Timcast IRL - GOP Office TORCHED In TERROR Attack, Elon Says ARREST Dem Funders w/Winston Marshall

Episode Date: April 1, 2025

Tim, Brett, & Libby are joined by Winston Marshall to discuss the New Mexico GOP office being targeted in a suspected arson attack, Elon Musk calling for arresting mega donors behind anti tesla protests, an unhinged threatening violence against ICE agents, and how CBP helped facilitate child trafficking under Joe Biden. Hosts: Tim @Timcast (everywhere) Brett ⁨@PopCultureCrisis⁩ (YouTube) Libby @LibbyEmmons (X) Serge @SergeDotCom (everywhere) Guest: Winston Marshall @MrWinMarshall (X) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The GOP office in New Mexico appears to have been set on fire in an act of terrorism. Leftist graffiti was found likening ice to the KKK. And I think the fair assessment is that it was a terror attack on the GOP. We don't know for sure just yet, but it looks like that is the case. Elon Musk is now calling for those funding the attacks on Tesla, the protests to be criminally charged. He says, don't just go after the puppets, go after the people that are setting them on the loose. So it's pretty crazy, my friends. And then because it's funny, Donald Trump has MSNBC losing their minds because he said he's not joking. He's going to run for a third term,

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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Winston Marshall. Hi, great to be back on the show and a special hello to your wonderful viewers. I had a wonderful time with you down in Austin last time and it's great to see the actual lad pad. Absolutely. Who are you? What do you do? I am a musician from London. I have a show, a politics show called the Winston Marshall Show. And we do, we cover similar topics, but obviously a lot more British stuff as well. What's going on in Europe, a lot of populism stuff and general, the fight back as you have

been doing over here. Although ours is a lot less promising in Britain, our fight back seems to be just going incredibly badly and And any opposition are constantly within their own little civil wars going on. So yeah, Europe is in quite some trouble, but we kind of cover that over there. Aside from being a learned man with a political show, you're actually quite a successful musician, in fact. Oh, if you say so. Absolutely.

Well, I very much enjoy listening to your music. Oh, thank you and um it's it's very much the kind of music i was listening to in the in the 90s when i was a kid yeah that's how i've kind of got a little bit uh um sentimental uh hearing it um but yeah i was i was in the band called muffin and sons for uh 14 years and uh we had a great time and made a few records toward your great country. We never played in West Virginia. I'm very happy to be here finally in West Virginia. We played probably about 40 states otherwise.

So saw a lot of it. And that's why I grew to love your country. West Virginia particularly. Well, it's going to be fun. Thanks for hanging out. We got Libby hanging out as well. I'm Libby Emmons. I'm hanging out.

Nice to see you again, Winstonston it's been a minute um i'm with the post millennial and humanevents.com yes it is i am here normally doing pop culture crisis monday through friday at 3 p.m but i am here filling in for phil tonight phil ingham filling it all right let's get to the news, my friends. From the AP, the first story. This is crazy. Fire at New Mexico GOP headquarters under investigation as arson. Yeah, okay. There's graffiti where it says ice equals KKK. And I'm pretty sure everybody knows exactly what this is. The temperature in this country has been slowly coming to a boil.

And hopefully it does not get worse than this. But considering the Tesla attacks, we have this story from the AP. A fire that damaged the entryway to the New Mexico Republican Party headquarters in Albuquerque is being investigated as arson. No suspects have been named in the Sunday morning blaze, but that's under investigation by local authorities, the FBI, and the ATF. Incendiary materials were found on the scene, according to an ATF spokesperson. Spray paint on the side of the building read ice equals KKK, said Lieutenant Jason Fair with Albuquerque Fire Rescue. Fair said federal officials were taking over the arson investigation during a Monday press conference in front of the burned entryway, which was covered with plywood and had two burned doors propped against it, Republican leaders described the fire

as a deliberate attack. They sought to link the blaze to an ongoing crime crisis in New Mexico, including a shooting earlier this month in Las Cruces that left three people dead. Republican lawmakers have recently urged Democratic Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham to exercise her authority to bring the legislators back to the Capitol to seek solutions to the violence. But this seems political. We don't see these attacks on Democrat facilities. No, we don't.

We don't typically see that. And it's interesting that for four years you had Democrats freaking out about January 6th because that was actually the only thing they could point to. And every time you have leftists going after Republicans, it's months and months of stuff. You can hardly even count how many incidents there are. Also, the average person just doesn't hear about it. They just don't.

They just don't hear about it. They just don't hear about this stuff. Why? Because it just doesn't show up on CNN and NBC and ABC and CBS and PBS. There's one thing I'll note on this, and I've been following what's going on with the Tesla attacks. There's only one prominent Democrat, I think maybe only one Democrat full stop, who's spoken out against that, and that's Ro Khanna.

And I looked into this. Pelosi has been asked about it, but has kind of avoided answering the question. Why is it so hard to not condemn this stuff? How can we expect it to stop? Why are they so terrified in condemning it? And I mean, Pelosi, if someone like that, we remember what happened in Portland. She stopped the National Guard from going in. Even Trump set her in.

So she has a record there. But the other thing, if I can zoom out for one moment on this, is I remember in the heady days of January 2025 when I was told woke is dead. I was told that this election means that woke has finally been defeated and Trump had all these executive orders that anti-work, but we're seeing what I remember in 2020 as the extreme side of wokeism. We're seeing a reemergence of this far left extremism. And it, this is only two months in, I mean,

we're in a third month of the Trump election. So the woke being dead thing is a reference to Trump gutting it institutionally. Sure. Meaning these institutions should not be implementing DEI policies and things like this. Yes. And private corporations abandoning this stuff. Yes. But in terms of what they're doing amongst themselves and how they react to it at the administrative level, they are still attacking through lawfare and in the street level, they are still engaged in violence. Yes. So what I see here is that things like Trump won the war on DEI. He won the war on some of these other specific topics. Let's say Me Too. There's no chance of that coming back.

But if we're seeing this emerging here, I think that we'll see woke come out with a new face. I think this is just the beginning. We're only two months in. I mean, even at the policy level, I don't even necessarily know if you could say that he defeated them because a lot of it is these companies are just shifting definitions. They're making their corporate structure around these types of policies even more opaque and hard to define. So it gets reimagined as bridge rather than DEI, things like that. this it's kind of analogous to what's going on in hollywood which is uh disney is currently under investigation by the fcc because they believe that they're still engaging in these types of uh racially based dei policies but at the level of the studios and what they're creating most of them

are still all in on creating stuff like this the only reason some of it was gutted was because a lot of the studios that were at least a little bit smarter understood that the money was not going that way so just gave them an let it let trump be the excuse to get rid of it but like you like we were talking about before the show went on the air which is that this stuff wasn't happening necessarily while biden was in office because people weren't primed the same way they are now that trump is back in office and all of their existential dread that is being kind of reamplified every day by the news, it's going to get worse, especially as the as the weather gets nicer and it's easier for people to go outside. Riot season. It's going to get it's right. Riot season. Yeah. And they didn't need to do all the riots during Biden because they were getting what they wanted.

But I do think it's important to remember that even though we are going to see this kind of violence and even though we see it with this GOP headquarters and all of the Teslas and the Tesla dealerships and all of the boomers going around dancing and thinking that they're actually getting something done, it's still a relatively small amount of people. And these are the small amount of people that make a huge amount of noise. Did you all see the people dancing in front of the Tesla that coordinated dance or whatever? Yeah, I would. Hot was so hot. I'd appreciate if that's all they did. I'd be dance or whatever? Yeah, it was hot. It was so hot. Well, I'd appreciate it if that's all they did. I'd be like, oh, well, you got me.

Well, if you want to go dance around in front of Tesla or protest, you know, protest, but don't be destroying people's property and don't be, you know, going in and disrupting all of the business. Make your point in a politically protest-y type of way, as is traditionally done. What was worse, that or the dancing nurses during COVID? Oh, my goodness. The dancing nurses were dancing on graves. Yeah, that was pretty bad. The doctors were almost worse than the nurses, too.

Yeah, there were videos of, there were some black women who were filming, and they were like, is this why I can't get any service right now? And they were filming is this why i can't get any service right now and they were filming people producing a dance so it's like people who actually need help at hospital were looking at nurses staging a dance out of doing their jobs that was just disgusting disgusting and then musicians who should have been playing shows where people could actually dance or shut down because

they weren't allowed to perform but that's okay because they were playing Imagine, each of them, in their remote location. I mean, that's the real reason people should be mad at Gal Gadot. That was so spectacular. Yeah. I mean, that was, I found that offensive. The Imagine from your beautiful backyard. I'm like stuck in my apartment. She's not American though, so she probably doesn't understand as much as we do how awful that song is. I remember during the, at that time time the WHO reaching out to do, can you come and play for us? This is right at the beginning of the pandemic.

Can you come and play for us? Because we're trying to, you know, spend love or whatever. And what they were actually doing was trying to whitewash their own reputation, bandwash, artist wash their reputation, using people like Lady Gaga and everything to, and it's a bit of a tangential point. their own reputation, band wash, artists wash their reputation using their people like Lady Gaga and everything to, I mean it's a bit of a tangential point. Like play where? Like at events? You play from your bedroom.

Oh, so it was a... Streaming their little concerts like... The ultimate bed in. I mean it should have been, you know, it should have been the thing. It was like an homage to Lennon and Yoko. Yeah. I come to America and I don't think it's quite um reconciled itself with what happened from 2020 through the pandemic through blm all the people killed in that period all the damage done i it just i feel like it's being it's been completely ignored and

memory hold by liberal types and i think even conservatives it's like we don't want to go back there it's too tiring just the conservatives and it's not just the liberals it's readers um readers don't want to read it yeah when we found that the post-millennial about like rehash of covid here's some stuff that were revealed now and then if you know people are interested in it but when you say somebody has finally admitted that the you know virus was perhaps created in a lab in wuhan everyone's just like meh like well we knew that we knew that yeah the thing is a lot of people did a lot of people didn't though sure but like readers of the post-millennial they are pretty smart they knew that you know or the stuff about um you know lockdowns were not actually effective

masking was bad pulling kids out of school was not a good thing. Everyone's like, yeah, like, welcome to four years ago. Arguably, the only people who they'd want to hear, like your readers specifically, the only people they would want to hear that from are people who don't write from the post-millennial. They'll want to hear it from people who took the opposing perspective back in 2020. They don't want to hear it from people who always knew. They want to hear it from people who wouldn't admit it before and need to. Yeah, wait for Gavin. Well, but when the podcast episode, when The New York Times finally ran that story, everyone said, how dare you?

Like, what do you take us for? It's like, what was it like? We were all fooled or whatever. And they're like, we, we, it was you. You guys tried to fool us. I'm wondering the violence that we're seeing. So spring has only just begun. And the test has just sprung. Spring has just sprung.

Spring has just sprung. And the terror attacks were happening well before spring started, which is uncharacteristic. Typically, the riders wait till it's warm out. But they were actually coming out while it was still cold, which has me worried that we might actually see a potentially hot summer. A lot of violence. Depends on if there's like a really, really bad precipitating incident like in 2020. Like the George Floyd thing? Yeah. Well, I mean, you lock people in their homes for several months, then give them a George Floyd and they'll anything that can be a catalyst or a spark for their anger that already exists. It's also weird because to

me, I was always kind of led to believe growing up. If you're not politically inclined, you're led to believe that the right is the violent side. Right. Mainly because of stuff in the 90s. White supremacist extremism. Yeah. I mean, there's actually going to be a Timothy McVeigh movie coming out this year that I'm very, very interested to see. I don't know who that is.

He's – Well, you're British. Oklahoma City bombing in 93. So there's a movie coming out about it. He blew up a federal building. Oh, okay, yes. Which is where, you know, between that and other things that happened in America in the 90s, the right gets that idea of being politically more violent.

He's the one who wrote that manifesto on technology, right? That was him? Isn't that the Unabomber? That was the Unabomber. Ah, okay, okay. I went down a rabbit hole reading about Ted Kaczynski. Wasn't he like anthrax attacks? Who?

He was the Unabomber. It was bombing. It was bombs. Okay, I guess that's why he's called the Unabomber. And he was like riding all this. Anthrax was the stuff to the government. To the government, right, right. That's crazy, man.

He got it. But I'm saying like the political landscape has changed dramatically since the 90s but a lot of people are still stuck in that pattern of not really understanding just how far left uh the violence has become in this country yeah that's pretty interesting indeed well let's jump to this next story from fortune elon musk calls for the arrest of those he claims are funding anti-Tesla protests. I appreciate Fortune for actually getting it right, because even though Elon Musk said those funding it, almost every outlet reported he was calling for the organizers to be arrested. There's a big difference because Elon has accused Soros and Reid Hoffman, among others,

of indirectly funding these protests. They say an emboldened Elon Musk is ratcheting up pressure on the anti-Tesla demonstrations. They say since Sunday, on Sunday, Musk, whose company is expected to report on Wednesday its worst quarterly car sales, thanks, Fortune, did not seem satisfied with leaving it there. He argued going after low-level perps is the law enforcement equivalent of whack-a-mole. Lock one up for criminal for 20 years, another will pop up. In his view, they are little more than pawns acting at the behest of Tessaccio's wealthy Democratic opponents.

They say arresting their puppets and paid foot soldiers won't stop there. It's time to arrest those funding the attacks. Former Wall Street general reporter Asrat Nomani fed these suspicions this weekend when she claimed to have found evidence of at least two dozen largely tax exempt organizations, all supposedly aligned with Democratic the Democratic Party, were compensating protesters for their time. Her allegations were picked up by the Trump family outlets Fox News and Zero Hedge as evidence the protests are not genuine, but astroturfed. So the important thing here is they mentioned LinkedIn co-founder forced to deny Musk's claim of involvement. But Elon said, Reed will have many layers between himself and the organizations attacking me.

But the probability is 100 percent that Reed is funding them. That's a very bold statement because it opens them up to defamation were it not true. But this is big. This is Elon Musk saying saying arrest Democrat mega donors. I consider this to be worrying escalation, worrying escalation from Elon Musk from the in the culture war in general. Yeah. Well, I mean, if it's true that they're funding these these protests which turn violent or inspire violence, drum this sentiment up. That's terrifying all the same. And I'm not saying Elon Musk's wrong

to say go after people that are that are funding these protests or anything like that. The challenge is these protests are not the same as the terror attacks. If somebody wants to provide resources so people can protest, what are you going to do about it? Yeah, that's a free speech thing. Absolutely. And then if people after the fact engage in terror because the sentiment was built up by these protests, we know what the Democrat mega donors are and are wanting to do. Should it be the case? You don't fund these things. Is he definitely saying defund the protests or is he was that a sort of maybe he got the wording wrong and he meant to say the attacks on Tesla's? What do you mean because he says arrest the people funding it

funding the protests arresting their puppets and paid foot soldiers won't stop the violence but he says the time to arrest those funding the attacks right so he's but you're saying funding the protests is shouldn't it's fine to find a protest but he and he says the protest but later he says the attacks and the violence and so he might be using the word protest synonymously with the attacks and violence right when you're saying protests find tax and violence problem oh sorry presumably you do think it's a good idea to stop funding the attacks and violence yes that's not an escalation to arrest those people but i agree it seems that using using them interchangeably as he goes on to say reed will have many layers between himself and the organizations attacking me but the probability is 100% that Reid is funding them. So if these organizations are

attacking him, and he is saying, funding the attacks, I don't know if he thinks that the terror attacks are being funded by somebody because he's never expressed that. He's saying outright, the attacks in general, I think he's using them interchangeably. Yes. And that's a problem too, because that's something that people who are more in line with their cause are going to seize on and say that it's a free speech issue. And they're going to say that he's trying to shut down dissenting opinions when what he's actually trying to say is that he wants the violence to stop. Right. That's a messaging issue. Well, he probably wants the protests to stop also.

But he should understand that it's bad optics to do that. But in his mind, it's all sort of an attack. I mean, Tim Waltz saying that he was enjoying seeing the Tesla stock tank was an attack. When the... Yeah. And of course, you know, we've seen that all over the place. Jasmine Crockett, is that an attack? Is all of this an attack?

Which part is the attack? I don't know how any of this could be happening, because how can Democrats have mega donors? Because they keep talking about oligarchs and billionaires. And I can't imagine there are any actual democratic oligarchs and billionaires. That just wouldn't make any sense. One thing that might be the case that there's a link between USAID and something, and I don't have any conclusive evidence of that. However, USAID were funding the Tides Foundation, which is a foundation that Soros has also founded, that to the tune of $27 million was giving money to Black Lives Matter. So there is a history there of funding.

Tides also was funding some of the anti-Israel stuff. Was it really? Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Which stuff? The Columbia University stuff? They were in there somewhere. I remember we had reporting on that, and I'm not remembering exactly what it was. So you're saying that this could actually be worse right now

if it wasn't for the gutting of USAID? Theoretically. Well, it'd be interesting if he was more clear about exactly where the funding's coming from. It was the campus stuff. It was the campus stuff. It was the campus stuff. Campus stuff. That tied to funding across all the universities across the country.

Across universities in the US. I guess it would be interesting to, you know, it's easy to say George Soros funds everything, but you actually want to see, like, how exactly is the Open Societies Foundation funding them? So what I'd ask of Elon, what I want to know is how you know he's he's alleging that reid hoffman is uh funding them how exactly he says that it eventually goes one 100 it traces all the way back to reid hoffman but let's see that line like expose that line because then it's it's clear otherwise it's all quite nebulous and it's even opaque counter um by musk i think that's actually one like i mean i think that type of language is a

problem right now right when when you make claims without the ability to actually prove that that's what's going on then it just falls in line with political rhetoric rather than actually trying to root out a problem that's going on and people are going to take that as being politically biased to one side i mean what's why not also arrest the people doing the violence? They actually should be. I think his point is that more will just start popping up. It's not going to stop. But they should all be arrested and charged with felonies.

And even the low-tier stuff, like that woman, she put gum on the car. People don't understand that it's an electronic mechanism used to open Tesla car doors. It was in the handle. Yeah, and that breaks it. If it was a Model S, because they flatten and they stick out. When you walk up and the car's open, they all just come out, and the windows drop a little bit. It's kind of weird.

But the other models have the push mechanism, which could still be damaged by the gum. She was trying to break the car. Yeah. Did you see that one amazing... She got a felony. What's the big Tesla called? The Silver... Cybertruck.

Cybertruck. And someone put a big Toyota sticker on the back. Yeah. It was absolutely fantastic. Well, I mean, they're scared of terror attacks. Well, there's also signs in New York. Like in the 80s, there would be signs in people's cars. People would have like these signs, no radio, so that people wouldn't break in and steal

it. And now people have signs like, you know, I from holocaust survivors we're not nazis we bought the car a long time ago it was to help the environment please don't mess up my car in san francisco people have been leaving their hatchbacks open so that when the criminals come they don't smash out the windows they just walk up look in the car they see it's open there's nothing in there they keep going yep and i think uh i think benny johnson he got robbed didn't he yeah he he was he was filming in oakland or something right and then they came and smashed the window and tried i don't know if they actually stole stuff or tried stealing it the tides foundation is also funding the individual project which has been staging and organizing protests against teslas oh really yeah and tides is funded by usaid

so elon is in a position to end the funding to tides well and usaid just closed yeah like they're they're done yeah they they shut that down at the end of last week i think one of the craziest things about living in one of these bigger cities is you can realize just how much people can get accustomed to when people talk about like oh my car only got broken into twice last year. And you're like, imagine this, dude, there's a place you can live where that just doesn't happen at all. Or nobody breaks into your car. Nobody breaks into your car. That would be nice. I think in general, Americans mostly want a high trust society.

And it's really been damaging having that trust just disappear slowly. And then, you know, all at once yeah it's pretty much gone i mean that was like that was that's been gone for a long it's been gone for a long time but like even before the political animosity in the last 10 years i mean 20 30 years of the media giving you the boogeyman of criminals and serial killers and stuff like that high trust society's gone along but you pretty much i mean now you're at a point where you figure your neighbors might attack you yeah your neighbors might come shoot your dog your neighbors might like yell at your kids or well i think they should just ban uh they should

just be no political signs in your driveway for the good of society no maybe just no neighbors that would work all that would work i mean that's you got to go live on a farm somewhere. You buy land of your own. Yeah. And then but then you have to grow things. Then you're expected to do something with that. Like do something with the land. Yeah.

What a tragedy to hear Americans talking about this this way about their country. Is this is this really something you believe is the case across the country that the trust is going to the high trust society? Yes. Yes. That's for real. I mean, at the very at the very least in big cities. Winston, I went to a CVS and I couldn't buy ice cream. So we were in, I think we were, where were we?

That could be New York, Chicago, Philadelphia. I think it was in Philly. Yeah, I could be wrong. But I needed to get nail clippers because we were traveling. I walked inside, walked up to where the nail clippers would be. Most of the products were gone, and the ones that were there were locked. So I was like, I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to go find someone because I need the nail clippers, whatever.

I'll clip my nails when I get home. I'm only here for the weekend. So I said, screw it. I'm going, you know, Allison was over by the snacks, and I walked over to the snacks, and she's looking at Cheez-Its or whatever and crackers. And I was like, let's just get a thing of ice cream. Screw it. I walk up to the fridge and door is locked.

Could not even take ice cream. It was locked. And I just said, let's just go. I don't want to walk up, say, can I get ice cream? Walk back, get the ice cream, walk back. I don't care that much. And you know what? I shouldn't be eating ice cream anyway.

But also it's hard to find somebody in the store. So we simultaneously have a decline in trust in our society and all of these automated things coming into place that only work in a high trust society, like not that many people at CVS because it's all self-checkout or the grocery store, you know, or like different AI type of components, like the AI drivers, the Waymo and all of this stuff that works in a high trust society. And in a low trust society, it's just kind of terrifying. Okay, so what would you say the reasons that it's become a low trust? Because I've seen this coming to your wonderful country over the last two decades. And I've seen the change, particularly in Democrat cities. I think of New York, I think of San Francisco, where I've had similar experiences to you guys.

But in Europe, and particularly in Britain, what's happened is mass migration is the effect. And it's through mass migration that we're seeing increase in violence, particularly in cities. We're seeing social cohesion breakdown. And we're seeing riots, counter-riots. I mean, I could talk about the British-Pakistani grooming gangs, which have inspired that. And it's really mass migration. Is that the same story here in America?

Is it mass migration? You've had your own problems. I think it's more high crime, no prosecutions, and high limits on what it takes to get a felony. So if somebody has to steal $900 worth of stuff to get a felony, people just put a bunch of stuff in a garbage bag and walk out. And we've seen endless videos of this at all of these stores. If there's no consequence for their actions, the store has to do what they fault that stores are locking up all their merchandise and say that it's disproportionately affecting people in cities like this, which do happen to be largely in some places heavily populated by minorities, which then they make a racial argument when it's more of the fact that nobody's being prosecuted for the crimes. Or like the changes, exactly, the changes in some of the laws, like loitering is no longer a law in Los Angeles, which means that there's no, you know, there's no easy avenue

for police to intervene in suspected prostitution because loitering is perfectly legal. It's a broken window. The issue is community. Turnstile jumping. The issue is community and community doesn't exist anymore. It used to be that you had a small town. Everybody knew each other. You're not going to commit a crime against someone, you know, it's going to cause you problems with your friends and your family. But now nobody knows each other. So the attitude of police, the attitude of criminals, of They said, we're not going to shut it down. They lived there. They're going to be social pariahs in their own town. So the state got cops from another town to come in because those cops are like, yo, we could literally do anything we want to you. It's not going to affect me any way because when I go to wash my laundry or buy

groceries, I don't live here. And so that's the problem we're facing with crime in all these places. Everyone's attitude is basically like, it's for me and my family. I don't know you. There you go. And most cops don't work in the city that they live anymore. Or the city is so big that they live in one part and serve another. Let's jump to this tweet we got here. This video is crazy, ladies and gentlemen.

A man pulls up to block a woman driving a Tesla and starts punching her in the face. You can't really see anything. Heads up because we don't we don't we don't like showing that crazy violent stuff. But listen to this report. This is from Arizona family dot com, which is Flagstaff. Watch this. This is video of a Tesla attack in Flagstaff last week. It shows a green car pulling up next to a Tesla on busy Route 66, then swerving in front to box the vehicle in. The driver then walks over to the 61-year-old woman in the Tesla and reportedly starts hitting her while she's behind the wheel. I started to say, you cut me off.

What's your problem? But I don't know how much of that got out. And he started to punch me with a closed fist at one point the victim who wants to hide her identity says she bit the man's hand moments later the passenger of the green car appears to walk over and pull the attacker away they finally get back in their car and drive off the incident is among the latest attacks on arizona tesla drivers being targeted because of the car they drive. This is crazy.

It's insane. I just want to point out. It's absolutely insane. What I wanted to point out right away is that they box her in. You can see that not only do they try to stop her, but when she tries to go right, they pull forward to make sure she's between the curb. I'm jumping that curb. I'm sorry. I don't know.

It's a pretty tall curb right there, or I'm reversing, but I'm assuming she's got someone behind them. I'm not entirely sure. Maybe we can see in the video. So in the rear, she's clear. She could have hit reverse and just got out of there. You know what's really crazy about this?

Check this out. When they go on to mention another person was attacked. Keep listening. Moments later, the passenger of the green car. Oh, oh actually i don't think i actually have that in the video uh in the full report they they mention these two women are now taking gun self-defense classes yeah the next time some guy tries pulling something like that off they're gonna get they're gonna get shot and depending on where they live they're gonna be they're gonna run their own risk because it's so hard to know whether you're actually going to get in trouble for using your weapon. I guess they'll have to figure out what the law is too.

I think that's going to be after the fact. I mean, look, a 61-year-old woman getting punched in the face, if she had a gun, she'd shoot him. Well, these leftist guys are the same ones that have been saying punch a turf for years and punch Nazis. And now Nazis are people who drive Teslas that they bought in order to help the environment and be environmentally friendly. Not knowing when they bought it. Nazis, you know, Nazis love green energy. If the roles were reversed,

we would never hear the end of this. It would be on MSNBC, CNN, relentlessly. If there was any sort of far-right attack on someone because of their... Some lady in her car. It's such an absurdity that these people think it's appropriate to punch someone who's got nothing. The driver of the Tesla might actually be a Democrat. What do they know?

Well, I mean, the people who are buying electric cars probably were leaning left in the first place. And it's not like all of the people driving Teslas bought them in the last month. Yeah, well, I'm curious for you, Winston, based on what we're seeing here. Have you ever seen anything as bad as this directed targeted attacks sustained? In America or in Britain? Directed at individuals? I mean, the worst, it seemed to me, was in 2020. That was a real period. I mean, we talked about this a little bit earlier. But 2020 was mass rioting, which is over violence. And then you had it culminate with the autonomous zones.

But those were leftists against government. I'm wondering if, and, you know, I don't know, Libby and Brett, if you've seen anything, what we're seeing now is random attacks on people for political purposes, if they can be identified, meaning the Tesla car itself is enough identification for these attacks to escalate on these individuals. It's a good point. I remember in Portland, someone wearing a MAGA hat was killed. This is something that Andy Ngo reported. Was it Aaron Daniels? Yes, that's right.

I think it was Daniel Sin. I could be wrong. Was he wearing a MAGA hat? He was Trump-identified. He was Trump-identified. Yeah. So this is a clear difference, right? So it's no longer, we don't need to identify what their politics are.

And there have been attacks at Republican polling stations and stuff like that in the past. I think the difference between this and 2020 is that 2020 was less focused and it was just an outlet of anger. It didn't matter who it was. They were just going after any business that they felt like tearing down at the time, which is why businesses that wanted to survive it, but signs up in their window to please, please, please leave me alone. But at that same time, they were going up to random people and asking them to raise their fist in the air to force compliance on people because it was a form of power. Yeah, there was definitely in terms of like the attacks on Tesla cars, not just individuals, but Tesla cars. We did see again in 2020, we saw the attacks on

statues, right? People were tearing down George Washington statues. People were so stupid that they were tearing down statues of abolitionists saying, you know, that they were racist. And it's like, really? Because they were abolitionists. It was Danielson. They would still be considered racist by today's standards. The reason why I'm asking this is I'm curious, you know, once in your perspective on where this country goes, you know, obviously with the, you know, Trump being criminally charged, but now he wins. Now the Democrats are saying what he's doing is unconstitutional. Now we have Elon who's working with Trump and people are just either there's terror attacks against dealerships. They're physically attacking people. Do you see a scenario where things are to chill out maybe? Or what do you think? I think that the way it's directing heading is and I note what I said earlier about no Democrats really calling this out

is that there might we might end up that something really awful happens. God forbid, I don't want it, but it would take something really awful. It, for Democrats to finally speak out against what's going on. And even then, to be honest, I'm not sure it would. We heard Maxine Waters talk. They're not going to change their rhetoric. And there's plenty of what happened in 2020 that they didn't speak out, even when terrible evils were happening. No, they put websites to bail people out in their bios, is what they did. And Kamala Harris promoted it. Exactly.

But Tim, is your question, because you think that we're in a particularly bad place, is this why you're pushing me here? Well, I'm curious. You think this is a unique, this is really different this time? I wanted to ask before I gave my thoughts, because I don't want to influence what your thoughts on this particular moment may be. Maybe you'd say, look, I've seen stuff like this and, you know, people are going to

forget about Tesla or something like that. But I actually argued this is substantially worse in terms of the political escalation than we saw in 2020. And that's because we had this conversation a week or two ago. Is it worse now than it was in 2020? And I think it is worse. Certainly not the amount of violence occurring. It's the targeting attacks, the type of violence. So we have the mass swattings. You had, what, 20 plus or more swattings targeting prominent right-leaning individuals. Now you have so it's scaling up in every tier of the right. At the lowest level, some woman for simply having a Tesla, might not even be political, gets punched in the face repeatedly by a lunatic. Then you have the mid tier, the influencers getting swatted. You had Owen Schroyer brought out of his house with his hands up and

they told him take his shirt off because the police are pointing guns at him. And they also know what's going on. Then at the highest level, of course, you have the administrative attacks, attempts to arrest and jail Trump and his people. But now that he won, it's that is being stopped by Trump at the highest level. Of course, we have a counter with Crispy Gnome, Kash Patel, Dan Bongino. But in 2020, with the riots, it was random rage. People were mad about Trump. They're mad about lockdowns. They're mad about George Floyd. And they were going out and attacking random things and everything, anything and everything. They burned down buildings. They attacked random people. That is very, very bad in terms of the sheer violence. But a riot may not go anywhere.

The riots happened, I think, largely because of covid lockdowns built up a lot of rage. You George Floyd story was the spark that gave people the excuse to go out and be angry. And they weren't overtly targeting people, though. There was one guy in Portland who got shot twice in the chest, and it was violent with the Chaz Chop, where they actually shot and murdered people, unloaded their rifles on some teenagers in an SUV. Crazy. What we're seeing now, though, in terms of political escalation is random street-level terror attacks, mid-level terror attacks in the digital space,

bleeding into the physical space with swattings, mid-level terror attacks with firebombs and mass shootings on dealerships. This seems to me like a worrying escalation where what happens when a leftist gets run over? Some guy already did that. He jumped the curb and drove through some protest against Tesla, and they got out of the way. He got charged. What happens when one of these

individuals shoots one of the people that are attacking their vehicles? Then the left says they're attacking us now. The fascists are attacking what they did with Kyle Rittenhouse. And that's what they did in Texas. Remember that that situation in Texas? Do you think? OK, so I have a question. Is part of this because I think a lot of this has to do with we live in a sick society and there's a lot of unbelievably emotionally dysregulated people who don't know how to control themselves and who suffer because they have been fed these lines about political opposition being evil. But I wonder if some of it has to do with the fact that there's just this directionless feel to the Democrat Party now where they don't

have anybody to coalesce around. They don't have any actual hope for their message. So they're sprouting. It's just violence because they don't have they don't have anybody that's giving them a message that they feel they can confidently take into the next election cycle to try and change the things that they at least in their minds feel are wrong. Yeah. I mean, it's not just violence. It's also haplessness, right? Like you see them saying Trump's going to take away our Medicare. That's not anywhere. Trump's going to destroy Social Security.

That's not anywhere. They make stuff up because they don't have a policy platform and they don't have any leaders. The closest thing they have to a leader right now is like Jasmine Crockett. You know what I mean? And it's just because she has a big mouth and she's out there being loud. Yeah. Hakeem Jeffries. Hakeem Jeffries. And they's just because she's a big mouth and she's out there being loud. Yeah.

Hakeem Jeffries. Hakeem Jeffries. And they're all advocating for violence. They're all. Yeah. Hakeem Jeffries. We're going to take it to the streets. Maxine Waters is always about. She's always the worst.

We had one of the most shocking things I've seen was when on The Daily Show, Jordan Klepper showed terror attacks. One of the attacks on Tesla in Vegas was a man with a rifle shooting into the building, trying to take out its security cameras, then shooting wildly into a bunch of cars, graffiting up the building, and then setting fire to a bunch of the vehicles. And when he showed this, the audience cheered for it. He even was shocked and said, wow, I guess you guys like petty acts of domestic terrorism. Something very similar on Stephen Colbert at the same time, by the way, where he made a joke like, don't attack

Teslas, and then did a pause. That was Kimmel. Sorry, it was Kimmel. Sorry. Colbert did also do something similar where he said, he deserves, he said someone stole the tires off a vehicle, but he says, yeah, I don't he says, I don't condemn the attacks, but I appreciate your tireless efforts and wins a pun award. He said that I think it's wrong to attack Teslas. And this comes from the bottom of my CBS legal department, implying he doesn't actually. And they're cheering for these things.

So I wonder, we are at a time in this country where in public people are cheering for terror attacks against anyone perceived to be right wing, even if you're just driving a Tesla, which you probably bought well before Trump or Elon had anything to do with government. Well, you know, we have DHS and ICE doing this thing where they're scouring people's social media to determine if they are immigrants who advocate for violence or who are opposed to American values or whatever the criteria is. I wonder if they'll start doing that for the Tesla people and just start like arresting anti-Tesla people based on their social media posts. And that will end up sparking concern from them in the same way, because they're going to say that you're being a fascist by arresting them. Well, it is concerning to arrest someone based on a social media post alone, as we've seen in the UK. We've seen a lot of that, but they have to start arresting and having real justice put on these people doing these attacks, because that is what will deter others from doing it.

If these people get away with it, and maybe it's the case that it will if it's true about these activist drudges, if they get away with it, this will just continue. I wonder if that would be a deterrent. It certainly didn't appear to be a deterrent in 2020 when people got arrested. I don't think it will. Did they get charged, though? They got arrested, but did they get charged? In a lot of cases, the charges were eventually dropped. I don't think it ends up stopping anybody.

I think so many of these people are so broken and so upset and they feel so hopeless because of all of the rhetoric that they're spewed and fed every single day that they're acting so irrationally that even a rational deterrent won't work on an irrational person. Yeah, because they're going to cheer. Yeah. So if Donald Trump's DHS, a bunch of Nazi fascist brown shirts, go and arrest someone, they're going to say it's a badge of honor. Well, and look at what happened to Luigi Mangione, right? He is suspected of murdering this guy in cold blood. It's on camera in New York. And California named a health care bill after him for being proposed.

Yeah, it's like the luigi mangioni health care act and it's and it uh it's penalties on if you delay deny or depose or whatever yeah yeah it's um penalties on health care companies that uh don't do what luigi mangioni wants let me jump to this next uh tweet here we have from christine gnome secretary of uh of dhs department of homeland security i cannot show you the video my friends it is a man Kristi Noem, secretary of DHS, Department of Homeland Security. I cannot show you the video, my friends. It is a man calling for people to murder ICE agents. And Kristi Noem responds, if you threaten or attempt to harm a law enforcement officer, we will find you and prosecute you to the fullest extent of the law. I don't I should this guy be arrested because he literally says in the video to do it.

He says, do this, do it. If they approach you, do it for sure. He's definitely inciting violence, telling people to to attack, to kill law enforcement. Yeah, that's pretty serious. Yeah. And it's brazen in public. And he said because they're they're fascists, because they are masked individuals. And he says you have a right to do it and you do not. But this is a degree of escalation.

And I will say this is so intense. Ladies and gentlemen, we can't play the video for you here on YouTube. No, it's too severe. It is. It is a I believe it is a federal criminal offense, what he said. To be a federal offense, it would have to be proved that it would directly lead to actual attacks happening, which – is that the brand? What's the test? So it's imminent harm. Imminent harm. So you'd have to prove imminent harm. And this is very similar to a lot of the stuff we had going on in the UK.

A lot of people arrested for long periods of time. I mean years, some of them. Now, some of them were just racist memes and reposting racist memes and a bit of racism here and there. Disgusting things that were said, but you know, clearly not incitement of violence. But then there's some people who were arrested for planning online, using Facebook to plan where to do certain attacks on asylum hotels, and those people were arrested. No, go ahead. Sorry. I don't know if you're done. So you're saying that this seems to you to be a felony, but wouldn't you have to prove that it would directly lead to an attack?

No, it turns out you don't have to do that, which is crazy, but based on precedent. Like, for example, Douglas Mackey was arrested and convicted for what was it like a election? But that was that was fraud. That's different from threats of violence. Right. But he was there was no evidence that the DOJ could provide that showed that the meme he posted impacted anybody to do the thing that the meme suggested. In regards to violence, though, the imminent harm is the standard. And so that's why usually if you said something like, I think people should do this thing isn't illegal. But if you say at this time, go do this thing, right? Like, isn't this incitement? This, I believe, qualifies, as he says several times,

right when the video starts, says he says do it explicitly and i don't again i can't play it because it's maybe in the uncensored portion but i don't i don't want to play with this video but he's referring to a specific place and a specific time he's not he's just so actually actually this is this is where it gets interesting in law um if it's an imminent threat where you said i want want you to go to this place, Jim's Bar, take the, you know, go get, go pick up one of these things and then use it to do this thing to that guy. You've got a person, you've got a place, you're directing them to do it.

In this regard, he is saying, if ICE agents show up at your house or stop you anywhere, do this thing with this thing. He's saying to shoot them. He's explicitly saying, take a gun. If you see them and their lives, that's what he's saying. I believe this qualifies as violent in the law. And I'd be interested to see Democrats will absolutely defend him. If he got arrested for this, they'd say it's free speech. They're defending Luigi Mangione. Indeed. He shot a man in cold blood.

Likely. Accused of. I actually don't think he did it. You don't think he did it? Nope. Okay. Because the initial videos that were released, I'll say it every time, when that story first came out, we all looked at the surveillance footage and said, that looks like a middle-aged

guy. You can tell by his hands, the top of the face that you can see. It looks like he's got older skin. Older folks, their skin doesn't move as well in the cold. You'll notice they do the moisture test. You pinch the skin and pull it. You can see pressure points on his hands. I assumed when we first saw that it was going to be a guy who was in his late 40s or 50s.

Then they put up a picture of this other guy, said he was a person of interest, and he's wearing a different coat with different eyebrows and a different backpack. And everybody said, that's the guy. That's the guy. He's the suspect. And I said, guys, no. They're saying he's a person of interest. That could mean that he was maybe in the same building talking to the guy and they want to talk to him.

Then all of a sudden, they find this Luigi Mangione guy you know in a mcdonald's someone recognized him how it's i'll add to that bit with an orgy of evidence i think i'm with i'm certainly with you in questioning whether he's really the guy because if you look at how the kill was done it's a really professional job and then if you look at how he was caught, how can the same person who pulled off that unbelievable professional, looked like a hit job, then get caught by like in the stupidest of ways at a McDonald's? It just it doesn't seem like. Who would recognize the guy at McDonald's? You know, look, from when people recognize me and I'm sure you get the same thing as they'll be like.

You kind of look like some guy. They never come up. They're like, that's you. Particularly if you look at the actual image of what they, he had a mask pulled down to this, you're not going to recognize him. Didn't he have his manifesto in his bag? And the weapon. I always carry my manifestos to McDonald's.

This is why people have said it was, in the Minority Report reference, an orgy of evidence. Meaning, you know, you walk in, in the movie, Tom Cruise's character walks in the room and there's photos everywhere of his son who was kidnapped. When the inspector comes in, he goes, no, I don't believe it. He's like, all of this is a stage.

It's meant to look like a crime scene. Come on. And have you seen the video of him when he's, I think he's cuffed in a jumpsuit and he's shouting at the press. Right. It's really interesting to watch that again because what he says is not what,

it's not what someone would say. I've unfortunately forgotten. He said something like the American people being too stupid to believe it or something. Exactly. It's just the way he said it didn't seem to be like the sort of thing

an actual hitman would say then. So maybe, I don't know, but in that regard, it could be a hitman got away with killing a CEO and the government is like, we cannot have a story of a rogue hitman running around. They have to pin it on somebody. Why have they never seen mafia movies? I mean, there's plenty of stories. Should have taken the gun and let them go. The American public would panic and it could disrupt the economy in many ways if people are scared to go outside because there's a hitman running around or murder the american public already no one would be surprised to learn there's

hitmen in the public everyone knows there's hitmen well uh the belief among many americans is that there probably are but it's it's extremely rare and much harder than people think you know it's usually just a sting operation but you know back to the point, my concern here is if they don't arrest this guy, this is what I refer to as the I didn't make this up. Someone chatted this to us, the ice bucket challenge of terrorism. But I mean, this guy made this video because he's like, I'm going to get a million views. And he is the video from from Kristi Noem, the posting of 1.3 million. The post from Libsiktok probably has way more it's got two point that's right i'm not gonna play that video we're not gonna listen to this guy

he says it twice and more than that he keeps saying it over and over again that's right he says that's right do it do it he's dressed it didn't seem like a real estate agent he's literally wearing like a real estate agent costume that's calling for fire sky the same things calling for violence in like a vest should be probably the most egregious part of all of this when you have let me go back in time i remembered after 9-11 there were reports in the news that they feared terror attacks in small suburban towns they said that the terror alert has gone up and the town that they're concerned about is this you know know, insert small Ohio town. And I'm thinking like, why? Why would they target the middle of nowhere? On the news, they were saying the terrorists want to target rural areas so that

people in this country feel they cannot be safe anywhere. Most people think you stay out of the cities, you'll be all right wow so with stuff like this and what he's saying when it's a regular guy who's a real estate agent calling for the murder of federal agents it's particularly worrying because it's basically saying to us there is a normal liberal world view circulating amongst regular workers to engage in lethal force against their enemies. Yeah, there's another aspect of this which is curious to me is that the ICE agents are the villains here. And this can only be in the eyes of the progressive globalists who don't like borders. But the ICE villains are trying to get rid of violent criminal, violent murderous criminals to protect the borders. If you want a safe country, if you want a great America, you've got to have borders.

And so it's curious to watch how villainized ICE agents are at this time. Indeed. We had a liberal lawyer on who called them brown shirts. He said they're Gestapo, they're federal, you know. He believed that? Yeah. Yep. So does that guy believe in He believed that? Yeah. Yep. So what, does that guy believe in borders at all? Does he think that people should come?

I mean, they haven't fought that worldview through to its full extent. It's an interesting moral conundrum. Joe Biden says if someone enters the country, well, actually, let's go back to go back earlier. Twenty twenty during the presidential debates in through twenty nineteen and twenty twenty, all of the Democrat candidates were asked, would you change crossing the border from a criminal charge to a civil charge? And they all raised their hand. They all like that idea. Yeah. Literally, Joe Biden says surge the border. They come to the border. They enter the country outside of an official port of entry illegally. And then as soon as they see an agent, they say asylum.

And then he goes, you got us. Guess you can stay here forever. Now they put all these people into the system, gave them court dates and then quietly dismissed all their court dates. So they were de facto in the United States as second class citizens. This is illegal. This is what Chuck Schumer wants, though, so that we can have, you know, depressed wages. And so when Donald Trump then says we are going to arrest these people and kick them out, the left says Trump is arresting legal migrants. This is the conundrum over the language. So now you've got the issue of, but we need due process for these people who entered the country illegally through Biden's exploitation, and they're using it to empower their states. There is no reality where the actions taken by

Donald Trump will ever be deemed legal, even if they're explicitly legal and under his constitutional authority, as many of these things are. Trump said, if you are transgender and exhibiting symptoms, you cannot serve in the military. However, if you are suffering gender dysphoria or transgender and you exhibit no symptoms, you're fine. A judge ruled, no, you can't do this. Everyone is created equal and, you know, and all means all. That literally means she just issued an injunction stating, as someone on Twitter pointed out, paraplegic schizophrenics can now enlist in the military. Like gender dysphoria is in the DSM, yet a lot of people with bad eyesight can't get into the military. Indeed. But now you can because of this injunction. It is absurd that the president

who is the commander in chief of the armed forces is barred from choosing who serves him. That's crazy. So this is this is this is the point of where we're at in terms of what is legal and what's not legal with the border thing. And forgive me if I sound like a libtard for one moment. But is there an argument to be made that these coming across and claiming asylum because Biden had allowed it. They were following by the laws at the time. And so they. No, no. Explain to me. So in the United States, the president can issue executive orders. They're not laws, but he can direct executive agencies to behave in certain ways which de facto can make or break laws. So if the United States Congress passes a bill saying we are going to ban marijuana in every regard, I mean, they basically did, but like nothing,

nothing. We're going to arrest literally everybody. Donald Trump could say, ignore it. Don't enforce it. He can instruct the AG not to prosecute. And so the law exists and should be enforced. Right. OK. But would that mean that people are are i see so that's what happened basically so because because i got one for you yeah and i'm going to change your mind in two seconds joe biden instructed cbp to transport children into sex slavery does that make it legal he did what no that's for real happened yeah yeah so what happened is now let me ask you if you think a civil war is coming yeah Does that make it legal? He did what? No, that's for real happened. Yeah. Yeah. So what happened is.

Now let me ask you if you think a civil war is coming. Yeah. What happened is Joe Biden said all accompanied minors can get across the border. No questions asked. And then that went to a judge and the judge said, well, that has to apply to the families of minors as well. If you're doing it for unaccompanied minors, then their whole family needs to come in if that's what's going on. So you have literal human traffickers trafficking children across the border. CBP knows that the traffickers. Yes. The agents know for a fact children are coming across the border with traffickers, sex slavers or by themselves. They have numbers written on their arms or hand or they have those plastic bracelets that they

know is for sex slavery of children. I'm talking 12 year olds. And CBP, with smiles on in a lot of time, a lot of cases aren't anywhere. They're like empty warehouses or hundreds of people have the exact same address. These are not, you know, these are not safe contacts. These are just like something to fill out the form to get the people in. Do not take our word or words for it. There's your story from the New York Post from one year ago. Dr. Phil tells The View host that children crossing the border being sent into prostitution and sweatshops. And this is the only story. He spoke with the head of the CBP union on camera who stated, quote, I talked to the head of all the border guards down there, the head of the union. I asked him straight up. Kids are coming over the border with numbers written on them, phone numbers and addresses. Do we check those out? He said, well, we call them, quote, is it possible that we're sending them into known

prostitution rings or sweatshops? He said, it's not possible. It is absolute. We are using American tax dollars to ship children into known prostitution and sweatshops. And when asked over and over again, like when I bring this up, the issue is clear. CBP agents were instructed at the highest level not to interfere in this process. And if a child came across that they knew was going into sex slavery, just transport them to the vehicles and send them where they're supposed to go.

Savannah Hernandez did a lot of reporting on this at the border and uncovered the exact same thing. And it was very clear. And she had like undercover CBP agents talking to her. She had to disguise their voices because they were terrified. There's like a there's like a rape tree, basically, where they there's paraphernalia left from children on this tree. So the issue we have now is, yes, Joe Biden told them you can come across the border and we will ignore the law and do whatever you want. And while the Democrats will say the barber was just an asylum seeker. Sure, sure. My understanding, I could be wrong, is this guy was illegally entered the

country coming from Venezuela. You're it's typically implied or I believe it's it's it's it's not absolute law, but you're supposed to apply for asylum in the first country of safe harbor or whatever. Yeah. And they all skip over all of these countries. Trump reinstituted that and said that's what has to happen. You have to apply for asylum in the first safe country you get to. So when we're talking about Joe Biden letting these people in, we are speaking broadly of the sex traffickers, the drug traffickers, the gangs, the cartels, the criminals and some, I think, who are fine people. The Democrats ignore all of the crime and say they're legal asylees. Well, because they change the they change. Like you were saying, they changed the definition of legal. So they add all of these sort of like sub legal categories, refugee, asylum seeker, temporary protected status, you know, unaccompanied minor without having any way

to check any of the ages or where they're from or how they got there or anything. And so now you have Trump trying to revoke a lot of this stuff, like revoke the temporary protected status, which is what, like half a million people from Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela and Haiti and say, like, you know, you're done. And the interesting thing about a lot of the people who come in on the temporary protected status program and the refugee program is you don't have to be coming from the nation that has, you know, refugee capable status. You can be living perfectly comfortably somewhere else, like you could be a Haitian who moved

to Bolivia or whatever, and you're coming now from Bolivia with Haitian refugee status, even though you're basically just giving up whatever life you had constructed in Bolivia. Kind of like when the UN says anyone of Palestinian descent is a refugee, even if they've been, you know, in Jordan for like 25, 30, 50 years. Well, three generations. Or three generations or back to 48, whatever. I have repeatedly called for all of these CBP agents to be imprisoned since this story came out. And if they're, you know, Dan Bongino stepped down from one of the biggest live shows, biggest podcast in the world to serve at

the FBI. And people always say, Tim, get into politics. I never would do it. There's one thing I would do. If Donald Trump said, Tim, we want you to work in the DOJ with Dan and Cash. And your only job is to find law enforcement officers who facilitated crimes against children who otherwise broke their oath and bring charges, investigate. And it's done, done, Mr. President, because there's a lot that I think, you know, and I'm kind of half kidding. I'm just saying that's how passionate I am about this stuff. But I think if if if as absurd a moment ever came up, if I was asked to go after the law enforcement officers who are facilitating children into sex trafficking because Biden told them to do, I would do that in a heartbeat. How do they live with themselves? You know, how do you live with that? talking about how he thinks that borders shouldn't exist at all. Anyways, what is it about modern day,

whether it's Democrats or leftist politics, that makes it so easy to ignore stories like this? Is it some form of... Sorry, it's actually worse than ignore. And if I can give the example of cultural examples, two cultural examples. One is the Sound of Freedom film. This film was made about Tim Ballard,

about sexual exploitation and trafficking of children. They didn't just ignore that film. Yes, they ignored it. They demonized it. They slandered him. They went after him. That film, which I saw in a Los Angeles theater, in a normal theater, erupted in applause at the end. Everyone was in tears. It moved everyone. The people loved tears. It moved everyone. The people loved it. It did crazy good numbers. The people cared about it. How did Hollywood treat it?

They wrote these slanderous articles. They called it all conspiratorial. Now, the same thing happened in the music industry when Oliver Anthony, the musician behind the song Rich Men North of Richmond, he has a line in there, I wish politicians would care about minors

instead of minors on some island somewhere. Same thing happened again. They went after him for that line. They said it's conspiratorial, it's playing into these right-wing influencer QAnon nonsense. That's their attack. How is it that this has become a political hotbed? Like, this is partisan.

How is that this should this should this is you know above politics you know there was a for a long time this conspiracy that powerful individuals were all pedophiles and engaged in sex trafficking and the media said you're nuts and then the epstein story broke and everyone went whoa and and today the big story was virginia giuffre uh posted that she has four days to live because she's in renal failure after a serious accident. She got hit by a bus. I have a question. Do you have any kids, Winston? No. You do not have any, but Libby does. I have one son. So I would ask you, Libby, on a scale of Jason Statham to Liam Neeson, how crazy would you go if someone kidnapped your child? Oh, I would lose it fully. Liam Neeson? Fully Liam Neeson? Oh, yeah. Wait, Liam Neeson is losing it fully?

Not Jason Statham? I don't even know what you're talking about. Is Jason... I've never seen those films because I can't handle viscerally this concept of someone taking my child. I literally just can't handle it. Jason Statham is the general... He has the movies...

Total destruction. Arson. Total insanity. Jason Statham has the general movies where he goes after people generally. Yeah, he beat Rachel Zegler at the box office this weekend. Oh, my God. That movie, it looks pretty good, actually. But Liam Neeson had the specific movies where his kid got taken.

You know what I mean? I mean, we're joking about, but actually this is a really good question that you ask, and it's really relevant to my country, Britain. You'll have heard of the british pakistani rape gangs where over the course of decades uh tens of thousands of young british girls predominantly white girls were targeted by british pakistani muslim gangs because they were kafir and what does that mean it just not muslim highly of them they thought they were trash they thought they were trash and didn't the cops also think they were trash? The cops were complicit.

Yeah. And these kids, there were cases where the kids, when they reported on it happening to them, the kids themselves were arrested in one case because the young girl was drunk and disorderly. They got her drunk. But can I say why this is relevant to what tim's tim's question is because after decades of that after decades the police doing fuck all about it and uh last summer we had this horrible attack taken out by axel rudiger barna on three young girls in uh southport in the north of england and the british a lot of british men were like we've had enough tommy robinson is an interview with jordan peterson said when he was a teenager his teenage cousin

was abused by one of these rape gangs and actually this is what you're seeing in britain is for how many decades can you go after our daughters before and not do anything before we respond you need to go like full invincible i don't know if you guys watch that show but full invincible on these guys i was gonna say i fear a full v for vendetta where the scene is the little girl wearing the mask is skipping down the street and the finger man shoots her and then all the people from the town show up with crowbars and baseball bats and then it's implied what happens now well you remember you mentioned earlier like is there going to be an event that leads to that? I feel like information is so decentralized now and we're so disconnected as a society

that there isn't one event like that that could do that the way it did in that movie. The reason why I ask that question is because the opening scene in Sound of Freedom, the opening, not scene, but I guess scene, is a man's children are told they could be movie stars, they could be models, and to bring them up so they could get a test screening. And the father brings them and they say, you have to wait outside. We'll come back in a little bit. And when he comes back, they're gone. And his children have been taken. And that, you know, the acting was superb.

But, man, that nightmare scenario. When I was a teenager, I was approached in Harvard Square by someone who was like, oh, you should be a model with us, blah, blah, blah. And they gave me their card. And I went home and I was like, dad. And he was like, no, what's that card? Where are these people? And I was like, dad, that would be fun. I could make money.

And he was like, no, absolutely never. You know, a lot of people told me that my opinion would change when I had a kid on a lot of things. And I'm like, I find it largely is the same. But the only thing that's changed is if it was done to me personally, it couldn't before when I didn't have a kid. And now it could. And Liam Neeson on Super Soldier Serum, we'll call it that. It would be a tremendous movie. People would love it.

Superheroes and all. Just do a movie where you combine Captain America and Liam Neeson and his daughter gets taken again. Have you been following what's going on with the show Adolescence on Netflix and how it's talking about knife crime and incel culture and toxic masculinity amongst kids who are only 13 years old i have not seen the show itself but this is all over the papers i haven't seen the show either it's it's a lot of right-wingers are upset because uh they they they the show depicts it as a young white

kid who's doing and right-wingers are upset because they would say the violence is actually from other groups but the director said that he The director said that he took inspiration from the violence that horrified him about specific knife crime incidents. And then people made that a racial issue. The director says it's not that, but people make their... So the thing that's curious to me about that, and this is part of the the british liberal narrative at the moment is that the young boys and men are getting radicalized online by andrew tate types and you know the concept of incel but if you look at the data it seems to me that it the online i'm not saying that the online social media isn't affecting boys but it seems that it's affecting girls a lot worse and uh examples of this would be the increase in suicide around young girls.

The J.D. Vance has been talking a lot about censorship and worried about how British companies are going to be censoring Americans. And that goes back to this online safety bill, which was inspired by the suicide of a young girl called Molly. I think Molly Brand. And she committed suicide and it led to it. So the suicide rates among young girls, not only that, politically, women are becoming far more progressive and they're going more extreme. If you look at the data of how the election through 2024, it seemed that women were turning harder to the left,

but the media and the liberal media painted it as men becoming more aggressive, more politically extreme. What they're doing right now is they just made adolescents available to all high schools throughout all of the UK per the prime minister, because they want to make sure that as many people can see it as possible, because they're painting the boys in the country as the problem. And the other thing that was interesting is that not just that, but now they're teaching anti-misogyny classes to boys. Oh, that'll work. Yeah.

This is the news from yesterday, is that a toddler aged between was 178 children across grades were suspended for transphobia, homophobia. Let me pull the story real quick. It wasn't just one toddler. Let me pull this up. This is from the Independent. 94 in primary school. Let's pull this one up. Toddler accused of being transphobic or homophobic was suspended from nursery.

So the age of the kid was, what, two to four years old? I think we're allowed to laugh at this one, right? Maybe not. I think you're allowed to laugh at basically anything. There were more than 13 of these kids between the ages of nursery and second grade. I think we are witnessing a shift that shift that cannot exist i would describe it as uh oh what are those things called do you ever see um tamagotchis no there's a river and there will be lakes that are shaped like crescents next to the river yeah moonbow lake uh oxbow lakes oxbow

lakes this guy he knows he knows he knows what it's all about right not so learned over here but so how are those formed? Over time, the river, the water flow, there's more friction on one side than the other, causing the water to erode faster, creating a curve. The river then starts snaking. But eventually, the erosion will break through, and the river will reconnect with itself, creating an oxbow lake, I believe you call it. That's how I view leftism right now. What they're doing to young men will not survive for a variety of reasons. The left is not having children. They are attacking young men and masculinity. Young men are going to try, they're going to

want to look for masculine role models. This is what's happening. Exactly. Now, for a lot of them, it's Andrew Tate. It doesn't need to be Andrew Tate, but he's a guy who says you can be strong, rich, and successful like me. And there's a lot of guys who just wish they had the power to look into a camera and say, go F yourself. I got F you money. So that's attractive to young men. The left doesn't offer anything. Harry Sisson? Come on.

You think kids want to look like that guy? Sorry. And he's a young man, I know. But what? What do they got? Who's that guy who's really short robert reich there should be a way to to offer masculinity outside of the mold of politics or outside and outside of the mold of you know hating women and using them like like trash we had it and they destroyed him and it's jordan it's jordan peterson he was a

really i think noble version of that of teaching young boys how to play. I thought he was, yeah. And they destroyed him. And what, totally predictable, I mean, I'm not sure they fully destroyed him, but by trying to destroy him, they push these kids to people like Andrew Tate, who, in my opinion, is deplorable. But I do think that Jordan, Dr. Peterson, only goes so far. You know, he had that famous tweet that went viral where he said, there are cathedrals everywhere for those with eyes to see. And it was an Evian water bottle.

Look, Dr. Peterson has a bunch of has tremendous insights. And for a lot of young men, when he said, clean your room, find the heaviest thing you can carry and carry it. People were like, this is great. And then he was easily mocked. He cries too much. He wears a weird suit. Those suits are the suits are weird. I'm not here to criticize.

I'd still rather have Jordan Peterson than Andrew Tate. Of course. But what do you think a young man sees? He sees the goofy guy being made fun of with a good message. And then he sees Andrew Tate, who's a world champion kickboxer who's worth 50 plus million or however much million dollars. He's got a bunch of sports cars. And he talks about how he can have any woman he wants and he'll do whatever he says. There's a lot of really great

examples of masculinity, though, in our in our popular culture right now. Matt Walsh is great and he has a lot of respect for his wife. They have a whole that's still very political. Yeah. Well, once again, it's political at this point. Once again, there are still areas where the left gets in there. Look, the left cannot get Andrew Tate. Matt Walsh, he gets made fun of for a variety of things. He made fun of Little Mermaid. They said, look at this grown man watching children's shows. Well, he has like 100 kids. But it doesn't matter. A young man who's 14, 15 goes online and they see bearded Matt Walsh with a good message and they see him easily being mocked by the left.

Ha ha. He's watching children's cartoons. Look what he does for a living. He watches kids cartoons and makes fun of them. That's stupid. Jordan Peterson, they say, look at his goofy tweets. Andrew Tate, they say he's abusing women. He's trafficking them, trafficking them. And it just makes him seem like dark and strong and gross and doesn't matter not to look. The young guy doesn't want to be mocked and ridiculed. He's looking at Jordan Peterson. He's got a better message. He's looking at Matt Walsh with substantially better message, in my opinion, than both. He's a dad. He's got kids and he's strong and he's tough. Then Matt posts a picture of him holding a baby goat, which is totally fine and normal. But a young man looking for a ridiculous superhero asking,

I'm not saying Andrew Tate is a superhero. I'm saying they're looking for that ridiculously fake, dehydrated, you know, ripped muscle muscle kind of guy. Andrew Tate is the closest thing they're going to get to a guy who can't be mocked. He can be he can be insulted, but he's not made fun of. They try to make fun of him, but it never works. Instead, you just have a guy who posts videos where he's walking with beautiful sunglasses and he laughs and he does this on purpose. He knows what he's doing. Andrew Tate gets in that car. The reporter, you see this video, the reporter asked him a question. It was who are you with? You're a nobody. And then peels out a young guy does that, too. Exactly.

And this is what the left can't get past. So my point is this. What I was trying to get to in the beginning of the segment is that young women want men. Young men want women. The media and the left can try and say whatever they want, but there's a biological reality that drove humanity and all of life for billions of years. That's why I call it the was an oxbow lake. Yeah, it forms as the society veers left. But eventually, the friction causes to break off and become this weird thing on the left that's just there forever or just there. But the river carries on. Young women are going to want young men who are tough. They don't want male feminists. The male feminist will become

increasingly unappealing. There are substantially less male feminists. Young men, Gen Z men are skewing to the right. So this means that for the liberal woman, which is 70 percent of millennials, when they go into the dating pool, it's going to be inverted. Most of the guys are going to be on the right and they're going to say, I ain't dating you. You're crazy. You're going to meet to me. I'm out. And they're going to keep and we've already seen these stories. They're going to have bad luck. The younger women are going to go, I don't want to live that way. I don't want to be some old dried up hag. And they're going to go for things like this. And I think that there's this void and it's being replaced by, you know, someone as horrible as Andrew Tate, which is really a shame. But I think that it behooves the right not to celebrate people

who suck and instead to provide worthwhile worthwhile ideas like think for yourself, critical thinking, you know know read good books read classics look at has to happen films listen to good music instead of trash you know all of this stuff like we need to teach our our young men and women this so that when they're aspiring to be someone they're not looking at like you know the the disgusting millionaire guy who like bangs body modified chicks and traffics them or whatever else he's doing, you know, and and look inside themselves and look to things that are of value. When when young men were given the choice to be ridiculed, mocked and belittled, or be a powerful demon. Well, you don't have those shouldn't be. All I'm saying is,

these should not be the only option. Of course, but this is what the left has created. These weren't your options. This is my point. You guys are all like strong men

and these are not your options. It's actually a bit worse than, and maybe this is implicit in what you're both saying, they didn't just destroy Jordan, they destroyed all men. They destroyed masculinity and so it's been

a long erosion where, you know, we hear all this crap about toxic masculinity. We've heard it for a long time and I actually think we are in the rebound from that where actually girls are going, you know what, actually I want real men. So I'm actually somewhat hopeful.

How did you guys come up? Because you guys didn't end up susceptible to all this nonsense. Perhaps we're the generation before it. Well, okay, so part of it is also like there's like 20, 30, 40 years of your entertainment and culture degrading men as well so i posted something recently about this very very low budget show called blue ridge where this dad now he's he's divorced but he wants he wants to

remarry the the woman that he lost because he was in the he was in the service he was in the special forces and he was just away from his family. But he has a daughter. The daughter loves and respects him. There's even a scene, I'm pointing this out because there's a scene where a boy wants to take his teenage daughter out on a date, and he gives him the cold stare and makes the boy explain why he's right to take his daughter out on date and i said as simplistic as that story is it's rare now and there aren't examples now that's not a show that i really think that any kids are going to watch but the point is you grow up with stuff like that right you may have a family member who watches something like that and there aren't a lot of great examples in popular culture

of really really good male role models that are not treated as buffoons. Homer Simpson syndrome, right? Where all the dads are buffoons and stupid, as opposed to being competent male role models who actually take care of their family. You know, when I was growing up, I had my dad, of course, who was a no-nonsense guy. And let me just say, maybe as an older man, he's calmed down a little bit. But he was probably one of those guys who got into bar fights often for fun. And so growing up with a dad who was very tough and strong and didn't take anything from anybody, that obviously rubs off on me to a certain degree. But also growing up, I know it may seem silly, but we had superheroes.

And my favorite hero was always Batman. You know why Batman's the best superhero ever? Granted, they've made bad iterations of him. At least in the 90s show, he's a regular human. Granted, he's rich, but whatever, and he inherited it. But Batman, when you look into the comics and you read about what his powers really are, they call it peak human performance, peak human.

Batman as a superhero was the best a human could be, developing the best technology and being as strong as he possibly could with a strong moral code. And so I was a fan. I was a fan. It was great content. Superman was okay,

but I didn't much care for heroes who just had powers. I liked regular people who were better i loved the michael keaton batman it's good stuff yeah you know i like the x-men and spider-man and all that stuff but batman was always like you can just train what i absolutely love this scene in uh justice league where they're interrogating a super villain and superman's threatening him the guy's laughing at him and then batman shows up and they're like, Bruce, we can't get him to talk or whatever. They use their first names in Justice League, right? And he goes, let me handle it. He walks with the guy and he leans in and whispers and the guy goes, I'll say anything. I'll say anything. And what I loved about that was

Batman is just a guy, but he could do things no other superhero could do. He trained himself to be the best. He built the best technology and he put himself above all of the other superheroes. It's a great character. It's a great inspiration because it was just someone writing a story, to be honest. But the story was that, and this is widely believed in comic book lore, Batman can defeat literally any, as it goes, Batman will defeat any supervillain or hero given enough preparation. End of story. That's what makes him so special.

Like the one where his list of all the ways to defeat the Justice League leaks. Right. It was a great arc. And they did a crossover with Marvel and DC, and Batman defeated the Incredible Hulk. How did he do it? He threw nerve gas and then struck Hulk's solar plexus, causing him to inhale, and then the Hulk passes out. See, that's great. Batman's the best.

That's good stuff. It is. And then they ruin and bastardize with all the weird woke garbage. But my point is I'm not a big fan of kids looking up to fictional characters, but some fictional characters are still good. What they need is good role models, and you were pointing this out when you said they destroyed jordan peterson well they it's it's i don't watch uh these kinds of films necessarily i'm not against them but what these are archetypal story typing uh storytelling and archetypal heroes and uh this is very much joseph campbell the hero's journey and this is what we actually need for kids i think think, is in the stories.

And we destroyed that in movies. We went away from that at our peril. And I think that going back to those great stories, you said it earlier, reading great books. It's not just the act of the book. It's because the example in those stories, these archetypal things, there's a reason why these biblical stories still resonate with us. And that's where the ultimate archetypal stories are. I blame conservatives. There is that one specific story I can think of. Jesus Christ and it's a spectacular tale.

I blame conservatives. So, not completely obviously, I'm somewhat being antagonistic on purpose, but... I blame boomers, but we'll come back to that. No, boomers made the next generation. Captain Picard was a great role model. Talk about that. That scene when data asked Captain Picard if terrorism is so deplorable, why has it been so successful throughout history? And Picard says these are questions that men have struggled with for for eons. And he says, I don't subscribe

to the belief that political that political power is derived from the barrel of a gun. Awesome role model. But my point is this. I'm back on a TNG rewatch. So good, always. The first Avenger, Captain America, it was a $140-$216 million budget. You combine that with marketing, and its box office was $370 million. I'd imagine, Brett, that implies it actually lost money, doesn't it?

Probably. I mean, it has to make two to three times its budget. That's right. Now, what was this movie about? It was a scrawny young man with a myriad of ailments who kept trying to enlist to join the war front, to be combat in World War II, to ship out. And they kept rejecting him because he was scrawny, frail, flat footed, sickly, asthmatic. But his character was so good and he persevered that they had a project, the super soldier project.

And one of the doctors saw in him nobility and honor. He jumped on the grenade. He jumped literally in the movie. Jack Nicholson or I'm sorry, Tommy Lee says, we don't need scrawny, we need strong. And he pulls the grenade and throws it. It's a dummy. And all the guys jump away and he jumps on it. And what that was saying was that you might be weak.

You might not have the strength. You might be sick. But a noble spirit and biggest and biggins the smallest man. What's so funny over there? And so that movie was tremendously conservative values. He's he's a 1930s guy. He wants to date the girl. He's very pure and very clean.

He wants to serve his country. And we didn't get conservatives cheering the film on. It was just kind of, sure, fine, whatever. So what ends up happening is the squeaky wheel gets the grease. This is the kind of movie you want to promote your kids and say, you can be a hero, too. Just be of good spirit and be of honor and truth and justice. Then they made Captain Marvel. Is that the girl one? It's the girl one where she's not she gets the power by powers by accident. She doesn't deserve them. She just gets them. And then she immediately becomes a snooty evil

woman who steals a guy's clothes because he told her to smile. She has to defeat the man who keeps telling her to control her emotions that movie did a billion dollars why because movies like captain america before it were so good no it made a billion dollars because endgame wasn't out yet because the next one did for sure yes okay but the point was the movies were so good people wanted to see endgame so when they announced they were doing this movie people went and saw it and then they got the inverse message haha girl power sells and captain america doesn't when in fact it's it's actually proven not to be true because they haven't even advertised any of the women from the marvels for the upcoming doomsday so i do want to at least jump to this uh one story before we get a super chat so we're pushing it but we got this one from msnbc Panel melts down after Trump says he's serious about running for a third term.

Oh, quick reaction, guys, to that Trump comment entertaining a third term. You first, David. Believe him. I think the biggest mistake of the last eight years is we somehow fail to give credibility to Donald Trump's whims and his impulses. But we know it's true. And January 6th was a perfect example. If he says that he's not ruling it out, he's not ruling it out. And January 6th was a perfect example. If he says that he's not ruling it out, he's not ruling it out. And we consider we should consider it a constitutional threat. OK, Susan. He's been pushing the envelope on testing the Constitution. So I expect that he'll continue to do that, maybe by seeking out a third term. But more importantly, short term,

we're not talking about Signal and that scandal. Oh, cringe. But that's the point here. Donald Trump said he's serious about running for third term. He's not joking. And I'll tell you why he did, because it changes the news cycle. And she points it out. All they want to do is talk about Signalgate, which is like the biggest non-story I've ever heard. Like, I'm going to say it again because I don't care about Signalgate. The Department of Defense, the government, the president, they loop journalists in when they determine journalists should be looped in. A journalist got looped in. OK, I don't care. Now, do you guys think that Donald Trump is actually going to run for a third term? No, no, I don't think so. All of the machinations of how it would have to happen would involve like some sort of J.D.

Vance running, winning and stepping down. And just on the basic of that alone. No, no, no. No, Trump actually ran for office. No, I don't think that he would do that. What if they were talking about a loophole? Right. But what if what if Trump does run in 2028 and when they say you're ineligible, he says, so sue me. And he brings it to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court then determines that I believe what's what the 22nd Amendment is actually unconstitutional. Maybe they'll decide that it was signed with auto pen. Oh, yeah. It is therefore,

you know, void. No, I don't. I don't think it's I don't think that's going to be the jam. This is why you're your liberal aunt hates you because they I'm serious. I'm seriously. We talked earlier about people blocking off Tesla drivers and cutting them off and pulling them out of cars and hitting them. It's these types of comments that absolutely fill their minds with the most fantastical worst case scenario they've ever heard. They think he's a dictator. They think he's a fascist. And when he says stuff like this, it sets up especially the politically uninformed, the ones who only see headlines, the ones who don't look into it, who haven't paid

attention to when people say outlandish things to change the news cycle. It would actually make him more likable to people if they were like, look, he's kind of scummy. He's trying to change the news cycle, but he's not doing it on purpose. But he's not doing it to actually seek a third term. That's actually more politically intelligent and diabolical. But that's not what they're going to take from this. They're going to take that they think he's a fascist dictator. and it's going to ruin your Christmas. It's going to ruin your

4th of July. Well, it's not going to ruin my Easter because liberals don't celebrate that. Exactly. What if it's all just ironic support because we're sick of the left? So, you know, during the holidays when the family's like, he said he's going to run for a third term and we don't really want him to, but we're like, good, I hope he wins. Go Trump. And we just, you know, ingest or ironically support it. And then we find like 20 years later, Robo Trump is still president. Yeah, one thing I keep the person I keep thinking of when they talk about the Trump third term is Christine Quinn, who was the head of the city council when Michael Bloomberg determined that he wanted to run for a third term. And she backed his run for a third term. And that was the end of

her political career. And I think that there are a lot of people who would not back Trump's third term, whether they were in favor of it or not, because that would be the end of their political career as well. Because I don't think that he would get the pass like Bloomberg did in New York. He's doing it makes it quite tricky to to support him because it seems so ridiculous. It does seem silly. And it's kind of for all the people who hate him like imagine it was biden had said this would you laugh it off like we're laughing well well to be fair biden declared a new amendment to the constitution with no authority he literally went era yeah and said the era is now an amendment to the

constitution and the democrats all agreed with him and cheered for it. Sorry, what's the ERA? The Equal Rights Amendment. It was proposed in the 70s. And then it was like, you know, so women could have equal rights across the country because apparently all the laws that said we had equal rights across the country were not valid somehow. So it had to go get ratified by all the states. And it didn't get ratified by enough states in enough time. And so it was void. And the Supreme Court said, that's void. You can't keep voting on that. Well, it was it was it did get enough votes after the deadline, after the deadline, which the courts were like, yeah.

So the ERA, let me pull this one up, states Article one, equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by any by the United States or any state on account of sex. The Congress shall have the power to enforce by appropriate legislation the provisions of this article. Section three, the amendment shall take effect two years after the date of ratification. And this is why Biden says Biden says the Equal Rights Amendment is law. What happens next is unclear. Well, and this is like all the all the the women who oppose trans and gender ideology were against this because Biden had already remade the definition of sex to mean that men who say they are women are women. So you already had a lot of women opposed to the E uh who were not supporting it after it got enough votes after the deadline so that was fair enough you've got me on that one uh but then if i can just on this uh this question one thing i noticed about um trump is that he'll say a lot to try and

push the conversation and then it's it's out of stuff, right? He'll say the overplay, he'll say a ridiculous thing, and he ends up getting something that actually is great along the way. Two recent examples will be Trump, Mara Gaza. He said that America is going to take over, which, by the way, his base don't want anything to do with another foreign issue. So it wasn't appealing to his own. Mara Gaza. But what happened was that the Arab League nations came together

and they came up with a $53 billion deal to actually get it. And so it proved. Now, a second thing would be him saying, we don't want to, Europe needs to do more for defense. We don't want to have to shield everything that's going on in Russia. And he kind of over over steps it and then you have the oval office which that scene and what actually happened out of that was that europe stepped up so he's kind of something ridiculous happens and he gets his way and it falls now what i don't understand with him saying he's going to run for a third term is what is exactly that he's hoping to what's the

what's the art of the deal in this what's the thing he's hoping to get out of it i think what you're saying is that he's trying to move the news cycle along and just yeah so trump the funny thing is that democrats have argued trump does this but they always seem to get amnesia and the issue is whenever there's a big scandal donald trump will say something outrageous which triggers the media the media then goes for the sensational headline and abandons the thing that's actually politically disadvantage uh disadvantageous which is what in this case well i think signal gate wasn't going away that's that's that's an obvious one but you don't think okay so signal gate you said wasn't that big a deal

right now i don't think signal gate is at all a big deal in America. I don't think Americans care about Signalgate particularly. I think the media and the chattering classes do. I think it's a big deal in the rest of the world. What? Because... Well, they don't know anything about our government. That might be the case. But I think what a lot of had happened is a lot of people will have seen Signalgate and been like, oh america really don't really want to get involved

that they're really you know i think russians right russia and china and the adversaries of america will see that and be like this is a china will be like this is a really good time to invade do you mean the messages of signal gate that i've seen the leak itself yeah but but so my arguments initially i'm not entirely convinced now, but was I wouldn't be surprised if they brought Goldberg into that chat on purpose because he would be tricked into espousing their talking points, which it really does seem like is what he did. When you read these chats, I said there's no shorthand and text groups usually have more messages than this in shorthand, not a perfect scripted yes, no, yes, no. That seemed weird to me. Why would they be having this kind of talk

two hours before the strikes? Why wouldn't they be flying to D.C. and having a discussion in a secure conference room or the SCIF to discuss these attacks going over logistics? For what purpose would that check even exist? It makes no sense to me. Not to mention there was no classified information in it, save the argument that launch times may be classified. I don't think they actually cared all that much. I don't know if the probability dictates that they intentionally brought Goldberg in, but, you know, because they wanted to trick him. But the message that came out, J.D. Vance, this is not aligned with Donald Trump's message. The American people don't even know who these are.

I could not have dreamed up a better statement to the American people. Yes, a very good statement to the American people, but it's not them that is the problem. It's what Trump and his team care about. Of course it is, but the message it sends to the adversaries of America, and I appreciate this is an America first. And I also appreciate very much the message within the signal. To address what you said about Russia and China, Trump campaigned on this. So Russia and China should already know.

Iran should already know. Trump's not interested in foreign entanglements. He told the American people no new wars. He was championed by the libertarians specifically because he didn't start new wars. That's the case. But Trump is also realizes strength, peaceful strength. He's he understands the power of determined deterrence. Sorry. And so he's not someone who's like, oh, he wants no war by saying we're prepared to use war. He's he is he's that kind of a president. He understands the power he wields as American president and that that peace can come that way.

So what the message is, the fear that my concern with those messages is that it's like, oh, he's actually not prepared. He was, you know, China could take Taiwan and Trump doesn't want to get in. I disagree. Pete Hegseth, I think, was Hegseth who said the messages. We have to do it. We're the only ones who can do disagree. Pete Hegseth, I think it was Hegseth, who said in the messages, we have to do it. We're the only ones who can do it. We just need him to pay us for it. So then he went ahead and did it. Yeah, I got to be honest.

I think one of the reasons they're hammering so hard on Signalgate, the scandal, is because they don't want Trump to get the PR narrative out about the messages that were sent. If the story was the context of the messages, it's a great story for Trump. A journalist reports on the deliberations,

deep and thoughtful. Look at what the spokesperson said. This looks like a deep and thoughtful deliberation over an attack. Trump knew that if he launched an attack on Yemen, it would make him look bad in the eyes of his supporters. A video of that, the interview I did with Trump ended up getting a lot of play because Trump said said we are not going to do this. Diplomacy will work. So I imagine it like Trump says we got to bomb the Houthis. They're blocking the Red Sea. Europe's pissed. And then they're going, we could. But if we do this, your base is going to be pissed off. We do not need foreign entanglements. Trump said, well, we got to do it. How do we how do we get the message away that we look reluctant and we don't really want to do it

to the American people who majority of them do not want war? The narrative shifted away. I mean, this is crazy. Glenn Greenwald's blasting this off. I'm getting tagged by tweet after tweet after tweet from all these personalities saying, look at what Trump said to Tim. We are not going to do this. And then what happened a couple of days after that story, when Trump was in the scandal over all the activists and people complaining about the military strikes, it shifted to this evil journalist leaked information on the president to make him look bad. They didn't even want to do it. All of a sudden, the conversation on the right and in America about why Trump was bombing a foreign country was gone. And the only thing

that mattered was some doofy moron accidentally texted a journalist, which is the biggest non story. Holy crap. OK, so I'll go over that real quick. One one simplified point. What matters more that Donald Trump started bombing Yemen, a country we are not at war with or a journalist published some messages? if that's the case why forgive me if i'm being slow here why then do the third term thing as a red herring why would you want to get people off that story i don't know that the the third term thing is specifically to shift the narrative off of signal gate right it may be um it could be the deportations the other thing that signal gate distracted from is Trump was was in the

thick of it with Lloyd, with the judges over his deportations of Trendy Aragua. The reason why he wants to get the PR off those they fundraise off it. The media runs these stories about deportation. Trump has to then deal with all these legal battles where they're raising tons of money. I got to say, Signalgate was a great story for Trump in so many ways. There's nothing to fundraise off of. When deporting a gay barber, they're going Donald Trump or what was the name? Romesa? Something like that. Yeah, Osterk or whatever.

They say his brown shirts are kidnapping people. We need your help. Donate now. The Gestapo is here. Trump's a fascist. Now the whole story in the press is Trump's guy texted a journalist. Whoops. What do you fundraise off of? Stop Trump from texting the Atlantic. Give us money. Nope. Can't raise money off that. So Trump running for a third term may actually help them, to be honest. So I don't know why he does it. To be honest,

sometimes Trump just says dumb shit. You know what I mean? He's that kind of guy. Steve Bannon mentioned it and he goes, well, I'll do it. Maybe I'm not joking. He's poking fun or he's prodding, whatever. Yeah. But he does like to say stuff. But maybe I'm crazy. Maybe they really just brought some moron into the chat.

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Rumble Premium Users Only. Use promo code Tim10 and you'll get a discount on your annual membership. Let's see what y'all got to say. Tbomb. He said this before the showall got to say. T-Bomb. He said this before the show even started, by the way. Civil War. Sorry, those aren't brain-dead Dems. They're just zombies.

Timcast members seven days server will be on War of the Walkers mod soon. Info on Discord. Oh, okay. So if you guys go to Timcast.com and join the Discord server, they have a seven days to die server there. You can sign up, play video games with other people. I thought it was going to be a more serious one about Civil War, but well done. Let's go. Cochizzle says, hey, yo, chicken, much love.

All. Did I get first? You didn't, but I like the chicken emoji. It's greatly appreciated. All right. The Real Hydro PX says, Tim, I liked the hoodie you were wearing on Friday, but what will you tell your kid

when they get old enough to ask why you dress the same every day? They won't. Because they're going to, every day, see me wearing the exact same thing, and it'll be normal, and they're actually going to say, Dad, or she's going to say,

how come people wear different clothes all the time? And'm gonna say because they haven't found their identity yet and they're constantly trying to find ways to stand out poor poor people poor people i'm kidding by the way all right let's grab some more what do we got philip mitchell says trump 2028 i would certainly vote for him over any Democrat. Yeah, I would. Grog Bear the fearsome says, holy crap from Mumford and Sons. That was my high school experience. Glad to see and hear you. What's up?

There you go. Glad to have soundtracked your high school experience. I hope you had a good high school experience and it wasn't a negative association. What is this? Shugi says 90% of this country has never thrown a punch. Let's be serious. Women have thrown more fists than the men. I don't know if that's true. Unless they're driving Teslas, then people are throwing punches left and right. Well, actually, this might be true. There's there's two questions. Well, there's a lot of questions. But one is there's more guys

doing combat sports. So they're throwing a lot of punches however on average a woman's punch is not that bad so they're probably throwing punches more because there's less of an impact if like a woman playfully punches a guy in the shoulder actually hurting him doesn't really hurt him that bad it's like you know a light jab guys tend not to punch unless they really have to because a guy actually punching would flatten you know a lady or other guy men are doing more contact uh sports and and and uh whatever what do you call it wrestling and mma and all that sports combat sports do you think that that reduces the amount of fighting out in the streets because people oh yeah more more constrained they have a place to vent that sort

of energy and more control over themselves so uh so if that is true then yes women may well be throwing more punches indeed yeah well i think again the consequences of women throwing a punch is minimal consequence of a man is great so guys are going to be refraining from punching but i don't know i don't think it's true i'm saying there's a potential argument there yeah Yeah. Crash Bandit says leftists are locking political opponents up all around the Western world. This is not just a USA problem. France, Poland, Hungary, on and on. Yep.

Yep. We've seen that today with Marine Le Pen, who's favorite for the 2027 presidential election. And she has been down for embezzlement. Which is fake. It's all fake it seems a little it was that uh she was she was paying aids with money that was supposed to be for aids from a different region or something or a different country even if it was real the current sitting prime minister not president prime minister of france whose name i think is by rue i've forgotten exactly uh had very similar charges and he did not uh get

the same sort of punishment so there's a different uh double he was found guilty but not uh not barred not barred and and um so there's definitely a double uh standard she is a big threat to um Europe because she is anti-EU um I would note, and it's important to note, she is a national socialist, and she's described as far right. The Parti Rassemblement National are very much national socialists and far more right than anything

you would imagine here in America. I saw this really great post on an anti-Trump subreddit. I think it was actually called anti-Trump. That's a subreddit. I browse all of these forums and stuff. I like to really great post on an anti-Trump subreddit. I think it's actually called anti-Trump. That's a subreddit. I browse all of these forums and stuff. I see what the left is talking about. And it said something like, how do I explain to my relatives how bad Trump is? And one of the top the top comment was Trump is trying to destroy the liberal economic order that was created after world war ii to create strong

economic ties between nations that would prevent the world from falling into further chaos he's trying to destroy this and dismantle it because he cares more about america blah blah and i was like based well that actually ties it have you read rusty reno rr reno um this this is this is a something that i a worldview that i prescribed to which, which is that after the war, Karl Popper wrote his book, The Open Societies and Its Enemies. George Soros was one of his students at the London School of Economics. And what Popper did was he separated the world. He created this dichotomy, one which I believe is a false dichotomy, is that open societies, you had democracy, freedom, liberty, and in closed societies, not only did you have fascism and Nazism,

which we all agree should be, are bad, but he also threw in nationalism and religion. And so, but more importantly, that book has the footnote of the tolerance paradox, which is that anyone who incites intolerance, that should be deemed criminal. And the reason why I think that this comment is right, because the populist movement we're seeing worldwide is a, I think, reaction to the post-World War II consensus. And a lot of the globalism, the Davos, this comes from that consensus, is that one of the lessons from World War II is nationalism is bad.

Actually, in America, I don't think you learned that lesson because it was America's... America defeated Nazism because of your nationalism. We defeated it with nationalism. You did. In Europe, we learned a different story, which was that it was nationalism that caused the World War II. But we ended up with anti-nationalism eventually and the destruction of our borders.

Yes, and I do think that that was born from this ideology. And I do think that Trump and all the populists history hit, you know, we were definitely anti-nationalist, anti-America, anti-conservative values, anti-religion, all of that stuff. And the populist movement is a sovereigntist movement. It's about sovereignty. It's about the people taking back control of their borders, of their democracy, of their power. That's what Brexit was. And that's what I i see what happening in argentina a lot of the maloney in italy france get le pen kind of gets put into that and she's a bit complicated in my opinion but

yeah let's read this one we got we got this uh from jeremy over the quartering tim please shout out brad shimmel and yes on voter id the vote is tomorrow in Wisconsin. We need the beanie crew. We're behind but can come back. This is big. You've got a major issue with the Wisconsin Supreme Court. They are they're going to redistrict. That's the the fear. And they're going to give Democrats two new seats and take them from the Republicans if this happens. So everybody in Wisconsin, you must look this up. You got to do what you got to do. You got to do your duty. You got to go vote. You got to go vote. And this is what Elon's doing up there, right? Indeed. Yeah. If you're lucky, you might get a million dollars from Elon if you.

I love it. Elon. I'm a big fan of Elon. Has he been on the show? He has not. But he fit right in here. Yeah, probably. We've talked about it before. You know, here's the thing with how we do booking. We're not very forceful. So, you know, we've had a lot of people from the Trump admin and even the Trump family come on the show. And they'd always say, like, we can get you a show with Donald. And I'm like, like. If it happens, it happens. I'm not the kind of guy who goes and pounds on the door over and over again, begging, you know, this kind of stuff. So we've reached out to Elon. He's he's actually, I think, agreed to on some occasion, but we just never really get around to it. He's a busy guy. He's a busy guy.

But we'd be lucky to have him if we ever did. He does follow me on X, but I try not to pester people. People try to DM me all the time and stuff, and I'm like, everybody's always trying to go up the ladder of who they can DM for some favor or whatever, so I try to avoid them. Have you always had your, you always, you say that, but you also was very warm and you seem to look after people. Have you always been like that with Not Pressuring?

Was there a time at the beginning when you were building this thing where you actually did? Because when I started with my show at the beginning, trying to get guests is that bloody hardest thing. Yeah, no. To a certain size, people want to come on the show because they know it's good for them. But you weren't like that at the beginning? No, no, no, no. So, you know, we got lucky. In the beginning, we had a few guests who were not, you know, particularly as big.

I think Corey DeAngelis was one of our first guests. And then we weren't planning on doing guests. We were like, we'll see what happens. COVID happened and we had no guests. But the show ended up getting really big because of the lockdown. Everybody was watching podcasts and nothing else to do. And then when they lifted the first lockdowns, we started booking people. We had a massive viewership at that time.

We were getting, I mean, it was nuts during COVID. We were getting like over a million per day every night. No way. Yeah, it was absolutely bonkers. And the segments from the show were getting like half a million each. Wow. No way. Yeah, it was absolutely bonkers. And the segments from the show were getting like half a million each. Wow. Absolutely ridiculous. But the ad rates were gone because nobody was buying ads anymore. So we weren't really making a lot of, we were making a lot of money, don't get me wrong, but like relative to the views we were getting, the money wasn't

there. Don't get me wrong, like a lot of money was made. But what were the views before COVID? What's that? was we like we started right when like two months before covid started we were getting like between two and seven thousand concurrent viewers my morning show was big which now irl is the big show but uh before we launched irl timcast uh the morning show my main podcast was like the 34th biggest in the world wow are you still doing that show now yeah but now it's not even on the charts. Okay. IRL took it.

Ran away with it. Sorry, so this is IRL? This is IRL, yeah. Okay, okay. So you do a morning show and you do this? Yeah, so there's Timcast on YouTube, which is now largely the Culture War, but we brought back the – so it's an hour-long daily news on what was usually the biggest story. And so that channel's basically come back every day at 4 p.m we're putting up those videos again and then um

then then we've got segments at 10 noon 1 uh 3 and 6 okay so it's five independent independent 20 minute and four 10 10 minute segments an hour-long show which is exclusively on rumble live at noon but then becomes the hour youtube video at four and then timcast irl which is two and a half two hours 45 minutes and did 20 did you have a good 2024 of the election year that must have been a big bump oh yeah yeah they've all been good yeah and is it that have you maintained into 2025 is is uh i mean actually yeah so our viewership's improving but it's largely to do with strategy and work and things like this. So strangely, you know, a year ago when YouTube launched shorts, we were getting millions on every short and then they changed the algorithm. And now it's prioritizing a different style of short.

And now we get only a few thousand despite doing them the exact same way. That's the annoying thing about how YouTube changes the algorithm. But now we're changing the algorithm again and we're making unique videos. The goal is obviously in the morning show we it'll always do better than IRL shorts because for the morning show, it's like I watch and react to content all day. And the shorts are just minute long versions of that. So we found a better way to do them. But yeah, viewership is largely improved. In fact, when we launched this deal with Rumble, our IRL viewership more than

doubled. Wow, fantastic. So seriously, yeah, it's pretty crazy because when we launched in mid-February, we were getting on average maybe like 50,000 concurrence on YouTube. When we joined with Rumble, it split the audience a little

bit, but today I think we had 67,000 concurrence. So Rumble's audience is a different audience that didn't know the show and didn't watch it. But now that we're there, they get exposed to it. So it's kind of crazy because now on Rumble, we get like 300 to 400k. On YouTube, we get like 300, 400k. Then on the audio side, we get 100 to 200. So we're getting like a million an episode now with with the Rumble deal. Rumble, I don't know if you guys saw this. Shout out to Rumble. They own almost every single top live news show now. So the rankings that come out every day, last Monday, on the 24th, the top 15 live streams for news content, 11 were Rumble. It's wild. And there are people

they don't like Rumble taking over the game. They don't like it, but it's happening. So it's the top three, actually, I think, were Crowder, Vince, and then me. And then you've got Viva Frye. I think I can pull it up, actually.

There's something I've been noticing. I was wanting to pick on your guys' attitude from the inside, but looking at the American media scape, it seems to have changed quite a lot even since the election. Here, take a look at this. And this was last Monday. I believe it was last Monday, right?

The 24th? Am I getting this wrong? Yeah, last week Monday. Crowder, number one. Vince, number two. Tim Kast, number three. Quartering, number. Crowder, number one. Vince, number two. Timcast, number three. Quartering, number four. Timcast IRL, number five.

Bongina Report with Evita and Haley was six. Redacted News was seven. Then you had Live Now from Fox at number eight. And number nine was Timcast IRL again on YouTube. So you got three in the top ten. So the funny thing is... You got the Beatles of newscasting. The funny thing, if you were to combine the two shows we probably would

have been uh tim castillo probably number three but then you have uh julia green on rumble bannon's war room on rumble viva fry on rumble glenn greenwald on rumble then benny johnson and then midas touch the top 15 11 were on rumble because rumble's doing not only they're doing the morning lineup but they're also featuring people throughout the day on the front page which is free advertising for people who are producing good content who are on that platform that's and this is top news if you look at the actual top uh all streams i think tim cast was number four because there was someone on like kick or whatever doing gaming content that always wins but yeah it's been massive man only one you could say is from the left is glenn greenwald and he's from the old left is there The only one you could say is from the left is Glenn Greenwald,

and he's from the old left. Is there anyone else there? Midas Touch. He's super far left. Or I'd say far left. Glenn Greenwald is in our worldview. He's more of a liberal guy, but he's anti-establishment.

He's more likely to find himself on the free speech side. He's epistemologically pretty similar to us. He just has different ideas. This is actually massive. I will say this. The only true left liberal show is Midas Touch. On the whole of the top 15 in news. That's crazy. The top 15 news live streams, all all considered right wing. Now, if we actually want to break this down, it's not it's not all right wing. Now, if we actually want to break this down, it's not. It's not all right wing. You could say Crowder's right.

Vince is right. Tim Kast is moderate. Quartering is moderate. IRL is moderate. Bongino is right. Redacted is probably right. Definitely right. IRL again.

Julia Green is going to be right. Bannon is right. Viva Frye, moderate. Glenn Greenwald, liberal. Benny Johnson, right. Midas touch, left. One actual left. That's crazy.

Wow. Yeah. Shout out to Rumble, man. Even right now on Rumble, we got more viewers than YouTube. But... My show hasn't made the top 15. I'd be surprised. Oh, actually, it's not a live streams thing.

But you can see the Winston Marshall show on Rumble. If you're listening, I do. Come on over. The water's fine. Yeah. Is that where you broadcast? You're broadcasting on Rumble?

We do Rumble and YouTube. Nice. Yeah, the morning show has been massive, too. So you can see here, Timcast, the morning show, is the third biggest live stream. Since I launched on Rumble, the morning show is now getting, it was getting between 200,000 and 300,000 on YouTube. Now we switched it to exclusively for an hour on Rumble and it's getting 300 to 400 000 sometimes more then it goes up at 4 p.m as the the youtube video it's getting about 100 on average

but it's only been a week so we'll see those videos used to get on my main channel to get half a million um between between 250 to half million, but then I stopped producing those videos, so we'll see. I'd love to get your guys' opinion on what's happened to the media in America since the election. We know all about what's happened to the media before the election. It was the podcast election,

that's what they're calling it. So where are they going? And obviously since the election, you know, Gavin Newsom and Michelle Obama, they're trying to start their podcasts. But there's a few other curious things that happened. Firstly, what the hell is happening at the Daily Wire? Like, is it?

Oh, I've got I've got information. What's the scoop? We got to go to the members only uncensored, though. Oh, it is. It is past 10 o'clock. Yes. So I have information pertaining to what's going on the Daily Wire, of course, because I know these guys and I know people who work there. And so I hear whispers.

There are friends of the Timcast, we call them. We don't call them spies. Does anybody know that reference? I just watched Silo. I binged it. Great show, by the way. Yeah, Apple TV. Silo's good.

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