Timcast IRL - Democratic Party In CIVIL WAR Over Loss To Trump, Liberal Media BREAKS w/Cenk Uygur

Episode Date: December 4, 2024

Tim, Phil, Libby & Elaad are joined by Cenk Uygur to discuss Jon Stewart slamming Joe Biden for pardoning his son Hunter, Cenk Uygur explains why he's happy that Kamala lost the 2024 election, Tim Pool debating Cenk Uygur on the problem with a direct democracy, and Tim & Cenk roasting Nieman Lab after they blame social media for the collapse of the corporate press. Cenk Uygur is a progressive political commentator, attorney, and founder of The Young Turks, a popular online news and commentary show known for its left-leaning perspective. Hosts:  Tim @Timcast (everywhere) Phil @PhilThatRemains (X) Libby @libbyemmons (X) Elaad @ElaadEliahu (X) Serge @SergeDotCom (everywhere) Guest: Cenk Uygur @cenkuygur (X) | ‪@TheYoungTurks‬  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Since Donald Trump got elected and Republicans swept everything, there's been a conversation in media on the left and the Democratic Party about what they did wrong. And now you've got everybody throwing words this way and that way. And there is a coming civil war in the Democratic Party over who is going to be in charge and whether or not they're going to eliminate the leftist elements, whether they're going to go more moderate, whether the establishment is going to double down and who is the future of this party? Jon Stewart is coming out and roasting Democrats for the hypocrisy on the Hunter Biden pardon. You've got Bill Maher going in his podcast with Jane Fonda saying he may quit because he can't do this. And he said some other things I'm not

going to repeat. And then, of course, we've got many liberal personalities that either had been calling out the Democrats in the lead up to the 2024 election because they knew Biden was losing his mind. Or my favorite, the pundits who flipped on a dime the moment Trump and the Republicans won. Now, all of a sudden they're being critical and they're realizing maybe I was being lied to. So we'll talk about that. Plus, a whole lot more. There was crazy news coming out of South Korea. We don't really know exactly what happened, but there was martial law declared and then it was lifted. And then Donald Trump's nomination for the DEA has, well, he's resigned his nomination after a massive backlash over his arrest of a pastor during COVID lockdowns. So we're gonna talk about that. Before we do, my friends, head over to castbrew.com because

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Who are you? What do you do? Everybody knows who you are, but, you know, you got to introduce yourself. Yeah. Well, host of the Young Turks, founder of the TYT Network, also founder of Justice Democrats, Wolf Pack, Cavalry Pack, ran for president, as you know, and an overall trouble causer. Well, right on. It's an honor and privilege to have you here, sir. Appreciate it. We got Elad hanging out. Hey, everybody. What's up? My name is Elad Eliyahu.

I'm a field correspondent and Jewish affairs correspondent here at TimCast News. Tomorrow, I'm actually going to be checking out a protest outside of the Supreme Court where we'll be hearing oral arguments in a major fight over Tennessee's ban on so-called gender-affirming care for minors. So look out for that. What's up, Libby? I'm Libby Emmons. I'm with the Postmillennial and Humanevents.com. Glad to be here. Hey, Phil. Hello, everybody. My name is Phil Labonte. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains. I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary. Tim? Let's start with this story from Mediaite. So Jon Stewart says, F the norms. And he issues a scathing supercut slamming Joe Biden's hypocrisy in pardoning his son and Democrats defending it. I got a clip for you. And let's we'll start with

this one where I don't know what the point he's making, but, you know, it's funny to see. Faith in the rule of law. Finally, Democrats have a moral perch from which they can judge without shame, hypocrisy, or nuance. Breaking news, President Biden has issued a pardon for his son, Hunter Biden. Mother. We were so close. But you know what? Get fine. It's good. It's right. It's his right. He's an 82-year-old man. Doesn't want to spend the rest of his life visiting his son in prison. Republicans get away with this shit all the time. I'm sure the pardon is a narrowly written, precisely drawn farewell note of compassion for a loved one. The pardon sweeping, covering offenses that Hunter Biden, quote, has committed or may have committed or taken years. Eleven years is a very specific. So you get the point because we've talked about this. But what I find largely interesting here is the audience laughing, John Stewart expressing his incredulity, I suppose,

at the notion of an 11-year pardon. But this is just one example, right? There's another story I can easily bring up here to make this point. Charlemagne Tha God says Democrats have lost the moral high ground after Hunter Biden pardoned. And also, he previously said that he felt like the Democrats were lying to him. So we're seeing a break in multiple parts for the Democratic establishment, the party and its and its media apparatus. Prominent liberal personalities saying, I think I was lied to. Prominent personalities having called them out the

year or longer before all this is going on, like you, Jack, and even running for president saying Biden can't win. And now Jon Stewart, people like Bill Maher, all acting like, I'll just put it this way, many personalities saying all of a sudden, hey, we feel like we were being lied to. Ezra Klein coming out and saying this, and the big question then is, what does the Democratic Party turn into? Is it going to go far left, AOC squad, or is it going to go establishment, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, or is there something else? Yeah, so first let's start with Jon Stewart and Charlemagne. So

those are my guys. I love those guys. Those are allies. And so they deserve credit for saying that Joe Biden was old when apparently people thought that was outrageous and scandalous. And Jon Stewart did a segment on it and everybody got super mad at him. Like when I do it, they expect it. They're like, oh, okay okay there's that annoying guy who keeps telling the truth okay shut up we're all lying we're all lying he's young dynamic young dynamic just say it say it say it right so so but when john stewart said no not young and dynamic obviously old and in mental decline people were super furious charlemagne said it etc so those are the good guys uh so then, you know, you've got Ezra Klein, which we could talk about a little bit later. But I think he's been an interesting guy. I think he's overall positive. He did question Biden a couple of times.

He's taken a little bit of credit here at the end. Anyway, he's a mixed bag. But overall, I like him and we can get into whether that you guys agree, disagree, et cetera. Then there's the Posse of America guys who are – look, on a personal level, I met him a couple times. Don't mind him. One of them, Tommy, did the Young Turks one day, liked him, no problem, et cetera. Good guys in my estimation in our brief interactions. But come on, guys. You're the establishment and you

said that biden was fine and then you said kamala harris was great and they weren't they sucked and so now all of a sudden like there's news reports about pod save america realizes biden might not have been the right candidate oh did they oh i see he might have stayed in the race too long but guys but that's what we were saying and i don't mean it and then you have mainstream media which is way worse than all the people that i just mentioned you know the whoopi goldbergs the joe scarboroughs just the serial liars who lie and do marketing and propaganda for the democratic party so that's the media if you want i'll get into the politics is it your sense that the positive american guys don't qualify as mainstream i mean they were they were if i understand correctly they

they did work with with the obama administration or with barack obama and so they i feel like they're they're as as you know as as mainstream uh democrat as you can kind of get okay keeping it real so this positive america has this funny role in in that they're they're have a mainstream mentality, unquestionably, but they're a podcast. So when the mainstream politicians want to go crazy, they go on Pod Save America. They're like, well, I was on a podcast. I was online. It wasn't even CNN. It was so crazy.

I was talking into a microphone. It was nuts. You saw Jen O'Malley Dillon being like, wait, I can curse on here. And she was so happy about it. And I was like, you don't get to do that all the time, do you? Right. It's cover, essentially, then. Right.

Well, look, I'm sure they genuinely mean what they say. Right. So to be fair to them. And look, I agree with them on a lot of policies. Well, I mean, do they? Hold on. You said they mean what they say, but they were saying that Joe Biden was great. And then they also said that, you know, until Kamala Harris came in, do you think they meant that or were they, you know, were they lying then? So

which, which one, which one do you see? Yeah. So I do genuinely wonder about that, right? So did they really get themselves to believe that Joe Biden was young and dynamic and the best possible candidate for the democratic party, which I always said was the biggest insult you could give to the democratic party to say that a guy whose brain was falling out of his ear is the best candidate we have in the whole country really out of like 150 170 million people you thought he was the best possible candidate so no you can't possibly believe that so that's got to be a lie right uh but but I bet I bet you that all those guys genuinely thought no he's the best we got we keep going. You know, you always and you know what? And the excuse that they have and like they get themselves to believe is, wait, if we show any dissension, it helps Trump.

Doesn't this kind of speak to the NPC meme, though? Like if these people are saying, you know, Joe Biden is this, blah, blah, blah. And then as soon as Kamala Harris says, you know, or Kamala Harris is the nominee, they just switch right out. It really does kind of just it is emblematic of that whole meme where it's like just the new download changes their opinion. And if that's the case, can you trust them? The thing with Democrats, though, is their best thing is unity. Right. Their best thing is providing a solid front. They're like they're like parents when the kid sneaks out and one of them said it was okay or something. You know what I mean? They team up and they get together. And so they're

hard to crack because of that. The old stereotype is Republicans fall in line and Democrats fall in love and Republicans fall in line. Is that no longer the case? No, it's totally flipped now. So that was the case. Now, if you're a democrat and you don't fall in line there's going to be hell to pay okay so is that is that is that it though i mean that so that's been going on for some time but you know so that saying is like the tip o'neill saying from the 1970s all politics is local when now no politics is local it's all national it's all national and right so they still keep saying that stuff but But in reality, the Republicans fell in love with Trump and the Democrats are always told, follow mine, follow mine. Right. And so, like, just real quick to address what you guys are saying. So in the Democratic Party, you know, unity is put out as like the greatest value of all time, when in reality, unity has destroyed the party because it's a forced unity. It's not a real unity. They say, we anoint Biden, we anoint Hillary Clinton, now everybody unify.

What that means is our donors picked Hillary Clinton, our donors picked Joe Biden, so shut up, okay? All you rascally annoying populists and stuff like that and with your stupid Bernie Sanders, no donor even approves of Bernie Sanders, okay? We demand unity, okay? And so that's a fake, fake thing to try to get not unity, but compliance and obedience. There's a good example of this.

Molly Jung Fast was on, I think it was at MSNBC. Yeah, yeah, I think so. She was asked, breaking news, Joe has pardoned Hunter. Hey, this just happened. What do you have to say? And her response was, I have no take on that. I'll have to, I'll have to think about it. And certainly I'm not requiring every single person ever to know everything,

but this is an example of, I can't possibly answer with the democratic party line live on TV. You'll have to give me a few minutes to consult. I have to go figure it out. I mean, the thing is, to be fair to her, I don't know what exactly happened with her.

Maybe she really genuinely didn't know. I'll give her that. Yeah, I think this is an example. I think it's probabilistically an example of I got to be honest, if you took the average conservative and put them on TV and ask them a question, they're going to say something. They're going to have some kind of opinion on it or whatever. And I think this this goes to the bigger picture of and I'll say all these liberal personalities have been complaining about this. Even David Pakman is complaining about it. Conservatives are knocking on the door to come on your show and liberals are like, let me talk with our PR people and see if we can make something happen and they don't do it.

Can I just address that real quick? It's way worse than that. So why does Positive America exist in a sense, right? So that they could – as we talked about, they could feel cool for going online or on a podcast, et cetera. But would those people who ran Biden's campaign ever come on the Young Turks? 0% chance.

None, none, none, none. Kamala Harris, Joe Biden, none, zero, zero. Why? Because we ask real questions. So if you ask real questions, oh my God, they don't want, like. That's why they didn't want to do rogues? Oh, they don't, I mean, but...

Oh, could you imagine? But Joe is kind of soft compared to us, right? Like, even if you're a left-winger or you're a Democrat, you're going to get a much tougher interview out of the Young Turks than you are out of Joe Rogan. And that's why she was such a knucklehead for not doing the Rogan interview. Well, you know what Joe's going to do?

He's an amiable guy, right? He's not looking to ambush you or whatever. He's going to go that's interesting oh where'd you grow up oh that's oh so you were at mcdonald's right he's gonna have that but they can't even handle that right so so that's why the general mally dillons and stuff she's not gonna come we're gonna ask follow-up questions and be like hey why did you turn down hundreds of millions of dollars in earned media and free media i mean you keep raising money you kept asking people for me give me money give me money oh we raised all your money we were called and then but wait that 50 million views that that trump got on rogan is worth an

enormous amount of money then you wouldn't have to keep asking little grandmas for money if you just do earn media right why didn't you do it why didn't you do it right and i could ask 10 20 super tough questions like that and they'll never ever go on a show that asks them those questions because they don't have answers to those questions their answer is what do you mean fall in line unity unity hey listen i did your you well i didn't do your unity can i curse you i already forgot well we try not to okay nobody cried so i already did your bs like i or i refuse to do your bs right uh but this unity stuff is gone man we you wanted us to unify and not and jen o'malley dylan remember

before she ran commas campaign she ran joe's campaign she like if you want to talk about liars make the positive america, I think that they probably got deluded in their own minds into thinking, oh, Joe Biden's 34 or 44. I can't tell, right? But General Malley Dillon knows exactly how senile Joe Biden was. She had conversation after conversation. Everyone on that campaign knew that he has massive mental decline. Massive. Oh, my uncle was eaten by

cannibals oh why hello there bob there's no bob he's shaking hands with an invisible guy called that debunked when he was shaking out it's an invisible invisible guy he's always debunked right i mean he was out there talking to trees in the amazon the thing about john stewart and bill maher is that these democrats are catching up to where a lot of Democrats were several years ago. You know, a lot of Democrats got pushed out of the party because they didn't follow the party line. The Democrats have already abandoned free speech. Yeah, like us. The Democrats abandoned free speech.

They have abandoned their anti-war stance. And if Democrats are going to get any credibility back, they have to return to their roots and actually have values. It's been a shifting sands of like whatever seems fashionably progressive since Obama. I don't know how this version of the Democratic Party recovers. The narrative they keep pushing about where's the Democrat version of Joe Rogan or my favorite was when Wired said there's no there's no Democrat Ben Shapiro, Steven Crowder or so help us a Tim Pool. And I'm like, Joe Rogan was a Bernie bro. And I donated the maximum to two different Democrats in the 2020 cycle. But the Democrats, in my view, totally nuts. I started doing conservative media when I was still a registered

Democrat, you know, because that's where I could that's where I could have free speech. That's where I could openly discuss things. If you wasn't. I'll give you one one quick example before before you jump in. I think an example is I think many of the prominent voices in the liberal media space are just outright lying. It's dominated by the corporate press, of course. And my favorite example to give the man his wonderful shadow that he's that he's always begged for. Sam Seder, when he comes on this show, we invite him here, asks me, I shouldn't say he asked me, but we were discussing abortion and I told him I was pro-choice. He throws a hypothetical at me, rants about how I want women to undergo rape trials or

something to prove that they were raped, and then literally says in the show, that's the clip I was trying to get. And I'm like, OK, if that is the, not the, but maybe a driving force in the show, that's the clip I was trying to get. And I'm like, OK, if that is the not the but maybe a driving force in the alternative media space and then the corporate press is just lying about every single thing that's going on, Joe Biden is is is is fizz a fiddle and strong as a young man, then me, I'm just out. I'm out. So how are the Democrats supposed to recover any kind of real authentic media if. These are are the narrative games they've been playing, or at least many of them have been. Yeah, but so whenever you're talking about Democrats or the left,

you have to distinguish between the different camps, right? Of course. So what's the biggest left-wing show? We are, Young Turks, right? What's the biggest left-wing network? We are, TYT is, 27 is 27 million subscribers right 30 billion lifetime views so when they're like oh i wish we had a joe rogan of the left hey idiots we have more subscribers more views etc and but to them no you don't count because you're honest we didn't mean we want left

wing media we meant we want left-wing media to do our propaganda but you won't do our propaganda well that's why we're popular because we don't do your propaganda right that's why so and they're like no no but we just want to pay for someone to be super popular and just tell us that joe biden is young and kamala harris doesn't have talking points and the donors are not in charge etc well you're never gonna get that Do they not understand that? No, they don't understand it at all. And look, guys, again, this is not left-right. This is populist versus establishment.

So establishment Republicans and establishment Democrats, their whole lives have been relying on establishment media to cover for them. Oh, hey, what are we doing? We're robbing the middle class to pay the rich. Okay, great. Hey, Mitch McConnell and Joe Biden did a beautiful bipartisan deal. Oh, that's so great. They're both so moderate.

They're so moderate the way they robbed all of you guys and gave it to their rich donors. And so it's like a giant marketing operation. If you're on cable news, you're not in news. You're in marketing. You just don't realize it. Let me pull up this Twitter thread. We got this from Cenk Uygur himself. You just don't realize it. Let me let me pull up this Twitter. So we got this from Cenk Uygur himself. You tweeted. I've been trying to figure out why I'm more optimistic now than I was before the election, even though I was so against the guy who won. I know now MAGA is not

my mortal enemy and neither is the extreme left. My mortal enemy is the establishment and they have been defeated. It's not just that the establishment candidate lost. It's that their media is mortally wounded. The source of their strength was not insipid politicians like Mitch McConnell and Joe Biden. The source of their strength was their propaganda machine, the mainstream media. Now, online media is strong enough that their oppressive monopoly on the American mind has been broken. Now we're in the jungle. They hate that.

I love it. This uncontrolled marketplace of ideas is where I'm home. I'd rather be in the populist woods than an establishment prison. So you got a ton of praise from a lot of conservatives saying that, well, you know, Gunther Eagleman, they haven't been defeated. He calls you naive. Matt Gaetz said, I've long said there are coalitions to be made between the populist left and the populist right. My first critique would be it feels a little thick. It feels, you know, the election just happened. And you're a guy who was very critical of Donald Trump in very, very heavy ways.

I still am. So how is do you think Donald Trump engaged in an insurrection on January 6th? Yes. And you think that that's not a mortal enemy of you. You think the establishment is worse. No. So that's where it gets complicated. So Donald Trump, I was dead set against him. Number one,

I don't agree with most of his policies. But number two, after he did a fake elector plot to overthrow the government and he said to terminate the Constitution, I'm out forever. I'm never, ever, ever going to vote for that guy. OK? I don't care if he was a Democrat or a Republican. You write, I want to terminate the Constitution and I'm done with you. OK? So I believe that before the election. I believe it after the election. I haven't changed a single policy position. I haven't changed a single opinion Okay, so but what that comes from Tim is it that tweet is a genuine? Feeling that I had and it's interesting because a lot of our viewers agreed with me Okay, and so the feeling is wait, that's weird. I really didn't want Trump to win. Not like, yay, I wanted Trump to win the day after he won.

No, no, I didn't want him to win, right? But so why do I feel the strange feeling of optimism, right? And I'm not optimistic about most of his picks. I'm not optimistic about most of his policies, et cetera. Certainly not the people who he surrounds himself with. And what I realized, and that's why i say it in the middle of the tweet i know now i figured it out and what it is is we especially on the left you're if you love chilling mysteries unsolved cases and a touch of mom style humor

moms and mysteries is the podcast you've been searching for hey guys i'm mandy and i'm melissa join us every tuesday for moms and mysteries your to gripping, well-researched true crime stories. Each week, we deep dive into a variety of mind-boggling cases as we shed light on everything from heists to whodunits. We're your go-to podcast for mysteries with a motherly touch. Subscribe now to Moms and Mysteries wherever you get your podcasts. An establishment prison, okay? So the minute you step out the guardrail, away from the guardrails, oh, well, well,

well, intruder alert, intruder alert, right? And so, oh, how dare you say that it's the donors, you conspiracy theorist? How dare you say the politicians aren't honest? How dare you say that about Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden? Well, now the how dare you sound hollow. They sound like, no, no, no, no, no. You guys are the morons who lost many, many times. So you don't get to say how dare you anymore, right? So that feeling of liberation within the left, within the Democratic Party is what's critical. And the fact that we're no longer in a strictly left-right spectrum, that we're in a

populist establishment spectrum layered on, those are all incredibly hopeful things. And most importantly, it's that online media, for the first time, beat mainstream media. And so if that's true in a general election, I believe it could also be true in a Democratic primary, okay? Because our number one opponent in Democratic primaries is mainstream media. So Bernie wins in the first three states in 2020, and what happens? It wasn't just that the politicians coalesced. It's that all of cable news coalesced, and they all came in, Bernie's a Nazi, Bernie's going to execute people in Central Park. I don't think any of them called him a Nazi.

No, they literally did. Did they call Bernie a Nazi? Which mainstream media, you're dumb enough to do that. No, going to execute people in Central Park. I don't think any of them called him a Nazi. No, they literally did. Did they call Bernie a Nazi? Which mainstream media? So first of all, you're dumb enough to do that. No, I don't. Wait, wait. Donald Todd said his supporters were brown shirts, which are Nazis. Okay, but nobody's saying Bernie Sanders on these networks. Yeah, no, no. I don't have the quote in front of me here.

I don't have a computer or whatever. But someone insinuated that he was on that side, right? And so it happened three different times. Do you think the election was stolen from Bernie? Stolen is a word that's loaded, right? Agreed. So in 2016, the DNC funneled money from donors into the state parties and then the Hillary Clinton's campaign, okay? So that is illegal.

They should not have done it. I'm sorry, I don't remember if it was illegal or outside the rules of the Democratic Party, but it was definitely outside the rules. I think a lot of people cite in 2020 that because a lot of the different mainstream candidates decided to drop out at the same time is likely for a cabinet seat with Joe Biden. You don't think that was, okay. No, that's just politics.

Yeah. And to follow up, it kind of sounds like through this tweet, you're kind of talking about, I think you're talking outside of both sides of your mouth when you're saying, MAGA is not my mortal enemy. My mortal enemy is the establishment. Can you be a little bit more explicit with what you're talking about policy-wise? Because I feel like a lot of the things you are going to say is MAGA. So please go ahead.

Oh, it was Chris Matthews and Jonathan Lass. They both called, they both referred to Bernie Sanders as, his supporters as brown shoes. But they didn't call him a Nazi. Yeah, Chris Matthews and Jonathan Lass. They both called, they both referred to Bernie Sanders as, his supporters as brown shirts. But they didn't call him a, no, these are very different things. But fair point. And he stepped down. They called his supporters brown shirts. I wouldn't be surprised if they've acted like it

when Antifa came out and rioted very often. I gotta do one thing real quick because you said that Trump called for the termination of the Constitution. I'm going to read the quote Trump posted. Do you do you throw the presidential election results of 2020 out and declare the rightful winner? Or do you have a new election? A massive fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations and articles, even those found in the Constitution.

Our great founders did not want and would not condone false and fraudulent elections. I would draw the distinction. And obviously, I see you're more as a progressive. You're going to view it from a left lens, which is Trump is saying this allows us to terminate the rules. My interpretation is he's saying, in general, a fraud of this magnitude would allow generally for anybody. But Tim, he's talking about that election. And number two, no, there is no provision in the Constitution that says if some rando or a candidate or a president decides that he didn't like the outcome of an election, you can terminate the whole thing. All rules, regulations, and articles. All. All.

Terminate. And the way the right views it is that he's saying the fraud they have committed is allowing them to terminate all the rules in the constitution no damn you're making crazy excuse that's not what that i'm telling you that's that at all not one percent no no i'm not i'm not so you're what he's saying it allows for the determination of all rules regulations and articles in the constitution so what part of that is the left saying and he's saying no no no my point is the left's perspective is Trump is saying this would empower him to terminate the rules. That's the argument they've made. He's at least saying that I want to terminate the rules.

But that's the left perspective. The right perspective is he's saying the actions that have been taken allow in general for these people to basically violate the rules of the Constitution. No, that doesn't make any sense. That's not even close to what he said well i understand that's your perspective i'm telling you what conservatives are saying yeah i don't even think conservatives are so you have you seen that anywhere i mean that's a fun interpretation that you had but i could just reverse everything that by well biden said he was young and dynamic but he meant he was old and senile it would be like saying uh precedent

from the supreme court would allow us to do x y or z not saying that you intend to do it or want to do it but the actions taken by the Supreme Court are allowing the states to do something, right? So when the left says the overturning of Roe v. Wade is going to allow for women to be put in, you know, red dresses and caps, they're not advocating for the handmaid's tale. They're saying a court precedent would allow for something like this to happen. That's the perspective from conservatives. And that's why when you say... Wait you say wait no no i don't get it at all tim how in the world is trump saying we should have massive fraud like this means that you terminate all rules and regulations of the constitution and articles of the constitution how is that interpreted as he thinks the left is saying it so in the instance of the supreme

court issuing a ruling on roe v wade if Democrat said, this allows for women to be forced to give birth, that's not a Democrat saying they want to force women to give birth, is it? They're saying- Yeah, but Trump isn't saying that. Trump is saying that because of the fraud against him, we should consider or do terminate all rules, regulations, and articles of the Constitution.

It's not at all unclear. I'm not telling you that that's not your interpretation. You're not entitled to it. I'm saying conservatives view it from another lens. Yeah, I think that's wishful thinking because they want to make excuses for it. By all means. You can think that. That's why almost every single Trump supporter will say he did not say to terminate the Constitution.

Yeah, that's just nonsense. You're just looking at it and go, okay, I'm going to read it in backwards. So if Bernie said that, I'd be done with him in a second in one second flat any politician i support says oh i maybe we should oh there was something oh you're getting justice against me let's terminate the constitution no get the hell out of here that's it i'm done with you he done all right whatever i mean i don't know look i don't look we can argue about the english language maybe in german he doesn't mean that but in english he said terminate the Constitution. He didn't say the Democrats think to terminate the Constitution.

He said the exact opposite. And, Tim, it's not 1% unclear. So conservatives can take that and go, okay, I wish to interpret it as him talking about the left, even though he says it's about him and the fraud against him. You can wish a sentence to mean anything you want. But that's what it means. And, guys, what are we, pretending that he didn't try to steal the election? Yeah, you can wish a sentence to mean anything you want, but that's what it means. And guys, what are we, pretending that he didn't try to steal the election?

Yeah, I don't think he did. Okay, yeah, all right. So, I mean, we could go back in that old debate, but it doesn't really matter because he won this time around, right? So we're done with it. Now, if he goes back and says, oh, I'm not leaving, then we're not done with it, and that's part of what I'm worried about. So that's why— He's 84 by that point, something like that.

Yeah, so I'm less worried now because the popular vote was on his side. So now the right- You're not seriously scared of him staying in office for another term? Because I've heard that before. Like, I don't know if you seriously believe it. No, but here's the thing, brother. When somebody says, I'm going to terminate the Constitution, when someone says, oh, I don't have real electors, I have fake electors.

When somebody says, I'm not going to pardon my son, and then pardons my son, we're dealing with politics and all of these guys are full of a bit of liars. Nonsense, nonsense, nonsense. So lies from Republican matter, but not lies from Democrats. No, not at all. Not at all. Because both Biden and Trump have done horrific pardons, egregious, unacceptable pardons. But Trump doing a pardon of Charles Kushner, which is very similar to Hunter Biden's pardon,

is terrible. But I wouldn't say, oh, you should never vote for that guy. You can't vote for that guy. That means terminate the Constitution. It doesn't mean any of that. It just means it's a crappy pardon, okay? So there's a giant difference between, hey, I disagree with you, or you did something really wrong,

and I'd like to end the country by ending our Constitution and our democracy. So to Tim's point, whether you guys agree with me or not, whether the right wing agrees with me or not, whether the right wing agrees with me or not, that was my concern. Okay. So am I less concerned about it now? Yes. Not because they've changed at all, but because Trump won the popular vote.

So there was a lot of talk from the right wing of, well, we're not a democracy. We're a Republican. Screw democracy. We don't want democracy. Pete Hegseth writing in his book about we should, you know, gerrymander so badly that the Democrats never win again. Yeah, but there's a bunch of Democrat books talking about packing the Supreme Court and now we're going to have states. And I hate it. And so, I'm

not a fan of democracy. I don't want democracy. See, there you go. So that's exactly what I'm worried about. That's why I'm not right-wing. What about our Democratic Republic? Because we're not a direct democracy. Like, do you mean our type of democracy as a republic or just in general? Liberal democracy is a general colloquial term we use for countries like the United States and our system of governance. And that's what I'm for. Democracy in this idea that majority rules

doesn't make sense. So as the famous saying goes, democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding on what's for lunch. A republic is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. There has to be some chance for minority representation. And that's what we have in a lamb deciding on what's for lunch. A republic is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. There has to be some chance for minority representation. And that's what we have in a constitutional republic with democratically elected representatives. So I like this. And so when I say democracy, if someone doesn't understand the blanket term of what democracy is, they assume you're saying I want fascism or something, which is not the case. I want a system of guaranteed civil rights, a degree of free market, but I believe there should be government regulation to a certain degree.

And I like how we have a system that balances the interests of the minority and the majority in different ways. It's not perfect. It's near impossible to do, but I think we have a great system here. I'm sorry, just to get this straight, you're against DC statehood, against Puerto Rican statehood, against adding states? No, where I was- Because that would be a power play from the democrats no it depends so like dc and puerto rico happen to be more progressive uh democratic leaning now but if they were republican leaning we could still have a conversation but you can see how republicans think it's like an obvious partisan play where they're just trying to get four more senators. Yeah, but the Electoral College is obviously partisan horse crap at this point. It should be fixed and amended.

So that's why it's hard to take your arguments about democracy seriously when you're- Why? Because you don't care about democracy. You're willing to bring in new states- That's not true at all. And you're making outrageous and ridiculous points. You're willing to completely upset our electoral system and then stuff it with essentially four Democratic senators. No, no nonsense why are we even look the original system of the constitution is

deeply flawed so a tiny state like wyoming gets two senators a gigantic state let me just finish the point but in order to fix that in order to fix that or fix the larger college or anything else you have to go through the process. I believe in the Constitution. So you want to call it a republic? You want to call it a democracy? I'm good with all of that as long as we don't end the Constitution. We don't end our democracy.

We don't end our civil rights protected by the Bill of Rights, protected by the Constitution, et cetera. Then we can have arguments about, hey, do we admit Alaska and Hawaii? Well, Alaska's Republican and Hawaii's Democrat. Let's have that conversation. Do we admit D.C. or Puerto Rico, etc.? That's not anti-democratic. That's just a normal political conversation. I agree. So just the way

that you frame the argument about state senators and stuff like that implies that the number of people in the state matters. It doesn't matter. It absolutely doesn't. Well, that's not how in the Constitution. It doesn't matter because it's not about democracy.

The senators are supposed to represent the interest of the states, not of the people. The House represents the people. This is something that you absolutely know. I know. I don't believe it. I think it's a terrible system. I think it's a great system.

I think the Senate is a terrible system. I think it's a great system. I think the Senate is a terrible system. I think that's completely absurd. It doesn't matter. I'm not going to win on that. Okay? But look, I'll tell you this. No, but the fact of the matter is your viewers don't know. They don't understand that the states are supposed to be represented by the senators.

No, of course they understand that. No, they don't. It's elementary civics. We all know it. We just don't agree. No, no, no. And I No, they don't. It's elementary civics. We all know it. We just don't agree. And I guarantee you, if it was flipped, you'd go nuts.

If we had tiny little Wyoming that had the same amount of votes as Texas. Stop trying to change the subject. No, because Florida has... There's Rhode Island. Yeah, no, I'm with you. But if there was more blue states that were tiny,

and giant red states, the reverse of what we have now, I guarantee you, every one of you would be like, this is outrageous. Why did this one man one vote? How come it's not one man one vote? You're just trying to change the subject and deflect. The point that I'm making is when you portray it as if it's not democratic because it's not popular it's not popular uh vote that's what the house is for you're you're misrepresenting what's going on and the your viewers i'm not okay all right that you say your viewers know they do not know all right you made the point i would i would say this here's here's the problem is the 17th amendment because jenka's not necessary or if

jenka jenka's view is that the senators are representing the people that's not wrong since the 17th. It used to be that your state legislatures would appoint people to represent the state's interests, and then we changed it in the early 1900s. I think that's a mistake. I think states should have representation. I'll tell you exactly why. Cenk, do you know about—so I covered the drought in California.

This is—it's 10 years ago. We had a drought in California. I went to Tulare County. 300,000 poor people, a lot of migrant workers and farmers live there. I went to these farms and they were drilling thousands, tens of thousands of feet down into the earth for groundwater so they could water their crops because the drought had been very severe. I went to the home of a poor migrant family that they harvested crops. They had no water. They turned their water on. Nothing came

out. The reason was their wells at their houses only go down 30 feet, but the farmers were drilling down 5,000 to 10,000 or more feet. So the groundwater had been sucked all up for the farms. So the first thing we thought was, hey, they're stealing the water from the poor workers for their business and their crops. Well, the argument was, yeah, but we have to grow food. Otherwise, we don't eat. And I said, OK, well, we got to figure something out, right? So I go to the farms and I said, why are you doing

this? And they said, we provide a third of the economy of the state. We're producing food. I mean, there's nothing here and there's no workers here unless we can grow the crops. I look over and there's a canal full of water. I said, why don't you just take the actual water that you have that comes from the mountains? And they said, we are a county. This is what I heard from like seven different farmers. We're a county of 300,000 people. We voted to keep our water. And the cities like San Diego and Carlsbad with golf courses outvoted us. So we went to Carlsbad and we saw golf courses getting watered. They actually, the people who live there came out and said, we refuse to have brown lawns. We should have the right to water our lawns. Across the street from a golf course with watered green grass was poor migrant workers with no water. And it all came

down to in a system of direct democracy within the state, it was put to a vote and the cities with majorities said, we want the water for the cities, not for the people where the water came from. I said, that's really interesting. So if, not for the people where the water came from. I said, that's really interesting. So if you try to figure out a way to balance this, looking at a national level, what happens if you go to a state like Montana that's about to be inducted and given statehood? And we say, we're going to do everything popular vote. Montana goes, you're going to come in here and you're going to vote to take out all of our water from us. In fact, it happened. Arizona tried suing to file a lawsuit against, I think it was Illinois, to take Great Lakes water. And the only reason it got stopped is because Ontario is a foreign

country and it's part of the Great Lakes coalition. So that would interfere with Canada and international obligations. So Arizona was not able to start shipping water from the Great Lakes, which would have depleted it. So what I end up seeing is you tell the states, here's what we're going to do. There'll be two forms of representation. You're not guaranteed to win. The people may actually vote to take the water and the minerals from your state, but we'll create two systems. One, you're a small state. You'll get one at large representative, but you'll have two senators. Every state gets two senators and the Senate will be your competing voice. So there'll be

some minority representation. Lest we see what happens inside of california where two million people living in an urban center put it up to a vote we two million outweigh the 300 000 we take all their water and they did and those people didn't have any water so i don't think there's a perfect solution for it but i think something there works so tim i can show you thousands of examples where people get outvoted and it feels like an injustice and it's and it feels I get outvoted all the time. Right. And so it is what it is. And that's not a reason to take down democracy. So what I'm worried about is this dangerous talk of, well, some people don't like what the government concluded. So maybe we shouldn't do majority rule. Maybe we should just let.

And if I reverse it and I go, OK, maybe we shouldn't do majority rule. Maybe we should just let – and if I reverse it and I go, OK, maybe we shouldn't do majority rule. You know what? Maybe the Democrats just should rule forever because they're kinder. They're nicer. Let me just ask you – Of course we're not going to agree to that, right? I hope you're not going to agree to that. Let me just ask you – So why would I want the Republicans to – and every single time people go back to, yeah, but the Republicans should be in jail. Let me ask you one clarifying question. In your view for democracy then, would it be acceptable for a major city to vote to take the water away from poor workers? So it depends on the context, Tim.

Just the context they gave you. No, for example, the way that California was built in the first place is they brought the water from Northern California to Southern California. Now, in that time, there was enormous corruption. It was a long time ago. And the guy who owned the LA times, the guy who did the corruption got profited off of it, but it brought water down to Los Angeles and created one of the greatest cities in the world. So, uh, so did that water at some point, was it somewhere else in California? It was, did the people that had all of the water wanted to go down to LA? Probably not. Did the people that had all of the water wanted to go down to LA? Probably not. Did they get out, you know, in that case they were outmaneuvered, but if they were outvoted, I get it. I get why. At the same time, that doesn't mean you leave

them high and dry. It doesn't mean that you say, I don't care about you because I just took your water. Who cares? No, you have to compensate them. You have to do all these things. You have to work together. And you're right at your core of saying democracy, but you need civil rights protection. Civil rights doesn't mean for racial minorities. It means for all of us, for people who are left-wing, right-wing, et cetera. Because if you have a left-wing government or a democratic government, and all of a sudden they go, you know what? We decided democracy is no good. We're just canceling the elections. We're terminating the constitution. We thought there was massive fraud or whatever we thought, right? And so now you guys are a permanent minority. But don't worry, don't worry, you'll be fine.

No, no, that's not acceptable. We stick with this system. But again, I'm not as worried about it today because Trump won the popular vote. I was very worried about it when the Republicans kept losing the popular vote and they started talking against democracy. And so that was awfully convenient as you guys lose national vote after national vote after national vote you go maybe we don't do democracy no no no don't mess around with that now he won the popular vote great then

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Like, I supported Andrew Yang, Tulsi Gabbard, and I supported Bernie Sanders in 2016. In 2020, I thought he was too old, but I generally liked him to a certain degree. And I met a lot of people in 2015 and 16 who were Bernie supporters who, when he got knocked out, flipped for Trump because of border policy and workers' rights policy. So it's crazy now that we're at this point. And that's what I was saying earlier about how the Democrat recovers. If I'm the person who in 2020 was saying, please save the Democratic Party because I'm not a Republican. I don't agree with them on a lot of things. But now here I am.

Here's Joe Rogan. Here's RFK Jr. Here's Tulsi Gabbard. Here's Colin Wright. Here's Elon Musk. All of these people who were Democrats, who were either a little bit progressive or just moderately liberal, are now allowing the Republican Party. Yeah. So a couple of interesting things in there. First of all, that's a wide range of people and they all have different motives and different thoughts, et cetera. So RFK Jr. was definitely a Democrat and would have stayed a Democrat if the Democratic Party didn't push him out, right? Tulsi, I think, was always going to go right wing.

You think so? Why? Yeah. That's a long story. She's, yeah, I don't want to get back into Tulsi, but we called her out as going to go right wing a year before she did it. And we got a lot of pushback from the left. And they're like, oh, you're crazy. She's not going to do that. First, she tried to get in with the establishment Democrats. That didn't work. Then she went to progressives and tried to get in. And there, that was working a little bit.

But then she ran against Bernie, et cetera. And we're like, okay, there's nothing wrong with running against Bernie. But all of a sudden, she loves the drone strikes, even though she claims she's anti-war. She showed support for torture back in the day. With like Abu Ghraib and all of that? Yeah. And so, oh, oh well I don't like

torture but it might be necessary no no torture the minute you say it might be necessary that means you're pro-torture okay let's not go too much into it yeah I got you on my point and that's why I didn't want to get too deep in the details in your case Tim look you were more on the left you know that right and and so you have and your positions that are more prominent that people hear more about are more right wing like okay so some of the culture war issues that you know that i don't want either side playing culture wars etc and some of the things that we've done on the show but i i don't remember every single thing so i but like you know on guns and kyle rittenhouse and and and racial issues etc et cetera, right?

But I agree with Anna Kasparian on Kyle Rittenhouse. Yeah. Well, no, I don't know if you guys exactly agree or not, but I don't agree with Anna on that. So, and we've had that debate on here. What's that? Why? All right, now we're going to get into Kyle. I don't want to just...

So, but Tim... That's not a political position. That's a fact question of what happened. Yeah, all right. Look, I understand what you're saying, Tim, but like almost every time you're in the news, it's for a right-wing position. But listen, let me finish the thought. But I hear you, and you just said, for example, you're pro-choice. And what I'm getting to is it's the left-right thing is not really working anymore, right?

Because your positions, positions yes are sometimes although in a lot of instances left middle right etc now uh and you know our position on crime i don't know if it's left or right anymore right what is what is like i'm against crime but i want police reform is that i think that's left but some portions of the left say no that's not left no you have to be like pretend crime doesn't exist like wait how is that a left-wing position that's not really a left-wing position so my point is you're right it's become jumbled and and it's that's why i talk about it's liars that's that's everything so i'll give you an example uh my wikipedia says that i denied covid got COVID and then sought ivermectin.

None of which is true. Never denied COVID, never sought ivermectin. I got monoclonal antibodies. But Gizmodo fabricated the whole thing. They called me about that. They called you about me getting ivermectin? No, they called me about getting COVID from Tim Pool. Well, so anyway, my point is, I'll give a really good example. When the Burisma scandal happens and Matt Taibbi, he was a liberal guy. He wrote for the Rolling Stone, writes this long substack, I think it was substack, about Victor Shokin, the prosecutor in Ukraine, had a dozen, 12 to 14 open investigations into the CEO of Burisma, Mykola Slachevsky. And then I come out,

make a video and go, whoa, Matt Taibbi has got these documents. Victor Shokin signed a sworn affidavit that he was fired because of Joe Biden coming into making these threats. That's not a right-wing position. So politically- Yeah, I don't think that is either.

But that's all they ever say about me. If I come out and say anything policy-wise, like I'll say, oh, I'm for a form of universal basic healthcare, where I think if you've got like a broken bone or the flu, you should be able to be treated. I think there should be some kind of a welfare system that covers this. Nope. Tim Poole's right wing. I, we had Matt Binder on the show and I'm, I'm pro-choice and being like, I think there's a certain time period, like women, you know, I'm not a fan of abortion.

He called me pro-life. And so when, whenever I'm in the news or something right wing, it's probably because Sam Seder fabricated a clip and then people played it up. So I hear you, Tim. I've been lied about so many times that I greatly empathize with that. But overall, we're agreeing on the major point, which is things don't fit left and right as much as they used to. Back in the day, and here's another reason for the optimism that I have. Back in the day, when I talked to a Republican, I was never going to get agreement on anything. And I was never going to get a real conversation. I was going to get talking points.

And probably you guys felt the same way about Democrats, right? Talking point, talking point, talking point. And that's why, like, for a long time, we had no politicians on the show, right? Because I'm just, I'm like, what's the point? I know what you're going to say. I can tell you what you're going to say before you say before you say right so this is super boring and uninteresting and so so I'm like talking to the right wing I'm just talking a bunch of robots I don't want to do that but now it's not robots anymore so now we've got real people going okay I love Trump and and I think

that they're a little you know too, too enamored with Trump, right? But I got you. But like, do they genuinely believe in freedom? I think they do. I hope they do. And I think a lot of them do. Are a lot of them anti-war? Well, we're going to find out, right?

But I think they are. And so this is the argument that I'm having with the left. They say, no, give no quarter, go maximalist response, et cetera. A lot of people say that, right? And I'm saying, well, let's find out first. Okay. So I know what Trump did in the past. That's why I voted against him. I know what Kash Patel has said and Hegsworth has said and stuff, and that's why I'm against them. Now, having said that, it's a new day. He actually genuinely won this election. So number one, we're not going to get what we want on immigration because the

election was partly about immigration and we lost. OK, so if you didn't want that, then you should have picked a great candidate and you should have won. OK, but number two, if Trump goes out of bounds, I believe that some of the right wing populace will be a check on him. We just saw it with his nomination for DEA. So this is a this is a guy. I forgot his name. Do you remember his name? Is it Chris something? DEA, the Florida Sheriff. Yeah, he resigned today. He resigned his nomination. Trump nominated him for the head of DEA. And the mega base and some who aren't necessarily mega said- He was a COVID enforcer. He arrested a pastor. This is a pastor who apparently spent

like 100 grand to refit his whole uh church so that it was compliant with all the regulations and then this guy still arrested him and then held a press conference saying we've shut this guy down posted about it on on what was then twitter he was very excited about it and then he then he was doing a major vaccine he wasn't right my point is whether you agree or disagree the point is is Trump's base, major backlash, and this guy's been forced to resign. Yeah, I think that's super positive, even though I don't agree with Trump's base on that particular issue. And I'm not saying about the pastor. You guys might be right about the pastor, right?

But like on COVID, you know, I'm on the left, right? And so we can get into the details of that. But the bottom line is, I don't care what the issue is. I care that they held him accountable. And so hold on. Let me just finish that thought. So if they hold him accountable on the DEA guy, what I'm hoping is that they're going to hold him accountable on some of the other picks if it goes wrong.

So we might disagree here, but I think there's team Israel, which is Marco Rubio, Lisa Stefanik, Mike Huckabee and Mike Walls. They're done to satiate Miriam Adelson who gave him $137 million. So now Trump says, let's get, you know, give the Palestinians even more hell. Okay, fine. So far, the right wing is not really going to object because they don't really care about the Palestinians. Okay. Sorry if that off offends you but that's just reality okay but if trump goes okay i am now helping israel to invade iran okay and we're going to go bomb them and we're going to pay for it and you guys are going to be on the hook for two trillion dollars etc then i then i'm super curious is the maga base going to go no we were he'd lose he'd lose every he i think there'd be like 30

percent who'd be like we we trust you Trump, everybody else is going to be losing their minds. I hope so and that's what I'm beginning to believe and that's why I'm now a heretic on the left. How could you possibly think that the right-wing populists are not evil? And I'm saying, I don't think they're evil I think that we might massively disagree

on some issues as you're seeing here, right? But I think that these guys actually mean anti-war and they mean anti-corruption yeah i think trump is corrupt but the democratic party is corrupt the republican party is corrupt so look let's let's let him do some things and then let's react right so what is the you said you're on covet you're you're on the left like how would you describe that? So, look, did I take everything they said as a fact and, you know, from God himself? No, right? For example, they're like, no, it didn't come from the Wuhan lab. This virus broke out right next to one of the biggest virus labs in the world, but we think it was from an armadillo or whatever they thought it was, right? And I was like,

maybe, right? But, no, it was a bad... It was a pangolin. Not for a minute, yeah. For a second, they were talking about pangolins, and they were also talking about bats that were like a hundred miles away in some cave. So, I was like, look, guys,

that seems less likely. It seems more likely that it came from the virus lab. On the other hand, probably the core disagreement we'll have is, so everything's about- Did you get attacked for that? What's that? Did you get attacked for saying that? No, not really, because that one was like so, like, it wasn't a big enough issue, and it was so silly.

When did you say that, then? Well, let's, I want to, I want to- Oh, yeah. Oh, I said it right when they said it, like throughout. Because it made perfect sense. Right, so this is the main point of difference we have. So, it's a society, especially in a democracy

with civil rights, etc., is a balancing act between the individual and the community. Sometimes the community wants something, but that hurts the individual rights, and sometimes you protect individual rights, but that hurts the community, right? So how do you balance those? And a virus is a great example of how difficult it is to balance those. So for example, if you had a virus, unlike COVID, that if upon contact, like you catch it in the air at all, you're dead, right? You're instantly dead.

Well, could we then say, no, everybody's got to stay home? Like an Ebola type of thing? Like an Ebola, but even worse, right? Just to make it an extreme hypothetical, right? So I say, no, then we support the community and we say, yeah, you got to stay home. And yes, I am taking away your individual rights in that particular case. Now, then you have a range of viruses. Like so for smallpox was devastating, not only America, but the US troops

during the Revolutionary War. smallpox was devastating not only america but the u.s troops during uh the revolutionary war and washington said we're going to give you guys all uh you know this thing that's basically a vaccine right but we know it's going to kill a lot of you because back then the vaccines were horrible and it killed a third of his army but it saved the rest of the army and it saved the war and that's why America exists now. You can go back and say, I can't believe he took away their individual freedom. I can't believe not only did he kick him out, he didn't kick them out of the army, but he killed them in a sense, right? But overall, it was the right decision.

So that's why it's not easy. And so in the case of COVID, in the beginning, it seemed so viral that, yeah, I agreed with you should wear masks outside and you want to contain the number of people in a house. Yeah. Now, at some point, it got absurd, right? Yeah. And when it got absurd, I said, all right, guys, we're done with this. What are we doing? The kids got to go back to school, et cetera. Now, looking back at it in hindsight, there are probably a couple of things I would have done differently. But you see what I'm saying by being on the left means in that case, I want to protect the community more. We don't disagree with that. I don't think that's a left right thing.

Trump was the one who came out and said two weeks to slow the spread and initiated the push for lockdowns in the first place. I think the issue was when BLM was protesting and rioting during COVID, the media and prominent personalities were like, this actually slowed the spread. I think that's crazy. I agree. You also had a whole bunch of doctors come out and sign a letter saying that racism was a bigger health threat than COVID. And you also had Andrew Cuomo saying, you know, if you're going out to protest for BLM, then that's okay, but otherwise you need to stay home. And then you had 10,000 people out front of the Brooklyn Museum, you know, protesting for black trans lives. And the rest of us were supposed to stay home because we weren't doing that. Let me do this. Let me jump to this segment.

I want to pull this story up from Neiman Lab. Heavens me, this is one of the greatest headlines I've ever seen. For those that don't know, Neiman Lab is a journalism college university institution. And they report and cover how things go in media. So if you're working, if you're in journalism school or you work in media, you know all about them. Here's their headline. Tuning out TV news might be behind the decline in media trust. No, really. OK, here's the first paragraph. A new wide ranging study finds that trust in news has fallen further in countries where television news use has

declined, as well as in countries where more people are turning to social media for news. So let me just scream this. They are saying, wow, in the places where people don't watch TV news, trust has declined. That must mean not watching TV news makes you not trust them. Perhaps they could look back, think for two seconds and realize people have dumped TV news because they're lying. That makes more sense. Holy crap. This is like something that my son was telling me about where he was saying that the children

of atheists have higher reading levels. And I was like, that's because atheists are mostly intellectuals who went to college. Like, that's why it's not about the religion. You know, what I see here is we all watched a media uncritically just say, oh, Joe's not going to pardon his son. There's that viral video, nine minutes of them saying, but he said he wouldn't do it. And then when he does, they're like, oh, I never saw that coming. We kept reporting on at the Postmillennial. We kept saying Kareem Jean-Pierre said that Biden would not pardon his son.

Biden said Biden will not pardon his son. John Kirby, whoever said it, Biden will not pardon his son. And people were like, why? You know, like we covered this already. I'm like, no, we have to keep covering it because they are lying. And that's going to come out. And we need the record of these lies. And, of course, no one was surprised when Hunter Biden was pardoned.

The people who were surprised, like, where have you guys been? Like, obviously this was going to happen. And then NBC reported that they were considering it back in June after the first conviction on the gun charges. And of course they were, you guys. Of course. But this is for everybody. Do you get the sense that the rank and file Democrat, do you think that they were surprised? Because I feel like they agree with I kind of agree with Cenk on this, though.

Cenk on this one, because they were he's saying that that the unity is the main thing that they have to go along. You know, so I don't even think that they know whether or not they feel that they were deceived. They were surprised because they're marching in lockstep with the approved line. And then overnight it changed without them knowing. But they just they keep going along with the approved line, whatever it is. They're like, oh, we're going this way. Now we're going this way. Now our hair is blue. Now we're screaming.

Now we're not. Jake, I'd like to. Yeah. So this is the part that I agree with you guys most on. So first off, I totally agree with your interpretation of this article. And this is the kind of stuff that basically Noam Chomsky warned about decades ago. And so I had Noam on the show a couple of times. And I asked him one time, I said, so where do you get your news?

You know the New York Times and CNN these things you know skew the news they manufacture consent etc right you're the guy who originally wrote about it so he says what i do is i read the new york times or washington post just for the facts and i ignore all other words sentences etc because that's their bs interpretation so this is a good example so uh you know tv viewing has gone down that's a fact no problem know, TV viewing has gone down. That's a fact. No problem, right? Trust in media has gone down. That's a fact.

No problem, right? And then they say that's because people aren't watching TV and that's why, and they hate online media. No, that's not a fact. You made that part up. Okay. I could take those two facts. And as Tim said, I can interpret that correctly as, yeah, they decline in trust in media. That's why they stop watching TV.

Like it's super obvious. That's a better explanation. And the fact that they write it as if they're writing an objective piece, right, with the exact opposite interpretation is what is maddening. And so that's what I mean by the establishment prison. They all have certain like talking points and a certain group think, and they're going to shove that down your throat. And unfortunately these days, and what I'm greatly frustrated by the democratic party, and that's why I want to reform it is that yes, it's, it's more true of Democrats these days. And that is why they get confused on the pardon, right? Because

to answer your question, uh, guys, no, they really believed everything Joe Biden says. So when Joe Biden said he wasn't going to pardon his son, the mainstream Democratic voters thought, oh, that means that Joe Biden's a saint. He never lies, right? Trump's a giant liar, but all of our – and all the Republicans are liars. Mitch McConnell's a liar, et cetera. But Pelosi and Biden have never told a lie. They're angels, right? I mean, I got yelled at on NPR because I said, look, Mitch McConnell takes a billion dollars and serves his donors, right? And everybody's like, generally, yeah, right, right, right.

And I said, Nancy Pelosi takes a billion dollars and serves her donors, right? They're like, how dare you, right? And then the listeners are irate, the host is irate, et cetera, right? Blasphemy. Blasphemy. So when Joe Biden says he's not going to pardon they genuinely believed it and so they're shocked and what i've been saying all along is guys establishment politicians are all liars like through and through because the central lie of both the politicians and the establishment media is the donors are not in charge well let. The donors have nothing to do with anything. And, you know, there is no establishment.

I was on Piers Morgan, and this is a really interesting story, right, and a sample. Dan Crenshaw, who's more establishment as a politician, right, Dan Crenshaw goes, I said this exact same thing, and he goes, oh, that's ridiculous. There is no establishment, okay? And we don't do what our donors tell us. And I was like, hold on.

Vinny, what do you think? Vinny from a Patrick B. Davis show, right? Right-wing populist. He's like, of course there's an establishment, and of course you guys do what your donors tell you to do, right? See, there is the realignment. Populist agreeing against the establishment. I'm trying to have a little bit of nuance here because I feel like you use the establishment as a catch-all when there are multiple different interests at play

and they're often against one another. So, for example, we'll call Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden both the establishment. But guess what? Nancy Pelosi was behind kind of stabbing Joe Biden in the back. I'm kind of asking this because for all your political opponents, it seems all of them are only motivated by money all of the time. However, for all the candidates you support, all of them are only motivated by money all of the time however for who are all the candidates you support all of them are so pure-hearted so isn't that simple where it's just like no you know if you are a republican it's just he said

pelosi and mcconnell are both no not pelosi i'm saying uh pelosi and joe biden these are establishments of the same party i'm just saying there's multiple the establishment is to catch all and there are multiple different interests powerful interests at play and they're um often antithetical to one another so like there's big tech there's big tech influence and they raise a ton of money elon musk raised over 100 million dollars but apparently it's only a bad raise it he gave it he gave it but when adelson gives 100 million dollars to donald trump it's a bigger deal and we'll no i think both are a big deal oh okay but it just seems like you seem to focus on that a little bit more than the others.

No, Tim Mellon gave even more. Tim Mellon gave $170 million. Is the problem when we have big Democrat donors? I want to talk about media. Can I just answer real quick on one thing? No, brother. So when Matt Gaetz and Josh Hawley stopped taking corporate PAC money,

they then introduced anti-corruption bills, anti-war bills, and I said, there you go. That's the difference, right? You stop taking corporate PAC money. And so I still have huge disagreements with Matt Gaetz and Hawley on other things. But at least they got honest on that front, right? That puts them in the populist camp rather than the establishment camp. And so if there's a delineation, the best delineation is probably corporate PAC money.

And so in terms of Pelosi and Biden, that is a super rare thing. That's why everybody was shocked because especially on the, well, it used to be on both sides, but Trump changed the Republican side. But so on the Democratic side, the establishment never turns on one another, never. So when Pelosi did it to Biden, it was shocking. I couldn't believe it, right? Because here we are, me and a a couple other people saying what the biden's is not young this is terrible etc but we're not going to win that fight we need to push push push until someone like pelosi and behind the scenes obama said yeah no he's too old i think there's more infighting behind the establishment okay talking about media uh because one of the things i wanted to ask you is we can see the established media they're

lying and all these things but i've got some issues with things that you guys have reported in the past pertaining to me and uh i think there's liars on the right in the independent media space uh there are people there was one video where uh this is a couple months ago i i noticed that we were on if you were featured on the front page of youtube default not signed in or whatever i was like oh wow that's crazy and uh i noticed that our viewers featured on the front page of YouTube, default, not signed in or whatever. I was like, oh, wow, that's crazy. And I noticed that our viewership jumped, so I checked with an incognito window. I also noticed a different video where someone took two clips of you and me, totally different videos, you on your show talking about something unrelated to me, me on my show talking about something unrelated to you, but edited it to make it seem like we were debating. It had 40,000 views.

And I had never seen that before, probably because I don't really browse these kinds of videos. But the comments were people being like, oh, wow, you know, Jack got him. Oh, Tim snapped back. And I'm like, wow, they made a fake debate between us. And so certainly I think there's a lot of fake news going all around. But I was going to first ask about, you know, Anna Kasparian. She was saying that after she got assaulted by this homeless guy, she's not only what she called racist, but she saw these other progressive channels were making things up about her and lying about her. And that was like a wake up call. So my response was, yes, this is what we see from the larger left space. An example I have from you guys, and it's not the biggest news story in the world or anything, but just one example off the top of my head is that there were five different studies that came out that

said conservatives are more attractive than liberals on average. And you guys did, I think, three different videos about me. And in it, in one with Nando Villa, who I know, and Anna, who I know, they insulted me, called me ugly, said I was wrong, having nothing to do with news. This is what I get from progressive media when I was 100 percent dispassionate and correct. My point was we had a study that came out as a story from like The Washington Post that said conservatives tend to be more attractive. And I said, this is why you'll tend to see conservatives being fiercely independent and meritocratic, because people who are more attractive go through life, it's easier.

Everybody wants to give them things. And then they say, hey, I lifted myself up by my bootstraps. Why can't everybody else? Liberals who tend to be less attractive say, it's hard to live without support groups and they band together. That's actually what multiple studies have found.

The response I got from you guys was three different segments where I was called ugly, stupid, gross, crooked teeth, putting up ugly pictures of me. And so my question to you is why? And like, how is that any better from the corporate press? So there's, there's two things there. So number one, look, Tim, we went through this last time I was on the show too. So brother, I don't agree with your interpretation. And I think that it's kind of self-serving to say our side is more attractive. And know that you think i'm not saying my side it's not my side i'm not a

conservative i know but i didn't make this up this is numerous studies i got you i don't i look there's eight different ways to frame an article there's eight different ways to frame a study so you got to be careful about what the study so so look we disagree on that but were did we go too far in having laughs, et cetera, about, oh, attractive, et cetera? Yeah, we probably did. Okay. And so, but back then, we were more entrenched warfare, right? And so back then, and the reason why a lot of the right wing has a completely skewed version of me is because people take clips out of usually out of context or you're doing a big long segment they'll take a five second clip a 30 second clip a 15 second clip etc and that's all

the other side ever sees so we see all of your whatever is the right wing points of view right we don't see any of the left wing stuff we don't see any of the independent stuff because that didn't make the news right so for me same thing for right wing media they will show you stuff that they think is outrageous but they're not going to show you all the times that i said oh it's probably from the wuhan lab biden is too old whatever all those things right so that's why we started getting a crazy skewed view of all of us of each other right so part of what anna and i are doing now is we're trying to break down those walls right and so you're here that's why i'm here that's why i was here last time That's why I'm here. That's why I was here last time. That's why I'm going on

Patrick Bet-David again. That's why I'm going on Drinking Bros. And these are all over the place. Like Lex Friedman. What's his politics? Nobody even knows. And I don't really care. I just care about the conversation. I went on Chris Williamson's show. I'm not sure what his politics are.

And so I went on Trigonometry. So what?'m not sure what his politics are, right? Yeah, and so I went on trigonometry. So what? Let's have a conversation. Because part of the reason why we were making fun of each other and insulting each other and doing all this stuff is because we were so separated. We stopped thinking of each other as fellow citizens, fellow Americans. And so for the left, I'm trying to break that down. And guys, go, let's hear them out.

Are they actually anti-war before you make up your mind? Are they actually anti-corruption? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I got you, brother, but let's take, okay, look, the labor secretary. There's no reason not to like the labor secretary. The Teamsters helped to pick the labor secretary. So take the goddamn win. Take the win, right? So if they really want to cut the labor secretary so take the goddamn win take the win right so if they really want to cut the pentagon great are you kidding me we've been dying to cut the pentagon are you now going to say that you're don't want to cut the pentagon to spite trump that's crazy right so we're trying to break down the walls and and have these conversations to that point that's something that we actually have or at least i have and I've heard Tim mentioned as well,

that we try to do or want to see happen because I believe that the craziness that has come from the left is from the extreme left and not from the normal kind of moderate left. And there was a time in the United States where people on the left or people that were left-leaning and people that were right-leaning could go to barbecues together and hang out together and do normal things that weren't

political without trying to kill each other, without actually hating each other. And I think that that kind of stuff starts by coming back to the fact that we're all Americans. We all want what's best for the country, or at least that's the common ground we should be able to find. And if you can talk to people that actually do want what's best for the country, or at least that's, that's the common ground we should be able to find. And if you can talk to people that actually do want what's best for the country, the best for the people of America,

then you can actually start to have a more civil political discourse in the country. And it's something, again, I've talked about this a bunch of times and it's, it's something that's, that's in my opinion, necessary because as,

as much as everyone talks about the meme of civil war, I've talked about, we need an off-ramp, and the off-ramp is being able to talk to people without getting at other people's throats. And that's something that me and Tim have talked about a lot. I think you being here, it's a major win. Absolutely. I respect and appreciate your response on things. I'm sure I've got videos as well.

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You say, oh, you're crazy, you're wrong, but we're here. And that's massive. And I think that's going to, I'm really optimistic moving forward. I'm glad you are too. So let me say a couple of things about it. First, I was guilty of it. No question. I remember writing after 2020, I'm like, I don't want to know any Trump voters. I don't want to associate with Trump voters. I got no interest in it. Okay. And so, but what I've seen is that, first of all, the Trump base changed. I'm the only one on the left saying that. And I'm so curious to see if I'm right or wrong because your only time is going to tell, you know, when Trump does something the base doesn't like.

Is he tested? Et cetera, et cetera. Right. But more importantly, when I started seeing exactly to your point about the Civil War, not only did a big percentage of the right wing want to separate, like Marjorie Taylor Greene was saying, but then in the polls I started seeing, wait a minute, a huge percentage of Democrats want to separate. And so not as much as Republicans at that time, Republicans had lost, right, in 2020. So, of course, they wanted it more. But it was a big number for the Democrats. Oh, maybe we separate out the coasts. And, oh, yeah, and we'll leave the rest of them to die or whatever, right?

Or be living squalor, all this stuff. I'm like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. No, no, I hate this. Because we're supposed to be America. It's United States of America, right? And so that division was good. Now it's gotten to, like, a cancerous state where joy reed is saying don't talk to family at thanksgiving right that's crazy that's crazy so some of my family

members some of my best friends are right wing right and we and we do what we kind of are doing on this show i go you're crazy because you're crazy and then we go have a beer right that's really good that you can do that. I mean, it was like a few days after the election before my mom would return my text. Yeah. I'm sorry to hear that. I know. Yeah, we can't do that, man.

We've got to talk to each other. Otherwise, we might not know when we agree. Well, maybe you can reach out to Crystal Ball and ask her to apologize because I saw that clip from earlier where she lied about about me or maybe she was just wrong and she didn't fact check what she was saying. But, you know, I get sent this clip where you were on her show and she said, I was told to push Russian propaganda or some other nonsense. It was a complete fabrication. Not true. You were even on that show, which is totally independent. No one told us to host you on the Culture War podcast. It was a show that got licensed out. And then I think this is another, you know, so we have the clip here. I mean, it's just Crystal Ball saying, you know, I'm blackpilled because, you know,

Tim Pool took shady money and was told to push propaganda or whatever, which is completely fake, just not real. And so maybe there's an opportunity for, I asked her for a retraction and apology. I don't know what else I'm supposed to do. It's not true. And maybe there's an opportunity for, I asked her for a retraction and apology. I don't know what else I'm supposed to do. It's not true. And maybe there's, you know, you can reach out to her and tell her. You're not going to say, hey, Tim, we'll hit you up? No. Tim, I mean, look.

So how do we fix problems like this? Okay, but Tim, you're going to make me ask you a question. Okay, but if that's not what happened, what happened? You were on that show, The Culture War, right? It was on one episode. You were on one episode, The Culture War, right? I was on one episode. You were on one episode, sure. We produced it in-house. You came to our studio.

We reached out to you, asked you to come on the show. Nobody told us to do that. We produced everything. I own the company 100%, and we licensed distribution, not exclusively, to one company that was run out of Tennessee by a prominent conservative podcaster who worked for The Blaze. That's what happened. After the fact, if she got money from anywhere else, I have nothing to do with that. Right.

It did come from the Russians at some point. Allegedly right now. You acknowledge that. There's a DOJ indictment alleging that RT employees had funneled money through shell companies to Lauren Chen, which she then used to pay out multiple personalities that she had signed agreements with. I don't know about the agreements of any other people.

But the question I asked of Sam Seder and I'll ask of you, you have sponsors on the Young Turks? Yeah. Do you ask them where they get their funding from? When a company comes to you and says, hey, we want to license a segment from your show, do you say, hold on, I got to figure out what company is providing the funding, what's your revenue sources? So, Tim, I would say it depends. If you're a normal sponsor and you had a normal negotiation about CPMs, et cetera, there's no reason to suspect. But we do check a little bit more diligently.

But at the same time, we're not like doctrinarian about, like, for example, Polymark is one of our sponsors. God bless. So some people say, oh, you sure? I don't like them. They're getting investigated or something going on. But we don't take money from oil companies. We don't take money from defense contractors. So investigated or something going on. But we don't take money from oil companies. We don't take money from defense contractors. So there's a whole list of people we don't take money from.

Yeah, so we do do some due diligence, right? And in that case, and I criticize you for this, Tim. Look, that's a monster number. No, it isn't. Okay. Really? How much money do you make per month? So I'm not going to get into how much money we make per month.

No, you can't do that. No, but per video. You can't do that. Per video, getting $100,000 per video is a monster number. No, it isn't. An outrageously high number. That's absolutely not correct. You make $100,000 regularly per video?

So we do eight figures on TimCast. TimCast IRL is an eight figure per year company. So when we get approached by, I'm trying to be careful because we're currently doing contract negotiations with a bunch of different companies and we have sponsors. We have one sponsor that pays us $100,000.

We get, in one instance, we got $50,000 for one ad read. So when we go to contract negotiations and we say, hey, guess what? Timcast IRL is the biggest live show on YouTube prime time. That costs a lot of money. So if we go to contract negotiations and we say, hey, guess what? TimCast IRL is the biggest live show on YouTube primetime. That costs a lot of money. So if you come to Tim Pool and you say, we want to license a show for you, I say, why would I do it? So this is important. And we're rehashing something that most of my audience already knows. I was negotiating with three

different companies. We were fielding multiple offers. One of those offers was $30 million. I took a lesser offer with lesser responsibilities. That's it. You also notice if you look at the indictment that Dave Rubin and Benny Johnson, independently of me, negotiated comparable contracts. How is that possible? Well, they have agents. Agents negotiate on their behalf. When you look at Call Her Daddy selling for $100 million, Joe Rogan for selling for $250 million, Travis Kelsey selling for $100 million. Are those crazy numbers in the podcast industry? So if Tim Pool, who hosts the largest live show, Primetime on YouTube, is approached by someone to license a new show, there's going to be a

premium rate comparable to any other podcast. Now, that's besides the point. Whether or not I negotiate something or not, all of it goes through lawyers. I own the production company outright. For Crystal Ball to then fabricate this. Or maybe she just doesn't know what she's talking about, that I was told to do things. It's an absurdity. It's not correct. My point ultimately in bringing it up is when she propagates this disinformation, which seeks to discredit me and the show, it's just not true. We did a license agreement with a company. I mean, look, someone from the blaze comes to us and says hey we got a vc i ask who it is they say here's the guy that the indictment even mentioned

they staged a fake phone call with me and the vc to because we did our due diligence sent it to the lawyers the lawyers did their research we then confer with other people we had negotiations to then claim that we did something untoward or we are part of some manipulative thing it's discrediting the space and it's and it's it's bad for independent media so tim the the maybe uh the difference in how we perceive it is because left-wing and right-wing media is not comparable in terms of money call her daddy is that she has she has a podcast is different podcast is different because what people were doing was trying to establish market position.

Rachel Maddow got $25 million in her new contract negotiations. Oh, it's absurd. She gets 38,000 views in the key demo. I'm sorry, MSNBC does. Apples to apples, right? So podcasts are different. Cable news is different. So, but on online media,

the left wing has none of the revenue you guys have. We just have normal ads. We just have normal subscribers. We're the biggest, and I've asked everyone else, nobody gets $50,000, $100,000 a video. Nobody gets those deals. You're bad at business. No. Do you know who our sponsors are?

We have normal mainstream sponsors. We do things like BetterHelp. Yeah, we're definitely not bad at business. We've been around the longest on the internet, et cetera. I wish there were sponsors that gave that to left-wing. Hey, and if there's any sponsors watching, we've got a gigantic show. Okay, give us $50,000, $100,000 a pop. We'd love to take it.

Do you do your own ad sales internally? So now we're getting into way too much business talk. But I'm telling you, you ask any left-wing person online, and we don't get a fraction of that money, a fraction. So there's a ton of – look, now let me – not talking about you, not talking about any particular creator. Zoom out. The reason why the right-wing ecosystem generally has way more money is because industry and wealthy people want a right-wing, in the old school ways, the Republican way of thinking, tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts, deregulation. There's all these things that corporations want, industry wants, really rich people want. And the left does not give them any of that. But I'm not for those things.

Right. So that's why I'm saying it's divorced from you like i don't know what your situation is forget the russians but the other sponsors right so i don't know why they're giving you and god bless take it yeah okay i mean if if it's a real sponsor and they're giving you that kind of money i'm not telling you to say no i wouldn't say no right but but on the left what you guys don't see because you've never experienced is there's none of that none of that in the independent left yeah in the independent i i think if you look at like i mentioned uh joe rogan was a bernie bro he very much did not want to endorse trump and four years ago he got i think it was a 250 million dollar podcast deal he was

on the left he repeatedly called for so i mean yeah that's not the perception but again that's fine but kyle kalinsky posted this viral video where he says look at all of joe's progressive and left-wing policies from a few no i'm not arguing that joe look i would never call joe left wing and then i got super frustrated at him for being too right wing for a while i still think he's on the whole on the right. OK, now, having said all that, his positions are all over the board. Right. He's also pro-choice. Yes, you're right that he endorsed Bernie.

And why in the mainstream media can't get it through their head. Why did he endorse Bernie and then Trump? Because it's not left right. It's populist versus establishment. Rogan is a true populist. Right. I agree. And I might disagree with him on a bunch of issues.

And I do. Right. And sometimes I'll get angry about those issues. I don't know if he does or not. That's okay. We're all different people, right? But we're on the same populist side. So in his case, the reason why the numbers are huge is because there was a competition in the podcast market, Spotify, Sirius, and others, where they were trying to establish market position. And when they do that, just like Amazon did in the beginning, you lose money in the beginning and then you make a lot more once you've established market position. So that was the theory as to why they were paying giant numbers for podcasts that they couldn't recoup.

And by the way, most of those deals, they did not recoup. They lost money on most of those deals. So right now we're in what's called upfront fronts. You know what up fronts? Yeah. What I'm hearing, like we've basically got bidding wars going on the contract. That's why I try to be careful because we do contract negotiations. And like I've largely just done Casper and we've promoted ourselves, make our own companies, control our own IP. But to sort of advance the conversation, I just keep harping on us. Since Donald Trump won and all of the media has been reporting that this is the podcast presidency, advertisers are telling us YouTube

is the number one space now. And so what we're likely going to see into next year is I think you guys are going to break the bank. I think Young Turks will probably skyrocket. The things we're hearing, what's happening now is Rachel Maddow, she was getting $30 million. Then she gets $25 because they have to pull her salary down. But MSNBC, their latest ratings, I think, I don't know if it was primetime or whatever, was 38,000 in the key demo. You could make a video of you just gardening and get more views than that in the key demo. You probably, you could make a video of you just gardening and get more views than that in the key demo.

Yeah, that's a bad video for us. And the ratings keep dropping. I know. And the ratings keep going down. They keep going down, yeah. So the advertisers first were going to podcasts like Apple, Spotify, and they're like, audio podcast listeners are deeply engaged, so there's a premium on the CPMs,

like how much they're going to pay per 1,000 viewers. And what I'm hearing now from everybody is YouTube has officially taken over. Advertisers have finally realized, YouTube finally realized, YouTube was suppressing podcasts. You know this. They were treating talk shows like garbage. And they were like, we don't want this for our audience. We want video.

Now they're realizing this shaped the presidency. This is shaping politics. All the big companies are now saying, we want those premium spots. This is great news for all the populists, independent media. The corporate press is going to collapse under their own failures. They're desperate. And what we're going to see is for better or for worse, whatever people might think, Young Turks is going to be able to hire 100 new employees in the next year or two as advertisers start coming around and saying this is obviously where the space is at. And we're going to see the creation of massive networks with

huge stars, with huge salaries emerging. So ask yourself, how do they pay Hannity? What does he get, like 30 to 60 million? I don't know what his salary is. Yeah, it's some huge number, yeah. How do they afford that? Well, their viewership used to be in the tens of millions. Made sense. Now it's all going away and the independent channels are going to start taking pieces of that pie as advertisers look for ways to sell products. And a lot of people don't have cable either. Like if I want to watch an MSNBC segment on my phone, I have to log in with my TV provider.

Well, I don't have one, you know, like I subscribe to YouTube stuff. I subscribe to a bunch of other stuff. I don't have any cable subscription. So let me give you a general business sense of it. So all the things you just said about the advertising space, that's where we agree most, right? So first of all, with television,

they used to have 100 million subscribers. So MSNBC, CNN, and Fox News would range from $1 to $4 per month per subscriber. So that means that we're taking in $100 to $400 million a month. Whoa. A month just from subscribers doesn't count advertisers. Subscribers are a bigger part of their business than advertisers were. And now their average age for all the cable news guys is around 70 years old. They do those shows out of a senior citizen center.

And yet the rest of the mainstream media is like, they're the most important, they're the most important. If we all had audiences that had an average age of 70, what would mainstream media say? They'd be like, they're irrelevant, they're garbage, they're just for old people, who cares? They're so biased, they can't see straight. So now that they've gone from 100 million

to 60 million subscribers, they just lost 40% of their main revenue source. They're reeling. So that Rachel Maddow contract was mental to give her 25 million a year for one day as your ship is sinking and you spun off your company because you know it's going under, right? That is nuts. And so advertisers, generally speaking, are the most conservative people on earth. I don't mean politically. I mean by nature, right? So you could show an advertiser, look, here's where all of the audience is, but they say interesting things. Here's another sign. There's two people watching. They're both 98, but they will say totally insipid things.

Nothing interesting will be said. An advertiser will be like, oh, I'll take the non-interesting one. I'll take the non-interesting one. I don't care if there's no audience. I don't care. Oh, no, no, no. Don't say anything brand unsafe. But now what's interesting with YouTube is with programmatic ads, the rates are going to go up.

And when I put on Fox News or CNN or whatever, skateboard commercials come on. So now it doesn't even matter. YouTube's going to put the ads where the ads function. And this is YouTube TV. So this is an analog for cable. Yeah, the money's shifting in a big way, and the dam's going to break.

That's where I agree with you most. Cenk, I wanted to pivot to one of the issues that I know you're outspoken about, Israel, Palestine and the war in Gaza. I was looking at a couple of clips of you talking about the issue earlier and you accused Israel of genocide. I want to know if you still believe that and if you could elaborate a little bit more on why you believe that. Yeah, 100 percent. So look, Gaza is a slaughterhouse. 44,000 dead, 104,000 injured, 90% of the people displaced, 85% of the buildings damaged or completely destroyed. Now they're taking a 12-square-mile area in the middle of Gaza and saying that's now Israeli land.

OK, well, then was it about self-defense or was it about taking land? So they're starving the people of northern Gaza. The American government acknowledges it. The UN acknowledges it. Every reporter acknowledges it. And they're moving the population down south. When you move a giant population and you starve them and you kill them and then on and on and on, that is a genocide.

So just because I want to see if you're being morally consistent with this, do you think the Russians are genociding Ukrainians? So I'm 100% against the Russian invasion of Ukraine. I hate it, and that's why I believed in supporting Ukraine throughout this. Now the problem is that the defense contractors are making so much money off of it, I can't tell what's actually— More Ukrainians have died in the Russia-Ukraine war than Gazans in Gaza during this most current war.

I'm just trying to understand... No, 11,000 civilians have been killed. In where? And how many civilians were killed in Gaza? Of the 44,000, at least three quarters are civilians. How do you know that? Because Amos doesn't release the numbers. So first of all, two-thirds of them are women and children.

Okay, so right there. Okay, that's a giant number. Second of all, even ifthirds of them are women and children. Okay, so right there. Okay, that's a giant number. Second of all, even if you take the IDF numbers, they've moved them from 9,000, 11,000, 12,000. So let's say 12,000. 12,000 to 44,000 is still a giant percentage. So there's no genocide in Ukraine, according to your definition? I mean, you could hem and haw, but I'm trying to get to it. I think the Russian invasion is horrible, and they took land.

If they're moving Ukrainians from one area to another, forcibly moving them, then I would say that's ethnic cleansing. Okay. And now the one last follow-up. Do you also acknowledge the Armenian genocide? Yeah, absolutely. And so, in fact, the Armenian genocide

is an excellent example of why it's a genocide in Gaza. Well, I mean, more than a million armenians were killed so i feel like these aren't like kind at all and then also the armenians were completely driven out of their land um in turkey like the palestinians what uh kind of like the palestinians well they still exist in gaza at the west bank and it was driven from north gaza okay so brother look armenian genocide what happens is uh the armenians are part of the ottoman empire they rebel why do they rebel because the turks are occupying them in a sense and there's different rules for christians than there

are for muslims there's different rules for armenians than there are for turks the empire lasted for 500 years because those rules were not too onerous but were they different of course they were different did they want their own country they do okay so they rebel when they rebel did they kill turkish civilians of course they did but right i feel like you're justifying it no but i'm not justifying it. I'm doing the exact opposite. You're saying, oh, well, the Armenians were attacking Turks and that's what led to them driving the Armenians out? No, you didn't let me finish. I'm saying the exact opposite. So what the Turks said was, well, they hit our civilians. They're terrorists. And you know what?

They didn't have a military installation. Of course they didn't because they're insurgents. So they were hiding among their civilians. So we had to kill their civilians the church the ottoman ottoman explanation was nearly identical to the israeli explanation they're both genocides and both are justified by yeah but they were they didn't they didn't have uniforms on it and we moved them from to a more convenient place so they would be safer. It's always the same justification. Srebrenica, same exact thing. Oh, we got to move them. Oh, we got to kill them.

We got to starve them. The Kurds were also genocided? So, no, the Kurds are a completely different situation. They're in three different countries at a minimum, maybe actually four in big numbers. And those countries treat them in different ways. So when Turkey, for example, did not allow them to speak the Kurdish language and had different and oppressive rules, I was against it. Did it qualify as genocide when they were trying

to kill them? No, not speaking your own language is not genocide. I think you probably know better than me, but tens of thousands of Kurds were killed and ethnically cleansed in different parts of Turkey, and you don't think that qualifies as a genocide? I don't think that, I don't stipulate to those facts at all. I think that what the Turkish government was doing in setting different rules was wrong, but they changed that. Kurds vote in Turkish elections. They can get elected.

Arab Israelis vote in Israeli elections. But in the occupied territories, you see five and a half million people enslaved, right? Five and a half million people under permanent occupation. That's the definition for slavery compared to what we did and have in this country. I know. You sound exactly like the Turks excusing the Armenian genocide. You sound like the Turks excusing the Kurdish genocide, but I think we have

a different segment. Yeah, okay. So now you want to get into random things and pretend. You just say, oh, I murdered all these Palestinians, but it's okay because I'm beloved Israel.

It's not okay. You did murder them. I hate it. I hate all the wars Israel starts. I hate that they make us pay for all their wars. IDF is the most moral army trying their best to protect every civilian. Most moral army. No, it is Hamas' interest to have as many civilians.

Nonsense. Garbage. Please don't talk over me. I'll let you finish your report. It's within Hamas' interest to have as many civilians killed. No problem. They made us kill them. The poor Israelis didn't want to kill them so they could and chenx it's for impressionable westerners like you and and western

liberals and communists to get misled about this communist what does that have to do with far leftists and communists support the palestinian right wing i know in the west you're saying communists don't support Hamas? Western Communists. Western Communists is not relevant at all! Are you insane? Western Communists support Hamas. Are you insane? Do you think this is about communism and capitalism? No, this is about Israel grabbing more land. Attack, attack, attack, kill.

America paid for it. America paid for it. These are all socialists and communists. Israel is a terrorist state. It's a rogue state. And I'm sick of my taxpayer dollars going to murder Palestinians because Netanyahu wants to do it. He's a goddamn terrorist. He just randomly wants to murder Palestinians.

There's no stipulating factors. Netanyahu is crazy and just wants to kill as many civilians as he can. No, he's a vicious terrorist. And that's why he's only killed 40, allegedly 40,000 Palestinians. Only killed 44,000? Most of whom are Hamas members.

How many Palestinians do you want to murder? All right, all right, all right, got it. How many Palestinian children do you want to murder? 15,000 dead kids. Imagine 15,000 dead kids. They murder? 15,000 dead kids. Imagine 15,000 dead kids. They're not 50,000 dead kids. They're not 50,000 dead kids. Nobody is claiming 50,000 dead lives.

Everyone is wrong except the beloved Israelis. Everyone is lying. You guys don't even agree on the facts of the issue. No, because he's making up facts. Everyone in the world agrees except Israel. Israel says, no, don't believe any reporters. Don't believe any human rights activists. Don't believe the United Nations, don't believe

anyone, don't believe in anything. No, we're the moral army. We only slaughtered 44,000 people. We only slaughtered 15,000 children. Are they 44,000 innocent Palestinians? We're going to go to Super Chats. Why do you think they include everybody? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We're going to go to Super Chats.

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It just crashes all the time. Sarah Hunter says, thanks for being on, Cenk. It's awesome to have these conversations. I agree. And there are certainly many disparaging comments as well. But hey, man, we've got to open up the doors, and got it we got to do this so i appreciate it this is fantastic dart starbucks says jank doesn't believe in democracy or the constitution when it doesn't benefit his side nonsense show one instance where i said i'm against democracy or against uh the constitutional

well you want to pack the senate with democrats i want to pack the senate you want to pack the senate with democrats you want to add two states that will permanently You mean pack the Supreme Court? No, no, no. He wants to add Senate seats. He wants to add states. I'm against backing the Supreme Court. I'm against it. You're for power plays from Democrats to dominate our political process.

If D.C. and Puerto Rico are added, you want to give statehood to Puerto Rico is what you're saying? In D.C. First of all, Puerto Rico has if they want statehood and they vote for it, and we go through a normal process like we did for Alaska and Hawaii, sure, Puerto Rico and Washington, D.C. Haven't they voted for it?

Hasn't Puerto Rico voted to be a state? They did finally, yes. So now that they did, before when they didn't, well then if they don't want it, what are we forcing them to become a state? No. But now they want it. They are part of america so first canada and puerto rico first canada maybe we could do guam as well so we're like how we added republican and democrat i think hawaiian election were added at the same time that's how we ended up with west virginia i

think i i would agree with jen functionally we can't look at puerto rico and say because of their politics we're gonna decide not to allow them statehood. DC, I don't agree with. DC is supposed to be a federal jurisdiction for the purpose of being outside of state. I'm referencing these specifically because there's a book written about this. There's a book written about this, and Democrats have said this is their way to get a power play, by

packing the Supreme Court, by adding different states that they know will be done. So Guam makes sense, because Guam voted more Republican than they had previously, so add both. Well, they're one and one and not DC. Expand the empire. That's a fair argument. So we should have a discussion about that.

So then you could say, hey, is Guam the same as Puerto Rico? Is it the same as DC? These are good discussions. But if they said, oh, let's add Guam because it's going to be Republican. Well, let's not add Puerto Rico. Well, that's not fair. But if they say, let's add Guam because it's going to be Republican, well, let's not add Puerto Rico. Well, that's not fair, right? But if they say, let's add Puerto Rico, but we should consider Guam. You understand why it's a power play, right?

You understand why Republicans view it as a power play check. Okay. But let's talk about this constitutionally. I do not believe it's constitutional to say, oh, well, you're a territory. We would give you statehood, but your politics don't align with one group, so we can't do it. If we start carving out D.C., we'll have carve-outs in different states

that want us to see from one another. It makes sense. You don't carve out D.C. D.C. was established so that the federal government would not be pressured by states. When the Capitol was under the jurisdiction of Virginia and Maryland,

the concern, or would it have been, the concern was Maryland could apply taxes and other pressures forcing the federal government, and that pissed off the other states. So they said, let's carve out this space here from this river in a little diamond shape and other pressures forcing the federal government. And that pissed off the other states. So they said, let's carve out this space here from this river in a little diamond shape and say that's federal jurisdiction only. So I understand we don't do statehood for the federal jurisdiction. It's federal only.

But Puerto Rico is a territory of the United States with a large population. They vote for statehood. I don't think you can be like, oh, no, it benefits Democrats. That's not constitutional. There's a great segment in the John Adams biography because he's the first president that ends up in D.C. And he goes into D.C. in this carriage and it's all muddy and terrible and he's just like, ah, I want to be in Boston.

So really, it's such a cool segment because, you know, D.C. is still disgusting and swampy. We've got a really good deal with the Constitution. You have to follow its rules. So if you want to amend it, you've got to go through the amendment process. It's a whole process. Agreed. We've got a good one here.

This is K-Max McDonald says, since Bernie is going to be too old in 2028, would Cenk like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to run in 2028? Would she be a candidate Cenk would support or any others like her? So I definitely want a populist left uh so aoc uh look everybody's complicated uh so she is part of the group that i started uh with along with three other people who are wonderful folks and she doesn't take corporate PAC money she's really good on some issues, and I agree with her on anything related to the donor money and all the other things that I care about. But she and I diverge on some of the culture war issues and some of the identity politics issues. So that's a normal disagreement within the left, but I would probably support an economic populist way more than I would support someone who's known more for social issues on the left. Anybody come to mind?

Yeah, sure. There's a lot of people who are like that. So first off, when you're talking politicians, Ro Khanna. I like him. I disagree, but he seems to be a good dude. I think he's pretty honest. Yeah, he's very honest. He seems reasonable.

He seems like he's at least willing to discuss things from a genuine position. So Roe comes on our show even when he votes against what we wanted, and then we yell at each other almost like this, okay? And then he comes back again and again, and he's willing to defend his position. We agree or disagree, right? And our audience respects the hell out of him because he's willing to come on and defend his position.

But isn't this one guy who accepts a ton of corporate money too? I think he takes a lot of money from big tech. No, Ro Khanna doesn't take money from big tech. No, Ro Khanna is the first guy, if I'm not mistaken, but certainly among the first who stopped taking corporate PAC money. What you're talking about is individuals that give, and they might be executives in a Silicon Valley company because it's Silicon Valley that he represents. According to Open Secrets, he took at least $170,000 from Google. I don't know if this is from individuals. No, you're right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Interesting how that pans out, though. Yeah. No, but that makes sense. Look, if Joe Manchin takes money from miners in West Virginia, I don't have a problem. If he takes money from a giant mining company and then he serves that mining company i got a problem right so i'm gonna read this one because it's uh it's it's it's like they're trying to insult you

but uh i'm just gonna read it uh i'm not your huckleberry says i used to think jen was a bad guy i now think he's a really good guy with severe mental illness he got help he could be a great help to our country well i appreciate you brother so So at least I got good intent. I'll take it. So no, seriously, this is, that's actually, I'm glad you read that one. Cause that's a very common thing that I get. They say, you know, you're not such a bad guy. And I, you know, I agree with you. I disagree with you. I get it, but you have TDS, right? Trump derangement syndrome, right? So let me explain that. So Trump, when he does things and they take it out of context, I hate it. And I think that's Trump derangement syndrome.

So for example, he said bloodbath when he was talking about the auto industry. We come on The Young Truths and we go, he did not say it in a physical way. He did not say it in a violent way. He said it in regards to the car industry. No question about it. Yeah. Everyone else goes, nah, he's even calling for blood in the streets and blah, blah, blah. That's Trump derangement.

I agree. Right? He goes to McDonald's and he does that photo op. I think it's a great photo op, right? So, look, I'll bust him on, hey, he doesn't actually support higher minimum wage. He supports the National Restaurant Association, yada, yada. I'll give you the substance of it. But as a photo op, it's a good photo op.

And they look at him. They're like, ah, he looked ridiculous. And I'm like, all right, you can do that. But I don't think he looked ridiculous. I mean, and the height of Trump derangement syndrome is when he got shot at, right? And then number one, we got Blue Anon that comes out and goes, no, he didn't really get really get shot at it's all a conspiracy he had a razor in his hand or something yeah so and then and number two is no he wasn't heroic guys he got shot at he comes up and he goes does this and he goes fight fight fight if that's not courage i don't know what courage is right so i i called him

courageous for that and that is i called him courageous for that at a moment where I desperately wanted him to lose the election. Okay. But, but we're honest. So we don't have Trump derangement syndrome. What we have is honest disagreements about Trump. But I would argue that's, and now I'll trigger a lot of people. I would argue that the, a lot of the right wing has Trump derangement syndrome in reverse. They'll see something that he does that makes no sense, that is not a conservative position, that is not a right wing position, that is not a populist position, and they'll go, if Trump did it, I love it. Remember Covfefe?

Yeah, Covfefe. We know what Covfefe was. Trump sausage fingered the phone and accidentally sent gibberish, but there were people genuinely like, no, no, he's saying something. Yeah, thank you. no he is it's sausage fingers he tried to put the phone away it's sent and that's it you know let me just i've got to say something super important here what i just saw here is exactly what i'm talking about that's what i'm going to tell the left wing and i'm saying look guys i think that if trump does things that you guys don't agree with and we might agree or

disagree with you guys right but if you if he does if you guys don't agree you are going to stand up to him and they think i'm but here's the distinction right a show like this uh for instance we have ian crossland on the show periodically i don't know if you met him uh but he hated trump the whole time and he only voted for him because rfk jr joined the transition team and is not any part of the administration and so that literally was it like he was like i'm not voting for him because RFK Jr. joined the transition team and is now going to be part of the administration. And so that literally was it. Like, he was like, I'm not voting for him. And I was like, RFK Jr.'s like, yeah.

So he, like, begrudgingly does it. We have Luke Rutkowski come on this show. And he ragged on Trump the whole time throughout his whole administration for foreign policy, drone strikes, commando raids, all of that stuff. We've had Dave Smith on the show. He's a friend of the show. I like Dave Smith a lot. But the perception from the left is that we are like diehard mega cultists so i will tell you this you know we hear uh i mean we we have varying opinions like elad is the bolton bro neocon we got we get into heated arguments all the time in this foreign policy stuff but we like having that

contrast and that debate and uh and as i mentioned ian but there are a lot of trump supporters i'll give you an example of the the the tiff i got into with these people joe rogan says on his show several months ago i think rfk juniors only makes sense and these prominent high profile trump supporters immediately hate joe rogan and then trump himself truth posts like oh he's gonna get booed when he goes to uc and i'm immediately like first of all joe's my friend and he uh he did he did such tremendous things first of all helping my career and taking care of us when we got sick that dude is is he's one of the best people i know in terms of being a good person so don't don't smack talk my friends i'll defend them but more importantly why are you declaring war on moderates you're trying to win over? So I do think that Trump will probably do something awful.

And you're going to see a percentage of his base just say it was 4-D chess and it was on purpose. But we're fairly moderate and eclectic. We like him. But, you know, Trump had a commando raid in Yemen. Do you know the story, the 8-year-old girl who was killed? No, I'm not sure I do remind you. You know, this stuff, if you want to get my blood boiling, talk about Obama and the drone strike on Abdulrahman Al-Awlaki.

You familiar with that one? Oh, 100%. Oh, dude, I lose my mind every time that comes up. I think Obama should have been arrested for that. I completely agree. And the story there is the Obama administration admitted they did it. They said they were targeting a different terrorist. And oopsie, we blew up a civilian restaurant, a cafe in a country we're not at war with.

And we killed a bunch of civilians, including an American. And I'm like, you admitted it? Charge and trial. Let's go. Donald Trump, one of the first things he does when he gets in office is he signs off on a commando raid in Yemen. Now, the difference here is that no one's admitted to any direct wrongdoing. But the family involved say that an eight-year-old girl was killed in that raid that was signed off on Trump's orders. My response there is I want an investigation. I want evidence. And if Donald

Trump did sign off on this, he has criminal culpability for sending commando commandos into a country we're not at war with, likely at the best of Saudi Arabia, because we do weapons deals with them. And I want to know what happened. So I look at these two and I say, fine, you want to be fair? I think they're both warranting criminal investigation for the death of civilians and war crimes. I got no problem saying that. I say it every single time. There are going to be a lot of people on the right who are going to justify and defend anything Trump does, no matter what he does. Yeah. And the same is true on the left. Like me saying that I thought Obama should have gotten arrested for that. Oh my my God. Heresy. Absolute heresy. Number one heresy you could have.

If I ever run for office, if anyone I'm aligned with runs for office, mainstream media is going to smear the living crap out of all of us because you're going to say, oh, my God, he went on a right-wing show and he said Obama should be arrested. Okay, so but why do I say that? And this is the part that they'll cut out of the clip, right? So he did a drone strike on an American citizen and he did not go through judicial authorization. Okay. He, and so then Eric Holder said something absolutely outrageous. Insane. Yeah. He said due process does

not necessarily mean going through the judiciary. The executive branch can decide due process on their own. By the way, here we are being consistent right yeah i hated it when trump said talked about terminating the constitution and i hated it when obama said due process is not going to a judiciary that's exactly what due process is if the executive branch gets to say i i'm i went through a process i checked with bob who works for me and bob who works for me in the executive branch told me i could murder any american citizen i like eric holder that brock obama himself called his wingman right and i want to say this too because i was wrong about this uh trump did say uh i like to take the guns first and go through dupe and go through due process later yep so i had first uh looked into this and I saw a snippet of Trump saying something after the fact,

and I thought that was the original quote. Then I was corrected when we had a guest on the show from the National Gun, I forgot the organization's name, the Gun Rights Association. And I looked into the video and it's Trump literally saying, nah, you've got these people with guns. I like to take the guns first and then go through the courts, go through due process later. And that's unconstitutional. And so I was wrong about that, and that is a wrong thing for Trump to have advocated for. Yeah, and Al-Ablaqi, they killed him.

It's not even clear that he was a terrorist. He was a propagandist. Yeah. Anwar Al-Ablaqi. So this is the dad, and they killed his son. But then they killed his son, and in a different bombing, in a completely different place. But wait, they also killed his 8. But then they killed his son. And in a different bombing in a completely different place. But wait, they also killed his eight-year-old daughter in a different bombing. No, that was the gunfight.

That was the gunfight. Yeah, the eight-year-old. He took a bullet in a gunfight. Yeah, and that was under Trump. Yeah. So three different ala blaki family members killed, all U.S. citizens killed in three different instances, right? So I see what you're saying about the eight-year-old under Trump. Right, that was when Trump came in.

So that is all extrajudicial. That is totally unconstitutional, totally illegal, totally unacceptable. So the two things, so his teenage son, they allegedly say that he was not the target. I don't believe them at all. And the daughter that caught a bullet in the gunfight that was she was not actually targeted because they were they were going she would she was collateral damage now that now now you can say that that it's unconscionable you can say that it's still wrong you can say that it's still uh still doesn't it doesn't matter and and i wouldn't

argue strongly against it but i just pointed that out for clarity oh yeah i see what you're saying so that's a good point because they're not targeting a u.s citizen on purpose theoretically exactly at least based on their justification yes right now just like the wuhan lab you killed three members of a same family in three different places at three different times and you're telling me it was a coincidence i'm'm telling you my best guess, and this is just a guess, is that Allahou Lockheed was CIA that went rogue and the CIA was super embarrassed about it and thought, oh, what if not only do we have to get rid of him, but what if his family members know that he was CIA and went rogue?

So now that part is total speculation. I want to be clear about that. So I'm not saying that that's a fact. But to be clear about that okay so i'm not saying that that's a fact but it is a fact that they went extra judicial outside the constitution and by the way that's part of why established media is so hypocritical and so unbearable because if trump does it they go nuts and they should and i agree right but when obama does it they're like no that's fine and they well let me add this uh my speculation is uh anwar al-alaki was a jihadi they say he was a propagandist he was

an american citizen and i think he what was that writing out of syria i could be wrong and uh i think they killed him in yemen was he in yemen are you sure you want to fact check while i'm talking uh so possibly see i don't know here what I think. I think they, for some reason, they wanted to go after him. I think they killed Abdulrahman, his son, as a statement to anybody who would oppose us, we will kill your children. Yeah. He was killed in 2011 in Yemen by a strike. Yeah. But we're not at war with Yemen.

Yeah, but we're speculating on that. Right, right, right. You have speculation. I have speculation. But the important part is what we talked about earlier. You can go outside the constitution you can't go outside a new that's crazy and you know in the media the media said obama's only scandal was a tan suit that's infuriating the fact that not on the fact that not only are they do they cover for him but the fact that there is an extra judicial killing that was clearly outside of the the constitution violated american citizens

constitutional right to due process and killed him and the the media won't even address it and they will cover for him to say there was no scandals it is infuriating so back to right wing left wing of populist establishment but interestingly that same media was super happy to work with dick cheney and pretending that iraq was a giant problem for us so it wasn't that they're covering up for republicans or democrats it was that they were covering up for the establishment they they were singing dick cheney's praises a couple months ago just to offer a different opinion on anwar al-walaki he was allegedly a key organizer for al-qaeda yep and as far as i'm concerned if you're an enemy of the united states planning with terrorist organizations who have killed americans before then you're on a short list for getting murdered.

And you should be. That's a terrible idea. No, I think it's a great idea. There's a constitution. The constitution. You can do process. It can't just be. Hold on.

Let me just say. But what if they said, and remember, he's outside the country and we never hear from him. He's not interviewed, et cetera. What if you are outside the country, and let's say a Democrat's in charge, and they go, I think he's working with terrorists. No, do they have evidence that I'm working with terrorist organizations like Al-Qaeda? They say, I have evidence, but I'm not going to show you.

It's just they did it all out of luck. Yeah. There's a little bit more evidence for his terrorist activities and organizing that you guys are working on. That's why you've got to go to the courts to show your evidence. I'm not going to take your word for it. I wouldn't take their word for it if they did it to you, and I wouldn't take their word for it

if they do it for that guy. Do you have a problem with the drone striking of Qasem Soleimani as well? Yeah, I have a different problem with that. The problem there is you're trying to instigate a war with Iran. Why are you doing that? Qasem Soleimani's responsible for the death of American service people in the Middle East. I mean, you were going to say that generically. But but but a lot. Hold on. These are two totally

different things. You're talking about active combat. There's fighting going on. And whether we agree or disagree on a on a political and militaristic decision, there's a lot to break down. If we're talking about an American citizen is overseas and Obama says, I don't have to prove to the American people this person has constitutional rights. And I do think it's absurd in any capacity that the United States would bomb anybody with drone strikes without justification. Granted, we do have a constitutional protection for American citizens that non-citizens don't have in combat areas. Suffice it to say, there's difficult realities. And that is, civilians get killed in these conflicts.

That's why we don't like them. Because they don't deserve to die. They should not die. And the United States does a lot of drone bombing that kills a lot of people. Barack Obama, when they started killing too many civilians, and you know this, he said, military age males are now enemy combatants. Some young man carrying a bucket of water, and they blow him up, and they were like, well, military age male not unacceptable it creates more enemies right which creates more wars that we gotta pay for

right so no and by the way and i'm going to trigger this fella again but that's the israeli strategy hey they're male nah they're terrorists hey guys don't kill the terrorists it'll make more terrorists so just succumb to the whatever the terrorists want you know yeah but no no don't kill the don't kill the terrorists because then you know that Yeah, but nobody said that. No, no, don't kill the terrorists, because then, you know, that'll make them angry, and it'll make more terrorists. There's Bolton bro over here. So when October 7th happens, no, no, no, don't attack. Don't take out Hamas.

No, Iran is terrorist, guys. Go to war with Iran. Go to war with Iran. Keep them there. Take America, pay troops. Is Hamas Iran? No, now it's Iran. Now it's Iran.

Iran came out of nowhere. Get back to Super Chat. Believe it or not, the Uncensored show's coming up in seven minutes. All right, all right, here we go. No more wars for Israel. All right, let's grab this one. Wukun says, Jen, good to see you.

Called the BS of the Democratic Party. Would like to see more of it. Jen, what is something that frustrates you that Democrats do too much of? Oh, a lot. So this, you know, as we talked about earlier, the insistence on unity, which is not unity, it's compliance and obedience. So that's the number one problem that Democrats have. Now, David Plouffe today enraged me because he said something right, but he said it at all the wrong times.

He said, oh, you know what? Next time we should have a vigorous primary. That's what we said. That was the whole thing. That's what we said in 2016, in 2020, in 2024. They did have a vigorous primary after Joe Biden stepped out and Kamala Harris was just simply the whole thing. That's what we said in 2016, in 2020. Although, according to Nancy Pelosi, they did have a vigorous primary after Joe Biden stepped out, and Kamala Harris was just simply the best candidate. Do you like RFK Jr.? So I do as a person, right?

And so I know him a tiny bit. I knew him a tiny bit before he ran. I know him since he ran. And I like his environmental policies. And he doesn't get credit for two sets of policies that I absolutely love and would rather have him be in charge of. One is housing, when he's talking about do not let the private equity firms buy residential homes. It's going to destroy the housing market. It's already destroying the housing market.

And they're going to drive the middle class into poverty, and it's not going to allow us to create wealth creation for the middle class. So I love his, if he was in charge of HUD, I'd be a hundred percent in favor of it. Okay. And I like his, I love his anti-corruption policy, which is let's go for an amendment through the states to get money out of politics. I love it. Okay. Unfortunately on vaccines, we don't agree. Right. But if he won the primary, you'd vote for him. If he was a Democratic nominee and it was him versus Trump, you'd vote RFK Jr. Oh, versus Trump. Yeah, that's easy. And the reason I ask is because I think if they had a real primary, RFK Jr. won. On the Democratic side, no.

You don't think he'd win? The reason he wouldn't have won is, look, there's good reasons to vote against RFK Jr. too. All the things that we disagree on. But on top of that, oh my God, the mainstream media controls older Democratic voters. Sure. And they would have demagogued him to, like they already did. But they, I mean, take what they did to him and multiply it by 200 if he had any chance of winning the Democratic primary. They'd never stand for it.

I know it happened to me. It happened to Bernie. It happened to everyone who challenges the establishment. And I'm totally on the left. We've gone through all the debates, et cetera, et cetera, right? And when I ran for Congress, the New York Times, CNN, LA Times all painted me as a right-winger. New York Times said I was anti-Muslim and didn't point out, I had a guy from a Muslim family.

I'm atheist now, but his family's Muslim. What the hell? Well, that proves it, actually. It sounds very anti-Muslim of you to leave the faith. And so while the radical fundamentalist Muslims would agree, but that wasn't what the New York Times was saying. The New York Times was just lying about me.

We're having this conversation. I brought on, like we're having this conversation, I brought on David Duke to find out what's driving you. Why are you in favor of Trump? And so, and I called him every- I attack you for it. Oh, I called him every name in the book during the interview. Because, you know, if you get me worked up,

hey, I'm gonna come for you. You're kidding. And by the way, the number one thing I called him was anti-Semitic. Why? Because whatever I asked him, he's like, the Jews are in charge. The Jews are on the bank. So he'd start naming Jewish bankers.

I'd start naming Irish bankers. We did that, too. We brought up all the Irish bankers. But then you usually hit them with the Jewish donors after. You're like, no, Marian Adelson is why Trump is totally loyal to Israel, right? This guy. Okay. So every donor is bad except a Jewish donor.

No, no, no. All the donors are bad except for the ones who donate to left-wing causes. And everybody I don't like is a grifter. No, no. I would get all money out of politics. All of it. Okay? So, anyways, the New York Times then says, oh, Cenk agreed with David Duke that he's

not racist. Oh, I remember this. What the? Like, other journalists were like, guys, you got carried away here. I know we like to smear people that are populist, but if you watch the interview, he did the exact opposite.

So this is as brazen a lie as it gets, and they had to issue a retraction on that one. The whole thing's filled with lies. So on RFK Jr., oh, you'd have had the dead bears and the whales and the brain worm, and then multiply it by 200. They would have come up with everything in the world against them. People forget that all politicians are impure and take donations and lie.

I mean, they're politicians. Their entire purpose is to maintain power. And look, so RFK Jr. had a particularly colorful life. Oh, for sure. Right? We all read about the bear. Yeah. So that's a target target rich environment to begin with. But normally what they do is needle in a haystack.

So my whole career is as a left wing commentator. But they found one or two things they could paint me as a right winger, because the district I was running in was a Democratic district at that point. So they say, oh, look, he criticized Obama, which, by the way, literally, again, New York Times said that.

They didn't say that I criticized him from a left-wing perspective. Also, why can't you criticize the president? Exactly. I'm like, you're the New York Times, and you're trying to paint me as a right-winger because I criticized Obama, and you claim you're for freedom and journalism

and freedom of the press, et cetera. Well, because they wanted you to do what you were told. They wanted you to toe the line. to do what you were told. Right. They wanted you to toe the line. Exactly. So they, and they'll do it for anyone. And look,

so Gates and Hanks have significant sexual scandals. Right. And so did Madison. So that's what I'm getting to. And Madison Cawthorne. Right. So now, but wait a minute,

let's distinguish. So if Matt Gates is all he's doing is drugs and infidelity, I don't care at all. I don't agree with Ann Coulter. Adultery is not my business. That's their business. Okay. If he crossed the line and was with a 17 year old and you could prove it, okay, that then I'm out. Okay. I don't want it. And that's too far, but wait a minute. Now let's look at Madison Cawthorne. So apparently they had pictures of him dressed up in funny ways and with girls and whatever all this stuff but they never released it until he criticized the Republican establishment yeah well and then all of a sudden here comes all these pictures right and I'm like wait wait wait

I don't agree with Madison Cawthorn on the policies but what do these pictures have anything to do with with anything like so he was at a party and he dressed up like this or that and he was with girls why does he have to be with guys like what what is this i don't understand this with so like you have to use your mind and with hexeth on the first allegations i was like look man on publicly available stuff it's 50 50 i can't tell right but now you're seeing a lot of his people on fox that worked with him they're like a bad guy right so okay now that tilts the scales but my point is every time it's sex right because sex is the thing that grabs everybody's attention i'll give you a great example from the left elliot spitzer okay good in my i thought he was great sheriff of wall street uh a friend of mine we worked at current tv together and he's going

after all the robber barons he's going after all the wall street crooks and all of a sudden sex scandal right and in that case there's a whole movie about a client number nine on netflix and where the right-wing billionaires in that case right they're the wall street guys etc they go yeah we targeted him we we got a private investigator we followed him until we found something that he did wrong and then what did mainstream media do because they love corporations and they love the establishment they were like alias spitzer guilty of sex sex i say right and that's what they say every time all right we're going to go to the members only uncensored show so smash that like button share the show with everyone you know.

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