Timcast IRL - Democrat FEDERALLY INDICTED For Obstructing ICE Agents In Chicago w/ Cliff Maloney & Judge Pat Dugan
Episode Date: October 30, 2025Tim, Seamus, & Brett are joined by Judge Pat Dugan & Cliff Maloney to discuss Gen Z Democrat candidate for congress indicted for obstructing ICE, a liberal podcaster suggesting killing conservatives, ...Biden FBI's "enemies list" being exposed, and the Pentagon ordering the establishment of a Quick Reaction Force to combat civil unrest. Hosts: Tim @Timcast (everywhere) Seamus @FreedomToons | http://twistedplots.com/ Brett @PopCultureCrisis (YouTube) Serge @SergeDotCom (everywhere) Guests: Judge Pat Dugan @Duganforda (X) Cliff Maloney @Maloney (X)
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She is, I guess you'd call her far left or whatever you want to call it.
And anti-ice was seen on video engaged in, let's just call it, raucous protest where she got
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Pat Dugan.
Hey, thanks for having me.
I'm Pat Dugan, Judge Pat Dugan running for district attorney in the city of Philadelphia.
I'm running against a Soros-backed anarchists who coddles criminals.
I have a website, Judge Dugan for DA.com, and I am, I'm calling myself a unicorn.
I'm a registered Democrat.
I am the Republican nominee.
I am endorsed by independents from the Forward Party.
I am running as a Philadelphia.
I'm truly not worried about politics on either side.
I'm only worried about the victims and the rule of law in Philadelphia
and the Soros back candidate, Krasner, is not.
For a few years, we were in Woodbury and New Jersey,
so we're just on the other side, and we would do business in Philly.
And we had some run-ins with some far leftists,
and we had to experience that.
It's going to be great to hear your insights and what your plans are.
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but we got a lot to get into. How you doing, Seamus?
My name is Seamus Coglin.
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So if you see as, okay, anyway, let's go to the news.
We got this from the AP.
Democratic congressional candidate Kat Abu Ghazela
indicted over ICE protests outside Chicago.
And for those of you that saw the thumbnail on this episode of Timcast, IRO,
that's a real photo that she posted of her,
and she is running for office.
And I'm sure there's going to be a bunch of thirsty young guys
that are like, I don't care about politics.
They're going to vote for it.
Guys, she's not going to date you.
It's just not going to happen.
Anyway, here's a story.
A Democratic congressional candidate in Illinois is being accused,
has been accused of blocking a federal agent's vehicle during September protest outside an immigration enforcement building in suburban Chicago,
according to court documents unsealed Wednesday.
The felony indictment filed last week by a special grand jury charges Catabougasel and five others of conspiring to impede an officer.
Quote, this is a political prosecution and a gross attempt at silencing dissent, a right-protect under the first.
Amendment. Actually, if they're going to quote her, I'll just play the video straight from her.
And this is her response. My name is Katabagazzale. I'm running for Congress in the 9th District
of Illinois. And the Department of Justice is charging six people, including myself, with federal
crimes for exercising our First Amendment rights near ICE's Broadview Processing Center.
I just got to pause because I don't let them just lie. No, it's because you obstructed law
enforcement, which you're not allowed to do, but continue. This is a political prosecution.
It's not.
And a gross attempt to silence dissent.
No.
A right protected under the First Amendment.
It's not.
This case is a major push by the Trump administration to criminalize protest and punish anyone
who speaks out against them.
That's why I'm going to fight these unjust charges.
But I need your help to do it.
As I and others have exercised our First Amendment rights, ICE has hit, dragged, thrown, shot with
pepper balls, and tear gassed hundreds of protesters.
Simply because we had the gall to say that masked men,
coming into our communities, abducting our neighbors, and terrorizing us cannot be our new normal.
And because Chicago doesn't back down from bullies and masks who tear gas our neighborhoods,
this administration has resorted to weaponizing the federal justice system to scare us into silence.
But we're not going to be silent.
The Trump administration wants you to be afraid of speaking out against it and its anti-democratic power grabs.
And there are plenty of reasons to be afraid right now, but we have to be afraid.
to overcome that fear. This case targets our rights to protest, speak freely, and associate with
anyone who disagrees with the government. And while we have seen the unhinged and unlawful
tactics, this administration has used against the American public, it's important to remember
they're doing this because they are scared. They are wrong. And they know they are on the wrong
side of history. Who is they though? We cannot diminish ourselves in the face of these attacks.
That's why we have to unite and stand up for humanity.
Because she is anti-Israel.
She hangs Kaffia in her room.
And I'm going to tell you exactly why she's not going to win.
First, I'll refute what she's saying.
Let me play this video for you guys.
Here's her being pushed back because she was blocking a vehicle.
That's her.
So there are other videos of this.
But I'm going to say this in reference to her.
The reason why she can't win,
there's two big reasons.
Notice all the jump cuts in that video.
And I mean this not derisively.
If you want to run for office,
you need to be able to talk and express yourself.
You need wit.
You got to go quick.
You can't jump cut every five seconds.
I got to say,
as somebody who did non-profit fundraising,
making me the expert in the case,
if you can't articulate your mission statement
in 30 seconds,
bang, boom,
you ain't going to get it.
You ain't going to get it.
But I got to add,
the second reason is that,
She is an anti-Israel candidate running in the most Jewish district in the country.
Not even just that, but there was very little in the way of actually showing performative emotion in what she was doing there.
There was very little in the way of like, maybe it's just because we speak on camera every day.
So it's part of the gig to understand how to, when you have a point you want to articulate to people,
you have to be able to look at a camera, you have to be able to make people understand what you feel about a specific topic.
And if it's something as personal to her as supposedly having her first,
First Amendment rights violated while, you know, of course, leaving out the very, very important part where she broke the law to do so.
If she can't do that without getting through 30 seconds of time, then she's going to have a very hard time convincing voters who are not going to only see her in clips, but see her in person.
But I mean, young liberals are far left.
So she has that going for her as like the next generation of Democrat is going to be, you know, I don't want to be to one dimensional and say communist, but communist.
Yeah. I mean, no, I mean, I completely disagree.
The reality is at the core of their worldview is communism.
It is radical far-leftism.
Once you accept those premises, even if you don't want to take them to their furthest, most radical conclusion,
you will slowly end up approaching that position over time.
And that's effectively what's happened.
They've just gotten closer to that end state.
Is this an issue that is something that's come up a lot in Philadelphia with immigration law and things like that?
So the issues that I have with immigration is what Krasner's policies were in Philadelphia.
Krasner's policies prior to President Trump and what's going on with ICE today was that if you were a person with bad papers and you committed a crime, you walk into a bank.
You give the teller a note that says, I am robbing you.
give me all your effing money,
Larry Krasner,
when he found out
that this individual
actually was here illegally,
Larry Krasner downgraded a bank robbery
to a possession of an instrument of crime.
What?
No, this is what he's doing,
what he was doing in Philly.
We had another case where a guy who was illegal
was dealing drugs,
selling 80 bundles of heroin.
Well, Larry Krasner became
Jesus Christ. He made that case of 80 bundles of heroin. He downgraded it to possession of marijuana.
He thinks he could change heroin to possession of marijuana, dealing heroin to possession of marijuana.
These are the reasons why it's annoying to me that you got to treat everybody fairly under the law.
You break the law, whether you're a citizen or a not citizen. The law should apply to you fairly.
and Larry Krasner was not doing that.
Yeah, well, look, let me back up, Pat here,
because I think people always think it's hyperbole, right?
People think that like this,
this, hey, we'll be soft on crime.
It's just a Republican talking point.
It's not.
And look, I come from libertarian world, you know,
and I found this drift in libertarian world
where people would think, well,
we want to fix a criminal justice system,
which I'm a big fan of doing that.
But when somebody tries to rob a bank,
it's a little bit of a different story, right?
When somebody has that amount of drugs
and what their intent is, it's not always the solution to try to prove that, hey, listen,
we're not going to be like the Republicans that are tough on crime.
We're not going to be backing the blue.
So you become the opposite.
It's that slow drift you talked about where it's like, all of a sudden, if you're not backing the blue,
what's the opposite of that?
Well, police are the enemy.
And it's like this dichotomy where, no, there's probably a rational place you can be.
The left does not believe in rational, same thought right now.
Well, and I love when the Democrats go, you know, we actually, we never really.
believed in defunding the police now that they've seen
the polling data and they clearly did believe in it
and they were clearly talking about it.
Well, we never believed in defunding the police.
We just don't have anything good to say about the police ever
under any circumstances and we always think they're wrong about
everything they do. Why is that so hard
to understand? The Mott and Bailey arguments
are like, well no, we're talking about reform.
Right? We're not
talking about getting rid of the police. We're talking about
reforming the police. Of course, that's after you
prove how stupid the initial statement was.
The most nefarious part about statements like this
is that like you're talking about,
people who are in the country illegally and they're selling drugs and they're selling drugs or they're
robbing banks. But when she's talking about it, she's talking about your friends and your neighbors
who are being pulled out of their homes. So one of the most nefarious aspects of illegal immigration
is that you allowed them to become your friends and neighbors. And for the average everyday citizen,
it is horrific to see somebody who you've grown close to in a personal way pulled from their house
and removed from the country. But that's not the point. The point is that they live amongst these people
and the prior administration did a very, very good job
in helping to destroy a good part of the country
by letting in people who allow this to happen.
We pull this up.
Yes, we mean literally abolish the police
because reform won't happen.
It's a New York Times op-ed.
You know what's happening with the immigration stuff
in the United States is the graphic novel,
I am legend.
Have you guys ever read it?
The movie?
Well, the original, it was actually a book before a graphic novel.
It was a short story.
Well, there you go.
The movie is trash.
Don't watch it.
It has nothing to do with the story.
Simple version. I bring it up quite a bit, but for those that don't know, for these fine gentlemen, it's about a guy who hunts vampires. And the vampires are rapidly spreading vampire. Bight somebody to become a vampire. Eventually, everyone in the country is a vampire, and he's the last human, and they arrest him for killing people, and they lock him up. And he realizes that now that every single person is a vampire, he's sentenced to death for the murder of people. And he realizes,
When he dies, he will be the monster of legend that lurked around while the children slept and killed them in their beds.
So the point is, you being the vampire hunter only matters when your civilization exists and you are fighting the legendary monster minority.
If more and more illegal immigrants come into this country as the point Brett was making, then you are going to have whole swaths of states being non-citizens.
and when you then try to enforce your laws, they will say, you are the evil dictator come to destroy our homes and our lives.
And if they take over and win this fight, these people, ICE agents will be put in prison and be called Gestapo Nazis for breaking up families.
And there will be no land acknowledgments, by the way.
If this country's taken from us, they're not going to be like it was the noble Europeans who wants to live here.
Like, no, none of that.
And that is directly proven by these New York City mayoral.
polls that show that foreign-born New Yorkers versus American-born New Yorkers, it is like 100%
the foreign-born are supporting Mumdami and the American-born are supporting Cuomo or Sliwa.
I mean, it kind of proves the point, right?
Like, once you come in, how do you push back?
I mean, you're obviously talking about ICE, but you're right.
Like, in a certain point, what's the path back, right?
What is the path?
Once enough folks are here, it's tough to kind of reverse it.
So I suppose it's a difficult question to ask you, Judge Dugan, because you didn't, I don't think you've seen the videos of Kat.
So in a light sense, I think the answer is relatively easy.
I would ask you, do you think she should have been charged?
Of course, the predicate there is, have I seen the video?
Do I know what she's done?
But if it's true that she was blocking vehicles from ICE trying to do their job and obstructing these officers, do you think she should have been charged?
So I think anybody that interferes with official law enforcement, yes, they need to be detained and arrested after you do the investigation.
And that goes from whether it's a sheriff in a small town, a police officer in a big city who's actually doing a car stop.
You've got to let the law enforcement do their job.
Now, you'll have your right, but you need to step away so they can do their job.
to protest it, don't interfere with law enforcement officers. In fact, our district attorney,
you know, there's this talk about the National Guard might come to Philadelphia, and that's,
Mr. Krasner is out there all the time saying it's Trump, it's Trump, it's Trump. Well,
he actually told our citizens in Philadelphia to go harass the National Guard if they come to
our city. Now, my problem with that is the National Guard is, the National Guard is
actually us. It's our citizens. In Philadelphia, it's the guy from Southwest. It's our neighbor. It's a
part-time job. And what they're doing is they're given an order and they salute the governor or
their president and they do their job. They are not our enemy. We need to go ahead and fight
whatever you don't agree with through the courts, through the governor, through the president.
But those National Guards, men and women are doing their duty. They're us. I was an Army reservist.
just doing their duty. Don't go up and harass them. And Krasner actually said, go harass
these National Guard. Yet when a young man went up and tried to take some photos of Mr. Krasner
with his phone, he literally pushed him away with his phone away. I mean, so it's just as
ludicrous that he has this double standard. Yeah. Do you think that the National Guard should
be deployed into Philadelphia? I think there should be some cooperation. I don't think we need the National
guard right now. What we need is we need somebody to cooperate with the mayor of Philadelphia,
Cheryl Parker, who's a Democrat who was elected saying, let's enforce the criminal code.
She has a forward-thinking police commissioner by the name of Bethel. They're working together
to try to solve the issues in our city. They don't have the third partner. And that's the
district attorney of Philadelphia who refuses to hold violent criminals.
accountable. This is a fact. People that live in Philly know that. Philadelphia needs a district
attorney to assist the mayor. Now, I will talk about the National Guard was in our city a couple
years ago. And what they did was they calmed down, all the riots that we had a few years ago,
the civil unrest, whatever people want to call it. But when they put those National Guardsmen
on the streets in Kensington, in North Philadelphia, it calmed down. There were our neighbors
that came to calm down.
So it did work.
We should not need them
if the district attorney
would do his job.
See, but here's a crazy thing.
What Pat is saying
is what any Democrat
would have said 25 years ago.
Right?
Like, it's not like he's saying
anything here
that is irrational,
that is far right.
This was the Democrat.
I mean,
these used to be pretty bipartisan races.
Aren't you a registered Democrat?
I am still a registered Democrat.
What happened?
No, but see, that's the point.
Like, not even 25 years ago,
10 years ago. 15 years ago.
What happened to the Democratic Party
where you are now,
you ended up as the Republican candidate, but you're
a Democrat? You know what?
There are still a lot of Democrats like me.
The far left...
Democrat voters. Let me clarify this.
Right? Because the leaders, this is what I find.
The leaders are, they're
persuaded by the 20%
of the radical activists, the radical
donors. But I think you're right, because we
found that. And a lot of the voters we talked to,
the voters, there's still quite a few.
of you. Yes, there are. And again, because of the closed primary system, we get that radical
candidate like Larry Krasner, backed by source because he was able to dump a ton of money in,
and then those former prosecutors and those candidates who wanted to be smart, smart on crime.
Let's do these restorative justice, like veterans court and whatnot, but be tough on violent
criminals. They couldn't get traction because they didn't have the million dollars like, like,
like Krasner got from George Soros.
There's that whatever the hell he's trying to do to our country,
he's destroying places like Philadelphia.
Can we dive in on that?
Because I always feel like it's easy to say, not you,
but when people talk about Soros and like what motivates him, right?
Because he is giving to all of these people that are extremely soft on violent crime.
We're not talking about, you know, parking tickets.
No.
What is his motivation?
Like, I mean, I have answers and I think, you know, he's just trying to really take over,
But is it purely evil why he's doing this?
Like, what gets him going?
I don't know what his motivation is.
But you can hold a city hostage by not enforcing laws on violent criminals because the citizens
who obey the law are kind of at the behest of the police who won't.
I mean, even if the police make the arrest, it doesn't matter if the prosecutor refuses
to follow through and do his job.
And the citizens just want to go to work and get home every day safely.
A lot of people are stuck because they may have enough to pay their mortgage,
but they don't have enough to leave if they want to leave.
You know, that's assuming that they even have a job that would allow them to do that,
say they're working remote.
But, you know, if you have a company in that city,
if you're part of the income class that actually contributes to the, you know,
to the wealth of the city, you're stuck there and you're held hostage by prosecutors
who won't prosecute cases.
Yeah, I can't.
Oh, sorry.
I don't know about Soros's life specifically.
I haven't looked into him too much, but I do know about the destructive policies
that he's helped promote in this country.
by putting soft-on-crime DAs in different locations and funding them, what I genuinely
believes happens, or genuinely believe happens is when someone participates in activities in their
personal lives that disfigures them spiritually, either some form of sexual perversity or
like ending the life of an unborn child through abortion, harming innocence in any way,
and they don't repent, they don't turn to Christ, and they have to be set in their ways,
the only option for them is to actually hate things that are good and beautiful and want to see them destroyed
because it reminds them that there's something in the world besides the crime that infest their conscience every single day,
the things that they've done wrong that they don't want to come to terms with.
And so when they see an innocent person get hurt by a criminal,
they sympathize with the criminal instead of the innocent person because they haven't come to terms with their own misdeeds.
Or misery loves company.
That's a big, and those are the same phenomena, really.
If they can justify the criminal acts or the evil, it makes them feel better about themselves.
Exactly. It makes them feel better about their own conscience.
Man, I got to pull up this next clip for you. This is a huge story. This is a tweet from Colin Rugg. Actually, this was from yesterday, but we didn't talk about it until later, so I want to get it in this show tonight.
Liberal podcaster Jennifer Welch suggests the Democratic establishment needs to get on board with wanting conservative's dead or else far leftists will come after you the same way we came after Maga.
I'm going to tell you my interpretation of what he said.
Actually, I'm going to play it for you first so you can decide for yourself before I tell you what I think.
Finally, if you think this Zoran thing is happening just in New York and you think people are waking up only in New York City, you're mistaken.
Look at this clip of a wine mom at the No Kings March. Play the clip.
Robert's name was?
Charlie Kirkman?
Yeah, him's horrible. Horrible.
Charlie Kirk is horrible?
Yes, I'm glad he's not here.
Why would you say something like that, ma'am?
He was horrible on the campuses, the college campuses.
Horrible person.
You know what?
I do the exact same thing.
Would you be glad if I would die?
Maybe.
I'd have to think about it.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
Your friend just said she'd be happy if I died.
It's funny, isn't it?
So listen at Democratic establishment.
You can either jump on board with this shit,
or we're coming after you in the same way that we come after MAGA.
Whoa.
What exactly do you mean by that?
Okay, so let's break this down.
She showed a clip of someone saying,
I'm glad Charlie Kirk is dead and maybe you should be murdered too.
She then said, you better get on board with that or we will come after you the same way
we came after MAGA.
Well, they came after MAGA with a gun and put a bullet through Charlie Kirk's neck.
So it sounds to me like she is making a veiled insinuation that they will kill Democrats.
unless Democrats get on board with them killing conservatives.
Certainly that is the most extreme interpretation, but I'm done playing games.
You could argue two things.
If we want to give her the lightest interpretation, she said, we hope that conservatives are
murdered, and you better also hope they get murdered too.
Otherwise, we will hope you get murdered.
But I'm going to go ahead with, we're going to go after you the way we treat MAGA.
They're calling for more conservatives to be murdered.
Now, there's more to this.
Period.
Stop taking A.P.M.E.K. Many. Go on an, I'm sorry I took AAPC many,
Atonement Tour if you want to stay in power.
Stop missing out on these big rallies.
Hakeem and Chuck should have been front and center introducing the next mayor of New York City.
But no, they wouldn't show up because they're pussies.
They're pussies that are beholden to the same corporations that don't.
Trump that helped Donald Trump get elected.
And this is just an embarrassment.
Kudos to Bernie, to AOC, to Zoron.
And that woman out in somewhere middle America saying, fuck Charlie Kirk, he was a racist,
he was a piece of shit.
There are so many more of us than there are of them.
And these Democrats that continue to play patty cake with corporations and lobbyists, nobody
wants that.
Nobody wants you. We want politicians to speak freely and look at what the benefit is.
She wants something. I listen. She wants corporate, she wants the mainstream Democrats to celebrate the
assassination of Charlie Kirk. She wants more of it. She has a million subscribers on Instagram and more
on YouTube and they aren't taking this stuff down. And it's also, real quick, sorry, just to throw it to
Chamberlain. A society that tolerates, calls for the murder of your political rivals is a society that has opened the door to civil war.
Also, like, there's just, I mean, listen, everyone gets a little angry sometimes, but like, carry yourself with some dignity.
A woman of that age should not be throwing that kind of language out. It's very unbecoming. I'm serious.
I'm totally undignified. I think she should be, she should be criminally charged.
Well, it's disgusting what she said. And again, I'm a registered Democrat. And even if you believe,
what she believes about Charlie Kirk and his positions.
Damn it, this is America, and you're calling for political violence against the opposing party
and also people in your own damn party that don't agree with you.
I don't agree with her.
This is disgusting that we're talking about this in America.
This should not be tolerated.
I don't care from the left, the right, the middle.
Damn it, what the hell are we doing?
I think she should be criminally charged for incitement or, uh,
anything else they can interpret, because I will say this.
If we do nothing, this woman makes millions of dollars, presumably.
She's got a million subs.
She gets hundreds of thousands of views on her videos.
So I can only presume she's making more than a million bucks a year off this show,
plus ad reads, probably a couple million.
If nothing comes of this, you are telling her and every single young person,
you are allowed to call for the murder of your political opponents,
and you will get rich from doing so.
And if you're wondering why they feel so emboldened to do so, it's because they feel so morally justified in their behavior because their worldview has reinforced that on them over and over again.
They are right.
Their, I guess, not liberal, their leftist worldview has told them you are right.
What they are saying is evil.
Evil deserves to be vanquished.
They believe that they have the right to call you evil, have you murdered, and they believe that that is justified.
It's one of the most insane things in the world because they believe.
they don't see anything wrong with it.
And this is the Civil War.
You ask, you know, how do we get to a Civil War?
The Civil War within the Democrat Party, right?
Within any party, when it's somebody calling for violence, you would hope the adults in the
room would stand up and say, hey, that's not the path we're going to go.
Look at the women in that video.
These are your typical suburban soccer moms.
Okay, these aren't homeless people on the street throwing out these crazy things.
And so I don't want to be a doomsdayer, but I think that that side's going to win.
I think the Democrat Party, the ones calling for violence, are going to win.
I think that's going to become the mainstream Democrats.
I think we learned in 2020 when Trump refused to send in the National Guard to stop the riots,
the worst riots we'd seen in 50 years.
The presumption was they're going to reap what they have sown and learn a lesson and then come voting for Trump.
Instead, the lesson I believe they learned was Trump is president and he won't save us.
So they vote against them.
Now, Trump is trying to bring in the National Guard, send in law enforcement to deal with these crimes and these riots, and he's being obstructed.
I believe that if you do not exercise the power you have to put a stop to this, you will lose.
So what I'm saying is if the Trump DOJ does not take action against people who are saying things like this, now, by all means, you know, we had on Dave Aaronberg that he's a lawyer, and he's a Democrat.
And he said, you know, free speech, you know, you get a lot of leeway and what you're allowed to say.
My response is, you've got two choices.
You can let her and the others like her call for the murder of conservatives, celebrate their deaths and assassinations while threatening Democrats to get on board as well.
You can let her do it.
Or you can suspend her from these platforms, take down the podcast and say, we do not tolerate this degree of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, or.
rhetoric. If she is allowed to keep speaking, I hope you are all prepared for what history
predicts comes next. Because we referred to this already in a different story as Radio Rwanda.
When the left start going out every day on their shows, screaming and banging on the table
that conservatives must be murdered, don't be surprised if you wake up one day to hear that
a bunch of mass shootings happened. Leftist terrorism is already the dominant political, like
ideology behind terror.
According to the mainstream media.
Yep.
So I, here's what I, here's my prediction.
The Trump admin will do nothing over stuff like this.
People will say it's free speech.
More and more liberals will start adopting this rhetoric because it gets them views.
You will get Democratic politicians who will start adopting this rhetoric.
And then I don't know what happens in four years.
When you have when you have political.
So in 2018, I warned.
we were headed in this direction where we were going to be.
And I said, what happens when this culture war, these street battles make their way to the highest levels of government?
Because people grow up and they run for office.
And I was told over and again it would never happen.
Well, it's happened.
And now we had over the past several years under the Biden administration, which we'll get to the story in second, Arctic Frost targeting conservatives.
We had the arrest of Donald Trump and his lawyers.
The unprecedented fake charges brought against Trump to steal his property, imprison him, and falsely accuse him of rape.
It is at the highest levels of governance now.
So when I tell you, middle-aged women calling for the murder of conservatives will bring you in four to eight years,
35-year-olds going out with guns and shooting conservatives, you can tell me I'm crazy, you can tell me I'm wrong, and I will just say two names.
Was it Aaron Danielson? Am I getting that name wrong?
Charlie Kirk and I think it was Aaron Danielson.
Let me make sure I get that name right.
I said I'm going to say two names.
Do you take out?
Well, but this is, I mean, it's a very predictable thing, even without this kind of rhetoric.
Aaron Danielson was a Trump supporter walking down the street in Portland when a far leftist
with a communist fist on his neck screamed, we got one right here, Paul that has gone,
and put two in his chest. So when I say this stuff will happen, it is not a prediction.
It's a description of what already happened and will get worse because no one is willing to stop
these people. There has never been an instance in history where the radical left came to power
and didn't do things like this. Their goal has always been to murder innocent.
people, and in particular to murder Christians.
And the only time they haven't done that is when they have been sufficiently
marginalized by a strong enough right-wing movement to prevent them.
So all that needs to happen right now is this woman's show should be banned.
Spotify should take it off the air.
Instagram should take down her account.
And they should say, we do not tolerate this level of threats of violence.
They're not going to do it, however.
It's not going to happen.
No.
Well, and the rationale should be, this isn't that she's wishy-washy.
She is literally saying that we should murder these people.
And the dog whistling, you know, I'm a door knocking guy, right?
I'm not an influencer here like Mr. Tim Poole.
But it's so funny how the dog whistling can play out.
2018, I believe, the Antifa Handbook came out, Mark Bray's book, and he names me because I wrote an op-ed in Time magazine about free speech.
And at the time, I'm like, well, nothing will come with this.
You know, who cares?
You know, it's Antifa just doing what they do.
But a lot of people are like, no, this is dog-wisph.
to get people to take action that do things.
Well, fast forward to a month ago, we do a rally in Wildwood.
And this was for Jack Chirrelli.
Benny Johnson was supposed to be there.
Jack Posobics, Scott Pressler, myself, a bunch of other great patriots.
We all had to get security because there were credible threats coming from, because we're listed
in that book and some radical lunatic sees this.
So now me as an activist, a grassroots guy, I've got to have a bodyguard with me.
That to me was like the moment of realizing, hey, this stuff.
is real and we can choose to ignore it and just think, hey, it's never going to happen to me.
But after Charlie, it's like, listen, I'm not Charlie. None of us are Charlie Kirk.
But it's a lot closer to home than people think it is.
I had a friend who he quit, he had to quit a job. He was in charge of a bakery. He had to quit
a job because the people that he worked with there, he found out, they were celebrating the
death of Charlie Kirk. Now, these were, I would assume, younger people. And when you think of
activists of such a radical nature, you do think of younger people who have been influenced,
but that's not what you were seeing in this video. That's your, that's your grandma who watches
Jimmy Kimmel. That's your aunt who watches Jimmy Kimmel. It's, all of it has been primed,
but the way I've always phrased is like there was this picture. I think I mentioned this on the show
like a week ago. Like, they posted a picture of Barack Obama and Mitt Romney after one of the
debates. And they said, this was the last time politics felt like it had any sense of decorum.
and somebody pointed out, look, far leftists were calling him a Nazi, calling McRomney a Nazi in 2012.
Moderate liberals are calling him a Nazi.
But that's what's happened is that before that in the Bush era, you see the pictures of the ones calling Bush a Nazi, and they were the far left.
But now it's not that anymore. It's the mainstream Democrat politicians, and they take in the average everyday citizen is taking cues from everyday politicians.
They're not getting it from the people talking about the Antifa handbook or rules for.
for radicals. They're getting it from the mainstream
press. Yeah, and I got to be honest,
that reaction to Charlie,
the reaction that we all saw
online, Tim,
you're probably going to say, no, you know,
like we should have expected it. I did not
expect it. I mean, I did not expect
to see the cheering, to see
the teachers, the
normal folks, the people that are
literally making good salaries, think
it was okay to publicly state
how happy they were that somebody got shot.
This is not me trying to say, I told
told you so I 100% expected it. I hate the
I 100% expected it.
That Caitlin Bennett video
where she's asking me, she's shocked this lady's like
I hope you, maybe you should be murdered as well.
And this Jennifer Welch saying, get on board with
what they're espousing.
I don't think conservatives realize
what time it is. And I want to give a shout
to Michael Knowles. I'm a huge fan of Michael Knowles, by the way.
He's got some of the best videos. He leaves me speechless.
He does. He does.
and Michael Knowles and Matt Walsh are the best guys over the Daily Wire.
But Michael, I'm going to give a little critique to, not that he did anything wrong,
but he testified before Congress about political violence, and he was very polite, noble, and honorable.
And it's what you'd expect of a good Catholic man.
But in these times, what ended up happening was, it was, I think Senator Welch says,
how many of you are okay with the pardons of the J-Sixers?
And they all raise their hand.
And then he says that includes the men who beat officer.
I think Hodges was the name.
And then he pauses for a second.
And he goes, yep, that includes him.
And then Michael Knowles politely says, is that an invitation to speak?
And he goes, no.
And he goes, understood.
And that's it.
Welch then takes the clip, cuts out Michael Nalls and says, silence.
He says, when I pointed out that they pardoned a man who beat a cop, silence.
He said he was speechless.
In the controlling words, controlling thoughts.
Now, here's my point, because what I see with this, and I don't mean to be in any way
disrespectful for Michael Knowles, because I'm a big fan.
I love his videos, is that he's playing this political game as though he expects men of honor
to discuss these issues in good faith, where this senator literally just pulled it out of context.
The whole point was to lie about the views and the ideas of Michael Knowles, which is why
you cannot play this game of honor and nobility with people who have no intention of being
honorable nor noble. All I'm saying is in that context, the moment he said and the people included,
you know, the officer is you immediately jump in and start going off and saying,
absolutely not, you are twisting words. But my point with this is, again, not to disrespect,
Michael, it's just a sign to me that conservatives still believe there is this, they think we're
were actually going through a standard
legal proceeding with Democrats and liberals.
Meanwhile, they're going on their shows
to millions of people and saying
murder conservatives. And conservatives
are coming out and being like, we need to lower
the temperature in this country and bring people back
together. And I'm like, they're saying kill you
over there. And then their side will say the
same thing to you when they're the ones
who are, you know, talking about violence.
After what happened with Charlie Kirk,
then the Democrats are like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,
we need to tone down the rhetoric, even
though they know that the people on their side aren't going to atone to that because people on the
right were mad about it and we're calling it out. You cannot persuade the devil. I mean, if these
folks are brainwashed, right, we think we can have conversations. A lot of those reactions to Charlie,
I mean, I have a cousin, a distant cousin who cheered when Charlie was killed. Now, this is a guy I knew.
This is a guy who got assassinated on live television. Everybody saw the video. If you haven't,
at some point you will, that's how these things work. I hate to say that. And he knew that I was close
with him. And for him to post, just shut up. But I'm almost glad that he posted it because now I know.
That's right. Right. I know what's deep in his heart. And I know there is no, there's no coming back from that.
And so my advice to a lot of people is don't waste your time. Right. Don't get into these battles.
Don't let those folks have that power over you because you cannot persuade the devil. If they're gone,
if they're brainwashed, there's no way to pull them back. And we shouldn't spend any of our energy
trying to get evil people to understand when they're never, ever going to come back.
So, you know, this might be much more difficult for you to say, Judge Dugan,
but my view of these DAs, of these SOROS DAs, it's not that they're ignorant of what they're doing
and releasing violent criminals under the streets.
It's that they're doing it intentionally to wreak havoc on our communities to destabilize
our systems of governance so that they can then swoop in and fundamentally restructure them
to a far-left ideology.
Well, I could tell you that Larry Krasner's doing it on purpose, and I'm a witness to that.
I was a judge for 17 years.
In the last eight years, Larry Krasner's been to district attorney, and we went from having a defense attorney in a courtroom and a prosecutor.
They both zealously represented their side.
After Larry Krasner became the DA, we had still had a defense attorney, and then we had a prosecutor who was far left off the damn table.
It's amazing. Larry Krasner does not train his DAs to be prosecutors. How do I know that? I witnessed it every day in court. More than 70% of the cases that were in front of me would be withdrawn because Krasner's office were not ready to proceed forward.
It's on purpose. It is on purpose. When a DA would leave the office, some of them would actually write a letter to the editor and say, it's bizarre the training that Krasner's.
doing. It's a kumbaya, sit around almost like a religious experience, but nothing to do with
how to prosecute. They're sent into the courtroom without a mentor or supervisor, and they have
not a clue, and the defendant walks out, and the victims are left hanging out the dry,
including victims who wind up being murdered later because of his policies.
I think Krasner and many of these other SOROSDAs, they are doing this so that the criminals
walk. It's not so much about
they're not training them. It's that they're intentionally
saying we want you to lose.
We want the criminals on the street.
We see it not just in, as
you're making a great point because we've not
discussed what I would
describe as the faux prosecutions.
Typically what we see from these DAs is they
just drop the charges and let them go.
But it's really interesting to hear that you're saying
in the courtroom they'd be like, oops,
we script the prosecution. Guess you
got to let them go now. Yes.
So obviously the arrest or
down tremendously in the city of Philadelphia since Larry Krasner became the district attorney
because he refuses to charge somebody who's arrested. So those cases never make it.
The cases I'm talking about are the ones that actually make it, which is a minority of the
actual crimes being committed in the city of Philadelphia. We recently had a murderer of a young
girl by the name of Katie Scott. Kate of Scott is a beautiful young woman. She was 23 years old,
a cheerleader, Penn State, just beautiful.
Well, she was assaulted and kidnapped and wound up being murdered by this guy named Keon King.
The issue with Keon King is Keon King was actually in our courts months prior for another assault
and kidnapping of a different woman.
So that case, the victim didn't show up.
Despite the Commonwealth, the district attorney's office having video evidence of Keon King
trying to break into this woman's house,
The prosecution withdrew the charges.
Instead of putting the video evidence up like any new prosecutor knows how to do,
they did not put it up on purpose.
What would be different under a Pat Dugan district attorney?
DAs who know how to put up video evidence, which is prosecution 101,
they're going to have to prosecute.
So what makes this case even worse is so Keon King, he's in front of a judge,
The prosecution, this Keon King has another case.
We're talking about a third case.
There's a new arrest warrant while he's standing in front of the court.
The district attorney's office, Larry Krazner's office, does not tell the sheriff, doesn't tell the judge, doesn't tell the police.
So Keon King could have been taken into custody.
Instead, he walks out of the court and then what does he do?
He goes and he grabs this K to Scott, kidnaps her.
city can't find her and we find her body.
Wow.
So now he's charged with murder.
That's a whole different thing.
But Larry Krasner is a co-conspirator in the death of Kada Scott because of his policies.
And I get so frustrated by this because everybody says, oh, she, Kada Scott's case fell through the cracks.
No, it didn't.
A previous family member who had their mother murdered in similar circumstances said they
said the same thing about this Gladys Coriiani, and that that case fell through the cracks.
That young man testified at the impeachment of Larry Krasner and said it wasn't falling through
the cracks. It was a trapdoor that was constructed by Larry Krasner on purpose. And that's what
I've seen. That's why I quit being a judge. I resigned to run against this guy because it's so
frustrating what he's doing to our victims. I lived in New York for a while and like in the city proper.
I don't really care for it.
You know?
I don't have great things to say about New York.
It smells like sour milk.
So when all this bad stuff happens, I'm like it's bad.
It shouldn't happen.
But New York.
But for Philly, it breaks my because Philly's so amazing.
And it's funny.
I can say this.
And we just lived in the suburbs, you know,
the other side of the river, but we'd go in for cheese steaks.
And I'm not from Phil.
I'm from Chicago, but we would get our cheese steaks.
Do you remember your favorite place?
I don't.
We went to, you have to tell me, because I was there for like,
I think it might have been like two.
two or three years. And so I don't know the names. But you know that marketplace downtown where they
got all the different? Is that what it is? There you go. We'd go there all the time because you get
to try everything. We'd go shopping in there. And then I get cheese steaks there? Uncle Gus is
probably where you got them there. That's probably what it was. I don't know for sure. All I know is
people would show me where to go. And it was just awesome. And I mean it because I lived in New York
and I can't tell you very much about, you know, the waffles and dingus in New York, whatever.
is okay. But Philly
man, we loved it. We had so much fun there. We did
a big show at
I don't know if it was Sugarhouse
at the time. Is it, is it Rivers
now or was it the casino?
Rivers is on the Delaware.
It used to be Sugarhouse. It used to be Sugarhouse.
And so what happened was we were in
doing a live show called
Ending Violence, Racism, and Authoritarianism.
That was the show we were doing. It was a very libertarian thing.
And this was in Pittman, New Jersey
at a theater. Far left,
Two weeks from the show threatened to burn the theater down, and so the venue canceled on us.
So we reached out to a venue in Philly, and apparently the staff there were, like, the venue was
like, great, but then the staff were leftists and threatened to, like, walk out.
Wow.
So we went to Sugarhouse instead and did the show there, and they accommodated us, and it went
well. We did have to limit, it cut the seats down from 1,000 to 500, which sucked.
But my point is just, I got great memories from our time when we were in South Jersey.
I know we weren't Philly guys, but that's where we would go.
We were 15 minutes from the city.
So we'd go in all the time.
Seeing all the stuff that's been going on with the crime with Krasner is just, it's so brutal.
Because for whatever it is, I know there's going to be New York people who are like,
don't rag on New York.
Well, you know, New York's what it is.
But to see, you know what, I'll be fair.
I'll be fair to New York and to Philly.
To see our great American cities be turned into this by this psychotic ideology,
whatever it is they're trying to do.
It breaks my heart.
We got to turn it around and whatever we can.
Now, you know, back to the initial video that we're talking about in the first place,
it's scary when you've got prominent political personalities that hold this view that want to see us dead.
So I'm scared as to what this means as we approach this from a legal standpoint of,
we've got to prosecute the criminals, we've got to be fair, we got to be just, we got to follow the law.
And they're saying, we don't.
Well, and this is so important because the reason people view the world in this way
is because of the stories they have consumed.
How often have you seen it in the media?
a show where you're supposed to feel bad for the criminal.
The criminals are almost always portrayed in some kind of sympathetic light.
Police are usually portrayed in a negative light.
You always hear about the protagonist who's a criminal because they're down on their luck.
And this is part of why we're trying to make media in stories because you have to create stories that push back against that.
We're like the criminal actually is bad.
They're not just doing it because they're hungry or trying to feed their family,
but because human beings are defective on some level.
We do have malice in our heart.
We do want to hurt others.
It is funny that you mentioned we were talking earlier about when things really turned
when it comes to like ICE and immigration.
There are TV shows from 15 years ago that take a very normal stance on immigration
or ICE or immigration customs enforcement, all that stuff.
It really was almost like bottlenecked into just the last couple of years where suddenly
something that was very normal for Americans to believe, which is that you have to come here legally.
That's the path forward, is now suddenly.
considered a far right idea.
Wait, wait, what was the thing where you wrapped the pizza and the cheesecake?
You know what I'm talking about? Come on.
A stromboli?
No, no, no. There's a thing in Philly.
That's what we did.
They make a cheesecake and they get a big slice of pizza and they roll it up.
Philly taco.
Yes.
My wife and my doctor will let me eat that.
Spent like two summers in Philadelphia and I was just more amazed that I could order a slice of
pizza to be delivered back in like
2000? Listen, the food scene in Philly.
I don't think people give it enough credit. It's very,
very underrated. My new
place has just opened up. Skinny Joey's
Joey Merlino. They just opened up. They actually just bought my
I was from Delco, the suburbs, and they bought
the cheese steak place that I worked
at as a kid. He just bought it. So they're opening it up.
You know, they're starting to expand out. He's got great
social media game, but the food's good.
The Pat and Gino's thing, I'll say this, so you don't
have to, you got to appease more people.
You know, that's a tourist. That's a tourist.
is a straw, right? Pat's and Gino's like, okay, if you're not a local, you go, you do the experience.
Right.
But Angelo's, you know, skinny joys, I mean, there's tons of great local spots that are out there.
There is a tobacco, baby.
That's what I'm talking.
Even got the grilled onions in there.
Look at that.
Oh, man.
Those are great for social media because you get the videos of people making those.
Let's not forget John's, John's roast pork, Jim steaks.
There's some great, there's dozens of great cheese.
How do we always talk about food on the show?
I was just going to say.
I was the worst.
I think, oh, I'm hungry, bro.
We got to figure out how to get some of these up here.
I'll work on it.
Next time I'm here, I'll bring one.
It's like three hours to Philly from here, right?
Yeah.
Something like that.
Yeah, probably.
Three and a half.
They'll be cold by the time they get there,
get back here, but I think we've got to have someone drive up,
leave super early, order like 20 of them,
and bring them back, and we have them for lunch.
Philly tacos.
You feel like to be cold by then, though.
That's what I'm saying.
We've got to heat them up, but, you know, we suffer for the delicious.
For the cheese steak.
We suffer for that cheese steak.
We'll get you one of those.
We'll get you some water ice.
Then I think I'm saying, the skinny joys will bring you one of those.
Let's jump to this story.
I don't know.
This is big news from Fox News.
Republicans claim Biden Admen's enemies list on earth from Arctic Frost investigation.
Did he write it in crayon?
Like Biden made this list?
Did he just, I just, I just, wait, hold on, four times.
Republicans claim.
What do you mean?
We have the list.
Oh, no.
There's no claim.
That's the problem.
That's the tactic they use, right?
both sides have become so polarized
and nobody trusts anything anybody else
says that they're just going to automatically assume
it's just some type of apple, blah, you know.
My audience, man, number one,
the EPS are bunny, didn't, never left me any eggs this year.
His ice cream was melted.
My ice cream melted.
He wrote it with the auto pen.
He ordered his food with auto pen and it didn't come.
Sean Davis says breaking new Arctic Frost whistleblower documents
show that the corrupt Biden FBI
subpoenaed bank records,
donorless, and emails of nearly every major
conservative organization and leadership in the country, including the Trump campaign,
the RNC, conservative partnership institute, Save AmericaPact, America First Policy Institute,
and even my pillow.
Not my pillow.
It's clear that they were going after privyed information to try and cheat an election.
That's the only way I can, the only thing I can see from this.
It makes no sense.
I mean, this is crazy.
Look at this.
I'm going to try and zoom in on this.
It's like actually cartoonishly bad that you would be collecting this kind of
of information on political opponents.
We're going to be told nonstop about how Trump's an authoritarian.
I got to say, like, Biden's ability to be all of the things that people fearmonger about Trump being
while he has dementia is really actually kind of inspiring.
It's like when they're like women can do anything men can in heels.
It's like, dude, Biden can do anything they claim Trump could do with dementia, except only the bad things they fearmonger about.
Yeah, and the problem is that the media backs this stuff.
So you'll, the average person will never hear about it.
There's even an entry in here for Seamus Kemp.
Coglin and they were they were pursuing charges of theft of cutlery.
Oh, no.
Because of the allegations leveled against me by my political enemies, the false smears.
I never did that.
You know me.
You know I wouldn't do that.
Lucky that it was spoons.
If it was forks, it would have been up to a felony.
Yes.
You made those.
In Philly, that's free.
If it's under.
Krasner had a policy if you steal something under $500, it's a tickable offense.
He changed the law.
unilaterally. And our retail theft went from 7,000 a year to over 20,000 a year.
Due to his 500 below, it's free. And that's why our stores have left us in Center City.
I don't know if I should be proud of this, but I'm just realizing this. I hadn't seen the full breakdown.
I'm already counting six different packs or organizations that I doork for.
Wow.
Right here on the list. I'll take that as a badge of honor. Yeah, I want to go through all of these
organizations and just be like, all right, that tells me something. If the, if the enemy was afraid,
of them, then they're probably doing something good.
This reminds me when the IRS with the lowest learner, when they were denying all the
nonprofit statuses, because I was on that list.
They helped me up for three years when I was at Young Americans for Liberty.
And that came out and it was all alphabetical.
And I'm like, please be on here because there's all these other groups on here.
And then the last one was Young Americans for Liberty.
But yeah, I mean, this is, you know, when you get inside the documents, like you said, Tim,
they can say, oh, it's fake or it's, you know, alleged.
It's like, no, we have the documentation.
obviously they're targeting their political opponents.
You know, this is absolutely insane.
What, this is just crazy.
Andrew Sarabia made the list.
He's a patriot.
Compiled by Senate.
This is, so this, I'm trying to understand subpoena recipient.
So the subjects are in the right.
I mean, this is massive.
I mean, Save America Joint Fundraising Committee and they targeted all, all of, like, law offices.
I mean, this is wild.
And every single one of those packs.
has thousands of donors, right?
And so are they investigating them?
They've got staff members.
They've got board members.
I mean, you pretty much have probably 20 to 30,000 people
that could be associated with the list that's here,
depending on how deep they went.
Man, this is crazy.
The thing is, you look at this list,
and then the lady from the first segment,
she believes that her being, like, arrested
for blocking an ice vehicle is proof of government authoritarianism.
But this, they just kind of hold their notes.
and pretend like they don't see it.
Could you go up?
Angel, oh, Angel Protection System.
I thought for a half a second.
I almost had a heart attack.
I was like, what?
Leave my sound of freedom alone.
Oh, man, that's crazy, dude.
The Red State LLC.
Wow.
Isn't that the media organization?
Red State?
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's him.
That's crazy.
That's really bad.
Tim Murta.
Yeah, and it even says, look,
documents sufficient to show all employees,
including agents and independent contractors.
You're talking about anybody that is working for these groups.
Not even impressive to end up on any of those watch lists anymore.
They targeted.
They subpoenaed Google for the email.
Were they pulling emails from victory.
That's wild.
Or, yeah, their account information?
I think conservatives need to wake up to what time.
it is. Yeah, that's pretty bad.
I don't get it. I mean, this is insane.
Red State partners. I can't wait to get a moment to go through all of these.
It's very, very disturbing.
Yeah. Very disturbing.
Targeting Trump Make America Great Again committee.
The Republican National Committee over and over and over again.
Ed Corrigan, that was crazy. That leaked email. Let me see if I can find that one, actually.
Because Sean Davis has been posting a lot of this stuff.
But there's an email where the FBI is like,
Ed Corgan wants bad things for the FBI.
So that was their justification for going after him.
It's absolutely bonkers.
Let's see if we can.
Arctic Frost. Wow.
Let's pull this up and read this.
Initially designed by Biden-era architects to target Trump,
the indiscriminate Arctic Frost investigation exploded
to include over 430 Republican organizations and individuals.
The Senate Judiciary Committee's oversight is far from over.
Wow, man.
So what do you think happens then if Democrats win again?
Yeah, not good things.
I don't think they were collecting this information because they weren't trying to prosecute political opponents.
I don't think they were going after this.
I don't think they were like trying to do good things with it.
We're past the point of that even being a worthwhile consideration to discuss.
Listen, all I got to say is he who fights half a revolution digs his own grave,
Trump actually has to do something about the abuses of power that have happened.
He actually has to do something about it because otherwise they're going to come.
They're going to lock him up.
They already tried locking him up.
Yeah.
Like what does he, like, what can he do?
He's too tepid whenever these things.
It's like whenever any of these arrests come up and then they just, you know, drop the charges
or any of the activist judges that get involved and block any of the motions.
And like he's going after some of them, which is good.
It hasn't been all bad, but I think he's got to step it up.
Can I ask you a question about how do you feel like so much of the media now seems to be
kind of around the idea of judges who are blocking orders from the Trump administration
and people are, the joke is now, like, who has the most power in the country?
It's a judge blocking a Donald Trump motion.
Like, is that something that, does that get to you the idea that judges are getting involved
where seemingly they don't have any place to be?
Now, judges are supposed to uphold the rule of law.
They're supposed to make an independent decision.
And anybody who lets their political beliefs come into their decision is not doing their job as a judge.
We really have to be the person who's calling balls and strikes,
based off the law, that's how it should be applied.
You have to put your political beliefs, whether you're left or right, put it to the side.
And, you know, judges, we have a much higher oath and ethics that we're supposed to uphold.
So we should not be activists from the bench, no matter what side you're on.
So what do you say, and this is me not having this opinion, but what do you say, you know, a lot of the people that watch this are going to be big America First Patriots.
I'm looking at the chat.
You know, some will say, oh, but he's a Democrat.
He might be a rhino in disguise.
how do you respond to those folks? And to me, you know, I'll defend you first by saying,
I'm not here to argue that people should be supporting Cuomo in the race, but I do think you have
certain areas where it's very different. You know, when the makeup of the city is what, 10% Republican?
I mean, registration. What is it currently? It's six to one. Yeah. Six Democrats to one
Republican is. So to me, a rational Democrat who gets on the line as a Republican compared to Krasner,
it's a very easy choice.
I mean, we're chasing a lot of ballots in the city.
Very, very hopeful you pull this off.
But what do you say to those folks that would have that objection?
So the choice is real clear, as you said, in Philadelphia.
It's continued to support a Soros-back candidate who coddles criminals and is frankly an anarchist.
Or somebody like me, I'm an Army veteran 23 years in the active duty and reserves.
I went to Iraq, Afghanistan.
I actually went to Iraq after 9-11.
I'd been out of the Army since 1989.
So after 9-11, I went back in as a 43-year-old, and I went to Iraq.
That's how much I believe in the oath and helping protect American values.
I resigned from the bench after 17 years to take on Larry Krasner.
I am the person who believes in restorative justice, rehabilitative-type justice.
I did it as a judge.
I had a Veterans Court program where it was less than 10% recidivism, holistic type of approach.
We helped these men and women after they came home from war become productive citizens again.
But I also, as a Democrat, I'm a Philadelphia.
I believe in people who are committing violent crimes.
They need to go up state to prison.
That's just a fact.
So you call that whatever political side you want.
It makes sense.
Which one do you want?
A guy who can walk and chew gum at the same time to be a prosecutor or the guy who wants to coddle prisoners and let everybody out.
It's a clear choice.
Forget the politics, please.
Let's jump to this story from the Wall Street Journal, not the Washington.
The Wall Street Journal, Pentagon orders National Guard to establish quick reaction forces for civil unrest and riots.
The move comes after Trump ordered an expansion of military units for responding to domestic disorder.
Look at that photo.
These guys are ready.
The Pentagon has ordered the National Guard to create quick reaction forces.
in every state and territory by January that are trained and equipped to respond to riots and civil
unrest within the United States. The riot control units are a major shift for the Pentagon,
underscoring the Trump admin's push to directly involve the military in responding to protests
and other domestic missions. Okay, this is the Trump admin outright saying he prepares to
deploy National Guard for riots. Or at the bare minimum, they're saying they fully anticipate
widespread rioting in the next year. I would argue that we are potentially,
days away from mass
riding and looting over
the snapocalypse.
But Trump says they're going to get that done,
whatever that means. So I don't know if we're going to see
these riots in the short term.
But I don't know.
It looks like the Trump admin is basically
saying at the least we
must be prepared for nationwide
civil unrest. Guys, support twisted
plots before the Civil War breaks.
Let's get this funded before the Civil War
so we can make this through the Civil War. When the Civil War
happens, does everyone got to buy me a Coke?
No. Why would that? Oh, I guess that's kind of true. Honestly, if it does happen, you do also need to buy Tima Coke. So support twisted plots before we get to that point.
What does he mean when he says they're going to get it done?
No, I don't know. He didn't say? And I think he said something vague because I think the Republicans want the snap apocalypse to happen.
The interest in the debt is quickly rising and becoming one of the most expensive items in our budget.
we cannot continue down this path.
No politician will ever come out, except Massey and Rand Paul, maybe, and say, vote for me and I'll cut your benefits.
Massey and Rand Paul probably would say that, yes.
We're going to shut it all down.
And this is really important.
I did a video for the Foundation for Economic Education back in 2021 about the national debt,
because this is when it had really exploded even more so than it already had been after the COVID lockdown bailouts.
And one of the things we pointed out in that video was the fact that when you're very seriously in debt, even though people like talking about the debt to GDP ratio, and that is important to think about, the real thing to consider if you're very in debt is, are you going to be able to keep up with the interest payments, all right?
And we're going to get to a point here where interest payments are going to eclipse federal income tax revenues.
So like every penny you pay in income tax will go towards paying off.
just interest on the national debt.
It's a very bad place to be in.
We're going to have to cut programs before that happens.
No political leader is going to have the heart to cut a lot of these programs.
So I understand why people are arguing.
You just got to let it stop and see what happens.
But what we're headed for isn't going to be pretty.
I'll just be honest.
Tim, you asked me one time on the show, you said,
I think it was my first time.
And you hit me with a real tough question.
He said, Cliff, do you support a national divorce?
And what you just said, Seamus, is I think how I answered it,
which is I don't ever think it's going to be over.
some petty policy. I think it's about food, right? It's about livelihood. And so this snap
issue, what else do the Democrats have in their arsenal as a political weapon to motivate and
move people right now? They don't have any policies. There's no solutions. There's no policies.
They don't really have a leader except soon to be socialist mayor of New York City,
mom, Donnie. So, yeah, I hate to say this, but if I'm their strategist and you're looking at the
drawing board, what other options do you have than to run it back on the George Floyd riots?
and to try to push based on that.
Now, I hope that people are kind of awake to the idea that, you know, look, they've done this before.
There's not really, it's just driven by emotion.
Yeah.
But it worked.
No, I hear you.
Well, and also, I hate to say this man, and I think Trump has done some things in his second term I've been very happy with.
Obviously, other things I've been a bit disappointed with him.
But regardless of where he's at now, the lesson the Democrats learned from 2020 is when they riot,
there will not be the kind of crackdown that there needs to be.
Right?
They've been shaped in that way.
So the likelihood that they try something again, it's not low.
I hope that this is a positive sign as dark as it is,
that if they do try something, Trump is going to put it down.
And he is going to stop them from rioting and burning stores down and stealing from people.
As we can see with the cat Abu Ghazela, I'm trying to pronounce a name right, story,
they're going to revel in this.
They're screaming and cheering saying, yes, because now they're going to
it to recruit. And they're going to say, see, this proves our point. Trump's a fascist.
Yeah. There was videos on the EBT of TikTok account where they're just, a lady has her,
it's amazing. She has a full purse of stolen food and she does like a hall video where she shows
you all of the food that she stole. And it's, it's really, and at the end, she encourages other
people to go out and do the same. Yeah. I fear that nothing can stop what is going to come
except for maybe a multi-series cartoon show
that can inspire people to laugh and...
Who needs civil war?
Twistedplots.com.
We're reshaping media.
I did that plug for you, Seamus.
Thank you. I appreciate that.
Who needs civil war when you have cartoons?
If everybody is just plugged in the Matrix,
eating, gorging themselves, you know?
Well, even whenever we would talk initially
about the concept of civil war and civil unrest,
I guess I'm not the smartest knife,
you know, the smartest person in the world.
But my eyes like when food,
knife, yeah.
When the food goes is when it goes bad, right?
And to me, that was more about supply.
That was in 2020, so it was like supply chains.
That's why I bought like 5,000 boxes of Pop-Tarts.
Yes.
You were the one.
That I used the smart.
This is not a joke.
Did you go downstairs?
Yes, I was wondering why I couldn't get any Pop-Tarts.
What do you mean?
Oh, they're all downstairs.
Oh, I meant when I was out at the store, you bought them all.
And we ordered them.
You know, this is a true story.
on Amazon there was a thing that said jumbo pop tarts
and they look big and I was like yo
so I bought a bunch just regular pop tarts
regular pop tarts at a jumbo box
yeah oh that's fair
you thought you were going to get like a gigantic
oversized pop tart
see I may not be the smartest knife in the drawer
but I know that when you buy a jumbo pop tart
it's going to be a regular size in a big box
it's like I might not be the jumbo as pop tart in the box
but no when you talked about it initially
I thought they were talking about
supply chains because that was the big discussion in 2020. But the idea that the apocalypse for
America would happen over SNAP is almost like too perfect. So I have to jump in because my
mother is talking to me right now from from beyond. So my mom, single mother, five children.
Wow. So I have to tell you that I know what a food stamp is. So there are, there is a safety net that still we have to
make sure that we are helping some folks. I agree. There are some people out there that need to be
purged from these roles that are running around with their $100 nails, their Gucci bags and all that.
That has to happen, but we also have to make sure that we don't forget some of those people that
really need it. And my mother needed it. And she wound up getting her advanced degree in her 40s.
Her son became a lawyer, a judge. I have a sister who's a teacher. All my siblings,
have become productive citizens.
Obviously, we're nowhere near that, the food stamps anymore, but there are sometimes.
So I hope that the government understands that we still have to have safety nets for some people
until they can pull themselves up.
Yeah, well, and overall, I'm very conservative.
I'm right wing.
I do agree in some kind of social safety net.
I think that these things have to be done at the local level rather than the federal level.
I think that having this large federal safety net makes people less aware that this is a
community function and that they should be grateful to the people around them. One of the huge
problems with this being outsourced to the federal government is it builds a sense of entitlement
for a lot of people. But yeah, I said this on the show the other day. I've known a number of
people on EBT food stamps welfare. Some of them were people who I would say one million percent
need it. Like this person absolutely needs it. Others, it was like, why are you getting any of my
taxes? This is actually insane. We had this discussion we were talking about it yesterday where I kind
made the same point where I was like, look, I'm not willing to throw out me ma who doesn't have,
you know, has no, you know, no kids, no family, nobody to support her, no help.
This, I've seen this before amongst not necessarily people in my family, but people who didn't
have any family.
And I was like, I'm not willing to throw them out, you know, the baby out with the bathwater
because corruption is something that needs to be rooted out.
And I understand that at the federal level, the rot is so deep.
And you look at like, it's like what was like one in eight Americans are on food stamps or
something like that, that's not just somebody's mom. That's a whole lot of other people.
And when I referenced that video yesterday about the lady who's like showing off her stolen food
hall, she had the $100 nails and the food was in a Gucci bag.
Yeah. That's right. I saw that video. Yeah. I do not believe that at this point in time,
it's really one in eight Americans who need these subsidies, who need this program. And the
unfortunate reality is the important part of any policy, it's not the intentions, it's the
incentives. And the reality is there is a massive incentive for the Democratic Party to get as many
people on these benefits and entitlements as possible because then you've got a permanent voter.
I think we need a government program to subsidize those in need who are trying to launch cartoon shows.
Like twisted plots.com. Let me make two quick points. Twisted plots.com. Where's that?
Thank you. Thank you. So number one, look, of course we can always say, you know, there are people in need. Well, how do we do
this before the federal government, you know, handled it. Obviously, the local charities,
people will call me a radical free market guy. But there was a time when we were doing this
in a different way, right? We were still helping people, but it wasn't coming from the government.
To Seamus's point, when the feds get involved and then taxpayer money from all over the country
is getting rerouted back to whatever area, you don't have control to track the corruption, right? If you
want to make changes, you've got to do it through the federal government, whereas if it was done locally,
if we were taxed locally, you could argue against some of that at a local city council meeting.
You could argue against not just the dollar amount, but the system, the process, how people are using the system or abusing the system.
But now it's just out in the ether, right?
We're talking about billions and billions of dollars a year from the feds, and the number becomes too big for any of us to make a difference.
Absolutely.
And the people collecting it are less aware now than ever before that someone else had to work for it.
They see like, oh, well, the government gave me this money.
am entitled to it. Whereas in the past, I think people who are on these programs were aware,
this is money that came from my neighbors. I got to be careful with it. I should only use this
when it's necessary, which is why you had people like your mother who had five kids and were
single women who would say, yeah, of course, of course I need this. Let's show to the story from the
post millennial. EBT of TikTok launches and access clips of snap benefits users threatening
violence amid government shutdown goes viral. Well, we got it. EBT of TikTok. It looks just like
lives of TikTok, and let's just play some of these.
I hope they're not really that bad.
And next week,
when millions of people
are going to have to resort to possibly
stealing in order to feed themselves
and their families, and the government
complains, because they will
complain about the crime rate going up,
even though they're the ones who fucking did it.
Make sure you point your anger
at the system and the people
at the top, because they're the ones.
ones who took the food away from families and poor people and serving children.
The poor people just want to eat.
They just want to survive like the rest of us.
Lady, you're morbidly obese.
What are you talking about?
Oh, there's more.
Not only, we're not getting food stamps for next month, but y'all want us to spend all the money on
our cards by the first.
Neither of these people need food.
Oh, I wish I got that because you know your friend who said, oh, I wish I got that because I can barely afford to eat X, Y, Z, but her husband makes like $200,000 a year.
Or the one who was like, oh, I wish I got that big of a tax return, but we have to pay.
But her husband made $200,000 a year.
You call her and ask her for groceries.
She can't.
She's paying her tax bill.
if it's being turned off.
Now hear me out.
In history, the only time that people have ever stood up
against their fascist regimes,
against their tyrannical leaders,
is when they get hungry.
It's not the only, it's not true.
It's actually not true.
It's true that it increases the likelihood for sure.
Seamus, I think, as everybody knows,
the principal driver of the Crusades, for instance, was hunger,
and these knights made their way to the Holy Land
because they were looking for bread.
That's why when people say,
hey, you're Catholic, how do you justify the crusades?
I go, socioeconomic factors, bro.
They're like, it wasn't their fault.
No, actually, I say Muslims had invaded two-thirds of the Christian world, and it was
defensive.
But also, which is true, but we'll also add here that when we're talking about like
EBT food stamps revolutions, the founding fathers, they only revolted because of the
tea.
They were going to starve if they, these are British people.
They survived off of tea.
That was all they had.
So, of course.
This is an interesting clip right here.
This is interesting.
Does anybody else think that on October 31st,
Trump is going to somehow have found money from somewhere because he moves funds around
and they are not going to take SNAP benefits away.
She's right.
This hero and oh my God, I did it.
This is me.
You're welcome, everybody.
I predicted this this morning because the USDA statement on their website outright says
Democrats did this.
On the 31st, Trump is going to come out and do a big statement where he's like,
we're going to be activating emergency funds because we want to be.
make sure that you get your benefits, even though
Democrats blocked it. He's like, but the thing
is, RFK is going grocery shopping with
each one of you to make sure
you don't put anything in your card.
No sugar.
Only the new Coca-Cola
was cane sugar.
This is what happens when you raise
an entire generation on the idea that
food is a right.
That to me, I mean, once again, I don't want to get
won't want to get wonky about it, but food is not a right,
right? But so many people have just been taught
that the government is supposed to do this. When you're
born and it's like your whole family, this is the way. I mean, the entitlement in some of those videos,
these women are 400 pounds talking to us about how they need this right to food. Why am I paying for
their food? And it's right next to the discussion about health care being a human right. And not to say
that the health care system in this country isn't an absolute mess, at least as far as insurance goes
and all of that. But it's the same thing, right? Nothing that requires the labor of another person can be
considered a human right. And I say this with the delicious, sugary wah-wa iced tea.
sitting right in front of me half gallon.
And I agree with part of what you're saying, not the other part.
This actually might be an area where you and I would agree a little more,
but maybe not entirely as well.
I do, so like obviously before a certain age, food is a right,
but like it's a right you have as a child from your parents.
Or like if you've married a man, it's a right you have like as a wife from your husband.
I do believe these things are rights,
but we've gotten confused about who should give them to you, right?
Who is supposed to help you meet your rights?
and when it's always the government all the time, what happens?
Well, now the family is less important,
and there isn't as much emphasis put on it.
And it's almost as if it's very important
for the federal government to destroy any competing power structure,
including the family.
I agree with that, 100%.
With destroying the family?
He wants to.
Cliff says it right here on Timcast.
He wants to destroy the family.
We have created a system by which whole swathes of our society
have been from childhood,
dependent on the government to survive.
Well, and this is so important.
One thing that the left is really good at doing is tapping into your moral intuitions
with language that actually does on its face promote something positive when they're
trying to do the opposite.
So they'll say something like, we should support our hungry neighbors.
Correct.
We should support our hungry neighbors.
We should not have a massive federal program that redistributes everyone's wealth from all
around the country to different parts of the country, and there's no discernment as to who
should be receiving the food and who's scamming the system. When these things are done locally,
you know who's scamming the system. You know who needs the money. They want to make it as
federalized as possible because they don't want those discernment calls being made. Like, they want to
be the ones who ultimately hold the strings with respect to who gets fed and who doesn't.
Is the hardest part about this, just being that America is the size that it is.
So the federal government being the size that it is and the amount of people that it has to help, it's very, very difficult.
You know, it's funny.
That's exactly it.
What do you call it when there are people who have to work to pay for the lives of people who don't?
There's a class of people who get portions.
So we all work.
Portions of our wealth are then stripped from us and given to a class of people who don't.
work. So they can live for free off of us. Yeah, what's that called? What's it called when like you
when your labor is used by other people without your consent? Yeah. Is there a term for that?
I don't know. I guess not. Maybe it's a new thing we just made up. Look forward on twisted plots.com.
Go to twisted plots.com. No, I mean like, um, there were instances biblically we're giving like
a fifth or something of your grain was considered slavery. Look, how much are we taxed now? It's like up to
37% if you're in the highest income bracket. And that's just federally at the lower income brackets.
It's 10%. You can have paying half of your money to the government. And we're like, it's 37.5%.
Well, and the real question is like, don't forget your property taxes. Yes, exactly. The real
question is like, all right, if having you give 100% of your labor is slavery, like, where do we
draw the line and say that it isn't? Right? At some point, it's just too much. It's unjust. And
depending on how much a person actually works and brings in, like a lot of the far left,
they love the idea of government so much, maybe not right now, given the fact that they're not
in power, but they love the idea of government so much. What they don't understand is the best
way for them to increase their ability to make money would be to tax them less, would be for the
federal government to not take so much of every paycheck, but they're kind of just, they've accepted
that that is their reality, therefore they want to get theirs. I hope on the third, I hope Trump
just does nothing.
I hope it just expires.
I don't think that's going to happen.
I know, I agree.
Nobody thinks it's going to happen.
I was talking to Dave Smith earlier.
He's like, no, they're going to do something because it's an economic nuclear bomb.
I mean, the system is broken.
The debt is way too high.
It's going to implode eventually, but nobody wants to be sitting in the throne when it does.
I mean, there's probably lobbyists involved in this right now, given how many of the companies are.
Remember when when soda gate was going on and they were looking at how much companies like Coca-Cola lobby the government?
Remember when a bunch of conservatives got paid money to promote EBT,
Like this is a, like, the government shouldn't be talking to, the government shouldn't be telling you what you drink.
Yeah.
It was funny how many conservatives were like, they're trying to force us to tell us what we can or can't buy.
That's wrong.
And it's like, no.
They're trying to tell you you can't use our money to buy junk food.
And Donald Trump loves Diet Coke.
And they, right, and they gave all these conservatives all got all sold out to do it because they're fake activists as it is.
And then they also promoted India, which was hilarious.
What is this?
I remember that.
It's a side quest.
Yeah.
It's so weird.
I mean,
next time that happens
I'm blocking
every one of those people
and banning them from the show.
Yeah, that's a good idea.
Like, dude,
I'm not interested
in fake opinions for cash.
We don't allow people
to pay to come on this show.
People come on the show
when they have something
to say that's relevant,
important,
and we want to hear
what they have to say.
But if there are people
are getting paid
and they don't actually
believe what they think
and they're,
and I'm not going to have,
I'm not going to associate.
You know,
we have guests
who have, like,
step down from the bench
so they can run for office.
And what is,
what is James O'
Steve say your price has to be your life. I think that's right. It has to be. He's the man.
Because somebody asked me that once. They said, hey, you know, you're doing all this stuff.
You're fighting for these campaigns. You believe in. You know, what if somebody came in and said,
hey, we'll give you a million dollars? You know, is it $5 million? Is it $10 million? Is it $20 million?
And O'Keefe was the first one I ever heard answer that. There was like, there is no price.
It has to be your life or you are able to be bought. And that's a big deal. And I think a lot of
people that jump into this have no idea because there have been plenty of opportunities where
I'm doing a race and somebody says, hey, what if we paid you guys just to not knock doors?
Right?
We had a thing in Florida.
We were trying to legalize gaming and the reservations, the Indians would come in and
they'd offer to pay the people getting petitions.
They would offer hundreds of thousands of dollars, not to work for them to just go away.
Just say, listen, all we need, just pull your people out of the field.
Is that legal?
It is?
On that cause, I have a number you can pay me to not to knock on those.
Like legalizing gaming, I'm not that heavy on.
So if they came to me, I'd give me $5 million and never hear from me again.
Right.
But I just, I mean that people don't realize when there's this much, when you're talking federal government,
when you're talking budgets and you're talking trillions of dollars,
the amount of kickbacks and things and the way they leverage people, O'Keefe's right.
If your price is something other than your life, you're viable.
Yeah.
Well, and this is, that's, I completely agree.
And it's important to remember that.
And it's also important to remember
I'm just going to throw this out here
based on everything we've been seeing
with these EBT recipients.
Again, there are some people
who really need the program.
But if you're threatening criminal violence
if you don't get it, are you not effectively
blackmailing the government?
I will commit crimes unless you give me money.
Trump should instruct that anyone on video
threatening violence should have their benefits
turned off immediately.
We got to jump to the story, though.
We got massive breaking news from Donald J. Trump.
He posted on truth.
He truthed.
The United States is more nuclear weapons than any other country.
This was accomplished, including a complete update and renovation of existing weapons during my first term in office.
Because of the tremendous destructive power, I hated to do it, but I had no choice.
Russia is second and China is a distant third.
But will be even within five years.
Because of other countries testing programs, I have instructed the Department of War to start testing our nuclear weapons on an equal basis.
That process will begin immediately.
Thank you for your attention to this matter, President Donald J. Trump.
Mr. President, I humbly volunteer for a ride-along on one of these tests.
This is massive news.
The recognition of the United States nuclear testing program.
I'm not a big fan of where all this is going.
We're going to make Godzilla.
We're doing it.
We're going to be near upon us.
The people are hungry and we're talking about nukes.
This could go bad very hard.
Well, I got to give it to, there's a leftist meme where they're like,
Donald Trump, food benefits are literally being taken away while the press.
president creates a golden dance hall on the White House.
Like, it is not a good sign.
Yeah, that's going to be great propaganda for the left.
Where do you think they test these? Does he say?
Bro, I don't know.
We're going to fire.
Grocery stores.
There's not going to be anybody in the house.
And we're going to turn it red very fast.
I actually, I have no problem if every country was just going to nuke Antarctica.
Because I want to know what's underneath there.
I think there might be, there's going to be some, we're going to,
find some lizards.
The ice cold.
Could be candy down there.
That's to the truth.
That's what we do here.
This is scary as shit.
I mean, it really is.
I agree.
We're talking, I mean, we can destroy this world a hundred times over with what we all have.
And the fact that we're talking about nuclear weapons again just scares the crap out.
Well, I'm actually not worried at all about it.
Because if I go to Washington, D.C., and I choose.
the Titan 3, the...
Let's do the Castle Bravo, the largest U.S. bomb, and detonate it.
You can see us over here in Harper's Ferry.
We're good.
And we are well out of range of D.C. being hit.
That's why you moved out of Woodbury.
Hold on.
Now hold on, hold on.
If the largest bomb ever designed were to detonate in D.C.,
our windows are going to explode.
We're in the shockwave.
light blast damage radius.
Broken windows stimulate the economy.
Well, things will be great.
Let's take a look at Philly and see how you guys are doing.
Yikes.
So that's the largest bomb.
It's likely not what you'd actually see.
I think...
I mean, that's not much different than...
The Titan 2...
The Titan 2 warhead.
This is the more realistic, the Titan 2 Warhead.
Because this is an ICBM.
We're likely going to see the use of what's called
a multiple independently targeting re-entry vehicle,
of Merv, which can be loaded with between 8 and 12 warheads each, and this is the Titan 2
Warhead.
So the problem with NukeMap is that you see if Philly was hit by a Titan 2 warhead, which is
9 megatons, you can see it hits everything.
I mean, I just want to clarify to everybody, I think, where is a Gloucester County?
That's where I was saying we were in Woodbury.
We were like right here.
It's literally began the bridge, and it was a 10-minute drive into Philly.
That's what I was saying.
We're very, very close to the city.
suburbs basically. There's Cherry Hill, there's, you know, upper Derby. Now the problem is
a Merv isn't just going to be one warhead. It's got to pepper all over in this big chunk 12 times.
So you're looking at with like this bomb here, here, it's going to, it's going to wipe out New York
all the way to D.C. with one warhead. One. Now, there is still good news for us here in
Harper's Ferry in that if the bomb were to hit D.C., I'm going to add, I want to add a radio
to fallout to the detonation.
Oh, it's not showing us very well.
Airburst bomb and why isn't it showing?
What about a surface bomb?
Oh, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, surface.
That's not how they work.
Surface detonations are not real.
I think surface is just when it's really close to them.
No, no, no, right?
Not actually what it's on the ground.
Bombs all detonate above the city to maximize blast damage, but surface detonations don't happen.
I thought that surface detonation referred to like when it's close enough to just
the city and an air burst is when they're just trying to do an EMP?
No, surface is, oh, I mean, I'm pretty sure, no, I'm pretty sure airburst is when it blows up high above the city.
So the blast spreads downward and surface is when it hits the ground.
Because gravity bombs hit the ground.
I believe gravity bombs hit the ground.
Okay.
Because they use a kinetic force from the fall to trigger.
Well, if it hits the ground, here's the fallout.
If DC is nuked with a nine megaton, there you go.
Yeah, not going to be fun.
No.
So my first experience in the Army, I was actually a nuclear biological chemical warfare specialist.
So what does that mean?
If you have that job, that MOS in the Army, when those bombs hit, your job was to go into that area with a radiation counter and figure out how bad it was.
So that was my job, my very first job in the Army.
If there was a nuclear blast, I was supposed to go.
They were supposed to fly me with a helicopter, and I was supposed to detect how bad it was.
I'm glad I got out of that job.
Yeah, that sounds like a rough one.
Okay, I'm sorry, Seamus was correct.
It says the air burst is when it's high enough that the fireball will not reach the ground.
They have very different effects and different reasons.
So surface is at or near the ground.
So it does detonate in the air still.
Okay.
So actually the good news is if Sarbama were detonate over D.C., it would irradiate the entire center.
But Harper's Ferry is clear.
Zero blast damage.
We've got that going for us.
We've got that.
How much did your decision to come here involve the nuke map here?
What if they just knew Tarpers Ferry, though?
What if they just knew Tarpers Ferry, though?
They're like, we've got to get Harper's Ferry.
Can I type in?
Let's see.
Let's just type in Harper's Ferry, West Virginia, and see if it actually will.
Maybe they will.
They were just like no more.
Oh, poor Martinsburg.
Oh, that's rough.
Could you imagine if they were like, we're going to send a message in bomb Harper's Ferry?
There's like 10 people who live there.
That's not true.
Yeah, the ghost of general.
It would literally be just a bunch of people who are annoyed that they could never go into Harper's Ferry because it's always so busy on the weekend.
This is actually pretty brutal.
If the biggest bomb ever detonated,
let's go down to the largest U.S. bomb, 15 megatons,
were detonated over Philly.
Look at New York getting hit by the fallout.
The entirety of New York City is just destroyed.
Bro, everyone's gagging and dying.
How long does it take to,
what does that fallout take to reach?
I don't know.
Is there like a weather?
Yeah, like I'm curious.
Look at this, 1,000 rads per hour.
Wow.
What does that do?
to you?
Yeah, that's
out cooked.
It's horrifying.
Good news, this hasn't happened.
Yeah, good news is this hasn't happened.
What if Trump nukes?
Are we cooked?
None of it.
No, not.
What if he knew?
None of it.
We don't want none of it.
What if he nukes Greenland?
I don't like if Trump is like in like a negotiation with like a foreign power and
you just kind of sets the nuclear football on the table.
It doesn't say anything, but just sets it there.
Trump just nukes.
Nukes, a town of 3,000 in Nuk.
Trump Nukes, nuke.
There you go.
And there's the wind.
You just point it wherever we want.
Yeah, what other cities are there?
So we're testing more nukes, basically, is what I'm getting out of the story.
And we would prefer for those not to go off.
We've seen what the damage would be.
Let's nuke Vancouver.
I'm curious what the impetus was for this.
Leave Vancouver, do Toronto.
Newk Toronto.
Canada is definitely unlisting this video.
Like, no way.
Could it be the...
Wow, look at that.
Look how dense the urban area of Toronto is massive.
The Dodgers fans would love for that to happen right now.
That's actually really crazy.
I didn't realize Toronto's urban was so massive.
It is.
I have been to many of these places.
Wow.
Guelph.
What a name.
I knew somebody from Canada.
They got very mad that I insulted their...
university. I was like, what kind of name is Guelph? And they got offended because I'm an arrogant
American making fun of Canada. Can't do that. That's pretty best up of you, Tim. Well, uh, Canadians
aren't people, Seamus. I don't know that that, I mean, they are technically. That's a joke of YouTube,
calm down. Technically, technically they are. They are a people. Technically.
Technically. Well, uh, once we conquer Canada and liberate Alberta and Saskatchewan,
then we will place the rest of Canada under the...
What's the right word?
Governance, I suppose.
Let's just save Vancouver so they can still make cheap TV shows there.
I think we should bomb Fort Severn.
I don't know why, but there's something about it.
Canadians.
What do you think this is and why do you think Trump is posting this?
Just a negotiation tactic, something to scare foreign governments.
He's like, hey, snap benefit people.
Don't even think about it.
Completely unrelated, but...
It's because Putin has created a new nuke or something like that.
Oh, interesting.
What is the new nuke?
Oh, yeah, that...
What is it?
Something about Chernobyl.
We were talking about this last night.
Nuclear-powered missile?
It's not nuclear, it's nuclear-powered.
This is...
So, this is my opinion that's so far at...
far right it becomes left wing again, which is, I know we talk about the fact that we should be
using nuclear power. It's a very effective form of energy. We won't have meltdowns with current
technology. But where I go so far to the right, I come out on the left is I think like with all
the DEI hires and stuff, I actually don't know that we could confidently handle nuclear.
It's like maybe we should just go back to coal, dude, because if they're put in charge of it,
we're going to see meltdowns all across the country. They're not going to be picking the most
competent engineer. They're going to be going to be, we have the first trans, disabled, nuclear safety
monitor at this plant.
It's going to be like, hold on.
Like, maybe coal is all right.
Maybe we can,
maybe we'll try solar.
Maybe.
Maybe. We're going to go to your chats and rumble rants.
Tim's having so much fun with the newtrient.
Right now I'm looking at Super Chats in Rumpel Rance.
Oh, that's on the screen.
So I thought you were still looking at it.
No.
That's so funny.
He's multitasking.
Twisted plots.com.
I go to twisted plots.
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When we stand together as individual sticks, we are weak.
But when we join together as the mighty...
I knew the reference.
It's Simpson's reference.
We are a mighty.
Yes.
Nobody wants to say it.
No, not on air.
Are you kidding me?
I think we'll get your channel taken down.
No, I think we'll get demonetized if I actually quote the Simpsons thing.
Yeah, if you quote it, but it's just a Simpsons joke.
You're just referring to a bundle of sticks.
I just watched a video yesterday where somebody dropped that clip in there.
Martin is like, like the single stick we are weak, but we come together, we form a mighty.
Yes, that's right.
We can't say it on YouTube, can we?
We'll sit on the uncensored.
But the Simpsons was allowed to say it on air, and that's TDPG.
What gives?
Well, I don't think we'll get in trouble.
I think we'll get demonetized.
You know,
it's language that is frowned upon,
even in its proper context.
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By the way, some politician,
some Democrat politician,
people resurfaced the tweet,
but he said that, basically.
like a bundle of sticks is stronger together.
I was like that's like literally the central metaphor of fascism.
It's so funny.
Democrat is not talking about the fascis.
That was where I saw it.
I was watching a video about like,
it was like,
do you know what the definition of fascism was?
And they included that clip in there,
the Simpsons clip.
Yes.
It's the same root word.
Yep.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Fascist means bundle of sticks.
It's not a joke.
Was it the fascis?
I think, yeah, I think it's a weapon
where it's a bunch of sticks strapped together with a blade in the middle.
What a stupid weapon.
You know what weapons are really dumb as segmented Asian weapons?
What were they thinking?
Just flopping around all over the place?
You're crazy?
Do you don't think it looks cool at all?
Just get a sword and hit someone with it.
Is that difficult?
You know, I feel like you're really Monday morning quarterbacking the samurai here, all right?
You have no idea what they were up against.
The samurai used katanas.
I know, but some of them could have had other weapons, and if they did, that's their choice.
Socioeconomic factors.
Socioeconomic factors played in.
I couldn't afford a sword, so I made dunchucks.
All right, all right.
Made for great kung fu movies.
Jason Dixon says,
Great third chair segment on the Discord.
Shout out.
Yes, it's a new thing we're doing
where the third chair host of the show,
which would be Brett tonight.
But it wasn't Brett Ian was doing a guest spot
on the Discord server.
So if you join us at Timcast.com,
the Discord community,
there are pre-shows, early shows,
after shows, all that good stuff.
And every day at, what is it, 6 o'clock or 6.30?
I think it was like 6.15.
16. Like that's like, I'm going to try and work it out next week at some point to be able to get out there.
I'm like, I'm literally doing my post-production on PCC at that time.
So I usually get here between 630 and 7.
So depending on when I get done, I will try to work that out next week.
But it sounds like a lot of fun.
It was a Discord exclusive, Jason Nixon says, with Ian Crossland.
Indeed.
Big Hail fan says, oh, hey, that thing that isn't happening happened.
Whoa, which thing?
I don't know.
is it the Democrat getting arrested?
Something like that.
The Democrats attacking the police.
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accusing
of Seamus of stealing spoons.
Never done it. You know me. You know I would never do that.
You know me. All right. Millennia Mama says
Snap should mirror Wick. Look up
Wick Foods. Is that what is, is WIC
like limited to bread, milk, and eggs
or something? It's for new mothers, right?
Yeah, it's for new mothers. And it's
stuff, diapers,
milk,
etc. for formula,
et cetera for. I think there should be
drug testing. I think the government should just send you
a block of cheese.
Yeah.
Snap benefits should be a big block of cheese.
It used to be like that.
I know. It was great. Those were the days.
It was yellow.
No, it was orange. Orange cheese is what it was.
Those big blocks that they gave out.
Government cheese.
Government cheese. I'm going to picture of it.
What was it like war surplus, right?
Which is market. Interesting.
Yeah, Wick is fresh, frozen, and canned fruits and veggies, milk, cheese, and yogurt.
No, I thought it was processed cheese was using military kitchens during World War.
War II. And so government cheese is commodity cheese that was controlled by the U.S.
federal government from World War II to the 80s, a byproduct of maintaining an artificially
high price of milk through dairy industry subsidies, which produced a surplus that was in turn
converted into cheese, butter, and powdered milk. The access after designated use was stored in
150 warehouses across 35 states, creating a strategic federal food reserve available for unexpected
surges in demand. Why did we get rid of that? You're telling me they took us off the gold
and they got rid of the government cheese.
It took us off the cheese standard, bro.
It should have been.
Was it American?
It was American cheese?
We were a proper country.
Yeah, it was American cheese.
Like Velveeta, I guess.
Dairy lobbyists, man.
Talk about the best grilled cheese ever.
Government surplus grilled cheese.
That's what I'm talking about.
We did this.
You ever hear the, uh,
Massey joke?
Was it actually Reagan?
Dairy lobby?
No.
One of his best.
Thomas Massey says his joke.
He was trying to cut subsidies to some sort of,
then the dairy lobbyists went nuts.
And his late wife,
Rhonda.
said to him, you know, I didn't know that the lactose industry was so intolerant.
They were protesting his office.
That's a good one.
All right.
Oh, what is this?
Oh, Canada.
That's what it says.
It says, oh, Canada.
I'm like, what is this?
Oh, Canada.
Shout out to the Dominion Society.
Canada, remigration now.
Canada will be restored.
You mean to like the indigenous?
The indigenous Canadian population?
Because they're doing it.
saw what's happening in, uh, in, and, and, and it was it Richmond, I think.
Mm-mm.
They're giving the land back to the Native Americans.
What?
I saw that they did like, uh, an op, like a different version of the Canadian
national anthem at the World Series, too, with some of the lyrics change.
Wow.
Uh, are you, are, are, are you all sad?
You'll never get to taste delicious government cheese.
Oh, yeah, dude.
I think about it all the time.
Have you ever, have, yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, how would you label it?
In Philly, we call it cheese whiz when you get it on a cheese steak, but no, it, it,
It was pretty bad.
It came in a block, and it was probably about 12 inches long, and it was pretty nasty.
But it made you want to get off the government subsidies by, you know, you wanted to go get actual cheese.
You don't think we'll ever have to try government cheese?
I thought you were an optimist now.
We're definitely going to have it in the gulags once in a lot.
Dude, they're not giving us cheese in the gulags.
Are you kidding me, bro?
A high fat, delicious treat?
No way.
You're eating gruel, bro.
Yeah.
I also had the cheese when we were eating sea rations when I was in New York.
in the 80s, so it was pretty nasty. I think that was
left over from World War II as well.
Cheese Whiz is the proper way to do a Philly
cheese steak, right? No, look, look.
We'll disagree on this one because
I say yes, whiz would
out. That's mine. Cooper Shards. You got to do
Cooper Witt. Cooper Witt onions.
That's the new generation. The Wizz
is, yeah, look, when they're stirring the cheese
whiz with a Home Depot paint stir
is what they do. At Pats and Gino's, they're
stirring. You're right. That is the
original way. But when they slab
that paint thing with the WIS,
any cheese that comes in a can to me is not cheese.
So I know, but that's a legitimate Philly cheesecake with that paint stirrer.
It's still delicious.
It's so good.
I'm still very curious about the government cheese because I do want to know.
Like, you mentioned it's nasty, but was there like a kind of cheese you compare it to?
Like, what does it taste like relative to non-government cheese?
So you know how you, when you go in?
Private sector cheese.
When you buy the individually wrapped cheese in the supermarket.
American.
Well, make that.
worse than that.
Bro, I'm on board. I love that.
I know. I'm with him. That's nasty.
That stuff's nasty. It's good on something.
Like, it's good on a grill cheese or on a burger, but by itself, it's gross.
Whenever I see the craft white American, and it's like a blue package of the big white American on it, it just makes me laugh.
I'm like, because that's white supremacy.
You can't do that.
It's actually very offensive to me.
White American.
That's the cheese I eat. It's the only cheese I eat.
We don't need anything else but white American.
All right. Where are we at?
X10 man says I thought Brett's hat said cannabis for sale
it doesn't
my hat
it says Canada oh yeah I I brought that
well it says Canada is not for sale
when I was because I was in Toronto and then Niagara Falls
for my honeymoon and I was surprised by how much
like bravado the Canadian merchandise had
like they learn something from Trump they hate him but now they're all
like oh don't mess with Canada you gotta judge countries on how they can move
merch
is the only way
I mean it was in like the clearance bin
so nobody's buying
They're polite to your face
But their merch is scathing
I had a journalist reach out to me
About the Trump 2028 stuff
And like all these news outlets
Are trying to write about it
And they asked me like
What do what do people on the right really think
And I said no one is talking about it
No one cares
It's like the only reason it became a story
Is because a journalist asked Trump
Or asked Brandon about it
And then asked Trump
And Bannon gave this very
Deadpan answer of like it's gonna happen
no one on the right cared
mentioned it or talked about it
then Trump said you know who I will see I guess
and now the media is turning into something
that literally no one cares about you asked me on the
daily show when I did this week and I had two
left wing reporters text me after
the show and they were like well you kind of gave
a non-answer you know Tim
pushed you a little and I'm like no I just don't care
it's trolling and it's genius
because they're just so fixated
on him being Hitler or fascist
you know more power more power
not even just Hitler they're terrified
of Trump becoming FDR.
They're like, Trump's going to go for more than two terms
and put minorities in camps and start a world war.
And you're like, hold on a second.
He's going to have this obsession with gold
and take everyone's gold from them.
You're like, wait a minute.
You know?
Yeah.
There's other parallels I wouldn't even get into.
There's one scenario where I would support a third term
in violation of the Constitution.
And that is free Philly cheese steaks with cheese with.
Free Philly tacos.
Free Philly tacos.
You got to wrap the pizza.
Dude, no joke.
When we found out about that, we were like,
it's time.
We went to the city to go get them, and it was amazing.
Yeah.
It was great.
I loved the area that we're in.
We were in at the time.
It was a great area, but the problem was Jersey sucked, and we didn't want to move into the city.
You know, the level of political violence had escalated to a point in the New York area.
Like, bombs were planted.
What time was that?
What year was this?
It was like, 2018.
There were several bombs that were planted in New York.
And I was like, man, that with the riots and the escalation of protest and BLM, I was like, I don't want to.
I saw where it was going.
So we went to South Jersey.
And then when the BLM riots happened, we were intentionally in the Jersey side across the bridge.
And then we hear, like, when the riots are happening, we're like, now we're good because we're not in Philly.
We're on the other side.
Then we heard sirens and helicopters and we were like, it sounds kind of loud outside.
And we went outside and we could see the chopper over the bridge because the riders were coming into Jersey.
And we were like, okay, now we're not only in an area where the riders are coming, but we're in a peninsula with no way except for that.
bridge and we have to leave. We can't be here. And so we wanted to be close enough to an urban
metro and an airport, but far enough out that we won't be hit by the riots and the violence
and things like that. So that's why we're out here in the middle of nowhere. I traveled a lot of
places skating. And one of my favorite places that I went to repeatedly was Philadelphia,
which I spent like probably a total of like four months over a couple of, over two years.
there skating temple skating downtown
it was just I loved it there
I was back in like 2009
when you were a judge did you
handle cases like in the city proper
like downtown stuff and things like that
absolutely was a municipal court judge
so I'm a city judge and yes
everything within it in the city
of Philadelphia would come in front of us
did you ever get like a skateboarder who was trying to skate
at Love Park in there for some
I thought I knew it
but I have been to Love Park
right
And Love Park was a national, international tourist destination.
And then obviously, we stopped allowing skateboarders to use it.
Now, I didn't understand why we didn't make a skateboard park right there at Love Park.
It was a great idea for international tourism.
I can tell you why they don't want to because the skaters don't want to go to the skate parks.
The ones who love skating street, they want to be outside of the streets.
But I think the modern skate park expansion has proven that to be not.
mostly not true.
Well, they've grown out of that.
So Love Park is one of the most iconic locations
in the history of skateboarding.
And I think that if you put a park there,
it could have done one of two things,
brought a ton more skateboarders to the park.
But I think it would have,
I think the actual answer was to somehow hybridize
allowing skateboarding there in some fashion.
Like the Brooklyn Banks in New York City.
Right.
Yeah.
So what would it end up happening in that sense?
is that people would meet there.
They'd stay there for like an hour or two,
and then they would go explore the city.
So what you would actually do is give them a place
to kind of coalesce, and then they'd just go out and about.
They're not going to stay there the whole day.
And skateboarders don't have money.
I was really upset with the skateboarders in Philly
because they would go to our memorials for the Vietnam veteran.
The Vietnam, those who were killed in Vietnam,
our memorial wall for both the Korean and the Vietnam War.
And the skateboarders would come and damage that.
That's not okay.
That was something that I was up in arms and was ready to give up being a judge.
I didn't realize.
Well, so this is actually a huge problem inside of skateboarding.
The example I give, we had a skate spot.
So these are skate spots are basically places you can skate that are private property or public property, but they're not meant for skating.
And there was one area where I grew up where you could skate in such a way.
It was a loading dock, meaning you would jump off of it.
There's no damage to anything.
When the security would come by and say, guys, you can't be here.
We'd go, sorry, sorry, we're leaving.
we're leaving, we'd leave. Other kids
would come, and what happened was this one group
of young kids younger than us, like three or four years.
When the security guard came by and so you can't be here,
they smashed out of the windows and then ran.
Wow. And then they built fences around it.
I mean, that's like one of the most fundamental things
you learn in the sport is the type of person who gets
really upset by it. Like, whenever we get kicked out
and somebody get mad. Now, there's times where you've been
trying a trick for like 45 minutes
and a guy kicks you out and your anger gets the
better of you and you're like, ugh. But the thing is
most time they kick you out. I'm like, we are
doing something wrong.
I am wrong.
It'd be funny also if he called it.
He's like, that's the 47th time you've tried that.
You suck.
You can't skate here.
I mean, I'd be like respect, dude.
It's extremely common for security guards, say, one more try, get it, get it.
And then the dude's going to go for the trick and then say, okay, you got to go, you got to go.
But there have been some pretty bad instances.
And one thing that really irks me is prominent high profile accounts in skateboarding, promote skateboarders fighting security guards.
Yeah, I hate that.
And I'm like, this is the stupidest thing imaginable, and it should not be advocated for.
There was this incident happened.
I think it was in Sanfran, these guys were skating at some corporate building,
at great marble ledges they were sliding across.
And when the security guard told him to stop, they basically told him to screw himself.
Security guard started the fight.
He swung on, he, somebody pushed, like he tried to grab somebody.
He got pushed.
So the guard took a swing at a different guy who dipped and then hit him back.
The security guard fell down, hit his head and got a traumatic brain injury and had to have
portion of his skull removed.
And I think, like, put him, comatose.
that skateboarder went to prison
and he's probably still there
I don't know
I was always like
I would always ask for
I'd be very curious
for like one more try
and more often than not
they would give
give me that shot
but for the most part
if you want to talk about
like a dark time in skating
corporate buildings
after 9-11
that was the that was the hardest part
when you would be out skating
let's grab this
as we got the Collins effect
he says you need to find
the clip of the British mother
crying on the news
she is scared for her
and her children's lives
she's afraid that one of them
will be stabbed at any moment
M. Kelly has the clip.
I don't know if you guys saw this, but in the UK,
people are saying they're on the verge of a civil war right now.
Yeah.
Because some, like, Muslim guy just walked up to a random old man and just stabbed him the death.
People there don't realize it's very bad.
They're not just headed for being second-class citizens.
Like, they're headed for slavery.
Because that's what Muslims do when they become the majority in a country historically,
is they enslave the population.
And if they're able to abuse your children and stab people without going to
or with you getting a worse prison sentence for criticizing them,
then they'll get for harming you.
Like, what else do you call that if not slavery?
It's just, it's totally horrifying.
It's totally insane.
And this is something I like to point out because when you have these far left policies
of let's let any criminal out of jail,
let's let a 27-time offender back out onto the streets,
they'll try to scoff and laugh at conservatives for pointing out where that goes.
But it's not like we don't have an example.
You look at Europe.
You look at the fact that there's rapists who they just let out of jail because they say,
oh, they didn't know any better because of their culture or they couldn't help it or we didn't
give them enough welfare or whatever.
It's not like the left doesn't want to do that here.
It's not like they're decent people here, right?
They just haven't had a chance.
Antipathy 17 says, quote, stop looking into suspicious activities surrounding the Charlie Kirk
assassination.
You're acting like you have Israel derangement syndrome.
Wow.
I mean, that's a harsh opinion.
Antipathy.
I think maybe people should be looking into what's going on with Charlie Kirk.
just because you're critical of Israel or concerned about what's when it doesn't mean you're deranged.
Now, the people who are pulling up clips of like random dudes standing around and claiming they've got palm guns or that.
So I was talking about this earlier.
Candice Owens criticized one of Charlie's chief of staff because right after Charlie gets shot, he takes his phone to his ear and as they all run out, he walks out on the phone.
and Ian Carroll and Candace Owens have been like,
this is suspicious, why is he doing it?
And I'm like, why is he on his phone?
I don't know, there's a million reasons.
Someone's on their phone.
And then Candace said, you know what I noticed?
It's strange.
He didn't dial.
I just, I've not dialed a number into my phone
in probably 20 years.
I just don't understand.
People are turning the Charlie Kirk assassination
into a true crime drama and memes.
Wait, is the idea that like he didn't get a call?
He made a call, but he didn't push any buttons?
What are they talking about?
Exactly.
because if you watch the video, you can see this guy, this guy, Mike, is on his phone.
Charlie gets shot, and then he, like, jolts, turns around and starts walking out as people are screaming, and he puts his phone to his ear.
And then later, I guess Colvette and the turning point team said, yeah, he had called Erica or something like that.
And I'm just like, he was planning on calling somebody before the shot happened, and then it happened, and he was a press call.
Okay.
Yeah, I don't know why that's weird.
I don't know. It's like when we had on the dudes debating Charlie Chris assassination and the one guy said Charlie was shot in the back of the neck, clearly. And then showed a video where he was like, and that's where he was shot from. That bush is a man crouched down. And I'm like, but that bush is in front of Charlie Kirk. So I don't understand. What's happening is people are getting millions of views chasing after true crime drama memes. And they're not actually helping investigate in any meaningful.
way because people want the sensationalized true crime drama and it's it's messed up i don't know yeah look
i'll say this uh i know all those guys so it's pretty tough for me i did get to the host charlie's show
the day after the memorial out there in phoenix and my response to everybody is ask any questions
you want let's wait and see you know as all the facts come out but to accuse anybody that is close to
charlie of some nefarious act i don't really think they have to respond to it i know they have you know
they have responded on the show. Andrews put stuff out. Mikey's put stuff out, you know, talking about.
I think Pesobics actually done a really good job of kind of doing a deep dive and being willing to talk about it.
But they knew Charlie very well. Like this is a good friend of theirs that they worked with for years.
So, you know, my response is people can ask questions, but let's let the facts come out. We've got the trial right now.
And I think from there, you know, have your opinions.
There's some things that Candace put out that I've praised her on. I said that she actually did a good job on covering some of this stuff.
but for what reason did she show a picture of, I think Mike McCoy's his name.
Mikey McCoy, take it a phone call and then saying, that's suspicious, that's strange.
And I'm like, no, it isn't.
And why are you accusing it?
There's like, there's no indication that anything weird happened other than you didn't like
that he was about to call someone right before the shot happened, but we don't know what that means.
My point is making a video based on that, making a show based on that, is literally just memeifying
and true crime dramaing nothing.
There's nothing to glean.
There's no information to obtain by accusing.
a guy of something strange and untoward.
The implication is that he was somehow involved or doing something weird because he took a phone call
or made a phone call.
You learn nothing from it other than you sensationalize and people, people, I don't know,
start targeting these people.
This is now like what, like the fifth turning point staff has been accused of some
kind of wrongdoing related to Charlie's death.
And it keeps changing.
It keeps jumping from person to person.
I don't know.
Whatever.
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