Timcast IRL - Erika Kirk Addresses Public After Charlie Kirk Assassination, Live Coverage w/ Mayor Trent Staggs

Episode Date: September 13, 2025

Tim, Phil, Ian, & Tate are joined by Mayor Trent Staggs to discuss Trump saying Erika Kirk wants Turning Point USA to continue, Tim Pool joing Jesse Waters, and Erika Kirk's first public remarks since the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Hosts:  Phil @PhilThatRemains (X) Tate @RealTateBrown (X) Ian @IanCrossland (everywhere) Serge @SergeDotCom (everywhere) Guest: Mayor Trent Staggs @MayorStaggs (X)

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Erica Kirk is set to make her first public remarks since the murder of her husband, Charlie, from Arizona tonight. We will have that.

I believe that's going to be about 815 on the East Coast. The left is trying to place the blame for the murder on the right. They're trying to say that the murderer was actually a Groyper. He was a maga-loving Republican and that Charlie wasn't far right enough. So we'll talk a little bit about that. But this is going to cover most of the night. So we'll have probably a hit from Tim Poole when he's on Fox News coming up shortly. So that's going to be most of what we'll talk about tonight.

So we're just going to get right into it. Joining us tonight is Mayor Staggs. How you doing? It's been a rough few days. I know it's for Tim and for all of you. And most definitely, you know, can't even imagine with the Kirk family. Why don't you go ahead and introduce yourself and tell the viewers a little bit about yourself? Yeah, so I'm in elected office mayor of Riverton, Utah, and that was about 20 miles north of the assassination.

That just occurred here on Wednesday. And in addition to being mayor, I've been appointed by President Trump in the Small Business Administration's Office of Advocacy. It was appointed back in May, and our office actually focuses, conducts business outreach, small businesses, 500 fewer employees, and tries to find, help identify and eliminate. burdensome regulation. So it's a, with my business background, having worked in Fortune 100, small, medium business, and then public company, and in government as well, it really, really resonates with me. It's why I accepted the appointment. It's because of President Trump as well, with how serious he is, is the top three priority for him with respect to deregulation. Awesome. Thanks for joining us. Ian is here. Hey, man. Hey, Phil. Good to see you guys. Hey, Trent.

Good to see you, man. Always a pleasure. We also got Tate Brown in the house. Let's go. How's everyone doing? St. Brown here? Yeah, I was holding down for PCC this week. Made it through the week. We had a few tech issues, which is 100% on me. But, yeah, happy to be.

We're blaming Brett. All the PCC tech issues are Brett's fault. Brett's sabotage. And Brett was good. Today was the best episode of PCC ever, ever, we ever had. Yeah, ever, mainly because of Ian. Yeah, I would say so. So, Mayor Steggs, how far is Riverton from the UVU campus?

We're just about 20 miles away. So you're right north. kind of in between Salt Lake City and Orham, Utah, where Utah Valley University is. You know, I've been in Utah practically my entire life, definitely my entire adult life. It's really incredibly tragic. You know, I had the fortune to meet Charlie back in 23 when I ran for U.S. Senate. He was my very first, you know, major endorsement, somebody who truly believed in me. You know, somebody who would just, when not many else did, he believed in me.

He was willing to stand up and say, you have the courage to take on the establishment, what he called the cabal. Yeah. In challenging Mitt Romney at the time. Mitt Romney subsequently got out. We had other people into the race that he had put his kind of muff behind. But he was my very first endorsement. I'll never forget it.

He was an incredible, incredible individual, so bright, so articulate. We had several other occasions to meet my wife and him. Also, my son, he came out last April, April 24, and we had a big rally for my Senate campaign. So well attended, and my 15-year-old son absolutely adored Charlie. It was a highlight of his life, is to be able to interact with him, take pictures. People ask him today, who's the most famous person you've ever? him at him. He'll say Charlie Kirk.

That's awesome. So we're going to jump right into this piece here from Newsweek. Charlie Kirk's wife, Erica, wants to keep Turning Point going, Trump says. During an interview appearance on Friday morning on Fox News's

Fox and Friends, President Donald Trump said Charlie Kirk's widow, Erica, wants to keep his conservative youth organization Turning Point USA running following his assassination. Newsweek contacted Turning Point USA for comment on Friday via online inquiry from outside of regular office hours. Turning Point USA, which Kirk co-founded in 2012 when he was 18 years old, developed into one of the most prominent conservative advocacy groups in the United States.

In turn, Kirk became an important ally of Trump's making a number of appearances at his campaign rallies during the last year's presidential election. If Erica Kirk, who hosts the Midweek Rise Up podcast, continues her late husband's work at Turning Point USA, the group is likely to remain an influential force in American politics, particularly among college students. I'm not familiar with Erica's podcast, but I know that the work that Turning Point does has really had a massive, massive impact on American politics overall, particularly when it comes to getting the youth into politics. Because for the most part, the people that are out there voting regularly, particularly in the midterms, they're always the older people.

They're always, you know, 55 and up, you know, people our age and up. Not quite there yet. Not quite, not quite. But I mean, I drive, you know, my house is, I'm a resident of New Hampshire. So I, like every November when there's elections, I drive all the way to New Hampshire so that way I can make sure that I can vote and stuff. but to have turning point really getting young people involved has been a massive boon for the right and it probably probably had a lot to do with with Donald Trump getting elected 100 percent Charlie said this when he came out and we conducted our rally he said you know when

he first started turning point it was quite literally it was scary because by all indications the 18 to 34 year old cohort was going off the cliff progress. Yeah. And what he was able to do through sheer will and just his work ethic and and being able to get together with great, great people like Tyler Boyer and others build his organization. It is now the most conservative. It's been in 50, in over 50 years. Yeah. He was always, he was so proud of that fact when we would speak. That was just because it was, it was his organization that was largely, I believe, really instrumental in getting that shifting that tide. And now we've got, you know, just a general. of conservatives that I think will definitely help change in the future of this country. When you said 50, the most conservative has been in 50 years, is that the populace itself, you feel, or is it the Republican Party? What were you, what did you mean when you said that? The males between men between 18 and 34, that cohort, he said, was the most conservative. It's been in over 50 years. And when he started, it wasn't that way.

at all. They weren't. He's been instrumental. He's been instrumental in moving zoomers to the right. I've said it on the show. I said it on the show yesterday. I mean, the reason why he's perceived as such a threat to the left is because he's occupied. This is a line from John Doyle.

He's occupied the mainstream. And he's transformed the mainstream. He's reinvented the mainstream. And like you're talking about, I mean, the proofs in the pudding. Zoomer men, particularly, it's the most right-wing generation, at least as long as we've logged it at this age, at this age. Because what's the Rush Limbault quote is if you're not a liberal at 20, you have no heart, if you're not a conservative by 40, have no brain. Well, it looks like Zoomers, maybe you don't have hearts.

I don't know, but certainly have brains because they've shifted to the right in massive numbers. There's a lot of liberals in the Republican Party now, like actually liberal people, they dispense with that slur. That's not. That's not. People that care about like the First Amendment. You're absolutely right, but young people are not those people. Young people are very conservative. They would not look at the left.

It would not, yes, like I said, you're right about that, but they're not the young people. I think I would have been considered the target demo for Kirk and I certainly was I mean I was a huge fan of his of his work and it's because I and I think I'm the demographic he was targeting because I grew up in a Republican household I grew up in a Christian conservative household I just couldn't quite put the pieces together and I think that's who his work specifically was targeting was all those men who yeah they go into college yeah I'm conservative but they don't quite have a grasp on the ideas and he's able to fill in the gaps and make you realize oh I could be an asset to the movement right I could be in some cases matriculated into future leaders and that's what that's what kirk was really speaking to that's true that's true um maybe not put all the pieces together but i got i got to tell you this the public universities and charlie got this better than anybody it is such a cesspool of woke indoctrination he saw that you know he never went to college himself you know he would always say a college is scam um hi i'm chris gathard and i'm very excited to tell you about beautiful and honest a podcast where i talk to random people on the phone i tweet out a phone number thousands of

people try to call. You talk to one of them. They stay anonymous. I can't hang up. That's all the rules. I never know what's going to happen. We get serious ones. I've talked with meth dealers on their way to prison. I've talked to people who survive mass shootings. Crazy funny ones. I talked to a guy with a goose laugh. Somebody who dresses up as a pirate on the weekends. I never know what's going to happen. It's a great show. Subscribe today, beautiful anonymous. But it was just so full of woke indoctrination that then he needed to go into that lion's den and he needed to be able to provide that space he made it cool he made conservatism cool again and to be religious you know he always talked about his faith um and he just did that so openly and so uh boldly that you couldn't help

but respect that i remember charlie talking about that that that kind of debate one-on-one it is um it is the most manly thing you can do yeah right go toe to toe with somebody and and be able to just articulate your beliefs in that way. Yeah, and one of the great things about Charlie, and I heard Shapiro was talking about this a little bit, but one of the great things about Charlie Kirk is he didn't start out because he started so young, right? Like he was 18 years old when he was doing his or 17 when he was doing his first stuff

with the tea party in like 2011 or whatever. And he started so young. He wasn't an amazing singer, I mean, sorry, an amazing speaker. He had to learn. And he really learned how to become an absolutely great debater and a great speaker. So he didn't have a college education. There's a lot of kids that would bring that up when he would go to colleges and talk to kids. They would try to make some make hay of the fact that he didn't have a college education.

And he would, you know, spank these kids with the debates that he was in. And I think that that really does inspire young men because they see I can, because that's really what. what young guys really want is they want to feel like they can do that, right? And Charlie Kirk made young guys feel like I can do something that matters. And he's not so much older than me. I can do something, not decades down the road. I can do something now. Charlie started when he was young. I can do something right now that's going to matter. And for a young guy that feels like he's kind of listless and doesn't know what he should be doing in life, if you don't have meaning, that's a great meaning. That's a great way to say, look, I actually have value, the fact that I can go and do something

right now. Yeah, well, and I think it's like you were talking about Maras, what Kirk's value especially was, was, again, like talking about kids that were going into college already conservative, coming from conservative families. Like I went to St. John's University in New York. Half the students there, they're sourcing most of their students from Long Island. So like half the students there were conservative or grew up in conservative households. We just kept our heads down for the most part. And I was in college recently. I graduated two years ago. and it was guys like Kirk that kind of created the room on these college campuses to be able to express your opinions and then also to engage with with material that would expand those those opinions and sort of fill in the gaps so to speak and there wouldn't have been room without Kirk it would have been like I speak to older zoomers and younger millennials I mean the college campuses were a total disaster I mean we remember 2016 the situations on these campuses when you know Ben Shapiro or Milo would roll up and they would just light everything on fire by the time I got in a college that wasn't really the case and it was largely because of Charlie Kirk, making it acceptable to be a conservative on campus,

not just acceptable, but in many cases promoted because like you said, it was cool. You pointed out, Phil, that he got started when he was like 17. That's why he was evergreen and why at 31, the 16 and 18-year-old still loved him. Because it wasn't like he got really famous in his late 20s and then was killing it at 50 and 40. He started, I mean, I know this is redundant and it's obvious, but because he started so young and was successful as a young man, even as an old man, he still inspired. young men. Well, 31 year old guy is not old, but yeah, you're totally right. I mean, you hit the nail in the head. He was inspiring young people. And I think that that's part of

why he was so successful is the fact that he wasn't just a guy that was, you know, out there speaking. He was inspiring people. He was telling, he was, even if he wasn't communicating it, he or even if he wasn't articulating it, he was communicating that you can do this. You can make a difference. And that's a big deal. Um, We do we have a any word so I just want to quickly make sure everyone knows that we're going to be I see people in the chat saying they're going to go watch the address we'll be having the address here as well we'll be simulcasting from Charlie Kirk's account on X in a second year so yeah um I'll pull it up okay so um I guess we should uh we should talk about a little bit about um I didn't want to jump into this too early but one of the things that you're seeing a lot on the internet right now is the left is is is Shevelled and a mess. Oh, Tim's on. Bring that up. It's on Fox. We're going to bring that up right now. I'm not going to get Tim really fast. You guys know who Tim Poole is out there on the air? It's actually a right thing. That he's from a Christian conservative family who loved guns and in fact

he attacked Charlie for not being conservative enough. And they've tried making similar claims pertaining to the man who tried to kill Donald Trump crooks in Pennsylvania. But it is it is absolutely absurd. I've been dealing with this since the beginning of my career. I have dealt with physical assault attacks from the left, from violent extreme leftists. We call them the black block back during Occupy Wall Street. This was covered extensively when I was actually championed by the left for documenting Occupy Wall Street and I was physically attacked by leftists. Even to this day, the death threats that we receive, the security that I have to have every day is, it's tremendous. same thing among my liberal counterparts. They don't require the same degree of security.

So it's a gaslighting campaign, in my opinion, because in order to maintain the lie that the right is more violent, they do several things. They try to gaslight us in situations like this that a conservative would shoot Charlie Kirk. He was the greatest tool in the arsenal of conservative values. And they go online, they use these NGOs, these nonprofits, to claim that a run-of-the-mill moderate conservative is the same thing as a white supremacist who wants to overthrow the government. They're so far removed from each other. That's the game they're playing now because they don't want to take responsibility for the rhetoric. The rhetoric they say every day when they accuse us of being Nazis or fascists or far right. They say this so that,

as you've already pointed out, when the violence happens, no one likes a Nazi, right? But let me add this. I think the reality now that I've unfortunately had to deal with that we are all seeing is that this man who shot Charlie was much closer to mainstream Democrat than any of us wanted to believe. I woke up to posts on Instagram from people that I thought were my friends that I have known for years. And mind you, they're liberal, but I always considered them to be moderate liberals, not particularly active. And they're posting messages saying, Charlie deserved it. He got the world he wanted. And they know who I am, and they know that he was my friend. And I don't understand how these relationships can be repaired.

Even friends of mine who are not political, who are, you know, telling me, I'm sorry, you know, this happened, are telling, they're saying on their Facebooks, there are people posting celebrating this that they didn't even realize we're political. And I don't know how we recover from that. So how did that culture begin? You're familiar with the Internet. You're familiar with Antifa. You understand the militancy that you see and you encounter when you go into the culture. these precincts. This kid raised with good parents, it seems like, lives a normal life in Utah. How did he snap like that? It's really hard to know, but I've talked about it quite a bit

in my research. I'll try and keep it as succinct as I can. The algorithms of social media starting in the late 2000s. In Lexus Nexus data, you can see the words like racism, white supremacy, fascism, skyrocket in their usage in mainstream newspapers and online publications. This was likely due to the big tech platforms prioritizing algorithmic feeds. That is, they were going to show you content that got more engagement. And to the average person, a story of injustice and racism generated anger. Anger is the most likely to generate some content to be shared. It's the most likely to make someone share content.

And so what we instantly saw were websites that were posting articles, say, about politics, realize if they write about police brutality, racism, or some kind of social injustice, they will get substantially more clicks, shares, and in turn, money. There was a really good example. It was reported, Mike.com, for instance, originally started as a Ron Paul libertarian website. But as they began posting police brutality videos and made more money off it, the narrative shifted towards left-aligned ideology. Now, what do you think happens to a young man who is 13 years old on Facebook or on one of these other platforms, and the algorithm is showing them nothing but social injustice, leftist ideology, and they may be normal. They may be in a Christian conservative family, but every day they open their apps, whatever platform they be using, they see nothing over and over again, racism, white supremacy, racism over and over. And they see these messages from Democrats saying, we can't tolerate this, we can't let them,

when eventually their whole world, they live in a paranoid delusional state where they would accuse Charlie of being racist, of advocating for slavery, exemplified, in fact, by Stephen King posting that Charlie Kirk had advocated the stoning of gays, which he never did, and Stephen King was forced to apologize for. These ideas that they spread through lies and fake news are crazy. You know why? Because the guy lives alone in a cabin in the woods in Maine and just stares at his screen all day. I mean, he's like the perfect example of something. someone getting spun up by these demonic forces online. That's very interesting analysis.

Thank you so much. This is even a more challenging issue than I even understood. We appreciate it, Tim. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it. Public news founder, Michael Schellenberger, is here. Yeah, so. Schellberger is great, too.

Yeah, Schellenberger is great. So that brings, you know, Tim was actually touching on what we were about to talk about before we jump to the Fox piece. This is a Newsweek piece. What is a Groyper? What to know about Nick Fuentes' alt-right movement. Now, the reason that they're talking about this at all is because there are people out there trying to make the argument that this kid wasn't a leftist, that he didn't have any left-leaning ideas, that the kid was actually so far right that he thought that Charlie Kirk was not far right enough. even though these same people that will make this argument are calling Charlie Clerk a Nazi, calling him a fascist, right?

You don't get more far right than a, at least to a normie. I know there are people out there that are going to say, but horseshoe theory or what have you. Some people will say, well, Jonah Goldberg's book was right and the Nazis are actually left and blah, blah, blah. I understand those arguments. I'm aware of them. But the typical person. I got someone live on this right now. Is she?

I see someone out there. I don't know. Oh, yeah, he's just checking. It looks like he's just checking, yeah. Looks at my check, yeah. But they're saying that this guy was so far right that he thought that Charlie Kirk wasn't far right enough, and they're saying that he was a Groyper.

So from Newsweek, the killing of conservative activists, Charlie Kirk, has reignited attention on a long time simmering feud within elements of the far right, particularly between Kirk and the so-called Groyper movement led by white nationalist Nick Fuentes. Kirk was shot and killed on September 10th during an appearance at Utah Valley University as authorities investigated the mode of online speculation has turned towards extremist factions that once targeted Kirk specifically Fuentes Groeper Army, which has long accused him of being insufficiently radical. Well, hello, Tim Poole. Pretty good. I saw you on Fox News a while ago.

Yeah. I was wondering at Fox. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I want to take the opportunity to reach out to as many audiences I could. Fox had reached out and earlier in the week but obviously I said look unfortunately I'm busy but they do these things

with satellite trucks or cell phone trucks basically and so they had one on and it was an honor to be on the same day you know as one of the voices to speak before Erica's gonna make her statement we're going on this Groyper thing

but you made a really good point about the algorithmic thing I know you've made it a lot of times that in 2008 it was it was time sensitive it was whatever the most recent and then all the sudden there's a switch to what's the most popular, and that just the beast spun out of control.

It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy in that to the average person, what's popular has a lot to do with what the New York Times, CNN, or Fox Entertainment decides. So if they say, tonight we're going to run with a football game, tomorrow everyone's talking about football. When I went to Facebook, they said, we'll do the same thing. Whatever people like will show them, it created an algorithmic feedback loop where it whittles itself down to one singular topic, social justice. The right is bad. Everybody writing white supremacists are evil. And they found their path to making money. White supremacy is is abhorrent and everybody hates it. They need to find some white supremacists. And so that's what they've been doing for a decade. Looking for nails with their hammers.

Well, and thereby that's actually created people that that will essentially say, look, if you're going to call someone like Charlie Kirk a white supremacist. It doesn't matter. And I think that that's probably fed into why there are a small but possibly growing group of people that are like, yeah, I think that America should be just white people. This, this griper sigh up is vomitous. Can you explain, I know personally, who are the groypers? What is a groyper? It's Nick Fuentes' fan base. Is it just like, are they inherently racist? Is that their thing is we're going to be like racist guys? But for this to be on Newsweek. I know. Right. I mean, journalism is completely dead. To your point, that was a brilliant analysis, by the way, because this type of injection of that, it is, it is, it is done intentionally and it's to increase likes and views. And it's, and you see that proliferation of that terminology. This is disgusting. I've, I'm sure you have to. I've been called a racist. I've been, I mean, just recently the day before. Daily.

Charlie's assassination. I had one of our mainstream newspapers in Utah that accused me and Senator Mike Lee of being racist, of being fascist, you know, Nazi puppet foot soldiers. And I had not thought about that before, Tim, where we're just using that terminology, they don't care if it's true. They don't, they know it's not, but it's driving clickbait, it's driving revenue. They don't care if they get, if it costs you your life. These people are monsters. And, like, Newsweek thinks their audience are idiots, quite frankly. That's what this article is. I think we're, everyone knew what happened on Wednesday.

Yep, I think that's here. And now, yeah, let's pull it up. Let's pull it up. Erica speaking. Oh, man. Erica Kirk. Yeah, I'm trying to put the unmute right now. My name is Erica Kirk. Charlie Kirk is my husband.

Yep. I first want to thank the local, state, and federal law enforcement who worked tirelessly to capture my husband's assassin. so that he can be brought to justice. I want to thank the first responders who struggled heroically, to save Charles' life, and the police who acted bravely to make sure that there were no other victims on that terrible afternoon. I want to thank the officers who have protected our Turning Point USA family these past two days.

And I want to thank the Turning Point USA Board, the COO, Justin Strife, and my husband's chief of staff, the amazing Mikey McCoy, for all their work in these terrible days to be the stability for our family and for the wider Turning Point USA family as well. My heart is with every one of my husband's employees who lost a friend and a mentor. I want to thank the staffers of this, his amazing Charlie Kirk show, who helped him broadcast from this studio, this chair. Every day he loved it. He loved what he did. I want to thank the millions of people who have shown their love for Charlie here in Phoenix. across America and worldwide.

I want to thank my husband's dear friend, Vice President Vance, and his phenomenal wife, Usha, for their love and support. You guys honored my husband so well bringing him home. You both are tremendous. I want to thank President Trump. Thank President Trump and his incredible family for the same. Mr. President, my husband loved you. And he knew that you loved him too. He did. Your friendship was amazing. You supported

him so well, as did he for you. Two days ago, my husband, Charlie, went to see the face of his Savior and his God. Charlie always said that when he was gone, he wanted to be remembered for his courage and for his faith. And one of the final conversations that he had on this earth, my husband witnessed for his Lord and Savior. now and for all eternity he will stand at his Savior's side wearing the glorious crown of a martyr Charlie loved life he loved his life

he loved America he loved nature which helped him always bring him closer to God. He loved the Chicago Cubs. And my goodness, did he love the Oregon Ducks? He'd want me to say go Ducks, so I have to since they play on Saturday. So go Ducks. But most of all, Charlie loved his children. And he loved me with all of his heart. And I knew that. Every day I knew that. He made sure I knew that every day. Every day he would ask me, how can I serve you better?

How can I be a better husband? How can I be a better father? Every day. Every day. He was such a good man. He still is a good man. He was the perfect father. He was the perfect husband.

Charlie always believed that God's design for marriage in the family was absolutely amazing. And it is. It is. And it was the greatest joy of his life. And over and over he would tell all these young people to come and find their future spouse, become wives and husbands and parents. And the reason why is because he wanted you all to experience what he had and still has.

He wanted everyone to bring heaven into this earth through love and joy. that comes from raising a family. It's beautiful. Charlie always said that if he ever ran for office, I know a lot of you asked if he ever was going to, but privately he told me, if he ever did run for office, that his top priority would be

to revive the American family. That was his priority. One of Charlie's favorite Bible verses was Ephesians 5, verse 25. Husbands. Love your wives. As Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her.

My husband laid down his life for me, for our nation, for our children. He showed the ultimate and true covenantal love. I will never ever have the words to describe the loss that I feel in my heart. I honestly have no idea what any of this means. I know that God does, but I don't. But Charlie, baby, I know you do too. I know you do.

So does our Lord. And our world is filled with evil. But our God, you guys, our God is so good. So incredibly good. And we know that for those who love God, all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. Already I have seen the worldwide outpouring of love for my husband. I've heard the testimonies from people my husband inspired to get married, to start

families, to seek out a relationship with God. It's the most important, most important one of all. The evil-doers responsible for my husband's assassination have no idea what they have done. They killed Charlie because he preached a message of patriotism, faith, and of God's merciful love. But they should all know this. If you thought that my husband's mission was powerful before, you have no idea. You have no idea what you just have unleashed across this entire country. In this world, you have no idea. You have no idea the fire that you have ignited within this wife.

The cries of this widow will echo around the world like a battle cry. To everyone listening tonight across America, the movement my husband built will not die. it won't I refuse to let that happen it will not die all of us will refuse to let that happen no one will ever forget my husband's name and I will make sure of it it will become stronger bolder louder and greater than ever my husband's mission will not end not even for a moment. And one of Charlie's greatest talents was his ability, this phenomenal ability to choose great people to follow him. He could always find the ones who could handle any setback. And it's almost like he knew. He just, he could see it in you. Even when you couldn't see it in

yourself, he just knew. He knew you could handle it. You thought you only had 5% left and he knew you at 15. He knew you were ready to go that extra mile even when you didn't. He always challenged people around him to work harder and to be better. He never gave up. And I love knowing that one of his, one of his mottoes was never surrender. So I want to tell you that that we'll never surrender. We never will. Ever. Ever. Ever. Ever. Our campus tour this fall will continue. There will be even more tours in the years to come. America Fest here in Phoenix, this December will go on.

It will be greater than ever. The radio and podcast show that he was so proud of, will go on, and in a world filled with chaos, filled with chaos, doubt, and uncertainty, my husband's voice will remain, and it will ring out louder and more clearly than ever, and his wisdom will endure. My favorite, my favorite too, but my husband's favorite word in the English language was earn. He would call all of you to be people of action who earn the future America deserves. So to all of the young people who felt inspired by my husband's faith in hard work,

all of you already know what Charlie would want you to do. You know. You know. If you're in high school or if you're in college, go find your local Turning Point USA chapter. join it stay involved he wants you to make a difference

and you can you can the movement's not going anywhere and it will only grow stronger when you join it if there isn't a chapter you can't find one then start one there is no excuse you can start one

and as my husband used to say in this room every single day if you want to want to get involved, the best way you can do that is going to TPUSA.com. That's what he would say every day from this chair. Every single day, I watch to show every day. And he would always say, if you want to get involved, go to tpUSA.com. If you're a pastor, join our movement at TPUSA Faith. And if you're a parent, I highly recommend that you come to America Fest in December. Sign up right now for that because we would love to see you. I would love to see you. I would

love to see you. Charlie would. He'll be there. He'll be there in spirit. Bring your kids, bring your family. But most important of all, if you aren't a member of a church, I beg you to join one, a Bible believing church. Our battle is not simply a political one above all. It is spiritual. It is spiritual. The spiritual warfare is palpable. Charlie loved his Savior with all of his heart, and he wanted every one of you to know him too. He wanted everyone to know that if they confess, if they confess the Lord Jesus Christ who rose from the dead, then they will be saved. Hear me when I say this, nobody is ever too young to know the gospel. nobody

nobody is ever too young to get involved with saving this beautiful country this country my husband loved and still loves and nobody is ever too old either there's no age limit I know my husband is still here

he's watching over us I don't remember the last time I slept. I couldn't sleep last night. And Charlie, baby, Charlie, I promise, I will never let your legacy die, baby. I won't. I promise I'll make Turning Point USA the biggest thing that this nation has ever seen. I promise. Charlie, I love you. I love you, baby. I love you, baby. rest in the arms of our Lord as he blankets you with the words I know your heart always strived to hear well done my good and faithful servant when I got home last night Gigi our daughter just ran into our arms

And I talked to her and she said, Mommy, I missed you. I said, I miss you, too, baby. She goes, where's daddy? What do you tell a three-year-old? She's three. I said, baby, Daddy loves you so much. Don't you worry? He's on a work trip with Jesus so he can afford your blueberry budget.

And my goodness, am I so. so humbled to witness Charlie, you alongside Jesus right now, doing what you always want to do, baby, making heaven crowded, right? That's what it's all about. Making heaven crowded. I can't wait to see you again one day. Thank you all again who love my husband, who supported him. who wrote him an email every single day during his radio show he read all of them

all of them God bless you all you all and may God bless America I can't imagine that was for her. That woman is powerful. You did an amazing job. I was, I, I, I, I, I, I don't know how she did it. It was, it was incredibly powerful and well done. The, first of all, the, the courage it takes to do public

speaking in general and to do it after someone, your significant other is dead, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I can't imagine. I was doing okay until she started talking about a kid. Yeah. Yeah. Gigi. Yeah. I, it is, you know, I was watching the news. I mean, one of the hardest things about wanting to cover this is that I was talking my wife earlier, I'm watching the TV, the news is on, I'm paying attention to everything, waiting for every little detail, every little update.

And I said to my wife, I, The people who were on the TV, on the news channels, talking about what's going on are our friends. They're friends of ours. In tears about what has happened to give these news updates and what is currently going on. And it's terrifying. It's an indescribable terror that doesn't seem possible or real that this has come to our table. everything always felt so far away and like something else

there are a lot of people that we know that are still when they're reading the news and I can see it in their reporting and they're friends of ours and we respect them but the reporting still shows to them Charlie was someone they had heard of

who has died who was killed and I see the posts and they're putting the reporting out and I don't mean that anyway to be disrespectful just that for those of us that knew Charlie

who had been helped by Charlie it it's particularly difficult I prayed to Charlie yesterday I just prayed and I asked him what should I do and he said

I said what a you have to do it go to TPSA.com he basically said it you have to do it now it's you now and he's right did someone make

a Chad meme of of giga charlie and then he said go to tpusa.com giga charlie that's awesome i uh we're we're setting up we're trying to keep doing what we do we're trying to keep the show going we've got events planned and i tried skating today but my cortisol levels are higher than i've ever expected my anxieties through the roof i noticed it on on culture war this morning sorry if my interruption actually and it spiked more cortisol when we were talking earlier i could feel the tension and I felt like, I don't want to get angry with you, man. I love you, brother.

Like, you're like one of my brothers. I don't want this to turn into something where we or whoever. I want everyone to understand. Charlie invited Ian onto his stage three times and helped us organize putting this together so that for all the things that people say about Ian and his views and what they think, the disagreements. Because I know, to be fair, I'm not trying to rag on Ian.

And, you know, it's the ones of the 20s, the people who love Ian and love his ideas. Charlie was very clearly often frustrated, much like everybody else's, but welcomed him every time to be on that stage in front of this audience, to say what Ian had to say because Charlie was there to have that conversation with everybody. And the proof is in the pudding. The proof is in the Ian being invited to Amfest to come on stage. and be in. I felt like, and I, this is not about me, but I felt like I lost my best debate partner, and you're my best debate partner right now,

but Charlie, I just something about him, man. Like, I felt like if I could talk about Christianity because you know I'm agnostic, but if anyone on earth I could get through, have a good, deep understanding is with Charlie. I, for those that are wondering, while Erica was speaking, I was absolutely listening,

and some, I saw some people post that I was on my phone. because I was looking for the Timcast IRL episode where we were invited to use Charlie's studio with the big Charlie Kirk show and Timcast IRL right above it. And he told us that if we came to Arizona, not only would he take care of everything to make sure we could be there and have us on stage, he would give us his own studio to use, his staff to run it. and he built us a studio at Turning Point USA so that we could be in Arizona for the week, do the show, and be a part of what he had built. I'm seeing a lot of people so deeply moved, and I was talking to the mayor here just before the show started, and you were telling me your story about how Charlie helped you. And I had realized everybody is so moved and saddened by this because Charlie treated everybody else. like he was there to serve you, that you were, you were more important.

He'd be backstage before he's about to go on to, I don't know, I'm any, 10, 5,000 people. And he just talked to me, like a full-on engagement. To Ian, of all people, you know. I don't, I did nothing for that. I never, I mean, I tried, but I never, no, he was there for everybody. No, you know, you wanted to be.

Again, I just, I just say that was the most, perhaps motive experience of my life. And to see that woman was such courage and be able to speak what she did like you said I don't know

how she made it through it I like that she was defiant she really was and what made it you know when she said that Charlie he had this right this talent to be able to seek people out

and say you can do more you maybe you think you can only do 5% no no Charlie I know you can do 15 what made that particularly difficult too to watch from that very

studio. You know, that's where I first met Charlie, and I was showing you a picture of that as she was speaking. And this was in, right after the 4th of July in 2023, shortly after I'd announced my candidacy for U.S. Senate, I'm sitting there, right there, the first time I'd ever met him. But he met, he just had this way about him, as you were just describing. Totally believed in me, when so few did, you know, it was like, who is this guy? He's a mayor from small town in Utah. He thinks he's going to run against the establishment, challenge Mitt Romney. He said, I can

see it in you. You're going to be able to say no to the cabal. He looked me straight in the eye, and he said, I don't really know much about you, but I can tell right now that you've got that, and I want to endorse you. He goes, I won't do it here. Let's go on stage to

turning point action 10 days from now. Can you come out to West Palm Beach? And I just my jaw dropped, and I said, absolutely I will. And he brought me on stage, you know, Vivek Ramoswamy was there right after me, so I got to interact with him behind the stage, and then President Trump came shortly thereafter. It was just amazing, amazing individual. There are so many stories that I've heard from so many people that it seems impossible. The stories of when I met Charlie, he moved mountains for me.

he fought real hard to make my life better, my success. It almost seems like there wasn't enough time in the world for Charlie to have been helping so many people. But I'm just, everyone I meet is saying, they're telling me these stories about how, you know, when I met Charlie, I was working on this and he set time aside to come and help me. I was saying, we were talking about before the show, we have a lot of friends in the industry and politics, and they're friends. and I mean that with all due respect when they're available when they're busy I understand sometimes can't get a hold of them Charlie always answered always responded

and said I'll take care of it we got you don't worry about it it was I don't know how we possibly did it he must have been sitting there on his phone with his phone blowing up there are people I'll text I'll hear back from him three hours later and I don't blame them for it because even I'm busy you know Charlie responds in a minute like I got you you know I take I want to one of the things that Tim says or the point that they're making here is

how Charlie was a servant. Can you talk a little bit about how that fits in with his Christian life? Because, I mean, I understand it a little bit, but you're kind of like more religiously devout than I have been in decades. So I'd like your input on that. I mean, it's, you'd be hard pressed to find a better representative of Christ in the United States, certainly. I mean, you're hearing the stories of how many irons in the fire.

You're hearing stories from Ian of how gracious. and kind he was to everybody and how hard of a worker he was. And the only thread that ties all of that together was his dedication to Christ. And I think over the past few days, I think a lot of us have been feeling this pull to Christ, this feeling of ineptitude, this feeling of we can do more, and this feeling of introspection. And I think that's real. I think that's raw. And I think everyone is feeling that. And I think that is the pull of Christ. And Charlie just emphasizes over and over again of how important it is to get right with Christ. Because as Erica noted, Charlie, the first thing he heard after that bullet ripped through his neck was well done, my good and faithful

servant. So just lean into that pull. Everyone's feeling. Christ loves you so much. And to everyone at this table. Christ loves you so much. There's a very funny meme that I was, that I've seen from 4chan. And I said it this morning, I'll say it for those that are watching now, and it's a, it's a funny green text story where someone said that, and I'm paraphrasing, but you know the story, that they're basically an in-cell. They're out of shape. They don't know what they're doing, and they decided one day to make a difference. So they go to the gym, and they're overweight, have no idea how to exercise or what to do or how to improve themselves, and they're looking at the weight rack when a Chad walks over,

super ripped, tall, dark, and handsome, and he looks them and he says, here, buddy, take these weights, let me show you how to do it, teaches them how to use the weights, and he says, I want you to do a certain amount of reps of these, then talk to me and we'll focus on these other weights, and let me know when you're done, and I'm going to see you here tomorrow, right? Because I got leg day for you. And this guy telling the story says,

is this what it feels like to have a king? my liege. But the emotions exemplified in this, I think is very important, and it does relate to what Tate was saying, so let me explain. The meaning conveyed is that someone had no leadership and didn't know how to be better. And for no reason, he sees this man who he views as having everything, tall, dark, and handsome, and fit with the knowledge and knows how to do it. And there's no reason for that man to take time out of his day to go and help some guy who has no idea what he's doing. And he understood why men followed great leaders at that moment, because that man set aside his time to help him be the best that he could be. And he didn't know what to do.

I think Charlie embodies a lot of that idea for so many. I know that every time I saw a video from Charlie Kirk, and I watched all of those videos, I was inspired. That's why I was going to go to a university to do very much what Charlie does because I wanted to be like Charlie I wanted to do what he was doing what he was doing worked what he was doing was working it was it was is amazing and I said

more people need to do this I need to do this I texted Charlie about it I said bro these are these are amazing I would love to be involved in any way and he said let me talk with my team I had some conversations this was several months ago I had set up a plan working with some other people involved. I was going to go to a university. I don't know

if this was through TPSA or not. I just was talking to some people who worked with TPSA and we were going to go to a university, but it's not happening now. And I know everyone's saying you can't be afraid, you can't let them win. These outdoor events pose not just a threat to me, but to the people who might crowd around, who might come to have those conversations. And so what I will say is we're assessing and trying to figure out how we go about continuing these kinds of these events. But what I will say is to what Tate was saying with Charlie is, though he's gone, he's actually, I mean, he may not be here physically to talk with us anymore, but Charlie Kirk has become immortal. everything he has said on that matter, there are going to be many young people who look up to him

like that story, my liege, somebody who took time out of their day and fought solely to serve you. And that's what it truly meant to be a leader. Many of these young men are going to have questions about how such a thing could have happened to such a good man. And I think many of them are going to follow in his footsteps as you're describing Tate. They're going to look at his message not just on self-improvement and a better world, but on faith. I think that Charlie's legacy, especially with the work of Erica, maintaining, growing, pushing TPSA action, and the organizations around the world, there is going to be a resurgence in Christianity,

and this is coming from a non-Christian. Young men inspired, moved, looking for answers, are going to hear his message, and it's going to be effective, and it's going to grow. Undoubtedly. And I think you've encapsulated that. It's a servant-style leadership. That's what Charlie employed. He wanted to be able to follow Christ's example. And the scripture that comes to my mind is inasmuch as you've done it unto the least of these, my brethren. You've done it unto me. That's how he lived. And he just took such great pleasure in it, you know? It's really remarkable. We brought this up. Someone posted this yesterday that Charlie's high school voted him most likely to be president, most likely to make a difference. I think he was like second most likely to make it. Third, yeah, yeah. But he was also voted one of the most likely to change the world. Number one. Be president. And he was from Chicago. And he loved the Cubs. Oh. I'm a socks guy. Oh, oh. From the south side. He was from the northern suburbs. Oh, Charlie. It really is, uh, I said this to my wife. I was like, I know that, um, I was like, I know that we both knew this, but we never really put thought to it, but Charlie was from Chicago, and she's like, I know. We have so many, there's, yeah, it's just, I don't know.

It feels premature, like it wasn't supposed to happen to him this soon. For some reason, like something happened in the timeline in the last couple weeks that was like disassociated or so. I mean, I was disassociated the last couple of years. I mean, face in the video games and like, it's weird, but I agree. It feels like history has broken in an. unnatural way without Charlie. It feels like something has defied destiny. This man, everyone thought was going to be president, taken in a moment. And it's, I feel like I'm underwater. Like, it feels not real. I get like, I got to wait when she put her hand on his

chair when Erica touched his chair. I just get waves of like that he's like re-remembering that he's passed on. Like, re-I saw that. And, I, I saw that. And, And I had talked about and remembered when he let us use his studio to do our show. And he had his production staff for us. And I wanted to find that. So it was Vivek Ramoswamy. It was Luke Riddkowski and Lauren Chen. And I at this table with the big Charlie Kirk show.

And right above it on the TV, Timcast, IRL. And it was a tremendous honor that Charlie. said you can sit in my seat I it's kind of it's kind of I am humbled

tremendously and it's it's indescribable the honor that it is that I was able to that he would allow me to use his studio he humbled himself

and it like made you have to humble yourself to be on his level in a way I felt very humbled around him because he was so gracious of his self and his time. I keep thinking about America Fest. We got to make it the best one ever.

I don't know how, but I want to. I have my full support. I love that. Yeah, how defiant. Like you said, that was the term you used. And it's clearly he's going to go on. I believe everywhere she said, there's going to be this, I mean, already, what, 3,500 chapters, I think, across the country, right, a turning point.

You imagine that it's. just going to continue I think over the next few months that is going to proliferate exponentially you're going to see this and you're right Tim we're going to have more people that come out that are they're going to stand up yeah and they're going to say no Charlie did it we we cannot we cannot let that be in vain yeah I imagine you go ahead no I mean I just want to say like I mean because you're 100% right there is no concern movement without Charlie Kirk. Like he quite literally was the quarterback of the movement. So this isn't a matter of like, okay, how do we move on? It's like we can't move on without him. So thankfully Eric, like I said, I believe every word she said, I think she's going to step up and I think other people are going to step up to fill that void because genuinely we it's not one of these things where it's like, oh, that's sad he's passed, you know, whatever. But it's like we legitimately as a movement cannot move on without him as our quarterback. And it's just it's he's left a mandate for every. Everyone. Everyone is to pull their weight. Everyone. And Erica's going to lead the charge. There's no doubt about that. But we needed him.

I really did. I would be very excited to see in this school season as many prominent personalities as possible. Having these events either with TPP USA or TPSA style engaging students, obviously we have to figure out how to make them secure, which is tough. unfortunately the first thought is bulletproof glass around the speaker tent which is kind of sad but if it enables the conversation and we can increase that impact tenfold and uh that would be incredible that would be amazing we can't let them win the size of that crowd what was it 3,000 people 3,500 people do you guys remember some of the earlier videos of charlie going to these events. Yeah, I mean, there's like a dozen people standing around and most of them are yelling at him. In the early videos, there's some people standing around. People walking by might stop and look

and then come and talk and leave. And then as it became bigger and better and Charlie began to expand, all of a sudden when people found out it was going to be there, they'd rush to be there and they'd surround the whole tent and stand there because they wanted to talk to Charlie, whether they liked them or disliked them. People, there's videos of people walking away being like, I did it. I did it. He made it fun and exciting. You know, we were talking about this earlier, too. So much happening with Stephen Crowder, I think, was it you, Tate telling me that Crowder pointed out to why he stopped doing, changed my mind.

Or was that, I must have been Kellan. It's right, Kelly. Yeah, he was saying that he had to stop doing it because the escalation of violence. And he showed, you know, video clips of how people were, they would steal stuff, they would attack stuff. they would threaten him or throw stuff at him. And that's, it is funny, you know, when I was on Jesse a moment ago. And the left is trying to claim this guy's a right wing guy. And I'm like, isn't it funny that all of us in this space experienced threats from the left,

celebration from the left, the left explaining why we need to die, a guy who puts, hey, fascist, catch on his bullet, and then as soon as it happens, they go, actually, that's a right winger. They say crooks was a right winger. It's a nerve wracking. One of the points that I made earlier was. because they call Donald Trump or they call Charlie Kirk a fascist. And at the same time, they're arguing that Charlie Kirk wasn't fascist enough.

And so the guy that killed him was further right, as if you can get further right. Like, it's not coherent. It doesn't make any sense. No. You know, and I think that that's, I mean, I think we all can see that that's typical of the left now. It's not that there's anything meaningful in most of the arguments are accurate. they make. It's just justifying their behavior. They don't call you a fascist because they believe you're a fascist. They call you a fascist to justify killing you. Don't never let a good, what is it, emergency go to waste. I've heard that sick phrase before and maybe the media is doing that. Sorry, Tim, you were saying. Well, what I was going to say is, um, my apologies to the mayor for missing the first portion of the show. And just to say it up front, I am going to be departing right now.

But just to explain, this has been one of the most stressful past several days of my life, my anxiety, which I am not a guy who experiences any kind of anxiety, just not me. But my heart rate's been extremely high. I haven't slept. I've been, I've eaten, but I feel sick every time. and it's just been a tremendous workload over the past several days so I definitely did not want to miss the opportunity to sit here with you,

Mayor Staggs, you know, and also to see Erica speak, but I feel like I got a vice squeezing my chest. I feel like there's a pain in the back of my eyes. I feel like I'm going to throw up every 10 seconds.

I was telling Allison, my heart actually hurts And it's like you've got to pull it open. You've got to work and stretch your heart. You should go give a car dealer some money. I don't know about that, but I, I, we've, you know, on top of all of the things that everyone is obviously experiencing, we've got internal stuff, conversations happening, friends that are obviously freaking out.

And so I'm going to, I need to relax. I need to calm down. I need to just kind of sit and stare. And these past several days, it has been with, with no sleep. I'll tell you what the hardest thing is, basically almost crying every two hours. Because my job is to read the news and I read it nonstop 24-7 all day every day. And this time I'm seeing Charlie's face every time and half of it's good and half of it is filling me with a blind rage. These things, these people are posting is so taxing and so draining on me.

And some of them I considered my friends, which has really driven a knife through my church. chest, people that I used to hang out with 10 years ago posting on their, on their Facebook pages that Charlie got what he deserved or things like that. And I've messaged some of these people politely saying, this man was my friend, and they just ignore me. And they know that I can see what they've said. And it is, it is, it is, I have no words for it to experience something from people that these are not far leftists. These are not hyper-progressives. They're just your default lived from the city that have always been Democrats that I have known for a long time. Some of these people I have I have spent holidays with and I see them post a video saying

Charlie got what he deserved and I have to see that every day as I'm trying to learn about what happened and it is just a constant state of emotional physical and physical pain and anxiety. And so for that, I know we only have an hour left on this Friday night, but I actually wasn't even know if I was going to make it tonight. Jesse Waters asked me to come on and I wanted to try and speak as much as I can on other platforms.

I spoke to the press today about everything that was going on. I spoke with some journalists to explain to them why this is happening and what we've been experiencing for so long when Cuomo says

you guys, I don't see you as victims because you give as good as you get yet there are no liberal counterparts to what we do that have to experience the threats of security that we do. it's so dishonest but

you know to the mayor just it was an honor to have you to travel all this way to be here for us so I definitely want to make time for you

but I'm gonna go lay down yeah we're gonna go sit down I'm gonna um the day I think it was when I didn't know what to do I just went for a long walk pushed myself

and kept going it was um it was the first step towards like healing I am mostly angry obviously about

everything that happened, but when I read the news every day, it has always been something far away. Even the president. A man that I've interviewed, I've met, and support. When the assassination attempt happened, it was a shock. It was an adrenaline rush. It was a little bit of fear. But seeing what happened to Charlie was like, I just, it's just. I've never felt something so horrifying.

The thing that we knew logically was possible, but just didn't want to believe could happen is happening. And so, I'm going to go sit down. I'm going to just kind of close. I'm just going to sit back and kind of just chill out. And I want to say thank you to everybody who's tuned in and watched and stuck here with me and stick around to hang out with Phil and the mayor and he and everybody else.

And I have so much work. that I still have to do but I'm going to try and take some time to relax so again thank you guys so much thank you thank you man it's an honor to be back here on the show absolutely bro thank you for being here

thank you I'll see you guys hi Tim right Tim so I think that we probably should jump back into what we were talking about earlier before Tim came up because it's I think it's important like Tim had said you know

the left loves and has love to make this point they they've been saying oh well you know it's both sides you know the both sides are doing this both sides are are doing this or they'll try to falsely accuse the right of being you know doing the right does 90% of blah blah blah they they leave out the entire summer when there were riots and all the people that were killed during the riots they weren't killed because of leftists they were killed because of something else or whatever they don't talk about their own violence and they want to they want to go ahead they don't and then they want to qualify when violence happens on our side and that's what makes you so angry i can understand

what emotion so i was listening to sean spicer on two-way today which is mark halperin sean spicer and dan tureen and he made a great point and it was as if you know dan who's a democratic strategist he doesn't he wasn't really he didn't really understand what the right you has experienced whether it be the irs in 2012 going after the tea party groups or once donald trump was started running if you wore a donald trump hat a make america great hat make make america great again hat you were likely to get assaulted you were going to get yelled at the right has had essentially they've had to keep their politics secret because there's been a significant number and it's probably less so now to be fair it's probably less so right now but for almost a decade if people your your boss heard that you were a conservative you ran a serious risk of losing your job and that's not hyperbole so you you add all that stuff together and then you throw in the fact that the left has been attacking people at protests or or at at on college campuses remember the the three or four years where ben

Shapiro and mylo unopolis would go and try to speak at at colleges and they would get assaulted and then if they didn't get you know they would never really get their hands on milo or or ben so they would just attack you know people that were there and that's why you had the you know the proud boys trying to to defend themselves. Everybody, a lot of people remember Bass Stickman and the bike lock guy and all these people that were fighting with Ants Heva.

And they had to stop because the police started arresting the people on the right. And it was never, you never had Democrats telling the left to stop. You never had Democrats saying, no, they need to stop this. You actually had Democrats encouraging this. Literally Maxine Waters said some crazy thing.

I don't recall the. quote off the top of my head, but it was blatant. She was saying if you see any of these people out, and she was talking about politicians. She wasn't talking about your average conservative, but it did trickle down to the average conservative. But she was saying if you see them out in a restaurant or out getting gas, you get in their face and you tell them that they're not welcome. So essentially saying the people on the right aren't allowed to exist in our society.

If you go out and you make it known that you're, or conservative or that you have politics that that venture from what the mainstream Democrats think is acceptable, then you're likely to be, at the very least, harangued and people will be shouting at you. And the left has totally ignored these things. We've had people come on this show or on the culture war. Luke Beasley, just swearing up and down that the Democrats never do anything, never do anything. And you, Lisa Reynolds, our Booker was on the show and she was incensed. and that's the reason she was incensed

because it's more than just have there been murders from the people on the left it's that the right has had to keep their politics a secret or they'll get accosted they have to keep their ideas hush hush or else they risk losing their job

and this has been the way for 10 years so now you see Charlie get murdered and the reason people on the right are so incensed is because all of this is coming to a head. They tried to get Donald Trump last year. And there was the two Democrats that were murdered in, in Minnesota. And that's terrible. But the right wasn't saying that's, the right wasn't screaming about how great it was. The right wasn't making all the posts that the, the leftists have been making, doing the dances and making the merchandise saying that's great. And people

were making merchandise about Donald Trump, too. They, they were lying about the, the ear, um, The bandage on his ear They're saying that nothing happened Or they'll mock him They were wearing their own bandages mocking him These things are And now there's you know There's literally

There's I saw someone on X There's a statue Of Charlie that someone made They they 3D printed it The moment he got shot Right they made a statue Of him getting shot And they're selling it

And the left think Oh But it's both sides But it's both sides God damn it's not both sides It's absolutely not both sides. And I'm so sick and tired of hearing Democrats say, oh, well, Paul Pelosi. The guy that went after Paul Pelosi had a, I believe he had an RV, but there were Black Live Matters posters in it.

There was all sorts of paraphernalia from all sorts of causes. And he was extreme from one spectrum to the other. And he did end up getting on to like MAGA stuff. But he was mentally ill that in a way that was not about his policy. Like he didn't go to Paul Pelosi because he was like, oh, I'm going to get Paul Pelosi because I really think that Paul Pelosi is a threat to Donald Trump. He was a nutback, but they love to bring it up and they love to say, oh, this is, see, Paul Pelosi was attacked and so it's all the same. They ignore the shooter that shot up the congressional baseball field. They ignore all the attacks that happened during the summer of love.

They ignore the fact that Donald Trump was, was, there were two, at least possibly three attacks towards Donald Trump. assassination attempts. And then when it's Charlie Kirk, they're just like, oh, both sides, man. And it just drives me nuts. Yeah, it does. They try to have this equivalency, right, argument. And they are so intolerant. They are intolerant. They're murderous. And so I am tired myself of being lectured by the left that purport to have this monopoly on tolerance. They are the most intolerant group out there. There's so much hate that comes from them there's always so much restraint on the side of the right and it's this this has and I people keep saying the phrase but it it is a I hope a turning point and we will and that's why Charlie I think was so popular he emboldened he made it cool like I said for conservatism again to be

on college campuses he made you know one man standing up in courage can can create an army and that's exactly what's happened um he's given people license to go ahead and say oh wow okay he's doing it we can go ahead and follow follow that lead um and i think with what we heard from his wife tonight the this is only going to uh his influence his his legacy is only going to grow and more and more people are going to start to stand forward. I like what Tim said about. He wants to see all these people of any popularity, right? Stand up and start helping out the turning point chapters and maybe even sponsoring it. That occurred to me. You know, I want, if my 15-year-old son didn't see this address tonight, I'm going to make sure he sees it. Yeah. Because not only is

it was it filled with um there's a a level of positivity we can get beyond we we will be able to make it i mean if anybody can can say what she's that's been through what she's been through can have that outlook on life uh and that level of positivity i mean we all can and should yeah you know all you can see i'll just say i mean and i think what was so important is she made she made it so abundant and clear what time we're in and what time it is i mean if anything the events have demonstrated that they're the left just wants to kill us they just want to kill us these leftists and and the thing about what's so frustrating is seeing people in the right specifically elected officials tone policing the right and saying oh well we just need unity

and peace and i'm sitting there like who is the partner for unity and peace right now because they've clearly demonstrated they want to kill us a hundred percent you guys you cannot. And this is the point that I made the other night. You cannot go to the left and say, come talk to me because they shoot you in the goddamn throat. Yep. That's exactly what Charlie Kirk was doing. He said, come talk to me. He was the free speech guy. He was the guy that said, let me convince you. And he got, he got killed for it because of it. Because they justify attacking him. They lie about him. And it still has. happening today on X on on I'm sure it's even worse on blue sky it's worse on red and I'm

sure but they still will will say Charlie was a a fascist how do you get along with people that want you dead like you there is no getting along this is why I want the DOJ to actually go and come down on these leftists that are calling for violence. Yes. I mean, like you're exactly what you're saying is they're not interested in the debate. They're not. No. There's no changing these people's minds.

These are evil, evil people who want to destroy us. And that's why it's so frustrating seeing this rhetoric from our elected officials because it's like, no, we need you to rego all these people. We need you to destroy this ideology forever because it's just going to get more and more of us killed. We're not going to come and unify and have this kumbaya moment. We're past that. That moment's gone.

That moment, I don't know when it was, but certainly the Rubicon was crossed on Wednesday. And I'm sick and tired of seeing this, because it's just going to get more of us killed. We need to just end this, end this forever. There's a phrase like you can't shoot your way out of a problem. Most problems you can't shoot your way out of. They're shooting us. We're not shooting. We just need to prosecute them.

Just use the tools that we have at our disposal. There's a mandate for it. Look at the last election. There's a mandate for it. That's a great point. This isn't about, like nobody here is saying that we want to see a civil war. What we want is the government to step in and prevent a civil war. We are in a position right now.

What's going on in this country right now is the beginning of civil conflict. They tried to kill the president, right, twice last year, when he was running. Ostensibly, it was a conservative that killed those two lawmakers in Minnesota. And now someone's killed Charlie Kirk. So it's back and forth and back. Things will get worse unless the government steps in and prevents them from getting worse. You're talking like pre-crime? Like how, though?

Because if someone says this is good and they point at violence and they say this is good, that's totally legal. No, it's totally legal in the United States to say that this violent thing is good. You're allowed to say that stuff. No, you need to believe these people when they tell you because they've demonstrated they'll kill you and you have to incapacitate them before they act on it. Even so. And I agree, you do want to preempt being killed, but people are allowed to say that. I'm not saying, I'm saying destroy the ideology that's getting us killed. Destroying an ideology is hard to. Yeah, I don't know that destroying an ideology is possible.

Demoralize them. But, well, that's something. Roll them up. That's, that's legitimate. All those institutions, all those NGOs, liquidate all of them and allocate every dollar to every institution on the right. 100%. I'm totally with you there. And this is to mitigate violence. This is not a, this is not a call. This is to end violence. Yes. And Donald Trump has said that they're looking into RICO cases for people like George Soros and other NGOs.

And I want to see it. I want to see these people. Well, that's, I'm with you 100% on the funding of it. Like, look at the USAID, right? And what had happened and how crazy they went because they knew the gig was up. They knew that their funding was no longer going to be there to be able to continue out their subversion. And so, yes, to that extent we can. I'd want to be careful, though, that, you know, Charlie Kirk, he still believed that, right?

He believed that, and he said repeatedly, that we need to be able to engage in dialogue, because when you don't, when that political discourse stops, that's when you have violence. Now, we did see this atrocity, this assassination. I think the reason Charlie kept doing that, I mean, he's 31 years old, he'd been doing this since he was 18 years old. old. He didn't need to be out there all the time on college campuses. I think he saw, though, the turning point. He saw that what we talked about at the beginning of the program, that 18 to 34 year old cohort, you know, has become the most conservative in 50 years. He saw that because of his efforts, that was what has happened. He wanted to keep that going. Are you going to convince everybody? No. There's a certain percentage that are absolutely crazy. They are going to believe

whatever they're going to believe, but I think what he's proven is that you were able to take a demographic that was going the wrong way with progressivism, with socialism, and he was able to persuade enough of that. He was able to shift what they call like the Overton window, you know, and get these people in. I think that's why he continued doing what he was doing. And, you know, to the extent that, as Tim was saying, we can, we have a voice. I've got a platform. I've got a microphone in the office that I am in. I'm trying to use it every day. I get called a fascist. I get called names as well. We just had an article written about me just the other day. It's total garbage. Where I'm with you is people need to stop lying. Yeah, freedom of speech is definitely there. I think, Ian, that's what you're saying. People have freedom of speech, but there's a big difference between speaking political free speech and then outright, just outright lying, like defamation. People, defamation, libel, slander.

We have those on the books. I mean, President Trump has brought us up before. If you're out, if you're saying this over and over, this person's a fascist, this person's a fascist, this person's a fascist, this person's a Nazi, this person's a Nazi, this person's a Nazi, the intent of that is to authorize violence. They, in the eyes of your everyday normal American that's not particularly politically plugged in, they look at Nazi and they think the worst bad guys of the 20th century.

Right? Like, of the most bloody century in human history, these guys were the worst in the 20th century. So the point of that, to say that these people are Nazis, that that is not to say, I disagree with their take on marginal tax rates. That is not to say, I disagree with their take on tariffs. That is not to say, I disagree with their opinion on whatever policy. That is to say these people are an existential threat to the human race. It's equivalent to shouting fire in a crowd of things. theater, right? It's incendiary. That type of rhetoric. It's incitement. Yes. And that's why they're

doing it. Well, that means actually illegal to shout fire. It is legally, yeah. I used to think it was illegal. It was like a kind of a... All I'm saying is when you see a post with half a million likes where they're saying, holding the same politics as Charlie Kirk warrants death, you believe those people when they say that and you act accordingly. Yeah. It's all I'm saying. And to be honest with you, like, I honestly think if you just have... had the FBI doing legwork, right? Just you got this person says something like Tate, you know, the example that Tate laid out. You have the FBI show up at someone's house and say, excuse me, did you make these posts? I think that that will change hearts and minds pretty quickly.

Because they've demonstrated they only respond to that. They don't respond to debate. And I agree with what you're saying. There's a large chunk of the population, the sensible, normal people who don't have to screw loose, who, yes, they are open-minded, they're willing to have a debate, that sort of thing. That's not the people I'm talking. I'm talking these people on the fringe, or even these liberals that are just radicalized, like Tim is alluded to, that have lost a sense of what the dignity of a human life is like. Those are the sorts of people where, look, you need to believe them when they say what they're saying. These people aren't just trying to be bombastic. They genuinely believe that being critical of abortion and critical of

gay marriage warrants death. That's what they've said over and over again. And The federal government just has a mandate, like Phil's saying, I mean, just doing some basic legwork. I mean, I know it's difficult trying to reorient the entire intel community because they've persecuted the right for so long. Yeah. I understand this takes time, but when there's lives on the line, we have to get moving. And to the people that will say, oh, they'll just use the government against the conservatives, they already have. And I will say this. I will beat this dead horse.

They already have done that. They have already used the DOJ against parents that wanted to go to PTA meetings and say, hey, I don't like that my kids are seeing this stuff. They use the federal Department of Justice to investigate parents who said, I don't want my kids being taught this particular curriculum. So don't tell me that they won't. And don't tell me that we can't do this because they might because they already did. they will do it again

if they get into power again the right must understand that they are going to do that again the world has changed the world is not the same world that we lived in 10 or 15 years ago the struggle for power in the government

now means the struggle to keep people with your political leanings out of prison and this was done by the Democrats and I don't care, again, I don't care that people are going to say, well, both sides, both sides, both sides. I am not interested in your opinion on it one bit. They have already done these things. So the idea that we should not use the power of government in a way that legally will hopefully

prevent more violence is ridiculous. We do have laws and we are a nation of laws and I'm not saying that we should go outside of the law. But damn it, we absolutely should be using the federal government's power to the fullest extent to stop political violence. And this is not a radical take to say we should use the government to prevent political violence. That is not radical. That is the very basic bottom of the barrel thing that the government should be doing.

It's about how they do it. Because some governments, if they call it pacification, they'll put people down with weapons. And then they'll be like, look, we use the government to prevent political ones. That's not what we're talking about. Like I said, we have laws and I want to see the government stay inside the law, but I want them to use all of the tools that are available. And that's why I'm very pro things like RICO laws and using RICO to go after the NGOs and people that are trying to use their ideology. to incite terrorist attacks. And that's what they're doing.

The point of killing Charlie Kirk was to get people to stop talking because Charlie Kirk was the free speech guy. Yeah, precisely. Well, and they knew that when you, and I've said this over and over again, I mean, when you have a spokesperson as articulate as Charlie Kirk, that's a big fear.

It strikes a big fear in the left because they have monopolized the educational system for so long And, you know, I talk about this in my book where over 75% of all educators, quote, unquote, are socialists are flat out Marxist. So they have controlled the educational system for so long, and Charlie knew it. We had to get in there to start changing hearts and minds. It's pretty scary. And getting back to my point, they know that if you have somebody who can articulate a concern.

conservative value set and juxtapose that with the nonsense that they have been spewing for decades. Not the screw loose people, but the rational people will look at that and go, you know what? You're right. They're calling good evil and evil good. This is nonsense. Wait a minute. They've just been hit over and over and over with that. As Tim was saying, I had never thought about that angle of it where the racism and the white supremacy and all that.

has been pushed and all in the aim of getting more people to share. Because if you're angry, he said, you're going to share it more. And then that only enhances their revenue stream. I mean, that was really, really eye-opening those statements and kind of get at the basis why they're doing this. But if you can have that free and open exchange of ideas, right, that's talking conservative and liberal viewpoint, the conservatives are going to win. Well, I mean, it's beyond that, and that's 100% true.

And the extra thing is with Kirk, the reason he was targeted was, like you're saying, because he was so articulate, because he was so effective. I mean, there's all these people online that are saying, but he was a moderate. Why even bother? And it's like, you don't get it. The reason why they targeted Kirk is because no one was more effective than him. They don't go and target radicals who are on the fringe, because what impact do they have? They target the guys who, again, they occupy the mainstream and pull it in the right direction.

They move the football down the field. That's who they target. And who was more effective? Who was more paradigm shifting than Charlie Kirk? That's why he was targeted because, like you said, he's the most articulate. He was the most effective. That's why. And that should be a model for every young guy because you need to be very careful with how you're carrying yourself.

Use Kirk as an example of what an actual paradigm changer looks like. He was someone that just stepped in the arena every day and pushed the football further down the field every single day. And he wasn't getting sidetracked with all this insanity. He wasn't getting himself in trouble. He wasn't getting himself put on lists. He was effective, focus, calculated, and prudent. And to follow up your football analogy,

not every single play has to be a touchdown. Precisely. You just have to move it a few yards. Move the ball down the field. A few yards every time you get up. Every day, you push just a little bit more. And that's enough to win the game. That's enough to win at life.

Just get up and work a little bit every day. And that's how you win. Tim was here making a, we were talking before the show, and Tim was talking about, you know, how he was talking about Death Cab for Cutie, a band that he likes. And he was like, so how did you guys do it? And they said exactly what I did with all the remains. he's like, well, we just never stopped.

You just keep doing it, you know, and you get better at your craft. And that's what Tim did here. Tim used to just be one guy sitting down talking to a camera, and he put up his videos on YouTube. Well, and to use the, maybe the football or the sports analogy even further, there's offense, you know, getting it down the field,

but I think there's also defense. And this is what we have to know. You have to be aware of what your enemy is, what their playbook is, what they're capable. of. And I think that's what you became so passionate about, Phil, when you were just talking, is that that is exactly their playbook. They use this incendiary rhetoric. Yeah. They will malign and mischaracterize somebody like Charlie Kirk so that they can justify

an outcome. And they also dehumanize people. That is, that is something we've seen. I mean, look at it. You had it with Hillary Clinton. And that was the guns and butter comment from Obama, all the way back to Obama. It was almost 10 years ago, too. And then you had Biden with the garbage comment, right? And that's when people, they, you have to know, you've got to go into it with the blinders off. Yes, move the football downfield, emulate the style of Charlie Kirk, be the happy warrior, get in there, engage in civil political discourse to the degree that you can. But the same time, you've got to understand who you're dealing with.

Understanding the enemy is my specialty, is one of the, things I do because I think outside the box that's in the box. And what's, there's this guy Chase Hughes. He's a behavioral scientist. He's on the behavioral panel on YouTube. Great show. It was in the Navy for 20 years or something. Behavioral expert. He says, okay, the fringes. Get ready. What's going to happen is the media is going to start showing you these people on the fringes. Doesn't matter. The left-right paradigm is the sci-op. They're going to show you people on the fringes and they're going to start telling you other, other, enemy, other. And it's going to be repeated. And it's these damn fringes, this one, two percent of the population, if that, that's going to be shoved down

your throat. Now, who's doing that? Well, there's algorithms in this place, but who owns the companies? BlackRock, is that even an American company at this point? Who are these people that are running this media machine that's forcing people to see the fringes over and over again? That's the enemy. Whoever this, this, it might even be a system. It may not even be a person. It may be a system that we have to fight against. It could end up being artificial intelligence running us into the, you know, but we need to, firstly, we need to be impertive. to the attack vector, which is don't let yourself get brainwashed by it. You've got to put it down. Rage is addictive. I understand. I've been there. So you need to learn how to strip it away and feel

naked without it. Yeah. I mean, like you guys are talking about knowing your enemy, you always have you have to go back. It was late 2022 when Biden gave that speech in front of Independence Hall in Philadelphia with the red lights behind him. And he got up there and he effectively declared Maga Republicans as an insurgency as a threat to the, he used the words a threat to the soul of the nation. Because he was anticipating that he'd crushed us forever. He wasn't anticipating people like Charlie Kirk when it dust themselves off and get back on the saddle. He thought it was done and he thought he could resign us to the history books forever. And people like Charlie Kirk refused to give up. They got back on the saddle and they moved that football further down the

field. I don't even think Biden wrote that speech either. Who wrote that? An evil person. Somebody with an agenda. A despicable person wrote that. someone that makes mistakes wrote that because that was an absolute error and someone that has terrible terrible optics or terrible instincts they just did not anticipate they did not anticipate that we're going to go away they thought we were going to go away forever that's exactly what they thought was going to they thought that was Biden taking a victory lap that was the regime taking a victory lap on that day and I'll never forget it yeah I mean in in the annals of history when you look at that that speech I mean the people the way it was framed It was, you know, with the red and the Red and the Star Wars-esque, yeah, the Marines behind them. And normally, like, Marines with the dress whites on, they look, they look great, you know. The regime chest beating. Yeah. They were saying that was, that was, that was the regime standing over MAGA and the ring, chest beating, thinking that we were down for the count.

And guys like Charlie Kirk, they just got back, they got back up and they, and now look where we are now. You know, I think it's happening. The liberal economic order, you know, the war machine basically built in 1949 after World War II. to protect the world from communism. It was set up to control the Earth's economy and destroy communism. So in 1989, the wall comes down. Soviet Union falls apart.

Communism, Marxism, disappears. We have communist China. They're not Marxist. And so we've basically this liberal economic order that's built to destroy communism is no longer needed. But it's like a hammer looking for a nail. It's like we got to find the enemy.

We got to destroy communism. What would you say is going on in Europe right now then? in what in what sense well i mean the the way that they're behaving right the way that the europeans are behaving it doesn't seem like they care much for liberalism democracy or any of the things that they intend that they would ostensibly say they do i think that the order that that's controlling the media apparatus the liberal economic order is is like a dying vestige of a system that we don't need like taking over the world militarily was their goal it was a military victory and they figured out oh we can't do it same with the romans they couldn't do it

they didn't have the technology to control the earth we couldn't do it china and russia are two independent india's too independent so there's still but but aspects of it are still trying to control the world through military force and importing you know villains to clamp down on their populace part yeah i mean this is part of the the whole nato argument too right? It's the hammer and nail concept because NATO, what was it built for to go ahead and deter communism from continuing the Russia march into Eastern Europe? And then 89 happens. And I, in part of the research, my book too, I was shocked. We've spent $22 trillion, the U.S. in NATO since its inception, if you did not know that. $22 trillion. President Trump, thank goodness, gets in there. Again, he's like, Look, this is nonsense. You're going from 2% to 5%, right? And countries are now starting to hopefully take care of their own defense.

That's been the issue, you know, at the front was with Ukraine on that war with respect to NATO and entering NATO and all that. But that's, I hear what you're saying. that liberal economic order you're talking Bretton Woods you know post World War II that was stood up you know perhaps there's something there's something there to it but I

this is this is time for all of us to stand up you know I was just sitting there checking my phone I saw some text messages come in flooding in people love the fact that I'm on Timcast by the way great news awesome but they they said look one person, a friend of mine in particular, said, I am done, and this is somebody I would have

never expected to make these comments, right? Just based on, they watched, they watched the show tonight, they watched Erica, and he said, quote, I am done being the silent part of the silent majority. What can I do? Good. And with the grace of God, we are going to get there. We are going to have, I think this is, this is going to start to take off. I think you've got millions of people like my friend who just sent that text message and saying, it's time to stand up, forget it. Gloves off. We want to move the ball down the field. We know what time it is. We're awake. We know who we're dealing with. These monsters that want to dehumanize us, that view us as garbage, and given the opportunity, right, as you pointed out, they are going to,

wield the levers of governmental power as far as they possibly can. Yeah. They've done it before. There's no question that when the Democrats get back in power, if there has not been a significant cultural change in the United States,

they absolutely will use the levers of government against their political rivals. You know what when you were saying, like, we need to encourage the government to, you know, tamp this thing down, the violent rhetoric um that the imagery you said there a shirt was printed of charlie with his neck wound just the shirt someone someone 3D printed a statue of charlie when he like the moment he was shot that might be they're mad that's a blurry line that that might be considered elite like you

might be able to consider that illegal it's not just saying it's like showing the imagery of someone getting killed over and over again when that's kind of like if someone made a deep fake of me getting killed and they put it on the internet and they played it over and over. I would feel like I would like a legal recourse to have that taken down. Yeah. Well, listen, it's getting a little late. So we're going to go to super chats now. So smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know. Go to timcast.com, become a member.

Go to rumble.com. Become a member there. There's no after show tonight because it's Friday, but we will be back on Monday with hopefully more positive news and stuff. But for right now, we are going to read some of your super chats from billy the crayon says i put up flyers today around my school with a picture of charlie kirk asking for prayers for him and his family they were immediately taken down and now i'm facing retaliation from the school my school is a certain aeronautic school in new york city

unbelievable so this just you know it's illustrative of the point that i've been trying to make the guy was just murdered and they'll say oh this is inflammatory right I don't know obviously I'm not the kid or are super chatter but they will say

well you can't put these up because this is inflammatory just per saying you know hey what exactly was it that he said let's see he said with a picture asking for prayers asking for prayers yeah because this is where

we need to you know we were talking about it earlier where we need to be able to call these people out, these so-called administrators, these so-called educators. And, you know, the longer game here is to ensure that we have school choice, that we end up getting out of just the monopoly that is government-run schools. They've been so far infiltrated with these types of individuals that I,

it's we've got to start voting with our feet and I'm talking about parents and standing up and having the ability to get their kids out of out of hellholes like that yeah homeschool your kids let's see we've got a quantum strange quark oh where'd that go said uh the killing of charlie kirk reminded me of this quote I fear all we have done is awake in a sleeping giant and filled him with a terrible resolve I tell you what if if Erica's speech is anything to go by I think that you might be right or that quote might be

correct about our situation That's a wild one Is that from the Germans? No, that's from Japanese and War II Admiral Yamamoto In World War II after Pro Harbor Regarding USA

Or after the Parbar attack That's a really good quote Yeah Wyatt Caldenberg says Mow's guerrilla warfare Said when your enemy is strong Run and Hide When your enemy is weak

attack. The right is wrong to cancel events and do other weak things. This only tells the left to attack. That wasn't Mao. That was Sun Su. That was the art of war. That's way, way earlier in China. Long before Mao. Mao ironically tried to get rid of all that stuff. Yeah. Mao tried to end all the old Chinese history and stuff. I went to high school in Singapore, so I know all the old Chinese stuff, but that's very different than China. It's not the same thing. But yeah, anyways. So, no. No. No. Let's see.

What do we got? Trader Potato said, of course the demons on the left are celebrating the death of a great man, a sobering reminder of the spiritual war that we're all in. My prayer is, when I die, all of hell rejoices that I am out of the fight. C.T. Stud. Was it actually Stud was his name? I don't know.

I don't think it was actually C.T. Stud, but whatever. I think that, I think he might have meant like a Chad meme, but on the, in the chat. Head on over to Rumble, Spork Witch says, responding to Erica stating Charlie's goal, should he run for office, we need to push to repeal no fault divorce, restore actual marriage in the U.S. It's the first and necessary step for his vision. Look, Spork Witch, I do think that that's probably, or that would probably be a good thing. You're going to have a whole lot of wine moms that are going to be pushing back. So we have our work cut out for us. But take heart because there was a long time where people thought there is no way Roe versus Wade has ever getting overturned.

That is settled law and blah, blah, blah. I don't know the specifics around no fault divorce. I know that Roe was a bad law. It was a poorly decided, it was a bad decision. And they were just justifying their decision because they wanted to make that decision. And when you actually look at the particulars of the case, it was badly decided. So that's part of why Roe actually got turned over. Yeah, and it's led to the destabilization of the family.

This old no-fault divorce, it's been exponential since then. I talk about that in my book. We started out in the 1950s around 10% of households or children growing up in single-parent households. It went up to 30% in some communities like the African-American community. It's over 60%. You know, my friend and Congressman Burgess Owens talks about this all the time. When he grew up in the era, he said,

of Jim Crow in the Deep South, you know, the black community were small business owners that was taught the family, marriage that was talked about all the time. And it was also celebrated. And it isn't today. And Charlie, in his messaging on a college campuses, you could hear him say that.

You know, you talk about the woman actually marrying the government. right yeah yeah that was by design is that they in the 1960s they basically rolled out all these programs that made it economically more advantageous sadly for people to get divorced and women to be on you know assistance and that that has truly been a tragedy in terms of policy I have a friend that worked with like domestic abuse survivors and she was like I was like should we get rid of no fault divorce because it seems to me like it had destroyed the like people's faith in each other, like maybe she's going to be gone tomorrow. She's like, no, we cannot get rid of no-fault divorce because the amount of abuse that women suffered before that and would if they weren't able to leave and they can't prove it in court that he hit her or that he's threatening her. That was her argument. And that was only a few weeks soon. So that's been ruminating. Well, I don't think so, given the domestic violence statutes that are in place right now,

I know that I'm somewhat familiar with being a mayor, being the chief law enforcement officer in my community and sadly we do get a lot of cases for domestic violence and you know those those things are outlined pretty well to well i think today that that might not not cause i mean they do have cell phones like a woman can just kick her phone record it and put it in the drawer you know if it's really going down but then you can deep fake it the one gamer says the worst thing to do is respond violently. Don't destroy what Charlie helped build by being violent. A hundred percent. That's why we're advocating for the government to do it. We want to see the federal government who has the monopoly on violence to fix the problem because what we're seeing now is people taking the problem into their

own hands, shooting at Trump, killing the Democratic lawmakers in Minnesota and then killing Charlie Kirk. That's what happens when people take the initiative and think I can fix this. That's not what we want. What we want is the federal government to use its vast power and to look for ways to prevent these things from happening and to take apart the organizations that spread this ideology because those organizations have a desire to destroy the United States. They want to see the U.S. destroyed. They don't believe in our Republican form of government.

They want to see a different form of government. And that is an attack on not just the federal government, but that's an attack on the American people. We have a right to Republican government. And we have not decided as a population that we want to change that form of government. So we want the federal government to defend us from those. that would destroy our way of life. You know, with The Rise of Palantir

and the spy network that's being built with... Because when Charlie, after they were like, what, I was like, the shooters at large, then all the security footage came. I was like, thank God we got security footage. And I'm like, it's like I'm begging for the security state. Like this apparatus that's being built around us

is it... Because it will prevent crime, but if you need to break an evil law, you can't really do it if everybody's spying on you 24-7. it just feels like that's the path that if we're like let the government fix it they're going to be like spy tech everywhere well i mean we actually do have the ability to choose a different path we can use the levers of pressure on the government look donald trump is extremely responsive right when he is he is proposing a policy and if the american people are like no no no and there are enough people making noise he will actually re you know he will rethink the policy and he will look for stuff that actually seems popular. Now, whether or not the American people know the right, go ahead. Well, I think to Tate's point, right, it's these RICO

cases is defunding, these malactors, the system that you referred to in, where you may have these systems that are monetizing, sewing all this discord, right? To the extent the government can prevent that from happening, I think is something that is not only within their purview, but something that I think that should be done. That's what I'm hearing them say. I've got to ask you this good question, because you're the chief law enforcement officer of your city. And so I talk a lot about law and chaos, order and chaos, and then also good and evil. And sometimes you have law that's evil and chaos that's good, like Robin Hood or something. How do you, as the law, as the chief enforcement officer, how do you handle that, like if you believe a law might be evil,

do you feel a duty to break that law and do the good thing to violate the law? But your duty is to uphold the law. So, like, what do you do? Well, this is getting to why moral governments, in my book, I've got six pillars. You know, I say the whole thesis of it, heirs of the revolution by Trent Staggs, by me. How about that? Is we need, because of President Trump's victory, we have a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to get back to the level of government that our founders, bequeath us. We actually inherited. That's why it's heirs of the revolution. And I actually cite

JFK in his inaugural address. A Democrat, I did it intentionally, that he actually said, use that phrase, heirs of the revolution. He understood that we had an inalienable rights, life, liberty, property, control acquisition of property is, you know, the pursuit of happiness, that these are inalienable. They come from our creator, he said, and not from the, quote, generosity of the state. And that was so unique about the America and American experiment. And that is why all law is really moral, because any law that you have, ultimately, the punishment of takes away life, liberty, property. And that's why we need to have a moral basis. And so one of my six pillars is not just restoring citizenship, elections, it's restoring moral governance.

That's why, you know, John Adams had said that our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people and is wholly inadequate to any other. there is a reason for that it's because law is actually in our American Republic it is has to be based on on morale but you said if you if you break a law has to be good because if you break it you will lose your property but that sounds like but what if the law is some horrible evil law that got passed like the Nazi regime and then you're like what do I we still have a constitution that limits the government that's true we still have And states have constitutions as well. So yes, you do have to be wary of bad laws, but they also have to stand up to constitutional scrutiny of the states and of the federal government.

The federal government is limited by the Bill of Rights in specific things. But it's also the powers that it does have are outlined in the Constitution. So well, first then I guess to answer my question, do you appeal to the federal constitution? Not necessarily you can start with the state level because all the states have a constitution as well. And then you just pray that the constitution is good or we constantly amend it to make sure it's always up to par so that we can. Huh? Well, like if some lawmakers were like, we passed the new bill and now we're going to do evil thing. And you're like.

And then you can appeal to judges. And then if the judge in the district court that you are appealing to say, no, we're going to uphold this law. You then can appeal to the higher court. And so on. We have a process for this. So were you going to say, Serge? I was just saying we should get some more of the chats. Thanks, man.

I hate to be that guy. I really appreciate that. Thanks, guys. Jay Shield says, after working since 6 a.m. And working out, I came home to find my wife crying over Charlie. Now I'm watching the widow of a good man exude strength in her darkest hour while I hold mine in my arms. I have never been more moved.

You're all good men. Do not relent. Cheers, man. Never surrender. Is that the Jake Shields? Thanks. Jay Shields. No, that was not Jay Shields. The Jay Shields? It's a very different Jay Shields. Shields. Let's see. Mike the Wap says, what game is Tim playing while this one pours her hard out?

You're a jerk. He wasn't playing a game. He wasn't playing. He's on comms. Wasn't Class of Clans guys. Unbelievable. Tim won't join my clan on Clash of Clans. Don't worry. It's not Clash of Clans. On the same topic, he's another one right there, Phil. Exxon says, Tim, I'm sorry. I'm just angry and sad. I made the comment about your phone. I apologize. Also, bro, they killed off our ramp to the mass divide. So a lot of us feel on edge that more violence is coming. Look, we all do. And that's why, you know, sitting around this table, we've been saying for multiple years, where's the off ramp? We've been looking for it. We have been trying to figure out how we can stop the terrible things that. are laying in front of us if we don't change. You know, if there isn't some kind of change. And I think that it has to be societal.

Tim's talked about changing the culture, you know, and that being an important way. And it's true. And it's working because if it wasn't working, people would still be afraid to go out in public wearing a Donald Trump hat or people wouldn't have been courageous enough to vote for Donald Trump. So it's working, but it's a slow process. So hopefully we can. and make the changes we need before things get too bad.

Let's see. J.J. Mac A. says, you all need to read the Gospels about Jesus' life. More importantly, read about Jesus' betrayal and death. Put yourself in the disciple's shoes. Charlie's story is a fractal of Christ. First Corinthians 11.1. So I don't know that particular verse,

but it's probably a good idea to check out. The Bible's got a lot of wisdom in it, so let's see. P-Soupie says, P-Supi says, this won't be popular as much as I want his killer to also face the sword. Somehow I believe Charlie wouldn't want him to. Tate, you said God loves us. He also loves Charlie's killer. I don't know.

This sucks. Look, you're 100% right. That's what Charlie would want. And anybody that knows anything about Christianity knows that Christ would say forgive him. and if if the killer repents and says hey look i know what i did was wrong and and i'm throwing myself at the lord at the mercy of the lord he would forgive him but humans aren't the lord and we have a justice system and the justice system is going to you know going to run its course well that's why murder's so difficult because the restitution component of the repentance process how do you make

restitution for somebody once their life is gone. And that's what they call biblical justice with respect to this in particular. Yeah. Yeah. All right. We're going to go ahead and read one more. What do we got?

We'll keep it on for a little bit. What was that? We'll keep rolling for a little bit. It's rock and roll. Okay. Ken A says, based on Tim's Waters' appearance, sounds like we need to get people spending time online posing behaving as kids and see what gets sent their way treat this like people online catching predators i mean i don't have a particular problem like i don't have a principled problem

against trying to lure out criminals um i think that it's fine i think that it's fine when when people do it with predators i don't know that it would be particularly efficacious though like I don't know that that it's going to produce the results you want because as much as as much as we want to find the people that might commit crime like committed a violent act they in a country of 350 million or 330 million they are still fairly you know fairly rare when you're dealing about political violence when you're when you're talking about political violence it's it's not something that that's particularly common now obviously as the temperature is raised, it is becoming more common, and we don't want to see them become more common, but it has. But I don't know, you know, I would defer to law enforcement as to what the best means is to do that. I don't know if you have some kind of input on that. Do you think that Honeypots are a good idea to find terrorists in, in, in, uh, anime chat rooms? Oh, gosh. Well, any, any way we can, uh, root out evil.

um i boy that is that is something that we need to be able to definitely be able to do um but that's i i've i've seen that uh i've seen like the iq program that our police department participates in with others um it is it is just rather alarming the extent to which uh some people go and actually commit those types of those types of crimes but i think what i was hearing from Tim though on the on the on the water show was Jesse Waters was that we need to be able to have um understand where the the the seeds of contention are coming from and a lot of it seemingly is much more systemic than we we thought and it's it because there is this revenue or profit motive on the part of some of this big tech it they found that we're driving and they're able to share more

so angry posts and they try to incite that type of that type of anger and reaction from folks. So I know there's a lot of lawsuits from the various states, even Utah has been suing a lot of the social media channels and others for a lot of this addictive type of behavior that the social media companies have been really propagating on the American people for so long. all right I got two more I want to read over real fast here so let me get the other one for you

that I had up there was the buddy rabbit one one one one second here this one right here I think from Jonathan McCormick Jonathan McCormick says Charlie lived a life publicly that many of us

strive to live every day being a good father a loving husband strong in faith having the courage to share and debate ideas proclaim Christ and they killed him for it that's why it's so painful

I mean, all of those are legitimate reasons as to why it's so painful. There's, I can't say that, you know, there aren't other reasons that I think it's particularly painful, but I think that everything you said is right on the money. I think that something that said was they killed him. I've been hearing this a lot that they killed Charlie. And I'm like, it was a guy, but then I'm starting to think of the algorithmic incitation where it makes people crazy. He's like, who is they? Is it even a, is it an emergent thing that caused this guy? Was it a cabal of people involved?

I don't know. Well, I think, yes, it was one guy, one shooter in particular. But I have to think, and coming from Utah and knowing the people in Washington County, like this guy came from Washington City and then went up to Utah State University, it's what we were talking about, how the educational system, particularly higher education, is a cesspool of woke indoctrination. And so I think the they, perhaps, when people are referring to that,

at least what I think of, is all those that contributed to the indoctrination, how do we fail this kid? 22 years old, that he thinks somehow over the course of just a short period of time as he goes into university, what's going through his mind and get him to that stage

that he thinks it's okay, to go place himself on a rooftop, get a 30-a-6, bold-action rifle, and shoot somebody who, as this person, this viewer has said, is, was such a great, great person, that all they did was try to espouse, you know, Christianity and open free debate, exchange of ideas. They killed him for it. And that's what he said makes it so painful, and I agree.

But I think the they is this, you know, how this kid got radicalized and went from what I can't believe that he was that way early on in his earlier years. Last one right here. Yeah, from Buddy Rabbit says, we don't have a choice. We needed him as our quarterback. It doesn't matter. Still need to complete the season. Still need to play the game.

Still need to fight. Remember, Charlie wasn't a victim. him he was the victor they had no rebuttal we won the argument do not stop amen man i tell you what thank you couldn't have said it better um so i am going to i think we're going to wrap it up here so um mayor steggs if you want to shout anything out talk about your books go ahead oh well no thank you is it's it honored to be here again on the show guys it really really is and i um it's it is a very very difficult week i understand that it's painful for folks um As Erica indicated, I think we need to seek out God's help without a doubt.

We need the comfort of the Holy Spirit right now. That's what it's there for and intended to do, and to be able to comfort us and get us through such challenging times. But I'm really grateful for the show and all that you guys are doing, too, to bring about this type of societal change and to get us back into a majority conservative state. Yeah, the book that I wrote, Heirs of the Revolution, which Charlie Kirk has had endorsed, I tell you, he's such a remarkable guy. And Tim and I were talking about this earlier

that whenever he would reach out, Charlie would instantly respond, and he's right. You know, I'm fortunate enough to have great friends like Charlie Kirk, like Cash Patel, Kerry Lake, Senator Mike Lee that have all endorsed this book. It's very short by design, only about 170 pages. I don't like some of these books that are so cumbersome to get through, but it really is a roadmap on how we get back to the Republic.

Because what I heard over and over again, when I was campaigning, when I went around to national events, the levels of freedom and liberty that we were given by our founders, back in 1787 with the Constitution is not the same that we have today. I think any objective person, observer, would agree with that statement because we have had so much regulation and taxation and everything else that's been burdening us over the course of the past, you know, 250 years now, and mostly in the last 100.

But this is a roadmap to how we get back to that level of freedom. I don't think we need any other revolution. I think we need a restoration. It's already there. It was ours. We are the inheritors. That's why I use the phrase heirs of the revolution. So this is a roadmap on how we get back there through these six pillars.

And I would appreciate everybody checking it out. It is on Amazon through Kindle or paperback or hardback. Might I see a copy? I'd like to hold it up. Thank you. This is heirs of the revolution. We talked a little bit about graphing before the show. That was pretty fun.

and about the fuel sources and how, you know, $36 trillion in debt if your fuel costs one-tenth the cost, maybe it's only $3.6 trillion in real. Good to see you, man. Thanks for coming, brother. And thanks, Phil and Tate and Serge. Always a pleasure, Serge. Hey, guys, thanks for being here this week and every day. Thank you very much.

I'm Ian Croslin. See you later, guys. Yeah, yeah. Christ saves. Charlie reiterated that over and over again. And once again, I know. I know I'm speaking to someone in particular, but you felt the pull of Christ these last few days. It's been a really tough, emotional few days for everyone.

Charlie spoke to so many people. So, yeah, feel free to message me. I won't be able to get to every message probably, but if you've been struggling with the state of your soul or have questions about salvation, you know, we're all figuring it out, obviously. But Christ is the way Christ saves. So, yeah, you can follow me on X and Instagram at Real Tate Brown. Like I said, my messages are open. I'll try to get to as many as I can. But, yeah, stay strong, never surrender.

We will see you guys. Oh, I'm Phil that remains on Twix. You can follow the band All That Remains on YouTube, Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify, Deezer, and all those places. We will see you guys on Monday. There will be clips going up this weekend, and Tim will be back Monday. I'll be here. I'm not sure who the guest is.

but we will, what? The skate tomorrow. Oh, yes, the skate. The skate, I'll go to boonies.com or, what's the boonies YouTube page? YouTube.com slash boonies. I think it's slash boonies. Okay. Booneyshq.

Is it boonieshq? I think it might be boonieshq.com. Yeah, boonieshq.com. Go there. There'll be the skate competition tomorrow. It's a lot of fun. I'm not a skater and I still think it's cool. So, yeah, we will see you on Monday.

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