyteller
I mean
everybody go watch
Sicario right now
after the show.
It's such an awesome movie.
The scene at the border.
The border.
It's maybe the...
Denis Villeneuve,
it's probably the greatest
master class intention building
in cinema history.
Listen for the dog.
Listen for the dog barking.
Because they have
What's Her Face in it.
Emily Blunt,
is that her name?
She's in it.
And it's wild to me that
it's a great character. There's action. There's suspense. She's in it. And it's wild to me that she's got, it's a great character.
There's action.
There's suspense.
There's good writing.
You can have strong whammons or whatever you want.
And then whenever you get these female writers and these woke writers that wanted, that intentionally
want to make strong women woke content, it's just miserably awful.
Yeah, it is.
Well, when you, when you watch that movie, it's because you see her just experience the
horror of what's going on at the border.
And she's not there to be the strong, independent woman.
She's there to look at the horrors of what's going on in the drug war and be the audience's eyes.
Did you see that meme where it's like men writing women?
And it shows like Ripley from Alien and like Katniss Everdeen.
And this is women writing women.
And it's She-Hulk twerking.
It's like men writing lawyers.
It's men writing lawyers and stuff like that.
Sicario is
the dinner scene, right? Yeah.
At the very end. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
That movie's so good. The first time I saw it I was like
what the fuck? I know.
Look, I almost peed on myself
when I saw it.
I was like, I can't believe he just did that.
I don't know. You know, with like the success of Yellowstone, everybody was talking about how it's like, look, it's not woke.
And it's the biggest show right now.
And people were claiming that it was like Game of Thrones for conservatives or whatever.
And then Costner left.
And now the show is just, I don't even know what the show is at this point.
I'm not going to watch it.
I mean, either.
But I'm like, these shows that are massively successful,
like all of Sheridan's
shows, they are not woke.
And there's an element critical. Landman,
I didn't even know Landman came out until
that viral scene where he's talking
to that woman, and he's explaining
how wind turbines, and
it's such amazing writing.
Things you don't even consider.
She's in the car, and she goes, green energy, you know, what is it, like encroaching on the oil?
And he's like, no, oil companies are using alternative energy to power the pumps.
And then she's like, what?
And then he gets out and he explains the amount of, he's like, do you have any idea how much diesel it takes to get these things, to haul them out here, to put the 12 feet of concrete in the ground, to put it up?
They're out here not because it's green energy, because there's out here, to put the 12 feet of concrete in the ground, to put it up. They're out here not because of green energy,
because there's no power lines to power the pumps.
It's the same thing that he does,
that they do in Yellowstone,
when he explains all of the animals that are killed
to farm avocados and stuff like that.
It's amazing.
All it is, is it takes a certain level of research
on their part,
and the ability to think past the level of a tweet.
Right?
Like, actually have a discussion.
If you listen to his discussion with Joe Rogan and he talks about the process of writing
these characters, he said, all of it has to do with actually doing your research and allowing
characters to be multifaceted and they don't have to do.
One of the problems with a lot of the writing in Hollywood is that if somebody has progressive
ideals, they can have no flaws.
They cannot be like the point now is that you need to
actually be able to write characters again where you can actually be a bad guy and still be the
focus of the show i mean like you can be a mid-level person you can have good traits and bad traits but
are you blurring i but is that blurring the line with bad and good? Not in the way that... Destroying culture, too, because we were talking about Thanos earlier from the Marvel stuff.
It's like total badass.
I mean, you feel for the guy.
Oh, man.
Yeah, he wouldn't help his world.
But when you blur that line of good and bad,
there is no more good and bad anymore.
This is what they keep trying to do.
I'm just so sick of it.
Like, Rings of Power got roasted
because they gave the orcs families
and tried to justify the orcs.
And it's like, the orcs were meant to be
malevolent evil incarnate, and that was it.
One of the worst examples this year,
if anybody watched the God Awful Crow reboot, which is one of the it's an abomination whatever you do
don't see that movie it's one of the worst things you've ever seen right and and to your point
in the original crow the whole point is there's an extremely poignant anti-drug message to the film
that is very very layered and important to the
character because he lives in a city full of chaos drugs crime and he's
killed on Halloween on the eve of his wedding which is a very very you know
poignant thing to think about by criminals and then then when they make
the reboot they're like a bunch of goths who do drugs together.
And it's like, did you even watch the original movie?
You got to see the craft reboot.
Have you seen that one?
No.
I recommend it to everybody.
And then after you watch it, you're going to be like, curse you, Tim Pool.
How could you?
Yo, the original craft from the 90s.
It's 14-age girls and they're witches.
And then they do witch stuff.
It was cool, though.
I mean, it was cool.
It was fun.
They basically start fighting with each other.
And it's like an internal conflict.
And you're like, wow.
The new craft, it's like one of the witches is a trans girl.
So it's like a male.
And then they use magic to turn the bully gay.
I'm not kidding.
And then the bad guy turns out to be literally the patriarchy.
Of course. It's actually, yeah, it to be literally the patriarchy. Of course.
It's actually,
yeah,
it's actually,
it's David Duchovny and he's like,
I'm a man and I'm,
I'm here because I'm in charge and I have the power.
Think about that.
Like,
this is what I'm talking about.
Like those ideas are so grandiose and stupid when all you have to do is like,
wow,
the oil industry is crazy.
Let's write about the oil industry because this dude is black bagged by a bunch of cartel members
and then basically does a deal
with them to...
Dude. Taylor
Sheridan's... I'm imagining
all of his shows. It's like he sees
a tweet from a leftist that's really
stupid. Like, we need more wind
turbines to offset carbon emissions.
And he went, you idiot. So he
sits down with the executives and he's like, here's one tweet.
And they're like, we could do a show about a guy who works on oil companies.
And then what do they have?
Two incredible scenes where it's basically explaining to the audience how dumb they are.
And not like disrespectfully making a point.
So the opening scene of Landman is some of the best television I have seen in a decade.
I don't know.
The rest of the series still needs to catch up to how good that opening scene was.
It was like an IPO.
It starts off at $100 and then drops down to $10.
And it's still good.
Let me just explain without spoiling it.
The opening scene of the whole show sells it so well.
Billy Bob, he's black bagged.
Cartel members are like, you think you can come onto our land?
And then he basically explains the power of the oil industry to these guys with guns.
And like, I'm going to spoil it a little bit.
They basically set it up so you know how bad these guys are.
One guy shoots another guy and he kicks his body over and he's like, you're going to come on my land?
And then he's basically like, the oil industry makes $6.8 million off each acre per day.
And then he's like breaking down the numbers. and he's like, yeah, they're coming.
And then the cartel gets scared.
And that's how they're like, you know how bad the cartel is.
Let me explain the oil industry.
And I don't want to spoil it, but you need to see it.
And then he's got that, that, that next, that should have went viral too.
Then there's another scene where he's basically like wind turbines will never offset the cost
of the oil that was required to make it. Cause've got to produce the concrete, lubricate the machine.
You've got to ship it, haul it, build the transmission lines for the wind.
It takes so much oil to make.
You'll never get that energy back.
Most television shows are tweets.
His shows are threats.
Are actual threads just explaining exactly what's going on.
It's the same thing that they did in the sequel to Sicario, which is also not as bad as a lot of people pretended to be.
But the whole point in that is that they get involved by trying to frame the
cartels fighting each other and to get the U S government involved in the war
on drugs.
Right.
And that's a very interesting premise as well,
but it's just not quite as good as the original film because it's more
personal.
Mary Kingston is Taylor's, right?
Yeah, Mary Kingston.
Same thing.
I mean, you know, if you go through the first two episodes of that, you're stuck.
You're like, oh, my God.
I mean, it went here, you know?
I mean, and you got Hawkeye from Marvel.
Jeremy Renner.
Also, all of this stuff was done infinitely just as well back in the early 2000s with
a show called The Wire, which everyone should go watch as well right now.
You know what?
It took me a long time to watch The Wire.
Those first-
I never watched it while I was on TV.
But one day I was like, okay, I'm getting sick of watching all of these other-
Let me just check it out.
And after the first two, i was stuck i was binge
watching that was your mind yeah the the i live in baltimore and the thing is like that actually
has a similar scene at the opening which i thought was extremely it was just unbelievable where he's
uh mcnulty is sitting there with uh one of the kids that's in this gang right there's a dead
body there and he's talking about throwing dice with this kid
and how they let him come back week after week,
even though he always tries to run off with the money.
And he says, but you know he's going to try and steal it.
Why do you let him come back?
He goes, you have to.
This is America, man.
And the whole point of the show
is that it talks about the war on drugs
right as the war on terror had started and all the resources had been pulled away.
And that show actually had the creator of it was David Simon.
Like they were like arrested by local police because it made the police and the government look bad.
So they were actually continuously bothered by local law enforcement because they shined a light on them.
That was negative but at the same time
did not portray the drug trade as something to aspire to but rather its own enterprise with its
own problems and issues and that type of writing is just used to be far more the norm back in the
golden age of television and we're just not there anymore you're talking about the the woke ism and hollywood
and with sarah silverman and nobody really wants to hear her anymore and stuff um when you like
when narcos when um when narcos was on for that first season it's like okay i can see how that
you know this is totally bad and then the the wokeism came in there in the
second season
when you thought
cartels, those
boys are Billy Badasses, man.
And then all of a sudden you have a homosexual
connection.
We wanted a cartel. What the hell?
A show that did that fairly well. If you ever
saw Power. You know what I'm saying?
You ever saw the show Power with Omari Hardwick?
And that's a very, very good show.
It is a good show.
Yeah.
I mean, it's got like nine spinoffs now, which I'm not.
You ever see Powers?
The one about the, was it the superheroes that?
Yeah, it was, what was it?
Charlton Copley, I think.
Yeah, I did not see that.
The PlayStation Network TV show.
What was the one about the cleanup crew
that always cleans up after the superheroes destroy the city?
Oh, I don't know.
Remember that one?
There was a show where it's literally just about the people
who have to pick up the city after they destroy it.
We were talking about this a little bit before the show,
but I blame conservatives a lot for not promoting shows
that actually are good and only ever come to shows that are bad.
That's true.
So I referenced this show called The Order on Netflix, which only got two seasons before
getting canceled.
The second season villain is literally a communist, a Marxist communist professor at university.
And I'm just like, how, how come every single conservative wasn't saying like, watch this
show?
It's not the greatest show ever.
It's people, they're not giving the chance.
Like no, like the stuff I, my People, they're not giving the chance.
The stuff I,
my timeline, literally nothing but stuff that I like, but none of it's
recent. I don't think conservatives consume
as much culture as the left does.
And I think this is reflected in
everything we see.
Conservatives are more likely to be at work.
Also, they're not watching TV all day.
I challenge that because
there are a lot of ones that are on my timeline
because I watch the ID channel a lot.
I mean, I'm fascinated with a whole lot of stuff that is going on
in the heartland of America.
But so many of them are like closet ID.
They don't say it.
They don't promote it. Just like you said, they don't say it they don't promote it
just like you said
they don't talk about what's good
they just
we just don't do it
one of the problems is also like if we're talking about social media
the whole point is to go out and complain
about something
where it's like I tweeted something
the other day it was like a response about
like the mob.
Like people who like mob movies, right?
Right, I saw that.
Emma Vigeland was tweeting about it.
And my point was like, look, people like mob movies because it's a window into a culture that you're just never going to experience.
But I spend most of my time tweeting about shows and movies that I like.
And nobody looks at that stuff because nobody wants to hear about the stuff that you like.
They want to hear about the stuff that you're mad about I I watch mob movies because
I just wish I lived in those uh in those cultures but it's romanticizing for sure I'm just I'm
talking about a Bronx tale you know what I mean like so it's it's far from perfect but the biker
scene I always reference that that is a good example of you treat people with respect.
You get respect and kind.
You come into someone's neighborhood to cause problems and attack people.
And that,
that community will throw you out.
That is a,
that is the type of story that resonates with people.
One of my favorite man thing.
Yeah.
Justice.
Or no,
like have you ever seen heat with Robert De Niro?
And okay.
So there's a scene during the bank heist where you've never seen.
Well,
that's,
that's your homework for the weekend.
So there is a, there's a scene when at the bank heist at the've never seen it? You've never seen it? Well, that's your homework for the weekend. So there's a scene
at the bank heist at the end
where Robert De Niro's character,
where Macaulay comes in
and he's robbing the bank
and he's talking to the people
who he's holding hostage.
He says,
he goes,
do not think about doing anything.
Your money here
is insured by the federal government.
We're not here for your money.
You're not going to lose a dime.
That's the idea
of the gentleman criminal.
Right.
And people love that idea. When Johnny Depp's Dillinger.'re not going to lose a dime. That's the idea of the gentleman criminal. And people love that idea.
When Johnny Depp's Dillinger.
I was going to say public enemies.
The gentleman criminal is the type of character that people, because you're never going to live in that world.
And it still gives you the idea of maybe I could do that.
If I was like, I'm a good person, maybe I could do that.
But they know that that's just not a world they're ever going to live in.
I guess the rumor, I don't know if it's true but he would destroy mortgage papers
yeah yeah and so a lot of people are like he was like robin hood and i'm like nah he just knew that
he'd get the public on his side because they were crossing their fingers hoping he'd destroy their
mortgage papers oh and they protected him too you know where's he at he's not here that's right
all right have you ever seen American Gangster?
That's a huge part of it.
Denzel Washington.
And they talk about Bumpy Johnson giving out turkeys at Thanksgiving.
That was a big part of the allure of those types of stories.
People should watch Stander.
I'm sure Serge knows all about Stander.
Yeah, he does.
He's nodding.
He knows.
Andre Stander.
He was a police captain and then turned into a bank robber, so he's like their Dillinger.
That movie with, what's his face?
Who's the actor?
Who played the Punisher?
John Bernthal?
No, no.
The first film like 20 years ago.
From the Highlander?
That dude.
No.
Of course.
I get Max Headroom off air.
I get Matt Frewer off air
But now I'm blanking here
What was the guy
What year?
1997? Punisher film
What year, 1987? No, no, like 2000 something
Tom Jane
Oh, Thomas Jane, okay
Yeah, Tom Jane plays Andre Stander
And that movie's amazing, and then you hear the story about this guy
Dude, it's Jane plays Andre Stander, and that movie's amazing. And then you hear the story about this guy.
Dude, it's amazing.
So Stander, the Stander gang, they rob a bank.
As they're leaving the bank with all the money they stole, they're listening to the radio.
And on the radio, they have an interview, a report with the manager who says,
fortunately, the bank missed the safe that was hidden behind a painting.
So they slam the brakes, turn around and go back to the bank.
The cops have left.
They walk up, knock on the door.
The guy opens, sorry, we're closed.
And he points the gun, remember me.
And then they go and rob the safe that they missed.
Dude, he broke into prison to break his friends out.
And that's like, dude, the story's wild.
I recommend it.
It was a fun movie.
It's from a while ago.
Those are the type of stories that resonate with people. And what Hollywood does now
is they try to shoehorn ideas of what?
Coastal elites like and back in the day the stories that were told were told by people that really really loved literature
And they really loved classic stories that lay like to adapt
Ma you know in a modern way now what you have is people create things for the purpose of streaming
Rather than to create great art.
They're looking to create and sell something for a quick buck to Netflix.
Well, back there in the day, just like you said, great stories.
Today's stories, they're redoing those yesterday's stories with that wokeism that we were just talking about earlier and make it into an eight series part.
Which is sad because people back in the day would
have loved that. They would have loved the idea of
being able to get long form stories
in the way that stories used to be told
but you don't get to keep that. We had them
on Monday nights
Monday night movies
and then you had
your little thorn birds and then
you had the different miniiseries and stuff.
I mean, just glorious, like big old, big old rollouts.
You know what? You know, I wonder if it's just the glory days, the golden age is over.
I mean, we had such. Well, OK, maybe I'm just crazy.
Maybe we romanticize the past. but there were a lot of movies that
were weird that are classics, like Groundhog Day is a really great example.
Yeah.
They don't make that kind of stuff anymore.
There's no money in it.
Exactly, but that's a film that everybody knows, and oh, yeah, I've seen it.
They do live, die, repeat.
Edge of Tomorrow.
Yeah, let's do the same concept of making an action movie.
I like that movie, too. But look at Mission Impossible.
I love those movies, but
they are not Groundhog Day. If someone said
you want to watch a movie and I had a choice between Mission Impossible and Groundhog Day,
I'm watching Groundhog Day. I will watch that movie five times
in a row. And hopefully they don't redo it.
Yeah, I know. They're thinking about doing it.
You will know it's over when they end up
redoing Back to the Future.
I don't know. I believe the
director said that that
is off the table because it's not going to happen but for the most part the what it is is that
streaming has killed the mid-budget movie also we don't have tony scott anymore which also sucks but
you know why they can't do back to the future sorry to interrupt but because if you went 30
years ago it would be 1994 and it would be too similar. So like from
85 to 55 was kind of a big
shift in culture.
And technology too.
Right, right. Now it's like
certainly if it went to 94, they could
be like, wow, look, people are wearing flannels
and they have holes in their jeans
but it would still be...
There's still people wearing flannels.
Exactly, that's what I mean.
Like nothing changed.
Right now, all of the movies that would have that type of creativity,
which used to go to the theaters,
which never made their money back in the theaters,
they would make their money on home video sales and DVDs
and pay VOD like pay-per-view was back in the day,
all of that now goes straight to streaming.
And let's face it, when you go to a streaming service,
you scroll past 10,000 things that you don't actually look at.
They all suck.
And there's a movie.
However, if you are looking for some hilarious nostalgia, I've not seen it yet, but I believe that there's an A24 movie
that came out yesterday or today called Y2K,
where it's the night of Y2K and it actually goes wrong
and all of the appliances come to life and kill you.
Oh, okay.
I got a question for you. It's apparently bad. What's this trend and all of the appliances come to life and kill you. Oh, okay. I got a question for you.
It's apparently bad.
What's this trend in all of these indie films
where they don't know what an ND filter is?
Have you noticed this?
As in like the lighting-wise?
Yeah, the lighting's all blown out all the time.
CGI.
Oh, no, no, no.
It depends on what we're talking about.
If it's indie films, that's just stylized low budget, right?
So they're giving them minimal budgets to do that.
But also, when we come to Marvel,
if you ever wonder why everything looks like it was filmed at permanent dusk now,
have you ever noticed that?
CGI.
Yeah, it's because it hides bad CGI.
But everything that is shot now, that's CGI.
Have you ever been outside and you're driving home,
it's too early to turn your lights on, but it's also kind of dark.
Everything is filmed
right when it's just too light
to put your lights on, but too dark
to see without them. People pointed out,
remember District 9?
How come the CGI on those aliens look so good
and it was because their exoskeletons
were meant to look hard and
plasticky? Also, what
year did it come out?
It was like 2000-something, wasn't it?
2009?
Back then, they would actually go film on physical locations.
Right.
They would actually,
so there was a movie that came out last year.
It was called The Creator.
It was made by Gareth Edwards for like $80 million.
He did it with like an entry-level pro camera.
And it looks better than like 80% of the movies that comes out right now, come out right now and better than every Marvel movie that's come out in the
last five years because he goes to physical locations in all of the space tech. Everything
is filmed in an actual physical place. So there's the matting is easier to do in post. I just ask,
how come we haven't gotten a sequel to District 9? They probably just trends.
I mean, that movie was good.
Was it really good or was it just good?
I think they're making a third Pacific Rim now, too.
Have you seen it?
Pacific Rim I would watch over and over again.
District 9 is...
I don't think I would watch District 9.
Alienship comes to Earth.
It's hovering over, what is it, like Johannesburg or something?
It's all like nasty garbage.
And so, like, these are civilian aliens with no expertise who have no idea to survive.
So they're kept in a refugee camp, basically.
And then Sharlto Copley's character finds a device, gets sprayed with it, starts turning him into one of the aliens.
And then they end up leaving at the end because there was a specialist alien who was
trying to get the ship back in order to rescue his people
and leave the planet. We need a
resolution to that story, man. I like that movie. Superheroes
have eaten up those budgets for
IP. What it is is also
it's IP, meaning that stuff
that has name recognition
is going to get made first now.
Man, it's
if they make another Transformers movie,
I swear to God.
I'm so tired.
I will watch it,
and I will love every second of it.
Really?
Look, I gotta be honest.
Transformers 1 was good, though.
I will watch anything Michael Davis.
I sat there,
and I watched it with my daughter
a couple weeks ago.
She came home from college.
She was like,
just watch it with me.
I didn't think it was gonna be good.
Transformers 1 is good.
It's good.
Look, I will watch Mission Impossible movies,
even if Tom Cruise is in a wheelchair the whole time.
Those movies are fun.
But they're not great masterpieces.
It's chocolate cake.
I know what I'm getting with it.
I'll have a slice.
It's fine.
I don't eat chocolate cake, by the way.
But okay, it's a nice serving of ahi tuna tartare.
Okay.
I know what I'm going to get.
It tastes great.
It's awesome.
But it's not that magical moment.
It's just another meal that I had.
Actually, a better example is if it's like a lettuce-wrapped cheeseburger.
He's got to be running in all of them.
I still think that Michael Bay—
In a wheelchair, like, rrrr.
He will do that, right?
Like, up into his 80s.
I hope he does.
That'd be amazing.
I'm not even joking.
But Michael Bay is like,
there's a reason why it works, right?
It's because he's got the swelling music,
tons of military porn all over set, right?
Slow motion, 360 camera shots,
and it's meant to be seen on the big screen.
I will watch all of those,
at least, okay, not all of them.
I'll watch the first three Transformers movies anytime you put them on,
even if they're bad.
What's the one that he did
with Ryan Reynolds, Michael Bay?
It was on Netflix.
Oh, Six Underground.
Let me tell you something.
That was Transformers without Transformers.
Yeah, it was.
I mean, with that big magnet that-
That was one of the biggest budgets
ever given to a movie in the early days.
And it was great,
and they should have came out with another one.
I don't think it was very well received.
I know, but I mean,
all that action that was...
Just go watch The Rock.
That's what I was telling people the other day.
Go watch The Rock with Sean Connery.
Oh man, that's good too.
That's good too.
I listed just the other day,
because I thought it was funny, I listed the cast to it,
and all of them are successful.
It's like this long, the amount of people in that movie.
Did you hear about how The Rock was attached to Sean Connery's James Bond?
Yeah, there's the theory that it's another James Bond movie.
Yeah, it's connected.
How he disappeared for so long.
Yeah, I love Ed Harris, Sean Connery, all of those people. it is connected how how yeah how he disappeared for so long and yeah yeah yeah i love like ed
harris sean connery all of those people it's just it's amazing somebody said that district 10
is is coming okay but the last door i see is from march of 2020 of this year yeah and it's like
maybe when what year did the original come out? 2009.
I mean, there's the possibility that they could end up making another one.
I don't think that that's an unre... I mean, it's a long period of time, but it's not out of the question.
I mean, it's been a long time.
And I feel like it was still kind of a niche movie, right?
It wasn't some big blockbuster.
I would like to see it.
But I also heard that it got its start because it was initially him attempting Halo stuff.
Maybe.
Is that the case?
Someone super chatted that it was originally supposed to be the Halo movie.
They're making 28 years later.
I'm down for that.
Yeah.
I'm just saying, if we're talking time periods between movies, 28 years later just got finished.
I remember the first time I watched 28 Days Later and my friend was telling me to watch it
and they're like, yeah, but the zombies can run.
And I was like, what?
Zombies don't run. They're like, yeah.
But in this they do.
That's way scarier.
What was scary about, like, I remember watching
the original Night of the Living Dead and I'm like, what is scary
about this? You just walk past them.
Well, no, it's the same concept of like you watch
any horror movie, right?
And like Michael Myers is just walking
and have you ever seen the parody skits
where they're running and he's just walking
and he's still right behind you?
You have no idea how that works.
There's a funny tweet where someone was like, what do mummies do?
You know, like a werewolf will kill you or bite you
and make you aware of a vampire will drain your blood.
What do mummies do if they get you?
That's true, that's true. I have, what do mummies do if they get you?
That's true, that's true.
I have no idea.
The mummy's trying to get you, and then what?
I mean, all I remember back when I was a little kid watching the mummy is like,
ah, don't let him catch you.
But you're right, it's like...
Why?
What do mummies do?
I have no idea.
They just...
Well, I mean, like, with Brendan Fraser,
he grabs you and then goes...
and sucks your flesh into his body. That's scary. Now that's scary. If that's what mummies did, I would, like, with Brendan Fraser, he grabs you and then goes, and sucks your flesh into his body.
That's scary.
Now that's scary.
If that's what mummies did, I would run from them.
Right now, I'm just genuinely don't know.
I don't know why.
I don't know why I'm supposed to be scared of you other than you're dusty and old.
That's funny.
It's like skeletons aren't scary.
They weigh very little and would fall apart with relative ease.
And they shake, rattle, and roll a little bit.
But then, yeah. The skeletons from Jason and the Argon shake, rattle, and roll a little bit. Yeah.
The skeletons from Jason and the Argonauts were scary,
but that was because they had swords.
We were talking about doing short films that just fix movies,
and I was like, one that everybody always talks about doing
that we should do is like, it's Indiana Jones,
but when he gets this like, you know,
the thing that kicks off his adventure in the Ark of the Covenant,
he just says, I'll pass.
And then it just jumps to the end scene, as it exactly would have happened no matter what, with the adventure in the Ark of the Covenant, he just says, I'll pass. And then it just jumps to the end scene
as it exactly would have happened
no matter what with the Nazis finding the Ark
and then all dying and then that's it.
Like whether he does it or not,
it's a three minute long movie.
The movie's over in 10 minutes.
So have you seen that scene in Scary Movie
when he's running up the stairs after
and she keeps throwing stuff down at him
and finally hits him with a P?
Right, right, yeah.
They're making another scary movie, too.
They should.
Oh, man.
Like, scary movie was good, and then they kept making all of those movies, like epic
movie and superhero movie, and it's like, just stop.
But it made money, and the budgets were dirt, and they were like, look, people laugh at
things they've seen before.
Whether it's a joke or not, you need be like spider-man's upside down and everyone
laughs like comedies used to be the other way that you could make money on a small budget but now
it's pretty much just horror is the only genre that you know costs very little with strong return
if i if i see one more movie where the description of the movie is a mother and her child must combat
a mysterious force i'm going to throw the remote at the TV at the house.
They've moved into.
Exactly.
That's exact.
I'm on Amazon and I'm like,
shut her.
Let's go.
And it's like a mother and her child moved to a new home.
And what are these people live in the city,
please?
Like they're all that.
And then I saw the,
um,
you said that Mel Gibson movie that came out,
I think it was this year where he's old man Carruthers.
You haven't seen this one?
Well, I'll watch anything Mel Gibson because The Patriot is the greatest movie of all time.
And Lethal Weapon.
Also great.
And so I watched it, and the description was literally like,
a kid must fight a mysterious force.
And I'm like, they always do.
Yeah.
And it was like, I give the movie a C-, but Mel Gibson's in it, so that's an A+.
What's one movie that
you would watch, that you
could watch all weekend?
The Patriot. The Patriot.
Have you seen it? Oh, yeah.
I will put that movie on repeat
and just stare at it. I will
not blink. I like the villain in there.
You know.
You!
How's the boy? Did he die know that i mean i i who played the the villain it was um what's his face uh i don't know i'd have to sever a
snape oh no no he's not alan rickman no he's not snake i'm sorry he's uh he's uh malfoy he's lucius
malfoy uh oh i don't know that actor's name oh come, come on. It's super. How come I'm forgetting this guy's name?
He played Norma Gittin, too.
It was Jason Isaacs.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jason Isaacs.
Oh, man.
The Oa.
That was a terrible show.
But mine that I go to sleep with this almost every night is Crimson Tide with Denzel Washington
and Gene Hackman.
Yep.
I cannot get over how great those two actors shared the screen like that.
But with the tension going back and forth, the military style.
I mean, you're talking about a nuclear submarine underwater, mutiny.
I mean, the changing command going back and forth a couple of times.
Everybody's questioning this.
It's like, wow, this is crazy.
What movie do you guys think I've seen more than any other movie?
What would your guess be?
Oh, I have no idea.
I wish I had time to think about this.
I don't think you're going to be able to guess, but I'm just curious.
What movie do you think I have watched more than any other movie?
I have no idea.
The Notebook.
The Dark Knight.
That's a great movie.
Not only is it a great movie, but when I lived in L.A., I shared a studio apartment.
How long ago was this?
13 years ago?
I shared a studio apartment with my friend, and so there was a closet that was six feet long and three feet wide and it's a studio so it's like hey i'm sleeping in there and so it had an it was like
it was like no it's like four feet wide so i had my laptop i had one dvd the dark night night and
i like watching tv as i fall asleep yeah so i i think i've seen the dark night over a hundred
times because every night i'd get home i'd put the dark night on and play it and then lay down
and i would watch the Dark Knight
every single night.
That's what I do with Crimson Tide.
I mean, there are times when I hear the music
while I'm dreaming,
and I'm hearing certain military-type stuff,
and there I am in the military once again.
Oh, yeah.
I used to put on Adult Swim
when I would fall asleep, and then I would always have dreams
where I was hanging out with the Scooby gang, and we'd be solving mysteries.
It'd be the weirdest dreams, but it's because Scooby-Doo's on.
You ever try to put that back on now and recapture that?
I would do that, too, but it would always be like C-Lab would be on.
Yeah.
C-Lab 2021 and stuff.
I'm watching C-Lab and the Family Guy reruns and, like, um...
Alpha Teen Hunger Force, whatever.
Aqua Teen, but then what was the other one?
Brack.
Brack Show.
Brack Show was good, yeah.
But anyway, when you fall asleep, eventually it turns back into regular Cartoon Network.
Yeah.
And so by the time I'm starting to wake up, I'm hearing Scooby-Doo.
And so, in my mind, I'm, like, running with Scoob and the gang.
You know, I'm having this dream where we're, like, solving a mystery and everything everything and then I wake up and Scooby-Doo's on it was it's a
Wild running with Scoob and the gang. That's right, man. Those are the best dreams. I've ever experienced
I've seen Batman begins more than the Dark Knight. I prefer Batman begins. I've only seen it like two times
I've seen Dark Knight like over a hundred times. As far as being a comic book movie,
the way the Narrows were designed
in Batman Begins feels much
more akin to an actual comic book film, whereas
the Dark Knight is much more of a crime thriller.
But both of them are very, very
good. And I don't think that the Dark Knight Rises
is as bad as people say.
Just not as good as the other two.
People say that it's bad?
That was filmed during Occupy, so we were down there.
And they like, I forget, I don't know if it was directly during Occupy, but I remember it was around that time.
And the activists were asking the people making it, like, what's going on?
What's it about?
And they were all like, you guys are going to love this movie.
Which is funny.
But no, but it's messed up because Bane is manipulating the popular sentiment to destroy and try and blow up the city.
I'm like, why would they like this?
No, they wouldn't.
There's really great...
I think they might.
There's really great documentaries or video essays that have been done about the political philosophy of Christopher Nolan as it relates to The Dark Knight Rises.
And he says that his favorite scene that he's ever shot is the airplane scene at the very beginning.
When Bane pulls them from one plane to the other.
I mean, that was a cool scene.
That was a cool scene.
I did really like the Nolan Batman films for things like that.
That was cool.
And in the dark night when he does the sky hook.
That's awesome.
And come on.
When the Joker makes the pencil disappear.
Yeah.
So dominant.
Gone!
Well, that's apparently the line where he says, you think you can just steal from us and walk away?
And he says, yeah.
That was ad-libbed.
Oh, really?
That wasn't supposed to be there.
If you look in the script, it's not in there.
He just said it because he felt like it was in character.
Yeah.
Yeah, dude.
So good.
Boy, this one is like, let's not lose our head, you know?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What does he say? Blow? Or something like that? Out of know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What does he say?
Blow or something like that?
Out of proportion.
Yeah, and he's got his thumb on the grenades.
Man, that was very well done.
And the crazy thing is anybody who is smart knows that he's the good guy.
Joker is the good guy in that film.
I mean, Joker is the good guy, but it doesn't mean that Batman was the bad guy.
No, Batman was the bad guy.
Have you guys seen the essays on this one?
The video essays where people have broken this down?
You've got a city that is so vile with crime that the League of Assassins are trying to just murder everybody and destroy it.
And so the police can't be trusted.
The system is bringing no justice it's only when a violent wealthy vigilante goes around beating
the crap out of people with his bare hands does anything start to change but only results in
escalation the joker gets rid of the mob and the vigilante by the end of the dark night he's gotten
rid of the corrupt psychopathic da that everyone thought was good but was actually a murderous
lunatic he's gotten rid of the dangerous vigilante and he's gotten rid of all of the mafia.
You could make the argument that he created the dangerous lunatic given the,
but the,
the,
the,
I think the,
the,
well,
the point in the,
in these like essay exposes was like Harvey Dent appears to be a boy scout,
but when put under pressure quickly turns to villainy and murder.
And the point was,
should he sit in power for too long,
he would have been exposed to that degree of pressure
that the Joker put him under,
and he would have become a corrupt DA.
So the Joker's whole plan was basically clean sweep,
and he did what the League of Assassins could not do.
And then Dark Knight Rises,
Batman's retired and the mob is gone.
How do you ever explain those knee implants?
The knee braces that just
magically fix his knees? I want those.
Just like boning hands. I was like, what is
squeezing your knees really tight with metal
to fix that? Destroy that wall.
God damn, man.
I wish I had that for my military knee.
I thought it was funny how they made Catwoman a cat
by having her goggles go up and it looked like ears.
I'm like, ha ha.
Very funny.
I get it.
All right, everybody.
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It's Friday.
We're chilling.
You know, life is good.
It's December.
Everybody's just counting down the days until we can get to Christmas.
Best time of the year.
The New Year's.
Man, let's go.
All right.
Polly Pure says, am I first?
You are.
You win.
You can now call yourself doctor.
That's the award.
The deplorable Mrs. Drake says,
Anna Kasparian had an hour-long sit-down with Glenn Beck.
That will be out tomorrow on YouTube.
Should be interesting.
Happy Friday night to all from Indiana.
Indiana is very based.
We like Indiana.
Let's go.
Kyle Ann says, would you allow someone to open a TimCast coffee shop in Texas?
Indeed.
More updates to come.
Can't say much for now.
But our mission and our plan is we'd love very much to have 10,000 Casper locations all over the planet.
And I think we're doing well.
We need a Casper energy drink.
That's what I was telling Phil earlier.
I was like, I can't drink coffee.
Yeah, well, so, I mean, we've been discussing that.
It's not so easy.
Look, this is one of the challenges that we have here.
If I was solely focused as a CEO on one thing, we'd have the biggest coffee shop chain.
We'd have the biggest energy drink company.
We work around protein bars.
We just can't get these things off the ground because
I don't have time to manage all of these projects
and do these shows. But we do have some
plans, and I think we can figure something out, so we'll get there.
Let's go!
Grofty says, Phil may
not know me, but I know the buck, buck, buck
chickens know that.
Did you guys hear that shocking report
about Pete Hegseth? That he only has
21 chickens. Good grief.
Yeah.
His mom was on Fox News and she said that, you know, they have someone taking care of
21 chickens.
And I was, I was aghast.
Those rookie numbers.
I know.
Pump those numbers.
I'm supposed to trust him to be secretary of defense and he only has 21.
He doesn't even have a dance party.
I bet he hasn't even seen Chicken City.
Unreal.
No, I'm kidding.
21 is actually a pretty base number.
My co-host, my co-host Jason Robinson talked about Chicken City a lot.
He was like, oh my God.
And he just loves all of you.
Chickens are awesome.
But yeah, he was like, man, y'all, you need to see it.
And they got this compound and they got Chicken City.
The chickens do live better than I do.
If you give a $5 Super Chat to Chicken City, it will dispense mealworms and they'll all come running.
And then every time $100 comes in, a party starts.
And then it sprays tons of mealworms and plays dance party music.
It's like with us, but without the mealworms.
That's right.
Well, that's actually where we got the idea for Pop Culture Crisis.
So we had chickens, and I was like, can we set something up with a live stream to where people can give money so that it feeds them?
And then we were like, we can't do the actual food because they need to eat food all day.
But we can do treats like mealworms.
And so then Chris, my brother, built the system out.
And then we were like, why don't we actually do that on a show?
And so with Pop Culture Crisis, every time you give money, it shoots money in there.
It shoots money guns.
There should be a separate live stream where they can watch the money getting cleaned up at the end.
Yeah.
Because you have to clean it up.
Don't you have to reload it periodically too?
Oh, yeah.
Half my job is pushing button, pushing button, check stream, check stream.
I'm doing this. I'm filling stream. I'm like doing this.
I'm filling money.
I'm doing all this stuff all at one time and trying to actually keep my focus on the conversation.
I mean, this is really cool.
There are automatic.
I don't even know how Chris built this, but there's automatic money guns at the Pop Culture Crisis set.
And when you super chat a comment, it shoots $20, fake $20 bills, right?
Oh, yes.
No, they're not real.
Oh, OK.
I don't know.
Maybe that would be like five grand
and 20s there have been times where like people are they hundreds they're both there's 20s and
100s so when we have guests from outside the company we have them sign hundred dollar bills
but um there have been times where like people would come up because back in the old studio we
were up in the top of the of the house and there would like be hvac people that would come up there
and they'd see just stacks of money and i'd be be like, it's not real. We're not nuts. Like we're either nuts or we're the most like.
So, well, so someone had a stack of prop money where like the first five bills on both sides
are fake bills and the middle's all just notepad paper. Like you buy them in stacks and it looks
like real money. It says a million dollars. Apparently, one of the cleaners found one
and then wrote a note and put it on the counter
being like, we found this.
We wanted to make sure you guys knew where it was.
And we were like,
it says like for Hollywood productions
or something on it.
But hey, we really respected those cleaners.
Yeah, it was very nice.
It'd be funny if they stole it.
I mean, I always wonder,
did anybody ever just take any and try to use it?
Oh, I bet they did.
Yeah, and we have the Alex Jones' right jar.
Yep.
And we originally put fake money in it because it's a joke,
but then people started putting real money in it.
Oh, wow.
There's a picture of blackface Trudeau in there as well.
There is.
There is.
I don't know why.
Oh, wow.
Let's go.
What do we got here?
We'll grab some super chats.
I'm not your buddy guy says the left and the west have gone
evil it's unfortunate but true does that mean every leftist is evil no as well does it mean
everyone on the right is good no however this is a spiritual war yeah i i think that the left is
pretty evil generally they kind of have inverted the things that they look at as good are what generally are considered evil.
They don't believe that they don't believe that there is that children can be innocent.
They don't believe that people that have committed crimes need to be punished or they don't believe that punishing crimes prevents more crimes.
I mean, they you can go down the whole gamut.
Like, during the election, during the run to the election, Kamala Harris was advertising,
hey, we'll save your pornography.
Hey, you should lie to your spouse.
Hey, we'll go ahead and make sure that you can kill your baby.
Those were three major things that the kamala harris campaign was running on i mean if there if evil exists i think that those three things count as evil the thing is
and this is growing up in a in a my parents were civil rights activists back in the 60s and 70s
so uh but in growing up most of the people
that I knew I mean I was a
Democrat you know I don't
and I didn't consider myself evil
I was just a Democrat and
for the church people that I went to church
with they were Democrats that
people that used to
watch us as kids
babysitters they were Democrats
we didn't see them as evil.
I don't consider Democrats leftists.
Okay, okay, okay.
I got you.
Democrats are not leftists.
You split.
Yeah.
Leftists are different than Democrats.
Progressives and leftists are not the same thing as Democrats.
You can be a liberal and be a Democrat.
You can believe in the fundamental principles that be a liberal and be a democrat you can believe in the fundamental
principles that make america america and be a democrat you can believe that the government
should be doing things to help people that are in in bad uh um bad situations and stuff and be
and and not be a leftist the leftists take advantage of the democrats and the people that are concerned with the problems of oppressed people
and people that are suffering, working class people.
They take advantage of that to access power.
Do you have that same split on the right?
I don't think that the right is the same as the left, no.
I think that for a long time the United United States was considered a center right country. And everyone's everyone outside of the United States
would say everyone in the United States is on the right or almost everyone in the United States is
on the right. And that's because things like property, you if you think it's OK to own property,
that is a right leaning ideal. And if you think that owning property is a bad thing, that is a leftist idea.
And so most Americans think it's okay to own your home and it's okay to own property. And if you
have a business, and this is different than having multinational corporations and stuff,
but if you own a business, you are entitled to dispose of the profits from your business,
however you see fit.
These are generally normal things that people on the right
and people that are considered Republicans and Democrats have basically,
for the entire time that the United States has been a country,
up until only very recently, the vast, vast majority, 95% of America, believe that.
Now there is a stronger, there's a larger portion of leftists who think
that owning property is immoral, right? Think that it's okay to kill CEOs of big companies
because they are hurting people just by being CEOs of big companies. Think that it's okay
to expropriate the property of people that have a lot of property because they think it's immoral to have a lot of property.
So the leftists, in my estimation, are different than people that would be considered Democrats or on the right.
I mean, for me, because I've been on both sides.
I know both sides.
I mean, I see evil on both sides for me um and where it comes to even where
like when i left the democrat party in 2007 you know i used to wonder why the why republicans
wouldn't talk to uh uh, urban communities.
Why?
Because they won't listen to us.
Well, that's bullshit.
I mean, when I
came over, I remember the people in Chicago
was like, y'all need to come talk to us.
We're ready for a change.
Y'all need to come talk to us.
GOP didn't want to, you know,
the GOP didn't want to make that move.
But then there are other things that I have seen along the years.
I'm like, wow, this thing is, and it's not the voters.
It's the stuff that's happening in D.C., you know.
When I went and served in the military i'm like i ain't going for the
people in dc i'm doing it for the american people you know i for me i wake up in the morning i go
to bed and i don't like nobody in dc i don't like nobody fair enough they all kiss my ass i don't
like none of them and have you noticed that they all wear north face too you notice that i don't like none of them. Have you noticed that they all wear North Face too?
Mm-hmm.
You notice that?
I don't like DC at all.
But it's like you want to at least reach out and talk to people.
And I always said I was at the RNC one time,
and I was talking to Rince Priebus when he was in charge,
and I was like, listen,
have you ever thought about having a family
day?
Like at the convention?
No, just in communities.
Have you ever thought about having a family
day? Don't go in there just
talking politics. Just go in there
family. This is what we're doing.
You know about our Saturday morning cartoons
idea? We-hmm.
We want to do these coffee shops, the Casper Coffee Shops, Saturday mornings at like 6 or 7 a.m.
We do a catered breakfast.
Families come.
And then the kids hang out.
There's cartoons playing.
Exactly.
And it's like cartoons that we choose and are vetted to be not crazy.
Yep.
So I made it easy.
I was like, bent key.
We're going to be like, and then the idea is in the morning, neighbors get to know each other.
Yep.
You get to build community with families and the kids get to make friends and it builds that communal structure.
That's it.
I hope we'll get there one day.
You know, it's just a lot of work.
It's heavy lifting.
Yep.
But I'm confident.
We got big updates coming.
We got big news.
Sounds good.
Let's grab some more superchats.
We got live free or die says, anarcharchoTyranny, a.k.a. Partial Law.
Hey, Phil, did you see that Jason won Guitarist of the Year in Nick Nocturnal's Medal Awards show today?
I'm not surprised.
Jason's great.
There you go.
Law of Self-Defense says, can't believe Tim didn't call Law of Self-Defense for my take on this.
Love you, Tim.
We should have, but we don't do calls.
We should just say, have you come down?
Maybe we should figure something out.
Let me look who's on the roster
for next week.
Yeah, I don't know. Maybe we should figure something out so we can
have you come in opine on
what's currently going on. This would be
interesting. We'll talk to
Bookin about it.
Let's go. Jacob Holly says,
Reddit has gone absolutely nuts.
Star Trek subreddits are even celebrating the CEO's ending.
I called it out and reported it to the site admin.
I was immediately banned.
And the response I got was one word, good, absolutely sick.
Dude, this is crazy stuff.
And what I'm saying is,
I'm hoping that this shift that we've seen with Trump and everything
is strong enough to suppress these
effing psychopaths. Because my fear is it is pervasive how insane they were. And I'm hoping
that we just, you know, put a stop in it and we now have to start reversing it. My view is I'm
optimistic we're heading in the right direction, but we are far from done. We need a culture that
says we're not going to tolerate this. They keep saying, we better be worried about cancel culture on the right.
And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.
Cancel culture on the left was your dad swore in the 80s, so we're firing you from your job.
That literally happened.
A racer lost a sponsor because his dad said a racial slur in the 80s.
That's insane.
Yeah.
Cancel culture is, we know the joke you said in 2010 was acceptable then, but you're fired now.
Cancel culture is not
far leftist advocating for and calling for death and engaging in terrorism and us being like you
shouldn't have a job at this company so i'm okay if these people are advocating for death and murder
and terrorism for us to be like you are going to be canceled for that i think that's fine i always look at it as pandora's box too i mean the lid has to be closed for for
all the stuff that you were just talking about we got to close that lid we got to close the door
and then we got to deal with what we have you know we hear so many times we need to go back
never gonna go back never gonna go back back because the apple has been bitten.
We have seen where we are right now.
We have to adapt.
Military-wise, we have to adapt now.
We have to straighten out this.
But it's never going to go back because of all the stuff that has come out.
That's what I think.
All right.
Grofty says, Phil needs some buck, buck, buck in his life.
Brought to you by Grofty.
What?
I don't know.
I mean, Phil, how many chickens do you have?
Well, I don't have any more chickens.
I had chickens until one of my tenants burnt the chicken coop down.
Whoa.
Yeah.
Wow.
And so your chickens were left homeless?
No, they probably burnt alive.
And did you eat them?
No.
You know what?
There was a Netflix show about a group of chicken owners that they were making a whole lot of money with their chicken farms. But there was somebody in that community, while they were asleep and whatnot, they were going around and turning up the temperature in the...
To kill the chickens?
To kill the chickens, yeah.
That's a capital.
This was because the guy didn't clean the place properly
and there was a short in the
cable to keep
the water heater.
It was like February or something like that.
Chickens are chill, man.
They walk around, they poop where they stand,
and they make funny noises.
And there's this great meme, it's a 4chan post,
where a guy says he was basically bored and depressed,
and then one day his neighbors bought chickens.
They're not supposed to own chickens,
but he didn't mind so much.
And then he said, comes home from work,
and he sees them walking around, making funny sounds,
and he chuckles.
Now he wakes up in the morning, and he watches, and he smiles,
and all of a sudden he's feeling
better.
And I'm like, I'm telling you, I firmly believe that if someone is looking at chickens but
still claims to be depressed, they are lying for attention.
Because I don't know how you look at those things and you don't laugh at them.
They're so dumb and silly.
They are dumb.
I know, but there's a reason why humans like chickens.
They're good though.
I know.
Not only are their bodies the most delicious meat, but they produce eggs from their butts.
And then you cook them like, chickens are great.
They're dumb.
They're very dumb.
But, you know, we selected for them.
Trivia for you guys.
Chickens were not domesticated for eggs.
What?
Yeah.
Humans did not domesticate chickens for their eggs. They were domesticated for eggs what yeah humans did not domesticate chickens for
their eggs they were domesticated for cockfighting yeah really yeah the asian guinea fowl i think it
was called and so uh they saw that they saw the the roosters basically would fight when you put
them together and they were like hey this is funny and so but then what happens is when people
started trading them around laughing at the roosters fighting each other and having cockfights, when when when Europe realized, hey, these birds lay an egg every single day because it used to be like, hey, I found some eggs.
Good fortune. We can eat them with chickens. You get a bunch of eggs every day. They were like, this is incredible.
And then chickens became a very important animal because they give you food every day. Yeah.
And chickens are based.
Let's go.
All right.
Sooner Mouse says, any chance you guys are getting a blockchain crypto expert on soon?
Trump picked a pro crypto person to head the SEC so the industry may take off soon.
Charles Hoskinson is who I'd recommend.
Love the show, everyone.
We have Max and Stacey on periodically, and they were supposed to come on a couple months ago,
but something ended up happening.
And they're very busy down in El Salvador,
but we're good friends and we're big fans.
So it would be great to have them on sometime.
I'm going to say this.
Apparently, the rumor is right now that Donald Trump just bought, like, what,
like $5 million worth of Ethereum
and already owns, apparently,
millions of dollars of Ethereum more.
Now, I don't know if that's true,
and I ain't going to give anybody advice on no finance or anything like that,
but I would just estimate, I would assume,
if Donald Trump is buying Ethereum,
and he's going to be president,
and he appointed a crypto czar,
I feel like they're going to want Ethereum to increase in value in some capacity,
or Trump expects it to, and that's why he's buying it.
I mean, somebody told him something yep his crypto guy said trump when you get in we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna to the moon to the moon just the fact that he's a pro crypto you know has
is gonna have a pro crypto administration is gonna do great things for the for the whole fintech
and he wasn't on board at first wasn't he i don't think so i don't think he was ever anti
but uh oh actually yeah i think early in the days he was saying the dollar at first, wasn't he? I don't think so. I don't think he was ever anti.
But, oh, actually, yeah, I think early in the days he was saying the dollar's better, we don't want it.
But now he's turned around and, you know, he's good.
If he launches a Bitcoin reserve for the United States, which is very smart and should be done,
Bitcoin goes up to, what, half a million?
Some ridiculous number?
Because the United States Bitcoin reserve is not going to be a couple hundred million dollars.
It's going to be probably billions.
Yeah.
I don't know.
What's the gold reserve for the United States?
Probably zero, right?
Nothing anymore.
They're guarding nothing.
8,134 metric tons.
Wow.
Yo, that is nuts. let's let's convert that 8 000 tons is this isn't a ton at 2700 today i believe let's see so it's uh 523 billion dollars
in gold reserves wow that's right's, I mean, that's...
Right, so could you imagine if he said,
we're going to put $250 billion,
half of our gold reserves into Bitcoin?
I mean, that's a massive movement.
The current price cap, market cap of Bitcoin
is like $2 trillion.
I mean, you know, it's not like the government
can't just print up the money to buy it, too.
They'll do something like that but
if he wants to launch a reserve and he goes in that direction he could he could end up pumping
bitcoin by 20 instantly oh yeah so not 500 000 but it could jump to 120 as soon as he does it
that's wild did you hear that um uh putin was behind bitcoin he probably is yeah it's it's
amazing it's really funny too because uh remember that story where Max Kaiser offered Alex Jones 10,000 Bitcoin,
and Alex was like, I don't know what you're talking about, Max.
It's a true story.
Wow.
He was trying to give him 10,000 Bitcoin.
Just give it to him?
But back then it wasn't worth that much, so Alex was like, Max, I don't know what you're talking about.
Sure, I appreciate it, whatever, and then just never followed him up on it.
Well, they'd have taken it
from him anyways. No, but
in all seriousness,
you always got to mention, anybody who had
a thousand Bitcoin ten years ago would have sold it
seven years ago. Probably. The moment it
jumped to $10,000, they'd be like,
I'm selling this.
When it took that huge dip down to $30,000
from $60,000. Now it's at 100 yeah it's
over i mean it went to 20 and then it got down to three thousand dollars yep yeah it's the it's the
the wave so now i i would imagine it like it it i don't know where it's going to top out it's going
to stabilize so you think this but it's not it's going to happen on this wave. I don't I think we're going to start seeing stable growth and it's going to turn into something akin to the stocks where you see a 5 percent growth each year or something like this.
Considering that the havings that happen, the havings where it becomes harder and harder to produce Bitcoin, that's going to usually cause a spike.
I I don't know. I'm not an economist. You know,
I don't know. But I do kind of feel like that we're moving past the point of collapsibility
in Bitcoin. I think once now that's over 100,000 with Trump talking about it, the U.S. government
getting involved, all these other governments getting involved, we're getting to the point
where people are not going to want to offload it so dramatically.
And it's going to be treated much more as a ubiquitous asset and, you know, like hard commodity of some sort.
In which case, the growth will be stable.
And I guess the bad news for most people is you may have missed the train.
I don't see a reality where you get these massive gains.
It's kind of crazy.
Look, I bought Bitcoin 10 years ago or whatever.
It was around $1,000 or so.
I bought a bunch of it.
I don't know if we're going to see gains like that possible.
I don't know.
It's tough.
Well, it's not going to be like yours.
No, but maybe I could be wrong.
I think in 10 years, it could be a million dollars.
Yeah, if it goes to a million, it's not the same as yours. Right, and so you don't need to spend $100,000 right now on a Bitcoin,
but that's still only a 10X return. Yeah. So for me,
I'm looking at like a 73X return on, you know, 10 years ago. As it gets bigger and bigger,
people can still buy smaller fractions of Bitcoin. I just think we're getting to a stability period
where it's going to be ubiquitous and it's going to find its equilibrium.
What if you're just putting a little bit in each paycheck to it, you know, dollar cost averaging?
I'm going to say this, dude.
If I could go back in time, I wouldn't bring the lottery numbers with me.
I would just have my direct deposit be split between Bitcoin and dollars.
Yeah.
Because it's funny because a couple of years ago we were talking about, should we give people a portion of their paychecks in Bitcoin?
That sounds like a good idea.
Yeah, let's look into it.
And then we never did.
And I know everybody who works here would have wished we did.
Because they'd be looking at a 3x return on whatever they got paid.
Who's in football?
Odell Beckham did his in Bitcoin a couple years ago.
And now, you know, everybody's talking about now he looks smart.
Or where it is right now versus what?
How many years ago?
It's like three, three, like three or four years ago.
Wouldn't it have been like right after like it hit 15, like when Russia invaded Ukraine and it dipped really far?
I remember when it was at 70 cents.
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