Timcast IRL - Erika Kirk CANCELS TPUSA Event With Vance Over SERIOUS THREATS

Episode Date: April 15, 2026

Tim, Phil, and Elaad are joined by Tom Renz to discuss Erika Kirk canceling an event with JD Vance over a serious death threats, Tim Pool Debates Tom Renz on Charlie Kirk Assassination, and a US blockade prevents Chinese ships from crossing the Strait of Hormuz.  SUPPORT THE SHOW BUY CAST BREW COFFEE NOW - https://castbrew.com/ JOIN THE DISCORD: https://timcast.com/discord Hosts:  Tim @Timcast (everywhere) Phil @PhilThatRemains (X) | https://allthatremains.komi.io/ Elaad @ElaadEliahu (X) Producer: Carter @carterbanks (X) |  @trashhouserecords  (YT) Guest:  Tom Renz @RenzTom (X) Podcast available on all podcast platforms! Erika Kirk CANCELS TPUSA Event With Vance Over SERIOUS THREATS | Timcast IRL For advertising inquiries please email [e-mail]

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But I think this story matters because it's the shape of our political landscape right now. the what's going to come from this with the midterms coming up turning point USA basically a i don't want to say pariah but the right is split with half the people who won supported it now attacking it liberals joining in and this is the organization that got young people to support Donald trump and the republican party in 2024 and now they've largely lost this even jd vance saying at the event i know that young people don't support this they are losing this vote trump is is also sinking with white working class voters. So let's figure out what's going on with why Eric Kirk is being threatened with death constantly.

I think most of you know why. Then, of course, we've got Swalwell. Another accuser has come forward saying that he not only forced himself upon her, but he drugged her as well. And L.A. has launched a criminal investigation. So it looks like Swelwell's not just going to be dropping out of the California governor's race, not just resigning from Congress. He may actually be signing up for prison and not even in just in California. maybe even New York as well. Holy crap. Tony Gonzalez resigned, but, you know, whatever about that.

So I'll talk about that, plus a bunch of other weird stuff going on. Guys, you know, in talking about this Erica Kirk stuff, I have to point out, I don't know if it's a mass formation psychosis forming against Donald Trump or it's a coordinated effort, but there are a bunch of fake posts just lying about Trump in the weirdest of ways. Not too dissimilar to back when, you remember when Trump threw the fish food into the koi pond with Shinso Abbe, ABC. I think it was ABC. They cropped the image, zoomed it on Trump. So it looked like he just, of his own volition, threw it in. Whereas the real story was that Shinzo Abe did it first. Trump said, okay, and then followed suit. The media then attacked Trump for being uncouth. Well, there's this weird claim that Trump was

booed at UFC. Every, I should say everybody, but tons of people are repeating this. And you can listen to the video. Trump was not booed. I mean, maybe by one person, but you can't hear anything. So what is this seemingly widespread claim that Trump is getting booed when he clearly was not? It seems fake. It seems like people are just grifting for clicks. And I've got thoughts on this, of course. We'll get into that. Before we do, my friends, we've got a great sponsor for you. It is Tax Network USA. My friends, head over to tnusa.com slash Tim. It's tax season, man. Do you guys own back taxes or have unfiled returns? Have you filed every year, but you still keep owing? did you retire and suddenly get hit with the tax bill you didn't expect?

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you. What do you do? Well, I'm an attorney. I am a podcaster and I'm an activist. I'm pushing for freedom, pushing for our future and hoping that we have a better turnout in midterms than what I think we're going to have. Oh, it's getting worse. The new Cook Political Reports adjusted several states. It's all shifting Democrat. So we'll talk. This is partly why I want to talk about the Erica Kirk stuff because I think this is a principal component as to what's going on. But good to have it. It should be fun. Elad's here to talk about why he's happy with the war. Good to be back. Everybody. We'll get into that during the show. How's it going, Phil? I'm very interested to hear your thoughts on whether the strikes aren't around are good or not. I'm just kidding. I'm fully aware of what they are.

It's good to have you all here today. I'm excited to talk about everything. Let's get into it. Here's a story from the Daily Mail. Erica Kirk backs out of T.P. USA event with J.D. Vance at last minute due to unknown threats, vice president says. The interview with Vance at the University of Georgia was part of the nonprofit organization's tour to excite young conservative voters head of the midterm elections. Vance said Erica consulted with him ahead of time about these threats. Ultimately, she decided to miss the rally. Quote, I love Erica, and I know that she did get some threats, Vance said on stage. About two hours ago, I was a little worried that we were going to have to cancel the event because Erica was not going to come, and she was very worried about it.

After Vance consulted with the Secret Service, he's had to go on with the event without Erica. No further information about the threats has been released. The Daily Mail approached the us for comment. So I've got a couple tweets. I think we should I don't know if I had the one from Vance actually pulled up. We do, actually. It's from Eric Kirk. I want to play this clip real quick of what J.D. Vance said

if the audios. Here we go. Mr. Vice President, I'm on stage here instead of our friend Erica Kirk. That's right. Because unfortunately, she has received some very serious threats in her direction. Which is terrible.

It's a terrible reflection on the reality in the state of the country. Mr. Vice President, I'm on stage. So, of course, Fox News reporting it. Erica Kirk says, I was so looking forward to tonight's event at the University of Georgia with our Vice President in advance. But after all our family has been through, I take my security team's recommendation extremely seriously.

Thank you to our amazing Georgia chapter for your support. God bless you all. And we've got this tweet from everyone's favorite, Candice Owens. She said Erica Kirk pulled out of the event last minute with Vice President Vance, citing threats. This is PR horse-ish. obviously. He is now doing the event alone at the University of Georgia. I mean, that's not true. He's with Colvette. What do we think is the real reason she pulled out? Probably just security threats.

To be honest, there is a funny response, though. Danny Diggs responds saying, Erica is getting threats, so let's not have her go, but let's definitely still send the VP. What? These people are, what's the right word? I'm going to be polite. Developmentally disabled or dishonest. The reason why is right atop my head. Ask me why Erica Kirk did not go and J.D. Vance did. And I gave you a handful of reasons. One, the threats are against her family.

She doesn't want her family to be involved. She doesn't want to travel without her kids. Million and one reasons. Number two, the threats aren't targeting the venue. They're targeting maybe her home route of travel, her vehicles. Maybe someone sent her a threat saying they put a bomb on her car. So she says, okay, can we go? And they're like, we'll have to get a different vehicle for you.

and she's like, we have to leave now. She's like, screw it. I think we better just not go. This is weird. Maybe there was a threat at her home. And they said, Miss Kirk, we're going to have to bring you out

and do a sweep of the property. This has happened to us. These people act like they have no idea what's going on. It's like that millennial woes meme where he said, the problem with discourse is that leftists, what is a quote, leftists pretend not to understand things,

thus making discourse impossible. These people know full well. There's a million and one reasons why J.D. Vance would go and she would not. Least of all is that she doesn't have secret service protection. But the obvious being, maybe they did not threaten the venue. It's just, we're going to lose the midterms and Candice Owens is doing it intentionally. Fine. Whatever. Democrats are going to win. They're going to lop off kids balls.

They're going to raise your taxes. They're going to take all your guns away. They're going to do all of these things that people have been freaking out about. They're already bringing back with weird, woke garbage. They know that they're going to move back in. And Candice Owens is personally responsible because several months ago, after Charlie Cook was murdered, and she started making insinuations that Erica did it, I said, this is demoralizing. It's pissing people off. They're turning off. They're tuning out. They're not going to show up. We're going to lose the midterms. And she personally responded saying, quote, we don't care about your midterms. Okay. So when Democrats win, and again, again, just I want to be clear, Candace doesn't care if Democrats win. She

is not a conservative. This is a lie that liberals like to say, but the fact of the matter is liberals love her show. She's got tons of liberal fans, Anna Kasparian's a big fan. She is a, she's an avatar of generic market share. By her, by her own omission, according to Jeremy Boring, she says, just whatever the people think. So now, Democrats are are poised to win because of her valiant efforts to make sure that Democrats can keep doing what they're doing. And even now, what I see here is literally no matter what Erica Kirk does, Candice Owens has to be attacking her over it. Yeah.

Well, I mean, it's it draws viewers in. I kind of feel like the reason she said, what do we think is the real reason she pulled out is so she can find the craziest angle that you can imagine in a replies and be like, well, that's the one I'm going to go with. Because really, she's just looking to get viewers, to get people to watch the show. I mean, just like you said,

there are a million reasons why Erica Kirk would be, like, no, I can't do it. So for Candace Owen, she's just like, well, here we go. Now's my chance to bring Erica Kirk back into the conversation because that's when she got the most traction. So I want to say this. I have very serious concerns about the safety and security of Erica Kirk because I'll tell you a story.

I was on the old Instagram there. And for those that use Instagram, sometimes it recommends threads to you because they want you to use threads instead of X. So I'm swiping down. And it gives you these little threads. threads box and one of them was a veiled threat against Erica Kirk. And I went, geez, veiled threat. So I clicked it. It brought me to threads where I saw the post. And then it was something like Erica Kirk, wait till you get what's coming to you, something like that. And I'm like, that's creepy.

Like who's this lady? I looked at a profile. She's a random nobody. Some random like, you know, 30 year old woman. And then I clicked back and the entire threads feed of the algorithm was just tons of 30, 35-year-old women, all like, you know, late 20s or whatever women, just saying Erica Kirk deserves hell. Like, it was just all of this anti-erica Kirk stuff. And I'm trying to figure out who these people are and why they hate this woman so much. Listen, you don't got to like her. You can call her whatever you want to call her, but this is psychotic.

You know, I'll tell you what I think. I think that we have a mass formation psychosis due to avoid. Right now, it has been reported, as I've said, ad nauseum, that viewership is down. for almost everybody in the political space. Everyone's complaining about it. This is what they do. The weather gets warm. People go outside.

They stop watching. And then everyone starts freaking out like the world's ending. We're also coming off a dead political year and moving into the midterm. So things are going to start heating up. Plus we've got riot season coming up. But everybody freaks out right about now. So after the assassination of Charlie Kirk, you can see it in Candice Owen's metrics. Her channel's relatively stagnant.

Like, she's doing well, though. Don't get me wrong. I think she was doing like 70,000 concurrence. And then she starts the Charlie Kirk conspiracy theory arc. and her subscribers and her viewership skyrockets. And she's maintaining this. What I think is that woke is routed. After 2024, the Republican suite, liberals were freaking out.

Even right now, they're attacking Hassan Piker and there's a civil war over whether Hassan should be allowed to campaign with Democrats. They're tearing each other apart. The right won everything. The House, the Senate, the presidency. And it seemed like, for the average person, pack it in, boys, we've done everything we can. Now we leave it to our representatives to solve these problems. And what do they do?

Well, they did some stuff. USAID getting shut down, I think, was good. It was a nuclear bomb. But the big things people were expecting, Epstein, we got, it's a hoax. We got the stupid binder campaign. Talk about a misstep. Dan Bongino coming out saying, no, Epstein killed himself. People were very disappointed on all that stuff.

But that was largely politicos. Then you get the war in Iran. Trump's support base among white working class people has been going down. So now what happens? you have this mega coalition, which included libertarians, moderates, conservatives, et cetera. It's fractured. You've got a bunch of libertarians. Now they're just calling Trump the Antichrist.

They're making up lies about them, all this other weird stuff. So they're gone. They're not watching this content anymore. For these creators, for these YouTubers, for these Twitter personalities, I had someone come to me, I'm not going to name where they are. They said, hey, is your Twitter engagement down? Because I'm not getting anything anymore. And I was like, no, I don't know.

Seems the same to me, you know. And they're like, I'm not getting anything anymore. more. And I'm like, no idea. Well, what I see here is a lot of these personalities immediately go, Israel is bad, Trump is bad, Erica Kirk is bad. Why? It's the last island in the flood. So when you look at some of these liberal channels, all they do is spam blast why Trump is bad. Every single day, it's every video five times a day, a picture of Trump looking weird, and then a title like, Trump actually did it. You know, Trump is gross. He pooped his pants. All nonsense. I hate Trump content. Everything else has been decentralized. If you were in the

mega coalition when at the peak of the culture war right before Trump was to win, everybody who was angry with Democrats was watching saying, are we going to win? Trump wins. And now the libertarians are gone. The moderates are gone. The comedians are gone. The mega Republicans are yelling at the other conservatives. So that's decentralized, meaning each one of these areas, they're no longer watching the one channel. They're all watching a bunch of different channels. That's why Candace Owens has gone like lib, like weird liberal space. It's just kind of just female drama content. Charlie Kirk was murdered by his wife and Brigitte McCrone's a penis, all this weird nonsense that just is entertainment, infotainment. People are following suit

because it's the last, imagine the flood is happening and they're all just trying to go as fast as they can to Everest where they can at least get some dry land. That's what it seems like. So anyway, rant over what this means for the midterms, of course, is that Candace is rallying everybody to abandon the Republican Party. For her, I mean, I think the Occam's razor is that she's just clawing at whatever she can get traction on and it works. A lot of these libertarian guys that some people that I thought were friends are posting lies because it's getting them retweets. And so now I see a whole bunch of Trump is bad, Trump is retarded, and Israel is bad, and, you know, Netanyahu's controlling the world. And I'm like, well, it's the last place these people can get money.

So at least the Democrats with their infighting are going to unify to a certain degree around their weird culty nonsense. Republicans, I think, are cooked. Yeah, it looks bad. Looks terrible to me. I mean, but here's the problem. So I got to be honest with you. I haven't followed the Erica Kirk drama. Are your ad campaigns lighting up the dashboard, but not the pipeline?

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Spend $250 on your first. campaign and get a $250 credit. Go to LinkedIn.com slash campaign. Turn sick conditions apply. To me, this is like real housewise. The problem that I have is I'm pretty singularly focused on fixing our country. And turning point as an organization under Charlie Kirk was pivotal. They were huge.

What they did in the 2024 campaign for Donald Trump, they were boots on the ground in states all over the country. They were huge. Charlie tragically is murdered. Yeah, it's not the same. They're having troubles, right? So we can blame whoever we want to blame. I don't even care.

It's a shame to see it because, again, I care about where we're going forward. And so when I'm looking at this and I'm looking at what's going on, you know, I don't, Candace is going to say what she's going to say. People are going to say what they're going to say. And I don't really care. To me, the problem is that our policies, the things that we fought for in the election aren't happening. I mean, we're funding Ukraine. we've started multiple foreign wars,

which I'm not against everything about every foreign war, but I don't like the Iran war, and I know we'll talk about that, and I'm interested to hear what you have to say. We've got the glyphosate executive order. We're still funding MRNA, where we haven't passed the SAVE Act. No one's been held accountable.

Just before we came online tonight, I see they just finally dropped the sedition charges against the proud boys. Great. took so long. You know, I hear Todd Blanche, hey, we're not going to do anything further in the Epstein files. People are outraged by this. And they aren't just outrage, but they're being insulted for being outraged about child rape. This whole thing is insane to me. And to me, I don't think that the issue is real housewise drama between Candace and Erica. You know, I mean, I'm not into, like,

bash and so she lost her husband. I don't know. But I don't believe. But let's Let's pause, we can just say, it's not Candace bashing Erica. It's Candice bashing Turning Point and fracturing the organization that was rallying people to go vote, particularly young people. It's not about Erica Kirk. This started with her accusing Turning Point USA of killing Charlie Kirk or being involved in some way, and it evolved into now Erica is in some way a part of this. So when she's saying these things, what she is doing is going to her show and telling everyone

do not support turning point. And this means the biggest voter initiative that the right has is now smeared, defamed, and fractured. Well, let me ask you this. Okay, so I haven't gotten into this too much, but I don't believe the narrative about Charlie Kirk at all. I've shot. What narrative? About him being shot, the way he's shot. I watched it.

I was involved in it. So the gun that shot him, the 30 out six, I shot that gun a lot. I've used the 30 out six. It's a cannon. From 150 yards, there's not a bone on this planet in any human being that's going to stop that gut. I don't believe the narrative. There's so many inconsistencies. I respect that you don't. For me, as someone who has only a couple times shot 30 out 6, I had a SEAL team sniper tell me before the news even came out that when he saw the video,

he knew it was a 30 out 6 because that's what he used and that's what he saw. And this is just a random guy who was doing security for me. So I've talked to a handful of people who do, I'll be very careful how I describe it. People who go overseas for certain reasons. And I've had three or four people say to me like, oh, dude, that was a 30 out six. You don't even have, like, you don't really have to, I mean, well, I'll just say it like this. And I say this all the time on the internet when people are talking about it. Bullets do weird shit when they hit a body, when they hit, when they hit, when they hit a, like a gelatinous, basically, medium.

And then strike, but, let him strike. into a bone. Right, right, but weird shit. And we all know that. Both do weird things. But the other thing is people don't know the age or the load of the bullet. These things matter. So again, I'm with a guy who's a SEAL team sniper and he just goes, that's 30 out six.

He's like, man, as soon as I said, I wish I was filming what I said. Because I saw that video, that's what I said. And I was like, really, is that what you think it was? Then the news comes out 30 out six. And I was like, oh, wow. There's a lot of details here. I want to ask you which ones, I guess you dispute particularly. So first, there's like, do you believe Tyler Robinson first and foremost was the shooter,

I don't know. You know, I mean, I don't know. The problem that I have is I don't feel like they've been transparent about it. You know, they've tried to keep things under seal. And, you know, why do you, here's the thing that I always come back to. What do you mean? You want to elaborate on that? Like, what do you mean? Well, when they, when there was a push to try and keep the trial sealed and try and keep certain data sealed. Not turning point. They've been trying to get it open. No, no, I'm not saying turning point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not saying turning point. I'm not accusing. Who's, who's, what the government's trying to keep it sealed. Yeah. Yeah, turning point's trying to keep it open.

The government, but that's where my issue is, right? I don't press the government on this. It's the specific courtroom. It's the judge themselves. What do you mean? Trying to keep it sealed. They need to do their investigation. No, no, no, no.

No, no. The court doesn't want a public trial. Yeah. Of course. Turning point and Charlie's family and friends do. They want everyone to be able to see the evidence. Well, I don't think they want the Tyler Robinson to get off. And that's why they don't want to prematurely come out with a lot of the evidence.

But that's not what he's saying. No, you know, listen. If Robinson did it, that's fine. I want every piece of information in there. I had a problem, and I'll tell you, I know that you guys are going to jump me on this one, Joe Kent. Whether you believe Joe Kent or not, he offered to testify. If you're going to put your name, this is, you know, I'm a lawyer. If you're going to go under oath and you have valid information that's relevant to the trial, I want to hear it. What was his information that was valid? I don't know. That he was stopped from investigating a foreign nexus in the Charlie Kirk assassination. Don't you think that's not relevant to a court nor is it admissible? But they will now argue for it. And the defense is going to try and use it in the court of a public opinion to say the federal government did not do their job. The issue is that he's the, what is he, what is he, the deputy director of counterterror?

Or he was the director of counterterror under Tulsi Gabbard. He's, it's the FBI that handles these things. He said that cash told him not, I think he said cash, right, he said not to investigate. Well, yeah, why would the counter terror director be looking up an assassination? That's not his purview. Well, if there was indications of terror or if there was indication, we don't know what data he had. and we don't know what he was going to testify. Sounds like there wasn't.

Well, it sounds like, but again, you asked me for specifics, and I can't ask you for specifics on this because he can't give it. Well, my point is this. You're asking to prove a negative, right? So how about this? How about in the Swalwell case, why isn't the FBI allowing the counterterror to investigate whether Swalwell was doing, was raping these women because it was for China?

I mean, I can just make up a million and one things. And so it's possible that Joe Kent goes to cash and says, hey, I want to investigate if Israel did this. And cash goes, huh? Well, but did he have evidence? I mean, was there a basis for him to say that? We've never got you know, if he's coming out and specifically saying, I want to testify in this, I've got a reason. Yeah, his reason was that he was barred from investigating a foreign nexus involvement in the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Was that it? Do we know that that was it? That was the, from his interview,

he said he was told not to investigate if whether a foreign, I think he said foreign nexus may have been involved in the assassination of Kurt. And do you think, I don't want to misquote him, but. And I'm going to defend myself on this one because I think here's the deal. He's got a job to do. He's doing his job. Do you think that he just decided it for no reason at all? Well, we don't have access to what he has access to. He had all sorts of classified access.

I think that we are... For no apparent reason, he just decided, hey, you know what? I'm just going to invest me. I think it's mass formation psychosis. I think that we are seeing Israel derangement syndrome. I think there's certainly valid, I always say this because these people are psychotic. There are valid criticism of Israel, and quite a bit. No problem. I mean the free press wrote about the extremist problem in the West Bank with

Israeli settlers going in. Fine. But I look at these people who are claiming that Israel is behind everything all the time. And I'm like, okay, this is retardation. This is like, your brain is broken. We on this show, been tracking foreign policy for a long time. We've covered all of these stories. We had a woman recently on who said that Zelensky is a Jew who was put in power by Netanyahu because Netanyahu wants a corridor from Israel to Ukraine. And I'm like, yep, you made that up on the spot. That's just completely not true. And I don't know why you get, well, I get it.

People like Candace make these things up because people get all freaked out and then they watch these things. So when Joe Kent is like a foreign nexus, we get what he's saying. He's saying Israel. So if Cash is like, my God, dude, are you kidding me? Like, listen, you want to know what makes the most sense? Let's do Occam's Razor. Occam's Razor is a Wackaloon Lefty guy is the likely suspect in the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

I don't think he acted alone. There were Wackaloon lefties on social media who seemed to have four knowledge of the event. So if there is a conspiracy, and there may be who is likely behind it? But I want to know that. Left liberals, not a foreign nexus. Maybe, maybe, but I want to know and I want to know the whole truth. This is kind of like, this is like the J-6 pipe bomber. So I'll put it like this.

Autistic kid was a pipe bomber for J6? I mean, No, of course not. And I think more information has come out, which it's hard to get into because of the threat of litigation around this other individual. But I will say this, the strategy of intelligence agencies in dealing with conspiracies is to throw fake conspiracies to disrupt. 100%.

So Joe Kent comes out working in the intelligence agency and says a foreign nexus. Oh. And then I'm sitting here being like, who, who benefits? from the assassination of Charlie Kirk, the Democrats, the deep state, the intelligence agencies. How would you stop people from looking into what they did? Blame Israel for it because you can never prove it. They're 20,000 miles away. So now you've got Joe Kent coming out.

This is creating a potential to get Tyler Robinson off by creating more and more doubt. The defense is likely to come in and say, look at this. A government official said they weren't allowed to investigate. So I have questions about why Candace Owens' lawyers work out of the same building as the feds and why she is casting doubt on the suspect, if there was a conspiracy, which I think there is, I don't think there was a lone shooter that killed Charlie. I agree. There is evidence of discord chats. These messages between him and his lover seem to be fabricated. And they keep spinning it around to Israel did it. What this does is it disrupts any actual investigative journalism into who may have

done it. So when Joe Kent, from the intelligence agencies joins in and says, a foreign nexus, I'm like they're intentionally disrupting any chance at really looking into what happened. I literally agree with every single thing you're saying. And let me tell you what I think is most important about it, though. Yes, 100%. Could this guy be playing a game or that guy be playing a game? The problem is we don't know who's playing the game. And so to me, what's important is that we investigate every angle as openly and transparently as possible

because I don't trust any of them. And unless I see it with my own eyes, I don't trust any of them. Agreed. And so what you would do is you take the evidence you have. And then from each point of evidence, you'll advance one step to check. Where does this lead? And where does that lead? Transgender furries, Democrats, liberal leftists.

It would make the most sense, in my opinion, that if there was a conspiracy to kill Charlie Kirk, it came from Democrat donors, elite pedophiles. We know these people who have been funding Democrat politicians. don't get me wrong. Also, a lot of the uniparty Republicans that Trump went to war with. And how do you stop regular people online from actually looking into the donor class that really wanted to stop Charlie Kirk? You have a counterterrorism director come out and claim it was Israel, or at least insinuate. And then instead of investigating the trans furries on X who were claiming they knew something was going to happen, the discord groups, you're now getting people like Candace Owen screaming

screaming Israel did it. And I'm going to tell you, I agree with that. The only thing is, is I would not put a limitation on that. I would follow every single lead that was out there. And I would allow, listen, if Joe Kent goes out there and testifies and he perjures himself or lies, then guess what? But he's not. He's going to say, I wasn't allowed to investigate a foreign exit. Well, then you know what? It's going to be, it's going to be objected to as irrelevant because it is. Yep. And that's going to be the end of it. Probably why they're not going to call him. But that statement, what it does is now you've got the young people who are, the young people who once were curious about going to a turning point,

event, now we'll not do it. Well, I don't disagree. I don't disagree. But the problem that we have, the problem that we have is that both sides are presenting not impossible, right? There's a plausible chance that there was foreign involvement. Is it likely? Probably not.

Well, but there's a possible chance. I'm not going to argue that there was. But there's a possible chance that China has a moon base. But what is the evidence for it? No, no, this is the point. Like, there are a lot of things that are possible. There's a lot of things that are possible. It's possible the Nazis went to the dark side of the moon, I guess.

When someone makes an accusation, they're willing to put themselves under oath. What accusation was made? That there was foreign involvement. That's not the accusation that was made. That's never been said. Or that he was unable to investigate it. Yes, he wanted to look into this and was told he wasn't allowed. There's no evidence to insinuate that's actually true.

So a guy saying my boss wouldn't let me do a thing is not evidence of something. Does a defense, did the defense or did anybody want to call him? Was there any actual, did any of the lawyers, and I don't know this, I'm asking the question, did any of the lawyers actually have any interest in calling him? Yes, as far as I know right now, that's not gone anywhere. Okay. Because if the lawyers, here's where I go. I got to say this.

I got to say this. What's happening right now is exactly the problem I have with the space. You are insinuating. You are insinuating a foreign nexus may have been involved simply because Joe Kent said, I wanted to check to see. I'm not insinuating because I don't know that there is. You said an accusation was made. It's never been made.

It's never been made. This accusation comes from Candice Owens. and these other anti-Israel people. Joe Kent did not say I had probable cause at a foreign nexus. He never said that. Okay. Tom, it's a little bit amazing to me how, like, I feel like you're willing to grasp at these straws of evidence

of foreign nexus operations that I think are more or less baseless, but then completely disregard. I think the quality evidence against Tyler Robinson. I'm not at all. They're saying that there's his DNA sample at the scene of the crime, and then his cell phone data also puts him there. He also left a note for his gay lover and said, Luna, if you're reading this, per my text, I am sorry.

I left the house this morning on a mission and said an auto text. I'm likely dead or facing a lengthy prison sentence because I took out Charlie Kirk. Let me just say this. Let me just say this. I'm going to quote Nick Fuentes, okay? The Illuminati planted the wrong gun. Is that it? The Illuminati made a mistake.

And you on the internet just found it out. So I think he's spot on when he points this out, that all of these internet sleuths have been saying the most psychotic things from the get-go. One of which was that Charlie was shot from behind, and I was told to my face simultaneously that Charlie was actually shot from behind by a guy in the bushes in front of him. And I'm sitting here being like, hold on, you show me a picture of a guy. It's a grainy green picture. Like, that's a guy on a balcony pointed at Charlie in front of him.

Then you told me that he was actually shot from behind because it's all garbled nonsense. It's what I really think is going on for the most part is that nobody knows it. happened. Nobody wants to believe what happened. And people are also desperate for something to latch on to. But let me do this. I want to jump to this story from Raw Story to exemplify everything we're talking about. Raw story wrote this last night. They're getting sick of Trump, ex-GOP operative in awe as Trump booed at UFC Miami. Trump was not booed at UFC Miami. Never happened. How does this headline exist? It's like we're back in 2016 all over again. So I began digging into it. And here's a video from Eric Dardy of Donald Trump.

Here's the full video. 45th and now 47 presidents of the United States of America, Donald J. Trump. Everyone's just holding their cameras up and filming. Nobody's booing. They're waving. Smiling. He's smiling back. I was at a UFC event not that long ago when Donald Trump was there.

And I was in one of the, in the VIP section. and this is exactly, I think this is the end of 24, like right after he got reelected. And this is exactly what it looked like. He walked out slowly. Everybody was holding their cameras. I was holding up my camera. Why is it that people on X are claiming that Trump got booed over and over again? The original video from Eric Dardy is just, the man is in his element.

Love that Marco is here. People have taken this video, started just reposting it everywhere saying Trump got booed at UFC and prominent personalities that I know, friends of the show, are agreeing and saying Trump is getting booed. This is mass formation psychosis. These people are grifters. They are just saying these things because they want to get clicks and views. That's people are concerned right now that they want to get followers and they're going to burn the whole thing down to do it. I don't know what's going on. What I can say is everything is psychotic and insane and it's impossible to to work through. And maybe that is the intended condition. For a while now, the prediction has

been that the machine state could not allow decentralized podcasting and information spaces, and so they'd need to destroy it. And one of the theories was that they would flood the zone with fake news to make it impossible to figure out what is true. And they use human vice against the people who claim to want otherwise. Thus, proving a tremendous point. When some of the people who I'm going to leave their names out, who have shared this claiming he was being booed, which he clearly was not, either just did not watch the video and lied anyway because it gets them clicks, or they did watch it. No, he wasn't booed and said, who cares? We're going to share it anyway. It stands to reason that the machine state has proven its point to

me and many others. From the right to the left, it's grifters all the way down. They were never honest. They were lying the whole time because they wanted clicks. So who do you trust? The reality is, I guess, you can't trust anybody. Well, that's the point, though, right? And by the way, I don't disregard any of the evidence into Tyler Robinson. None of it, right? I have no problem with any of it. Most likely thing is most likely what happened. I'm just saying that we need to dig into everything because I don't trust anybody. At this point, I have watched our government lie to us, both parties endlessly. I don't trust a single person in our federal government, and I want to investigate everything. I don't care if there's a sliver of a chance. I want to dig into it.

You know, they also told us that there were no Epstein files, right? They also told us that there were told us, I mean, if I went through the list of the lies we've heard in the last year, I'm not an anti-Israel guy. I support Israel. I support the Jewish people. I don't like Netanyahu. But I do think that if someone's going to make accusations at this point, I will give, I'll give some of these whack-a-doodles as much of a chance as I will some of the, what,

the credible people? Because Dan Bongino is credible at this point? And the result will be the most likely scenario, Democrats take the midterms, they sweep, and they take 2028 in a sweep. There's one way to fix that. Donald Trump comes back to being mega. That's the only way. The one way to fix that is having a booming economy.

I fully believe. That's mega. I fully, well, I don't know about, I don't, I'm not so sure about that because the people that are, the people that that are specifically critical of the Charlie Kirk narrative, critical of what, you know, what's been done about the Epstein files. those people aren't going to come back because the economy's good. But the kitchen table issues, the things that will get the normal people that don't pay much attention to this kind of stuff, get them out to the polls is do I feel like my dollar is going as far as it did five, six, seven, four COVID. I don't think that changes anything.

I think that we've got with people like Candace Owens, you have mass formation psychosis. I have met what I would describe as defamation. fault libs. This is the way Andrew Breitbart described these people. They vote Democrat. They don't really pay attention to politics. It's just normal for them. And I've met many of these people who are anti-Trump and anti-Israel because of

Candice Owens. And you ask about politics and they'll tell you, I have no idea. A good example is this one we had in the show who said Zelensky was put in charge of Ukraine because he's a Jew and Netanyahu on a corridor to Israel. And I'm just like, you literally made that up right now on the spot

because you have no real justification. for why you think the Jews control Ukraine. This is mass formation psychosis. I don't think the economy matters. I really don't. I think we are looking at a demoralized generation. Millennials and Gen Z are largely demoralized. They're not concerned about buying houses

because they don't think it's possible so it's not a part of their worldview right now. They are not seeking to attain homeownership. Some do. Don't get me wrong. But I think largely as generations, millennials and Gen Z and soon-to-be Gen Alpha, Just don't even concern themselves with it because it's not something that you can do. These people are not motivated by needing to make more money.

They're quiet quitting. What's one of the big trends? These are people who think they're deserving of anything. They should burn down warehouses and their motivation is ideological. Here's a really funny story. There was a post. Did you guys see the guy who burned down the warehouse in Ontario, California? Reportedly he was getting $27 an hour.

I don't know that that's true for sure. I looked into the average wage. $23 an hour was the listed online wage for working in that factory. It was a contractor for Kimberly Clark. $23 an hour. The rumor is he was making $27 an hour, thought he deserved more. And after the fire, another employee was interviewed. And he said, it's a bummer because I just started making good money.

So the point is, this guy is not motivated by the money. He's motivated by the communist ideology telling him that no matter how, much he has, it's not enough, and he should have more. Whereas other people are like, wow, this is great. I'm finally making, you know, 20 bucks an hour. I got a job that I can actually live on. This guy said, I deserve more and burned it all down. I don't think the economy changes much. I think it is going to be a factor maybe three to five points, which can be dramatic. But we're looking at a major swing from right to left right now, and it's about 10 points. Actually, I think I have the, I've got this from Rich Barris. He says, Republicans lost the

nonpartisan but really is partisan Wisconsin Supreme Court by 20 points. The largest Democrat margin in the modern, what do you mean modern history? Lazar lost iron. Here's why we collect ethnicity details. Lumberjacks were Trump one and pre-Trump 2, BB version crushed, worse than Mitt Romney. We have this. He says, people do not understand the basics of the Trump realignment. Cook Political was delayed in this rating change.

It's the right call. Bernie Moreno lagged Trump by 10 points in 24. barely one versus Sherrod Brown, and even NRSC knows they're down in Ohio. Voters pop bubble. Check this out. Cook political changed. The North Carolina, North Carolina from toss up to lean Democrat, Georgia from toss up to lean Democrat, Ohio from lean Republican to toss up, and Nebraska from solid Republican to likely Republican. The trends that we have seen is a 10-point swing from Republican to Democrat. 100%. I mean, listen. We, we. elected Donald Trump, first and foremost, I would argue that the number one motivating factor behind 2024 was accountability.

Yep. I would say that was the number one thing, and we've had none, absolutely none. I love that we keep seeing the DOJ tell me about how many arrests they make. Well, listen, your job is to make arrests and to take monsters off the streets. We elected this administration because we wanted accountability at the top. I'm just going to say, I think the Democrats won. I think what we're looking at is they back off 24 to give Trump just enough rope, as the saying goes. And now prominent Trump supporters have broken from Trump and are effectively liberals.

They're at least spoilers. Democrats are going to sweep in. They're going to take everything and they're going to ram through their agenda. So I got to ban us. I think a lot of these pro-Trump personalities that are now anti-Trump and a lot of the reason why a lot of his personalities are just saying anti-Israel is because they fully expect Democrats to get in and they don't want to go to prison. Well, let me ask you this. You look at some of these guys out there that Trump now has problems with. Like he loved Massey, now he hates Massey. He hated Lindsey Graham. Now

he loves Lindsey Graham. I mean, isn't the problem that what we thought we were getting is not what we've gotten? I mean, at the end of the day, listen, I want Donald Trump to come back to the guy that we thought we were voting for in 2024, because if he does, it saves our country. Well, I think Trump just looked good by comparison, to be honest, Kamala Harris represented the failures of Biden, and people said Trump must be better. But I got to be honest, I don't take that criticism about Lindsey Graham particularly seriously considering Trump hired John Bolton. That's true. These people who are like, I can't believe Trump is paling with neocons, he was paling with

them the first time, too. J.D. Vance was a never-Trumper, and now he's the vice president. Fair enough. I mean, this is exactly who Trump has always been, especially with the we're not going to let Iran get nuclear weapons talk. It's like, yeah, we wanted, I think Trump's foreign policy in the Middle East has still been largely better than ever the president because they all started wars in the Middle East. I think if you remove wars in the Middle East, you get Trump with the Abraham Accords and other policies I think have been beneficial.

Not that I'm not a fan of him going to war with Iran, but I do think there's a bigger component there that actually, maybe we should just jump into right now while we've got a lot sitting here. We got this on the Wall Street Journal. Sanctioned Chinese tanker makes U-turn in Hormuz after trying to exit straight. This is crazy. So Donald Trump announces a blockade of any ship trying to go into or out of Iranian ports and through the strait. This morning, the reporting was that a Chinese tanker made it through the strait, but then at the Gulf of Amman turned around and went back into the Persian Gulf, indicating, presumably, that the U.S. said no, and they weren't able to pull off whatever they were trying to do.

Now, here's where it gets interesting. I think, I now, I believe, more than ever, the shuddering of the Strait of Hormuz was the intention in the war. Take a look at all of the factors at play right now. I don't care what anyone says. I care what we see, and we see a few things. China is pissed. They have been issuing public statements that this is disrupting the global order and it should not be allowed to stand. Why? They've been cut off from around 20% of their energy imports, which is damaging their economy massively and they're in serious trouble if this persists. But also take a look at Trump going into Venezuela beforehand, securing Western oil assets, then starting a war in Iran, where the strait was already open and then it gets closed.

Trump goes, oh no, the straits closed. I swear if you don't open that straight, Now, why would he be saying that, again, I don't care what he says. I care about all I look at is the math of it. Let's calculate everything based on simple data points. Venezuela captured. U.S. gets access to the oil assets, the largest oil hub, basically production, distribution in the world. It's ours. Trump goes to war with Iran, causing the Strait of a war was to shudder. Trump makes statement ensuring Iran keeps it closed. When Iran reopens the strait as a total booth, as a tollway, Trump orders a blockade of the straight for any tankers, particularly this Chinese one.

When you remove the, we're trying to get the straight open talk, that's PR hubbub. The end result is all of the actions we have seen thus far seem intended to stop U.S. adversaries from getting access to Middle Eastern oil. In the meantime, the Gulf is exporting at record levels. Now, here's what I think. Trump can't come out and say, we start. a war with Iran, bombed them and killed their government because we're trying to cut off China's energy access. Because then China would say, okay, that's a declaration of war, right? What they,

what the U.S. comes out and does and says, no, no, we're trying to get it open. Trust me. Are your ad campaigns lighting up the dashboard, but not the pipeline? That's bullsbend. And marketers are calling it out in Dashboard Confessions. My boss asked for results. So I open my dashboard for the only positive sounding metric I had. Cushions. Cut the bull spend. See revenue, not just reach. LinkedIn delivers the highest return on ad spend of major ad networks.

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and we're going to do a tollway, then Trump says, no, send in the blockade. Well, that's, that's, that's, it's all on purpose. When you take, when you take a look at the Venezuela stuff, plus the, the, uh, the new, uh, defense agreement or cooperation agreement with Indonesia, uh, regarding the straight of Malacca, the, like when you look at the big picture, it's a significant, uh, effort to change China's basically their energy policy because the straight of Malacca, the Gulf of, the Strait of Hormuz and the issues with Venezuela

sending oil illicitly to China and then you toss in the the issues with the what's it called the it's in it's in it's I'm spacing on it

the the waterway from the Red Sea the no no it's the Suez the not the Suez the other canal the Panama Panama because China was trying to buy the ports on both ends they were trying to change. Let's think about this. So it's like this is all of this stuff when you, when you, you know, zoom out, all of this is targeting China. Who was supplying oil to our

adversaries, Venezuela and Iran? Trump just shut both distribution hubs down. That's not an accident. So I, you know, I made a video about this because there's something called Game Theory 18 by that Chinese professor. Some people don't like him. They call him a CCP professor. I don't know anything about him. All I know is he said Trump is doing it's intentionally to cut off China's access to energy, which comes from Iran, comes from the Gulf. he caught off Cuba. He then threatened sanctions against anybody. So Trump just shut down oil distribution from Venezuela and from Iran to our adversaries while also destroying the governments of Venezuela, Iran. And now Cuba. This looks like a coordinated play on the part of the U.S.

to basically wipe out our adversaries and make the U.S. the dominant hegemonic power. And speaking of Cuba, Cuba was uniquely positioned to make trouble for any kind of ships that are going into the Gulf of America where they're now going to Houston. They're getting oil from Texas. Yep. And now blowing up the cartels and all of that stuff. So let me just say, you know what? You're right.

Trump's an idiot. What really happened is that he was walking down the street, slipped on a banana peel and pulled a perfect backflip. And everyone saw him and said, look at that idiot. He slipped. And I'm sitting here being like, he said a perfect backflip.

Well, you know what? I'm going to ruin because I've kind of been the foil tonight, right? Ruin it. Here's the thing, right? So, you know, I got my no problem calling Trump on the things I dislike. But here's, there's a lot of arguments for the 5D chess on the China thing, right? The China thing, everything you guys said. Number keeps going to be at 4D, 5D.

We're going to be at 27D soon, right? And I don't believe that's the case in a lot of places. But, you know, there is an argument to be made. Everything you said is right. And what you said at the end was really key because not only is China not getting the oil, but we now have everybody coming to the Gulf of America. Trump was talking about he wanted to make the United States energy dominant. That was something that he was talking about.

But let me throw in another one for you guys. Let me throw in another one. CCP, we know that one of Trump's biggest issues, selection integrity. CCP was running through Venezuela, if you believe the stories. And, you know, I mean, I do believe that there's a lot of evidence Venezuela was very much involved with election fraud. Tech hub. Yeah. And so also.

So we're cutting CCP ties to our election system. We're cutting the CCP's – I mean, Venezuela was a beachhead for the CCP in the Western hemisphere. We are – I mean, this is having the effect of removing the CCP tremendously. So, you know, at the end of the day, I don't trust anybody ever. Someone – but – someone tweeted – it does add up. Someone tweet at me, Trump isn't worried about the midterms. Have you considered why yet?

with the implication being that either through his executive order or the SAVE Act or something, Trump's going to control how the elections play out. Hey, look, I'll tell you this. If the Republic, if I'm wrong about everything and, like, if I'm right about this, right, Trump is working to shut out our enemies and create a dominant U.S. hegemonic power and oil and energy. But outside of that, if I'm wrong about the midterms, Democrats are going to sweep, we're losing, I will be happier than a pig in ish, okay? So Donald Trump, sure, whatever.

Maybe he really does not care about all the stuff because he fully expects to win. The one thing I will say with all of these anti-Trump people, I do in the back of mine think it may actually be a Pied Piper thing. That is, when you look at the Ellison's buying CBS and Paramount, now acquiring Warner and TikTok, there appears to be a pro-Donald, a pro-Donald Trump, pro-U.S., pro-Israel force. buying out media, and you know that only goes one direction. The end result is in four or five months, these people who are in opposition to that worldview find themselves on the outs. They can't get sponsors anymore. Their viewership starts declining.

Maybe, maybe not, what do I know? But that's in the back of my mind. I will say that for sure. Well, I mean, you get the Salem network as well. I mean, all the stuff coming out about Salem and, you know, the Trump ownership and the Israel involvement. And, you know, I mean, at the end of the day, you're, you're. you know, we could very well be correct on this.

I don't know whether Trump's got any five-d-chance. I do know this. I've got, you know, I've been told by credible people, and I'm, you can take it for what. I know the internet's going to say, well, who and what? And I'm not going to tell you because I can't. But, so take it for what it's worth. But, you know, I do believe that there will be some executive action before the midterms on the election fraud issue. We'll see.

Here's the play. Trump signs an executive order two weeks before the midterms. No time for the courts. Exactly. And even if they try to get it through, Trump gets an appeal, it gets an injunction. They're not going to be able to get anything through. And that could, I mean, that would be nuts. What I will say on the international stage stuff, if we're, as we're talking about, you want to pull the map and we'll take a look at all those stuff. I'm going to just say it like this. I don't care the opinions of anybody at myself. None of that matters. ignore everything I've said, ignore everything the anti-Trump people say and the pro-Trump people say,

and just calculate data points. Venezuelan oil under U.S. control. Cuba strangled on the verge of collapse. Iran, their government's completely gone. The strait is closed and Gulf oil distribution has shut down with a U.S. blockade on Iranian ports. China's access to energy has been cut by, what, 25 percent? ignoring everything else, this is one of the most massive victories for Western militaristic power that I've seen in my life. And again, you want to call it an accident and say Trump's an idiot.

You want to say this is never the intention, whatever. I'm only bringing up the data points that are factually confirmed. Everything I stated confirmed. Tim, China imports 55% of its oil through the Gulf of War moves. They cut off. Holy. China's going to collapse. The international energy agency called it the largest supply disruption in the history of the global oil market.

Okay. Now, let me just say this. What happens to China in one month? How long can they hold out for? Do they have the reserves for this? Four months. They have four months with nothing coming in. And they're providing a kit by-

I've never been more pro-Trump. I'm going to grow a mustache. Snuck some cigars. Guys, I'm, again, you know, I made a video. I've made several videos talking about the current stage of events that's happening around the world. And I've had these former conservatives calling it cope and seeth that I'm saying Trump is working a plan here. And they're like, you're coping. Trump's failing.

Israel made him do it. None of that aligns with any of the foreign policy that we have watched over the past 20 years. The Cutter Turkey Pipeline, perfect example. I love bring it up. You know I do. It's my favorite story. that the U.S. wanted to build a pipeline through Syria, from Iraq, Syria, Turkey into Europe, and Syria said no. So what happens? Syria falls in a civil war. We're on the side of the people who want to get rid of Assad.

Assad told us he will not allow the pipeline because it will disrupt Russian energy and they're allied with Russia. That had nothing to do with Israel. It had only to do with Israel and that Israel is an ally in the region who was bombing Syria because we wanted them to. Ukraine. Perfect example. Gasprom, Russian natural gas runs through Ukraine providing 20% of European natural gas. So what happens? Western assets, NATO, the EU, start courting Ukraine. Vladimir Putin goes to Ukraine and says, do not join NATO or the EU. If you do, it starts here. Putin says to Ukraine, if you open your board, if you open your board, to European trade and we have open borders trade with you as part of our trade agreement.

European goods will flood our country and disrupt our economy. We can't allow that. So Putin offers Ukraine billions of dollars. The EU offers Ukraine billions of dollars. This was back when it was Yanukovych. Janukovych says, let's negotiate. The West takes the mafioso route. We're done negotiating with you. If you don't take the deal we're offering now, then we're done talking. Putin offers him a better. deal. Yanukovych sides with Putin and what happens? All of a sudden we get the Euro Medan movement. We get NGOs being funded in Ukraine and the country falls into this major split where we'll call him activists storm the home of Yanukovych. He flees the country and

goes to Russia. Zolensky comes in. Then you get Trump coming into office after this. That was during Obama. And the war stops. I go back to Ukraine at this time. And I go to my friends in Kiev and I say, is the civil war still happening? I don't know, no, no, we don't say that anymore. it's just some separatists now. But after Euro-Maydan, they were calling it a civil war in the eastern regions in the Donbass. When Trump comes into power, that all stops. Trump is no longer going to Russia and saying, I'm going to cut off your energy access. Joe Biden has his son on the board of Burisma, an energy company in Ukraine.

All of this aligns with the U.S. trying to get control of natural gas and everything into Europe. Now what we're having is you're looking at everything going on with Iran, as Phil pointed out, 55% of Chinese energy is now blocked off. And they're, they tried getting a tanker through because they're probably desperate and the U.S. turned them around. China's in trouble. They got, and it's not just four months. This is going to back them up bad because they're being hurt by this.

They're draining their resources. They're going from 5.4 million barrels a day, imported, China was getting importing 5.4 million barrels a day to just over two and a half million. Now, here's my ultimate point. With all of the stuff on Ukraine, Qatar, Turkey, Syria. etc. They wanted to build the pipeline from Qatar, up through Iraq, et cetera. I'm being told by everybody, Trump's retarded, he's screwing the whole thing up, and Israel

made him do it. That does not align with everything we've already tracked for the Syrian war, for the war in Ukraine, for the war in Afghanistan, for Trump's negotiations with Russia, the Nord Stream 2 bombing, Germany filing an arrest warrant on a Ukrainian, it all lines up. with this is a plan to shut down the BRICS nations and create Western dominance in energy. So let me throw this out. Okay. Now I'm going to go back to being a foil again. So we've got all of these things that we've laid out here. And I agree with you that all of these could point to a, what are we up to 16, 17 DHS move. I mean, you know, something crazy here.

Maybe this is all right. I don't disagree that, you know, it looks like. There's a lot of things here that could add up. But now let's look on the domestic side for a second. We've got provable lies, Epstein, some of these other things. We have, and this is where there's a couple issues that are near and dear to me that are not being talked about. They're not viral, but they should be. We have real ID, which is a digital ID, that track and trace everything in this country. I've laid out, I've got pinned to the top of my Twitter profile, a breakdown of how legally

it, Real ID implements digital biometric centralized database. It does. We have a move towards centrally governed digital currencies. I'm not going to say CBDCs because that's not, they're not going to be central bank, but a move towards centrally governed digital currency. It's going to be Bitcoin. Maybe, maybe very well. I mean, I don't know who it's going to be, but the point is it's going to be something

that can be controlled, right? we see the passage of different laws that are kind of consolidating control in different spots. We see lies about Epstein. We see all these bad things happening domestically. So here's the deal. I don't know when I should trust a liar. I can see. But just real quick, again, the points I'm making about the effects of this war and the military reactions are immaterial to anything said by anyone. You remove Trump from the equation, and we have. the U.S. has seized back oil assets from Venezuela, now controls Venezuelan oil.

Cuba is surrounded cutoff on the verge of collapse. China has just lost access to 55% of its energy. Iran's government is completely destroyed. And our adversaries who, not just China who get their oil from the Gulf, can no longer do it. Trump has nothing to do with that. I mean, by all means, Trump's the president. But he's not said anything. Nothing being said, those things are all true.

They're objectively true. Everything that you said there is objectively true. My question is the motive behind him and what's the result? You know, listen, great. But, but what is the motive behind it? Well, I don't know. That's the problem. Again, well, yeah, it does matter. Why?

Well, because are we moving from, okay, let's say China's the enemy right now, right? How do you feel about, you know, kind of the global elite, it's the world economic form type people? Yeah, they're cut out too. How do you see that? How do I see that? How do you see that they're cut out? I see them, I see that, I see everything that they're pushing for coming into play. We've got centralized digital currencies, digital currencies, digital.

track and trace. We see pushes, you know, for the... Well, that's true. And Trump funded with what was it, Stargate, Project Stargate, for the investment into AI. How do we know, listen, how do we know that this isn't a power struggle between one side or the other? I don't trust anybody. And that's where I keep coming back to. I think it's fair to say that what we're seeing domestically is they need to remove Trump from power to stop what he's doing. And so, interestingly, and I, Big tech, I think, is obviously anti-Trump.

I don't know about X, obviously, but YouTube for sure. And they didn't just stop being anti-Trump. Facebook has always censored everything we do. The only thing Trump has right now is Paramount and TikTok and Salem. So these moves are being made, but it does seem like the World Economic Forum elites are trying to stop Trump. These are the deep state, Democrat, Uniparty, Republican, shills in the United States. that Trump has been up against the whole time, this war is playing out culturally, civilly, and internationally with physical conflict.

Are we given them, aren't we given them more power? If we weaken their enemy, the world economic forum crew, I don't think the world economic, you know, there's been a lot of discussion back before. Well, Trump forcing NATO to pay more of their GDP into their military and Trump controlling natural gas with Ukraine into Europe, like, yeah, he's strangling out these things. Threatening to leave NATO, threatening to take over Greenland. I think that he's given a big middle finger to the WEF people. I don't think these people are particularly fans of the president.

I think he actually hates them. I think he squeezes them at every opportunity. He just got the NATO. When you talk about WEF, I just assume you're talking about Europeans because it's hard to really understand. Well, yeah, it's the Davos elites. It's the, you know. Those are the guys who he's squeezing. And he has not many friends among them, if anything.

He's giving an earful to all these foreign leaders when they visit, particularly from Europe. So I don't know. He's particularly been talking down to them, especially because of their lack of intervention with what's going on in Iran, with our war in Iran. So if anything, I think their power and influences on the decline in the administration. But I feel like I do understand that you do have certain political beefs, I guess, with the administration. He's not accomplishing everything that he's ever said to that he will, but I think it's difficult for any politician to do so. I think on the major issues, though, I think he's making a very large difference in doing what he's saying. The number one issue that I think many people care about and that he ran on was this

mass deportation agenda. And I think as far as that goes, you know, you only have so much political capital and political bandwidth. I think he's been doing a very effective job. I think you also need to consider. What's the majority he has in the House to actually affect change? But back to that point. The issue of immigration, I think Trump came to a harsh reality is that our economy is in trouble because we don't have babies. We don't have the workers to come in and take these jobs right now. And so I think we talked about it to a great deal. Thanks to his MRNA, we aren't going to be able to have babies. Well, I don't know about that. But several years ago, we talked about how Donald Trump's plan for mass deportation and immigration restrictions

means that the economy may get worse because we don't have new workers to come in. And my response is, so be it. It is the responsibility of the people to, you know, persist. And that means we need to start having babies. And so we have people in our chat constantly, like super chatting us being like, we're having a baby again. However, I think that Trump's advisors probably went to him and said, if we're going to defeat our enemies and we are going to put America on top, we have to slow down with anything that would curtail us domestically while we put greater pressure on China. And I think this is exemplified by the gas prices right now going up. The war is causing domestic damage. a lot of it, except China is facing substantially worse. So is Iran. So is our debt of the other nations

that are holding our debt. They are taking substantially more damage. So we're all getting hurt, but we're getting hurt the least. I think that's what, you know, I'm going to say this. We need to stop giving Trump credit. We just, we just do. The problem is you say Trump did this, Trump did that. It's the Trump administration. It's the people who work with them. It's Pete Hegseth, it's J.D. Vance. It's Tulsi Gabbard. It's all of these people. And not just them, there are other guys working at Intel that we don't even know their names that are working with Trump. The issue is, you say Trump did this thing. And then the anti-Trumpers, who in their mind believe that Trump can only be retarded, because that's not true. Here, Trump may have pulled off this plan.

And then they're like, that's not possible. Trump's too stupid to do it. And then I'm sitting here being like, yeah, or the intelligence agencies have been working on this for a lot. long time and got Trump in on it. And this is part of the fact. Or Trump came in, saw the pieces on the chess board, brought in advisors, they discussed it and moved some pieces around. And this is the play they're making. I don't think, I think it's very easy to say Trump did it. I really don't think so. I think these ideas come from like Stephen, like domestically, Stephen Miller's telling him what to do. You know what I mean? I think Trump's, I think Trump is a China hawk. And there were China hawks in the administration that had plans like this that knew about these situations.

They got together and came up with a basically a global foreign policy plan. And Trump was receptive to it because he looks at China as a problem. Look, I think definitely the cabinet is giving the president a lot of different options. And those inform a lot of his decisions. Obviously, former Senator Marco Rubio, now Secretary of State, was known for being very hawkish on China, on Cuba, on Venezuela, on Iran. when he is in the Senate. I will say, though, I think I know him from reporting to be the actual trigger man, to be the actual decision maker, I do think the buck stops with him.

Trump, you mean? Yeah. I think a lot of this stuff goes to him and he is making the final decisions. I think people who think that he's being, you know, misled or manipulated, particularly on the Iran stuff, are misunderstanding the president completely. I don't think the president was confused about his decision. I think he did, it took a lot of chutzpah and audacity to do something that no other of the five prior presidents we're willing to do, and that's obviously attack the Iranian government

and take the shout, an attempt at regime change and, you know, strangle holding different oil channels and trade channels here. I think this is really a flex of power. He's willing to pull the trigger on Venezuela. I suspect he's going to be pulling the trigger on Cuba soon as well. He's continuing to support Ukraine, which is bogging down Russia further there. So, you know, I think people, they like to project onto Trump what their political beliefs are, but he obviously he has agency and I think makes his own decisions. Yeah. I could. I got to be honest with you. At the end of the day,

you know, we can speculate whether Trump's playing 48D chess or whether he's, you know, not doing that, you know. But at the end of the day, we voted for America first and this is this stuff, you know, maybe 10 years down the line, 15 years down the line, we needed to spend

the first couple years, he needed to spend the first couple years focusing in America. Is it? We needed jobs. We needed recovery. We needed to hold people accountable that censored us in our country. Is it your take that this wouldn't be considered America first? These kind of foreign policy moves that set up the United States as basically taking the power of OPEC basically away and putting that power on the U.S. I can't think of a policy that's more America.

I'm going to say it like this. My view and I think Trump's view in 2016 with Hillary Clinton, I think Trump completely agree with you. And I think that's why you think he's not mega right now. I think that Trump initially was like you lied to Jeb Bush, your brother, lied to get us into a war, all of those things. And then what happens is Trump gets into office and he says, okay, we're going to bring jobs back here. We're going to do tariffs. And what does he find? Well, aside from obstruction, he finds that China is projected in six years to take over as the dominant global economy. They've got the Belt and Road initiative. They've been working,

they were working on building a Nicaraguan canal to bypass Panama, which would destroy a massive aquifer. And Trump says, okay, well, I don't care what they do. I want America. to be better. And they, his advisors come to him and say, when China takes control as a dominant global economy, the standard of living for Americans will drop tenfold. Also, the timing of this, China has been saying that in 2027 is when they were looking to take back Taiwan. Right now, TSCM is in, TSCM is in in Taiwan. And with the AI race that's going on now, you can't have China controlling the most advanced chips. And this pressure puts China in a position, where they cannot.

Well, they don't have the energy to do it now. Yeah, exactly. So AOC is asked at the, was it the EU security, European Security Council meeting or whatever, should the U.S. defend Taiwan if China moves on it? And she gives this long,

rambling non-answer that everyone made fun of her for because she's trying to look presidential and she has no idea what she's doing. With cutting off China's access to energy, there's no concern at all now about China going after Taiwan because they don't have the energy to do it.

They're in trouble that Trump made this move. And Trump did it in a way where it's an oopsie daisy, I made a mistake. That's how it looks. Oh, no, they shut it all down. So again, I'll say it like this. You don't have to agree and you don't have to like the foreign policy moves that Trump is making. My view in 2016 with Hillary Clinton was, if you wanted to be a fat American who does very little work for a whole lot, Hillary Clinton was your candidate because she was willing to go to war with Russia over Syria. She wanted a no-fly zone over Syria because of the Cutter Turkey Pipeline. She was told by our general that would be a declaration of war on

Russia because they have a naval base in Tartus and that would restrict their movements. And so she said she did not care. I said that's crazy. Trump said that was crazy. And we voted for Trump because we wanted domestic policy. We wanted our jobs back. We wanted immigration put under check. We wanted to revitalize that American spirit. I think Trump gets in. And again, we've talked about ad nauseum of the past several years. China was actually expected to take over, I think, in 2027 was the original date some like 10 years ago. And then it kept getting pushed back for some reason or another. 2032 was one of the later projections.

Now that's pushed back even further. My view has been for a while. And again, I don't know everything, guys. My opinion might change based on new information. But we had talked about how Hillary Clinton, Democrats, were concerned about Thucydides trap. That is, if China was going to supplant the U.S. as the dominant global power, there was fear that a war would break out.

12 of the last 16 historical events where a new empire has a planet. The old one resulted in war. So the theory is that Democrats began colluding with China, bringing their assets over to China, expecting a wealth transfer. The U.S. is on the decline. China is ascendant. Instead of going to war, the elites of the United States will sell off their assets to China. You've got Chinese birth tourism. You've got Chinese buying up all our property.

You've got China stealing our IP. We've got China coming to our universities and taking our IP. and the elites let them do it because when the shift finally happens and China is the global order, these people will live like kings. They'll retain their wealth and they will want for nothing. Trump says that's never going to happen. Comes into reverse that. Domestic policy is difficult. More importantly, if China does take over, none of it would matter. So what we're seeing right now, I don't know what's true or what's not. I can only say this. I don't care if it involves Trump. I don't care what Trump, Vance, Hegseth, or Rubio says, we can just nail the point by point of what is true.

We own Venezuelan oil. Cuba is surrounded and their government is collapsing. Iran's government has been wiped out. There's a new government that can be wrong, but all top 40, 50 people in their leadership have all been killed. And the new Ayatollah is reportedly in a coma and has not been awake since. I think he's dead. China just lost access to half its energy, as has all of our adversaries in the region. and the U.S. is exporting record levels of crude.

Outside of whatever you think happened, whether it was intentional or not, these are tremendously powerful benefits to the United States in the long run. And we will see short-term benefits to that. The exporting of massive crude, we are seeing, I think the average gas price right now across the country is at 50 cents. A lot of people are pissed about that. Hopefully Trump gets a handle on this, but I got to say, I said this before, if Trump, if this is actually the play, the Trump administration, should they succeed in this endeavor,

will go down as the greatest administration in American history. Depending on what else they do domestically. Well, let me ask you this, so here's my concern. Let's say that I take everything, everything we say is correct. Let's say that everything we here is that it is a plan, the goals to do this. Why not wait until after midterms? Right now, listen, right now, why? Because China's, China had a plan to take Taiwan in 2027 and all of these pieces fit together to apply pressure on China, which would prevent China from having them.

Venezuela alone should have slowed that down, right? No, no. Venezuela did not, didn't have like, it wouldn't have had enough impact on China. It took all of these pieces to really put an impact because like we said, China has four months of, of, of, uh, oil in reserve. They have like, they have like, I, I can give you one simple reason. All the world's a stage. That's why. Whether it's Trump, the Democrats, or otherwise, the intelligence agencies have this plan in place, and they were going to do it regardless of who is in power.

And members of Congress can't even talk to us about what's really going on, nor can they actually pass any real laws. So maybe what's actually happening is that the Hillary Trump, the Democrat, deep state, all of that's been fake the whole time. I don't know. Well, here's the thing. I think that that's probably the closest truth that we've gotten to tonight. I got to be honest.

I wouldn't be surprised. Listen, I just don't trust. You know, it's like I go back and probably one of the most seminal events in my life was watching them tell us that we had to put masks on our children to go to a school. Two masks. Or three, depending on the day. And then no masks. And then, you know, put a panty hose over your head.

Yeah. You know, I mean, it was insane, right? So I had that point. I want to tell you something, but your point, I don't want to interrupt you. So my point is, is at this point, I'm sorry, if Trump had been honest about the other things, if he'd been honest about Epstein, if he'd gone after some of these global elites. You know, I mean, listen, some of these guys that are,

you want to take down W.E.F? Let's look at the Epstein files. Real quick, I think. Not at all. Look, what would have needed to be there for you to be satisfied? The rest of them. But the rest of what? Who do you know to be in there?

I don't know who's in there. What I know is that Todd Blanche specifically said there were 6.5 million pages. We released about 3 million. And most of those were redacted very poor. Pam Bondi said there were tens of thousands of hours and then later says well it was just porn from the internet okay sure the stuff that was the stuff that was in the original listen we need transparency and here's the thing had they not said had Dan Bongino not outright lied and said there's no Epstein files

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Although I believe that the Epstein files were suffering from being too hyped up, I think the administration burned itself by hyping up the files so much prior to getting in. So people like Cash Patel, who's now the FBI director, or Dan Bongino, hype these files up so much that it's hard to really blame you for being dissatisfied with what's coming out, following all the hype that's been around this from the people who ended up in the administration.

So although I believe it has turned into a witch hunt when you have people like Pam Bondi who contributed with these Epstein filed binders to make people believe they were getting new stuff when they weren't action. It was botched. All of this stuff was botched. So like at the same time. I just want to say. You know, it's hard to blame you when, you know, they really messed up this rollout. And I, Van Bondi and Cash Patel and Dan Baugh, they all overpromised, underdelivered.

And now with their actions, you know, they didn't want it to come out. And Massey had to force it out. Okay. Okay. Okay, so my point is, you know, I really do often find it impossible to believe that any of this is real. The reason why I say that maybe it's all one big, happy family tree son, it's all the world's stage. Trump is just doing these policies. It's all meant to convince people that you have choice because the only thing we ever talk about are cultural issues.

No one ever really cares about what's going on in foreign policy. I just find it hard to believe that Pam Bondi screwed up on accident, that Dan Bongino screwed up an accident because you have to be really bad at your job to screw that up. So it seems like it makes more sense to me

that it was intentionally done the way it was done. You think the Pam Bondi Binder thing was like she knew that it was going to be a huge... I'm projecting. I'm projecting because I would not have screwed it up. So I can't imagine a scenario.

It doesn't matter. I don't... No, no. Pam Bondi just... I get it a lot. I can't imagine a scenario where the intelligence agencies together are stupider than I am as a single individual. For example, I've said it over and over again. If Dan Bongino came out right after he got the FBI and when he was asked about Epstein, he just went,

oh man, you know, we're going through these files, guys, and it's going to take some time because if we want to get the bad guys, we got to do it right. Otherwise, they get away. But we're working on it. So hang tight. That would have bought him six months. Absolutely. Six months later, they could have released some files.

He could have then said, we're currently working a criminal investigation. If we release the information, now the bad guys get away, I'm sorry, but 20 years of criminal conspiracy cannot be solved in one. And everyone would have been like, let's go, Dan, and said he comes down and he goes, Epstein killed himself. And everyone's like, what? I can't imagine that was on accident. Maybe it was. It feels like it turned into a witch hunt at a certain point. and the only way to satisfy that witch hunt was a scapegoat,

which we didn't ultimately have. The hammer didn't come down on anybody. There was one prince who stepped down or something. That's what I think people like you want, though, right? You want billionaires or these people in W.EF. Trump should have literally taken a goat, brought it out to the White House lawn, and then shown Epstein files the picture of the goat in it and be like, the goat did everything.

Then they slaughter the goat. That's what you do. That's what a scapegoat is. Okay, yeah. That's literally what a skateboard is. Yeah, exactly. I mean that in a serious manner, though. I feel like they promised goods and they never delivered.

And people like you, who were, I think, bought into the hyper were sold a set of stories or that may or may not be true or that we didn't end up seeing their resolution to. They didn't come with the goods after promising them for so long. So let me ask, can anybody in this room, we started hearing about Epstein in the 90s, right? And first of all, I'm going to diffuse this. For anybody that wants to say, well, did you ask about it during Biden? No, I voted for Trump because I expected more. Okay?

I knew Biden was a piece of crap. I voted for Trump. I fought for Trump. I campaigned for Trump because I wanted more. So no, I didn't expect that Joe Biden, whose son was bringing crack to the White House, was going to do anything about this, you know, allegedly, allegedly bringing Clark to the White House. But so, but here's the thing.

This starts in the 90s. Allegations of the Clintons, allegations. I mean, we got the Bill Gates thing. I mean, he's, you know, he's slipping his wife antibiotics because he got some, God knows what, from some Russian hookers. Does anybody in this room seriously believe that Epstein wasn't running a blackmail ring for elites? I mean, does anybody not believe that? I don't know that I believe or disbelieve it.

What's the evidence that he was running a blackmail? mail ring. After 20 years, 30 years of this constantly being a conversation, constantly being a topic, of criminal prosecutions, of all sorts of things. Now, by the way, if you- Well, I think it was only at the end of the 2000s when they brought the first charge against him, first-lescent, the underage girls. What had happened was two young girls were fighting with each other. And then when they went and separated the girls, they found a bunch of money in her purse and said, where'd you get it? And she said, I work for Jeffrey Epstein. Here's what we do. and they're like, he's hiring underage girls to be hookers.

So he gets charged for it. But the theory that he was blackmailing people, I believe, became particularly prominent after 2012 when people started asking why Epstein was granted, like, where to get his money from? He was a teacher. None of it made sense. And so theories started to emerge, again, largely based off of circumstantial evidence, speculation, things like that emailed to Bill Gates where he said, you know, I gave you medication

to give your wife, there were things like that. I don't know that we've seen any evidence that Epstein was actually an intelligence asset that was blackmailing a ton of world leaders. That's not to say he wasn't. I think that Epstein was likely tied with intelligence agencies that was doing something in this space. But I'm only saying this to be careful on, I don't want to have them throw a bone for us to chase in the wrong direction when we're trying to figure out what it is that Epstein was doing. And so there's a lot that's involved. The blackmail is certainly one of these theories.

But for now, the only evidence we have of it was that he wrote a draft email to Bill Gates saying he wanted $30 million. Don't you remember when you drugged your wife with antibiotics because some hookers gave you an STD? I think a lot of this story, the truth is already bad enough. And for people to like continue chasing and exaggerating certain portions of the story takes away from that. example, the legitimate, like, parts of the story, I mean, um, Howard Lutnik currently in the administration, even after Epstein was convicted of, you know, running around with these underage children in

Florida still hung out with him and still was willing to meet him multiple time. And Lutnik still allegedly went to the island following that. Bill Gates, this, his relationship with Bill Gates was all after he was convicted of this, you know, behavior with younger children. So, like, there's a lot of evidence of like very bad behavior, not particularly illegal for these other guys, just unbecoming for people in power. And I think, you know, people chasing other parts of the story that may or may not turn out to be true or fleshed out by the evidence is really overshadowing a lot of that bad behavior because, I mean, I know there was a short little witch hunt for Howard Lutnik, but nothing came of it, although there is a lot of pressure allegedly right now in the administration

for his ousting. Like, instead of focusing on some of these other points, people are saying, you know, they're unsatisfied because they aren't getting so-called scalps from whoever may have allegedly been in these videos that they're saying is just, you know, online videos or whatnot. So, so three million plus pages. I'm going to be real honest with you. I've not read the three million that have been out. I've read excerpts. I've looked at things. No way did I get through three million pages. There are over three million more pages. And according to Pam Bondi, thousands of hours of video. I don't want to see the video. It was reported when they raided that his entire mansion in New York was full of cameras everywhere. I mean,

what do you think we're not seeing? And by the way, isn't it interesting that everything in those three million pages that was out there was either redacted or very vague or, I mean, in three million pages, wouldn't you have thought that there had been a few names here and there by even by accident. Is there anything that could come out that could convince you that he wasn't organizing a pedophilic sex ring that was, you know, getting blackmail on politicians? Is there anything that can convince you that that's not, that that that didn't happen? Well, I got, I got, no, is there any evidence that he did do that? No, that that could convince him that he did. No, no, no, I understand. But my point is that there isn't. What is the evidence that Epstein did have a

pedophile trafficking ring where he was blackmailing politicians? I'm not saying there is. I think that people, the evidence that people beat around the bush and used innuendo around was that he was convicted for relations for somebody under-old, underage. To underage girls that he hired him in Suited and had him do happy-endings. And then was around a lot of rich people. And I think his wife's father was, uh, he's not to have, he flew young women to his island under the guys of them being models. And then paid them to do untoward things. With him, by the way.

Yes. There's not a lot of evidence that. So, so my question is, I. What about the victims? They've literally spoken out about it. That they were trafficked to other people? Yes. So, right. And my question is, what is the evidence? Again, I'm not saying there isn't, that he filmed this and then used it to blackmail these individuals to make money or to control them

or something like that. When it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, shouldn't be investigated? I asked you a question. I'm not asking you, I'm not telling you to convict someone. I'm telling you that I want an investigation and I want transparency. I don't. I'm not saying that we can convict it. I think Epstein was hiring a bunch of young girls, tricking them to come to the island, asking him to be models, all of that stuff. He was convicted of that.

There was a conspiracy theory that he was blackmailing powerful world leaders to control them. Now, that's a theory that's interesting and may be, but what's the evidence for that claim? Do you believe it? Do you believe it, Tim, personally? You don't think it's evidence. I don't not believe it or believe it. I know it's an idea that may or may not have happened. I'm asking the people who do believe it to say,

inform me as I am unfamiliar with the hard evidence that he was blackmailing. Again, the only thing I think we've seen so far is an email to Bill Gates where he said, you owe me $30 million. And then he said, remember when I gave you antibiotics to give to your wife that you snuck into her drink because two Russian hookers gave you an STD. We have the statements of the victims. The victims, I don't believe the victims stated that Epstein used video footage from them to blackmail princes and world leaders and politicians or anything like that.

Virginia Guthrie literally said that she was, forced to sleep with the prince and whoever else. But she also rescinded many of her allegations. But, but, and again, that may be, I'm not asking, we know that he did that. The question is, what's the evidence that he filmed it, then went to the prince and said, I have filmed you doing this with underage girls. I'm going to use it against you unless you give me access to things. Why do you think he, why would he set up the prince to, to, what else?

I mean, he's getting something out of doing this. Excellent question. I mean, to me, he's not. Questions or not evidence. Well, we do have circumstantial evidence. Which is? He did it. Did what?

He did set this up. He did facilitate these sexual liaisons with at least some powerful people. Agreed. And what's the evidence that he then went to them after the fact and said, I have filmed you doing this. You now work for me or I'll release it. Well, why would he do it? It's a great question. That's a great question.

That he could go to jail for. Maybe they were paying. If he got nothing out of it. Maybe they paid him. Maybe Bill Gates went to him and said, I'll give you $100, $100 for a hundred-raged hooker. Okay, so let's say that he was just a high-class pimp. I would still like to know that. Agreed. My issue is when the assertion is that he was blackmailing powerful world leaders, and we know that to be the case. And I'm not saying it's not the case. I'm just saying, I'd like to see some evidence. I'll give you that we can't prove because we haven't seen the documents

or the other three and a half million pages that they're hiding or the other stuff that they're hiding, that he was doing that. Would you be investigating the wrong thing because you don't know? Well, of course I could, but if we get transparency. That's the problem I have with people who are asserting something. This is the issue I was had with 9-11 truthers. It would come to me and they would say,

did you know that a professor found thermite residue in the base of the World Trade Center after the fact? I'd be like, thermite. And they're like, yep, and I'd be like, well, that's weird. So what does that mean? And then they would go, Bush did it. And I would say, okay, hold on. you just went from here all the way over there. And they're like, did you know that it wasn't a plane

that crashed into the Pentagon? And I'm like, really, what wasn't? They go, it was a cruise missile. Say, wow, who did it? Bush did it. I said, okay, now hold on there a gosh darn minute. If you want to come to me and say it's strange that the plane that crashed into the Pentagon seemingly vaporized itself and the jet engines are gone, I'm going to be like, that's an interesting point. Now, from there, where do we go? We are lacking information. Something's not being told to us. So I have no issue with Luke Rukkowski is a great example where he just says we want a proper investigation into these questions to say that's a great point. But then you had people who would say it was an inside job implying that the Bush administration was involved in it occurring, which is a massively different thing than the official story is not correct. With PizzaGate, we see something similar.

You get these emails leaked by WikiLeaks, which are questionable. And instantly on 4chan for some reason, everyone just. starts making things up. And they claim that pizza means boy and pasta means girl, fabricated out of thin air. And I say, well, hold on. These people are weirdos. They're doing something strange. These emails are coded. But if you start with the evidence and then just jump to the other side of the room, we're not actually investigating what may be going on. I think, for instance, one of the emails released by WikiLeaks where they say, is it more fun to play dominoes on pizza or on pasta, about doing drugs.

I think they were emailing being like, hey, when you're in an orgy, would you rather be on, you know, Coke or MDMA? I think they were coding it because they were sending emails to each other's accounts and they didn't want to overtly say it.

There's also the email where they were like, I found a handkerchief with a map on it. And it's like, yeah, clearly these are coded in some way. Unless there's literally like a handkerchief that just looked like a treasure map and were misconstruing this. But instead of asking, what could these things mean

and connecting the emails trying to figure it out, everybody immediately said there's a pizza place where they're hiding kids in the basement. Turns out there was no basement. A guy showed up, fired a bullet into the ground. And it was like, now you're done screwed up. My concern with the Epstein stuff is that the people who are adamant, they know exactly what he was doing, are hurting the potential investigation and decentralized investigation into what he could have been doing by claiming and asserting he was part of a blackmail operation. He was doing it. So how do you feel if I stayed it this way?

I think that the reason that the Epstein files are absolutely essential that we deal with is because there is a reasonable possibility, not that we can prove, but a reasonable possibility that if Epstein was running this child rape ring for a long time, that he was using it to blackmail rich and powerful people. And that if that's the case, that could explain a lot of the corruption that's occurring in this country. It could explain a lot of what's happening. and by opening up a full transparent investigation into this, wherever it goes, what that would allow us to do was to restore certain trust and allow us to ensure that, you know, there's a little bit more faith in the institution.

I disagree. I think when you decide the conclusion before the investigation and then your investigation does not reach that conclusion, you will lose all the trust. I don't know. I follow that. I tell you what. If you say that Epstein did this and then we say we're spending, Trump gets in, it goes $100 million and they find nothing. What's going to happen? People are going to say, we elected you to solve this problem and you didn't do it. And then what happens when the people are like, we don't know that Epstein did this? What if they find something else? What if he was an arms dealer?

What if his actual, the reason his money was coming through is that he was smuggling weapons to various factions and rebel groups? What if Epstein was actually arming rebel factions so they could blame it on foreign countries as a cast his belly for the U.S. to go and engage in war, or Israel for that matter. And then you go in and say, oh, let me put this way. Let's go to the extreme end. What if Jeffrey Epstein gets in contact with Mossad through Gilane Maxwell, whose dad, of course, was an honorable Israeli citizen and is believed to work for Moss. And they say, we need you to send weapons to Hamas and Hezbollah so they'll attack us and we can use it as a Cassius belly to bomb them and wipe them out. And Epstein's like, let's go. And then someone else comes along and says, actually Epstein was, uh,

blackmailing politicians. So the people go to Donald Trump and say, we want you to investigate Epstein blackmailing politicians over child rape. Trump says, okay, goes in and there's nothing there. And he says, there's nothing here. What do we do? And then the people who voted for him say, Trump's not giving us what we asked for. What if Epstein was actually just setting up rebels that Israel could justify its expansion of greater Israel? Now, again, I don't believe that's the case. I'm using one more extreme conspiracy theory that it's entirely plausible. And I could say, well, if that were the case because he is believed to have been working for Mossad and Maxwell's dad did too, then we should investigate that. But no one's asking that question. That's the problem

I have with drawing the conclusion before the investigation begins, because now people want Trump to produce evidence that may not exist because they've already decided it did happen. It doesn't really matter what the reason. Then you can't ask for an investigation into a blackmail ring over child rape. Okay, I want an investigation into a child abuse. ring about that. What I want is transparency. I want them to follow the law that they passed and that the president signed that said that they're going to release everything that they can with a few handy exceptions, which would include a lot more than half of the pages. What if it turns out that

Epstein was an arms liaison for powerful interests for the United States to engage in foreign wars? They would provide, removing Israel from the picture. They would provide enemies of the U.S. with weapons as Patsy's so that, say, the Houthi rebels would attack things that Trump could then justify and say, okay, now we can go in and say they attacked us. We can, like basically setting up false flag attacks. What if the reason they won't release this stuff is that Epstein was actually more of an intel military asset for global affairs and war? And the reason not releasing this is because it would disrupt U.S. foreign policy plans. Well, wait a second. So you're suggesting that somehow, what if the reason was the reason that he was running a child trafficking rate?

No, I'm saying you keep saying that. We know that Epstein hired underage girls under the guise of being models and masseuses and then paid them for sex for himself. Which is what he was investigated for. For himself. Right. You are now continually saying he was doing it for everyone else. No.

His victims are saying that. Members of Congress who've looked at the files have said that. Now, I will give you, Nancy Mace has said a number of times, you know, that there's names. I would love her to name names. And I would love some of these guys to come out names. So we've had a number of people that have all agreed that this is happening. Not the blackmail that you keep bringing up. Well, what would, what else would they be doing this for? That's a great question, but that doesn't provide evidence. That's not, it should not be the starting point. It provides an, it provides a reason for the American people to say, hey, we have a right to know what's going on with this guy.

Epstein was arming Israel's enemies at the behest of Israel so they could stage fake wars. Is that not better reason? I can make up more reasons that make more sense. So you think that the results of the investigations into the allegations about child sex trafficking were that we found out that he was running guns. I'm saying that if you are told to search a house for a weapon and the guy says it's for sure in the basement, we have to go to the basement and you don't go upstairs because you're damn sure it's in the basement. You'll come out of the basement with nothing and then everyone outside screaming at you, why didn't you find the weapons that are in the basement? Well, I would agree that We should investigate this with a totally open mind, but we need transparency in this issue.

So my only issue, the point I'm bringing up is, all I asked was what was the evidence that he was running a blackmail operation? I'm not saying he didn't. I'm just not familiar with it. The evidence, okay, I'll restate it. I believe that that's what he was doing. But I think the evidence does show that he was running, he was trafficking children for sex. Yes. Okay.

For himself. Absolutely not. The victims and. members of Congress has said that's not the case. That's fine. He was arrested, convicted. The names of the individuals that were engaging in these activities with these underage girls, they should all go to prison, all of that. But they are. We know he was doing that. Agreed. We agree on that point. The only point of contention I had was the blackmail portion, which I'm not familiar with evidence on that. I'll give you,

I will give you that I don't have the evidence to prove you as blackmailing. What I do have evidence to prove it, I'm just saying, why do you think that's the case? Because, listen, when you go, if you're a police officer and you're going to, you get, you get a, you get a, you get a, you get a, you get a, you get a, you get a, you get a, you get a, you get a, you get a reason to investigate someone. You investigate them, right? So, when you have a guy. Like, the same thing happened. We had this other woman on. Is that. It's that it absol. And I'm, I'm going to say it like this. The, the, the principal issue I take with these constant claims, like the same thing happened. We had this other woman on is that it absolve. Is that it absolve to a certain degree the responsibility of the people that are being accused. Instead of saying that powerful individuals were using Epstein as a pimp for underage girls, you're saying he tricked them into doing it to blackmail them. No, I don't. I absolutely agree. I want those powerful individuals in jail. That's the reason I want the investigation. The conspiracy theory on the blackmail was that he would go on the Lulid Express and invite powerful people on the plane. He would introduce

these guys to like 16, 17-year-old girls and say, they, they're going to, They're going to hook up with you. Afterwards, he would say, I filmed you, and they're underage and I own you now. There's no strong evidence that is actually how it played out, but that is the theory that people think he was doing. One of the issues I take with that is that it means that insert powerful billionaire, he was duped into doing it. Instead of these powerful billionaires hired Epstein to facilitate this, and they went to his

island where there was no jurisdiction to stop him. I agree with no law enforcement. 100%. And that that's the case. that's all the more reason that I want the transparency in this. It's all the more reason. But let's tie this into what we were talking about before, because I think this is really important.

You know, we're talking about why are we in Iran? We're talking about why are we doing this? Why are we doing that? And the problem that I have, because we both want to avoid having a Democrat majority anywhere, ever, right? We all agree that that's the worst case scenario for everything. The problem is that we the people, are very frustrated. The midterms look terrible right now. And why? It's because we don't have trust.

Because when we lie on issue after issue after issue, maybe you're right about everything in Iran. Maybe this is, you know, this complex plan, and maybe he's got it all right. And I will give you that every point that you made in terms of the oil, and that's all correct. So maybe you're right about that. But here's the problem. We don't know when to trust. And he's broken trust because he came in for accountability. Again, that's why I say, I don't care if there's a plan or not. The things we are seeing in this war are fact data points. So again, Trump accidentally did it or he did it on purpose. I don't care which one you pick. It's happening. But people aren't going to come out in the midterms for someone that is lying about everything. They aren't going to come out in the midterms for someone

that they feel is not getting the job done. And I think- They're not going to come out in the midterms. And that's what I care about because we're going to have a Democrat majority. We're going to get impeachment. And maybe he's playing 15D test, but if he gets impeached, he ain't going to play anything. And maybe he resigned himself to that reality already. So he's maximizing all of his foreign policy efforts now. I'm praying. I am praying that Donald Trump is successful for the sake of our children. I think there's a decent probability that Donald Trump, we talked about this a couple weeks ago, knows that it's a foregone conclusion at the midterms. And so the reason why we're seeing Venezuela, Cuba, Iran, China, all this stuff now is because he's like, okay, boy,

we've got seven months to pull it off after the midterms were cooked so let's go out with a bang he's going to jam through as much as he can to prop up the united states and then hope the next two years where he's jammed up and can't do anything we will be able to set up a new republican who would come in and then carry on and continue the plans that he's that not just him but his administration has made and what if what if the other side let's because we're talking a lot about Trump's strategy. And Trump, you know, but maybe he's brilliant, maybe he's not. We don't know what he's doing, right? But to say, remember, for any 4D5D60 chess he's got, the other side is trying to counter him, right? So maybe with all these things you're doing, you know, are they setting him up to look

bad, to look worse, to look this so that they can undo it? I personally think, I personally think there's a huge, huge movement to try and destroy. I think yes, yes, yes, but you can't undo it. mega, the division is intentional. If Trump chokes out China for four months, that's not being undone. Every day China's without oil, they're in serious trouble. They've already had a financial crisis for a long time. If Trump gets impeach, if Trump gets impeached in let's say that we're seven months. It would only be in the House. They wouldn't, they're not going to lose the Senate. No, they're going to lose the Senate, but they need 60 votes in the Senate. Okay. Yeah, they're not even going to have a majority in the Senate. They're projected to have the majority in the Senate, yes.

They need four to take four seats? Yes, they're projected to take. To lose four seats? That was, I just pulled up the Cook political report showing that they're all shifting Democrat. I think that tweet explicitly said like, it's only going to be one to three. And it would take... The prediction markets have Democrats sweep. So maybe I'm wrong, but the prediction.

You guys had my buddy Seth Kestrel here a few while back, right? Yeah. So Seth, Seth is probably the most accurate election guy on the planet. He thinks that we're going to hold the Senate. Yeah, fair point. 270 to win does. The prediction markets have it for Democrats. I agree.

I agree with the prediction markets. I'm going to go out and I'm going to say this and listen and Seth is going to give me a hard time because we're buddies and I mean the guy is about as accurate on elections as can be I'm going to go out and just say that I disagree with him unless Trump pulls off some real magic between now and the election he's going to have to do something massive or I think we I think the Democrats sweep I disagree about having to do something massive I think the only thing he needs to do is end the war in Iran and people need to see gas prices return to what they're what they're used to. And I think that that will say, I'm only saying that will save the Senate. I don't think the Republicans can win the House unless, yeah, I don't think the Republicans can win the House at all, unless the, unless the economy is going gangbusters. If there's a massive increase in economic activity here because of what happened in Iran, right, because of, because of what we're talking about with China. There's a big boom in the U.S. and people start making money in the next six months, then I think the Republicans can't. not will can it still comes down to the people that are running it depends on the campaigns that they run if they if the u.s doesn't have a big boom economically the republicans cannot the only way

they possibly can is if there's a big boom what about election fraud i i haven't yeah if i if uh if uh... trumps executive order already on the postal service on the post service a postal uh... service that they can't transport mail-in ballots for ineligible people that the The game may be changed right now. And the question is, will Trump deploy ICE and DHS into key swing areas to inhibit any potential illegal, you know, illegal voting activity or things like that? It's all going to play a big role. And we've got to see how it plays out. But I guess the question is, is Trump ready to go to actual war, like political warfare?

Yeah. Meaning the use of law enforcement for control of elections and things like that. Well? we'll see. And Tim, my follow-up to that is going to be this. We all hope that Trump is the guy that we fought for, and we all hope that he's playing 16 DHS, but we've got a lot of lies.

I really trust the deployment of troops in a federal election. I have to trust that sort of a thing. And I've got to be honest. When I'm being lied to about so many things, when I'm seeing a lack of accountability for any of these bad people that are doing, why aren't we putting some of these guys in jail right now? instead of wait until this last minute, which could turn into an absolute, warn us.

What if they don't actually have enough evidence? Because we, I think we agree that to indict someone and fail at putting them in jail is worse than not indicted them. What if they just don't have enough, not saying that they are good people or that they didn't break the law, but what if they don't have enough evidence that the people that have made, that have made accusations are not credible enough or they don't think are credible enough to a jury where they feel like they're going to actually put people in jail because that's something that people don't talk about, right? People always say, we need to put these people in jail. We need to put these people in jail.

As if just saying, you should go to jail, you should go to jail, you should go to jail, as if it's an authoritarian country where you can just say, well, you're accused, you're accused, and we think that there's a preponderance of evidence, so we're just going to put you in jail. That's not how our government works. That's not how the DOJ works. If they don't believe they have the evidence to convince a jury, they're not going to indict. What if the situation is they just don't think they have the evidence? So I would agree with you.

You're a lawyer. I am a lawyer. And maybe I'm not a very good one. But you know this, you know better than me. I mean, I'm just the guy that yells at a stick, you know? But fair enough, right? Fair enough. But here's the problem.

I watch Pam Bondi throw the Comey case and the Letitia James case. And I'm going to tell you that it is my opinion as an attorney. she threw those cases intentionally. She, the black letter of the law, this wasn't an activist judge. This was the black letter of the law was very clear that Halligan, who may be a great attorney, I have not ripping her at all, she may be amazing. She did not have the authority to appoint Halligan into that position. She took the most important case in our country and gave it to someone who it was very clear,

does not have the authority to prosecute it. That isn't a mistake that someone who's been a state AG and then as a U.S. Attorney General, that's not the kind of mistake they make. That, to me, was 100% intentional, just like letting Marine Comey, of all people, get involved with the Diddy case. And by the way, there's a friend of mine,

his name's Mike. He's a podcaster, also a smaller, I guess, great guy. He went to high school in Palm Beach. Beach when Epstein was doing this. It was common knowledge that they were recruiting from that high school. It was common knowledge. We got to go to Super Chess and Rumble Rans because we keep getting pushed back.

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Let's see what you guys got to say. H.S. Disturbs, says Tim, British propaganda called our revolution a Presbyterian revolt. You tried Catholic, perhaps reformed theology is worth a try. My mom gave me a cross to hang over my entrance today. Yeah, it's a very special one. What is it? Are your ad campaigns lighting up the dashboard, but not the pipeline? That's bullspend, and marketers are calling it out in.

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What you guys do? I don't, in front of your... Like crucifix? Just like a regular... Just around? Yeah. You don't have... An addicting cross or something like that?

Very special one. Thank you, Mom. We'll have to wipe off the red that we put over the doorway or whatever. Is that what you guys do? Yeah, well, very Passover. Yeah, but I don't consider myself a Christian. We were just having a conversation the other day about, I was talking to my wife about whether or not we need to start going back to church.

We're lapsed Catholics. And I still don't consider myself a Christian, but every single Christian has been like, just come anyway. And so we've talked about the importance of community. and discussions of just faith and theology with our daughter as it is, but also the importance of being around good, trustworthy people. Because, to be honest, when, you know, the story that tells I went to meet up with Seamus after he went to a Latin Mass, and everyone there is as prim and as proper, you know,

traditional, respectful, good moral values, all that stuff. And that's the kind of people that you want to be around. The main reason I think we didn't do it is I just said, I don't want to be fake. I don't want to impose myself on people who are going to worship when we don't share those beliefs necessarily. I do believe in God, but the response from literally 100% of people is come anyway. They don't care whether... Well, they really want to convert, like, not convert you.

Of course. No, yeah, but, you know, the idea is like, if you come, maybe you will start to believe or something. But for us, it's more so about being around people that we believe are good, honest, trust, you know, trustworthy and things like that. And having, you know, our daughter grow up around people that we think are good and trustworthy. And I also think that there's value in learning the stories that are taught in the Bible as well, whether you truly believe in the, you know, afterlife and resurrection.

The general moral structure, I think, is a good thing. But let's read some more. Swanston says, I know there's conservative saying Trump betrayed you. If the left gets in power again, illegals come back. J6 will look like child's play if the left get full unfettered power. Go vote. Swanson says, is it fair to say Candace is part of the Marxist right? again, people go out and vote. Literally America depends on y'all getting out there and voting.

America will not and cannot fall to the left. I mean, I am proud to say that our member of Congress is Riley Moore. If you guys know Riley, he's fantastic. And he's a friend and he skates and he did a kickflip too faky on the bank here. And there are some other members of Congress who claim to be skateboarders. But the only other member of Congress I will give credit to is Tim Burchett. He's more of an old school guy. He rides cruiser boards, but he makes skateboards. That counts. But Riley, let me tell you about Riley Moore. He showed up here to skate. And he's an old man, what is he like, 43 or something? And, uh, right. So he comes in and I'm thinking like, like, remember when Beto said he could skateboard?

And then he jumped on. Trust me, every single skateboarder saw Beto getting that board and knew he was lying. He could stand on a board. Sure, I'll give him that. But he did not know how to ride the board properly. And so Riley comes in and throws his board down. And immediately, at first I'm thinking like, I'm sure he skates. You know what I mean?

Like, come on. I skate. But then he throws his board down and jumps on it. And I was like, oh, okay, he actually knows how to jump on his board. And then he just, without warming up, did a half-cab nose slide on the box. You probably just have no idea what I said. It's not the hardest of moves. I would describe it as an intermediate move.

So when you're a kid, there's a trick called a nose slide. And it's where you jump off the board, turn it sideways, land with the nose of the board on the edge of a rail or ledge on slide. A nose-slide. A half-cab nose slide would be you ride backwards, jump sideways. backwards and to your right and land on the ledge and go forward. Slightly more advanced, but not

too much more advanced. It's more like intermediate. Maybe after you get your basics down, you might learn that trick. But doing it as a 40-something-year-old man who did not warm up, I immediately was like Riley used to be really good when he was younger. Like you can tell, like we're old men, I'm 40,

and so I still got some moves. You know, I skate decently well. Not like I did when I was 19. But you know, when Riley shows up and he does a trick, like that, I was like, wow, he must have been pretty dang good at skateboarding when he was like 19, 20 years old. Now he's a dad. He doesn't really skate that often. But he'd a ledge like that at 40-something without warming up is, I'm impressed, you know? That guy can skate. Shout out Representative Moore. Right. So I'm, you know, we're doing all right in West Virginia. That's pretty cool. Yeah,

West Virginia's not perfect, you know, but Morrissey is an amazing governor. I think he does a great job. And, you know, the thing about Morrissey is that he, he, He was the candidate we were hoping was going to win because everybody knows him out here. And he's just like, he's a right populist guy. He'll talk to you. He doesn't come up. He's not one of these ultra elites. And so we kind of weren't sure he was going to actually win.

And then he did. And we were very excited because it feels like the people won. You know, same thing with Riley. Very, very happy with West Virginia. All right, let's go. We got this from Ricada Law for President. He says, if you don't trust the government, why would you trust their investigation then? The FBI and J6, DOJ for numerous things,

but you'll trust that investigation of foreign involvement with Charlie LMAO. All fair point, I guess. Right? If we don't trust Trump. I don't trust any of them on anything. What I'm hoping for is what is transparency. Transparency. Same old man says, Tim, that Chinese tanker came from the UAE,

not from Iran. Well, that's interesting then that they got turned around because Trump said he was going to blockade the straight. Trump supporters came out and said, No, no, no, no, no. He's blocking the Iranian ports. Trump said on truth social he was blocking the straight. I think he's blocking the straight. I think Trump is choking out China.

I think that's what he's doing. I don't even know if it's Trump. I think it's people around him. I think a quick point on that. I saw on Monday that there was a Chinese tanker that did go through. It's a fascinating game of chicken, though, because in order to actually enforce a blockade, you'd have to embark on the Chinese tanker. and that would be a gigantic escalation, obviously, and something that the president would have to consider

before actually moving forward and doing. And who knows if he would actually want to move forward with that, given that in one month he's supposed to be visiting China and having a face-to-face meeting with Xi. So it's an interesting game of chicken, right? Like, was the U.S. military really going to board this Chinese tanker and enforce this blockade? Well, we didn't have to find out.

Yeah. I think Trump is not material to the greater conversation of what the U.S. has been doing, and he only serves as an avatar for people. You know, people often talk about that politics in this country is wedge issues that people bicker about. And in actuality, the machine just does what the machine does, you know. I think, I wonder if Trump got the message when they threatened to put him in prison and said,

you win. So here, the theory was when Trump first got elected in 2016, he had a meeting with a bunch of elites. I was outside the building when this happened. It was a big deal. We were in D.C. And Trump was going in for a meeting with prominent Republicans after he had. had won the primary. And the scuttlebutt from the journalists that worked in politics was that Trump was not supposed to win. They're surprised he won. And now we have to go and meet with the

leadership and they're going to lay out the game plan for him. And Trump went in there and they said, here's what we're doing and why. And Trump went, nope, I'm not doing any of that. You're going to do what I want. I'm in charge. And they said, you don't understand this is how it works. And Trump said, you don't understand this is how it works. So they impeached him. They did all these. nasty things to him. They tried to take his business from him. And as the theory goes, he got the message. And so now he's back in and he's pals with Lindsey Graham. And he's going to war. They said, we're going to destroy your life. We're going to raid your home. So why are we not getting any accountability? Because Trump got the message. Why are we getting these foreign wars and

this foreign policy? Because Trump got the message. And the thing is, is we don't have proof either way. Well, it's not something that's provable one way or another, right? Well, there's not proof that he's playing 5D chess and there's not proof that he's, and there's no proof that he's being controlled. And there's no proof on either side. Hold on. The situation that we talked about regarding China, like, there's a lot of evidence. Everything that you talked about is factually correct, right? But we have no evidence. In fact, we have counter evidence. The president himself has never talked about that being a factor. He's talked about, you know, he's going in there to stop nuclear weapons and to stop this and stuff.

Well, but wait, wait, wait, now you can't tell me that I have to prove Epstein to you, but you don't have to prove his words to me, right? No, this is entirely in line with exactly what I'm saying. Words don't mean that much. What is the evidence? What is Trump's evidence that there was nuclear weapons, things he's said? What is the evidence that Epstein was blackmailing powerful petitions? Things people have said. So when Trump says, we're going in for nuclear weapons, I say, sure, buddy.

When people say, I say, sure, buddy. That, that, that, it's, see, I don't, I don't, I, I do not believe it is conducive to success to, to live your life based on a simple linear perspective on how things are going to be. What I mean by that is, when I'm assessing whether something is true or false, it's in probabilities. Trump says we're going in for nuclear weapons. I think considering all the facts, it's like 17% like. likelihood. I think that there's a lot of, there's higher probabilities in other areas. And so as we get closer to trying to figuring out what these things are, we don't just say, well, there's five variables.

I've decided this one is 100%. I say there are five variables and here's how I weigh each of them against each other. There are some people who believe we went to Iran to free the people who are being oppressed by the Iranian government and massacred, which I put it like a 0.1%. Like very unlikely, that's the case. Because we'd be invading in Sudan, we'd be invading Sudan and Eritrea. We'd have taken over. We got to grab a couple more. I don't want to leave people hanging. We'll just try and get a couple more in here.

All right. Antipathy says, can't wait to see Tim around midterms blaming Jew hatred for Republicans losing and not for the Kirk investigation or Trump replacing Maga with Zionism. I don't believe that Jew hatred is going to cost Republicans the election. I just think people are stupid.

Candice Owen supporters think the earth is flat. I appreciate the sentiment, but you've got to stop spamming the chat, brother. Yeah, Candace I once think the world is flat. You saw that video of her? No. Well, she said, I'm not a flat earth or around Earth, or I'm nothing. I'm not in the cult of science.

Something like that. I want to go on record and tell you that I believe the Earth is round. Yeah. Well, the Earth is... Here's a thing. The Earth is round, and the ice wall surrounds the inner Earth from the greater Earth, where Atlantis and Tartaria control the seven continents because we're actually slaves lock them. Are there lizard people? No. Okay. The greater Earth conspiracy theory is that the Earth is round and the seven continents are

blocked off by an ice wall. Okay. And that we do slave labor for Atlantis and Tartaria that exists on a massive earth. That's like a thing people believe. Yeah. Yeah. There are sea peoples as well. Yep. What are you? Like, mermaid? It's a story of where was it in like the Caucasus region? The sea people came and no one knows where they came from or something like that. I don't know. Mermaids are hot. We're going to go to the uncensored portion of the show. So smash the like button.

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but yeah man i think we're going to try and come out and see one of your shows at at some point um dude tom thanks for coming on a lot and uh yeah follow me at carder banks everywhere uh tim we'll see you all over at rumble dot com slash timcast i rl right now thanks for hanging out