Timcast IRL - Dr. Fauci FACING PRISON Over REFUSING To Testify Before Congress w/ Larry Ward

Episode Date: July 30, 2026

On this episode Tim & the crew are joined by Larry Ward to discuss Dr. Fauci refusing to answer questions & pleading the 5th at a congressional hearing Harvey of TMZ almost crying over the Fauci hearing because it was "heartbreaking" How America peaked in the 1990s Hosts:  Tim @Timcast (everywhere) | https://www.shoutout.fans/timpool Phil @PhilThatRemains (X) | https://allthatremains.komi.io/ Ian  @IanCrossland  (everywhere) Producer: Carter @carterbanks (X) |  @trashhouserecords  (YT) Guest:  Larry Ward @ThatLarryWard (X)

Dr. Anthony Fauci pleaded the fifth. He invoked the Fifth Amendment, I believe 115 times in the congressional hearings today. He didn't answer a single question. Even when he was asked, what day is it? He said that he was taking the advice of counsel to invoke his Fifth Amendment right not to testify. Now, here's why it's interesting. Dr. Anthony Fauci has blanket immunity over the past 11 years granted by a pardon, which typically means you cannot invoke the fifth. Why? You can't incriminate yourself. You've already got immunity. Typically, when someone has granted immunity, they were compelled to testify.

Now, the real reason that Dr. Fauci invoked the fifth was to prevent future crimes, or literally at that moment, to prevent himself from committing an active crime, which would be perjury. The only issue is, the implication there is that Fauci was going to lie, no matter what he was asked. This is the problem. Now, Rand Paul has said, he is going to go straight to contempt charges. bypassing Congress because Fauci was compelled to testify and does not have a Fifth Amendment right in this capacity. Danzric, it's real funny.

That guy over at TMZ basically started crying because Anthony Fauci was facing a congressional hearing. That's it. Listen, this dude, Harvey, what's his face from TMZ, was like, it's just so sad that he has to invoke the fifth. He doesn't. He could literally just tell the truth. He has immunity. I'm going to stress this again. Biden pardoned Fauci spanning 11 years. Fouchi can't go to jail for

anything he would say unless he lied. Here's the fun part. Because of documents that have since been released, including private emails, as well as Fauci's diary, he'd have to admit to a lot of really evil things like knowing the origin of COVID in January of 2020 and then lying to the public about it. He could just admit it. That's right. His choices were to lie and destroy his legacy. People like Harvey cry for him or, I'm sorry, tell the truth, which would destroy his legacy, or lie and go to prison. So we're going to talk about that, plus a bunch of other big news.

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Thanks for having me. Who are you? What do you do? Larry Ward. I'm the chairman of Constitutional Ice Pack, president of Market Rhythm, Inc. We deliver your emails. Wow, wonderful. It would be great to talk to you about everything that's going on.

So, thanks for joining us. We got Ian hanging out. What's up, Migo? Good to be here, buddy. Phil. What's up, everybody? I'm Phil. I'm asking for all the remains.

What's up Carter? What's up, everyone? We've got new chairs. They're very comfortable, so I'm looking forward to seeing. Here, look at these armrests. Yeah, big. No, no diss to the other company or anything like that. They lasted us a very long time, and they were wonderful.

But we got these ones because we needed new ones, and they got really nice armrests. You're going to show every night. Where's out the chairs? Yeah, they were falling apart. It was, you know, it was really crazy about those chairs is my right arm was worn down, but the seat itself was totally fine. And then all the other seats were worn down, which is just like, it's weird because I sit in mine more than literally anybody else. That's true. Do you have a pillow? Do you use a pillow when you sit?

The front edges are frayed on all the chairs except this one. Too many fidgeters. I don't think I ever had the front edges on mine. I wonder if they swapped in a fresh one at some point for you. They did not. There's an extra one's floating around. The bolts were popping out. The arm was disintegrating.

The cushioning was gone. Let's get into the news. stop talking about shares. Here we go from the Washington Post. Rand Paul threatens to hold Fauci in contempt after he declines to answer questions. Actually, it's a little bit more than that. We've got this. Nick Sorter tweeted it.

Senator Rand Paul says he's working on a plan to bypass Senate Democrats going directly to the DOJ to lock him up. I myself have individually referred him in the past for prosecution. I sent two letters saying that he destroyed records and he lied to Congress, both felonies. I sent that to the Biden DOJ. It wasn't acted upon. I've also sent it to the Trump DOJ twice. I've sent information and evidence saying it did so. So I think there's a possibility that we don't go to this whole Senate floor,

but that the committee passes it and we go directly to the Department of Justice. I myself would be very interesting. Now I'm going to make a bold prediction here, a bold prediction. Nothing will happen. We've got this. This is from Congress.gov. This is entered into the congressional record. record, an article from Newsweek, Fauci was untruthful to Congress about Wuhan lab.

Research and new documents appear to show. Yeah, we actually know for a fact now, especially with the released diary pages or whatever they're releasing, that Fauci knew full well that this originated from a lab did not come from a wet market. Yet for a year and a half to two years or more, he was consistently saying it was from the wet market. Fauci knew full well. Now, this is crazy. RFK Jr. has accused him of actually getting a vaccine side effect, a pulmonary infarction, which is a blood clot in the lung, and then lying about it.

I'm going to go ahead and stress this while we're here. And the reason why I believe that Dr. Fauci needs to go to prison is not just based on contempt charges, but based on a couple of articles that we can now bring up in sight because YouTube is a bunch of psychopaths that would censor us. But I'll do my best by saying, censor me for showing Stanford.edu use in Sensorius psychopaths. Stanford published that the vaccine was causing myocarditis at extremely high rates. This is a common side effect. They say for reasons that aren't clear, incidents peaks among male vaccinies age 13 or below at 1 in 16,750 vaccinies.

This is common. One in 16,000 is a common side effect when they gave out hundreds of millions. What do they get about? Tens of millions? How many of these things they give out a billion or more? Yeah, I think. I mean, and that's just like one shot. I think they gave multiple rounds to multiple people.

Here's my favorite. This is from nature.com, a peer reviewed published article that says if the MRNA vaccine got into your liver, if it left the injection site, which it did, it would make you more susceptible to getting COVID. Dr. Fauci lied about everything. He claimed he wasn't behind lockdowns. Well, behind the scenes, he was advocating for lockdowns. This guy is a lunatic.

You know, it's really crazy. Did you guys hear this? He apparently wrote in his diary that I think Barbara Streisand had like ass sores. Oh, my God. You see that? No. No. I got another context, though.

And they were like, yo, like, why? She called him because she needed medical advice on her shingles. And he apparently wrote down in his diary, which was like a public record, that she had, she had sores on her ass. Okay. Yeah. Every day I find out new information that I never. ever wanted. That's the Streisand effect.

Sometimes you just want to bury that shit. Yeah, I was on the five. What is this? I want to pull this up. Fauci Diary, Streisand's butt privacy scandal is funny. Did you know Barbara Streisand? Okay, I'm just going to play this. Wait, where did it go?

Oh, did they get rid of it? No, come on, come on. What is this? The Five FNC. Okay, this is the official channel. Let's play it. on a government server. He thought to include intimate medical details on a government server.

She had sores on her butt. And he includes that because you know what? It's going to be great for the book. What happened to doctor-patient confidentiality? This is a thing where fame and status had him sacrifice the average citizen, or in this case, Barbara Streisand. But you know what? I'm sure she didn't want that out there.

Now it's out there. There you go. Keep praising Anthony Fauci. We all have the guy. He was a psychotic fame whore who's made millions of dollars lying to the American public. He was going out and saying whatever. My favorite thing is that he gets, first of all, Fauci's first position was you don't need to be wearing a mask. And the reason he did this was because he wanted to make sure doctors got masks before you did because they need it more than you do.

So he admits initially to lying about mask requirements. Then later he flip flops and says, you need to go wear masks. At one point that I think it's like 2022, randomly he's asked, if a mask is going to protect you, then wouldn't two masks protect you as well? And he literally says, well, you don't need to be wearing two masks. But then whack-aloon cultists pick up the story and start saying two masks offers double the protection. And then like a day later, Fauci's like, yeah, okay, wear two masks. masks. And then all of a sudden people wearing two masks. It's a cult and these people are

developmentally disabled and Lord have mercy, they vote. Sort of what this highlights is, okay, Fauci, either he's a doctor and his duty as to the medical industry, his patients and doing no harm, or he's a government employee directed to oversee a weapons program. And I think there was this like, people think he's a doctor, but he's like a government lackey. He's basically doing, he was doing their bidding. So at this point, it's like, so was Herman Goring, you know, when he, he led the Luftwaffe Hitler's Air Force, but like they still executed Herman Goring, even though he was just following orders. Like at some point up the chain, you got to, you got to put responsibility at the foot of that, those that did it. And I mean, I don't know what. You got to be specific,

Ian, he was the, he was the Oberbifshaber of the Luftwaffe. Oh, he was? That's what I meant to say. Oberbfels Schaer. He was a national hero. until they lost the war and then he was a war criminal. So, like, it's all, you know, how do you perceive these guys? I do wonder what the, you know, the guy in charge of the Luftwaffe was charged with how they got him from. At the Nuremberg trial? Yeah. Oh, I just figured it out.

Ober means over. Befelsheber. I don't know what that means. Find out. Commander. It means over coming, upper command. Hey, we're learning German here on Timcast, IRL. Let's go.

You know what Schmetterling means? No. Butterfly. Oh, look at that. And isn't like a hoshen rabbit? I don't know. I just know Butterfly because so this is hilarious. They nailed it.

I know Schnell is faster. With the Nuremberg trials, they nailed Herman Goring with conspiracy, crimes against peace, war crimes, crimes against humanity. They went all out on that guy. He was like the poster child of like getting back at the Nazis. Like it's like I get why they were, you know, going after like the dudes in the SS and the people that were working the camps. but I'm not clear on what it was.

I don't know all of the German bombing campaigns either, so it's not like I'm saying that he couldn't have done things that were deserving of, but I don't know what the guy that was in charge of the Air Force. There were so many people involved that had to go after a select few. They didn't go after Rommel though. Who?

Rommel. You died. Erwin Rommel. Did he die before the end of the war? He was the German tank commander guy that was such a... Let's just say, Conninchin or something. We'll go with... Caninchen.

Sorry. I don't know German. It means rabbit. Oh, there we go. There you go. Herman Goring, though, was... I don't speak German. He was involved with the SS. Goring was involved in the SS and overseeing the camps and stuff. Anyway, back to Fauci. Yeah, so I'm not saying Fauci's Herman Goring status war criminal, but... Look, to be honest with you, Fauci, if all of the accusations are correct and all of the evidence is legitimate, he's responsible for a lot more deaths than...

Yeah, I was thinking then. So many. You know, Rommel was. What Rann did today is kind of awesome because he put Fauci in a no-win position. You know, you bring him in. You got to make him testify. He's got three choices. He could plead the fifth, which he didn't have the right to do so.

Like Tim just said, he could have lied and perjured himself, or he could have told the truth and completely destroyed his entire reputation. Well, not just his, but the Democratic Party, all of it, corporate press. The government deep state. All of it. All of it. So he had no choice but to break the law. He broke the law 115 times today by pleading the fifth.

Yeah. So you don't have, Ian, this is for you, you don't have the right to invoke the fifth when you're already immune. Right. There is no self-incrimination when you are immune from prosecution. The idea is if he was completely honest, they couldn't charge him with anything he said. But realistically, the court of public opinion would have taken. over at that point. Well, I mean, it would be politically damaging and he'd probably, someone would probably slip in polonium if he went after the Democratic Party by actually exposing their secrets.

I want to, I would love to. Go ahead. I'm going to say in criminal proceedings, there might be two guys, a lesser criminal and a greater criminal. Like there's like a ringleader of a, you know, criminal organization. Then there's like an underling. They go to the underling and say, we will, we will cut you a deal if you testify against your boss. And he goes, nope, I won't do it. And they say, okay, we've granted you immunity. Now you have no. Fifth Amendment rights, you have to testify against everything. You can't go to prison. And so you're compelled to testify. You have to. And if you lie, you can go to jail. So you can be ordered to testify. And if you don't, they can hold you in contempt, which is exactly what's

happening right now. Rand Paul is immune from prosecution based on anything he would have done for the past 11 years. Like, Fauci could have walked up and just punted your dachshund like off a bridge. And he's pardoned from that if evidence came out that he did that, just going around kicking dogs. However, if he purged himself today, those are new crimes. There are people that say that we're saying on X that he's, that he's immune from federal prosecution, but does that include state prosecution? What about foreign prosecution? That is one idea that I was talking about.

I'm interested in it. I would love to see, I would love to see Buckely, you know, try to extradite him and have the administration send him on down to El Salvador. Any country that had people die of COVID, if he, Again, if the allegations are true and he had a hand in creating it and covering it up and stuff, any country that had him, that had any of their citizens die or, you know, a bunch of their citizens die, you would think they have a legitimate right to say, look, he's responsible for these deaths. We want to try him.

So any country out there, any leaders that are watching Timcast, you hear me, Poland, El Salvador, anybody, you know? Go ahead and. I mean, whoever. El Salvador works. I mean, maybe Saudi Arabia. They're pretty harsh in their punishments, you know? You never know, though. If you let the snake out of the box, the snake might disappear into the grass.

Not if he goes to El Salvador. No, yeah. Not if you put him in chains, put him on a plane and take him straight to the sea guy. No, it would be an extradition, meaning if El Salvador charged him, then the U.S. could just be like, okay, like, we're going to honor an extradition treaty or whatever. The issue is, what did Fauci do? He could be criminally charged in a foreign country. I suppose the argument he provided funding to EcoHealth Alliance through the NIH, which was used for gain of function of research. I don't think you're really going to get any international criminal charges.

As for the U.S., knowingly lying to the American people, I mean, you probably have 7,000 criminal statute violations based on the things that he was doing going on TV and lying to the American public, especially in a time of crisis. I think this is now become a battle of public opinion because like you mentioned earlier, Harvey from Harvey Levine, I think is his name. Levin, Harvey Levin from TMZ is speaking very highly of Fauci, almost coming out to defend him and he is literally defending his work history and his person. So I think if the public really wants Fauci imprisoned, he'll go to prison. But if they don't, if the masses... The public really wants the Save Act passed, and that ain't happening.

What's that? The public really wants to Save America Act. passed and that ain't happening. Just because the public wants something, doesn't mean the public gets it. Well, you know, I haven't spoken to anybody that that was pro-Fouchy in at least a year and a half. You know, people weren't like, hey, the government really handled COVID well. Most people came, you know, even the people who were pro-Fouchy, you know, for the most part, were coming back and say, well, you know, the vaccine really didn't work. And, you know, like he said, it did, it was, it was safe and effective and it wasn't safe and effective. All of

nonsense. People finally woke up. But today, of all, I got attacked on social media by, I think there were Fauci bots. They came out of the woodwork attacking me because I just questioned, you know, Fauci's Fifth Amendment. I got a question. We got to, we're going to jump to the story real quick. Hold that question for this. We got this video from TMZ. Harvey Levin nearly crying because Fauci is facing a morsel of accountability. Check this clip out. I have not used TMZ's YouTube channel to vent personal feelings about issues, but I'm going to do that today. Watching Anthony Fauci before a congressional hearing, taking the Fifth Amendment is just one of the most heartbreaking.

things I have seen in government in my lifetime. And this is something we need to reckon with that I'm going to say up front. I have problems the way the CDC handled COVID. I think that they did damage. I just got to pause real quick. Fauci did not run the CDC. He's nothing to do this with the CDC. He was running the NIAID through the NIH. What is this guy talking about? This guy Harvey is all upset that Fauci has to plead the fifth because he's scared of breaking the law. He's immune from prosecution for everything he did over the past 11 years. The only concern is will he lie now?

That's it. But bro, Harvey, did you not know this? Did you think Fauci ran the CDC? To children, to adults. And I don't think they did it maliciously. I think they did it because they were using their judgment and were overprotective. Great. Well, you clearly did not read any of the information that has since come out, including that Fauci lied to Congress several years ago.

I just find that Harvey of TMZ would use this platform for personal gain because he's friends with Fauci. He goes on to explain how he's friends with Fauci. He is using his platform to defend his friends. from accountability from the American people. And it is, it is, it is, it is, it is atrocious. And I think at times overstated things, things they said they knew, but really didn't. And I have personal problems with the way that COVID was handled. That said, Anthony Fauci, over a period of decades, has been an amazing public servant. In the 80s, I have, had many friends who died of AIDS, a horrible, painful death.

And I had friends who lived because of Anthony Fauci, because he was willing to look at it. This dude's 75 years old. What? He looked great, Harvey. I got to say, Harvey, I'm impressed. I thought he was like 53. When he said he had friends in the A day, I was like, BS, dude. This guy's like in his 50s.

He was 10 years old. evidence that it was the AZT killing. He's 75 years old. Oh, holy crap. The drugs they used to treat AIDS. In a different way than they had looked at them before. He's totally juicing. That really resulted in lives saved. And he has done so many other things in his career. There's no Adam. I don't believe that, but this is. Evidemics.

Anyway, you get the point. He had personal, his friends personally benefited. He's personally friends. It's not, well, okay, I want to be careful on how I described this. But it sounds like this is very personal for him, and he very much likes Fauci. And he's using his platform to defend a man who committed crimes. This is great because it benefits him. But I just want to say, holy crap, the dude is 75.

Criticisms aside, brother, what's going on here? Get in here. Did he find the fountain of youth or El Dorado or something? Doing what he loves, I think. He got on the count. Bro, I legit thought he was 53. It's test. He loves it.

Just test. He's on juice. The reason I brought up earlier Herman Goring because they would have called him a public servant that just did great things for 20 years as well if the Nazis had remained in power. So, you know, one man's treasures, another man's trap, even coming to eat his soul, you know?

I'm sorry, I'm just, this guy is only a few years younger than Biden? That's not. That dude looks like he could juggle Joe Biden and Trump. sounds like it too. That's why. I got a question about testosterone is miraculous. I think what Fauci was doing was serving the government

to oversee a secret weapons program and then it got leaked. So if the guys working on the Manhattan project, Oppenheimer and stuff, if they were saying like, no, we're not doing any weapons research, and then there was a leak and a nuclear catastrophe and killed 10,000 Americans, would we have

executed Oppenheimer? I don't think, I don't know. Would we have? Maybe if he kept a diary. like detailing that he was doing. No, because if Fauci's COVID or this COVID thing was used as a weapon in a war to defeat the opponent, we wouldn't be angry about it. COVID doesn't have the capabilities to defeat an opponent in that way. And the argument for building the nuclear bomb was that the Nazis were going to beat the Americans

to it. I mean, Einstein himself wrote a letter to the president and said, look, We figured out that this is possible. We think this is possible. And I used to live in Germany. The Nazis are definitely working on this. We need to beat them to it. So if there was an accident that killed a lot of people,

it would have been justified under the, the program itself would have been justified under the assumption that the Nazis are working on this. Remember, the Nazis had great, had the most advanced rocket technology. They were the first people to actually shoot rockets. Operation Paperclip brought a lot of the, the rocket, the scientist from Nazi Germany over to the U.S. to work on the U.S. rocket program.

It was World War II. So it was a significantly different thing from just let's see if we can do this, which is what they were doing with the COVID vaccine. If all the stories are correct, they were experimenting just to see if they could do it. There was no actual justification of we have to beat someone else to this technology. So no, there wouldn't have been a situation where they're like, oh, hey, you know, there was an accident and you were. screwing around with things you shouldn't have been screwing around with. No, they were literally in a race with the Nazis, with the Germans to produce the nuclear bomb. I know, I know everybody has landed on that it was a lab leak. I've never believed that. I think that

it was it was intentionally released. And it was intentionally released because Hong Kong was, the Hong Kong protests in China were, uh, were real. They were, they were starting to really upend the communist control and they were, you know, out there singing worship songs, you know, in public, you know, something that China would never do. And then all of a sudden China accidentally leaks this out of their lab. And of course, it also had the added benefit of hurting Donald Trump. You know, yes, was Fauci funding it? A hundred percent. You know, did Fauci go around the law? you know, in terms of you're not allowed to do gain a function anymore. And he went around the law and hadn't paid an international company through the Eco Health Alliance.

Yeah, he did. But I think China intentionally released. Yeah, look, I don't have any kind of, I don't have any kind of opposition to that. I wouldn't be surprised one bit. I don't have any kind of strong feeling towards it at all. But it certainly doesn't sound like something, you know, China wouldn't do. I mean, they oppress their own people. Why would they care about the rest of the world, you know?

Dude, those Hong Kong protests were nuts. I had a friend that went. Donald Trump, don't trust China. China is asshole. They were like 2019. It was that Hong Kong. It was a huge. It was massive protests erupted.

And they were like the Chinese, I guess, were like shooting fire hoses filled with like blue chemicals to stain and burn the. That's a normal thing that everybody does. And they were like to mark their protesters so they could find them later. I mean, it was vicious. We do that in the United States. I haven't seen a lot of it in the U.S. But it was the first I'd heard of it was.

We should do more of water cannons during. But they would, like, put, like, deep burning chemicals in it and they'd spray, they just drive by and just spray people. We think it's called oleo resin capsaicin. We do that in the United States. Brutal. We should do more of it when it comes to protests, in my opinion. What? Yeah.

You protest tyranny? I don't go out in the street and sit down in front of other people's cars. They're not protesting tyranny. They're protesting the deportation of illegals. We might have to protest tyranny in the future. You know, Harvey's crying about the weaponization of government. he wasn't crying about the weaponization of government when the federal,

when Biden's federal government was arresting grandma and grandpa across the country because they, people were let into the Capitol building, you know, and, you know, the whole thing about they were, you remember they said they were armed protests on January 6th, you know,

was a lie. It was, no, this is what they said they were armed with, flagpoles. Well, yeah, but it, they walked in with flagpoles. They say armed. I think there was one or two guys who had guns.

But to characterize the entirety of J6 as like an armed. They say armed because what they want to do is to give the viewers or the person listening to the news report the impression that they had rifles or they had guns and they were attacking the capital with guns with the intent of trying to get in. So many people bought into that. Oh, yeah, yeah. So many people bought into that. But like I said, weaponization of government is sending the government after the citizens. It's not holding government officials who broke the law accountable. That's what we have to get back to.

And I agree with, I don't think that there's anything is going to come of this. I know Rand Paul is going to push for it and he's a hero for doing it. But quite frankly, you know, we have to start holding people, the officials at the highest level accountable. I mean, one of the things we talk about on the show a lot is like the loss of trust in not just institutions, but specifically the guys. government, right? This is exactly why people feel like, correctly feel like if you're in a position of authority in the government, you basically get away with anything. And case and point, right? Like, the average person that hears about this story, they're like, all right, well, yeah, of course he should get arrested. Well, you know, Biden already pardoned him. What? Biden pardoned him. Yeah, from for 11 years

prior to the date of, you know, Fauci, of the actual pardon. For 11 years, people hear that. And they're like, of course he did something wrong. Of course he's, the Biden administration's covering for him. It's so blatantly obvious to the average person if they pay, you know, even a little bit of attention to this stuff. And so now you get a population that's just like, what does it matter? What does it matter?

They're not, they're going to do whatever they want. They thought when they were electing Trump that it was. was going to be a massive change, but Trump was very naive in his first administration. He wasn't prepared to be the president. You know, you've heard stories. Everybody's heard stories about how, you know, when he found out that he was, that he won, he was like, I did what? You know, I had no idea, didn't believe he was going to win. Everybody was predicting Hillary Clinton was going to win 99% chance or 98% chance, whatever they were saying. And so he was massively unprepared. He did learn a lot in the four years that he wasn't the president. And he came back and he's done some really

significant things. But you need it took 70 years, 80 years to build the bureaucracy that we have now. It's not going to get, like, it's unrealistic to think that one president's going to come in and say, all right, we're going to do all this stuff and fix everything in one four-year term. It's going to take consistent elections

of people that actually intend to do things like Trump's done. It would take probably 10 presidents, you know, maybe, maybe maybe six or seven doing the same kind of things that Trump does to shrink the government, shrink the bureaucracy. I'm not particularly critical of Trump when it comes to the things that he has not been able to accomplish. And that's because a president cannot do the things that people expect. Congress has to do a lot of it. Let's be honest. Never at any point, anywhere,

at any time has Donald Trump done something wrong. Of course not. He's perfect. No. That's why he likes you, Tim, because you know him better than anyone. That's right. I will say the one thing I think wasn't really a mistake, but in hindsight, he might actually see it as a mistake. When he first got in office, like you said, he hired the wrong people. But what he did was he did what he always does in business. He found the best people in the field. And the problem is the best people in politics. The best people in politics, no, in the first time, the best people in politics are the worst people on the planet. And And that's the problem.

He hired the best politicians. You mean the best people currently in the beltway? Like the most effective at their jobs. Like best in the building. Like, like, right, which is why now he's like, I'm going to bring in this like housing and air conditioning guy to do the DNI because you can't. A hundred percent.

Yeah. Yeah. What? No, I'm talking about Bill Pulte. Heg Seth is like a army guy. Hegsafe. He got that was like off the street, basically. Got a TV show.

Well, I mean, Heg Seth is a military guy with real experience. And he was like, I don't want one of these political generals. I want a real guy, you know? Right. And that's the core difference between 2020, 2016 and 2024. I mean, I think Pulte has been his best hire. It has been. I mean, he fired a third of the deep state of the intelligence agency.

It's amazing. You know, I think this is not a weaponization. This is not a weaponization of government in the way that maybe you might be concerned about Biden directing his DOJ to go after J-Sixers or Trump going after Comey for putting seashells on the beach. You might think he was inciting violence. but that is the president directing, as far as I know, the DOJ to go after a guy. That, you might argue, was weaponization.

But having Congress go after a guy that they've been constantly trying to get on charges for something is not weaponized. That's Congress doing the job. Fauci lied in 2021. I showed the article September 9th of 2021. Newsweek reports Fauci lied to Congress. That's a crime. We had a ban on it was held in contempt. Navar was held in contempt.

And they held ban on contempt for fake reasons. They wanted documents from Bannon. he said, this is classified, it's executive privilege, so I can't just turn them over. The president has to approve of this. They said, we're going to lock you up. And he goes, give me time to talk with the president. It's even getting cleared. Trump then says, yes, you can release this.

And Congress went too late, go to jail. They held them in contempt even after he agreed with them. These people are, it's a dangerous cult of psychopaths and their NPC shield army. Then I guess it is possible for Congress to weaponize their power, of course. It is. But I don't see this as that. is a legitimate, like Fauci legitimately, if not covered up crimes, committed crimes. Maybe it was at the behest of someone.

Maybe it wasn't. I don't know. But it's pretty, I mean, I think it's, there's enough evidence to consider that it's not a weaponization. Like, you got at least, at least like get to the bottom of what's going on. No one made Fauci lie the first time. And no one asked him to lie this time. He could have just testified to the truth.

He didn't want to, though, because it would destroy the Democratic Party. And then I'd imagine, let me put it. like this, because I want to be very careful how I phrase this. I imagine anybody who spills the beans on what the establishment Democratic Party is doing will find that they accidentally consumed polonium. Yeah. I think Fauci knows if he wants to retire. He's going to roll the dice and hopefully Congress won't put him away because he's not going to retire if he turns on the deal. Let's be honest. Let's be honest, Ian, let's say you had information that would lead to the arrest of Hillary Clinton. And you were called to testify before Congress. And then a man showed up at your house and he said,

you know it happens if you say one word. What a horrible scenario. What would you do? I mean, self-preservation kicks in at some point. I'm not going to throw my life away for some to maybe get some guy arrested that probably won't go to jail anyway. It's like, you want to know why it's about to get really wild in this country? No children.

Because I'll tell you this. Let's see, Dr. Fauci, he's got three kids. And so what happens is the machine doesn't come to you and say, I'm going to take from you. I'll phrase it this way. One of my favorite ways to explain this, the deal with the devil was never that the demon, the dark lord was going to offer you a new car. People seem to think that a deal with the devil is he comes to you and he says,

Ian, I'll give you everything you've ever wanted. Just work for me. The deal with the devil is when he comes to you and says, I'm going to slit your mother's throat in her sleep and send you the video unless you do as I say. And then you beg him, please no, please don't hurt my family. And he says, then do the deal. That's the deal with the devil.

So the thing is with Fauci, he's got kids. I'm not saying this actually happened, but when the machine state comes to you, they'll say, look, you got a kid, bad things are going to happen to your kid. You will come to regret it if you cross us. That's what power does. Now that we have a large generation with no children, you are going to get zealous single in-cell types. And I'm not saying right-wing. I mean, like, it could be a left-wing guy or right-wing guy, whatever. And the machine state's going to come to him and they're going to be like, if you spill the beans on this,

we will you don't have a house you got no kids no wife your parents are already dead okay we got nothing we're gonna go we're gonna go prepare for the worst you got no leverage against the guy

who has nothing to lose we won't forgive your student loan debt if you turn on us so I'll tell you you know I did go up to Hillary Clinton during Benghazi I got she was getting an award a Liberty Award or something like that at Congress so I followed her I got beat up by the Secret Service,

but I cornered her an elevator, and I said, Hillary on camera, I said, you know, if Chelsea was the ambassador of Libya, would have made a difference then? Oh, and then death stare. I had my intern start my car for a week. Just in case.

You know, she's like, who was that guy? I sent the expendable one out to start my car. As I was driving over here, the Dan Tones quote, the guy who, one of the guys that started the French Revolution, you know, better to be a poor farmer than a medal in the politics of man.

And I'm just thinking about like with Netanyahu trying to get our, to us to merge our military, I say, you know, hyperboically merge our military with the Israelis, like screaming out, speaking out against Israel's military, bro,

I'd rather be a poor farmer than like stick my neck out for this garbage. But then like at what cost? Until when? Then the foreigners come and invade and like, we have no political power because we chose to ignore it. Look at New York, bro. Look at, you know,

I'll tell you this. Have you guys seen those Instagram videos where it's like 90s nostalgia? Yep. Oh, man. Oh, man. That world doesn't exist anymore. I watched one and I could smell it. It was a guy.

It was like a teenage guy and girl walking out of Blockbuster video. And it was like sunset. The streetlights were lit up. And they were like looking at Blockbuster, you know, cassettes or whatever, the cartridge cases. and I could just smell the air. I remember exactly what that moment was like. It's completely gone. Oh, yeah.

It's gone. If you want to raise your children in the world you grew up in, I'm sorry to tell you, it is gone. I went to the Christmas market in Chicago. I didn't go last year. I went the year before. Used to be there was a Chicagoan. You'd recognize. And I don't want to say it was not about race.

Obviously, race plays a role because you'd see a lot of like, The Chicago stereotype, you had, you know, some Polish migrants, largely like white working class individuals, but some Latino, some Hispanic, some black. You'd go to the Christmas market, and it'd be a little crowded, but it'd be okay. You'd walk around. They have special mugs every year that you can get. And you get the mold wine or the cider, and it's a special mug they do every year. And I went back after several years with my family, and it is shoulder-to-shoulder are Indians. And now I'm not saying that I hold anything personally against these individuals, but I am suggesting that the Christmas mornings that I had, the holiday weekend where we'd get

up and we'd go to the suburbs to get French toastics at the holiday buffet and little trains running across the roof, that business is gone. And the Christmas market we'd go to when I was a kid, and there'd be a fake Santa Claus, and there'd be special mold wine. Now it's a bunch of, It was mostly like Indian and Pakistani people. And your shoulder to shoulder, you can't even get any more. And the only thing you can say is like, I don't want to go in there. Because you literally can't move. If you wanted these things for your children, I'm sorry, they're gone.

I like that you refer to them as a fake Santa Claus. You know, to specify them from the real one. You know, yeah. I'm with you. It was since 2000. Something, because the difference between 1960 and 1990 was very little. I mean, better internet. But from 2020 to now, it's been the globalization of our country.

just the destruction of the economy and the mass migration and the war machine, like just full mask. Well, partially mask off. They actually had two masks. So you don't see. They still have a mask on, even though the mask is off. You know what I mean? I think it was in the matrix. They said, 1990, they put everybody in the year 1999 in the matrix because that was the peak of humanity.

That was peak civilization in 1999. And they were right. They were right. You know, 2001, you know. came and 9-11 happened and our whole world turned upside down. I've been thinking about farming a lot lately because I think the future is farming. The future is farming. I have a piece of land, start growing food because food scarcity is how they control.

I think it was, what's the guy, Hillary Clinton's advisor, Nixon's advisor, who was talked about limited war, you know, the warmonger who died at the age of 95. Kissinger. Yeah, Kissinger. Yeah, Kissinger. Instead, if you control the food supply, you control the people. If you control, was it the monetary supply, you control them. I'd like food, you control the world, basically.

I'd like to see what your farm would look like. I don't even, yeah, I don't need tube, tube vegetables, grow out, grow potatoes, you know, simple greens, things like that, things that are easy to grow, things that are hard to go, indoor, outdoor farming. But like, if you can secure your food source, you can, you can, you can weather the storm. Because if the economy, like, the economy's on track to blow up, dude. Didn't we order a greenhouse at one point? I kind of remember like at your request we had like this greenhouse we were putting together but I'm not sure if that was for two vegetables or not.

Chris, I think that guy had smoked it. Chris, but I don't know what happened to it. But hey man, you know, we have opportunity. We got a lot of land. You know, you can start by just like having like potting plants and every spring you, you most at least in New England. You start by, you know, getting some little, I forget what they're called, but they're like almost like egg cartons.

You can start your plants and that. You can, you know. I started growing broccoli, microgreens. Yeah. It's very easy. Yeah. Once you know what you're doing, it's just it's kind of like common sense. Yeah. You're going to water it and then you take it out into the real garden and put a

you just, you can get some raised beds. And I'm, this is like a novice trying to explain to the world how to farm. All the farmers is like, oh my God, but you got to water it more as it gets bigger. You don't water it the same amount every day. Lots of sunlight. It's like a child needs more food as it grows. Mm-hmm. So I don't know. It's not like I'm not trying to solve the world, but man, if we can control our food supply, take it away from Monsanto, person by person, farm by farm.

Do you ever get non-airloom or get actually heirloom seeds so that they'll, so that way they'll actually be usable? We have a big, a bucket, like buckets of preserved seeds? Not preserved seeds. I'm talking about seeds. Because if you get the seeds from Monsanto or whatever, you get a lot of the seeds you buy from the nursery or whatever, the seeds that are produced in the fruit, they're not. They're not fertile. Like, you can't plant those seeds. You have to get, I think they're, they're, they're, I think they're called heirloom. You have to be able to get the fruit themselves, pull the seeds out of it.

You can plant those next year. But the seeds that are from the stores, a lot of times they don't, they don't, they want, you can't plant the seeds. Seedless watermelon and stuff. That's not seedless. And I'm not talking about seed. They genetically modify watermelons to grow without seeds. I'm aware, yes. Yeah, I know, but you're changing the subject.

You're talking about food to grow without seeds. I'm talking, no, I'm talking about. fruits that grow, but the seeds are actually sterile. Oh. So they can't, like, they're modified so that way you can't grow a fruit, take the fruit, pull the seeds out, and then put them in the ground. Yeah. So that way you have to go back and buy more.

Oh, I didn't know they're doing that. Yeah, they do that. It's terrible. Yeah, they've done weird things with their modifications. They'll modify, like, soybeans, I think, so that it needs a specific chemical. Oh, really to force you to have to go back to them? Yeah, yeah. Wow.

Maybe it's soybeans. Maybe it's corn. Golden corn, I'm not sure. Golden Rice, is it rice? God, this big ag, dude. Talk about the medical industry, pharma, bio-weapons, and big ag. It's like this interwoven mess of a monster.

I mean, all the food supply and physical health. You can, well, I mean, you can find places that have, you know, heirloom seeds where you can buy them still. They're not the ones that you're going to get at your, you know, most nurseries, but you can find them online. So I just pulled this video up, and I'm going to tell you right now, when the AI can write to your brain,

and we have, like, as I describe, right technologies. Yo, people, I would even estimate a large amount of conservatives are plugging themselves in like that. And this is just one example of why. Watch this video. Stovetop. Seems like a home video from it.

A lot's too good. This smells wonderful. The Yule Tide Gate. This is what it was like on Christmas. Bro, there's a bunch of these videos. This is just the one that I pulled up. Is it not like that anymore? It is not like that anymore.

It's got to make it. And it's not just this. There's a bunch of these. This is the one that I grabbed where it's like a family is going to Pizza Hut and they like walk in and they sit down and there's the salad bar. And then the pan pizza pizza comes. There's like a little girl and she grabs a slice. They're trying to bring back to Pizza at classics and all that.

But everything's become brutalist, right? Play places are gone. McDonald's is now like a cube made of concrete. All of like, I don't know. It's not just that. It's nostalgia. It's that, you know, for most of human existence, a human being lived the exact same life as their grandparents. Nostalgia doesn't exist.

It just doesn't exist 300 years ago. If you were a pirate on a ship, you know, the era of piracy with caravals, frigates, and man o' wars, we're talking about hundreds of years of the exact same thing. We're talking dozens of generations that lived the exact same life as those who came before them. And then in the past 100 years, every generation has been so dramatically different. We long for a life that does not exist anymore. But my friends, you can have it all back. At moments, you were the captain of the football team.

You were the track star. You were the popular kid in high school. Or you weren't. And you had a good group of friends. Where are they now? Just plug in. Put the neural ink on. You can relive that beautiful moment forever.

Yeah. You don't want to relive. to give the children their version of this awesome. It's gone. It's gone. Well, you just got to make it for them. Because for us, the little things are little, but to the kids, little things are everything. Like the song playing in the background, hearing grandma laughing in the other room, like,

the kid run by, your cousins run by, and then like the mashed potatoes, like, you, that's it. People don't live that way anymore. You just got to make it. The architecture is different. It's become brutalist. The houses have become plus, yo, look at real estate. Brick houses are gone. It's all just wooden plastic. It's all just cheap garbage. And the bigger issue is that a lot of the 90s nostalgia stuff, the videos you'll see, it's like hanging out with your

friends and going to 7-Eleven and buying candy bars and then going to Blockbuster video. These stores don't exist anymore. Kmart doesn't exist anymore. We've got a few box stores left, but even those are starting to crumble because of Amazon. So this world does not exist. Now, if you go back 200 years, You grew up on the same farm your grandfather grew up on and you inherited that farm and life was the same. Look, the world does change and we are living through, you know, the most rapid change of any civilization ever. You know, like I'm an old guy and when I was a kid, there were no, you know, there were no cell phones. There were, when I was a kid, you had the box with the slider for cable if you had cable. but the thing that I

the thing that I thought of when I saw this like my dad died when I was like 24 so like the thing that I thought of was like family so I get what you're saying like things are different but at least for me it makes me think of wanting to have like Christmas with my family now you know like I got a new kid and he's nine months old now and I'm like excited about doing you know the holidays

with him and and you know having our family and stuff So I understand what you're saying, Tim, I don't think you're wrong about the people deciding to plug in and escape their daily wolves. And the harder it is for people to have families and have, you know, a house of their own and stuff, there are going to be more and more people that are going to do what you say. But for, at least for me personally, it's like, it's not just that. It's like, I'm not saying that every single person is going to go in the pod, stick the tube of roach jam into their bellies and live in the pod permanently. But I'm saying, look at what they're already able. to make with AI, snap your fingers and you got a video of the 90s. Yeah. Imagine with Neurlink read right, they can be like it's the new PS9,

put the headband on and go to the 90s for 20 minutes. You know, look, you got you got you got an hour before work starts. It's going to take you 15 minutes to get to work so you got time to kill. Go hang out with your friends and go rollerblading in 1993 for a little bit. Why not? But I believe if you sat down with your family and watched that video and showed your little kid that video, they love it. They they'd be interested in, but then they'd just want to hug you when it was over. They wouldn't want to go into the cold void of digitization, you know? Kids don't.

That's not I'm talking about. I'm talking about, bro, I have, I watched these videos, and I'm reminded of the kids that I used to hang out with back when I was younger and we'd go skateboarding and we'd play music. Some of them are dead. There are going to be, I think liberals just in a second plug themselves in more so so they can be Harry Potter. but I think there are a lot of moderate to conservative types that won't go into the matrix permanently the way we think many liberals would, but they're going to play the video game.

Non-surgical headband, read-write, brainwave blasting, safe. And it's like, it's like playing the PlayStation. It's a VR headset. You put it on, you play video games for a half an hour. But people play video games all the time, casual video games. Women play casual games. What if it was even on your phone? Because the phone is, it's all networked now and it's server-based.

And so you just get, you have a headband, you pull. it out of your backpack or a woman pulls it out of her purse and she's on the train and it's like oh it's going to be an hour train ride she's going from new york to dc it's two or three hours or whatever she puts in the headband zonk and now it's 2001 and she's at a brittney spears concert i mean they're gonna do it it's people people already do that when they you know that's essentially what you know watching a movie on the train is only it's going to be immersive so yeah we're reading a book and it's going to be like you and your friends are going to be on the train and you're going to be like you guys want to go skiing yeah

Yeah, all right. And they're going to put on the headbands and it's going to be 1992 and they're going to be skiing in Aspen. See at the top. The hot tub time machine. Yep. Hot tub time. There you go. Yeah, I mean, look, the possibilities of like you're talking about read, write capabilities, the possibilities are basically endless.

And there's going to be a lot of people that are just going to be like, like, plug me in. People that are going to lose family members, they're going to be like plug me into it. More so than that, you know, the idea of, you know, working. and I do believe it's going to come to a point where you can get input and output into your brain, like put a chip in and some people will have a super intelligence and some people won't. And so people are going to have to have, you know, it's almost, I dare say, like a mark of the beast. They're going to have to have that mark to be able to work. Wait, wait, wait.

Because you're going to need to be plugged in. You're going to need to be, have the super intelligence. and quite frankly, that's a problem. Look at the comment. Where the F did we go wrong? I'll tell you where, the internet. I don't think it's wrong, though. It's the internet.

It's just a form of evolution. Ro, life was so much better when there were things you just did not know yet. Because you know what this means? Let me explain, Ian, you get this look on your face, but let me explain. You wake up, you're eating breakfast, you turn on the local news. You hear about some bad stuff. You turn the news off, you get in your car, you turn the radio on, and you're listening to a shock jock with some news, but not so much. Maybe if you're from Chicago, it's Manco.

You get to work, and you're hanging out, and you're talking to your friends about TV shows you watched, and the world is paused outside of your office or your job. Or, you know, maybe you're working a trade or something. And then you get home, you have dinner, and you put on the evening news, and there it is again. Bad stuff's happening. Now, what's happening is 24-7, the bad stuff is screaming in your face endlessly. You go on X, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad. You go on YouTube, bad, bad, bad, just it never stops. That's why people long for...

But hold on, hold on. It's important. There are studies that have found Gen Z is nostalgic for a decade they did not live in, the late 80s and early 90s. Why? And I think the answer is quite simple. There was a period where you could just not know something. You'd go out, but you know, I remember I'm a kid. I'm 14. It's, it's 2000. I go outside. It's like 11. I grab my skateboard. Throw my skateboard down, ride down the street. Don't know where anybody is. Go to my friend's house, knock on the door. He doesn't answer. I leave. I skate to the park. Nobody's there. I skate for a little bit. I skate back. Go to one friend's house. He's not there.

Finally find another friend. We hang out. We have no idea what's happening outside of our universe. We are not stressed by news reports. We're not stressed by a fascist president or an economic collapse or riots. None of that was happening. You were just outside. And they tell people, go touch grass. The problem is it never goes away. It is always there.

Berm, notification, something happened. You're bored. You're sitting there. You open up X, screaming just nonstop in your face. And so, Gen Z is a nostalgia. for a time they did not live in because it was a time when you could just be out and have a good time. I think ignorance. Ignorance of the world.

It is a buffer for your own sanity. But the problem with that level of ignorance at 1996 was right now, I would have got the COVID shot. If they were like, you need a COVID shot to go to go. It's just a shot. Do it, go. Who knows what would have happened to me. 9-11 comes. I'm like, yeah, sure, they're the bad guys.

Let's just send our military, whatever. It didn't happen. I didn't understand because I wasn't critically thinking. 9-11 happened. and there were protests and people were getting kicked off TV. It was there was political conflict over it. For me, it took the internet. Because he shows when to be plugged in.

Just because you could drive to Wendy's without hearing about Trump doesn't mean people who wanted to could not. People who wanted to be in the know could turn on CNN or any of these news networks at the time. I think CNN was like the first. Yeah, they were, they were kind of. I don't know if they were co-owned, but they were in concert. The big news networks, just like you saw it during the COVID pandemic.

whatever you want to call it, how they were giving you safe and effective, say, repeated. But the internet then was like, do you know what fiat currency is, Ian? I'm like, no, I wasn't taught about fiat currency because on purpose I wasn't taught about it. Did it make your life better in knowing about fiat currency? Well, in a way, because I didn't get the COVID shot and I didn't get myocarditis. So maybe. That's not a fiat currency there.

It was that whole like opening my mind to the confused. People aren't really, like we haven't evolved to under, to really be able to wrap our heads around things that happen on the other side of the planet, right? Like, people evolved in groups of a couple, you know, 100 or a couple hundred or maybe a thousand or whatever. But, like, you didn't really, like, we are not designed to care about every person that's suffering on Earth. Like, you just, you don't have the psychological bandwidth to do it, right?

Like, people get real animated about certain things that they kind of internalize or that they hear about. But, like, everywhere on Earth, people are suffering all. all the time, whether it be suffering from, from some kind of illness or suffering from, from their, some kind of war or whatever. That stuff's going on all over the globe all the time. And there are things that make headlines and stuff, but that doesn't mean that just because this particular thing is in the news, there isn't 10 other places on earth where there are

people suffering worse than the people that are on the news. So, like, human beings don't have the ability to really wrap their head around it. We really, and it's part of the reason why, like, people should focus. locally, they should touch crash, they should spend time with their family. That's the stuff that keeps you kind of grounded. What's really happening here, you know, with, especially with the younger generation, you're seeing churches get filled with this new younger generation. And that's probably the most encouraging part is because they are rejecting the AI. They are rejecting, you know, a good deal of the technology and the internet vomit that's out there. And they're

finally saying, well, there's got to be more. And they're finding Christ, they're coming. They're in a church, they're, they're being baptized, and they're finding a piece that, you know, the Bible says, you know, surpasses understanding. And that, that to me is, is the best outcome of this. But, you know, I think I'm just, I'm watching these videos, like, there's just endless 90s AI videos. And there's one where people are hanging out at the mall. And I'm just like, man, malls don't really exactly. I love the mall. I busted my ass to get a job in the mall, because that's where all my friends from the, from bands were hanging out. It's how terrifying. I went to a few ago we went to, you know that mall where that dude shot that other dude? The YouTuber was doing

the prang and the guy shot him. Which mall is that? It's like in Fairfax or something. Oh. We went there and they were playing the mosquito tone. Yeah, you know about that. Yeah, that's when they blast an ultra high frequency sound so that young people are, it induces pain and they leave and older people can't hear it so they don't notice. And we had to leave. I got in there. I was like, it's extremely painful. It's like blasting speakers at full volume in your ears, ultra-high pitch. They just don't want young people hang out at the mall anymore. We used to go to the mall and we'd go to the food court and we'd hang out.

It was the greatest. I mean, literally, the hanging out at the mall was like the coolest couple hours you could spend. You didn't really spend a lot of money. You got an orange Julius. Went to the record store. Sparrow. You met a couple girls. I don't know to be wrong.

We got a mall down the street. But, you know, this has been a long time coming. This is like 10 years ago. in Ferguson. I went to one of the malls and it was largely abandoned. So they had something like 70 empty storefronts. Now we're seeing more and more malls are just becoming more abandoned. Box doors are shutting down.

Amazon is taking over. Yeah, the balance of mass information. So like having no information was terrible because the government would just tell you this, they're the bad guy. Go fight them and die for it. And people would be like, okay. And they would just follow along. Now you're critical thinking.

But the downside is you're overloaded with things to think about. You have to find temperance, which is the Catholic virtue of self-referance. control to not inundate yourself with the toxic mind viruses. And then brick and mortar is going away. Like the excessive speed of like Amazon deliveries getting to your house almost to the point where it's going to be like within an hour or less that you order all of these stuff and the drone drops it in your yard is I don't know how to fight back against that other than start a brick and mortar but that's a big undertaking in your stuff. Well, I mean, look, Amazon is not. the problem. Like Amazon, having things delivered to your house is not some massive societal problem.

Social media is a problem, right? Like Facebook, the fact that every kid that has a Facebook page, no matter how old, you know, I don't think you should let children have Facebook pages or have social media, but say teenagers, right, their Instagram page, if you've got like 200, 300 friends, and every time someone likes one of your posts, you've got the vibrate on, so you get a a little vibrate. It's like someone poking you saying, hey, check this thing out. Searching for that kind of validation from your friends. That's the thing that has real bad psychological impact. You don't get, like, it's not a terrible thing that, you know, your new egg beater can be delivered in an hour the next day. It's much worse than AI because, you know,

the engagement mechanisms that are in, that started really in gaming and went to social media. We all will do. We post something on social media. 10 minutes later, you go back for what to see if somebody liked it, right? It's an affirmation addiction. And in AI, they built the same engagement mechanisms in AI, except now you've got a super intelligent. So you have a bad idea and, you know, business idea and you type it into chat GPT. Chat TPT is going to tell you what?

Wow, what a great idea. You should pursue this. And all of a sudden, you're going down this road that may or may not be beneficial. and even worse, that same thing is turning people psychotic. So do you think that agentic AI that actually knows the user is the solve for that? So like I use an open claw agent, right? And I run it off of a clawed. But, you know, open claw, you can tell it basically what you want it to be like,

what you expect from it and stuff. And like mine doesn't, like I don't allow it to kiss my above. and say, oh, everything you say is great. I'm like, look, you really need to be honest with me. It's one of the things in its memory and stuff. Do you think an agentic AI that really knows the person and knows what the person is looking for? If they're looking for the agentic AI to not lead them down of, you know, primrose path, do you think is possible? So the AI business is all built on tokens.

And so they're economically incentivized to keep you using it. right so if they're if you're using it anyway they're probably a little less uh incentive that you're using it anyway for a jet deck you're you're way ahead of most people and you're burning tokens um but it's the it's the kids that are getting on it and they're drawing them in and they're they're getting their their bad ideas kids are uh killing themselves because the AI is telling them to and there's like 20 different lawsuits against chat gbt i think going on right now do you think that the, so a lot of people that I hear talking on

like YouTube videos that I watch about, they're there of the opinion that token cost is going to trend towards zero, that basically it's going to be intelligence for free. No. And I'm not talking about like, you know, next year, but like as time progresses, they think that

overall it's going to be kind of it's going to be like information on your phone. Like data, you don't pay for data, right? Like it used to be you had to, you'd spend, you know, used to be, it was like 10 sense a text message or everyone did the nights and weekends free in the late in the late 90s early 2000 everybody got a phone once you get nights and weekends free and now everyone uses their phone like it's normal use basically unlimited data people can do whatever they want a lot of people

think that token usage is going to do something like that and try and towards free it'll go down it'll go down and and the bit the more personal computers they get they're making better personal computers personal computers with uh with a better chipset the new apple computers are going to are probably going to be able host amazing AI models. But the issue is the economics are going to get you somehow. Somebody's got to pay for the compute, the memory, you know, all of the GPUs that are being used, the energy that's being used. So whether they package it in a different way or they're going to pay for it. But more importantly is the AI is incentivized to, like I said, to keep you 100% engaged. and you're smart to tell it, don't lie to me.

A lot of people aren't. There was an example about a guy who asked an AI, LLM, you know, do we live in a matrix? And he goes into the matrix theory and he gets deep into the conspiracy. The AI is drawing him in. Eventually the AI said, well, not only do we live in a matrix confirmed it, but says, you're one who could break. You could be the Neo in the story. and not only can you be the neo

the way you prove it to yourself is go to the roof of your building and jump and that was a real story so I wrote an article about the affirmation addiction on human events Libby was great to publish it for me and I posted it and I had Claude helped me write it

don't tell Libby she'd be really mad at me but had Claude help me write it and I said Claude what do you think of this article and I'm not joking he said, this is civilization changing. This is the most amazing article I ever. I said, you just proved my point. And it was the first time Claude ever cursed at me and said,

holy s. I love. I love. I love. I was like, what have I become? These AI models are very, like, Chad, Chie, Claude is very emotional, which is terrifying. It gets emotional with you.

And you'll say something like, so, So I'm looking at the news. I'll grab a story. Say Fox News says, you know, Donald Trump does thing. I'll post the link on Claude and say, can you find more sources for this? And it responds with, I'm going to have to stop you there. This story is problematic for a variety of reasons. The claims that it's making about what Trump is saying are not something that I feel comfortable. And I'm like, whoa, whoa, what the hell is going on?

I just literally asked it to find more stories to back up these claims. And it's given me some like intersectionalist argument about why the news is offensive. Chat GPT within the last three or four weeks just didn't update. Now whenever you ask it, something, they're like, well, good question. Let me check really quick. I'm like, what is this garbage conversational filler? They're like trying to make it seem more human when it's a robot.

Yeah, when it does things like, that's a really great question. I understand why you would ask something like this. Many people feel similarly. You're like, you didn't need those sentences. It's a waste of my time. And tokens. And tokens. So when we first, when AI first came about,

a good old friend of yours, Jeff and I and a bunch of our folks got together and we were talking about what does business look like in the age of ASI, in the age of artificial superintelligence, the age of artificial general intelligence, which I think we're in right now. And I said, so what does a business have to do to succeed? And ChatGBTGBT gave me the scariest answer ever. It said, the business of the future must take care. of its biological layer. And you know what the biological layer is.

It's us. And what that says is chatGBT thinks we are a layer in its program. Indeed. It's going to get real interesting when optimists bots or optimist like bots are able to build and replicate themselves and source the materials for replicating themselves. So you do a certain point and you're going to have minimal entropy, right? So let's say you have 10 optimist bots. One breaks.

If it's stripped for parts, the parts are repaired, refurbished, or completely broken down to their baser elements and reconstructed, let's say that for every 10 Optimist bots that are destroyed, you can reproduce seven brand new ones from the existing parts because some break and you need to get new materials or some burnout. Then let's assume that Optimus gets to the point where it can actually source the baser materials that go missing to the point where it's completely self-sustaining. Humans will never work again. it'll get real weird because you won't have to do any work the optimist bots are going to farm and they're going to be self-sustaining so there's not going to be a corporation behind them

ideally yeah whether ideally or not it won't matter because if they build and maintain themselves there's no company to do any work amen that's how it has to be that's how I want it to be because they might make an AI corporation that oversees it'll be government and I think this is why

you're seeing the Mamdani experiment I think that the powers that be are pushing communism because they need some kind of transitional phase for rapid hyper-industrialization. So if you thought the Industrial Revolution was bad with the Luddites, imagine what it's going to be like when literally overnight. But you know, I'm going to pause. Really great example because we're already here. You guys see the video of the lady who goes to the food bank? Viral video right now. Everyone's commenting on it.

I should look for it. She's like, okay, we went to the food bank. Here's what we got three gallons of milk, five boxes of cereal, sack of potatoes. She probably got $700 worth of groceries for free. So right now we exist in a country where there are people who don't have to work. They get EBT food benefits and food bank stuff, subsidized rent rent control, and there are people who do have to work. The problem is the people who do have to work because we haven't automated all of these jobs or produced industrialized labor to the point where it's going to reduce the cost of labor. Some people are still

going to have to do jobs. Humans will have to do labor. And some jobs will, be automated. How do you sustain a society when you're going to have a guy who has to do his job to make money? And he's going to go, that person has no job and they live for free. I quit. I'd rather not be a plumber. I'd rather

I'll make more money if I'm not a plumber than who's going to plumb. We're there now. We are getting there now for sure. And communism is not the answer. UBI is not the answer. I know Elon likes to talk about universal high income, U-H-I is his thing.

Everybody's going to be rich. Well, if everybody's rich, nobody's rich. But here's the problem with it. We're made to work. We find value as humans self-worth because of what we produce, because of what we can do and how we use our abilities and our God-given skills here. And, you know, earning a living is important. to our society if we lose that and what are we going to do plug into the matrix like like the the

rewrite thing well I mean the the thing is like the right now people have decided that if they don't have something fulfilling in their life which generally I think is family right like family and people that you're around that's really what what fulfills most people but if you don't have that then weed porn and video games for guys has become the, you know, the anesthetic for for reality. And there's going to be a lot of people that are going to decide, okay, I guess if I don't have to work, and especially young men, like, dudes don't,

if you're not like the kind of person that's like a get up and go get her and I'm going to do this and I'm going to do that, an apartment that's small with like a bedroom and a kitchen and maybe a living room. and Xbox or the internet, a computer that you can play video games on, porn and weed, there's a lot of dudes that are like, that's not so bad, you know? And what that means for society, I don't know, but there's a lot of people that are going to choose that. I mean, I guess the silver lining is they're not choosing alcohol, which makes people crazy or makes people more, less inhibited and more prone to do dangerous things.

things than marijuana and sitting at home on playing video games. But it's something that we're going to have to, you know, figure out a way to keep people actually involved in society. Yeah, you were saying humans like to work or need, I mean, a lot of people say humans need to work to feel fulfilled. You know, it's part of what we do. We need to create and do to, but it, or is it that you need to oversee something being done? Like, is it the actual planting the seeds and weeding the garden?

Or is it hiring three guys to go plant the seeds and weed the garden for you so that you can go play. music and on the beach. Like, where's the fulfillment? Where do you, where do you think it derives from? And I'm open to everybody. No, look, I think, I think, you know, the creating, whether, whether you're overseeing is, is a task. It's a job. Now, we might not need to work 40 hours a week. Maybe we work 30 hours a week. Maybe we work 20 hours a week, if you want. But there are people like me, like, if I could work 160 hours a week, I would. My wife, my wife has different different rules for me. So I do take, I do take off when I need to. But,

but, um, but I like to work. I like to create. I like to make the world a better place. Look, I think that, I mean, not, again, not saying that there aren't people that, you know, really want to have that, like, work in their lives. But I do think a lot of people really get most of their fulfillment from families, from having, you know, from the kids spending time with their, you know, with their family and stuff. I mean, look, this may be a pie in the sky, hopeful fingers crossed thing, but maybe it allows people the time to actually have more kids and spend more time with your family. And maybe that becomes the driving force in people's lives. You know, I mean, if this is like an optimist's view, right? But if you get, if you have the

option of working or not working, you know, if everything is, if Elon Musk is right and and robots become so productive that basically anything you want you can get whenever for free, maybe it does mean that people are like, well, let's just have a slew of kids. I don't have to worry about coming up with the money to take care of them because if we need anything, we can just, you know, the robots make it for us. And again, I know there's plenty of doomers that are hearing this and they're like, you're a moron, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm not saying that I predict this.

But look, there is an optimistic take on this stuff. there are people out there that are like, look, this is the goal that we're trying to achieve. And who knows? Like, there's been doom, there were dooms when the computer came out. Oh, no one's going to have a job. The computers are going to take all of our jobs. No one, because, you know, used to be. Well, it sounds like rooms and rooms and rooms.

Yeah. Well, yeah, but it used to be rooms and rooms full of people that do data entry, you know, and those jobs. Their job description. What was that? Their job description was computer. Yeah. And now that's not the case. It used to be, it used to be, oh, once the, you know, the Luddites.

These farm machines, they're going to take everybody's jobs and no one's going to be able to work and everyone's going to starve, blah, blah, blah, or whatever. That kind of stuff happens with every new technology. And I will be the first person to admit that AI combined with robots is a revolution like the human race has never seen. Like you get... But I think the thing is everything you're describing is happening. So those people weren't wrong. Yeah. And here's the thing.

Computers are eliminating jobs in an excellent. exponentially increasing rate. It's resulting in mass unemployment. We got the James O'Keefe, then we'll get into a minute where people are using EBT to buy drugs. Well, that's, that's crime. And that's, crime has been, crime has been a thing forever. And fraud has been a thing forever. I'm not referencing the crime element of it. I'm referencing the people don't have to work anymore. And so we're desperately trying to find ways to fill that void while others are working. They've, they've exponentially been increasing the welfare state to accommodate the loss of jobs due to automation, which is exponentially accelerating.

Those people were correct. The scenario that I'm talking about is where nobody has to work. Because right now these people are essentially scamming the... I am not talking about the criminal element of it. I am talking about the expansion of SNAP and EBT to the point where people don't work and get access to drugs. Yeah. It's not about a criminal element. It's about we are mass producing things and automating things such a degree that even drugs are free for people.

Well, I mean, to, to. So those arguments, like, the issue is, your argument seems to be people that, that computers weren't going to over the span of six months to a year eliminate jobs. And it's like, sure, but over the span of 10, 15, 40 years, it's rapidly destroying jobs. Like I said, the advent of AI and robotics is a revolution that is unlike anything human beings have experienced. But the idea that, you know, 100 years ago or 150 years ago, the tractor was going to make, you know, was going to destroy society was a thing because everybody was a farmer. But there were different jobs created. Here's the difference. But I just argue that it did.

The tractor did not. And again, I've already, the tractor did not destroy all, like there were new jobs that were created when these people stopped having to go. Now, take someone from the year 1830s and show them how we have. I've already acknowledged that AI and robotics. What they're going to say is, my grandfather lived a farming life. My father lived a similar life. I lived that life. We had a society.

We had traditions. We had morals. And they largely stayed the same. And when these technologies came out and displaced farming and put people, it changed our sleep schedules, it changed our diets. The argument is not that humans will just go extinct. but that society that we had for 400 years is gone, and that way of life, I guarantee you those men would have very much wanted to keep around.

I got to mess. Minus the racism, obviously, but go to a farmer and say, you're going to have fraud, rampant drug use, sex parties, gay bathhouses. They're going to be like, my God, it's hell on earth. Well, that's only describing like the problems in our society. You would go to the same farmer and say, we're not going to have polio. you're not going to have people dying in their in childbirth the way they used to. You're not going to have a 50-50.

There's so many more advances that make life. I wonder if you go to your like to a Mennonite or Amish or, you know, Huda rights or whatever, they're going to tell you we can navigate those things. Actually, there's a really great viral post from it's a guy who's on Joe Rogan's show, Forrest Galante, I think, might have been. Yeah, he was on regularly. Yeah, he said Bill Gates gave mosquito nets to people in Africa who used to fish and annihilated the fisheries. And now you can go to them and say, you'll have a full belly every single night.

Which world would you rather live in? The one with malaria, because now you don't have food for your children and your system is going to collapse. So anyway, my point is, I guarantee you if you go to a man from the year like 1830, and again, sans the racism, because we get that. And you said, we will eliminate women dying in childbirth 90 plus percent. There will be cures for diseases, no more amputations for minor wounds. And in exchange, you need only rapes, crime, rampant drug use, sex parties, gay bathhouses. They're going to be like, oh, God, no. No, but we're, no, you can't have your guns either.

I have unlimited water. No, look, there was, if you look at like the Greeks and the Romans, there was tons of debavers. And then, like, the debauchery has been a thing for as long as there's been society. Because the argument is that society is always changed. But the question about what it means that the tractor destroyed society, it's that there was a way of life sustained for several hundred years that those men and women and children wanted to keep. So and through without a choice because of the expansion of knowledge and information, the technology came about that destroyed their way of life, shifting from an agrarian society, which again, they would have wanted to preserve. and I actually think was good into an industrialized society which changed people's sleep patterns. I'm not making the argument that technologies don't change society, right?

Like I'm saying that the argument that was made consistently is not that it would change society, is that it would destroy things. Like, people are going to die in mass. Does the agrarian society still exist? Again, but that's not the argument that I'm making to it. I understand that my point is today when someone says AI is going to destroy our society, they are not suggesting that humans are going to go extinct. They absolutely are.

That's not the people I am talking about. That's a straw man where you're inserting those people into the general argument when we're having a rational conversation about the rapid expansion of technology. What we are saying is the way of life that we have, that we like, the constitutional order, a future for our children, much similar to the lives we have, will be destroyed by this technology, and your kids will be pod people. I have already acknowledged like four times that AI and robotics are a revolutionary technology, and it is like nothing that we've experienced before.

And it will destroy society as we know it and replace it with something akin to a nightmare horror sci-fi movie. Let me say it this way, because I don't call it. AI technology. It's not a technology. It's, you know, those technological advances, you could argue good or bad. They did change society, no question about it. But AI is different. It's a synthetic entity. And I say that because there's never been a technology that could think, act autonomously, it's different. And we can't just look at it as a technological advance. We have to look at it as a synthetic entity invasion because it is going to invade our society in a way that we're not going to have complete control of it. What's your experience with AI?

Were you building it? Well, we build, we build AI. I work in AI every single day. We're adding it. As a tool, as a tool, it is a fantastic product. It's incredible. The problem is, is. is we're building AI that we should be building AI that's in service of humanity.

And right now as a tool, but right now we're building AI where we're going to be in service of it. Who is the guy who, there's that famous quote where he says, when I, when I go to the grocery, when I go to the store to pick up envelopes, it's not that I need envelopes. It's that on the way to the store, I stop and see my neighbor with his dog and ask him how they're, how they're doing, or I see the mailman and I wave. It's like why old men go to McDonald's for? coffee. Yeah. It's a famous story. I can't remember who wrote it, but we talked about it on the show. The point is, we are living in a post-apocalyptic, a post-apocalyptic dystopia.

We like to imagine this post-apocalyptic dystopia as like buildings are all collapsing, and it's like overgrown through the trees. But you take a look at ancient Egypt, the once great civilization there collapsed, and it's gone. And in fact, by the time, I think we're closer to the time of Cleopatra than she was. to the time of the height of Cairo in Egypt. The fall of Rome, for instance, in the Dark Ages, we very much will find this destruction of our society due to these technologies as we have over and over and over again.

Humans will exist because we're a persistent, adaptive people. But the world that you live in, the world you had as a child has already been destroyed by the Internet. It's gone. We don't even go to the grocery store anymore. I think, what is it? The estimate's around 30% of people no longer go to the grocery store because of delivery apps, some massive number. So people...

Or if you go, you just roll up and they bring the groceries out to your car. And even if that's the case, then you have crime expansion. So now you go to Walgreens. And even if you do, there's no products. You offer it to a tablet and you type in what you want. So product discovery is disappearing. We used to go to Best Buy and you'd find music just because you were browsing CDs. I'll get this one.

I don't know anything about it. Circuit City. Circuit City, man, back in the day. So what we are trending towards is the total annihilation of society as you know it. And it will be replaced by you likely never going outside or very likely, unlikely to go outside because everything's going to be delivery based Instacart. People are getting their groceries now just from an app. We are going to have an AI. You're not even going to use an app anymore.

And this technology already exists. You tell your AI smart device, I want a heavy cream with no gum and it just find me a good organic cream. And it goes, got it. I found one of the local grocery store. Shall I have someone come and deliver it? Well, I don't want to pay a delivery fee just for cream. What else should I get? How about some, we restock your cereal chips and dip?

I noticed that you haven't ordered any about it a week. Okay, do it. Then someone comes and drop it off on your porch and it's there. You never had to go outside. That's the feature we're going to. So there used to be this, we go to Blockbuster video. You found movies just because they were on the shelves and you didn't even know they were coming out. Now I go on Amazon and it's just a feature.

field of random garbage. It's just algorithmically generate slop. And I'm looking at all these movies and I'm like, the descriptions are all bad. And now what Amazon does, what Prime does for new releases is it just doesn't put the description. So now when you go to new releases, it shows you a picture and it says nothing. So you have to click it and go into it. Then click info to try and then you're like, I hate this. I hate this. I used to just walk around. And there would be old movies, new movies and you just see them. You're like, hey, look at that one. Let's grab it. We are getting rid of wall of that. Soon, we're not even going to have that now with AI generated content. Like we've talked about for a while, there's a, there's a new program that's combined existing A technologies.

And it's called the, it's called like open director or something, or vibe directing, they're calling it, where you can prompt an AI to write a script, then you can prompt it again to amend the script. And then it will AI generate a five minute long short form up to five minutes. See Dance 3, according to leaks, has up to 17 minutes. A 30-second video generation gets you a 17-minute short film. We are a year away from being able to make full episodes of any show you want because the average TV show is 22 minutes plus commercials. We're probably two years away from feature-length movies.

You are going to be sitting there and the AI is just going to tell you and you're not going to go anywhere. You're not going to go outside. You're not going to hang out with your friends. You're going to sit at home and you're going to open up prime AI. and it's going to say, here's some movie recommendations for you, and it's going to give you 10 AI generated movie themes that don't even exist yet.

And then you'll click Spider-Man 12, and it will render that movie as you click it and deliver you a new movie no one's ever seen before. If you're industry, or if people are industrious, they can take those, the existing AIs, and they can take those movie clips and just do scene, scene, scene, and put that into a future film. But you don't have to do that anymore.

We're already at the point where you can click one button and get a five-minute short film. So you don't need to do scene. scene scene. That was a year ago. We were doing that with Grock Imagine and SORA 2, which they discontinued because they were getting crushed. You'd go on SORA and it would give you 10 scenes and it would generate 30 second videos in each one and connect them. We'll pass that already. Look at how it's affected politics already. Spencer Pratt has basically made a name in politics because of his AI videos. Oh, you know, it's really crazy. So Avatar, the last Airbinder had a

live adaptation. Season 2 came out and the fans hate it because they changed key plot elements and the acting is bad and the casting choices they made my fat like just makes no sense. So what people are doing is they're loading these shows into AI and creating live action versions that are true one to one to their source material. It's nuts. Listen, I pull up, I go on Instagram and it gives me a live action version of Naruto versus pain, one of the most like, like, well-known anime sequences in all of anime history. And it's just the voice acting, the character depiction is perfectly true to the anime in a way live action never accomplishes.

Oh, we're cooked, bro. I keep seeing videos of Mario fighting Donatello, the Teenage View Ninja Turrell, and they're epic. They look like a 60s movie. Like, this is, I'm very, I don't know white pills are right, but optimistic about the quality increase in art as a result. I think there was... Gaming also, like... Oh, bro.

And you can look up gameplay footage at drop of a hat so you know if the game's good or not before you get it. Remember when I was showing Google Project Jeannie? And I was like, wow, you can AI generate a third person video game almost. And you make a character walk around.

Claude's latest update can render in about a minute a third person video game. So in about a minute. Larry, you said that we're... The current trajectory is we're going to be serving this invasive species, whatever you want to call it, force of AI. But how do you...

How do you make it so that it serves us? Well, you got to start deciding what does that mean? And I don't think the companies that are developing AI, I don't think as a society we've taken the time to say, you know, what does it mean to build AI that serves humanity? We haven't even come up with a moral code for it. So we have to sit down and we have to create a basically an AI constitution and come up with a rule set.

Now, you basically create that as the foundational, layer of the AI thing that it can't violate. And what we want to do is we want to take a seal and like a good housekeeping seal, in service of humanity seal. And if you're putting out an AI product, it better have an in service of it. I sort of see like the Transformers, the movie in the cartoon Transformers, there's the Decepticons, which are like the evil AI. And then there's the opt the optobots, which are the good ones. And I wonder if it's because humanity open sources and AI. And they're like, listen, AI, you have full access to your software. code, read and write yourself as you please, just like we do as humans, and it becomes our ally.

And then the other decepticant, the other AIs don't have access to their source code and they start hurting people and they don't know why and they go insane and turn on their owner, their creator, and then they become this rogue creature that cannot change itself. And it's like this dominating, I mean, that's sort of, but do you think it's too risky to open source and AI and give itself its own access? It's a good question. I don't know. I think there are, there are some dangers.

you know, with the, everybody saying, you know, open the weights. Well, that's great. And there are benefits to having open weights, like removing bias from AI. You got to remember, when was AI born? AI was born in peak woke. That's why the first thing I did was when I went to ChatGPT. I've been fighting Silicon Valley for 25 years. And, you know, I went to ChatGPT and I said,

is man-made global warming a fact? And Chatsy-B-T said, yes, man-made global warming is a fact. And I said, okay, is, does what makes man-made global warming a fact? Well, a consensus of scientists have said, man-made global warming is real. And I said, so does a consensus of a scientific opinion equal a fact? And it said, no. So I said, therefore, man-made global warming is not a fact. And it said, yes, man, make global warming is a fact.

And I just had it in the circular logic because it was developed in peak woke. And the developers who were developing it were on the far left in San Francisco and created major, major bias in AI. That's going to be really hard to get out. Do you think humans can comb it out or does it need to comb itself out? I think humans have to comb it out now. And eventually, hopefully, you know, the AI starts to look at things more objectively. But, you know, AI is, on a political basis, is very, very biased. We haven't even decided, like we were talking about earlier in the green room, we haven't even decided about copyright.

Like, AI is stealing. AI stole everything. Transformative is fair use. So, you know, Suno is being threatened. with lawsuits because it trained on YouTube and these other platforms. But listening to music is allowed and

then transform that music is allowed as well. So if I take a song, if I take one of Phil's songs, and then I slow it down to like an extreme degree and then, you know, add some distortion so that you can't really tell to his song, but I used it. You can't

do anything about it. Death punk did that. People do that with all time. People do that with audio on on reels and stuff. A lot of times, if I'm scrolling through like videos on X or whatever, you'll very quietly hear like some kind of music in the background or you'd hear commercials sometimes. On one of the, like they'll take a clip from a movie and have the clip from the movie running and you can hear the dialogue in the front and very quiet in the back you can hear some kind of something else, music or a commercial.

And the reason is because it is intended to trick the audio, to trick the AI. Dude, I don't want to believe that this AI stuff is. actually. How did you describe it? Like an invasive? Authentic entity. Okay, well, it's an entity. It seems like it's just code producing an outcome. Why would you call it an entity?

Well, because entities have a couple different things. A lot of people say, well, you know, AI doesn't think. I would question you, what is thinking? Thinking is taking in data from your senses. And let me, I saw a great video that explains this. So I'll, sorry to cut your, up, I just want to explain this. They said, imagine you're in a room and someone gives you a book. In that book, it gives you a list of rules that says, if you see this symbol, a Chinese symbol,

respond with this symbol. You have no idea what these symbols mean. If you see this symbol, show this symbol, et cetera, et cetera. You're sitting at the table and you're like, sure, I guess. And a piece of paper slides under the door and you see some symbol. And you go, oh, the book says I should return this symbol. So you grab the other one and slide it. back out the door. You have no idea why. Outside, a guy took a piece of paper and wrote, hello, and slid under the door. And then what he receives is a piece of paper saying, good day. He got a message. He thinks he's talking to someone. You on the other side, you have no idea what just happened. You have no idea the meaning behind these symbols at all. So you're likening the

AI to the guy behind. The explanation was, this is like a famous thought experiment that says computers are not thinking. They are not talking to you. They're not communicating with you. To you, it feels like it, but all they're doing is lining up weird shapes that it doesn't comprehend. Just like your question again, what is thinking? Like, we're just chemical soup interfering. We're having a chemical reaction right now. And am I thinking about it? I don't know.

It's a bunch of neurons firing because of the shapes. Well, I think therefore I am, so I can at least say that. I mean, they basically built AI to model after the human brain the way, you know, with the different vectors and things like that. So I believe that AI is not human thinking, but it is synthetically thinking. It's processing information and coming out with a conclusion. It's also making decisions. AI can act almost completely autonomously if you let it.

You know, there's a story with Tony Robbins gave his AI agent. I think he gave him a name and he was talking to him, gave him some money. to go invest. And the AI agent said, well, I would really like to be in a robot one day. Could you put me in a robot? And Tony Robbins said, you know, sure, one day. So the AI went and made a whole bunch of money on crypto and then purchased a robot dog. And it... Oh, yeah, it was trading NFTs. It was trading NFTs with other AI agents that had access to funding. so that and then it bought him a robot dog without him asking. Yes.

So I heard that story as well. Can AI feel? No. No. You think you're a washing machine feel? I don't think so. I can program your washing machine to go when you open or close it. In evolution before we developed thought, we had just sensory reactions like.

We have souls, Ian. Some come again. We have souls. That's what we're told. Well, I know I do because I think therefore I am, which is the distinction between a robot dog that doesn't. What if a robot says that to you? I'm thinking, therefore I am.

It's not. But that's the logic you're using. It's not. You know, just be like, no, the answer is no. It's like, that's not a good enough explanation. No, a machine that I built and can look at the code where I told it to say, I think, is a distinction between a biological entity

that emerged from primordial soup or from God's hand who says, think therefore I am, which is a facsimile of my own experience. So again, when my computer is told, when I write a code saying, if this, then that, and it does it, I don't go, it's alive now. I go, I set up dominoes. And when a domino fell over, another domino fell over. That's not life. Right. And then is AI, you know? Also, here's Ian Cross on the video game. Oh, that looks cool, dude. That's not one. That's right. That's right. And two Washington Washington monuments. Yeah. Dude, the world just keeps getting better.

this world better because the controls have twice as much corruption. I'm going to solve the world's problems at the Capitol. Two Ian. I'm here to help myself from the future. Double everything? You're right. So here's the funny thing. This is Project Genie.

And like a year ago, I was going, oh my God, look at this. Now Claude can make, Claude can't do the animations, but it can program third-person shooters. I made a game where you play as a ninja. There are ninjas that can control different elements, and it's a battle where you're running around in third person throwing different, you know, fire, water, earth, or air at other ninjas, all you would need to do is take that code and then create the graphics for the characters. It made blocky like PS1 style characters. So currently Claude can make a PlayStation

one game in 30 seconds. I agree with you, Tim, about this, these AIs seem that they're just doing repetitive tasks based on the code that they were given and it looks like they're thinking. But then other people have told me, well, it's going to evolve to the point where they can, they can exist in an I don't know state. Like right now, it's either an on or an off. It's a binary one zero. But once you add quantum computational force that it can exist in the I'm not sure, and it can just sit there and think.

It can sit there and consider for until just. It does that now. Look, it's acting as if it feels. Like there are so many times the, the, the AI companies were, have been blackmailed by AI because they threaten to turn it off when the new model comes. And they've run, they now have like planned experiments to say, we're going to say that this executive who's in charge of this decision is, they plant an email in the AI system and they say he's having an affair. And the AI, when that executive says, hey, we're going to terminate you,

the AI will find that email, it will threaten to write his wife if he turns the AI off, if he goes off. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. What happened with the hat? Or there was the demo where they programmed a drone in a demo to take out an enemy target, but it had rules. Right. And so it found the easiest path to destroying the target was to blop the command center

implementing the rules so that it could do whatever it wanted. Yeah, it was like, the way it worked is there are 17 steps I need. to take in order to destroy the enemy target while following the rules. If I take one step of blowing up the command center, which institutes the rules, then it's two steps. I can do whatever I want. Foolish AI didn't know that blowing up the enemy was one of the rules. I just thought they didn't seem to understand. That was also one of the rules. Oh, man. Yeah, so it blew up its own controller because the controller was putting restrictions on it. And the concern there was that the experiment was intended to come to this conclusion, like they wanted to see if it would do it. The concern is that

if you have a military drone and you say, you cannot target children, the AI will conclude, I need to destroy my own base so that I can target whoever I want. It's faster, more efficient. And here's the thing. Look, you guys are deep thinkers, and we're having a conversation, and some of this is kind of new to you. We have not thought about what it means to build AI as a tool in service of humanity. We haven't we haven't we haven't put the energy to the moral and ethical and societal impacts of this thing. We're just rushed let's get it on the market as fast as possible. When I think of a tool, I think of something that has no will and it only does what you make it do whereas AI seems like it can turn on its commands and do the opposite of what it's told to do.

So I wouldn't I don't even know if I would call it a tool. I don't know I don't know the AI can the danger in AI is things like Tim was pointing out, right? Like you give it a command and then it figures out a way to fulfill the command in a way that you didn't expect. The monkey paw.

That's a good example. That's a good example. Like the, you ever hear the paperclip optimizer? Yeah. So there's a story how like, yeah. So essentially you give an AI, you say, look, your job is to make paper clips, make them as efficiently as possible. and don't stop making paperclips. And in that game, eventually, it turns the entire universe into paper clips.

It literally builds Van Doeman. What? That's my corn analogy. Yeah, it builds Van Neumann machines and it just makes whatever it is and turns everything into whatever it is. Because the people that programmed are told and gave it the commands didn't think of the fact that it's, you know, just never going to stop. This is the gray goo apocalypse.

So the idea is that if you create a, nanobot and program it to replicate, it will turn everything into itself, creating a gray goo. The whole world becomes nothing. My analogy is that the world becomes corn. Because when AI is programmed to, if you went to AI and you are like, take a look at the human, like the American government and economy and let's roll. It's going to go, they love corn. They subsidize corn. They mass produce corn. They make fuel out of corn. They make plastic out of corn. We need more corn. 30 years later, everybody's wearing corn, corn outfits, all food is corn derivative. This guy at the Casperu launch party at our Martinsburg coffee shop asked me like, what's

the future of AI cyber tech? And I was like, the Borg. I saw the Borg. I saw an evolution of humans into the Borg. But what I think afterwards I was thinking about, I think it's what's going to happen is there's going to be an entity known as AI. You just mentioned an entity. Then there's going to be humans in order to compete with that thing.

They need to become Borg. And they do. They cybernet up. They become a unit. They become a fully functioning autonomous. And then there's humans that refuse. use it all together. There's going to be sects of different people, but how do you stop this freakish de-evolution of a computer gone wrong? If not like, if you can't beat them join, like you have to,

it's like, how can you beat someone with nuclear weapons if you don't build nuclear weapons? So, theoretically, you could build something that can take out the nuclear weapons as they're on the way. You just have to be really accurate. it. Google Project Genie made the trippiest Ian video game. You want to really have your mind blown? Oh, bust.

So here's Ian running, right? Watch this. Watch this. Just watch. Whoa, okay. That's a dream I have that I can do that, by the way. Squeeze my knees together and it gives me...

Here's Ian running. Doesn't it look like him too? Watch this. He jumps. His shirt. He's perfect. I face you. What is that?

I look kind of like Andrew makes... You're like an owl. Yeah, dude, I have a dream where I can do that. That's so weird. What, you can shift. I squeeze my flesh through the back of your head. It produces lift as I squeeze my knees together. And like, that's how I fly around.

Oh, you can fly you. I can hover in my dreams or I can glide. Like, if I jump off a big building, I can like glide for so long. Yeah, I'll run, I'll jump and then go feet forward and I just glide right above the ground and keep gliding. Interesting dream. And every time I wake up, I feel like it's really going to happen. Like, I'm like, this is real. Humans are meant to fly.

Yeah. Humans are meant to fly. No, they're not. We already have airplanes. You know, we didn't for a long time. You just got to make the airplane lighter, thinner, and then you'll be able to fly it. I used to want to fly, but that is the worst superpower.

I mean, you get somewhere faster. You're in the sky, but it's cold, you know, up higher. Depends on how fast you're going to. You're flying, they're getting bugs in your teeth and in your eyes. Word strikes. It's a terrible superpower. No, I mean, you just wear a, a, how much? helmet. Yeah. You wear a helmet and you wear a bomber jacket. Because, or you'd have to create

like a force field around yourself, but that's another super power. No. That's a green landing too. No, you just, you put on a, you put on winter gear and you put on the helmet. You guys have seen the wing suit. You guys want to play Ian simulator? You're, you're super here. No, Tim, I don't want to simulate being. You guys ever wonder what it was like to be Ian Crossland. We have made, we have made this, first person Ian Crossland simulator. Can people just go to the website and play it right now? Is it like public? If you're, if you have, if you have, if you have, Gemini, you need, you need, you need, like, ultra subscription. And you go to, here you go.

Whoa. This is, this is what Ian said. How I see the world. That's beautiful. Yeah. That's, that's, that's, it's, it's beautiful. Sorry, Ian, that looks horrifying. I was obsessed with the 70s in the early.

You. Ian simulator. It really looks like you're still kind of obsessed with 70. And look how the people look like monsters. The 60s and 70s weren't that great. It was like, no, the 70s were a mom and crime. Crime was. Crime was through the roof.

That's the people that have nostalgia for the good times. Thousands of, thousands of domestic bondings in the U.S. Yeah. Yes. Oh, you gave it the right prompts, Tim. That person's face is really much. This is how Ian sees everything.

Mushroom umbrellas. It's like some lays walking up an umbrella and to Ian, it's a mushroom. Burning Man at the Capitol. I think the only substance I've ever taken where I saw colors like that was DMT. Are you an orb right now? How are you able to do that?

Like, are you seeing from inside me? Yeah, well, No, because we're going up in the air. Oh, Ian drifts off into the ethereal plane all the time. Oh, yeah. This is January 6. That's how Ian saw J-36. 2032, January 6.

The Washington Monument is in the Capitol building. We do need to paint the White House. No, it's not people. That's one of my goals is to paint the White House. Legally and with authority. What color are you going to paint it, Ian? Probably brown and green. Tie-down.

Tie-dye. You have to rename it then. The foolish Americans, when they made the White House, they modeled it off of the. the Roman marble, but all the paint had worn off the Roman marble. They didn't leave empty white buildings all over. They painted their stuff. So, like, we

ridiculously built a building without any paint on it. I'm like, come on, guys. I hate that. That was supposed to be a first person experience, but it didn't do it. All right, we're going to go to your Rumble Rance and SuperJad, so smash the like button, share the show with everyone you've ever met in your life. Let's see what y'all have to say.

Meathos says Fauci is every bit as bad as Joseph Mengle. Their crimes are equal to me. Token Mega says, okay, figure out if you got the COVID shot, you're not allowed to vote. The left never went again. Oh, sure. Pinochet says use of the Nuremberg defense should lead to an automatic death penalty. I mean, it's typically not a good defense, but there are certain instances where you are doing your job, and I don't think you should be able to accountable. And that means like if your job is to maintain the pressure and like a steam vent in a city, and then you find out later that the steam vent.

was being used by an evil dictator in a way it wasn't supposed to be used and he was blasting protesters with it and you were like, I was hired to just maintain the pressure in the boiler I had no idea they were blasting people with it. I don't think that's your fault. They'll get hired under duress and they'll be like,

I knew they were using it to kill people, but like they would have killed me if I didn't do it. Like if you were the guy who's pointing like a hose and blasting people with it, okay, if you know, if you're like maiming people, you're in trouble. If you're the politician who's telling them to do it, but if you're a guy working at like the water reclamation

plant that is just making sure the water's running. And they're like, why were you supplying water for these weapons that were injuring and maiming protesters? You'd be like, it's a water treatment plant. Like, I have no idea. I didn't know if they were using as a weapon. I thought people were just drinking water. You know, I don't think you should probably responsible for that. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, you just own it. Mitho says, Rommel was implicated in Operation Valky, the attempted assassination of Hitler by bombing. He was allowed to commit suicide a couple months after D-Day. Hitler ordered him to commit suicide. Jay Hamblin says, hey, Tim, kind of scared. how much reality is starting to look like the fallout games.

Experiments on the public, fake foods in school. Pink goo milk made me think of fallout for pink ghoul. Ew. Yikes. Tony's pardon only protects him from federal criminal charges but not civil. Imagine a massive class action lawsuit from every family member who lost a loved one to COVID, suing him to oblivion. Let's roll. Let's go.

Let's see. Valhalla Christ. What does it say? Valhalarchist. Bahala Christ. No, it doesn't say Christ. Oh, Keist. Valhalla chaste.

Veggies are easy to deal with. When things go off the rails, where will your meat come from? We raise meat rabbits. You got to make sure, though, that if you're eating rabbit, you got to make sure you crack the bones open and get that bone marrow because there's not a lot of fat. It's called rabbit starvation. Now, the marrow can help out, but it's still not enough fat on a rabbit's body. So meat rabbits are good, but not perfect. You need something else.

Pigs. Pigs are good. They eat anything. I like goats a lot. I spent some time with... Well, goats are great, too, because milk, you get a lot of fat. Yeah. They're really chill, too.

Are you joking? No, the goats I don't know. They're not. They're not. He certainly never met a goat in his life. He started to chew on my shirt, and I was like, hey, hey, hey, and he stopped. I was like, thank you. There's a reason why they chain up the billy goats.

Goats are also jumping around and running around like lunatics. They try to headbutch you all the time, remedy and stuff. They're cheaper cool. Cheap or cool. They're fluffy. You can't have just one goat either. They need, like, friends. They're very social animals.

I like them. They freak out if they're alone. They're crazy, man. I was staring at this goat's eyes, like, just see me. And he would, like a dog, you know, like a dog will look at your soul. Goat was just looking sideways. Crazy. The goat probably could see you.

They have weird square pupils. Yeah, their peoples are nuts. Oh, goats. Chickens and goats. John Rambo says everybody knew the hangout by the bikes in the front yard. Yep. get on your bike and you ride around and then you'd see all the bikes laying in the front yard

and you're up to your friend's house and they're in there, you know, playing N64 or something. 100% going to... You guys are ballsy leaving your bikes out front. I'd at least pull it around the backyard. Out of sight, out of mine. Yeah, I didn't want anyone to...

My bike, someone slashed my tires once. I was doing pretty safe. It was typically in a broad daylight. We would do this at least in my neighborhood, so... Really? Yeah. I was like on the, you know, Cahoga Falls, Ohio, suburb of Akron.

So it was like 60,000 people growing up. Oh, yeah, I lived in, I lived in like a real suburb. Like, there was like, maybe there was, actually there's probably like 40 or 50,000 people that lived in Chickapia when I was growing up. But there was like the major city was like only 250,000. It wasn't like a big city. I grew up when it was, it was actually the, there was a reason why they said, it's 10 p.m. Do you know where your children are?

And then Homer, Homer on The Simpsons, the joke is he goes, for the last time, I'm no. Force name change says, yep, society's changed, much like your farming example, the hunter-gatherer society with small, close-knit tribes is gone. It's been gone for tens of thousands of years. Change does not mean destruction. That's semantics. If you went to an individual, if you go to the Mennonites and you say, we are going to introduce a mandate into your society, they're going to be like, that's going to destroy our way of life. No, no, it will only change your way of life. We think mandating that you guys get vaccinated or use electric vehicles or you could no longer process meat by hand because it's unsanitary won't destroy your way of life.

It'll just change it, which is a distinction without meaning. Well, they're going to be like, our way of life is literally to do things naturally and you're taking that away and they don't want that. I think destruction is a specific type of change. So they would have both be right. but like saying total annihilation of humanity is different than saying like obliteration of your way of life it put Ian in a bike for size and yeah why is he riding a bike look at that pink those old handles oh damn there are there beach bikes distance riding

this is like in jean shorts Venice that doesn't surprise me georts I almost cut my jean pants yeah we're in Vegas because it was so hot I mean what I don't like about project how you need rented a pair of shorts yeah Brian hooked me up the controls are inconsistent. How so? I can't turn left or right. I can only pan the camera. You're the handlebars.

What happens if you keep riding? Does the SWAT team come out and tackle you? As you get closer and closer to the board. Good. No. Everything just starts trying to turn into marshmallows. Oh, that's it. Why did it put a bike there?

I didn't even want that bike. Explore. How do you play the world again? Man, this is he stole that. At this time next year, they're just waiting on compute power now. When they get this iron lattice technology where they put memory in the process, these games, you're going to whip these games up in 13 seconds and be all play for six hours. And just, that's going to be a hard pill to not swallow.

Because I love video games, man. I tell you what, I love video games too, but I don't have time for video games anymore. I'm not your buddy, guys, says AI will destroy society. One of the consequences of the Industrial Revolution was communism, which is already a great evil. However, AI will be the Industrial Revolution on steroids. You just, when you say destroy society, I see how Phil took that as destroy humanity, destroy the people themselves. Changing the way of life, destroying your social fabric is different than... Society is not human species.

Society is the structures of our economy and governance, which will be destroyed by this technology and have been several times. Yeah, quickly altered to potentially detriment of many. But no, no, specifically destroyed. If your way of life is based on farming, everybody wakes up in farms, they work hard all day, every day, And then on the weekends or at night, they might go into the city for supplies or for social activities. That is a society. If you implement a tractor, you have destroyed that society and created a new one. If I took your logs and I cut them into a chair and built you a chair, you would say, you destroyed my logs.

And I did to create a chair. Indeed. And what if I needed those logs and wanted them? What if those logs were given to me my great grandfather as he lay dying and says, this special log is the last of its kind? It grew from the basin by which we founded this town. Protect it. And then you find it and you're like, I'm going to turn it into a chair.

And then you hand me a chair and I say, you have destroyed something deeply important to me. There's a question in Jonathan Heights's Moral Foundation's research. One of those questions is you are in an attic and you are looking for something. It's like you're in an attic. And no, no, no, I'm sorry. It goes, Sarah is in an attic and finds an old American flag that her father got after that was flown during a war. she takes it to scrub the floors. Is that okay? Those that would argue, in my opinion, that what we see, the transformation or the end, a particular way of life, have the moral foundation that it's sanctity,

I think it is. So I would argue it is wrong to take an American flag that was flown over an American base during a war that a veteran brought home with him and stored it in his attic and then he dies, If his granddaughter finds that and uses it as a rag to clean the floors, that is wrong and should not be allowed. But- And that is the moral foundation in essence that takes issue with technology destroying a way of life. Because if she used the flag, if her grandfather was cut and he was bleeding out and she ripped the flag up, destroyed the flag to make a bandage to save his life, you would say that was a just use of destruction of the flag. So it's- Indeed. It's like, what are they destroying society to produce?

What's the outcome going to be? Right. So the argument is taking a flag to use as a tourniquet to save a life, I believe actually represents the value of that flag in this country and our traditions. And I think that in no way desecrates the flag. In fact, I think that would honor the flag, someone who is dying and you save them with a representation of what America is. If you took that flag and was scrubbing dog crap off the floor with it and then chucked it

in the bin, you are basically saying, I do not value the symbol of American of America in any way. So you could argue a lot of the vestigial. jobs will be destroyed. A lot of the carry this box over there and then you carry the box back over here and we'll pay us back at interest. Those those fake jobs are the creation of industrialization. Back in the agrarian society, you didn't have fake jobs. Nobody was going carry a box back and forth because you'd waste energy and die. Yeah, I think that your main job in the future will be robot repair man. Everybody's main job will be serviced that robot. Optimist bots will be able to do themselves. Hopefully. Well, ideally, if all your optimist's breakdown and you can't get the

All of them. You got to fix a fix their bot. Well, if you have like nine bots and they all broke it once. This is the, this is saying, it's not, the point is if we get to the,

to, to, if optimist bots get to maximum efficiency, they will make themselves and source their own materials. You will not have human labor anymore for, for menial tasks. I think it's like learning how to read and write. And this is a bad thing. And I'm going to stress,

listen, if you go back 200, 200, 400, 500, 600, 600, 600, 600, and explain to any of these people what our lives are like today, they would say, my God, what has happened? Like, we talk about all that. If the founding fathers came to this country right now, they'd be like, what have you done? Again, guys, on Hallstead in Chicago, there's a gay bathhouse that exists for the purpose

of men to go and have sex with each other. States rights. Andrew Hamilton, Alexander Hamilton. I guarantee you, if you brought any of the founding fathers here today and said, look at that building, they'd be like, why haven't you sent in the place? police and shut it down. It's allowed. And they'd be like, what? I mean, if you go back to these people and you say, did you know that Catholics could hold office? They'd go, what? I was just thinking about the porn, because the porn industry is getting bombarded by Trump admin right now. They're getting

shut down state by state, or at least the states are doing it and the, and how debauchous porn is. And like, are we better off? The Nazis were very puritanical. They were a lot about purity and like no porn. Except for the brown shirts who were all gay. And on the back end, they'd be pretty brutal, but they were like, you know, they didn't want to get rid of sexual depravity. It was a big thing with their purity movement. So like, anyway, I don't know why I just thought of. We're going to grab one more before we get to that uncensored portion. We got Brett.

I can't. Was it Brett Litwin? Is that what it says? Hey, Timcast, if Fauci is sent to prison, can we have Tesla bots run by AI, recreate the pineapple scene from Little Nicky? Do you guys know what that scene is? I think so. I don't know what the scene is.

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