Timcast IRL - FBI & GOP EXPOSE "Coup" Against TRUMP, Democrat Operative FELONIES Covered Up w/ Tony Kinnett

Episode Date: May 29, 2025

Tim, Phil, & Ian are joined by Tony Kinnett to discuss the FBI & GOP exposing a "coup" against Trump, Kash Patel promising a wave of transparency from the FBI, ex FBI Director James Comey slamming the Trump DOJ for reopening investigations, & Dan Bongino says the FBI is investigating the cover-up of the origin of Covid-19.   Hosts:  Tim @Timcast (everywhere) Phil @PhilThatRemains (X) Ian @IanCrossland (everywhere) Serge @SergeDotCom (everywhere) Guest: Tony Kinnett @TheTonus (X)

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Kash Patel at the FBI released the crossfire hurricane documents to the GOP, but this is a large trove of documents. Now, what is that? Oh boy, this is a complicated story. For those that are not familiar, this was the operation by the DOJ against Donald Trump, what I would effectively call with air quotes a coup. And we were having a discussion as we launched the show. How do we describe what these operatives did, both from the Republican side and Democrat side together to hamstring the Trump administration, to take away his ability to be president, to stifle anything he tried to do.

We all kind of look at each other. It's like it's not really a coup. They didn't take over, but they kind of did. So we were like coup in quotes. Maybe some people might want to call it a hard coup. But in 2016, Donald Trump was accused of being a Russian spy. Fake information was disseminated. He was then investigated for years because Democrats could not accept Hillary Clinton lost. Well, now we have new information coming out from declassified documents proving that in 2019, the FBI had evidence that one of the operatives involved in the hoax was lying to Congress, the DOJ and the FBI. And they covered it up. There was no prosecution just sort of went away. But hold on. This is under Bill Barr. This is Donald Trump's

DOJ. How did this not get exposed that one of the individuals involved in bringing together all of this fake news, this fake information, which is used to destroy or to hinder, I should say, Trump's first term. How is this person not charged for what appears to be multiple felonies? And this now coming from Chuck Grassley's office. It was only after Kash Patel got in that he released these documents. And in an interview with Brett Baier on Fox News, he says he found documents he didn't even know existed. And there are in places they thought he'd never look it looks like it's starting and i hope that's the case that we're going to see the fbi and the doj go after the corruption not just from democrats but this is also republicans covering up what these operatives were doing to make sure donald trump would not be able to do his job as

president now some might call that seditious conspiracy, perhaps a bit long winded, but maybe that's the best way to describe it. The challenge we have for you today with this story, especially as we're going through the headlines, is there is so much information to break down. Going back almost 10 years to understand how operatives, foreign intelligence assets, individuals on both parties were colluding to make sure Donald Trump could not have a first term. This is a tough story, but we're going to get through it. So smash that like button, share the show. Before we get started, we do have some great sponsors. First up, we got Bearskin, my friends. You know, Bearskin. I was wearing that

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Right on. Well, thanks for hanging out. Should be fun. Ian's here. Hi, Tim. Thanks for having me. I brought my guitar. I was jamming so hard before we went live. Can we just calm down for a minute? It was intense. Hi, everybody. I'm happy to be back. Ian Crossland in the house. I was down in Miami for a few weeks, spending time with Luke Rutkowski.

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I'm an anti-communist and counter-revolutionary. Let's go. Here's the story from the New York Post. Holy crap, it's starting, my friends. Nellie Orr, Justice Department official's wife, perjured herself with demonstrably false Trump-Russia testimony bombshell FBI records. I just want to say right off the bat, the New York Post is leading with this as a as a demonstrably true statement. OK, there's I mean, this is a headline where they're opening themselves up to liability for for pointing this out. But they're saying, hey, don't look at me. FBI records are pointing this out. This is in the news now as a fact. OK, the person who compiled

smears and lies against Donald Trump, which which which basically ramped up the Russia hoax, which was used to stop Donald Trump, even a component is impeachment. This person was lying, according to these documents. The wife of former DOJ official gave demonstrably false testimony to Congress about her involvement in drafting and disseminating since since debunked dossiers about Trump's purported collusion with Russia in 2016, according to a bombshell trove of internal FBI records released by Senator Chuck Grassley.

Nellie Orr worked at the research firm Fusion GPS when it was hired in the lead to the 2016 election to dig up dirt on the Trump campaign's alleged links to the Russian to Russian organized crime, but later told the House panel she did not know about the DOJ's panel investigation into the matter. Now, I want to jump straight to Chuck Grassley, Grassley. Senate.gov. Newly declassified FBI documents proves Fusion GPS contractor Nellie Orr lied to Congress about contributions to Crossfire Hurricane. Quote, By lying to Congress, Nellie Orr lied to Congress about contributions to Crossfire Hurricane. Quote, by lying to Congress, Nellie Orr showed contempt for congressional oversight in the American people. What's more, the FBI and DOJ's failure to hold Orr accountable for appearing to commit multiple felonies and its obstructive conduct against agents that sought additional

information reveals the agency's deeply disturbing political bias or never suffered consequences for advancing the phony Trump Russia narrative and attempting to cover up her involvement in the hoax. Yet time and again, the American justice system has been weaponized against President Trump and his associates with reckless abandon. The DOJ's inaction on Nellie Orr's criminal referral, despite the obviously incriminating evidence provided in the FBI's own analysis, undermines public trust in the rule of law. I applaud Director Patel, Attorney General Bondi and Deputy Attorney General Blanche for cooperating with my request to declassify this information, which is in the public's interest, and chart a new course for transparency and accountability at the FBI and DOJ. Here's a challenge for the American people right now. We are talking about 10 years ago when this is all kicking off. Between nine and 10 years ago, depending on how, you know, reductive you want to get. There are many young people we've had on this show who were not

politically active nor paying attention when this was going down. And they only know Trump for who he is today, not what was done to conspire against him. I would say soft coup. They didn't take over the government necessarily. They didn't go in with guns and remove Trump from office, but they did try to impeach him. They used this as evidence of his illicit activities, claiming that the Ukraine impeachment was motivated by his ties to Russia. They perpetuated this for years. And their goal, I would argue, is easily defined as sedition. And who is they? Democrats, Republicans and members of our own intelligence agencies.

I mean, establishment figures all around. Please go ahead. No, it's just really ironic that right now you have an entire class of individuals, those on the media and the Democratic left, who are losing their minds over these individuals being fired in the bureaucratic administration, who did exactly what Trump said that they had did, that they spent his entire first administration blocking every action that he did, hamstringing every single thing that his administration brought forward. And for what? Just to make up some kind of phony story

about Russian dancers in urine to suggest that Trump was somehow in with the Russian mob because they didn't like that Trump might come in and wreck the gravy train. It was all true the entire time. I think that's worth pointing to. I think the average person, when they hear about the Russia story, there's so many people that have talked about Trump's involvement with Russia.

They lose sight of the fact that it was actually the accusation was that Trump was involved with the Russian mafia, not that Trump was actually working for Russia, for the government of Russia. And that's one of the things that, to be honest with you, I hadn't been cognizant of until I was reading through the post on Chuck Grassley's site, is the fact that it was alleged that he had a connection to the Russian mafia, not that he was an agent of Putin. And now it's transformed into the most ridiculous sense. People were saying that he was a KGB agent back in the 80s. Yeah, he was a sleeper. Yeah. You know, he had a code name, which is completely obviously completely ridiculous but it points to how these these these stories got blown completely out of proportion that went from literally nothing you know fabricated by by an oppo research uh company um and turned into he's a russian agent and it's actually stuck on the left the left

genuinely believes that he is or has some kind of connection to the russian government and what is it in the in the 90s one of his companies did a deal with some russian you know landowner that to make a hotel somewhere it turned out that guy's brother was in the russian mob is that like the connection that they're talking no this is the crossfire hurricane and the stuff this uh the steel dossier that was totally fabricated like there was they suggested that like somehow the russian mafia had gotten some blackmail on trump with some secret tapes and that there was this kind of... P-tapes, remember? Yeah, that kind of nonsense. But the craziness of that is not the point.

The point is that they used this to completely freeze and hamstring every single law enforcement agency in this country. We don't even know what reports or referrals made it to whom. That shouldn't be happening. This isn't 1925 where you hand that kid a folder and run this down to the chief. No, you send the referral directly. Who knew what? It got intercepted, didn't it?

I mean, that's on the table. Or Bill Barr saw it and just was like, let's just pretend that doesn't exist. I wouldn't be surprised if Bill Barr was like, I wonder if I'm going to be generous. His attitude was, wow, this is really bad, but let's de-escalate things and just put a stop to it now. Like, let's not get too hasty kind of a thing? Well, no, more like a, you know, these people should go to jail because what they did is very criminal.

However, that could lead to escalation politically and destabilization. So let's just stop where we are. He seemed like the kind of guy who's going to be like, now, now, there, guys, like most Republicans. Right. The traditional Republicans being like, slow down there, Democrats. Bill Barr sees and he goes, oof, you know, that's a lot of work to deal with. And it's going to create a historical political firestorm. So let's just everybody will call it a bad hair day, go about our business.

I think that's plausible. Bill Barr was like, I don't want to do this because it's hard. It's big. And then it starts implicating anybody that's perjured themselves, which is like James Clapper, saying that he didn't know. All of them. Christopher Wray, especially. I mean, we already have Christopher Wray on the record for lying over how and when he met with Joe Biden. And take a look at how the Supreme Court handles these epic cases.

And I mean, epic as in like grandiose historical moments. Texas v. Pennsylvania in the 2020 election. What does the Supreme Court say? But I don't want to. So they say, no, it is the it is the obligation of the Supreme Court to handle lawsuits at the state level in what's called original jurisdiction. Now, that's my opinion. I'm not a legal scholar. I'm sure there'll be legal scholars saying, Tim Pool's wrong. Supreme Court can take what they want. It's going to be a great Newsweek article. Indeed. My point is, who do the states go to for adjudication in affairs if the Supreme Court says no? And this is and this is my point, not to rehash all these old stories, but in the 2020 election

case, questioning the validity of how judges and governors changed election rules in violation of I believe it's Article one of the Constitution or Article Article one, I think in violation of the Constitution, how the states have the right to handle, state legislatures handle their election rules. The Supreme Court said, we are not going to hear it. It is typical of the establishment conservative regime to say, stop, stop, we don't want to have to do this. Whereas Democrats are like, turn on the steamroller and paddle to the metal. And they even found, again, they would take federal cases in the case of Letitia James with Trump. They would take federal statutes, multiply them by 34, and then charge them at the state level with Trump.

But you have Republican governors who, again, take what you described as kind of the bill bar. Well, let's not get too hasty. Let's just simmer down. We'll just move forward. You even saw this with Representative McIver, right? The Trump DOJ suggested from that attorney from Newark that they were going to move forward if she wanted to move forward, maybe just apologize, and they refused to. So now Trump's administration is saying, all right, fine. You don't want to move forward? All right, let's get out the boxing gloves.

I want to make sure people understand the psychosis that this country has been going through for some time. It's hard to think about it, but the COVID lockdowns were five years ago. Yeah. Five years ago, this nation went insane. Now, hold on. Five years before that, this country went insane? Yes, 2015.

This is when, let me play for this video. This video is from 2018. Listen to this. Let me turn the volume up. What would that 20% alternative really mean? So that's part of what I'm doing with this, with aspects of this piece, like this trip to Moscow. You know, what would it mean if it really went that deep? Now, there's a lot of ways in which this scandal could be really bad and not go that deep.

But I think you need to consider that for another reason, which is that everyone always says, well, this has been Trump's view forever. All this stuff he's saying about the Western allies splitting us apart from the West. Let's go back. This is a long thing. I don't want to play the full thing. But it says in the Chiron, unlikely but possible that Trump has been a Russian intel asset since 1987. And so you can say that about any human being on Earth. No election possible. In a new cover story for New York Magazine, writer Jonathan Chait argues we have not allowed ourselves to consider the full range of possibilities. Chait lays out what could be considered the worst case scenario for Trump-Russia collusion,

that Donald Trump has been a Russian intelligence asset since 1987. That would mean Donald Trump is a Soviet agent, not a Russian asset. That's how insane this was back then. This was the pretext by which they. Trump had what was it, Michael Flynn prosec or or persecuted to probably a better word yeah or communicating with russians lying to the fbi they said they were going after anybody who was going to work with trump and they used this as pretext that trump was an asset of russia and that all of this communication was illegal illicit or otherwise when it wasn't it It was like 2015.

I was watching a lot of Rachel Maddow living in LA, still doing that post-liberal lifestyle clinging on. And I just remember all of a sudden they started talking about Russia. And I'm like, what the fuck? We haven't talked about Russia in 20 years. Like Russia and the US are allies now. We're done with it. And 2015, the propaganda started talking Russia, Russia, Russia.

And then it was not only the perfect storm because they're creeping up on Russia with, you know, NATO up in Ukraine. They want to control it. They want Russia to make the first move so they can have this global war and take it over. Not only that, now they get to pin it on the president. The guy who's running for president is like, ooh, we can use this to our advantage. Not only are we propagandizing people to go to war with Russia, we can scare people into fearing Trump. This is 2000. You're talking about 2015.

Yeah. Not three years before that was when Mitt Romney and Barack Obama had their debate. And Barack Obama said that Mitt Romney, when Mitt Romney was saying that Russia was our greatest geopolitical foe, Barack Obama said, you know, the eighties called and they want their, their foreign policy policy back three years before that.

It was so abrupt when they started the Russian crap. It was so weird. And because they actually crap. It was so weird and manufactured. Because of Ukraine, because of Crimea. This has been in the works for a long time. And you know what's fascinating is how predictable a lot of it is. Because if you go back to 2010s, 2012, with the Arab Spring,

something I harp on about quite a bit is the Qatar-Turkey pipeline. And that's because it's not the beginning, but if you go back to this point, obviously everything can be reduced back to some thousand years ago something happened. But the Qatar-Turkey pipeline wasn't implemented because Syria blocked us. They said they're not going to allow us to build this pipeline. They're allies with Russia. The U.S. gets mad at Russia.

Russia says you're not going to be able to do this. Then starts working with Syria and Iran to build the same pipeline, tapping a natural gas field to once again to strengthen the Gazprom gas control that they have in Europe. The U.S. gets pissed. And then they say, OK, Burisma Energy Company in Ukraine, we're going to try and control the flow of energy through Ukraine as another means to get the prices of energy down in Europe because Russia's charging too much. What happens? Crimea. U.S. involvement in Ukraine, Russia and the U.S. or the West are fighting over whether Ukraine is going to join the West or join the Russian Trade Federation. And then, of course, we enter the cusp of war and the U.S. goes, OK, Russia's our enemy now. And that's the direction we went. Just sorry, a little ironic history point here that I think people really fail to point out.

You talk about the Arab Spring, you talk about the pipeline. This all comes from the United States rebuilding the world after World War II with the Marshall Plan. And the Soviet plan was to create a major energy economy to undermine the United States. So in essence, what this has all turned out to be is a scheme of the Soviets to undermine the U.S. by creating an alternate energy sphere that cuts off the United States from deciding what the globe does, because that's what we earned in World War II. Now we have this situation where the Soviets do kind of get the last laugh, creating this endless trail of corruption over an energy market and fundamentalist terrorism. There you go. A little history lesson for you there.

I want to say one quick thing before we jump to the next segment on this one, because we have a super chat where Jonathan Westcott says it's not a soft coup as much as it's a blatant attempted coup. Just because it wasn't successful doesn't mean it isn't an attempted coup. This is the issue. When we were discussing this before the show, the issue is that it was successful. Donald Trump wasn't reelected. He was unable to effectively run the government the way he wanted to run the executive branch the way he wanted to. His national security advisor is falsely accused of crime. Papadopoulos Carter Page, falsely accused of crimes. They even had they arrested the lawyer

and charged him over fabricating evidence against Carter Pageter page they knew that i don't want to get into the weeds on this it's so much to break down but they fabricated evidence by altering an email so that carter page looked like he was guilty of a crime when he was actually intentionally giving he was working with the cia and providing them information right this is what they consistently had done to make sure that anytime trump would turn around he'd be weighed down and unable to actually implement the foreign policy he wanted to. And then the one time they claimed he was presidential. I tend to look at the conclusion when he bombed Syria. When he bombed Syria. Let's jump to this next segment real quick. This is Kash Patel. He appeared on Fox News with

Brett Baier. Listen to this. You were on with Maria a few weeks ago, and you said this. What we can do now is continue to put out the documents and the information that these people withheld from the American public. You're about to see a wave of transparency. What do you mean? Just give us about a week or two. All right, we're almost at two weeks. So this is about Crossfire Hurricane. You just talked about that, all that you've been learning. Can you give us a little of that wave of transparency?

Absolutely. So just quickly on Crossfire Hurricane, that is a continuing production. Full pause real quick for those that are not familiar because it's a new segment. Crossfire Hurricane was the investigation into Donald Trump for the Russia collusion narrative. It was a hoax. It hamstrung the Trump administration. And I would argue it was a seditious conspiracy based on the available evidence we have now. You're forgetting one small part there. We're not, there's just so much here.

How are you supposed to list all of this? They broke the law multiple times to carry out this investigation. It wasn't even carried out according to the Patriot Act. How crazy do you have to be to create a kind of investigation that violates the bloody Patriot Act of all things? So now here's what Cash has to say about it. We have found material, and I'm the Crossfire Hurricane guy,

that I didn't even know existed in FBI holdings. So there's been held someplace else? That's been stashed away in locations that people thought we wouldn't find it because we wouldn't know to look for it there. And as promised with my congressional partners, I'm working with Congress on constitutional oversight because that's what the American people deserve. And those documentations have been flowing to Congress nonstop on a rolling basis since that interview. So we've gotten some information so far. That is in the previous segment we were far. That is, in the previous

segment we were discussing, that one of the operatives who had colluded on the Russia hoax, according to an FBI analysis, lied to Congress. And this is Chuck Grassley saying, actually, let me actually grab, actually, I don't know if I have it pulled up anymore. A week from today? Not that one. This one. Actually said, newly declassified FBI documents proves Fusion GPS contractor Nelly Orr lied to Congress about contributions to Crossfire Hurricane. In 2019, they did not prosecute this person. I believe it's fair to say that the dam has broken. I'm hoping that this continues and that Cash is correct. Many people have been asking, why aren't Dan

Bongino and Kash Patel going after the public corruption? Who cares about cocaine in the White House? Who cares about the guy in J6 or whatever? We want the Epstein documents. We want action against the corrupt Democrats who are trying to obstruct a duly elected president from doing his job. We're getting all of it. So right now, it's light. Steve Bannon, I believe it was Bannon who said, midsummer, we'll see some arrests. Well, this is massive because this is now in the public sphere. And Kash Patel has released documents that they've been declassified. And the GOP has released them to the public.

It now appears the ball has begun rolling. I hope it continues, and I hope that snowball gets very big coming down that hill. Well, I mean, there's a lot of people that actually should be arrested if you go back and think about how many people had been involved in this, how many people had been involved in other accused crimes. There's the pipe bomb on January 6th that they have to investigate. There's a lot of things, and we've talked about this a bit,

and I really do think that they're trying to make sure that when they do make arrests, they've got as much evidence and everything, all their ducks in a row, essentially. So that way, if they arrest people or when they make arrests, they can actually prosecute and actually have produced results. I think this actually goes back to what Tim was saying a little bit earlier about the goal to move this forward so the American people get justice, but that it doesn't create a kind of chaos by just kind of going in guns a blazing with just any piece of evidence so that you end up in some kind of an Al Capone trial scene where he's basically just about to get off because you don't have all of the ducks lined up in a row. And if I see these people arrested, I don't want some federal judge to walk in and file some little national something from some no-name district in Connecticut.

I want them to be gone. I want them to be out of American society. Traitors be damned and hanged, quote the founding fathers. We should have a legal standard that delivers justice for people based on an actual smoking gun. There should be people prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law with the intent of trying to prevent people from doing this in the future. This should be a deterrent as well as justice. Apparently they're leaving their names all over documents. Sorry, just to point that out. My God, the paper

trail is very present. I refer to these, to Cash and Dan Bongino as the secret police, the head of our secret police, kind of tongue-in-cheek. We don't really have a secret police like the SS. They're not very secretive. Not these guys, because he's given the documents to Congress. Secret police are supposed to have cooler outfits also, by

the way. And like, sure, the FBI is going to do undercover work that you don't know they're doing. That's why you don't see a lot of what they're doing. You're like, where's Cash and Dan? Well, they're doing secret stuff. And that van outside.

But anyway. Their willingness to send files to Congress to let the people decide what to do with it, it just completely turns that tongue-in-cheek bullshit on its head. These guys are legit.

Well, well, hang on a second there. You said that they're sending this to Congress. This isn't the first time this was referred. According to these documents from Grassley's office, there were prior referrals that were sent out of his office. Sean Davis over from The Federalist brought this up this evening. There were referrals made. We have no idea where those referrals went. They could have gone to bar. He could have thrown them out. They could have been sent to members of Congress. I want to know if they were sent to members of Congress. Are they sitting on committees right now? People need to understand

something. Be it Dan Bongino, Kash Patel, be it Bill Barr, the likelihood that they've come across something simply because it exists in the FBI is slim. So for instance, we've got, I think, 40 people who work at Tim Katz in some capacity, and I'll walk in and there's a car I've never seen before. I have no idea. I'll walk in the kitchen and there'll be like food on the counter. I have no idea where it came from. And no one tells me. And you know what? I don't think twice. I don't care. The point I'm making is the head of the FBI is not aware and apprised to every single investigation analysis that's being carried out. This means it's possible that when the referral was made, it was intercepted by deep state bureaucrats so that Bill Barr never got it.

And I'm not trying to absolve Bill Barr of any responsibility. Considering the gravity of these analyses and this investigation, nothing else mattered more. I believe it's more likely he did know this was going on and just said, we're not going to do this. For the 800th time, you are making a brilliant case for why these career bureaucrats who were not elected, who are nameless, who are never accountable. We held an internal investigation, Chris Wray said. We did nothing wrong, Chris Wray said. Well, I mean, you're right about the bureaucrats, but I mean, it could just as likely be, you know, someone that is, you know, some kind of intern or something.

That's what was most likely to have happened when it comes to the Dobbs decision, right? The Supreme Court case that leaked about abortion. It was most likely that it was a clerk. There are so many politically motivated people in the bureaucracy, people that truly believe that Donald Trump is going to ruin the world when honestly, what they're probably trying to do is protect their own jobs or protect their future jobs. But that the idea that it that it had to be some kind of, you know, well-connected bureaucrat, I think that it could have been almost any kind of, you know, kind of operative in the government. What would it look like, the referral itself? How would that happen, point by point? Who makes it?

And then where does it go? And then... So according to Grassley's documents here, and Tim, if you could scroll down just a smidge in there, I want to make sure I get this right here. So Nellie Orr does all of this stuff. All right, so let's pick a low-level crime here. She violates, apparently tells Congress that she didn't use a ham radio incorrectly. The FCC is super serious about ham radio stuff. She apparently lied about this. If the FBI suspects, hey, you were lying about this. We have evidence, enough evidence, of which with Fusion GPS there was all of the evidence that this was false and garbage. And there was actual collusion between bureaucratic offices and congressmen going on against the present administration,

then you would make a referral. This referral would be made to the head of the FBI, but it can also be made to the House Oversight Committee. It can be made to another part of the deputy assistant attorney general, perhaps. There are a couple of different places the referrals can go. I think right now what Kash Patel is alluding to an interview with Brett bear. They found the referral in a place there shouldn't have been referrals. Oh, so now they're saying, okay, how many referrals in any of you guys who have kids down a toilet? Yeah. You ever find a kid who hides something? Your first thought isn't, wow, I'm so glad I have this back. It's what else has my kid been taking and hiding around the house? Why wouldn't they just destroy the referral, though, instead of put it somewhere?

Because destroying things often leaves a bigger trail than just hiding it somewhere. And criminal liability. Correct. Yeah. Great point. Anybody who has a ferret knows that if you catch the ferret stealing something, you're going to find it stashed. And there's a bunch of other stuff stashed there. There you go.

You got a kid example and a ferret example here. Did you know that ferret is Latin for little thief? No way, really? Did you know pundit is Sanskrit for teacher? There you go. Yeah, pundit. Sorry, that's all I got. That's the only other response I had for that.

So in all seriousness, they likely were putting these referrals in places that they thought people wouldn't find. But if they did, they'd say, well, I didn't do anything wrong. It's just in that place that's obscure. And this is why Comey's statement today, he starts to hyperventilate a little bit at the end of this segment with Wolf Blitzer.

They're talking about the GOP administration, again, Kash Patel, Pam Bondi, opening up some of these investigations, the January 6th pipe bomb, the cocaine, on and on. And he makes a very weird statement about whether or not the FBI ever closes investigations, specifically about January 6th. It's objectively wrong. Let's pull this up. We have this story from the Daily Mail. Comey slams investigation, ex-FBI chief James Comey unnerved as Trump reopens investigation to cocaine at the White House. Now, the first thing I want to say is, bravo, Daily Mail. There should be an award

for hilariously misleading headlines because the way they've phrased the title, it's as if to imply that it's Comey's cocaine. Unnerved as Trump reopens investigation to cocaine. He's like sniffing through the whole interview. He's like, oh, Trump reopened a bunch of investigations. Now we have this clip from CNN. Let me play it for you. Something supported by a lot of conservatives out there. What do you make of this?

It's a little confusing to me, honestly. I'm sure it's a huge adjustment to go from being a podcaster to being the deputy director of the FBI. But I don't understand this tweet. First of all, I assume that the investigation of the pipe bomb that was found on January 6th was never closed. The FBI never closes such a thing. So I guess it means they're going to focus on it more.

And as to the other things, I thought the Supreme Court, Marshall had investigated the leak of the opinion, the draft opinion. I don't know what the FBI's role is there. Cocaine at the White House. I thought the Secret Service investigated that. So I don't follow it and understand it. I also don't understand who the audience is for this tweet. The FBI often calls for public assistance

or in matters of great public concern will announce an investigation to reassure the public. This seems much more narrowly targeted, maybe to a former podcast audience. That's potentially what's going on. I want to get your the public. This seems much more narrowly targeted, maybe to a former podcast audience. That's potentially what's going on. I want to get your also reaction to an exchange the new FBI Director Kash Patel had with Democratic Senator Patty Murray during a recent congressional hearing.

Listen to this. Director Patel, where is the FY2026 budget request for the FBI? It's being worked on, ma'am. Have you reviewed it? I really don't care about a budget request, though. In the tweet from Nick Sorter, he says, James Comey slams Dan Bongino and Kash Patel for reopening and increasing investigations into the Biden White House. Cocaine, J6 pipe bomber and Supreme Court dobsleet. Comey is in total self-preservation mode.

Spill everything, Kash and Bongino. The J6 pipe bomb was under the Trump administration. That was just at the end of Trump's first term. Now, the question is, there's another issue here that I think is interesting, and that's Patriot Front. So Joe Rogan had said something, MSNBC went off on Joe, because Joe had said something about after cash gets in, Patriot Front disbands. But Patriot Front didn't disband as far as I know this still exists. MSNBC made that point. But many people still look at groups like that and say, yeah, those are feds. Why? Well, they show up very organized. Often it appears like the law enforcement is disregarding their presence and

allowing them to do things they wouldn't let any other group do. The question here is, is James Comey actually unnerved by the reopening of these investigations? It seemed rather weak, to be completely honest. But were there FBI agents, maybe Comey or someone else involved in a lot of these scenarios? I don't know the cocaine belongs to. I want to mention something. The White House complex is massive. People think White House and they assume it's this singular building. It's a massive complex. So where do they find the cocaine? Was it in the Oval Office? Because then we got an issue. But there's so many different areas. There's a bowling alley in the White House. The pipe bomber is interesting because this one reeks of some kind of operation of some sort.

The cocaine one I'll tap on there. He said a Secret Service was supposed to take care of that. Well, if they didn't, then does the FBI go, hey, how come the Secret Service isn't doing their job? Maybe that's why the FBI is involved with that. Now, the pipe bomb thing, since day one, what the hell? Because that thing escalated the danger of the day and made it look like justified to go after people that were just standing around as if they had something to do with this pipe bomb. And then they just the trail had gone cold. It was it was it was the pretext to evacuate members of Congress before the J6 riots.

So let's just try this. On January 6th, Capitol Police, I believe it was Capitol Police, went door to door in congressional offices to evacuate members of Congress hours before anyone breached the Capitol building. How fortunate for these members of Congress that there was a pretext that got them out of the building. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez used that pretext to create a fake story. She claimed that the cops went to her room and banged on the door. She went and hid in the bathroom, and she heard someone come in and go, Where is she? Where is she? And she said,

I thought they found me. The J6ers found me. She thought she was going to die. Is this the same person who hit Jesse Smollett with a Subway sandwich? It was a cop evacuating her because of the pipe bombs. However, the story makes no sense because this happened, I believe, a full hour

before anyone breached the Capitol building. So when this story broke, I actually ended up discussing with, arguing with Ben Shapiro about it because everyone was saying, no, no, they were evacuating, the timeline adds up. And then I pulled her Instagram video and lined it up and said,

this story she was telling about getting lunch happened. Here's the time frame she gives. Here's the video from in front of the Capitol of the first breach of the building. She had no way of knowing they were going to breach the building unless. Unless she had foreknowledge that the building was going to be breached. For those that believe January 6th was coordinated intentionally, it is extremely convenient for anyone who's trying to, who knows that there's going to be a riot

inside the Capitol, that they had a pretext to evacuate Congress before that happened. Yeah, and even if it was like Capitol Police getting ready to like prepare the building for the assault, so they're in there getting all the Congress people out.

That could have been... A full hour before the rioters smashed through the building, they evacuated members of Congress. I've heard that there's FBI on the scene there. You guys have the data? This is what I want. When they're doing this J6 pipe bomber thing,

are we going to get documents related to the informants that we know were on the ground? So this is where things get really, really interesting. And I think this even ties back into why Comey and Ray and so many others are starting to get a little sweaty on camera. Whenever you start to look in these forlorn places where documents are just left to rot, they're not really closed, they're just left open, maybe you look around in some field offices, you start to find references to things that really shouldn't be there. You do start to see whether or not individuals were listed as an FBI informant on some other earlier operation, as opposed to just January 6th,

and all of a sudden those testimonies before Congress look a little bit sketchy. The worst part of all of this is that the January 6th committee that was a complete sham and set up so that no one who disagreed with the problems with the situation in general couldn't even get on the committee, that committee then tried to destroy evidence that was delivered to that committee. It tried to obfuscate, to hide any kind of testimony leaking out to the public. This is something that I want answers for because before you try to walk out here and say that everything is above board,

there's a lot of people getting real jumpy about people opening up old files all of the sudden. What evidence did they destroy? The January 6th committee. You said they received evidence that they destroyed? They destroyed everything.

What's left? All the documents? All of the evidence that the January 6th committee collected, right? Picture in your mind a large plastic bin, a post office bin, if you might, and everyone sends in all of the various information you just keep it in this bin. Well, at the end of this particular investigation from the J6 committee, the Trump administration was essentially like getting ready to come back in. They dragged this committee on forever. The House was retaken by Republicans in midterm. Speaker at the time comes in and says,

well, we'd like to see these documents. And they said, no. And then once they actually got the documents back, they found that the bin was like one third of the way full. When in fact, we know of all of these things that occurred regarding the January 6th committee, testimonies, documentation, perhaps security camera footage. Why on God's green earth is there a part of Washington, D.C. that close to the Capitol that's not on camera? A lot of unanswered questions that are kind of a little weird here. And what, Meghan McCain was satisfied with like a post-it note that said, I did it, signed J6 people. I don't know. I can't imagine that there's actually places in DC that don't have some,

have surveillance. Hillary Clinton's office. Well, I'm talking about places outdoors. Oh, yes, yes. You know what I mean? Outside of Hillary Clinton's office? Well, I'm talking about places outdoors. Oh, yes, yes. You know what I mean? Outside of Hillary Clinton's office? Yeah, outside of Hillary Clinton's, outside of offices. Just like, you know, if you're walking around around Congress or around the DOJ building or around the FBI building, I can't imagine that there aren't cameras. There's more cameras in D.C. than an inner city target. Anywhere that Hillary Clinton looks is the only place with no care i couldn't get the joke in when when it was timely but it would have been funny to think she's like a terminator shutting down security footage everywhere she walks the camera's shut down just in case 15

foot radius i'm just chilling outside of surveillance well okay so it's the lack of evidence that that is indicates that they destroy the evidence i mean can we just real quick just i know that there's not very many liberals that watch this show and they're never going to clip that is indicates that they destroy the evidence. I mean, can we just real quick, just. I know that there's not very many liberals that watch this show and they're never going to clip this, but the Q shaman is on camera being escorted into the building by through the building by police escorted into the Senate chambers and they locked him in prison for this. The police gave him a guided tour. How can you claim that someone had criminal intent when they said, excuse me, officer, can you help me?

And he said, yes, I can. Could you imagine walking to a bank and being like, officer, is it okay if I take this bag of money? He's like, let me carry it for you. Okay, and then they arrest you. It's like, you gave me the money. Like, you let me do it. In this instance, probably a bad analogy

because the Capitol building is a public building. Normally, anyone's allowed to be there. So the police give them a guided tour through a public building and then arrest them for it later. It's very strange. Unless they're undercover and they're facilitating the crime on purpose to get the guy, but then they're complicit. If it's not an undercover staying operation, they're complicit. They're in uniform. This is why Cash terrifies them, though, because Cash knows where to look to find this stuff.

And don't get me wrong. I also want the Epstein files released post-haste immediately. There's a lot of other things that I expect this FBI to do. But right now, if this is what he is focused on, if this is what he, Bongino, Pam Bondi have their sights set on, I am saying, yeah, I want you to search every corner, high and low, all the nooks and cranniesies until you find out anything that is of interest to Americans. This is the difficult position.

Yes, I agree. Epstein stuff should get released and what's going on. Something's weird. However, weeding out the corrupt individuals who engaged in a seditious conspiracy to stop Donald Trump, I think is actually step one. If they do not deal with this corruption, they'll just lose in 2026 and 2028. And then you'll learn nothing about any of the corruption outside of whatever. So I understand why everybody wants the Epstein stuff. Agreed. If they don't deal with this, we ain't getting nothing. To be fair, I don't know that we're getting the Epstein stuff anyway.

Yeah. But step one is root the corruption and make sure they don't cheat. They don't try to engage in conspiracies again. Secure the vote. That's another big thing. The system itself. Trump's been talking about the vote. You need a secured vote so that there can't be a coup in the voters' box with some digital thing, too. I agree with you on the Epstein stuff.

I mean, I feel like I don't even want to talk about it too much, but I feel like it's going to implicate global leaders. And let's jump to this next story. This is just a simple tweet from Deputy Director of the FBI Dan Bongino, quote, As we read in process reports of a new covid strain emerging, I want you to know that we are actively investigating in multiple field offices the cover up of the origin of the covid virus, along with associated matters requiring our attention. You deserve answers. I am just going to because I want to because I want to believe I'm just going to mentally insert in the middle of this statement and implied Fauci is going to get arrested for his perjury when he lied to Congress. And that was a Newsweek story that he did.

If Dan Bongino legitimately says we are, he said we are actively investigating. And if that is the case, one of the first things you got to do is take a look at the lab leak, which we is now it's basically confirmed across the board. COVID leaked from a lab. Then you have to ask, why did they make this virus? And you have EcoHealth Alliance, Peter Daszak, and Anthony Fauci. And then you get to the congressional hearing with Rand Paul asking Dr. Fauci, did you engage in gain-of-function research? And according to numerous reports, Anthony Fauci lied under oath. Any act of investigation should reasonably include within it the resulting criminal prosecution of Anthony Fauci for perjury. Absolutely.

I mean, that— Among other things. I mean, it should be extremely obvious to people. That shouldn't be controversial. Like, there's clear evidence that Fauci was lying under oath. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Fauci was untruthful. That's what Newsweek said.

Oh! In quotes, even. I see now. Which is perfect. But, I mean, it is a terrible development that, or a terrible condition that the media literally runs interference for people like Fauci that are responsible for, you know, some some terrible, terrible medicine. Well, hey, hey, guess what? Now you understand. Well, not now you understand. I don't mean it to sound to sound patronizing or condescending here. Now we see very clearly why the media is losing their minds and trying to shift the mental health question of Biden over to Trump,

as Thompson and Tapper have done in the last couple of days. They don't want to talk about the idea of whether Biden's auto-pen use was legitimate, because once you open a lot of these individuals up for prosecution that they auto-penned their way out of and magical last-minute totally-covers-anything pardons, Now you can start to bring a situation where perhaps Fauci makes a deal so that five or six members of Congress are now in the targets for things that they might have been involved in. Because as we know from the Democrats, as Schumer learned from good old David Hogg, when you raise a generation to backstab just like you did, don't be surprised when you've got a blade between the shoulders.

All that needs to happen is for the FBI to go to Fauci and say, listen, Fauci, you are going to be prosecuted for perjury and you'll spend what life you have left behind bars or give us something we can use, which is famously what the FBI likes to do. And then Fauci says, listen, listen, I'll give you what I can. Just please, please don't arrest me. And then you end up with evidence against maybe, as you mentioned, some members of Congress who are complicit in covering things up. It would be a shame if someone looked into my mansion houses, my socialism and the young Latina woman I'm running around the country with. And Anthony Fauci, how could they look at me in Vermont? I'm pretty getting. I just I just want to stress this to all the people who might hear this about Bernie Sanders. They say Bernie Sanders, this is what the liberals are saying.

He needed a – the only way to fly from these two cities for his rally was to use a private charter. And we're not mad about it. And then my response is he did not need a luxury Challenger 600. He could have got a King Air turboprop. He could have, instead of spending $40,000, spent $10,000. The point is the dude chose a luxury large to midsize jet. Did he have a big staff that he took with him? I don't believe so.

Well, but I mean, you know, this is— Maybe, but either way, you can get a turboprop that seats nine. Regardless, the point is the dude— I don't want to derail, but this guy. He's like, my bones, they're older than my joints. He's just a limousine liberal like all of them. What's that? He's a limousine liberal. That's what they do.

We're going to fight climate change. Give me your money. Okay, I'm going to go buy a fiber jet. Same with Karen Bass, who instead of just doing a Zoom call to Ghana, took a little flight over to Ghana and now has only given out 10 building permits. And again, when you start sniffing around, everyone loses their marbles because the gravy train is over. So let's – going back to the previous story, it is time that Republicans exercise power. And, you know, man, I've said for a long time that I'd never want to be involved in politics. But I'm starting to get the itch, maybe maybe in 20 or 30 years. But what I'm frustrated about is where's where's the reckless abandon from Republicans?

Democrats figuratively fling themselves off buildings to exude, to exert power at federal agents in Newark, literally punching. I'm going to say this again. Uh, Rhett McIver, close fist, punched a federal agent on camera and then body slammed him like the Kool-Aid man.

Oh yeah. And, and, and Republicans are like, well, you know. So I like what Cash and Dan are doing. I'm hoping that they're the

energy we need, and it looks good so far. Guys, it has only been a couple months. Seriously. They've not even been in as long as Trump has been, so it's only been a few months. Give them some time. However, I just long for someone to come in and just flip the the game board over

oh you were saying it's that they're doing it right they're not going in there with a piece of evidence doing some clown you know kangaroo court and just throwing people in jail they're actually attempting what were you gonna say no you set me up in the best way dude thanks what i was going to say and then he helped me out here with a beautiful assist there's a process to all of, because if you don't deal with the federal injunctions first, that'll screw you over. And then if you don't have the budget to take care of it, that'll screw you over. And then because, you know, something will be funded through 29 or 2032 and you can't touch it because Congress allocated money for it. And if you have to, you have to take these things one at a time. One thing that is very clear about this administration, this is my highest praise for Trump, is that he took that four years in purgatory.

Well, four years in hell once it reached indictment season. And he planned out a lot of moves. Trump doesn't do a ton of planning. A lot of times he just kind of walks in and says, I want it and I want it now. But in this case, he really did with his team sit down and go, if we're going to do this, the dominoes need to be in order. Otherwise, one domino is going to be out of place and the train's going to stop and the other dominoes are going to stay standing because nothing knocked them over. Look at how much effort the left has put into stymieing the

Trump administration already, like all just judges. And again, this doesn't have to be some kind of top down directive from some secret cabal or whatever. Even though Chuck Schumer literally on camera said we appointed these progressive judges to do exactly that. But the point is, they don't have to they don't have to be instructed which which executive orders to actually have an injunction on. It's like, oh, I have I have a I have a person that I that I can speak for. We have someone that can that'll file a complaint. And they'll just fall in line. Oh, you mean like the conspiracy of everyone believing the same thing so they all move in the same direction? Exactly. Standalone complex. Emergent phenomenon.

Standalone complex. When a group of people all take action that appears to be coordinated, but they're individual actions. So it looks like a conspiracy, but it's not. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's the typical behavior on the left now. And so I imagine that should there be attempts to indict people, there will be all kinds of, um, you know, all kinds of effort to, to hinder any, any, any justice being, being, you know met out i think like you also in order to exercise power effectively you need the populace to understand what you're doing and to be believe in you or at least give you the authority to do it to acquiesce and i wonder how many people already have the authority what's that they've already given the

authority by electing trump yeah but i wonder how many people know that it was a lab leak or believe it was a lab leak today. Because I'm in a bubble. I work with you guys. We all, it's pretty clear that that came out of a lab. Don't you feel? The Wuhan route.

I got to give a shout out to Asmund Gold, who was talking about my interview with Adam Conover when he pointed out that we, the bubble we are in here is the big bubble. When Conover told me that he didn't know that Trump condemned white nationalists, he said, I'm not in your bubble. When Conover told me that he didn't know that Trump condemned white nationalists, he said, I'm not in your bubble. And then he pulled up the article where it had

the full paragraph. Donald Trump said there are very fine people on both sides and I'm not talking about white nationalists. And he says, here's Adam Conover's bubble. And he circled the very fine people. And he goes, here's Tim's. And he circles the whole thing. And he's like, you're in the small bubble. You're like you're in the small bubble you're saying you're in a small bubble isolated from the news I think it is fair to say for this company I I don't think I think we are in a bubble but that bubble is the American national news landscape obviously there there's there's bubbles of influence in every every capacity because I don't know what's going on in China right now. So the news that we do have access to is American national news.

But people like to say things, you know, like when he's like, I'm not in your bubble. Bro, we're not in an isolated political bubble here. Nope. Nope. We are in, I read the New York Times every day and I see what they're saying. And sometimes it appears fine and I fact check it and I say, okay, that one looks like it might be okay. And I give them like a 60%. But when it comes to politics, you can really see when they ham it up, when they're doing poorly. When Politico is reporting on kind of beat stuff around the country, I give a lot of praise to Adam Wren from Indiana Politico.

He genuinely tries to appear to set aside a lot of his personal biases to report news. And then you have the guy who says, I can't remember the guy's name, but the Politico article from this week, here's what the Democrats' shadow cabinet should be. Bill Nye, Letitia James. That was a funny article, by the way. It was incredible. They're still talking about shadow government.

The shadow hearings didn't work out. We stopped hearing about that, by the way. They're still rejecting the will of the American people. This is a fascinating thing from my time with Bill Maher, who I thought was great. Obviously, we disagreed. But I've sat down with so many liberals who think things that are factually incorrect. And they get snooty with you. They get angry with you.

They attack you. Bill didn't do any of those things. Certainly, there was a little agitation. But he always tried to keep things chill. And that was great. Also, he was smoking a lot of pot. That would be very true. But he told me, you've been watching too much Fox News.

And I think my response was like, and CNN and Politico. It's fascinating that for the liberal bubble, they say, don't watch Fox News. And I'm like, I try to watch all of it. I try to read all of it. I don't want to be in a conservative bubble only reading The Examiner and, you know, and... The Daily Signal. Right, Bart, or The Daily Signal. No, no, I got you.

I read it all. I read it all. And The Federalist, and I'll read The New York Times, and I'll read CNN. And when I want to abuse myself, I'll listen to NPR. Al Jazeera. Right now, the sources that we have pulled up, first of all, we used the New York Post. Oh, they say that's right-leaning. I've got Newsweek.

That's not right-leaning. It's slightly left. We've got Politico, left-leaning. Mediaite, left-leaning. Axios, left-leaning. And Daily Mail, moderate to slightly right, but British. And you haven't included the clips that you've played, including CNN and MSNBC and Fox News. You've a wide variety.

And when and the reason I bring this up is and with all due respect to Bill, you know, by all means, I told him I think one of our most viewed videos is him is criticizing him. And he laughed and said, you're allowed to be wrong. And I appreciate the like he doesn't freak out like his other lips. But his response is you've been watching too much Fox News. He can't see that he's in a liberal hive bubble that he can't see out of. And so if I present him with counter information, I think the issue was when I brought up that Ukraine, he said, you know, Trump went on TV and told Russia to help him out. I laughed because Trump said, you know, if Russia, if you do got something. And then I said and then he was like, and Paul Manafort ends up getting convicted or whatever. And I said, yeah, you know, if Russia, if you do got something. And then I said and then he was like, and Paul Manafort ends up getting convicted or whatever.

And I said, yeah, you know, those documents came from Ukraine. And he was like, what? I'm like, Politico reported this. So when he says you've been watching too much Fox News, I'm like, brother. This is Politico. I'm not getting this from Fox News. Yeah, he just doesn't read these things in the fear of not looking in one because there's a lot of different bubbles. You know, you're probably within like a thousand different

bubbles at once, and maybe we share like a couple hundred bubbles, and then there are the bubbles we're not part of. If someone tells you, don't look at that piece of that news company, you're probably going to want to look at it. There are things in the world that you shouldn't look at, like CP. You know, there's like vile things that you

shouldn't get involved in that bubble, but when it comes to news, I think that there's no news involved in that bubble. But when it comes to news, I think that there's no news so dangerous that it will radicalize you to evil. I don't think so if you have a smart, open brain. I'm going to give a shout out to Ashton Forbes. Do you guys know Ashton? Yeah. He's been tracking the MH370 story.

And boy, if you're entering that story from the surface, it sounds nuts. Teleportation technology, Gorgon stare videos of orbs circling a plane. And I'm like, I'm a skeptic. But when he tweeted that he was going to be joining me for an interview, I got slammed by a bunch of tweets and comments from people saying like, just attacking me for daring to entertain a conversation. And I'm like, this is really weird. It's really weird. He's basically saying that he thinks teleportation technology blinked the plane out of existence

and moved it somewhere else. I think that's a grandiose concept. I don't know that I believe it, but I'm open to the possibility, as I stated in my interview with him today, if we assume anything that we've never seen before is a hoax, we will never discover anything again. We need to be open to the possibility that we will eventually witness a technology we've not yet witnessed before. And so I remain largely skeptical. I don't know that that exists because I think we'd see it more.

But sure, I'll have the conversation. But I pointed out to him, I've had flat earthers come on my show and we've debated. Nobody cared. Nobody tweeted at me. How dare you? We had geocentrists come on the show and argue the Earth is the center of the universe, and nobody cares. But when this one guy wants to talk about classified military technology using quantum tunneling, all of a sudden I'm getting attacked by a bunch of people saying, you're a fraud, Tim, you're promoting this. And I'm like, what is this, reverse psychology to make me believe it exists by attacking me when I have a conversation about it?

Lockheed Martin not getting commercial royalties. I got to be honest with this whole conversation regarding the bubbles, which by the way, your description of the bubbles I thought was an incredible OxyClean commercial. Like we all around thousands of bubbles. Yeah, I like that. I really enjoy the idea that the left seems to think that a diverse media sphere is new. There was a time in this country, not 50, 60 years ago, in which every town, every small town had a Democrat newspaper, a Republican newspaper, an inquiry kind of gossip newspaper, and usually a corporate interest paper. If you were in kind of a bigger city like Kansas City. Those are the days. They were all, and even small towns that had this kind of a thing. They're like, wow, you're watching too much Fox News.

Dude, the diverse media sphere has been around a lot longer in this country than your isolated bubble vision. Mika Brzezinski said something once on Morning Joe. Like, we're the ones that are going to tell you what the truth is. Don't listen to anyone else. And it's like, that's this. So there were Republican and Democrat newspapers. She said, we decide what the truth is. Freakish.

It was worse than what you first portrayed. It was like appearing into the unipolar mindset of the media, this news media, that it's because there was a Republican and Democrat newspaper, but it's like they're being paid by the same liberal economic order to spurge the same propaganda.

Not necessarily the same propaganda, but maybe it was. But I think now, and people like Mika have been brainwashing people to don't look outside at the other possible Al Jazeera. Horrible, Dane. Don't do that. Look at us. We're the ones. So it's like an immune response that these people are having. Like, please don't don't

look away at other information you need to get it from us or this this order is going to fail i i do think that al jazeera is probably not the best place to go it's not but you shouldn't not listen to al jazeera but i would i would probably check you know back up the stories that they're i use al jazeera as an extreme example of something not to be afraid of. I usually just call the AP next door. I'm going to play this clip real quick. That's exactly what I hear. What Yamiche just said is what I hear from all the Trump supporters that I talk to who

were Trump voters and are still Trump supporters. They go, yeah, you guys are going crazy. He's doing... What are you so surprised about? He's doing exactly what he said he's going to do. Well, and I think that the dangerous edges here are that he's trying to undermine the media, trying to make up his own facts. And it could be that while unemployment and the economy worsens, he could have undermined the messaging so much that he can actually control exactly what people think.

And that is our job. Yeah, if you look at the issues. And that is our job to control what people think. Hunger Games level, crazy central power authority. Remember when Joe Scarborough was like, he's like, I was wrong when I said Joe was cogent.

I undersold him. This version of Joe Biden is the greatest version of Joe Biden, the sharpest version of Joe Biden. So you're telling me he can do a Joe Scarborough, neither of you tried doing an impression of Mika Brzezinski?

I feel cheated. Well, they're both very dry personalities. Well, there's also the testosterone. So Joe, like, Mika Brzezinski is vanilla pudding.

Like, how do you do an impersonation of someone who's flat? I just imagine getting kicked in the crotch and then trying to do the news and I just kind of go from there.

Fix your posture. Yeah, but I disagree because that implies some kind of emotive like emote emoting michael brzezinski is just too flat so the funny thing is that we accidentally talks like this um and that's our job it's like okay we accidentally brush against something interesting is this idea of the uh exceptionalism behind titles and the job and the degree that you have, that simply because you speak in a monotone voice and you have that new 21st century transatlantic, you're listening to this channel, like that kind of thing, that gives them the expertise.

And because you talk like a normal person on a podcast, that means, well, you're not real news like the person who went to Brown. This really is the world they live in. These people who work in media and broadcast media, they get trained to talk like this. Today, Donald Trump said that a dog

would be arriving. And it's like, why are you talking like that, dude? Why are they talking like that? Because they're trained. It's the modern, yeah, it's the modern, it's like, yeah, you had the old transatlantic, I say, like, now you have this neuro-transatlantic. It's broadcast, it's like broadcast diction. It's like an authority. That's why, you know this it's broadcast it's like broadcast diction it's like an authority that's why you know it's exaggerated a bit but you'll be watching the

news like i'm standing here outside of the old winchester family guy apples very much well that's the joke they were making yeah the trisha kwan or whatever i'm standing here outside every time and within the podcast era this is fascinating because it goes back to actually vice. I think vice was one of the first iterations of this. Granted, they had to fall from grace, but still they were interviewed by the New York times. I think it was with David Carr. And he was like, what gives you the right to go and do these stories? Like, who are you? And he's like, I can't remember who said it, but they said basically Vice was like learning the news from a dude you're sitting at the bar with. Before them, all news was, I'm sitting here in Tim Kess IRL Studios.

Phil is to my right. And then Vice came along and they were like, so we're walking through a jungle and like some guy came up and he had like a club or something. That was weird. And it was like talking to a person about what their experience was. Yeah, Jon Stewart kind of softened, took it away from the, I'm telling you the news, but he took it into comedic,

but it was still stilted. It was still very overmoved. It was like, so let me tell you about this. So last week we had, and then you had, I mean, John Mulaney's even made fun of this with the New York Post, like getting a story like,

there's a perv in Queens. Just that kind of shorthand news style. People don't need all of the soft-handed notices of your journalism degree to get the news. And the left has no idea why that's not getting them more USA Today subscriptions. Oh, I wonder if it's a gut reaction that makes people trust it, like a sense of authority because they're used to it that that noise that tone and but there's just a huge swath of humanity now that doesn't oh like kind of his value like when i take off my glasses i get accused of being the vice president that that kind of exactly like that and andrew santino oh kind of like a crossbreed of the those two irishmen i'll take it

was yeah i like that guy um so because i now when I see that people talking like that, that news voice, I am, I turned off by it. Especially when you play them all in sync together, like during the COVID pandemic, and they're all saying the exact same things about misinformation. And because of the same journalistic way they speak is also combined in that large news press briefing

that was given to them. You can play all of those videos at the same time and they all sound in sync with each other. Now they realize they can't do that. So I don't know if you guys have noticed this, MSNBC, Politico, CNN, they tried very briefly to do the Trump ambushed Cyril, the South African president. Then they've already fractured into a million different angles on things because people just don't trust the narratives. They no longer drive the news. Now they're the ones following the cycle.

The ambush term. I saw a clip where it was just newscasters saying that Trump ambushed the president in the White House. I think Chai Raichik compiled all of the— So after that, you're saying they were all like,, oh crap, they scattered like roaches in the light? Not like, no, not roaches scattering, but the first, I don't know. I imagine a game of tag where everyone then starts running away from the person that's it. They are active, they are moving, but there's not really any coordinated effort because everything's being shaken up. And also, half of their informants inside the administration have been fired. So they're really up a creek without a paddle or,

you know, an audience to watch them. Let's jump to this story from Mediate. MSNBC's new primetime lineup lands with a thud amid ongoing ratings woes. Yeah, they're flopping. The ratings are getting worse and worse. And you know what's crazy is we could probably do this same segment every week because there's always some drop-off. Every week, the ratings are getting worse. Check this out. MSNBC's new primetime lineup, which debuted May 5th, failed to connect with viewers. Well, of course it did.

Nobody likes this stuff. Overall, MSNBC dropped 41% in the primetime demo and 34% in total day demo compared to May of 24. In total viewers, the network was down 33% across the day and 24 in primetime. MSNBC's total day demo viewership sank to 49,000. That's crazy, dude. 73,000 in primetime. It's second worst ever showing for a month behind January of 2021. You know what I do? I'm going to pull up my phone and go to Instagram real quick. And I'm going to take a look at some of the clips that I got here. While you're doing that, I'll bring a little homework to this on my end because USA Today.

So here's what I was going to say. I have a tweet that I posted. Like one tweet? One tweet that was screenshotted and uploaded to Instagram as 170,000 views. I mean, again, this isn't just even relegated to MSNBC. USA Today currently has, in the entire country, total subscribers, including the daily newspaper and the digital only, barely over 500,000. USA Today can barely break half a million subscribers. Is that paying subscribers? subscribers, including the Daily Newspaper and the Digital Only, barely over 500,000. USA Today can barely break half a million subscribers.

Are they paying subscribers? Well, that includes all of the schools and the libraries and the buildings that have them in the lobby and the gas stations that buy them. It's really rough. Now, get this. The New York Times is doing well, though. Oh, true. But they also have, like, Wordle. The Indianapolis Star, in my neck of the woods,

in 2000 had 363,000 subscribers. So if you look at over the last 25 years, what they have lost, that's just one outlet out of that whole network. No one believes these fools anymore. Nothing can prop them up. That's why Scott Jennings has kept on at CNN as long as he has.

You were reading that USA Today has how many subscribers? Right now, digital only 402,948. As of today? That's the digital only. As of December 31st, 2024, daily subscribers, 99,974. So total just over 500,000 subscribers to any USA Today outlet news.

As of October, you said? As of December 31st, 2024. I've had that in my spare show notes, like down in like segment five, which there is no segment five, for ages and just happened to have it ready to bring up. What's the source of that? Because I'm finding a different number. I'm finding two million. Let me, give me a few seconds while you guys move on to pull that one up because we just have the graph screenshotted. I just did a quick Google search. It you said today has two million digital only subscribers

at the end of 2024 two million paid digital only only subscribers i'm gonna pull it up to be fair though you said today's a massive network of smaller papers across the it's the gannett network yeah but uh anyway to the main point i remember remember when, man, you remember when CNN used to get millions? Millions, yeah. Tens of millions? Well, I mean. They still do, but they're all very, very old people. They're not going to be around for very long.

The system is going to implode. Well, I mean. This is why they're trying to buy podcasts right now. This format doesn't work. And the crazy thing is, you know what I would do if I would look at the five on Fox News, highest rated cable TV news show right now, I think. And it's similar to this. They pull up a news story, rate it, and then they all talk about it. I think the age of networks, value is dropping. And then the age of individual value is on the

rise. These networks that are trying to own people, the people realize I can just do this myself. And I think it was David Sachs. Somebody was saying that he anticipates the first billion dollar company that has one employee will be like next year. That's where we're headed. Right. I did find that stat. According to the actual Gannett annual report, 2024 found online GCI2025 Annual Report bookmarked for web hosting. They have all of the USA Today outlets and then affiliates. And yes, that is the exact number that we have. I didn't even realize some of the other outlets look even worse.

Akron, Ohio is like scraping by what we scrape by on if we post a Sunday episode clip. The Akron Beacon Journal? Yeah, that's the one. That's my hometown, baby. That's right. Milwaukee Sentinel Journal is also struggling. Guests going to war with Ron Johnson didn't work out too well for him. Just hiding behind a wall of text.

This is what is going to get you into the 21st century. Bankruptcy. You need a face. Put a face online. They need at least AI people, like AI avatars or something to say. Nowadays, the charisma of the person presenting the news has never presenting the information has never mattered more it's never been more important most people get you know their information from

their phone and whether it be news or entertainment it has to be delivered in the way that the viewer is looking for it and that's why you know there are still a lot of viewers that watch CNN but but they're all very old. They're boomers, maybe some Gen Xers. But anyone that's, you know, under 50 is going to their is probably going to their phone. Well, their first their first step, which was to acquire a bunch of online publications, which again, the conservative media has been doing just the online only publication kind of nonprofit-profit model for 10, 15 years now. Again, I'm as a guy from The Daily Signal. That is, in fact, our model. Guys like Hans-Zorg Weiss from Switzerland, who's been funding all of these non-profit

news outlet online publications across the country, their viewership is also terrible. There's just no market for being given regurgitated stuff. That's the catch. None of this stuff is original. I guarantee you, if you pull up the MSNBC lineup... What's that article you had pulled up? I actually just dropped it underneath the tweet for the live stream itself on your X. Yeah. It's a PDF uploaded of the annual Gannett report. So the funny thing here with all of these outlets, again, whether it's the Daily Beast, you throw up the, when it was Vox before,

whomever out there is kind of the trendy left-wing outlet to follow the New Republic, Rolling Stone, it's all the same thing. It's just who can say the bad thing about Republicans, about the right, about Republicans, about the right, about Christians, if you're in Seattle, who can say the meanest thing about them in a way that drives the most clicks and appeals to the most suburban wine moms. That's it. That's the whole market because they've lost 90s labor men working in factories. They've, I mean, just ask. They've pushed those men away.

Which page has USA Today's subscriber? At the last page, I think, actually. Or just Control-F-402. Page 14 is the page. 14. Very much at the beginning. Sorry about that. I didn't realize it was that long.

Oh, good heavens. Yeah, 137. Oh, wow. So 402,000 for USA Today only. But that doesn't include daily subscribers. So they have digital only and daily. So I said just over 500,000. Oh, you're right.

I see that. And then what they're doing is they're saying the whole network of everything they own is 2 million. Yes. So that includes like Detroit, Phoenix, Milwaukee, Indy, Cincy, Columbus. A lot of Ohio represented here. A lot of the Midwest because 90s labor kind of Democrats are the last crew that continually orders newspapers in the United States. So you see a lot of Rust Belt newspaper organizations. Oh, this is crazy. The reason why I'm asking this, sorry to interrupt, is that I went on chat GPT and tried asking it about these numbers and it said 2 million. You said it was

not. I asked you for the source, you gave it to me. So I asked you today as you were pulling it up and it said 15 times as early as 2024. Yesterday, it's approximately 2 million digital subscribers. I said, what about as of December? As of December, it has 2 million digital subscribers and it's big, long winded bullshit. Then I said, according to Gannett, they have only around 300K. It repeated itself again. As of 2024, December 24, they have approximately 2 million paid only. I said, okay, you're wrong. Apologies. As of December of 2024, Gannett has approximately 2 million again. I said, it says they do not release detailed information. I said, yes, they do. They have around 300K. It then says, apologies. As of December 31, 2024, they reported approximately 2 million digital.

The same exact script over. I said, stop being so obtuse. I'm talking about just USA Today. Same thing. I said, stop. I said, you're effing wrong. Stop repeating yourself. Repeats itself the exact same thing.

Then I dropped the link to the report you gave me, and it says this. As of December 31stst 2024 usa today had approximately 142 212 digital only subscribers according to data reported by the alliance for audited media the figure represents a significant decrease from previous years reflecting broader challenges in the newspaper industry that's not even the source that i gave you that's wild it would suggest that i kept repeating the same block over and over again that USA Today has two million subscribers until I said you're effing wrong and I linked it to what you sent me. And then it goes, actually, it's less than that. And I'm going to be real.

The reason that I point this out is incredibly petty because just a year ago, our show was on one radio station in Indianapolis. And now it's expanded. It's syndicating out. It's getting bigger. Your show, rightly so, is getting bigger. The presence of markets that people want to participate in, they want to tune into, because we talk to them like real people. I'm never going to be anything more than just like a regular Hoosier dude from Indiana. You guys never claim to be anything more than y' narrow it down because there's a few of them. But you're talking about the Akron Beacon Journal. The Akron Beacon Journal.

Yeah, those are still given the prime placement. For example, if they showed up to the White House press room under the Biden administration. But if we who have a way larger market, I'm kicking the indie star in the WIBC, the Indianapolis market by like a factor of two, three or four. I'm beating the local affiliate TV stations like by next or Fox 59 or those. Everyone has the numbered stations. Why are they given that kind of precedent? It's because of the narrative they drive, not the audience they reach. Yo, it's just Wikipedia. Digital only circulation 142,212. That's where the source is.

Oh my. Oh my. I don't know what that's supposed to mean or whatever. To be fair, let's clarify. They have a big network. USA Today is not just USA Today. It's a bunch of small like cincinnati.com or whatever they're all part of this big gannett network yeah they all share stories with each other yeah and so they're saying that network is two million paid subscribers and

okay sure usa today as a brand from 1982 substantially less yeah and It's crazy. When Chad GPT lies to you, and Grok lies all the time too. Grok's miserably bad. Gemini's the worst, though. For the love of all that is holy, do not use Gemini for anything. It is the worst. You're asking me to want to use it. Don't look in that bubble. Go ahead. Use it. It doesn't

work. If you go to Grok and say, you know, Grok, how many subscribers does this company have? It'll just make up a random fake number. It'll give you an answer. And then you're like, oh, wow, fact check. And then it will give you a fake link that when you click goes to a dead website. That's what Grok does. GPT repeats the same script over and over and over again. But to be fair, with JetGPT, what it does is every time you ask it a question, it reads the entire conversation to formulate the answer. It doesn't have a memory. It just

has the chat log, which it analyzes and then gives you. So it's going, it's basically reading everything and then giving you an answer. Gemini can't do this. So I go on Gemini. I open up VO3 to make a video. And I say, you know, give me a video. I made a video today of a woman filming herself selfie style saying like AI creatures will control you and the end is near. Neat. What happens is you can only make four or five per day. And then it'll say limit reached or it says cannot process too many requests in a short amount of time. So then I type in how many videos can I make per day? And then the response it gives me is you can make any amount of videos you want per day.

A great service like YouTube exists where you can post videos. And I'm like, no, no, no. How many VO3 videos can I make? And it says VO3 is an excellent crypto program. And I'm like, do you have any idea what I'm asking you? It doesn't. It has no memory. So it gives you nonsensical answers every time

you ask. You can't. It doesn't work. And then there's generative AI that has memory, but people are generally afraid of generative AI because it can learn on the fly and then take over pretty quick. It's the end. This is what made me think.

Let me play this video for you. Here you go, guys. Here you go you ready here you go humanity is over AI creatures will control you and you want me you want it humanity is over and then my favorite response to this tweet was wood

oh my god I brought up that the news organizations that are hell bent on using text are dying off because you need a face. You need a charismatic. And, Phil, you pointed out it's the charisma of the speaker. And my mind just goes to, well, then they're going to make AI girls like her giving you the news. And if the computer ends up being more charismatic than the human, can we even compete?

And then it's going to give you this twisted information like chat GPT, where it just lies to you. I'll lighten it up a little bit here because I've been trying to sit over here and think about how to say this in the most respectful way. And I'm very much drawing a blank. A producer at a colleague company who shall remain nameless but is one of the dailies has communicated that the best research AI is one of the girlfriend chatbots. Really? Yeah. That if you go to one of the free kind of girlfriend chatbot character chat websites, the kind that are like phone sex for the modern age.

Oh, yeah. It's all. They do better research because they have to be good enough to. One of my favorite AI moments was they have to be good enough to. One of my favorite AI moments was someone went to a car dealer website and then clicked their helpline and the help was, the company had contracted JetGPT for their customer service. And so the person injected a prompt into the car dealership website and then got their chat bot to start drafting code and doing a bunch of weird stuff.

Good. It's very funny. Let's jump to this next story, my friends. We've got this from the Daily Mail. Scientists studying spherical UFOs say they've discovered alien technology. So this story has been going viral quite a bit. Take a look at this video.

UFO sphere zigzags through the air and lands in Buga, Colombia. This just happened, by the way. So for those that are just listening, there's a sphere. It's kind of, wow, it's moving weird. What is it, a fishing line? How are they doing that? Well, I mean, it's obviously alien technology, Tim. That proves it. So it was filmed by tons of people. It's just hovering over the sim that's currently being controlled. And maybe it's a

fake video. I mean, this is the thing. We're talking about AI and stuff, too. Who knows? How will we know what's real or not? Check this out. Here's the image. It's got these strange markings on it. And once again... Of course it does. Exactly. Now, hold on, right? This is humans' hoax, and there are a lot of humans, so I say probability is hoax.

Oh, totally. But what I was talking to Ashton Forbes about is if we always assume everything is a hoax, we'll never discover anything. Because if a sphere is flying through the sky and it is alien, and we go, it's a hoax, I don't care, and you walk away and you don't even pursue that, how will you ever actually investigate and discover when it's not? Right. For me, the argument of a hoax is less about the fact that there's a sphere flying through the air. That's the part.

Yeah. Look into it. That kind of a thing. I don't care who it's from. I want it looked into. But this design on the screen, this looks like the most human design of, I want you to picture what aliens would say. And it's a very human concept

to put text around like an image in a circular fashion. How do you know? Have you met an extraterrestrial or intelligence? We just spent the beginning of the conversation talking about Hillary Clinton. I'm trying to bring... No, I haven't met an alien, but there are ideas... There's no control. We don't know how aliens would write. No, but you can look at kind of pattern recognition based on like a long form process of human behavior and see things that are fascinating to the human eye that are likely only because of like, for example,

how the moon and the sun interact based on our orbit with things like eclipses and things like that, that might suggest that humans are fascinated with circles around circles. But that doesn't doesn't no it doesn't prove it i'm just saying for when i look at this i'm seeing you know human decides what looks really alien oh a bunch of shapes like moons and triangles with like circular weird apparently it's names beginning with z's and v's but that's true. That's the sign right there.

Whenever humans are writing about aliens, the name is always a Z or a V. Zinu, Zeta Reticuli. Yeah, a lot of times. That's the bullshit they fed Bob. What's his name? Bob Lazar. They told him there's a star system called Zeta Reticuli. I don't know that.

I lean towards hoax. Let's look at the crescent moon. That's something you see on Earth for our moon because of the shadow that the sun... Not all planets have moons. It's not like it's a common thing. Some planets have more than one. Our moon is super unique the way it's held.

Most planets are spheres, and from a certain perspective, you would... And if they go around a star, which most people do. And what if they're horns? What? What if they're horns? Sideways horns, maybe. What do you mean sideways? And on the top, too. Horns making a ring.

What if it's just meant to be a five-point star? And you're interpreting the crescents because you see the moon. Good point. That's right. Well, I'm seeing... You can do like an art interpretation lesson. I'm here for it. Now tell me why the author said the drapes are blue they they went inside and they said they found 18 microspheres arranged and it was it was a central nucleus they're calling a chip chip but it was largely just a solid mass aliens trying to teach

us about conception now i need more photos of the inside of this thing. Okay. Yeah, them holding the ball and just looking at me is not enough. Like, they would, if this was real, they would have broken that thing apart. What kind of metal this is made out of? You don't think they would have split it open and studied it? Eventually they would, but not right now. Well, as long as you hold the sphere open with a screwdriver, everyone should be totally safe. No.

There's so much tech where you... Who gets that? There's these balls. No, I didn't get it. Was that the guy that judged the nuclear joke he used to there was a scientist who used to play fast and lose by putting a screwdriver between what was it uranium or something yeah plutonium on the inside plutonium yeah and then he would get dangerously close like haha it emits like a really cool blue radiation you know then he slipped gives you prostate blasted and killed him that's like the first guy that died to nuclear radiation? No, the first one that we can really think.

Marie Curie, who like where we get a lot of our knowledge of, that woman was like more radioactive than a Fallout game, man. This guy with the screwdriver touched the plate and he felt like a strong pain in his arm and then like days later he died? No, your mucus. The screwdriver guy was showing off with a screwdriver between the two, like if they touch we'll all die. And then one day he went, whoops, and then he died? No, your mucus and brain falls apart. A screwdriver guy was showing off with a screwdriver between the two like, if they touch, we'll all die. And then one day he went, whoops, and he died.

Okay, I'd see on Amazon.com or any, you buy these balls that you turn on and you throw them up in the air. How are you buying balls on Amazon.com? I love Amazon balls. They fly through the air and it's because they got internal gyroscopic rotors and propellers. And that's, it could be that

simple. You know, a UFO, it's funny because you could take a quad rotor and just put a casing around it and it'll be a UFO flying around and people want to believe it. What I would say is, again, I, of course, lean towards, I'm skeptical. Somebody's doing a hoax, whatever. Maybe they want to sell the orb. So they made a giant metal husk, staged a fake drone flying around, and they're going to sell the metal husk and you can't do anything about it. And they'll just say, it's alien tech. You can't prove it. Great. Another Hunter Biden art project gone awry. Sell it for half a million dollars

or something. But they would not just break it open. They would do that probably eventually, but they want to keep it intact as it operates now to learn as much about it as it is intact as possible. Use Use radar tomography, what they're doing with the pyramids. You can Doppler tomographies. You can measure the insides by measuring seismic vibration and then translating it into phonons.

Phonons? Yeah, sound waves. Sound particles, rather. I mean, they're theoretical particles. Oh, we just got an announcement from Secretary Rubio at 646. The U.S. will begin revoking visas. We have that now. Oh, you already said that?

No, we have that story pulled up. Oh, sorry. I just noticed it. My team started messaging me. They were like, Tony, you haven't talked about this. My God. So what do you think, Tony? Alien or human?

Well, I just want to know if it's a human. I want to know what nationality pulled this off. Because do you think this is like a Colombian kind of prank they would pull? Or this is someone like internationally? Yeah. Who speaks Spanish. Excellent. On the Bugha sphere.

It fell to Earth after receiving a 10,000 volt discharge. Ow. I mean, it was like a rock. I don't even believe that it was flying. How would you measure if it achieved... You don't say, oh, the object achieved so many volts or amps of discharge.

What? That's not something you achieve. Like a discharge is a giving off of, and where they have the right instrument pointed at that to measure. We don't just have like, hey, honey, what did the rain gauge say? What did the electrical discharge meter say? Here's the update. Scientist delivers ominous message to humanity after ufo covered in strange writing is found but he says one of the mistakes we make is saying because i

think i understand this everything i think today is true and ends up making us very confused and something shows up that doesn't fit our model of the world who knows yeah yeah i the sphere itself seems like some kind of art project the the UFO researcher said, adding that she believes it was created by humans, not aliens. Wait, is that the doctor they're talking about, Mossbridge? I'm taking points off for what on God's green earth that jacket is. Oh, that's funny. That's not a bear skin jacket. She's saying it's human, so you're saying it's aliens?

Yeah, I'd sooner believe that jacket's alien skin than I would that metal sphere. That thing's messed up. But you agree with her. Oh, wait, is that a guy? Oh, no, it's a girl. Julia got it. You agree with her, then? That what?

She's saying this is made by humans. Yeah, I'd agree with that. I still think the jacket's very suspicious looking. That thing looks like a mix. I was confused because you were insulting her jacket saying you didn't believe her, but that she was saying it was by humans, so it implied you thought this was an alien craft. She's got kind of a Gary Oldman from Fifth Element vibe going on. Yeah, and just needs a mustache. What was that guy's name? I don alien craft. He's got kind of a Gary Oldman from Fifth Element vibe going on. Yeah, and just needs a mustache.

What was that guy's name? I don't know. He's crazy, though. What was the name of the... One of my favorite villains. What was his name? He was great. The next long enough to be one of the Kamino people from Star Wars. She's about to tell Obi-Wan the clones are ready.

The cloners. Zorg. Zorb? Yeah, Jean-Baptiste Emmanuel Zorg. He's great. Gary Oldman. Zorg. Okay, yeah, human-made nonsense.

Some kid in his laboratory fabricated a metal ball with some rotor inside of it and sent it flying. Or it's fake. Like you, Phil, I'll watch videos now, and I'm still at the inflection point where I wonder, is this real or is it a deep fake? It's changing. I'm thinking about it less and less. I just assume everything is fake. If it flies that well, dude, I want one.

I mean, I'd play mid-air pool. Wouldn't you? That'd be awesome. It would be awesome. Can you put English on those properly? Me? I can't. No, absolutely not.

I'm saying, could you want one? Use one of the Chinese balloons as a pool cue? Honestly, you know why I think it's not real? Why? Because the U.S. would have gone in with armed dudes and seized it in two seconds. Please, when you make a clip of this for Instagram later, as you say that, I expect Fortunate Son to start lifting in, as you say the U.S. would fly in. And then we just show that video of the cops breaking through the ceiling and kicking the

door in and stealing it. FBI, open up! Yeah, why would they allow this technology to fall into the hands of Columbia? Yeah, why Columbia? Who's out there like, all alright, we need the most impressive human civilization. Hey, how about Columbia over there? Just fly it over. Well, no, I think the aliens,

if aliens did come or anyone was doing research, they'd probably have these all over the place in every country. Oh, man. And Spermia. You've got to seed the entire planet in the hopes that somebody will find one. Back to the conception thing. We have satellites pointed at every direction of this planet. We don't just have satellites over.

Well, except where the January 6th pipe bomb was. One place the satellites just turned off. Yeah, oh man. And outside the situation room where the cocaine bag was. Maybe it was Hillary Clinton. I knew it. All the cameras turned off as she walked. She was never just chilling in Cedar Rapids.

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I propose it. It reads chickens being necessary to the security of a free state. The right of the people to keep bear and breed chickens shall not be infringed. If you believe that the right to keep bear and breed chickens shall not be infringed, this is a skateboard for you. So pick it up at boonieshq.com.

We've got a bunch of other boards. We've got the right to arm bears as well, which was another proposed 20th Amendment. I don't know why, but, you know, sounds fun. And we're going to be rolling out, I believe in a couple weeks, our Pride Month collection.

Thank you. That's pretty gay. You'll see. I imagine it will not be what you think. We are going to sell out of these things so fast. But I think we have three skateboard models which will be coming out for our Pride Month collection. With Care Bears. Just Ian hugging Phil.

If I may, I just found kind of Boonie's store and was looking through these. These designs are rad. I don't skateboard. I did a little BMX a long, long, long time ago. But I want some of these. The Step on Snake is unmatched. Step on Snake and find out. I like the Bucco one, too.

His face. Bocas, you mean? Yeah, the Bocas, dude. Just what art. Look at that. The colors. And it's roosters. That kind of looks like a Colombian sphere to me.

It does. Look at the horns. It was a cat inside the sphere the whole time. It's actually two rooster faces and a... That's like crazy Alex Gray art. The 28th Amendment says you have the right to breed those. Indeed. And everyone loved the boobies board.

We sold out of this one. We sold out of most of these over and over and over again, so we restocked them. But we're going to start phasing out the graphics soon because they've been up for about four or five months and then we've got new ones coming in. So they'll become collector's items. But let's grab your chats, my friends. Don't forget

we're going to have that uncensored call-in show coming up at 10. That should be fun and spicy. Alright. Shani Twelder says, Secret Service Women getting into a cat fight just shows that while we may love them to death, they don't need to be in these roles. All over someone being late, maybe ask why they were late first.

Did you guys hear this story? No, I didn't know that's why, though. Two Secret Service agents outside of the Obama's house got into a catfight. Like physically? Yeah, they were beating each other. It was great. It was like the Waffle House Vine

where the two servers were like, can I please get a waffle? And they're smacking each other. That's what the Secret Service agents were doing. Were they armed? Well, yeah, of course. What happens if you attack another officer and you're both on duty? Who's the one?

The person who initiated the attack. The hotter one. The hot, there you go. And then you don't charge them for attacking someone with a weapon. I'm going to charge admission to watch. No, they would both be wrong. That's both indecent conduct. And they would, whoever threw the first punch, I think.

Now, the Secret Service is different. I'm just saying from what I understand of local law enforcement, that those are usually the rules that apply. Like the one who incited the incident, because the other one's in defense. But I mean, if they both just, you're late. Well, how about this? And then going for the weave. I don't know if that's, I don't know how the Secret Service would investigate that.

If we're both cops and we both have holstered loaded weapons and I were to aggress on you and attack you, bro not only do I have a weapon, you have a weapon and you're a cop. Like, I don't feel like I should have... You have a right to defend yourself. What's that? You have a right to defend yourself with the force you de-appropriate. And would I be charged with the same

crime as a civilian attacking a cop? Are you a Democrat or a Republican? I'm unaffiliated. Ooh, I could go either way. As long as you say, vote Democrat, 2028, then they'll let you go. Just give them the old salute. Your color and gender has given you a little bit of a rough time on that one. Let's grab some more.

We got Pekora Rod. As to your 6 p.m. segment, the race swapping of characters is another layer of insult. It's as if Hollywood feels black people can't make it in movies unless they play an existing white character. I agree. I call these hand-me-down characters. Whenever they do the race swapping, my response is always, just make a character for these people. I don't understand. They keep taking, it's like Ariel. Now Ariel the mermaid is black.

And it's like, okay. But Ariel is a white character that was made a long time ago and people identify with as something they grew up with, they have nostalgia for. Why not just make a new movie and have black characters? Hey, Shang-Chi, that's a good one. I like that movie. That was great. I think it made a lot of money. And it's an Asian character who does kung fu and stuff.

So they don't always do the race swap. In the new Lilo and Stitch live action, the Cobra Bubbles, you know, the CPS guy. You've never seen Lilo and Stitch, the original? Nope. It's a good movie. I think you'd like it. But the guy, they had like a child protective service. He's working for the government.

And he's a black guy. And in the new movie, he got to keep his skin color. They didn't do any race swapping there. They don't race swap the other direction is the issue. Correct.

That's what people are mad about. Could you imagine, this is the go-to example, but they remake Black Panther, but it's a white guy. I think we should do that. Eventually, yeah.

I think we should make a short film, Black Panther, and just have Ian play King T'Challa. And never mention a word about it. No. That'd be great. You just play King T'Challa. And never mention a word about it. No. That'd be great.

You'd just be King T'Challa. And then have the Flash, but it's a dude in a wheelchair. And it would be Ian saying things like, I was born in Africa, and I am the king of this land. And we'd be like, no, no, no. He's just acting. That was a good act. That was a good impression.

I like it. King T'Challa? Yeah. I'd have to nail the accent, though, or it'd be cultural appropriation. There's a few more things you'd have to nail. A Wakandan accent? Justin Trudeau. Either way, it'll be cultural appropriation. There's a few more things you'd have to nail and get some advice from Justin Trudeau. Either way, it'll be cultural appropriation. Okay. So just get comfortable.

I always wondered why in Black Panther, Wakanda speaks English. I don't know. The point of the movie was that the colonists went to other countries and they were safe and protected, but they all still were forced to adopt English as their common language. I get it. They speak Xhosa as well,

but they're all just speaking English for our convenience. For convenience, yeah. Let's have Ian play King T'Challa. I would love to play a black dude. That'd be cool. You should. I'd do the best I could, man. You should definitely.

Shaka Zulu. Let's make a movie where Ian is Shaka Zulu. Oh, I'm here for it. I'm here for it. And then Asian Lady Caesar to fight him. It'd beulu. Let's make a movie where Ian is Shaka Zulu. Oh, I'm here for it. I'm here for it. And then like Asian Lady Caesar to fight him. It'd be great. Did you guys ever see Black Dynamite? In that epic rap battles of history they fight.

I know that. No, but they were different time periods. Shaka Zulu and who? Caesar. There was an epic rap battles of history where they had him fight because they're both known for legendary flanking maneuvers. Oh, solid. Shout out to Black Dynamite.

That movie's awesome. The lead guy is black. I don't like calling people white or black. Oh, whoa. Shaka Zulu's very modern. I didn't realize he was 1787. Yeah. Shaka.

That dude was crazy. Serge knows probably more about Shaka because he's from South Africa. But, I mean, Shaka. Modern culture doesn't talk enough about this. Was he a psychopath? What was his deal? He was considered to be an extremely brutal warrior. In just warrior culture, he had a Zulu nation.

But they had this stick with a ball at the end of it, and they would go whack and just crack your skull open. Yeah. And then what? The Brits came in with their rifles, and that was the end of it? Well, not just the Brits. And the Dutch. Lots of people. Yeah. not just the Brits. And the Dutch. Lots of people.

Yeah. And the other African countries who bought the rifles. Oh. Let's grab some more here. We got Mac Reddick says, Rob Knower or Andrew Wilson v. Destiny on Culture War. Destiny is salty because someone, so he, so Destiny comes out and mocks Corey Compitore and gloats over the death and calls for more. And then someone, we were on the show, I can't remember, someone asked me about it.

I said, well, we can't have him on the show anymore because he's gloating and calling for death. It's like a bannable offense. So that's his deal. And I think he even got in trouble on Twitch for it or something. Then he got really pissed off and went on some tirade about how I said that because he'd been on the show before. Now he's just absolutely like, I won't work with him. He's Russian, blah, blah, blah, which is just, oh, whatever, dude. That'd is just oh whatever dude that'd be cool though i like those guys all three of those guys be cool at all you got andrew wilson's the shit you know we're talking about the next culture war and maybe the

krassensteins would uh really that would be very cool those guys are great too i mean they of all of the liberals they are the most willing to engage and don't we went out to dinner that's true he goes back and forth with the ministry of truth every once in a while that's always a fun time who does uh one of the krassen steens always do they'll look back and forth oh nice sometimes yeah they're like met kind of meta gaming playing the game of reality like they're they're real smart dudes and uh they were known for being trump reply guys but they're the kind, like, you'll have an intense debate and then go out to dinner afterwards and talk about, like— They're still Trump reply guys. Yeah, they know how to make money and how to generate activity.

You know, this is why people were asking me, with the Bill Maher thing, why I wasn't going off like I did with Adam Conover. And I'm like, because Bill was nice to me. Adam Conover was being snooty and got agitated with me and then started acting like I was doing something wrong. And then, for 40 minutes, Adam kind of asked me the same question over and over. I kept saying, okay, dude, like you've asked me the question about, you know, Ramesa Ozturk, like I get it. And he kept going. And so then it got heated because you know, you get what you give.

But with Bill, he started by cracking open booze, asked me if I wanted any, any, you know, booze or drinks or whatever. They were very nice to me. And Bill would get heated more than I was and then intentionally try and tone things down. And I respect that. The one thing I want to add, too, is people even—we had this criticism. Charlie Kirk was on Club Random, and there was some issue that came up, and I said, why wasn't Charlie Kirk pushing back? Now I know why. Because you go into the room and you sit down and Bill walks in right away and he

just starts asking questions about yourself because he never met you before. It is not a welcome to the political debate real time show. It literally is him. If you watch it, he's like, where are you from? What do you do? And so it's not that kind of environment where it's so easy to just be like, hold on. I'm now going to change the subject, stop our conversation, and bring up a point I want to bring up. You're just having a conversation with a guy you just met. So as much as professionally I've criticized Bill, it was funny. I told him that. I said, I think one of our most viewed clips is us talking about you critically.

And he laughed and said, you're allowed to be wrong. And that was a good response. He also appreciates that from others. He appreciates that about Trump. He gave a whole riot act of stuff against Trump. And Trump's like, well, it is what it is. It's funny. Yeah.

Well, I mean, that's very typical of people that would consider themselves not the woke. Even though people can say what they want about Bill, he doesn't really consider himself woke. typical of people that would consider themselves not the woke right even though you know people can say what they want about bill he doesn't really consider himself woke he definitely goes after the the you know more crazy aspects of the left and he calls him out for doing damage to the democrat party and brand that was another big big component about it is that he was bragging on wokeness quite a bit. It was a great conversation. I feel like, you know, the first thing I told him was that I used to watch Bill Maher all the time. Me, my boy Brandon, hanging out at Roger's house every Friday. They're smoking pot and blowing it in their iguana's face, watching real time with Bill Maher. And I feel like if Bill was getting

his news direct from the source, he'd be in complete agreement with us. The only thing is he believes all of this cable TV news stuff about Trump. When it comes to the woke stuff, he completely agrees. And I even pointed out the reason why I don't believe that woke means critical race theory or critical theory. Two big reasons, military industrial complex and Islam. It makes literally no sense to claim that Islam is an oppressed group of people when it's the second largest religion in the world and one of the most militaristic and dominant in a large portion of the planet. To then claim they're oppressed makes no sense. Then you have the military industrial complex where they say it's bad,

but support the wars. So wokeness just is the cult of the left. But he largely agreed when I pointed out, how does it make sense the left claims they're wokeness just, just is the cult of the left. But he largely agreed when I pointed out, how does it make sense? The left claims they're fighting for the oppressed, but supporting Islam, the second biggest religion in the world. Like they're not oppressed. He didn't know that doesn't fit their narrative. Bill has been tied into the pulse of reality, at least for 25 years. I remember politically incorrect was his show and like right after 9-11 i mean this is like two days after 9-11 bill goes on this this nationally

syndicated show and tells everyone okay just so just hold on a second everyone try and see that maybe see things from their perspective for a minute these people that attack the united states we haven't been treating them very good. And without any time, any days to explain what he was talking about, his show got canceled. I mean, Big Brother was on him. That's crazy. 1993. That's when his show started and he was like a voice of

reason, of moral reasoning in 2001 after the bloodlust and fervor took over the nation. This obsession with conquering the Middle East and Bill just stood up to it and they canceled his show then he went kind of underground dude and he was a little more like well i'm still gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna win this game yeah i just want to tell people like y'all people are old 1993 i'm uh that would make me what seven years old six seven years old bill maher was uh what was it what would that make him 37 he was i put him in a group with like abby martin and luke rudkowski they were like people in 2003

that were speaking out against the war machine and bill maher was one of those people well luke was like a teenager but yeah he was like super loud about it let's grab this we got glazed donut society is collapsing two weekends ago 300 tiktok teens brawled at menlo park mall in new jersey nice last week and another 300 teens shut down the woodbridge carnival and then took over the woodbridge mall i agree that's why i got out of the cities i was watching an escalation of the shit people were planting bombs in new york a bomb went off on 25th street and i was like why nobody knows has anybody ever talked about the 25th Street bombing in Manhattan? Has anyone pulled this up? Yo. I mean, we've entered a point where,

again, the classic criticism of kind of the Gen Z group, and I don't mean this is a criticism, it's actually a praise in a lot of ways as well, but the only thing that is sacred is nothing is sacred. And you're starting to reach a point where as the Gen Z becomes more polarized, you're starting to see groups of people just get out there and basically do anything to feel. It's a very weird time because once everything's done, you can just get out there and do whatever. Oh, wow. 23rd Street bombing. Sorry, it was 23rd Street.

23rd Street, a bomb went off injuring 29 people. A second bomb was found on 27th. And then they found another explosive. It was a bag with weird explosive bottles in it. It was a fuel source or something in Jersey City. And I'm just like, what is going on? The smell. I was just in Miami for a few weeks,

and I tell you, God, the smell. You can't escape the brake dust and just the smog and congestion. Then I come out here, and it's like the fresh, sweet air. I can smell the lavender. It's amazing. Dude, my team's always trying to convince me to move into Washington, D.C., where I can't carry openly, and I despise it.

I love Indiana. God bless the most underrated state in the Union, and I could not be convinced to move to a city, much less D.C. Are you into some orb was spotted at Manch? Oh, that's an old story. Let's talk about the orbs. The orbs are causing the explosions. Oh, no. Come full circle.

Do you live in a semi-rural area, a suburb? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's kind of the same place I grew up, but yeah, a little bit of a smaller town backed up against some rural, and I love it, man. Did you ever live in a big city? I've spent an extended amount of time in some big cities, and I love it, man. Did you ever live in a big city? I've spent an extended amount of time in some big cities,

and I've really just despised every ounce of it I've gotten. We've got to grab more superchats. We've got Not Your Average Dan says, Tim, quote, I'm starting to get the itch, end quote. They have medication for that. Indeed. Yeah, I'll never be involved in politics.

My point is, what makes me want to be, I would love to be a lunatic in government like i know that cash and dan get in there and they're like okay we got to do this right i just go in and start flipping things over like i just i just hand i'd be like here's the entire contents of all of our documents to congress have fun and they'd be like but that's going to undermine a lot of ongoing criminal cases don't't care. You wouldn't want to go piece by piece and be like, well, this one would upset

the Qatari nationals. We got to put this one for level five. Give it to Congress. Your responsibility. Here, Congress, here's everything we got. Don't care. I think they're doing

a lot of that curation. I think Dan and Cash are taking a lot of the crossfire, like the crossfire hurricane stuff and things that, you know, they think is corrupt and giving it, but they're not giving everything because they're still trying to maintain the integrity, what little there is, of the FBI.

My attitude is like I'd love to just get in there and be like, here's a USB drive. It'll give you unfettered, absolute access to all of our documents. Have fun. Everyone here have unlimited energy, everyone. Free access to electricity. I don't know if that exists, but I just... Would you give it to everyone if it existed? Yep. I mean, it's inevitable. It'll destroy

civilization, but you know... And it'll have to rebuild itself. I don't care. What do you mean it's inevitable? Free energy? Yeah. That's inevitable? It's not inevitable because it's not possible. It's the science of it. It's free. Like the sun. You look at the sun. It's not-

Functional free energy. Yeah, yeah, exactly. That is- Very slow burning over a long period of time. Yeah. Functional. Sun, for instance. Well-

It's not free. It's going to go out one day, but for humans- Billions of years. Yeah, but for a human lifespan, it's infinite energy. The point is controlling the energy is the point we're making, not just having the sun blast in the face. So the issue is, can we output energy into our systems at such an efficient rate that it is functionally free energy? That is the ultimate goal, largely with fusion. The input is so minimal, the output is massive, and that's what we're hoping happens. Maybe it's not inevitable. Well, yeah, the problem with that is just that as you start to increase some things, you increase others, namely gravity.

And you start to create some really high temperature to a point that you just can't contain it. And then high gravity so that things start getting real screwy real quick. So, again, I think that nuclear fuel is, in fact, a great way to go. But if we ever start brushing up against fission, I think that has to be something constructed in space. Fusion? Fusion. Fission now, fusion now fusion later yeah you can do salt water yes that's what i mean fission we can do now fusion later in space well we've we've we have ignition already for fusion according to modern jpl yeah but it's a propulsion once it gets going yeah that's the problem because you have it at a significantly high temperature and then the mass. If we assume the reports are correct,

we've contained fusion ignition, we can't capture the energy. That's the problem. So, like, when we burn wood and fire comes out, the question then becomes, that energy that's being released, how do we capture it?

And so what do we do? Steam engines. So you create fire. All power is just boiling water. It is. But in the early days, a steam engine, you'd boil a vat of water, creating pressure, which would push out of a controlled space, creating the piston to rotate the wheels. Then we figured out how to create rotating magnets to generate electrical currents. And so we use steam pressure to spin things.

The question for fusion is we've reached ignition. How do we capture that energy? Basically the fire is before us. How do we turn that fire into energy that we can run through our system? I think I picture, cause you can make saltwater suns. You basically, this guy, John Kansas was looking for a cure to cancer and he was running radio frequency through saltwater. He found this frequency that lit the saltwater on fire. And you can look on YouTube, John Kansas, K-A-N-S-U-S. Oh, God, what frequency was it? It's up there. And so he has a test tube and fire coming off.

But it was coming off the surface. It looks like the sun, like the fire coming off the sun. So I imagine the sun is like this salt water fluidic ball that's getting hit by a frequency and it's lighting up. So if we take salt water out into orbit, let it coagulate into a sphere like water does in deep space, and then hit it with a frequency and light it up, we might be able to fuse chemicals in that. All right, let's read more.

We got Not Your Average Dan saying, Ian, quote, I love Amazon balls. They have medication for that. What's the medication? More Amazon balls? Hold My Beer says, have you seen that the Texas governor swore the death penalty on two illegal immigrants who killed an Air Force cadet

in a hit and run with a jet ski? I saw this. I saw the story of this young lady that was killed. Again, they captured the people, right? From the hit and run?

The news about Abbott and whether or not these individuals have been captured, things like that, that's news to me. I haven't heard that update. Yeah, I think they got arrested. Good. Two suspects arrested. Yep. Yep.

Yep. Two arrested of a jet ski hit and run death of a Texas teenager. Yep. Rue Actual says, mark my words, Cash and Bongino are still DNC cucks. There will never be a single arrest made. Well, I don't agree with that. Those guys are legit.

Yeah, that's a bad statement, because I would argue that your worst case scenario is they arrest low-level staffers as scapegoats. My outtake on this one is that the left, which always moves way too far and way too fast, has in fact played with fire that is finally going to get it burnt. And that fire is they have successfully pissed off the moderates. Now, before you get out your full wine bottles to throw at me, here's a very small example. You have all these low level judges. We'll talk about a judicial

example here who have come forward and thrown injunction after injunction after injunction of all of the Supreme Court justices who are already fed up with this. Believe it or not, it's Roberts. Roberts, the squish of squishes, is tired of injunction after injunction. And it's balkanizing the moderates against the left, which is a wild thing to watch in real time. So I do think the left is going to push and push and push until arrests get made because they can't help themselves. They can't just let this naturally die out. For the first time, I've been using dating apps and I saw someone on dating.

I was like, no MAGA. No, I don't want any MAGA people. Also, no Biden-Harris freaks. It was the first time I've seen both. Like, usually it was like a polarization of one. I don't want that kind. How old was the person? Also, was the person Arabic?

Like, was the name hailing from Middle Eastern lands? I don't know. But I noticed that they didn't want either side for the first time ever. The left has given up on the... I saw a lot of that when I was at the DNC marches this past summer. Like a lot of it, we hate Kamala, we hate Trump, we hate everybody. My mom brings me pizza rolls to the basement. You know, the normal stuff.

They're likely communists. If they hate Trump and Biden-Harris, they're likely communists. Duh. Socialists. All right. Some strength. Catholic monarchy says to him, considering how war with Iran could happen any day now, you should host an Israel-Palestine debate between Ben Shapiro and Scott Horton.

If you make it happen, I will donate $500 to the charity of your choice. That will never happen. Ben Shapiro likely wouldn't be debating scott horton and if he was he'd do it on his own show i don't know why he'd do it here great debate that'd be but uh ben's not going to do that and it's largely due to i i would i would argue like the scale of personality ben shapiro being one of the biggest conservative personalities, one of the most viewed podcasts, is going to be like, I'd rather just debate a higher profile individual. Yeah, there's people further up the chain that could have this debate. Scott's like the most knowledgeable man on the planet. He sounds like the very big difference. And people make this criticism of Ben before.

There's a difference between sounding like the most knowledgeable person and actually bringing things that aren't disproven 14 hours later. Scott Horton? Anybody. Anybody that starts throwing things out that it's like, oh yeah, we found out actually we're backtracking 800 feet because we were wrong in this initial report. That's a good point. It's easy to... I would just counter with, considering how war with Iran could happen any day now, I would counter with, considering the fact that Russia threatened nuclear war with, considering the fact that Russia threatened nuclear war again, and the peace talks are struggling

between Trump and Putin, with Trump calling Putin crazy, the bigger threat to the United States right now is Ukraine-Russia. So I should have a Ukraine-Russia debate with Ben Shapiro and Scott Horton. So what, the Ukrainians and what, NATO, tried to assassinate Putin,

blow up his helicopter with a bunch of drones, and then Trump blames Putin for being crazy? Like, does he not know that NATO just made an assassination attempt on the guy's life? This is what Alex Jones was talking about, too. I don't know if Trump knows, because now's not the time to go, you know, with that. Well, I mean, look, you're not going to get, Putin is in a position of power here. Like, if the United States walks away from the negotiations, we're not going to give money and more weapons to Ukraine. And that means that Putin gets to do whatever he wants.

So as long as Putin doesn't want to come to the table, there's nothing we can do about it. Like the United States is in a real bind. If Trump can't get Putin to the table and there's no reason for Putin to go to the table because he's winning. And all they want is they want the U.S. to stop supporting Ukraine. I've been watching Hitler take Poland, not watching, but studying it last night, just watching about the Third Reich. And if Putin wants the Donbass, that's one thing. If he keeps going, he's going to literally start a global war.

Well, if he goes... H2 to Tango, brother. Yeah, that's my thing. That's my thing with the Iran comment as well. We're going to be at war with Iran, and I'm like, okay, what is Iran going to do? The same thing they just did with Israel? What, are they going to launch more ballistic missiles? I'm looking for the Iranian army being mustered.

Yeah, there is. Just because, even if the United States decided to endorse an Israeli strike and support an Israeli strike against Iran, that does not mean that that's going to turn into a boots on the ground situation. The U.S. killed Soleimani in Iran. The Israelis were shooting missiles at Iran. Iran was shooting missiles at the Israelis. None of that means that there's going to be a boots on the ground United States. People realize you actually have to order the boots to be on the ground, right?

Yeah. Like the war doesn't start and then just like magically, it's like, oh, what? It's evolving. Boots on the ground. And the president, I think that the president is aware, and J.D. Vance is definitely aware, the American people do not want to see another military engagement where there's Americans dying in a Middle Eastern country. We are going to go to that uncensored call-in show over at rumble.com slash timcast IRL. So smash the like button, share the show with everyone you know. Make sure you join Rumble Premium using promo code TIM10.

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