Timcast IRL - Elon & Trump Threaten To NUKE GOP Reps Who Support CORRUPT Spending Bill w/Ron Coleman

Episode Date: December 19, 2024

Tim, Phil, & Elaad are joined by Ron Coleman to discuss Trump & Elon threatening GOP reps attempting to pass corrupt spending bill, congress attempting to ban AI images of politicians, the collapse of American culture, and California declaring a state of emergency over Bird Flu. Hosts:  Tim @Timcast (everywhere) Phil @PhilThatRemains (X) Elaad @elaadeliahu (X) Serge @SergeDotCom (everywhere) Guest: Ron Coleman @RonColeman (X) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Well, that's happening now. Trump and Elon Musk have basically said they will primary any Republican who supports this bill voting yes, because it is full of pork and bloat and garbage. But I got to say, one of my favorite, favorite pieces of this that's gone viral is that they're going to eliminate the word offender in legal proceedings and change it to justice involved person. Because you're a justice involved person when you punch an old lady in the face on a train and threaten to kill them. Right. That's what they're focused on. But there's also $60 billion for Ukraine.

And just in general, there's a massive, massive amount of random garbage that makes no sense. Some criticism is that there seems to be a provision that would actually protect the House from investigations. So if Kash Patel or Pam Bondi wanted to, say, subpoena some House data into the J6 subcommittee issues, they would be blocked by this in this continuing resolution, though it would only be temporary still. So it may be DOA with Trump basically saying he is going to primary any Republican who supports it. That's massive. It seems like X has had a tremendous amount of pressure on Trump's choices. It's resulted in him firing people before they even got hired. It's been actually pretty incredible. So we'll talk about that. And I almost thought we should lead with the other story. That

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Hey. Who are you? Jewish. I was going to say, what are you? Let's just get right to it, though. Let's not kid ourselves. That's what, I mean, the entire chat is obsessed with the Hebraic nature of tonight's program.

Here I am. Ron's just here to sign my checks. That's right. I was going to say, since when are you taking checks? I thought I saw him pulling like a big bag of gold. Like as he was walking up the stairs. We called him Shekels. Shekels.

A big bag of Shekels. We called him Shekels. So when I saw that he was tweeting that Israeli flag today, and he's a bigger Zionist than I am. I wake up in the morning with a bunch of people posting pictures of me with a yarmulke on. That was a really... My heart melted when I saw that.

I wanted to adopt you. The picture of me with the yarmulke on. The yarmulke and the peyas. Yeah. You look so adorable. So I woke up and I'm like, I just tweeted the Israeli flag. I thought it was funny.

And then I realized it generated a lot of attention. And I'm like, that's what gets you paid on X. So maybe those people who are mad about it will make some money for me. But Ron's a lawyer, commentator, and he's here. I'm here. Ron Coleman, lawyer, commentator, podcaster. Ron Coleman. Colemanation is the name of my podcast.

And I'm really happy to be here. Thanks for hanging out. We have another Jew here. What's up? We're doubling down on Jews for tonight, so I know some people out there are keeping count. Add a couple more ticks to that one. My name's Alad Eliyahu. I'm a fields reporter and Jewish affairs correspondent.

A little bit redundant at this point. What's up, Phil? Hello, everybody. My name is Phil Labonte. I am Goyim. I am the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains. I'm a Goy, not I am Goyim. I am the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains. I'm a Goy, not I am Goyim. I am a Goy.

You have a split personality. And I am an anti-communist. Oh, that's plural. Is that what it is? Oh, we'll see. Will you learn something? One Goy. Goy.

You are Goyish. Oh, they're going to make that a good meme. How do we get so Jewish so quickly? Tonight's going to be a great show, man. I do think it's perfect timing considering all the memes that both of you are here. I mean, Elad's usually here, but having Ron here is going to make that a good meme. We get so Jewish so quickly. Tonight's going to be a great show, man. I do think it's perfect timing considering all the memes that both of you are here. I mean, Elad's usually here, but having Ron here is going to be great. So let's jump into the news. We got this one from CNBC.

Oh, that's the wrong one. Whoops. From CNBC, Trump joins Elon Musk in opposing House GOP's government funding bill. President-elect Donald Trump opposes a government funding bill backed by Republican House Speaker Mike Johnson. Trump's stance aligns with Elon Musk, who railed against the proposed continual resolution. We actually have the statement from Donald Trump right here on Truth Social. He said, if Republicans try to pass a clean, continuing resolution without all of the Democrat bells and whistles that will be so destructive to our country, all it will do after January 20th is bring the mass of the debt limit into the Trump administration rather than allowing it to take place in the Biden administration.

Any Republican that would be so stupid as to do this should and will be primaried. Everything should be done and fully negotiated prior to my taking office on January 20th, 2025. Elon Musk, of course, said something similar. Anyone who votes for the spending deal should lose their reelection. I love it. Yeah. I mean, let's take a look at some of what's in here. We've got libs of TikTok.

The new congressional resolution includes funding for at least 12 new biolabs. So that's something nobody wants, especially considering 2020. We've got this one from Eddie Johnson. The woke continuing resolution bill mentions changing the term offender to justice involved individual. Oh, I like that. Yes. It says section 338 of the workforce innovation and opportunity act is amended in the heading by striking offender and inserting justice involved individual and in the matter preceding subparagraph a already being that that's a person who is actually

conducting himself and i just pulled the mic out in an unjust way. That's the least, it's the rest of us who follow the law are the justice-involved individuals. It's the criminals who are the non-justice-involved individuals. This is my favorite one, though. Justice-involved individual. It's like the George Carlin bit, where he's like, we keep making words into phrases, making them longer and longer,

because we're trying not to offend people. And all we're doing is making it more confusing. Well, I think this is based and I think the bigger picture here is that Trump has made has made several moves that have been not so good. Chad Chronister, he was the sheriff who arrested a pastor during lockdown because he was trying to host services. And Trump overtly said he said, I pushed him out because I didn't like what he had done. So here we are now. This is a continuing resolution coming through. It is amazing to have Trump back in the seat of power. He's not there just yet. But when you had the midterms with Matt Gaetz and he was fighting Kevin McCarthy and he was saying, we want single

issue spending bills, they basically said, screw you. We're not going to let you do it. And it was a war. Now that Trump is back in the kitchen, all of these people are starting to fall in line knowing this will be the end of their career if they defy not just Trump, but basically the richest guy in the world and the popular mandate. It's amazing. It's amazing. And people are pretending to be really offended by it. But in fact, all it is is a transparent version of what always happens and certainly happens in the Democratic Party. The Democrats have party discipline. How do you enforce party discipline? Shekels.

Money. Money. The donors, but they, Musk is doing it publicly. Do you guys feel like this is a positive or a negative? It's my sense that this is what happens regardless on X for anyone that wants to go ahead and look and comment and have an opinion about, it's open for discussion. I feel like this is a good thing. And so I don't know, aside from people being like, well, you know, he wasn't elected, which fair enough, he wasn't. But he's just doing the same kind of activism that anyone else could do.

It's just that because he's Elon Musk, he gets a lot of attention. If Tim does the same thing, he'll get a certain level of response and he'll be able to generate a certain amount of political activity just by saying, we need to oppose this, blah, blah, blah. Why would it be wrong that Musk does it? And so what are your thoughts on that? I think Elon Musk's bully pulpit is a little bit more potent than Tim's because he's the CEO of Twitter. Not only that, his threat, his threats mean a lot more than a threat from Tim Pool.

Tim Pool says, oh, I'm going to support a primary. Forget that. I forget that. I mentioned Tim. And it's not about Tim. I'm talking about what you did to him. What do you think? Look what you did to Tim. No, it's just that if Elon Musk wanted to, he could comfortably fund a primary challenger. Do you think it's a good or a bad thing? That's the heart of my question.

When he's on my side, I think it's a good thing. When he's not, I don't. I don't know. Is that too nakedly partisan? Well, it's pragmatism. Ron, what do you think? I think it's exactly what you guys said. I do think that it makes a difference.

I'll say this much. It does make a difference that it is now publicly... Again, I think the transparent aspect of it is a plus for American politics. It's a plus for my democracy. And

it also draws on... What are the two big disadvantages conservatives and Republicans, and to the extent that that Venn diagram has a very large intersection, then great, have had in messaging and in political pressure. It has been the fact that the organs of information have been in the hands of adversaries. Now you have someone who is pretty conservative, who is utilizing the crowd source nature, the really, I don't want to overstate the case because we were talking about the mysteries of monetization on X before we went on.

It's not quite truly democratic, but it's as democratic and meritocratic as any source of news and information in world history. Period. I think it also relates to money in politics. Maybe Rod, you could tell us a little bit more about

how you think that plays into this. I forgot the important case that precluded a lot of... Well, when I first attended the Lincoln-Douglas debate, the important case that precluded a lot of... I can pull it off myself. Well, when I first attended the Lincoln-Douglas debate, okay, I can tell you... Citizens United, that's what I was trying to reference. Okay, that's what you're referring to. Yeah.

I thought you were talking about my childhood, you know, during, shortly before the Civil War. I had to prompt them, okay. About the Lincoln Douglas debate. That's the level of sophistication in this room, folks. Um, citizens United. Well,

look, citizens United. How, how is it that you think that this affects? No, because I guess the threat is down. Like he's threatening the primary and would support them with his own money. Um,

all right. But that, it has always been the case that people that you know, that money is extremely powerful and influential in politics. I mean, when people talk about Citizens United, they get they get so wrapped up in, you know, whether or not it's fair and stuff. And I can't help but think about the fact that donald trump beat hillary clinton when she spent a billion dollars barack obama spent a billion dollars and his party is uh is ostensibly opposed to citizens united um you know donald trump beat uh kamala harris when she spent a billion dollars so as much as people billion yeah as much as people like to go ahead and make make hay about the fact that that there's money in politics it doesn't directly translate to victories it does not no matter what anyone says and when you see that the the massive amounts of money donald trump has spent like three to one

so keep in mind though you're talking about presidential elections and people who are nationally famous like donald Trump is famous. Well, of course, keep in mind, he's famous for being, for being wealthy, for being wealthy. So can't say money, money, not a thing. At the congressional level, all members of Congress do is raise money. That's their entire political existence. And if one person can step into a district and write a seven, eight figure check or one pack that someone who wasn't part of the political ecosystem in that district yesterday, that's a massive game changer. Yes. I don't disagree. I just don't think that the money a one-to-one correlation.

That's right. And yet it's scary enough. You're 100% right. Incumbency is incredibly powerful. And yet it scares these guys enough, just the prospect of having that influx of money. But not only that, going back to my earlier point, not just the money, but Elon Musk and influencers who are not as big as Elon Musk, but who are big, people like Jack Posobiec, okay? They can put together a true public reaction to a political moment in a very short time. And by the way, one of the fascinating things that happened with this bill was that they tried the old midnight spring it on them. And everyone just started dumping it into AI processors.

And boom, all of a sudden, this tool, which we all agree is going to destroy our lives and our personalities and our careers, is helping save the Republic a little bit because we're able to get this information from this encyclopedia sized bill. Cool stuff's happening. What do you guys think about

Elon Musk specifically whipping for this funding bill? He's getting into the weeds. Do you guys think this is below him? Do you think he's getting a little bit too involved? That's great. Yeah. Fantastic. Also, this is not mere...

When we learned what was in this bill, it was... There's stuff in there that was designed to absolutely hamstring Trump from go. Yes, absolutely. They wanted to build a new... They're going to build... We were going to build a new stadium

for the Washington football team, the commanders in a continuing resolution like that is unconscionable. That's bad enough. That's the money stuff. And the money stuff is a disaster. And we've got a big problem with the money stuff. Yes. But they were going to make it impossible to get the data from the January 6th committee? Yes, yes, 100%. I mean, all kinds of really subversive stuff. And by the way, the agencies are already doing this themselves. And there's going to be so much unrolling that Trump is going to have to do in January, giving us perhaps reason to take another look at the lame duck period for the presidency. Because, again, so much that historically depended on norms,

on a certain amount of trust and statesmanship and an understanding that there's a change of government and now it's appropriate for the next president or the next House or the next Senate to be the ones to make decisions A, B, and C. That's out. It's full-scale trench warfare on every single issue, unless you're Mike Johnson. I wonder if he's going to last as Speaker, because I saw the other Republicans were standing down. I forgot who it was specifically, but a couple of reps who were upset with him in the past, Marjorie Taylor Greene in particular, I think were standing down. I forgot who it was specifically, but a couple of reps who were upset with him in the past, Marjorie Taylor Greene in particular, I think were standing down. I don't know if there is a different consensus pick a speaker, given how slim the

majorities are in the House. If he puts this to a floor vote, if he allows this, he's going to have not just the president against him, the richest man in the world, and basically the entire popular movement. His only option right now is going to be he can maybe wishy-washy say, look, I don't want to, but I think it should go to a vote and we should see how people decide. And then it gets quashed. Maybe he can weasel it out that way. I wonder what the sticking points are here, because otherwise this is just a game of

chicken until... $60 billion, I think, for Ukraine, right? Yeah, there's so much stuff in it. As an omnibus bill, there's so much stuff in it as an omnibus bill there's so much stuff and just to to ron's point it's it is really really really cool that nowadays they can stuff this thing into ai and the ai can read it and say these are the things this thing was probably i think this thing was probably made by ai but the point is like they can say look these are the, you can be like, you can tell an AI, hey, look for these type of things. And AI can say, okay, I can, these here, these are the things that you're going to have a problem with. And the fact that they can do that in, you know, I don't know how long it took to get it, but I figure maybe an hour.

When they toss you the bill and say, we have to vote on this in the morning. And, you know, some, you know, intern can go ahead and pop it in, you know, scan it into an AI. And then the AI can say, oh, hey, these are the things that, that, that you're going to have specific to the office. Actually, you can tell it which congressman or congressperson that, that says, these are the things that I'm concerned with. And then the AI can say, these are the things that you're going to have a problem with in this bill. And then can say wait a minute these things are just beyond the pale that's really really really valuable not just to individual congress people but to the american people like to the population because they can then have the opportunity to put things onto x

just like musk musk did and say hey we've got a massive problem with this particular bill. And it's going to make it so that way omnibus bills are less likely to be passed. And hopefully that will mean that they'll stop trying to do omnibus bills. Cernovich made a great point earlier today. He said this trope that so-called government shutdowns, always hurt Republicans. He said, that's 2012 thinking. We're not there anymore. First of all, if that's the lumps we have to take,

then let's take it. The election just ended. We've got two years for the public to forget about the government shutdown that was a month after the election. We can handle that. Meanwhile, we have ways of getting out messages, which is how this topic started out, that we didn't have when the whole world was still relying on what did the Times say and what did Dan Rather say. Those days are over. I do admit, like, I wonder what this particular issue right now would be like if Musk hadn't

bought the bought X and we didn't have we didn't have people like Vivek and like Musk and setting the setting the alarm and saying, hey, these are big problems, because if I understand correctly, it looks like this, you know, CR is not going to pass. And a large part of that, a large part of the credit is going to go to Musk and Ramaswamy. Trump made the point, and he's correct. All they're going to do is kick the can down the road into his administration and then blame him for all the problems. So that's why I think he's making this threat. That's why I agree with Elon being involved.

He's telling him right now, you need to negotiate this, get it done. And then when I come in, then I can start with a clean slate. We could figure this thing out. But right now, all they're doing is basically saying the Biden administration is a disaster. Congress is a disaster. Let's just do what we always do and just continue resolution with a whole bunch of weird nonsense garbage. The crazy thing to me is I don't understand why they don't put like crazier things in it. You know what I mean?

We might just not have found them yet. Yeah, it's like someone that said the fake. There should be provisions like Mike Johnson gets one million dollars from the public treasury or whatever. things in it. You know what I mean? We might just not have found them yet. Yeah, it's like... There's someone that said... I mean, the fake... There should be provisions like Mike Johnson gets $1 million from the public treasury or whatever. Just do it! Just roll with it because they're going to pass it anyway, right?

A Twitter user named Oilfield Rando tweeted, Bad news, guys. All those AOC Boebert sexy AI images we've been enjoying. CR makes them illegal. You can go to jail for two years for those. Wait, is that for real?

That's what he says. Is CR going to ban sexy AOC images? Yeah, put it in this in the slack there's actually uh there's actually that's like the bill that ted frank got overturned in the uh in california the ai you know the ai political ads yeah it'll be illegal for her to post selfies moving forward a california court was able to figure out that that it's in the slack and the actual wording the actual language is there too tim where did you post it i posted it in the slack oh there it is every cr has a bunch of junk included half of which is probably never looked at a second time this is this is this is big news guys this directly impacts a lot so let's read this from x we have this from uh oilfield rando about the continuing resolution bad news guys all thoseOC Boebert sexy AI images we've been enjoying,

the continuing resolution makes them illegal. You can go to jail for two years for those. Thanks, GOP. The Take It Down Act. Is this actually in the continuing resolution? Can you pull up the actual document and see if we can source this to make sure this is correct? Non-consensual, intimate visual depictions.

Ron, do they have a case against me or not? Okay, it says, this title may be cited as the tools to address known exploitation by immobilizing technological deepfakes on websites and networks, ACT, or the Take It Down Act. Take it down! It says the section 1002, criminal prohibition on intentional

disclosure of non-consensual intimate visual depictions. In general, section 223 of the Communications Act of 1934 is amended by redesigning subsection H and subsection I, inserting after G and following, blah, blah, blah, intentional disclosure of non-consensual intimate visual depictions. I mean, I got to be honest, in all seriousness, I think it's kind of cringe that people are doing this, but the idea that you can't draw a picture of somebody and share it, that they'd make that illegal,

is kind of an absurdity. Just for argument's sake, they didn't specifically write AOC and Bobert, right? I think this is generally trying to avoid, I think, I've heard news stories of young people using faces of their classmates and putting them onto naked bodies of other people. And I think the idea here is to prevent stuff like that, like leaking fake nudes of your

classmates or fake porn of people, I think is what they're trying to avoid in this. And moving forward, I don't think this is going to be the worst thing in the CR. I don't know how they're going to police this. There are issues with AI that we should be trying to be aware of. This is essentially trying to work on containing misleading AI images. It certainly doesn't belong in a continuing resolution. That's our real point. Sure, yeah. be if you want to take the position that a reasonable person could conclude that there

are issues that ought to be addressed or societal issues that ought to be addressed and perhaps it's possible to do so in a way that survives first amendmently, but let's say that it were. Yep. Then you debate it. You take votes on it. You don't shove it into the, we're going to shut down the federal parks, which is the only thing, frankly, that gets shut down. These continue. They never shut down the FBI.

Yeah, right. These omnibus bills, they should find a way to outlaw them. You should have to vote on every law that is passed. That is what Congress exists for. So the idea that they don't

vote on every single law that they want to pass, that they just shove them into one thing and say, we have to pass this to spend money, it's shove them into one thing and say, we have to pass this to spend money. It's absolutely, it is disgusting and it makes Congress pointless and it leaves the people with no recourse, no way to actually punish their senators or their congressperson when they do something bad. And then they try to hold the American economy hostage by threatening a shutdown and the consequences to follow.

I kind of hate this because it's kind of fake drama. They will pass one of these CRs. Both sides just need to posture right now. Unfortunately, this is how our Congress operates. So this is the process for them. I'm trying to find the full document, but it's very difficult. Yeah, I mean, once you find it... Okay, I think I found it. Good luck finding the part that you're looking for.

H-304. Yep. Okay, confirmed. I just wanted to make sure I'm not reading some random stuff on X. You can trust Oilfield Randall. On X. Yes. So it's right here. Criminal prohibition and the intentional disclosure of non-consensual intimate depictions.

It says, consent, the term means affirmative, conscious, and voluntary authorization made by an individual. Digital forgery, the term digital forgery means any intimate visual depiction of an identifiable individual created through the use of software, machine learning, artificial intelligence, or any other computer-generated technological means. Fake nudes.

That means using Photoshop. Yeah. That's going to mean doing any kind of digital work to create an image of somebody. Well, and posting it online. That's using Photoshop. Yeah. That's going to mean doing any kind of digital work to create an image of somebody. Well, and posting it online. That's pretty crazy. I mean, look, again, it's kind of cringe that people do, but outlaw. I mean, everyone in Hollywood does that, but that's with consent.

Yeah. They're doing it for themselves. Identifiable individual is defined. Interactive computer service. Intimate visual depiction. Has the meaning given such term in section 1309 of the Consolidated Appropriations Act? Oh, well, the Consolidated Appropriations Act. The minor portion of it I completely agree with, right?

If they're saying, like, you can't make images of children using digital software, like, of course. I think it's trying to prevent convincible fake AI porn of people. I agree. If someone were to make a fake porn image of you This is how they try to battle it Obviously this is an issue that I've learned to live with it, why can't everyone else Well now if you have real nudes you could be like No no no, actually that was AI

So we could kind of get to the Singularity of nudes They do actually assume that it's AI Yeah, they say There's a portion about minors literally everybody should agree with that except for anyone on blue sky they're all probably saying no help us but that's fine the involving adults gets kind of weird you know look morally i agree like people should not be doing this but this could be so broad as to be like you can't use

photoshop to make an image of somebody. I guess it's a lot harder to do on Photoshop, though not impossible, as opposed to plugging it into one of these AI image generators. It's like you go through your yearbook. I'm sorry, this is kind of crazy. Look, it says, except if provided in subparagraph C, it shall be unlawful for any person in interstate or foreign commerce to use an interactive computer service to knowingly publish a digital forgery of an identifiable individual who is not a minor if one the digital forgery was published without the consent of the identifiable individual two what is depicted was not voluntarily exposed by the identifiable individual in a public or commercial setting three what is depicted is not a matter of public concern and four publication of the digital forgery is intended to cause harm or causes harm,

including psychological, financial, or reputational harm to the identifiable individual. What garbage. Ron, do I have the First Amendment right to post fake nudes of people? Do you have the First Amendment right to post fake nudes of people? in other words, without even coming on to the use of AI, could you do with that? That person probably actually could sue you in California and succeed. And in other states with a strong writer personality. I would say you don't necessarily have that right.

Yeah, I think that's what they're working on here. I would never do something like that. I mean, they're saying it will be a criminal offense? But you have to, I mean... It'll be unlawful. So what are the results? What are the ramifications of that going to be? Does it state?

I'm sure it does. But I just want to point out, there are so many problems here. What is depicted as not a matter of public concern. So you could argue that basically any way, any form of – any politician who's depicted is almost per se a matter of public concern. So to some extent, oilfield random might be overshooting the mark here. What is depicted was not voluntarily exposed. What was number one, the first one?

Without consent. So published is an extremely broad word because it doesn't necessarily mean that it was put in a public forum on the internet. It could just be sending an email. Yeah. You could just be sending a text or a WhatsApp. As a meme, you could be sending it to your friend and that could be actionable.

Which, just like basically child porn, you know, once you, that this doesn't this doesn't refer to just having it where child porn you can you know they can get you just for just having it so uh are we in agreement like morally we agree with it but it shouldn't be a law yeah i mean there's a lot you can't stop the technology. I know. I'm really I feel like I'm becoming more conservative in these past few months. And it's funny because people try to call me conservative. I'm like, I'm basically not. But the moral arguments of maintaining a sound and moral society are becoming more and more clear when you see how the left operates and you see things like this. It's a question of if we have if we just say outright, like, look, man, live and let live, do whatever you want. You end up with AI generated images of kids. So clearly we don't want that.

Like, obviously, abusing kids is an atrocity. Now you've got people on the left arguing for just make them fake images. That'll do it. That's literally an argument they're making. And we're like, no, no, no, no, no. So we agree. That's the line. Like, we're not going to let anybody do that.

Now they're saying you shouldn't be allowed to do it for adults either. And there's a question of whether we allow it or not. I think it's kind of crazy, but I'm starting to lean towards, do we have to ban things like this? Now, typically I lean towards the, we need cultural solutions. This is a cultural problem. I love how Ron Paul said of abortion, it should not be illegal, it should be unthinkable. And that's what we want to happen, but we're not there. So when I look at this, I'm like, we as a society should not tolerate people making AI porn images of prominent female individuals for any reason. But tolerate doesn't mean make it legal. So the question is, how do we stop people from doing it

if we're trying to be, well, we don't want to lock people up in jail for things like this. It's a very, very difficult position, which ultimately, I feel like I get more conservative. I'm like, society must be moral, because otherwise, this degeneracy and degradation destroys society. I think it's worth considering, too, whatever means or method is used to censor this will be used to censor other information that they can call. Correct. But now go the other direction.

This is the problem. It's not one way. It's not this. It's not a slope. We're on top of this peak. And if we say if we censor this, they will use it to censor other things we want to do. Yeah. And if we don't censor this, they will escalate the degeneracy in some disgusting direction.

So there is no point in this social map where we can stand still. We're being pulled in some disgusting direction. So there is no point in this social map where we can stand still. We're being pulled in every possible direction. How do we maintain a position where we're like, this is a good place to be. We have free speech. We can express our opinions, but we don't tolerate this extreme. I mean, look, to be honest, they're there. I could not imagine what like some of these female celebrities must be thinking when they see these AI images of them going out or like AOC. It's horrible. We don't want a society that does that. But at the same time, we don't want to arrest people for making art and images.

How do we balance that? It's not only that. We don't want to arrest them. We don't want that to be part of our civic life. And there's also an aspect where the harder you squeeze, the more it leaks out. In a time of information and data and visual, you know, richness, There's so many different ways information can be shared and broadcast and published.

It's almost impossible, even if you could roll back the extremely permissive definitions of the Supreme Court regarding pornography, the definition of obscenity. Let me ask you guys a question. Let's go back to, you know, 1940.

And you live in a small town in the outskirts of Omaha. Small town of about 300 people. And your neighbor gets a photo of your wife doing something compromising and starts posting copies of them all over the town. What do you think the husband does? Shoots him. Yeah.

Something pretty extreme like... Goes to the guy posting it and probably physically confronts him. I'm just thinking about, you know, I see people in the chat, they're saying the internet is for jokes, you can't ban jokes. And I'm like,

my first thought was, okay, well then, kids are not allowed on the internet. And the internet is 18 up from now then kids are not allowed on the internet. And the internet is 18 up from now on. If the idea is the internet can contain hardcore porn and snuff, kids aren't allowed because the argument would then be that children walking, imagine if a kid was walking down the street right now in your town and there was a business that put up hardcore, hardcore porn on the windows. Would anyone tolerate that?

Of course not. But that's the internet. I was on X earlier, and I was looking for a clip of that fat activist who got hired by San Francisco. And so I typed in San Francisco body positivity. Oh, good lord. And a bunch of porn popped up. And I was like, wow, that's pretty crazy. Like, hardcore stuff on X.

Why is that? That should not happen. Why would anyone tolerate children being on the internet? The problem then becomes, even if you're an adult, imagine if you were walking down the town and walking in the street in your city and you saw that someone put your wife's face on nude women in hardcore porn and just plastered it all over the place. The Internet, there is a difference between the Internet and real life. But real life, but the Internet has become a central place of information sharing. And so while we used to walk to the town center and go to church to communicate with our neighbors and our community, now we go on the Internet to do this and the lanes of the internet are spattered with porn.

Imagine what someone's going to do when their wife is being put in these images. Are we, as a society, just supposed to be like, well, that's the internet. I guess we have no choice but to tolerate it? It's really a problem. As you point out, it's a social problem. It's a moral and an ethical problem.

And you can't, unfortunately, you can't put the genie back in the bottle from a legal point of view or from a technological point of view. And that's, so this ubiquity is really a challenge for the level of free speech. I mean, I think you made a good right turn there, and you said let's forget about the kids, because the kids' argument is kind of a little bit too easy. Let's talk about the quality of life, the quality of social and intellectual and moral experience

that people have going through the day, and so much of the days of so many of us are spent on the Internet. When I was growing up in New York in the 70s, Times Square, walking through Times Square was a disgusting experience because all those theaters that are now owned by Disney and that are now, you know, these beautiful, you know, presentations had all been turned into, they used to be movie theaters, and they had all been turned into porn. In those days, you had to go to a movie theater or to a peep show to consume pornography.

And just the names on the marquees were disgusting. And I was a teenager. And I remember really thinking, I don't want to even, I don't even, that's a degrading experience. It's a degrading experience. And so, you know, the civil libertarians have done us a disservice, not only by pushing the law in the direction that they did in the 60s, 50s and 60s,, you know, morality. But by changing, moving the Overton window and making so much of this to be acceptable in our discourse. Remember a couple years ago, one of the big topics was kids attending drag shows? Yeah. All-ages drag show. Why on earth is there something called an all-ages drag show?

Insane. Why are you bringing your children or permitting your children to attend an all-ages drag show why on earth is there something called an all ages drag show insane why are you bringing your children or permitting your children to attend an all ages drag show and this this so we go back to 2008 we go back to 2010 or whatever you had the prop eight in california gay marriage and republicans have been gloating for some time because there was a meme made by liberals where it was like things that will happen if gay you know gay people get married and then it was a pie graph where it said you know terrorists will win and it said there will be a pandemic and a lockdown and things like this and the pie chart said gay people will get married and the joke was nothing's going to happen and then these things happened so everyone started

laughing the slippery slope argument being made by conservatives at the time was you open the door here it's going to go in that direction and And it's a logical argument. Almost every slippery slope argument that has been made in the culture wars since before Elvis has actually proved to be correct. Well, the logic is really simple. Conservatives made the argument that if there are two men who are married, what's going to happen is they're going to be walking down the street. And then they're going to argue, well, a child's going to ask about it, so you're going to have to teach them in schools what's going on with the men walking down the street and then they're going to argue well a child's going to ask about it so you're gonna have to teach them in schools what's going on with the men walking down the street and kissing in public and that's like that's a slippery slope and the liberals said no no they'll be in the privacy of their own homes well sure enough

now liberals are arguing just that the teacher is gay he needs to teach his students what being gay is and show them these books and the slippery slope wasn't a slippery slope at all it was the logical path and you thought it was a math teacher is is the irony. You need to know that you're a gay teacher. What is that even like? This is part of the curriculum, regardless of what the teacher is teaching. So my concern, I suppose, is the civil libertarian position, one that I've maintained for a long time, has consistently said we must defend the freedom because we fear the slippery slope of if we ban speech, they will use the speech bans against us for other means. And it's like, yes. And if we tolerate vile behavior, then they will

push vile behavior in other areas all the same. It's the it goes in both directions. If we do nothing, they get worse, as we've seen with child drag shows. And if we do something, then they try to use it against us all the same. I don't know that there's actually a simple answer. The one thing I can tell you is we need to build cultural institutions that do not tolerate this kind of stuff. It doesn't need to be illegal

if society rejects it because you will be shunned and ostracized. So we should bring back shame. Stigmatization, yeah. So in order to do that, you have to have a standard from which departure is a source of—departure from which is a reason for shame. What's that standard going to be?

So historically, that standard was something that was set by religion. What do you do when people don't believe? You know, another—you know, I'm citing him again. You have someone like Mike Cernovich who, you know, lived a pretty out there lifestyle, you know, in the day. He found religion. He didn't necessarily find God. He concluded, we need this in our lives. And this is something that people who are not reactive recognize. And that recognize and that it's true that if you if you are contemptuous of of a religious tradition of

the entire idea of a divine revelation of truth like if it really offends you as being impossible to believe then you're a hypocrite i understand what can you do you you don't believe you literally don't believe you don't believe it but if you can acknowledge that you might not understand everything, that there might just be something to the tradition that you are at this stage in history, your parents, grandparents were born into, that you should at least look to it as a source of stability that enabled the values that you hold dear to have been transmitted to you, that's the starting point, I think. There's a great video. I can't remember who wrote about it.

Carl Benjamin may have commented on this at some point, that a constitution is what constitutes the people. And most peoples in the past, they believed their society had a constitution, the social beliefs and the social moral fabric, but they didn't need to write it down because everybody agreed. And the Founding Fathers here were like, no, we better write it down because we want to make sure that it's clear as crystal for legal purposes and you don't defy us.

The problem now is when you get to the point where you have to write things down, your society is already fractured. The idea that we have to write down and tell people we will use force against you if you abuse children is terrifying. It means that there's a large population of evil people who would do it without the threat of force against them. Well, I tell people, sometimes someone will say, I want you to work out a partnership agreement. And here are my concerns. And what I hear is that these are two people who don't trust each other as far as they can see each other. And sometimes I'll say, why are you even considering going into partnership with this person?

Yes, I'm glad that you came here so that if there are issues, you know, everyone's expectations are on the same page. But you have to at least start out with an understanding that it's possible that things can go wrong. But this is a person that I want to work with. This is a person that I can go to sleep at night knowing that he's my partner and he's taking care of business and he's fundamentally loyal to the partnership same thing with the society i you know one of the things that you the one of the things your remarks you made um really speaks to me is the the fact that or if if someone can acknowledge that maybe there's things that i don't understand or and that i understand or that I don't have all the answers for. One thing that I notice a lot in the music industry is the arguments against religion or the way that people conceptualize religion.

It's almost always very immature. It's I don't need the sky, daddy, which is it's such a it's such a childish way to conceptualize religion. Whose fault is that? Pardon me? Whose fault is it? I don't know. I think that I don't know that the generations that came before us did not instill the values of moral tradition in their children. Well, not only that, but it's because it's beyond, I do agree that's not wrong, but it's not only that, because the argument that people make is, or essentially the argument they're making is, I know everything there is necessary to negotiate the world. That's what they're saying. I don't need a God, and because i don't need a god you having a goddess you believing in a goddess is silly and from from my understanding there's no society ever in all

human history no matter how far they're separated in space or in time there's no society society that has not had religion so for people today to say oh we don't need religion or i don't need religion it's very very arrogant you were going to say when oh, we don't need religion or I don't need religion, it's very, very arrogant. You were going to say? When liberals or not necessarily liberals, but atheists make the argument that I don't need a God to tell me not to kill. Cenk Uygur was here. He made a similar argument. He's like, why would people need some kind of God?

Because the argument was that morals come from God. The argument, the only thing I think of when someone says that is, sure for you but what do we say to the murderers? And the child rapists? And the torturers? The villains? What do we say to them? Wait, it's not only that. That's great. Cenk, you're not going to go out and kill anyone. What happens

when the government instructs you that it's your duty as a citizen to kill someone. And if you don't do so, you will be killed or you will be imprisoned or some of what's going to happen. And OK, maybe we're not going to ask you to kill. Maybe we're going to ask you, however, to inform on people so that they can be killed

or so that they can be deprived of liberty. What's your reference? Where's the table that you go to to determine these questions of how do you do it? It's so easy in a sophomore dormitory discussion to talk about what you would, you know, what the moral system that you've worked out for yourself. One of the hard things about moral systems that are not the product of your own calculation is that they will sometimes ask you to do things that you don't understand

and that don't even sit right with you. And that's a great challenge. You can study, you can try to understand why that is. In Judaism, we say that there are certain aspects, certain commands from God that we are not meant to understand. But it's our duty nonetheless to... So now, Ron, very good. So let's be the Aztecs, okay? They had a religion, right?

And their religion was that they would rip your heart out and sacrifice you. That was the tradition they grew up in, right? To which I respond, you're right. You see, this is... You then have to take the next step and say, not only are you going to have a religion, but you're going to have to be prepared to defend the beliefs in your religion against people who have different beliefs because they might want to take what you have or they might want to make you live the way they want you to live. So you're going to have to not only have religion,

but you're going to have to live it, and you're going to have to reckon with it. That's a gigantic, that's a very big take. Let's jump to this next story, the Post-Millennial. That was exhausting. Smash the like button while we're at it, and here we go from the Post-Millennial. California Governor Gavin Newsom declares state of emergency over bird flu after 34 human cases.

Well, here we go. On Wednesday, Newsom declared a state of emergency. In the proclamation, Newsom wrote that all residents are to obey the direction of emergency officials with regard to this emergency in order to protect their safety. The proclamation stated that avian influenza H5N1 was first detected in the U.S. wild bird population in South Carolina. We get it. We get it. Since then, 61 dairies have confirmed positive tests for the bird flu across nine counties in Central California. Despite testing and containment efforts, dairy cows at four Southern California dairies tested positive for bird flu December 12, 2024, necessitating a shift from regional containment to statewide monitoring and response to active cases.

The document noted that since March, there have been 61 human cases reported across eight states, 34 in California. Under the emergency declaration, states agencies shall enter into contracts to arrange for the procurement of materials, goods and services necessary to quickly assist with the response to and recovery from the impacts of this emergency. All right. What's the over under on by January 20th? We're in a full blown bird flu pandemic. Oh, man. Someone get RFK Jr. on this. What do you guys think? I mean, a state of emergency that California is going to grant him some powers.

Does it stop there? I do think I do think that it would be it will depend on the state. I think that there will be some states that will say, no, we're going to go ahead and lock down. And if that will say we need to do things similar to California, I think there are some states that are going to say, you know what? The states that didn't do that last time actually fared better in the long run. There were some problems in the beginning, but they fared better in the long run. So we're not going to do that. I think that it's going to depend.

It's going to be a situation where some states will some states won't and then the are then the the fight is going to be over the narrative there because the the states that do lock down they're going to want to make sure that at least they have a good narrative that they can explain away why they did it and they're going to want to have they're going to want to have data that supports their decision so it was the right decision because blah blah blah blah blah blah and they'll have their talking points and then the states that don't lock down will say well no it wasn't the right decision we did the we made the right decision and we'll have our talking points and then the american people are going to decide which one they prefer based on emotional reaction. And we're living in a world now in which the presumption

that an entire nation had, the vast majority of people, that you could trust your state and local and federal government on, and your doctors. Yeah. And universities on matters of public health.

Could, prime F. FAs should be trusted. That's over. That's gone. Yes, there are people who have pled their troth. They are more committed to state control of their health and well-being than ever before. But there's a, they have destroyed so much equity and trust there that

the entire process that you just described is going to go, I think, quite differently from the way it did last time. So I was reading a little bit more. The most severe case was one gentleman in Louisiana. He didn't die, but he was hospitalized. So far, I'm reading that there is no person-to-person transmission. I'm saying even if this were as bad as COVID were, given how much distrust there is between Americans and our health services, our public health services and our government, I couldn't imagine the American people having any sort of patience for any sort of lockdown or shutdowns a la that we did during COVID time. And I especially couldn't see it going into a second Trump administration. So whatever this is, I hope they obviously address it properly. But I couldn't imagine another full scale lockdown. Well, I'm glad Jay Bhattacharya is going to be in place.

Every year we have these bird flu scares right that's right for many years running that's right uh so so far it's relatively uh contained and um hey we need something to fear monger out so i guess it's widely reported it's hard to know when stories are actually just a short attention span civilization society we're looking for things to report on this scares us because of the past pandemic but if there was a bigger new if if there was say like a nuclear strike from russia in ukraine no one would be talking about this the whole the whole show would be dedicated to being like the ramifications of nuclear strike and though it would be an important story the jews the jews always always always yeah

you gotta you gotta shoehorn them in somewhere i mean look at the comments that's the only that is the only topic that's being discussed here. No, no, just a few people. They like saying— They tend to be repetitive, like most dullards. But the issue I guess I'm bringing up is, could this just be a nothing burger? Yeah. I think we're heading towards the holidays.

People are seeing stuff in the sky. We're being visited by UFOs. You know, I don't know somebody got sick so now we're trying to fearmonger a little bit. So those 34 human cases is nationwide? No, that's 61 nationwide, 34 in California. You know that song where it's like, can we pretend that

airplanes in the night sky are like shooting stars? I had this idea for a joke where can we pretend that airplanes in the night sky I want to take it and then just AI, Hayley Williams' voice so she where, can we pretend that airplanes and night sky... I want to take it and then just AI Haley Williams' voice. So she says, can we pretend that the airplanes and the night sky are like drones? And then just be like... We should just monotone drones. Yeah.

Straight like that. Drones. I think it's funny. It's like somebody thinks they see an airplane. They're like, oh, let me go send my drone up to go check this out. The neighbor sees it. It's like, oh, crap. I think there's a drone in the air.

I think I need to send my drone up to go check this one out The neighbor sees it. It's like, oh crap, I think there's a drone in the air. I think I need to send my drone up to go check this one out. So let me just be clear. I live in a part of New Jersey that is situated between... I didn't know you lived in New Jersey. I liked you. Thank you. Between Newark... I know the smell. I don't live in the oil

refinery. Believe me, there are places in New Jersey that you would be very happy to retire to. Atlantic City. That would not have been my first choice. Jersey Shore. Anyway. Anyway. Anyway, I'm right basically between Teterboro Airport and Newark Airport. Oh, okay.

So we're used to the sounds of all kinds of aircraft. I can tell you in the last week, I heard it, Mr. C heard it, there were weird sounds, and people, friends of ours, did see low-flying craft in the nighttime skies of New Jersey. That's all I know. And you know what? Were they big? They were big, like car size.

Really? Yeah. I think Americans are predisposed, not Americans, people, humans, are predisposed to look up in the sky and wonder, look among the stars, the moons, the planets, the drones, whatever's flying in the sky, and wonder. I'm from New York. I never see the stars when I'm there. When I come out to here to West Virginia,

I look up and it looks like a totally different planet. So I don't know. We look up and there's a fly around here. There's stuff in the air and like with the Potomac River, there's gyro gyrocopter tours. And so we see weird load, low flying car size things just like zoom past all the time. And I hope the military is working on something way past our understanding. At least testing out some. Yeah, they're actually anti-gravity passenger vehicles.

And the quad rotors on them are an illusion just to make it look like they're using standard fluid dynamic flight. Yeah, instead we have the F-35. Barely works. What was that jet that Elon Musk was complaining about? He might cut with Doge. Oh, yeah. He said it was awful. Wasn't that the F-35, complaining about? Am I cut with doge? Oh, yeah. He said it was awful. Wasn't that the F-35, no? I don't know if it was the F-35. I don't remember exactly which. I bring this up, of course. Everyone's concerned about a safe emergency because people are trying to find which conspiracy will come true to hinder Donald Trump. Nobody wants to believe that Trump's going to get in with a clean inauguration. There was some guy, there's a video going viral where he says he's calling for 11 million people

to go to the Capitol and give Trump a coronary to peacefully force Trump to reject the presidency, which makes no sense because then who would be president? But everybody's trying to figure out which conspiracy is it going to be. Bird flu? Drones? What's going on? Jews. Tim, why'd you skip that one?

Bird flu, drones. He's a show for Israel, of course. No, because those are all Jewish conspiracies. No, because the drone conspiracy is that there's some secret operation going on. The bird flu conspiracy is that people are dying of a disease. You have to tell me what the Jews are going to do to Trump. What are they going to do to Trump? Since they already control him, after all.

Well, then why would they stop him? Then why would they stop him? Exactly. Yeah, so what is it? They never have to be consistent. Is that a real conspiracy, though? Do people actually think that Trump is controlled by? Yes.

Dude, Nick Fuentes, he is all in on the, you know, Trump used to be against immigration, like illegal and legal immigration. And now he's all pro-Israel. He was always for legal immigration. Always. It's not only Trump. It's the Zionist occupied government. It's the Zogs. The Zogs.

Totally under the thumb of the... And Trump, too. I mean, his biggest donors were Jews in both campaigns, the Adelsons. Musk might have edged out, but he did it through a super PAC or what have you. But how's the check? There are a lot of weird people out there. Yeah, there are. And they're all in the chat.

You know, Elon Musk doesn't get enough credit for spending as much money as he does. I feel like the Adelsons, they get a ton of credit. But Elon Musk whips out $100 million. And if he were Jewish, I feel like he'd have more eyes on him. But $100 million for him is a little bit more like, you know, making a wedding for, you know, a middle-class person, whereas for the Adelsons, $100 million, I think they might notice.

Well, I mean, I don't know that, I don't know how much money the Adelsons have versus Elon Musk when it comes to liquid cash. Yeah. I mean, we have no idea what we're talking about. I was hinting a little bit earlier about Elon Musk and his relationship with Trump and potential concerns about it. I think, you know, we like Elon Musk because he widely agrees with us. But, you know, there are some conflicts of interest with him working in government. He

does have very big businesses. Obviously, Trump used to be very anti EVs until Elon Musk became a supporter of his. And then he had a quote where he's like, well, Elon Musk is one of my biggest supporters now. I guess I got to like EVs. So the relationship is interesting. I doubt it'll last all four years of the Trump administration. I don't know if he's just trying to like couch Elon Musk in this doge project with vivek but uh with how much influence he's exerting especially with on this cr um i mean he's somebody to have our eyes on he thinks he's president though i think elon thinks he's the jew controlling trump it's elon you have a problem with african americans obviously yeah that's what it is you just don't like south

africans like surge this guy's just don't like South Africans like Serge. I don't think Trump is easily controlled. I think he can be manipulated, maybe not easily, but he can be. And so he certainly falls into these traps where he trusts someone too much. I don't see a reality where someone goes to Trump and tells him what to do. And he just goes, whatever you say, I'll do whatever you want. That's not Donald Trump. You have to try to convince

it it's his idea. You'd have to... Right. You can manipulate him. Trump's the kind of guy who's like... Seamus made the joke when we did the Fauci Trump cast the COVID into the fire gag. So the joke was that Fauci is making an excuse for why they made the virus

and it's a play on Lord of the Rings where Fauci says to Trump, do it, cast the virus. And it's a play on Lord of the Rings where Fauci says to Trump, do it, cast the virus into the fires. And Trump goes, well, I was going to, but now I'm not because you told me to. Like, that's kind of the idea. You can't go to Trump and say, do it. He'll go, now I'm doing the opposite.

And easily flattered. I think if you give him a lot of compliments, tell him he's the biggest and best president that he ever had, that there ever was. You tell him that he won the previous election, that he's never lost the election, that he's been president the whole time. He'll think you're great. I told him that. I said he was the best president of my lifetime.

And that he never lost one. I didn't say that. But if you do say that to him, he'll give you endorsements. It's true, though. Yeah. How was your experience meeting Trump when you did that interview with him? I met him a couple times. The interview was good. But I did tell him that he's the? I met him a couple times. The interview was good.

But I did tell him that he's the greatest president of my lifetime, and it's not very many. And he agreed. And he did agree. He said thank you, you know what I mean, or something to that effect. But it's true. You look at the economy. You look at the border. You look at trade policy.

You look at foreign policy. It's the best we've ever had. But there's an element in this country that wants us to dump hundreds of billions of dollars in Ukraine. And they can't articulate why other than Russia is a big country and Ukraine is a small country. So I think it was Mitch McConnell who wrote an article in Foreign Policy earlier this week, or I think it was earlier this week or late last week, about why we should still be in Ukraine and supporting Ukraine. He'll argue things like that all of our enemies are,

they're all working together. It's this axis of resistance. And part of why Assad fell was because Russia's bogged down in Ukraine. And, you know, if Russia's successful in Ukraine, then it could help embolden China. How do you react to something like that from somebody like Mitch McConnell? Say it one more time. Mitch McConnell argues that all the axis of resistance are allies with each other and that when Putin's bogged down in Ukraine, Assad is propped up less and China's less emboldened to invade Taiwan. Can you make that more concise?

Are you saying that our enemies are united and if we withdraw from one area, they will... Become emboldened and yeah. Like, for example, if China sees that we retreat from helping Ukraine, then we're therefore less likely to... I think it's the opposite. I think China sees an opportunity with U.S. entrenchment. I think this is more historically accurate. China wants Taiwan.

They're going to wait until we are occupied and bogged down in a war we can't handle, and then they're going to make their move. So if we say we're not getting involved in Ukraine, who's not an ally, our concern is Taiwan. Who cares? Russia takes the Donbass region and moves into Crimea, and we're like, whatever. Not a NATO country. China's going to be like, we can't make a move on Taiwan because the U.S. is armed and ready. We dump hundreds of billions of dollars into Ukraine, start sending troops to Poland, and we've been doing that.

And then China, what happens? A Chinese vessel drops anchor and severs to undersea cables because they create conflict and chaos there. They assist. And then when we're distracted and that pulls resources away from the Pacific fleet, they can move into Taiwan, which they've been continually trying to do. It's going to be interesting to see how foreign policy plays out in the Trump administration, because I feel like he's neither an isolationist nor interventionist Trump like he does in many political fields. He ascends. So I think Trump tries to play a little close to the chest. He doesn't want to know. You know, you never know which way he's going to go. He can nuke you, or he could launch a peace treaty.

He might need another madman involved in his administration. I certainly hope not. Well, I think he already has some of them with Marco Rubio and Mike Waltz, was it? You're saying that Marco Rubio's a madman? Not a madman, but... More neocon? People would call him a neocon, yeah.

Yeah, I mean that that makes sense i mean marco rubio is the most establishment guy that i think i've heard trump decide to i think he's very hawkish still rubio he yeah but i think rubio rubio's proven to trump that he'll just do what trump says yeah that trump's trump's like listen you're gonna do the job you're gonna do what we want you to do and then afterwards you have a career in front of you rubio's probably like okay it would be dumb politically for any of these guys to cross donald trump obviously it's not even the republican party anymore it's a mega party it's a magazine baby yep the republican party was awful i never liked them and then trump came in and he is not a traditional republican and bernie was trying

to do the same thing the democrats a bit but he wasn't willing to really try but push came to shove bernie backed down oh yeah every single time bernie has got as a spineless coward he is absolutely no matter how i don't care if you like what he was talking about or not it is it is objectively true that he is spineless and he doesn't have the the the guts to stand up to the democrats at all he walked off the stage as soon as two women got up on stage and we're saying, this is our stage now and blah, blah,

blah. He's like, okay, fine. Get out of here. You know? Um, so the idea that Bernie is like any,

is a person to be emulated. That's, that's a joke in my opinion. So he has no spine and no guts. What consists of his body? Uh, I, I imagine,

I imagine he has like a carapace that is kind of his his torso is actually a carapace he's he's a you know he's a bug so so there's not many good things i could say about democrats but i do think they subject the socialists in their party subjugate the socialists in their party very well so like what they did with bernie sanders and now what they're doing with aoc with these um head house positions that she's we'll see about that because the the socialists in the party were setting the the narrative for the democrats for the past 15 years that's what woke it it's all race communism right it's all just communism based on race equity is all communism we got to bring the the people that are that are

of the minorities poc they all have to be given stuff so that way we can tear the the white people down like that was a whole the whole deal so i don't know that they actually do control them we'll see the the current um civil war in the democrat party will will kind of show you. And it would be nice to see the Democrats kind of return to being marginally intelligent and to really isolate people like Hassan and the far left and do something about the fact that there is, there are so many Democrats or leftists

that would caucus with the Democrats that will say things like they support the murder of the UnitedHealthcare CEO and all of the horrible, monstrous results that can come with having that sentiment being the dominant sentiment in your political party. Yeah, I think they really speak to the sentiment that many people were praising Luigi for. Yeah, that's exactly what i'm talking about which is so gross uh i also think there's something to be said about half the people who are talking in support of luigi online half of them were pos communists obviously yes um and i feel like it's dangerous to be sympathetic with people like those once you start justifying political murder i think that leads you down obviously a really dumb gross obviously

immoral route but that's the age that we're on right now shinzo abe god rest his soul was murdered in cold blood but the the person who perpetrated that crime was praised and he was um you know so you have to wonder what the downstream effects with that will be multiple attempts on donald trump's life obviously with all the praise that luigi has received online although probably not um as real not as potent in real life as it is online could inspire others so we could have this uh stochastic terrorism effect that's the only time i'd ever appreciate and use that phrase like that too i thought you were gonna go on to it um no i i i agree with you but if you look at uh the politics in in the U.S.

and I think that this is probably, you know, inflamed by the Internet and stuff, but there are people on the far left and there are far more people on the far left that are comfortable with calling themselves communists. But there is a growing faction on the far right that are comfortable, you know, putting up pictures of Hitler and saying,

we owe this man an apology. That was a tweet. No, that was a wild tweet. It's got six million views. Unreal. You know, I mean, look, pictures of Hitler and saying, we owe this man an apology. That was a tweet. Yo, that was a wild tweet. It's got 6 million views. Unreal. I mean, look, if they're doing it. How do you know it was 6 million? That's a good question.

Can you name all 6 million? And are there even that many phones? That's right. Yeah, you know. Well, some people could view it multiple times. I don't know about that. The point being. Well, some people could view it multiple times. I don't know about that. The point being the internet does amplify.

Not a notify. Let me get through my sentence. Why? Why should I? You have all these sentences. Never mind. There's crazies on both sides and the internet helps them. That's what I'm trying to say.

And most of them are from other countries anyway. We got this story from the, actually, I don't know if they're going to let us, can we pull it up? There we go. Okay. I just want to make sure it was going to load. Oh, man. We got this story from the Free Press.

Oh, man. Jesse Singlet, blue sky has a death threat problem. I love blue sky so much. It's a little. Because it basically is a vacuum cleaner or a garbage disposal for the violent, unhinged leftists. They all got mad at Elon and left, and now we can sit here in peace and talk like adults. But Jesse Singel writes, it was supposed to be a gentler left-wing alternative to X. My grim experience proves that just isn't the case.

Jesse Singel is one of the liberals that I have followed for many, many years. And he pretty much avoids interacting with me because it wouldn't look good to his friends. But he doesn't block me either. And I often tweet him because he sometimes has good common sense takes. And that's the beginning of your hint into what the problem is, is that he sometimes has common sense. He is a centrist liberal. And he absolutely has Trump derangement syndrome. He will rationalize things that are so preposterous.

He's a liberal. But sometimes he can't help but notice that the emperor isn't wearing any clothes. So he posted a couple of these from Blue Sky, them basically saying they want to kill him, but they can't. There's another post where saying they want to shoot him twice. The funny thing is,

there's a bunch of posts from people who are conservatives who went on Blue Sky and tried posting opinions and were banned for it or throttled for it. Jesse Zinkel found that on this leftist, gentler free speech platform where they actually claim free speech, there's hundreds of thousands of death threats and they won't do anything about it. I almost think Blue Sky was intentionally created as a catch-all for far-left lunatics so it's all on purpose the thing about jesse single too just to give people a background on him he's a journalist who writes extensively about trans issues and that's the reason why he's getting this pushback he's uh liberal in all other senses except for the trans issue, I think particularly with children going on puberty blockers.

So the reason why most of the people who are threatening him are trans activists who are very frustrated with his coverage about how in Europe a lot of these different health and public health institutions are rolling back their puberty blocker plans. And the more he points this out, the more they call him transphobic. He's probably the number one target of trans activists because of his work in this space. He will constantly review trans activist articles using misleading science. He'll fact check the New York Times using misleading science about trans issues.

So that's why he's garnered so much hate on this platform in particular. And I mean, he's doing doing the Lord's work. Good for him for standing up about this stuff and taking the slings and arrows that he will get from the absolute loonies that would send those kind of tweets. And which tend to be, you know, the trans activists tend to be volatile a volatile bunch he's liberal in every other way and he didn't toe the line on one issue and this is the pushback but it happens to be an issue that is of most interest to people who are already already mentally unbalanced you know i might be giving him too much credit but he is the premier disinfo um reporter on trans issues good for him

across the journalism space i commend jesse single he'll probably never come on the show but i'm sure he has an open invite he'll probably disavow the commendation from us but either either way he's still doing good work and he's and he takes a lot of heat and it's really really uh it's something that's very it's very very uh respectable that he continues to stick to his guns. Beyond his politics, he's willing to do journalism, and he's willing to follow where that leads him, and I think that's refreshing in an era where all of journalism is tainted so much by partisan politics.

I wouldn't even say partisan politics. I'd say by ideology. What do we think happens with the Antifa crowd? Because they're being isolated to places like blue sky. They're excising themselves from the conversation. They're sitting here cheering for the alleged healthcare CEO assassin. I can't imagine they maintain any kind of mainstream appeal for much longer. I think they've lost mainstream appeal. Right.

You look at John Stewart, Bill Maher and these other liberals, Cenk Uyg now going oh well i'm a moderate populist and i i think we should give trump a chance they're no longer useful yeah they were used they were deployed at like the sa in their time they were they were meant to hit the streets and disrupt you know the establishment and to be the leading edge of the left wing, but in a way which, structurally, they could be disowned when they were no longer useful. They're not being paid anymore. By the way, a good number of them are in jail now. I don't think they dispersed.

I mean, I think they dispersed and are now just infiltrating different institutions. They are becoming staffers. A lot of them are becoming photographers. A lot of them are journalists. A lot of them are videographers. I think that you're talking about two distinct groups. The ground troops, the ones that are Antifa, they're not staffers. They're not doing things.

They're still significantly homeless. They're still significantly homeless. They're still going to be throwing firebombs. Give them the opportunity. They'll still throw firebombs. They still have face tattoos. They're still the ones that are the real crazies that are mentally compromised and will do antisocial acts just for the fun of it. I think a lot of antifa is a lot more

privileged than we like to think so and a lot of them are joining non-profits a lot of them are you know trying to rehabilitate their image in different ways and they're infiltrating and uh they're very happy about it behind the scenes when i think they infiltrate i don't think that there are there i don't think you're wrong about a segment but when i think of antique when i think of antifa i don't think of the activist types. I think of the ones that are actually the Molotov cocktail throwers, the ones that would look to go fight the police. And whereas there are some, I understand the lawyers in New York that had Molotov cocktails comes to mind. They were essentially given a free pass but they were two new york

lawyers living in brooklyn so i understand that they exist but i think there is a smaller portion that are the smart ones that are you know kind of giving direction than the larger portion of the the you know just crazy i mean crazies i mean if you look i think they're at palestine marches frankly that's where they're yeah probably, probably. But if you look at the people that attacked Rittenhouse, the first dude, I forget what his name was, whatever his name was, but he wasn't like... Rosenbaum? Yeah, Rosenbaum. He wasn't an Antifa

Antifa, but he was a useful idiot for Antifa, and he was a crazy dude, and he'd been arrested, and yeah, he was just bad news, but that's the kind of dude that Antifa will have throw the first rock at the cops or that will throw the rock through the window because he's the one that'll do it. And he's got basically nothing going for him anyway. And I think those guys are more I think those guys are more numerous than the actual smart people that are kind of directing them.

So that's my take on the Antifa. But I don't think that they're I don't think they're going anywhere. I just don't think that they have the same kind of energy that they had in 2020. I'll tell you where they are. They're on Blue Sky threatening to kill Jesse Singal. It's interesting now because if we'll see all the hit pieces from the Washington Post and New York Times. Blue Sky, they have a serious threat problem.

They don't care. They don't care. Yeah. So we'll see if it's held to the same standard that all the other platforms will be. So I doubt we'll see the hit pieces on Blue Sky. Unless, Tim, if you migrated over, you know, then we might see the more hit pieces. No, you get kicked off. That's funny.

I was on there and I said something actually positive about Taylor Lorenz. I said she was a gift and she still blocked me. Well, you're going to get banned, though. No, no. But I'm sure that if I continue down that road, I will. I was called a racist bigot on the first day that I was on Blue Sky. Well, I love that we're winning. So I'm excited for January 20th.

There's going to be a bunch of parties in D.C. It's going to get wild. You going to be there? Yes. Of course. Did I know the answer? I knew the answer. Well, we live here.

Yeah. It's like, I'll be searching. I'm skipping a jump. I'll be searching for Antifa right outside the gates. Yeah, I wonder. Do you think there's going to be big protests on the 20th? Yes, definitely. I feel bad.

I have a conflict of interest for my work, but I sure hope so. I couldn't foresee there not being protests. Frankly, D.C. is such a liberal place. But I don't think it's going to be like in 2016. You know, all it takes is a small group of agitators to... I remember Trump fans getting

assaulted, leaving some of his rallies, or I think it was the inauguration the first time. So... People still believe Trump is a fascist. Well, there was a deplorable where Trump supporters had that big gala and Antifa was chucking bricks and rocks at us as we were walking in the building. And the cops were just standing there. And it was crazy. As we're going, walking on the street with a police line, keeping hundreds of psychopathic leftists away, the cops are by the doors.

And as we're walking in, they're just launching things at us. And the cops didn't do anything about it. And then Gavin McInnes licked the guy's face. And I also believe there's a woman's march two days before the inauguration, if I'm not mistaken, in D.C. You know, I can respect it. But I think the issue is what they're saying online is that the woman's march did nothing. They were like, what, how many, like three million people showed up in D.C., walked around and left, and literally nothing happened. So I'm concerned that these people are going to be lunatics.

Well, I'm concerned they are, and this time they will be angry lunatics. Yeah, losers. Losers. So let me suggest, though, that, yes, there's always going to be a percentage. And when you are doing things that are inflammatory, a small percentage will seem like a lot more of a phenomenon than a large percentage. Having said that, it seems to me that the playbook has moved away from the mass violence. And there's probably a tactical reason for it. And it looks like you have an idea as to what it might be.

No, actually, I was going to ask you what you thought it might be. I was hoping Tim would explain it, actually. No, what I think it might be is it didn't work. At the end of the day, it was disruptive and that was something but the left has learned that the right has learned there are things for example january 6th when I first saw it advertised, the idea popped into my head for a minute to go. Then I said, well, absolutely a trap. Yeah.

Absolutely. That would be insane. Because I saw what happened to Gavin McInnes. I saw what happened with the Proud Boys. All you have to do is show up. Yep. Yep. And push back. And you're now the terrorist.

So you don't that's not an option. But the right has learned. Anybody who had been watching my show would have known. So it's funny thing that happened after after January 6 is that I got accused of having foreknowledge that Tim Poole had been informed they were planning to storm the Capitol because I had said in September of 2020 that in November, a bunch of right wing, if Trump loses a bunch of right wing, people are going to like storm the White House or something. And it was speculation. I was saying these people are pissed. And if Trump doesn't win, these people are going to go to D.C. and like storm the White House in November. Well, I was wrong. Nobody stormed the White House in November, but people did storm the Capitol in January. And so then I was accused of having foreknowledge.

My my opinion on this is just I think it's fairly obvious when people are angry and planning on protesting. And then you had Trump saying it's going to be right. It's going to be a big protest. And we're only an hour away. And we were like, should we get a hotel? And we actually got we rented a hotel room in advance to do the show live from D.C. on January 6th. And then as we were getting closer and closer to the date, we were having conversations about security with the barricades and the plans the city had had. We were concerned about being able to actually get down there and do any kind of show with the mass showing was expected. So we said, I don't think we can do it. We should probably just stay here.

And then we did. We stayed in Maryland and did the show from a normal location. But that day, doing my morning show, watching the news, it was crazy. As it was unfolding, it was a lot scarier than, because you didn't know what was going on and then someone got shot. We have to keep in mind, there's all, I mean, there is a, again, talking about moving that Overton window, there is now a regime, an expectation of non-enforcement of the law against violent left-wing protest in D.C.

So when the Palestinian protesters scaled the White House fences and were really extremely menacing around the area of the White House, nothing was done. There were like, I think there were literally no arrests. That is the policy of law enforcement in D.C. So that does, that does still pose a risk. My, my, my real concern was that if we showed up, Nancy Pelosi would deploy belt fed 50. And we'd be, I think she actually requested that. Was that the story?

Yes, she did. She requested belt fed 50 BMG or something. No, not 50 BMG. It was something else. I'm not a gun guy, so I don't know the exact ammo type you'd use for those butterfly trigger... Well, that's a Mod Deuce. That's M2. That's a 50 Cal. Audie Murphy on top of the tank.

Right. She possibly could have just asked for belt-fed and that could be anything from a 5.56 to a seven sixteen shut up just just stop it you see you you you bring a guy onto the show and already it's with the guns hey look killing and they're shooting and they're hurting listen yeah phil i'm a gun guy i can't help it ron i'm armed right now come on oi vey welcome to west virginia yeah right well look as long as the,

I like to entertain the idea that the left has basically given up and they're isolated in the far corners of the internet in places like blue sky and they're not going

to show up. We got reporting from Andy Ngo in the Post Millennial. Some Antifa chick got arrested and charged and convicted.

So, I don't know, maybe the tolerance for this stuff has just ended. People were scared because Antifa was going to burn your building down, but now that Trump won, there's a popular mandate. People feel like they're not isolated anymore. And so now they're just like, we can stand up. Yeah. I have a feeling that the victories at the ballot box have made people

that were a little hesitant to admit that they supported people on the right, they supported Trump, that they, I think that has changed the opinion. I think more than that is that it became acceptable to acknowledge that it's allowed for Republicans to win elections. I mean, I was very struck on election Day and the night of Election Day and the next day by the corporate leaders who are associated with the Democratic Party congratulating Donald Trump. That I don't think would have happened in 2020 if he had won in 2020. Of course not. He succeeded in normalizing himself as a person who is entitled to be elected president if he wins the election. Did you hear what he said?

When he did the press conference, he was like, you know, in my first term, everybody was fighting me and now they're all trying to be my friend. I guess my personality changed. I was like, wow. He was very calm when he said it. So if you can't beat him, join him. But I think it is true. He's kind of chilled a little bit. You know, he was a bit more aggressive first time around.

And now he's... But, you know, I also sense a real determination and focus on his part. He is so much more aware of how the game is played. And so, yeah, he is older. But what I see when I look at him is a guy who won't be fooled again. Yeah, yeah. The fact that he has had four years where he was kind of out in the wilderness was a is a big deal he learned he did learn a lot in the time that he was in office of course but he

it wouldn't be the same uh had he won directly after the um directly after his first term. I think this actually is going to be better for America because of what he's determined to do, having him had the four years away than the results that he would get for America had he gotten a consecutive term. And there has been, I mean, the deep state and the cancer, the woke mind virus was given the opportunity to spread in a way that we would prefer that it hadn't. But we know where it is now. They came out shamelessly. You know, places in government and in other institutions, I mean, the universities have lost all credibility among normal people. They're now readily identifiable and their contempt for the rest of us is open and there's going to be a lot more popular support than there otherwise would have been. On this idea of Trump becoming normalized, I think this is in large part due to the fatigue of fear mongering and how long that could last, four years, eight years. And then it's like, what does Trump actually accomplish that is such a big threat to our country? They say he won't leave office, but he ends up leaving office.

He's going to be a dictator. He's going to start World War III. He's going to pull us out of NATO. He's going to do this. He's going to take away your rights. When none of this comes to fruition, I think the populace naturally realizes that the threat that he's made out to be doesn't really exist so i think i think the actual challenge we have is finding our identity after a tremendous victory the left may be so disheveled and lost in the democratic

party there's going to be a lot of infighting on the right over what the next moves should be. That'll be interesting. I personally, I mean, I think that it is good that Donald Trump and the people that he has lined up have the incentive and have made it clear that they want to cut the government because the way that the left has exerted a significant amount of control over the population is through the bureaucracy. If we can shrink the bureaucracy, if we if we can actually make significant cuts and make make the bureaucracy significantly smaller and take the government out of people's lives on a daily basis, that could be a very, very good start to keeping the woke mind virus out of everybody's living room and bedroom and stuff like that. It's extremely exciting political times because I think we're seeing a realignment in both the Republican and Democrat party. Currently, the Republican party is all MAGA, but we'll see

if in a post-Trump world, anybody in the Republican party will be able to coalesce the parties. And the future of the Democrat party is really all over the place. It's whether or not they decide to go the leftist or more moderate route. There's other interests in the Democrat Party, but there are major realignments. We're also seeing, you know, some extremes or fringes of both party kind of agreeing with the opposite side. So for example, many leftists are agreeing with many of the libertarian types on the right. So it'll be interesting to see how this plays out in a decade, two decades, and how the parties realign in that way. Indeed. Let's go to Super Chats. If you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, share the show with everyone you know,

and become a member over at TimCast.com. My friends, it's Wednesday. We've got tomorrow here in the studio, and then Friday, of course, we are going to be flying out to Arizona for AmFest, for the final show of the year on stage in front of thousands of people. That's right. Shout out to Charlie Kirk and TPUSA for having us out for the third year. They really do go above and beyond to get us on board and make the show possible, so I really do appreciate it

because it's exciting to be a part of, exciting to be there. They have the smoke come out, and they introduce you as you walk on stage. There's a video playing. They really make you feel good, and it's going to be fun to be there. I might wear a jacket.

A jacket? Yeah. Wow. Charlie Kirk is a potent political force. I foresee that guy running for president down the line. He's a very potent force in the Republican Party. That dude's got energy. He's got something going on. He's doing

a lot of things right. Passion. Passion. Smash that like button, my friends, and we're going to read your super chats. What do we got here? Robert Delacruz says, why is no one super chatting? But you, sir, did. So you were. Hal Gailey says, crime requires a victim. The left lane is for hurting the government's feelings.

They love writing tickets for their butt hurt. All right, fine. You know, I was driving in the left lane, committing no crimes. And I got pulled over. And I got a ticket. And you know what the ticket was for? Driving in the left lane. Yes.

I'm sorry that you got a ticket. But actually, know what the ticket was for? Driving in the left lane. Yes. I'm sorry that you got a ticket, but actually I'm happy that there are police out there doing it. As a Jersey kid, you should have known better. I am not a Jersey kid. Aren't you from Jersey? No, I'm from Chicago. Yeah, Chicago. Chicago. No, I didn't do anything illegal.

And this is why so many people... You did live in Jersey, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sure you learned what our laws are. And in New Jersey, you cannot drive in the left lane. You can't do it anywhere, apparently. It wasn't like I was driving the left lane for an hour. I got into the left lane.

I was there for a couple minutes, and then a cop pulled me over, and I was like, is there a problem? He's like, you're in the left lane. And I was like, yeah, I had just passed somebody. I didn't get over. And he's like, well, you were in there too long. Was that recently? No, this was 15 years ago.

Oh, okay. And then they took my license from me. 15 years ago? The world's completely different now. Is that how bad the super chats are? No, it's Phil saying the left lane is for crime. I was like, I too have been accused of a crime in the left lane. Or simply being in the left lane.

We'll get there, Ron. All right, all right. Let's go, let's go. Kieran the Meat Man says, We need a show with Ian and either Phil or Grumpy Old Man where they talk about graphene and spiritual power etc it could be comedic gold i feel like any podcast with ian is a valuable show because it's entertaining like there's a lot of people who hate on ian but they need to understand that if you enter into the show understanding who and what Ian is, you enjoy it. But there are a lot of people who are very serious.

So when Ian asks something that doesn't seem to make sense or they don't understand it, they get angry because they want a very serious top level, you know, Atlantic accent conversation. And then Ian might say something weird like, it feels good to stick your finger in a cow's mouth, which is one of his most famous quotes in the show. He told that to Elijah Schaefer and Sidney. And it was very funny. But I agree that if you were

to get Ian on a show with anybody, I think Ben Shapiro and Ian would be hilarious. That's matter meets anti-matter. Could you imagine Ben just being really frustrated, being like, Ian, I don't know what to say. You know, I think that'd be hilarious. All right, all right.

Ian is kind of all feeling, isn't he? Yeah. Emotes. Everything is kind of an emote. I know he has a lot of out there ideas. He's not the only one, but I will say this. He's one of the best, youngest looking, 40-some-odd-year-old men that I know. He's 50. He's not the only one, but I will say this. He's one of the best, youngest-looking, 40-some-odd-year-old men that I know.

He's 50. He's 50. And when you look at the guy, it's like, I don't know, graphene, I don't know what you're eating, juice you're drinking, but he's doing something right. The first time I saw him, I thought he was younger than me. I'm 31. He looks like a young something. Maybe it's the genes. The lack of sun. Something. I'm not joking. He's doing a lot of things. I just can the genes. The lack of sun. Something.

I'm not joking. He's doing a lot of things. I just can't pinpoint. The sun ages you. It's the sun? Yeah. So you can actually look at the images of, there's a famous photo of twins.

One worked in the sun and one drove a truck. And you can see the person who worked outside, their skin is really damaged and old. Just has this youthful glow, that guy. All right, let's grab some more Super Chats. Raymond G. Stanley Jr. says, Tim, I went to the dentist. He wanted to fix my tooth abscess or I could die. I told him to shove

off. He must not know that I'm proudly mouth positive. What? It's in reference to the body positivity movement. My God. Because I was talking about San Francisco hired that fat activist and she says, you have the right to remain fat. And I'm like, you do, but you'll die. I think you have a right to be out of shape.

Anybody wants to be. And I have a right to shame you. So be it. Raymond G. Stanley Jr., we're doubling the fluoride in your water to make your teeth better. I'm sneaking it in your stuff. Okay. Buddy says, first? LOL, bro, you are so far from first sixth fifth all right v bent says

stop funding palestine stop funding ukraine stop funding israel i think america is best off funding america but i have an idea guys i want to give ukraine israel tai, I want to give them a trillion dollars. I propose this this bill be put forward by all Republican members of Congress and Democrats, if they're interested, where we pledge one trillion dollars. Each. So long as we've secured our border, got a job for all the people who are struggling to get work after we've solved the health care problems, after the unemployment level is stable at a certain amount for a certain amount of years, after we've ended any trade disagreements, ratified treaties, withdrawn our troops from all these other countries. Once we've solved all of our problems in this country and we have extra money lying around, maybe then the

conversation can be had about whether or not we give that money away. But we cannot be a country with a problem of crime, with a problem of infrastructure failing, with a porous border, that at the same time as there are hurricane victims in North Carolina, we are giving our money away. Let me just ask you a hypothetical question. What if, and I have no problem with cutting off the foreign aid, including to Israel, I think it's the worst thing for countries to become dependent on foreign aid. And it's bad for the relationships, all the things. If I told you I could solve the border crisis by giving $50 million to Mexico, let's just say $50 million would solve that problem. How?

No, no, no. No deal. Or we could spend $100 million in Texas. Okay, here's a pitch for you. I can give you $100, or you can give me $100, and I'll sell you the Brooklyn Bridge. I don't know. So you're refusing to accept my hypothetical. You're saying it could never be the case.

No, I'm asking you. That's spending money. I'm not. I'm saying if you're going to tell me for $50 million being given to Mexico, it would solve the border crisis. And I say, how? And you don't give me an answer. The answer will be no. In other words, you can't answer the hypothetical.

What if I said $5 billion? Maybe there's a misunderstanding. If anyone comes to me and says, I propose a plan to solve this crisis. My plan involves giving X amount of dollars to foreign country. I say, and what will that do? I don't care what you're asking money for. I'm always going to ask you, what does the money go towards? If your hypothetical is, you have a plan that we all looked at and go, wow, that's going to solve the problem.

Right. Yes. Then it would be worth it. Yes. So that's the problem when you say we need to solve all our problems before we spend a penny overseas there are american interests that are affected by our spending overseas so now i think right now our spending overseas is like a drunken sailor and the social the um cultural warfare and the woke crap that the State Department has been

trying to import into other countries, especially countries with traditional cultures, is disgusting. And it's the height of arrogance and ugly Americanism. But there are smart ways to use foreign aid. Agre okay we can all go home i believe that uh properly appropriated foreign aid can actually avoid war it can it can stop us from needing to launch incursions into foreign countries trade agreements diplomacy and the path towards wealth can be done effectively i i think that's economic diplomacy. And so my point wasn't that we cut off all foreign aid, period. It's if you want to give Ukraine $250 billion, I'm sorry, not when there's hurricane victims.

But if there's a proposal for a budget per year and we can talk about what the number is supposed to be. I mean, the lack of accountability to money that's gone to Ukraine is the scandal of the baby brand new century. The blank check, it's just, you'd think it was like a Chicago school board or something. You know, I mean. All right. Wyatt Caldenberg says, Tim, why do so many right-wing YouTube influencers act like my 1950s gossipy grandmother on her party line phone. It's embarrassing and childish. You know, I was thinking about this because I look at analytics every day.

Look at... In other words, you understood that question. Yes. So I check analytics. I look at competition. I look at other channels. I try and figure out, you know, what generates higher view counts and what are people interested in. I want to know what's going on. However, I will only ever record a segment if

I'm interested in talking about what the segment is because I don't write scripts. I don't pre-plan arguments. I literally see stories that I'm interested in and I'll put them together and then I'll press record because I want to express myself, which is why yesterday I only had four instead of six. Because it was a drastically slow news day and I was like, I'm not going to try and just press record for the sake of press record. It's not going to happen. However, many of these other big YouTubers don't have membership programs. See, as a TimCast member, I don't really have to worry about loss of revenue from not doing videos on a regular schedule. I used to four years ago. We launched the member program.

And as I've long said, you guys as members, give me the opportunity to actually try and do good work. Because before, if you got sick and you didn't produce a YouTube video, that money was just gone. And that means you can't pay the bills. That's scary. So these other YouTubers who are going full gossip, I'm not going to do it.

Unless it's something I'm truly passionate about. You know, I was talking about the Brett Cooper contract because I love talking media contracts. I love the inner workings of the media industry and the lying, the cheating, the stealing and all the dirty stuff that goes on these big corporate news outlets. But a lot of these YouTubers on the right are now looking at the abject failures of the Democratic Party. And there's very little left to even talk about. It's Nancy Pelosi has been thwarted. Now it's serious when she broke her hip because mortality rates for an 84 year old who broke their hip. It's around 30 percent within a year. And that's terrifying. I hope Nancy will be OK. But, you know, she's old. That's that's that's

relevant. I think we're talking about. But there's no longer this big conflict. There's no more. The Democrats have tried to pull a fast one. No, they lost. They were crushed and just absolutely crushed. So for a lot of these influencers and YouTubers who built up a political brand, what are they going to talk about? That's why I think there's going to be identity crisis on the right. And you're going to start seeing people on the right choose their point. Right. RFK. Everybody loves RFK Jr. Trump is winning now. He's pro-choice. Why are we supporting this guy? Because they won. Now they can open the door to the criticisms that won't hurt their chances in the White House.

Attacking RFK Jr. before the election, you run the risk of hurting Trump. Trump's in. It's guaranteed. Now we're going to try and move RFK Jr. on the issue of abortion, which means right-wingers are going to start talking about right-wingers more often. The left is going to get a bunch of money from corporate interests. And in six to eight months, they're going to invest heavily in these sophists. And they're going to come back with a vengeance.

There you go. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. I hope I'm wrong. I hope the right just wins and everyone celebrates. And viewership on right-leaning channels has been way up. Viewership on left-leaning channels has been way down. Once you win, not only viewership, subscriber.

People are losing massive numbers of subscribers on the left yeah yeah on the right not so much if you look at so i track this stuff because this is the industry i love looking at what people are doing and uh i looked at a bunch of conservative channels and they have a slow growth since november very small growth on average you'll see right-wing channels most leftist channels after november their view counts dropped by 40%. Their subscribers dropped by 80%. And they're actually way down. It's kind of crazy.

So that I have trouble understanding. Was it a coping mechanism and now it no longer satisfies because they lost? In other words, why would you watch someone who's saying the same thing now that he said six weeks ago? Why were you watching him six weeks ago? Because you thought he was going to be right? Well, so there's a critique of David Pakman right now that I think is interesting. Where Alina Hava had a mundane interview. It was boring.

And Pakman got critiqued because he basically took this boring and mundane interview and then cut it and then spoke as if it was a shocking, bad thing. Basically, like, imagine Donald Trump saying today, I'm going to go have McDonald's and then maybe see my family. And then you get a liberal going, Donald Trump, unhealthy, wasting time, taking the day off because there's nothing to complain about anymore. This is what they're doing. Yeah, me, I'm just like, guys, it's sometimes okay just not to make the video, I guess. But I think a lot of these people are scared and desperate. I'm not as much. So look, the other day I was sitting here and I stayed way late and I'd exercise and I'm like sitting here like there's literally nothing. What we call these days

granular, a lot of little stories, nothing really moves the needle. So what this is, is news outlets have little to write about. So they rewrite existing stories and you get a whole bunch of stories that add like two percent of the information back into a story we already saw and i'm like okay you know back in the day the bbc would famously run an image on the screen saying there is no news and it would just show like the flag the british flag really i didn't know that yeah that's what i heard but now it no, no. No, you absolutely have to have news no matter what. Here we are. When I was a kid, you'd watch TV until they ran out of TV.

And then there would be what they called a test pattern. Yes, that's right. I remember those three in the morning. Boop! That was it. Or they would play the Star Spangled Banner. Yep. And that was civilization's way of telling you what Star Trek was.

This is the early 90s. In the early 90s, you'd fall asleep with the TV on and wake up to the test pattern, just showing all the colors and static. I used to try and watch Tales from the Crypt when I was little, but it would come on at like 11, and I'd fall asleep at like 9, because I was like 7 or something. And then I'd just wake up to the whatever, you know, good times.

Yeah. Back in the day, go through the six channels that you could receive, you know, and give up on the UHF and said, okay, I guess I'm going to have to read the, uh,

read the, the, the comics. All right. Grofty says a chicken knows when to buck buck and when to hold the buck, buck, buck chicken city is, uh, I'm telling you guys, chickencitylive.com. Because what you got to understand about Chicken City, it's ASMR.

You're at work, right? Let's say you're on the 30th floor of some Manhattan skyscraper. And the only sound you hear is the hum of the air ventilation blowing over your head. And you're sitting there with bags under your eyes doing another tps report man life then you look at your computer and the light bulb appears you type in chickencitylive.com and the live stream pops up and what do you hear you hear rain wind you hear buck, buck, buck. And now you are in nature, and those noises are soothing to the human soul. And that, folks, is the story behind the merger,

the acquisition of Timcast by Chicken City. Actually, people don't understand this. The parent company of Timcast is actually Chicken City. And I was in difficult negotiations with Roberto, but ultimately he agreed. And I was... Difficult negotiations with Roberto, but ultimately he agreed, and our principal source of funding for everything we do is the chickens. The Super Chats from the Chicken City is about $800,000 per month

in Super Chats just for the chickens, and they are fat and happy. It is passed through... You know, Russian... I said Soviet... No, it is Soviet. Yeah, they still exist. They're on the moon, though.

But Trump set it up, you know, because he's been a Soviet agent since the 80s. A Soviet asset. Indeed he has. Still waiting for the P-tape. Amber Black says, is it bad I want the Groypers banned from X only because they're so freaking annoying?

They're pretty annoying in the chat, too. Well, I did a poll, though. I did a poll, so don't worry. I did a poll on X, and I said Israel or Palestine. It's at 75% Israel, 25% Palestine, with 17,000 votes. 17,000

votes. So I love doing it. It's funny because That was a few weeks ago, right? The poll? I literally just did it right now. You just did it right now because you did that once before though. Yes. And it always ends up with the same proportions of large support for Israel. And I think it's funny because I didn't say anything. I didn't say who you support. I just literally

posted Israel-Palestine. You click a button. Can you believe that you do a poll sometimes and people think they're being really clever. Neither one! I hate them both! Who cares? That's all they're—yep. Save yourself.

Well, Michael Malice famously adds to all of his polls a question where it's like, I can't comprehend, you know, choice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good. Call him out. But it's funny because what they do is the people who the first thing I'll say is. They're liars, largely. My position on Israel is largely like slightly positive. You know, it's like I don't really know or care that much. I've been there before. It was all right.

I understand the criticisms of their military actions, the government, all that stuff. I think, you know, if you want to criticize the Israeli government, fine, as long as you understand foreign policy, and it's not your whole identity. And so I criticize what I call Israel derangement syndrome. And that is when someone's whole identity only exists around Israel, which is insane. For example, we had a journalist on the show, and one of our callers asked about the fentanyl crisis in West Virginia. And within 30 seconds, he was talking about Israel again. And I said, my my guy, we are talking about West Virginia. And he tried to justify why we had to talk about Israel in the context of opiates in West Virginia. And I was just like, OK, dude,

like that's Israel derangement syndrome. Now, what happens is the people who suffer from Israel derangement syndrome don't like that. They don't like that that's been identified. So what they do is they counter by positions, but pertaining to whether we fund Israel, whether their actions are justified. I think having a conversation about our military allies and the actions they take is 100 percent justified. What I think is absolutely psychotic is when someone then says, but, you know, Israel controls the United States. And I'm like, then why are we giving more money to Ukraine? Well, it's because Israel wants Ukraine to have the money, not Israel. I just, I just, I'm like, my dude, we have given more money to Ukraine than we've given to, more money to Ukraine in two years than we've given to Israel in 50.

Yeah. Like, the, the, Ukraine, the U.S. clearly has its interests. But, largely, my point ultimately is why these, these polls are funny is it's an internet hive. And so what they'll try to do is they'll, they'll bombard people with these comments, dislikes, et cetera, in an effort or the chat in an effort to convince them the audience actually supports one idea over the other, uh, sock puppetry. Well, fortunately I'm not an idiot, nor am I weak-willed. so I don't care if the audience is going to spam, you know, anti-Semitic or anti-Israel things.

I'm drawing a distinction between the two. I have a view on the matter that's not going to change based on the audience yelling. So what ends up happening then is I post a poll. Israel, Palestine, look at that. 75% says Israel. I didn't say anything about the country otherwise. The people who are spamming and saying Jews and Yamaka, whatever, are a fringe minority that are trying to play an audience manipulation game to trick these weak willed commentators

into switching into a narrative about Israel and Jews that is unpopular and wrong. And a lot of these creators and a lot of these individuals on the Internet are so weak willed that the moment they see that they get 200000 likes on one of these posts or views or whatever, not likes, they immediately think I'm going to do more of this. And there have been a series of influencers who had good ideas and were conservatives and were on X started posting more and more unhinged things where today today you look at their profile and the only thing they ever talk about is Jews. And I'm like, that is called audience capture manipulation, and those are weak-willed people.

Extremely weak-willed people. Tim, thank you very much. Here's your bison stick. Oh, thank you. Just make sure you sign the check before you go. No, that was a bison stick performance. The check is, of course, for the entire episode. What people don't know is while Chicken City is the parent company of TimCast IRL, it's funded by Mossad.

Well, of course. Anyway, all right, let's go. Slavkai says, for every Hasan Piker they prop up, we'll have two Sam Hydes ready. Also, Tim, try to get Sam Hyde to do a culture war with Dave Landau. That would be hilarious. Heavens me. We are trying to do more with culture war, men in the street, on the ground stuff. So a lot of, actually did a video, it got like 45,000, 50,000 views, I think.

Did pretty well. We just need to have them consistently rolling, so we'll figure that out, and I think it's going to be good. There's a lot to talk to the regular folk about. You know, originally, TimCast IRL was supposed to be that. I was going to do the... Yeah, the idea was I would do the morning show, and then if I got done early, I would... I built the van, the van, with solar panels and everything,

and then I would go to, like, a university and pull up a table and be like, let's talk about the news of the day and the podcast was supposed to be in real life with regular people but then covet happened so here we are instead in a studio show with recurring guests and things like that which is the kind of the opposite of what it was supposed to be that being said though we don't do any digital uh interviews so it is i'm glad you explained that because i've been on TimCast in real life I think four or five times now. And every time I come here

I'm wondering where the real life party is. While we're sitting here in front of each other. Yes, and for us it's real life. But none of these people realize that just as the moon landing was an elaborate hoax, we've all been in bed for hours. We're actually in Tel Aviv right now.

But of course... I thought that the moon landing was actually when they installed the space laser, the Jewish space laser. The reason why when you look out the windows you can see metal framing is because we're actually in a sound stage in Israel.

In the undivided capital of Jerusalem. Which you can, by the way, if you climb up to the top, you can see West Virginia from here because the earth is flat. That's right. And with a telescope. Just, you know. No, what's the single one called? An onoscope? No, a telescope and a binocular.

So it is a telescope. It is a telescope? Yeah. Oh, okay. Like the thing the pirates would use when they go like that? That was still just a telescope? Oh, okay. Like the thing the pirates would use when they'd go like that? That was still just a telescope? Oh, okay. Well, there you go. Telescope. Did you guys see the flat earthers once Antarctica

and discover the Earth was round? That was epic. That's a lot of traveling to figure out that the Earth's round. I admire them for going through with it and then saying, oh no, we were actually wrong instead of, oh, we did actually wrong instead of oh we did something wrong or our measurement tools got to Antarctica where they were met by the Mossad

who paid them off to say that the earth was round so you admit it of course you can't do anything about it anymore we control everything even the simulation of criticism of Mossad that's all a psyop so there's actually no opposition at all to Israel. That's a psyop. And all support is actually a psyop. Most people just don't even know what's going on or care. That's right. It's a PR campaign.

All right, all right, all right. What do we have here? Let's see. A Trudolf says, cartoonist was killed in France for drawing Muhammad. Again? Or is that the old story? I'll look up if you know. I don't know.

Another Charlie Hebdo type situation. Yeah. What have we here? The Realtor staff says, Fooking ridiculous for the amount of time it took the countless numbers of staffers to write 1,500 pages of ish. They could have just written an actual budget. Doge to the moon, please. Yup.

Yeah, it's on Porpoise. Yeah. Speaking of Porpoises, we got to swim with the manatees this past weekend. Yeah, in Florida. That's sick. When we went down the next day. So I don't much care to swim with the manatees, but Richie and Allison jumped in, and we had this little guide.

And this manatee was basically going to them and hanging out because it wanted belly rubs. That's hilarious. Yeah, and then when we were like, time to go, it swam over, and it wouldn't let one of the tour guides leave because she was giving it belly rubs. Yeah, it is fun. Humanities are big, doofy, slow things.

They can go fast, though. But they are fun. Sea cows. All right, what is this? What is, uh... Ian Slater says, Mazel Tov for tonight's episode. Not Jewish, but have my yarmulke on standby in solidarity.

Did Ben and Jerry set this up? I mean, Ben and Jeremy. Sorry, it wasn't the ice cream thing. No, those are actually Palestinian guys. They're the Jews who hate Israel kind of guys because they live. Yeah, Ben, I thought you were talking about Ben and Jeremy. I was like, those guys are Palestinians. That's right.

Yeah, no. I once met a guy who was a fan of the show. And then he asked me something about if I thought, something about lizard people. He was like, yeah, I think Trump's going to win. It's really great. But I'm concerned about the reptilians. And I was like, is this a joke? And then he started saying a bunch of wacky stuff.

And I'm like, man, there are people out there who fall for anything. Yep. That's scary. So, I mean, but what, so what did he mean? I have no idea. Okay. He thought Hillary Clinton was a lizard or something and Trump was fighting. I don't know if he's just being derogatory like chuck schumer is a reptile figuratively or literally he was talking about how he's like big and he was like watching q and then started reading into it and he's concerned that the reptilians aren't going to let trump win and i was like you

mean like lizard people and he was like well yeah and i'm just like it's hard for me to believe there are people out there who actually think these things that are walking around like living a normal life but that's the internet for you they all have equal say on the internet too the person who you're arguing with on the internet believes that um reptiles run our government yep all right what is this i don't know what that means all right we'll read one more here check out richard Barris' The People's Pundit podcast from today. He revealed that more people seem to have found spirituality. Very interesting.

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Trump to be the head of the Civil Rights Division in the Justice Department. A fantastic development. Good for every American. Every American. She knows what she's doing. She knows how to do it. She's going to rock. Cheers to that.

Ron, it's been awesome having you on the show and hanging out with you tonight. I wanted to say it would be cool to see if Trump tapped you as well, not just some Harmeet Dhillon. I'm not on his radar. I'm not on his radar. And I'll tell you the truth,

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