Timcast IRL - Democrats Vote To PROTECT Illegal Immigrant Predators, GOP Bill PASSES w/Ned Ryun

Episode Date: January 17, 2025

Tim, Phil, & Libby are joined by Ned Ryun to discuss Democrats voting to protect illegal immigrant predators, a Democrat senator getting roasted for suggesting America is in a clean energy race with China, Elon Musk accused of censoring Asmongold, and the FBI shutting down its DEI office ahead of Trump's Inauguration. Hosts: Tim @Timcast (everywhere) Phil @PhilThatRemains (X) Libby @libbyemmons (X) Serge @SergeDotCom (everywhere) Guest: Ned Ryun @nedryun (X) Ned Ryun is a conservative political strategist, author, and CEO of American Majority, an organization focused on training grassroots activists and candidates. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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reason, and it's not the first time they tried doing this, but we have questions. Ladies and gentlemen, we're a couple days away from President Donald J. Trump. And it seems like the Democratic Party is not learning a thing. So I guess I'm feeling good. I mean, it feels really bad to see that they are insane. You'd kind of wish they would moderate and figure out why Trump won in the first place. But I guess it's a good sign considering considering we have a midterm to worry about in a couple of years, and we don't want Republicans to lose that one. So we got this news, and then it's a weird story, but of course it's making the rounds. Elon Musk versus Asmongold. I know many of you are probably like, what? Curtains for Zushka? No, no, no, that's a meme. But Elon Musk was accused of censoring a prominent video game streamer who accused him of cheating. I don't know if that's true meme but elon musk was accused of censoring a prominent video game streamer who accused him of cheating i don't know that's true but the story is pretty wild

and the only reason it's actually news is because recently elon musk was accused of censoring people over h1b so there is this narrative emerging that the corporate press has picked up and everyone's asking questions about so we'll talk about that plus uh fbi shutting down their dei office pretty crazy and then uh it's a slow news day, so we'll talk about aliens, I guess. Before we get started, my friends, head over to Casperoo.com, pick up some Casperoo coffee. I should stop promoting Ian's Graphene Dream.

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where you as members get to actually call in and talk to us and the guests. A lot of fun. So smash that like button, share the show with everyone you know. Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Ned Ryan. Great to be with you. Yeah, no, I'm'm excited it's been a couple years a couple years and uh even though it seems like a slow news cycle we will make sure that it's an exciting episode as we discuss many things indeed we have some funny clips we do funny clips and also i'd i'd love to talk some of these nomination confirmation hearings i mean it really i mean as you you you said Democrats appear to be lost,

but their A game, if they're bringing their A game, it is a pretty sad A game. And I think it is their A game. And it's pretty pathetic. What do you do? What do you do for those who don't know you? So founder and CEO of American Majority.

We identify and train people to run for state and local office. So anything from school board to state senate, anything between city council, county commission. Also run a software, database software program, Voto Gravity. Cool. American Majority Action.

We did a significant absentee ballot generation and chase project this last year in Arizona, Nevada, Wisconsin, North Carolina. Significant. And I do some writing, new book out, American Leviathan, Birth of the Administrative State and Progressive Authoritarianism, and just really the history of where this administrative state started. And I think one of the biggest fights that's going to take place over the next four years is what Donald Trump does with this deeply unconstitutional, un-American, authoritarian administrative state.

Right on. Well, it should be fun. Thanks for hanging out. Libby is here. I'm Libby Emmons. You guys were making fun of me because my kid makes fun of me for my intro. You should have said it a different way now. Yeah. I'm Libby Emmons from the Postmillennial, and I'm glad to be here, guys. Hello, everybody. My name is phil labonte i'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that remains i'm an anti-communist and counter-revolutionary let's go here's a story from the post-millennial breaking 145 democrats vote against bill to deport illegal immigrants convicted of sex crimes a bipartisan group of lawmakers voted for the bill

with the legislation passing with 274 votes no no, no, no. This must be a mistake. You know how they do these bills where it'll be called like the Save the Puppies bill, and then it actually just bans ice cream, and you're like, what? This bill must be about something else, right? Certainly, Democrats wouldn't vote to protect illegal immigrants who are convicted of sex crimes. No? Maybe they might. Maybe they might.

They clearly don't think you should deport illegal pedophiles. This is the insanity of what's taking place. I mean, did you see Gavin Newsom recently and the Democrats in California have decided to put together this $50 million slush fund in which $25 million of it is going to be spent specifically to fight any

deportation efforts? Yeah, it's to protect illegal immigrants. Right. They have definitely decided by Tom Holman. Yeah, they have illegal immigrants. Right. They have definitely decided by Tom Holman. Yeah, they have definitely decided we are going to side with the 10 million plus illegals of which not only do we have illegal immigrants convicted of sex crimes, illegal pedophiles, I think there's 660,000 illegal immigrants that have criminal records that have come in in the last four years. And Democrats are siding with them over the American people. You have to question where their loyalties lie. And I don't think it's with the American people. I think that's exactly right. You had Tom Holman very

clearly saying that the way he was going to begin conducting deportations was to go to the jails and say, OK, if you have somebody who's been arrested for crimes, those are the people we're going to deport. But the Democrats really have said repeatedly that they're not in favor of any deportations. You even had Mayorkas saying that very clearly throughout all four years. Why? Because they say. They're demons. Well, they hate America. They're demons. They hate America. But they also have these logical reasons, which they say is that

it would be too expensive to round people up and deport them. They're opposed to this whole family separation thing, which, as we know, Tom Homan had quite the answer for, which was keep them all together. No, this is if you think about, first of all, it's because they hate America. They hate our way of life. If you think about it, what they are doing in destroying our border and our southern border and immigration system, if you can even call it an immigration system because it's such a mess. They don't want to have border security. They don't want to have sovereignty. They want to attack the very idea of what it means to be a citizen because they hate the American way of life. I mean, we're very unique people with a very unique constitution. We have very unique traditions. And the American, un-American left,

deeply hates and despises what most of the American people have believed in and stood for for generations. I really think that that point can't be driven home hard enough. And I think that more people need to articulate that. The left just ideologically does not like America. They don't like representative government. They want direct democracy. They don't like the limitations on the government that the Constitution places. They want a government that can do whatever they want because they believe that the government can, if you just give the government power, the government can do whatever.

They believe that the government could make the moon into green cheese if you just give them the power. But they don't think that the government can conduct deportations. No, no, they do. But they won't admit that. Well, you had Mayorkas. He said, what exactly does it mean to remove an individual? What resources?

What process? What will the funding be? What if they claim that they're afraid under current laws? What process will they be given? What judge grants their claim it's it's all stuff it's all about it's all in none of it is real that is all just about power they don't want the conservatives to do that so they will come up with whatever excuse they possibly can to dissuade consumer conservatives to try to convince people that they can't do it it has nothing to do what they actually with what they actually actually believe because they don't actually believe any of that. And it can be done. If

there's a will, there's a way. Of course. And I think that Donald Trump is going to unleash Tom Holman and Stephen Miller to actually go after and begin doing this. And the initial starting point is, are the illegals with criminal records? That's the starting point. And then he just keeps on going and doesn't stop until he's got at least the 10 or 12 million, whatever it is that came in under Biden. Because not only doing this because they hate our way of life, our constitution, our traditions, all of these things, they were doing it to import new voters. Let's be honest. They were trying to bring in a completely new voter base and any Republican. And we all know that not all Republicans are created equally. They come in all shapes, form sizes, chamber of commerce types, all the way to America first types. Every last Republican for the sake of self-preservation should absolutely endorse the idea of deporting every last illegal that has come in over the last four years. Absolutely.

If they want to actually have a two-party system instead of being a single-party state, because that's exactly what Democrats are trying to do. And the American people want that there was there have been multiple polls one of the main issues 70 of the american people are comfortable with deportations not just okay we're going to round up the criminals go to the go to jails and go to prisons and get the criminals that are that are not american citizens but they're comfortable with getting everyone that's not an american citizen and getting them out of the country. And I think that that is perfectly reasonable for a population to have that position. There is nothing extreme about a population that says the people that are here must be

citizens. And if you came into the country illegally, then we are we are empowered or the government should be empowered to remove physically remove you. Well, as I think it was Obama so famously said, elections have consequences. Absolutely. Donald Trump won. Donald Trump was not shy about what he intended to do in regards to illegal immigration and deportation. And guess what? First Republican to win the popular vote in 20 years. First Republican to win 311 electoral votes since 1988, I believe. And obviously the first non-successive president since Grover Cleveland. This was a historical election in which it was very bright, clear lines about what each one of the candidates was offering. People saw what it was people remember

what they chose him definitively exactly they remember what it was like when donald trump was president from 2017 to 2020 they remember what it was like from when joe biden got into office until today and they specifically made the decision we don't like what the democrats have been doing can i say one thing this is the thing that has troubled me greatly about Republicans. I've been in D.C. for about 25 years now. Republicans don't know what to do with political power. Most of them. The American people give them political power for a reason.

Donald Trump is different from every other Republican because he understands I have been given political power. I was voted in on very clear issues. I fully intend to use the political power. And I think he's going to have people around him in departments and agencies, once they're confirmed, that will have the exact same approach. We were elected for a reason to actually affect change and use political power as it should be used. I agree with you. I think that's the proper, not only is the proper diagnosis, I think that it's the proper course of action by, by Donald Trump and the people that he appoints.

But just for context, I want to point out that like the small government people are the Republican. So even, even if you're a, unless you're like, well, I mean,

even if you're, if you're a small government person, you don't are MAGA. Well, yeah. And, and historically Republicans have been afraid to use, not willing to, unwilling to use government power because the argument has been, if we do it, then the left will

do it. Well, guess what? The left is going to do it either way. So you have to. I used to be very, very libertarian minded. And there's still some parts of my political opinions that are libertarian, but I've moved significantly away from libertarianism because of the fact that if you, just because one side says we don't want to use this power, there is no Mordor to throw the ring into. There's nowhere to get rid of the power. This is why I've been saying

for the past couple of weeks, the slippery slope goes in every single direction. If you do not use the power, they will use it in horrifying ways. When you use the power, they're going to tell you, but the slippery slope. What if they start? No, no, no, no, no. We have to we have to ban bad things that we don't like, like illegal immigrants who commit sex crimes. Got to go. Right. One of my one of my great frustrations.

The left views politics, the religious zealots, right, is the religion in many ways. They are religious zealots. We're going to take that political power. And by God, we are going to fundamentally change this country our problem has been for too long until donald trump showed up too many careerists in republican circles we're like oh we're going to go to dc we're going to have a really cool career we'll trim around the edges we're not going to really use power to fundamentally change anything and then once we've had a cool career we'll move on well it's about time we had our own religious zealots or our own people that actually knew what to do with political

power to fundamentally change and restore the republic. The right has religious devotees and I would say historically if you go back a long enough period of time, people were very fervent about maintaining those values but the reason we are where we are

today is because Christians turned the other cheek over and over and over again. I think that's right. Not this Christian. Not you. No. There's a big streak of Old Testament in me. It was tolerance.

This is why I say it. Once again, the slippery slope goes in every direction. When Christians very much said, we're going to leave people to do their thing and mind their business, and if they choose, they can find faith. If not, whatever. You end up with these books in schools. Right. Illegal immigrants being protected or convicted of sex crimes being protected by Democrats because you give them an inch to take a mile. And that's not just it's not. Yeah. No, I mean, but it's not just the illegal immigrants who are being protected. You have, you know, groomy teachers who are being protected. You have, you know, sex offenders all over the place being protected. But one thing that you said, Ned,

that I think is really interesting is you said that, you know, to the left, politics is religion. And to them, voting Democrat is like taking the Eucharist. You know what I mean? Like, it is a moral thing, and they can't understand a world in which they have to go against that morality. And I think one thing that we're seeing now with these L.A. fires is I think a lot of people who are very left are looking at this saying, maybe this wasn't the way to go. Maybe this isn't the right— They're religious people. They have their own set of religious beliefs.

They're religious about their politics. No, but they're—I'm sorry. Every human being in this world has a set of presuppositions and biases by which they view the world around them. They have a set of creeds and beliefs by which they then judge something to be right or wrong. Everyone worships, sure. believe in basic biology, but they have a certain faith system and their faith is built in the state. They think the state is salvation. It's something that you mentioned earlier where, I mean, from the early beginning of the progressive movement, they felt that all power, the state should subsume everything,

individuals, corporations, because the state was salvation and would bring salvation to the rest of society. That was even the advertising that they had for Obamacare. The advertising for Obamacare was one lady partnered with the government for her whole life. was essentially targeted by his DOJ, FBI, intel community to take out the duly elected president of the United States. It was a clash of very different worldviews and governing philosophies, constitutional republic versus administrative state. But people were wondering, why do these unelected bureaucrats think they should decide? Well, that was the point from day one. And it was Donald Trump showing up and saying, I reject the premise that this is legitimate, that has led to all this conflict.

If you look back over the last eight or nine years, all of the conflict, Russian collusion, hoax, Ukrainian quid pro quo hoax, everything, political lawfare comes down to one thing. Who decides? And Donald Trump showed up and said, I'm the duly elected president of the United States. I'm the one who decides. And the unelected bureaucrats, the administrative state said, no, we don't think so. We think we decide. And actually, technically, they were right because of everything that's been going on the last 100 years. Let's jump to the story from the Daily Wire. It just gets worse. Connecticut parole board pardons illegal migrant pedophile

who said he might re-offend. Indeed. Take a look at this. A convicted pedophile and illegal migrant was released from a Connecticut prison last month after a sympathetic parole board mulled how to best help him avoid deportation. The Trump administration, the parole board decided, would not be able to get its act together fast enough to deport the illegal immigrant pedophile before his 30-day immigration detainer runs out. They can't elect a Speaker of the House, one board member scoffed.

Gurino Maglore, 52 pronounce it 52, was serving five years in prison for felony second degree sexual assault against a child between 13 and 15 years old. He was convicted of sexually assaulting the child on March 11th, 2020,

just as pandemic lockdowns were starting. During his parole hearing, he said he cannot promise he will not offend again. He scored Maglore scored as a moderate to high risk on an evaluation used to predict whether a male sexual offender will re-offend.

Despite those red flags, the parole board released him that day from Carl Robinson Correctional Institution north of Hartford. And once again, it's because they wanted to help him avoid getting deported. That's insane to me. This guy should just get a, you know, we bring him to a plane. We put him on a plane and say, we're going to send you back to where you came from. The other thing, too, is like he's probably shocked that he's not getting deported because obviously he should get deported. And he's probably like these, not cursing, these fools, you know, are just letting me back on the street so I can molest more children. How exciting for me.

What idiots. What morons. Not only is it idiotic, asinine, it's deeply immoral. Yes. I mean, this is the one thing going back to what we were talking about earlier. Nationalism is the moral imperative of every leader inside of a nation. And by that, I mean, prioritizing the nation's interests and the people of that nation's interest. In what world does that prioritize the interests of our nation's people? It does not. And I think the immorality that we have seen on display, not only from Democrats and this kind of absurd, crazy,

insane behavior, it's Republicans as well who have not prioritized the American people. Well, this is, I mean, I look at it largely as you go back a few generations and the further you go back, the more Christian this nation was. The previous generations were turning the other cheek, tolerating behavior like this. And this is my point about the slippery slope. It exists. It exists no matter what you do. So right now, with the Supreme Court makeup that we have and the policies that are advancing, it seems to me like Obergefell will get overturned. Would you agree on that one? I think so. I think there's some cases that I hope the Trump administration begins pushing immediately. But they don't even need to.

A liberal group will file a lawsuit on behalf of someone. Right. It'll get challenged to a federal court, the Supreme Court. It will have to do with the president of Obergefell. And the Supreme Court will say, we hereby overturn Obergefell. Gay marriage is no longer recognized in states unless they pass it in their legislators. I wouldn't mind some of these cases being accelerated by the Trump administration actually generating some of these challenges ASAP. I think I would like to see Bostock overturned before Obergefell.

You know what I want to see happen? All of it? Well, no. No, day one. I'm serious. I think this is going to be one of the most important things that takes place in the four years that we have Trump. And hopefully we have power for 12 years. But we'll settle for four for right now.

Trump needs to fire hundreds of thousands of federal employees. And begin the process. No, begin the process by which he goes through the courts. He'll do that. The federal employee unions, which is insane. There shouldn't even be unions for government. FDR agreed with us, by the courts. He'll do that. The federal employee unions, which is insane. Yeah. We even have. There shouldn't even be unions for government. FDR agreed with us, by the way.

He thought that was absurd. That's absolutely insane. They'll sue. There'll be a stay. 18 months, two years, gets to the Supreme Court. Gets to the Supreme Court. And the fundamental question is this. Does the head of the Article II executive branch, the duly elected president of the

United States, get to hire and fire whoever he wants to inside the article two branch where most of the administrative state resides. And I think the Supreme Court will say, yes, we agree with you. And then Donald Trump can become the demolition man for the administrative state. But he's got to move on it quick because I think 18 months to two years might be a short route. It might be longer. What's your opinion on getting the bureaucracies out of D.C.?

I love it. Get a break up. I want to send agriculture to North Dakota. You mean like how Facebook moved content moderation to Texas? We know that when corporations move their headquarters simply by

moving them about 20% of the workforce, it's downsized simply by moving the headquarters. So yeah, move agriculture to North Dakota, move another department to Kansas and break apart the Leviathan that's residing in DC right now. And by doing that,

I think you reduce it by 20% right out of the gate. Astounding. And I think Trump might actually go for that approach. I think there is kind of all of the above approach in regards to we have to deal with this bureaucracy. I think it is the thing. I think a lot of the issues that we're facing today in D.C., but the country writ large, have to deal with this massive bureaucracy that thinks it's going to dictate to the American people. This is how you're going to live your life. Well, yeah, and they've been doing that for a while. And they haven't just been doing it in the U.S., but under the Biden administration and Obama,

they were doing that globally. They were tying all kinds of funds to like, OK, now you have, now Hungary, you have a whole LGBTQ thing. And when the people in those nations push back, you know, the administrations get angry and, you know, start working with the subversive groups in that country to push their agenda forward. I remember I was at a U.N. thing on the status of women a couple years ago. And there were these women from Rwanda saying, why do you guys keep pushing abortion on us? We just had a genocide. We want our babies. Isn't it interesting how America, the position that we have in the world right now, we can either be a great force for good or evil, or we can be a force for evil. And we've been evil just too much.

We have. And we've gone in and we have started to deconstruct the moral and cultural fabric of these various countries because of the woke mind virus that has taken over in these bureaucracies in which they decide we're going to dictate not only to this country, but to others around the world with obviously strings attached to funding and to grants that you're going to actually implement these woke agendas because we say so. I think a lot of it has to do with the complete demolition of religion. Yes. You know, because if you look at the way that religion was practiced,

the way that orthodox—this is something I was just reading about. Orthodox Christianity. The way that, like, orthodox religion is practiced, you know, orthodox religion, orthodox Judaism, you make—everything in your life has to do with how you practice your faith, and so everything, every basic thing is imbued with meaning. And so you go out into the world with confidence that you are practicing a life that is full of meaning and hope and faith just because of those small gestures. And when we take that away, we're all just out here struggling, trying to find meaning in something or other.

And nobody can find it anywhere. And so they do this nonsense. I think it was Sartre, a French philosopher, who said a finite point without an infinite point of reference is pointless and absurd. And when you cut the cord to the transcendent, you do eventually devolve into this theater of the absurd in which you just make up things as you go. There aren't any absolutes. I think at some point, it was Francis Schaeffer, who I love, who once said, if there are no absolutes, society becomes absolute.

And whatever society says at that moment is what is. Well, and his play, Sartre's play, No Exit, exemplified that. So I think we do have to come. I mean, this country was founded on a common set of ideals and principles and values. And it'd be nice if we got back to that where we get a basic agreement on fundamental issues in which we say these are right these are wrong well this is what the country was founded on isn't isn't the if the government exists to facilitate a happy successful and fulfilled population like why doesn't it focus on on normal families why is the i mean i obviously i personally i mean i have my own my own intuition

as to why but like the idea of of centering the marginalized marginalized lifestyles you should be focusing on normal families especially when everyone knows that the the the birth rate in in the u.s is on the decline and has been. Demographic winter. We should be doing everything that we can to encourage the population to have more kids and we should have policies that endorse that. Lefties minds are going to melt when I say this, but we should look

at Hungary's approach to what they're doing with policy. Again, this goes back to when you have political power, why don't you use it to actually implement things that are beneficial to society and actually cause fundamental change? I think Hungary spends about 5% of its GDP on actually promoting policies that strengthen the family, encourage growth of the family, and you're seeing it play out in their society. I'm like, we should do the same. We should spend a certain percentage of our GDP towards actually strengthening and promoting the traditional family and actually strengthening spend on Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, we can spend some money on young people trying to encourage them to have children and raise them in a way that makes them want to have children of their own.

Libby, there was something you said about the idea of Orthodox religion being in our lives. And one of the things that, of course, Christianity, I think Judaism and some of the other Orthodox religions teach is the idea of self-governance. And I remind people all of the time, we are a self-governing Republican people think, well, that's great. The American people are governing themselves. Well, self-government is based off individual self-governance and the idea of actually having a faith and religious influence on the idea that, yeah, at some point, someday, you're going to have to give an accounting to a transcendent creator. There are eternal rewards and punishments for that behavior. self-governance, then leads to better self-government in which people are governing themselves. And the more people govern themselves internally, the less government you're going to need to actually bring order. But we don't do that now. I mean, that's like, you know, we were

talking about a little bit like that before the show. We've eradicated the notion of shame. We've elevated our most base desires to our entitled right, right? Like that's what we believe. Celebrated it. Yeah, we've celebrated it. We you know, one thing that we've we've inherited from reality TV shows is this idea that if you don't like someone, you should be a total horror to them all the time. You should just be mean to them, to their face. And that's ridiculous, too. You know, there's this idea that you're supposed to show up at Thanksgiving and be nasty to your family because you disagree with them about federal politics. I mean, come on.

Like, is there anything more stupid than arguing with your family over federal politics? I feel blessed. It's ridiculous. Because I've got liberal family members and they aren't insane and it doesn't come up. We just eat turkey. Oh, I think that's good. That's good. You know what it is, though?

I do think it's the older generation, the grandparents who are just like, stop. We're not doing this. Shut up. We're not doing this. And I have concerns for when they pass on what's going to end up happening. Because I do think a lot of the political bifurcation in this country, it's massive in the younger generations. It's moderate in the millennial, middle-aged generations, Gen Xers. And then it is almost not existent in the oldest generations so if you look back at uh

you know when boomers were in their 30s or whatever which is like what the 90s there the differences between the democrat and republican party were slim you look today it's massive and despite the fact that the parties are still largely run by the same people you do have younger people coming in and the younger people tend to be the firebrands. Yep. Totally on opposite ends. Not getting along. So when the older generation moves on, I don't know what happens to this country. I mean, maybe right now with the concern I have is Donald Trump only won because of one

generation. And what generation that was? Gen X. That's right. That's right. We saved the world, baby. Sure did. And so Gen X is going to hold on with a death grip.

That's right. And double down for the next 10 or 20 years because boomers will be leaving us. I got my keys around my neck. Gen Z and Gen Alpha, man, we need to make sure that these kids get access to good, clean information. And as an aside, I'm looking forward to seeing TikTok go belly up. I don't think it's happening. It's a drive-by shooting on TikTok. I don't think it is.

The Biden administration said they were going to leave it to the Trump administration to enforce the ban. TikTok is choosing to shut down. Yeah. They're shutting down anyway? They're choosing to shut down. There's no bill forcing them to shut down. What do you think the Supreme Court's going to say? I think they're going to—

Decision day was Wednesday. Yeah, but they didn't decide. Right, which means that nothing's going to happen until TikTok makes a decision to shut down. Interesting. They could theoretically do a preliminary injunction, but it sounds like—. Right, which means that nothing's going to happen until TikTok makes a decision to shut down. Interesting. They could theoretically do a preliminary injunction, but it sounds like— I don't think the Supreme Court believes that. It sounds like the Supreme Court was saying, why would we— Yeah, they don't think the algorithm is speech.

They don't think— No, no, China doesn't have free speech. That's it, period. Yeah, but they didn't buy it. The Supreme Court did not buy TikTok's argument. Right, but the Supreme Court, many of the members actually said, yet no, China has no constitutional protected speech. That's it, it doesn't matter.

The algorithm is meaningless. We don't give foreign countries free speech rights from foreign countries into the United States. So anyway, I digress. I was not trying to reignite the whole TikTok thing. No. I'm happy to talk about it. I think it's fascinating.

I listen to all those arguments. Well, we can, but I want to talk about this. We got this clip from Real Clear Politics. Ladies and gentlemen, you want to watch, let me say this. Elizabeth Warren was challenging Pete Hegseth. Wow, are we in the weeds on politics on this one. And she was basically like,

you think generals, you know, shouldn't serve for 10 years and you won't make that pledge today? And Hegseth is just like, I'm not a general. Oh, and make money. They can't. Right. They can't. Ten years.

Be lobbyists. Be lobbyists. Ten year moratorium. And she asked him if he would make the pledge and he's like, I'm not a general. And then everyone laughs at her. I was in the room. It was hilarious. Yes.

Now that is an example I give you. Another one. This one is Senator Ron Wyden, who makes a ridiculous claim and instantly gets roasted in a rather hilarious way. Speaking of China. The more you reduce carbon, the bigger your tax savings. Now there is a big effort in the Trump administration to reverse it. I think that's going to be bad for the economy, but it is going to be damn good for China

because we are in an arms race on clean energy with them. Are you going to be on the side of people who want to unravel this? Senator Wyden, just so we can frame this for everyone in the room, China will build a hundred new coal plants this year.

There is not a clean energy race. There is an energy race. China will build 10 nuclear plants this year. That is not solar. I am in favor of more nuclear plants. And I would note that the IRA, as scored by the CBO, is wildly out of control in terms of spending on the upside. Well, it's just, it's so great. It was great.

China is not trying to do clean anything. No. But they are trying. The irony here is, well, first of all, I'm happy that he said nuclear. He's all for it. I think that is our future. If you really want clean energy, that's what we've got to start, our approach has to be. The interesting thing about this whole we're in a clean energy race.

China, China has no interest. Clearly, they're building 100 coal plants, all this stuff. What they're trying to do is get everybody else to go on to the solar and the EVs. Because guess what? They're the ones that are actually producing a lot of those things. That's right. And then all of a sudden you become dependent on China. You guys see this picture? This story was posted in 2014. This is virtual sunlight in Tiananmen Square.

Instead of seeing a sunrise, they put up a gigantic screen to show a sunrise because the smog is so bad. China's not doing clean anything. They don't care. Their attitude is largely, quote, it's our turn now. They say you industrialized, now we industrialize and you can't stop us. I said this a couple times on the show. It's like, if people in the United States are actually that

concerned with the green revolution or whatever, then you don't want to focus your attention here. You want to focus your attention on India and China because both of those countries have 1.5 billion people and they are not fully industrialized like the United States is. Well, the other thing too, like when the U.S. says we're going to pull back on our climate,

we're going to pull back on our emissions and all of that stuff, it's just another way to say we are going to subsume ourselves to minorities globally, except they're not minorities. We're the minority globally. I think we need to start looking at energy policy as a national security. I think that's a great idea. Issue? No, we have to, because if you actually of your own, you capitulate and say, we're going to go down the EV path, we're going to do solar, all of these things. Again, I think it's 90 plus percent China's actually producing in the world market of EV batteries and I think solar panels as well. You are going to basically subject yourself because they will be providing your energy

if we go down that path, God forbid. And then all of a sudden, energy policy is national security and there is no national security. Like at some point, we have to get these people who are pushing us to go down this path and say you are pushing us down a path of being subservient to china not the distant future sadly in a relatively short term if we're not careful that's an argument that i heard uh manco rubio making today that if we don't do something then i maybe i he probably wasn't making it today probably made it on monday or whatever but if we don't do something about our

posture towards China, we're going to be depending on China for things that we desperately need, like all our medications, all kinds of things. Is it penicillin? I'm trying to remember what it is, but like 90% of our penicillin for the army, for the military, is produced by China. Anything that we need for our national security.

There's just so much stuff that is actually a national security issue. And this is why I think Tic Tacs got to go. Got to go. I don't disagree. Get rid of it. No, I mean, divest from China. It's really simple. Look, there's a lot of people out there who say Trump is altruistic and he is motivated

purely by the goodness of his own heart. And I'm like, well, hold on there a minute. Donald Trump certainly is motivated, but I think he's a good guy. I've seen him be nice to people. He's been nice to me. He's very. I think he's a good guy. I've seen him be nice to people. He's been nice to me. He's very— I think he's a nice guy. Genuinely warm person.

He is. But he's a human being who wants to accomplish things and feel good about the things he accomplishes. He's a guy who puts his name in giant gold letters on tops of buildings. You've seen his signature. It's a beautiful, beautiful signature. Yes. So TikTok realizes censorship is coming their way. Conservatives are upset about it.

So what do they do? They put a flip on it, help Trump out a little bit, make Trump happy. And now Trump's backed off banning TikTok. We I don't care who they're helping. I do not like the idea of China having influence over our young younger generation. I agree. I don't like it. The only reason Trump won is because of Gen X,

not because of Gen Z. And now Trump's going, you know, I think maybe, well, he invites the CEO of TikTok to his inauguration, says maybe we should hold off on banning it. And I'm like, here we go. Trump's going to get out of office.

TikTok's going to go tenfold in the other direction. And we are all going to be worse off because of it. I'm hoping, I think fundamentally at his very core, Donald Trump is an old school, I love America, I love everything that has made this country great,

I want to do everything that will return us to greatness. I think at some point he's going to wake up and realize, I think it's Kellyanne, to be honest. I think Kellyanne Conway has been pushing some of this. Really? Pro-TikTok? Yeah. Why do you think that is?

I think she's probably getting a consulting fee from them, from what I've seen. I think she's actually a lobbyist for them. She's also taking money from Ukrainians and all that stuff. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, there's a problem with some folks in which they're taking money from interesting sources. That all to say, I think Trump's instincts are going to kick back in when he realizes, I have to be consistent across the board on the issue of China.

And I think TikTok is part of that being consistent, right? No, we're not doing this. At some point, it's going to kick back in. The concern that I have is TikTok doesn't allow, or Chenda doesn't allow TikTok in their own country. That's a red flag right there. TikTok has Douyin. They don't allow TikTok in their own country.

Why? I think it's a weapon against young people. Even if 30% of the content is woke, they know they're creating an economic drag to the tune of 30% of the young people who follow that crackpot ideology, even if it's 5%. Right. Now, don't get me wrong. In the United States, X, Facebook, YouTube, they have the same garbage ideology, but Americans are allowed to have that ideology.

What we don't want is our foreign adversaries fanning the flames of an illogical, broken mental state that is wokeness, so that our young people grow up, and we end up with a story about a councilwoman in Massachusetts who's taking a month of leave because she's been misgendered. They've been misgendered. Wokeness. I'm sorry. Wokeness is weakness. And I agree with this.

Pushed this to an extreme degree until Trump said, let's ban it. And then they kissed Trump's ass, and until Trump said, let's ban it. And then they kissed Trump's ass. And now Trump says, let's keep it. No, I think we should pull the thread a little bit on the whole wokeness is weakness. I mean, wokeness on energy policy is weakness. Again, going back to national security. But this whole idea of weakening, it's the mind virus in our future, our younger generations and weakening them in the face of, I mean, I think we're in for some pretty challenging times on the international

stage. Trump had an executive order in his first term to ban TikTok. Yes. Yes. And then it got blocked. Yeah, it got blocked. And it was only after October 7th when TikTok, for some. So basically what happens is there was a very small footprint of Israel-Palestine content. And then seemingly over the course of a single weekend,

it jumped to be two to one pro-Palestine. All of a sudden you get this anti-Israel content and Democrats and Republicans are like, oh, you know, because they love Israel. Now, I'm not here to make an argument Israel-Palestine. The point is, I don't care who you are. China should not be implementing algorithms that manipulate the worldview of the American people. I don't like the corporations do it. The U.S. government shouldn't do it. Yet here we are. One quick thing.

Super Chatter Ian said, anyone else notice Tim mirroring Trump? I'm literally impersonating him. That was the joke. I'm doing the Trump hands when I'm talking about Donald Trump. Kellyanne Conway advocating for TikTok on Capitol Hill, March of 2024 from Politico. Uh-huh. And what was her daughter doing? Probably doing like anti-Israel stuff on TikTok.

No, she was doing a lot of the social media stuff and was heavily criticized for what she was posting. I'm telling you, there are some people that are taking some very weird consulting contracts that need to be watched. There's a lot of pro-China stuff that's ended up in my X-Feed in the past couple days, ever since the whole Redbook came out. What's the deal with this Redbook thing? Have you guys signed up for it? No. It's just another app. Just like a Chinese data capture. Look, I will

keep it simple, and with all due respect to Bobby Sauce, who was on the show yesterday, we ended up doing this 30 minute long debate over the issue of TikTok, of which he was not as informed as I. I mean that with no disrespect, he didn't read the bill in a long time. He wasn't familiar with the provisions

that were in it, and he wasn't familiar with how TikTok worked or what the bands were, the timeline on these bands. And so my point was just literally, I believe that he exemplifies exactly why we have to shut China's interest in TikTok down immediately. The bill is correct. All they have to do is divest. The app can stay, whatever. But you end up with a guy defending Chinese interests. The debate was not TikTok should be banned outright. Goodbye. The debate was foreign adversaries should be at the demand of Congress with congressional power forced to divest from American media. That's what the bill does. He argued against that.

And the question that Raymond had and I had over and over again is, why should China be allowed to own a mass media program in the United States? Propaganda. The answer is there's zero reasons. Yeah, there's zero reasons. So when you can convince an individual to go on a massive news show and advocate wholeheartedly for Chinese interests, you can see the effect of Chinese propaganda in real time. It's literally that. Vehicle for injecting their propaganda or their – I mean, the thing that's a little scary, they play the 100-year game. Yeah.

So, of course, they're going to take this slow and if it's 30%, like you were saying, they're going to start weakening the woke mind virus, pumping it into the young generations. You know, maybe it causes effects

10 years, 20, 30 years from now, but they're playing the 100-year game. We're allowing them to have a vehicle for propaganda to inject it into young American minds.

And I think, I know a lot of Republicans, staffers, and members on the Senate side are definitely for like, we need to actually address TikTok in a forceful way. So I'm kind of curious to see how this plays out in the first six months of the Trump administration. Well, the argument is that Donald Trump

will use an executive order to suspend enforcement action against TikTok, which technically could work. I don't think it will. I could be wrong. The issue is that there are fines attached to this bill. Apple and Google would be on the hook. As private companies, you're going to be hard pressed as an insurer or as a business owner to say, I'm willing to open myself up to massive liability under the promise that Trump decided he won't enforce a law that we're breaking. Four years after Trump leaves, those fines will be on the books and Apple and Google will be on

the hook for those fines should another president decide to enforce the action at that point. So when this law kicks in, the Supreme Court has not stopped it. It doesn't matter if Trump says, I won't enforce against it. If Apple and Google say, yeah, well, we don't want to be involved in whatever that is. Not to mention these other big tech platforms might say, hey, we don't want to be involved in whatever that is. Not to mention, these other big tech platforms might say, hey, we don't want China competing with us in this space. We want to control the data, so we will happily take it down and use you as the excuse as to why we had to. Yep.

I mean, I think that it's more than just the influence. I think that it's probably an espionage tool, more than just being able to. They backdoor everything. Yeah. More than just being able to influence what people think and kind of fomenting anti-American sentiment, which it absolutely does. You can hear people complaining about the United States and stuff like that all the time. Was it on TikTok where all of a sudden Osama bin Laden? Yeah.

Was that the whole push going on TikTok that somehow Osama bin Laden wasn't a bad guy, actually? Yeah. This is insane to me. Yeah, that was insane. The argument— He went back to his Guardian letter. The bin Laden letter was circulating and going viral, and this is the point. Young people don't know the context.

Many of the people that were posting this weren't alive on 9-11, and I mean it with no disrespect to these young people. So they don't know the history. They didn't experience it. China, through TikTok, begins then promoting this in their algorithm. So here's what happens. Young people don't read the letter, do the research, come back and say, here's my historical assessment on the Bin Laden letter. They say, hey, whoa, this guy got a million views for praising Osama bin Laden. Right. So then they make a video where they do the exact same thing, repeat the exact same lines. And then what happens? Some 17 year old kid in high school opens the app and he sees a wall of posts. Bin Laden was right over and over and over again with millions upon millions of views. We need to shut this down. The idea that Trump would defend this. Trump needs someone to talk to him for real. He's

got Elon Musk right there. Elon should be like, yeah, dude, look, Elon goes a different route on this one. OK, we don't want China doing that stuff. I think it's weird, too, that he just reversed it. And it was just because after the election, because he used TikTok during the election. A lot of people use TikTok. A lot of conservative influencers use TikTok during the election. And now they're not talking about how TikTok should be shut down. Meanwhile, in the first term, I remember that that executive order, it was what, like, was it like September 2020, maybe was when the executive order was to ban TikTok. And I was like, this seems like a really good idea. Everyone was super in favor of it.

And now it's just like a complete about face. Well, let's jump to this story from Kotaku. Ooh, one of our favorites. That's right. Elon Musk and Asmongold are fighting after the streamer accused him of being a fake gamer. Fans have called BS on Musk's path of exile to obsession. Okay, let's slow down there, friends. Many of you watching this show may be like, you guys know the meme where the guy said,

I'm 50 and all celebrity news looks like this? Hurtin's for Zushka? Batboy flips a grunt or whatever? This is what a lot of people are. I saw a lot of people post to this and they were like, they posted the meme next to it. And I'm like, it's very good. Let me give you the English version. Elon Musk is accused of censoring people, censoring an individual who criticized his video gameplay and accused him of cheating. Thus, the owner of one of the largest social media platforms has been accused of censoring conservatives over H1B and now an individual who impugned his honor. I don't know that it's actually exactly true or what happened, but Asmongold, a prominent YouTuber with millions of subscribers, saw his verified checkmark disappear while he was sleeping, I guess, and then come back later.

To be fair, I do find that kind of hilarious that Elon Musk was just like sitting there at Twitter HQ and he's like, delete your verified. Then a few hours later, he was like, ah, crap, and put it back. It's actually kind of hilarious that Elon Musk was just like sitting there at Twitter HQ and he's like delete you're verified then a few hours later was like ah crap and put it back it's actually kind of funny it is funny and it's transparent the the accusation I suppose is or I should say the concern is that Elon Musk is abusing his power as the owner of this platform and going after his critics I think it was funny it's silly and and petty stuff. He did leak DMs, too. That's bad. That I legit think is bad. I don't think you should ever leak DMs.

I think that's rude. And to be honest with you, there's a lot of stuff that Elon's done lately that I really wish that he hadn't done. H-1B visa stuff? I mean, not so much that. The way that he got into the H-1B visa argument, yes, but banning a lot of people, even like some of the real scumbags that that are annoying on on X. I don't think that it's good to ban people and stuff like that, mostly because it gives the it gives the people that don't like him. And I'd love to say, oh, he's not really this. It gives them something to talk about. So I think he like he should if it was if I were him, I would just ignore them and leave it alone.

But this is just silly. So, I mean. Yeah, the H-1B thing was interesting because it certainly looked like, for a long period of time, there was an attempt to get Elon Musk and Donald Trump to fight each other. Right. To get MAGA to go after him. And then, sure enough enough when this controversy pops up certainly a lot of people went to war for it i do believe there was a campaign

an opera an op as it were and uh it works really well it's a hard thing to navigate because what happens is so you think somebody was facilitating trying to gen up to fracture America first over the topic of H-1B visas? I would say it is based on the evidence I've seen, extremely likely, that there were bot accounts attacking people and posting abhorrently racist things targeting Elon to try and create a rift. It's fascinating to me. The narrative the week before was that the corporate press was trying to create a rift. It's fascinating to me. The narrative the week before was that the corporate press

was trying to create a rift between Trump and Elon. They were running these stories saying Donald Trump secretly is angry at Elon saying these things about him. And then Trump supporters are posting Elon and Trump aren't going to fall for it. Then all of a sudden,

you get a bunch of accounts that are not verified and they're posting very racist things. They're making direct incendiary comments with the genetics of an Indian man in particular and posting his photo over and over again, trying to personally offend a friend of Elon Musk. Many of these accounts, so I'll give you an example. You know, I talk about how you know they're bots and it's because they post things that are either antagonistic, nonsensical, or don't align with what you posted. For instance, there are a bunch of non-verified accounts with few followers that post weird

things in response to anything I do calling me a Jew. Right? These are not real people. There's no human being on their phone being like, wait, did Tim tweet? Better call him a Jew again. When the same accounts over and over again, like, seemingly say the same things over and over again, you're like, yeah, these are not real accounts. Right. accounts over and over again automatically like seemingly say the same things over and over you're like these are not real accounts right so what i noticed when this whole thing went down was that

there were accounts that uh for me it was interesting because i initially tweeted this looks like an op got attacked by a bunch of trump supporters however i disagree with with elon stance on h1b to a great degree and i was very much uh in favor of shutting it down, reforming it, or doing something like that. When I then posted like seven different tweets about why H1B was bad, the responses from most of the visible accounts, they responded as though I said the opposite, because they're bots. Right. Because the bots had categorized my account or were assigned to my account as pro-Elon, not anti-H1B.

So I've explained this quite a bit, but the way it works is if a bot farm is targeting you and there's an individual running it who doesn't read English or something and they use a text generator or something like that. If my account was listed pro-Elon, anything I tweet in relation to the subject would be responded to as if it was pro-Elon. So when I then tweet H1B is bad, the response is, you're an idiot. H1B is actually bad and you're wrong. And I'm like, but I said that. Because they're not real people.

So you can see that happening in real time. Here's why it's hard to fight. The average person can't see that because they don't have millions of followers. So I get a thousand responses from a wall of bots and I'm like, look at that. Then what happens is some run-of-the-mill Trump supporter who is a real person claims that I accused them personally

of being a bot because they disagreed, which is not correct. That's why it's so hard to navigate through this stuff. Interesting. But regardless of whether there was somebody doing something nefarious and trying to create some fractures inside the movement, I think it's a legitimate conversation, a legitimate topic to have a conversation about. No one ever said it wasn't.

No, that's why I'm like, great, let's have it. I went on TV and said, why are we even starting this conversation about a broken system saying we should expand it? Here's what happens. A bunch of accounts started posting pictures of Indian people and saying abhorrently racist things while advocating

for H-1B. I believe those bots were actively trying to defend H-1B. So it's like a false flag. If the average person goes on X and sees a wall of racist content and then says H-1B is bad, they have an emotional reaction against those people. Go to their friends and say, I don't know. All those people that are arguing against H-1B are abhorrently racist, evil people. So your theory is who was behind it?

The people who like H-1B, I believe, were racist evil people. So your theory is who was behind it? The people who like H-1B I believe were pushing bot farms. I'll put it this way. Some people who are pro-H-1B ran bot farms that were racist anti-H-1B to make it appear as though anybody who was

a critical of H-1B was woke right racist white nationalist anti-Semites. And it does overlap withB was woke right racist white nationalist anti-Semites. I think it backfired. And it does overlap with the whole woke right garbage, too. I think it backfired on them. I don't think so. In what way? I think we actually had a legitimate, whatever they were trying to achieve.

No, no, no. That conversation existed and someone tried exploiting it. Right. They tried to. The conversation wasn't created by bot farms. No, I know. But I think their attempt to take over or redirect the conversation, I don't think that that actually succeeded. It did.

You think so? I think that a broader conversation off of social media, though. When Elon Musk tweeted that these vile racists should be excised from the party, you see, people don't know what he's talking about because they don't see the bots like he does. And so then when I agreed and said these fringe identitarians should not be welcome, it gets taken by people who are not bots as though I'm insulting them for criticizing H1B and it creates and so is chaos. And we're not talking about the goal of the bot farm and the operations on social media. The goal is not to create a one-for-one inversion. Like today you will support Elon, tomorrow you will not. It's to create friction and chaos and to increment things by degrees.

So it looks to me as, I will say this, one, bots are true. Elon called about the moment he got into Twitter and started going through it. We know they exist. They operate every single day on every single issue. Some of them get flagged. Some of them get banned. Some of them get flagged. Some of them get banned. Some of them do not. I think it was Elon was basically pointing out that the federal government was operating bots to sway public opinion as well.

And he said, no, I'm going to charge you money because you need verification to be to be visible. That was interesting, too, because he said that it was possible that Twitter had been overvalued because there were so many bots. Yep. And Twitter had counted them as users. And they did. That's right. But my whole thing being what... They all do.

Whatever took place online and whatever Elon said, I mean, obviously it was a minuscule part and I'm sure there were some people that are genuinely racist. Most of them were bots. I think that actually led to a greater conversation about, wait a minute. I would argue... Let's hold on right there. The conversation existed before bots started trying to disrupt it. But I don't think a lot of people actually ever paid attention to the H-1B visa program in as much detail or as much attention as what took place a few weeks ago.

The bot attack and the H-1B conversation are two entirely different circumstances. The conversation around H-1B existed. Right. It still exists. Okay, yes. The bots trying to sow chaos with racist posts is an entirely separate thing that did not create the conversation on H-1B. No, it tried to redirect it. It sowed chaos. Right.

And it shifted opinions of some people in bad directions. I guess I would push back a little bit and go, I'm not sure what significant percentage it might have shifted in a certain direction. It doesn't need to be significant. The point is, it's all about, I described this the other day, casinos don't win by going head to head with you in a game of blackjack and winning all your money. They win by winning 0.5% every year. So when these accounts, I made this point about Gropers. I said, Nick Fuentes' fans, the people who go in chat rooms and post vile rape threats to children are not Fuentes' fans. Those are people trying to attack Nick Fuentes. How do you effectively attack Nick Fuentes? Claim to be a fan

and then threaten to rape a child. What happens then is a regular person who's never heard Fuentes or heard his arguments says all of his fans are weirdos who threaten children, which is not true. Right. And you think that has now affected the H-1B visa debate? Maybe it's 1%, maybe it's 2%. But look, man, I go on X and I'm looking at some of these posts and I see 50 tweets from people posting pictures of Indian people calling them a whole like bucket of racial slurs in every possible direction. And the only thing you can include is this. No reasonable person who wants to stop H-1B would do that. Correct.

The people who want H-1B want to smear their opponents as evil racists. So when a regular person enters, a regular person walks into a room and says, hey, what's this H-1B thing about? And they see a bunch of people screaming racist things. All the racists are for. Right. And then all the racists want to ban H-1B. Maybe not. I'm not in favor of reforming.

I don't want to be involved with those guys. They're racist. So if there's all these bots on X, how many of these, how many bots are there on TikTok pushing all this stuff? Oh, man, I assume massive numbers. And we can't see it. We know that when Elon went into X, we could see these things. But with TikTok, we can't see anything. No, it's totally obscured.

So just my take on this is it might have colored a little bit all around the edges, but I don't think it fundamentally changed anyone saying we have to have a real conversation about H-1B visas. And the immediate reaction would be, well, you're a racist. There is an ongoing campaign from disaffected liberals to label people as woke right, to gatekeep and effectively sow discord. And they're doing it because I think I think Jack Posobiec has it right when he calls them diet woke. These are disaffected liberals who are saying things like, they're basically using the phrase woke right to refer to anyone who is on the right. First, they'll target Candace Owens and say, look at her criticism of Jews. She's woke right. Anybody who has concerns about Candace Owens' views on Jews, Israel, uses of liberty, whatever, might be like,

whoa, woke right. Then James Lindsay calls Oren McIntyre the example of woke right. Oren McIntyre is like a post-liberal. And it's like, what? Then he calls Tucker Carlson woke right. Then Michaela Peterson says anybody who's critical of H-1B is a racist woke right, and you see where it's going. Disaffected liberals are creating an umbrella term to call everybody racist the same way the woke left had been doing. This is Diet Woke. They're doing the same strategy. So when you see a spattering of weird accounts with random string text names, no followers, and they're not verified, and they're insulting Indian people in rather disgusting ways, I'm like, yeah, it's not a legitimate pro-anti-H1B group. This is an operation to try and sow discord and make the people criticizing H1B look bad.

What's post-liberal? So if you want a great in-depth response, the best the best thing I would suggest is watching the Lotus Eaters. But I can give you a very, very surface level understanding. So I'm not a conservative. I probably lean post liberal. The idea being that for the long time I was a liberal and I believed in universal principles, things that we should hold to be true and protect. And then you slowly start to realize a few things. Liberal ideas actually got us to this problem in the first place by allowing evil people to be evil. Ideas like we should defend free speech, even for those we

disagree with, results in people who want to destroy your free speech, destroying it. And so at a certain point, you actually say we should protect free speech for those that believe in free speech. There's a limiting to the principle. But an easy way I kind of look at to what it means to be more post-liberal, and again, Carl Benjamin would give you a much better breakdown because he was the OG classic liberal YouTube Gamergate guy, now the post-liberal podcaster. Would you describe yourself as post-liberal? Leaning in that direction. I don't know enough about it, and I don't like joining factions, but I would put it this way. We had the conversation yesterday as it pertained to TikTok

when Bobby Sauce was arguing that if we believe in small government, we shouldn't give the government more power to ban things. And I said, yeah, that's liberal. He chuckled like I was calling him a liberal. I said, no, that's a literal liberal philosophy of there are universal principles that must be protected. Easiest example that came up was during COVID. Here's a question for you, Ned. Do you think that parents should have the final say when it comes to medical decisions for their children? Of course.

So you think a parent that wants to sterilize and castrate their son should be allowed to do it? Interesting. No, you don't. No, I don't. So you don't believe parents should have the final say. There are certain circumstances where the government should intervene and where the government should not, meaning there is no universal principle over parents having the right of final say on the medical decisions for their children. Where do you draw the line, though?

Your personal morals. And that is a post-liberal understanding of, hey, wait a minute. We argued free speech should be for all. And then we realized, actually, the communists who don't believe in free speech have weaponized it against us, are taking it from us and destroying everything while we sit back and let them do it. That's like when people criticize, you know, people don't like what you say. People don't like if you're saying, you know, we should have mass deportations. And they're like, oh, really nice Christian values you have. And it's like, you're an atheist. Shut it. Right. Yeah. You don't even it if you're saying, you know, we should have mass deportations. And they're like, oh, really nice Christian values you have.

And it's like, you're an atheist. Shut it. Right. You don't even believe in this. I had someone come at me recently with Christian values. And I'm like, these are my Christian. These are the Christian values that I'm upholding. In fact, the the my body, my choice stuff is a big awakening.

When you realize the hypocrisy of liberals, they say my body, my choice for abortion, but not for vaccines. Meaning my body, my choice is not a universal principle to these people's morality. Intellectually incoherent. They're not liberal. They're illiberal. What's interesting, too, is you had liberals in the 90s coming down hard on Christian scientists' parents who didn't want to seek medical treatment for their ill children. And those are the same people now who want to get in the way of parents refusing to allow their children to have sex

changes. Let's make it, let's break it down in the way that really hits the culture war. If a conservative parent has a child in school and that child says they're trans and they want the surgery, the government in a liberal state will keep that information from the parents so the parents don't have a right to make a decision as to the medical treatment for their child. If they were in a conservative state and the parent said, I'm going to help you do it, the conservative state would intervene to stop the parent from doing it. Conservatives would agree with that. And in the inverse, liberals on the other side would agree with the state intervening to give the child a sex change, meaning depends on your personal morals, I guess.

Where do we draw the line is based entirely on what we believe to be good or bad and what will improve this country or not. So post-liberal is more like that, which I think is fairly obvious and correct for that reason, as just described. But for me, it starts with my body, my choice. It starts with free speech. The left has this Karl Popper meme where he's like, if you tolerate intolerance, eventually the intolerant win. And we scoff and laugh at them as they utilize this this fascistic ethos of might makes right against us. And for the longest time in the 2010s, I, as well as the classical liberal bunch, kept

saying, if the if Twitter bans a leftist, we will stand up to defend their free speech because we believe in free speech. The moment they got unbanned, they'd come out and file reports against us to have us banned. Boy, were we stupid for doing that. It's like the Neil Garman thing. I will defend free speech

for someone who believes in my free speech. Right. So if Nick Fuentes says we should have free speech and they go to ban him, I'll say, hey, look, man, he stands on the principle, may not agree with his opinions, but he deserves free speech. But a communist trying to strip away our rights have free speech, and they go to ban him, I'll say, hey, look, man, he stands on the principle, may not agree with his opinions, but he deserves free speech. But a communist trying to strip away our rights to free speech, when they get banned, I'm going to say, ha ha ha.

That's like with the whole Neil Gaiman thing, the author. So he's been alleged to, you know, sexual stuff. He did wrong sexual stuff, apparently. It's what everybody's saying. But he was opposed to women's rights and in favor of you know men being in women's bathrooms and men being able to be called mother and all of this stuff so you have all of these sort of post feminists who have been saying you know me too went too far looking at neil guyman going like well enjoy. Yep. I haven't said anything about Neil Gaiman. And I was like very opposed to the whole Me Too thing. And it's like he's been out here, you know, advocating for child sex changes and whatever

else. And I'm just like, well, suck it. Suck it, Neil Gaiman. So one thing, I think I think another thing. So basically, on the surface, it might appear that post-liberals and conservatives have a lot of things in common, but they're actually quite different. Conservatives have traditional moral values they want to uphold. Post-liberal is not too different in some ways, but largely about realizing the liberal ethos led to the creation of policies that have destroyed everything. For example, the 1964 Civil Rights Act is an absolute outcome of classical and then traditional liberalism. What does the 1964 Civil Rights Act give us?

HR departments. By law, there's nothing you can do about it. So we actually have a couple stories about DEI departments shutting down, and Phil made this point before the show started, so long as they have HR, they have DEI. And it's because as someone who runs a company, I know exactly what the insurance companies require. I am required to have insurance. There are certain things I can't do without insurance. I'm not going to get into the great details, but yep, you want to buy a certain product to run it for your business. They're going to ask you if you have insurance, you want to open a store, you got to have insurance. Insurance company is going to ask

you, what do you do to mitigate against these particular things? Why would we insure you if you're going to get sued for a violation of all of these rights? So long as that all those titles exist and the Civil Rights Act exist, you are going to be required by law to have weird things in your business. You will like, let's say you have a business and you're in rural West Virginia, which is 99.9% white. You will get sued for being racist and they will cite the fact that your company's majority white.

And we try and argue it's because people here are white. It won't matter. You will lose. But let's actually jump to that story from media. FBI shuttered DEI office ahead of Trump's inauguration. Now, why would they do that? No, they didn't. They didn they do that? No, they didn't. They didn't do it?

No, they did, but I think they're probably just embedding them throughout the different parts of the agency. Oh, right. No, the woke mind virus is metastasizing. This is what concerns me a little bit. Not only at FBI, I've heard some of this taking place at DOD and other places. We're going to shut down some of this stuff. They're not on the places. We're going to shut down some of the stuff. They're not, on the surface it looks like they are, but they're just embedding these people in different departments, different parts

of the FBI. They're not firing anybody, right? No. So that's why... Well, Cash, you got your work cut out for you. This is what I want. I want them to have time stamps from November 6th, maybe even November 5th, but November 5th, 6th, time stamps

on when did these people get reassigned from, say, a DEI office? Where did they get placed? Who are they? What have they been assigned to do to figure out what they're trying to do by embedding these people in different offices and say, yeah, we went back and looked at the time stamp

and we know what you're doing and we're not going to tolerate it. So I've suggested that to some of the nominees. Go back and looked at the timestamp and we know what you're doing and we're not going to tolerate it so i've suggested that to some of the nominees go back and look at timestamps when they started you know doing this maneuvering and figure out what they're doing is the answer simple then when kash patel is confirmed as uh head of the fbi he just looks at who anybody who was in the dei department and just fires him yeah look at the timest stamp. No, look at when they were moved. Probably they were moved post-November 5th and go, yeah, that's great. The thing is, until you can firmly decide the head of the executive branch can fire these people, one of the other things that I've proposed, just start a department of

elimination until you can actually solve the fundamental question. Just send them and say, you're reassigned to one of the hundreds of empty government buildings. We're not going to have you resist or cause problems or try and stop Trump's policies. You've just been reassigned to this Department of Elimination. You get to show up at an empty desk, no computer, read a newspaper, read a book. You're not going to do any more damage to Trump and his policies. There's things they can do. Like you can have him move boxes from one room to another, you know?

Stuff like that. No, I think everything. I mean, GS-14, 15, and SES types are the ones that really lead the resistance inside. I think everyone GS-13 and above should get fired, but that comes up. That's why I suggested start GS-12 and 13s, but sure. Hey, you want to add to it? Fine, man. No, but you're right. I mean, that's where you start to get to these guys really starting to make decisions.

GS-14s and 15s really think they are the deciders. He said, we're going to move you out. I got it. Wait, wait. How many FBI agents are there that you think we could reassign? Well, so I just got told by someone that's a current agent that about 40% of the, I think it's current field agents, maybe it's the agents at headquarters, but it's a significant percentage came in

under Christopher Wray. There's only 38,000 FBI agents right now. So wait, are we saying there's 40% of those that we could reassign because we don't need them? I don't trust them. Let's just say for starters, I don't trust them. That's not my question. I think you could lose half of them. That's not my question. I think you could lose half. So I think we're looking

at half, so 19,000? Yeah. Let's send them all to a facility in Alaska and have them work on the 3x plus 1 problem. Well, Ned and I were talking about this earlier. This math problem has baffled math petitions for 50 years. 19,000

people. No Malaska. No Malaska. Just sitting in a room writing down numbers. That's where the new FBI headquarters are. That's where the new beautiful FBI headquarters will be. No Malaska. Go up there and solve these problems. Well, it's one problem and it's just

we're going to have you all. For decades. The 3x plus 1 problem, it's basically, let me actually give you the full breakdown on this one, how it basically works. You take a positive number. If it's even, divide by 2. If it's odd, multiply by 3. Then add 1. And eventually it will collapse and come down to 1.

And so we're trying to figure out if it's true or not. It's presumed. And it's not been solved. But 19,000 people of rudimentary mathematic experience i think we could solve that problem so it might take them like four years i don't care five years six years there's things they can do in the meantime but ned and i were talking earlier and i think that that or he mentioned something that i didn't even realize that when you relocate a a large agency or a business 20 percent 20 business, 20% of the personnel decide they don't want to move.

They're not going to move their families. They're not going to relocate schools. So this comes back to something that we've been talking about here regularly. Break apart all of these agencies that are in D.C. and send them throughout the country and you'll get a massive downsizing of the federal government just because of the movement if trends would hold true about 20 i mean there's 800 000 that the government has 800 000 federal employees that the government of its own volition has deemed to be non-essential yeah 100 800 000 hundred percent. Eight hundred thousand. Let's get them out. Get them out. Let's go.

You're done. And that's why I want, I. Here we go. At two station. It's the, uh, Western most point of the illusions. Oh, that's where the new FBI headquarters are going to be. I, I think we should do that. Yeah.

Great. At two station. What is this? I mean, that's, that's great for the FBI, but there's a boatload of other, uh, bureaucracies that need to go. Yeah. Department, Department of Education that need to go. Yeah, totally. Department of Education should cease to exist. Absolutely.

Agriculture should go to like Des Moines or something. It shouldn't exist. Yeah, 100%. Like, let's shut it down. I want Linda McMahon to go in and say, I have an announcement. Day one. I have an announcement to make. I am the last secretary of education.

We are going to be shutting this down over the course of four years. And before Trump's gone, as everybody has left the building, he just implodes the building. Raises it to the ground. Look at this. D.C. is short on housing. Look where this is. Look where Attu Station is. You see that?

That little red dot? Western most of the Aleutian Islands. And the population density is zero. Zero. I say we take them all and we send them there. Then we're going to have to build a bridge to nowhere. I got to be honest, though. I think we'll get more than 20% if we do that, though.

I think we'll get rid of more than 20%. Yeah, I think we'd go from half of 19,000, we'd be down to like a handful. I mean, it actually looks like a really fun place to visit, to be honest. Like, I would actually love to go and check this place out. There you go. Here's your building. They got bikes. Wow. There's an old plane. That's cool. Look at all that.

It looks like fun, man. You'd be safe from the zombies. You should start the tourism department. There's so many things in the department. To the 19,000 FBI agents. They'd have a little city. Look at this. Beautiful. Look at that. That's a nice city. Look at this. Look at that. That's a nice place.

Beautiful in the summer. Probably have like 23 hours of sunlight. So the population is zero. A lot of mosquitoes. Yeah. Winter is a little depressing up there. A lot of mosquitoes in Alaska? Yeah.

Really? Yeah, I worked up there in the summer. It's because you assume it's cold, but in the summer, it's daylight all day. And everything melts. And the vegetables get big. Yeah. summer, it's daylight all day. And everything melts. And the vegetables get big. In North America, there's the same, or in Canada and Alaska,

there's the same biomass of mosquitoes as there is in the Amazon, but it's in half the year as opposed to it's year-round in the Amazon. Oh, wow. There's a lot of mosquitoes here. It's pretty bad, yeah. Oh, wow, man. There used to be people there, 15. Wow. There were 19 men There used to be people there. Fifteen. Fifteen little people?

There were 19 men and one woman. Yikes. But we, this is only, this is one, this is just one agency we're talking about here. We got, we got, how many other? We got the whole Department of Transportation. Look, the Aleutians have a lot of islands. But a lot of conversations about reducing,

people are talking about reducing the size of government. Great. It's reducing responsibilities. Yeah. Where should government be? Where should government not be? And I think that's one of the conversations that we should have with the American people. What should our government look like? What is a proper government for a representative democracy,

which progressives don't believe in, by the way? What should it look like? Where should it be? You know, again, their whole approach is the state of salvation. It should invade every aspect of your life. People have asked, why is there continual perpetual growth of the state? Because they want it to invade every aspect of your life. Until salvation comes to every aspect of your life, the state should continue to grow.

So it's in the DNA of the state. Because they think the state is salvation. Right. So that's how they believe. And then we need to have a conversation. It's the ultimate company store the conversation needs to be had let's get back to a rights based government

government is meant to secure these god given rights and take none of them away and so this is the conversation has to be out with the American people but the beginning point is break apart the Leviathan downsize it but downsize the scope when people talk about limited government,

I think too often they look at, well, government should be limited in size. It should be limited in scope. Do you think that to have that effect, do you think something like the necessary and proper clause need to be amended or the commerce clause? Because those are the two clauses that actually allow the government, or that give the government justification, or they the justification they use all these aspects of their lives yeah exactly i mean because the you know the constitution does articulate the powers that the government has and then anytime they want to do anything they say well congress has the power to make laws that are necessary and proper oh this is to regulate commerce between the states which which if you look at any you know

if you look at the definition of regulate when they made that, it has nothing to do with being able to just, you know, tell people they can't grow wheat on their own property to feed to their own cow or whatever, you know. But I would go back to most of the administrative state is inside, not the Article I legislative branch. It's in the Article II executive branch. And the head of the executive branch should be able to decide

what is necessary, what is not necessary for the Article II executive branch and the head of the executive branch should be able to decide what is necessary, what is not necessary for the Article II executive branch to run effectively. And if he gets that question answered, he can decide this is not needed for this to be used effectively for the American people. I'm going to shut down this department. I'm going to shut down this agency. We're going to fire this many federal employees. We're going to fire, I don't think a lot of people know that there's twice as many federal contractors as there are federal employees. We're going to fire I don't think a lot of people know that there's twice as many federal contractors as there are federal employees. About a two to one ratio.

We're going to get rid of, there's four million, the last I checked there were about four million federal contractors. We're going to fire them. Four million federal contractors. Yeah, just for the federal government. About two million federal government employees. That doesn't include military. Too many.

What does government, what does government, a representative democracy government that is meant to secure rights, take none of them away, what does that actually look like in practice in the 21st century? And the head of the Article 2 branch, I think, should be empowered to be making that decision in some ways. Not that I think that an amendment

is possible. I think that it would be some kind of long shot, but do you think that it would be functional to have an amendment that actually outlines what a what a what the government's role should be like because you know it should be like in my in my estimation i'm close to to um i'm close to the idea that there should be a government that should provide courts for redress agreements they should defend the borders and then they should protect property rights and that's it that's all the fuck's all the legitimate functions of government. Which, by the way, do we actually have private property if we have property taxes?

No, and I think that that should be adjudicated. Yeah, you're just paying rent. But I just, last, really quick, I mean, I think you lead property rights. The founders believed that you had a right to property, and there's property and rights. And I think if you don't have actual real private property because of property taxes, I think you undermine the whole idea of actually what does it mean to have rights. And I think if you don't have actual real private property because of property taxes, I think you undermine the whole idea of actually, what does it mean to have rights? I agree completely. I want to jump to the story, but I just

realized that the pop-up on the Post Millennial is Libby on Tim Kess IRL. Look at that! But it was you on IRL. That was me on IRL. How's the introduction? I was like, that's a big chair. I was like, wait a minute, that's my window. So you can do it for your son again.

You want me to do it? Yeah. I wonder if he's watching. He might be. He asked me for the link. Uh-oh. Oh, is that why you're... Hi, I'm Libby Emmons from the Postmillennial.

There you go. You do say that. Yeah. That's what he asked me to do. All right, everybody. From the Postmillennial, DNC taps staffers behind misleading Kamala HQ account to combat misinformation.

Oh, boy. Thank goodness. They will, quote, combat online misinformation and respond to the Trump administration actions by pushing out memes, videos, and graphics. In other words, they will lie. Yes.

Yep. They will lie. And what's interesting, too, is remember how with Kamala HQ, immediately there was a Kamala HQ Lies X account that popped up? So there's a FactPost L's account that has already popped up to

debunk all of the nonsense that this FactPost account publishes. I think that's pretty interesting. One thing is that if the DNC is hiring Kamala's Gen Z ex-staffers, they really haven't learned anything from this election at all. They're just going to keep going on and doing the exact same stupid nonsense they were doing before.

Lying, taking things out of context, misquoting, false allegations. So I think this is an interesting question. And that's what the DNC is going to do. And the DNC doesn't even have a head yet, but they're going to come in with this cohort ready to go and perpetrate misinformation. So based off just even some of the confirmation hearings over the last few days, I think it's an interesting question. Democrats do seem to be in disarray. Obviously, they're not bringing their A-game. At what point do we think they will ever come to the conclusion we were the path we are going down and we have gone down is is a destructive one to our party and for us achieving political power again we might want to re-jigger this whole thing

and maybe not continue or are they just going to simply double down well i guess it depends because their mind is so broken chair and maybe who they, which way they go, right? Because they have two directions they could go in. They could go hard progressive left. I think they will go that way. Or and like, you know, boost AOC and Rashida Tlaib and whoever else didn't get voted out from that whole squad.

Or they could go the more moderate approach and say, you know, well, of course, we do need to have more border control, and we do need this and that. We do need to reduce sterilizing our children, and we do need to promote families. So they have a choice to make, and they haven't decided what choice they're going to make yet. They don't know what they're going to do. What's my bet?

Yeah. I think if they have no sense then they'll go progressive they'll go even harder progressive i don't know if they have the ability to be ability to because i think the woke mind virus has broken their brains i don't think they have anything else because if you look at it the establishment ones they're older than joe biden i i I think people view the world and humans as this group that shifts around, watches the news, changes their minds. The reality is fundamentalists. People's minds are developed in youth and largely solidify. The reason the Democrats began embracing wokeness is because younger left leaning individuals are in line with Democrats. Thus, the Democratic Party officially adopted the DSA as a component of the Democratic Party.

The DNC cannot moderate because young, woke people genuinely believe in their crackpot cult. They're not going to wake up from it. This is their whole worldview. Their fundamentals and their views. Yes. And what's going to happen is people like Pelosi and Schumer who have entertained it for power, they're going they still moderate it to a certain degree despite entertaining it. That's a weakness. When they pass on, the younger people who move into the Democratic Party are going to be full on woke and it will be that much worse. I agree. I don't think they have. I think the trends have been put in place. I don't think there is a way for them to stop these trends until this next generation that is completely embraced this fundamentalist woke mind virus passes away. And that's not for a long time. Gen X is the reason Trump won. Boomers still are leaning a little bit conservative, silent generation as well. But once we lose the older generation,

I don't see how we get another populist right president. Well, so I bring up an interesting point. And TikTok. I think the 2028 elections are far more important than people understand because of what happens in the 2030 census. Yeah, absolutely. If you hold on to power in 2028,

and by that I mean America first Republicans, and it might be J.D. Vance, it might be somebody else, you hold on to power then, the 2030 census and the shift from these blue states into the Sun Belt and other key states down south, I think all of a sudden it becomes a decade of power.

Take a look at this from Civics. Here's the Donald Trump favorability as of today. Fifty three percent unfavorable. Eighteen to thirty four. Sixty one percent unfavorable. Thirty five to forty nine. Fifty six unfavorable. Fifty to sixty four. Fifty one percent favorable. Sixty five plus. Fifty percent favorable. This is not, there is not going to be a great awakening of, the reason why generations skew one direction, it goes more and more liberal as time goes on. It's because the younger generations are exposed to liberal ideology. Indoctrination centers. Indoctrination centers.

When they turn 30 they're going to hold those same views so when 18 to 34 becomes 34 to 49 they're the the then what you're going to see the 35 to 49 bracket have a 61 unfavorable rating for donald trump as the older generation passes on this country is going to go woke. And we are only lucky right now that Gen X, which was the largest bracket supporting Donald Trump, came out and voted for him and the Republicans without without Gen X. That's it. Now, the other issue is when boomers go and they do support Trump a little bit. It's going to be much more difficult for Gen X to maintain this. And Gen Z is leftist this is why i say tiktok is so dangerous but it's not just tiktok our own companies do the same

thing pushing this crackpot ideology and i believe largely that either this country is sick to the core or democrats are intentionally burning the country down well i, I mean, yeah, I've said this a boatload of times, like a happy population doesn't engage in revolutionary activities. So if you've got people that are ideologically bent on having, on creating like the perfected society or having a revolution in the U.S., you want unhappy Americans. You want people that are disaffected. You want people that are not pleased with the way that their lives and the country is

going, so that way they will engage in revolutionary activities. You don't get happy people that have kids and have happy families and stuff. They don't want to engage in revolutionary activities because they're like, man, my life's good. So a couple things. I mean, kind of what Tim was saying, like the numbers look pretty grim moving forward. I think that should actually inspire those of us that are involved in politics in a day-to-day basis.

We better figure out how we actually get the numbers in our favor before 2028 in regards to voter reg, ABGEN, all these things and key battleground states to hold on to power in 2020. And then I think census numbers give us another 10 years. But then that leads to the next point. At some point, and JD Vance has talked about this,

I endorse it. We should talk about the endowments for these indoctrination centers. Yep. And let's have a conversation about what you're actually doing in bringing these younger generations and indoctrinating them in destructive ideas that are going to ruin this country in the future and actually allow China and other countries to dominate us. The Communist Control Act was a thing for a little while. It's we should reject people coming into our country that want to subvert it.

There's nothing there should be nothing objectionable or even particularly odd about that sentiment. If we as a nation want to survive, and we like our way of life, we should have schools teach that the United States is a good place, not that the United States is a bad place. We should have and if we're going to allow immigration at all, we should only allow immigrants in if they believe in the ideology

and they want to become Americans. They have to want to assimilate. You can't bring the old country's ways with you. I'm sorry. If you want the old country's ways, go to the old country. But you're not making our country like the old country. Kind of goes back to what I was saying earlier. Yeah, go ahead.

No, that was the idea originally. It was like, you know, you could bring your food and bring your fashion and some of that stuff. But like basically you have to become an American. Assimilation was a huge deal. You have to buy into the ethos. We're not an economic zone. We're not some random spot in the world. There's a very specific and unique culture and way of life and how we approach things.

Yeah. Constitution, our government, all of these things. And I think immigration policy should reflect that i mean again it goes back to the conversation earlier in which they're trying to destroy this country via immigration policy because they hate it yep our immigration policy should actually be implemented going back to the h-1b does this actually promote the interests of our culture and society all immigration and visa policy should actually be pointed in that direction um i yeah i mean it goes back to what is the what is the moral imperative of every national leader

it's to promote the interests of the nation and its nation's people and if you if you don't want to promote if you don't want is best for them yeah if you don't want if you're not like i mean if you're not america first why are you even running for government for a position in government? Yeah. There are people who have this fractured view of the world. They're not smart people. They don't read. They get their information from songs and not good ones at that.

And so their their reason for joining government. Some of these people, it's their only way the only way to get their name in the history books. For others, they're literally trying to burn it to the ground. It's remarkable to me that there are people who were raised in this country

who hate it. That's particularly rare for a lot of the other developed nations that you have this massive, I mean... It's true in the UK. That people hate the UK?

Yeah. To be fair, the UK is in serious trouble. Oh, it's serious. But I mean like, let me rephrase this. There has been an increase in the West of younger generations who despise their own countries. Right. Yeah, I think, I mean, part of that is that we have eradicated the reason that the countries are good in the first place.

We've taken away the moral values. We've taken away, you know, civic place. We've taken away the moral values. We've taken away civic society. We've taken away civility. We've taken away all of the things that, as you were saying, would make you govern yourself and feel good about who you are. We've destroyed meaning. We've said meaning is irrelevant. And then you have people going in search of what?

We settle for your truth, my truth, and annihilate the idea of objective truth. Yeah, people go look for witchcraft to try know, to try and be part of that. People are desperate to be part of something. And so they're searching for meaning and something to make them feel valid in the world. And if that's the road you're on, if you're staring into the void looking for anything to grab onto before you fall into the black hole of nothingness, you're going to grab whatever it is that shows up your way. It's like the girl with daddy issues, the first guy at the bar. She goes home with him.

It is now time to say goodbye. Merrick Garland saying goodbye. That's nice. I don't mind that. I'm glad he wasn't a Supreme Court justice. I remember when that was going on, and I was like, Mitch McConnell's being a real stick in the mud.

It's like nine months left, you know? And it's like, no, that was a good job. Good job, Mitch McConnell. That was like the one good thing he did. Everybody can complain all they want about Turtle Man, but he saved America from Merrick Garland. And he saved America. Like all of the good things that the Supreme Court has done in the past.

I don't know however long it was since 2012 or 11 or whatever when he was. All that good stuff probably wouldn't happen without Mitch McConnell. Did you guys watch some of the confirmation hearing for Pam Bondi? Yeah. Which I can't remember which senator or Democrat. I can't believe she's 59. I know. I can't either.

She looks good. Yeah, she does. She's like 43. Yeah. The question being, well, how does. She's like 43. Yeah. The question being, well, how can we be sure that you're not going to weaponize the DOJ against political— And she's like, like you did. And she was like, wait, you just did that. That's a serious question?

Yeah. Have you not watched Merrick Garland the last four years weaponize the DOJ? They are evil. Yeah. Now, this is, you know what? I'd love to have the conversation about, in our society, we should have a conversation about there is good and there is evil, and we should promote the good and we should destroy the evil. Yes.

That's a good way to go. Get thee behind me, Satan. For the benefit of society, we should say there is good, there is evil. Yeah. But for that to happen, you have to have standards and principles that everybody agrees and the idea of absolutes it's not your truth my truth it is truth yeah it's not subjective it's objective yep it's true and that that these there there's there's always going to be the post-modern perspective right like people think that quantum quantum physics applies to like normal everyday interactions and stuff. And fair enough, your your actual perspective does matter.

But that doesn't change the fact that you can talk about things that are true, that in a in a way that is close enough to fact to be functional for a society. That's why even though a lot of the stuff in the Bible isn't true, true, like it's not like the stories didn't actually happen the way they say in the Bible, but if you live your life away... I don't know if that's true. I don't know if that's true. I do. Anyways, the point that I'm making is...

The word of God? I know, like it's the word of God. Wait a minute, we can have a conversation about it. No, no, no. But the point is it's functionally true. The point is if you live your life according to the things that the Bible says, you're generally going to have a society that works out better. It's like basically a socio-technological advancement.

Yes, yes. So are the Beatitudes. You guys are more than welcome to your religion and to believe that the Bible is the word of God. But the point is, if you live your life according to... By the Ten Commandments. If we were to just say society should be ordered around the Ten Commandments... That would be a good jam. That would work out.

It would be a great society. Yeah. You shouldn't murder. Oh, okay. That's pretty obvious. You should honor your father and mother. You should not commit adultery. You should not covet.

Yeah. Don't drive yourself nuts wanting what the other guy has. Right. It's a good way to order society. That's why God handed them down. You should order your society based off these commandments. We had this conversation with Seamus on the show like a year and a half ago or so. And I said from a liberal perspective, if you break down the commandments logically, they all make sense.

That if a secular individual were to follow these, you would have a better society. So we pull them up. That's not controversial either. It shouldn't be. But it's actually quite simple, right? The obvious ones, don't commit adultery. Like, we agree with that. Don't bear false witness.

Honor your parents. Don't murder. Don't covet stuff. Don't steal or cheat. cheat yeah but then there's two uh or actually there's uh there's there's three which is the first commandment having no other gods the uh ninth and the tenth remember the sabbath day keep it holy and you shall not take the name of your lord god in vain i can break that down very simply in a secular way as to why that still logically applies because if you were to apply the word God, as in the moral structure,

or I should say from a liberal perspective, this system and what you are following, let's write these up from a secular perspective. The first commandment would be, you shall have no other moral frameworks aside from this. That's basically what it's saying. Do not worship any other ideas or ideologies. The ninth is, that one's actually quite simple. Take a day for yourself to recover. And the last one, of course, is don't use the name in vain, is literally do not disparage these ideas for which you live a better life. And don't curse people. Be consistent with them. I'm taking a

secular approach to it, but I do think it's actually quite simple why we all think this way. We were all raised in a society of Christian moral values. So when we look at these, we say, that makes sense. Go to China. They're going to be like, what do you mean? Some of these, they don't have the same

moral structure as we do. These things are foundational to Western civilization. And when we eradicate religion, we eradicate these ideas. It is in service to destroying Western civilization. And that's why communists hate religion, as Phil could tell you. You know, that's why you have all of these hard leftists being really in favor of ideologies that destroy family, that destroy society, that destroy, you know. The Judeo-Christian framework. The Judeo-Christian framework, you know, love God or not, the Judeo-Christian framework created peaceful, high-trust societies.

It created the concept, the very concept of civilization was created because we had ancestors buying into Judeo-Christian values. That's where, you know, I think that's... The Romans had civilization before. Yeah, but it wasn't as good. They had slaves underground pumping water. I mean, they had all kinds of... It was still civilization.

Yeah, but the greatest amount of freedom and prosperity that the world has ever seen came from Judeo-Christian values. Yes. That's fair. I would agree with that. Yeah, I mean, I totally agree. Rome was a great empire for a thousand years, but greatest amount of freedom and prosperity

for the most amount of people came from Judeo-Christian values. Greece was good too, but they left their babies on hillsides. How did it work that like you're a slave in Rome and like how would they know? You're like walking down the street and they're like, you're a slave now. Well, if you were like, if Rome conquered your your spot, the place where you lived, if Rome conquered you, you were a slave. And if you were a Roman citizen, that meant you were you could either buy citizenship or you could be born into citizenship.

How do you prove it? I don't know. But you have an interesting thing that happens. You should be like, no, I'm not a slave. I'm actually a noble. Well, you had this interesting thing that happens in Acts of the Apostles, which I was actually just reading recently, which is, so you have Paul, right? And he is like a convert. He's a convert to believe in Christ. And he was a Jew and he was like going around, you know, preaching about Jesus and all this stuff. And the Romans got really mad and they prosecuted him and they came after him and everything. And he was like, but I am a Roman citizen.

You can't do that to me. And they were like, oh, snap, you're a Roman citizen. That means we can't just arrest you with no due process because we're going to get in super trouble because you can't do that to a Roman citizen. There were legal disputes. You had documents testifying your background. There was a manumission records. If someone was once a slave and then they bought their freedom or whatever.

How do you buy freedom from being a slave? Some of them had their own private. They were allowed to actually earn money because their owners allowed them to do it and they were able to save up and buy their freedom. It was like a slave to own thing. Slavery in the Roman Empire wasn't the same kind of chattel slavery that we had here in the In the United States you had people who bought their own slavery.

Yes you did. And they were able to buy their family members out of slavery as well. But that was also if I understand correctly the way that slaves in the U.S. were treated was as if they were like a beast of burden, like a cow or like a— They were.

That's the way they were treated. In fact, that was one of the interesting debates at the Constitutional Convention of the slave state representatives. We want them to count as human beings in the census to give us more representation in the House. Which is why the three-fifths compromise. But no, they're actually—we want to treat them as property every other time. Isn't it funny, though, that most people have an inverted view of a three-fifths compromise? Liberals tend to argue that the South wanted slaves to be only three-fifths of a person. No, the South wanted them to be full people.

Right. They wanted census. They cut their power by 40% in the U.S. House. That's what the northern representative said you can't do it you can't count them as uh as human beings for the census and then treat them as property so we're not going to give you the full representation in the census so they they diminished the power of the slave states by 40 percent but but yeah the slavery in the roman empire was different to the kind of slavery that was here in the u.s and in in the colonies and the broad broadly like the atlantic slave trade and i think that the that slavery in um in africa today and in the middle east today is

different to both i think it's worse maybe worse there i don't know i think it's worse. Maybe. Worse there? I don't know. I think it was probably worse in the Middle East a while back. Slavery? Yeah. Well, there's still slavery in the Middle East. Yeah, but I'm saying if you go back a thousand years or whatever with like the jihad and all that stuff, it was probably substantially worse. They probably would just say, you're a slave and you work until you die. We don't feed you.

You know, things like that. That was true in Greece, too. You'll notice in Judeo-Christian civilization, there is no slavery anymore. Anymore. Well, I mean, that was one of the British, when the British ended slavery. William Wilberforce.

They were the first society to end slavery. And it was William Wilberforce who led decades-long campaign to end slavery inside the British Empire. He is one of the greatest figures ever in British history. And as much as considering the fact that the West gets so much hell from itself, from other people in the West, they ignore the fact that no other society ever ended slavery. The British and Western, they're the only society that ever ended slavery like notice and the british and western uh you know they're the only society

that ever ended slavery they didn't just end it in one country they ended it basically throughout the whole british empire which was almost the whole world of their own volition paid out you know significant sums of money over the course of years to actually end the in the process pretty amazing it also saves i mean you think about how the British did it versus us, because we refused to actually address it and confront it. There were some very bad calculations made at the turn of the 19th century in which they thought it would die of its own volition. It did not.

Cotton gin, all that other stuff that continued on. British Empire ended up its own volition. No massive bloodshed. We did not. Mass massive bloodshed. We did not. Massive bloodshed. And then we finally got it right, obviously, in 1865. But still. More people died in one battle in

the Civil War than died in the whole Vietnam War. Yeah, in the whole Vietnam War. More Americans, I'm sorry. Which battle? Gettysburg. Gettysburg, I think, was the bloodiest day in U.S. history. And the bloodiest battle was Gettysburg. Gettysburg, yeah. Gettysburg. And Tietam, I think, was the bloodiest day in U.S. history, and the bloodiest battle was Gettysburg. Because it lasted for more than one.

Three days. Three days, yeah. 54,000 people. It's wild. The South could have won at the first battle. Battle of Bull Run. They could have just walked into D.C. and it was over. But the South was like, no, no.

We don't want war. We just want them to leave us alone. Yeah, leave us alone. And the North was like, no, no. We don't want war. We just want them to leave us alone. And the North was like, nah. And then the manufacturing and manpower just eventually crushed them. They had better weapons. They had breech-loading rifles. And the South was still using

muskets in Gettysburg. I watched this really cool documentary. Because Gettysburg's right here. It's like a 40-minute drive. And Teutom's right here. Yeah, and Teutom's down the street. Which is a really cool battlefield. You should go there September 17th. That's like a 40-minute drive. Antietam's right here. Yeah, Antietam's down the street. Which is a really cool battlefield. You should go there September 17th. That's the anniversary of it. We found a rusty bayonet on this property, actually.

If you take a metal detector on this property, you're going to find Civil War stuff. So September 17th is the anniversary of Antietam. It's also Constitution Day. But if you go to Antietam on the anniversary, they have park rangers at key points of the battle with living history. It is a really cool experience.

I would argue Gettysburg's an amazing battlefield to visit. Antietam's right there with it. It's a really fascinating battlefield. Gettysburg's also got a great chocolate shop. Really? Hey, Antietam. No, but what's the, is it Sharps? What's the town near Antietam?

Sharpsburg. Yeah, Sharpsburg. Are you sure? They have an amazing ice cream shop. Ice cream shop. Yeah. It is incredible. We go there all the time.

Yeah, we took our kids. We took them through the battlefield on the anniversary of the 17th, and then we found this ice cream shop. I want to go back just for the ice cream. Nutter's. Nutter's, yes. And it's like for a dollar, they give you like a gallon. Yeah, no.

That was the funny thing. My wife was like, I can't believe that we just paid six. We have four kids. There were six of us. Like, how did we just pay that little for like kids are walking and trying to balance. There's lines out the door.

Yes. Yeah, so that. God of matters people. That spot's super close to our old studio. We used to hop on our mopeds and all just go right up to Sharpsburg because it was like 15 minutes and you go through this winding

like forest path. It's so pretty. That's a gorgeous path. And there's also a little pub across the street. They got great wings. What is that? Captain Benders? Is that what it is?

Yep. Sharpsburg, man. I'm going back. It's crazy. And you've got John Brown. Because Harper's Ferry is right here too. You've got John Brown's raid headquarters. And then you basically drive on any road.

We would hop on our mopeds and just drive down the road in this whole area there's like placards everywhere and cannons everywhere it's like yeah you live where people killed each other yeah yeah there's uh harper's ferry is like one of the most haunted places in the country apparently oh wow i don't know we got ghosts here yeah really there's? There's a cemetery on the property from like the late 1700s or 1800s, early 1800s, I think. And the gravestones have all fallen over and they're washed out. I think they were telling us that like some of the bones may have come up and washed away or whatever because of a creek right there or something like that. I don't know. But we keep hearing ghost stories from the employees.

Really? Here? Yeah. Like what? Well, Tales from the Inverted World kept trying to get the computer set up and weird things kept happening. Oh, I remember Shane was telling me about that. And that's an 1800s barnhouse. Yeah. The ceilings are like six and a half feet. Because, you know, people were really short back then. Well, they're also trying to keep heat in the rooms

and... Yeah, it's kind of wild how, like, low the ceilings are. But, uh, so tales from the inverted world is a show that shane cashman hosts and it's supposed to be like weird wild conspiracy and things like this and uh the computer would break in weird ways that we largely attributed to human error but one day when the computer broke the graphic graphics card just fell out anybody's put a computer together is going to be like, how did that happen? They were sitting

in the room and it went, and the computer shuts off. They're like, what? And they look and it fell out of the machine. And it's just like, that's weird. And a bunch of other weird things happen. Cameras just fall down. That's wacky. Doors won't open. Has anybody seen any? The basement is super

creepy. This is a thin place where the other world and this world meet. I don't know. All I know is the front building is from the 1800s. It's an 1800s farmhouse, and so it's got a lot of history, and then for whatever reason, you know, ghosts. Ghosts. Ghosts. That proves it.

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Have you ever considered shouting out Roman Nation and It's Based Gaming, both from your Discord? I did that earlier today on one of the morning segments. I shout out Roma Nation. But I also want to shout out the, what is it, Seven Days to Die? That's the game? Mm-hmm. The TimCast Discord server has its own community zombie game server, Seven Days to Die, I think it's called, where you can play games with a bunch of people.

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membership that I don't because I travel a lot. Why wouldn't you join? Why is this a moral question? Super woke. That and also because they're the fellas in the ladies rooms. They do. But more than that, it's not really for

people that seriously want to lift weights. They have a lunk alarm that you can spin the thing and it goes, or something like that? Yeah, I've never heard one go off, but if you're grunting or making noise when you're lifting weights, they'll go ahead and they'll embarrass you

and try and shame you. Because the goal, the argument is, we don't want this to be a, where the meatheads lift weights and stuff. And so they're like, well, we want to have everybody come in here. But really, what they want is people that aren't very serious to come in.

Because you sign up for a membership and never come back, which means the wear and tear. You just get the month. And you can't cancel. It's very hard to cancel gym membership. Well, because when you sign up, it says a bunch of stuff about like. I've never joined a gym.

Yeah, it says like you're signing up for two years and if you cancel, we'll still charge you. I take any money I would have used on a gym membership and I just buy my equipment for my basement. I was really pissed during COVID. That's a good business. I'm going to open a gym. I had a gym membership. It's not bad.

And I went to the gym like every day. And then during COVID, they were like, you have to work out in a mask. And I was like, I can't. And they had all these dividers. And I was like, whenever I come here, there's no space for me. And you're making me wear a mask. And I was like, I can't. And they had all these dividers. And I was like, whenever I come here, there's no space for me. And you're making me wear a mask. You need to let me out of this contract. And they wouldn't. It was infuriating.

They changed the terms of the deal and then didn't let me change stock payment. Depending on the gym, you look at the monthlies over the course of a couple years. It was New York Sports Club. But it adds up. And then you just go, I have that money to be able to invest in a certain amount of equipment. Do you guys ever see that video where the woman's

doing the leg press? And then her feet go all the way out. It's so gross. Oh, dear God. I do what you do. I have a treadmill. I have a little exercise bike. Never lock your knees. Ever. Why would you

ever do that? Bad decisions? I don't know. I have a yoga mat. Yeah, I do stuff at my house. Let's see what have we here. Not a banned account says undocumented Americans are Americans too. No. No.

What do you mean undocumented Americans? You remember when they were trying to do the whole undocumented citizens thing? Yeah. They always try. They started saying undocumented citizen because then it means why can't citizens vote? Right. Undocumented citizens.

Right. It's all semantics to try and achieve what they want. Yeah. There is no such thing as an undocumented American. No, it was just in regard to the gyms. I think the Federal Trade Commission did something good for once. They said that in April 2025, gyms, other businesses required to make an easy to cancel policy in order to. Yeah. In order to stop this from happening, essentially get someone in the door and then never let them leave.

Yeah, but I don't completely disagree. The issue is people go to the gym and say, I want to sign up for this gym. And the gym's just like, okay, well, there's a capacity and how many people could be at any time at once. So if you sign up, are you seriously going to be signing up? And they go, sure, and then they never show up again. So sure, some of the gyms are like, we're going to try and squeeze pennies out of you.

I think it's largely as a business, you're like, if everybody just came in and signed up and then left, we couldn't function as a business. So if largely as a business, you're like, if everybody just came in and signed up and then left, we couldn't function as a business. So if you're signing up, you're signing up for six months. Yeah. I was going to say you have to have like a minimum six months. And after that, if they want to cancel, they cancel. Yeah. You can't, you can't actually build a revenue stream that's consistent as a business if you don't have some commitment. And everybody signs up January 3rd and then never shows up again. What are they called? Quitting day?

I think it's like second Friday. There's something called quitter's day. No, look, I think it's sometime like second Friday or second Saturday in January. Like people last for a couple weeks. Yeah. Quitter's day. Yeah. That was the 10th.

10th. Second Friday of January, every each year marking day when many people have been in their New Year's resolution. I don't even have a resolution. That's pretty pathetic when you think about it. You don't make it past January 10th? It's sort of dumb to make a New Year's resolution. Like if you are resolved to do something different with your life, start now.

Like just start now. Just do it now. Just do it. Right now. Wait, is that a thing? What's that from? I've heard that before the thing about like that phrase and stuff is people are really really good at saying i'm gonna do this and what happens is you get a you get a the same dopamine hit about from talking about the thing you want to do as you do from actually going and doing something swear to god that's why that's why people do it that's why there's so many people that are like, oh, I'm going to do this.

You'll talk about it forever. Don't tell people and you don't need to prepare, blah, blah, blah. Just go start. Starting is the most important. Is it 21 days to create a habit? Yes, 21 days. And that's because there's actual physical pathways

in your brain that actually have to break down. Yeah, but then also your body becomes addicted to the process and to the dopamine. Everything that's released by working out. That's why I'm like, if you can do it for 21 days, there are good addictions in life. And that's one of them where you have to, your body craves it. So you have to go 21 days. Yeah.

When I, if I like don't work out for a couple days or something, like my body feels all tense and my legs feel bad. It's terrible. And I'm a better person for it. All right. Schlip says, did you guys see the bill to repeal the NFA? Don't,

doesn't someone introduce that like all the time though? Yes. The NFA. National Firearms Act. It's what makes a short barrel rifles, short barrel shotguns and suppressors federally regulated. By the way, though, did you see the news report today? There's 490 million privately owned guns in this country.

Get those numbers up. Those are rookie numbers. They are rookie. I said this is a nice start. Buy more guns and ammo. We should hit 500 million by July 4th. We're talking about 1.5 guns per person, if not even 1.3.

I think it's basically in the hands of like 100 to 110 million. I think it's what it... I think I own tattoos. Once you get one, you just can't stop getting them. I think I own probably like 50 something like that. Then you get into the... Then you start building them.

Haven't done that. Oh, it's fun. You gonna get a 3D printer? I wanted to build a macro of carbine. Yeah. Because haven't done that oh it's fun you're gonna get a 3d printer most of the no i well i wanted i wanted to build a macro of carbon carbine carbine yeah because a funny thing happened when uh like luke came over and then he was telling me like ammo prices are going up so you should stock up with some nine millimeter and then i just went on ammo.com i just clicked nine millimeter and i just like clicked the button a bunch and when it showed up up, it was Makarov and Soviet bullets. I think 3x18.

Luke and I looked at them and they were like, it's written in Cyrillic. And we were like, yeah, this is wrong. And then ammo.com emails me and they were like, we realize you probably weren't intending to buy Makarov at that scale. And I was like, you are correct, but it's okay. I want to keep them. And so I was just like, we just need

to make a weapon that uses them. AR-9. Did you make the weapon? Is that what uses them? No. Yeah, AR-9s are awesome. No, there's something called like a PA, what is it? PA something?

I don't know. You should either build or buy an AR-9. It sounds like a souped up.22. It has the same tiny bit more kick than a.22. The PA-63, was that it? They're a fun gun. AR-9s. AR-9s. I've got two Makarov handguns. They're Soviet.

I think it's the PA-63. Is that what it is? I don't know. Let me check. I'm looking at the... Yep. I got two of those. It's funny because it is miserably bad. They're ergonomic for the it's funny because it is miserably bad. They're ergonomic for the right hand only.

It looks miserably bad. It's miserably bad. It bites your hand. It hurts, and wearing a glove don't help. When we would go to the range, nobody would want to use it. And I'm like, well, that's the thing about the Soviets. They didn't care if it hurt. They just cared that it worked.

That it worked, yeah. Cheap gun, but the funny thing is it's right- about the Soviets. They didn't care if it hurt. They just care that it worked. That it worked. Yeah. Cheap gun. But, but the funny thing is right hand ergonomic. The, one of my funny stories is my wife one year gave me a gift certificate to local gun shop because I really wanted to get a nice hunting over under shotgun. And I went into the store and he's like, we don't have any. And he's like,

right now it's probably gonna be on back order. And then I saw a semi-auto MK 1919 assault 12-gauge shotgun. I was like, well, that looks fun. I'll buy that instead. Came home, I'm always like, I gave you a certificate to get a nice hunting shotgun, and you come home with this? I'm like, yeah. So then I went next level and bought a 20-round drum for it. It's a great gun.

MK 1919. It's been a while since I went to the range of these. 9x18. Is that what it is? 9x18 McElroy? Why did to the range of these. 9x18. Is that what it is? 9x18 Makaron? Why did I say 3? Yeah, 9x18. I've got...

It's the 410 shotgun that's AK style. Do you know what it's called? I don't. It's been a while. 410? Yeah. Well, there was a... And I got a 100-round drum on it.

Are you serious? Yeah. Those are 410. 410. So I'll sometimes go into the... Sega? I have a shooting range. Yeah, yeah. I think sometimes go into the shooting range.

Yeah, I think that's what it is. And I'll just load up the 20-round drum for the shotgun. You just unload it. Yeah, it's a 410 Sega, I think. Sega, they make AK-style shotguns in 410. They make them in all the ages. I think it's a 100-round 410 drum. It's huge, And it's silly.

And it's so much fun. Dude, they're heavy. What's wrong with it? When you fully load up those drums, it's heavy. It's a heavy gun. Fun. Yes. And then I got a, what, a KSG 25 is what it is? I got a lot of guns, Tim.

I do. I got a Barrett. I got a Barrett. Yeah, Luke was trying to get me to buy a miniature 9mm Gatling gun. And I was like, Luke, this is too much. It's too many. You need to buy at least one M16 fully auto rifle. You can buy them.

They're available. It's going to cost you like $40,000, $50,000 for a good one. But you should buy one. You need a stamp and all that. It takes forever. Well, yeah, but it does. But, I mean, you've got time. I don't have time. No, all you do is stamp and all that takes forever. Well, yeah, but it does. But, I mean, you've got time. I don't have time.

No, but all you do is fill out the paperwork and then they do all the stuff. You don't have to. It's not like you have to, like, jump through. Paperwork's crazy. It is a lot of paperwork. I don't have time. Seriously. They do it on purpose.

Yeah. Busy people, you can't do it. All right, where are we at? Where are we at? We'll grab a couple more Super Chats here. Let's jump all the way down. What do we got? I'm going to keep sending you.

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