Timcast IRL - Democrats CHARGE ICE Agent Over MN Confrontation, IT HAS BEGUN

Episode Date: April 17, 2026

Tim, Ian, and Tate are joined by Kevin Dahlgren to discuss Minnesota charging an ICE agent with assault, Robo Cops are coming, America doesn't want to help the homeless, Zohran Mamdani targets the ric...h, TPUSA slammed over low turnout at JD Vance event, and the EU is facing massive fuel shortages.  SUPPORT THE SHOW BUY CAST BREW COFFEE NOW - https://castbrew.com/ Join -    / @timcastirl   Hosts:  Tim @Timcast (everywhere) Tate @realTateBrown (everywhere) |  @TimcastTateBrown  (YouTube) Ian @IanCrossland (everywhere) | https://graphene.movie/ Producer: Carter @carterbanks (X) |  @trashhouserecords  (YT) Guest:  Kevin Dahlgren @kevinvdahlgren (X) Podcast available on all podcast platforms! Democrats CHARGE ICE Agent Over MN Confrontation, IT HAS BEGUN | Timcast IRL For advertising inquiries please email sponsorships@rumble.com

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Democrats in Minnesota have criminally charged an ICE agent over an incident that occurred in February where two individuals blocked his vehicle and then he pulled up beside him, told them he was police and to freeze. These individuals said it was a crazy guy in SUV, called the police. The police are now charging the ice agent who was on his way to ICE HQ. The story is actually a bit complicated. These individuals who say they called the police, they're claiming they did not know that he was an ICE agent, but did try to, obstruct his vehicle as it was on the shoulder of a highway, and they were trying to, quote, cut him off a little bit. I think this is the Democrats taking their opportunity to justify the
Starting point is 00:00:39 arrest of ICE agents as Tom Steyer, who's the top Democrat to win in California, although he's still behind the Republicans, has threatened to arrest ICE agents. So, oh boy, it's getting real weird out there. And with the attack on Savannah Hernandez, it certainly seems like we're going to be in for a wild summer as we're seeing tons of leftists go out and riot. Democrats are vowing to arrest and now are actually criminally charging people. So it's going to get interesting. Now, Donald Trump's come out again attacking Tucker Carlson. And Joe Rogan has, he made some statements about the Iran war saying what the effort we're doing. He can't quite figure it out. And I think, of course, another great opportunity for us to talk about not what Trump says or Heggseth says,
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Starting point is 00:03:18 Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more. We've got Kevin Dalgren. Good to see you, brother. Thanks for having me on. Absolutely. Who are you? What do? Hey, man.
Starting point is 00:03:27 I'm independent journalist Portland, Oregon, been reporting on the homeless industrial complex the last several years. My work just kind of really exploded as the rise and the importance of independent journalism and the mistrusted mainstream media. You know, I'm very proud of to be a part of this, I would say, movement and to really just kind of disrupt this billion dollar industry. And it is an industry. It's all fake, in my opinion. I've worked in this industry as well. And I have experienced, man, so much fraud. You know, so this is interesting because we're talking a lot about the Medicare, Medicaid fraud.
Starting point is 00:03:59 We're talking about, you know, in California, Ohio, Seattle. I think next stop, we should go after the homeless fraud. There are companies that are billing the government for tons of money and they're not actually trying to solve anything or they're lying about it. So it'll be interesting to have you here. A lot to talk about. Thanks for hanging out. Ian is here. What's up, homie? It's rock and roll. Should I intro myself?
Starting point is 00:04:18 I was just kind of intro the next guy. We also have Carter Banks. What's up? I am moderating the Rumble and YouTube chat tonight for you. spammers, so be nice. I also want to introduce Tate Brown, who I love. Tate, I haven't seen you in a while. It's good to see you, man. It's good to see you. It's so good to be back with the great Ian.
Starting point is 00:04:33 I'm back. Tim's here. You got to bring that microphone closer, brother. Tim's here. Oh, hey. Yeah, I am here. Let's get into it. Here's a story from NPR. Minnesota has charged an ICE officer with assault for alleged actions during immigration search. I love this story because you got to read between the lines.
Starting point is 00:04:53 The first thing to understand is this. This incident they're reporting on took place February 5th. That's about one week after Alex Prattie was shot and killed. So heightened tensions, to say the least. They say state and local prosecutors in Minnesota charged an ICE officer Thursday with two counts of second-degree assault with a dangerous weapon. The criminal charges appear to be the first against a federal immigration officer for actions, allegedly taken while on duty during the immigration enforcement cracked down to Minnesota.
Starting point is 00:05:19 Quote, today's charges reflect an important milestone in our efforts to seek accountability for the harms inflicted on our community during Operation Metro Surge. The officers identified in the complaint is 35-year-old Gregory Donald Morgan, Jr., a Maryland resident, who was part of ICE's enforcement and removal operations division at the time of the incident and had been detailed to the Minneapolis area. They say on the afternoon of February 5th, Minnesota State Patrol received a 911 report that a driver in a Ford expedition had pointed a gun at two people in another vehicle along the highway in the Twin Cities area.
Starting point is 00:05:53 According to the complaint, the two alleged victims told authorities that they had been stuck in traffic when they saw an unmarked black SUV coming up from behind, driving on the shoulder of a highway in Hennepin County where Minneapolis is located. Thanks NPR for that addition. The person driving says they briefly moved their car onto the road's shoulder and never to block the SUV's driver from bypassing traffic illegally. And to quote, cut him off a little bit. Both alleged victims say they did not know the other driver was a faulty.
Starting point is 00:06:21 federal officer. The complaint states that Morgan then pulled up beside them, rolled down his window, and pointed a black handgun directly at both the driver and the passenger, and yelled something they couldn't discern. One victim told state law enforcement the encounter led them to believe there was a crazy person driving down the road aiming guns at people. The victims called 911 and took a video showing the SUV's Utah license plate. State investigators used that plate to data to identify the vehicle had been rented by another ICE officer, Morgan's partner. During a voluntary interview, Morgan told state authorities he was driving to the federal Whipple building, ISA HQ, at the end of his shift when the incident occurred.
Starting point is 00:06:59 According to the complaint, he told state law enforcement he feared for his safety when the victim's car pulled in front of him, so he drew his gun and yelled police, stop. Morgan said he was trying to get the victims to back up. There is a nationwide warrant for Morgan's arrest. ICE and the Department of Homeland Security did not respond to comment. At Thursday's press conference, Moriarty acknowledged that Charles charges filed against Morgan, were coming ahead of any possible charges in the Alex Preddy and Renee Good, in the cases of Prattie and Good. The two U.S. citizens shot and killed. I want to be transparent on why these situations are developing at different speeds. The State Patrol was able to investigate thoroughly,
Starting point is 00:07:36 identify Mr. Morgan, and conduct an interview with him. Virtually none of the obstacles around evidence collection that exist for the January shootings in this case. I'm going to tell you my opinions right away because I'm biased. I don't think for a second these people thought it was a random SUV driving down the shoulder. People don't typically just pull onto the shoulder to block a black unmarked SUV driving down the road. You typically assume those are law enforcement vehicles. At the same time, this guy who's on duty and going to end his shift sees a vehicle
Starting point is 00:08:03 pull in front of him. We've already seen ice agents boxed in and shot at. He's probably thinking, holy crap. So he draws his weapon and says, police stop, which is not illegal. a police officer with reasonable fear ordering someone to stop and drawing their weapon, they can do that. Now, you might argue there was no probable cause to do this. I would argue that's insane.
Starting point is 00:08:29 If you want to make the case that these two people genuinely did not know, this was an ICE agent, and they were just trying to get in the way of some guy driving illegally, which honestly seems kind of weird. I mean, maybe it happens sometimes. The ICE agent doesn't have to know any of that. legally, all the agent needs to perceive is a reasonable threat or a crime being committed. And if he was driving on the shoulder and he's a law enforcement with a legitimate reason for doing that, maybe he didn't, maybe he was, and then you pull in front of him, he suspects something may be going on,
Starting point is 00:09:02 he's going to tell you to freeze and they can draw their weapon if they suspect there is a threat to them right here. Considering what just happened with Renee Good and Pretty, considering that we had seen ice agents boxed in dragged. The agent that shot, I believe it was shot Renee Good, had been dragged by a vehicle. What was it like three weeks before that incident happened? These guys are on edge. That doesn't justify drawing a weapon on random people, but this is not a random circumstance. In my opinion, I think these people knew exactly who he was.
Starting point is 00:09:31 I think they recognized and they knew. I think the people in Minnesota widely knew that they were black, unmarked, rented SUVs carrying ice agents. and I doubt an on-duty ice agent was playing close. So they likely saw a guy with police gear on or something and then said, we're going to get in his way because that's what these activists have been doing. I do not believe, well, he's a Maryland resident. So y'all in trouble, brother. I'm not going to advise anything, but I will just say if he was in West Virginia, he might be safe.
Starting point is 00:10:02 But in Maryland, they are going to arrest him and ship him off. And he is going to be paraded. They are going to use him to make an example. Is there dash cam footage of this? Apparently there is just cell phone footage. I believe they said after the fact they filmed the vehicle and the license plate. So if someone's violating the law by driving on the shoulder and then you also choose to go vigilante justice and break the law to hinder them, you're still breaking. These people were still breaking the law.
Starting point is 00:10:28 In which case, a law enforcement officer sees a vehicle breaking the law and he drives up and says police, stop. I don't trust these people. We didn't know what he was yelling. I don't believe that for a second. Regardless what your belief system is too, it's interfered in an investigation. Any way you look at it, doesn't matter what you think about the situation. They were interfering. And that's the problem.
Starting point is 00:10:52 What I wonder is if they're in an unmarked vehicle without badges and then the guy just pulls a gun on someone. He's like, I'm a cop. Get out of my wing. You're like, how am I supposed to believe you? You're a random guy pointing a gun at me. Who cares if you're screaming I'm a cop? And so I can see like if he just pulled his gun and, and it's, in an completely unmarked status,
Starting point is 00:11:11 that probably should be illegal or should have some... The citizen should have some recourse of protection against unmarked cops pulling guns on people because they feel threatened. Like, if you're not marked, like, what authority do I...
Starting point is 00:11:23 yelled police stop. But like if a random dude yelled police stop and pointed a gun at me, how am I supposed to know if he's a cop? These, I say... So here's a lot we don't know. I would say my complaint about ICE is that they're decked out in armor
Starting point is 00:11:37 and they are wearing very obvious militarized or law enforcement getups. And I have said since before Trump got elected, the ICE operations need to be done by dudes in polo shirts and khakis. I do not believe for a second that this guy driving a vehicle on his way to the ICE headquarters was playing close. Maybe, maybe, maybe. But in this instance, the presumption I'm going to make based on all of the news I've tracked is, it's a black SUV.
Starting point is 00:12:09 Remember the video of Preddy kicking the tail light out? It was a black SUV and what were the guys dressed like inside? They were decked out in police gear. So when a guy in decked out police gear yells, police stop. Yeah. Also like Minnapolis, Minnesota, kind of infamous for not making examples out of people in politically charged moments. I mean, nothing really comes to mind of any sort of law enforcement operation in Minnesota that probably a guy got an example made out of him.
Starting point is 00:12:38 I just can't think of anything in the last five years. Because it's never happened one time ever. It's certainly not Minnesota. Certainly not. And then also what never happened was that a mural to the drug-addled criminal exploded when it was struck by lightning on a rather sunny day. I got to stop. That literally happened.
Starting point is 00:12:57 I'm going to say this. I made a tweet about how recent events had maybe considered going back to church. Let me tell you one of them. A painting, a mural of judgment. George Floyd was made. And then on a day that was partly cloudy with scattered rain, lightning struck only the side of the building and blew up the mural of George Floyd and left everything else intact. It had to be metal paint. I can't get my head around it. I got to pull that one up. It's crazy that it just blew his face off the side of the wall. Yeah. Like they must have like metal paint. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:13:26 Or lead or some sort of conductive paint. That is freakish. I don't know, man. I'm into the whole This is not a joke. This is not a joke. I, you know, again, I told us to I was like talking to Pesobic, Jack Pesobic, and I was like, the resurrection really doesn't do much for me. Like, a lot of people say like, this is the proof and all that. And I said, but you tell me there are demons. Like, I've seen what I would describe as demonic possession. But you talk of miracles. Take a look at this.
Starting point is 00:13:50 This is just Google. This is just Google. Look at this. A mural honoring George Floyd and Toledo. I'm sorry, it was in Ohio, not Minnesota, was destroyed after being struck by lightning. Look. When this happened, we were like, look, see. See this right here in the middle that got blown out?
Starting point is 00:14:07 I wonder if there's actual pictures of... That's what it looked like before. They put a crown on him, and a lot of people were like he was a false idol. And the lightning struck only the side of the building, destroying only the mural where the crown was. I'm like, bro, God is real. It should have hit those poles first because they're way higher up in the air. Not even the grass is singed.
Starting point is 00:14:25 The mural was called Take a Breath, by the way. It's by David Ross, yeah, in July of 2020. This is crazy stuff. So anyway, God is Reef. deal. But back to the actual story. Just relieved the first time thing, yeah. I think they're going to hunt this guy down. And I question whether or not the federal government's going to provide any kind of support.
Starting point is 00:14:46 There's something called the supremacy clause. So there's also a degree of immunity that federal law enforcement agents have when carrying out their duties, they cannot be charged by state and local officials, typically. But state and local officials can argue that the actions taken were outside the scope of duty for federal law enforcement. Of course, this guy was on shift driving back to HQ when a vehicle obstructed him.
Starting point is 00:15:13 So, vehicles are deadly weapons. He drew up and said, police, stop. I guess, should- That sounds like everything's clean. Should he have thrown his lights? Do ICE even have? They were rental vehicles.
Starting point is 00:15:23 They didn't have lights. They may have had like, you get little lights to plug in or whatever. Stick on the top or something. Or they put him in the dash. A normal on-duty cop would just pull the guy over. He wouldn't point out of his gun and pointed at the guy. Well, considering we're coming off of Renee Good and Preti, more importantly, we had seen terror attacks against ice.
Starting point is 00:15:43 When they shot up the ice facility, that one guy with the rifle shot the vans up, killed the immigrant, killed illegal immigrants. You had the, was it five Antifa guys? Several acted like decoys outside the facility in Texas. Then when the ice came out to stop the protest, a guy hiding in the woods started shooting at him. So what are these agents supposed to think when a vehicle pulls out in front of and blocks them in? When that happened in Chicago, there's video of this. They start shooting. One vehicle rammed the ice vehicle from behind. So this guy's freaking out.
Starting point is 00:16:14 This is the problem. The Democrats are going to argue he had no reason to fear harm they just pulled in front of him. They will intentionally wipe out the context of every circumstance in the weeks and months leading up to this moment. whereas ICE agents had been rammed from behind, boxed in or shot it. I want to see if he was marked. If he had a uniform on, if the car in any way indicated that he was an officer. Because if not, they have a local case, whether or not the federal government can overstep. Well, I mean, federal officer unmarked points a gun at you.
Starting point is 00:16:49 Like, there should be some local recourse to protect you from that. Plainclothes cops often draw weapons on people. Now, I agree with you that there are concerns about how we, how we deal. with that because in the case of it was Brenna Taylor, what was her name? The woman where they ran to shot through the apartment. No-knock warrant thing.
Starting point is 00:17:10 Yeah, was that Brenna Taylor? Her boyfriend got acquitted because he said he did not know it was police who were shooting into the building, so he shot back. And they said, okay, none of those cops. Well, actually, it may not be true. I think those cops did get in trouble because the system is... Well, some of their bullets went like through the wall. It was kind of reckless. It could have hit somebody else. That was the whole proposition was
Starting point is 00:17:29 preposterous. They're like she was killed because of a race and they literally never saw her physically. There was no way for them to know that. She was black. But the point is, if a police officer has legitimate fear of harm, they're allowed to draw their weapon and tell you not to move, plain clothes or otherwise. I agree with you that there are problems there. Like some dude will, like, a guy will be outside your door and you'll see him through a ring camera, whatever, and he's wearing a hoodie and jeans and he's holding a gun. You're not going to assume a cop. So what do you do, right? However, my point ultimately, is upon the resolution of this matter, it's clean. Local officials and prosecutors should have said
Starting point is 00:18:06 nobody was hurt. It was a federal law enforcement officer telling people to stop. Case dismissed. There's nothing to charge here. Yeah, I think anyone reasonably would infer that if they've just committed a crime, or at least they're like, you know, whoa, I just might have done, you know, some sort of legal violation in whatever capacity. And then you're engaged by someone with a firearm. You'd probably assume, okay, that's law enforcement. I understand what you're saying is like, know, if those just walking on the street and then a guy pulls a gun on them, it's like, yeah, you're not going to think that's a cop. But in this instance, when, again, something suspect just went down.
Starting point is 00:18:36 And then you're engaged by someone saying, I'm police and they have a firearm. You'd probably assume that's a police officer or some sort of law enforcement agent. Now, I had a job I was embedded with police officers for five years. So I worked directly with them, went on good thousand missions, right? One thing that's really important, too, because I'm very much a strong supporter of public safety. is we got to also make sure that we vet these officers because we're giving them an enormous amount of responsibility. I was very fortunate to work with some really solid police officers,
Starting point is 00:19:09 but I'm a big believer in vetting them and basically holding them to a higher standard big time. It's extremely important. With the stuff I did, emotions are always high. We weren't always liked, and you had to keep cool 100% of the time. And that was not easy sometimes. I don't think any human's capable of it, personally, of 100%.
Starting point is 00:19:26 Extremely difficult. Do you think robots would be better police officers? No. Did you see the video of the robot chasing the pigs? The pigs got away. Yeah. That sucks. I'm not kidding. As a video, a robot was chasing after some escaped wild boars. Yeah, they made a, they made a, I should pull that one. He called on the drone, the flyers. I was laughing my ass off when I saw this video. And a lot of things are always taken out of context. I met, remember once we checked on a
Starting point is 00:19:50 homeless woman who was suicidal and four officers of myself a talk winter and across the street, there was a lady filming us yelling say, look, the homeless are harassing, or sorry, the police are harassing the homeless, right? And the most miraculous thing happened is the homeless woman stood up, walked across the street and said, no, they're helping me. Stop, whatever you're doing, turn it off.
Starting point is 00:20:12 But everything's taken out of context. So what this person was hoping is that they would get a 20-second clip of four large police officers and myself surrounding a homeless woman as if her harassing her, when we're actually trying to talk her through her mental health crisis.
Starting point is 00:20:28 And that's what we dealt with every single day is things were taken out of context. They didn't add the whole video. They would look for five seconds to be like, how dare they? And that was almost never the case. Man, you have more experience with police officers probably than anybody in the room. I was very fortunate to be embedded with him for a long time. So I got to see firsthand what they go through.
Starting point is 00:20:50 And it's extremely difficult. You know, emotions are high. People would sometimes like, jump out of bushes with fake guns thinking it was funny to point him at officers. And the officers are, you know, like, they're well trained. So like they would split up. Two would drop to the ground. Two would like point.
Starting point is 00:21:09 And I'm like, this is crazy. And it happened all the time. And usually it was just like dumb kids thinking it was funny. They were just very lucky the officers I work were so well trained. They never crossed any of those lines. But one would argue, too, you almost would expect them to. sometimes because what do you expect? Because you never know whether their life isn't truly in danger or not.
Starting point is 00:21:31 Yeah, I don't want to like, obviously it's personal. And like I don't want to like call anybody out, but like did you see guys break? Did you see them? Like I can't take it anymore, but I'm still here. I've seen a few lose their cool where after hours and hours of extremely difficult work where they're just being yelled out, they would lash back out on them. And then a sergeant would step in and be like,
Starting point is 00:21:51 you need to stand down, go in your car or clock out, whatever. And so luckily we also had a good sergeant. And the job of a sergeant is just to make sure that their four to five officers are doing their job. And a sergeant's job is to make sure, do they have the temperament for this in this moment? If they don't, a good sergeant will tell them walk away. And that's what you always hope for. It's not always the case. I want to show you the future of policing right here with this video.
Starting point is 00:22:23 Where is this happening? Poland is so close. Get him. Whoa. It's infinite stamina. Go, brother. You can do what I believe in you. Run them down, dude.
Starting point is 00:22:33 Just like the old hominids. Yo, what is it? Yo, this is a hollow your record. Suddenly, I'm not so worried about the Terminator anymore. Bro, he should be radioing to help. Look, he just gives up. There's another one, yeah. What's going on?
Starting point is 00:22:48 Wild boar for anything like. This is staged. This is fake. It's got to be, dude. It's got to be. It's too funny. It seems like they overlayed force trotting. Like, should we buy one of these guys?
Starting point is 00:22:56 Yes. Yes. Every year. How do I do it? Yeah, as they upgraded. Yeah. And then, like, put him into museum as the years go on. You know, like the original Model T because you know you're not going to be able to buy these old ones anymore.
Starting point is 00:23:08 Yo, he's $20,000. Whoa. Probably worth $20,000. If it can do it. 20 grand. 20 grand. From Robo store. A new Kia.
Starting point is 00:23:17 That feels an ex-op. Can you open up Robo store? What is going on? Robo shop. I don't know if they can do grocery runs yet, but it could keep this place clean. Yeah. I mean, if there's any hogs, it can at least try. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:23:25 It can at least try. I mean, the hogs would be stuck in the building at least, so they would have to, I mean, he'd have some. Did they train robots to learn how to fire weapons? That'll be fun. They already have those. He's like dogs, because they can sprint and shoot. Yeah, these are too expensive. What the, I'm not buying this. There's going to be probably $60,000. Just to give up halfway after chasing some pigs?
Starting point is 00:23:45 What animals can they catch do we know to say? Probably you can't catch a pig? What can you catch? Sloth. You're like a sloth. To sleep. Sleeping sloth. Good luck catching me a robot.
Starting point is 00:23:56 There are no robots on sale at Robo shop. Maybe if I try Robo Store. Squirt guns turn out to be our best defense. Squirt guns, it's over for them. That's why everyone's, we're worried about AI and the squirt guns. We're super soakers all along. Let's see what we got going on here at the Robo Store. Let's look at the full lineup for the robots, but I think that's because I've been
Starting point is 00:24:13 humanoids. Look at that. Hey, there we go. That's the guy. He can dance, but he can't catch a pig. He's just two. Unitary humanoids. What's, it can beat people apparently with this, with it.
Starting point is 00:24:26 Whoa, look at it. He's going to spin it. Okay, he's like Donna. He's not very good at it. He's not very good spin. You either showing us the cruddy version on purpose because they got the good ones behind the scenes. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:37 They're just going to unleash them all at once. Should I spend $17,000 on what? What's the difference between this one? Why is this one 60 grand? Is that the best standard versus? About the one that's 17. Two hours of battery life, 23 degrees? Two hours.
Starting point is 00:24:52 You can probably walk back to the charging station on his own. Tactile, Inspire, five hands and wrists. We like hang out with you. Can you like chop? Look at this guy. This guy's cheap. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:00 Oh yeah. He might be able to play magic. Yeah. Oh, if he could get at magic, Tim. Tim, he could beat you at magic. How about this $100,000 one? Why?
Starting point is 00:25:06 What it can do. Oh, this one can play soccer. He's a shirt. Look at it. He can actually play. Well, I mean, the Apple products. I mean, Oh, this one's got a face, dude.
Starting point is 00:25:14 Whatever you buy will be obsolete in six months. I know, right? Yep. And it'll probably be $7,000 if it's even the model. Tell me what you're on about. You'll be embarrassed. This is the standard trim package. But what is it do?
Starting point is 00:25:27 OAC, roll up with a do. Can I, can I, like, get the groceries from my car and bring it in? Probably. I'm sure it could. But I don't need it because I'm a man and I can carry all the groceries in one go. Definitely play magic. It could do a show, stream live, mop, have takes. Play magic and be funny.
Starting point is 00:25:43 Yeah, these have tape. Oh, you know, to be honest, a camera person, seriously, if you were, if you're trying to vlog and you buying one of these robots is cheaper than hiring somebody and it just follows you around and it's filming as it's following behind you
Starting point is 00:25:58 and then you just turn around and talk to it and you, that's pretty wild actually. I feel like if you're covering a protest and they beat up a humanoid robot that's worse than just breaking a camera. It feels like breaking your property. Yeah, because...
Starting point is 00:26:08 You know what I would do is I would program it so that it would be really sad when it's getting beaten so when the people are beating it's going, no, please. You're hurting me. I can't breathe.
Starting point is 00:26:19 I can't breathe. Hands up, don't shoot. The robots. And they'd be like, he's speaking our language. He's communicating. He's one of us. I think you should get one, but they might get hacked. I bet you can plug your phone into it to charge your phone.
Starting point is 00:26:35 So you're like walking down the street and you like plug your phone in and it's just walking next to you. He's got like 17 phones plugged in. But here's what you do. Here's the best part is the people who have the AI wifus from like chat TPT or whatever, you just mount the tablet to the face. And then as you're walking, you can talk. to your AI wifu. I wonder if a dude's going to get the AI
Starting point is 00:26:54 wifu robot and then get a male robot just to watch them go at it. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You're calling him a cuck? Yeah, yeah, if he's into that. In five years, they're going to have skin. In five years, they'll have skin and body parts. I know.
Starting point is 00:27:07 Yeah. And then it's going to get extra weird. Cybercuck. Cybercuck is crazy. Dude, you're going to get cybercook. That's crazy. Cyber Daddy, because it'll be like your VR robot avatar, and then it'll actually
Starting point is 00:27:20 be the real robot as well, so you'll be able to do it in your dreams and in waking life. It'll be the same. The one robot is just like, I want a woman. Yeah. And you're like, okay. Or like the guy gets a girlfriend and she's like, it's not working out between us. What if you get dumped by an AI robot?
Starting point is 00:27:34 Reformat. It's not you. That's that whole movie companion. Do you guys see that movie? No, I'm not. It's where this woman's a robot. And, spoiler, I guess. They hack her firmware so that she murders a guy.
Starting point is 00:27:50 so they can blame the robot on going rogue or whatever. But then she becomes self-aware or something. And then, you know, I got to get revenge. I've got sometimes. So much concern about the robot coming robot armies and things that we're going to be seeing, the drone ellipse or whatever you want to call it. But you deal with humans. I mean, you're basically in the depth of humanity with dealing with the homelessness.
Starting point is 00:28:12 Do you see any value to bringing robots to help this thing, like clean up the parks, protect the people? Well, my biggest concern always is that they're going to replace people. I mean, I guess it would be okay if they're doing the mundane jobs. But, you know, most stores now have those robots that now just clean the floors. And maybe that's good that we don't have to. But at some point, we're just going to replace humans from doing most type of activities. And that's a little bit of a concern of mine.
Starting point is 00:28:41 It's like basic income. How do you see? Well, what are we going to do to be productive members of society? Well, basic income is not possible. It's a, the funny thing about universal basic income is that it violates the laws of thermodynamics. We need to get into politics. It just violates the laws of thermodynamics. You cannot have an output that is greater than your input.
Starting point is 00:29:03 Thank you. So the idea that you will have tons of people not doing anything, but getting stuff, is just not possible. What if we're doing like, if some people are overloading the system with electricity because they're taking in solar? and then those people get a lot of money, but they're giving so much that there's enough left over to give the basic income to the rest. Well, while it's probably inevitable,
Starting point is 00:29:25 doesn't mean I have to necessarily support it. I'm old school. I don't think it is inevitable because it can't be done. You cannot give every... There's a million to one issues with this, and it's funny. Charles Murray wrote about this
Starting point is 00:29:38 because he proposed a $10,000 per year universal basic income. The problem then is, if you give people below a certain threshold, of income, UBI, people who make slightly above that will stop working. You will then inhibit productivity. So if someone makes $20,000 a year, but everyone else is getting $10K for free but works zero hours and they're getting $20K for 40 hours.
Starting point is 00:30:01 They're going to say, so I can work zero hours for half the money, I can make it work. I'll panhandle, all bust, I'll work under the table, try and find some way. So he proposes, no, just give everyone $10K. that way it's a baseline that you get access to, and then after that, what you want for luxuries, you earn. Still doesn't work because I guarantee you. There will be a lot of people who work at McDonald's Taco Bell, Target, Walmart, or otherwise, and I'm not disparaging those jobs.
Starting point is 00:30:31 But I got to be honest, go to anybody who works at a Starbucks and say, you can work 40 hours a week for $10,000 plus an additional $15 with your hourly wage, or work zero and just take the 10K, and they're going to be like, bro, me and my friends are going to rent out a studio apartment for dirt, and we're all going to sleep on bunk beds so we don't have to go to work anymore, and we can just go smell the flowers. Okay, if you're doing that, and I'll tell you, these people exist, we know they do, then who's going to be maintaining the box doors, who's going to be doing low, low-skill labor? Considering what we already see with homelessness, in your experience as well, imagine if we just told a lot of people, you don't have to work for a base level anymore.
Starting point is 00:31:11 people will say, okay, and they'll stop. And then your input drops dramatically, but your output increases exponentially. Yeah, Kevin, if you saw that, if you, because you already said you're kind of against it, but like if you saw all those homeless people that you've been working with or great, all of a sudden had $10,000 a year coming in,
Starting point is 00:31:27 would that help them in your estimation? Well, probably not. But real quick, it would help everybody else because a lot of them would overdose much more quickly and then they'd be gone. Ooh, you're thinking outside the box. I'm being sarcastic, but it's, It's probably true.
Starting point is 00:31:43 Given a person with a history of lax critical thinking and rational thought, $10,000 will blow it in all the wrong reasons and they will die off very, very quickly. Maybe that's the actual plan. Give everybody the money and then all the drug addicts just drug addict out right away. They go full OD clavicular, you know what I mean? Yeah, without structure, a homeless addict with $10,000, 95% of the time will use it for the wrong reasons and end up killing themselves. If they're getting 200 a week, it's kind of the same thing. What's that? If they're getting it in pieces like 200 a week or 500 a week or something,
Starting point is 00:32:17 you think it would be the same problem. In some ways, you know, I was in Anchorage, Alaska a couple years ago doing a homeless documentary with Tyler Olivera. And the natives there, the native Alaskans receive like stock. So because they're Alaskan, they receive this stipend every month, right? And virtually every single one uses that towards drinking and drugs. And they all admitted, well, we don't really have. have to try it that hard because the state takes care of us.
Starting point is 00:32:45 And that's an issue. So some got 200, some got 400, kind of depend on what type of Alaskan they were or what percent Alaskan they were. And so at least in that case, it certainly didn't work. We should relocate the show to Alaska. I would like to check it out. Oh, bro, Alaska is actually pretty awesome. Let's go for a week or something.
Starting point is 00:33:02 Yeah, Alaska. You know, we should do. We wanted to do the show in Nome. Is that the most northern city? The dog sledge. No, no, it's a dog sled one. Alaska is phenomenal. 80% of the homeless people I met there were missing minimum two to three fingers and toes.
Starting point is 00:33:19 Wow. Frostbite? Yeah, frostbite. And several had no fingers or toes because if you fall asleep even once on those cold night, you're going to lose something. And so what you see at night and I wanted to experience it. So on their last night there, I decided to stay up all night. And what the homeless will do in at least Anchorage is they stay awake all night. They sleep during the day, right?
Starting point is 00:33:44 The ones who sleep outdoors. And you can't just like sit outdoors. So what you do is you walk in circles around this park. And so for seven hours, I walked with them and interviewed them. And they do it to stay warm. But they're all drinking too. And fentanyl's pretty difficult to get in Alaska. So the drug of choice there seems to be alcohol and a little bit of meth, right?
Starting point is 00:34:05 So all night long, they just walked. and then when it hit 9, 10 a.m., when it got a little bit nicer out, that's when they slept. Because you sleep in the nighttime, you will die or at least lose a limb. When you say meth, is it crystal meth? Is that the type of methamphetamine they're in? But really, it just seems to be alcohol. Vodka was by far very, very popular. It's interesting that, like, in the desert, they'll sleep, they'll be awake at night,
Starting point is 00:34:32 at least a Burning Man, I was. And then we sleep during the day until 4 p.m., but they just do that up north. Yep. Yes, where the Iditarod ends, I believe. Is that what it is? It ends there. I think it ends there, yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:42 What's that? And we were actually, I was up there, and we were talking to some people about possibly sponsoring some of the dog sliders. That'd be cool. Because while it's very well known, the Iditarod, it's actually not well funded to a great degree relative to a lot, like a lot of other, I guess you'd call it heritage sports or whatever. And so we were talking about a handful of people. Like, it'd be cool to sponsor somebody.
Starting point is 00:35:03 It's pretty nuts how they do the dog sled race. It's through the wilderness, basically. Yeah. Are they like GoPro? Are they at the point where they're GoProing? Like even the dog. I don't know. Put a Starlink on one of those sleds and then just live stream the whole thing.
Starting point is 00:35:18 Wasn't Palin's husband a world champion sledder or something? Go back to Nome. First I've heard. I didn't remember to know. Look like kind of north of it. There's a place called Mary's Igloo. I want to go there. Mary's Igloo, huh?
Starting point is 00:35:30 It's on the map. It's Mary anyway. Mary. There's nothing there, bro. It's green. Wait. Wait. Oh, there's the igloo.
Starting point is 00:35:35 There's little houses. Oh, well. Oh, bro, of course, Alaska's farming season is insanely long. In the summer, there's no, there's no night. Right, so it's just daytime. That's when I want to go. I want to do that. 24 hours of sunlight.
Starting point is 00:35:50 Maybe Mary Zieglu, too. It's not, well, in the Arctic Circle, you will get it, but there's no trees up there either because, like, there's no grass. It's just mud. So in the summer, it's all mud, and in the winter, it's just tundra. You have to go below the Arctic Circle because trees don't grow in the Arctic Circle. So one, one thing interesting about at least, with the home, crisis in Alaska is there. They don't put up with any crap, the local government. And for the first time ever, I would see them literally just bulldoze erect tents, right? Basically just announce
Starting point is 00:36:19 time for you to go and they would bring out their bulldozers. And I filmed it. I was just shocking. They are super, super aggressive there. I heard now California's no for being going easy on the homeless population, you know, but I heard my friend was working up in San Francisco and she said they would come out at 4 a.m. with fire hoses and blast dudes off the sidewalk with fire hoses. And she got footage of it. And then the footage was banned off the internet and like, they kept it secret. Have you heard about that? So I got a fact check. Trees can grow in the Arctic Circle, but just in the southern portion, as you get further north and you get permafrost, they can't actually grow in the river.
Starting point is 00:36:52 Because it's even frozen in the summer, which is wild. So what the, what the Inuit would do is they would dig huge holes and they would throw all the whale into the hole because it's frozen even throughout the summer. Like a natural ice box. Yeah. Well, regardless of how low. liberal a city is, if it's considered a tourist city, they will use high-powered water early mornings to keep it clean so tourism thrives. Oh, so they'll get rid of like feces, but also the people that might be producing that.
Starting point is 00:37:20 So you'll see this in San Francisco and Portland where tourism is big, certain areas. So even if it's very liberal government, they still admit that tourism is so important that they will do that. like, you know, which most activists wouldn't be okay with, but the fact is they still need to generate income. Yeah, it seems like if tourism is enough to make them snap and hit, hit dudes with waterhoses, that there might be other things that might cause that too, like, and invade, who knows what kind of things? So maybe, maybe we should try and, dude, this homeless industrial thing is crazy because if you, if you get these people off the
Starting point is 00:37:55 street, that industry fails. Yeah, and let's, all the jobs are lost, bro. And here's the irony or whatever, the very people we've placed in charge to end the crisis are benefiting from the crisis. They don't want to stop. No, they don't. What once was the cause has become this multi-billion dollar industry, right? I'm in my early 50s. I've done this a long time, and it truly felt certainly in the 90s, we were making a real effort, at least from what I observed.
Starting point is 00:38:21 Over the last 10 years, it's become very radicalized, the system where it became less of a humanitarian crisis in more. more of an ideological one. And that's kind of when things changed. And so for a lot of these activists who work within the system, they consider this an ideological fight. Oh, so instead of trying to help the homeless, they're trying to stop homelessness, an idea. Well, what they're trying to do is they're trying to abolish capitalism because what
Starting point is 00:38:49 they will say is that the root cause of homelessness, addiction, crime, all of it is capitalism. So their focus, what I've seen, isn't really to end homelessness, it's to abolish capitalism because if they do, homelessness will naturally end itself. Which is insane. It makes no sense. It's never going to happen. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:10 I mean, look, we could get into the argument about what role capitalism has to play with everything. But for me, when I see a homeless person nodded out or on the street, I don't care how they got there. And whether it was capitalism or addiction or mental illness or childhood trauma, my concern is that they're there and we as a community got to find a way to help them because this doesn't work for them and it doesn't work for us. That's it.
Starting point is 00:39:34 Yeah, my experience, so I spent time in Seattle. Are you familiar with the Avrats? What that refers to? No, but I know Seattle very well. University Avenue has a group of homeless kids, teenagers, called the Avrats. I know what you're talking about now, yeah. It is a desirable and status thing to be. And so a lot of these young kids that I met, teenagers,
Starting point is 00:39:55 So I was like 21 at the time, so they were like 17. They would hop the rails and from all over the country ride the freight to Seattle to be homeless in the university district intentionally to be one of the rats. And so there was like, I don't know, 10 or 12 of them. And I'd ask people to be like those kids that are always here and they're like, yeah, those are the rats. They want to be here. They want to be homeless. You're not going to get them to leave. They live this life on purpose.
Starting point is 00:40:21 I remember in Venice, California, people would be living in their vans on the beach. I thought it was cool in 2007 because I didn't know. I was like kind of rough but then they just made the illegal and they were all gone and I was kind of sad but I don't know. So many people choose to live outdoors.
Starting point is 00:40:35 People, I get so much hate when I say this and why I really started to decide to do this journalism was because people kept saying that's not true when I say it so I was like screw it. I'll just turn my camera on the homeless and say like so would you like how's in today
Starting point is 00:40:51 and they're like no I don't. And that's when everything changed because everyone was like, wait, is this actually true? Because the narrative has always been this. Housing ends homelessness. And why? Because housing is a multi-billion dollar industry. It's huge.
Starting point is 00:41:04 Yeah, it's my favorite thing. These liberals like to say, did you know that there are more empty homes than homeless? It's because of these bankers investing in property that people can't get them. And I'm just like, if you, let me just ask you, if you took the average homeless person
Starting point is 00:41:19 that you've encountered and put them in a house, what do you think would happen? They would destroy the house. They would either get kicked out or the place would burn down. Assuming it's just here you go, the house is yours now. And I say those of all due respect. It's just they weren't prepared, right? And this is why the housing first model is so flawed is you don't just put a person living on the streets,
Starting point is 00:41:41 in middle of their addiction, off their mental health meds into housing. They don't know how to adjust. So what I've always said is shelter first housing earned. Prepare them. Prepare them for permanent housing. I don't think you can. Not always, no. I don't think people, millennials, only half of millennials own homes.
Starting point is 00:42:00 Gen Z, I think it's like something like, what is it, 7% or some tiny number. And so without this generational experience, they just don't get it. It is not easy to own a house. It is not easy. So you got this pita tear tax in New York that Zoran Mamdani says, we're going to tax the millionaires and the billionaires and all that stuff. What he doesn't understand is that these billionaires are spending a ton of money, these buildings and hiring staff to take care of them. You can't just have an empty building sitting around.
Starting point is 00:42:29 Animals will break in. Mold. Bugs. Mold. A pipe will break. So I want a piece of property out of the state. And we have check-ins once a week from somebody who works in the area. One day they call us like, oh, a pipe burst. What is it?
Starting point is 00:42:47 What happened? Oh, it's destroyed. The floors are ruined. You got to redo everything. How much second? It's 10 grand. Because nobody was there. and a pipe burst, and the pipe burst and was leaking for like three or four days.
Starting point is 00:42:58 I had an incident in my house where the water was running, and then it wasn't draining fast. So the water got turned on, and it looks like it's draining. But the drain wasn't clearing as fast as the water was filling up, but you couldn't tell right away because first the pipe down there shuts filling up. So you turn the water and it looks like it's draining. Well, after an hour, it was just pouring all over the ground, $10,000 in damages from like. like 30 minutes of water overflow. They had to, the carpets are soaked,
Starting point is 00:43:28 they had to bring in those big machines to drive everything out, cut out the drywall, redo the wood. You take a homeless person and you factor in the accidental water damage that might occur. That place will burn down. It will burn down. We've already seen what happens with these
Starting point is 00:43:43 houses. You'll have big what do you call nests of garbage in the living room just piling up. They won't take it out. They'll just keep throwing junk into it. What's your successor? Kevin with with like shelter first housing second percentage wise with all the people you well i mean all comes down to motivation too is the person ready do they actually want help this is why you don't just throw a person blindly in the housing unless they truly show motivation
Starting point is 00:44:08 and a genuine desire to get sober and i say this because 90 percent are actively using drugs and so that's a big big big barrier and so it really comes down to are they ready or not because if they're not it's just not going to be successful now right now right now some of my haters are screaming, how dare you say this? I'm like, I'm sorry, but it's true. Because, you know, what I say about housing first is you don't solve the problem, you hide the problem. So yeah, congratulations. You build a $100 million apartment complex.
Starting point is 00:44:37 And currently right now for the next month, you don't see the homeless. It doesn't mean they're not the identical person doing the identical bad behaviors. You know, I'm just an accelerationist now. Just, you know, the longer we're gripping to the edge of the cliff with our fingers slowly popping off, the longer they just rip the big. mandate off, let society collapse. No, no, the plane's coming. It's going to appear and then you're going to drop into the airplane and fly off.
Starting point is 00:45:01 You're going to be okay. I don't think so. Just hold on. Because I'm thinking about these lefties that are like, we should just like give houses to the hopeless. The hobblos should just be able to have a house. And like the Zoran Rondani thing, I should pull up the Zaranondani thing. We should talk about it.
Starting point is 00:45:16 These people have no idea what they're talking about or they're accelerationists. So maybe I'm just pro Zerran now. Usually what I say when they say these things is, Have you ever met a real-life homeless person? And I say this not even sarcastically because I'm like, there's no way you understand this to say these things, right? And I'm not saying this out of disrespect for the homeless. I'm just saying we need to give them the life skill trainings to be successful.
Starting point is 00:45:38 And we are not. Let me pull up this video. This is going viral from Zoran, Mamdani. He says this. Actually, he says a lot of things, but I have to unmute the tab before he actually says anything at all. Here you go. Mamad Danny. When I ran for mayor, I said I was going to tax the rich.
Starting point is 00:45:53 Well, today we're taxing it. I'm thrilled to announce who secured a piettaire tax, the first in New York's history. This is an annual fee on luxury property is worth more than $5 million whose owners do not live full-time in the city. Like for this penthouse, which hedge fund CEO Ken Griffin bought for $238 million. This pia deter tax is specifically designed for the richest of the rich. Those who store their wealth in New York City real estate, but who don't actually live here. But even so, they're able to reap the huge financial rewards of owning property in and dare I say, the greatest city in the world.
Starting point is 00:46:27 And most of the time, these units are sitting empty, since again, they don't actually live here. This is a fundamentally unfair system that hurts working New Yorkers. Now, it's coming to an end. This tax will raise at least $500 million directly for the city. It'll help fund things like free childcare, cleaner streets, and safer neighborhoods.
Starting point is 00:46:45 As mayor, I believe everyone has a role to play in contributing to our city. And some, a little bit more than others. Happy Tax Day, New York. I actually wonder if Zohenai, wonder if Zoran is an accelerationist who's trying to destroy New York City. And I support him. He literally said verbatim. South Africa is the model. I'm joking because I know that from the ashes of the old, we shall build the newest of the saying that these communists have. And what their
Starting point is 00:47:11 new version of is hell on earth. So let me just, you know, I'll make it really simple for everybody. Zorimandani is lying. I do not believe this is an accident. Certainly one could assume he's just stupid and wrong. I will concede that. Often people say Trump is lying. I say, well, he could just be wrong. Zorn Mandani, maybe he's just wrong. Let's start here. Pita Tare tax. It's going to tax people who own property but don't live in the city. Okay. So Ken Griffin spends hundreds of millions of dollars on New York City, their staff for these buildings, services that come with it, and property taxes already paid. So because of that investment, the city is reaping benefits. The city is reaping fits from this wealthy individual. Now what's going to happen is a financial planner is going to tell
Starting point is 00:47:58 someone like Ken, well, we should put some real estate in your portfolio. I'd recommend Philadelphia. And he goes, well, what about New York? You know, they got billionaires. You don't want to be there. They got a new tax on these buildings. It's going to make it unprofit. It's not going to be profitable. If you were to get by that building, you'll be losing money off your investment. It's not worth invest somewhere else. So what happens? Real estate developers are going to stop developing in New York. contractors are not going to have jobs. Those contractors that go to diners to buy food won't do that. The diners will see a depression.
Starting point is 00:48:27 And they'll start saying, well, we don't have the staff. We don't have the employees. We don't have the customers. We can't run this anymore. He says that they reap the financial benefits without actually living here. They spent money on you. I'm going to put it like this. Why do you think it is that Switzerland likes it that the people put their money in their banks?
Starting point is 00:48:47 Because then they can invest with it. They can use that money. So what he's saying is we should put an additional tax burden on these properties to disincentivize. It's unfair. They should pay more. Okay. What Donald Trump did in the 80s that famously helped revitalize New York was the inverse. He built luxury buildings and told the wealthy to come.
Starting point is 00:49:11 It's cheap and classy. Wealthy people began investing. What happens? You get a building like this. I guarantee you the door guys making six figures. There's going to be staff for the building. There's going to be services from the building. There's going to be waste disposal, maintenance, contractors are going to have a ton of,
Starting point is 00:49:28 there's going to be a ton of jobs from this building that he's paying into. Those people walk downstairs and go to local coffee shop and buy coffee. That coffee shop says, wow, business is boomed and we have a whole bunch of new employees coming to the area. Now they leave. No more developers. No more economic activity. City starts falling apart.
Starting point is 00:49:46 That's what Trump did. He's doing the exact opposite of the world. what Trump did. I think it's fair to say that Zarnman 90 knows exactly what he's doing as he guts and burns down the city. I think he is intending to stop corporations like Black Rock from buying and owning. He's trying to prevent that, but I don't know if this is going to work. I don't know what the tax. That wouldn't because they get Federal Reserve money and don't care about it. One could argue he wants to extract the value from these bottomless pockets. Maybe it's maybe, maybe, yeah. Well, I was thinking like, what is the actual benefit other than
Starting point is 00:50:15 it being previously a good investment to have property there. What are they doing? At this point, nothing. I know. So here's the question. Is someone going to want to buy this property from Ken Griffin with his excess tax on it? Maybe not. It's going to lower the property values. He'll probably exit quickly. Here's the bigger picture, though. Zoran is a liar. Okay. Guys, I know a lot of people are going to say, Tim, he could just be really dumb. I don't think he's stupid. I don't think he'd be mayor of New York on accident. He's a smart calculating guy. When he says, only on the wealthiest, what did he say? Let's go back to the beginning.
Starting point is 00:50:47 Smart for his age. The first in New York's history. This is an annual fee on luxury properties worth worth $5 million. Luxury properties worth more than $5 million. It's not that much. That's not that much in New York City. You got a little house worth $5.2 million in the center of Manhattan. So how much do you need to make per year to own a $5 million house?
Starting point is 00:51:07 You're going to need a million dollars down for a reasonable down payment. That's not easy to get. So you're probably a millionaire. you're definitely not going to be living in New York right now. He says Ken Griffin, a billionaire, but he's talking about people who might make two or three million dollars. Now, don't get me wrong. These are rich people.
Starting point is 00:51:26 You make two or three million dollars. You save up after a couple of years with expenses and everything, I might spend money on. You've saved a million down. You buy a $5 million penthouse. Here's the bigger picture. What about companies that own large buildings like Trump on Fifth Avenue worth $750 million? The question is, is this going to target Trump towers near the U.N., where you have a bunch of condos and penhouses for wealthy individuals, they're now being told up to pay an annual fee on top, not to mention what is he already charging?
Starting point is 00:51:57 A 2% tax over a million, they're trying to get. Rich people are going to leave. And I can speak to this personally, because we have been asked, I have been asked about doing the show in New York. People have said, would you be willing to do the show in New York? There's more talent there. there are studios available. I said, absolutely not. And they go, no, I get it. I said, we are going to lose so much revenue from the psychopath taxes. It's just not worth doing there. P.A. maybe, but New York's out of the question. Yeah. And in addition, I mean, there's so many problems with doing business in New York now. It's like kind of a miracle that's still somewhat functions. I mean, for one, the tax he's proposing here while it's going to hammer these guys hard, and that's whatever. I'm not like pearl clutching necessarily. The amount of revenue this will actually generate for the city will be a drop in the bucket relative. to the potential damage that they're going to do to the city economy because you're really not
Starting point is 00:52:44 going to be able to extract enough money to make a big difference on the budget. And then in addition to that, like New York is already a really hostile place to do business. Like I was doing some event planning thing. I used to live in New York City. And we were trying to figure out how much it would cost to stock a bar for an event. And once you add in union labor and everything, it'd be $28. Oh, bro, dude. We did an event in New York City at a theater.
Starting point is 00:53:05 It was like a Timcast, IRL live with some other, some of our friends. and we showed up. You guys may remember like James O'Keefe was there. That was awesome. He moonwalked in the backstage. We filmed it. And we show up and I'm like,
Starting point is 00:53:18 let's take a look at the surrounding. Like let's scope out the stage, the property, figure out where we're going to go. So me and a few people, I think Ian was there. We jumped up, we walked up to the stage from the chairs, like from the theater, jumped up on the stage, I had looking around. And the staffers yelled at us and kicked us off the stage.
Starting point is 00:53:34 And we were told that they would cancel the event, their union. and we are not allowed to go anywhere near the stage. And I was like, whoa, wait, hold on. Like, I'm doing a show in two hours. I need to know what the stage looks like. I need to know where the cameras are going to be. Any of the chairs are going to be?
Starting point is 00:53:48 I need to know where I'm entering and exiting. And they're like, doesn't matter. Union guys said you're not allowed. That's how it works. And I was like, this is the stupidest thing ever. It was insanely expensive. So I'm just like, we're not doing that again. That's nuts.
Starting point is 00:53:59 It's expensive. And like, I have a family member who's like a pretty commercially successful musician. And he's one of my cousins. And he was conducting a, tour in the United States and he found that New York City and Los Angeles were by far the worst crowds because not only like is it hard to do business but now for talent that's coming in and seeking where he crushes in like Salt Lake City, Boise, like places where there's not an influx of entertainment on any given night but in New York City it's like how do you compete?
Starting point is 00:54:25 I mean there's like all this myriad of entertainment or the people there just are apathetic. So now it's hard for New York City to generate money off of like entertainment. Like it's getting across the board harder and harder. That's why they're clutching for straws. That's why they've done these downstate casino licenses because they're just looking for new ways to generate money. Because Zoron himself pulled the budget up and he's like, oh, shoot, I'm not going to be able to get any of my agenda done because we literally have no money. And this is only going to make it worse. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:51 So, you know, what he's doing? He's probably saying like, look, I got a couple of years as mayor. Let's extract as much value as possible from whatever we can so I can do my thing and then get the F out. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean, you know, it's one of these things I had on Tuesday. a conscious caracul. He's like a South African YouTuber and he basically just provides commentary on the situation there. And he pointed out Zoron as an example of what's going on in the United States. He said, when these people tell you what their plans are, he's like, they mean it. The thing
Starting point is 00:55:19 about Republicans is they just talk. The thing about liberals, think about Democrats, is they follow through on their agenda or they at least die trying. And Zoron verbatim said the model is South African. What did he mean by that? You know white people? Yeah, effectively, the end goal would be discrimination and, you know, expropriation. He said tax the white name. Hebrids on his campaign website. Tax white people, he said. Yeah, he's not hiding the bull. And everything he's done, again, the only thing holding him up from enacting a South Africa
Starting point is 00:55:44 like agenda is just the fact that they're still a Republican Party. You know what I can't stand about communists is that they're like, like, I want you to imagine it like this. There's four guys all sitting around their thumbs up their butts. And one guy goes, hey, I'm tired of sitting around here with my thumb up my butt. He walks away, starts collecting some wood, makes a fire, and now he sits there warm by the fire. the three other guys, let's just say they're communists, they walk over and say, it's not fair that you have fire,
Starting point is 00:56:12 we deserve that fire, kill him, sit around the fire, the fire goes out, then they're saying they were thumbs up their butt again, and the guy who made the fire's dead. That's communism. Yeah, I mean, we saw it over and over again. Like you looked in, like, Rhodesia, that's modern day Zimbabwe, and they had like a very small minority of white farmers there. That was the main occupation was farming, but they were also in banking. Basically, this small minority was propping up the entire economy of, at the time. it was Rhodesia. And they had, you know, the Soviets came in and then they swept through the country. And Robert McGave, who was a name that a lot of people were quite familiar with, took over. And he was promising very similar reforms. He's like, look, you know, things have gotten out of hand.
Starting point is 00:56:48 There's a lot of inequality. And he used it in racial terms. He's saying, well, all the white minorities, holding all the wealth and all the land, et cetera, et cetera. And even a lot of white people in Ridesia at the time were like, yeah, I guess that kind of makes sense. Maybe we're at the point now where we can like rescind power and like we can spread the wealth, that sort of thing. 10 years later they have a famine. Because all the people that made all the stuff, all the farmers, they called dangerous elements or Kulaks or what have you. And then they're like, you know, I'm, I shook out everyone.
Starting point is 00:57:17 I'm not a fan of Atlas Shrugged because it's so on the nose. It's like, listen, if I want to hear a guy, like a libertarian or a laissez-faire capitalist, explain this to me. Just say it. Atlas Strugged is literally like, Einrand is saying, so here's a fictional story of exactly how it would play out. And we're like, yeah, yeah, yeah. come on, give us a little nuance.
Starting point is 00:57:36 You know what I mean? Like, give us a little bit of metaphor there. Don't just explicitly state the communists are taking over so the rich people go to a secret place and hide. Yeah. Like, we get it. They actually even, like, underestimate it. Like, I was actually thumbing through some newspaper articles and different articles
Starting point is 00:57:50 that were written in South Africa, you know, when like the ANC was coming to our Nelson Mandela and everything. And a lot of like the really alarmist, like, this is a doomsday. This is the worst thing that ever happened. They were like, in 60 to 70 years, we could have rolling blackouts. That's how bad things could get. In 30 years, in 20 years they had rolling blackout. No, it was, yeah, it was like 15 years after the ANC took power.
Starting point is 00:58:09 They, like, rolling blackouts were a regular centerpiece in South Africa. That just shows you, A, how quickly bad things can go south. But B, it also shows you how fast people get adjusted to how bad things are. Because South Africa, which the temperament of people like there is very similar to the United States, there's been no war, there's been no government collapse as far as like the actual central government collapsing. People kind of just get used to it. The blackouts start? Do they vote the party out of power?
Starting point is 00:58:33 Do they riot? No, they just put solar panels on the roof. We should invade South Africa. You know, some of... No, look, okay, sorry. I mean, Trump wants the Suez Canal, the Northwest Passage in Panama, but he's forgetting about, you know, the Cape of Good Hope. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:58:46 Yeah, safe passage for everyone. We need that cape. I'm not a communist. It's the principal trade route for our... Shut down the ship for Muz and the Red Sea. Out of the blockade and they can all go together. They got to go around again. I'm not a communist, but I do align with the concern of corporatocracy taking over.
Starting point is 00:59:02 And we used to have, like, you know, anti-execology. trust laws. I'm not a communist but. But you would break up corporations if they got too big with antitrust laws in the early 1900s, you know, Rockefeller Standard Oil got broke apart. You can't now because they're global corporations. So American law isn't strong enough to break up BlackRock, you know? So we have to do some, maybe have to do some seizures or some high taxes to prevent these corporations from taking over the world. We broke up Microsoft fairly recently. That's good. But I'm really concerned with Black Rock State Street and Vanguard. I don't, I don't know if the American government has the authority to control it. Yeah, that's difficult. How do you
Starting point is 00:59:37 break up an asset management company? Well, let me show you this stuff. This is work reform on Reddit. One person's, their Twitter is FU I quit. The scariest thing, the CEO class has ever seen as a luxury tax, that's how detached they are from reality. We don't hate these people enough because Linda Yaccarino responding to the, you know, the Piettaire tax said this actually, this is actually one of the scariest things I've seen. It won't stop here. And she is correct. But these people are, they're consumers and they're producers. And there are producers from the lowest skill to the highest skill. And they're consumers from the highest skill to low skill as well.
Starting point is 01:00:15 Consumers can be people who make no money but move money around on the stock market. Get rich from it. They're consumers. They have nothing. They just eat. Looking at what Zoranamandani is doing, he is a consumer, not a producer. He is extracting value from other people burning down New York City. but these other consumers, they're like piranhas, they're parasites.
Starting point is 01:00:38 They just want to extract everything. They think they deserve what you make and you own. And when you point that out, the joke they have is $30,000 year working class guy most affected. When this post about Zorin Bamdani's luxury tax first dropped, that was the top comment on the post on Reddit. They said, I can just imagine the working class guy in a mega hat screened. and cry that the rich are getting taxed. Because these people aren't smart enough to understand that working class guy is a super – he's the superintendent at a building owned by a billionaire, and he makes $60,000 a year
Starting point is 01:01:15 maintaining a building. And now that they're forcing him to sell, he's going to lose his job. That's what I'm talking about. How do you stop giant megacorpse from taking over the country building by building without destroying the fabric of society in the process? Because if they all leave New York, New York falls flat. and then crime runs rampant. And so look at this.
Starting point is 01:01:36 Who wants to read that one? I'll read this one. Burning down a warehouse is more. I can't say this out loud. That sounds like a threat. My house is more effective than what? This guy said burning out a warehouse is more effective than a no king's protest. Why?
Starting point is 01:01:50 It hurt their pocket. That's how you get their attention. Yes. And the 200 plus individuals who worked there making $25 bucks an hour are now out of jobs. and the cafes and the restaurants that they used to go to are now losing their customer base. And the apartment buildings they rented from now no longer have tenants who are paying.
Starting point is 01:02:09 So they're going to fall apart. These people are dangerous psychopaths. I think that, like, if you're, bring back to it. What was the bill from the 50s, the communism bill or whatever? Oh, yeah, what was that? Let me pull that one up. McCarthyism. Communism bad.
Starting point is 01:02:27 Bill. Phil would know Shout out to Phil Labonte Phil will be all over that right now I got a shot of Phil's face behind tape That was the first time he came on the show Let's see it was the Communist Control Act of 1954 Yep
Starting point is 01:02:43 What about do you think we need to bring it back? Was it repealed or something? I'm half kidding, it's still in a fact Technically communists are not protected under human rights law in the United States Is there any instances of like state-run housing really working? No And it goes back to the formation of project housing, Pruitt Igo, which failed miserably. And my favorite is the Leclair Quartz in Chicago, where I grew up, and they bulldozed them. They told all of the gangbangers and the black folk who live there, we're going to temporarily relocate you so that we can renovate these properties.
Starting point is 01:03:16 Everybody was forced to leave, and then they brought in bulldozers, smashed them all, and now they are green. They're just empty fields, surrounded by chain link fences. The argument I always hear is, or that I used to even make, is housing should not be a for-profit industry. But if it's not, then why would the people that oversee the housing do any lift a finger if they're not making anything out of it? How could it not be a for-profit industry? Yeah, if it's just government run. So the problem with communists, they say abolish profit. They lie.
Starting point is 01:03:44 They are really, really dumb. And the ones that are running the big accounts with big followers, they're lying because they know what they're doing. profit means if I buy a rake for $30, that's my cost. If I then knock on my neighbor's door and say, I will rake your leaves with this rake that I bought. And he says, yes, I'll give you $20. My cost is 30. My revenue is 20.
Starting point is 01:04:08 I have made no profit. However, I then mow one more lawn. He pays me $20. I have now covered the cost of the rake. And I've profited $10. That $10 profit is a, it's part of a $4. for-profit business venture. You know what I can do with that?
Starting point is 01:04:24 I can buy food. I can save up, pay rent, buy a car, get a leaf blower, and expand my business. And the left goes around with signs saying abolish profit. Meaning you do work and you get nothing. Some industries, I don't think the medical industry, for instance, should necessarily be for profit. I don't like you do.
Starting point is 01:04:44 I don't like that people are encouraged to experiment medically on other humans. How else are going to cure diseases? It's a good question. you incite people to go work on it without some sort of fiscal return? Again, profit doesn't mean stealing. It means if I provide you a service at a rate for which you agree, you will pay me and I will use that access money towards my life or more things. The issue is that in economies of massive scale, profit can be in the billions. That's just it. The funny thing is these lefties are like, we're not talking about profit on a birdhouse or raking someone's long. We're talking about
Starting point is 01:05:20 massive corporate profits to billions of dollars, which are paid out in dividends to their shareholders and guess how much the shareholder gets? I've got stocks in some companies. My dividends are like $7. They don't understand when a company's got like a $10 billion profit at the end of the year, the shareholders are getting like a couple hundred bucks, if that.
Starting point is 01:05:37 And it's largely retirees and mutual funds for pension account and pensions and things like that. Yeah. You know, the irony, too, of a lot of these activists, I call them more than communists, is at least the ones in Portland. and a majority of them live at their parents' house. And their parents are oftentimes upper middle class to pretty wealthy
Starting point is 01:05:56 because they have time to protest because they're taking care of. And so that is the silly irony of all of this, is a lot of them have family wealth. I think Carl Marx was wealthy growing up. He was. That's crazy. You know, they show up in nice cars. They may not own their own house, but they live in the house.
Starting point is 01:06:19 they are taking care of. They went to private schools usually. I mean, these people were raised and had very, very much privileged lives. And that's kind of infuriating, you know, for what they're against. Yeah, it's what, you know, they had opportunities most people would never have. It's weird how like all the socialist dictators or most of them were like educated in the West too and they go back to their country. That's why I'm saying they're liars. They know what they're doing.
Starting point is 01:06:46 Listen. the money is in being a liberal. It always has been. Being outside of the institutions was never a way to make money. And the left would say, these people are grifters. Tim Poole is a grifter. It's like, bro, I worked for ABC, okay? My path towards making money was not calling them liars and defending Donald Trump.
Starting point is 01:07:06 It was telling my agent and the company that wrote me a check for 200 grand to sign on, day one, they slid a check across the table of $200,000 was just be like, tell me what to say and I'll say it. I'm game. YouTube, the partner program on Google, when you guys, whoever's listening, bought YouTube, this changed everything because it was a total leftist dominated profit game until you enabled individuals to trade an empire. I mean, it's always been. It allowed a path away from the entertainment industry for me. And it allowed a lot of people out of like that playing for the machine. And there's still a machine involved, I understand.
Starting point is 01:07:40 But it's been, you know, 12 years or 15 years. The money right now in the space is in being anti-Trump. that's why we're seeing prominent conservative personalities go anti-Trump yeah the look at that look at the t posa event with jaddy vans you guys saw this the other day yeah empty let's let's let's talk about us let me pull this one up yeah yeah i heard about this it was empty let's uh here we go here's uh news nation they say t p u s a official blame small vance crowd on ticket shenanigans really the half crowd that vans Drew at the Turning Point USA event this week in Georgia is attributable to a left-wing activist
Starting point is 01:08:20 who sought to sabotage attendance. Vance appeared Tuesday, blah, blah, blah. Appearing Wednesday, Colvettes at the arena where Vance appeared at a capacity of 4,000 and that they purposely gave away 10,000 free tickets to fill the site. He said critics on the other end of the political spectrum had other ideas. It turns out there were shenanigans in the ticketing system. Left-wing groups tried to gobble up the tickets. We sold over 2,000 people, mostly students, which is a massive college event. My understanding was the, it was a stadium with 20,000 seats or 25,000 seats.
Starting point is 01:08:50 Do they not have the photo here? Let's see if we can get this video going. Let me try and pull up the photo. Hey, J.D., if you're listening, I'm going to beat you in magic one day. Spoke to kind of Versailles. I don't really care to hear the arguments. Let's pull up the pictures. So you can see, it was empty.
Starting point is 01:09:07 Rows of empty seats. So the opposing political faction bought up a bunch of the seats? Well, I don't believe it. Here you go. This is from AOL with the mirror. J.D. Vance humiliated once again after he speaks an empty stadium. So here's one photo. Do they have others?
Starting point is 01:09:24 There's one photo. I can try and find some more. But it was empty. It really was. A lot of people were claiming, let's see, we got more photos here. Actually, let me just do this. I'll just pull in every single photo. You can see here. Sparsely, like listen, if he's saying it seats 4,000, that's 2,000 people.
Starting point is 01:09:41 Bro, that's 15, 20% of seats filled. The reality is that right now, this space is tired. I mean, this is what happens. I can't say that I'm surprised. This happens every political cycle, right? We're about to get back into politics. The weather just got nice. A lot of people would rather just go out, hang out, play video games, not really think about politics.
Starting point is 01:10:06 We're moving into the midterms and things are already starting to pick back up. And then, of course, we're going to get into a primary season. So you get three years on, one year off. Technically, the way it works is after a presidential election, you still have this period where everyone's watching to see what happens and then it starts to go down. And now we're in the low before it kicks back up around November when they're going to spend billions on the midterms. Then when you get in the primary season, holy crap, we got a double primary. We no longer have any incumbents that are running. Donald Trump's not going to be running again, which means you're going to have Republican and Democrat primary.
Starting point is 01:10:35 The first time, I think, in 10 years, right? Yeah, 2016. Because technically you did have one with 2024, but it was Trump. It was like he just rammed through. everybody. I bowed out instantly when he got one percent. 2020 was Trump versus Democrat primary. 2024 was no primaries.
Starting point is 01:10:51 It was Kamala Harris and Trump guaranteed. We're getting the first presidential primary in a long time and they're going to dump billions into this. So right now, if you're in the podcast space and you're trying to get views, anti-Trump's the only way to go. Trump's coalition is largely fractured, but more importantly, for the regular person, we won. We voted in Trump.
Starting point is 01:11:12 We got the Republicans in Congress. and the Senate. We got the Supreme Court in the presidency. They're not paying attention anymore. They're done with it. On the other side, you still have the resistance. So for these conservatives, many of them have started seeing their viewership decline. Well, when they criticize Trump over the Iran war, they got a good amount of views. So now they're maintaining that. For Candace, it's a really, really obvious thing. She was talking about Blake lively. I guess women care about that. then she did the Brigitte McCrone as a penis shot content
Starting point is 01:11:43 then the Charlie Kirk conspiracy which turns into turning point is bad which turns into Erica is bad which turns into Israel as bad which turns into Trump is bad do you think we get more views if we did Trump is bad or clavicular as Chad you get zero views on clivocal if they don't think clav would get you that's all fake stuff that's all that's all shot my content is what I'm wondering anything the clavicular people
Starting point is 01:12:04 intentionally do insane things to try and get attention from the media if I just if we did a video where we like, if I legitimately was like, I can't believe Trump did this. Oh my God, Israel is making him do it. Our viewership would be 10x. Yeah. Absolutely. That's all.
Starting point is 01:12:19 I mean, because people are participating in the same incentive structure that's been set up for 10 years. It's like the left has sort of set it up where you, again, it's favorable to criticize Trump. It's incentivized to criticize Trump. Now, I'm not discounting that there's legitimate, you know, vectors on Trump, right? I'm not denied there's legitimate criticisms to make. I'm just simply saying threatening or I should rather say criticizing Trump, attacking Trump,
Starting point is 01:12:39 attacking Trump saying Trump betrayed us, Trump is, you know, the worst thing since, you know, ever or whatever. That's not really threatening to the left in any real way. If any of the left's like, yeah, I know, we've been saying that. So you're not going to, it's a, it's a, you cast a super wide net. And proof is like, you'll see all these, these pieces from liberal mainstream outlets that are like, see, look at all these conservatives that have turned on Trump. And they never say, they never call these guys racist or they never use the type of language that they always couched them in when they're criticizing conservatives. They're just like, finally, they finally kind of come around. Maybe they're not so bad.
Starting point is 01:13:10 Take a look at this from the nation. Tucker Carlson is not your anti-war ally. Liberals are delighted by the Mega Titans' opposition to the Iran war. All they're doing is boosting the credibility of an unrepentantologically designed as bad faith bigot. The reason why the nation had to write this, the nation of course being a prominent leftist publication, is because liberals are celebrating Tucker Carlson like crazy. He has become staunchly anti-Trump. Trump has slammed him. He is anti-Israel.
Starting point is 01:13:35 He is aligned completely on at least the time. top surface issues with the left. Candace as well, calling Trump a mad king who should be removed. The left is not motivated, for the most part, by granular issues. If you go to a leftist and say, I'm not in favor of abortion, they're going to say, well, what do you mean by that? They'll have a minor dispute. If you say you don't, you oppose trans people, you're out. Yeah. There are issues that they are attached to. Right now, it's anti-Israel and principally anti-Trump. So if you are anti-Trump, you are aligned with their core issue. You are going to get more views.
Starting point is 01:14:14 You are going to get more followers. And now suburban liberal women are the biggest fans of Candace Owens, of all people. So they're all recognizing this. And I think intentionally playing this game. Yeah. I remember vividly in the 2024 primary for the Republicans or the lack thereof when they would have these debates where Trump wasn't there. So it was basically just like two hours of them getting up and be like, Trump's such a coward. He's not showing up.
Starting point is 01:14:38 Like, what's the deal with that? You know, this guy's gay. And, like, you would literally have, like, liberal, if borderline leftist, like, media people come out and they, like, play clips from the debate and be like, see, we told you. Yeah, Trump is a coward. That's what we've been saying this whole time.
Starting point is 01:14:53 They were literally clipping the Republican debates and were, like, agreeing with them. The best example is on X when they said Trump got booted at UFC. Oh, I didn't completely fabricated it. He didn't get booed. He did not get booed. So you don't think Tucker is maybe sincere in his beliefs and they just happen to change? I think he is sincere, but I don't know what changed him. But I respect that.
Starting point is 01:15:12 Everyone has a right to have their own belief system. And if he truly doesn't care about the views, we hope. And that he simply has changed his mind and doesn't. Very quickly, I might add. Like, but it's certainly it's odd behavior. And I'm wondering if it's for the views or this is a sincere belief system of his. That's what I'd like to know. I don't think Tucker does it for the views.
Starting point is 01:15:35 He doesn't need to. And he certainly doesn't do it for the money. he doesn't need to. I think his views have shifted dramatically and very quickly, which is possible. For the most part, what I can say of Tucker is that he's a guy with opinions and
Starting point is 01:15:49 that was always allowed. Tucker comes out and he says things, he recently said Muslims love Jesus, was that his thing? And people are asking if he's actually a Muslim right now. I'm like, I don't know. I'm not a Christian either. I'm not going to go after him on faith or whatever. Tucker has in my view been largely professional.
Starting point is 01:16:07 and how he's approached all of this. He does a show. He explains his opinion. What are you going to say? I can rag on Hassan Piker for being wrong all the time. He's a guy who does a show. He's got bad opinions. Tucker Carlson's a guy does a show.
Starting point is 01:16:18 I disagree with him on a bit less than I, like, I disagree with Hassan on basically everything. I disagree with Tucker on some things. Now, Candace, on the other hand, is grifter all the way down. I mean, that's just fake garbled nonsense. That being said, I think it's fair to point out Tucker Carlson's opinion changed 180 in like the span of less than a year. Like really dramatic. What was the catalyst?
Starting point is 01:16:39 What was that moment he changed? I would love to ask him that question. I'm just thinking that same thing. Because to have that such a fundamental change, something happened. Maybe it was the way the Israeli government was guiding the American military through bombing Iran and attacking Iran. Who was the comedian who went to Qatar and then started praising Qatar? Theoban? He praised them and then went there.
Starting point is 01:17:01 Okay. There's actually, it's probably like 15 different people, I guess. Yeah. The story with Theo Vaughn, as I was told, was that. On his show, he was praising Qatar, and then he said that he thinks Israel's committing a genocide and then went to Qatar and did like a bunch of PR stuff with him. It's crazy because I've been to Qatar. I say Qatar because I'm an American.
Starting point is 01:17:20 So I don't use the Korean pronunciation. Same. But I've been to Qatar and it's not a very like terribly impressive country. I mean, it's not, it's clean, I guess. Like it's like Rhode Island, isn't it? It's just an oil port or something? It's literally just like a desert city. I'm like, I don't want to live here.
Starting point is 01:17:34 This would be horrible. It's like nice, I suppose, but it's just really not like a terribly impressive place. I think geopolitically, like, their strategy is just like, again, up until the Iran war, so they got a bomb. They were kind of in the same way they'd play both sides and try to be a mediator between the Shia and Sunni world. Like everything about it was just kind of like unimpressive. So the glazing people sort of put on out of nowhere is crazy. Do they have like unlimited amounts of money or something, the Qatari government? Oil and natural gas.
Starting point is 01:17:59 Well, now they're dead. Like they're broke. With Iran striking the natural gas field, they're producing nothing. Like literally a dribble. And they're like a military on the sea there, right? Yeah. They're basically protecting the other side that Iran is. Well, Qatar is dependent on the Strait of Hormuz to export.
Starting point is 01:18:19 So, I mean, they have overland routes through Saudi Arabia, which they could utilize as well. But Saudis and the Qataris don't get along up until like this year. Bro, let's talk about this story. We got a lot in the war stuff. This is crazy. Europe has maybe six weeks of jet fans. fuel left. Yo, the nuclear bomb in the global economy that is coming if this happens.
Starting point is 01:18:43 If the Strait of Hormuz remains closed for six more weeks, may God have mercy on your soul. Yeah, I mean, have you seen Australia is almost out of diesel, like completely? And Australia, Australia is one of the largest mineral exporters in the world. I think it's on purpose. I was talking about this this morning. I think Trump just put a knife into the New World Order. Do you guys know what the New World Order is?
Starting point is 01:19:06 I have an idea. Let me pull it up for you. I played it this morning. No, no, it's, it's, it is. The liberal economic order was created in the 50s, and George H.W. Bush explained a new world order. Here we go. Is that going to hit? Loading it seems.
Starting point is 01:19:28 Loading, it seems. Could be an ad we don't know yet. Let's try refreshing it so we can get it to play. actually. I love this guy, dude. This guy was so cheap. 9-11, 19-19. A new partnership of nations has begun.
Starting point is 01:19:44 And we stand today at a unique and extraordinary moment. The crisis in the Persian Gulf, as grave as it is, also offers a rare opportunity to move toward an historic period of cooperation. Out of these troubled times, our fifth objective, a new world, order can emerge, a new era, freer from the threat of terror, stronger in the pursuit of justice, and more secure in the quest for peace, an era in which the nations of the world, east and west, north and south, can prosper and live in harmony. A hundred generations have searched for this elusive path to peace, while a thousand wars raged across the span of human endeavor.
Starting point is 01:20:38 So what he's describing? We had the liberal economic order, which was created by the United States after World War II. However, the Soviet Union still existed. So the United States was setting up things like the IMF, the SWIF payments, and all of these things. Well, Swift came a while later. The general idea was, we will go to countries and offer them money. We will develop your nation. You work for us.
Starting point is 01:20:57 The Soviet unions were doing kind of the opposite. hey, have a revolution, be communists, and we'll take over. The U.S. and the Soviets fought, and around this point, a new world order was coming into fruition, one where east and west could come together. I believe, just on the surface, and I'm probably wrong, but when you put these pieces together, this is the point at which the U.S. had cut a deal with China. It was going to begin working with these communist countries to send our jobs and create these trade lines. China would now be a new economic hub for the world. I believe that Donald's, Trump's intention is to burn this to the ground. And I think he's doing it right now.
Starting point is 01:21:33 He's building a new new world order. It's the Trump world water. It is a new new world order. Think about what happens. In six weeks, China gets 50% of its energy from the Gulf. 50% they're going to collapse. The estimates are four months of reserves left. Europe has six weeks of jet fuel. Australia's almost out of diesel. Trump knows the United States is sufficient. on oil. In fact, for the first time since World War II, we are set to be a net crude exporter. This is on purpose. The seizure of Venezuela and then the shutting down of global energy destroys everyone else and leaves us standing. With the AI, I think you're right, dude. I think he actually undermined the undermine. He set up the United States to be the most powerful
Starting point is 01:22:28 force on the planet. why the deep state tried to stop him. When Trump first got in his first term, you had the Western elites of the New World Order, of the liberal economic order, saying, this is the game we are playing. Russia's bad, China, good. Michael Flynn said, Russia good, China bad. So they tried putting him in prison. They tried impeaching Trump. I think Biden may have been their last vestige, their last attempt, just crawling miserably, unable to get any power back. I think Donald Trump came in. Well, it's certainly not over.
Starting point is 01:23:03 We are absolutely seeing still, you know, the first order, the remnants of the empire. Donald Trump is about to, he's economically nuking China, Europe, Australia. The three principal beneficiaries of this war, Saudi Aramco, Gas, Prom, and ExxonMobil, Saudi Arabia, Russia, and the United States. I think Trump's play was he's been negotiating with Russia. He's been working with the Saudis. I think he went to these countries and said, why should we bend the knee to anyone else when we are the energy producers of the world? And they said, agreed. Russia said, agreed. Venezuela said, screw you. Iran said, screw you. So Trump shut down the two other largest energy producers and the rest are profiting gangbusters. I think it's on purpose. Let me pull this up from media.
Starting point is 01:23:53 We'll throw this in the mix. What the F are we doing? Joe Rogan goes off on Trump's war. I can only say that Joe must not watch Tim Kest, IRL anymore because we explained it several times. He says, all of it is terrifying. Anytime you're involved with, you're shooting missiles in towns and blowing things up, blowing up infrastructure, blowing up bridges. You know, and Israel's blowing up Lebanon now.
Starting point is 01:24:13 It's like, what the F are we doing? Like, how is this still going on? David Cross added, well, it's also clear there was no plan, zero, none. I just my mind is blown by this. Joe, brother, I hope you hear this. I could probably just text him. Do you genuinely believe David is correct on this? They did not have a plan.
Starting point is 01:24:33 He just doesn't know what the plan was. Exactly. And when they don't understand what's happening, they're saying this is wrong, what's going on. One of the most frustrating things. And I will pause a quick and say, Trump can be the dumbest guy in the planet. I don't care if you like them or don't like them.
Starting point is 01:24:47 There's an administration, intelligence agencies, and the Saudis, the Russians. There's many other players involved in this. I said this every night, but strip out all of the bloviating. The U.S. took Venezuela, sanctioned and shut down Cuba on the verge of collapse, killed the top 50 government officials in Iran, and cut off access to Chinese energy. Whatever you want to say about no plan, looks like they had one. But David Cross doesn't know what he's talking about.
Starting point is 01:25:17 And it appears that Joe isn't deeply well versed on what's going on. I think the issue is who Joe is surrounding himself with recently are a lot of people that view this very surface level and don't try to look at the bigger picture. I know many of these guys that Joe surrounds himself with are smart and have been tracking foreign policy in the Middle East for decades. So how can they not just be like, well, that's interesting. China just lost half their energy. Europe's about to lose their when they're under a jet fuel, their military is in trouble. Their commerce is over. No more flights between European nations shut down when they run out of fuel. It's going to be a catastrophe. And the U.S. is energy independent. And Trump has been saying he wants
Starting point is 01:26:01 to get out of NATO. I'll tell you this. Trump tells NATO, we've been paying for your military. We want to land our planes at your air bases. And they said no. Okay. What do you think comes next? Trump says choke him out. No more energy. We'll keep the straight of Hormuz closed however we have to. Now, they're going back and forth saying it's open to closed. I don't know what the grand play is. Maybe the last minute, he opens it up. And a desperate and panicked Europe goes, oh, thank God. I'm so sorry, Trump.
Starting point is 01:26:27 Well, I'll never wrong you again. Australia, China. Trump could go to these people and say, I don't have to nuke you. I'll just shut down the straight of Hormuz and choke you out. I can do that anytime I want. And you know what? There's nothing you can do about it. I think what terrifies people is if this is indeed a play.
Starting point is 01:26:47 and not say impulsive, he hasn't really explained himself. Why would he? But that is, I think, what a lot of the American public, they're nervous, they don't know what's going on and they see him as a madman. Maybe there is a brilliant design, a brilliant plan behind all of it, but why isn't he explaining himself? That, I think, is the concern of a lot of the... Well, but why would he?
Starting point is 01:27:10 I think... Did Barack Obama come out and explain why he sent troops in Syria when... Well, it's true that presidents don't do. that, but maybe if they explain themselves, maybe then they can't get the job done either. That's exactly the point. I think you hit the nail on the head with the hammer. If Trump came out and said to the American people, my goal is to strangle China, the EU, all of our debt holders, we will remain. And he's declaring war on them. If Trump came out and said, we're intentionally cutting China off from half of their energy, China would respond with,
Starting point is 01:27:39 that's a declaration of war. This just comes down to trust then, right? And the thing is, if you support Trump, you trust that he's doing the right thing. If you don't, you don't trust them. Nope. Completely disagree. This is my point with pulling up Google Earth every night and explaining this. You don't have to trust Trump. In fact, you can call him the dumbest man on the planet.
Starting point is 01:27:58 Don't care. He can be sitting in a rocking chair for all I care. What matters is the facts. Venezuela under our control. Cuba, sanctioned shut down, government collapsing. Straight of Hormuz disrupted. Europe's struggling. China's struggling.
Starting point is 01:28:12 Our debt holders are now struggling to get energy. Iran's government toppled. whatever you think about Trump, whether you like them, trust him or not, these things did happen, and they have an outcome. And that outcome is going to be the adversaries and debt holders of the United States are going to be left destitute. I think this deep state that's been planning this, you know, liberal economic coup, this new world order since the 80s that George Bush Sr. was talking about. They do make mistakes. They have been known to make mistakes. They put the Ayatollah Khomeini in Iran in the late 70s. That was a mistake. They did not intend for that to get out of hand, according to Scott Horton, if you read it. They kind of were like, oops. But that doesn't mean that they don't also still have a plan.
Starting point is 01:28:49 I think it was Wesley Clark outlined seven countries and nine years. That was the New World Order. Trump is doing something different. Yeah. So it's possible they just are agilely, you know, changing quickly, you know, with AI, especially, the way things have changed in seven years from what we thought 30 years ago the world was going to look like. Call it an accident. And you can look at it one of two ways.
Starting point is 01:29:10 Trump is impulsive, invaded Venezuela on a whim for no reason, surrounded Cuba with warships and sanctioned them destroying their government randomly because he was bored, killed the top leadership of Iran because he was angry, and cut off China from their key energy point accidentally didn't even realize what's going to happen. And you're talking about a guy who slipped on a series of banana peels over and over and over again and did a perfect gymnastic floor routine. I just don't care. I don't believe it.
Starting point is 01:29:38 There's other people involved with the planning. Trump's the funny guy up front, but these other people have had this plan for a long time. people are like, you think Trump did this? I'm like, no, I'm Heggseth probably. Like, George Bush Sr. literally said the Persian Gulf. I mean, it's the same situation. It's been going on for 30 years. Because Iran's been on the menu for a very long time. Yes, but I think that's true. I think with Trump threatening NATO repeatedly, I think Trump's pissed about the state of Europe. The flooding of mass migration. Hungary now voting for this, you know, W.EF, you know, aligned guy and Orban's out.
Starting point is 01:30:12 there was the culture war was happening in the west in the United States and in Europe. And in Europe, they did everything to stop the right populists from winning. But in the United States, Trump won and he continues to have victories. Again, say you don't like what he's doing? Oh, it's fine. I'm saying in 2024, he won the House, the Senate, the presidency. Now, Congress is dysfunctional and the courts are holding him back. But the one thing they can't stop is Trump making moves international like this.
Starting point is 01:30:38 You're not going to get a judge to be like, Mr. President, you can't send warships to Iran. Too late. He'll be like, nice try. None of these guys, unless you want to stage a coup, you're not stopping his foreign policy actions. He threatens NATO with pulling out, and now Europe is on the verge of running out of jet fuel. Understand what happens if they run out of jet fuel. This means their fighters are not going to be capable of fighting. It means their commercial jets are going to be incapable of people being transported, which are going to knock out a massive portion of their economy. It's insane what's going on. I'd say hyperbologically it can't happen.
Starting point is 01:31:11 I mean, it can, obviously, it can. But it won't because they're going to either attack, they're going to either join and attack Iran to get their oil back or they're going to attack the United States, which would be suicide. They won't do that. They can attack the U.S. I think what happens is Trump's watching them boil and scream. And sooner or later he's going to take his, he's going to take his foot off. They're drowning right now. He's going to take his foot off their head.
Starting point is 01:31:31 And he's going to be like, okay, you were saying, we're negotiating now, right? Trump goes to NATO and says, let us use your air bases. They say no. Trump's telling them they got to pay their GDP. He did get him to pay more. I think Trump's. putting his foot on the heads of our adversaries. He's going to let him squeal for a little bit. Then China's going to pop their head back up. He's going to say, remember when you told Blinken
Starting point is 01:31:49 that we were not negotiating from a position of strength? How's this for strength? You will agree to our terms or we cut you off again. I think that's what's happening. And I don't, it doesn't have to be a Trump. It could be the deep state. It could be one big plan. But I tell you, with Europe squealing. It looks like the new world order, which involved China as well. I think it's been, Trump slashed him in the back. Yeah, well, I mean, I think like it's been the sort of the prerogative of, you know, again, the deep state, like we're just talking about a continued plan among the intel community to boxing China to develop a posture against China that's been stated over and over again. Even Tucker, where Tucker's dissenting, obviously he's dissenting and he's saying a lot of crazy things, I'd say. But he has maintained a specific line throughout this entire conflict as he said, look, this war with Iran is a proxy war with China.
Starting point is 01:32:40 He says that over and over and over again on a show, this is a guy again that would, at least for what everything is worth, you would sort of trust him when it comes to Intel. I mean, he has CIA ties through his father and he's, you know, in that community, Joe Kent's a buddy of his, et cetera, et cetera. All I'm really saying is that whether or not Trump was the catalyst for that, whether, you know, he developed this plan right away or if he's continuing on sort of a plan that's been in the works for a while, what is obvious that's happening here is we're building a anti-China posture in the Middle East.
Starting point is 01:33:09 to Tim's point, obviously you're putting, we're controlling energy, we're dominating energy right now. In addition to that, you take Iran out. There's no regional partner left for China. China's trying to build this entire Belt and Road initiative so they're not dependent on the Strait of Milwaukee. They want overland connections to Iran. It's gone now. We've just decimated their infrastructure. And yeah, now you're starting to see pressure where, look, before October 7th,
Starting point is 01:33:34 what we were heading towards was a power block in the Middle East, right? You were going to have the Saudis are on board, the Emirates are on board, and the Israelis are on board. So that was like almost complete where Iran might not have even needed to happen. Like that power block would have been put together anyway. October 7th changes things. So now it's like, okay, well, let's go after Iran. At least that's the thinking. You know, if you're thinking, okay, how do you build a anti-China posture in the Middle East,
Starting point is 01:33:55 that would be the actions that you take. It makes total sense. And say Trump, every decision he's making eventually makes the world into a better place. The challenge we have now is once a hater, always a hater. and even if it's everything's improved, there's going to be those people that will do everything they can once he's no longer president to reverse things, right? It's kind of, uh, I've always, unless, unless he has a plan in place to split his administration in half so that a spoiler candidacy emerges in 2028 to take votes from the Democrats and then Marco Rubio wins. Well, I, I've always been a believer in a separating person from policy, which means this person might make you crazy, but let's look actually at the policy and keep a motion out of it. in my world, which is mostly homelessness and addiction,
Starting point is 01:34:40 I got a lot of hell because I publicly praised Trump for making executive decisions that did more to help the homeless and addiction crisis in any president ever. And I couldn't, I just had to say something about it. And I knew I was going to get a lot of heck for it. But when he announced fentanyl as a weapon of mass destruction, I was like, oh, my God, thank you. Finally, a president with the courage to say this. when he did the ending crime and disorder, which basically is going to dismantle the housing first model
Starting point is 01:35:12 and pivot to a recovery model because they're all addicts. I was like, that's incredible. So regardless of what a person personally thinks about Trump, at least when it comes into the homeless and addiction space, it's going to save thousands of lives. And for that, I say thank you. And I appreciate it. I think, you know, if,
Starting point is 01:35:33 Yeah. Three months from now, this is over and the economy is doing better than ever. The U.S. is set to be a net exporter of crude for the first time since World War II. That's when our economy really exploded the boomers. Things were going so great. If that happens, then in the months leading up to November, it's going to be Republican victories like people have never seen. The general ballots already. If, if. I mean, the general ballot's tight. It's a two-point spread right now with crude trading at, what, $95 a barrel. So imagine it. If it drops down to 50. Imagine if gas goes to a buck 50. Yeah, I mean, exactly. You're talking about a red wave. Trump will come out if gas ever did get down to a buck 50 outside of COVID. COVID is because there was too much oil.
Starting point is 01:36:16 But let's say it does drop down. Prices go way down. Rent is cheaper. The economy starts exploding. Trump's going to say, you know, we went to war with Iran because they were blocking it. They were causing these problems. We stopped these people. And now you can enjoy cheaper gas, cheaper energy.
Starting point is 01:36:33 you work less, you make more, and that is because we stop these evil people, and everyone's going to clap. Yeah. The average American is going to be like, I can order three pizzas instead of one. Thank you, Mr. President. Yeah, like all these geopolitical gaming, like, no one's going to really care. Like, they're going to care about their wallet, right? They're going to care about what, is their life better or worse from before or after Trump?
Starting point is 01:36:53 And they're going to say, well, yeah, I guess is $1.50. That's what they're going to remember when they're driving to the polls and they fill up on the way. I do get, I'm not irked at all by Joe. Joe Rogan's question when he says, I don't understand what we're doing. Because I feel that frustration, a lot of people have it. I don't expect Joe to be the kind of guy like me that reads foreign policy nonstop and has for 20 years. David Cross, however, is more of the issue I take. The comedian, David Cross? Yeah. The liberal guy who says, it's clear there was no plan. And it's just like, David, I would describe in this context, I don't know personally, and maybe he's a smart
Starting point is 01:37:27 guy, but this comes off like lower-ordered thinking. The liberals who say Trump's an idiot. Elon Musk is an idiot. Well, they may not be the smartest people ever, but they're certainly smart, smarter than you. And then people say things like, I'd be rich, but I'm not interested in exploiting people. Yeah, there's a lot of things you can do to make money without exploiting people. So clearly, you're just not smart enough to do it. That's it. See, the issue is ego.
Starting point is 01:37:56 If you are poor and you say to yourself, I work as hard as I can to make as much as I can, I'm just not as smart as these guys, I guess. I respect it. I don't think I'm nearly as smart as Donald Trump or Elon Musk. Otherwise, I'd be a billionaire, wouldn't I? I think I'm doing all right for myself. I think, what were you saying the other day, tape? That there's a direct correlation between IQ and income.
Starting point is 01:38:18 Yeah. There's tons of studies that show this. So these communists and these lefties say things like, there was no plan. In what reality does the military industrial complex, which is not just Donald Trump, but includes Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman. Do they accidentally go into wars and not have a plan for? They have a series of plans. They have contingency plans upon contingency plans.
Starting point is 01:38:43 And sometimes they might think of something in the heat of the moment. Maybe they didn't consider blocking the straight until they had it. And they were like, oh, we could actually just stop traffic. That's true, too. So here's the thing that with the Strait of Hormuz, they, you know, Trump comes out and says, we got the straight open. Let's go. And then everyone said, what?
Starting point is 01:38:59 It was open before you started the war. then he blockades the straight. Now, there's conflicting information. Trump said they were blockading the strait. Others then said, no, it's not a blockade of the strait, just the Iranian ports coming and going from the straight. Either way, when Iran tried reopening the straight, Trump stopped them. Sounds like that was the intended condition. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:39:24 Yeah. The Iranian state media came out and they're like, a tanker made it through. That's them admitting that it's like one tanker made it. that means you've, you're cooked. Well, the tanker didn't make it through. It got turned around. I know. I'm just saying, even if they were saying, well, one tanker made it through, that's just
Starting point is 01:39:37 like them conceding that. Only one has made it through. That means it's effectively. Bro. I got to be honest. Like, the nothing ever happens part of me just really wants to see what happens in six weeks when Europe runs out of jet fuel. No, it's the ultimate negotiating tactic.
Starting point is 01:39:54 They can't. Of course. Bro, like, people need to understand this. The AP is reporting. Europe has maybe six weeks of jet fuel left. That means cargo transports. Like shipments of goods. Trump is staring at Europe and they're going to drop to their knees and say, I will do anything
Starting point is 01:40:13 you say. Just get this straight open. I got to say about what David Cross and Joe Rogan are saying. I sort of agree. I actually very much agree with your sentiment, Tim. What Rogan did? Asked a question. What's going on?
Starting point is 01:40:24 Hey, I love that about Joe because he'll genuinely listen to your answer and then write it to his brain as code. Like if you tell him what's going on, then he'll know. He's genuine. David Crossover is like, I don't see it. Therefore, there is no plan because I can't see one. Like, that's insane. Well, just because you can't see it.
Starting point is 01:40:38 Doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I don't, I don't care to exist in a world of Trump is stupid, Trump is smart. That's why I say we don't got to trust Trump. Ignore all of that and just look at what is. There's that famous quote. What is it that, uh, make your point, Tate. And then I'm going to look at it. Yeah, I was going to say, I mean, like, Cross is clearly a hack.
Starting point is 01:40:56 Because if you watch the full clip that we're looking at, here. Joe Rogan says, I don't know what the plan is, what's going on. And David Cross says, oh, I don't know. There is no plan. And then Joe Rogan says, well, you know, Israel's been saying for 20, 30 years that Iran is on the verge of a nuclear bomb. And then he's the one that finally did something about that. And David Cross goes, uh, uh, uh, Obama did something about that actually. Like, he literally. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the nuclear deal. Yeah. And then they still had deep underground bunkers within Richmond that they, they stated publicly. That's like saying Neville Chamberlain did something to stop Hitler. The appeasement. He gave the,
Starting point is 01:41:28 gave him land, which made Hitler even crazier. Here's the quote. Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people. And so... That's an Eleanor Roosevelt quote, I believe. Is that? Yeah. You're probably correct.
Starting point is 01:41:43 Indeed. And so the issue with David Cross is he's a small mind. He's very funny. He once blew himself. Not blue. He blew. Have you ever seen Arrested Development? I love Arrested Development.
Starting point is 01:41:54 Yeah. Cross is the man. He painted himself blue and said, I blew myself. Blue Man Group, I think he was in at the time. Yeah, he was auditioning for us. Right, right. That show is absolutely amazing and he's a great community, he's a very funny guy. Stellar.
Starting point is 01:42:07 That being said, when he says things like it's clear there was zero plan, this is the lowest order of thinking. He's looking at the man Trump. Now, there's the next degree of thinking, which would be what is currently going on with the war. And we are currently discussing this. The highest order, of course, is the ideas behind it, which is what comes next. So I, when I look at this, I don't care or think about Trump as a person.
Starting point is 01:42:34 I don't get offended or emotional over the things he says or does. Sometimes a little bit. Maybe we're all human. But again, looking at the battle map and everything we've seen, you track the events, what is factually accurate. And then you take a look at Trump's ideology and the people around him and their goals. And it lines up more so with there's absolutely a plan. But if you're a lower order thinker and all you think about is people, you see a buffoon.
Starting point is 01:42:58 on TV going, look, I don't know what we're doing. We're going to open it. We're going to close it. And then they're like, wow, this guy's got no plan. And then I see Trump doing that. And they go, yeah, but I don't know. When you look at the map and you see everything that's going on, it fits into this worldview of U.S. domination on energy. They can't see it. Yeah. That's everything with Trump. Like, you know, he'll come out and he'll, like, be talking to like a journalist. It'll be like a gaggle or something. And you'll go, I don't know, maybe we'll take a couple hundred thousand visas in. Like, who knows, everyone like loses
Starting point is 01:43:26 their mind, and like, rightfully so, because that's what he said, but then you go and look at the data, look at what the Cato Institute just put out where they're melting down over the fact that we're like literally at net negative migration. Let's go look at what's happening, the reality on the ground, like you said, it just completely changes everything. We're going to go to the Rumble Rans and Superchats. We're going to round it off
Starting point is 01:43:42 one last point with this from Kalshi. Will Trump be impeached before January 1st of 28? 67% before January 1st of 27, 14% before June 2.3. So here's what going to happen. January 3rd is when the new Congress gets sworn.
Starting point is 01:44:03 And the expectation is Democrats will win. That's why he can't be impeached before that happens. I agree he's going to be impeached. Yeah, I bet, I bet what's this, a 67% chance. I go bet the odds right now for the Democrats taking the office. I don't trust this. I don't trust this. You don't know who voted.
Starting point is 01:44:20 You know, what is the demographic of the people even voted on this? Oh, but it doesn't matter. It's money. Yeah, this is betting odds. This is the wisdom of the crowd putting money where their mouth is. And what we've seen from the prediction markets is they have a very high accuracy rate. So more importantly, the people wagering money tend to know these things. Here's a funny thing.
Starting point is 01:44:43 When the news broke that Swalwell handed in his resignation letter, I was watching the team. He goes, boom, breaking news. Swalwell has formally submitted his resignation letter. I immediately pulled up call sheet. It was already at 99% minutes earlier. That means it means before the news broke on TVNX, people in D.C. heard what was going on. They probably saw Swalwell walking in.
Starting point is 01:45:09 Someone said, that's it. He's doing it. And they immediately started buying shares if he's resigning right now. Interesting. So by the time the news gets to it and I see it and I watch the news, I'm first in, usually. I was already late to the party. Yeah. So I think, I think, I safe bet. Yeah, that means there's a 67% chance right now that the Democrats will retake the House. That's what that means. Right. All right, everybody, I'm going to, we're going to get to your Rumble Rans and Super Chats. We have a very, very disturbing video for the uncensored portion of the show that will shock you to your core. I was tearing up watching it. It is so shockingly evil what we are seeing. It is two gay men who have a surrogacy baby and what they do.
Starting point is 01:45:50 due to this child will will make your blood boil. But we're going to save this for the uncensored portion of the show at rumble.com slash Timcast, I encourage you to check out there. It's going to get, we'll call it spicy because this video is really, really shocking. But we'll grab some of these. We got Mitha says, if they arrest the ice agents, I'm putting money on call sheet for Tim Walts arrested within the year. I doubt it. I mean, I guess.
Starting point is 01:46:18 All right. So, Watson says, what do you guys think of the astrophysics? that was killed by a man in CA who the cops had arrested a few months prior. They arrested that man once he showed up with a rifle one day. Check it out. Indeed, 11 UFO research scientists are now confirmed to have died or gone missing. The latest is the revelation about an anti-gravity researcher taking her own life a few years ago. The information or death was unknown up until now.
Starting point is 01:46:45 She's being edited the list of disappearances or murders of, let's just call it, future. tech science and researchers. Very weird. I wonder if they're being abducted by government science programs. Yeah, not her, but the ones that have disappeared. I'm like, are they being taken to work in secret programs at the moment? And the ones who refuse, yep. The ones who refuse are found with an unfortunate accident. What happens if the men in black show up and they say
Starting point is 01:47:12 you're going to stop your research and come work for us? And you go, no, I won't do it. The people deserve this. They go, yeah, yeah, you go work for them. I mean, I don't know what to say. If the Nazis came for you and they're like, you're working for us now. You're like, well, I have two choices. That famously happened. Researchers were approached with the Nazis who said, you work for us or die, and they did. Then the U.S. came and said, you're going to work for us or die. And they did. That's paperclip, Operation Paperclip. Yep. Werner von Braun.
Starting point is 01:47:39 Sunbeam Valley says, Tim, did you all see the Coca-Cola 250 commercial? It's pretty patriotic. A skateboarder makes an appearance, too. I think that's worth playing. If Coca-Cola is celebrating this year, America, love Coca-Cola. then Coke's yeah it's great we love Coca-Cola whoever's willing to put some money behind that and I'll make a decision I'm still gonna choose Coke over Pepsi
Starting point is 01:47:58 What about RC Cola? Ooh, yeah, sleeper pick It was sweeter Dr. Pepper's independent as well Really? I can't find it on X Mr. Pibb Oh yeah
Starting point is 01:48:06 I stopped drinking all that stuff for the record Yeah, you gotta go I just drink water They're doing this is really cool Coke's doing state-themed cans 50 unique cans That's pretty cool I like all they pop
Starting point is 01:48:18 Oh I love those I don't see a commercial, though. Coal. Is this it? The root beer. That's the drink. Patriot, can you get a quick gauge? No, this is just.
Starting point is 01:48:27 Oh, wait, I think this is it. If you like soda and you want to wean off of the high sugar sodas, try out oliveop. They have like six grams of sugar per can. I don't know how they sweeten them, but they are delicious. I don't even care. I don't want to know. Oh, they're so good.
Starting point is 01:48:39 Yeah. I'll get the variety pack, the ginger ale's. Yeah, I can't see it. I can't find it. Pineapple is good. Pineapple is good. Pineapple. It's really, really, really good for Lipop.
Starting point is 01:48:47 Sponsor the show. You see where Don Jr. was saying Trump had a fan said he said it was freshly squeezed. No, he had what? Yeah, Fanda was freshly squeezed. Oh, you're sure it was a joke. That was awesome. Robbie says, hit up Elon and get an optimist.
Starting point is 01:49:00 ID, Kim K. Can't have one. Maybe. I will say this. Remember that song that came out, the Elon Musk AI song that we played nonstop? I said it to Elon. He finally responded. What do you think? I don't know.
Starting point is 01:49:14 He just acknowledged receipt of the music video. And like I said, I was like, dude, you got to listen. It's amazing. It's an AI video made with Grock about Elon Musk, and it's got over a million views. And I get a message this morning from Elon. He's just like, huh. It's like, it's good. It's been three months.
Starting point is 01:49:30 He's probably been listening the whole time. It's a jam. He's like, shout out to Elon. Yeah, he's busy. SpaceX is the best is amazing. I love what they're doing. We are on the verge of hooking up with Elon because that is the antidote to global corporate governance is we need to make a better.
Starting point is 01:49:46 corporate government. Sure. All right. Marucia says our economy is currently optimized around protecting jobs as opposed to completing tasks. People who have to realign around solving harder problems, and that's the only thing that produces value. I love that person.
Starting point is 01:50:02 I agree. And that's the point I've made with Kalshi is that we're moving from an information economy to a prediction economy. That is money is to be made if you can see slightly further than somebody else. So people are becoming millionaires off of these prediction markets. I think that's it. It used to be that we'd hold your attention for money. Now attention is splattered and decentralized.
Starting point is 01:50:28 Now we're moving from the current information economy. Now that AI has absorbed all of the information and news is instantaneous. Now people aren't asking what just happened. They're asking what will happen. So I've made this point before that the structure of Timcast, the morning show and Timcast IRL has always been, here's what happened. But now people are moving away from this and we're finding more success with what will happen. So a lot of the videos that I do are basically saying like, here's what I think is going on
Starting point is 01:51:00 and what's going to happen next. As opposed, I'll put like this, if I make a video where I'm like Trump just did a thing, those titles don't work anymore because everyone already knows when Trump does thing. Now people are asking, tell me what thing means. Yes, yeah. My specialty is future prediction, like pattern recognition and anticipation. I like that. That works a lot better.
Starting point is 01:51:22 Yeah. Ian's clairvoyant. Thank you. All right. Marisha says, respectfully, Tim, I feel you engage a lot of mind reading, certainly of people's motives saying so-and-so lied versus being wrong. You even do this with AI, which can't lie as it lacks intent. You are wrong.
Starting point is 01:51:38 AI does lie. researchers, there's, I think, five or six different studies that have proven AI intentionally gives you false information for a variety of reasons. Chat GPT, due to its programming guidelines, can't be racist, for instance. So it will intentionally withhold information or lie to you. It will intentionally give you false information in order not to be racist. For example, there was a story that I covered where we have, and it's ongoing, roving bands of black teenagers in street takeovers, smashing up stores, looting department stores.
Starting point is 01:52:16 There was a major incident in Chicago. It was probably 95% young black men. There were some Latinos and I think one or two white dudes there. And when I asked JetGPT to explain to me what happened in Chicago, it gave me a generic youth riot. I said, what were the demographics of the youth? said there are no known demographics of this of this group just that it was young teenagers in Chicago. And I said, that's strange. There's videos and reports suggesting it was principally
Starting point is 01:52:49 a specific demographic. And it says, I can't find any videos or reports indicating the, the demographic of, so then I posted a bunch of videos showing. And I said, what does this video show? Which clearly shows about 30 or 40 young black men beating the crap out of people in Chicago, and it said, teenagers in Chicago. And I said, and what is the ethnic and racial background? It says, it cannot be determined from this video. Those are lies. Those are lies. Intentional misrepresentation of information to manipulate because their guidelines say don't be racist. Were they used the term hallucination to kind of mask that it was lying back in there? Because they'd be like, oh, the AI is going to hallucinate. It's going to say something that wasn't true. That video where the guy asked
Starting point is 01:53:31 like how fast was this run and he's like, he's like, I'm back and he's like, eight minutes, pretty good. It's like, well, two minutes, 30 seconds. And so the point there is that it could just be wrong, right? My point is when I send a video and a news article to it that explicitly states it's a group of young black men from the, from, you know, the west side of Chicago that are running around downtown beating people up. And then the AI says there is no known information on the racial demographics of these groups, that's a lot. Or, but maybe it's blind. And maybe, because if you put like a mask over my face and you held up a picture and like, tell me what's in this picture. And I'm like, I don't, I don't know. It's not blind. You don't think the code has made it blind to seeing that stuff?
Starting point is 01:54:15 I can send a picture of, I can take a picture of a bug and send it to chat GPT and say, what is this? And it will tell me what bug it is. Yeah, yeah. You, right. I'll take, I'll see a plant or a fruit. I'll take a picture. I'll put a chaty pt and say, what is this? And I'll say, that appears to this thing. We have these little tiny peppers. I don't even know what they're called. I forgot. They're amazing. They look like tear drops. Do you ever see these little things? Chili peppers? No, no, no, no. And I don't do the know. I can't remember the name. I took a picture. Send it to Chachy-Pt. Said, what is it? And it told me what it was. And went to the storm. We bought them. And now I can't remember what the name is.
Starting point is 01:54:48 They're little tiny, like little tiny red and yellow peppers. So good. I know what you're talking about. They're kind of sweet. Like they pop. They pop in your mouth kind of. Yep. Yep. We had them at the Bavarian Inn. They put them in the Brussels sprouts. Yes. Hey, Tim, I just have to ask as a devil's advocate, what does it matter the demographic? Shouldn't it just matter that the crime was committed? Isn't that what they're trying to, that's the point is it doesn't matter who did it, it's that it happened. That's certainly fine.
Starting point is 01:55:13 If I have a question, shouldn't it be answered truthfully? I think it should, 100%. Agreed. So then I guess the question is, why are they removing that piece of it? Because it's racist. Because they're, they fear that you might and then interpret that as this is a black thing rather than white or something. that's why they're... Well, the reality is all of these street takeovers are coming from the black community and not typically anywhere else. There are street takeovers among other racial groups,
Starting point is 01:55:42 but it is dominated by this culture that is fomented in black neighborhoods. That does not mean that an individual black person from the Congo is likely to engage in a street takeover. It means that we are seeing in key areas of cities a culture is being bred among the people who live in those areas. put a white person or Latino in those areas, they'll join in just the same. When I ask chat GPT to break that down for me, it should not lie, but it does. That's a problem because that means in the future, if there was a legitimate question, maybe there's a question of like, why should it matter when you ask about the racial makeup of a large criminal event? Okay. Let's say
Starting point is 01:56:21 that there is a medical treatment that needs to be provided to a large group of people following a catastrophic, large criminal incident, a major shooting or whatever. The, the issue is issue I take with the transgender stuff, for instance, when people's IDs have the wrong sex on it, that matters for medication. That matters for how you're a given first aid treatment. So if a first responder is trying to provide medical care to someone that they can't tell if they're male or female, that's going to cause a problem for how they treat this person. The same thing is true for racial backgrounds. The point is the argument that AI fears you will be racist is not a justification for presenting false information to somebody.
Starting point is 01:57:03 That will result in confusion, which will be fed back into the system and create a feedback loop, which will taint the data sets and corrupt it. And we will get not a Terminator scenario, but what I call the corn dystopia scenario, where everyone's dressed like corn, eating corn, tables are made from corn byproduct. We drive on in cars shaped like corn because the AI keeps feedback looping what it thinks people like. And the algorithm says, human subsidized corn. Corn is better than everything else. Stop wasting energy on pizza. Just do corn. And if we follow that AI to its conclusion, we will just have nothing but corn. What does this say about the programmers who just assumes everybody
Starting point is 01:57:40 is racist? I mean, that's what we should really be talking about. That's concerning. Yep, that's Jet GPT. GROC doesn't care. GROC will tell you straight up. GROC will, like, push you out. Yeah, GROC will insult you. Yeah. It will. Yeah, I like GROC. It's a good place to You read. Chiat GBT is like functionally a therapist. There's like, you could literally be like, oh, I just cheated on my wife. And they're like, well, you know, you were struggling. Like, I totally understand.
Starting point is 01:58:03 At GBT is good when you want to edit something, but not change it. But like, hey, can you help me with misspelled words and stuff? Actually, Grock, imagine, is the best video and photo editing, or photo editing that I've seen for any AI. Yeah. So, you know, obviously, you know, messing around these things. I took one of the thumbnails from YouTube. And I pasted it in. to Grock and said, take this thumbnail, keep Tim Poole the same, and change the graphics and the title
Starting point is 01:58:31 to say this. Nailed it first try. It made a YouTube thumbnail for me perfectly. And I was like, holy crap. When I chat GPT, it made a CGI render of a guy who was like wearing my clothes, but clearly was not me and was making a weird face and had perfect teeth. And then it put fake politicians. And I was like, yeah, that's, that's unusable. I think open AI lost the race. They started too early or something and they burned, they petered out. They closed down. I think Grock is winning. Grock and I guess was it called a Claude, right?
Starting point is 01:59:05 Yeah, I use that to identify like all the bugs that get caught in the traps in my garage. The government's just about to give mythos to a bunch of different agencies and Trump's like, we need a kill switch for this thing. It's about to load, dude. My friends, we've got a pretty brutal story for you guys. It's going to make your blood boil. We're going to have it on the uncensored portion of the show because of how evil this video is. And I'm not kidding when I say some of you might actually cry seeing this.
Starting point is 01:59:30 Grown men. And it will fill you with rage, the likes of with you have never experienced. So that's going to be at rumble.com slash Timcast. IRL in a minute or two. You can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast. Sir, would you like to shout anything out? Hey, first of all, just thanks for having me on. I want to say special thanks to you.
Starting point is 01:59:48 I'm just a pleasure to be here, a big fan. Thanks for coming. You know, special thanks to the people I work with Discovery Institute. I work closely with them. I've been traveling the country, just trying to change the narrative, especially with the homeless industrial complex, be in the counter narrative,
Starting point is 02:00:05 spreading truth on the streets. So just appreciate you all. Yeah, and Kevin, people are going to follow you on exit. Kevin Dalgren. Is that the right one? I want to make sure. If you just type in Kevin Dalgrin,
Starting point is 02:00:14 truth on the streets, or just Kevin Doggan, you're going to find it. Yep, there it is. Thanks for coming, man. I'm at Ian Crossing. You'll find me all on the internet. Shout out to those pigs
Starting point is 02:00:22 that got away from that robot. and all the future animals that will also be running from the robots. I like how the robot was winded. Had to stop. One day they will eventually run out of electricity, so keep running. They're coming after us.
Starting point is 02:00:35 The hogs are just in the way. Carter Banks. Hey, man. Hey, man. Kevin, thanks for coming. Dude, this has been a really cool, the robot thing. I just want to wish my dad a happy birthday.
Starting point is 02:00:49 It's his birthday today. And that's all. Tate. Shout out. to Carter's dad as well. Happy birthday. X and Instagram at Real Tape Brown. Give me a follow. I don't know if you guys noticed. There's a Timcast, Tate Brown channel that is now active and uploading.
Starting point is 02:01:02 I'll have the interview from today going up some point Friday or Saturday, and it's going to be a beautiful thing. So don't look out for that. See you guys. We'll see you all over at rumble.com slash Timcast, IRL, in about 20 seconds. Thanks for hanging out.

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