Timcast IRL - DOJ Drops MASSIVE Epstein COVER UP, Says There's NO CLIENT LIST w/ Yoram Hazony

Episode Date: July 8, 2025

Tim, Phil, & Brandon are joined by Yoram Hazony to discuss the DOJ dropping a massive Epstein cover-up, the corporate press "debunking" AG Pam Bondi's claim of having the Epstein files, ICE targeting LA with a massive raid, and CBP agents ambushed by a gunman.   Hosts:  Tim @Timcast (everywhere) Phil @PhilThatRemains (X) Brandon @BrandoInverted (Everywhere) |  @TalesfromtheInvertedWorld  (everywhere) Serge @SergeDotCom (everywhere) Guest: Yoram Hazony

A leaked memo from the DOJ says there is no Epstein client list. Whatever do you mean? It also says there is no evidence that would predicate any criminal investigation into any third parties relating to anything that Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein had done and for the sake of transparency We're gonna put out a full video 11 hours of showing no one entering or leaving the SHU So that was the leak now I have for you officially pulled up from justice gov the memo on the

government's website where you can click the link and watch the video on the government website where well for one thing Pam Bondi said the client list was on her desk now when Fox asked her about this I believe it was today. Carol Levitt said she was referring to all of the documents related to Epstein. Sure she'll said there was tens of thousands of videos so where are those videos and then here's the crazy part we looked through not, not all of, but some of, the video released by the DOJ. At the 1158 minute mark, there is a minute cut from the footage. And then a guy walks in, opens a door, and walks through it.

So I have no idea what that video footage is supposed to be. This story is very weird. No one signed the memo. We have no idea why it's on the Justice.gov website. Nobody's issued any statements. Strange. So we're going to talk about that. But we also have, this is really crazy guys. So we got this professor out of UC Santa Barbara who said that the chance of civil war is substantially greater than zero. California may at some point try to declare independence. J.D. Vance will be president. He'll then send in national guard.

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You know joining us tonight talk about this and so much more is Yoram Hasani Evening, who are you? What do you do? I'm the chairman of an organization called the Edmund Burke Foundation. We put on National Conservatism conferences. These are Events that were created in the wake of Donald Trump brexit Nationalism became a big thing in America and around the world just a few years ago. I wrote a book called The Virtue of Nationalism explaining why that's a good thing, why you should be a nationalist, you should be, you know, care about putting your own country first. We have a lot to talk about. Right now, today, there were massive ice raids in LA.

The mayor came out, was fighting with cops. I mean, I shouldn't say fighting, but she was getting up, you know, in their faces and she was yelling, saying, get out of my town and things like that. So very much the illegal immigration debate will be pretty big. So good to have you. We got Brandon hanging out. What's up, Sam? What's up, everybody? I am Brandon Miner, producer co-host for Inverted World Live. Happy to be here. Phil. Hello, everybody. My name is Phil Labonte. I'm the lead singer of the Heavy Metal Band, All That Remains. I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary. Let's get into it.

Here we go, ladies and gentlemen. We've got this from Axios.com. Exclusive! DOJ, FBI, conclude Epstein had no client list and died by suicide. As we all suspected the DOJ would claim later on. Anyway, they say President Trump's Justice Department and FBI have concluded they have no evidence as we all suspected the DOJ would claim later on. Anyway, they say, President Trump's Justice Department and FBI have concluded they have no evidence that convicted sex offender and disgraced financier

Jeffrey Epstein blackmailed powerful figures, kept a client list, or was murdered, according to a memo detailing the findings obtained by Axios. The administration is releasing a video in both raw and enhanced versions that it says indicates no one entered the area of the Manhattan prison where Epstein was held

the night he died in 2019. The video supports a medical examiner's finding that Epstein died by suicide, the two page memo claims. Okay, let's stop right there. So this memo comes out and we end up with all these crazy tweets, everybody's pissed off, and one of the arguments that people were making is that the memo is fake. Indeed, it is not real. It was signed by nobody. Okay, well, I have the memo for you right here. Justice.gov. You can plainly see it.

I'm going to highlight this right now. See me? There we go. I'm going to press enter. There it is. I pressed enter. There's the memo. The memo reads, As part of our commitment to transparency, the Department of Justice and the Federal Bureau of Investigation have conducted an exhaustive review of investigative holdings relating to Jeffrey Epstein. To ensure that the review was thorough, the FBI conducted digital searches of its databases, hard drives, and network drives, as well as physical searches of squad areas, locked cabinets, desk closets, and other areas

where responsive material may have been stored. These searches uncovered a significant amount of material, including more than 300 gigabytes of data and physical evidence. The files relating to Epstein include a large volume of images of Epstein, images and video of victims who are either minors or peer-to-peer minors, and over 10,000 downloaded videos and images of illegal

child sex abuse material and other pornography. Teams of agents, analysts, attorneys, and privacy and civil liberties experts combed through the digital and documentary evidence with the aim of providing as much information as possible to the public while simultaneously protecting victims. Much of the material is subject to court-ordered sealing. Only a fraction of this material would have been aired publicly had Epstein gone to trial as the seal served only to protect victims and did not expose any additional third parties to allegations of illegal wrongdoing. Through this review we found no basis to revisit disclosure of those materials and will not permit the release of child pornography. The systematic

review revealed no incriminating client list. There was also no credible evidence found that Epstein blackmailed prominent individuals as part of his actions. We do not uncover evidence that could predicate an investigation against uncharged third parties. So the issue is the videos they claim to have, they can't show because of the victims, and there are no, in the tens, what is it, over 10,000 videos, no third parties that could in any way have criminal charges laid against them. That, believe is what most people find hard to believe. Now, there is a bit of a, there are many misconceptions going around.

One, that people think it's fake, and also that it claims Epstein and Maxwell did nothing wrong. It quite literally says in second paragraph, yo, it's pretty bad. But the idea that there's no client list is an absurdity. We're not claiming that Epstein created a client list. The argument, at least as far as I can tell, is there is a list of clients, meaning

there are names of individuals who flew to his island and engaged in these things with him. Those names would be written down and called a list of clients. Now here's what I want to do, because we could certainly read more, but they say that they have footage. They say the conclusion that Epstein died by suicide is further supported by video footage from the common area of the special housing unit where Epstein was housed at the time of his death.

As DOJ Inspector General explained in 2023, anyone entering or attempting to enter the tier where Epstein's cell was located from the SHU common area would have been captured by the footage. The FBI's independent review of this footage confirmed from the time Epstein was locked in his cell at around 1040 p.m. on August 9th to 19th until around 630 a.m. the next morning, nobody entered any of the tiers of the SHU. During this review, the FBI enhanced the relevant footage by increasing its contrast,

bouncing color and improving its sharpness for greater clarity, viewability. The full raw and enhanced videos are available at the following link. I'm going to click that link. And okay, so here's the video. And as you can see, all right, I have no idea what these doors are. I have no idea what I'm looking at. But hey, other people noticed this very interesting little tidbit. Let's jump to 115845. Take a look at the bottom left in the timestamp. In 10 seconds, what we're going to see is the the the footage will jump and skip over one whole minute. Three, two, one, not even one.

Geez. So then you can see it changes. And now it's jumped forward. The frame has changed and there is a minute of footage missing. If we jump for it, look at that. And the garbage can't just move us right here comes some guy. Some guy actually. Why did that? How did that move? Did he move it?

That's clearly not as unedited as they would. They it's not only not only is it actually edited, but it shows a guy walking in one of the rooms I don't know what that room is so what is the purpose of this video honestly and there we go hey look here's somebody entering the tear okay but he leaves where does that door go is that door leaving so here's a video of a guy walking in Throwing stuff into this what I imagine is this I'm guessing hallway totally is maybe it's a cell I don't I don't think you walk into and out of cells like that, but here is he's entered. Where's he going?

Okay, so here's a guy who just entered the the the tear or the room or whatever that was and Then I think if we jump back a little bit actually, isn't there somewhere just past, here you go. Here's a guy going in. So let me just say, they're not claiming Epstein did nothing wrong. They actually say that he did, but they're claiming he had no clients,

no evidence of third party wrongdoing. And everyone's basically saying, yo, that's ridiculous, highly unlikely, and the video footage they put out makes no sense. It's edited, there's people coming and going. I don't understand what they were trying to claim. There's another video, File 2, which I guess shows the same thing.

Does this also have a minute missing from it? Because there's two files. None of the, none of the, the information released. It does, same thing. Yo, check it out. None of it does anything to satisfy people that are curious about what had happened. Regardless of what your opinion is, whether you think that that Epstein killed himself or he was murdered or whatever, the information that's been released does nothing but muddy the waters more and make people doubt the reliability of an organization that already

has serious problems with credibility. So I feel like this is pointless and all it did was make things worse. Also, how many movies have we seen where you've got 60 seconds of camera blackout to get in and get out? Yeah, right. Yeah. Am I the only one? It's the whole plot of gone in 60 seconds. It's literally in a I don't know what the at least in movies, you know. Yeah, they'll say like you have one

minute and like 12 minutes later in the 60 seconds starts now. And and and we take 10 seconds for them to do whatever they have to do and we see two people one coming and one going so I gotta say this is weird the memo was not signed by anybody so here's the memo again is that justice.gov it is on their website no one signed this no one put their name on it who wrote this this? Why is it on their website? This is very, very weird. I'm trying to come up with predictions and probabilities in my mind of what the play was here. First is Hanlon's razor. Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.

Perhaps the DOJ was just like, how do we make people drop this without actually exposing powerful billionaires and princes and kings and politicians? Let's just claim it never happened. Here's my favorite thing about this. Remember phase one of the Epstein release? Yeah. Phase two. Apparently, there's nothing.

Thank you and have a nice day. Yeah. I mean, the whole thing, like the first thing was like everybody got egg on their face and now they're like the phase two, they're just like, you know, we're gonna take some more, you know, some more eggs and just smash them in their faces. Here you go, here you go. This is from justice.gov as well.

Attorney General Pamela Bondi releases first phase of declassified Epstein files. Phase, the first phase of declassified files, there's no second phase. Why did they call it that? Why didn't they call it the only phase? It doesn't make any sense to me. So anyway, here's the point.

Nobody signed this memo. So Hanlon's Razor, they're just like, we don't know how to get past this story. So let's just claim it never happened. And we won't really release it. We'll give it to the press, put it on the website, and then no one will say anything about it. I mean, that seems to be the highest probability, but that being said,

the end result, if I were to assume that the people at the DOJ were smart, at least smart enough, if they can think beyond the first order, then they'd probably say, hey, what happens after we do that? To which the response is, well, if you put out video footage, it's missing a minute, showing two people coming, one person coming in, one person going, no one signs the document, you will make the conspiracy substantially crazier. Because now people are wondering what the heck was the point of this? All this does is just give me more questions that I want answered honestly.

It feels like there was a fight behind the scenes, having nobody owning it, nobody signing it, nobody's holding a press conference about it. That means there was some kind of, they couldn't come to an agreement, they just had to get past it. It's a hot potato. I don't wanna touch it, I don't wanna hold it.

But wait, there's more. First, let me highlight this. They just had to get past it. It's a hot potato. I don't want to touch it. I don't want to hold it. Right. But wait, there's more. First, let me highlight this. Bondi says Epstein client list sitting on my desk right now and is reviewing JFK and MLK files. Okay. So we have this. Fox News', was it Peter Ducey, asked about this and Carol Levitt clarified she didn't

mean the client list. She meant all of the documents. And okay, I'm gonna give them that one. Basically, she was asked on Fox News about the client list and she goes, it's all on my desk, it's sitting on my desk right now. So the media reported that, what did she say? It's sitting on my desk right now to review. That's been a directive by President Trump. So she was saying it in reference to the client list. But the argument now is, no, no, I meant all of the Epstein stuff. Okay, fine. Check this out. ABC News published this

on July 1st. Mystery surrounds the Jeffrey Epstein files after Bondi claims tens of thousands of videos. They go to mention the comments made to reporters at the White House days after a similar remark to a stranger that hidden camera raised the stakes for President Trump. Yet weeks after Bonnie's remarks, it remains unclear what she was referring to the AP AP spoke with people involved as lawyers or law enforcement officials examine the cases and a social like Gillian Maxwell, who said they hadn't seen or didn't know of a trove of recordings like what Bondi described indictments

and detention memos do not reference the videos of Epstein with children and blah, blah, blah. Why did ABC and the Associated Press run a story outside of the news cycle with no predicate incident? Let me clarify this. Sometimes opinion websites looking for content and board will pick up a social or cultural issue and then run it even if it's old. It is uncharacteristic of ABC News and the AP to do this as they are not supposed to be, especially the AP opinion websites.

So why did the AP decide abruptly to just write a story claiming, that's strange, Pamela Bondi is wrong. There are no videos or any evidence. One week before this strange unnamed memo and weird video get dropped. I call this a fluffer story. I view it largely as having worked in newsrooms, it's primer for a future event. It makes no sense.

Look man, tell me, they'll call me crazy, they have to. But I've been in editorial meetings for numerous companies, various media outlets, as friends and as employees. And the meetings always start with what's the story? What's going on? It does not start with, hey, is there anything that we can write about that's not in the news cycle

where we'll have unnamed anonymous sources make claims about a political issue that we can't back up. So why did ABC write this one week ago? No, I mean, look, none of this makes any sense to me. Yep. Not at all. So then my next thought is, okay, well, if the DOJ is smart, is this the desired outcome? Did they want people like me and others to be saying this?

One of the conspiracies is that they brought all of these conservative influences to the White House, gave them all these binders that they all held up and smiled, they were brought outside in front of the press, and now they're all being discredited, saying you latched onto this narrative, you were wrong, it was a lie. To be fair at the same time, you know, I don't really believe that by the way, but Cash and

Dan are being largely discredited as well, as well as Pam Bondi. So I have no idea what this is or what's really going on. I think the best assessment, sorry, just the best assessment is I think Sernovich was saying this, what do you think they were doing the past several years? The reason there's no evidence is not that Pam and cash and Dan are covering it up It's that the Democrats covered it up a long time ago. I Mean that's no evidence left for them to get to exactly. So they just burn bite at their time. I Have no idea. I mean, there's obvious. There's the popular narratives which are, you know, Trump is,

from the Democrats at least, Trump is implicated. So Donald Trump said to Cash and to Dan Bongino and AG Bondi to make it go away. It won't come out because Donald Trump is in there. There is the idea that it was the, all the information was actually scrubbed a long time ago because this is, you know, what he died in, was he, he died in what 22? Was it, I think something like that? 21 or 22? Yeah, something like that. And the previous administration got rid of all of the information. But neither of those are particularly satisfying. And I particularly satisfying and I don't know that there's any evidence

to validate either of those stories. There's circumstantial evidence, but there's nothing solid. So I mean, I have no idea that- Would it have even been in the previous administration's best interest to scrub that evidence like wouldn't well The other conspiracy theory is that in 2020 there was a plot to steal the election from Trump Because they wanted to go in and clean all this up. I Don't know that I you know that we can just talk about the 2020 election and say there's a lot of weird things about it Now cash has released information that there was a Chinese plot to produce fake mail-in ballots.

We don't know where that's going. The DOJ at the time covered that up saying that, you know, or I said covered up, they refused to investigate the lead. So there are questions about what really happened in terms of foreign influence. Maybe we'll never know. Certainly some people think weird and crazy things. I think ballot harvesting and changing the rules through judges and governors was how it was largely pulled off. But the argument would be that Democrats got in

by any means necessary, even if it was gonna be Joe Biden, because they wanted to go into the DOJ and go in the FBI offices and get rid of any incriminating evidence. Yeah, there's an awful lot of reasons why the Democrats want to win that election. You know, other than, of course, you know, of course, covering, covering your tracks is whoa, covering up tracks is just fine.

But opening the borders for four years and flooding in 10 million people, reconstructing America, reconstructing the world. I mean, they've, they've, they've got a pretty big agenda. They, they think in their minds, the reason they're covering up for themselves is because they're going to save the world. I mean they've got a pretty big agenda. They think in their minds the reason they're covering up for themselves is because they're going to save the world. Yeah, that's what they really do. In the way that the emperor was trying to save the galaxy, you know what I mean? Yeah. We do have this before we wrap up, but I want to highlight this tweet from Sernovich from 2019. Jeff Epstein's butler kept a detailed log of Epstein's crimes. Epstein's butler tried selling this information which the FBI admitted was damning. Prosecutors

gave Epstein a free pass, however, and indicted the butler for trying to sell the information. How about them apples? You know what man, I'm starting to see a lot of people say things like, you know what, I don't care about the Epstein story, we lost, they destroyed the evidence a long time ago, let's focus on Trump's agenda and what we can do. I half agree with that, half. I understand the reality is powerful forces in government probably destroyed this evidence a long time ago.

2020. And we're chasing our tails and wasting time with that being reality. That being said, I think they're handling this miserably and there is a way to deal with it if that is the case. And that is, from the get-go they should have said said it is not so simple as to just release this sorry we're still investigating and look into anyone who may have destroyed evidence. Pam Bondi put out that letter saying the FBI was withholding evidence from her. Yeah. They should have said this is going deep and it's getting weird and if we want to get these prosecutions we need to investigate properly. But if that's not the case, then this whole thing just, I mean, it

stinks poorly, poorly done. It stinks. But, you know, from from the position of someone that's, you know, watching the sidelines, there's not a whole lot we can do except for just be like, you know, like, what the hell, you know, which it's my understanding that that's what they've been doing this entire time anyway since this administration Started was just kind of

Holding off. You know like we don't have it yet. We don't have it yet. We're looking we're looking we don't have it yet Why now like why all of a sudden okay? You know what we're just gonna out this with what we've got you know even if it's no name on it really sell the marker And no one's gonna sign it Like it came from no one. What does that do for you or anyone else or people for that matter? Possibly in a few months. They'll try running the narrative that Epstein.

Oh, what do you do? The DOJ put out the thing saying that was that was all hubbub. What do you mean? Don't you remember that and the videos they prove the video? Yeah, and then we will be like, no, that's not correct. But the average person will only passively absorb the information will go didn't the didn't like Trump come out and say that he He's committed suicide or something. You know, but no, but no, I heard it was like Trump said it shrug

Yeah, there you go. There's gonna be a whole lot of like people just be like palms up. This doesn't make any sense Obviously there are people that are really upset There are people that are saying that this, they regret their vote, which I think is way overboard. I mean, just the, we're gonna go on to stories about ice raids and about the positives of the immigration reform and stuff like that in a few minutes, and that alone, in my opinion,

was reason enough to vote for Trump. Let me ask you, Il-Ram. Here's what I think happened with the Epstein list. I think Epstein did this. I think Epstein was blackmailing powerful people. I think many of these people were probably princes, politicians, prime ministers. Prince Andrew, of course, was already implicated. He's apparently, that's it.

That's the Epstein client list. One, Prince Andrew. Two, nobody else already implicated. He's apparently, that's it, that's the Epstein client list. One, Prince Andrew. Two, nobody else. I think he did it. And I think the reason the US, even under Trump, will not release it, is that there's gonna be powerful CEOs. When they get outed, their companies will start collapsing,

the stock value will drop. There's gonna be alliances and foreign leaders, and it's going to cause political tumult in a bunch of different countries. I think that the US government, Pam Bondi, Dan Bongino, cash, they get in there, they see the evidence, and they went, how many companies will this destroy?

And they're like, it could be a couple dozen. Right, when the CEOs are outed as being on this island with this guy, their stock is going to cut in half. What about foreign world leaders? There's a lot of them too. It could dissolve, it could destroy international trade lines and throw the world into chaos. We're talking about the world's most powerful elites. And so then the powers that be within the government, even the ones we like are going,

we have no choice but to just shut this down. Do you see that as making sense? Or am I crazy to think that's the greater probability of what happened? No, I think it makes some sense. I think, look, there's a lot of people, I personally, there's plenty of people who were on that island, the dirtbags, I would love to see the Clintons or Eud Barak, I would, you know, I would love to see, you know, the Clintons or it would Barack I mean, there's

plenty of people he knows seriously, just I would love to see them get in trouble. Was Barack on the island? I think he was on the island. I'm sorry, if I don't know. These really press is always running like pictures of him like like visiting Epstein in Manhattan. I don't actually know if he was on Trump flew on the plane Elon said Trump was on the list. Yeah, now the list is getting covered up. Yeah, look

If you're if you're Donald Trump right now, okay I mean, I think I think the argument you're making it it makes some sense But it also makes sense to look at it from from a different direction You know Trump Trump he has this from a different direction. You know, Trump, he has this taste for pictures, you know, with him getting photographed with a whole lot of little girls, women, like around him. He likes to be a protector. He says, I'm going to protect women whether they want it or not.

He thinks it's important as a man, as president, as the leader of the world, he thinks it's important for him to be like moving towards peace, moving towards justice. And I can easily see in addition to like the economic mess you're talking about, if it's not possible to get indictments, if it's not possible to have a serious debate about all these different kinds of world figures without bringing in, you know, who knows, hundreds of then underage girls. You can just, I don't know, you can see him saying, this is all dirt, it's going to consume the next two years, there's no way to get to the end of it. And my agenda is gone. Like he's, you know, he's old enough. He remembers the way that Olly North, you know, and the the Iran-Russia affair, right? Two years of Reagan's presidency,

down the drain, and you never got to the bottom of it. And he could just be thinking, well, what do I get out of this? What does America get out of this? Let me ask all you guys. If you were given evidence of Epstein's client list and it included business magnates world leaders and they said You make the choice to publish this but it will sever alliances of the United States It will potentially spark civil unrest in numerous countries It will destroy several fortune 500 companies, potentially sending the US market into a crisis or depression. Would you do it? Would you release all the information to

the world? I mean, there's no question that you have a moral obligation to, but we're talking about balancing the scales here in a situation where the scales are seemingly unbalanceable. Do you take the moral high ground and say we need to release this because the public has a right to it or do you allow everything to be shared? Maintain the stability. How do you make that call? I'm of two minds, right? First of all, there is a human cost in that kind of course of action, right?

If it destroys global markets, if it causes a bunch of chaos, there are going to be a lot of people that are going to lose their lives. There's a lot of people that will die. There is a direct correlation between the GDP of a country and how many people die per year. That is undeniable now That is that alone would make some people say no, it's not worth it Just just because of the lives it saved now there's already people the people that that that were trafficked their lives are already ruined destroyed and if you out the people that have done the

Destroying and this is a hypothetical of course, but if you out the people that have done the destroying and it does more damage, then it's not worth it because you have a net loss of life and it only makes things worse. That being said, there's also the possibility that that kind of shock to the system could allow for restructuring of significant problems

that we have in the US and globally. So I don't know what I would do personally and I'm glad that I don't have to make that call but the people that are like oh I'm Rorschach from from the Watchmen I would say just let it out like there's a human cost. I'd do it. Well I mean there you go. I'd release it. That actually is a very good comparison in my opinion because that's it. That is it's it's a Dvorak situation totally I completely agree. Okay so just so you've got somebody I wouldn't.

You would you would. No I just I look I think we we sent Trump in there he's surrounded by good guys. People, you know, when Cash Patel was, when he was appointed, there was weeks where everybody was trying to cover up things. They were just tearing their hair out. Cash Patel can't go in there. It's just the end of the world. So we sent him in. We sent Bongino in. These are people who, look, I know people are cynical about this, but this is representative government. You and I can't go in to the archives at the FBI. We don't have any way of doing that. We send people who we trust. We're not going to get better people than this. We sent the best people. I mean, this is just, this is a government

that wants to clean up, to drain the swamp will never get a better government than this. If these people go in and and and they say look this is this is what we've got look. I think it's an addiction and it's a moral sickness and you know there are similar so those are not familiar with the Watchmen comic basically what happens is the villain stages a global catastrophe to force the Russians and the US to align themselves, ending the Cold War. Rorschach, one of the quote-unquote heroes, more of an antihero, says, no the world must be told the truth. And Dr. Manhattan says you will you will cause nuclear annihilation if you tell them the truth. he goes never compromised. So, Dr. Manhattan superhero blows him up. My view

is what kind of world will come tomorrow if elite billionaire pedophiles get away with what they've done. We know they got away with what they've done. You're not preserving anything but a moldy piece of cake. You can say the American the American experiment resulted in this delicious moist vanilla cake with cream cheese frosting and salted caramel swirls. And at this point, it is moldy and disgusting.

And the argument is, but we still have cake? If there are elite powerful individuals that have done what they've claimed to do, it sickens me to think they're sitting there with their feet up going, I am so important, I can do whatever I want without consequence. And the of that sends now. Here's a reality about law Let's say you're a small town Business magnate you live in an area of two three thousand people and you own the local

brakepad factory You're the CEO and you're caught. I don't know with some ladies of the night You don't go to jail. You don't get charged. Never happens. Because the cops will see you and they'll go, oh no. The mayor, their boss will say, do you have any idea what will happen to this town if you arrest this man for the crimes he committed? It's a victimless crime. Just do nothing. Okay? It was him and some lady. We know it's illegal. If you're in this small town and you get arrested and go to jail and that puts the big factory at risk, jobs could be lost and the town could go under so they protect you. This

is true at all scales. The bigger you are, the more powerful you are, the more likely it is they will not charge you because of concerns of how it will disrupt everything else. So when you are the CEO of a big tech company, or you're a prince or a prime minister, their attitude is, it is better that we shut this thing down, tell them never again, and just walk away from it. And what that means is, tomorrow, the next day, the day after that, the narrative we have set, the world we have created is, you can be the most evil of evil men, and you'll get away with it because you're powerful.

That means if you wanna be evil, make sure you do evil in scale with how much power you've attained. I reject that. That's, I know I can recognize it's easy to say. This is like raging against the human condition though, because there's always been people in, you know, high levels of power, high levels of authority

that essentially can get away from, you know, that are above the law. I mean, when you're dealing with royalty, currently, they're, you know, there's royalty. There's Andrew. Yeah. But I mean, the United States and the idea that everybody is subject to the law

is novel in human history and it has always been where people that are wealthy people that are in positions of power have the ability to escape the repercussions of the laws that they break so that's just that's so the idea that that that that this will solve anything that in the future this wouldn't happen again, I don't think that's the case. No, I think there's definitely a hierarchy there too, because you see this with sports figures

and things like that and actors and stuff like that, where it's almost like it seems like it's a win for them to be like, oh yeah, this guy totally DUI last night, you know, and was caught with three prostitutes and you know, a pound of cocaine in his trunk. That's a win for them, because while he may be a multimillionaire, he's not in that higher bracket of people that it's going to change anything. It almost seems like it's worth it for them to out something like that because it shows,

hey, we're still doing our job even though these guys are rich. You know? Yep. Look, it makes me sick just like it makes you sick. Every normal person is going to be sickened by the thing you're describing. I just think that if you are Donald Trump, he's got his eyes laser focused first before anything else, the border, the immigration situation, second, reshoring factories, the economy, that's the reason that he's hanging out in the Middle East with all of these, you know, sheiks. He doesn't like this. He's doing it

because he wants to bring those trillions to the United States because he thinks he's gonna save it. And he just doesn't want to get derailed. That's a legit... But I'm not asking about what Trump is or is not doing. We don't exactly know what evidence he has or doesn't have, and I understand the argument that Trump is focused on his agenda, but I suppose the implication with your argument is that you are saying you believe Trump knows these pedos, knows who they are and want to arrest them. Tim, someone in the chat mentioned Blackstone's formulation, the idea that

one, it's better that 10 guilty people go free than one innocent person suffer. How do you square that with the idea of outing this people? Because these people, they go free for breaking the law and it saves lives. Formulation was never let evil men do things so that random other people are safe from life. It's not, it's not safe from life. Blackstone's formulation is talking about the government exercising its authority over individuals

to cause them suffering. If the truth causes you suffering, that is reality. If you were born in South Sudan suffering, that is reality. If you were born in South Sudan, your GDP is $400, and that's not my fault. No, it's not your fault. So if there are elite, powerful pedos that are running big companies and exposing the evil

causes downstream bad things to happen, that is not me exercising authority to destroy your life. That is just, you are in the stream of evil wouldn't well I mean that's that's I don't know that they're in the stream of evil that the the people that you're you're punishing while they deserve it right that's not Blackstone's formulation just what I'm just using the I'm not saying it's exact same thing but what I'm saying is okay then well okay that's that's that's a perfectly legitimate point the idea that I'm gonna be like listen

I can't arrest this murderer because he has three small children think about the suffering They'll have by not having a dad now. He goes to jail this idea that we have with the with the immigration thing Oh, you can't deport these people. They have children who are born in America. They committed a crime. This is the penalty We're giving them a ride back to their home country and if the kids want to go with them, they can. But think about the suffering the kids will endure back home in Honduras. That is not my fault. That is not me exercising authority to punish them.

Blackstone's formulation is if the government is choosing to incarcerate you and deprive you of your rights with the potentiality that you are an innocent person, that is what it seeks to avoid. You're completely right. What if he can't, what if the reality is that they cannot make any of these cases, that they know who they might go after, they can't make any of these cases without bringing, you know, all these women who were children at the time. Without that, without, you know, years of this, there's no way to put these people away. It's

not that nobody cares, it's just that they look at the trajectory. What are we going to have to do in order to get there? It's not just publishing a list. It's like, what do we have to do to get there? This can't be what we spend the next two years on. Indeed. When the Snowden files got released to Laura Poitras, Glenn Greenwald, a few others, they trickled it out. And I think they did it for personal gain. I think they thought, we can sit on this trove of documents, slowly releasing things over time and we will have content for years.

Got big investors, started a company. I along with everyone else said just dump all of it. Yeah, just release it. Now. I don't completely agree with Snowden's releasing of the documents as well because he was a leaker not a whistleblower. There's a big difference in his leaking. We gained information about illicit government programs. Whistleblowing is here's a specific program that is illegal.

That being said, once the information was out, I said just release it. Like just do it. Like the idea is sit and wait for it. I would say probably eight or 90 percent of all that information was just forgotten about. People moved on. They didn't go through it. You could have decentralized the release. You could have or even at the least, find a happy medium split up amongst different people. I think the challenge there ultimately though was redaction, so it is what it is. In this regard, I am sick and tired of this, but won't anyone think of the evil?

But won't anyone think of the evil people? They're sitting there saying, we must live in a world. Like, let me put it this way. Perhaps the reaction to all of this is China wins. We destabilize ourselves by releasing this information of the Americans that were under blackmail. Then this causes market problems that China doesn't face. And Trump's saying, there's no way I'm going to

let America suffer because these sickos, that I understand. But I think ultimately the question is, what nation do you build? I don't know that I understand. But I think ultimately the question is what nation do you build? I don't know that I would have, let's just call it whatever you want, the strength of moral character to protect a bunch of powerful globalist elitist pedophiles for the sake of the vision of your nation. I'd just be like those people, we got to do it do it. They gotta go to jail. They gotta get locked up, they gotta get arrested. And it's not a question of creating a plan to arrest them.

It's saying, here you go everybody, take a look. Figure it out. But that being said, let's jump to the next story. Ladies and gentlemen, major raids taking place in Los Angeles. Iconic City is grinding to a halt as ICE raids send its many migrant workers into hiding. So we've got these videos that are popping up.

Take a look at this with Mayor Karen Bass. I am so happy, so so happy to see all of this. There was a viral tweet, several in fact, over the weekend. Traffic on the 4th of July in LA, none. All the highways were green. People were shocked. There's videos of construction workers, full teams, running full speed at the construction sites. And they tell me I should care, and I don't know why.

They're not gonna convince me to care. This is massive. It's what the American people voted for. Trump's now got more funding for this. I think ICE is now one of the biggest law enforcement operations departments in the country. And we are seeing real tangible effects in Los Angeles as these criminal aliens are fleeing and many of them self-deporting. Yeah the downstream effects of Trump's policies regarding the border and

regarding ICE and stuff like that they're they're starting to manifest and I think that the positives that people haven't thought of are gonna really shock them. You know, the amount, like just the idea that traffic is, you know, in LA, I mean, I don't know how many people... Well, we don't need to, we don't need the EVs anymore. We don't need electric vehicles? We don't need self-driving autonomous electric vehicles because traffic has alleviated itself. Well, I mean, fair enough, but I still like my Tesla.

No, you're allowed to have one. I'm just saying the idea that all of this traffic is causing a big problem so we need to get rid of cars not anymore. Not only that but like the you know visits to the emergency room if you've got people that are that are here illegally they're not going to a primary care to see you know a specialist when they have something wrong they're gonna go to the emergency room and they're like hey I've got this problem makes the wait you the wait time significantly longer. They're not lining up outside the welfare offices or the food pantries or anything like that because they're just not here.

Yeah, the services that the American people depend on are gonna see significant, you know, lightening of the load. We were just in Chicago and when we landed, Brandon was like, we better get to the hotel right away, otherwise traffic's going to get real bad. And then we drove on the highway and it was straight shot. I also didn't know that they had postponed all of the festivities until the day after the 4th. Because everything that I thought

we were going to see traffic for that day, we didn't until the following day. Well, speaking of immigration, Chicago doesn't do fireworks anymore. That blew my mind. The Chicago fire. Why is that? Well, the arguments I hear is,

but Navy, Navy Pier does fireworks. It's a private thing. Navy Pier has generic Wednesday, Saturday fireworks. Chicago as a city used to do a 4th of July ceremony. We'd all go down to the lake. Everybody would line up and they'd watch. Now it's non-descriptive holiday period. And Navy Pier has fireworks, but they always have fireworks.

So it's not a special moment. Because they don't want to celebrate America. Well, these are fired out over the lake too. So I wonder if it's a kind of a jurisdictional thing as well, where they're allowed to shoot them over the lake. But we used to have them along the Chicago River right there in the city, and they did not see that. Well, we used to have them along the Chicago River right there in the city and they did not see that. Well, it was, we used to celebrate this country.

When I was, when I visited home, it's not all immigration, but the baseball fields at my local park are overgrown with weeds. They put up two big soccer goals just in the middle of the baseball fields. And it looks, to be honest, within the past couple years, the baseball fields being overgrown are a product of people not having kids and not bringing their kids out to play baseball. When I was a kid, every weekend, there were four baseball fields and they were full.

Actually, I think there were six. Kelly Park. I used to play Little League there when I was a kid. Nobody's there anymore. Nobody's there. And so, it's not just immigration. Immigration is a component of and a symptom of. The reason why Democrats argue Nobody's there. And so it's not just immigration. Immigration is a component of and a symptom of.

The reason why Democrats argue they need to bring out these immigrants is because there's no workers and there's no young people. But that's also contributing to a decline in American cultural traditions and norms as well as people not having kids and bringing them out. So it's compounding. Yeah, it's two things. Right. The rule of law, which you were talking about before, if you want to see the Trump administration

puts its foot down and says, there is going to be law in this country, they're number one, they're showcase, we're going to reimpose law, is on immigration. And so the other thing, the second thing is what you're saying is, how are you going to return love of the country? How are you going to return that it's permissible to love this country, to

join your fortune to it and to say this is something great and important? If you don't reassert there is such a thing as an American, there's such a thing as an American border, there's such a thing as American territory, and there's an American inheritance, if you don't reassert that, then you're not going to have anything. Well, love is earned, not bought in my opinion, unless obviously you subscribe to OnlyFans, but... Quote-unquote love. Yeah. Man, we drove around our old neighborhood, and it's crazy to see, very few people walking around. The park was largely empty, and it was the fourth, it was the fourth of July, and it was just mostly empty.

And we had talked about this before, people are just staying inside, they're not going out. It's crazy to think, but the internet really has caused a lot of these problems. But it's a combination of the internet creating a digital social foe interaction online where you don't need to go outside anymore. And people didn't have kids. So there's no kids to play Little League anymore, even if you wanted to. And then nobody goes outside. It used to be back in the day, I'd be sitting at home as a little kid and I'd be like, I

want to be doing something. Where are my friends? I'd have to go outside, go find them, call my friends as they're not here. I think they're at the park. Okay. Let's go try and find them riding around, trying to find people. Now it's you sit in, you sit in the house, you sit in line, you swipe on Tik Tok. Yep. Actually run into each other in the street and it would just be like, Oh, Hey, Oh, and then we hang out and then we hang out for the next day and we do things like that. I'd be skating on the street and then brand would be skating and I'd be like, oh, hey, there you are Let's go skate somewhere else And then we now we're in a group and we pick up a couple more people on the way now

We've got a full team and we're out and we're doing things all night You'd think with the internet you'd be able to just connect instantly and everybody would be together. It's not it's the opposite Well, I'm curious to see if this is the same thing in other cities too Because I know in crime as far as crime goes in Chicago that that that's gone way up obviously since, you know, the pandemic. And it seems to me, I mean, obviously there was that River North shooting that happened for people and, you know, a couple dozen injured just days before the fourth. It makes me wonder if that does play a factor in some of this as well, because how could

it not? You know, I know that I haven't wanted to go downtown in years, just short from moving out of there entirely, just because things were so bad downtown that there was absolutely no point. You can't enjoy yourself down there without having to have your head on the swivel. Here's a cultural degradation. The old temple downtown is a casino now. Talk about a complete inversion. But I'm curious, just with all this stuff going on, your thoughts as it pertains to nationalism

and how we reverse this trend. How do we restore that spirit? I think Trump's doing it. I think that's what he wants to do. Oh, you can see it for sure. Just take a look, just as kind of like an iconic moment. Trump and Melania on the balcony with the B2s flying over. People obviously have all sorts of mixed feelings about the B2s and foreign policy, but just

focus for a second on the way he sees it, thinking about what does this do for America? This is the greatest technology in the world he says and he stands there saluting through the entire Star Spangled Banner and then these incredible, you know, these machines that they're just like magic. They're like science fiction, this flying wing thing that can fly to the other side of the world and do pinpoint bombing. He's standing there saluting.

He's not saluting the bombers, obviously. He's saluting America, and he really believes in that. And he's trying to inspire that in people. I think Trump sees largely what I'm discussing, what many people have seen. When you go back to your hometown and see the baseball fields overgrown with weeds, and you say, why was there no steward of this, of what we had, of what we did? Every day we came together. I mean, it's wild to remember when I was a kid to see six, they played baseball, little

league next to each other in the fields, and the balls would cross over. It was like, that's how much- Games would overlap, absolutely. It's crazy. Now nothing but overgrown weeds. I think Trump sees that more so than just this one field. He sees the whole country and says, why aren't we celebrating the 4th of July? Why are they tearing down statues of George Washington?

What is happening? Not just the decline of America, but the decline of Americanism. And so it's interesting when you look at at Los Angeles you look at these scenes I mean there is really there's really a fight here between the will of the the Trump administration to kind of reconquer these cities and make them part of America again and And and and a kind of resistance that doesn't want that America doesn't want to see it come back Indeed and I think When we're looking at the statements of people like Zoran Mamdani and these Democrats and people like Karen Bass, they, there's going to come a point,

and I think that point is largely now, where people start to recognize there is America, this country, the United States of America, we call it America. And then there is this invasive ideological force with a large component being non-citizens and of course the non-citizens want what is not theirs. There is, as you mentioned, the American inheritance that our ancestors, be it the children of slaves, Native Americans, the colonists who have been here, and legal immigrants as well, who have said, please tell me by the rules by which I can be a part of your club. And we said yes. And these people want, these leftists want to bring in those who would oppose and defy

and destroy. And of course, when they say our democracy, when they say we are under attack, they are not referring to this country, its values or its people. They're referring to themselves as an invasive infecting force that wants to disrupt and dismantle. And now New York, our once great city, has a guy who says he's going to defy the law intentionally.

Trump's threatening to arrest them for it. When you have a mayor, and it's not just Zohran Mamdani as a potential mayor, but Karen Bass and all these other mayors saying they will do everything in their power to prevent the federal government from enforcing the law in those places, and then some of these places, like in New York and California, say non-citizens should vote, they are telling you, we are not you, we are not your citizens, we have nothing but disddain for your country and we will give ourselves the power to destroy you Trump is saying no to that Yeah, and then they're just look at the flags. They fly. I mean foreign countries know the fly

Mexican flags Palestinian flags All sorts of flags that the Social Revolution flags But they won't fly American flags. Well not to mention seeing Americans burning American flags recently in the news, which is also just ridiculous. But these are the co-conspirators. These are the people who hate this country and they want to see it burn and they're happy living in the fringes in the dirt.

Okay, and the important thing is this isn't just, it isn't just two sides, you know, each one saying about the other, oh, you're terrible, which is pretty normal. I mean, it's normal for democracy that there's that kind of thing. Here as soon as liberalism moves over into Marxism and the explicit goal is overthrowing, right? I mean, when he's talking, Mond's saying seize the means of production. He's explicitly talking about uproot the past, uproot the future. There's going to be a whole new world that I'm going to build. It's not the one that you had before.

Yep. Right. Let's jump to this story from the Post. My friends, I did a morning segment talking about an officer getting shot in an ICE facility and I missed this story in the morning. Did y'all know that Texas Border Patrol were ambushed by a mass shooter? Suspect in Texas Border Patrol ambushed and identified as Ryan Louis Mosqueda. They say Border Patrol agents were ambushed by an active shooter when they arrived at the Border Patrol annexed facility in McAllen, Texas on Monday morning. Law enforcement has said no federal officers were shot in the incident annex facility in McAllen, Texas on Monday morning. Law enforcement has said no federal officers

were shot in the incident, however, one McAllen, Texas police officer was struck and is in unstable condition. The gunman was shot and killed by officers on the scene and has been identified as Ryan Louis Mascata. According to Fox News' Bill Mulugan, three federal and Texas law enforcement sources tell me an active shooter with a rifle and tactical gear ambushed border patrol agents as they arrived

at a border patrol annex facility in McAllen, Texas this morning. Local police and agents returned fire, killing him. I'm told this was a purposeful ambush and attack against federal agents, and a press conference is planned for later this morning. No federal agents were injured. Now, you know what's really challenging? When I started, the reason why I did not know this was a different story, let me show you for later this morning. No federal agents were injured. Now, you know what's really challenging? When I started, the reason why I did not know

this was a different story, let me show you this from the Post-Millennial. Multiple suspects in custody after officers shot outside Texas ICE facility on July 4th. There were two stories in the news over the past few days. In, I believe it's Alvarado, is it, what is it, Alvarado? Yes, Alvarado Police Department in Texas. They responded to a suspicious person.

The man had a gun, shot a cop in the neck, who was airlifted to a hospital, treated and discharged. I see that story where they say a cop got shot. I then see another story where they say a cop got shot, and I thought it was the same story. In fact, it was two different stories, one from the fourth on Friday and one from today, Monday. So when I was running my show,

I thought this was the same story because heaven help me, two cops getting shot in three days, two instances where armed extremist leftist anti-ICE people are shooting at federal law enforcement did not seem fathomable. But here we are right now, this morning. I know Phil, it's funny. Well, I was just googling. I wanted to find out exactly who the guy went after, like which which which

Border Patrol unit. Turns out he went after BORTECH, which is the Border Patrol Tactical Unit. They specialize in in anti-terrorist and like hostage arrest. It's literally like, dude, dude said, I'm going to take on a whole SWAT unit myself. Grok just brought that up for me. So I'm sorry for interrupting, but I just know it's it's just Democrats have been escalating calls for violence. And now over the weekend, armed leftists went to Alvar- and presumably Alvarado to the police department that just is in Texas, shot a cop in the neck.

And in McAllen, a guy with a rifle ambushed federal law enforcement officers. When the Democrats keep claiming that ICE are Nazis, Gestapo, kidnapping children, which is a lie, this was the predictable outcome. We talked about this with the Briego Garcia. When they kept saying a Maryland man, a Maryland man was deported. When in fact he's an MS-13 gang member

charged with smuggling humans and was deported to his home country, they lied and said it was a Maryland man, a construction worker. And then you end up with stupid people thinking, wow, Trump is rounding up Americans and putting them in camps. So what do they do? They do this.

I mean, there was a time where, you know, the idea of stochastic terrorism, you heard about the left talking about it all the time that, you Donald Trump's rhetoric his racist rhetoric was was actually stochastic Terrorism etc etc You don't hear that very much from the left anymore considering all of the fire bombing of Tesla dealerships people shooting at Tesla dealerships people attacking the Border Patrol literally, you know taking rifles and trying to attack because they, they're actually adding fuel to the fire. Like people are already wigging out and there was a story I think Tim's going to talk about it a little bit later, but the people are actually

saying Democrats need to stand up and actually put them, Democrat representatives need to put themselves in harm's way so that way they can protect. The line was they should do something that will get them shot. Yeah. That is a clear statement of you should engage in violence that threatens the life or safety of law enforcement officers.

That's the only reason they're going to shoot you. Insane. But I'm pretty sure that we saw most of this. I don't know if you agree. I think we saw most of this in this in the summer of 2020. We had six. We saw shot cops getting shot. There was a number of different incidents where cops were killed. This is... well finish your point. Look you guys have got the tech. You can look it up.

I'm pretty sure that what we're seeing is a moment where Trump was here before for whatever it was, five months between June and November in the year 2020. America had 100 cities burning, and Trump didn't do anything. Maybe he didn't feel like he had the power to, but I actually think that most of what was going on was people believed that the left would be blamed for it. Like the Republicans. I mean good Republicans too, not just bad Republicans. I think people were sitting and saying let the left, let them do all the worst, people will then be defeated in the election,

and it didn't happen. And this is for Trump, for his administration, for his whole worldview in the future of America. This is the moment of truth. He's revisiting this moment with the same violence and the same hatred. And the question now is, can he stamp it out? Is he going to put his foot down enough to actually be

able to stamp it out? If not. So when I said no to your point, you asked, is is Kenny stamp it out is he gonna put his foot down enough to actually be able to stamp it out if not So when I said no to your point you asked we've all you said we've already seen this Dozens of officers were shot in 2020. There was the story of the cop who was shot in the neck and paralyzed There were what is it in st. Louis four officers shot on June 1st during the unrest multiple officers were shot on June 1st during the unrest. Multiple officers were shot, two officers shot in Buffalo, I remember that. Hundreds of officers were injured, more than 300 incidents. This is different.

What about Texas? Wasn't there a sniper who killed cops in Texas? Yes. I don't know if that was during George Floyd riots though. Okay. Let's see. You're right know if that was during George Floyd riots though. Okay. Let's see. You're right, no it was. It was San Antonio.

That's when, yep, he was, yep. Indeed, the reason why I say this is different is that during riots, during chaos, I believe that it's largely these people go out there to riot, and then if chaos happens, shootings happen. These two incidents are armed leftist groups or an individual intentionally going to a facility for the purpose to kill police. So the difference being, one, I would say the sniper downtown in Antonio, more does somewhat align with this.

That was an intentional targeting of police. This is the targeting of federal law enforcement, intentionally ambush style. I do believe this is something we have not seen before. Obviously there's overlap and there'll be a debate about it. I think on a larger degree. But also the Tesla stuff. I know what you're citing too.

We did see a couple of cases where it did look like officers were being intentionally targeted because a few of my friends were officers and I remember a time where I was checking on them regularly to make sure that they hadn't been targeted. But I think in this instance, the targeting is a little more widespread and is definitely being put out there like propaganda. And this is being done by people who do not believe there should be consequences for it. So I mean, how do you oust something like this when these people believe that they are above the law and they are serving a higher purpose? Because they disagree with a political agenda. I I just think so

Let me let me try and clarify during a riot These people feel like they have cover to do these things This is plain day people showing up and shooting cops and ICE agents. That's just crazy. I think you're certainly right that the left is, they're more desperate. I mean, in 2020, they felt like the wind in their sails. They felt like they were winning. They were on a roll. Here they're on the defensive. Now they've got a real organized administration, a real organized movement trying to put them down. They are more desperate, that's for sure. It's hard to see this as anything else other than like a seven-year-old throwing a tantrum because he has to eat his Brussels sprouts though. And I mean, you know, at the end of

the day, you can't be for this type of violence. You can't be for this. I mean, these are people that are also parents, you know, like these people are part of this country. They're not. I think I think we're at war. It's just what does war mean? The the the so I don't I don't mean a formal declaration. I don't mean I think the ideological conflict clearly consists of two principal forces. They want control over the system. Donald Trump, there's a photo of a Democrat crying on the steps of the Capitol building after Trump got his big, beautiful bill signed.

And the meme was, Democrats know it's over. Trump's going to start deporting all of these people. When they say our democracy, they literally view us as an enemy they seek to destroy who's winning. We don't view them the same way. Conservatives largely have not understood the threat posed by communists and socialists like Zoran Mamdani who literally say they will stop the will of the American people from being enforced. I want to stress this again. Zoran has several quotes where he says he will protect people from deportation. He will stop ICE wherever he can.

Trump said then we'll have to arrest them. Understand what that means. The American people through the system created by the founding fathers voted for an administration, every branch of government, to enforce our immigration laws. Zoran Mamdani says, he says, the will of the American people be damned. We will oppose your laws, your government, and your law enforcement, and we will publicly declare it.

They are hoping you let them do it. And you know what? If you have two countries, let's call it the Fritten and Brant's. And one day, a bunch of Brench people, thousands march across the border into Fritten and just start going in houses and setting up shop. And the government of Fritten says, we're not going to think about it, it's fine. You will not have a war.

Your shops are being taken over, the language is changing, people start fighting and disagree with the religion of the people and the traditions of the people, you start getting various clashes all over the place, and your crown, the crown of Friton still says, we don't care. There's no war, right? But what happens if the branch people

are marching into Fritten and the king of Fritten says, no, you cannot come into our towns, take our homes, take our shops, and take our land, and resists, the branch people fight, and now you have a war. The only reason, in my opinion, we are not in any kind of formal declaration of war is that conservatives largely don't want one and don't do anything about it. The left clearly does. When the right does not engage, the left is violent.

When the right engages, the left escalates their violence. As you mentioned, they're desperate. The right does not do this. We saw one principal event with the Capitol riots that were bad. And even then it was a thousand people one time in a very bad circum, a very bad riot. The left riots all the time, nonstop.

And what happens if the police try and stop the riots? The left will riot more. If Donald Trump comes in and puts the boot down on these shooters, there will be more of them soon. Their intention is to destroy us. They have exemplified it with their actions. Trump is not doing anything other than winning an election, funding the law enforcement for the second biggest issue in the election, and carrying out the will of the American voter. All of that is what is

supposed to happen in our system of governance. The left riding, throwing bricks, burning things down, smashing buildings, throwing molotovs at cops, is violence and is a violation of our laws and our system that we voted for. The moment Trump starts fighting back with the Marines, what do we get? They go and they shoot at ICE officers and they shoot at two cops. So they have decided if you use the law, we will escalate against you. I think that it is very likely this will escalate. Trump probably is saying it's my last term and we're getting the job done. We're going to deport people and we're going to restore America and the left is going to say that war is. I mean, we've talked about this a little bit before, but the idea that if there's going to be some kind of conflict in the US,

I prefer that conservatives be in charge of the government and have the apparatus of the DOJ as opposed to the left. So let's jump to the story from the post-millennial. Democrat lawmakers say their constituents want violence against Trump policies. The report they cited is from Axios. Democrat lawmakers have said their voters are really displeased with them over their failure to prevent Trump's and the Republicans from enacting their agenda. These voters are so mad. Democrat polls claim that

they could resort to violence. A report from Axios details the issue, saying they spoke to more than 24 House Democrats to gauge the temperature of the Democratic and leftist base. People apparently are mad and so mad they could take action at their own hands, as we've already seen with these stories of an ambush on an ICE facility and two cops being shot.

Quote, what I have seen is a demand that we get ourselves arrested intentionally or allow ourselves to be victims of violence. And a lot of times that's coming from economically very secure white people in Portland, Oregon, violent anti-feminist militants have been doing just that by blockading an ICE facility there. LA has seen riots as well as protests have erupted in New York, DC and elsewhere. On the same day that Axios released their story, border patrols ambushed in Texas outside

an immigration facility. We've got people who are desperately wanting us to do something no matter what we say they want more, Brad Schneider said. Other lawmakers did not give their names when they expressed their constituents' concerns. Another told Axios, I actually said in the meeting, when they light a fire, my thought is to grab an extinguisher, going on to say that someone at the table said, have you tried gasoline? Our own base is telling us that what we're doing is not good enough. An anonymous lawmaker told Axios that there needs to be blood to grab the attention of the press and the public. Still another said that their constituents

were done with civility because it isn't working. Another Democrat said people online have sent me crazy ish, told me to storm the White House and stuff like working. Another Democrat said, people online have sent me crazy-ish, told me to storm the White House and stuff like that. The Democrat told Axios, there's always people on the internet saying crazy stuff. In the Axios report, they say, quote, some of them have suggested what we really need to do is be willing to get shot when visiting ICE facilities

or federal agencies, a third house democrat told Axios. The left wants violence. They want blood and they want war. Sacrifice themselves apparently? No, no. One, I, other people. My gut instinct is it's liberal white women because this is the MO that you see on the TikTok videos that they make. They're constantly saying, you know, someone should go do this and alluding to someone should go and commit violent acts against the president. You see those kind of posts on TikTok all the time. They make their rounds on X when they, you know,

from Libs to TikTok or whatever. Consistently liberal, wealthy, liberal, awfuls are telling people that you should go do something. But of course- Here's the problem You can't criminally charge him They would never get convicted So we had this debate with a libertarian fellow

Democrats arrested Trump's lawyers Charging his lawyers with Rico Because they offered him legal advice Constitutionally protected they raided his home They gave him 34 fake felonies What do do you do? For one, you can't go to the prosecutors, they got prosecutorial immunity. You can try and arrest some of these politicians and some of these individual actors in New York. But if you are operating on the Southern District of New York, all of the

jury pool is going to be liberal and they're going to say good, we want more. So how do you stop it? I mean, I don't have a solution. I don't know if I knew I would definitely be trying to stop it. But I mean, this leads to the whole, you know, where's the off-ramp conversation that we have? You know, what is the, how do we de-escalate this kind of violent rhetoric when there are so many people out there that truly seem to believe that sending illegal immigrants back to their countries of origin is somehow fascism? The most mundane state policies like you can't just come here and and take advantage of our generous social security system and and

That you know, just just just upholding the law is considered fascism. That's right. It's not like it's the first time We've tried we've actually deported people in any administration either. I mean, we've been doing it for a long time Just not in mass like this. So it's like well Well, it's never targeted direct communities this way before. They say Obama was the deporter in chief, but it was largely people crossing the border. Trump is actually going into LA and saying, these people are gone. We're sending them home. And their people are fleeing and going into hiding. Let me add to your question the issue of the timeframe.

Fifteen months from now, 15, 16 months from now, there's midterm elections. And Trump administration is extremely aware that the way this is going to end, I mean this round, the way this round is going to end is if they can stay in control, if they can be putting it down without looking like they can stay in control, if they can be putting it down without looking like they're overreacting, without giving the impression of, okay, look, here's the Trump administration, they're the Nazis, this is difficult to do, it's a fine line. They have to be able to put this down with enough force and still look like they're

in control, like they're generous, like they love all Americans. It's incredibly difficult to do, but that's the job. And without that, they will lose that. They will lose that election. They'll lose the Congress. And honestly, I don't think there is a way to deescalate this. I think this is going to turn into one of those situations where violence can only be met with violence.

And that's what we've been seeing with these attacks on these police. These guys are ended up shot dead or critical condition. The ideology of the left is extreme. They have been flooding the country with illegal immigrants against the will of the American voter telling you to be okay with it. Trump responds with, let's enforce the law. They respond with, we'll kill you. And they're shooting at cops now,

and they're rioting and firebombing. If Trump responds with, then you go to jail too, they will respond with an escalation to violence. I don't think people understand. When you see the far left rioting, they are showing you they are more willing than you to use violence. And it's really that simple.

Whatever the escalation is, Democrats are two degrees above Republicans or liberals two degrees above conservatives, or the left and the right. The right doesn't protest. They don't march in the streets. They barely go out. The left protests something every single day. If the right is not willing to even go outside for an issue, what do you think they're willing to fight for? The left is fighting for the stupidest things in the world. They'll fight anything for any reason. So when the escalation happens, these people are going to go nuts and they're going to take it to straight-up conflict. You don't think that this is organized, that it's organized, funded,

that there's probably foreign governments involved? I would say yes, but it's cell-based. The left is not part of this big umbrella that controls them on puppet strings. There's individual disparate groups of leftist ideology that have various forms of funding. And I would call it more of a complex standalone complex. A complex standalone complex, meaning a standalone complex is a reference to when individuals

act in such a way that appears as a coordinated effort. A complex standalone complex would be you have cells of standalone action against cells of standalone action. So what I mean by this is Antifa has various chapters. The people there only know a few of each other. There will be like four or five direct action organizers. They'll have a meeting and 15, 20 people they don't know show up for their event. And they talk about what they want to do.

So it's not that they have an organization of 30 people. It's that four or five people will put on an event and a bunch will show up. Then those groups will say, put out the word, we will be in San Bernardino. Other local Antifa groups do the same thing and you get one big mass in one area from a bunch of different organizations. So it's not one funding operation. I don't expect the right to be able to imitate anything like that. They don't want to. Well, they don't, the right doesn't have that kind of an ideology.

I mean, the purpose of, this is revolutionary activity. It's by the book. The purpose is to overthrow the American government. And the response is, it's a little bit hard for me to see why the right riding in the streets is going to be helpful. The real question, I think, is whether the American people have become so squeamish and so liberal that they're going to defeat the Republicans at the polls if they use overwhelming force in order to uproot these cells. It's not easy to do, but it's not impossible to do.

I wonder based on all the events now that if the Democrats were to reclaim Congress in 26 Which some predict and that in 2028 for throughout however, they do they win the presidency I don't think the right would engage in the same degree of violent resistance as the left would against Trump and thus You'd end up with probably some kind of tyrannical You know system American citizens will get walked all over, taxed to oblivion, cities will be destroyed, anarcho-tyranny. Whereas when the Republicans win, Trump just literally enforces codified law and they go nuts

and start shooting and resisting. If Trump doesn't uphold the law, I think, if Trump loses this battle, the right will just let the left do it. Like this is how the right fights back. They say, well, I'll vote. And then they go and vote. And if they don't win, they go, gosh darn it. The left goes and firebombs buildings,

even the White House grounds and churches. So if Trump keeps pushing and then JD Vance wins, I think escalation is predictable. But let's do this. We have this story from UC Santa Barbara, The Current. Could America break apart? UCSB expert explores the possibility. Political economist Benjamin Cohen considers the forces driving nations, including the

US, towards fragmentation, to which he argues, in 10 years, California will formally declare its independence as a sovereign nation. President Vance threatens military takeover of the state, deploys National Guard backed by red states, triggering secessionist movement and a civil war. And he says it's a hypothetical, but he says the likelihood of a civil war in this country is substantially greater than zero. He's just one guy, right? Well, here's this, from notice, Trump fired them. Now they're plotting to stop him.

Former USAID and State Department officials worried about the future of democracy in America say they're actively organizing to resist Trump inside and outside of government. We are looking at two factions fighting for control of one government. Historically, we call that a civil war. But I suppose the fighting needs to be kinetic for it to be considered a civil war despite the fact we have all the political elements of that battle.

You've got predictions across the board far and wide of a pending second civil war. It's been happening for eight years. People have predicted this and now you got another guy adding to it. At the same time you have forces of government falsely charging Donald Trump with 34 felonies. These were fake charges by the way, not real, because there was no underlying crime for the misdemeanors to be upgraded to felonies and people don't know this. Trump was falsely accused of sexual abuse, civilly charged in New York. Forum shopping is so insane. I'm pretty sure the lawyers all know Civil War is coming and they knew this before anybody else because of forum shopping.

Are you familiar with forum shopping? When you file a lawsuit, the lawyers will take a look at the issue determining which direction it leans politically and then say here's the jurisdiction you need to sue in. So it's been true for a while for various reasons. I got Delaware's very corporate friendly or you know New York is going to... Now it's literally... I've had lawyers say if you bring this lawsuit in New York you'll lose in two seconds no matter what. Even if all the evidence says you're true and correct, they'll simply say he's a conservative

and the jury will vote against you. Or the judge will find some way to exclude evidence and make it against you. They can see all of that happening. When you have former elements of the government and current inside government actively working against in a seditious conspiracy Donald Trump, the far left shooting cops and shooting two cops shot in a seditious conspiracy, Donald Trump, the far left shooting cops

and shooting two cops shot in the past three days and an ambush at the ICE facility that resulted in that cop getting shot. The riots, the Tesla riots, the immigration riots, even the Palestine riot stuff, it really does look like things are going to continue heating up and there's no reason to assume or expect things

to simmer down and the left to stop. If Trump decides to crack down on these shootings at cops and these riots, as he's already indicated he will with the marines, unprecedented move, not unprecedented but very rare move by the president, when he does this the left escalates their tactics. I'm curious what you think, what you guys think if these predictions are correct. Well, I mean, I don't know that I think that the the US will actually fracture, but I do think that if California were to say, hypothetically, California were to decide to declare its independence, the proper and

the actual course of action by the federal government would be to activate the National Guard and send them in to California and say, no, you're not. Historically, that's what's happened. And that's exactly what should happen. You know, should. All right, let's say Zoran Momdani uses government resources in New York to stop ICE. So Trump says issue an indictment to have him arrested. What do you think, how do you think Democrats react to the arrest of a New Yorker?

They'll say that it was a lot, that it was unconstitutional, that they probably could talk about the 10th Amendment, which is ridiculous for them to even mention the 10th Amendment. But that would, it would be, they would be apoplectic. Especially if they're electing him on purpose to do this right so what what do they do what does the administration do no what does the left do if Trump's arrest what they've already a man I'd say they turn it up look the the the left is not this is look they are not an organized armed force. Their doctrine is they've got to have street violence going on, the occasional killings,

the burnings, they've got street violence going on in order to be able to apply institutional pressure. They're not organized in order to actually be able to fight a war against the U.S. Army. So they're not going to try to fight a war against the U.S. Army. Was the Syrian Free Army or al-Nusra or ISIS? No, I don't think that we're there yet in America. Now I'm not saying- Certainly, but it only took a year. Yeah, hold on. For Syria. Look, it is certainly possible that if you import enough people from the Middle East

and other cultures where tribal warfare, arming your family, arming your clan, arming your tribe against the system, it's possible that that's going to happen. But it looks to me like it's going to happen in Britain or in France first before it happens in the United States. Look, I think Trump is right that the immigration issue is, even here even on the Civil War thing the immigration issue is a key issue because you need to have critical mass of people who are not just countercultural but they actually have a belief system

they're willing to die and that question was raised before how many people on the left are actually willing to die so okay so, so there's a few. They don't think they're gonna die. No, I think in the Middle East, if you're talking about Syria, they know they're gonna die. Indeed. They know they're gonna die. But the issue is you don't have to be willing to die. You also have to be ignorant of the fact that you could die. What do you mean ignorant of the fact that you could die. What do you mean ignorant of the fact that you could die?

When the left goes out with guns to shoot at people, they don't think they'll die. When they show up with Molotov cocktails and hand them out to people, these people are as dumb as a box of rocks. I understand in the Middle East, they live in this perpetual decades long or hundreds of thousands of years of conflict. But when these lawyers in New York hang out Molotov cocktails, do any of those people who took the Molotov cocktails

realize that simply holding that could put a bullet in your head? They don't think that. If these people genuinely feared that they would die throwing Molotov cocktails, they would not do it. Okay, but that actually is the challenge right now. How is the administration going to convince, you know, not the few lunatics, the most radical, how are they going to convince the sort of broader population, how are they going to

convince them that if you hold a molotov cocktail, you could die? You can't. That's assuming that these people can be convinced in the first place. I don't know that they can. You know, they go out to these riots and they LARP. It's live action roll. But how many? How many of them are there?

If hundreds of thousands. Well, active protesting on a regular basis and then probably several million that engage in ancillary protest efforts by the direct action groups. Okay. Well, look, we're really getting into placing bets on things that none of us can actually I mean, it's really difficult to assess things and these things. Look, I definitely agree that the potential for civil war is real. It's real, it's escalating, it's motivated.

I actually do think it's foreign funded. So it's not in any way a game. It really, really could get there, but I think that the likelihood that in a situation in which people are killed, you know, it's Kent State, all right? We're back in the late 60s, early 70s. People don't remember that the United States had thousands of bombings, not hundreds, thousands of bombings by leftist radicals. And Nixon did succeed in putting it into it.

Now, I agree with you. This is not the same. The country is much farther gone than that. It's hyper-polarized. It's hyper-polarized. I completely agree with you. Still the question, how many people are really going to show up once it's the US Army, once it's the Marines, once it's the Marines and

and people know they can get really killed. How many people are in the California National Guard? You think the California National Guard is going to revolt against the administration? Why did the Virginia army raise arms against the Union? The Virginia army thought that they were defending their homes. And the generals of the Confederacy were all trained at West Point and were friends with the Union generals. And again, something we bring up literally all the time is the first Battle of Bull Run, they picnic outside of it because they said exactly what you're saying right now.

It can't happen. Virginia's not going to shoot Maryland. It's just ridiculous to think. And then what happened when the question is right now. I'm not saying it can't happen. No, I'm saying it can happen. Right. What I don't know, what I don't know is you use the word LARPing. I think it's a good word. What's the balance

between the true believers who want revolution and are willing to give anything for it and the people who are playacting and they'll run for cover. What is that balance? Nine to one. But what happens when some dumb college LARPers takes a bullet in the back of the head because they were at a violent riot that was shooting at cops? And they get shot by a National Guardsman or a Marine. And then what happens to all of that kids, friends and family, and then what happens to the rest of the LARPers who are like, this is not a game. Trump is killing people. It's a Kinley Stokes the flame type situation in my opinion

And I don't think that we're gonna see a real escalation like what you're talking about until we've gotten to that point But it is going I do believe that it is eventually going to turn into a play adult games win adult prizes situation And when we get to that point That's when the people that even if they didn't think or know that they wanted to die are going to start risking their lives To get involved and at that point that's where we lose all control Eric Prince Was talking to me about a variety of issues. I asked him, you know this conversation about civil war has been going on for eight years I certainly did not create though. I probably talk about it, you know more than most people Whenever the story comes up I caveat this with guys

Professor just came out claiming it the news media's all picking it up, so we talk about it. I asked him, does it look like the United States is tracking similar to the countries that you've had operations in? And he said, the one thing I can tell you, everybody I've worked with says it's overnight. Everything appears normal, and then you wake up in the morning and the power's out and the internet doesn't work. That's overnight. Everything appears normal and then you wake up in the morning and

the power is out and the internet doesn't work. That's it. So everybody assumes there's going to be a gradual buildup which has never been the case. And I've made the point about being in Egypt during the second revolution. There was only a few thousand people that triggered the revolution in Tahrir Square. Two blocks away I'm standing as a guy at McDonald's watching a soccer game. Completely oblivious. We drove to the mall, we went shopping, everything was normal. And a few thousand people triggered a revolution. That's it. And then the military came in and said we can't keep doing this.

So they decided to go and massacre all the Muslims because the Muslim Brotherhood was a minority party that kept winning because they were they were the plurality or at least the largest voting block. The concern that I have in the United States is once again, gradually, then suddenly hyper polarization. We have this report of Democrats saying their constituents want them to be violent or at least risk getting shot, which implies engaging in violence. I do think it's fair to say many of these people do not understand just how bad war can be because

they're LARPers, but that actually, I think, exemplifies the risk. People, when you look at these guys who are like war veterans and PMCs and contractors and stuff, they'll say it, you don't want to fight. You do not want to be in the situation, man. These people don't know what they're asking for. True, people who've truly experienced the conflict and the violence want to avoid it because it is not any way to live. But these leftists who LARP and go around with Molotov cocktails, they don't understand what it means to be engulfed in flames and die. They don't understand that these two New York lawyers handing out molotov cocktails, people

are taking them. They don't understand. You can accidentally immolate yourself and people do it all the time. They're playing a stupid game. And because they don't understand the consequences, they don't realize that it takes a single maltav or gunshot to trigger a total economic collapse or governmental collapse. That's why you're more likely for it to happen. So I suppose what I'm saying is, I understand you're saying it could happen. I think that people confuse what it means that

we are dangerously close with indicators that we are nowhere near such as that point. Oh, but none of these people actually want to die, right, which means they're more likely to run up to a cop screaming waving a baton in their face because they're like, nothing's gonna happen, and then a cop shoots a guy, bang, he drops dead, then the left are screaming, they're armed already in shooting ice officers, they start opening fire back, and then how long till we get a story of a shootout between protesters?

I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Story already happened on Friday when armed far leftists went to an ICE facility in Alvarado, Texas. And when the cops came out to confront them, they shot the cop in the neck, then arrested the people. So we've already gotten one of these types of moments. I hope I beg and I pray that I'm completely wrong. And that's it. The wake up call for the left, they say, holy crap,

don't go to these events. They're shooting cops. Then Monday morning, a guy went to an ice facility with a rifle and shot another cop. You're not wrong. Your whole analysis is right. I'm just asking the following. We have an administration, it has leadership, it has a lot of good people in it, right? It's not just one good person. I mean, astonishingly, there are hundreds of good people in this administration. And I feel like your description is leaving out the challenge to national leadership. There is a challenge. I don't know if they can pull it off. I don't know if Syria can be avoided.

I have no clue. What I do know is that you remember right after the election, right after the 2024 election, there was this shock, there was this defeat, there was this... It went on for a couple of months of a feeling of hopelessness on the left. Of course, it's not permanent, it's never permanent. But that feeling of hopelessness, it's possible for political moves including military moves, it's possible for military and political moves if they're done well, if they're explained in a way that sweeps most of the people with them.

If Trump can put these things down with violence while keeping a majority with him. It's possible to win that election. It's possible to cause a more extensive demoralization. It's not going to be permanent. But that's what he's playing for. He's playing for what are the steps that I can take that will allow me to get past the next election and then I can take more steps. That's the game he's playing.

Well, his election is, this is it, right? So JD Vance will be next. No, I'm talking about, right? I'm talking about the congressional election. Oh, right, right, right. I'm talking about the question. No, I'm talking about the question. So let me- No, he thinks that if he can have a bigger majority in Congress, then he can do more. That's the whole argument with- So let me ask you a potentiality Trump just federalized the

California National Guard took command and they sued At first the order was stayed then it was stayed and the stay was stayed and Trump was able to retain control of the California National Guard When you ask You know who would fight when the army comes in how many people want to fight the question is how big is the California National Guard? Why same thing in the first in mission say the first but who would fight when the army comes in how many people want to fight the question is how big is the California National Guard why Same thing in the first in mission say the first but 1000 by the way 24,000 so in the Civil War the question asked by I came refills Jackson early was

Do I defend my nation or my home and in the end I had to choose my home? And that's all anyone will ever do if you're in the National Guard and you own a house and you have a wife and a child and they are in California and Donald Trump says, you will take orders from me now, you'd probably say, okay, we've been federalized. Then the governor, maybe it's not Newsom, maybe it's the next more radical person, maybe it is Newsom, says no, a court order do you know, do not take those orders from the president. Who do they choose?

They choose their home every time. Governor could seize your house from you, could put you out on the street. They can issue charges against you at the state. The state has command and they're arguing for control. Now, Donald Trump can claim he is federalized in the California National Guard, but the law enforcement apparatus against those people is going to be state level. And the question then becomes, who do you listen to? Do you support the president or the governor where your home is?

And if you say no to Trump, what happens? And if you say no to the governor or to the state, what happens? Where is the greatest risk? The reason why in the Civil War they chose their home states was because they were like, I'll lose my land, I'll lose my farm, I'll lose my family. And then I'll go be what? A refugee in New York with nowhere to live? That makes no sense. All that's true, but it's not the whole story. Virginians thought that Virginia was some kind of a nation. I mean, this takes you into the nationalism issue.

I don't mean that they thought Virginia is a jurisdiction, a legal jurisdiction independent from the federal jurisdiction and therefore it's legitimate for me to raise an army and fight. That's not the issue. The question is the people, the leadership especially of Virginia, who were they actually loyal to? And we know the answer. The answer is that they were loyal to Virginia. Are you sure that we've got that in America anymore? I would argue that we don't need loyalty to a state in a fractured culture that cares

not for its neighbor. When the only thing people care about is that they get theirs, it's substantially worse. That is, when I was in Venezuela, I got to see the National Guard charge on student protesters. Why would they do that? Because they're guaranteed food. They don't care about you. They don't care about anything other than I must get my access. And so the issue I see here is the reason why the left says don't serve cops is because they want those cops to feel local pressure. They want a cop walking into a donut shop to be refused and then say I hate this job

and I want to quit and it worked in the Pacific Northwest. Viral videos, one of a cop stopping at a light and the protesters screaming at him and he says you won, you win, I quit. That was like in, I think like 2020 or something. That's what they want to happen. So if you're in the National Guard and you were ordered by Trump to stand and watch guard over a facility

and then you have this critical mass, thousands of people including your own mayor screaming in your face, you choose. Now I don't know where we're at right now, but I will tell you for the average person who is like, look man, I don't know, I just needed a job. And I'm going to say this, I have tremendous respect for people who serve. Many of them do it for the right reasons. Some of them just need jobs.

There are a lot of people that I've met who are in the army who are like, I don't know, it was good income and it was training and I got to go to school and there's nothing more to it. So imagine you're in California National Guard and you get ordered by Trump to guard a facility or to go out and defend CBP. He is allowed to federalize if the laws are not being enforced.

Then the mayor shows up and starts saying, all of these people, you are in violation. There was a court order. You're not supposed to be obeying Trump. And now you're torn between your local community, where you actually have risk of being ostracized and enforcement against your property and your family, not to mention a brick to the face,

and the federal government you've never seen in his 3000, 4000 miles away. I'm not saying we're at the point right now where the National Guard's gonna be like, I don't know what to do, I don't know whatever. I'm saying that's the potentiality for which, as this professor is pointing out, when JD Vance, in the future, hypothetically,

sends an external national guard to enforce the law in California, because the state is declaring independence or whatever it is that they're doing, at that point, if you live in California, what's your decision? It's not about loyalty to your state, it's about saying, I own a home in California. If I decide not to be a part of this, I will be living in a tent with my children.

Where? In Nebraska? And so people are going to be like, I just want my house. We'll see. We're going to go to your chats, my friends. So smash the like button, share the show with everyone you know. We'll read what you have to say, but the members only uncensored portion is coming up at 10 p.m. You don't want to miss it. And we're going to grab your chats now and see what you got going on.

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for a cup of coffee. All right. Let's see what else we got. Evan for us says Palmetto State Armory has mentioned that a lawsuit has been filed that could help lead to the end of the NFA. No tax equals NFA is unconstitutional. Brandon Herrera was right. LFG.

Interesting. Agreed. So the argument they're making is that if you take the tax off it, then why are you even filing? Yeah, the Supreme Court's found multiple times that the ability of the federal government to actually even have the NFA is because it's a tax. The federal government has the power to tax, but the Second Amendment ostensibly prevents them from regulating firearms.

So the Supreme Court says, well, they can because they can tax. And so the other stuff is just to prove that you've paid the tax. Once you get rid of the tax, what they're saying is, well, now there's no more, there's no legal way that the federal government can have the NFA. So there has been multiple lawsuits filed. I didn't catch who he said, but I know that GOA is- Palmetto State Armory. Yeah, Palmetto State's got one.

I know that GOA's got one. So this is the slower way to get rid of the NFA or get the short act and the Hearing Protection Act through. But at least it will force the courts to make a decision on it. And because of precedent that the courts themselves have set, they can't just say, oh, well, now it's fine, you know. Indeed. Rich Pooz says, US State Coast Guard rescue diver, Scott Ruskin, on his first mission

saved 165 souls. He deserves the Coast Guard Distinguished Service Medal. Stud. Epic. He does. Story, man. It's fascinating to me that there are conservatives and liberals both claiming it's climate change directly or indirectly.

There are conservatives going, no way water can rise that fast. And liberals are going, see, told you, climate change. And I'm like, guys, it's a flash flood. Flash floods happen. That's why they're called flash floods. I was going to say, that's the name. Like this kind of stuff happens. You know, unfortunately, this is a, this was like, I guess, once in a, like a hundred year.

It was like, was it four in the morning or something? The water rose in like four minutes? They were were sending out the they were sending out the notifications. I think the first one started going in the evening. But the real like this is really, really bad. They were going at like 11, 12, one o'clock. So most people were sleeping. Yeah. You know, and so it's a terrible situation. But it's not like there wasn't, you know, efforts by the the powers

that be to notify people and stuff. It's just, it just so happened that when when the things got really bad, you know, people were not looking at their phones are likely sleeping and they cost them their lives. David Flores says I worked as a corrections officer in both Kentucky and Maryland. Dudes have murdered the cellmates after locked in a night slept in the cell with the body then got breakfast. A killer could have been locked in, indeed.

You know, not to mention the video proved nothing as a minute missing, whatever. Dimension 14B says if the Trump admin can be this stupidly dishonest over the Epstein evidence, they cannot be trusted on any other issue. There will be no accountability. What a weird story. I mean, even even if even if this is all the people that are critical of the Trump administration are correct right even still it's still better than

Kamala Harris and his the stuff that he's done on the border and the stuff that he's doing trying to get the illegal immigrants out of the country is way better than anything the Democrats would have done. So I understand and I'm not saying that people shouldn't be mad, like people should have a, you know, they're justifiably pissed off about the Epstein stuff. But even if all the worst things that they can say about the administration are true, like although that stuff would have been the same with the Kamala Harris administration, she wouldn't have put any information out either. And you would still have all of these the illegal immigrants here, there wouldn't be any self-deporting, there wouldn't be there

would still be an influx of people at the southern border. So I understand you're mad and you have every right to be. But Donald Trump is still a net positive. Here's an interesting one. Sailor Modico says, I know it's not the most moral thing to do, but if it were me, I'd be using every piece of info from Epstein to ram through my agenda and make America great again. When you're given the power, use it.

Could it be that Trump said all of this information gives us power over billionaires, millionaires, Fortune 500s, they'll never oppose me again? He has the one ring, the pedophile equivalent of the one ring. billionaires, millionaires, Fortune 500s, they'll never oppose me again. He has the one ring, the pedophile equivalent of the one ring. It would be nice to think that he had that kind of leverage. I mean, the office of the president

is already incredibly influential. When the president calls up a leader of industry and says, hey, I need you to do this, or I'm looking for this kind of result from your industry, I want you to do this, or I'm looking for this kind of result from your industry, I want you to have this policy or whatever, they're gonna respond, and it takes a very strong will to say, no, Mr. President, I'm not gonna do that.

But to have that kind of leverage over international, you know, international high-level government people, I mean, it would be interesting. You gotta say this. That's the best interpretation of the word. That gets the prize. It's like if Trump basically has these people, like, enslaved, I guess. You know what I mean? Like, it's prison or you work for me now. And he can make, he can control their companies and stuff like that. Hey look, you know, you gotta, you gotta.

Maybe that's what the left really fears. I mean if you're one of these people are you gonna say no? Gotta exercise power when you have it. What the hell with that? Expose me. Do your worst. No. You're not gonna say that. I like my infinity pool and my 65 foot yacht. You're gonna bend the knee. 100%. I like my infinity pool and my 65 foot yacht. So you're going to bend the knee 100 percent. I like to see my family when I feel like it.

Yeah. And then they just tell Trump you can do whatever you want. All right. Sam Uri Villain says, if you're fat and slow and get in a fight, you have to use your weight against your opponent as an advantage versus disadvantage, levering bad, leveraging bad situations. Well, sure, you know. Smacky says, wife gave birth to our third at 4am. Only sad thing is I didn't get to announce live on the show as is tradition. Well, congratulations.

So many babies. Whenever someone's having a baby there, they watch the show and then post it. So, you know, I've noticed we were on the flight back from Chicago And there were there was a baby crying and since my girl got pregnant, and I've got one on the way It it is far less irritating. I'm like oh poor guy. You know I suppose I suppose a man shut that baby up I'm like oh, what's the poor little guy? You know I've never I've never been annoyed by crying babies No, I am NOT annoyed by crying babies You ever had one going on during a movie? Well, I'm sure you have, as you watch movies at home.

But in a movie theater or something, I'm like, hey, you know? No, I just... Do something with your kid. But I've also been... It's like rain to me. It's like babies make noise, I guess. I've also been exposed to more crying babies recently as a result of being here.

And I do find that I am being a little more like I'm becoming a lot more used to it so I kind of agree with you there. You know babies are good. All right what do we got going on here? St. Miles says America is a land of gun culture and we know how to use them. Indeed.

Shergall says look at the events that happened before the Kent State Massacre. What was that specifically? that the the bombings? I don't know what led up to the Kent I don't even know why the National Guard was on the Kent State campus did have was it because of Integrating a protesting ethic so they deployed the National Guard. It's been a while since I read about it. Do you remember what happened? it was the response to the protests and then There's a conspiracy theory that the guards gave a countdown in an order shoot or something like that. I Wonder if that actually helped stop the violence it was it was being a more protests. Yeah, I

Wonder if the fear of getting shot and killed or paralyzed actually made people stop showing up. I think so That's wild. I think that's the standard Standard reading of what happened Wow Crazy Yes, all right. There was a an ROTC building burnt on May 2nd the governor James Rhodes Was being pressured to deploy the National Guard Governor James Rhodes was being pressured to deploy the National Guard. All right. Midwest Mystery says, shout out to the Discord shows and Cast Brew Coffee. Shout out guys. You got to go to TimCast.com and join our Discord server.

If you go to DCComedyLoft.com, you can buy tickets to our upcoming events by clicking the events and finding the event. Or go to TimCast.com and join us. Be a member. Members get 30 free tickets available. I mean, they could largely be gone, so you got to TimCats.com and join us, be a member. Members get, there's 30 free tickets available. I mean, they could largely be gone, so you gotta get in there. And then I think when we announce the debate with the people on 26, it's gonna sell out instantly. Yeah, there's a couple names I can't say because they're, we're like coordinating travel

and getting it set up, it looks pretty good. But I don't wanna say just yet. And we'll have flyers for it once it's done. You won't need them. Probably not. Sean H. says, I am over this story. I would so much rather the American people focus their energy on something that benefits us,

even if Epstein was alive. He still wouldn't face justice. Just look at the Diddy case. Ha ha ha. Yeah. Not guilty. Yeah. I do agree.

It's been like a four plus year distraction Ongoing that I mean if it proceeds any further past this it's just kind of seems ridiculous I understand people's motivation to see guilty people punished but Most people are wouldn't have a significant change in their day-to-day lives people wouldn't have a significant change in their day to day lives should there be people outed having been found to have- That's just closure at this point, I think. Let's go.

Will asks, I think this Epstein betrayal is what finally put me in the street and convinced me to march and rally. I hope I'm not alone on this. I think the challenge is largely, the Epstein stuff is a generality. We have a general idea of what he was doing. We don't know the specifics. We don't know who was involved, we don't know when, how, and that's the ultimate challenge.

We want that information and they won't give it to us. Claiming there's a bunch of videos, it's like, okay, who filmed it? Where, Epstein was with the kids? Was it's like okay who filmed it where the abstin was with the kids was it Gielain who flew the kids in is she a pilot is he a pilot they flew they dated all themselves come on what about his butler I've always wondered about flight manifests you know like was there none of that they had it yeah they're there were manifest looks they have it all mm-hmm yeah like can you not just comb through yep take? Out of flight manifest or remember the just because someone went to

Obviously it doesn't make no just because someone's on the plane. Yes, I'm going to the island I got I'm gonna make some assumptions about what you were doing there Yeah, because they were on the plane doesn't mean they're guilty of anything so absolutely not RFK and his family flew on the plane They tried doing this thing now because the plane still exists and it's in a different fleet. Claiming people flew on Epstein's plane because it's after the fact. Such scumbag media garbage. I just think it's a base for people to keep an eye on if this doesn't resolve itself appropriately.

You know? What do we got here? Sergeant H. USMC says, I work for the FBOP. Those doors do not have windows, so there is likely no inmates in those rooms. It's in segregated housing, officers are required to do 30 minute rounds to observe inmates' well-being. So what was that video of? Just a random door? It looked like it was just a video of a guard change.

And I mean- I don't know, one guy was moving the garbage and moving stuff. Yeah, he looked like the guy that came in and handed over what looked like coats or something to the guard that had already left the room. But there's also a minute missing there. So we don't really know. Blood base says if the Democrats covered it all up, why did Pam Bondi say the now allegedly not as inclined list was under desk? I actually think it's not unfair to say that Pam Bondi was just

bloviating and she was trying to talk big, like we're getting it done. Trump said, release the documents. And she was like, yeah, I'm going to do it. And then just is bad at media. That's exactly what it looks like. Yeah, exactly. Like Carolyn Levitt said, she wasn't referring to the list, which said it was on my desk, it was referring to all of the documents in general.

And what they had had they released. I don't know. I would not want to be in that administration right now. You got a lot of questions to answer that you can't. To be honest, I'd have tremendous, if I was press secretary and they were like, who made this memo? I'd be like, no idea.

It's weird, right? They'd be like, okay, what's up with this video? I'd be like, it seems to video via video of nothing. You know, honestly, I couldn't tell you what was going on. But it doesn't it doesn't make any sense at all. What am I gonna say? If Carolyn Levin said that I'd have infinitely more respect for it. I'd be like, well, you know, because like, I don't understand is, like, come on. It's imagine

you're standing in a room, and there's three people all staring at you and you let one rip and it's massive and you even lift your cheek. And then you look dead in the eyes of the other guy and go, ah, it was you. Well, I didn't do it. They're like, who are you trying to convince? Okay. At the very least, you just be like, I got to be honest, I ate a lot of Taco Bell. Sorry, guys. Like if Carolyn Levin came out and been like, we don't have good answers, none of this makes sense. And I have no idea what to say to you guys. Saying what she said doesn't convince anybody of anything. It's just like, look, we know this is BS, come on.

Well, with what they just released to us, why do we think at all that Leavitt should have any more information than the American people now have? Yeah. I mean, the funny thing is too, with any press secretary, I say this all the time, their job is spin. Their job is not to, I don't care if it's Spicer or Levitt or Sackey or whoever or Kareem Jean-Pierre. She was miserable at that job by the way. She was the worst.

She was bad. Kayleigh McEnany was the best. She was awesome. She had a binder full of news stories and she's like, nope, debunked, boom, read and weep. But largely, it's just it's the PR release for the administration's operations. So they're always going to try and put it in, you know, to their benefit. Yeah, that's your job. Yeah. What have we here? I have says, if you recall a few years back, there was a warehouse

fire in New York City Harbor, that some claim was an FBI storage for evidence. I'm willing to bet $100 some of the evidence was Epstein. Maybe Skull Crusher says this is my first ever Super Chat. I'm donating my kidney to my wife and we are having a benefit to help us with expenses. I know this is a long shot but we have an FB group, Amber's Angels. It has our story and info on how to support. Wow, man. That is truly noble.

I wish you the best. I hope everything works out and everyone check out Ambers Angels, the FB, the Facebook group and best of luck to you both. What have we here? Michael Thompson says, why do you think the Republicans continually try to put messaging out that will get community noted? Do you think they will ever be serious about immediate people are the ones that vote they're the end the you know your your unfunded liabilities are all from Medicare Medicaid and Social Security you know another funny thing about that the release from the DOJ is the video ends

at 640 and the the time of death Epstein was declared at 639 so I was just wondering that's a very specific time of death of Epstein was declared at 639. So I was just wondering, that's a very specific time of death to be called. So when paramedics find a body like an hour later, do they then say, based on how he looks, he died at 942? Or do they say within the past half hour, hour? Yeah, I thought they just called time of death

at the point where they realized he was dead. That's what I thought, which would imply when the at the point where they realized he was dead. That's what I thought, which would imply when the video ended at 640, there should have already been paramedics in the building checking him saying he is dead. Yeah. No idea. I don't know either, but it's nothing about the, the 17 Epsom stuff makes any sense at all.

It's, I feel like the administration botched so much stuff when it came to putting out information. They were too busy trying to satisfy people that had a desire to see the, see bad things there. Yeah, Brandon is correct. Yeah. So paramedics, when they find a dead body, the call time of the death is not the time the person died.

It is the time it was officially pronounced. Meaning when they find a body and see it's dead, they announced the time of death when they discovered the body. I think if it's like a body that was several hours old, they'll say this was, you know, the time of death is when they discover it. But then they'll, the autopsy

will argue when they think the death may have actually occurred within a certain hour range. That being said, they called the time of death at 639 for Epstein, but nobody came or went at that period. So how did they know? Psychics. The cops had a psychic come in and she was just like, oh, Epstein is dead, he died right now. And they're like, quick, we better get in there. And they ran in the cell and find, yeah, note the time. Well, the truth is we determined time of death by a psychic. She's very powerful.

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