Timcast IRL - GOP Taking BACK California, Spencer Pratt SURGES In LA Mayoral Race w/ Josh Rainer & Rebeka Zeljko

Episode Date: May 23, 2026

Tate and Chris are joined by Josh Rainer & Rebeka Zeljko to discuss Spencer Pratt slamming the LA Homeless Crisis, California Governor polls are catastrophic for Democrats. violent crime plummets, Tulsi Gabbard resigns, and Hooters is dead.  SUPPORT THE SHOW BUY CAST BREW COFFEE NOW - https://castbrew.com Join - https://timcast.com/discord  Hosts: Tate @realTateBrown (everywhere) |  @TimcastTateBrown  (YT) Chris @ChrisKarr17 (X) Producer: Carter @carterbanks (X) |  @trashhouserecords  (YT) Guest: Josh Rainer @JoshRainerGold (X) Rebeka Zeljko @rebekazeljko (X) Podcast available on all podcast platforms! For advertising inquiries please email [e-mail]

Spencer Pratt is surging in the Los Angeles mayoral election polls. Things are heating up in Los Angeles. You know, many have speculated that America can't truly be great unless Los Angeles is great. And it's true. It is the golden state, probably the most beautiful landscape in the entire world. So it is true. If America is going to be firing on all cylinders, we need California back. So very encouraging to see Spencer Pratt, again, surging in the polls.

We're going to be getting into all of that. And thankfully, I've got two Californians in to discuss all this and so much more. Also, violent crime has been dropping rapidly all across the country. The FBI has put new data out indicating that things have never been safer in the United States. But many have pointed out anecdotally, it doesn't feel so safe. So we're going to get into that. We have one big story. I think everyone probably knows.

So there's no sense reporting it because everyone can feel it is food prices are soaring. I don't know if you've been to the grocery store anytime soon, but you need to take like a second mortgage out to get a T-bone. I mean, it's unbelievable what's going on in this country. We might invade Cuba. That'll be interesting. We'll talk about that. The fact that invading Cuba is the fourth story and the stack kind of tells you how things, how crazy things are getting in this country. And then finally, I would argue the most important story, probably of the last month is Hooters is going going to get into family friendly. There's a lot going on there. We're going to get into all of that. But before we do, we have a quick shout out from our sponsor. And I think Carter is going to be one holding down the ad read here. Yeah, I'm going to hold it down real quick. We've got to give these guys a shout out if I can find. We'll edit this in post. It was there last night. Yeah, I'll do it.

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And shout out to Enhanced games. We're very pleased to have them on board. I am your host, Tate Brown here, holding it down on this beautiful Friday. Our valiant leader, Tim, is still out, but he will be back with us after the Memorial Day break. I also want to give a quick shout out to Mo Monuments. At Mo Monuments, as you can see here, he has fitted me out with this beautiful George Washington statue. He's building much larger statues all across the country. Keep a lookout on your local roundabout.

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Who are you? What do you do? I'm just hanging out, pretty much. Let's go. L.A. native, born and raised, you know, always been into the fitness thing, and that was kind of my origins of posting. And then, of course, COVID brought that weirdly into the political sphere and can't avoid talking about it.

So now we're just trying to figure out how to save the country, save California, save Los Angeles. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, the intersection between Maha and hard politics became very evident that there's direct crossover there. Well, that was the weird thing, seeing all this blow up on the internet, you know, during the COVID time when this was just like my life for a decade plus. Yeah. You know, I had been someone who just started working out when I was young with my dad, like, you know, and then with sports and training and always gotten like weird diet stuff. And I was, you know, drinking raw milk in college. You know, I got into the paleo thing and all that. And, you know, I was, course. a little hesitant about certain pharmaceutical interventions.

And then all of a sudden it became one of those things where it's like my lifestyle became a branded thing that all of a sudden everyone was talking about. Yeah. Which is kind of weird because then you kind of get like the hips are like, hey man, this is like, this is my thing. But also I'm glad it's spreading. You just kind of don't know where it goes once it leaves kind of the people who sort of actually created it or like we're kind of born and bred in it.

Well, it's what they call on the industry. Upstream. You're very upstream from the discourse. We got the great Rebecca Zelko joining us today. Yes. Hello. Thank you so much for having me. Absolutely. Yeah, who are you? And what do you do? I am the national correspondent for The Daily Caller, but I'm also a California native. So I'm from Northern California, though. So there might be some rivalry here today. We're going to fight. Yeah, we'll try to break up any brawl. That's probably inevitable. We have the great Chris Carr joining us. Yes, thank you. I am a writer, journalist, editor, and former Californian who joined the mass exodus during COVID. Oh, man. Let's see you here. We've got two different. camps here, I would say, the stay in and the get out. So we got Olivia DASovic hanging out.

Yeah, hey guys. I'm Olivia. I run the Timcast Discord server here and memberships, generally speaking. I help build the community here. And we already gave away the game. We got Carter on the helm. Yeah, we gave it away here to represent and push some buttons and mix some audio. So let's make a pretty sick show for everyone tonight. Thanks for all of you coming. I love it. Well, let's jump straight into the news here. This is from News Nation. Spencer Pratt shakes up L.A. mayor's race with hard stance on homelessness. I mean, if anybody knows anything about Spencer Pratt, you've probably seen him ranting about the homeless, and that is long overdue, the fact that this has not been addressed by now. It's a full-blown crisis.

I'll just read here from News Nation, Spencer Pratt, best known for starring as a reality TV villain in MTV's The Hills 20 years ago, is an unlikely but promising candidate in the Los Angeles mayoral race. The 42-year-old has never held public office and has no political organization, making his long-shot candidacy even longer. He's a registered Republican in Los Angeles, where no Republican has been elected mayor since Pratt was 10 years old. All of that makes it even more remarkable that Pratt is holding his own against the established opponents. Polls show him on the heels of incumbent mayor, Karen Bass, trailing by just eight percentage points in an Emerson College poll, and ahead of the left-leaning third candidate, Nithia Raman. Now, of course, Nifia Raman was

leading in the polls for quite a long time. People were speculating she might be the West Coast Zoron, while Spencer Pratt had something to say about. that. And Spencer Pratt has been stitching together. One of the most impressive campaigns I think we've all seen in quite a long time. A lot of people say, you know, there's kind of shades of Donald Trump here, not so much on policy, but more so with the fact that he's just kind of relatable in a really strange way. You know, we're not used to relating to politicians in this country, but there's just something about Spencer Pratt. I mean, he's putting up pictures like this. He had a rally the other day in South Central Los Angeles. You know, this is a place where it would be unthinkable that

Republican could ever penetrate in any meaningful way. And if you go and watch the folks, photos and videos from the event, everyone was loving them. I mean, it's really unbelievable stuff. Obviously, in the polls, as the article noted, there's many polls coming out over the last few weeks that indicate he's neck-to-neck with Karen Bass. This poll is obviously, you know, factoring in all the candidates because first in Los Angeles, they'll have a jungle primary. So everyone runs in the first primary, and then the top two candidates advance to a runoff election. And right now, it looks like Spencer Pratt's going to head into a runoff election with Karen Bass, with quite a lot of undecided voters. And those are probably Spencer Pratt's to lose. Because again, I think everyone in Los

Angeles set this mind at this point either loves or hates Karen Bass. We had this article coming out, a few different outlets picked up on this. Trump is supporting Spencer Pratt in the LA's mayor's mayor's race, but it may be a poison pill. Some have pointed out that part of the reason Spencer Pratt seems to be doing so well in this race is because his entire campaign is actually quite detached from national storylines. I mean, this is a guy where every single word that comes out of his mouth is about Los Angeles, and that's why it's such a breath of fresh air. Many have feared that if Trump gets too involved here, it might spook L.A. voters when it comes time to cast a vote for Spencer Pratt. I think we should just get right into the meat and potatoes

here. I've got to ask the two Californians. Maybe Josh can really speak to this being a Los Angeles County native. Do you think Spencer Pratt has a chance? It's a very, very real chance. And that's the thing that we kind of have to get away from and people on the right just dooming all the time. Like we're never going to win. This is owned by this and that. Like he's clearly going to make it through the primary. And he has a very real chance of winning out right now, especially because of all the votes that all the other Democrat or left-leaning candidates are pulling from Bass. So you're kind of getting everyone who's against what's going on and been going on is going to lean more towards Spencer Pratt unless they're like hardcore.

leftists who would be going for like outright communist type thing. But it's very legitimate. And that's like whenever people are blackpilling, especially online, it's like we need to motivate everyone to vote who even has a slight inkling of because every single one of those votes matters. So sorry, I have a question quick. I think there's this perception of LA. I've never lived in California. I've never been to L.A. Is it as lefty, a lot of people there are they as lefty and crazy as people make them out to be? Or are there a lot? No, not at all. Not at all. And that's the, that's the thing about it because everyone assumes California, Los Angeles, it's the most left-leaning place, basically, in the whole country.

But Los Angeles County has more Republicans than any other county in the entire country. Huh. Is it just population? Population. Yeah. California has more Republicans than any other state, right? So what you're talking about is, yes, a blue-dominated state and city, but with tons of unrepresented Republicans or white-winger.

And not only that, but our liberals and Republicans are not like the rest of the country. You know, it's like our Republicans aren't like Bible Belt Republicans and our liberals aren't like Portland liberals. Yeah. Right. Everyone is kind of more towards the center. And I've, it's funny, like, you wouldn't think this at first, but the, the kind of vanity that people have from being in Los Angeles grounds them in reality because the actual, like,

it's, it's, your appearance is tied to actually like what you do as opposed to a stated belief. for principle. So like you can virtue signal all you want. And of course they do. We've all seen the Oscars where they say this and that. But at the end of the day, like, your meal ticket in Los Angeles is like your looks. And you can only go so far with the insane stuff before you just start to look like a freak. Yeah. And so weirdly enough, the people who live in La La Land are grounded, oddly enough, in reality somehow. I mean, that makes sense because I mean, you know, it's always been my analysis that the Northern California and Southern California liberals are quite different, where it seems like the ones in Northern California are a bit more prone to activism,

these sorts of things, where it seems more cultural in Southern California. I mean, can you attest to this at all? Yeah, fact check true. I would also say that, like, the article is, I thought it was really interesting that they had the line saying that his lack of political experience was going to be a disadvantage to him, where, like, we're now at least, that might have been the case traditionally, but, like, we're kind of in the age where, yeah, like, not coming from that traditional, like, you know, career politician background is actually a positive thing, like, popular.

politics is super is definitely on the rise. They likened that one candidate to Zerun Mumdani, but if anything, Pratt has more of that sort of Mumdani strategy because he is only talking about Los Angeles. He's, I think, I think he's made a smart decision to not necessarily tether himself to like the national MAGA brand of politics because at the end of the day, he's trying to win in Los Angeles. And so I think as long as he kind of keeps that distance, also him being, you know, a reality TV star, that kind of makes him qualified in a unique way to run

a unique city where like that is such a huge part of the industry. And I feel like because he's a Republican, but also because he has this, uh, this background in reality TV, it kind of gives people in the industry or who pay attention to that industry permission to vote for a Republican because he's like from their world, which is I think makes it a really interesting race to follow. A lot of celebrities are kind of like breaking from the traditional like lefty slant with this a lot too. Um, I saw something what he was like, I guess, I guess Leonardo DiCaprio and like Jamie Fox were like talking to him about like things that they would want to see done. Yeah.

Which means that they either think he can win or secretly voting for him. And I think we're also going to see a lot of people who are hesitant to state their support for him until like you kind of get that threshold breaking point where then they feel safe to do that. And so he's very, very smart with sort of like, yeah, I'm a retro Republican, but like I'm not running as a Republican, you know. And because you don't actually, it's not, it's not a partisan race in the first place. And, you know, he's like, mag, whatever. It's like, it's just not my problem. I'm focused on LA. He's, like, super oracle, too.

Like, I think that his, again, just to talk about, like, the fact that he has so much experience on TV, that translates super well in politics. Yeah. His TV ads are so effective. They're really entertaining and memorable. Whereas, like, pretty much any other, like, chud that does, that runs for Poffice is, like, doing the most scripted. you know, TV ad, and it's just like voters for the most part can see right through it,

and it just doesn't sit right with them. But when you see Spencer Pratt being like, yep, they burn my house down too. Yeah, literally. Super effective. Yeah, Republicans have a huge aura problem. It's been a huge, and it's like legit. Huge or a deficit. Yeah, real. And it's actually like a legit thing in politics. And so Spencer Pratt, this is why people say, reminds of Trump. I'm like, I don't think he reminds people of Trump in any way, except for the fact that he actually has like a bit of like gravitas. Like he actually, no filter, I think. Yeah, like you feel like when he was on that debate stage that you were in on the joke with them. Like, he sees how crazy this all is. And then you in the audience are like,

yeah, this is crazy. And then he breaks the fourth wall. So that's like the screen presence thing that him and Trump have. And also like what you're saying, familiarity with being on camera. Because, you know, people think of Trump as, you know, they talk about him like a billionaire businessman, but it's like also like remember the apprentice, like his reality show guy. And so, you know, Trump, you know, Trump always talks about like central casting. Like he understands, like, perception of things. And so he's like, Trump's aware of where the camera is. Yeah. And even if, if, Even if it's not super conscious, Spencer spent how much of his time, of his life on camera, and eventually you just become used to it.

You understand kind of how to present yourself in such a way, and it doesn't mean that it's fake. It's actually, in a sense, the most real thing ever because he's cutting through the lens and going actually right to the person. Because, you know, you're saying when the traditional Republicans do their ads, it's like, I'm Mr. Blah, blah, blah. And it's like, it's like, cool, man. He's got like a shooze fast on his shoulder. Yeah, it's just like,

you're a golden retriever. Everyone's totally checked out. This feels like kind of fake and really performative. And Spencer Pratt is just like, dude, they burn my fucking house down. Yeah, literally.

You know, all this stuff you want to argue about politics. It's like we're not even talking about all this like weird and like the weird granular crazy like really, really like policy type stuff outside of basic reality, crime, homeless, burning down.

Can we just like address the actual just tangible, everything to be, fixed and function to have a normal society before we ever have any of these other conversation you can that turns people off like breaking that right so what we've seen is like hi I'm so and so running for office in your district and he's not doing that you think that turns people off because it's almost like they don't it's like a certainly not no way not no way it's really interesting like to me that uh you said um was it uh Leonardo decaprio is like asking him questions like he's famously not somebody who I was

assume would vote for Spencer Pratt because he's an LA guy. Yeah, and there's two things going on here. One, when you're running in a city, the average population is going to be a lot lower, actually, than if you're running in a primary and a random district, because, again, usually those are going to be all elderly voters. So, again, coming across as, like, kind of a safe square, again, that's going to play to an elderly voter base who's going to get you through a primary where Spencer Pratt's trying to win a general election in a city.

So the average voting age in these elections are going to be younger. So he's kind of have to have a little extra edge to him. And yet, to your point, I mean, you can tell the consultants have not got to him because he was in that debate and the, you know, Zoron clone or whatever her name is, was like, oh, you know, him and Karen Bass are teaming up because they want to run against me. And he's like, what are you talking about? I don't want to run against her. She's an incumbent with like all the unions backing her. Why would I want to run again? And I was listening to, I was like, thank you. That's like the obvious answer. You know, every Republican get up and go like,

I don't care who I run against. I'm going to beat him and I'm going to take it. And it's like, I don't want to run against Karen Bass. When he ran for president the first time around, and he was talking about special interests on state. And the whole audience was like, Thank you for pointing out the obvious because he's able to actually, like, I don't understand the argument that like he is this super, like he's this billionaire, really successful, but like he's not pretending to not be that. Like he's like, yep, I am, but like I'm still going to do X, Y, and Z. I kind of get the same vibe from Spencer Pratt.

Like he's not pretending to be like a traditional politician or, you know, he's not selling you something that he's not, you know, actually. It's more authentic than any of the politicians. He's just leaning into his own persona. He's actually doing such a great job of going, I was the villain, right? And, you know, part of the villain was like, I was... Self-aware. Yeah, I know who I am.

And part of, like, his villain angle, you know, it's kind of like calling everyone else's bullshit. Right. So he's like, I'm playing the villain, the TV villain, which is like the real life, good guy. Yeah. Because I'm brave enough to fight through these people who present themselves as the good people, but they're the villains.

They're the one causing all this terrible destruction. And that's like just like Trump, he's owning who he is. You know, it's the last thing, when someone accuses you of something, the last thing you can do worst thing is get like super, super defensive. So you have to find out how they're either like, what do they say, like agree and amplify? Yeah. Right? So he's just like, yeah, hell yeah.

And I'm going to get shit done because of that. And that's like perfect. Absolutely perfect. Yeah, he's really good pairing those, like very canned attack lines. Like it was so predictable when Nithia or whatever name has got up and was like, he's a Maga Republican. He just went, ooh, because it's like not even worth. It's like not even, because the audience knows.

Like the audience aren't idiots necessarily. But something was interesting, you pointed it out, Carter pointed it out, with a lot of these celebrities that are probably eager to get behind them and they're going to like secretly support them, but they're not quite ready to go vocal. I think part of it is because of the way the press has been handling his campaign. This is in the Los Angeles Times. They say, Spencer Pratt's campaign spent more than $15,000 at Pricy Hotel Bel Air. So what's happening here is a lot of these guys are waiting for that permission piece to come

out from the mainstream media, the California outlets. They're waiting for a major outlet to come out and say, actually, it's okay. to vote for Spencer Pratt because I think they still are very conscious. You know, everyone says, oh, the mainstream media is relevant. For a lot of these people, they actually kind of wait for marching orders from institutions like the LA Times. And the fact that the LA Times is the knives out for Spencer Pratt really says a lot about, well, A, Karen Bass's influence in the state.

But the fact that just because he has an R next to his name, he's completely unpalatable to like, you know, the mainstream media institutions. So it's going to be kind of interesting to see what comes first. Will the permission piece from the LA Times come first? Or will it be a few celebrities just get up and say, you know what, screw it. I'm voting for Spencer Pratt. It's crazy that they're coming after him for staying in a hotel when his fucking house burned down. It's like he wouldn't have to stay in a hotel if you guys did your fucking job.

Yeah. And he had a house. Yeah. So when they're trying to do, oh, like, but do you really live in the trailer? It's like, this is my address. The house is gone. Right. Right.

I'm here. I'm there. I'm there. Because I don't have a house anymore. Mm-hmm. And that's just like, again, it cuts through everything. And that's why it's like, he has like a perfect origin story. Yeah.

Because it's like, he never would have. If everything had been normal, like the fire didn't happen, but everything else in California was like shit, who would we have? Yeah. Because we had Rick Caruso four years ago who ran like a, I mean, did anyone know about his campaign? Los Angeles, right? Like one of the top two most important cities in the whole country, did anyone, anywhere nationwide know anything about this campaign? Right. No, he was just like, again, kind of a stuffy old, rich business guy, real estate developer,

and lifelong Republican switched to Democrats so people would feel comfortable voting him. Like some of my super liberal family members were like, well, he sounds reasonable and this and that. And so they vote for him only because he has a D next to his name, though. If it was an R, they wouldn't. Right. And he got like 45, 46% of the vote. People are happy to vote for function if they don't have to like feel bad about it. Yeah, if you're constantly having to justify your vote, then you're going to struggle.

Well, so this is like the perfect thing about Pratt, though, is like, Caruso does like the cuck thing where it's like, I put a D next to my name and now that people vote for me. And again, Spratt's just like, okay, yeah, make me the villain, whatever. I'm going to fix it though. And you kind of, you can't beat that kind of like bravado. Yeah, absolutely. No, and it definitely, like, I think that there is always going to be a number of voters who just go with like name ID. like Karen Bass has the recognition to be like, okay, certain amount of people are definitely going to support her. She's been there for so long and like, you know, people just kind of check the box.

There's a lot of lazy voters just to be honest. Most of them. Most of them. Not everyone is politically involved. That being said, I do think that there are a lot of voters who are looking at the R next to Spencer Pratt's name and, you know, but then they listen to everything else that he says and they're like, this guy makes, he makes a lot of sense, but he's also like representing, you know, what I think a lot of people in Los Angeles are feeling. and it almost is kind of disqualifying at this point because of all of the dysfunction that has happened, not just in L.A., but as I'm sure you know, like throughout all of California,

to have already been in office and to already have political experience. It's kind of disqualifying because it's like you've already overseed the disaster for so long. Why would we reelect you? That's their biggest criticism of him is experience. And his perfect comeback is, look at Karen Bass's experience. She experienced burned down her city. She experienced not being in the city while it was burning down and then lying about it during a national debate and then getting brutally fact checked by like CNN of all people. Yeah, I mean, I don't really want a politician with experience if that's their experience.

Yeah. And to your point, I mean, and kind of one last point here is, I mean, that's Karen Bass's weakness actually is the fact that all those undecided voters, they all know who she is. That means that they're not willing to support her. I mean, you know, she could maybe pick off 10% of them, but everyone in Los Angeles has an opinion on Karen Bass. There's no one sitting around like, I don't know I'm on the fence about. It's like everyone either loves her because they're retarded or they hate her because they have eyeballs. So with that, I'm going to get to this next story. We're going to stay on the California topic here.

This is from KQED, like local paper obviously out of California. Hilton and Bekera lead Democrats for final poll for California governor. And California, the same way, L.A., they have a jungle primary. And what's funny is because, you know, initially these jungle primaries were set up in these deep blue states to keep Republicans out of the races. They wanted it to be runoffs between two Democrats. But they didn't factor in was that everyone would eventually start to hate them. And what they additionally didn't factor in is if a bunch of Democrats ran and then the Republican vote consolidated around one candidate, you would end up with a Republican on the ticket. Now, as it stands right now, Xavier Bekera has taken the lead and polling.

Most of it's because Swalwell dropped out and he absorbed a lot of those potential voters. So for a while, you know, what was happening was Steve Hilton, a Republican, and then Chad Bianco, another Republican, were leading the polls. and so people were like, could the runoff end up being two Californians? Now, that's probably not going to happen, but look, a lot of the vote is consolidating around Steve Hilton, where we could end up going to a runoff between Bekara and Steve Hilton. Steve Hilton, a lot of people probably remember him. He was on Fox News for a long time. He's British.

He actually was in David Cameron's government over in the UK about 15 years ago. But he's another one of these guys where he's got, he's media trained. He's not really nearly as kind of orifle, so to speak, as Spencer Pratt, but he still kind of got a little bit of that it factor, just a little bit. And he's obviously having to position himself in regards to national issues a bit more because he's running for governor of California. But the fact that he's holding his own in these polls, I mean, it kind of goes back to the point. I mean, California's still got some fight left in that. Yeah, I mean, that's like, that's what we're seeing is that people have had enough at some point.

So the Republicans are a little more invigorated themselves, but a lot of Democrats are kind of defecting in some way. And so what's kind of crazy, though, is Newsom was coming out and saying that, you know, if it came down to Republicans, it would be a sign of something, you know, illegitimate that he would have to intervene or something, which is, of course, you know, hilarious because we all know where the illegitimacy comes from. But he's just admitting kind of like how fraudulent and sneaky the Democrats are. But no, this is actually, this is a very exciting time to be a Californian and being from Los Angeles. Like, we actually have real possibility for. for anything. And that should be more exciting than for us as Californians more than anything else that like there's a future here. We don't need to abandon our own. Yeah. There's a lot of doom and gloom right now in the GOP, I feel like, especially when it comes to national politics. And so it's a weird time to look at California and to like feel reinvigorated about the state and the trajectory of the Republican Party. No, I mean, Steve Hilton, he definitely, his experience in TV, like, definitely helps, especially when you're up against, like, literally a bunch of nerds.

It's like, you know, it's whatever. I was kind of confused by a guy with a British accent and was like running for office in California has a precedent of Republican governors with weird accents being. Yeah, and I'm like, it's kind of, I mean, it's definitely not the worst thing about California, but it is, it kind of stops me my tracks every time. But like, when we're talking about the aura deficit and the GOP, why are we all like going for Steve Hilton when you have literally Chad Bianco? His name's Chad.

True. He's like a sheriff. He's like, yeah, I mean, he's a little rough around the edges, but like, I don't know, I kind of prefer that. I think it's great. No, I mean, like, aesthetically, you know, it's like he's like more obviously like California because he's not British. Right. You know, that's kind of, for sure. But, you know, like all like, again, this is like, I get so fed up with people who like, you want to be so nitpicky with politics.

It's like, dude, what can we actually do? Like, who can win? I, my full support is whoever who can win, right? So if Hilton's in the lead, he's out my full support. If Bianco's in the lead, he has my full support, right? Because Hilton's in the, I'm voting for Hilton in the primary because, just because he's winning, right? It really makes no difference to me. I just, like, we need something back.

But you're right, like, Chad, Bianco, it's better to get a big mustache. You got to let him do something. Yeah. He reminds me of like Curtis Slee-Wam. Like, given, like, a cool job. Just let him do something, like, morale booth. But you know what's funny is when people were, like, early on when people were like Steve Hilton, Steve Hilton, I was like, he's like two balls.

and two British. Yeah, literally. And, but so he grew a beard. He didn't used to have a beard. He was an incredible aesthetic choice to give himself a little bit more gruff, especially going up against a Chad. Right. You know, so it's really, really helping him.

And it is kind of funny how much those little things make a difference. You know, people always talk about like the Nixon, JFK when Nixon was a little unshaven. Sure. Lost him the thing. These, like, little things matter. But I just want California back. And so, you know, I would love, if it's the two of them, I wouldn't even care, you know? At that point, we could get into the conversation.

But if this goes to what you're talking to about, the rest of the GOP is just, like, falling apart. Because we're actually in power in some regard now. And when that happens, everyone starts attacking each other. And, you know, when we're losing, it's when we're great because everyone's like, well, just support whoever's on our side versus the other side. Yeah. And that's a problem that, like, you know, I think too many people on the right, they're just dedicated to being, losers. So they want to nitpick stuff. They want to just like attack our own side and fight over like

who actually gets to be in control of the thing when it's like, oh great, now the Democrats are just being left like uncriticized all this time. And they basically just have to do nothing but wait. Well, because it's existential for California Republicans or California conservatives because like, you know, this is the, I made this point the other day about how Roby Wade getting overturned was the worst thing that ever happened to the pro-life lobby because now they lost their one carrot on a stick that they could use for fundraising, and now they're all pissed off at Trump. And abortions are up. Yeah, and abortions are out.

But it's like, you know, that was their one thing. And now it's gone. It's like, well, what do we send in our newsletter now? Like, hey, we need to ban abortion in Wisconsin. Like, no one cares. Yeah, and it's kind of the same thing with Republicans where it's like, once we've won, that's the worst thing to happen to the podcasters, the conservative commentaries. Like, what do we complain about?

Now, like, conservative commentary is turned into sports radio where you have people calling in. They're like, the coach needs to be fired or like, you know, he should have been benched. Why is, why is Vance going to Pakistan? Like, you know, people get started to get really, and there's a lot to criticize about the Trump administration. Like, I'm not saying, you know, perfection, we shouldn't aspire for perfection. I'm just saying to your point, when we're backed into a corner, that's when you almost see excellence. Like, Trump, when he was running, part of the magic was because everyone thought it was over. Like, if you asked a Republican in 2014, if you asked anyone right of senator, they're like, yeah, it's going to be President Hillary and then we're all going to go into gulogs in 10 years.

And then two years later, Trump comes along and everyone's like, all right, yeah, let's do it. Why not? Like, if we're going to go out, let's go out and let's go hard. And that's kind of the same thing we're seeing with California where it's like, Once again, Republicans feel like they're backed into a corner somewhat. They're demoralized in large part. And then all of a sudden some hope comes along, and that just invigorates everyone. And so, like, that's also why I want to get to the point.

Because a lot of people in the audience are watching are very California critical, and they have a lot of ammo. Why should Republicans even aspire to take back California? It's worth it. It's worth saving. You have literally everything. You have the beach. You have the mountains.

You have the desert. Like, you can do, you can go skiing and you can go to surfing the same day. the same day. Because part of the... Well, yeah, because part of... They grow all of the food in America. They have Hollywood. I know Hollywood's like gay or whatever, but like...

But it used to be cool. Yeah, it used to be cool. Actually, it's... And it can be cool. Rambo, hello. Like, we totally gave up... We also partially forfeited that industry totally once we decided that it, like, wasn't worth of saving.

This is the point I want to get to is like, this has kind of been the problem, this temperament and conservatism is to, like, not retake institutions, is build parallel institutions. So they're like, well, we lost California. So let's build Texas to be the next. next California. And it's like, that's, I respect it. It's coming from a good place. But I think Elon Musk demonstrated the importance of retaking an institution because again, how many Twitter clones were there? You had like parlor, gab, even true social. And they all just like sucked. And it's like, he comes

along. He's just like, I'm just going to take it back. I'm just going to buy it and like take it back. And I think that should demonstrate to conservatives that like you can't build another California. And California, again, whether people like it or not, GDP-wise, most important state in the country, you kind of just got to take it back. Well, this is like, you know, what are the words liberal and conservative means? Like, are liberals liberal by definition of the word? You know, and it's why like I could, because to be a conservative means you're like, you're playing defense in like democracy, which means you're just, you can never gain ground.

You can only lose it. So like I conservatives don't want to win. And that's why Trump's like, I will show you people how to win. Yeah. Because you have to actually want to win. And then you have to try to win to ever win. And that's so like, whatever the Republican. party was for a long time. Like Trump has especially shown over this this current cycle that like

everyone that he endorses wins. Like this is Trump's party. And if you actually want to win anything, you have to be on the Trump train. Otherwise, you're just going to lose. Like forget once Trump's gone, whatever's left of the, the Democrats actually want to win. And this is, um, whatever you think of him, this is the, but Curtis Yarven's like best thought ever, which is that Republicans, like alcohol, the way a wine slop likes alcohol. And Democrats, like, alcohol the way, and alcoholic likes alcohol. Who's going to get drunk? Yeah, we're Trump's going to get drunker.

Yeah, and Trump's like, and I think this is like what California Republicans also kind of the same feeling is like, okay, a big tent that's full of just different types of people that just lose everything is just going to create a big tent of losers where Trump's like, I'm just going to eviscerate it all and I'm going to create one path forward where we actually win. And you can either join or you don't, but we're not going to leave any room on the margins necessarily. And it's like, you kind of have to admire that because again, the big tent, Republicans did

win elections. the Republicans won the majority of elections of the last 60 years, but everything got worse, because again, you just formed a big tent full of coalitions, full of ideologies that consistently lose everything. And then when you put them all in the same room, there's like, how do we lose, but like in a really beautiful way? I'm curious. I'm curious, Chris, you left California. You said in COVID, right? Do you have hope for California? Oh, no. Needless to say, I disagree with pretty much all of us. Honestly, there's so much hope and optimism in this room I find it bone chilling. I understand it.

I love California. It's the most... Bar none, the most beautiful state in the country, it's gone. Spencer Pratt's chances of winning? Zero. Zero. He is not going to win. And, you know, I mean, I think that, at least from the perspective of liberal voters in L.A., I think they find him generally, you know, kind of piggish and off-putting.

And I don't know, I don't understand this authenticity you guys are sensing. I mean, his whole campaign seems pretty manicured. And his leaning into the AI videos, don't forget, L.A. entertainment industry, it was like 12, 12.5% of L.A., they are not happy with AI. It's a huge. I have to push back on this because none of those are his campaign ads. His campaign is fully shot on red cameras. Like, I know his video guy.

And every time all these news people are like, oh, he's doing all this AI stuff, those are all fan-made. But those are the viral ones. Those are the ones that are speaking to voters. His most viral ones are not. No, no, no. The Bell Air one? The Bell Air one, that one's super viral. You know which one was, I thought, his single best one was Black Hole Sun.

I think it was like the Nora Jones version or something going down this like quiet little nice little street with one homeless tent at the end and how that thing makes every single mother in the whole neighborhood like feel unsafe. They are doing actual like traditional like filmmaking ads better than anything that we've ever seen.

That those are like the one with him, the reason why all that drama with him in the trailer but you don't really live there because that was the one that blew up. That was the one that went the most viral. These other ones are also, yes, they're going viral, but those are all, that's how much, like, people... It's just because he has a lot of traction. Yeah, he has traction.

People are fans of his, and so they're trying to make more content. No one's making Karen Bass. Yeah, no one's making Karen Bass. But they don't have to. They don't have to. I've seen an Nithia Rahman ad, and you can tell they were like, let's do the Mom Dani thing. They're trying. But it's so bad.

I'm sure. It's so bad. And look, like, I get what you're saying. I totally understand what you're saying. But the thing is is that all these people in a, like, I had a tweet that I gave like a dozen stories of like terrible interactions I had with homeless people. You know, I had something where like a girl OD'd and I had to call the police and all this kind of stuff. Like I got pushed into oncoming traffic by a homeless person, fires, you know, needles, human shit.

All this just insane stuff, murders, everything. And it's like a very, very small amount of my stories that I put in that tweet. And I got quote tweeted with people putting their own series of stories. People have had enough. doesn't mean that everyone is going to jump on board. But all this stuff online, which is like really, really great, at some point people realize that I don't feel safe in my neighborhood anymore. And they either have that survival instinct or they don't. But all this other stuff. And this is why he's so good about just getting to the actual reality of it all, that when you

kind of get away from the playing the politics game and you just see what's right in front of you, that is how you convince people. Yeah, he was talking about, I'm sorry, interrupt you. No, please, please. He was making a more of like an existential case to voters where he was talking, like you saw Karen Bass and this other girl, I keep forgetting her name, but they're, just think of like instant ramen, ramen. Yeah, it's easy. He's cheap.

You should lean into that in the campaign, honestly. That was, that seems like, not authentic. But they're both talking about, like, which committees they've been on are like, what, you know, what task forces that they've introduced. And Spencer Pratt correctly said, like, well, what task force or what, you know, how much money can you dump on this issue? Let's just go into an underpass, talk to a homeless person, try to give them money and you'll get stabbed in the neck. It's like that actually is the message that sticks to voters. Yes, but are more effective than anything the other candidates.

No amount of information is going to help low information people vote for their own interests. I mean, you're talking about the aesthetics of his ad. And, you know, at some level, there's an aesthetic sensibility in L.A., especially people in entertainment industry. But that's not going to outweigh the propaganda. And these people have been heavily propagandized for a very long time. So I just, I just, I don't have this polliana vision. So much before you step outside your house and like a homeless man screams at you and like friends you with a match. I understand that. And you spoke to that too. The minute you go in the voting booth, these people that, that, those experiences are going to get relegated to the back burner and they're going to pull the lever for the Democrat. I mean, sometimes, sometimes. I don't know. Like, look, that people do get mugged by reality.

Yeah. Like people do have the Drew Pavlo arc where you're super, super liberal. And then you get mugged. And then you're like, ah, fuck, no, these people should be in jail, actually. And so, yes, I, like, we would not be in this situation if every single person had, like, a functioning sense of reality and just reacted reasonably. But still people do at a certain point, people have their breaking points. The question is, have we gotten there yet? Are there enough of those people? I would argue that, like, literally having, you know, the palisades burned to the ground is a pretty, you know, that's a reality check for a lot of those voters. One would hope.

One would hope. But you were talking about Roe v. Wade. I think we've got a mini-situation here with Spencer Pratt with going hard on homelessness. That's an industry in California. Of course it is. And they cannot let that industry be decimated. They're going to hang on to that no matter what. Yes, there's going to be a lot.

There's a lot of money being put in to make sure he doesn't win because these people, you know, homelessness, industrial complex. Yes, exactly. The real estate developers, all of the people running these like nonprofits and they pat, like, someone who works for Karen Bass just got, arrested for giving drugs or selling drugs to homeless people and something like that, right? So they have all these things in place. You're right. The question is, is how many people are actually on the payroll of that versus the actual population? So then how many people are going to be affected by the propaganda put out by the people on the payroll, right?

So it's just going to be a game of who's can convince who. And, you know, again, but like all that aside, the reality has to come into play because so much a politics is kind of like sort of intangible, you know, like all these kind of things. It's like, oh, yeah, this policy, that policy, you know, and it's kind of, it's over there. It's a little whatever. A little abstract. Right in your face. Like, I have, I came home one time when I lived in Venice and I have a parking spot,

like right in front of my garage door. A homeless person had dragged a mattress and was sleeping in my parking spot, right? So like if I was a mom or like a woman or something, I would, I don't know what I would do because the front door, the door to my house was also right next to the driveway. Would I have felt safe parking my car on the street and walking in? No, what I did was I poked the guy with my foot and it was like, hey, man, you got to get out of here. And he's like, oh, dude, I just dragged the mattress. I don't care, man, you got to get out of here.

And I even, like, kind of like pulled it and got it out of the way and it was disgusting. But it's like, I would not have done that if I was a woman, I'm sure. And I shouldn't have to deal with that. And it's like if someone has that slapped them in the face at some point to be like, I can't even go to my own house. You know, and there are people, there would not be liberals if there weren't people would be like, that's okay. He probably needed it. You know, like that exists. That exists. But at some point, at some point those things, they take a toll on people. So, well, I think we should go kind of on that note. So this next story from the New York Post, FBI announces U.S. violent crime rate plummeted by fastest rate and nearly. 90 years, quote, changes are working. Violent crime fell across the United States in 2025 at rates not seen in close to a century findings from the FBI showed. Murder and non-negligent manslaughter plummeted by more than 18% nationwide last year, while aggravated assaults dropped

by more than 7% according to a preliminary report on national 2025 crime rates. Violent crime rates on the whole dipped by about 9.3 last year the data shows. And they put some graphics up here just kind of showing, again, this drop nationwide in violent crime. Now, I think there's two things going on here. One to Steelman and sort of support the Trump administration here is they have created an atmosphere nationwide of accountability. I think that it would be fair to say. I think even maybe even Trump critics would maybe concede that, yes, it does feel like there's a new sheriff in town. We have seen that they're willing to pull the rug out with federal funding whenever they feel like you're not working in conjunction with the Trump administration's agenda.

So I think a lot of these states, a lot of these police departments are now playing ball. I was talking yesterday on my show with Super Trucker, who has been exposing a lot of the H-1B fraud or just illegal immigrant scamming going on in trucking. Fantastic interview. It's up on the Tate Brown Timcast channel. He should go take a look. And he was talking about how California, funny enough, California, at the beginning of the year, eventually conceded. And they started changing a lot of the ways that they issue CDLs and these sorts of things. So a lot of these blue states are having to play ball at the Trump.

administration, and that is probably having an impact on violent crime. I mean, this is certainly what the FBI is touting. But one thing I want to say in addition to that is we have seen violent crime going down since COVID. We obviously saw a big peak during COVID, but nationwide over the last 30, 40 years, violent crime has been going down. Scott Greer has been making this point on Twitter. He's catching a lot of flack for it, but he's like, look, whether we like it or not, the data doesn't lie. The 70s and 80s were an exceptionally violent time in our country's history. And so a lot of this is just coming back down from that. that peak. So while yes, we should give the Trump administration credit for sort of creating this environment, this culture, et cetera, et cetera, it must be noted that it seems like Americans are just getting less violent. I mean, that would kind of be the takeaway. I'm curious why you guys think that that might be. What contributing factors do you think it be? Because I don't sense that this is necessarily blue states and blue cities, police departments firing on all cylinders. If anything, that would make it get, I mean, it should have been getting worse with the DAs. I mean, it's like a total wild west in some of these cities.

But we are seeing nationwide crime rates still continue to decline. Well, I mean, you know, I think obviously there is a very real decline. And then there's the question of especially like when Trump wasn't an officer, like how accurate all are these stats? We know a lot of like local departments don't track things the appropriate way. But I think a big aspect of it and maybe people might not feel that things are as safe as they are is, not the total numbers, but where they are. Sure. Right?

So we used to have a more, I mean, we had a quite literally segregated society, but then we had a more sort of class stratified. Yeah. And so it was harder to get people more stayed to the neighborhoods. And so maybe it's a thing where if you actually break up the really violent populations from their secluded neighborhoods and kind of spread them out, the normal people actually get faced with it more, but the total numbers go down. Yeah.

I mean, if you talk to New Yorkers, they'll say, like, you know, back in the day, you know, certain neighborhoods would be total war zones and then you would go a few people always say oh new york city the whole city changes based off what block you're in you know like you go to one block and you feel like you're in china and then one block you feel like you're in italy and the same thing kind of corresponded to crime where one block would be exceptionally dangerous and then you go a block away and you're like an elite society where when you visit new york city now you kind of get a fairly homogenous experience throughout the city i mean there's still our neighborhoods like you know canarsie that are exceptionally violent but generally like no matter where you are in manhattan for

example, maybe like barring East Harlem, there is this kind of general level of danger that you feel at all times, whether you're in, you know, Gramercy Park or if you're on the Upper West Side or that sort of thing. So I think that's correct is that crime. Yes, it used to be higher, but I think it was also more concentrated where now you feel like you could be a victim of violent crime, even if you're in Beverly Hills or even if you're on, you know, the Upper East side of New York. Yeah, I mean just because it's not as high as it used to be doesn't mean that it's still not, like, alarming or something that people encounter regularly, whether you're in California or in D.C. I remember when I was in college, this was post-COVID. Someone broke into my

car and stole $20 out of my car. So that was great. And then they broke into a bunch of other cars in the neighborhood and stole some families like baby clothes and things like that. Like, they'll steal the most random stuff. And it's like, okay, the crime rate, you know, might be lower, I guess. But, like, I'm still getting on the metro and, like, looking around and hoping that someone, doesn't steal my like Canada goose puffer, like that one video or, you know, whatever, or stab me in the neck. And that's still definitely a fear that people encounter regularly, like, can't go to Chipotle without getting hit in the head with the wooden chair, apparently.

But it's like, oh, no, but crime is down. It's like, sure, but it's still totally a problem. And obviously, it's a positive development. If that's the case, there are definitely questions about the accuracy of crime reporting in DC specifically. But, you know, it's still a real thing that people deal with constantly. Because there was this. I mean, this is a WREG, this is the local news in Memphis. I'm a Memphis native so I can speak to this directly. You know, the mayor is going around saying, well, you know, overall crimes dropped 41% over the last two years. And it's because I'm such an awesome mayor. That's why I go to Memphis all the time. It does not feel safer than it did 10 years ago. It feels far more dangerous, actually. Memphis has always been an exceptionally dangerous city. Again, if you can read the Wikipedia demographics section, I think you can infer why that may be the case. But Memphis does not feel safer. And just because he's saying crime rates have dropped 41%. I'm still hearing, you know,

from my friends that still live in Memphis, obviously I now live in the D.C. area that, no, they're still getting their cars broken into all the time. My friends that are women are like, no, I'm not jogging. We had actually a pretty horrific jogger crime just indiscriminate, attacked a white lady that was jogging in Memphis. And that's changed the culture. Just that one crime was so violent, so shocking that every woman, every white woman in Memphis specifically just carries themselves a bit differently. And so saying, oh, crimes drop 41%. They need to actually feel like it's safer.

That's the key difference here. It's like people don't respond to data. As we know, we discuss it. Everyone's familiar with the expression, what, you're lying with statistics. Right. Yeah, statistics are extremely deceptive. If you go from like a thousand murders one year to 500 murders,

it's like, yeah, that's quite the reduction, but like you're still dealing with 500. That's still more than murder. Like, yeah, not ideal. And so like kind of going back to the thing where I was saying, like, you know, area stuff, right? Like, when I was on with you a few days ago, you know, talking about how like Beverly Hills now, how it's like drive-by shootings, like, okay, so if all of L.A. has gotten safer

on the whole, but like now Beverly Hills deals with like violent crime, you know, it's like so, oh, then the people like, oh, you know, rich people, it's like it's about time that you deal with it's like, okay, sure, but it's like that means that there's nowhere to get away from anything, right? Like, if you don't like the way something is, like my hometown is definitely worse off than it was when I was little. Sure. There's, there's crime,

there's home, even though, like, it's still relatively, like, pretty darn great. Like, there's a little bit and you just be none. Yeah.

It's the indiscriminate crime, I think. Yeah, because it's like, look, if you can't, you can't be safe anywhere. If you're a normal person,

you can't add out in a nice neighborhood. Yeah, you can't, there's nowhere, again, like, it's always, and this is why, going back to Pratt,

like, if you're a mother, it's always like the mother's like the mother's thing with children, And like you can't do your normal thing where you would be safe. It's like, look, we're not going into the bad. Like when I was a kid, you know, there was, of course, like everything like like never go to Compton, right? Like, Compton was the hood, all this.

Compton's Mexican now. Like, it's all Hispanic, right? So they kind of like gentrified it if that word still applies. If you're not white, I don't know. So like where did those black people go? They spread out, right? Right. And so if you have like a higher contingency of crime from a certain.

population in that city. Now they're just like spread out. It's like instead of like, you know, this neighborhood being twice as violent as this neighborhood, now they're both equally as violent. Yeah. And this actually like, again, I mean not, I'm like from California. Not everything is about California, but this is the thing too where it's like you can't live a life, set things up where you can just run away from stuff. And when people are talking about why should worry about California, our problems become your problems. And then like the liberals that you guys hate from California, they're going to move to your town and they're going to do the same thing. They're going to vote for the same

thing. They're going to do the same thing. And again, the thing is though it's like, this isn't like, this doesn't really come from California. I feel like not enough people talk about like Prop 1-87 in 1998, which was a vote to prohibit illegals from accessing welfare and services. And California

voted to prohibit that and then you know, a judge overturned it like the Jimmy Carter appointed judge, something like that, right? So it's like our, we're just kind of like the stage for what else is going on. Absolutely. In the whole country. Well, we saw. I mean, you had the proposition in the late odds where they said, no, we don't want gay marriage. Yeah, 2008. We've voted. Five years later, the court's like, actually, we don't care. We're going to ram it down everyone's throats. Yeah. I'm from Metro Detroit. So I grew up when Detroit was kind of near its worst. And they're saying it's dropped now by 19% violent crime. It doesn't mean that when I go to

Detroit, I don't want my dad, my husband, or anybody there with me. I wouldn't just, like, walk around. We got married in Detroit. And it was a great, great wedding, beautiful wedding. But we weren't in, like, the crime area of Detroit. I was terrified. I went and I was driving around. I was like, what is going? Are you okay? Do I need to give a money? It was at a museum. It was beautiful. It was beautiful. It was. But you're surrounded by just nothing. Yeah, it was crazy. And because it's right off like the main strip, but it's far enough back. You're like, where am I? So you're like, shaken. I will say like, it had security. Don't worry. Oh, yeah, you were there too.

Yeah, when my wife was walking to, like, H&M or something in the morning, when I was sleeping in, and she came back, she's like, some guy just creepily said, like, you shouldn't be walking out here alone. I mean, they'll do that. Was he threatening or was he trying to help me, you know? It's not. They say that.

But they never actually, like, it's very rare to see it actually happen where someone does something, but they're like, you shouldn't do that. It's like, okay. There is something to be said. Americans are getting creepier. It is creepy. Are they all Americans, though? True.

Well, that's the question. There you go. So I don't know. I mean, again. I was going to do a movie on that. Yes, what's an American? I don't know. Like, it's a great trend overall.

But again, I don't feel safe. Like, to your point with Memphis. I wouldn't feel safe just being like, all right, I'm going to go. It's, oh, it's 9 p.m. Time to go take a nice stroll in downtown Detroit. I probably wouldn't do that or anywhere in Detroit. But, and I love Detroit. Like, not the only measure of, like, you know, deterioration in a city, like, in California.

If you're walking around and, like, everything is disgusting. Like, all the infrastructure is terrible. It's super outdated. It's like there are a bunch of different measures that are still important that aren't just, although crime I think is probably number one, that would also point to just things not going right. Well, crime's kind of like maybe the driver of it. And you kind of deal with like a broken window thing. And like even when the crime is gone, whether it be permanently or temporarily, the ramifications are still there. So if anyone is familiar with the Santa Monica Promenade, so it's this big like walk street that goes for Blumeration.

blocks and blocks with a big outdoor mall, right? And I have all these memories growing up as a kid with my parents walking down there and like getting like ice cream and like going to the stores and all that kind of stuff. And they have these like, you know, dinosaurs made out of ivy and cool shit like that. And every, it's all vacant. Every, like there's like four businesses left on the whole thing. And it's like this was like a like a central part of like L.A. Of like L.A. culture and kind of getting to, whether it be tourist or

locals, like it was this really fun, amazing thing. And why would it, the rent's too high, the crime's too high? All this stuff just sort of lingers around. And though if you walk down there, there's, you're not witnessing crime. It's kind of like, well, the potential for it or what used to be there, people get scared off and they just don't want to go back. Well, getting back to your question, your original question of why do we think it's going down or the statistics say it's going down.

I think people are inside all day on their phones. I think there's less people out doing things. So there's less crime being committed. That's what I wanted to get you. Look, it do be good and bad at the same time. You know, it's like, okay. Zoomers don't be doing crime anymore. They just be on their phone.

Well, they're inside all day. Well, that's what I wanted to hit on was because, you know, President Trump, he was catching some flack the other day because he said, I think it's only 2% of the population that's, like really roughen everyone up. And, you know, 98% he's like, I can deal with 2%. It's not a problem. He's basically just saying, like, let me take the gloves off, which is they should. So true.

But I think he's correct. I think what's happened here is that a lot of Americans just aren't behaving in ways that would facilitate crime. Like a lot of violent crime. historian you can look into it a lot of violent crime was like alcohol fueled or it was domestic well how can you have domestic assault when no one's getting married anymore there's no wives to wail on no one drinks anymore I know no one's getting late yeah no one's getting drunk no one's getting married so where's the where's the

fights can happen no one's cool anymore so now it's just yeah real so now it's just two percent they're setting death threats on online on totally I'm like do something at least like it's Lindy to like act on the guys don't have enough testosterone to commit crime that's a big That's the whole side up, yeah. That's the plan, yeah. Everyone's like, yay now. It's like, you know, I'd almost be relieved to see the violent crime go up.

I'm like, that means our face. That means maha's working. And honestly, should go to jail like once for like a night. Yeah, like that's like proof of testosterone. It's like, you know. So true. Yeah. So I mean like, I'm in crime right now.

I know. So I'm just seeing this. And I'm like, okay, this is great. But I think this is an indication that I don't know if Americans are like becoming more, you know, because people will point this out all the time. They'll say, well, teenage pregnancies have 10. And it's like at first glance, it seems like good news. But that's not because Americans getting more prudish.

That's just because they're not talking to each other. Like, where the hose at? It's a very salient question. Where are they? Where are the hose? It's like everyone's old, everyone's chopped. No one's talking to each other. Everyone's a girl now.

It's over. It's horrible. It's horrible. So that like we want to see, I think proof that Trump's reforms are working is if violent crimes shoot through the roof. If teenage pregnancies shoot through the roof. If everyone is like alcoholics, that means America's back. Or DUIs.

More DUIs. America's back if that happens. You are right, though, that it is such a small percentage of population. Yeah. They've even shown that, like, if you just get rid of, like, all repeat offenders, like, there's no crime left. Yeah, literally. And then, of course, we find our way back to the Fix Everything switch. Right.

Right. Like, really, really easy. Just like Buckele showed us, if you just put the criminals in jail. But the thing is, we live in a society where people don't want to fix things. Like, and I had some tweet about Spencer Pratt. kind of go viral and someone was like, you know, saying he's not going to win or he sucks or he doesn't have an experience or, you know, something like that. That was me.

Yeah, yeah. Sorry. And it's like, you know, like, what's his power is he going to fix? He says he wants to fix homelessness. It's like, no, you realize these other people don't want to fix it because they benefit from it. And that's like the kind of the weirdest, just like cognitive dissonance for a large percent of the population, especially liberals, they don't understand that the people that supposedly

represent them, don't want to solve a problem that they're talking about solving. If one of their organizations said, we're going to cure this thing, what I would assume is they were going to make it 10 times worse. Well, that goes to what you were saying with the crumbling infrastructure in California. And a lot of the metro cities in the country is just like it goes down to not just crime, but the misplaced priorities of the ruling class. And of course, California spent 14.5 million on reparations, studying reparations, figuring out ways to hand out reparations.

They have no priorities, especially for the rest of the rest of them. own citizens. Yeah. I mean, like famously, if they have the high speed rail that just stops and it's like a Modesto.

Oh, it was never going to happen. Even if they do spend money on like the right things, it's pretty clear that that's not always effectuated into like actual positive change. You could not have thrown more money at homelessness

and then it's like just totally gotten worse. A bunch of people have made a lot of money. Oh, big time. Yeah. Well, yeah, worse for everybody else, but those nonprofit ladies with the salads, they're doing great.

Yeah, real. Yeah. And people also. still have like a really high tolerance for antisocial behavior. So even if we like had this Dubai level infrastructure, it would just get destroyed in like three years because like we tolerate again to Trump's point, 2% of the population, well they'd like ruin everything. I mean like literally when you go to the bath, you go to a public bathroom, you got to like punch in the Da Vinci code to get in. And then they like there's no towels. The toilet's not like automatic.

You got to do like a Jedi force wave to get at the flush. And then they have like a leaf blower on the wall because like like 2% of the population is going in there and like you know, Taz from Looney Tunes, like, destroying and everything. So now we have to, like, kid-proof society because, because, because these two presenters. And also because we don't want to actually enforce the crime. Like, there are no teen takeovers in Dubai, so they'll just, like, cut your hand up. Well, look, like, if they don't put you in jail, when you commit, like, violent, violent crime, they're not going to do anything to you if you just, like, mess things up a bit, you know?

And also, like, law enforcement has to be unapologetic about it. I think people still, like, kind of flinch at the thought of, like, arresting the guy that commits the crime because it's, like, there was, like, there was. that obviously with like the George Floyd era of things that totally shifted the narrative and I think kind of like rewired a lot of people's brains when they when it comes to crime even though it's like one of those things where it's like yeah if like if you punch an old lady you should go to jail but now there's like all these weird nuances people are programmed to have we need to like actually feel okay about enforcing the law and I think we're getting there but

like the cops even the cops that like oh I would just love to throw this fucker in jail they just know I'm gonna pick if I pick them I don't have either the if the wrong Karen is taking a video. No, no, it's just like, I'm going to bring him back. Well, actually, it's like, I actually don't have the authority to bring him back. I'd literally love to, and then he would be let go anyway. Yeah. And that's the kind of thing that then that you demoralize the police officers.

There was some kind of viral thing I saw on Twitter last few days where some guy was filming something in L.A., and he got, like, assaulted by some passerby. And the cop was there, and he's like, you can come into the courthouse and make some sort of, like, statement against him, but like I didn't see it so I can't do anything. And then, you know, this other guy's like basically saying, you're impotent. Like as a police officer, you're impotent. The guy's like, I'm just doing my job. And it's like, yeah, you're not allowed to do your job. Yeah, literally. And so it doesn't matter at what stage you, like, if a cop were to do something, their life would be ruined. Yeah. And even if you do try to, like, if the crime that

they're actually allowed to go after is like if you go seven over the speed limit. And then like the suburban moms who relate to like the kid drop off, they're the ones that end up getting punished in society. It's like a total inversion. It's ridiculous. Whoever invented a narco tyranny was that, that was like someone recently came up with that term, right? Narco tyranny. It's great term. Yeah, it's the best thing. It explains everything. It's so true. And this is what's so frustrating because none of us at this table are like regularly committing misdemeanors, right? And like this is the, yeah. Well, yeah. Well, like, you know, just walk with me. Let's all pretend that we're all Boy Scouts here. Like, you know, like a missed, if you're consistently like

racking up misdemeanors, that indicates that you have a lot of, like, antisocial temperament, like antisocial behaviors, you have an antisocial temperament, which is going to make you prone to committing more violent crime down the road. That's why those laws were there in the first place. That's why, like, jaywalking was a law in the first place. It wasn't just, like, randomly pick off us when we decided to jaywalk. It was to punish people. You could build a case on them.

It was like, okay, this guy's consistently demonstrating antisocial behaviors. Let's throw them in jail. Well, now we've all agreed as a society that's like, well, it feels a bit wrong to enforce, like such a minor rule. And then these people are able to get away Scott Free. This is why I like, before we get into the next story, this is why I like John Doyle's proposal, which is you get a punch card and if you commit 10 misdemeanors,

like non-traffic related, obviously, you get killed. I think it's like, that makes a lot of sense. John Doyle for president. In Minecraft, obviously. That's a pretty decent in road to Singapore version of the United States. I like it. Yeah, yeah. It's like, okay, you graffiti 10 times.

That's like honestly demonstrating that you're like holding society up just as much as someone else's hard or something. Because you are literally promoting ugliness. You know, like, I was in Austin, like, a month ago, and I went, like, a little, like, canoe ride or something. And I'm going underneath the bridge, and I'm like, first off, how do they get under here? Yeah. How do that? But it's also, like, why?

Yeah. Why? Because you, like, because they suck and they're, like, it's like, I feel like, like, something bad, really bad should happen to you. Yeah. You're just going to start, graffitting, like, right, you know, like. And it's not even just graffitting, like, repeated, like, violent crimes, like, Irina Zarutka's, kill Loria, however many. 42? And how many times he'd been arrested for violent crimes?

And, like, he was still on the bus with everybody. But everyone has the courage to attack the repeat violent criminal offenders. I'm saying, does anyone have the courage to attack the minor crime offenders that commit them regularly? Like, a guy that has four littering tickets, you're out, you're done. But I want the judges. I want the judges. Yeah, well, there's a, look, there's a lot to unravel here. I think we should go international here before we can pivot to probably the most important

story of the day, which is Hooters. Let's jump into this story from the BBC, and that is the British Bot Broadcasting company everyone. Rubio says Cuba is a threat to the United States as Havana accuses him of lies. Everyone needs to put on their geopolitics hats for this story. Cuba poses a quote national security threat to the United States and the likelihood of a peaceful agreement is quote not high. U.S. Secretary of State. Mark Rubio said his comments just come a day after the United States charged Cuba's former president, Raul Castro, with murder over the 1996 drowning or downing, 1996 downing of two planes resulting in the killing of U.S.

nationals. Rubio said Washington's preference was a, quote, diplomatic solution, but warned that President Donald Trump had the right and the obligation to protect his country against any threat. Obviously Cuba's pissed off about this. Reform Minister Bruno Rodriguez, really Cuban name, by the way, accused Rubio of, quote, lies and said the island never posed a threat to the United States. What are they going to do? They have like no food. No one has the body strength. They actually fight us. Like, what are they actually? They're like on ironically. have no cards.

You don't have a modern card. You're talking all tough. Like, what are they realistically going to do? Yeah, it's like going to war with like a refugee camp. It's like, what would it get for rocks at us? Like, good luck. Like, I guess. Yeah.

Rubio says they pose a threat. They say it's lies. I mean, just on the face of it, obviously they're lying. That makes no sense. Yeah. What threat does Cuba, I mean, plausibly pose? Well, isn't the whole thing really that they're not like direct, that they're not like direct military threat, but as they've always been there like right off of our coast.

For the beachhead for other threats. For like global communism, right? So like after the Soviet Union fell, especially, Cuba is like the global headquarters of communism, which is why they did. So let it be. Let it be. No, it's our headness. It's literally miles off of our coast.

So what? Tom Roe doctrine, man. The misplaced priorities of the ruling class. Ah, man. I'm just annoyed that they're there. Like, it's making me mad. Like, that's my, I'm like, I'm very honest. You know, Mark Rubio is like trying to like, you know,

Mark Rubio is trying to set the geopolitical table. I'm like, just take, like, no one cares. What's what's going to do? something about it? There's a major, like, I'm not touching you vibe with Cuba right now. They're like, I'm not touching you. It's like, yeah, but it's, you're pissing me off. Also, like, I get that foreign policy is a huge issue and, like, deeply unpopular for obvious reasons with Iran, but I think it's definitely an easier sell for the American people just by the mere fact that, like, Cuba is in our hemisphere. Like, I actually think, like, the Venezuela thing was kind of, was not,

like, the quagmire that people were scared it's going to be, not just because it literally was, like, a 40-minute operation, but also because it's like, oh, Trump was like, well, we just will get their oil and that's good for us. And people are like, okay, that kind of makes sense, I guess. Yeah, you have all the, the old gaming commissions lining up to open, you know, casinos in Havana. And I'm like, I don't care if it's good. I'm sorry, I don't really care if it's good for Cubans. I care if it's good for Americans. Is Marker Rubio like, look, it's Florida. There's a Florida mafia in the White House. You know, we're already like scared we might lose Florida in the governor's race because like Byron Donald's like kind of sucks. So we kind of got to get a

W here, this will fire up not just Cubans, but like, from what I understand, because I'm one of these people that just like paints broad brushstrokes across the world, as I understand it, there's other Hispanic groups that are also like, would like to see Cuba fall, probably not Mexicans, but like Nicaraguan's, I think would be quite excited to see Cuba fall because that anything things could change in their country. So again, like, you know, you make a play on Cuba soon right before the midterms. If it's another success like Venezuela, that's a boost in the polls. I think that plays well with the, uh, with the American population. Yeah, I mean, the Venezuela thing was just like really fucking cool, honestly.

It was so cool. You even had Liptards that were like, it's kind of sick. Or a deficit was like, here. And you know, everyone is, everyone's like, when they first came out, all like the, you know, people dubbed the panicking, like, oh, we're going to get like a massive, like, refugee crisis. But like, that didn't happen, right? So, like, if the negative effects of what people always have problems with on a geopolitical scale, like, aren't there, then there's the cons list gets much, much shorter.

And, you know, again, got to go back to the Donne Roe Doctrine thing. Like, because every, you know, if, if Mexico is such a problem because of, of course, the border and then the drugs. And the thing is all these nationals from all these other countries who have their own weird terrorist leanings come in through Mexico. So fixing the border doesn't just solve Mexico. It solves all the problems that then get brought to Mexico. Just like dealing with Cuba deals all the problems that get funneled through Cuba. Yeah. And so these kind of things are actually much more important.

I agree than on the other side of the world. And there's something to be said about the fact, and people have made, this is not my, this is me regurgitating what people have speculated, is that, you know, the Trump administration keeps getting jammed up on domestic policy because of courts, because Congress is like horrible and retarded again. So, like, there's a lot of ways that the, you know, Trump agenda is getting jammed up domestically. Some people have observed that. That could be the reason he's making such drastic plays in foreign policy internationally

is because that is one, you know, realm what the executive, branch has, they can basically do whatever they want. They can exert his will unfettered. Whenever someone says that he's doing something internationally, why don't you, why don't you not focus on that and do something domestically? It's like, he doesn't just have the like, oh yeah, I would just, of course, I'm not doing that because I'm doing this. It's like, well, I can't do that, but I can do this. Yeah, it's like the Trump administration, they, you know, they declare a war on Iran and someone's like, why didn't you focus on mass deportations? And they're like, oh, yeah, why didn't we do that? And it's like, no, I mean, there's a little bit more to it.

I mean, I agree, like, there's a bit of frustration over how we've allocated political capital. I think there's a big conversation to be had there, and I would broadly agree. But I think that's true is that, look, Trump is obviously this kind of generational, he's a turning point in American history. We're going to call this era the Trump era. He wants to make his mark on, and he wants to, I think he wants to mop up all of these. He's in legacy mode. Yeah. And he's trying to mop up a lot of these international situations that a lot of presidents either didn't want to touch or they didn't have the back.

to touch or they didn't know how to fix. And I think that explains part of his thinking here is he said, well, Cuba has been, you know, jamming us up geopolitically for decades. I could be the guy that solves that. And then I go in the history books. And, you know, if Iran gets, you know, mopped up somewhat well, or at least we get out of it in one piece, then yeah, I mean, maybe Cuba and Venezuela are the ones that make into the history books. And Iran's like, well, you know, it was a bad idea. Sorry to pivot, hard pivot, but it just came out that Tulsi Gabbard resigned. Oh, really? Sorry, I sent it in the slack. It was just hard it, but I saw it and was trying to verify it.

That's an important one. So I had to send that. It's in the slack for IRR. That would have been the lead. Yeah, I'm so sorry. This breaks the fifth wall or fourth, whatever wall. So sorry, you guys, yeah. Five minutes ago.

I mean, we, yeah. I thought she was going to, I thought she was going to resign with the Joe Kent stuff. She said of a statement? No, I have it here from. It's from Fox and exclusive. It said that her husband was diagnosed in the extremely rare form of bone cancer, is what she wrote in her resignation letter. I mean,

I'm sure that did happen, but I'm not buying. That's the exact reason. You know, what's interesting is, you know, there's a lot of, there's a lot of dunking. There's a lot of dunking that can be put on Laura Loomer, right? You know, everyone has a bone to pick with Laura Loom. Sure. But when she reports on D.C. scoops.

Dude, she's usually pretty right. She reported a few weeks ago that Tulsi Gabbard would resign in a few weeks, and then the headline comes through. There's something to be said about that. I'm sorry, you're just like not going to outgossip a Jewish girl. You can't do it. You can't do it. It's true.

That heritage is for the record. has been disputed. Really? Oh, yeah. I guess that's true. Oh, yeah. It can be a lot. I've seen that, but it's like, what's the argument?

What's the argument? She doesn't know how to draw a star of David. It's not like they teach you. I think it's like training class or something. Yeah, it's called Hebrew school. I thought that's what like business was. It's not like, you know, you learn reverse mortgages and stuff. I don't know.

I've seen people like trace her like family because like everyone is like a Rosenberg and a Friedman like in her family trace. I don't know. Regardless, I mean, we were talking. geopolitics, and this has a huge implication because a lot of people have, you know, pointed out correctly that Tulsi Gabbard, historically, very anti-intervention. I mean, you would have to think she's been biting her tongue for the last two, three months over Iran. I mean, people have said Vance, you know, people, you know, have pointed out Vance has gone a bit quiet since the Iran war

started. Is that a sign that he is, like, deeply opposed to the war, or is that maybe him just shifting strategy? Regardless, we're seeing scalps. We're seeing Tulsi Gabbard, obviously, Joe Kent. You know, there's been a few more quiet dismissals that were appointees that have that have left the foray. And I think this just adds to, again, there's just a, there's a shift. There's a shift happening in the Trump administration right now. I think Tulsi's been looking for a way out for a while. And I'm sure that her husband has a bit of, you know, she, that's part of it. Her husband being sick, that's probably part of the reason why she decided to resign when she did. But I do think there was that that timing coincided.

and she was like, okay, this is a reason that's not going to slam the administration that's not going to make anybody look bad. But it's also an offshoot of what we saw with Massey this week. It's either get on Team Trump or get off the boat. I mean, I think she's been wavering a bit, you know, because she's reversed a lot of her positions that she had prior to joining the administration. So I think it was kind of something that was inevitable. You know, some of those people that was not going to get on Team Trump completely.

Yeah, I totally agree. And I think people have forgotten she ran as a Democrat presidential. But she was also a congressman. Congresswoman, like a Democrat congressman. Literally. Like, you know, it's not that she just happened to be a Democrat, like, RFK, where he has a plausible deniability of, oh, I just shifted my views. She casted votes that were like in lockstep with the Democrat agenda. She was, again, ran for president as a Democrat.

And, okay, yes, she was outflanking pretty much the entire field on the right on a few issues. But on the majority of issues, again, no one would have really batted an eye. And she did, like, garner support in a Democrat primary. But I think that has more to say about, again, what the Trump administration was trying to do, going into this term than it does about her than it does about the Democrat base. Because you know, some people said, well, the Democrats, they're going to moderate. And it's like, well, that's not the base. That's besides the point.

I think this indicates to your point, Chris. I mean, I think it's true is I think the Trump administration right now, the atmosphere, the mood is purge people that are disloyal because we're in a time right now. A lot of media pressure, a lot of longtime Trump allies have flipped on them. Right now, Max's loyalty is sort of the culture, the environment. And I can't actually really blame the Trump administration. I mean, again, when you're bleeding allies, this is the time to close ranks. When everyone loves you, it's quite easy to let anyone in.

It's like, all right, yeah, let's build this big coalition. But again, once that coalition breaks down, at least in the media, I mean, I still think the base by and large, obviously, I mean, Trump scalped all of his opponents in the last primary cycle. It indicates that the base is probably a bit more on board of the Trump agenda than a lot of people have pointed out. But I think it's true is the general atmosphere, the general mood right now is tight in ranks. It's kind of what you get when you stitch together such a big coalition.

I mean, like Tulsi, she was. definitely a big part of the reason why a lot, like, a lot of the independence got on board. She was like very famously, obviously anti-war. And so I can imagine her being in a position where, like, she is having a lot of this happen right in front of her. And there are even reports, I have no idea if this is true or not, of her being like cut out of certain intelligence meetings because she just did not see eye to eye with the administration on certain things that were, you know, very important, not just within, you know, like in the political sense, but like to voters. Like these are things that you've seen a lot of discourse online, at least

I have where people feel like she's kind of forced to violate her conscience in this position. So similar to what Joe Kent said when he resigned. So I imagine it's probably something similar going on. It's interesting because, you know, this kind of, again, we got to start talking about 2028. The primary starts next year. And there's this kind of understanding that if Rubio and Vance run against each other, we could see a situation in which the Vance camp is kind of this ensemble of, you know, Trump aligned people, but they've had massive disagreements to the administration and they got off the train, and then the Rubio Camp may be more of sort of the more establishment elements, but also some of the loyalists that say, okay, I'll play ball at the establishment to get the football

down the field. And that's going to put the base in a bit of a dilemma here, because again, you have really pop—I mean, Tulsi's a very popular figure. I would say extremely popular within the Trump base, but I think nationally, I think a lot of people still have a soft spot for it. I mean, I don't want to put words in Tim's mouth, but as I remember, if I remember correctly, he was already leaning towards Trump, but, again, Tulsi getting added to the roster is kind of what like really made it like a lot of people who were in that situation where they were like Trump saying the right things but having a lot of these people added to the coalition Tulsi RFK that gave independence and a lot of undecided voters permission to vote for him because they were

like oh well if you're willing to bring these people into the fold you are kind of extending an olive branch to somebody who is not traditionally a Republican but has you know concerns that the administration said they cared about in the fracturing sorry the fracturing that coalition is also sort of trickle down to the fracturing of Maga, I think. I mean, you're absolutely right. Then this is the thing, right? It's like, you know, and the midterms are going to be a really big sign of where things

are going. Of course, like you're saying, the primaries. The primaries have shown that the base is still kind of completely behind Trump, whatever he says. But Trump understands that whatever, he has to get whatever he can get done in these four years. And that's almost like half gone at this point. And at the end of those four years, if everyone is a much better off, that's going to be

reflected in what the legacy is of not just her his term but you know who carries on the torch yeah and and you know so it's like okay he did all these things to get elected and it's like what we what i would imagine everyone wants is for things to get better and everyone has their kind of maybe like more pet issues or things they care more about but if the general well-being of the people is better after his four years then he will have done the correct job and if he finds that these people are in his way and not just that he gets all this criticism from people on the right who say you're not doing enough of this. You're not doing enough deportations. The economy is this. So he's like, okay, well, I'm trying to do these things and I feel these people are in my way.

So it's in his best interest to like he's saying, like streamline, full speed ahead. Because if he doesn't get it done, then everyone has legitimate criticism, right? Because he has the full term to show his, to show his deal. And, you know, it's again, like, it's on him to actually like come through with all that. Yeah, I completely agree. And I think, yeah, if, again, if, you know, tightening ranks is what it takes to achieve domestic victories, then so be it. I think with Tulsi's, at least the reported, you know, reason she left, she's citing her husband, the bone cancer. I think that her departure is not going to be like the Joe Kent departure where he leaves, and he's not going to make a day. Yeah, where I think Tulsi, this indicates that maybe she's just going to kind of step aside. And then, I don't know, we'll see what happens in the future. She's very young by political, you know, in political terms. She's, I mean, like, what, 40 or early 40s? She's a baby. An infant. An infant, by political terms of D.C. Compared to D.C.

Yeah. Yeah. So we'll have to see which direction Tulsi goes. I imagine it's going to be fairly quiet. But I mean, to your point, yeah, I mean, I think, look, Trump's consolidating right now. And again, if this manifests in domestic victories, then, yeah, I mean, true. But again, if this doesn't manifest in further domestic victories, if Iran continues to be jammed up, you know, a lot of Republican voters are going to have some tough conversations going into the midterms, but certainly going to the primaries. I think it just gives your MTG wing more.

fuel going into the primaries. If J.D. Vance can't step up to the plate. If Rubio decides not to run, who is the successor? I don't really know. That's the difficult thing about having, managing such a large coalition that inevitably, you know, will fracture in many important places is that now you don't, you aren't really left with like an obvious air to the phone. It's, you know, everyone's kind of floating Vance or Rubio, but like the reason they're floating those two names is because they kind of represent very broadly, and I'm sure there's a bunch of overlap, but they broadly represent like, you know, more of the anti, you hear like more of the anti-foreign wars, people kind of going more in the Vance camp, then you hear people who are more enthusiastic about interventionism kind of

backing Rubio. I think this is a fault line that's going to be really important for, you know, future election cycles. Midterms, I think, will be a good way to see how this kind of plays out because it's like, yeah, you know, there is definitely, there are some speed bumps from trying to implement domestic policy for sure. Like, we can't even get the Save America Act passed in the Senate, And it's literally just because there's no will to do it. There's no procedural issue with trying to get it done. If they could, if they wanted to, they totally would. But like honestly, there is kind of a feeling, I think, where like, yeah, actually a lot of our priorities at home maybe are not being considered the same way or kind of put on the back burner right now because we're busy doing all this other stuff.

Yeah. I mean, that certainly seems to be the mood. Even among Trump loyalists, I would say that is a bit of a concern. I mean, this is why, you know, it's interesting. I think I consider myself part of the broader, you know, Trump loyalist, you know, branch of the Republican Party. I'm exceptionally loyal to Trump. Again, I believe he's the only show in town, quite frankly. That's the main reason for a lot of my support.

But I'd be lying. I mean, I've been opposed to the Iran wars at the outset. And I'm usually the first spot where we're really loyal, you know, MAGA supporters have started to kind of turn away or to say, you know, like to voice their disapproval is was the war. That was like the first breaking point for even some of the most loyal. Yeah. I think the first breaking point was when he said, are we still talking about? talking about Jeffrey Epstein? I think that's when...

No, that, yeah, that too. Yeah, I mean, that aside, but, like, you know, I think when it comes to, like, kind of your policy wonks, again, I think for me, I'm still going to be, you know, backing Trump, I'm still very pro-Trump. But again, Iran, it's one of those things where it's like, I'm opposed, I'm hearing you out. It was kind of a wait and see maybe at the beginning. And I'm like, it kind of played out the way I thought it'd be.

I thought the bond market would, like meltdown. I thought food would shoot through the roof. I thought our East Asian allies were going to be in a bad spot. And that's all manifested. And it's like, well, he literally said that he wouldn't. He was like, yeah, no new wars, guys. And everyone was like, great. I know, I was, when he said that, I was like, what about Cuba and Venezuela?

I was like, wait, no, that's too liberal. No. And he was like, wait, if I call it an operation, do you think they'll notice? It's like, yeah, well, we still notice. It's still pretty much war, actually. But with that, I mean, I think the Tulsi story is just a footnote. It's relatively unimportant compared to the story that ripped across the AP line this morning. everyone is talking about it.

Hooters says bring the kids. This is per the New York Times. The chain known for skimpy uniforms and bikini nights is trying to change its image. Hooters onesies, anyone? And then they just write a bunch of like gay stuff here. But the gist of the story is Hooters is making a pivot. Obviously they've been known for again the waitresses wearing quite skimpy clothes. It puts husbands nationwide in a tough spot where they have to say, I just like the wings.

You know, it's been this kind of trope. The wings are pretty good. Wings are good. Yeah. And sort of the fries. You know, so there's two like Hooters fans at the table, which is great. I can't attest to their food I've never been. But I think maybe that's because I'm a Zoomer.

And I think people have pointed out that Zoomers like what 40% are functionally asexuals. Now I don't consider myself an asexual. I have a beautiful FOID at home. But yeah, this is a, this is, I think concerning. I think this isn't just a, oh, ha, ha, like Hooters is making a business decision. There's some jokes to be made here. But I do think this indicates that, like, American society is, you know, I'm going to make a broad philosophical point here,

over-sexualized in the wrong ways and under-sexualized in the right ways. And you're seeing like really weird, like, results of this. And the Hooters thing is just like fairly on the nose, kitschy, masculine sexuality manifested in a restaurant. So they just look at her tits. Yeah. And the fact that it's, like, dying, again, I don't think indicates more prudishness than the American people. I think it indicates, like this weird like kind of asexuality that's like manifest. Well you know as a as a millennial like we were the last generation who were allowed to be like heterosexual. Yeah it's illegal to be a straight white guy. Well it's weird how we're supposed to

like combat like drag queen brunch dancing with making hooters less sexual. But what's the story here? How are they incentivizing this? Is there some new rollout that they got going on or? Wardrobe change marketing changes. They're just going to try and make hooters into to any other chicken store. That's not what makes it great. Yeah, I don't agree. I want to see the hooters, right? I know.

You know, it's, again, you're, what's, you could be calling it, nerfing it, neutering it, whatever it is. It's like cucking it. Yeah, that's a good way looking at it. It ceases to be what it is. And you know what's, there you go. What's funny is a lot of brands, institutions,

whatever we want to call it, they kind of like defaying themselves. Yeah. They kill the thing that is the, their whole identity that is actually interesting or desirable or functional or whatever the attraction is. And then, you know, people kind of try to like, you know, refine things so they become more efficient in this regard. And like it kills the, actually, it kills it. It kills it. Well, maybe it's a publicity stunt like cracker barrel did.

Yes, I was just thinking about it. Yeah. Do more people go to crack? Did that work? I mean, people talk. I think it was a publicity stunt. Oh, I'm saying, did it work though? Spotify recently.

I don't know what their numbers are. but there was so much backlash that I almost thought that this was kind of like, IHOP was like, we're I hob now and we're doing burgers. I think they should try to call that seasonal. But, you know, something that's interesting here, and I want to make this point, and this is a very real point. I know Josh will back me up, so I'm glad he's here, is Hooters really, you know, it really epitomized the demographic overhaul of the United States

because of the wardrobe change. So historically, the Hooters uniform emphasized, and I'm just going to use anatomical terms here, emphasize the breasts, and the gluteus was kind of the, you know, that was the junior partner. Yeah, it was the afterthought. And then they actually radically changed the uniform where now, again, the caboose was now emphasized, and then the breasts were, you know, downgraded back to junior partner. And what was interesting there is I think that actually indicated a lot of the demographic change in the United States,

because historically white men were interested in the breast. Are you basically saying that Hooters has been undergoing third worldism? It's becoming very browncoded. I'm sorry, but it's just, let's cut the brass tax here. That's really interesting. Yeah. That's quite a connection there. Yeah, well, I think the wardrobe change emplifies that the country's becoming less white.

I mean, that's absolutely true. So I used to, like, my friends and I would go to Hooters in high school and college because, like, as soon as you have a car. We would drive 50 miles to get there. Not 50, but we would drive all the way to Long Beach, so that's quite a way. Is anyone from L.A., you know. And the traffic, so it's time. Yeah.

Driving to Long Beach all the way to Long Beach. Yeah. You're like pooling gas money together. Yeah. Borging for the wings, though, right? The good wings. I mean, I love, I had Buffalo Wings last night at some wonderful local establishment here. It was no Hooters, unfortunately.

It was no hooters. Wings can't be understated. They are good. I love, I love Buffalo. Officiant? No. Because they're saying, like, my parents are in your life. The restaurant industry as it stands, like, you know, if you're a front facing in the

restaurant industry, you have to present yourself in a certain way, right? So you have to be like, well put together, you know, this, that thing. And so, like, it's a wonderful place for, like, young, attractive woman to get jobs. Sure. Right. And make tips. And make tips.

No tax on tips. No tax on tips. There you go. And of course, the attractiveness of the girl is always a bonus. Regardless of her wardrobe, everyone wants to see a pretty waitress that makes you feel better. She's like a trend where waitresses will try different hair styles to see like what hairstyles get them the most tips.

Oh, yeah. That's just really fascinating. Depends on your hair. But yeah. I bet every person with their own kind of like, you know, bone structure and all that. It's almost always like braids, like two. pig tail braids. Oh,

yeah. Every guy way out. Yeah, they're like, oh, yeah, you need, yeah, okay, okay, but hey,

let's, let's like, you know, let's give the guys of the benefit of the doubt here opposed to going to some sort of, you know,

very inappropriate place that, probably a word I can't even say on here. Lolita. Maybe the girls love that. She's just a young girl. She needs to make some money,

you know? Uh-huh. Awesome guys here. That's really, she's not a stripper, you know? But look, you know,

it's like, okay, we're already sexualized in the waitress as it is, right? If you're a woman, you know, it's like, it's already happening. So just like allow them to lean into it, you know, have some fun with it. It's hard. But bringing kids there. Kids?

That's a lot of conversation. They're missing old thing. They were breastfeeding like four years. What are you talking about? Everyone's missing the whole thing. Have you been to Chili's? You can't sexualize those waitresses? I mean, it's unbelievable.

That's like my 600 pound life over there. It's unbelievable. Well, they wouldn't be able to move, but it's close. Yeah. It looks like a DMV. I'm sorry, you can't sexualize that. Are you kidding me? It's unbelievable.

You're saying there's a space where people ever like apply to work at Hooters? Like, do you think I ever like, they were like technically they are quite large, but so is the rest of me. It's inflation. Like, do you think there's like a ratio that like huders abide by? So Hooters used to be, they used to be like that. I have heard a rumor about some girl told me that you had to like, this is when I was in middle school. She's like, in order to work at Hooters, you have to walk up to a wall in your.

I heard that. I heard that. No, I heard that. So this is your friend. It's Hooters used to hire based off of the attractiveness. And then now it's based off of like skill. And it's like, like, it's so stupid. I was a waitress.

I'm sorry. Like there's personal things that you have to be like, you know, nice and happy and all that. But the skill level, I mean, you're carrying things to a table. Like that. I'm sorry. Like, there's good, like balancing. That's the most. Exactly.

Like, there's. I know this is a low level, like a low resolution take on this. But I think it's positive. at least in the gender goblin world that we live in, some level of femininity is being appreciated. I'm here for it. Even if they're kids. I just think that with the conversation

of not wanting kids to learn sexual things at a young age, you can't make an exclusion. They're already learning it. They're already learning it. There you go. It's way worse. These lip charts do a bait and switch where they're like, oh, yeah, I'm going to take my kids to the gay,

like the molestation party or whatever. And then I'm like, and I'm like, that's wrong. That's clearly wrong. And they're like, oh, yeah, well, this guy on Twitter took his kid to Hooters one time. And I'm like, it's still kind of weird, but like not the same thing at all. I could totally steal man this. We can steal man it. I mean, look, you can make the argument that like they're making it a little less sexual to invite more people.

But then they would have to, I think the idea is to make it less sexual is to inherently change what Hooters is about, which would it work? Well, look, at the end of the day, they're a business. So in their mind, they're like, if it's less sexual, then more families will bring their kids here so we'll get more business. Right, that's what I'm saying. I guess. But everyone's, like, asexual now.

Aren't, like, divorce rates going up anyway? Like, where are all the divorced dad's going to congregate? What's interesting is, and this is part of the problem, is divorce rates have never been lower because the only people... The only people getting married are, like, dialed in. I mean, like, all where are all the weird unmarried men going to hang out? I'm just like, they just die alone. They're at home on, like...

Online. Yeah. They don't even have the common. sense to go to a goddamn strip. Go, go to hooters. Like, ban only fans, make hooters. You need to subsidize hooters at this. I think we each.

It's a national security. Reinvigorate what's the American. Run on that, yeah. Spencer Pratt, if you can hear me, please. Spencer Pratt, please, if you can hear me, please save me. I say go in the other direction. Other direction, don't make it kid friendly at all. Keep it what it is, but make it better.

And then, okay, close. Yes. This is America. This is America. This is no kids. And then we can ban only fans. And now the waitress. We're going to take Cuba and make it a big hooters.

It's going to be a big hooters. Yeah, but you know, this is a big problem. This is a big problem is that, again, like, everyone emphasizes, like, the most gruesome, horrific parts of, like, sexuality, which is, like, the women are reading, like, smut, like, the most disturbing books you've ever seen in your entire life. Like, vampires. Yeah. And then the men are, like, watching, like, the most disturbing pornography we've ever seen in your entire life. But, like, normal, ordinary, boilerplate sexuality is, like, frowned upon. So I swear, I don't know from personal experience.

I just think I'm using what the culture is telling me as some information here. The rise of only fans, I think actually shows that men are getting less fucked up into weird shit sexually. And they want some sort of semblance of an emotional connection with the person that they're observing. They can like pay to talk to talk. Because they want, like they actually feel like, yeah, because you know some some girls will like post their earnings online they show how much of it comes from like tips and chats sure it's actually like for many girls like the majority of it so actually have a bunch of lonely guys they're not looking for like a bunch of like depraved weird fucked up sex stuff

they actually just like want someone to connect with and so getting someone that you might have some kind of attraction to in like even like a deeper sense then you kind of get to see them in a sexual sense. So then you get a completely neutered in asexual, full romantic and sexual experience. You never get to touch them. Well, never get to feel that.

Because I think the guys that have filtered into consuming OnlyFans content are the guys that would ordinarily just get girlfriends and wives. I still think like the depraved guys who are into all the weird stuff are still engaging with that. But now you've picked off a group of guys who would ordinarily be well adjusted and now they're getting siloed into Onlyfans because the dating market's a train wreck. Like, you know, they don't.

know how to put together a good hinge profile, which, you know, chat GPT can do, by the way. But, you know, it's like what? Okay, so like you were saying about the downfall of Hooters, though, you can't discount how many of just like the third world, a bunch of guys who would never ever get to meet these girls. Yeah. Yeah, that's true.

So, you know, they live in a whole different country. Did you imagine Hooters in Toronto? Oh, my gosh, dude. It would be crazy. You know what? When you started that sentence, I thought you were going to say Hooters in India, but you did say that. Yeah, exactly.

He did. He basically did, yes. The women working out of Hooters in Toronto would have the same combat experience as like a Navy SEAL. They need security. They would be grizzled like veterans. I mean, it would be unbelievable. But also like the chat thing, I imagine that like, I think yeah, probably there are

some people who are just looking for like a personal connection and it's definitely easier to kind of like fake that or to have a similar experience just like online. It's like definitely less intimidating than going up to a woman. You can like just instead pay her $5 and like she'll say that like you're handsome or whatever. but like I do think that it's still pretty much okay and like it's still it's still is a trend that like from what I understand

that like women who get involved in only fans are kind of like soft launch a career in this industry if you want to call it they eventually kind of up the ante because that does make them more money the crazier things that you do at the end of the day like the more degenerate it becomes the market is bigger

and it's they're willing to pay more for that sort of thing Like that's very much still a reality. No, I mean, again, it's like, I think what the guys are wanting is a sexual something, even if it's just visual, with someone who they feel like... A degree of exclusivity. Well, not, no, not even that. It's like, it feels more like approachable. Like, that's because a porn star used to be this, like, very artificial, overly done-up thing.

And it's like, you couldn't touch her, not even because, like, she would never look twice to you. It's like she almost feels like an artificial... Like overly produced. Yeah, overly produced. versus like, this is like the girl that like, I walked by me at the grocery store, that all of a sudden I was just like,

oh my God, I'm in love with her. It's like watching a box office hit versus going to a, like a film festival. Yeah, yeah. So indie. I gotta say, I'm like one of the indie stuff. You wouldn't know. That's funny.

That pipeline that you're talking about is being brilliantly dramatized right now on the HBO series, Euphoria in season three. And never seen it. I've never seen it. Well, it's not for the faint of heart. I mean, it's pretty rough. It is.

But, I mean, but I mean, but they do. dramatize a lot of the stuff that is actually impacting, you know, young people at that age. And the Sydney-Sweeney character is going through that exact pipeline from. Well, how far can I take it? Oh, there's going to be more money. Oh, well, is this going to give me a pole vault into Hollywood? And it really, I think it's a very insightful, brilliant show. I would even say that, like, the Sydney-Sweeney, and I haven't seen, I've only seen, like, a couple scenes from the new season.

I haven't seen the whole show in its entirety. So maybe I'm not the most qualified to say, but like I wouldn't even say that her storyline, the only-fans storyline, is overly dramatized. I'd say that's like very realistic actually. And I thought it was refreshing to see, you know, such a huge, a show that's so huge in pop culture accurately represent something that so many women have been convinced is like totally chill and super empowering and just like a great way to make a quick buck. Because there are definitely girls that I went to like high school with or that I've worked with who, you know, were like, oh, shoot, I need money really quick. or like, or they think that it's, that they have all of the power in that scenario. And they, you know, start an only fan, and they're able to make thousands of thousands of dollars by exploiting themselves. It's like, it's a really, I don't think it can be overstated how kind of depressing it is to see people that you went to school with, you know, do things like that.

You know, so when we were talking before about how like, talking about crime and how things were like segregated. Yeah. So it used to be like, if you were like a porn star or something, you're like in that kind of. like part of society and you're like removed from all of us like normal people. And so it's like it's okay when it's that like you had to go to the store and buy like a magazine and be embarrassed if you want it to be a porn star you had to put yourself in a really weird situation. They used to want it.

They used to fight for it. How many casting couches have you been on? Damn it. No, but like really like you know, you had these people who like they were already fucked up. And so it's kind of like we have a segregated population of the society. freaks that does that does these things and we're all normal people

and okay we're gonna peek behind the curtain but like that's about it It used to be in the shadows but now it's domesticated It's much more devastating when it hits close to home That it's like your own Like you're saying like your own friends

Yeah Like a mat You know your father your own daughter Like it's like oh but we're a normal family And then this is just happening like in schools That's when it becomes like way more destructive When the people who are Part of normal society

or at least trying to be normal, it gets into there. And that's like where things get really... I've also seen videos where, like, the siblings of some of these only fan girls who have, like, younger brothers. Oh, my gosh. And they're, like... It's so bad. I know.

They're pleading with their sister who thinks that, like, what she's doing is totally insulated and harmless. That guy's getting destroyed at school. And he's, like, I'm getting bullied relentlessly at school. I've seen things I cannot unsee. Like, you are ruining my life for, like, some sort of superficial, you know, attempts to, like, make a bunch of my... I mean, they are making a bunch of money.

That's not superficial. But, like, it's, like, fake empowerment. It's not real. Like, you are kind of degrading yourself more and more, unfortunately. And it's not just you, the person that's doing Onlyfans that's suffering from it. It's the people around them. It's their family members. It's their future children who are going to have to grow up seeing that their mom's digital footprint

is not just, like, cringe selfies from middle school. It's, like, literally pornography. Yeah, especially because it's like, I mean, to your point, you used to be the freaks over here, and then this hits close to home. but I mean, women already have like an easy source of, they have the laptop jobs. Women can just do the laptop jobs. Like, you know, the only, you really got to go there. Remote corporate 9 to 5.

There's already a reliable source of income that's like very like women centric already. Why do that? Just get the laptop job. It's equally as demeaning, but at least you're not going to offend your brother. Yeah, but they make millions of, like some of the girls. And I will say like, I do think it's probably like 1% of them. I was going to say, I do think it's totally overstated how many of these girls get like filthy rich. But like you see women especially are so influential and like these videos from

only fan girls who have social media profiles that are not pornographic. Like that's just like a day in my life. They're exorbitantly rich. They're flying all their friends out to Coachella. They have all of like the expensive bags and everything like that. And most girls, I think to an extent look at that and they're like, wow, that's desirable. You know, and it's, and they feel they're convinced that it's within reach. So I think like, yeah, I do think that you could just do your nine to five and answer emails all day, but I think some girls see what could be and are motivated by that. That's crazy. I mean, it's absolutely unbelievable. Carter, I mean, on that note, do we have questions ready to go yet? We are asking for them. We're asking for the questions. Yeah. Yeah, I mean,

there's still like many points that can be made on that. I mean, one thing is Hooters probably siphoned off a lot of these women that would ordinarily go into. to, again, into only fans and these sorts of things. Because I think partially, like, it's this, again, it's this weird, I'm trying to drill down on it, but I can't quite put my finger on it. But it's like, it's almost like people are repressed because they don't have access to sex because like marriages and relationships have completely broken down. But at the same time, they're over-sexualized in a way where there's no exclusivity

to it anymore. And this goes far beyond what we're talking about, like, obviously over pornography and stuff, is like people, even like in the evangelical world will just like spill their guts about their like sex life and this sort of thing. Like you'll see these weird TikToks where it's like like, test of all deals. Yeah, where it's like, here's how we like brought like spice back into the bedroom.

And I'm like, you're two fairly normal people and I'm like learning about your sex life. It's like horrifying. Mr. Feeney recently. Oh my God. I saw that. He's 99. Oh, no.

Literally Mr. Feeney about that. And his wife is still alive. She's like 90s. They're both still alive. And their open marriage saved their relationship. And they're in the New York Coast. What a marriage? What a coat?

Like, You made it. Like, what's left to say? Does that mean it? You're just. Okay, yeah. Fair enough. But I want to know less.

Right. No, no. I totally agree with you. You know, like a kids show, like a kid's sitcom, whatever thing. Like, literally for my entire child, it was like my favorite show as a kid. And like Mr. Feeney is this dude's teacher from literally from like a fourth, like fourth grade, like through college somehow? He's his next door neighbor.

And he's like the, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, you don't know. No. Oh, man. I've heard of it, but I don't know. I did it. I think it'd be like if SpongeBob had only fans. But like, you know, okay, so this guy is like, you know, he's literally like the wise older man. Yeah, I forgot.

No, no. He's the wise older man that like cares about you because he's like literally your next door neighbor, literal next door neighbor. And he's like your teacher your whole life. So for like for, I feel like my generation, we kind of grew up like he was sort of this like weird paternalistic. Oh, absolutely. And it's like, you know, see, this is the thing when people try to like break down walls. Like, look, everyone has sex. Like this is like, like, this is like, like, one.

not everyone. But like, you know, it's a normal thing. Right. And it's fine and it's good. And we can sort of, again, like, there's the thing over there that lets you get into the weird stuff and also just like, do whatever you do in the privacy of your own home. And, you know, you can like allude, but then it's like you're just like talking openly to promote to the whole world, all these weird details. And it's like, no one needs to know that. Like I, yeah, it's so awesome that him and his wife are having sex in their 90s. That's great. But like, why are we talking about it. And not only that,

there's no sense of privacy. But then it's like, and then the open, and it's just like, dude, it's all across. Everyone's just spelling their guts all the time. I'm like,

am I the only person that like keeps my life fairly private? Well, look, okay, look. You can confide about these things like with your friends. Right. And even then very,

like very few friends. We just, we just don't have clear lines anymore because we all have our phones and we're on social media. And so like what it means is to like, that damn phone. Yeah, to like, say your things like that, a random thought that you have,

you put out on a tweet and it can, you get millions of views and you can lose your job, you know? And it's just, it's just weird, like, that's the kind of world we live in. And it's going to be really weird to see, like, the kind of like snapback rubber band effect from that. Because, okay, my first thought, like, in the last few days, I was just like, I mean, this is not the first person to say this, but like, we're going to get to the point

where every single person running for political office has had social media since they were a kid. Yeah. And it's going to be unscruppable. And so we're all, it's just no longer going to become a problem. All the Harry Potter fan accounts, like the wonder. direction like imagine. Okay, Justin, I don't even

like, listen. I felt that was personal. But like, what do you do? What do you do when like everyone has said inappropriate things, you know, sexual things, slurs, whatever it is? But that's why you had this lady that was running in the 13th district in Michigan. She's completely leaned into it.

She sees the writing on the wall of what you have to do. I am the October surprise. Anyway, we are going to read some discourse. We got to get to these people. Everyone is just blowing up our line. They're hitting a brother on the hip here. Let's see what they have to say. From Taylor Lorenza's ex-wife,

I'll just open this to the panel. How would you feel about the retro Pizza Hut bringing back the old Hooters style outfits? They'd be a crazy collab. Because I didn't experience, you know, everyone's like going on about the retro pizza hut. I know what they look like, but I didn't experience Prime Beazza Hut. This guy's like a franchise owner,

and he's got like 80 locations. Amazing. Amazing. Maybe not to all of them. But wait, are they saying, what if we had the pizza people wear the Hooters? I think they're trying to hybrid nostalgia. Well, then you're just kind of like ruin. Yeah, you're ruining it.

You're like, you can't reinvent what's already been mastered. Just like throw a bunch of nostalgia together. Yeah. That it's nostalgia slopp at that point. Because by the time Pizza Hut got to me, it was already slopified. I guess I. Apparently, and I didn't grow up going Pizza Hut. I don't think it was like, nostalgia.

It was like cool when I was, you know. And like, my parents aren't from America. So, like, we would. eat. I didn't have like a lot of important American like experiences growing up. But like, from what I understand, that's why I said get out. I was like, no. But like from what I understand, people would like go, like their families would go together and sit down in this restaurant and eat together. So like people don't even, people just door bash everything.

So going out, like we didn't, we didn't really go out to Pizza Hut. Going out for pizza was a thing. Like pizza night, you know. And so like going out to like, I mean, I got, I got pizza. last night. And I was like the only person in the whole place. But, you know, people, people, I mean, going out to dinner is, of course, not a novel concept and people still do it. But there was kind of this more like, we're going to go out and have an experience that that's not just like. I think that's what they're trying to bring back. Because, you know, what the millennials, like,

the hipster millennials did. This is like the 2010s were, we're bringing all this like higher quality food to places and kind of like industrial setting and like artisanal stuff and the Brio breweries, and all that kind of stuff. And that's like, and that's cool. Like, dude, like, now you can get, like, a grass-fed burger and tallow fries and organic. And, like, that's great. But there's something kind of, like, weirdly wholesome. Not like the ingredients have to be bad, but, like, the kind of wholesome family experience.

That doesn't have to be something trying to be greater than it is. It's just, like, this is just, like, fun and awesome. Yeah. Maybe wholesome Chungess doesn't have to be a prerogative. Maybe they can be, like, nice every once in a while. No, because, like, you want to be able to, like, take your kids and just, like, go for a fun time. Yeah, literally. Now the only place that you can go are actually the place that are like really expensive

and like really nice or like Denny's. Well, yeah, because that's the worst part about the, because you go to the whole Yeah, real. And you go to the wholesome Chung's burger restaurant now and then the burger names are like disgusting. They're like, yeah, can I get the sloppy second? And can I get the, with the white. Yeah, can I get the rape sandwich please? And you're like, what kind of place is this?

Speaking of, there's a chat in here that's asking. someone's visiting DC Oh, we're real down. Oh, yes, Patrick. Sorry. Meat Loaf of Ohio. Meatload. We can pivot back after.

You know this person. So, yeah, this is one of my moderators. It's a long story. My longtime moderators here is going to be in the area. It's going to be in Harper's Ferry, actually. So you're going to try to meet up. Finally meet up after three years of the Discord server. You guys, D.C.,

what are the three must-see things or to-do activities? National archives you have to do. Yes. Yes. I like to watch. walk the monuments. My mom and my brother just visited me and it's like a 45 minute walk and you can see all

of the monuments and they're beautiful, get some exercise. Although the weather's going to be crappy this weekend so maybe that's not a good. It's what day you're going to be there I guess. Must of rain. Yeah. Don't park in front of the museum. I think the my sleeper pick would be you got to pay. It's not a Smithsonian museum

but even if you're not a Christian, the museum of the Bible. That's what I was going to say. Pretty fascinating. Mainly because I think it's the third floor, they have all of these old, they have a massive collection, just all these different transcripts, and they have different Bible prints, which is pretty cool.

They have like a few original Gutenberg press books. The Library of Congress has a Gutenberg as well. Yeah, they have a Gutenberg Library of Congress. So beyond that, if you like food, you should go to, my personal plug is SoulSpice. It's like Korean Chipotle. It's really good. And my FOID is celiac and it's all gluten-free no matter what.

They call your FOID. Yeah, FOIDA. She's young. Yeah, I would say it's kind of obvious, but go to Arlington during changing of the guard, even if it's raining, because it's just incredible to watch that dedication with all weather. Yeah, it does. It kind of adds to that. So it's really cool to see Changing of the Guard, especially if it's raining. And that's like my personal favorite. There's some really cool. You can see JFK's grave. There's a couple other things there. My father-in-law is actually etched into a monument that's right on the drive coming up. And it's the CB's monument. If anybody knows what I'm talking about, there's a couple of.

a CB's monument and my father-in-law is actually on there with um oh man i'm totally gonna forget the name but he's yeah he's like it's like a jackhammer and that's him that's my father-in-law it's really cool lore i know yeah the lore draw we're dropping insane lore dropping lore oh mount vernon is fun too mount vernon the revolutionary war reenactment and it's okay love that for you one um our side oh your side okay they had the they had yeah i'm from here okay i'm american i promise They had like cavalry too. They had like, they pulled out all the stops. Apparently these people like camp there all weekend.

It's like all right rent fare. I love it. Cool. Very cool. They had like autistic kids like in the lineup with like a white cast of sunscreen in their colonial uniforms and like this place rules. It's boutique, unite the right. I love it.

It's great. Let's get into this question here. Does the panel think we have or are entering a period where attending gentlemen's clubs are now a lower tier of generosity due to it requiring face-to-face interactions. Maybe the... Lower tier of gender? I don't know if it's lower tier.

Because he's saying they're siphoning off the, like, just the total degenerates and the online stuff. No, I think only thing. They're going to close in a shower and heading there. Make Hooters fan. Yeah, I imagine the kind of people who go now are probably worse.

Yeah. You know, because like... The act itself, though, is probably, at least it's like you show up, you like get dressed and go somewhere. I guess if you go unironically, then you... No, see, the thing is, Because, like, now people just, like, see escorts.

Like, because escorts are so much more common now because you have social media, which finds, like, their only fans page and then all these girls do escorts now. So, like, I don't even think strip clubs are, like, they're door dashing their women. Yeah, no. Literally. Seriously. Everything is just made to order. Yeah.

No one wants to leave the house. Someone wants to go out and do things. Which, of course, then that, so, like, I mean, it's totally pivoting from that question, but I now feel like the people out in the world. are the people who truly want to be there and do things. So whenever I go do something, I feel like now we're actually selecting

for people who really want to. Especially because it costs like $40 to go outside anymore. So you got to like... Right. Yeah, it's ridiculous. It's so gay. Well, maybe outside is becoming like Costco. You have to pay to go outside.

You literally. So it's super... If we can make it that, but then again, you can't have a two-tiered thing. Right? Homeless people, they need to be like locked into asylum. Yeah, real. And so you have to pay money to go outside

and then outside to be super-duper nice. Yeah, like outside premium. And it's like the non-home. homeless part? Outside plus. Yeah, outside plus. I'd pay that in a heartbeat. Did he kidding me? My name is Jedd asks, with the 90-day mark of the Iran operation coming after a Memorial Day weekend, do you see an end coming soon, or do you think this runs through the summer and into the midterms? My personal take is it'll probably end around August or September, but like Iran formalized their toll system. They want to put a toll in the Strait of Hormuz, and they formalized it, which indicates

that look, they're trying to accumulate as much leverage as possible going into the current negotiations taking place. And on top of that, I think the miscalculation from the Trump administration was that Iran is not like any other country necessarily. Actually, the most ardent Zionists were correct. They are theocratic ideologues. And the problem is when you kill their leadership, they'll just replace them with people that literally believe the same thing. So victory for Iran is just survival. They saw what happened to Gaddafi. They saw how success Well, Kim Jong-un was at repelling any sort of meddling in their affairs. So they understand that a nuclear weapon is what they need for deterrence.

So there's no brinksmanship that can occur here. It's not going to get solved at the negotiating table, in my opinion. So I think the United States will probably crank the heat up. I don't know you're reporting a politics. I mean, I think that it would be smart to get something, you know, resolve it in some capacity before the midterms. I also think it would have been smart time after the midterms. If they were going to do anything at all, I think.

it probably would have been better to wait to make gas prices like $6 a gallon until after they you know the round of elections in November from what I understand they the argument behind the scenes was that like well the time is is now by the time the midterms pass they're going to have you know too many defensive capabilities and we won't be as effective I don't I'm obviously not super previous to whether or not that's accurate but I think that they will wrap it up in some way you know kind of mop it up as best as they can. The question, I guess, is whether or not Americans will still be feeling the pain afterwards, I think probably.

And I think that will still reflect poorly on Republicans. The gas prices have to come down. Gas prices, the food prices. Yeah, it's just not a good look. I'm sorry. Am I covering my food in crazy sauce or something? This is the new Forever War. It's a new Forever War.

That's the fear. No, no, I think that's the reality. That's the reality. How is it not? But best case scenario, he stops and we're a little bit worse off than we already are. And he can't stop because this is, you know, it's propagated by Israel. Israel is demanding this. He has to ramp it up.

And you can't ramp up in a war with Iran. This is a losing proposition. It's going to go on forever. We definitely haven't patched things up with the Iranians after this. It's not going to happen maybe in our lifetime. Well, that's the problem. And that's why I said. I mean, it's like, look, the victory condition for Iran is just survival.

So to your point, I mean, look, there's two ways this goes. is either Trump strikes a deal that like he can take home and say, well, we, you know, finished off their nuclear capabilities this time or to your point of the finish of off. Well, in a country as large as Iran, as complex as Iran, that's a three, four, potentially decade-long process depending on, you know, how entrenched they are. I'm sorry, this isn't going to get solved at negotiating table. The Trump administration is going to just have to take, you know, lick their wounds here and survive.

The thing, though, is that the Americans have a lot of capacity for this kind of. stuff that if the Trump administration does, again, just kind of accept that it's a stalemate, we might be worse off. I think we would be worse off leaving this war at the moment. The American people have very short memories. If you rack up a few domestic wins, you go and set the tone in Cuba. People, this will still be a blot on his record. There's no doubt about that. You know, in conversations in 10, 20 years, people will probably bring up while the Iran thing is like, yeah, I know. But I think that, again, if you just say, look, it is what it is. Let's take the L here. It's fine versus

to your point, that's the only way I see this playing out. Again, if we stay in and we try to finish them off, that's going to take a lot longer do you think. We already killed all their leadership. And they're still going. Yeah, and they have tons of munitions left over. The Chinese said, yeah, we'll stop supporting them. Nothing, there's no mechanism to actually force the Chinese.

And also, like, Iran, I mean, they killed, like, what, however many thousands, tens of thousands of their civilians leading up. 40,000 or something. 40, is what I've heard a lot, like, leading before the conflict. And so, like, the president threatening to take out their civilian infrastructure and kill more of their civilians, I'm like, I'm not totally convinced that that is like something that they're super worried about. Like, they actually would like totally do it themselves. Like, they were happy to kill. They were doing money of people themselves.

Like, I don't think that's going to actually, like, damage or set Iran back in the way that, like, Americans think. Because, you know, we look at the 13 servicemen that died so far in this conflict. And that's like a heavy hit for us. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, to your point, you know, not to like, I know everyone's like, oh, everything gets tied back to World War II, but this is appropriate in this situation is that's what we did in Germany in Dresden as we bombed the German people because we were under the impression that they would blame this on their government and say, just get us out of this, like sign whatever deal is necessary. Let's get out of this. It had the opposite effect, is they rally. Even though the German government was quite unpopular, specifically in Dresden, once we bombed them, they rallied around the flag. And I think the exact same thing would happen in Iran. And if we ratchet up the pressure, and sort of targeting civilian infrastructure, I don't think the civilians would say, this is the Ayatollah's fault.

They would say, wow, we need to rally around the flag here. We may not like the Ayatollah, but these guys are coming in and bomb on us. Especially since we hit them first. Isn't that kind of like what Trump was saying was like, hey, the people of Iran, like, now is your chance. Like we kind of like set the stage for you. And like if they didn't take it, then, you know,

like the only way you get regime change is if you fully change everything. And like you're saying, that's going to take forever. If it happens. So you either need like a, the people. So you either need, like, the people to revolt. You need some, you know, I've always, like, I've always said that, you know, regardless of our involvement, the only way that happens is if the people of Iran who could pose some sort of, like, counter something, work directly with Israel and get like a bunch. Because, you know, Mossad already has tons of people in Iran's thing, right? Like, there was one whole department of Iran, like the IRC that was like trying to snuff out who was Mossad and everyone in there was actually.

So it's like unless you find some way to get the people in with, you know, with working with in tandem and tandem with Israel locally, it's just nothing's going to happen. Well, and this is why there's- Can't invade Iran. No, it's true. People to revolt, they have a martyr to rally around now, thanks to us. But it's ridiculous. It's never going to happen. But you know, at the same thing, he's hated by a very large percentage of the population.

I don't know about that. I dispute that. But even if that was the case, I mean, this was the problem, to your point, I mean, there was reporting, I think it was in the Washington Post earlier this week, that that was the plan when we went in is we thought if we can create a power vacuum we're watching on TV all these protests they'll just step up and change the regime and we won't have to be too involved wow what they were like leaking opo to the new york post yeah they were like leaking opo to the new york post or whoever it was that like oh the idol is gay and like this is totally going to work and like yeah it is a funny rumor to start about someone but like if anything

they're probably going to be i assume that uh they're going to be more emboldened Of course, of course. Yeah. Well, you know, this will be the last one maybe is interesting proposal on how we could mop this up from G in the Discord here. So should we make it rain bacon grease through cloud seeding in Iran? I already know who. It would technically be chemical warfare.

I believe that would be chemical warfare. But that is a compelling proposal. I mean, it's certainly better than looking at 10 years of occupation. Or more bombs. Interesting. I knew who typed that without even knowing. You were like, if we put baking or something, I was like, ah. Yeah.

I know exactly who that is. They've actually attached a photo of what this could look like. Oh, oh, I see. I see it now. Is it AI? It's AI, but I hope so. I will say as someone who did spend time as a butcher, that pork fat is pretty really hard to deal with,

and you're just not going to go well. Yeah, in cloud seating with it. I don't know how that would work. We're a butcher. I respect that. Okay. I respect that. We do less.

This one's really easy. It's a guess or no question. We'll just do this less. Yeah. It's, um, it's um, easiest. Easiest. Easiest. Around the table, yay or nay on an infantry invasion of Cuba.

Um, infantry. Nay. Nay. Hey. It's pretty easy. We don't need to do that. Unanimous name. We need like 30 guys.

I was going to say that was going to be quick. We'll just get one more. Camaro, a few white monsters. It should be fine. With that, we got to wind this showdown, folks. Thank you very much for watching this Friday installment. It was loose. It was fun.

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