Timcast IRL - DoD Branch Chief GOES ROGUE, Vows To RESIST Trump, Tulsi Refers Leakers For PROSECUTION w/ Five Times August

Episode Date: April 24, 2025

Tim, Phil, & Ian are joined by Five Times August to discuss a DoD branch chief being exposed saying he will resist Trump, Tulsi Gabbard referring government leakers for prosecution, Elon Musk hinting that he may be leaving DOGE, and Democrat launching a cringe "Dark Woke' campaign. Hosts: Tim @Timcast (everywhere) Phil @PhilThatRemains (X) Ian @IanCrossland (everywhere) Serge @SergeDotCom (everywhere) Guest: Five Times August @FiveTimesAugust (X, YouTube) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

James O'Keefe is back with a new leak this time, or not necessarily a leak, but an undercover interview from a Department of Defense branch chief who says that he is going to resist Donald Trump and Hegseth. And oh, boy, guys, I think this guy is going to go to jail. I don't know for sure, but going on camera, talking it up to people in public about your DOD work at a time when other big news, Tulsi Gabbard says she has referred leakers for criminal prosecution. And we just heard from Secretary Kristi Noem in an interview that I done with her that she is having DHS polygraph people

to weed out corruption. Then I see this story from James O'Keefe and I say, James, I think this guy might be investigated for criminal criminal activity, because while he's saying this stuff in public, the question is, what is he doing in private within the DOD to undermine the Trump administration? Then we're getting rumors that Elon Musk is leaving Doge. Now, some people are saying, yeah, he's literally just leaving. So his time is up. Others are saying he got into a screaming match WWE style. And this is the end. I never believe the salacious stuff because it's just life is boring. It's never

that crazy. But you know, maybe I guess. So we'll talk about that plus the rise of dark woke. Have you guys heard of dark woke? The Democrats are trying a new strategy where they're insufferable and they act like children and they're calling it dark woke. You try to talk, Brandon. It's stupid. They don't understand what authenticity is. They think swearing on TV makes them seem authentic. No, it just seems makes you seem ignorant.

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But I believe last before the show started, there was a couple dates left. So also don't forget to smash the like button, share the show with everyone you know. Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is 5xAugust. Hi, thanks for having me. Who are you? What do you do? Brad Skistumis, singer-songwriter for 5xAugust, creator of the Juicebox Jukebox, content creator, influencer to some degree on X, all sorts things what does five times august mean that name came from my birthday uh needing a band name uh august 5th so i was 18 at the time when i started and i was like i can't go by brad schistamus so i was like august 5th five times

august that sounds cool and uh you performed for us actually in the green room Green Room. I did. So he showed up, and we were like, no, you're not allowed to sit down. We handed him a guitar and said, play. And he was like, yes. And everyone was impressed. So if you go to rumble.com slash timcast IRL, that Green Room episode is for members only. Use promo code TIM10, and you can listen. It is really, really incredible.

Yeah, it's really good stuff. It's stunning, Brad. It is really good, man. I didn't know. I wasn't super familiar with your work in the early aughts, I guess you would say, you know, 2007, 8, 9, and really until more recently. And then we were listening to it at Iowa, at the Iowa caucus, and it's spectacular, dude. I could use much more profanity to describe how awesome it is. Well, go for it.

Fucking epic, dude. Thank you. It's really, really good. And you know that it's true because look at the way this man is dressed. that's he must be a rock star or something he's like i'm gonna wear my rainbow i just want to point out real quick uh this is ian crossland and as much as he's dressed like a lunatic the actual rock star is over here true well i'm surrounded by rock stars it's kind of fascinating phil labonte hello everybody my name is phil labonte i'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that remains my anti-communist and counter-revolutionary let's get into it eddie and crossland oh yeah yeah

and the last thing i was going to say is it's it's hard to describe music without someone actually being able to listen to the song it's like trying to describe a piece of food that someone's not tasting so five times august.com is that the website yeah check it out let's jump into this first story it's breaking news from james o'keefe draining the deep state. You know, this is this is crazy. D.O.D. branch chief calls President Trump illegitimate, vows to resist him. Everything he does claims Pete Hegseth is, quote, insanely young and unfit to lead. Nobody I know should be the secretary of defense. Quote, the same guy who tried to overthrow an election is just like truly setting us down a path of dictatorship. I think they don't care who they hurt.

Referring to Trump's administration. Now, we will get into the next bit of the story, but the reason why this one is so important is that you have this story. Tulsi Gabbard says she referred intelligence officials to DOJ over leaks. Then James O'Keefe drops this. I think this guy is going to get investigated. Let's play the clip. James O'Keefe here in Arlington, Virginia, in front of the Pentagon, the branch chief inside the Pentagon saying on hidden camera he's going to resist

against Trump and Hegseth. Now, since President Trump was elected and assigned Pete Hegseth as Secretary of Defense, the DOD has faced a number of leaks in the past few months from employees inside the Pentagon. There's some type of deep state forces that want to make sure you don't stay there. They've come after me from day one, just like they've come after President Trump. I mean, I've gotten a fraction of what President Trump got in that first term. The Secretary of Defense Pete Hexeth has been going on media interviews expressing that there are people within the Pentagon who want to resist the president and hurt his policies. I know exactly why I'm here, to rip out the insidious ideologies and not compromise and

not back down, to reestablish standards and accountability. Nicholas Terza, a branch chief within the DOD expressed dissatisfaction with his new boss, secret defense Pete Hexeth, claiming he is too young for the job. I'm assuming that your boss isn't Pete Hexeth. Ultimately, he is my boss. But this is insane. I actually know Pete He it you do like personally

this is so crazy like that's not a good reflection on me that's a bad reflection on trump like nobody i know should be the secretary of defense that's a weird thing to say because i i would ask like why you're like i i know kash patel i would never say no one i know should be running the FBI. Like, well, I don't know. I actually know a lot of veterans and security experts and law enforcement. That's like a weird thing to say. I do want to add this real quick to this. This is a clip from the interview I had with Kristi Noem that I think is pertinent to the Tulsi Gabbard and DOD leak story. Check this out. And one thing that, you know, in Homeland Security that we've been doing is we're polygraphing everybody. You know, we're kind of going hardcore. So I'm just,

you know, I don't trust anybody. And I, you know, we are polygraphing everybody. So if I had a CBP officer that was sitting there and facilitated child trafficking, first thing I'd do is put him on a polygraph and start building a case against him. So we've done that with people on our executive offices, heading up our biggest agencies, in our communications department. We've had all these leaks going on. We've polygraphed those individuals. If we think somebody is not on Team America, then, you know, I want to find out if you really understand that you're working for the people of this country? I love it. So nobody's done that before, but if I have the authority to do it, I'm going to do it to make sure. The deep state exists.

Oh, yeah. And I would say 10 years ago you could have told me, I would have been skeptical on that and thought, everybody's kind of seeing shadows. Boy, if anything has proven to me that it does and that there are people embedded in this government and that there are people that are facilitating crimes and criminal activity. I know that there are. And so we're going to make sure that we're doing all we can to clean house

and get people out of here that would facilitate something as horrific as that. This is actually a really interesting turn of events for me because it was just yesterday that I spoke with Christy Dome and she said, we've got people, the deep state is real, they're entrenched. She's specifically referring to guys like this, that James O'Keefe then, I believe just at 6.46 p.m. publishes this video. So while I have Kristi Noem literally saying we are trying to weed out these people through the DHS, you've got the DOD at the same time. There's the evidence. She was right the whole time. And they're polygraphing these people. By the way, we should get a polygraph for this office. That'd be hell yeah. Sure. And so she claimed that it's the people

that are doing, being illegal, doing illegal things. And that's a big problem. And I agree, but I think a lot of people can classify information as illegal. I think a lot of these people are doing legal things, but they're doing evil. And that's a big moral conversation about what's good, what's evil. We have religion and social morals to kind of dictate that. But people that use the law for evil are just as dangerous, if not more dangerous, than people that completely ignore the law. Maybe they're not quite that dangerous, more insidious. You can create and control entire civilizations with evil lawfare if you're if you're unopposed.

So that's a big challenge is to find out who in here is actually bent on. It's just these two these two perspectives about what's going to destroy the world. Is it him or is it me? No, it's actually simple. The American people have elected an administration, support the administration. Trump's approval ratings with the margin of error. And then you simply say, OK, I'm here to do my job for the American people. These people are ideological, ideologically driven, evil individuals who think they matter more than you.

There's like a civil disobedience is your right as an American. And, you know, but this isn't a civil thing. This guy's working for the military, the Department of Defense. So he's no longer a civilian. He's in and you're not really supposed to disobey your military. Let me let me let me show you some real quick, Ian. I tweeted this earlier,

and I think you made a point that warrants bringing this up. The top post on Change My View on Reddit is American conservatism is objectively a dangerous ideology and those associated with it do not deserve a platform. Conservatism is undeniably a dangerous ideology. It seeks to fundamentally destroy and undermine

democracy, targets minorities, has led to authoritarian regimes. At this point, who cares what else they said? Is the point not obvious to you, Ian? What point exactly? This individual who thinks conservatives are evil and destroying democracy and leading to authoritarianism has decided that authoritarianism and the end of democracy are the means by which you stop conservatives it's totally staring into the abyss that kind of mentality it's not staring into the abyss become the demon you hate so they're not fighting monsters they think they are well then they're psychopaths and so what do we what would you if you've got a guy and uh he's in

the military and he's armed and he's sent on a mission and they say this guy right here is kidnapped a bunch of women. We need to rescue them. They're they're American citizens. And he says, OK, we call that a warrior. What if that guy with the weapon was diseased, drugged up and out of his mind and running around shooting at random people would say that's a crazy person or an or a deranged lunatic that's how i would describe these people they're on no mission they're not going after any bad guys they are seeking to undermine the popular will of the people i think the concern that they're having and i i've thought of this a lot is people did vote for trump and they gave him the mandate

that doesn't mean they support carte blanche everything this guy's going to do from here on forward no it means that the polls right now show largely he has general support across the board. His approval ratings in aggregate are within the margin of error, or I should say about a point below the margin of error. He's sitting in aggregate RCP about minus four, which is. Give or take, you know, it's like 20 points higher than where Biden was or not 20, but 10 points higher. So right now, especially on immigration, Trump has the and that's the principal issue. Trump largely has the favor of the American people. But why is it then that these deep state people are undermining these individuals before they've even started their jobs?

I don't know. I think. What were you going to say? I'm wondering if when this guy says something like the same guy who tried to overthrow an election and he's he's having this one on one conversation with this person, if he really means that narrative, because obviously a lot of people don't believe in that narrative. And so when he's having to want this, do these people behind the curtain sincerely convince themselves of these narratives and then they have to commit to it even in these settings to keep it going? Does that make sense? You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah.

Believing your own lie kind of thing. You have to get to the point where you become so entrenched. It's either that or they're just brainwashed by the mass media and they don't question. You know, I have a really good example of something inane that I think represents even today the culture war. Me and me and me and the boonies homies were joking about launching a skateboard. Like, what are our new graphics going to be? And then I said, I got an idea.

Let's make a skateboard that's just white with black bold text saying, don't be gay. Everybody laughed because I'm joking. Right. And I laughed and I was like to be fair like we probably sell out of those would sell like hotcakes indeed um the the joke is the left has a meme that says be gay do crime and so my inversion of their joke is don't be gay now here's the thing um one of the guys i'm not going to call him out but he was like i don't know man people are gonna get real mad at us for something like that. And then I was like,

why are they allowed to say be gay, do crime? And we can't say don't be gay. This is the world we live in. Even to this day, people are walking on eggshells around these lunatics. You know, it's a joke. We're not literally insulting gay people. It's meant to be an inversion of the left's meme. But there are genuinely people who are concerned. You have to be in that world. Even to this day, it is a cult and people fear the cult because they're violent. So you take a look at religious groups. You take a look at, we'll give two examples. You've got Scientology, you've got Islam. There are a lot of people that have talked about how if you're a Scientologist

and you speak ill of them, then they come and they do bad things to you. I don't really know a lot about what they do, but you guys have heard stories like that. I was just about to make a video about – because they hired me one time, and I'm going to talk some crap about Scientology. They hired me in 2007, me and my girlfriend. They cast us. We were cast to play married couple. And we went to there and we said, we've been married for five years or whatever. For what?

For what? For Scientology so that they could show people the right to marriage. It was one of their tenets, the right to marriage. They had us lie to promote marriage. Crazy religion. Just so we don't get off point, but then you also have Islam where you've had people who drew pictures of Muhammad get killed. People will, news organizations don't show Muhammad.

South Park did a really great example of this. An episode of South Park depicted Jesus, Muhammad, and I can't remember who else. Do you guys remember? It was like three people. Buddha? Yes. Maybe. depicted uh jesus muhammad and i can't remember who else do you guys remember it was like three people buddha yes maybe and then when and then later on like 10 years later they want they had already depicted muhammad in the show but after the charlie hebdo incident they wanted to bring muhammad back on the show and comedy central would not let them so they censored the whole thing and then when stan was doing his monologue about what he learned it just bleeped they just bleeped the

whole thing out didn't they didn't didn't they want to put muhammad in a bear costume and tell people that it was muhammad in the bear costume they weren't allowed they wouldn't allow them to show the bear costume yeah yeah that muhammad was in yeah yep and so that that's the point even to this day people are still scared of this cult faction and it's not necessarily because they have the political power to crush you. Right now, Trump has the establishment power. It's because they're deranged, violent lunatics who will cause you harm and nobody wants to be confrontational. And I think people are also trained over the last eight years to keep their mouth shut and not violate the COVID narrative or other things that get you censored offline. So there's still a lot of this chilling that people are thawing. Do you think that that do you think

it's still thawing or do you think that i it's my sense that that's over and there are people that are extremely uh enthusiastically saying the taboo things nowadays i bet it's just like when water boils part of that water turns into gas first and then other parts of the water will start to turn to gas that's the that's the heat you're you're someone that's already slapped it away and you're like hot. But some people are still warming up and getting out of that state of mind. Let's jump to this next story from Newsweek. Carrying on this train of thought, Tulsi Gabbard says she referred intelligence officials to the DOJ over leaks. Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard says she's referred to intelligence community professionals to the DOJ over leaks from the Justice Department. She told Fox News Digital on Wednesday that she's planning to refer a third shortly.

I look forward to working with the DOJ and the FBI to investigate, terminate, and prosecute these criminals. I love it. Right to jail. Kristi Noem said something similar about individuals. They have leakers, and they're going to be investigating and going after these individuals. The Defense Department has come under fire

after Pete Hegseth and other top Trump officials engaged in a single group chat. Blah, blah, blah. We get it. Gabbard said those who leak classified information will be found and held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. This is amazing because with the people like that guy, the branch chief from the DOD that James O'Keefe has just exposed. Criminally charging them for the crimes they committed. I'm not saying going after going after whistleblowers. I'm saying if somebody is leaking classified information, you criminally charging them for the crimes they committed i'm not saying going after going after whistleblowers i'm saying if somebody is leaking classified information you criminally charge them and then let all the other weird woke cultists in the deep state know you will go to jail all the same for leaking information that's an important part it's not just about getting the dude that

did the actual you know leak the information or. It's about making it clear to other people that might decide, oh, I'm going to take on Trump and I'm going to resist, thinking that it's, you know, 2017 or 2018. This is a different administration. And this administration will prosecute you if you break the law. We will put you in jail. And the evidence is they're prosecuting people and putting them in jail or or the very least they're they're finding those people and firing them at the at the minimum but i would like to see prison time we were talking before

in the green on the green room all i'm waiting for yeah that's we were like where's cash patel where are these why are these people so quiet in three months i think that they're in there rooting out the the leakers right now there's a lot of like turnover and like remember remunerative let me remember that remember dan bongino tweeted about this like maybe a month ago he said look i know there are people that are saying hey where's the results where's the results remember just because you're not seeing it on the internet doesn't mean it's not happening happening we're working on a scene small room with a steel table and a low lamp and dan bongino's leaning in, talking to Pam Bondi, Cash Patel, Pete Hegseth. And he says, he slides a piece of paper, pictures on it.

He says, these are the guys we're going after. It's going to take time. They got to investigate. It's been only a few months. So people are expecting scenarios like that where, you know, I assure you it's probably very mundane. Cash is going to walk into the office and Dan's going to be there and be like oh can you take a look at this form he's going to look and it's like oh okay so this guy was leaking to the press

like okay that's really bad alright let's go over this it's probably very mundane and they're probably working there's a lot of paperwork but also if you really do think there's a deep state yo Cash and Dan are going to come out and just like here's a list of names of people we're going after we've built a case in three months we walked walked in the door. We had all the evidence. We were done.

Nah, I think they're working on. I talked with Gorka about this. We're putting that interview up tomorrow. But he was basically like, Cash was a victim of this. And Dan has dedicated himself to weaning out this corruption. It will happen. And I asked him, I was like, you're basically warning the deep state right now. We are coming for you. They know. Of course they know. So I give them all the benefit of the doubt that I can muster up. They've got four years to do something, but I really do expect something to happen within this year. I could see them for two years, all they're really, I mean, the FBI, that's the FBI's job is to weed out internal corruption, more or less, you know, solve internal crimes and things. Two years of this, and I'm concerned a little bit about the

Trump administration's, you know, their whole purview and like what they're going to be able to accomplish, because then the rest of the time, they're just worried about it's like they're trying to just to put out fires, they're trying to fix problems bloated governance mass illegal migration which is like if you let them in illegally how are we supposed to get them out legally you let them in illegally like so trump's toying with like we're not going to even have trials for these people we're just did you know that they don't get trials to begin with um illegal immigrants do they have to what i thought that was like immigration courts no immigration court is for people who have visas and came here legally and then are facing an end of their visa or a violation of the terms of their immigration.

People who come here illegally, like crossing to the border, get what's called expedited removal. They don't even get a hearing. They are taken. They is determined by ICE. That is the normal legal process. So Donald Trump said, why would we give them trials? We don't have time for that. And the media is twisting it and trying to create the impression among the American people that trials are a normal thing that happens for all illegal immigrants, which has never been the case. The only people who get the Supreme Court has argued specific hearings for those under the Alien Enemies Act because those people are going to a prison and not simply being deported.

Trump still has full authority to deport anybody under expedited removal processes, which is if ICE determines that you're an illegal immigrant. Bye. That's it. If they hadn't all been let in illegally there, I would be I'd be much more obsessed with doing a legal extradition extra whatever you want to call it illegal extradition no no legally getting them out through some legal process i know i mean technically it is but like one guy to go they're a terrorist organization now trust me now get out of the country that's why they that's why they get hearings and the trump admin has actually been

dropping charges against some of these individuals because they can now it's easier to deport them if they don't do that it's not not. The terrorist organization part is secondary. If they're illegal immigrants, get them out. Right? Like put as much pressure on them as you can from as many different ways as you can for either to pick them up. The government can pick them up or get them to leave. Go after the people that are hiring them. So that way they can't work.

Put a couple businesses out of business because they hired too many illegals and that'll fix your problem with hiring illegals real quick but it's got to happen that way because there aren't enough if there if there has to be a hearing for every single illegal that comes that we wanted to deport or that the government administration wants to deport then you're not ever going to deport enough people you don't have enough courts it'll take forever it'll take and't want kangaroo courts. That's why they're doing it. That's why they're doing it. And so the Trump administration, Donald Trump didn't say, I am ending the standard practice of trials for illegal immigrants. He said, we don't do this. We've never done this. Why would we do it now? And the New York Times

falsely framed it and manipulated the context. And they've got Democrats coming out saying Trump is trying to take criminal trials away from people as if he's talking about Americans now because they're scumbag liars. And this is all they do. They lie all day. And if you call them a liar because they're lying, they call you conservative or right wing. You're very far right. Apparently, I'm so far right, I'm far left. Let's dance in the middle somewhere. Left and right these days are, it's true and false. Left is false, right is true. That's it. Like, are you good or evil?

Are you lawful or chaotic? That's what I want to know. I think the modern day conservative is like a 90s Democrat. I understand what you're saying, but I, colloquially, I don't agree. There are a lot of modern conservatives who are 90s Democrats, but Ben Shapiro certainly is not. Steven Crowder certainly is not. Those guys have some of the biggest platforms in conservative media, and they are staunch conservatives. I think the narrative of the 90s Democrat is largely because of Trump.

But if you were to look at the right, the quote unquote right, and try and figure out what brings them together, how is Jimmy Dore far right? I'm not kidding. The leftists call him alt right and far right. The dude's a literal socialist. He advocates for socialist policy. He's right wing because he believes in the truth. Because he'll tell you, like, Trump never did that. And then they go, oh, you're defending Trump.

And he's like, no, I'm telling you the truth. It's like, that's right wing. You know, if you look out into the universe, it's a sphere. We're inside of a sphere. They call it, you can see the cosmic microwave background on this sphere. Everywhere you look, it's the universe. And it's like these people are in a universe of right wing. And there are these liberal bubble inside this right.

So everywhere they look, if it's not in their little bubble, it's right wing. Exactly. bubble inside this right so everywhere they look if it's not in their little bubble it's right wing exactly it basically became the the woke left and then everybody else on that other side is uh conservative it is conservative and but but you know what i think the woke left is very small but their sphere they have control over a lot of people they've got the megaphone and and the people that are on the left are terrified to speak up because they're scared of being not left. They're so desperate to call themselves left wing and so scared of being called right wing. It truly is the epitome of cowardice to fear being called right wing. The brand right wing has now been so tarnished that there are people that associate that with just say if you're right

wing then you must be a fascist and people associate the term fascist with nazis these are all they're all uh equivalent in there in in a lot of people's heads and it's they're not the same at all but that's the way specifically center center kind of center center left people that's what the way they perceive it that's why when the far left or the left you know call people nazis and blah blah blah everyone's terrified of being of being called those things i mean it's just a name like any other insult but i do think it's waning i do too i agree but yeah more and more it's like i don't know what that means anything yeah like your race is like oh i don't know what that means like when they started calling

jewish people nazis yeah i was like i'm i'm confused now and i'm not talking about zionists you you know is it jews people i'm talking about literally like they started calling conservative jewish people in the united states nazis and i'm just like i i don't know where you're at i i don't know what you think you You're a cult. It's certainly maddening when people are found to put swastikas on other people's cars and they're like, you're a Nazi. And then they put a swastika on the car. Like, yo, bro, if you put the swastika on the guy's car, you're the Nazi. You're the one that's- The point I was making is using force and threat, whatever the imagery is, and then

calling someone else a pejorative. That's- The point I was making before is, if they really thought you were a Nazi for having a Tesla, and they spray painted the swastika on your car, I'm imagining the Nazi walking out of his house being like, hey, what are you doing? And they're like, I'm spraying a swastika on your car. And the Nazi goes, oh.

I didn't have the balls to do it. Oh, thank you. I was going to get to it later, but I appreciate you doing it for me. So we'll do it better, because that one looks like crap. Yeah. But Carl Benjamin made a great point. When I tweeted this, he said the implication in everything they do is that they know you are not a Nazi. And they are doing that to make you angry because you are not.

They are basically saying fall in line or we will other you. And the Zoomers nowadays, they don't care they do not they're not afraid of the word racist they're not afraid of being called nazi they do not care at all the the power of those words is totally depleted when it comes to to the younger generations they don't care at all i think trump just stopped the war with iran too like the nazis weren't really into stopping wars. They were really about winning them all, taking as much land as they could. Nazis were definitely a, you know, that's a part of fascism is being fairly militaristic.

This like, OK, so the reality we're in right now, this United States has been hijacked for 100 years by the global banking order, essentially 1913 Federal Reserve. And then mass illegal immigration. We're in a place where like the law paperwork isn't going to solve this problem unless you want to say gold's worth $60,000 an ounce, which you guys mentioned last night. Like what do you think? Do you think Trump should just wartime powers, emergencies, mass deportation, get them out. It's unprecedented, man. It's never happened before. This is a new thing because Abe Lincoln, very limited in scope. And there was a different planet back then.

Wait, wait, wait. 20 million illegal immigrants. What are you talking about? Abe Lincoln suspending habeas corpus. That wasn't the only thing he did. He did a lot more than that. He was also literally in a physical war, overseeing a physical war at the time, locally. No.

Which, well well he was leading the north in the civil war before the abraham lincoln was uh actually inaugurated seven states seceded from the union and then union troops were in fort sumter in south carolina and they said union troops evacuate the union refused so he was he came in and under his leadership a war began started the war he wasn't he attacked them because they were trying to leave uh no no no they attacked the union the union troops were in fort sumter claiming it is their federal base and south carolina said it's our territory and leave so the south actually i don't think we know who fired the first right it's kind of like i'm not touching you i'm not touching you like that's what the north my point is abraham lincoln wasn't facing

uh bullets flying in chaos until he decided like it takes two to tango and i don't think it's fair to say the union or the south necessarily started the conflict i know some people have their perspectives my point is that the actions he took were not based upon bullets flying until he took actions which resulted in bolts flying so you could say that refusing to leave fort sumter initiated conflict or because we don't know who actually fired the first shot then you're the battle of bull run the point is that dude did a lot of stuff and basically everything he did was was unprecedented and unconstitutional trump trump with his wartime power thing it's it's i thought that the cartels were like a foreign terrorist organization, an insurgency in the country like we should, you know, militarily defend against it if we need to, because they've been attacking us with drugs and human trafficking, fentanyl, running kids across the border for a month for sale and other horrible things. I don't know, but this is what I've heard.

So like, yeah. And the war in Ukraine, technically, we're not at war, but you could consider our country at war since we've been funding this war in Ukraine. We're at war. We have been at war since the Ukraine thing kicked off. And since we started, since we've been funding it. But like what, how hard do you take it? Because the whole world's watching. Everything's been recorded.

Whatever he does will be precedent for what comes next. So if Joe Rogan had this clip from one of his last shows and he was basically saying there's a lot of people saying just round them up, get them all out there, send them all to El Salvador. And it's wrong because what happens in the next president gets in? Well, Joe is wrong. Joe is right about the fact that we can't just round people up and send them all without due process. Right. But I think Joe doesn't understand one, the due process for illegal immigrants is literally ice checks your information and then you leave. You don't get a hearing. This is not normal. Not every illegal immigrant gets hearings. That's the due process. The due process is, are you a citizen? No. Well, goodbye. They like give them a chance to go to their house and collect their stuff.

And then they're not expedited removals. OK some so if uh if you enter illegally or forge documents it's expedited removal you don't get a hearing if you're here legally and then violate the terms of immigration you can get a hearing you can appeal um and then you've got um for the aea which is accusing you of actually being part of a criminal organization a terrorist organization the supreme court says you must have an actual hearing for that so if you want to get an appeal it has to be you are actually being part of a criminal organization, a terrorist organization. The Supreme Court says you must have an actual hearing for that. So if you want to get an appeal, it has to be you are actually arguing that your legal immigration status is being wrongfully terminated or something. But here's the problem with what Joe is saying. This idea of the next president is going to do it to you. They already did. Yeah. The i administration stripped j6s of their due process rights

imprisoning people didn't uh the judges were denying their access to evidence they were charged on false stat on on wrong they were wrongly charged on false statutes let's just say this of the j6s who were charged for um for obstructing of an official proceeding which i believe was um maybe 20 or 20 percent or so or less. That charge was wrong. The Supreme Court said you can't charge him with that. That's a violation of their due process. They were denied access to the surveillance footage from the Capitol. Forty one thousand hours was withheld for years with these people sitting in solitary confinement. That means every single Jay Sixer had their due process rights violated because they're supposed to have constitutionally access to the evidence.

And it was denied to them until the Republicans got in and gave the tapes to Tucker Carlson. Then they were able to give the evidence. So the Biden administration has the Democrats can and will violate your rights the moment they get power. So the question is, what is the Trump administration going to do right now? The Democrats can and will violate your rights the moment they get power. So the question is, what is the Trump administration going to do right now? And it looks like they're going after leakers. And I'm hoping Cash and Dan actually do their jobs. But let's jump to this next story from Politico.

Doge loses its biggest advocate as Musk exits Washington. I don't know if I don't know if I believe it. Elon Musk claimed that his job in Washington is mostly done, may calm Tesla shareholders, but his departure could snap the Doge of its disruptive energy, even as it continues to make major cuts to the federal workforce. In an effort to reassure rattled Tesla shareholders after a bruising first quarter, Musk told investors this week that his round-the-clock involvement in Doge will soon be scaled back to just a day or two per week. The message to

the markets was clear musk is refocusing on his companies he's doing the math so he's a special government employee which means he's allowed to work 130 days a year so he's already put in 90 he's got like 40 more days he's actually allowed to work so that's what he's doing he's spreading out those days over the next year he's going to come in once a week, check things out. How many days? 130. We're on what? Day 92, 3? If he officially started on the 20th of January, yeah. Just about that. I didn't do the math exactly.

But he knows he's coming up. We've already passed the first 100 days. And if he's worked since Trump has been in office, he's definitely passed the first 100 days. Okay. It makes sense that now he's stepping... the first 100 days. Yeah, okay. It makes sense that now he's stepping... I thought that...

It's 94 days. 94 days? Yeah, we're at 94 and Elon started almost immediately. So he's still got a couple months. Yeah, he's got about

another 30 days to work. So he's going to spread that out. He's been saying that May is when he was planning on leaving anyways. So it's close. It's around the time that he's been talking about leaving. So he wasn't going to be there for extended periods of time.

I don't know how he takes care of all those kids. I don't think he does. Someone else. I don't think that's going on right now. I'm like, I got one. Yeah. And my wife is working extremely hard. And I'm working 10 hours

a day but i'm but you know i'm helping with what i can and i'm and how do you do more than one at a time i mean maybe once the first one's a little bit older and can help with the other one but elon's got 14 known kids 14 kids now i think i think it's 14 he's got a lot of nannies and he's also like the mothers take care of the kids he doesn't like grimes takes care of um the kids that elon has if i understand except for x um elon's one of the mothers is an executive at neuralink i believe yeah and she's in texas with him then there's well i random other ones i gotta say as much as i do appreciate the tech work that he does, the Doge work that he does,

we'll do a compliment sandwich here. Elon, SpaceX is fantastic. This work is transformative and it's great for humanity. Then we're gonna, I think his kids statistically will be drug users and criminals based on the fact that they don't have a dad. And then we'll finally, we'll say Tesla is an amazing company. I'm a huge fan.

I own three. So we'll give him a compliment. Something he said about his oldest. Was it his oldest kid? He said that he said that his son or his daughter became a transition. And then he said it was the woke mind virus had killed his child. And he was saying, like, my child is dead. He was saying things like that.

And that's like, firstly, parents don't say that about their kids unless you're not really their parent that's okay to say though because they don't want you to to what's called dead name them so once they've made the transition your old name is the dead name of them and if you use it it's offensive to them so for for elon is technically correct there and saying that his son is dead but that's like him accepting this narrative that my new name is real and my old name is no longer it's like bro you're both dude you can you're still you that's that's not how trans people think and also that there's so much animosity between uh elon's trans child and elon it's uh it's like it's not my business or whatever to to comment on but he's spoken very very critically or they've both spoken very critically of each other. I feel horrible trashing on anything Elon's doing because I'm with you on this, Tim.

He's a phenomenal human being. And a lot of the great people in history aren't known for their awesome personalities. They were dickheads or they were horrible, abusive, raging, alcoholic, violent. But they did amazing things for society. A lot of war leaders. Yeah, you praise the good you you criticize the bad i mean trump's not known for being a strong family man but he's got a good family i mean like i don't know how many baby mamas he's got but right he's routinely criticized how many trump kids are really out there well you know i think

how many he's got what five kids i thought this today but his kids are actually all pretty great to be completely honest yeah like having having met met them they're successful smart well-rounded I don't know he's done a good job despite the fact I will say this I believe that you should be married once you should not get divorced you should have kids and you work together with your partner I'm not a fan of divorce or multiple baby moms well I was thinking about it today in this product because I listened to you talk more about that on show that you were like death before dishonor and you pulled up the ring of power I was like about it today in this product because I listened to you talk more about that on the show. You were like, death before dishonor. And you pulled up the ring of power.

I was like, fuck yeah. The ring of power. My wedding ring. The world, Elon says, the world needs more people. Okay, on its face, yeah, I guess. But we don't need more psychopaths. So poorly raised children that can turn violent are actually worse for the planet. With the mental powers of Elon Musk.

Oh my gosh. You still need a foundation as a kid though even if your dad's elon musk you need that foundation to be secure for yourself otherwise you have 14 you know half elon musk's that would it be like a wild story if uh elon's transgender son ended up becoming like a very prominent political leader with millions of followers rivaling the influence of elon oh shit he's created i have don't give him any ideas my father's property left we'll do that tomorrow and i'm not saying that his kids are psychopaths i'm not saying i'm just saying kids without parents turn out to be generally have a rougher existence of the world higher higher likelihood without a father specifically to be a criminal or drug user. That was the point I was making earlier.

And I don't think we necessarily need more fatherless. I mean, in a world where there's no kids and it's a tribe of nine of us, yeah, have as many kids as you possibly can, whether you see them again or not. Maybe that's Elon's mentality, considering the fertility is at like 1.3. And this is a huge problem people in this country he's like i'll take care of it here's 14 i mean hey he's pulling his weight you know i i guess i guess pomp and circumstances out the window when you're dealing with the extinction of humanity let's be real like it really does on the surface look like elon's principal concern for everything

is human extinction that's why he wants to colonize mars and why he wants many many babies he's like there's not enough humans population is shrinking i'm gonna do everything i can so he has tons of babies then he goes if the earth gets hit by hit by like an asteroid or something humanity is wiped out so we got to colonize mars so we're interplanetary so we can't go extinct and he's like my my kid's first. So that's been his whole agenda the whole time. It's like, I'm going to make a bunch of babies, then send them to space. And then it's like, not Mars anymore.

It's like, what's Mars? Wouldn't it be kind of creepy, but also really funny if the first ship to Mars, he just abruptly at the last minute puts all of his kids on it and then sends it to Mars. And they're like, wait, those people weren't on the flight manifest. What are you doing? And he's like, my kids will survive. And they go to Mars. Then he just has like a whole bunch of musks.

Like there's like 40 kids on Mars. All related to him. The Optimus robots taking care of him. Yeah. I mean, that's actually pretty crazy. If we get those Optimus robots, like the Atlas robots. If we get autonomous robots sent to Mars, they can start building. Well, that's what his plan is.

He literally said that the end of next year, his plan is to have a starship with Optimus robots go to Mars. That's his goal. I don't know if he's going to make it because there's only, I think it's every two years, is there a window to actually get to Mars. So if he misses this one, it's going to be another three years from now until they can actually make another attempt. Didn't he offer, was it like $15 million or something? What was that story to Ashley St. Clair?

I was thinking about her just now while we were talking. He just posted today that we haven't been to Mars in like 55 – sorry, we haven't been to the moon. We haven't been to the moon in 50 – however many years it's been, 55, something like that. That's been my thing with Elon. I'm like, why don't you just go to the – You mean we've never been to the moon? Well, exactly. I'm like thinking like – well, I'm not because I'm saying how – why doesn't he try to go to the moon well exactly i'm like thinking like oh well i'm not because i'm saying how why doesn't he try to go to the moon first if why doesn't he just return to where we've been

that is the plan the plan is to establish a base on the moon which is the launching point for the trips to mars that'd be cool because we can build a space elevator on the moon first according to um michael lane who runs liftport who's been working on a space elevator for 15 years out of nasa yeah he said that the lunar gravity is so much lower that you can actually get a geosynchronous orbital platform up there and get a tether down to the lunar surface. And then what happens is like, here's the moon, here's the earth, and there's a tether, but the tether isn't connected to the earth. So as the moon spins around, there's this gigantic 30 feet, 30 foot wide cable that just swings at like 500 miles an hour just

slamming into everything and just ripping it to shreds and destroying it sick the the lunar tether yeah you don't want to get snapped by that thing i don't know how this elevator actually would work it would be like a platform with then it's more complex than this but you could look up space elevator to get a good look and then literally a tether down to a base station where it's tethered and and because it's it's held in space. It would actually be like a relatively small cable. Or a series of cables. I kind of envision like 60 different cables with 60 different elevators all going up and down.

Is the platform like moving 1,000 miles an hour through the atmosphere? It's moving at exactly the same speed. They call it geosynchronous because it's at the same speed of the rotation of the planet. So basically it's just floating. Exactly. And you just you just like do you take a ship up to it yeah an elevator of some sort you could use ballast connected to the earth wouldn't have to be moving faster to stay over the same spot um

probably yeah moving a different speed to maintain but is it connected to the moon yeah by tether yeah by two so we're literally you're saying we're connecting the moon to the earth no no the moon to a platform above the moon, about 30 miles up or something. And then there'll be eventually a platform above earth with a tether down to the earth. So you'd go from platform to platform. So you wouldn't have to get through gravity every time you launch. Oh, I see. So we have, like on earth, there's a massive tower that goes into space?

Yeah. Probably like, I think 60 different elevators all at once. So it'd be a huge like you know football field 10 football field size place in mexico or something where it's close enough right at the right position there's areas of earth where geosynchronicity becomes viable like and they're usually just above and below the equator so like mexico would be a good spot um that's why we do our launches out of florida closer to the equator is better more speed i've been ever since civilization when i saw the the space elevator is one of the wonders you could build

i was i didn't even never heard of it but uh so we're gonna do that on the moon it's my my daughter is going to i was explaining this to my wife that one of her uh homeschooling assignments is going to be one hour of civilization four every day yeah i heard the new one's terrible leonard leonard nimoy explaining science and math to my child um oh that's awesome the new one's terrible. Leonard Nimoy explaining science and math to my child. Oh, that's awesome. The new one apparently is no good. I was just thinking about Ashley St. Clair again. Do you guys want to?

I feel like I'm violating her privacy. Here we go. We got this story from the New York Times. What is dark woke? Democrats are trying on a new attitude. It's provocative, edgy, and perilously towing the line of not being too offensive. In other words, cringe, cringe. Basically, the dark woke videos is literally just them cussing, like because they don't understand authenticity. Quote, Republicans have essentially put Democrats

in a respectability prison, says Bhavik Lathia, communications consultant and former digital director for the Wisconsin Democratic Party. There's an extreme imbalance in strategy that allows Republicans to say stuff that really grabs voters' attention, where we're stuck saying boring pablum. I see this as a strategic shift within the Democratic messaging. I'm a big fan of dark woke. Okay, let me, it's a dark woke. Okay, let me explain something to you. When I say something like, if I criticize Elon, Elon still follows me. And if I criticize a prominent conservative, Elon still follows me. And if I criticize a prominent conservative, they just debate me. But on the left, when you disagree with them, they destroy your life.

So that means there's more opportunity for people on the right to experiment with, to say their ideas. Not even experiment. But someone on the right can say something like, I think we should build an alligator moat on the border. If a conservative came out right now and said, I'm dead serious, I want an alligator moat along the southern border. No one's going to cancel that person. If on the left, you said something more extreme, like we should, you know, we should just cut out all of the trans stuff because it's hurting us politically. They will cancel you. This is the problem with the left not swearing. So now you got all these videos where one woman screaming, this is and problem with the left, not swearing. So now you got all these

videos where one woman screaming, this is bullshit. She's in Congress saying BS over and over again. Like that's not authenticity. They're trying to appear like they're normal people by swearing instead of just saying what people think. So I got to tell you, when people all kind of think something and you say it, they laugh and go, yeah, I was thinking the same thing. But if they're thinking of something and then you lie to them and then swear they don't all of a sudden just agree with you um one of the things that's that's a good point a great point you catch more flies with honey more than you do with vinegar you catch more flies with shit that's also probably true um i think uh jordan p this is a fascinating thing about jordan peterson

and joe rogan's show i watched about an hour of it is jordan was saying the he's thinking about tyranny a lot and he's like what's the opposite of tyranny and he came up with it's play it's it's play it's it's playing that's where it's consensual um and it's brings about this like kind of growth for people kids do it and i think that's what's on the right in the conservative movement. It's fun. It's playful. Even Donald Trump is playful.

He winks and points at people. He's not taking anything too seriously, like deathly serious, of course, deadly serious because it's the world is prostrate in front of us Americans. We need to help. But they're also having fun. And on the left,

in this other environment, it's like it's just not OK to have fun right now because everybody's hurting and we need to just suffer with me. Bro, you need to get out of that tyrannical mindset. They don't know how to relate. They're just so detached from the real world that this is the kind of stuff that they come up with. And it's usually a weird spinoff of like Dark came from Dark Brandon and then they took – was it Dark Brandon?

Yeah. And then, and then, but the conservative right came up with the dark thing. And then they took it and turned it. Oh, Dark MAGA. It was Dark MAGA.

And then it became Dark Brandon. Yep. And they put the laser eyes on Joe Biden. And now they're turning it into Dark Woke. And they think that that's relatable.

Indeed, it's not. We're going to think that that's relatable. Indeed it's not. We're going to say cuss words now. This one was popular. Use it again. Yeah. No, it's not. You got to actually play. You got to show that there's joy at the other side of the road, man,

or no one's going to walk in with you. I don't know what joy is, though. That's the thing. Like those people back there, they're like, aren't you feeling joy? Aren't you feeling joy? Praise God! This is what I was saying about Jimmy Dore in the previous segment. He's right wing. Aren't you feeling joy? Aren't you feeling joy? Praise God!

This is what I was saying about Jimmy Dore in the previous segment. He's right wing. It's like, why is he, why are the left call Jimmy Dore right? Because he's outside their bubble. Because he's talking about what is true and what is not. It's not about whether you're for laissez-faire capitalism or socialism or racial identitarianism or whatever, be it left or right or anti-white or pro-white. It's literally, do you march in lockstep with us or not? So to be authentic and on the right, you can literally give any opinion so long as your facts are rooted in reality, because that's what tethers the right together. Oh, yes, Trump did not say

very fine people. You know, he Trump did not say very fine people. You know, he didn't call Nazis very fine people. That never happened. You can then criticize him saying, I don't think he did enough in response to this. And the response from a conservative is going to say, well, I disagree. I think he did what he could by condemning it.

And people are allowed to protest. No, no, you're wrong. But we agree on what the fact is. And the fact is Trump never said that. To the left, how do you have an authentic conversation when you have to maintain lies and everyone else knows you're lying? You're going to come out and say Trump was wrong for saying Nazis are fine people. And they're going to go. He never said that.

Well, you're a right wing. Why are you defending Trump? And it's like because this is not true. Well, that's what I was asking about with that first guy that was on recorded for O'Keefe Media is when he says what he says about Trump fixing the election, or he's trying to overthrow the election, he's taking a narrative that was all agreed upon on that side, and feeding it some more. And that's why I'm like, do they do they really? Do they just have a psychological thing in them that says, okay, this is the narrative now, and I will stick with it, even in personal-on-one conversations, and we'll just keep pretending that this is the narrative? Or how does it get there?

You know what I mean? I think that's it. I think that's it. They just slide into the narrative and go. I'm going to get my food from, so I'm going to defend anything they tell me to say. This guy is just trying to get laid? There's that too. Yeah. going to defend anything they tell me to say this guy's just trying to get laid there's that too yeah imagine imagine talking about subverting the will of the american people and potentially

committing crimes because you're trying to hook up with some chick hey baby hey that's that's the joke about james o'keefe we always bring up it's like these guys think they're going to get some by going like hey you want to hear about some corporate malfeasance i'm involved in yeah and no i think it's like a form of i don't know if psychopathy is the right word, psychopathy. It's a buzzword these days, you know, Jordan talking about psychopaths, but that we as humans. He's talking about Candace Owens and he's mad at her.

We've got to get into like states of psychopathy to do certain behaviors, like wartime, war fighting. If you believe your neighborhood is going to be destroyed by some external tribe and they're going to kill everyone you know and you you have to go fight them that's ancient history and you have to be the most ruthless aggressive to stop it and that is like you got to switch your brain and be like they're bad i'm what i am is good because it will preserve life and it's that that phenomenon still exists in humanity and i think it's showing up in people like this they're like they create this narrative or narrative is foist upon them and then they they think this good and binary you know um fight or flight it's like a it's a very primal yeah well a lot of a lot of

what happened and where we're at now with stuff like this is you mentioned Jimmy door. He became right throughout COVID and that Nazi narrative came out through COVID. It was hammered every day. If you don't adhere to the COVID narrative, then you are on that side and that side turned into conservative right-wing. And so I can tell you from going to so many rallies and events that were against those times, those events were filled with people from every side of the coin. And it was a mix of people.

It wasn't a conservative right event. It was, you know, Democrats, libertarians, right? We said, we're coming together for a common cause. But the left is is dictating who or in this context, the left is dictating who is and is not a right wing. And essentially, they're just saying that it's people that don't align with us, that don't follow our whether it be the liberal orthodoxy like Tim talks about, whether it's the they don't follow the same kind of lockstep with the same kind of ideas and stuff. That's why you saw people at these rallies that were so very different, you know, politically from different backgrounds. It was just someone that stepped out of line. And so now Jimmy Dore steps out of line.

So they say you're other, you So they say, you're other. You're outside of, you're not in our in-group anymore. So we'll call you all the names. But there's no substance to anything they're talking about. So what's, the question is, where does that come from? What's the genesis of that, when those narratives come through? Who came up with woke, dark, oh, what is this? Dark, woke?

Someone who's an idiot. That came from somewhere though, right? It came from the dark Brandon memes. Apparently they feel like that worked. It's just derivative. It was dark MAGA and it was Trump with glowing red eyes and they were like, yeah, well we're dark Brandon and now it's dark woke. They're just ripping off the right every day.

What people need to realize is that the left didn't know how to mean like when the meme when memes emerged, it was all right wing because right wing people didn't care about offending anybody to a certain degree that Democrats were too afraid to offend people. So this means that online people were making Pepe memes and some were extremely offensive intentionally and people thought it was funny to be shockingly offensive. And the left was like, we can't do that. We can't do that.

So then all the memes that are emerging came out of 4chan and the Donald was the name of the subreddit. That's where memes were largely originating from. The left has started to learn how to meme a little bit by attacking the right. But it is derivative of memes the right created a long time ago, like Wojcik's, for instance, were a 4chan thing largely. And they're now trying to adopt that. It's all derivative. They can't come up with anything original. They are NPC Muppets that are struggling to figure out what they represent. And that's why the party has no leadership. Yeah, if you ask someone to prove some of the stuff they say about Trump and they have to, their

evidence is the TV told me that's not very good. And I think what's happening is they're defending what they think is the American way of life, whether whatever, they think that if we just hold onto this narrative that we're being told, everything will continue on as normal. But like, do you think we can have American hegemony or maybe even should in a world where we don't control and manipulate people with the media aggressively like they have been for 100 years? Can we? Genuine question to all you guys. I don't know if without manipulating the populace to fall in line, can you actually have statehood hegemony across the planet?

Well, you need. It used to be church. The church was largely aligned and everybody went to church. So they lived in a similar moral worldview. Now with mass media, you had the big broadcast towers and everyone lived in a similar moral worldview. There were a lot of voices and dissidents. They just didn't have an opportunity to broadcast. They'd flyer and stuff. But now we're in the decentralized media space and creepos and crackpots are finding ways to build community and spread a message that is disruptive to the

United States. The problem the U.S. has is that, you know, when we were hearing about this narrative about Russia and how it was propping up Trump in his first term, largely not true. And I'd say arguing based on the evidence from the DOJ and all the stuff that the Democrats were putting out. $100,000 in total was spent on trying to influence various people, and they had a few Facebook pages that weren't particularly successful. However, the U.S. is inundated by a general mass influx from global voices. So how does most of the world feel about a certain issue? They'll go on X. You won't know they're not American and they'll tell you.

And people are starting because of X to align their opinions with a with a global or international opinion as opposed to an American one. But Trump and Trump's base has largely been resistant of that. And so that's why we're seeing this pushback. I think if you were to actually break it down and you went to like Hassan Piker, for instance, I'd be willing to bet he has a larger percentage of foreign followers than, say, Stephen Crowder does. Stephen Crowder's followers are probably almost entirely American, and Hassan probably has a decent spattering of European, Canadian, Middle Eastern followers as well. Especially with the Israel commentary that he has, I'd be willing to bet that he's got a substantial portion of his viewerships coming from the Middle East.

From like Arabic and Muslim nations. Hassan is his name, which may, he's Turkish, I think, descent. So maybe there's that too. Total assumption. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. Let's jump to this clip, ladies and gentlemen. I have bad news. I'm a freak.

I'm a freak. Scott Jennings has the clip. He says, posting a longer clip than usual. Big discussion on state of the media last night. Trust is so low, but there's a way to fix it, make a better product. And I strongly defend new media sources against attacks. They are freaks worth the watch from CNN 10 p.m. last night. Well, normally I wouldn't want to watch CNN. But Jeff Jarvis, who I know, who is I would consider him to be an ideological driven individual, an activist masquerading as a journalist, is calling the White House press a freak show. The night that I the day that I went there, he goes on TV and then says it's a freak show. Here's the clip.

The problem is that the right wing. Hello, Scott, has taken advantage of this situation, I think, quite cleverly, quite wisely. They've played into a weakness. What situation? The situation of media being under attack. And so they've created a situation. You've almost got it. Keep going. What the right wing is taking advantage of is finally the American people saying enough is enough. They're tired of feeling like the mass media screens out one viewpoint versus another and political coverage. They're tired of media institutions favoring one party over another. They're tired of narratives over factual stories. If I had any advice for 60 minutes or anybody else, it would be just cover the news and try to be fair about it and stop putting your finger on the scale, especially

during that. That's that you're you're you're talking about the old mass media myth that you could have this thing that was in the middle of the Walter Cronkite saying that's the way it is when it wasn't for many Americans the way it was when people were pissed off. People back in those days trusted the media, didn't they? No, they just couldn't be heard because there was no two way. Now we have the Internet. Look at the Gallup poll. It was here and now it's here. It's fallen off of a cliff. Yeah, we do have we do have that gallop polling about trust in media. And now, as in recent years and let's be honest, Scott, a lot of this is driven by the rhetoric on your side. You think it's driven by the rhetoric and not the performance? Absolutely. My point is this. Well, I actually agree with how he feels.

It's driven by the rhetoric, the rhetoric of truth. When you're saying things like the very fine people hoax, it was a hoax. Trump never said that. We had a we had a journalist on the show just a couple of days ago, Tara Palmieri, who after 10 years, it's been it's been eight years. She still didn't know this. Trump never called Nazis very fine people. She thought he did. Now, I would simply question with that information. She pushed back on the idea that there was anyone there worth defending.

I just I question why someone purported to be a journalist never actually watched the video or read the transcript. She just believed it. If you don't know it's there, you don't even know how to look for it. Scott, what do you mean? If someone says to me, Tim, did you hear that Trump punched a baby? I'll say, prove it. I'll say, show me the video, show me the transcript. And I want sources. I will literally say source. Where are you getting that from? I want evidence it happened. So on this show, we do our best, but nobody's perfect. And I'll even give that credit to two corporations. Sometimes they get things wrong unintentionally. They largely intentionally make things false. The Covington smear.

Not a single one of these people decided to actually look at what happened with the Covington kids. And we're going back years. But now the Maryland man hopes. I got to talk about that. Okay. I see both sides of this Maryland man thing. If I moved to California and some shit went down. And where are you from?

Ohio. But I'm from Maryland because I live in Maryland. to California and some shit went down. And where are you from? Ohio. But I'm from Maryland because I live in Maryland. You're not from Maryland. Someone asked me, where are you from? If I was in Germany and they're like, where are you from? I'd say Maryland. No, you wouldn't. Because that's where I came from.

That's not true. Because I moved around so much, I would tell people I'm from LA when I lived in LA. When they would ask, where are you from? I'm from LA. I've been there seven years. You are one of the rater people who does that. If I went to California and there was an article written and something happened and they were like, California man, something, something.

Yeah, that's the meme. You can move to Florida. You're a Florida man. Dave. What's his name? No, no, no, no. Anyway, that's the state of mind. No, no, it's not.

You can write it up as such. If I'm residing in there. Yes, if you're lying to people. Well, these people, this guy's an El Salvadorian and they're intentionally trying to spin it like he's an American Maryland dude. That's the point. They're intentionally lying. They're pushing a hoax. And Hassan Piker, did you notice?

Hassan did not know the guy was from El Salvador. One of the most prominent leftist streamers speaking to millions of people. And in his mind, he saw CNN, he saw ABC, he saw his outlets. And he was like, this guy's from Maryland. I can't believe Trump would deport him. I would be as mad at Trump as he was if I thought Trump took a guy from Maryland and sent him to a foreign country. That's not what happened. It should have said El Salvadorian man residing in Maryland.

It should have said that. That's what the New York Times said today. And I said, thank you. Despite the fact that they're lying about everything else. So it's like the whole thing. They're like, we weren't lying. He was residing in Maryland. Therefore, maryland man i get it but you're intentional this was a thing about a guy that was deported to el salvador and he was el salvadorian

you can't leave that out yeah he was trump with a heart at twice as big he brought up bravo garcia home thank you trump thank you for letting me let me play the rest of this clip because uh jarvis calls us freaks or CBS or any other news outlet. The reason that you have lost trust ought to be obvious to you and the way to fix it also ought to be obvious to you. And it has nothing to do with Donald Trump and everything to do with the product. Just try to make a better product that appeals to more people. And the way you appeal to more people is by not crapping on half or more than half of the country because of their values and political people. I think that that is what you'd end up with in that press room then is, and these are my words, the freak show that Trump wants. Trump tries to devalue media. Why should we value his

freak show there? Let's leave it to the freaks. I think calling them freaks. Leave it to the freaks. I don't think there's any disagreement on that, by the way. I mean, he called these new media sources the freak show. They're not freaks. They have audiences. They have audiences. And there's a reason that they're thriving is because people are starved for information that they think they can trust. They're not freaks. They're filling a need in this country, in my opinion. He said they're freaks. So why do these freaks have more viewership, more long, further reach? It's because that is the elitist disdain they have for each and every one of you. To those of you who are loyal viewers of Timcast IRL, I saw many of you were posting messages

thanking me for being there and congratulating me for being there. Some people were saying, how dare you, Tim, not wear a suit? I got those messages too, but the people who watch the show, watch it because you trust us. Like Scott Jennings says, we fill a need. This show only has an audience because we must be doing something right. We have made a good product. I read the news all day, every day. I do a morning show. If I don't do the morning show, I don't got nothing for the nightly show. It's very hard to do Tim Kess IRL because the pre-production and research is my morning show. I read hundreds of articles every day. I'm reading tweets. I'm watching videos. I'm fact checking things. And then when

it comes to Tim Kess IRL, I largely have read everything in the day and I have a general idea of what these stories are. Jeff Jarvis doesn't do anything. He's a professor at a university. He doesn't actually work in media and he's calling all of us freaks. The people in that room are uncurious. They don't fact check. They don't know that Trump never called Nazis very fine people. They don't know that Abrego Garcia is from El Salvador and they don't bother to investigate. And I'll say this, too, as much as a lot of people were very much entertained by Attar's appearance and I very much enjoyed the conversation and the arguments and the debate. She did not know what was in the Signalgate texts. OK, her understanding of these stories as a as a Brooklyn based journalist is surface level. We've gone over those texts thousands of times, like not literally thousands.

You know what I mean? We've done the stories over and over and over again. So when I'm having a conversation about them, I'm like, I think I had to read those things like 15 times within an hour from sourcing the story and trying to understand it to reading it during the show, to sharing with other people, to explaining to those who are going to be editing or putting a clips together or something like that. What part of it I'm reading the text over and over and over again. And so when it comes to a conversation, I'm like, I know what's in those texts. I know what was said. I could probably paraphrase each text. I've read it so much. These journalists that are in the White House, they show up and their editors like ask her about this thing, OK? And then they don't even know what they're talking about.

That's normal to these people. But when anybody with an opposing viewpoint is finally let in to the elites, it's a freak show. But I would like to say this. I want to give a heartfelt thank you to Jeff Jarvis for everything he's done to help me in my career. The advice he had given me at the start of my career was invaluable. His invitation to the Knight Foundation award ceremony at CUNY was an honor. And I will never forget that moment. Jeff, if it wasn't for you, this wouldn't be possible. That day I sat in the White House was thanks to you. It's awesome. I'd like to see that guy here and just to let him say it. Well, firstly, when you talk about journalism, not all journalists are researchers,

and that's sorely lacking in this industry at the moment, I believe. A lot of journalists will just repeat things that they see. That's not real research. That's not research. But understand what you just said. I could just pick up a journal and start journaling, and then all of a sudden I'm a journalist? Come on. But you've got to do research.

Journalist literally in the name represents those who are writing things down, storing facts and keeping journals logs of what is going on. That's not what journalists do anymore. Well, it'll be like I saw it on TV and then they'll write it down and then they'll talk. So say it as if it's real without actually researching where they heard the TV heard it. You know, you got to go deep if you want to with confidence explain. Yeah, but why would they do that? Because what they're going after is clicks. go deep if you want to with confidence explain yeah but why would they do that because what they're going after is clicks you know that's their problem right now is that they're after

whatever can generate them their ad rev right so that's why they don't bother looking back it's whatever the headline says to generate those ad rev clicks well i mean that's totally true but the what they're actually looking for is is some of inflammatory headline that will, just like you said, generate clicks, but also will satisfy the preconceptions of their viewers want, the viewership that they've built. Same thing with MSNBC, same thing with Fox. And they make sure that their stories are going to feed people what they want to hear. Right. Yeah. And the question is, where does the genesis of each one of those little narratives come from? Because at some point it slips in and then the monster grabs a hold of it and continue it continues to spread right it's like but even in in this clip with this guy here what you were watching is a little

football match right he we have one person on offense from the other side and he put them in their place pretty good but they have no willingness to say to themselves, you know what, maybe we did mess up a little bit along the way. You heard her. She goes, you know, and it's all because of you guys. And that's the problem every single time. It's never, nobody in the media is willing to do that.

In their minds, they're thinking, if you would just shut up and let us lie, they'd have no choice but to watch. That's how they think. You know, there was a time when the narratives spread by the news, even Fox News included, it was all essentially the same narrative, right? Like the Iraq War, like going into the Iraq War. It was the same stuff from 2000 until probably 2008, 2009.

It was the same thing from basically every news channel and now you got the people are in that was when we were just being fed news until internet video and now we're feeding it as well and that's i guess the freaky part um yeah we're we're the media this is media youtube's the biggest news media channel on the world so let's stop talking about people who can't get any ratings and talk about people who do. We got this tweet from the Vigilant Fox. Jordan Peterson just dropped a chilling warning. Psychopaths are taking over the right. Let me play this clip for you from the Joe Rogan experience where Jordan Peterson warns Pharisees, psychopaths.

He's talking about Candace Owens, but listen to what he says. I think that virtualization has enabled the psychopaths. Without a doubt. Yeah, well. Without a doubt. That's a terrible thing because the psychopathic types, they're always the death of everything. I'm seeing this come up on the right now.

So imagine this. I've been working on a new theory of political psychopathology, and I like it quite a lot. Is this where the term the woke right comes in? Yeah. Well, Lindsay is pointing at that, but he hasn't got the diagnosis exactly right. So it isn't woke.

That's not the issue. It's not exactly. I think what they're talking about is like similar types of behavior. He is talking about that. Yeah, I know. What he's pointing... Woke just lets you clarify in your head, oh, it's like that. Yeah, but the problem is...

It's like Antifa. Absolutely. But the problem is, is that that argument is predicated on the claim that the ideas are the problem, like the woke ideas. For example, on the right or the left. But that's not the problem, like the woke ideas, for example, on the right or the left, but that's not the problem. The problem is that four to five percent of the population, something like that, is cluster B, that's the DSM-5 terms, histrionic, narcissistic, antisocial, psychopathic, or they have, and they have dark tetrad traits. They're Machiavellian. They're sadistic.

That's about 4%. Okay, so the question is, how do these people maneuver? And the answer is, they go to where the power is, and they adopt those ideas, and they put themselves even on the forefront of that. But the ideas are completely irrelevant. All they're doing is, they're the Pharisees. They're the modern version of the Pharisees.

They're the people who use God's name in vain, right? As they proclaim moral virtue. It doesn't matter whether it's right or left or Christian or Jewish or Islam. They invade the idea space, and then they use those ideas as false weapons to advance their narcissistic advantage. And so then you have the problem, and the right's going to face this more and more particularly, because the left had to face it when they were in power. Yes.

How do you identify the psychopathic parasites, 4% of the population, who are clothed in your clothing and waving your flags, but who are only in it for narcissistic benefit. So the interesting thing is the what he's describing has been described by many people going back like 10 years ago when we had conversations about the corporate press, that activists masquerading as journalists was the phrase that I used a long time ago. These are people who are politically motivated,

and they are using the institutions of journalism to advance their political goals, exactly as Jordan Peterson describes. However, the issue I take with what he's doing is he's really just beefing with Candace Owens. Here's a tweet from a month ago where he said, Candace Owens is a true Farrah Cycle pretender. She vociferously proclaims her devotion to Christ for no other reason than to elevate her perceived status. Her outrage is designed not to shout the truth from the rooftops, build bridges or make peace, but to subvert Christianity itself with its new force to her own purpose. She is literally using God's name in vain. There are few more unforgivable sins. Yeah, and what he's I think what he's saying is if Candace were to make a post and I was going to go through her stuff and look for a moment that maybe she did this. A post that's very full of vitriol,

anger at someone, and then finish that text off with, and by the way, Christ is king. It's like, that's using the Lord's name in vain. Don't do evil and then exclaim God. Except she doesn't do that. I don't think, I don't, yeah, that's why I wanted to go through her stuff.

We had this conversation a while ago because Jordan Peterson, along with some other experts, dropped this report where they were like, look at the people who use Christ Crisis King as a troll or whatever. And they included Jack Posobiec, but I don't think they accused Jack Posobiec of doing this. They said he was using it intentionally. But they accused Candace Owens of doing it.

And I'm like, look, if you want to argue that she is like a cutthroat business person who is just trying to build a business, fine. But she's not doing that. I would argue that if he's referring to her as a powerful psychopath who is able to amass this massive platform and steal power or whatever, he's effectively arguing at the same time she's not stupid enough to fall into dumb traps like trolling people by saying Christ is king. I genuinely think she just believes it and she tweets it on her posts. The issue I see here is that Jordan Peterson is veiling his anger with Candace Owens in some, we have to be mad at all the psychopaths on Joe Rogan to create this new narrative.

And it's a part of, he appeared in Fox News saying something similar where they've got this report that I've heard. I think Jack was tweeting this. I should pull it up that they're working with the Anti-Defamation League and they're it. He's he's he's got I tweeted. Who are you talking about? Because if if Jordan Peterson really is just mad at Candace Owens and believes she's a Pharisee, then I take issue with him going on Joe Rogan and saying, watch out for all these psychopaths who do these things. And I'm like, bro, you're literally just describing your tweet to Candace Owens. I think it's important to realize that every human has psychopathic tendency and potential to act without the concern of others to do what you do may have collateral damage, harm others. And it just

doesn't matter because you got to get it done. That's like wartime mentality. You can switch into a psychopathic mentality. It's okay. It doesn't make you an evil person. Sometimes people extol psychopathic behaviors, and they're not evil. They just do it, and it's like I need to know when I'm doing it personally, so I keep myself in check. And I think he's coming on being like, look, you guys have all the power right now,

and do not let obsession with fame force you into something start talking about something you're not interested in and then all of a sudden now this is your big agenda now you're popular like you said it's not about the what it's about how people hijack the narrative for their own what he said narcissistic which is where it's really about you know me and how can i how can I get society to serve me, that behavior, we all got to keep ourselves in check. I don't have a great analysis of actually what Peterson's getting at, but I don't get the sense that it's just about Candace Owens. I think that he's speaking more broadly about the people that tend to be critical of Israel and stuff. But again, I don't have some kind of overarching theory

as to what he's getting at. I just think that he's usually, he's been fairly good at articulating his position and being forthright about what he's saying. So I don't get the, I don't get, I don't get the sense that he's kind of hiding behind just saying, Oh, you know,

talking about psychopaths, meaning one specific person. I think he's probably thinking more broadly. He did bring up the Israel stuff. Anti-Semitism he brought up is like one of the, the modern like topics that are being latched onto by people that might be exhibiting psychopathic behaviors. And then they're,

they're running with that narrative, making a lot of money, building their own echo chamber. But that he, that kind of led me astray in that. I don't think he gets the Israel thing. If he thinks that people complaining about, you know, Israel's military tactics, they didn't get too deep into what anti-Semitism even meant in that context, but he, he did bring that up we should have him on he said he wanted to come do the show Cernovich took a quote from Arne McIntyre and it's a great point he says Peterson is correct that as the right gains momentum the truly power-obsessed narcissists will move there I wonder if there's a group of high-status liberals who have made that

journey recently and are now trying to take that power quote from Arne McIntyre names of people that can't come to mind but i don't know gavin i i think that he's talking about the idw people indeed i was thinking of chris cuomo of course no no yeah right right indirectly yes okay so that chris cuomo is probably chris cuomo fits the description but i think that they were specifically thinking of the actual idw people the the the question is largely when did an individual shift their political views? So you have that woman, I forgot her name. Was it Lindy Lee or something? Is that the woman where she was like a Democrat fundraiser? And then after Trump lost, she immediately was like,

I'm not a Democrat anymore. And now she got roasted by Wade Stotts on The Will Cain Show, which was absolutely hilarious. But she's like a lifelong Democrat. And then she voted for Kamala. And then afterwards, the criticism is there were people who are diehard, you know, ride or die Democrat liberals. Or how about this? He's probably referring to Eric Weinstein, who refused to endorse Trump saying, oh, what was me? I can't do it. Trump is so bad. And then there were people who very early on were there. There were there were two spaces of which obviously I fall into one of them, which is the stop making me defend Trump. This was the this was the period where it was like, I'm not a big fan of his policies, but you're lying about him. Stop lying about the guy. And then I was backing Tulsi Gabbard and

Andrew Yang. And when they lost, I said that I'm voting for Trump. But there are some people that only after Trump won in November did they actually switch and say they were for Trump. But more importantly, there are a prominent group of liberal personalities who pretend like they are anti-establishment or heterodox, but refuse to endorse Trump or call out the Democratic Party for their ridiculous ideologies like sex changing kids or all that stuff. Jordan Peterson is being effectively criticized in that regard for essentially being part of that group. That you're saying that in addition to what he's talking about, he's also being criticized for R.N. McIntyre's post. OK, when he says, I wonder if there's a group of high status liberals who have made that journey. What he's pointing out is that Peterson is saying on the Joe Rogan podcast, as the right becomes ascendant, psychopaths will seek to move into the right to gain political power.

Probably why Bill Maher all of a sudden was like, you know, Trump's not that bad. I mean, he's not perfect, but maybe I was wrong. And Charlamagne Tha God's the same thing. You know, maybe Trump's not a fascist. It's like, uh-oh, we realized that we were on the wrong side of history. Better flip-flop, maybe. But a lot of people, too, are just realizing the problem was the deep state, you know, takeover of the U.S. And they're like, actually, I'm with Trump now.

And you think just on November 6th they just had the epiphany? That would be a weird day to have it. Indeed. So I think is most of these people were like uh i'm gonna wait and see who wins and then back the winner yeah and there were other people who came out and said i'll stick my neck out and support what i think is right those people that are like falsely that jump ship that's a little different i think that might be a psycho psychopathic behavior trait i don't know i don't know enough about hence the point that

aaron mcintntyre is flipping onto Peterson what Peterson is saying about Candace Owens. Now, we can discuss Candace Owens' past. She was like a liberal a long time ago. But then she...

She was a red pill black. That was her... It was a long time ago. And I guess people... She had been accused of like doxing conservatives or something. But then she had a moment

where she flipped. She explained it. And she's been steadfastly on the right for what, like eight years or something or longer. She's been at a prominent show and she largely says what she says. And I got to be honest, she gets roasted for a lot of the opinions she has, which are anything but standard. I'll call it that. Yeah.

She's got like Macron. Yeah. Well, I know that's funny, but she's got she's got opinions that are not like typical mainstream safe opinions to have. She just does her thing and criticize her. Totally fine. You're allowed to do that. Jordan Peterson is basically pointing to himself in this regard. Now, I like Jordan. I think he's an all right dude. But I think it is fair to point out that a lot of these IDW guys would not get behind Trump with full support, argued against him and are trying to pretend like they're on our side.

I mean, look, they I'm not so sure that this revolt hasn't much to do with Trump. I think that they probably have a an idea of, you know, what is acceptable politics. And they think that Trump kind of falls outside of it. They have their problems with the left or with Democrats. And so they, but they don't feel comfortable, you know, aligning with Trump because they say that Trump there, they feel like Trump is unacceptable. I think that's probably an uncontroversial opinion to have. Um, not about Trump. I'm talking about the analysis. Um, but I don't know. I don't know if it's if it's something that is, you know, particularly broad, or if it's just a very narrow handful of people

that it kind of doesn't really matter. I felt that personally, I felt that I talked about on the show last year that it was like, man, if I just start talking about that, I'm gonna vote for Trump's gonna piss a bunch of people off from my past. And then I to just get over it i had to get over it you got to be you know you got to care about the community first and not my personal that that's that's that's really the concern uh that i've seen from a lot of conservatives the question is were you willing to stick your neck out even a little bit to get behind what is right and there were a lot of people that would not do it they'd privately be like these celebrities dude they go hey i'm actually gonna vote for trump just i can't tell anybody and i'd be like bro screw you don't tell me that like i have i have i have this i disrespect i have i have less respect

for you for doing that yeah you like musicians and actors and athletes have messaged me in private being like hey man i love what you do it's super cool i'm definitely voting for Trump. I just can't say anything because I want to lose my job. And I'm like, so I should risk everything for you. Right. Because you you and I agree this is the right thing to do, but you won't take any risks. Then you deserve nothing. Yeah. I had a lot of experience with that throughout COVID with musicians writing me. Thanks for speaking up. I'm on your side of things. I just don't want to lose my gig. And then I'm like, it's like watching somebody get their ass kicked. And you're like,

Hey man, thanks for, uh, thanks for taking the beating for me. You know, them calling you on the phone and be like, thanks for inviting me over tonight. And I had a great time.

You're right. We're talking on the phone, dude. You're not even here. Do you think that what we see with that, um, adherence to what we were talking about earlier with the left, if you stray from their narrative,

then you're out. Is that happening on the right? Because I think it is. I see it happening a lot. I see it a little bit sometimes. The right has their like heavy handed moments, but it's rare relative to the left. There's also like concentric circles of beliefs within this sphere, because that leftism thing is a very small bubble. and outside of it is just this greater cause of reality and people that think that you know israel is the biggest problem in the world and then people that think that climate change is the biggest or whatever i'm just naming random things but then if you disagree within those circles you might be ejected from that

immediate community because the right is a coalition of various factions there's no real right to be ejected from. However, the left is homogenous. So if you were a liberal personality with a big following on YouTube and you said something like, I really do think the trans movement is harming our ability to win politically and we're sacrificing populist issues for this small faction of people, you're done. You are gone. You're now conservative right. No, not even. You're far right. You better No, not even. You're far right. You better start your own podcast. You're far right. Yeah, sure. And you'll lose everything, so they don't

deviate. And that's why a lot of these liberals, they're in a hard position. Because my view of Luke Beasley, for instance, is that he knows the liberal issues he's wrong about. They're factually incorrect. But he can't say it because he would just lose followers so it's like he's a young guy he's got a big youtube platform when he looks into these things he goes oh that's not true oh man could you imagine that kind of stress to realize it and be like oh my god i've got a million people that have been following this narrative and it's not real and if you say if you say it's not real they will all attack you destroy your life you'll be you'll be in the poor house overnight and even even less is like they just stop watching the thing is he'd get a huge new audience you know so it's not no he wouldn't i it wouldn't be right away but he's really smart

i like that guy the right is gonna is would likely say why watch you you've been wrong about everything you just figured it out well dan bongino knew it the whole time what i'll watch him instead because he's able to i'm not using the right though looks for reformed leftists and they they really cheer that on when you see somebody from hollywood and they all of a sudden are saying something that you know many of us may have been saying for a good while the conservative movement tends to or the right whatever you want to call it everybody outside outside of the left, they tend to absorb it. Yeah, but I think it's because if someone comes from Hollywood and then starts saying, look, I've seen the light,

I'm converting or whatever, you're hearing an expert from the inside explain to you all the bad things they're doing, effectively blowing the whistle. They're telling you. And it's similar for liberals, former conservatives, which are rare, but this is totally fake in my opinion. You have people – well, like Hunter Avalon is a good example. Like, oh, no, I was so wrong.

I can't believe I believed those things. And then they say, see, now you can tell us – and then they use that as an expert testimony of why I believed the things I did. The problem with the left is that they're just factually wrong about everything. You know, so you're in trouble if you're a media personality on the left because you're like, you could literally Google search the story and go, whoa, he was from El Salvador? What is this document? He admitted he came illegally

and he admitted he was removable? He's not a Maryland man? Gonna lie anyway, otherwise I'll lose my followers. My, okay, this is a big leap and I don't really, we don't need to go into this, but on the right, I feel like that version of that where they're like, I saw it on TV.

Therefore it's real. I'm going to regurgitate is like, I read it in a 2000 year old document. I'm going to regurgitate it. If it's real, well, how can you talking about the Bible, the Christian Bible?

How can you verify the authenticity of that? I can't, you can't. You can't? No, no one can. Because it's a 2,000-year-old text. No one can. It's not like if CNN came on, it was like, they just said different things. You're conflating some very different things.

How can I verify it? You're conflating some very different things because the fact is the right isn't just Christian. Exactly. There's agnostics. So when we're talking about the left and their adherence to an orthodoxy, which is false, and then you bring up Christianity specifically, it just sounds like you're insulting Christians. No, no, no. Anybody that believes faith without evidence is like I think is a problem.

But you see, you're entering seventh grade. Oh, you have blind faith. You have actual evidential faith. You have all sorts of different types of things. You are asking like a 16-year-old's introduction to philosophy question about what is to know. I'm sorry, what? I brought my Bible. When you're an adolescent human being studying basic concepts of philosophy, one of the first things you ask or you are asked is, what is knowledge?

How do you know what you know? And then you learn the famous quote, the only thing that I know is that I know nothing. So when you say to people, why do you just believe in the Bible? The same question is asked to you. What makes you think oxygen is real? You read it in a book and you just believe it. You're believing things without doing an investigation or checking the evidence. I'll take the scientific method over a 2,000-year-old book.

When have you done it? And I'll also take the scientific method over something CNN tells me. When have you done it? Done what? When have you actually looked through an electron microscope to check to see if there's oxygen? I'd love to do that. You'd love to, but you haven't, right? Ozone, dude. It's three O's.

Have you ever? It's the only element with its own zone. Oxygen. Have you ever looked through an electron microscope at a one dimensional? I've never looked through an electron microscope. So then how do you know graphene is real? I trust the scientific method. That's that's my faith. My faith in evidence. You've never done the scientific proof. You could say it's proof. When? When have you proved it? It's I haven't the scientific community before. Who's that? Richard Feynman. Who else? I mean,

so you talk to thousands and thousands of people have claimed evidence that of oxygen's existence. And you've seen it. I've listened to the evidence from people that have done the research for hundreds of years. I've listened to the evidence from people who said that Jesus walked on water. The evidence from the people, they said they read it in a book that it happened. That's like saying the evidence from the people on CNN said that it happened. No, I met someone who said they had a vision. God told him it happened. Okay, if a guy said he had a vision of something on CNN, I still wouldn't believe him. You are choosing to believe people who haven't shown you any evidence. No, the opposite.

I do not believe things without evidence. When have you seen the evidence of graphene? Never. All over the internet? You've never seen it? I mean, you want to— You've never seen it? That's evidence of graphene.

When you look on papers and you read about it and you look at imagery of it online. I'm like, that's all. What do you think the Bible is made of paper? Yeah. And what's in the Bible? There's words. That's that's the same kind of evidence that you're talking about. Giving you evidence for graphene.

Talking about the scientific method. You did not do it. I know you don't you don't need a scientist to believe in the scientific method. And you don't need a scientist to believe in the scientific method and you don't need a bible to believe in Jesus I require evidence, some evidence evidence based leading towards proof

no Ian you don't I cannot force myself to believe something I have no evidence for it's impossible for me or it's very very difficult to snap that that's false, you know I know because you've never done an experiment to prove the existence of graphene. That's because there's scientists that do that work for us. You don't want every farmer to have to go look through an electron microscope. There are priests who and bishops and cardinals who tell us about

Jesus and Christianity. They don't have electron microscopes. Neither do you. And how do you know they do? They don't. They told me they're prophets. OK, fine. a guy told him and a guy told you are you are you saying that this is actual evidence that you would do a journalistic endeavor with i'm saying ian or is that what you're saying you have never actually done any experiments and what you believe is based on someone telling you trust me and you're saying yes not random dude being like hey there's this thing dude trust me it's a scientific community and called the site there's a and the theologian me. It's the scientific community. And the theologian community. There's a shitload of scientific evidence. Those are the same people that said that the COVID shot was going to work, right?

I don't know. Or that lockdowns were going to slow the spread. Or that double masking made sense. That's not who I follow when I'm talking about graphing. You're talking about Anthony Fauci. Let's just pause real quick. I'm just going to say this because there's no reason to go in circles over and over again. I didn't even want to bring it up to go too deep.

It's just that people that believe things without evidential proof is fucking annoying, man. Like you. You have to play both sides of reality. Like you. You are the perfect example of a person who believes whatever bullshit they heard from some guy on the internet. Totally untrue, man. Why do you think I'm sitting here? You've never seen graphene.

You've never tested it. You've never looked at an electron microscope. You don't even know it's a single last. I've seen graphene. You bought it for me. How do you know it's graphene? Well, it said graphene on there. You told me it was graphene. You've never tested it. You've never looked at an electron microscope. You don't even know it's a single. I've seen graphene. You bought it for me. How do you know it's graphene? Well, it said graphene on there. You told me it was graphene. It was dirt. It looks like graphene. I filled up a vial outside and wrote graphene on it. It looks like sand. It was dirt. I went outside, filled it up and wrote graphene on it. Are you lying? I'm telling you the truth. So are you going to double down on a lie? Because if you're lying right now,

you discredited yourself, man. That bottle that I bought, that was just dirt. Well, if you're telling a lie, you're discrediting yourself in that bottle that i bought that was just dirt well if you're telling a lie you're discrediting yourself in front of tens of thousands of people you believe it was graphene yeah why because you told me it was it said graphene oxide on the side or graphene on the side that's content i lied produces i mean you're going to be a research journalist and you're going to lie and and take things and believe things without evidence? I mean, you don't believe this shit. You told me yourself you don't believe this shit. Oh, my Bible shit. That's not nice.

It's a concept. How offensive. It's got my name on it. Good Lord. Ian, how dare you? Dude, I'm just evidence-based, bro. I just, you are not. Of course I am, dude.

Look, Ian, you lack the understanding of basic knowledge philosophy. This is, I recommend you read these books. There is a famous quote. The only thing I know is that I know nothing. For you to sit here and say, I know what is true and factual, proves you have no idea what you're talking about. Well, there are facts.

Like? This is wood. Indeed. Agreed. How do you know? Because I'm here. Did you use an electron microscope? Because I built it. How do you know it was actual? Because I'm here. Did you use an electron microscope? Because I built it.

How do you know it was actual wood, though? Did you test it with an electron microscope? Because I watched them cut it. No, you didn't. The answer is no. You didn't. And you believe it's wood. No, you're actually wrong.

It could be plastic. I watched them cut it. It could be some new chemical they built. I watched them cut it. I worked with them to put it together. Because I saw it come from the tree, Ian. This is a special... Now, that's a fucking lie.

No, it isn't. You saw this table come from a tree? It's a custom-built table. This is a special... That's a fucking lie. No, it isn't. You saw this table come from a tree? It's a custom-built table. This is a custom-built table. You were told? By who? No! They built it in front of me!

We're being hilariously hyperbolic right now. It's three pieces. They brought it in. They had to lift it up over and bring it through because it wouldn't fit through the door. So it had to go through before the windows were put in. It was brought in in three pieces. There's a metal frame underneath it. We had these pieces sitting in a building for a year waiting for the construction.

I watched them cut the wood into the pieces. I picked up the sawdust, and we threw it in a fire pit. How do you know it was sawdust, Tim? Because it burned. Graphene burns, too. Ian? How do you know it wasn't almost sawdust? You've never done any experiment.

That's not true. I've done experiments. On what? Oh, God. I don't know. Dripped water on a piece of paper to see how it curls. Okay. So.

What other stuff? I don't know. I have fun with life, you know? I experiment a lot. What is limiting you in understanding reality right now is your arrogance? No, I don't think so. I think I see a lot of dead people that are dead and in the mind that just accept things without evidence. And that's concerning to me no matter where it's coming from. And I see that in you. Well, how? What's

an example of that? Okay. Are you breathing? Not a silly example. I'm talking about real stuff. What are you breathing right now? Lots of gas. What do you breathe? Oxygen and hydrogen, you name it. How do you know? I have faith in the scientific community and the evidence that I've seen. What evidence have you seen? Papers. I've had teachers tell me the evidence. We've gone through it in books. I've looked online about it. I read about the nitrogen content in the air. 78% of it, I think, is nitrogen, according to modern science. So you've actually taken air and you've... No, no, but I didn't get the electron microscope for the table or for the air. So you've never actually done an experiment to verify any of the things you were told

well that's an extreme statement but about have you ever had the contents of the air no i haven't i haven't done that so why do you believe it's true because there's a preponderance of evidence because someone told you it was many many many people have yeah okay well there's more people who believe in jesus i don't care how many. Then why did you say that? And also the quality of the evidence. What's the evidence? Of what exactly? Of what's in the air?

What did you read that said oxygen was real? That proved it? That provided evidence? The periodic table? That's not evidence. That's a list. It's a piece of evidence. It's a list of things.

Which is a piece of evidence. How does that prove the existence of oxygen? That, along with all sorts of other experiments where you can see the different colors of oxygen with different lights. How? We can pull it up and go deep if you want to talk about it. If you're questioning science, let's look at it. How many evidence? Tell me the evidence against you.

I'm the farmer that believes the scientist in regards to this. I'm not the guy that did the experiment. There's enough people on Earth that do those experiments that we can have faith in science. What will greatly help you expand your understanding of reality is to recognize you are simply choosing trust. That's it. I think that's right. A lot of people with belief, it comes with trust. You have to trust your sources. When you do the fission experiments and the vacuum experiments and you actually isolate nitrogen from oxygen and carbon or you pull carbon from the atmosphere and you said, I actually built a machine and tested against the gases and was able to extract the carbon into a vial using vacuum technology.

Then I might say, you've done the work. For now, what you're telling me is I read a bunch of books and they told me it was true, so I believe it. Chemical vapor deposition, where you deposit carbon dioxide onto copper in a vacuum. Have you done it? No, but they do it at Rice University. I'm sure they do. There's different ways to get graphene off of copper.

Prophets commune with the Lord all the time. Well, that's probably true, but that doesn't mean that this is verifiable evidence. I didn't say it was. I said you are choosing what to believe based on the books you read and telling other people that they're wrong. I wouldn't say that they're wrong. I'm just concerned with people believing things without evidential proof. That is like the epitome of my ethos. The corporate press not doing any research, deciding things are true without checking or intentionally lying to people to spread misinformation. And the fascinating thing to me is that we were told that double masking worked. We were told that six feet distance was

how you effectively stop the spread of COVID. And then we learned just recently, actually, not super recent, but a year or two ago, they made it up. It was up now how can that be it was written in books it was written in scientific papers they published peer-reviewed journals they said it on the news over and over and over again it was all bullshit wasn't it whoa but they posted evidence and it was still bullshit but but that but the evidence ian there wasn't enough but the papers the evidence there wasn't enough evidence man i didn't believe it what do you mean i didn't believe six feet to slow this well the virus are you kidding me i'm not a paper mask is going to stop a virus? I'm not saying you believed it.

I'm saying the scientific community and the evidence they presented was wrong. Cigarettes used to be recommended by doctors. The science proved it. Science evolves all the time. And I actually believe in science. I would give more credit to science simply because I've actually done experiments myself. Indeed. I actually created a remote control green tea can.

I built it. And I used gyroscopic stabilization and vibration to reduce the surface friction to zero so that it could float across solid surfaces and then use a gyroscopic stabilizer so that it could turn. And that video is actually on YouTube. You can watch it. So I actually tested these things and tried it out and said, wow, I was able to actually put together a radio transmitter that actually received it.

And then the receiver received the signal, completing a circuit and causing a motor to spin. I've actually done those things. So I look at these things and I say, yes, based on the experience I've done, I believe it's likely to be true and correct. However, never actually seen oxygen, never seen an atom, been told they exist. In fact, the photo of the black hole they took, not really a photo of a black hole. It's an amalgam of various EMF waves that they compiled together and then said,

here's what we think it might look like through a CGI. And then they told everyone this is what a black hole looks like. I don't follow the Bible, nor do I believe that Jesus is the Son of God. I am not a Christian. I have no disdain for others who do. I simply just see things differently. But I would never be so arrogant to say I know things other people don't, simply because some people are deaf, some people are blind. Some people can see things I can't see. Some people can hear things I can't hear. Women, some of them are tetrachromats. They can see more colors than I can. If a woman could see more colors than I could and asserted to me that there was a color on that skateboard, it's not just yellow, it's two colors. And I said, you're nuts. I can see it. It's yellow. She's actually right. She has a fourth rod and cone

and she can see colors I can't. But I'm just going to tell her she's wrong because I can't see it. The only thing that I know is that I know nothing. And that doesn't mean I literally don't know a thing. It means that for the most part, we are choosing who to trust. And then we are relying on that to build a foundation of what we hope to be true, which is why when I talk about quantum physics, science, technology and religion, I often say if what we believe in science is true, then. However, for all we know, they're just lying and computer screens are magic rocks they found in the earth and they have no idea how they work. Considering that, you know, I've had friends

who've actually built them. And I actually watched, after watching Dr. Stone, I watched a video of creating a, what is it, a fluorescent, what do they call it? In Dr. Stone, I watched a video of creating a fluorescent, what do they call it? In Dr. Stone, they take a beaker and they put phosphorus on it. And then they make a light that can go up and down and left and right to create a basic screen. And that's how they do a back projection screen. And then I watched a video on YouTube of how it was done. And I was like, oh, wow. You actually can see the building blocks of these things.

We do got to go to Super Chances. Let me be very clear. I'm not claiming that people that are Christian are wrong. I'm not making that claim. I just don't believe things. And I hope that other people don't without evidence, evidential proof. That's all.

I don't think people are wrong. And I'm not saying it's wrong. I don't, I would ask, I would ask, what do you believe? Well, a lot of stuff,

but generally, like God, we could go on for an hour and a half about that. Do you think that machine elves exist? I don't know. No, not really. Not literally. Not that I know of.

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says, how much graphene can Ian chug if an Ian was gonna chug a graphene? Like the tongue twister there. Probably get down like a quart of it, and then get his nasty stomachache after that. Ian, I will tell you, of that thing I bought, I went on Amazon and typed in

graphene and clicked buy, so I'm assuming it is. No one knows for sure. Exactly. It was clearly dirt. Experiment. They could have taken pencil and just grinded it up into dust. Like a graphite? Yep. Sons of bitches. Graphene. Graphite. I have to do my due diligence. Shane H. Wilder says, Governor Abbott

just signed the Texas Doge Bill, creating a Texas chapter of Doge. Now if other states will follow suit. Ooh, I like it. Amazing. Porter says, I'd love to buy a ticket and be there, but I can't afford to fly out to West Virginia from Washington State for a show. Are you planning on having different venues around the country? That'd be awesome.

We are not. Although we may eventually do specials, the general idea is that we are seeking. So the Culture War Live, single venue, small 60 seats we have uh we have a few more seats but it's going to be like friends crew and things like that for space alex stein's going to be there uh for one reason if one of the people who comes up to debate sucks i don't know how i would kick them off you know i i i i i'm not the kind of personality those big long poles with a hook on the end yeah but i would be sitting down So the point is, it's not a fun show if Tim Pool goes like, hey, bro, you're really bad at debating. Please leave. It's kind of just it makes you feel bad. But Alex Stein would kick

them off in a very funny and entertaining way. Everyone would laugh as he's removing the person from the stage. And I think that's a better show. So that's why we have to have Alex there. We're hoping to do this weekly at the same venue. And we're hoping that if the first one does really well, we're thinking we're going to do this one on May 3rd, then probably another one two weeks later. And we may end up switching to, we got to work it out. But the general idea is tickets are free right now if you're a member, which means you're paying for membership to get a free ticket. It's not it's not sustainable because. A lot of we want people who don't want to just debate, we want people to watch the show.

So we're thinking we're going to do is we're going to sell tickets. However, any member can submit to what we'll have, like 10 reserved seats. Members can submit to join the debates and then we will have those 10 reserve seats for the 10 people who want to, and then we'll choose between them during the show. But then we can have 60 seats for sale to the public so people can bring their friends and you don't got to be a member. It's a lot easier to do that way. We can fill seats because ultimately what we want is to find a venue with 100 to 200 seats and have a regularly scheduled culture war live that even liberals are going to come to. A lot of liberals are like, I'd sign up for Tim Pool's thing.

But if it's like 10 bucks to get in, then they might be like, I'll definitely come to this and watch, you know, Charlie Kirk debate my friend or somebody. So that's the plan. Should be fun. Let's grab some more. All right. Twilight Kid says next gen should be called Gen X squared because they a lot like Gen X. Well, OK. HS Disturbed says, Bongino put his money where his mouth is, and I respect that so much.

I hope he gets some joy in taking down the bad guys. I have to say to all the people who are like, where's Dan and Cash? What are they doing? I'm just like, I don't know that Dan Bongino would walk away from like dozens of millions whatever that number was from a show as big as his to not get the bad guys you know what I mean like if you went to Dan and you were like for 30 million dollars one time one purchase I will let you arrest like I feel like Dan's the guy who would have paid for that job he'd be like I will pay you to be able to go in there and arrest these people that's why I'm like no one's giving up all that money to go in and not get the bad guys.

No, them being silent is not an aberration. That's part of the process. I will say I appreciate his transparency on X, posting and saying, hey, you know, don't trust me. Expect, you know, wait for results. At least he's doing that because I get frustrated and impatient all the time if you read my X feed. But to his credit, like I would like to see more of that from other people in the admin. All right, Graff, he says many chickens enjoy this coup. Coop, LOL, Rumble is waiting for you.

It says coup. The chicken coup. The chicken coup. Chickens are great. They're good. They're good people. Elk Moon says, hey, Tim, in five times, we're Elk Moon, a hard rock band in L.A., fighting the culture war on the front lines. Our new single, Back in Hollywood, drops on Friday.

Song about, well, you know. I don't, actually. I hope it's nothing bad. Raymond G. Stanley Jr. says, I agree with Moon Lord. Let's definitely polygraph Ian. Yeah, let's get a polygraph. Yeah, that's a good idea. How much those things cost? Teach yourself how to override it. That'd be awesome.

Because it's your nervous system. It's not just your breathing. Controlling your nervous system is superpower. Indeed. My guess? $16,000 for a good one. Someone look it up. We'll buy it. We'll strap Ian to it. We'll buy it. We'll strap you into it.

We'll film it. I'll be the first. Beef Nancy says, do the board but have Be Gay Do Crime in black light ink or an off-white from the board color

so you can barely see it and have to do a double take. I'm pretty sure if we made a skateboard that said Be Gay Do Crime. Two grand. Okay. A Stoatling CPS2

polygraph can be priced around $2,000. If you sold merch that said, be gay, do crime, nobody would care. Hot Topic would sell that. But if you made a shirt that said, don't be gay, you'd get censored and banned everywhere. They'd be like, you can't do that, it's homophobic. Because you said, don't be gay, do crime.

That'd be like a double whammy. If you said, be gay, don't do crime it's homophobic because you said don't be gay do crime that'd be like double whammy if you said be gay don't do crime well the idea i'll get away with that andy's idea was he said let's sell two boards one says don't be gay one says be gay and just give the people the choice and i'm like well then everyone then everyone will like us that's true that's a good way to go about it you get one board in case that one does sell and then they don't be gay board i gotta be honest if we made a board that'd be gay we would sell those two yeah like they're both funny people would buy both like the problem with the left is they don't understand the joke and it's like it's when south park said uh when they had the episode where the kids were saying fag all the time and they're like we're not we're not making fun of gay people.

That's not cool. Hey, man, that's fine. They were like, no, we're just insulting the Harley guys. And they didn't understand what the kids were saying because that word means something else. So the joke is the left is always saying be gay, so we're making the inverse. But the problem then is liberals get super offended by that and try to get you banned. That's that play versus tyranny. You got to let go.

You got to learn how to play. You got to allow yourself. Placing saddles effect, I think. That's what they call it. Indeed. Great movie, by the way. Try Beards says, Hey, Ian, are you still free to judge this weekend?

To be a judge, the jam submissions this time are top tier. Hope to work with you again. I think not. I told them that I'm not going to be around. Oh, is that for the Discord? Yeah, game jam it's awesome what is it you should host gaming yeah they a bunch of better idea why don't why don't we do like a like a like a song thing i would love to you want to members of discord submit music and then you judge and then figure out who the winner is i'd be down but dude these games are amazing some of the games that they make in like two weeks you like, who are these?

You could hire ten people and have an entire game development company. Did we ever release the Normie Quest game? I don't think so. No. But, I mean, it's, like, on a shelf somewhere ready to be dabbled with. There's two versions, too. Chris made the King of the Hill one. And then we had the other full game one.

Dude, these game jams are super cool. So, I was just not feeling it for some reason, this one. But you want to go with me, Tim? To the game? Yeah. I feel like you're going to say no. That's why I just asked. I have no time for any of these things.

We should host one of those one time. It's super cool. I got to go to D.C. tomorrow again. No. But you can do it remote. I got to go to D.C. again tomorrow. That means I got to get in here at seven in the morning to record my my show uh here's the thing libby will be hosting the uh morning live

again however it's a 43 minute interview with sebastian gorka as it is so she's largely just introducing the second the show talking news a little bit and then kicking it off to the interview uh so it works out but uh you know we got to do work. We got to do work. They're going to have you on an airplane next. Oh, man, I know. I got to go to New York soon. This year's getting crazy. Yeah, Air Force One is a possibility. We've talked about that. The media is so bent over it. And just because people are in power doesn't mean they're evil. Sometimes there are people with no power that are evil. Sometimes there are people that are power with evil.

The current administration, I largely agree with on a lot of things. And I disagree with on some things. You know, Gorka, for instance, was talking about strikes on foreign terror groups and things like this. And then I asked him, I said, you know, I don't really want to be involved in this intervention and stuff. And then he explained his point of view. And I said, OK, you know, I get it. I do. I wish it was easy to have more answers. But as long as we're not. And I said, OK, you know, I get it. I do. I wish it was easy to have more answers.

But as long as we're not doing regime change war, then, you know, I think we've got some improvements. But, you know, what do you do? Do you just go to every press briefing and say, Trump, no matter what you do, you're always going to be wrong because I'm a journalist. That's stupid. That makes no sense. It's like Trump rescues a bunch of puppies and they're like, yeah, well, the puppies got hurt. It's like, well, yeah, they were in a fire and Trump saved them. Well, he shouldn't have run through the fire because the puppies got hurt. It's like, bro, not everything Trump does is bad, OK?

I actually think a lot of what he does is good, if not most of it. All right, what do we got? Adam Horridge says you need an engineer to join your stream to rain in Ian's techno babbleble we can put a space elevator on the moon but we can't get one to earth uh if you could do that you couldn't tie the two platforms together orbits still exist that's true but i think that was clear you know what you know we should do though we should create a massive series of cables and bolt them to the moon and then pull all the cables down to earth and then get heavy machinery and just like pull the moon into the earth causing its orbit to decay and then the moon to shift all the tides 20 feet in the air just plunging earth into a perpetual

flood which wipes out all of it sounds like and then we get a big surf contest those dudes that while we die the guys are gonna seed the clouds and block out the clouds we should talk about that on the after show tonight do you hear that oh i did i reported yeah that the mr burns plan dude but what we could build is a couple of slingshots from our orbital platforms to slingshot stuff from earth to the moon's platform and back there's a like a like a magnetic slingshot you see the slingshot orbital launch? Yes, spin launch. Yeah, it spins a package as fast as it can and then boom. You could have that in orbit and just fling stuff over to the other place.

It'll catch it and then slow it down like in a reverse spin. That's crazy. Launching things into orbit with a gigantic spinning wheel. For what reason was this? To launch packages to the space station. Oh, I got you. Instead of using a rocket to carry things up, you just put a payload in a thing, spin it, and boom. Okay.

And they don't actually technically have to catch it. You just have to get it into orbit. You've got a big neck. And go ahead. Imagine it'd be an arm. No, the payload will have the ability. It has thrusters. Yeah.

So it's able to ch-ch-ch-ch and reorient it. Yeah, right. Okay. And then it can just float to the space station and then lock into place. Or satellites. I was thinking

it was the first rocket was a rock. Get it? Rock-et? Someone put a rock in some explosive tube and they were like, we're firing rock-ets.

Little rocks. I don't know if that's how it worked. I don't either. Female rocks. The rock-ets. The rock-ets. Got it. Yeah. All right if that's how it worked. I don't either. Female rocks. The Rockettes. The Rockettes. Got it.

Yeah. All right. Let's see what he got. Seven Legion says, Ian, 500 people say they saw Jesus risen back to life, and the majority of them refused to recant even if they were being executed for saying it. Maybe one would die for a lie, but 500? Well, I mean, God. The problem is, it just goes back to the beginning again it's like without

verifiable evidence i have a hard time believing any of the story at all is witness testimony evidence if they're if they're alive and they're here and they're saying it that's what you don't believe world war ii happened oh no there's tons of evidence tons of evidence but the eyewitness eyewitnesses are like there's only like a couple holocaust survivors left i mean most eyewitness testimony doesn't exist anymore no you don't you don't need eyewitnesses are, there's only like a couple Holocaust survivors left. I mean, most eyewitness testimony doesn't exist anymore. No, you don't need eyewitness testimony, but it's a form of evidence. So you don't think

that Rome existed? I do think that Rome existed, yeah. Why? There's no way to track. I mean, who knows? It could have been called

Moor and not Rome. Well, now you're getting into ancient history manipulation. It could have been something different. What if it was Tartaria? A lot of that stuff

could have been different. I think all of that, all those structures those structures is actually evidence of Tartaria. That's like barbaria. That's where that term comes from. Tartaria? Barbars, yeah, they were the foreigners. No, Tartaria. Tartar barbar was like meant foreigner.

That's where their words come from. Oh, right. Tartaria was the idea of everything outside of Rome, essentially. The Tartars. I actually think Rome was Atlantis. I don't know, because the evidence doesn't work anymore. The Romans? Well, the Greeks were tight with Atlantis, I think.

Who knows? It's so much. The point is, Ian, your argument is that no historical event ever happened, because historian testimony doesn't matter. No, no. That's terrible. Ridden this representation. If you have evidence.

If 500 people says Jesus was risen, is that not evidence? The thing is, a guy telling me that 500 people said a thing is not admissible evidence. That's not, doesn't help me. There are so many paths you could go down of stories of people who have tried to prove themselves in your position, right? That have come out on the other side believing Jesus, though? Would you listen to those stories? Ian, do you believe the Donner Party happened? Yeah. Why?

I've just seen them die. Did they all do stuff about it? No, they were survivors. Okay. They beat each other in the mountains. But how do you know? There's literally no physical evidence, and there never was. It's just a group of people that came back and were like,

we ate people, and they went, we believe it. And now it's a historical fact, apparently. Maybe it didn't happen the way they said, maybe. It definitely didn a group of people that came back and were like, we ate people, and they went, we believe it. And now it's a historical fact, apparently. Maybe it didn't happen the way they said. Maybe. It definitely didn't happen the way they said. I'm not one of those people that's a question-everything guy. I don't like people like that. You need evidence, you know? And then you need to find things you believe in. But why would you accept the Donner Party

and not the resurrection of Jesus Christ? Well, those people were alive in modern times with video cameras talking about... What? Video cameras? The Donner Party? The late 1800s. Maybe I got it wrong. Hold on a second. Is this the people from, no, the movie Alive. I was thinking of the movie Alive.

The Donner Party was people heading west, and they thought there was a passage that was going to be open, and they got stuck. Oh, it's a horrible story. And then they starved to death, and then they ate each other. One guy went out. He left his wife and kid back behind because he wanted to go find them, I think. Never happened, actually. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. There's no proof. I would love to talk about Jesus. I mean, I would sit here for 10 hours and talk about Jesus. I would love to do that. Have you read Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis? No. You need to read it.

What's it called? Mere Christianity. Mirror? Mere. M-E-R-E. Do you believe that George Washington crossed the Delaware in the Revolution? Generally. In the revolution? Generally, but winter generally. But if you if you really press me on it, I don't have any evidence to prove it.

There's none. But I have a general belief is a loaded word here. Like, I guess your belief can increase in something like I kind of believe it. But that's kind of a weird thing. Either you do or you don't. So. You know, right. So you're just choosing not to believe the Bible. Because I was watching

how about the Mongols invaded Europe. Do I believe the Mongols invaded Europe? No idea. No evidence. There's evidence. It's just I don't know how good the evidence is. Did chickens come from Southeast Asia?

No idea. There's no evidence. I don't know. Is that what they say they did? That's where they did come from. Yeah. All right, everybody. We're going to go to that

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