Timcast IRL - DOJ Launches FULL INVESTIGATION Into TPUSA Antifa RIOT, Media Says Mostly Peaceful w/ Andrew & Rachel Wilson, Jake Rattlesnake

Episode Date: November 12, 2025

Phil and Seamus are joined by Andrew Wilson, Rachel Wilson, & Jake Rattlesnake to discuss the DOJ announcing a full investigation into Antifa after a riot at UC Berkeley, reports emerging the Trump administration is furious over their 50 year mortgage plan, Trump saying Operation Midway Blitz is a massive success, and Tucker Carlson's new details about being attacked by demons.   Hosts:  Seamus @FreedomToons  | http://twistedplots.com/ Phil @PhilThatRemains (X) Serge @SergeDotCom (everywhere) Guests: Andrew Wilson  @The_Crucible  | @paleochristcon (X) Rachel Wilson @Rach4Patriarchy (X) Jake Rattlesnake @jakerattlesnk (X)

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Yeah, sure. My name is Andrew Wilson. I'm the host of The Crucible. It's a popular YouTube channel where I do commentary. and debates of all different kinds. Also host the extravaganza on Rumble with my co-host Jake Rousnake. He's in the studio with me as well. He's an obnoxious, imbecile.

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Hello everybody. My name is Philibonte. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band of All That Remains. I'm an anti-communist and counter-revolutionary. Let's get into it. All right. So the DOJ launches a federal probe after Antifa militants riot at TPSA Berkeley event honoring Charlie Kirk again. This is an event honoring the life of a man who was murdered by left-wing radicals. We shouldn't be surprised that left-wing radicals protested it. That's apparently what time it is in the United States right now. the U.S. Department of Justice Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights. Harmeet Dillon announced on Tuesday that an investigation has been launched into a violent attack against individuals attending a Turning Point USA event at UC Berkeley, perpetuated by the designated terrorist group Antifa. The FBI-led Joint Terrorism Task Force is also investigating the incident, according to the Justice Department. So this comes from the post-millennial. Yesterday on the show, we covered this as we saw them doing this.

at fortunately, Antifa violently rioting and attacking people who are trying to peacefully espouse their values has become a bit banal at this point. We're so used to it that it's hard to even comment on it anymore without sounding like broken records. But nonetheless, you know, sometimes you beat a dead horse. Sometimes that dead horse needs to get its buck kicked.

So let's talk about that. What these people are doing, what needs to be done about this, and why it hasn't been done if it hasn't. Have you seen at the, the protests that they're showing up in front of the ice facilities and they have all these

like blow-up suits of the cartoon characters. Yes, that's right, yeah. And did you see when ice sprayed one of them with pepper spray? Like up in the flat? I really want to put a thought bomb in one of the breathing holes.

That whole thing is designed to change your image. Yeah. The idea of the like mask wearing little ninja you know with the hood on and you know, they're running around

and starting fires and causing all these problems. That's the image. that Antifa burn into people's brains. So they basically burn into people's brains that they're a, like a revolutionary anarchal group that's there to damage property, destroy things, and perhaps even carry out incentives for political assassination. That's right.

And so, you know, this kind of move to try to change by being more kid-friendly and this and that, that actually is hurting them more than anything else. And let me, I'll give you my reasoning. the No Kings Day riots. What a disappointment. The second go around. What a disappointment. So we watched the first go around.

It's like at least they were doing stuff. They were all old though, even then. But you can get your eyes on you if you're doing stuff. If you're like throwing rocks off and fire. You're lighting stuff on fire. You're throwing rocks on a police cars. You're wrecking everything. That brings the views.

So at least that brings the views to your point. But now then becoming like the more kid-friendly, leftist weirdos. Nobody cares about that. It's a weird schizophrenic thing too where they're trying to be both at the same time. Half the time they're dancing and wearing these costumes and we're just silly and trying to have a good time and who could be mad at our peaceful protest. And then the other half of the time they're

throwing bricks at police officers. Or they're doing cringe dancing. They do a lot of cringe dancing. When you mentioned Antifa, when you mentioned Antifa being kid friendly my first thought was impossible. There was someone on Twitter who said this very funny joke. They said Antifa is the militant arm of the sex offender registry. I love it. Look.

So look, the point that they're, the point of what they're doing is they want to mock the establishment, right? So if they, and I saw this, I forget where the book was, but it was one of the essential, like essentially the handbooks of how you should, you should conduct basically counter. The rules for radicals. Is that rules for radicals? I'm not sure if it was in, specifically in rules for radicals. But the point is they want to have pictures of riot police clad. Police, right, riot, you know, riot control-clad police grabbing a dude in a blow-up doll suit. That's right.

Because it looks comical. Then the propaganda they can put out is, look, we're just out here being silly, having fun, protesting, the authoritarian's, blah, blah, blah. You don't see that the guy that was in the blow-up suit was just hurling Maltau cocktons, right? You don't see that he was just throwing bricks at police. You don't, I mean, whatever the violent action that he just took. The point is they want people to see pictures of a silly looking guy getting wrapped up by militant-looking police. Scary militant police, yeah. So there is a point to them getting dressed up like that, and it is all about propaganda.

Yeah, well, it is. It's all about image. And that's only one aspect. The other aspect, so you'll see the U.S. military does this a lot. They'll change uniforms. And one of the reasons they change uniforms is because if there might be imagery associated with a certain uniform, that brings bad thoughts in the American public or in people abroad, they switch the lookout, right?

That's the whole point. Military's all over the world do this, by the way. An example, when you think AK-47, what do you think? That's right. Yeah, we think like Middle Eastern Taliban fighters. Exactly. Or Russians, right? Or it's the bad guys.

We think bad guys. And so if the bad guys, they start switching their weapons around and things, you might think that they're a little less bad. And this is what's going on with the Antifa. It's the same thing. I reckon that maybe I should canter signal them with like a Power Rangers outfit. Don't wear the white one. If they just go out and just do all this number when they're arresting them?

Even better, dude, like one of those Power Ranger mecca suits where they all combined together and then they're just able to they just have a giant net and they're able to scoop. I guess it's fine. Just don't wear the White Power Ranger outfit. Well, this is funny. You mentioned this how we have like certain psychological attachments to specifically. images and firearms. This is one of the reasons that we knew that Biden leaving all of our weapons in Afghanistan

was pure incompetence because if they wanted to arm them, they would have given them AKs so that people thought the Russians did it or they didn't look too deeply to where the weapons came from. They would never intentionally give them American M4s ever. No. Right. No. And the other reason behind this image thing is I do think that it's part of a recruitment

protocol. So if you want to raise the next little generation of terrorists, domestic terrorists, by the way, let's call them what they are. Domestic terrorists. You want to incentivize them to come in young. So that's another part of this. It's a mass propaganda.

He's right. They kind of need to because right now it's all old hippie boomers. That's exactly right. And a lot of them during the day, because Andrew was covering this live on the crucible, and during the daytime, they were doing like a whole Rainbow Skittles parade top list. There was guys with their banana hammocks out

in front of kids and everything else. So they always have to throw that in too. They always got to make it into something, you know, skittles and rainbows and on top of everything else. Inclusive and equitable. Every single time. I was in Europe recently and I stumbled across two protests, one in Berlin and then one in Budapest. And the one in Berlin was a climate change protest. But of course, it's just inundated with trans flags and all of these different transformers.

And this was just by pure chance. I was doing a vlog and I came across it. And then same thing in Budapest as well. And it was, they were calling Victor Orbana fascist and they had the Ukraine flags and everything. But then, of course, all the Skittles flags. And I was like, they got to make everything about the Skittles. Well, the issue is never the issue. The issue is always the revolution.

The point is to disrupt the existing order in order to... This is why you see an amalgamation of it. It's always about not only climate change, but mass immigration and Skittles and all these sorts of things. It's a club for people who hate their dads. Yeah, exactly. You're not mad at me. You're mad at your dad. That's why they always talk about the patriarchy.

This is a huge part of it. Yeah, sorry. Feminists frequently get really upset because they'll be like, hey, this is an issue about women, and then some other part of the left will slide in. Feminists are like, no, no, this is about effing women. Why are you, you know, blah, blah, blah, which is part of, you see, that's why you see the schism between trans people and actual, like, you know, ratfins and stuff like that. Oh, yeah, go.

Well, I was going to ask if Rachel taught the hymbo the word amalgamation. I was super impressed. I was... Yeah. I was still... Good job. Well, but this is also... I think another part of the reason that you always see, the pride flags there, is because

they know that they have to warp people and make them sexually perverted in order to blind them so that they'll go along with their agenda. Sin dulls the intellect. And when you say, I'm going to take the most intimate part of who I am and orient that towards short-term pleasure instead of the logos, what is reasonable, what God actually created me to do, you become a perfect. slave. And so that iconography is always going to follow these movements. And we know historically, when you have sexual revolutions, you almost always end up with very intense violence,

because when people stop restraining their passions first or lustful passions, they stop restraining their wrath. And that's the step that we're on right now. Or vice versa. Right? And that's what you're talking, you're talking about Christian ontology. And so you're right. When you're talking about the telos or teleology, you're moving out of it and into the passions, if one always leads to the next to the next to the next to the next. I totally agree with this. But I do think what you're seeing right now is the formation of these groups are are now getting a lot of pressure on them, especially from the Trump administration. The move to call them domestic terrorists gives the Trump administration a huge amount of leverage to start using law enforcement in very creative ways

and military assets in very creative ways. So do you think they're actually going to do anything about this? I think they are. I think that they are and I think that it's all quiet at the moment. but it's because of that. I think that this push now, the recruitment push and the image change push, is because they're terrified that now Trump may be able to use much better LEO resources to go after them, after them being kind of labeled domestic terrorists and that getting into the public consciousness. Yeah, because whenever there's a Democrat administration in place, these people are pictured as heroes, right?

They're liberation heroes. They're fighting for freedom. When you ask them, I mean, how many viral, videos are there of someone asking them, why are you here at the protest today? And they're like, uh, I don't really, um, stuff. I don't like rules. You know, they don't really know. Yeah. It's true. It looks astro turf. So astro turf. Oh yeah. Yeah. It usually is. Yeah. I keep on bringing it back to the European ones, but it's just interesting when you see them all around. I saw another one in Serbia. And the government, there was a big protest going on in

Belgrade, you guys might have seen over the past few months. And the government was paying for a whole entire encampment of protesters across the road from the parliament building. And we walked past it and we were just looking and they were all just completely paid protesters. And it makes me wonder every time I see a big European sort of revolution like this, is it a color revolution who's paying for it? Where's the money coming from? Well, I mean, the great myth is that revolutions occur because at the grassroots or in working class people decided that the revolution needed to happen. It's virtually always either wealthy or upper middle class people who start agitating and and they try to use their influence to get people beneath them in social status to agitate.

He was just talking about this the other day. Yeah, hasn't the status really been the historic status that it's elites who want to move to the next step in power that are often going down to the rabble and telling them about how that guy over there, he's eating way too much of their steak. Well, there's a massive one on his plate as well. Exactly. That's 90% of what my research is about is about how social movements are not grassroots. They're almost always social engineering from the top down. A good example of what Jake was talking about with those European protests and, like, Gloria Steinem was first recruited by the CIA. That's right.

She was. Out of Smith College to go to Europe and go to these youth festivals and promote feminist propaganda. It's almost always bought and paid for. It's almost never grass. And we were just talking about this the other day. We were talking about the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia and about how Pol Pot, the, like, the mythology of it is, is that they were guerrilla warfare fighters, the Khmer Rouge, and they were banished out to the hills for a very long time. And this did happen. And then the CIA sort of organized bombings of northern Cambodia

radicalized a lot of the peasants. But Pol Pot himself was an aristocrat. He went to school in France and was educated by the communists in France. He was a top, I think his uncle was a prince or something like that. And that's why he was killing all of the people who had any sort of education. because they could do counter propaganda and assist. I mean, both sides need their elites. Conservatives have always been wrong about this, right? We do need to have smart people in conservative politics who are intellectuals. We do actually need that.

It's just that now the idea of stodgy intellectualism is like, well, that's boring and stupid and we hate it. And I don't blame, but I think intellectualism itself can be presented in a different way than the, well, you know, that type of thing. But that's what Paul Pot was worried about, right? He was worried about educated people being able to push back against messaging. Anybody with glasses, anybody with an education, anybody who held had any standing in society, they just killed them. Well, and this is exactly right.

Part of the problem, too, is that this is not just a modern problem, though we see it often in the modern world. It's a human problem. But the reality is authority exists for the subordinate, and you should recognize as a noble person in a position of authority. the reason I'm an intellectual is to actually meet the needs of the people. This is essentially division of labor. I'm extremely intelligent. I also have the time and resources to study and learn things that your average person can't so I can help direct society in a positive direction.

But intellectualism does not have that same status that it used to among people because we know the intellectual class does not care about us and hasn't cared about it. They have no real world experience. Marxists have captured the institutions of America. Yes. We've just surrendered academia to Marxists. And you look at like the way in which a lot of them operate. like they've never really existed in the real world.

Imagine going from high school being a high achieving student to the university, and then after that you get a position as a professor, and then eventually you get, what's it called, when they get like the high-standing position? Tenure. Yeah. You get tenure. You've actually never existed in the real world. You don't know how it works.

And I just got to say, all the teachers that I ever had in school growing up or through college, the best ones I ever had were all people who spent time in the private sector. They all knew way more about the subject matter that they were teaching than the ones that hadn't. Because of practical application. Exactly. It's not just theory at that point. The way that this happens, the way that institutional capture happens is, I have an article about this on my substack, actually with tons of examples and citations. You get big foundations with tons of money, like the Rockefeller Foundation, the Ford Foundation.

There's tons of them. They're everywhere. These big, huge NGOs. And what they do is they find kind of like radical academics who are going to push the agenda they want. They'll create a position for that person or a scholar's. for that person and get them seated in an institution with a lot of influence under the, you know, contract that you're going to push this, you know, agenda that we want. And that's how they do it.

Because people think this is like conspiracy theory stuff. It's very simple. Yes. Well, that's the thing, right? Human systems are, they're easier to manipulate in a certain respect than a lot of people think. And one of the things I've got this buddy, Aaron McIntyre, and he's been on the show a couple times. But what he points out very often, and I think correctly so, is that democracy is essentially

just rule by mass media. You can simplify these things in a way that helps you understand. It's not just this needlessly abstract and complex system. There's like buttons that you can push very easily. And you're absolutely correct. You just get some people with the right funding to create a specific scholarship or position at a university to put some Marxist theorists that you like in there. And all of a sudden you've reshaped the minds of literally hundreds, even thousands of students. Yep. There's a there's a capability crisis also. A capability crisis, and that's getting worse and worse and worse. So an easy example, the last time you went and got a fast food burger,

you know exactly what I'm talking about with a capability crisis, okay? Yeah. But it's all sectors of society you'll find this in. By the way, you can't show yourself at a drive-through after the show ends because they'll know that you said that. Yeah, exactly. They're capable of doing that. But let me ask you a question.

Let's say that you happen to be a capable individual. and just because you're just a little bit more capable than most of the people around you, you're able to subvert an entire institution because it's not that hard. Yeah. Right? Systems over time,

they become kind of decadent and the rules and processes become more important than the spirit of what those rules and processes were there for. And when you just get a slightly capable person in there, they can easily bend an entire institution to their will. Yeah. But the thing is, is don't they kind of have incentive

to be bad guys when you think? about it. If you're able to so easily do that, wouldn't you easily look around and be like, well, I'm clearly the most capable person around. People should do what I say. And so it seems to me like, you know, Marxists also, they were masters of this, masters of going into institutions that had these kind of sort of rigid rules that had lost the spirit of what the rules were there for. And they just weaponized them. Took them over quickly and went, well, we're the most capable. That's why we're winning. And that's exactly. exactly why society should march to our drum, right?

Yeah, well, that's exactly the problem with having rules based in a high-trust society now applying to a low-trust society. That's right. These institutions all existed at a time where the rules made sense because people could generally trust one another. They were on board with the same projects. Right. We're not in that position anymore.

I mean, not even close. Not even, not even close. Yeah. Yeah. I've talked about this a lot, but we're in a position where Americanism and the ideas behind the founding are being weaponized against us, against America. This idea that anyone can come here and be American. And to be American means that you can be a Hindu socialist and become, you know,

mayor of one of our major cities or something like that. As the founders intended, of course. Yeah, of course. As the founders. And then if you don't like that. That's what they died for in World War II. That's right. That's what my grandpa fought.

The idea that anyone can come here and be an American was totally refuted. with the Iraq war, right? The idea that we could go into Iraq, we could install Jeffersonian democracy, and they would love it, and they would automatically turn into, you know, republic-loving Americans was proven definitively wrong.

The idea that you can take people from societies like that, bring them to the United States, and they will then become Jefferson, you know, lovers of Jeffersonian democracy. They will automatically love our liberals, liberal society. That is flat out wrong. It is totally wrong. 100% wrong. And to continue

to behave as such will not make people into Jeffersonian democracy lovers. It will make America more like the places that they came from. It will not make those people into Americans. Look at Minneapolis. Look at Dearborn, Michigan. Look at New York City right now. These places are like if you would have told, I was 21 years old. when 9-11 happened. And if you would have told me then in the in the aftermath of 9-11 for those of us Gen Xers and older who really remember that time period of the whole country for the only time,

you know, in the last 25 years, we're all like really united around this idea of like proud to be an American and defending our country and like we're going to get whoever did this kind of thing. If you would have told me then that 25 years later, we're going to elect a socialist Muslim mayor of that same city that just went through 9-11, I would have never believed you. It's interesting. I would have found it impossible to believe at the time. There were actually public opinion polls that showed that people began viewing Islam more favorably after 9-11. A large part of that was because there was this massive push by the institutions to say that we should really feel bad for victims of Islamophobia. But it's always hilarious

because you can poke holes in these ways of thinking so easily. They'll say, well, you know, 9-11 happened, but then innocent, peaceful Muslims who didn't do anything wrong got blamed. So they're the real victims. I'm like, well, hold on. Well, Islamophobia happened, but innocent non-Muslims who aren't Islamophobic got blamed. So we're the real victims of the United. The UK got completely and utterly screwed by this. Islamophobia has been all the hype over the last few decades.

And you've got guys like Medi Hassan who are at the forefront pushing that in the UK. He was there for decades as this sort of intellectual, but he's not a liberal. Well, he poses as a liberal. Or an intellectual. And he goes and he goes and subverts the United Kingdom political system. And but we know there's videos of him saying, I view non-believers in Allah as cattle. Right. That's right.

And then he moves over to the United States. And I don't know how the left don't see this. He is a subverter through and through. And when you ask, they do see it. No, they do see it. They think they want to engage in subversion with him. They believe that they will be able to convert, they will be able to convert him to a liberal orthodoxy. He will not be

converted to a liberal orthodoxy. Every single time a left-leaning, liberal, whatever you want to call it, person has aligned with an Islamist, the Islamists win. Because once the Islamists are given power, they will cut the heads off of people that disagree. The same dilemma that they've got in the UK at the moment, it's the feminist dilemma. Feminists are out there in the streets saying mass migration, you know, immigrants are welcome here. and then they get over there and all of the immigrants like,

oh, yeah, okay, yeah, feminism, cool. And it's like they actually think these liberals that these people will arrive on the shores of England or America and they will all of a sudden realize their internal yearnings for democracy and feminism. Yeah, it's a fantastic point. We were, again, we were discussing this the other night and we're doing debate prep. It is, in fact, the case that Islam, you know, Islam hates progressives.

I mean, they hate progressives. They're a special kind of hate. but if progressives are the ones advocating that we bring in more, then they will vote along those party lines to get their cousins in and to get their fathers in and to get their brother husbands. They'll vote to get all those people in and then they'll look over and they'll say, okay, now we're in charge. Guess what's going to happen to you?

You're exactly right. The question becomes this, though, is like it's so obvious that that's going on, right? how is it that these people are able to hold these cross-generational plans for this, and Christians are so incapable. We're so incapable of thinking about Christians who built these hundreds of years' cathedrals, you know, it took them hundreds and hundreds of years to finish these great works. And now suddenly we're totally blind, and we can't do any sort of cross-generational planning. We've been infected by liberalism.

Yeah, and these guys have atomized individuals and not part of an unbroken lineage. Yeah, these guys do. And that's what they're doing in the UK. And they're like, yes, absolutely. We're all for the liberals. We love the liberals. I heart liberals. I was listening to Darrell Cooper's podcast, The Fear and Loath of New Jerusalem.

And he made a really good point that we, like you said, Seamus, we are atomized sort of people. And we don't really have this unbroken line. But if you go to speak to those guys and you ask them who they are, you'll have to take a seat because, you know, their, you know, father is this person from this place, you know, third of my line, whatever it is. But you tell us and we're like, you know, I'm Jay, go to YouTube channel. I don't really know who we are anymore and where we come from. I think it's all because of a world, no sense of identity.

Yeah, no sense of identity anymore. Yeah. Yeah, no, I think you're absolutely right. And one more thing I'll mention about this is you pointed out the fact that obviously Islam is incompatible with progressive ideologies and they hate progressives. And I think there's a certain kind of progressive on the ground who's a young, dumb, starry-od person who doesn't see that incompatibility or they think that Muslims are going to be grateful to them or agree with them.

But the true believers at the top know Muslims hate them and want to kill them and they don't care because they're fundamentally suicidal. And they also know that Muslims want to kill Christians and that's enough for them, basically. If you will attack Christians with them, then you are their ally because that's their ultimate goal. I think that there's a, I think that you're right to a degree. But I do think that at the end of the day, they think that their worldview can essentially, essentially they think that they can force their will on, on Islam. I think the story I'd once do. I think it's ridiculous to think that,

but I think that the people that the people that want to see the U.S. like torn down, I think they believe that once you, because the way that the left looks at the U.S. and Western society is they see all the bad things and they say, if we just tear it down, all of the good things will remain.

We tear things down, not because they're just looking to destroy the society. That's not really the goal. They believe that when you tear things down, the good stuff remains, right? The The concept is Alth Haven. It's to destroy as well as to prop up, right? It's a, but maybe there's an easier explanation for it.

Maybe it's just that the same way that Christians no longer think in terms of identity for cross-generational planning, maybe progressives really don't anymore either. And they're looking at the here and now, just like most of Western society. We have, and if you look at the way Western society is set up, even in democracy, it's this way, right? It's like you're in for four years. What cross-generational plan are those guys making? Almost nothing, right? We set everything up for like, give me, give me now, give me now, identity now, give me now, give me now, give me now.

We have to win the next election. There's no cross-generational plans. And it's like maybe progressives don't really have one. Maybe their plan right now is just this looks like it's inequality and we need to put a stop to it. And the people they're bringing in, though, are capable of that. So do you think that the system that the kind of liberal democracies that we live in, do you think that those are, are a cause of the atomized individual? Yes.

Yes, of course. Look, universal suffrage is the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life. Yes, absolutely. I agree 100. And the thing is, is like, our founders knew it. They didn't trust the electorate. Why the hell would you? Why would you ever trust the electorate?

They didn't, not for a second. And when left their own devices under the Articles of Confederation, the States didn't trust the electorate. To your point, and I want to make this, I want to articulate this so that way people listening can at least think of it through this way. People will swear up and down that it's super important that everybody

has the right to vote, right? It's a fundamental right. It's so important, blah, blah, blah. Then you ask that very same person, how many people do you interact with during the day that are stupid? And they're going to say, oh, at least half the people. So then why do you want those people to vote?

If you believe that half the people that you interact with, or more maybe, are stupid, right? They can barely get through the day. you're amazed that they can drive a car, you know, that they can do simple things. If you can't fathom these people managing their day-to-day life,

why on earth do you want them to vote? Well, if you don't trust a person's wise enough to be the president of the United States until they're 35, why do you trust a person be wise enough to vote for until they're 35? They don't even think women can pick who they want to date until they're 25

because they're friend to low. Yeah, they're free from low. But they can vote. Or be on OnlyFans. You can join OnlyFans from 18 years old, but never had a good reason for why. Blue-haired wannabe Marxist, tofu-eating university student should be able to vote.

I've never heard a single... Let's just say what's true is that the reason we have universal suffrage is not because anybody thought that was the best idea. That was put into place because then all that elections become and all that democracy becomes is a big dog and pony show where it's just propaganda. It's just who has the most money in the most ads. Well, it becomes a shadow front for like what the real gun. government is. We've been talking about the deep state since 2016. And as long as you have one

person, one vote, and you're busing in illegal people or dead people are voting and all these other crazy things, it just creates like a fog of war where the people who are really running things behind the scenes can get away with murder and do whatever they want. And to take a page for my old libertarian days when I was younger, as Hans Hermann Hoppa would say, democracy always tends towards the franchise being universalized over time. You got you out of libertarianism, too. That's what happened to me. Honestly, just learning a bit more about the Catholic faith did.

But I'll mention this too, because we've said a couple things about the fact that universal voting, obviously, is a great idea. The founders didn't think it was a great idea. I said this the other day. We essentially have a system that's set up in such a way where if a problem needs to be solved and the solution is going to involve short-term pain and take more than four years to solve, then you can't solve it. But thank goodness none of our problems can be described that way. Like, thank goodness no serious issue in the world takes more than four years to deal with. All the things which are perceived as strengths, we are now seeing in modernity are really big detriments.

Like checks and balances, for instance, that slows the government to like such a slog and crawl that nothing gets done when it's important that it does. We have a government shutdown right now, for instance, right? It all slogged in partisan politics, right? Checks and balances preventing anything from being done about this. And it's because the distrust was so high that they'd rather see the government doing nothing than anything. And so the thing is, is like, that should give you some insight into what our originators and founders thought of universal suffrage. Like, what a terrible idea.

What a terrible idea. Another good example of this as well is that, like, one of the, biggest problems we've got is obviously the birth rates. We talk about this a lot. We have a demographic crisis across the west. How does it's, by the way, it's like brewing across the world in general. The UN has had these predictions for years about when population is going to peak and then start to decrease. And they're like actually really optimistic about when the peak is going to happen. It looks like it's probably going to happen sooner, but I'm not an expert. But I mean like South Korea 0.7. I was just talking to them upstairs about how I've got a friend who's in the South Korean

military. And they are literally finding. South Korean specimen men who are above six feet tall and they are paying them good money for their load basically. To go and try and repopulate, to try and create what we were calling the Uber-Korean. Imagine if there was just a system set up where men and women created children together.

Imagine if there was just a way to do that. Imagine people got married. It's all on this. On this. But what would a politician realistically do, right? If you're going to be campaigning, are you going to come out and say, All right, ladies, back to the kitchen.

Back to the kitchen. We need to go in. We need to start making love, making babies, making families, or just open the back door and just bring in a bunch of migrants. Yeah. Well, kick the can down the road. Or even better, you have to pander to that vote, right? So now, unfortunately, that block gets to control whether or not you get any power or not anyway.

And so even if it's necessary that you need to move something in society that moves you towards birth rates. If it disaffects any tiny block, that could be the swing block for your vote. That pandering completely destroys your ability to make any of those movements happen. And so it's like, for all the goods that you can point to, man, there sure are a lot of bads.

That's right. Well, speaking of bad things that are going on in the world, White House officials are even acknowledging that they're unhappy about the 50-year mortgage idea released by top housing official sources. This is from CBS News. A proposal for a 50-year mortgage wasn't fully vetted by top Trump administration officials and wasn't ready to be made public sources told CBS News you don't say.

Over the weekend, top federal housing official Bill Pult floated the idea with President Trump and then approved a truth social post. Some Trump officials this week vented their frustration with them over the move. One source said Mr. Trump was lukewarm about the suggestion, but announced it to get him to shut up about it. That's hilarious. Good old Donald Trump. So we were speaking about this yesterday.

What do you guys think this is? You think this is just backtracking from the administration? Do you think it was released when it was half baked and they realized that they made a mistake? Or do you think that they love this idea and now they're doing damage? Well, I have a take that may not be that popular. Oh, let me hear it. I better throw out an unpopular take here so we don't all just say, yeah. Yeah, yeah, so we don't all agree.

I was talking to a very, very rich real estate mogul. who pointed something out to me. This was when we were in Vegas, in fact. We were discussing housing and how that's usually always a safe bet for your money. And one of the reasons he said it was is he's like, look, let's say you go get a mortgage, right, tomorrow. You're young, it's your first house,

it's an FHA loan, something like that. And you're set in your mortgage price for like $3,000 a month. Like, that's a lot of money for the average person. But in 10 years, it won't be. That's right. And then in 20 years, it really won't be. And in 25 years, it won't seem like it's shit. and everybody else will be paying $10,000 a month for their mortgage,

and you're at this fixed rate, right? Then what you can do is you can pay that house off extremely quickly because you're at a fixed rate. So these 50 years fixed, it is possible. Now, I haven't crunched the math because I only just now started looking at this. I understand you're going to be paying a shitload more interest in things like this, but if it's the case that you're looking at long-term planning for paying off your house quickly and you're banking on inflation, it could actually be a great idea

so that young people can get houses now at a more affordable rate and pay them off way quicker after 10 years if you're banking on inflation. And you should be banking on inflation. I think that's the problem, though. I think that's what made people so upset about this is it's like, why are we doing this like, here's a terrible system.

Let's create a Band-Aid fix that makes us feel better about it and at least kind of guards against inflation a little bit. And it's like, how about we just don't do more actual usury on top of this ridiculous system that we have that does create perpetual cycles of boom and bust and perpetual inflation. Like, these things can't go on forever. And we've been saying this my whole lifetime that this system needs to change, that the debt-based economy needs to change, that the central banking stuff needs to go.

And I think people are just sick. Everybody wants that. I feel like everybody really wants the underlying problems to be fixed. And they see this as just like a very goofy, like, oh, yeah, sure. Let me just pay more than double what this house is actually worth. Well, it's actually, I think with the 50-year fix is much closer to like triple. Well, and this is the concern about it is even though you're right that some people over the term of the mortgage will be able to get a better payment because it's fixed and because, of course, over 50 years and inflation is going to just be completely out of control. Oh, yeah.

The issue, though, is that as soon as the average person's buying power increases because they can get a 50-year mortgage, the cost of housing is just going to continue to increase. So they're trying to prevent the market correction with this, I think. And it's a correction that just has to happen if young people are ever going to be able to buy homes. I mean, the cost of housing is going to increase anyway. I think it's true. I think this is going to make it worse. And also, so before we had the 30-year mortgage, I mean, before the Great Depression, mortgages were usually on like five-year terms.

And now that we have 30, and then it went to 15 and 20 and then 30. And housing prices, like, multiplied by four or five. And that's not all attributable to that, but it did a lot to bring-prudely. population then. Yeah, the developers are so bullish on the property market. In Australia, I know they are for sure. In America, it would be something similar because there's just not enough houses to fill the hand.

As long as that's the case, the prices are going to. You have to build where there's water. Yeah. Right? So you have a major restriction there. All the huge cities are built basically where there's water. There's a few exceptions, but not many. And so if that's the case, it's like, yeah, people are always saying, you know, the United

States, it's very unpopulated. And it's like, yeah, for the landmass. But not every landmass is all that inhabitable. So you got to look at that. And then you got to look at how can you get young people? Because the biggest complaint that I hear from 20-somethings is I can't get a house. And that's a serious, serious problem. That's not a small thing.

Well, and if you want to control for birth rates and you want to control for family units, the idea that young people need to be able to buy a home, tan them out. Yeah. It's 100%. I mean, it's something that should be focused. on. Do I like the idea? No. Not at all. But I'm going to at least look first before I ditch it at a silver lining. If you're looking at the fact that we know for sure Trump's only going to be there for a few more years. We can expect there's going to be more Democrat presidents who come in,

more Democrat organizations. They're going to do these massive welfare. Gimmie, gimmies. And that's going to increase the flow of money supply, therefore increase inflation, right? And that's the case. than Kamala's idea of just more housing projects. Yeah, when you buy houses, don't you want to be in a market where you know that there's going to be inflation if you have a fixed rate? Of course. Of course. Of course you do.

I mean, it's like it benefits you. It benefits you greatly. So it is something to look at that there could possibly be silver lining here. That's all I'm saying. I don't disagree. I just think it's a band date and I think it's going to make it worse overall. It is a huge problem. I mean, you're talking about the birth rates.

Like as much as the cultural issues and everything are a massive contributor. It's also urbanization. You know, you go to places like Japan and South Korea who have the lowest birth rates in the world. Go to Tokyo or go to Seoul and they're crammed in to tiny little one-bedroom apartments like this. They don't want to have kids. And it's a similar thing in the Western countries, you know. Going to this little one-bedroom apartment and what do they call them? Coffin apartments.

Yeah, they say that we're dinks. Dual income, no kid. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they become dinks. One group. Yeah, we're dinks. And they make those TikToks. They're like, oh, we're dinks. We don't have kids.

We can do whatever we want. I got to make a TikTok where I'm like, I don't have a rescue dog. I don't have to take care of a little animal. Like, oh, this is my rescue dog. Free life. I don't have to wake up in the morning to take him outside. If you ever did that, people would lose their minds. But if you do the exact same thing about having children, they go, you go, girl.

Oh, yeah. There was a guy that just interviewed people at some kind of leftist rally, and he was talking about that they're aborting puppies. Did you see that? Oh, yeah. And they were like, that's horrible. Yeah, he was explaining abortion as though they were doing it to puppies and how horrible it was.

And the people were like, oh, my God, we have to stop this. It's so terrible until he stayed. started to slowly realize he was talking about people and they were like, Stark. It's funny, though, the dink thing, it runs contrary to every single kind of a philosopher over the last 2,000 years who's looked at the problem of meaning. Yeah. And so I always try to explain it to people like this.

Think of it like a survival craft RPG. What makes that RPG so much fun is gathering all the resources and then spending them, right? It's spending all the resources because that's the time sync on this, on this, on this. Once you've built everything, the game's not fun anymore. That's right. It's not fun anymore. And one of the things about having a family and kids is that you're out there crafting all the resources, right? And there's a sink.

There's kind of this endless sink for resources. And it's like often what will happen with these people is, well, they get all the things that they want and they have no more fucking purpose or meaning. Well, it's so bizarre too, because you're correct that every philosopher worth their salt acknowledged that. that the family unit was the cornerstone of civilization and it gave people meaning. But even the barbarians wanted to have children. They didn't want to take care of them or they wanted to have them with multiple different women,

but they wanted to have children. This idea of, I want to end my bloodline so that I can focus on little pleasures in life. It's so emasculating and embarrassing. It's not even something that stupid people thought hundreds of years ago. Well, even their demon gods were like, got to have kids who are going to torture.

Yeah, exactly. We're going to sacrifice. That's the whole point. Now we've got people who are like, but I want to go to the Taylor Swift concert and the music festival and everything on the weekends and I don't really want to have to think about anything else. And it's a very decadent lifestyle.

And what it does is it moves away from what we're trying to see in society anyway. Now, it's not a perfect analogy, obviously, the survival craft thing. But the point is, what we're talking about is meaning. And meaning people, if you pull people, have children, things like this, they almost always way higher on happiness index than people who don't. And the reason is, is because of meaning. You have great meaning that comes with your

bloodline continuing. And from an evolutionary model, even, isn't that the primary edicts? Yeah, exactly. If you're just an evolutionist, you believe that we're the product of some randomized Darwinistic process, then you should recognize that, of course, that process is going to reward you psychologically for having children. We wouldn't have gotten very far as a species if it didn't. But yeah, they argue that you shouldn't have children. You shouldn't have a family. You're a much better consumer if you don't. So it works for the system. But it's just a very jarring thing. One thing people get horrified by nowadays is if you say something to them like, oh, it would be good if you had a family or if it would be good if you had kids. That is like

a shocking statement that really offends people. But people will constantly say, well, you know, there are some people who just shouldn't have kids. You're allowed to tell people that they shouldn't have kids, which is far, far more insulting. But if you tell somebody that they should, all of a sudden you're a monster, but that was a blessing for all of history. To tell someone, I hope you don't reproduce, it's like not a kind thing to say.

I just had to lay to tell me the other night on the whatever podcast that my life would have been much better had I deleted my children. That's insane. She's a sick, but she's trying to make herself feel better about her own decisions. That's why you say something like that. That's exactly what she said. She said, if I were in your shoes, I would have had a much better time doing that. And it's like,

My dad gave me this great piece of advice when I was young. We were talking about some women in our lives that we knew who had like massive self-esteem problems and never gained any self-confidence and they became these black holes. And he said, they all think that self-esteem comes from other people telling you, oh, you're good enough and you're beautiful the way you are. And he said, that's not where self-esteem comes from. It comes from doing difficult things and persevering and learning that you can trust yourself to handle tough things. That's exactly right.

Like, can I trust me? Yeah. Am I able to, not does everyone pat me on the back and tell me how great I am. Can I trust myself to handle this and follow through and do hard things? And then as you do those hard things, you build actual self-esteem and actual confidence. That's something that everyone's lacking. Like the younger generation, that's why they're all anxious and depressed and everything. It's like, and they don't think they can do anything.

No, they can't even talk to people. There's literally no communion anymore. And they have meltdowns if they have to like work more than four hours at a time, because it's just they don't believe that they can do anything hard. I knew I had a friend of mine that for a long time, she couldn't call to order a pizza because that kind of interaction was too stressful. These are the, also, by the way, like, I'm not saying we shouldn't take the problem of left wing violence seriously

because there are lunatics out there who will actually do it. But just so, you know, like a lot of the people threatening you on the internet are afraid to make phone calls. True. They are too afraid to make their own doctors a point. One thing I'd point out is actually because of the rate of mental illness on the left, the rhetoric that they use is 10 times worse, even if it's similar to that of right wingers.

Let's just say it was. It's worth. It's still 10 times worse because their appeal is always to that lunatic fringe. It's always to the craziest people. And those crazy people, they're always in their discords. You ever go to like a Destiny Discord? Oh my God. You ever go to a Vosch discord?

Holy shit. Hell world. Yeah, it's hell on wheels. And the lowest common denominator of people. And they're the sickest, craziest people. you can imagine and they're the easiest to influence. Well, I've said this a number of times on the show. I'm going to sound like a broken record here. But my argument is that leftism is just a word we use to describe the intellectual rationalization for social decay. Whenever someone doesn't want to do what

they're supposed to do and they find a highfalutant argument to, you know, cover their, their laziness or their basically viciousness, they call it leftist theory. Anytime some leftist comes out with a new groundbreaking theory is just like, why I shouldn't have a bedtime, why I should be able to eat fruit snacks all day. You know, it's just a, another version of them trying to enforce their childish ideals. Their idea of rights is always, what can I do that has no duties associated with it that's more degenerate? Yes.

What right to more degeneracy can I have? And so the more degenerate a person is, the more likely they're going to gravitate towards. Always. And this is the idea. The more degenerate is the more right it is. I don't even think that they have new. That's right. I don't even think that they have good arguments or new arguments.

You know, that post that went viral on Twitter, that 90s. of debating with leftists is them pretending they don't know what things mean. Yes. Millennial lows. Yeah. And them pretending that what you're saying is incoherent when it's not incoherent. Right. Now, there's people who say incoherent things, but one of the reasons I'm so tough in

semantics when I'm debating with leftists is because it holds them to the meanings of what they say. And you've never seen people freak out so bad in your life. I just had this university student, Naima, debated with her, right? Brutal. Just getting the semantics in order. You've never seen a person panic and freak out more when I just asked her, what does this mean? So I can hold you to that standard.

And just watching them freak out because they don't because they want to equivocate and use ambiguity. That's right. So that they don't have to commit to anything. So they just pretend what you're saying doesn't make any sense. And it's like these people are just incredible. Yeah, these people are crazy. And people will say the devil's in the details. I think it's the opposite.

I think the devil's in the ambiguity. It's always how can I get away with. saying two things at once. Their most common fallacy in a debate is equivocation. And that's what that is. It's the use of ambiguous language to move between meanings of words when they suit you for the argument that you're making. Now evil doesn't mean that.

It means this. That's right. That's right. Now homosexual doesn't mean this. It means that. Now government doesn't mean this. I meant it as this. And that's why pinning them.

And then they do the snobble. Like you're not educated enough to know what government. It means now. That's the thing. And that's why it's so important to pin him down on semantics in the beginning of a debate because he's absolutely right. They pretend that they just don't understand anything. It's like, fine.

If you're going to pretend that, then I'm going to sit at this fucking table tell you do. We share a vocabulary with the left, but we do not share a dictionary with the left. Or meaning. Not the same definition. Or just plain meaning. Like, even words, every definition has limits, but they still have meanings associated with them. And it's like, can we just pretend, can we stop pretending that they don't?

It was the arrogance, though, of that debate, because the beauty of it was that you got her to, she was so arrogant and she was so, like, spiteful that she just wanted to argue against everything that you said. So you were able to make her argue against her own worldview. He took on her worldview and argued it as if it was his own. And she was, and she just condemned it and said it was crazy and said it was awful. And he's like,

And that's your position. I want to piggyback off something Phil said, because you made a point and it was a joke, but I actually think it was pretty profound and true when you said the more degenerate it is, the more of a right it is. I remember making this joke during COVID. And this is a family show,

so I'll try to be a little bit careful here. There's also a lady presence, so I'll be a little careful with my language. But they were saying, you can't. No, no, no, absolutely not. No, no, no. It should have been. Now that you mentioned it.

What I'm trying to express it is like during COVID, can't go to church, right? You can't go to work. You can't feed your family. Can't do these things. And I was like, dude, and they laughed at you. They said, huh, you think your freedom's so important. Like, you just, you know, you're going to prevent people from life. Same thing they say with guns, by the way. Exactly. Exactly. You think your freedom's so important. People are going to die, blah, blah, blah. They were laughing at you for asserting legitimate freedoms. And I thought this at the time. I was like, dude, if literally, if the government said that like sodomy increases the likelihood of getting COVID and they tried to restrict it, they would lose their mind. And then what

happened. Monkeypox. Monkeypox happened. And we were told we had to stay locked down and we couldn't go to our jobs and they had to give the largest transfer of what that ever happened in all of history to the richest people in the country. We were told sit down, shut up because this virus is serious. But then when it came to monkey pox, it was like, well, we can't tell people not to do that because that's the fundamental right. Because the more degenerate it is, the more of a right it is. Andrew just had a guy in a, he had like a five-on-one style debate. What? And he literally had a guy tell him that this country was

got way too excited before she finished there, okay? Way too excited. Calm down, Phil. Yeah, jeez. The guy said to Andrew that America was founded for people to be able to be degenerate. He said that. This is what this guy said to you? Yeah. He literally said, and Andrew said, no, what about it until people could be

degenerate? Which was perfect. It's the most ridiculous thing. Because, you know, one of the things really funny here is we have all these documents. I mean, we have so many of these documents, not just from the founders, but from the contributors of which there's thousands, thousands of contributors to the Constitution. It's like,

one thing that was of a universal agreement for democracy is that he had to have a moral populace. Yes. Amen. Or it wasn't even possible. And we don't. And so it's not. And that's it. That's really that, right? That's that. Well, and that's the crisis

in this country right now with respect to government is how do we maintain a style of government made for moral populace? and we don't have a moral populace. Right. And people don't want to say it out loud because, oh, well, this is offensive and you can't label the government as having any, like, religious motivation or underpinnings, but a Christian government.

I guess it should. I guess it should then. Yeah, yeah. Like, how do you maintain a Christian government or a Christian legal system, which is what we have, in essence, with a pagan culture? You can't. People are so in denial. I'm seeing that debate everywhere.

America is not a real Christian country. Like I heard Vivek Ramoswami doing a speech the other day, and some kid comes up and asks him, you're a Hindu. How are you going to be president or? or governor whatever, if the Hindu values don't align with the Christian values. And he goes, son, I want to give you a copy of the Constitution. And he gave it, it was like a real super condescending. And I was just thinking to myself, if the founders of America had have known that there

was going to be a Hindu running for president, they would have definitely thought twice, put it that way. Because if you look at the context. 35 would not have been the only requirement. If you look at the context of that time, like this is a time when they didn't even have any contact with Hindu countries, it or maybe loosely throughout Europe. Like the Bhagavad Gita and the Upanishads maybe just started to make it to Europe. Like if they had a, like, they were not thinking the same back then as they are now.

If you thought there was going to be Arab Muslims coming in and being governor of New York, like a mayor of New York. Yeah. It'd be unthinkable for them. And by the way, we did a show with Vivek. I was actually hosting that time. He was a great conversation, smart guy. But yeah, I don't buy this idea that we can just interchange these religions, Christianity and Hinduism. It doesn't work.

And you see this rhetoric for more and more people on the right. It's not just him. It's like, we're a Hindeu Christian nation. It's like, no, like, this is not, these are different sets of ideas. Yeah, that's mine. You can borrow that. Five of them in the cabinet. I'm not Hindu, but I will fight for your right to be Hindu.

I will die. Judeo, Christian, any of these things are going to be incompatible. You can't have a new subset of value structures come in and not have conflict with the old. Ever. Yeah. And the thing is, it's like, you can't also say that you don't want these things to change these amendments to change, which are ratifications of God-given rights, and then deny the God from which they're drawn. Amen. And so ultimately, I think what you see here is once again,

we're being conquered. We're being externally conquered. And that's because of internal policy. And I don't know exactly what you're supposed to do about this with universal suffrage, man. I don't even know that there's an answer to it. Yeah, I hear what you're saying. Like, Are we just on a trajectory where society's going to fall apart? I've thought about this too. There's a great quote. I probably say this like every other week on the show, but the venerable Archbishop Fulton Sheen said that communism is not what destroys society.

It's the rot that sets in when your society's already been destroyed. And I think that that's true, honestly, of a lot of the social problems we're seeing. We're going, how do we save the country from this? And it's like, well, if that's happening, in some sense, it's too late. But, but God can raise the dead, right? So I'm not blackpilled on it. I think our country could come back. It just won't be through natural means.

Look, I want a renaissance as much as the next guy. That's what I'm always advocating, right? Renaissance, Renaissance, Renaissance, not revolution. Amen. But the thing is, and here, we've had them before and they can happen rapidly. But here's what I see. I see a pretty decadent population. And that's what I see. The irony of that is that what are you going to get out of that? Not democracy. You're going to get a tyrant. And it's just like who, what kind of strong man is going to come out of that? Historically, it's not usually very good. That's why Andrew's always trying to advocate for, uh, to start feeling more comfortable governing using their Christian morals and not this crazy idea that everyone except us can do that, right? The Muslims can govern with their Muslim morals and the Hindus can govern with Hindu. If you don't wield power as Christians, people will wield power against you as Christians. Well, and this is one of the hilarious little bits of rhetoric we've heard for the past

several decades. You can't legislate your values. Yes, you can. It's like, well, it's funny because no, they're being sincere. They're saying you can't legislate your values. But we can. You can't legislate anything but values, by the way. What you do is they just rely on you accepting the presupposition that we should govern as secularists. Right. Well, or govern the supposition that, well, I know what Christians really should be doing, not Christians. Yeah. I hear that more than anything.

You're not a real Christian. I go, are you a Christian? And they go, no. And I go, what the hell are you talking about then? Yeah. You're going to sit here. What are you talking about? Or my favorite is when they go, how very pro-life of you.

Anytime you say anything that gives you. You call yourself pro-life, and yet you don't think we should be funding Latins folks in Uganda having slam poetry sessions. You know how many people will die if we don't do that? It's like, come on. 35 cents to cure the kids from AIDS in Africa. And you want to take that away from you said? What kind of monster are you?

And you're like, okay, one million abortions a year right here, though? Well, that's a woman's right. Exactly. I'm just going to accept you just said Latins folks in Uganda. There probably is some sort of a subculture, you know? Sure there is. So good. There's like three of them.

Listen, you never know. But speaking of Christian policy and sensible policy, one thing that's gone completely out the window over the course of the past several decades is any semblance of law and order punishing people when they break the law. We're told it's too complicated. We're told that you can't just lock up the people who are breaking the law and then have the law be broken less often as a result of that. It's just too complicated.

That's what these very smart people with a lot of degrees keep telling us. And yet, as it turns out time and time again, When you try this, it seems to work. And so even though we don't have any statistical or any official stats on this that we've pulled up, we do have a great statement from the president of the United States. And as a patriot, that's enough of an authority for me. Donald J. Trump said, I am proud to announce that Chicago, Illinois, despite all of the radical opposition and obstruction we have from the mayor and the governor,

has seen car theft, shootings, robberies, violent crime, and everything else drop dramatically since the launch of the DA. HHS Operation Midway Blitz. In Chicago only weeks ago, shootings are down 35%. Robberies are down 41% and carjackings are down 50%. Guys, I thought this was too complicated. Yeah, I thought we just have to hug them and give them money and resources and then they'll just behave.

They'll just want to be good. Your mom never took them to Disney as a kid or gave him Coco and that's why they broke the law. Progressives have been, when we found this out recently, and I've been covering many of the various podcasters who've broken these stories, or at least enhanced them, that many progressive cities have been for years lying about the crime rates

by simply allocating crimes in different categories where they don't belong. And then saying, see, violent crime is dropping. Well, sure it is. I'm sure violent crime is dropping. If you consider mugging like jaywalking, right? Then absolutely. All of a sudden, violent crime's going to drop drastically.

But, and what they want to do, the reason that that's being done, people go, why would they do that? Why would they do that? And it's like, well, it's really simple. It's because they want to say our policies where we're soft on crime and we're focusing on the economic end of what's going on with the minority crime population, right? That's working. And here you can see that that's working because after all, we just kind of mismanage what we consider violent crime or other types of crime, put them in different categories and then we can say our economic solutions are working instead of the jail cell. And it's like, no, they're not working.

And here's what does work. Isn't it amazing? When law enforcement locks people up and judges give them sentences, crime starts to decrease rapidly. Now, I'll give you an example of where this happened that's easy to point at. Mayor Rudy Giuliani. Yeah. Did a fantastic job.

And don't ever tell me stopping frist didn't work. It worked. 100%. Okay. It worked. And don't tell me that the tough crime stances, haven't worked, they have worked. Over and over. Because we know

that most of these crimes are committed by a small handful of repeat offenders. You put those people in a cage and they stop committing the crime. The socioeconomic factors don't grab someone else and make them do it, all right? Like those people chose to commit the crime. How many news stories have you seen this year where some guy who just got out of prison for

like the 13th time goes and does something awful and it makes the news? And we always find out, oh, this guy's already been arrested and put in jail 30 times and these liberal judges just keep letting them out. You look at something like Singapore where they're really, really tough on drugs. Like if you do major drug trafficking there, you go to prison forever. And they have practically no drug trafficking. If you litter on the street, you go to prison in Singapore. Now, I'm not saying it has to be that.

Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. But it does show that like, yes, these punitive, more punitive punishments work. It's like there's a reason Vlad the Impaler started doing what he was doing because things were out of control. Well, it was amazing when a, when a diplomatic observer came to Romania and said, how can you guys have gold in the street in one of their major cities and point over and there's all these people embelled? And it's like, that's how we can have gold in the street. Well, exactly. I mean, these things come as a reaction. They don't fall from the sky. And one of the reasons that's so important to have law and order, I mean, the primary reason is because you need to have law and order. But the left is constantly bellowing about the fact that we need to be terrified of a right

Wing Strongman, while they do everything that they can to create one. If you don't want insane, cruel and unusual punishments forced on petty criminals, you know how you can prevent that from happening? Maybe by not giving rapists three-month-long sentences. Maybe that's one of the things that could help us not overreact to petty crimes. This is one thing that we see in Europe, too. In Germany, a woman was given a longer sentence than her rapist for calling him a pig in a group chat. Which is just insanity. I mean, listen, man, I'm sorry. People, react to that and people don't react to that reasonably in a way where they put

like sensible policy in place that just puts the rapist in prison they're gonna put insane policy in place they react in the opposite direction it's not like well they end up finding the reasonable right thing to do with rapists it's like no they just round up everyone who they think is criminal including

people who've committed more petty crimes and then like other injustices happen more on the side of being too brutal right and if you're well can I ask you something about this? Is this piggybacks off of something that's an interesting phenomenon happening right now in the conservative civil war that you see mostly playing out on X. Sure.

And because it's mostly playing out on X, that must mean that that's how it all is all over the you know. Of course. But anyway, at least on X, you have what is, or was coined by James Lindsay and others before him as the quote, woke right. Yeah. Yeah. Cringe, right?

Yeah. And the quote woke right, they're saying is neo-Nazis, this and that, except. etc, et cetera. The other side's firing back, including guys like Fuentes. Fuentes often held up as being one of the like forefront leaders of this, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Here's what I see, though, and I wanted your take on this. It seems to me that if you go on as an anonymous account, right, and you say mustache man good, and you say a bunch of neo-Nazi shit, people freak out.

And that's funny. That's what people are looking for. That's really, really, really funny. It's trolling. What you're saying is it's trolling. Yeah, and it's really funny. And as long as people continue to panic about it, right, they're going to continue to, like, isn't that the case?

It's so, like, not all the time because it's true. I do think that it's trolling. I do think that it's trolling. But I also do think that Nick Flintas doesn't like Jews. Yeah, I agree. I agree. But I think his stuff with Mustash Man, there was a clip that was going around, I don't know if it was from yesterday or today that I saw, where he was giving an explanation for this.

And he was like, look, when I do this, it pisses off everybody. And they make the demand that I'm not allowed to. Yes. And you're not allowed to do that or else there's going to be serious repercussions. And he's like, through that gateway, I've been able to draw a lot more attention to the things that I want than I ever could have imagined just due to your reaction to this. And it's like, how's that not a brilliant strategy? one and two, how is it not the case that progressives himself, to kind of agree with this take here, aren't building their own mustache man?

Because it seems like if it's the case that it drives him crazy, drives him crazy, the reaction is more oppression, more oppression to one side. Oh, then it drives them crazy again when they larp that way and then oppression oppression. How do you not end up with the same strong man that he's talking about? that's my question is like how yeah i mean i don't i i think that the i think that the reaction to nick fentes has been entirely the wrong reaction right like the whole like you know

debanking him keep putting him on no fly list and stuff like that i think that's all been a bad reaction um and i don't i don't have a i don't have a significant problem with the things that he with him saying things that are that are offensive or whatever i just i do think that it's that he is telling the truth generally. There are people out there that say it's all a troll, right? There are people that say, he doesn't actually believe any of the things that he's, it's all a troll.

I don't think that's accurate. I do think he, I definitely 100% the things he's confirmed, that he believes that there's Jewish organizations, which are responsible for infiltration of the U.S. government. There's no doubt he says this often, and there's some truth to what's going on with APEC and others, and no one's going to deny any of that. There is out there is absolutely. But that's not really the question for me.

The question for me is... Your question is about right-wing backlash. It's not really about whether or not what Fuentes personally is doing right, wrong, or indifferent. But rather, isn't it the case that if you do that type of trolling and the left freaks out collectively, right, and loses their mind, how does that not incentivize more of it? So one of the things that's really interesting, too, is the left wants to frame itself as the underdog at all times. So this is something I saw recently where they were trying to make this Mondami edit, where they were almost, they were almost trying to go for the aesthetic of like a very edgy kind of fashy right wing meme. Yeah. And it was funny because it's like, well, listen, the left wing symbols don't elicit that reaction, basically from anyone, including conservatives.

Like people don't freak out about it. That also might be part of why younger people aren't seeing it as being equally transgressive or something that would shake the system up in the same way. Yeah, I think that like... Well, because like, we don't care. We have a sense of humor. That's one. And two, the left can't meme. That's also true.

Okay, the left can't meme. Also, the boomer sort of neo-con Zionist right can't meme either. And what you're talking about... Yeah, I know. That's true. Like, they can't at all. And they don't get it. They don't get this younger generation of like America First conservatives,

these sort of reactionaries, they come from a meme culture. Like, they live and breathe that shit. And I think that what you're saying. bed. What you're saying, though, I think that applies more to them now than it does to the left. They're losing their minds about it. That's true. Oh, yeah, that's good point. Like Mark Levin is a meme generator at this point. Yeah, it's true. And so it's like, I don't know, man, I think, I think if you're talking about that whole problem reaction solution thing, then if it's like, the problem is these guys are driving you crazy with their memes and they're driving you crazy with their trolling. And your

reaction is, we got to shut Twitter down. We have to suppress rights. We have to do things like this. aren't she giving them exactly what? Well, there's kind of an almost like a perfect symbiosis there between someone who is trying to troll the left and say these outrageous things and the left because they have to retain this victim status and they have to go, everyone in America is actually secretly a Nazi white supremacist

and they're just fomenting, they're frothing at the mouth, trying to ensure that there's another Holocaust and that it happens in the United States. And so to them, like there's an incentive to seek out people who say things like that and who are edgy in like some Anon account. And for the Anon account, of course, they want that reaction.

So it just plays into itself. And then you wonder how much of this actually reflects what people are saying or doing in real life. No, it just becomes a Batman and Joker thing. That's an entertaining as well. The whole thing is quite entertaining to watch. And Fuentes is no doubt an entertaining guy as well. It's a little bit more loose, a little bit more unscripted, a little bit more like shaking off the shackles sort of thing.

And I think people really like entertainment mixed with politics. Yeah. And those guys on the sort of boomers, neo-con Zionists, right? They are not very entertaining at all. Well, but what is entertaining is watching all of them fight. Yeah, that's super entertaining.

And so, as long as that's going to be the case, aren't you going to end up with my team, your team? It has to be. I don't see it, like, this is a very important issue for both sides, right? I don't see this resolving in any sort of amicable way anytime soon. Well, speaking of which, we had a very entertaining story next,

but we got away from it for a second. A Protestant pastor says that polygamy is biblical and that it was divinely ordained. I've been seeing this all over Twitter today. I don't know if you guys have noticed this at all. What a great story. This guy's not backing down from his claim that he can have multiple wives.

Rich Tidewell, a pastor in Canton, Missouri, has sparked an online debate about the acceptance of polygamy and Christianity and whether or not it is biblically justified. He says, I have two beautiful wives. to the expected amount of backlash. He recently made an announcement on his Instagram page that his second wife is expecting his eighth child. All right, this is kind of what I was saying earlier, even though obviously we disavowed.

This guy's not talking about real Christianity. There was a time when even the barbarians wanted children. He says, I have two beautiful wives. Tidewell wrote in a long entry, we are thrilled for what the Lord has done for our family. All right. So firstly, I don't know what his argument is, but I assume he's actually probably making some version of the argument that the left will often make when we talk about marriage and biblical morality, which is the Bible has polygamy in it.

Not everything that the Bible describes is something it's recommending that you do. In fact, a lot of what's described, it's from Trent Horn, a lot of what's described in the Bible is stuff you're not supposed to be doing. It's a cautionary tale. Or it's just descriptive.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's just, or it's just descriptive. Right. So to me, this is not all that shocking. It seems shocking because it exists in one direction, but for decades, we have been seeing people try to claim that the Bible doesn't actually say what it says about God's plan for marriage, about sexuality, et cetera.

You know, my particular perversion is permissible. I don't know. Who are we to judge? Right? We've been told for decades. Well, I mean, honestly, it's hard for me to care as much anymore. I used to hit this issue hard on polygyny with the multiple wives thing. And you're right, it's not biblical. And it's completely immoral. And it's totally unjustified. But didn't they just marry four guys? It's so sad. Yeah. They just married four guys.

Yeah. We have gay throuples. Yeah, they just married. They're just short of a restaurant. Yeah. Who did that? Where was that at? Do you remember?

Oh, it was somewhere in Europe, I think. Yeah. It wasn't here. Someone's probably going to sell them a baby. But the thing, the thing is, it's like, you know. Leftist logic can't ground any of this. So leftists can't really tell you that this is immoral. They can't.

Because if they make the claim that, well, three people getting married is immoral, right? We would just ask him, well, how would you ground that? They would just say the societal consequences are bad. It would be like, well, I could do that with homosexuality or any number of different things. So that makes no sense as an argument. Ultimately, this, right, you're going to see more of it under leftist rule because

they're going to have less and less way to combat it with any sort of ground. Like, how could they tell them no? Yes. They can't tell them no. If they go to them and say, look, how could this possibly be worse for society? than homosexual monkey pox, right? The argument back's going to be, well, I guess it's not. And you do you, bro, as long as you're not hurting anybody.

My dad called it monkey around pox. But why we need, you know, monogamy more than anything else is because we have an equal distribution of men to women. And you really want to make sure that the underclass is married and having children because otherwise they start killing people. In a big way, collectively, they start killing people because, One of the biggest accesses of resources for men isn't the money. And it isn't the sports car and it isn't the that.

It's sexual access. And what you get with a wife is sexual access. And that is part of the domestication of men, which allows a society to function. That's why monogamous societies do way better than polygamous societies do because of that sexual access. No, and it's true. And it's like to varying degrees of wholesomeness because you can have guys who say, I generally just want to have a family. And so they get married.

And then there are some guys who, they're just trying to have sex, but in a monogamous culture, that drive is oriented towards something productive instead of destructive. Which is producing. Children. Literally, literally. That's right.

I just want to make this point. George Gilder writes about this in his book, Men in Marriage, where he points out, and this is written in like the late 80s, early 90s, I believe, but he points out that literally in every society throughout all of history, the most dangerous people around have been unmarried young men. If you can create a population of perpetually unmarried young men, they're killers.

Now, here's the thing. For corporate America, those people make great consumers. And so it seems as if there's been this effort to keep men young and unmarried, but to kind of unicize them so that they're good producers and they're not scary. But that doesn't work. They're still going to be scary, man. But they're not like inherently killers. That's not, no, no, no, of course. What it is is, it's like, where, it's like, where do you go? You would go into the military. You would become mercenaries. And you would be way more willing to take high-risk things for high reward. Because that's where, like, the dopamine and hit comes, the fun. Again, there's no resource. sink, right? And so that's why... This isn't like men bad. This is just, realistically, men and women have different. Men benevolent, actually. But my point is, it's just to point this out, is like, the reason you want your young men married and producing families, and you don't want them sidelined with no sexual access, is because if you have like 20% of your population that's like that, you're going to have a serious problem on your hands where these people don't, they're not risk of verse. Why do you think it's so easy to recruit young Muslim men to terrorist cells?

Yeah. I was going to have, why do you think it was so easy to recruit? Terror cells. I think how easy it was to recruit mercenaries under the promise you'd carry off the enemy women, right? The idea here, the idea here was always the same. They were plunderer once upon a time. And so they, but ultimately, if you have 20%, 15% something like this, who are not risk averse and they are high testosterone and not ricovers. Oh, man. Yeah, but in terms of polygony, you look at the Arab cultures, for example, they've got a huge problem with this in the sense that a lot of the top status men get all of the wives, and then it creates this huge underclass of men. And you'll notice that all of the immigrants coming into Europe, there's not many women and children. It's all men. And what that is, is it's the underclass of men who have no access to women.

Trying to get it. I never even thought about that. So they're coming into these Western countries. And you imagine they're coming into Sweden, and they see a blonde hair, blue-eyed girl who's got a... wearing a short skirt, and to them, she's essentially a prostitute. Well, and we have been told through various court cases from judges in the EU that they just don't know any better. I mean, you look at the grooming gangs.

It was their culture. A lot of them are inbred. May not know better, honestly. Which is why you probably shouldn't bring them to your country. 65% of Pakistan. Yeah, 65% of Pakistan. That's outrageous. But like, yeah, you look at the grooming gangs over there, and they were essentially,

their excuse was that, well, you know, in our culture, this is a lot. These are essentially spoils of war here. And they're not Muslims, so they don't get treated the same as us. And that was their justification for it. So it's not like it was frowned upon or anything. And by the, this is stated openly, and when these people have to testify, they'll say things like this. It is not some kind of hidden secret. They openly acknowledge, yes, we do think that this is what white girls are for and white women are for.

This is not something somebody made up to make you feel a certain way. This is not the billionaire saying, the immigrant wants to take your cookie, like we've seen in that meme. This is from their mouths. mouths. These are words from their mouths. Yep. Their sex and relationships starved, destitute people coming from polygionist societies into Western countries. So,

when you think about the magnitude of it. And the women are single, right? Even if they're not, they don't care. Well, they're often using their child, like kind of their child-rearing years to go to college and university, right? Things like this. You don't have a man on their arm. There's nothing to fight the wolves off. And the fathers are told

you're a horrible patriarch if you want to protect your daughter. Yeah, it's a I mean, so it's a nightmare. He's making a great point. Like, these are good, solid reasons why monogamy it should be the, like, go-to for any Western society. Even if it was the case, we didn't believe in God and Christianity. It still should be.

Now, you and I would say the reason is, because you're still moving towards God and Christianity by doing that. But ultimately, from the secular perspective, just the outcome base, it should be that way. But because they have to justify the alternative degeneracy, They have to endorse this. Yeah. And that's what your society is going to look like.

Exactly. Nothing to defend. You were right at the beginning when you said it's because we've accepted this morally relative framework that even Christians, even Christians, especially, you know, well, not to, sorry Protestants, but you guys have this idea that everybody has their right to, you know, their individual interpretation. So you can't, that plus the moral relativistic framework, you can't tell this guy no. How are you going to tell him no?

And you're letting the Muslims in and they can do it. and you're letting the gay throuples adopt. Like, you can't tell this guy he can't do that. Just hypothetically, what would stop me from starting a church tomorrow gold like the church of rattlesnake? Nothing. Nothing. I mean, yeah, probably nothing.

What is it? What's the number of people you have to have before your tax exempt? I think it's only two or three. It's not many. And the thing is, is like, you may not, but you don't even need the 501.3C, right? Yeah, yeah. You can have, you can start the church of rattlesnake. It's a for-profit church.

Right? I mean. This is a historical pattern. How can Pete the other churches are your business model. Yeah, yeah. This is a historical pattern. If you look at pretty much all of the cults, like all of the heretical cults that have tried to spring out of Christianity,

it's always some guy who wants to take all the wives. Yeah. It's always some guy. It always ends up with, by the way, you have to share your wives with me. It's happened a lot according to, I mean, it's happened a ton of times, according to a lot of these people who claim that they're the return of all of them. They all end up, you know, they'll, and they usually start with a different message. They'll start with something that appeals to like people who are easily sucked into cult

mentalities. And then by the time you get 20, 30 people, they're like, and you all have to share your wife with me now. Well, every single, well, this is not just post, this is not just something that's existed in the Christian world. This has been the case. Literally with every cult throughout history. Like even Muhammad, everyone who's claimed to speak for God has basically said, guess what God told me I get to do? I'm special. This is a lot for me. My buddy Jay Dyer says that cult leaders,

it always just boils down to being able to touch butts. It just always boils down to touching butts. Your wife is mine now. Essentially, well, we've got another story. Speaking of the demonic, Tucker Carlson draws scorn for new details over a

demonic attack. And he said he's not embarrassed, which first of all, based I think it's, listen, you've got so many Christians, in so many people who say that Christianity is a good thing even if they don't consider themselves Christian, but then you actually start talking about Christian things and they go, oh, are you crazy? We believe in demons, actually. I mean, we believe that Satan convinced Adam and Eve to fall. Like, Christianity actually becomes incoherent as a faith if you don't

believe in the existence of demons. It doesn't make sense. And so the idea that people would laugh, it's in the Bible. Exactly. Political commentator Tucker Carlson has prompted renewed scorn after providing more details about a supernatural attack. He alleges alleged happened to him in his bed in February of 2023, months before Fox News fired him. During an extensive interview last Thursday with fellow former

Fox News host Megan Kelly, Carlson, suggested the attack was in response to a positive supernatural experience he had the day before during which he experienced love towards someone he hated. That's actually really interesting. Now, the thing is, regardless of whether you feel this happened or think this happened, I certainly don't doubt his sincerity. And

when we did America Fest at TPSA, I had the privilege of doing a podcast with him and a couple of other people, including Charlie Kirk, may he rest in peace. And Tucker mentioned this story on the podcast about how he was attacked by a demon. So, listen, I don't know why we would say that we need to promote Christian thought and be a Christian country and then laugh at a guy when he says something demonic happened to him. Because don't you think a demon would attack someone in Tucker Carlson's position if they're starting to spread truth and if they're like loving their enemies and doing good Christian things? The same people making fun of this are the people who have crystals and tarot cards and all kinds of other nonsense. And they're reading their horoscope and trying to figure out, you know, how do I know if this guy likes me? Let me read my horoscope. That's all occultism on the other end.

Well, let me fire back at you on this a little bit. Sure, sure. So the thing is, is like, as Christians, though, we should not be gullible. Agreed. And as Christians, though, we should not reject the scientific method. and as Christians we should not reject that science can help us come up with answers to the natural world and how it functions. And so the thing is, is like these categories, the spiritual categories, the categories that have no scientific explanation, like the demonic, I don't expect people who have a more secular nature, agnostic or atheist nature, to believe those things about Christianity, even as they benefit from the effects of Christianity, they don't have a problem with you believing those things. But if you're going to just immediately take Carlson as word for it, and maybe that's

fair that you should, okay, or shouldn't. Well, I don't doubt his sincerity. Yeah, I get it. You don't doubt the sincerity. But it's still rational and within the confines of rational thinking that even Christians could and would not that this actually happened. Now, absent documentation and things like this, and Catholics are the most skeptical of all. an exorcist would investigate this before going into it.

Yeah, they have supernatural investigators to look for the miraculous just as much as they do the demonic. That's right. So it's like, look, I don't know if it happened or not. Not for me to say, I have no clue. You have no clue, right? I don't think it's not rational for people to be skeptical of it, even if they're Christians. That's all I'm saying.

I don't think, listen, I don't think that there's anything wrong with being skeptical of it at all. We had Father Ripperger on this past Friday, and he's a fantastic priest. He's an exorcist. and one of the things he talked about was the fact that the vast majority of cases when someone thinks there's demonic activity, there isn't, it's either something else

or some kind of mental health. Almost always. Almost always. That said, I was, I mean, Tucker Carlson, and I don't know him very well, I've only met him once, but just on the podcast with him, he told the story.

Well, he definitely believes it. Yeah, he definitely believes it. I have no reason to disbelieve it, but you're right that it's not reasonable, it's reasonable to be skeptical, especially about a person making a large supernatural claim. Yeah. I don't doubt it.

I believe it, but I'm not saying people have to believe it or they're bad Christians or something like that. Because again, even in these matters, you do have an investigation before an exorcist comes in. It just drives me crazy when people dismiss it out of hand and go, this guy's crazy and this is silly. And this belief in demons is ridiculous. Now, that's also rational and reasonable. See, like, it has to go on the other end too. So to your point, it's also rational and reasonable to be like, hey, what's, you know, we'll investigate it a little bit. Exactly.

We'll have someone coming in and take a look at it. or something like this, that's also reasonable and rational on the Christian end to do. So if they're skeptical that there was a legitimate demonic attack on Tucker Carlson, I think that's rational. Yeah. And I think it's rational on the other end to say there could be. And so it's worth investigating. But you know, it's interesting is like you'd find a lot more alignment with secularists

with that view, because wouldn't they say the same thing? Well, I'm kind of, I'm curious about this too, because he's mentioned this before. and he hasn't really said anything else like this. And he says, I'm not embarrassed and I don't care if I'm mocked. This is part of why I find it so fascinating because I think most people, even if they feel they've experienced something supernatural or have or even just believe they have, they're not going to want to talk about it in public. That's also part of why I don't want to dismiss him because I think there's something bold

about it that I do appreciate. Yeah, sure. It draws attention to it. Yeah. And if it happened, like if something like that happened to me, I don't. don't know that I would be brave enough to go on a podcast and talk about it. I might be concerned, well, people are going to mock me and I'm going to make the faith look superstitious or something. Most of this type of stuff, when I read about Catholic exorcism or Orthodox exorcists

and things like that, Catholics have a much, much more well-documented, more public kind of face when it comes to exorcism. They're like rock stars because of the movie The Exorcist. Got it all out. But obsession is the most. common, right? Demonic obsession. And, you know, demonic possession is the least likely. And it's extremely rare. But physical demonic attacks are even more rare yet, unless possessions involved. And that would maybe throw a red flag to, well, we can be a little bit skeptical here. This wasn't just the idea if I woke up with sleep paralysis and saw a demon or something like this. But rather, he's saying there was a physical attack where claw marks raked him and there was blood.

blood left. That's wild. Now that... I forgot about that. Yeah, now that does bring like another dimension. Now we're in the physical, the material, outside of the spiritual. So I don't think it's unreasonable for people to be skeptical. If Tucker Carlson never watches, it's not

an attack on him. It could very well be possible. I'm just pointing out it's rational to be skeptical. Yeah, I also think it's interesting because he says this, culturally, I'm not from a world where people are attacked by demons. Carlson told you, which most of us aren't. He seems to come from a very waspy background where they don't really talk that much about

the demonic or other such types of things. So I just find the whole thing fascinating. I think you're right. What's described is extraordinary. So it is fair for people to have some skepticism. Obviously, as mentioned, I lean towards thinking there's really something here. But ultimately. But if you do have experiences with it.

Like I've had experiences with what I would have called ghosts back in the day, but now I would call it more demonic. And, you know, when it does happen to you, I feel as though it's just, like, you can't explain it really. Like, when I've had, I've had an experience with it, not, not like, in the physical or anything, but just, um, having a haunted house that I was in, that nothing made sense, doors slamming open and close when I was in there. The tap was turning on by itself, just like, things that were just totally unexplainable by any sort of of physics. So I'm like, like, I don't know. Like, I don't know how to, how to just sort of wave that away. And I don't think you should.

Yeah. And that's not the point. Just only, my point is only that when somebody makes a claim like this, because there's so much, and I, I think we would agree on this, too, there's a lot of grifting on the Christian side. Oh, dude, yeah, for sure. Okay, it's huge. And it's a huge problem on the OF side

and everything else. I'm not, again, not claiming Carlson's doing that at all. Yeah. I think that he's being sincere about his experience. But just if people and instantly are very skeptical of something like that, because it's such a big claim, I just think that that's reasonable. I get it. I think that's fair. Well,

listen, Tucker even said culturally, he's not from a world where that happened. So maybe if before this experience happened, someone else said the same thing, he'd also be skeptical of it. Who knows? One of the most interesting books I've ever read was the one that you gave me, Rach. It was orthodoxy in the religion of the future. Yeah. And it was so interesting how they were talking about

about UFOs and how all of these like alien shows have been sort of programming us for UFOs, but really they've always existed. And they're sort of demonic forces. So this is really funny. This, this perfectly segues into a shameless plug because the pilot episode we did for our cartoon is about the ET phenomenon and the way it's used to try to promote nihilism, basically. So if you guys go to twisted plots.com, we have a special promotion. Any amount, you donate at any amount, you will get to watch the pilot as a thank you.

We've only got three days left. You got to help us get funded to defeat Hollywood's Monopoly on Entertainment. Now, we are going to jump over to Super Chats. Oh, do we need a couple minutes or what's going on. Sorry. Yeah, we are going to pop over here. We got some super chats and we also have some Rumble rants that we are going to read. Do you mind if we give a real quick shameless plug? Yeah, so by the way, you can, but also we will do plugs after we're done with super chats as well. But if you want to say it now, go ahead. I was just going to say debate con this weekend. We're all debating there. I think if anybody's anywhere near Nashville, it's going to be awesome. We've got a big after party happening as well. And it's just going to be an absolute killer weekend.

Yeah, it's going to be a killer weekend. Modern day debate. I'm debating, Andrew's debating, Rachel's debating, it's going to be awesome. Were you guys debating? And I'm debating. Andrew is actually headlining with two debates. He's going to be debating Daniel Hakikikidu on Islam and Christianity, right? And then Dr. Richard Carrier on secularism? Well, it's Islam versus Christianity, which is better for society.

Same thing, secular humanism versus Christianity, which is better for society. So both of those are big claims for. from each side and this is a huge fight of our time, obviously. So tune in or if you can get tickets. Strongly suggest that you show up. You have debates going all day. You have access to many of the people you've always wanted to meet. Huge party that anybody who gets a ticket is welcome to come to.

Free booze. I took care of all the booze. I took care of all the food. I rented out the whole top area of a bar to make sure every ticket holder could go and have some drinks and have dinner and enjoy themselves. And the Crucible did this on our dime for them. You, hold on, you did an open bar for everybody. Everybody who bought a ticket to a bake-con, including people.

That's a big selling point. That's a lot. Including people who are not fans of the Crucible. If you got a ticket to debate con and you're lefty, come eat and drink with us. And you'll find out that we're way too base and you'll have to become one of us. But the point is, is you've got to come do it. Open bar. Maybe I'll find myself in Nashville.

I don't know. crazy. Also, don't miss me debating a male feminist live in person. What's the topic? Feminism, I assume? Okay, that's awesome. So we have from Shane H. Wilder, thank you so much, Shane. He says, as the son of a vet, I just wanted to wish the veterans out there a happy

Veterans Day. Thank you for your service and sacrifice, God bless y'all. Yeah, absolutely. Happy Veterans Day to all the veterans out there. Oh, my gosh. We got more great super chats. We kept getting these yesterday. I was super, super pumped about this.

Label 777 says my wife gave birth to our baby girl yesterday at 11.15 a.m. I know I'm a day late, but never late than ever. All right, so here, this is really funny. Yesterday we were getting all these super chats from people. My wife had a baby. My wife had a baby. My wife had a baby. I'm so excited. And then I'm reading the comments after the show and someone says, did nobody catch that it's nine months after Valentine's Day? I was like, all right, I guess that makes sense.

But I thought that was very cute. A lot of new babies out here. We love that. Absolutely. We're all a bunch of pronatalists here. Absolutely. Blue Psycho says Andrew loved your debate with that Charlie feminist on whatever. I really wish she wasn't a specific kind of feminist. I cannot read that last part.

Why would you highlight that? I can't read that on air. You can't read that on air. You want me to read it or? No, no, no. You don't want to read it either. Can I at least tell the super chatter, thank you for the super chat and for the support. Thank you for the support.

I really appreciate it. Yeah. So here's what else we have. didn't the oh so this is from Devin Grims didn't the elite introduce racial grievance during the Occupy Wall Street protest I don't think that's when it was introduced

but we got a lot of it there I think it started to become I think that stuff really started to become more mainstream with the Trayvon Martin case to me that was really the watershed moment it did but the the seeds were planted by Herbert Mark Hughes Herbert Mark Hughes had a book called

what was a one-dimensional man And in it, he said that the problem, this is in the 50s, he said, and this is after people realize that capitalism actually delivers for people, especially for the working classes. He said, look, capitalism delivers the goods. And he said, you're not going to find the revolutionary energy in the working class because capitalism provides for people. So to find the revolutionary energy, you're going to have to go to the ghettos. And essentially, he was bringing the case for what we call today race communism. Right. So it's not the oppression of the classes.

It's the oppression based on race nowadays. Well, and do you remember when OWS was like a right-wing libertarian thing and the lefties hijacked it? Wait, what's OWS? Occupy Wall Street. That actually started as a right-wing libertarian thing that Alex Jones was all over and stuff. And then the leftist hijacked it. Your shift went down to Occupy Wall Street. There's this famous video of him talking on the streets.

He's like, look, come talk to me. I'm the 1%. And I'll explain to you why things are the way that they are. And he made great arguments. And I assume that he did some convincing of people. But like you said, Andrew, it was totally hijacked by the left. Totally hijacked. They hijacked it from the top down.

You and I were just dating and watching that kind of unfold together, I think, back then, weren't we? Yeah, watching Tim Poole get smacked with bean bags. That's actually why he's sick today. I got hit with another beanbag. Beanbag right to the beanie, bro. It was awful. We have from Keel.

They said, Andrew, congrats on the launch of World War. Can't wait to see its success. Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. I haven't been able to hit it with the... Oh, I'm sorry, word war. What's wrong with me, dude? Word, yeah.

Apparently, words are waging war on me because I can't say them. Word war. I haven't had time to get behind the kind of promo you'll see shortly, because I was traveling today. But it's a huge project. We've been working on it for a long time with a great team, including Sam Tripley. You guys have had him here, I believe. Yep.

Sam's great. Good guy, real smart guy, real funny guy. Hilaria. And we have a good team together. And when they approach me, I couldn't wait to be part of the project. So thank you. Awesome. And the same person also said,

Seamus would love if you could stop into chronic golf on Hilton Head sometime. We sell yours and every bag of Casper. Wonderful. Awesome. Well, thank you for doing that. I'm going to jump over to Rumble for some Rumble for some Rumble rats. They're all going to be bad. They're all going to be TOS.

Rum Tods. They're just torturing him on purpose. I disavow. I disagree with that one. That one's just, I'm not saying that out loud. So Token Maga said, and I've seen prominent right-winger's defending Islam on X lately. I feel like there's been a little bit of that. There's too many people that have such a problem with.

Israel and Jewish people that they think that it's a good idea to align with Islam. Right. Because Islam has a problem with Jews. Andrew and I argue this all the time on X. Because they'll be like, you've got to pick a team. And we're like, how about neither one? Yeah. No, neither team.

And well, the thing is too is like, I do understand the logic. The logic is, oh, you're willing to attack Islam because it's safe, but you're not willing to attack Judaism because that's not safe politically, right? So I understand that logic. and that logic does make sense. Sure. But that's why my logic is, fuck both. Right?

Like, I'm not interested in either the idea of Zionism or the idea of Islamic values. I don't want either of them coexisting with Christian values, that the idea is that we're beholden to either value structure. I think is absurd. Christian ethics should be the order of the day. One of the arguments that I hear that drives me nuts is when they say, well, you know, in Islam, they think that Jesus, They love Jesus and blah blah. And it's like, look, man, that is a, if you ever want to see. Yes, line.

If you ever want to see, this is why I've never accepted the Christ is king, right? When they say, hey, Christ is king. No, Christ is God. And the reason I make the differential of Christ is God so that Muslims can't participate. You can't participate in our celebration because they would get behind it and say, you're right. Christ is king? And I'd be like, well, is he God, though? No.

Well, then you can't participate in myself. I'm sorry. You're not allowed over here. Look, I'm not, I'm an agnostic. So to even kind of touch on this is probably a little offensive to some people, but you'll get over it. Like, if you're going to go by Christian theology, Christ being God is the foundation of Christianity. So you can't say Christ is king and be like, look at me, I'm a good Christian. No, Christ is God. The foundation. aim to earth. Christ is God incarnate as man on earth. And so the idea that, well, Christ is king, that's not enough. We can believe both. You're right, it's not enough. But yeah, I think that's what you're saying is you believe both. But more importantly, he's God. Well, and I'm also, and I'm also purposely being exclusionary to people who are, what they're doing is they're doing infiltration. Yes. In order to be perverse. And I'm literally excluding them on purpose by demonstrating and showcasing, know our value structures,

the same, read John 1-1. Because even in Islam, they don't say that Muhammad is God. Muhammad is the last prophet and he's, you know, he's held in a steam above them all. Christians believe that Christ was the last prophet. Yeah, but they also believe that Christ was

God. So, and like I said, me even trying to like articulate this around you guys, I feel a little bit like I'm like stepping out of my brain. No, that's fine. Theology is vastly complicated, dude. I also think that you all agree with me. I'm like, I got to be careful here. But speaking of theology and Christian values,

speaking of theology and Christian values, we got a challenger, K.L. Tanker 420 says, I've always wondered why Christians think they own marriage. If gay people can't marry, because marriage is a religious ceremony with God. Using that logic should all non-Christians not be allowed to marry. The problem is you don't understand the Christian perspective on marriage with all due respect.

And by the way, thank you for your chat and for being a fan, but this is the straw man argument that's used by the left. The right wants to turn marriage into a religious institution. What we believe is Catholics, and I assume the Orthodox believe something similar, but what we believe is that marriage pre-existed the church. So the church has no power to define it or redefine it. So when we say marriage is between a man and a woman,

we are respecting an institution that existed before the church. That church does not have the power to change. And also, you just don't even need to recognize secular marriage, honestly. It's not particularly important. Like, the idea here is just this. Why do you need the state involved in your secular marriage? Why is that necessary? They say, well, for tax benefits and things like this,

like, well, that's kind of stupid. Then just go ahead and change the tax code a little bit. It's only some minor tweaking there. What is actually the point of you as a secularist getting a state marriage license? Why can't you just make the declaration, I'm married, and then you are? Why can't you just do that as a securistine marriage? I don't even understand why you can't, right? You could.

So the thing is for us, it's sacramental. And since it's sacramental, we don't get to just. we don't get to just walk away, right? That's not how it works. That's right. But secularists can. They can declare and then undeclare. And so if that's the case, what is the purpose of bringing the state in at all unless it's

for the purpose of reproduction and for normalizing families? And then if that's the case, can homosexuals do either of those things? No. Well, also, there's one more important thing, which is we need to recognize secular marriages so that when the Christian right becomes ascendant, we can punish them when they commit adultery. Because if you're not married, we can't. but we can't punish you for creating adultery. There you go.

R.N. Ricky Bobby says, Seamus, you had seven birth announcements in Super Chats yesterday. He skipped mine. I'm sorry about that. I mean, I know I haven't tithed any spoons lately, but come on, man. Replacement rate achieved, got to count for something. Absolutely, dude, I didn't know about that.

I don't know why are coming at me about spoons because you know I would never do that. But congratulations on the baby. We're very happy for you. Absolutely. Good for them. God bless them. This is funny.

I mean, this is, so there's two right here I want to read. Chris S said we were told to social distancing, to social distance, but rioting was okay. Yeah, I mean, I remember. That's the minute I knew. That's when it blew it out for everybody. Because I remember at first, I was cautious. I remember thinking maybe this is something,

maybe this is real. And then all those doctors signed out of that notice saying, well, the police going around killing unarmed black men is enough of a public health crisis that it warrants us. I was regarding COVID. I went this, all right, it was all a nonsense. Not only that, they literally said that BLM riots don't spread it.

That's right, they did. But that right wing protests against lockdowns do. And I was like, well, we're safe. And that January 6 did. We were on the fence at first as well, like most of the American public because we had very little information. It did line up with a historic standard. It's 100 years.

Time for a plague. Yeah. Right? We get them about every 100 years. I thought the same thing. Yeah, it made sense. And so we're going to take a wait and see approach. It is possible that, you know, two weeks of social distancing might be necessary.

because maybe this thing is really deadly. You know, maybe it's going to take out 5, 10% of the population of Earth. Like this could be a real problem that we just don't understand yet. And then the second that happened, I remember my wife, because we were already at that point, we were like already very skeptical. The second that happened, I remember she looked at me and she was like, no more mass. This is all bullshit. That's right.

It's so funny because my insane trad Catholic friends, basically all of them, from the get we're like, it's not real. I was like, no, guys, we got to, like, be a little more cautious than that. This could be bad. And then, of course, when that happened with the letter, all the doctor signed, I went, okay, it's nonsense. But then, yeah, on top of that, not only did I realize that was all nonsense, I went, oh, like, I don't think I will ever trust them ever again about anything.

Like, next thing, which is actually really dangerous, because now if there is a very serious plague, people are going to put it in the same category. You know, but maybe it's the case that good. Like, even if it was, let's say, a very serious plague that, was five or 10 percent, right, or immortality or something like that. You know, maybe the lockdowns, after seeing the ramifications of all the mental health that happened because of those, the massive distrust, things like that. And it didn't seem like the lockdowns themselves did much to really curtail COVID spreading

anyway. So maybe it would be good that people just distrusted them and just went about their daily life anyway until it ran its course. Maybe that really is the best thing to do. I'm just going to start licking handrails, get that in the community. Just go lick the toilet seat. germ-maxing as the kids say. Will Matrix said,

the purpose of liberty is to pursue virtue, but the left has perverted it to pursue vice. Vices enslaving, it won't liberate you, but virtue will. Amen. I could have said it better myself. We've turned freedom into a political buzzword. We think of it as a concept related to government. I mean, it is to some degree, but more refers to an internal state.

Are you actually free? And do you have, not only are you free, like, do you have the capacity for freedom? Of course all people have the capacity for freedom. No, not all people have capacity. If you are entrenched in vice, you just don't have the capacity for freedom. Yeah. You've got to build it up.

Jocko, the guy that does that podcast, he makes the argument, and I think that it's a very compelling argument. Discipline is the path to freedom. Yes. If you are beholden to vices, if you are constantly being jerked one way or another, and this is something that the Stoics used to talk about, too. If you're constantly being jerked in one way or another by your emotions, by your emotional reaction, you're not free. you're a slave to your or by your addictions yeah exactly 100%

and you know like people forget with addiction we're not just talking about drugs guitar can become an addiction video games can become an addiction anything can become an addiction which takes you away from the pathway of what you're talking about

discipline totally totally and the idea of well and he's making the idea of Catholic virtues like Aristotelian Catholic virtues but we have a similar device methodology and orthodoxy as well. But both cases do rely on discipline. Exactly.

That's why we have feasting and fasting. Amen, yeah. It's to teach you how to regulate that. That's what feasting and fasting is for, right? It's to say, hey, you're going to give up something for these three months so that you can remember that you don't need it. Yeah, exactly. And also, if you're capable of denying yourself a legitimate good, then it becomes

easier to deny illegitimate things that you actually shouldn't be doing. You do build that moral character. Tiffinil says, Seamus believes in purity tests. the right. Can you believe that? A nice guy like me? What? Excluding conservative, moral, atheist, Buddhists, and others, when 75 million voted for Kamala, you can't exclude 20% of the right, you go back to losing. Bad. Well, here's the thing. And I've said this. It just seems as if no matter how many times I articulate this as clearly as possible, I'm still misunderstood here, but I will say it one more time. I do not believe the right should

change its policies to accommodate any of the people fleeing from the left. That does not mean I'm saying that we should push those people out. If they want to run from the left to come to the right, they cannot turn us into a slightly less bad version of the left. Isn't that paradoxical anyway? Isn't he excluding you? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I can't have my pro-life values.

Exactly. So isn't the great paradox here that he's gatekeeping? This is the great replacement of conservatism. Like, let me tell you what being conservative means you need to leave. You're the new conservatives. In the great paradox here is simple. It's like, hey, you're gatekeeping. That's not what the right is.

It's like, hey, what? What? What? That makes no sense. All right. The Yeti 9-0 says, Andrew, I'm Muslim. Once Christian, born and raised in America. Okay, hang on.

Hang on. Stop there. Yeah, yeah. We can reach this person. That's funny response. No, I am curious to see the rest because I want to see. I've told men of all faiths for you. years to marry without the state and use a pre-up, why is CGA against it because of kids are

cohabitating? Do you not even want to answer that because he mentioned he left the faith? I'm curious if you... I think he's referencing a previous debate, but I don't actually understand the end of the question because under my view, you would still have more protections with kids than under his view, and he has no protections for him. So that's just that the guy's entire position was incoherent. It made no sense at all. Because he didn't have a position. That's why. Anyway, he has to be a ginger too, by the way,

because I feel like the only people that convert from Christianity and become Muslim are always ginger. I saw a stat that there was like upwards of 50% of English guys who have converted to Islam a ginger. So I'm right?

That's crazy. Every time I see the people have no way. Have you ever seen four lions? No. Oh, there's this scene. There's this, like, it's about a group of Muslims

in a terror cell, basically. It's like this British comedy, but one of them is a white ginger guy, basically. That does seem to be a stereotype. I don't know. Every time I see videos of these white English guys who are just there saying, yeah, my name is Mohamed. Is it like, are you sure? Did you pick that one? Did your parents pick that for you?

Why do they adopt the accent, too? That's weird. It's crazy. It's like, no, it's true. It's like they're ordering Mexican food. They can't still be, they can't still be, they can't still be Kyle. Prophet Mohammed. Yeah, yeah.

can't run in and be like, yo, bro, let me tell you by Muhammad, brother. I'm not like, they can't do that. It can't be like the youth pastor version of... Don't you have to learn Arabic to be Muslim? That doesn't give you an accent when you're speaking in English that you learn Arabic. And most people that read the Quran don't speak Arabic anyways. It's one of those things that drove me crazy. I remember when I was in college.

It's like when Barack says Pakistan. It always pissed me off. It always pissed me off. He never said... I was like, dude, just say Pakistan. He'd go Pakistan. When I was in college, I mentioned Muslims. And this girl I knew, who was not Muslim?

She said, it's Muslim. It's Muslim. She's like trying to get me to say it. And I was like, this is ridiculous. No, because I say things in my American accent and not in someone else's accent. When you talk about Ireland, you don't have to say, Ireland. No one expects you. Yeah, you don't have to mention.

There was this reporter. This is the Irish supremacy side of the table. There was a reporter who made a job. a quip about that recently, too. He's like, people don't say my name as like, Oh, Johnny, or whatever it was. I don't know why people, it's just a way to demonstrate how I get discriminated against all the time like this. You know, Australians, we say no. That's because the country's fake. Instead of no. Fake country. And I get, I get told that my country's fake. I get told that we're a prison.

We are a prison. Come on, it's not real. Like, don't we believe some kangaroos and quallas, dude, give me a break. I mean, that part, well, hold on. It's fake. It's not true. There's some, like, spiritual truth to us. You don't have to worry about them. The ones you do have to worry about is the drop bears. That's the only thing. Snakes are pretty dangerous, but drop bears are the ones in Australia that are the most dangerous animals, but otherwise you're pretty sweet.

So do you have trouble getting, do you ever go back to Australia? Are you, are you? He lives there. Okay, so how often do you come to the States? I'm here for a two-week tour at the moment with Nicol-Hard. Okay. Yeah, I come back every few months. Yeah.

I'll be coming back for the next word war event. like, he, like, hangs out with me and stuff, and I don't know why. He's just, Australian. Well, I mean, I mean, do we just loathe each other? But for some reason, it's like, it just works. It's like, oh, this is great. Yeah, just wake up at the morning, he's just going to punch him straight away. Yeah, hanging out with them is basically just like one of them on this side, one of the,

you're gay, no, you're gay, you're gay, you're gay. That's crazy. So you came to the United States as an immigrant and a xenophobe was homophobic against you. Exactly right. It's horrible. It's horrible. The persecution of your subject. Why think he hates me so much?

American hillbillies are not escaping the child. Do you find difficulty being in the United States as a foreigner? Do you think, like, in Trump's America, it's inhospitable to you? I don't know if we should save this for the Rumble stream. Yeah, let's see this to the Rumble stream. All righty. All right. If you have to ask, the answer is yes.

Dalimar says to Rachel, on what page of having it all is the quote saying, those demon yuppies can't have a family also. need this for IRL trolling of family at Thanksgiving handing out highlighted copies to prove they were lied to Wow Of my handing out highlighted

Is that a book? I inferred that you wrote a book called having it all from this No I think that's a So that would be like the opposite of my book That's like a feminist book where You can have a career and be like a working mom And do it all and have it all And you really can't

First of all you can't do that Unless you're like rich and you can hire somebody else to do all the things you can't do when you're a stay-at-work mom. By the way, stay-at-home moms, don't stop calling yourself stay-at-home moms.

We're just moms. The other women are stay-at-work mom. I like it. But I hope that he is highlighting my book and passing it out at Thanksgiving. Occult feminism, one of the great books. Good for feminist debate, race. Allie Best-Stucky debate, when?

Oh, I wish. She has me blocked on everything. Can we call it out now, though, Rich? Allie-Bestuckie. Yes, I would love to debate her. Yes. I would love to debate. On word war debate.

On word war debate. Ali Stucky v. Rachel Wilson, clip it up. Yes. Let's get it going. We need to see it. It's a debate we all want to see. We have Lewis. I got you.

Sorry, we have Lewis FML1 says, what is keeping MAGA from protesting across America like the left? Like the left, probably the law. We have jobs. Probably the law. Yeah, but also like probably, their tactics, the law. That's what's stopping us. But from protesting across America, again, yeah, also the jobs thing.

People having to go over. Well, these people have families. They have families. And your bills come regardless of what the political situation is. And so, like, you can't get away from the fact that when people are off work at five o'clock, the protest is over. Yeah, the only time we've had a big right-wing protest was when they told us all we couldn't open our businesses and go to work. Yeah. So then we all protested.

We have from Jake who said it was three gay men who adopted a baby in Canada. Is that true? Did this happen? Yeah, recently. Disgusting. It like just the Christian right is undefeated in its predictions. The hypotheticals that you pose are becoming true. Yeah, Andrew used to use that as a debate hypothetical.

So it's okay for three gay guys to adopt a baby. He used to use that as like a wild. I'm looking at you, Brad Palumbo. Looking at you, Brad Palumbo. When you said, what are we even talking about? That's not ever going to. Look at you, Brad. And this is a pretty consistent issue where if you're on the right and you make any kind of joke

or you try to make some kind of exaggeration to point out how ridiculous the left-wing position is a liberal position as it comes true. This is something that's happened with my cartoons multiple times. There was a tune we did nine years ago making fun to occupy Walshred after became a lefty movement. And the entire bit was that you had, we had like these little cartoon millionaires

protesting cartoon billionaires for being richer than them. The joke was it was a commentary on like white, upper middle class Westerners protesting the people who happen, who were like immensely wealthy in a global scale protesting those richer. now we literally do have millionaires who protest billioners. That's an actual thing. That's an actual thing.

And it happens all the time. They have too much. They have too much. Come on. Yeah, exactly. They've got too much. It's so frustrating. So thinker for life says NPCs are actually reprobate mind.

Cure it with scripture. Let it serve as proof. Can't see in my mind before scripture, but can after. Interesting. So I think this person is saying they kind of understand the past. that these people were on, they read the Bible more. But also, part of the reason that happened is because God called you to read it before you ever picked it up. So a huge important part of this is for people to pray for the NPCs in your lives.

I don't believe that it's, I don't believe that you can just read scripture, at least most of the time, and bring anybody to your side. I think that in order to replace a worldview, you have to destroy the worldview. Yeah. So I'm sure that there's been instances where somebody has read to some scripture to an NPC and converted them. but I think that it's actually much better to destroy the current worldview they have

break that down, show them how it's wrong in order to then demonstrate how yours is right. And I've always thought that that was kind of missing often in apologetics where the be nice aspect takes over the logical aspect. Yeah, I think there's a lot of truth in that. Also, part of the reason it's taught the way that it is is because it's just impossible to teach everyone

in an apologetics course all the different worldviews they'll have to dismantle, but at the very least, they should be talking about atheistic liberalism because it's almost always some variety of that. Who are you preaching to if you're not running into all of them? Yeah. Amen. Amen. All right. Well, this has been an awesome show. We're going to wrap out before we go to the members-only section over on rumble.com. But first, we're going to let everybody plug everything that they're doing and let us know and let you guys know where they can be found. All right. Well, please come to Nashville this weekend. If you can make it and watch me debate

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