Timcast IRL - Israeli Staffers ASSASSINATED, Suspect Yelled FREE PALESTINE, PRAISED Luigi Mangione w/ Scott Horton

Episode Date: May 23, 2025

Phil, Elad, & Mary are joined by Scott Horton to discuss Israel staffers being assassinated by a far leftist in DC, Scott Horton debating Timcast journalist Elad Eliahu on Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon, the Trump administration ending Harvard's ability to enroll foreign students, and the FTC investigating Media Matters for colluding with advertisers against Elon Musk's X.   Hosts:  Phil @PhilThatRemains (X) Elad @ElaadEliahu (X) Mary @PopCultureCrisis (YouTube) Serge @SergeDotCom (everywhere) Guest: Scott Horton @scotthortonshow (X)

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to enroll international students, which I'm not sure exactly the legalities of that. I imagine that that's actually going to go to the Supreme Court, like most of the Donald Trump executive orders. Also, the FTC launched a probe of far-left group Media Matters over allegations of advisor collusion against Musk's ex, which I think is a pretty good thing. There are actually free speech questions about that, but we'll get into that. There's also an order to boost nuclear power as soon as Friday from the Trump administration, and this is in conjunction with a lot of questions about, does the U.S. have the power needs to compete with China in the AI race? So we're going to talk about that.

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Hey, man. How are you? How are you, Scott? Tell everybody who you are and what you do. I'm an anti-government type from Austin, Texas, Ron Paulian, basically. I'm the director of the Libertarian Institute, and I write books. My latest is Provoked, How Washington Started the New Cold War with Russia and the Catastrophe in Ukraine. And I do a show, The Scott Horton Show, which is at youtube.com slash Scott Horton show and I'm on hiatus from X right now because I can't use it. I can only abuse it and I have some other responsibilities I got to take care of didn't you some other projects I'm working on but didn't you start anti-war calm as well?

No, I didn't start that you know, I've been there for since 2004. Okay, so I'm the editorial director of anti-war calm as well. Awesome. Well, thank you very much. Mary's here. I just can't get over it. That book looks like a dictionary. How long did that take you? It took me about two and a half years. About two years.

I had a couple of months I had to stop. I had a hard time figuring out what to leave out. My last book, I wanted to be as a possible as of a take on each of the terror wars but this one i felt like the idea behind it basically is that the burden of proof is on me really to say if if i'm gonna say everybody else is wrong for the past 40 years about everything that they did to cause a terrible problem then i better prove it so i did so about a quarter this is footnotes it's got 7 7,000 citations. Wow. Well, apologies, because I did not introduce myself. My name is Mary Morgan, and you will usually find me on Pop Culture Crisis here at TimCast.

We actually had a fill on today, which makes it thrashing Thursday. It was. And Elad's here. Good evening, everybody. I'm Elad Eliyahu, the White House correspondent here at Timcast. Let's get into it. All right. So, like I said in the beginning, the Postmillennial reports, D.C. free Palestine shooting suspect charged with first-degree murder praised Luigi Mangione and posted death to America, says a report. Violence does not happen, but if it does, then it should, the account wrote in the past. The man accused of shooting a couple from the Israeli embassy in Washington, D.C. this weekend, this week reportedly posted praise for Luigi Mangione and wrote, death to America, as well as I voted for Hamas on social media. He has been charged with first degree murder in the case.

A criminal complaint states that Elias Rodriguez, 30, has been charged with murder of foreign officials causing the death of a person through the use of a firearm, discharge of a firearm during a crime of violence, as well as two counts of first-degree murder. According to the New York Post, federal authorities are working to connect a social media account reportedly linked to Rodriguez, law enforcement sources told the outlet. Rodriguez, a socialist activist, and yet a socialist activist, yelled free Palestine as the situation in Gaza and Palestine, well, Gaza than you. But I think that it sounds like, at least the way that the Post Millennial is reporting, it sounds like this goes beyond just the situation in Gaza. But I'd like to know your thoughts with

the beginning. And before we get into it, actually, I wanted to mention that you directed me to Ken Klippenstein's Substack post. And I think that it's worth all of our viewers reading. He posted the manifesto that Rodriguez had made. And it was dated, I think, a week or so before this happened. So it hasn't been tampered with or whatever. There's a timestamp. But I'd like to hear your thoughts. Sure. Okay, well, a few things.

First of all, I'm not the best, although I'm really good on it. My guys are the best. You're the most humble. I truly could not recommend more highly Dave DeCamp, especially our news director at Antiwar.com, who covers this stuff in and out every day and is the best, Kyle Anzalone as well, and the whole crew over there at Antiwar.com who covers this stuff in and out every day and and is the best Kyle Anzalone as well and the whole crew over there at antiwar.com and there are

a lot of other people who are really great on it so I won't claim that and then I'm sorry I lost my train of thought on what the second point I was gonna make but the third one I'll just skip to I'll see if I can remember that later the main point being first uh, first of all, it's obviously first degree murder, premeditated assassination. So I either life in prison without parole or death penalty, whatever the state, you know, or that is, uh, the jurisdiction, Oh, I guess it'd be a federal case. So, um, uh, so death penalty has been reinstated on the federal level. Right. So later's for him.

I mean, yeah, it's terrible. And it should be condemned, especially by anybody who is sympathetic with the Palestinians. If the guy thought he was helping the Palestinians, obviously he might as well have been working for the Israelis as far as that goes. Something like this is the worst kind of thing somebody could do to discredit the cause that they support. But, you know, I'm sure you're familiar with Saul Alinsky. Yes, absolutely. That wrote Rules for Radicals. And I'm not a commie, by the way, I learned this from the John Birchers, that Saul Alinsky... Actually, Scott is very far away from communist. I'll definitely vouch for Scott on that. He's very, very far away from

communist. Thank you. Thank you. But it is, I'm pretty sure it's page 74 of Rules for Radicals, because I did, I needed the footnote. And what he says in there is in all asymmetrical political action, the action is in the reaction of the opposition, right? So it's all about creating a conflict, heightening tensions, this kind of thing. trying to do, I mean, assuming the guy thought it through at all, what he's trying to do is get Trump to clamp down harder on pro-Palestine protesters and then get them to react harder against him and just like trolling back and forth, right? Each other, heightening the tension and making things worse in order to try to cause the change. So that's the strategy behind, I mean, presumably if you had a strategy at all other than just angrily lashing out to murder these people one thing is Only in the most ironic sense you understand what I mean that just everybody else got lucky other than this poor couple That this guy could have set off a truck bomb and killed a bunch of innocent people and I've been predicting this for a long time

It's this time. It was a commie on on new year's it was a army veteran convert to islam who attacked bourbon street yep right and now this all got obscured because there was that other veteran set off the truck bomb in las vegas with that weird letter to sean ryan and all this stuff that obscured the whole thing what happened on bourbon street and now they never released the guy's uh video rants they say that he he recorded himself on his drive to New Orleans from Houston right they haven't released that or transcripts of that as far as I know yet but I'm willing to go out on a limb and bet you 10 bucks that what he was ranting about was the war in Gaza and then what happened was it's not even a war the canned hunt

the slaughter of these poor people over there and then what he did it's not even a war the canned hunt the slaughter of these poor people over there and then what he did was slaughter a bunch of innocent people partying on bourbon street on new year's eve so in other words like other than children you couldn't get more innocent of civilians than just people out drinking having a good time doing nothing and they got to pay the price for israel's sins here and the point being that not obviously, as everyone should understand, not to justify what they're doing, but to explain that's their justification. That's their rationalization. And so supporting Israel the way that we do, it is not in America's national interest. I wish Tim was here because I'd like to remind him, as I told him before.

And this is, I think, obscured by a lot of smoke and a lot of other things. But Israel and America's support for Israel is the primary reason that America's own al-Qaeda terrorist mercenaries turned on the United States of America and hit us, not just on September 11th, but all through the 1990s. Their first attack here, it was, you know, proto-al-Qaeda, Egyptian Islamic Jihad. Their first attack here was Rabbi was proto-Al Qaeda, Egyptian Islamic Jihad. Their first attack here was Rabbi Kahane in New York City. And he was a radical right-wing rabbi from the Koch Party, which the Israeli Supreme Court had banned for being fascist. And they assassinated him in New York City.

And it was the same crew that tried that in 1990. And he had a really good Jewish lawyer that got everything narrowed down to just this very narrow question and the whole investigation into the rest of his co-conspirators got all trashed and the same group went on to bomb the world trade center in 1993 with ramzi yusef with ramzi yusef and see the story there people don't know this it's an interesting one the fbi could have stopped it. It's a side point, but it's worth making. The FBI had an informant inside the group. And the two agents working the case were doing a good job.

But their boss prevented them from following through. And he cut the guy's pay and he demanded that he wear a wire, which was impossible. He would have got caught. So the informant, who was going to make a fake bomb left the plot, and then they brought in Ramzi Youssef, and Youssef is the one who cooked the real bomb. And they almost succeeded in toppling one tower over into the other, which would have hit a few more too. Most people don't think about it because the consequences weren't catastrophic. Yeah, six people were killed. So people just blew it off. And then, of course, the ATF raided the Branch Davidians church two days later.

And so that is what took all the attention away from the first retreat. I didn't realize they were that close in time. Yeah, it was February the 26th and the 28th there. A Sunday morning, they raided them because they thought, well, they'll all be at church, so we'll catch them by surprise. That's what you do, you know, when you're the ATF. Anyway, and then all through the 1990s, this is the same group. They tried to kill Americans at the hotel, a Rassan hotel in Yemen in 1992. Americans training the Saudi National Guard in 1995. The barracks, the Khobar Towers barracks killed 19 American airmen in 1996.

Then the Africa embassies in 98, the coal in 2000, eventually September 11th. And this whole time, this group of guys working for bin Laden and Zawahiri, they were motivated primarily, their whole propaganda, and never mind exactly what bin Laden believed, because he's a murderer, so who cares what he says, right? As far as you don't take his word for anything. But the point is, this is how he recruited people is he would point at america's occupation of saudi arabia in order to dual contain iraq and iran at israel's behest see i thought and and america's support for israel in their persecution of the palestinians and the lebanese those are the top two things on the list of their reasons and these guys worked for bill clinton the whole time they're bombing us. Bill Clinton's still backing them in Bosnia and Kosovo

and Chechnya. And he thinks he's cute. 10 of the 19 hijackers had fought on America's side in Bosnia or Chechnya before they turned around and hit us. And I'm not going truth or on you. I'm saying Americans were playing this, this cute game where we get to use these terrorists to kill serbs and russians and don't worry we know what we're doing but meanwhile the things that they were doing in the middle east that were motivating them to turn against us were still going on yeah and so um and i'm sorry you were going to say about the dual containment there no i just it was like i'm aware of the situation where bin Laden was saying, you know, the major reason why he was one of the major reasons why he was he was looking to attack the U.S. was because of the fact the U.S. built a base in Saudi Arabia. And they can he considered that like sullying the Holy Land.

And it's bombing Iraq from those bases for the whole 1990s long, enforcing the no-fly zone and enforcing the blockade. Again, this is something that my understanding was that bin Laden was PO'd, that he didn't get to bring his mujahideen in to defend the Saudis. That's right. Because he wanted to get the Saudis. He was like, look, you know my dad.

We're friends. We're family, essentially. I just beat the Russians. Let me bring my mujahideen here we will kick you know uh saddam hussein out of kuwait and we'll make sure that this that the saudi arabian you know make sure that saudis are safe and the saudi said no we're gonna go with the americans and he took offense to that you know he was like what the f were you know know my, again, you know my dad. Yeah, and they built a base, which is a bad thing to the Saudis.

Yeah, and you can look, there's a, it's a hilarious, there's a hilarious interview of Dick Cheney by Bill Kristol on Bill Kristol's podcast, if you can believe it. And they talk about Cheney's entire career, except they don't talk about Iraq War II at all for some reason, they just leave that out. But anyway, when they talk about Iraq War I,

Cheney explains that, never even mind the Secretary of State, he promised the king as soon as the war is over, we'll leave. And it was on that condition that they were allowed to come in in the first place. But anyway, go ahead. It's your sense that the Saudi royal family actually would intend for the U.S. to leave? They wanted that?

Or do you think that the Saudi royal family was like, ah, this is kind of convenient for us? Because it gave them the ability to say, they had the defense that the U.S. provides, and they could say, well, you know, the U.S. lied to us, but what are we going to do? How are we supposed to? I think that's largely right.

But see, so the excuse was that George Bush Sr. had encouraged the Shiites to rise up and overthrow Saddam and then had stabbed them in the back and let Saddam Hussein massacre them all because they were being led by people that had been living, Iraqis who'd been living in Iran for 20 years, or no, by that time, sorry, 10 years, and were on their way to inherit the revolution. So he stabbed them in the back and left them high and dry

and let Saddam massacre them all. Then they said, well, now we have to stay to enforce this no-fly zone and this blockade. And so that was, and then Bill Clinton continued the policy. Now, when Bill Clinton came in, he stupidly said out loud, well, I think we could maybe normalize relations with Iraq. Well, that set everybody off. And so what the Kuwaitis did was they rigged this fake plot against H.W. Bush. Everybody still believes in this, that Saddam tried to. And so what the Kuwaitis did was they rigged this fake plot against H.W. Bush. Everybody still believes in this, that Saddam tried to kill Bush Sr. in Kuwait with a truck bomb. But it's such a stupid lie.

And Seymour Hersh debunked it in an article called Case Closed. Or Case Not Closed is actually what it's called. And all it was was a whiskey smuggling ring that they embellished into this plot against Bush because he happened to be in town kind of thing. And then once that happened, that was like the final straw for Bill Clinton to give in to the Israeli policy. It was Yitzhak Rabin's policy that he was insisting on, and it was his agent, Martin Indyk, who actually had previously worked for Yitzhak Shamir, the Likud prime minister, who dreamt up and inaugurated the policy of what they call dual containment. And the idea was because America just beat up Saddam Hussein so bad in Iraq War I, he's now not powerful enough to balance against Iran. So America has to stay to balance against them both. And then that becomes then, again, the leading cause of these terrorists that worked for the United States,

then turning against us, knocking down our towers, hitting our Pentagon and kicking off another 20 years of war. I know we ran through a ton. I know it's a lot. And it's really hard to absorb when you kind of just blast it out like that. So I wanted to kind of focus in on something like practical that's going on in geopolitics right now and that's like the iran nuclear deal that president trump is trying to strike with iran so like i don't know i want to understand the libertarian institute's position on the iran nuclear dealer what do you think america's interests are moving forward while iran is trying to acquire a nuclear weapon well your premise is wrong there so here's what it is and it's a nuclear weapon. Well, your premise is wrong there. So here's what it is.

And it's a complicated subject, but I'm with it. The bottom line to start is Iran has a latent nuclear deterrent, which is essentially equal to Germany, Brazil, Japan, where they've mastered the fuel cycle. They've proven that they know how to enrich uranium. They could make a nuclear bomb, but they don't. And they're essentially announcing to the world, don't make me. And then they won't. How long would it take them?

So that's a great question. So first of all, they mastered the fuel cycle 20 years ago. So this has been their position. They could have built atom bombs by now but they haven't tried so right now they could achieve one atomic bomb of enriched uranium you know in a shorter time than when the deal was still being followed because they have built up a stockpile of lower enriched uranium so they could take that stockpile and enrich it higher before Before Trump tore up the deal under the Obama deal, they exported all of their stockpile out of the country to France, and then France would turn it into fuel rods and ship it back in.

You're doing, you're explaining, but I want to understand what is the Libertarian Institute's position? I was answering her specific question there. My position is I support, and the vast majority of Americans, I think it was 68% in the poll, said they support Trump's diplomacy with Iran to make a new deal with Iran. So if Iran tries to get nuclear weapons, how should the United States respond? Well, to skip ahead to if it came to that, I mean, well, no, not skip ahead, because you're kind of assuming the conclusion in a way.

It's like this, basically, okay? It's a Mexican-type standoff, sort of. Not like more than two people pointing guns at each other, but sort of. Where they're saying, look, man, in body language, diplomatic language, they're basically saying, if you bomb us, well, then we'll have no choice but to make nukes then. So don't bomb us, and choice but to make nukes then so don't bomb us and we won't make news and america's saying we're going and america's saying don't make nukes and we won't bomb you right so we have a perfect basis for a negotiation as things stand right now they're not trying to make a nuclear bomb they're not trying to make a nuclear bomb no they're no they're not trying to make a nuclear bomb and in fact you can read from february the 5th where tulsi gabbard the dni put

out her threat assessment and they just said the same thing that the government's been saying if they wait let me finish now they've been tulsi gabbard the director of national intelligence just just reaffirmed what the cia has saying since 2007, which is they have not made the political decision to try to make nuclear weapons. They do not have a nuclear weapons program. So if Iran decides to try to make a nuclear weapon, how should the United States respond? Well, I'm saying there's every reason to believe

they won't unless we bomb them first. Okay, so you're sort of starting from, okay, but never mind all that. I'm going down. I mean, I'm just saying. Without a deal or after a deal? I'm just trying to understand if push comes to shove and there is no nuclear deal. I'm a non-interventionist either way. So I'm trying to understand.

So if Iran decides to try to get a nuclear weapon yeah you think what we should do nothing yeah the same position that eisenhower had on the ussr i don't care about eisenhower i'm not same position that that johnson had on mao seitong the craziest person the most murder psychopath who ever lived johnson said i'm not going to attack him to prevent him from getting a nuclear weapon you should just allow yes. Your position is we should just allow Iran to try to get a nuclear weapon. What do you think the consequences of that in the area would be?

Well, according to Benjamin Netanyahu and Ehud Barak... I want to do according to Scott Horton. I agree with Netanyahu when he told Jeffrey Goldberg that he does not fear a first strike from Iran at all. He fears an Israeli brain drain that talented Israelis of means would just get up, pack up and move to Florida and

feel safer there. And that would be bad for Israel and it would give Hezbollah possibly more freedom of action in the region. That was what... It's a little bit rich because... You have no concerns about acquiring a nuclear weapon. I know you could pivot to Israel, but...

Well, you know that Israel has a nuclear deterrent. I'm sure... Israel has more than 200 nuclear bombs. I know, but I'm trying to go like... So what are you worried about? I don't think you've thought this fully through, so that's why I'm asking you. What do you think the consequences would be in the Middle East? Do you think Saudi Arabia would want to try to acquire a nuclear weapon if Iran did?

I'm begging the question because they've said said so already so do you have any concerns about that's you know nuclear what actually one of the proposals right now is that they would have a joint nuclear program together okay so under a consortium just like we have multinational consortium ben salman said that if iran a nuclear weapon, they would want to acquire a nuclear weapon. So I guess the bigger issue here would be nuclear proliferation across the Middle East. So I don't know. Is that a concern? Or is this a pipe dream?

You are begging the question. Your whole hypothetical is the day after tomorrow, the Ayatollah decides to make a nuke for no reason. They've been saying they want to make a nuke for decades. No, they haven't. No, they haven't been. You're wrong about that. I think you might be in a little bit of a bubble if you think otherwise. Just look up the threat assessment from February of this year by Tulsi Gabbard, and it says they have not made the political decision to attempt to get nuclear weapons.

Maybe I'm a little bit crazy, but I think it's bad for a regime that says death to America to get a nuclear weapon and to think there aren't going to be consequences of nuclear proliferation in the Middle East i think is naive and and nearsighted frankly and again it doesn't even sound like you have this stuff thought out frankly yeah no i don't know anything about it they signed the non-proliferation treaty back in 1968 so you think iran should just why won't you just let me finish go ahead they signed the non-proliferation treaty in 1968 they mastered the fuel cycle in 2005 they have never enriched to weapons grade they still have a safeguards agreement with the international atomic energy agency which has inspectors at all of their facilities when they signed the 2015 deal with obama and the rest of the security council They poured concrete into their Iraq heavy water reactor.

They expanded inspections even to non-nuclear military facilities and scaled back the number of centrifuges spinning at Natanz. I haven't thought this through at all. I really don't know nothing about this. Why does Iran need a nuclear program at all is the question. Why? Because so they can sell their oil and burn their local domestic supply of uranium that they mine domestically. They don't buy it on the international market. They have their own supply of uranium.

They sell their oil for money. Yeah. And have a domestic. And as I already. The first thing I said about this was it's a latent nuclear deterrent. Wasn't that the first thing I said? Was that it's a latent nuclear deterrent. Just like that the first thing I said? Was that it's a latent nuclear deterrent. Just like Brazil has,

just like Japan has. If China started threatening Japan, Japan could convert their civilian nuclear program to a military nuclear program. They already have nuclear weapons.

I didn't say if China got nuclear program. They already have nuclear weapons. I mean, all right. Yeah, I didn't say if China got nuclear weapons. I said if China started threatening Japan with them, then Japan, China knows. Japan could turn around and make nukes. Right now, they don't have nukes because they've been nuked and they've got an anti-nuke principle that they're sticking by.

There are nuclear umbrellas. But if push comes to shove, and that's true. They're allies with the United States. But if push comes to shove, they have demonstrated that they can make nuclear weapons. That's the exact same thing. I guess my point here is that nuclear proliferation in the Middle East is very naive. Guys, guys, guys, hey, guys, a lot. Why are you talking to me like this?

This is ridiculous. You're just playing straight for the camera. You're not even talking to me anymore Why are you talking to me like this? This is ridiculous. You're just playing straight for the camera. You're not even talking to me anymore. I'm talking to you, but you're not. You're talking to them. No, you love to pivot to random things while I'm trying to get to you. And you weasel around my questions. He's not weaseling around your questions at all.

I said they mastered the fuel cycle in 2005. They've been able to enrich uranium since then, and they've never enriched to weapons grade. They've stayed within the nonproliferation treaty. Even when Trump tore up the Obama deal, they still stayed within it. And even the deal itself, the JCPOA itself stipulates that if America breaks the deal, Iran is allowed to stop abiding by some of its restrictions and still stay in the deal. And they are still in the deal with our allies, the British and the French, on the UN Security Council, as well as our adversaries, Russia and China. And under that old deal, by the way, it was only majority rule. It was not

any country can veto like normal UNSC rules. So it was if America, Britain and France agree about an accusation against Iran, they have to open up to inspections, whatever we want, or else the full global sanctions regime goes automatically back into place. It was a perfectly good deal. Donald Trump is clearly trying to work out a deal along those lines right now. The question is whether he's going to stick with this essentially deal killing poisonilling poison pill that says that Iran must cease all enrichment, because they're not going to cease all enrichment, because, again, they need that latent deterrent. Hold on, hold on.

Guys, I want to bring this back to the U.S. and what this means for the United States, because it's my sense that this, and we can talk about, you know, the history in the middle east all night um but it's my sense that the situation that happened last night with the murder of the two israelis what you said earlier about it being terrible for for gaza and stuff i i think that you're you're spot on with that but i do feel like as much as this he says that this is about Israel and about Gaza, I do think that in the United States, there is a very strong current of socialist leftists that have nothing but disdain for the United States. And his his previous comments about, you know, Luigi Mangione, I think that those are worth noting because it did happen in the U.S. I think

that the situation in Gaza for a lot of American leftists is just an excuse. Just like you were saying that what bin Laden does is using the situation in Gaza to recruit people. I feel like the situation in Gaza is done by the

left does the same thing. I agree with you. That's an overlap. And look, communists are the worst on everything. You know, we used to make fun of them because where'd the anti-war left go? It wasn't even Obama. It was once Nancy Pelosi took over the House in 06. And the anti-war left disappeared.

They climbed back into power on Nancy Sheehan's back and then they vanished. And we used to laugh. See, where'd the anti-war left go? Now we're like, oh man, I wish they would have just stayed gone. We don't need anti-American, anti-Western communists taking our side on anything. It just looks bad.

It's like when you agree with Joe Biden about bombing the poor Gazans. You're like, man, I'm getting Joe Biden all over me as well as the blood of these poor kids. You don't want that association, you know? And I wish that all of these kids would just become patriots and capitalists and then continue to protest the war. You know, remember Clean for Gene? This was before our time, but when Eugene McCarthy ran for president, he really wanted

to end the war in Vietnam. And all the hippies cut their hair and shaved their beards and said let's get clean for gene and go out there and show these people that we're not anti-americans we're pro-americans but we're pro-peace here yeah and that is absolutely what matters and and yes no communists burn everything they touch you know and it and it makes the perfect foil for the war party that look who's on the side of peace, an assassin. You know what I mean? And then you just get to blow off everything else.

But meanwhile, we really should talk about what's happening in Gaza because it's an absolute horror show. Donald Trump himself said that people there are starving. And that's not an accident. There has been a full blockade. They haven't allowed any trucks in there in 11 weeks. And you can read it on antiwar.com every day. There are literally babies starving to death. And never mind a couple hundred people getting bombed to death every single day.

It's like imagine the Waco massacre over and over and over every single day for a year and a half. And people talk about sometimes on this show too about Gaza and Palestine like it's a separate sovereign nation. And this, you know, as Ben Shapiro always says, like what would we do if Mexico attacked across the Rio Grande? But that's not right. This is an Indian reservation.

The Israelis conquered it back in 1967. They de facto annexed it in 67. It's completely under their control. It's their siege. It would be like if some black gangsters in South Chicago went to North Chicago and committed some crimes. And we built a wall around South Chicago and just started bombing the ghetto. And killed 50,000 people. Bombing them with airstrikes.

Over what was essentially a massive crime. A terrible crime, or even on the margin, I mean, obviously a terrorist attack, too. And that wasn't the marginal part, I was going to say. An act of war, in a sense. But what's proportioned to 1,200 dead? And I don't know if you guys have covered this at all, but you must know. And Max Blumenthal did a fantastic documentary about this called atrocity inc you guys should have him on here we've had him on we oh yeah i was we actually sat down and talked to him yeah so he did this thing atrocity inc where he showed

where all of the worst atrocities from october the 7th were embellished the beheaded babies the the baby that was cut from the pregnant woman's stomach, the baby thrown in the oven, babies hung from clothes wires. Now, why do they do that? It was already like over, what, 800 civilians? And I don't know the exact number, but it was hundreds of civilians along with, well, but there were soldiers too. But I'm just saying some combatants, which combatants were under the rules are fair game, but non-combatants are not. But I'm just saying as horrible as it already was, why did they tell their own people?

Your mom wasn't just killed. She was raped to death all day. So why do they do that? I am. Wait, let me finish. They did it so they could justify actually cutting kids heads off. Right.

They have been the ones killing babies. They have just short of 900 named babies short of their first birthday who've died in Gaza over the last year and a half being killed over the last year and a half. That's real. We had Max on and we had him back in the old studio

and I'm a little skeptical of Max and the reason is because when we were talking He shows his notes in that documentary though he shows his work okay all time everyone can watch it's called atrocity inc and he proves that he cites israeli uh media for most of it okay well his one of the things that really set me off about it was he was when he was talking about the people at the raves at the rave that that was attacked he was like oh you know and he brought up he's like you know these these kids were on drugs and blah blah and i'm like

i mean look you know i'm in a band and i remember what it was like hearing stories about the botoclon and and you know tear the terror attack in france and you know i knew people that knew i didn't know anyone that was actually at the botoclon but i knew people that knew people like i we had people what was the context of bringing up that they were on drugs i don't know that's why i was like why i'd have to i'd have to hear it and it just it rubbed me the wrong way dude he's a leftist but he's a good dude yeah like i said he's not anti-american he is a patriot all right he's just um and and he's hardcore in this issue and look i mean i interviewed him back and he moved to israel and lived there for 10 months to write his book golioliath, back years ago.

And he's heavily invested in this. He went during the 2014, just at the very tail end of the 2014 campaign, he and Dan Cohen went in there, went to Gaza, and they did this incredible documentary. It's called Killing Gaza, and everybody can watch it for free online. It's Max Blumenthal and Dan Cohen. And man, I'll tell you, they go around, they interview all these people. And you can call it selective editing or whatever, but here's two nice Jewish boys parading around the Gaza Strip, putting their microphone in all these people's faces. And everybody's talking. They sound like they could be a Texan or from wherever you're from. You see this dirt?

This is my grandfather's house. This is my land, and you can't have it, and I'll fight for it, et cetera, et cetera. Nobody says Allah says that I'm supposed to hate and kill Jews and Christians and blah, blah, blah. Nobody says that. Nobody says we hate your freedom. Everybody says we're poor, exploded victims, and all we want is justice and to be free.

And watch that documentary, dude. You see the humanity in these people, dude. They're exactly like us. There's so much propaganda trying to make us hate the Palestinian people, but Hamas is not the Palestinian people. And as I guess you know, the Likud foisted Hamas on the Palestinian people in the first place just so they could cynically say, we have no partner for peace. You don't expect us to negotiate with terrorists, do you?

When, of course, they were the ones who put them in power. And you can read it in the Wall Street Journal by Andrew Higgins. You can read it in UPI by Richard Sale. And you can read it in Robert Dreyfuss' great book, Devil's Game. And in Trita Parsi's great book, The Treacherous Alliance. I'm familiar with the situation where the Likud party was looking to have—they were sending money to Hamas or whatever, so that way Hamas would stay in power, so they had basically an enemy to fight. And they would say, this is how we prevent a Palestinian state. We keep the Palestinians divided between Fatah in the West Bank and the religious kook Hamas in the Gaza Strip.

And then this is what this is what Dov Weissglas, who was an advisor to Ariel Sharon, said. He says, now that we've withdrawn and Hamas is prominent in Gaza, now we have a no one to talk to certificate from the U.S. Congress. And it says that we have no one to talk to. Sorry. And we won't have anyone to talk to until Gaza becomes Norway. See you then. Shalom, he says. So, right. So in other words, they want that land.

They don't want peace. They want to kill those people, drive them out of there and steal their property. Even though God says you're not supposed to covet your neighbor's property. Hold on a second. What were you going to say, Alain? I was going to ask, for how Israel props up Hamas, what's the specific allegation that they allowed money that Qatar was sending them through, that they didn't continue to sanction money? Well, it depends. If you go back in history, they aided and abetted the rise of Hamas in the first place. The Shin Bet and the Mossad both working together did that in beginning, I believe, in 1988 and into I think that's right. And into the 1990s was when they did that in the first place was to divide and for the purpose of dividing and conquering the Palestinians. As far as Netanyahu's policy, I'm not exactly sure when the Qatari money

began. It was in the early aughts. But it was... there was Israeli money that was going directly to them first, before they got the Qataris to do it. And then I have an article that I would recommend to you, it's called Netanyahu's Support for Hamas Backfired. And in there, I have all the sources and hyperlinks for you there for tons of sources and for mostly Israeli press and quoting Likud after Likud after Likud parliamentarian and and a propagandist explaining why this is a brilliant Machiavellian strategy to to make the Europeans the Americans and the

Tel Aviv liberals shut up about a Palestinian state. Because as long as Hamas rules the Palestinian state, we have a no one to talk to certificate. And we can say, we have no partner for peace. It's always these little cliches, right? That you're supposed to be easy to memorize. We have no partner for peace. Say it with me now. We have no partner for peace. And that means we get to kill them all and steal all their property. See what a great gimmick. I'm trying to understand. I think it's a little bit of a stretch to say because they allowed sanctioned money from Qatar to eventually go in that they like prop them up. I think it's stripping away. That's what they said. I let you talk for minutes, please. But that's what they

said. Great. So I think I think it's a stretch because you're really stripping the agency from the Palestinians. To think the Palestinians don't support Hamas, I think you're kind of deluding yourself to think that the reason that Hamas is in power is because of the Israelis. When they had their last election, Scott, please don't. When they had their last election, they elected Hamas. And I think this also speaks to some of, isn't it, Scott? Right? When they had their last election, they elected Hamas. And I think this also speaks to some of, isn't it, Scott, right? When they had their last election, they elected Hamas. Well, let's zoom in a little bit. In fact, what happened was George W. Bush and Condoleezza Rice forced them to hold an election was step one. Step two was that Hamas did not win a majority

in a single district anywhere in Palestine, in the West Bank or the Gaza Strip. They won a meager plurality in the parliament in Gaza. And then George W. Bush, Elliot Abrams, Ehud Olmert, and still Hosni Mubarak in Egypt, all worked together to try to do a coup to overthrow Hamas and put Fatah in power. You don't think Hamas is popular among the Gazans? I'm just telling you the history of what happened was that they won a bare plurality, not a majority in a single district anywhere. And this was in 2006.

You could say that of Likudud in israel too by the way when half of the population of the gaza strip were under 18 and unable to vote anyway and then you're deluding yourself to think and then they did a fail brother and then they did deluding yourself like i don't understand you don't think these people in gaza support hamas and then they did this failed coup even in the west great article called the Bombshell. It's in Vanity Fair by David Rose, and it's about how Elliott Abrams, the neoconservative, had this great idea that what we'll do is a coup against Hamas, and we'll put Fatah in there. But it backfired, and Hamas grabbed all their guns and ran Fatah out of there. And so, no, you're telling me,

you're sitting at this table telling me the people of the Gaza Strip have popular sovereignty and the rule of law and that Hamas is the duly elected power in the Gaza Strip, which is nothing but an Israeli prison camp. I know the people in Gaza support Hamas. And even here their supporters support Hamas. They're the Aryan nations running a prison. They're the Crips running the black part of a prison. They're the Crips running the black part of a prison. The Israelis, they're the Latin Kings. If you don't let the money go in, then, oh, they're in a starving prison.

You didn't let their money in. Hey, Elad, we gotta move on. And then you let their money in, oh, you're supporting and propping up Hamas. We gotta move on. So listen, we're gonna jump to this story. We're gonna jump to some domestic stories here. The Trump administration is ending

Harvard's ability to enroll international students. Uh, the BBC is reporting, uh, the Trump administration has moved to end Harvard's ability to enroll international students, escalating a standoff with America's oldest university. Homeland security secretary, Kristi Noem wrote on X that the administration revoked Harvard's student and exchange visitor program certification as a result of their failure to adhere to the law. Let this serve as a warning to all universities and academic institutions across the country, she wrote on Thursday. Harvard called the move unlawful in a statement. We are fully committed to maintaining Harvard's ability to host our international students and

scholars who hail from more than 140 countries and enrich the university and this nation immeasurably the university responded we are working quickly to provide guidance and support to members of our community this retaliatory action threatens serious harm to the harvard community and our country and undermines harvard's academic and research mission the trump administration decision could affect thousands of international students who study at the university over 6 700 international students who study at the university over 6,700 international students were enrolled at the institution last academic year university data data shows making up to 27 percent of its student body we're seeing a lot of confusion on this sarah davis an australian student received a grad that after receiving a graduate degree told bbc news hour now i'm not sure'm not 100% sure of the context of this,

but I believe it's because of the failure to protect Jewish students. Is that the argument here? Well, that's the excuse, I guess. That's the excuse? I mean, and this goes to, in fact, back to our original point about this assassination. Trump tweeted out, this assassination was obviously caused by anti-Semitism. Yeah. I mean, would you buy it if anybody said that the

reason you hate Trump is you just hate Dutch people? This is not what's going on here, that we have a rise in anti-Jewishness around the country. People are upset over what's happening to the Palestinians at the hands of israeli fighter

bombers okay so i i think i really i i legitimately think that that is like like we were discussing earlier that's an excuse i think that it's there's a lot of people that because yeah because they use gaza as an excuse but gaza is only only in the past couple years and this sentiment about uh you know this anti-American sentiment, this has been going on since the George Floyd, definitely since the George Floyd riots. If what you're saying is leftists need to protest something at all times and this is something and so they're protesting it, that's true.

But that doesn't mean that it's all very disingenuous. In fact, look at how many Jewish students are leading these protests and participating in these protests. Yeah, but it's the point the point that like you said i do think like the the leftist it's the it's the leftist that are dissatisfied with their own lives and to be honest solution with you i think a lot of it is luxury beliefs right like people that are the people that are upset about these situations that a lot of times they don't know what's going on but they're college kids right that other people don't protest anyway

there are plenty of people who are sick and tired of this, you know, including like half of Republicans are sick and tired of this and want to ceasefire a year ago. They don't go out and protest with signs and chant only with American flags instead, right? Like they just don't protest at all. That's just not how they do it. So yeah,

protesting is a thing that young leftists do. But, you know, there was this piece in the New York Times, I guess two days ago now, about how the Heritage Foundation had this huge plan. I guess, well, The New York Times, like, made it coincide with the 2025 thing. I don't know if that was part of it or not, but it was, I think, a separate thing at Heritage. But the whole thing was a multi-pronged attack on all opposition to israeli foreign policy in america and the whole idea is just to smear everyone as anti-semites and hamas supporters i mean that's clearly not working and then what well i mean they're trying no i mean it is working that's i think part of

what this is about is whatever degree the national government has or at least the executive branch has over the universities they're doing everything they can to get the universities to stop all these protests and intervene and it's just the start you know but the thing is i why should we have to give up any freedom whatsoever over another country's foreign policy well i mean we don't like we don't have to give up any freedom this is specifically about foreign students. So that's not really... For the existing foreign students getting deported? Well, but they're legal here, right? I mean, they're not like illegal immigrants.

They're here. They're abiding the rules. Now, we got to change the rules if they cross the line and criticize Israel, right? It sounds like the existing foreign students get to stay, right? Yeah. I don't think that it's about existing students. I think that it's only for new admissions. Well, this is just about... Well, it's sticking it to harvard in this way as punishment for the

and harvard and harvard you know like look there there's a lot of things that harvard's done that you know the right more broadly has an issue with the the dei stuff the fact that they're they're you know not admitting students that have higher scores because of their race. These kind of things have to stop. And I think that this particular issue, whereas this one, you know, maybe there are people that are going to make an excuse and say that it was about Gaza. This is more about Harvard beefing with the administration and beefing with the people that are trying to undo what is basically ingrained in Harvard nowadays, which is the whole DEI leftist perspective. And when the administration tries to force them to do this and blah, blah, blah. But I do think that this is more about trying to undo decades of leftist infiltration into the administration.

I find that hard to believe because there was no impetus in the first Trump administration to defund Harvard or slap them with these, you new rules that because anti-white indoctrination was obviously already prominent in every ivy league every every school i don't think that it was zero impetus to implement anything like this before i disagree with the with the idea that it was obvious and the reason is because i think that most of your normies didn't know about it until the Black Lives Matter riots. Most of your average people, they weren't cognizant of it until it was put right in front of their face with the slogans and the things that were being said during 2020 and the Summer of Love. And when people saw that on display like that, then people were like, wait a minute, this is actually going on. Because everyone went. The explanation that they're giving for this has nothing to do with that.

For the explanation that they're giving for why the why the kids are why they're not taking the the administrative. From the explanation that you read, there is no there's no mention of DEI or critical theory or leftist indoctrination in higher education no it that like tim was or i mean like uh like scott was saying the the argument that's being made is oh it's anti-semitism etc but the the ingrained opinions of the schools is this is all about the fight between the administration and and trump and the trump administration the the attempts of the administration to undo what's been done and again where they're raping and tort, the Trump administration, the attempts of the administration to undo what's been done. And again, where they're raping and torturing the term anti-Semitism to mean opposition to Israel killing little kids all day with our money, with our planes, our bombs, our diplomatic support,

and with future dead Americans from terrorist attacks as the result. That's not anti-Semitism. That's the last refuge of a scoundrel is what i'm on i'm on rec listen i'm on record saying that calling these things you know blaming anti-semitism or using anti-semitism as an excuse to do things like cracking down on on you know what is ostensibly freedom of speech um that's a bad a bad move my opinion. If you're going to send away people that are here on visas because they're critical of the West, America, and Israel, don't even bring up Israel.

Just the fact that they're critical of the United States is, in my opinion, enough to pull their visa and boot them. What if all they're saying is America shouldn't be supporting Israel? They're not just saying that, though. I mean, even this guy that shot those two Israelis last night, he has all kinds of stuff where he's like, death to America, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. There was the lady who had just co-authored a letter, right? Sure.

And they're kicking her out of the country. Yes. That was all she was saying is America shouldn't be supporting what Israel is doing. I mean, maybe that's all that she was saying. And maybe in that specific case, then fine. Then I would say, OK, maybe she shouldn't be sent away. But if you're on record having anti-American views, if you're a communist and you come to the U.S.

Anti-American is a pretty broad term too, man. If you're a communist. Okay, if you're a communist, well, hell. Because we won't let people into the country that are communists. If you're an avowed communist, the United States can say, no, we're not going to give, in fact, it's policy to say, no, we're not giving you a green card. So if you come to the country that are communists, if you're an avowed communist, the United States can say, no, we're not going to give, in fact, it's policy to say, no, we're not giving you

a green card. So if you come to the United States, you don't mention that you're a commie, and then you go ahead and start doing things with DSA or whatever leftist organizations, I think it's perfectly legitimate for the government to say, we're taking away your green card and sending you home. Now, I don't think that they

should be saying it's because of anti-Semitism because that brings into question things that normal Americans don't have any stake in. You can dislike the— You shouldn't be searching for a pretext either. If that's what it's really about is protecting Israel because that is what is going on here. I disagree with that, but I understand what you're saying. You're saying the leftists are gonna protest no matter what, but what I'm saying is the crackdown is because they're protesting Israel. If they're

just protesting, you know, carbon emissions or whatever, we would not have this kind of censorship. So I'm saying the crackdown should come, but it shouldn't come because of Israel. It should come because they're anti-American. I'm just saying, but that is why this crackdown is coming. Because of a foreign country. Yeah, and it shouldn't be. It should be just because they're anti-American. During the Iraq war, it was foreigners were, and actually foreigners and Jews were the ones most likely to oppose the war.

And even though, you know, the neoconservatives were doing it for Israel, most American Jews were liberals and opposed W. Bush on the thing. But most American, like foreign-born American citizens, either naturalized or legal permanent residents or whatever, they opposed the war. All the native-born guys were like, yeah,

we've got to stop Saddam from giving nukes to Osama, because that's what George Bush said. And they were, boy, were they wrong. They should have listened to all those terrible anti-American immigrants who knew better than them. To your point, the immigrants that are actually American citizens, if they've been naturalized or whatever, that's fine. But if you're not a citizen, you have different,

there are different standards, just to be clear. So you're, because you mentioned- Well, and I don't know the law on green cards and visas and whatever and whatever well if you're yeah you're here on a student visa if you're not a citizen if you're a naturalized citizen you're a citizen say whatever you want if you're a guest you shouldn't be able to say things the thing they shouldn't put up with it freedom of speech on everything is more important you've never lost an argument to a communist in your life dude why would we worry about that this is america the communists are no threat to this country if anything they bring in some good skepticism on some foreign policy issues what else are they good for i'm not sure but what are they really dangerous what they're going to seize

control of our agriculture policy and make it worse than it already is well i mean so i think that the the the a lot of the left-leaning stuff like like the LGBT stuff, that's all communist, that's pushed by communists. Well, we need total separation of school and state there. Yeah. I'm for abolishing all government subsidization, control of any school on any level. So as just the Jewish Affairs correspondent, in addition to being the White House correspondent here at TimCast, I wanted to get a tidbit in on anti-Semitism. I know not everybody in the chat

loves hearing about it, but I think it's an opportune time to talk about it. Over the course of my lifetime, attitudes towards Jewish people in this country have become more skewed and more dangerous, frankly. When I grew up going to Temple, there weren't security guards there, but now when I go to Temple, there's always multiple security guards. And that's almost every synagogue across the country, because there have been shootings at synagogues and whatnot. And then Jewish kids go to different college campuses, and they're aggressive chants about euphemisms towards violence towards Jews at these college campuses, where they're getting mogged, where they're saying things like, globalize the Antifada, which I believe is a call for violence against Jews. And I believe what we saw last night in Washington,

D.C. was an anti-Semitic attack, and it's what globalizing the so-called Intifada looks like. I cover a lot of anti-Israel and what I think are anti-American protests, and they chant this all the time. And I think a lot of them know what they're saying, although many Islamists and far leftists will cover for that. So I think that's what we should consider. And also, why should you care? As MAGA people, as Trump supporters, I think it's important to talk about why you guys should care. And I think it's important to talk about why is this important? It's because in our country right now, among the far left, Israel is right wing and white coded. When people in the far left talks about this issue, they unperson Zionists as being Nazi white supremacists.

And therefore, doing anything to a so-called Zionist is justified. And many people on the far left, they're happy about civilians dying. They're proud of it. And they're proud of all of their terrorists. They say, we won't condemn any of our martyrs. So I don't think we should be confused about, you know, what these people's goals are. They think all settlers deserve to be killed, frankly. And, you know, once they're done calling all the Zionists Nazis, don't worry, they also call the Maga people Zionists. And they will also justify violence

against you guys, like many of the people online in the far left are justifying violence against so-called settlers or so-called Zionists or so-called whatever have you. They're unpersoning these people, and eventually it will also go to the Maga people. Maga people have been called Nazis for some time. I'm just very thankful that the Trump administration is more clear-eyed on this than maybe communists or libertarians who tend to work together at many of these marches, because I know we hate— Well, I agree with some of what you say there. I've met leftists who also define-

Leftists have influenced it. Enemy way too broadly. I mean, to me, the only legitimate target for violence is somebody who's armed. And when you're talking about political violence like this, organized groups of armed men, they're all wearing black hats or at least some dark shade

of gray. The only innocent people are the civilians. The white hats are the civilians. It's always wrong to kill civilians. And it's almost always stupid, even if you don't have any morality. It's almost always completely idiotic for whatever cause that you're supporting. Like Israel, killing so many innocent civilians in Gaza right now is what has turned so many people against Israel, and in some cases on the margin, quite unfortunately, against Jews, broadly speaking, which is completely wrong and stupid. But a lot of people are stupid, you know what I mean? It's hard for, as a libertarian, I'm an individualist, so I'm always permanently inoculated, to coin a phrase, sorry guys, against collectivist identification, certainly dehumanization of any group,

because I don't even believe in groups. There are no groups. There's just individuals. We're born one at a time, and we got a right to live one at a time, and it's always wrong. This guy's crazy. And look, I've been in an argument recently with people who just say, no, if anyone even is living in Israel, never mind like a settler on the West Bank on obviously like what is currently trespassing on Palestinian land. But even people living in so-called Israel proper, that it's all illegal trespassing and settlement and those people are fair game and I got in a big argument about that with some people actually recently because there it's a pretty obvious sliding scale from white to black about who's a legitimate target and who is not

a legitimate target in fact if you look and this was part of my argument was look at how absolutely idiotic and horrible what Hamas did on October 7th was for their own cause. You got a huge cottage industry of people who think that Israel deliberately let it happen just because it served the Palestinians' cause so horribly that they thought that Netanyahu must have let it happen on purpose just so he could get away with doing what he's doing. That is how horrible the reaction is from Hamas going outside and killing civilians. But just think of the counterfactual.

And Hamas is not quite al-Qaeda. You know, they've killed al-Qaeda guys before. They're like one click more civilized than the bin Ladenites. They could have, and they have tight operational control of their armed forces too. They could have sealed the fence behind them and made sure no strangers are coming only their guys and they could have walked they could have driven right past that rave yep they could have stopped and danced and then move right on they could have driven right past the kibbutzes and then gone straight to the

military base and fought grab some captives and done their thing, and then, you know, they probably wouldn't have gotten any credit for that, but they certainly would have not gotten the reaction that they got for killing innocent women and children in that thing and just absolutely destroying their own credibility in the 10th degree. We're going to jump to this story.

The FTC has launched a probe of far-left group Media Matters over allegations of advertiser collusion against Musk's ex. The FTC has reportedly launched an investigation into the far-left advocacy group Media Matters for America over its activism-targeted tech billionaire Elon Musk's ex. The New York Times reported Wednesday that the FTC had sent a letter to Media Matters inquiring about whether it had illegally colluded with advertisers in order

to harm Musk's social media platform. Media Matters for America did not immediately respond to Fox News Digital's request for comment. A spokesperson for the FTC declined to comment. In 2023, major advertisers including IBM, Apple, Disney, Lionsgate, and Paramount fled X after Media Matters published a report alleging their ads were appearing alongside anti-Semitic content. real user experience in order to mislead advertisers and manipulated the algorithms that curate users' feeds to get racist incendiary content to appear next to large advertisers' paid posts. Attorneys representing X said the report was intentionally deceptive and caused financial harm. If you were a user of X at the time, so this is in 2023, so this is just say two and a half years ago or so um i didn't see any kind of

advertisements alongside anti-semitic material i in fact at the time there wasn't a whole lot of anti-semitic material on x to be honest with you because they were still kind of in the habit – well, maybe word hadn't really gotten out about how the policies addicts were because they weren't kicking people off a lot. And to be honest with you, I think that a lot of the anti-Semitism that you see nowadays is, like we've been saying, is in response to the October 7th attacks. Yeah, and the aftermath of that. Sure. Yeah, the consequences of that. And, you know, I don't know exactly how this works, but, you know, I think they probably already had,

like even before he bought it, the algorithms were already set where things that have, like, you know, the kind of offensive speech that a bot can recognize, it's going to keep that away from their major advertiser anyway, right? They wanted to have it like that. Because I can't recall ever seeing, you know, I can recall seeing a lot of mean-spirited things on X, but I can't ever recall seeing them just adjacent to an IBM ad.

You know what I mean? I don't think that was ever really a thing. I hope he kicks their ass. I hate media matters. They're garbage. Oh, they're the worst, dude. And I mean, they're... That Brock, what's his name?

I forgot his first name. I don't know. He used to be a right-wing hatchet man, and then he turned into the... Oh, really? Oh, yeah, like in the 1990s. He was one of these guys always flinging the flimsiest kind of accusations at Bill Clinton. Oh, okay, yeah. Like, getting in my way when I'm trying to really, you know, get at the guy.

And then he turned into this ridiculous, like, Hillary-ite hack, you know, of the worst order. We've got a piece of media here from Laura Ingraham, so let's see what she says. All right, joining me now is former Trump acting attorney general Matt Whitaker. Matt, you called this lawsuit revolutionary. Now, aside from its relative novelty, does it have a chance? Yeah, and it does, and it's good to be with you, Laura. REPUBLICAN PARTY. IT'S A REPUBLICAN PARTY. IT'S A REPUBLICAN PARTY. IT'S A REPUBLICAN PARTY. IT'S A REPUBLICAN PARTY. IT'S A REPUBLICAN PARTY. IT'S A REPUBLICAN PARTY.

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X are going to court and they're going to, you know, make these people defend their actions and their activities. And I think that, to me,, IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING BECAUSE FOR SO LONG, CONSERVATIVES HAVE BEEN DEPLATFORMED, DEMONETIZED, AND OTHERWISE ASSAULTED BY THESE LEFT-WING GROUPS AND THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA THAT GIVES THEM OXYGEN. AND NO ONE HAS BEEN WILLING TO GO TO COURT AND ACTUALLY PURSUE THEIR RIGHTS. SO I THINK THIS IS A BIG DEAL FOR SOMEONE TO INVEST MONEY IN THE COURT AND IN LAWYERS TO ACTUALLY GO AFTER GROUPS LIKE MEDIA MATTERS. YOU NEVER SEE MEDIA MATTERS UPSET THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE POSTING ON THESE SOCIAL MEDIA

PLATFORMS THAT CALL THEMSELVES MINOR ATTRACTED PERSONS, RIGHT? THEY'RE ATTRACTED TO MINORS. YOU KNOW, OH, THEY'RE NOT PEDOPHILES, BUT THEY'RE ATTRACTED TO MINORS. that call themselves minor attracted persons, right? They're attracted to minors. Oh, they're not pedophiles, but they're attracted to minors. I mean, so they don't have any problems. Great to see you. Thank you so much. All right, enough, Laura. Yeah, I mean.

Without going on that tangent about liberals and their euphemisms, wasn't there a story that was kind of adjacent to the twitter files that was about this consortium of advertisers yeah that would they kind of had the ads that would be embedded on all different kinds of websites and then they had this blacklist that was going around of i think it was people who are good on russia gay and or good on covid were getting blacklisted in this way and i guess i just wonder whether anybody's suing over that i mean elon musk has the lawyers but what about like because what it was was it was like the the blacklist was making it where it was it was really precluding new people too like if you're not

grandfathered in kind of they could just exclude everybody from all this web ad revenue and yeah i mean they have a leg up to all the people they wanted to support yeah i mean it was a really weird time there there's always been some kind of you know collusion between or at least for in the past 10 years for the majority of it for the better part of the past 10 years there was um some kind of uh collusion between the estate or the government and what was being put onto these websites. But this particular issue where it's media matters colluding with, well, essentially trying to do what they can to basically produce a scandal

to try and harm X monetarily. Like that's, that's something that I, you know, obviously I don't put it past media matters. That's something that, that fits right in there. They're kind of smear merchant wheelhouse. But I don't know. I don't know that, that this is actually going to produce the kind of results that I'm hoping for.

I mean, I would love to see Media Matters be put out of business. But I don't know that even Elon Musk is going to be able to produce that kind of result. Do you have any thoughts on this, Mary? Oh, it just reminds me of the YouTube adpocalypse, which was like ancient history now in internet years but that was back in it started in late 2016 and then there was a second wave of ad boycotts in early 2017 and i forgot what prompted it it says that it was pewdiepie's fault that that he was making was it the bridge incident it was not it was the he was making Hitler jokes. Was it the bridge incident? It was not the bridge incident.

No, it wasn't. It wasn't the bridge incident in and of itself because it says this was in February 2017. PewDiePie was under fire for posting videos that YouTube deemed anti-Semitic and hate speech, including jokes about Adolf Hitler and other things that I can't say out loud. Another example that I cannot say out loud on YouTube. And that led to the UK government, Coca-Cola, Dr. Pepper, Johnson & Johnson, and many other major brands pulling or pausing their advertisements on YouTube. So as a result, YouTube freaked out. And that's when they started cracking down on all content that was even geared toward an adult audience, let alone violating any community guidelines. So you couldn't even make controversial content at that point, which I was watching

right wing or right leaning or even libertarian YouTubers at the time who were getting their channels completely demonetized. Anders it affected everyone else as well like apolitical entertainers had their ad revenue docked in a major way and it was no longer able to be a source for their livelihood um they got a hell of a monopoly with that youtube yeah they really do that's why i mean that's why you know platforms like rumble are you know so important so you should become a member of the rumble rumble and i saw one on youtube where and this you could have written like a short story about this or something the guy's a real history professor from the university of science or whatever the thing and uh he's telling a story about how hitler censored the book All Quiet on the Western Front.

And he, in the thing, I don't know what's going to happen to this YouTube later for me saying this. In this thing, you can tell he's completely exasperated. He goes, this is the sixth time I've uploaded this video. Okay, so here's what happened. The bad mustache man took over the Yahtzee party, and then he went and he did the bad thing to certain individuals of Jewish descent. And he just has to jump through these insane...

And it's like, what algorithm is inventing this new speak that we all have to... Oh, the mean mustache man, he unalived many people. And it's like, dude, you can't talk about, you can't be a historian from a professor at a university

and talk about Hitler censoring an anti-war book. What in the world? I'm not going to get specific about it. The algorithm says so, right? There's no person in charge. It's a bot that gets to decide is is i mean at the time when this censorship kind of was be becoming

something that these media these corporations wanted to do ai is still very new and so the these algorithms they're not and i don't even think that an algorithm could properly do it now it would it would it would you know get a lot of things that that aren't necessary to be to be uh censored anyways um but you know 10 years ago when the adpocalypse happened right they were they were just babies this new this technology was new and so like they were getting all kinds of erroneous hits and stuff. But even still, like last night, there was a piece of news that came out that I'm not going to get into it, but it was regarding it was regarding the actual news was still might be something that would flag us here on YouTube because YouTube still is very finicky about what you're allowed to and not set and how do you even test it and know what the lines are they never even say what the lines are yeah they don't after the warUkraine war started in 22, there was an email that went out from Google that said, you better watch out.

We're going to demonetize anyone who says anything that implies that, you know, whatever, the way that they phrased it, that Ukraine in any way had anything to do with why Russia would have invaded them. And we'll kick your ass. And like Google is, they're the kings of the world. Right. They run the world. If you can't, if Google can censor you, you're done. Yeah. You know, but in this context, I do think that it's worth, you know, worth the at least worth the lawsuit because of, you know, the collusion or not collusion, but the efforts of media matter because it was totally politically motivated.

Right. Like Elon Musk bought X media matters because they're far leftists there. You know, the the they're about as far left as you can get and still be considered mainstream, I think is probably a fair way to say it. OK. You know, they're they're without becoming, you know, tankies. I'm sure that they have people that work there that are far enough left that are like, well, you know, it's okay, the stuff that Luigi Mangione does, considering people like Taylor Lorenz say that, and like she's made those kind of remarks. And so, you know, if Taylor Lorenz makes that remarks, I'm sure there are people there that would agree with her. But overall, the organization as a whole is probably as far left as you can get without falling into the bin of craziness.

Although with their one and only mission being defend the Democratic Party and its power. I mean, that's what they're really about. They're not ideology first. They are servants of the Democratic Party. That is their one and only mission. All right. Well, OK, so take that for take that for what it's worth. But the fact that they were, you know, working against Elon Musk specifically because he didn't parrot their their their preferred politics and even they have to

cheat. Remember how Twitter was before Elon Musk? Absolutely. I just kind of block it out like trauma based, like don't want to think about it. Man horrible yeah it was you know it was really really rough and they knew how bad it was that they were losing it they knew what a hit that was going to be and but that was that was not just because of the the they're losing the ability to control what people saying but the the ability to build narratives they could use the they could use x and people on X to repost and retweet and make one piece of media seem like it had all kinds of reach that organically it didn't. You ever read John Robb? He writes Global Gorillas is his sub-stack.

I think I follow him. Yeah, he's a good dude. Like his expertise, he started out tracking jihadis in Iraq War II. Okay. And then so he became, like, an expert on link analysis and network swarms and all this stuff. Yeah, ROBB, right? Yeah, yeah. The Global Gorilla Report.

Uh-huh. Yeah, I follow him. So he has brilliant stuff, and it's all about the network swarms online and how they're formed and how they work and how old liberal Twitter swarm used to work and and how it's changed under Elon Musk and and all kinds of stuff he's got all kinds of insightful stuff his one today is about how the Israelis just can't seem to get their act together when it comes to their messaging they're being absolutely demolished in the battle of public opinion.

It's mostly because they're in the wrong, but it's also because their arguments suck. And they can't adapt to the new form of propaganda is basically what he's saying. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I mean, I'm not going to speak to that. He's a really bright guy. I do follow John. I mean, I'm not going to speak to that, but I mean, he's a really bright guy. I do follow John. I like the stuff that he talks about. But I think we're going to move on to let's see, what do we got the. This particular I think this is actually really important.

We were posting this. There's a Reuters report. Trump to sign orders to boost nuclear power as soon as Friday, sources say. Reuters reports, U.S. President Donald Trump will sign executive orders as soon as Friday that aim to jumpstart the nuclear energy industry by easing the regulatory process and approvals for new reactors and strengthening fuel supply chains, four sources familiar said facing the first rise in power demand in two decades from the boom of artificial intelligence, Trump declared an energy emergency on his first day in office. Chris Wright, the energy secretary, said that the race to develop power sources and data centers needed for AI's Manhattan Project two, referring to the massive U.S. program during World War Two to develop atomic bombs. A draft summary of the order said Trump will invoke the Cold War Era Defense Production Act to declare a national emergency over U.S. dependence on Russia and China for enriched uranium, nuclear fuel processing, and advanced reactor inputs. The summary also directs agencies to permit and site new nuclear facilities and directs the Departments of Energy and Defense to identify federal lands and facilities for nuclear deployment and to streamline processes to get them built.

Now, people might not be aware of this, but the amount of energy that China produces nowadays is almost like it's significantly more than the US. And they're using a holistic approach. So they're using coal-fired plants. They just built the Three Gorges Dam. They have plans for an even bigger dam that is reported to be able to power an area the size of Germany, with a population of Germany.

They've increased nuclear power. So they're really taking the power consumption demands of AI very seriously. up to snuff fast, then there's no way we're going to be able to compete with, not even win, but compete with China because all AI is so power intensive. Like it takes a lot of juice to run these GPUs X or... To what end though? Well, I don't know a whole bunch about AI and stuff, but if it is the technology of the future,

you imagine... So, I mean, right now... By the way, when you said AI and stuff, but if it is the technology of the future, you imagine, so, I mean, right now... By the way, when you said Chinese and nuclear, you remind me, I screwed up earlier. It wasn't Eisenhower. It was Truman who decided not to attack the Soviet Union before they got atom bombs. Oh, yes. I don't know what I was thinking.

That's okay. Sorry about that. Everybody misspeaks. But yeah, the amount of energy that AI takes is insane. And like right now, like X has got or Tesla has all of the information that all your Tesla cars report back to X and give them their telemetry and give them their experiences. So they use that to model AI. And you know that the Optimus robot is going to need significant AI in order to train it. And if Musk is right, he's talking about 10 million optimist robots, I think by 2030 out in, in the world. Now you have,

it takes a lot of compute to train them, but once you train one robot, that's training all of them because it's just a just then it's just a download after that so he's i saw an interview of musk today was he was talking he's like look all you do is you train a robot like you like you train kids basically you let you put an optimist in a room and you give it toys to play with like literally like the the squares to put through the square hole and the star to put through the star hole. And that's how you train it to be able to function in the real world. And nowadays, because nowadays the way they train it is they have people put on a suit and a mask that can see and they'll do, you know, activities, whatever it is.

That's why you see the Optimus robots that can dance. They're pre-programmed to dance like that. So there's someone that actually did that dance. They motion capture and then they just transfer that to the Optimus, and it can do it. But to have an autonomous robot that they can actually sell as basically a servant inside your house, it has to be able to manage your house, not just the house that they saw, but it has to be able to manage a house, not just the house that they saw, but it has to be able to manage a house that it's never been in, get into the house, learn the house and go up and down the stairs or,

or whatever. Exactly. And that's, that's the thing that Musk is talking about. And that takes a lot of compute power. And right now the U S just doesn't have the kind of energy production necessary. China does, or China's at least making serious uh attempts to do it but even something it's crazy the thing is like if i say to you okay man we're going to repeal all the regulations that are preventing this from happening right now well which regulations because i'd be the first to bet that probably 80 of them are stupid and and redundant and irrelevant and and hamstring proper efforts. On the other hand, if they're going to get rid of them,

I guess I'd be willing to bet 80% that they would get rid of the wrong ones, the ones that actually keep Mr. Burns from irradiating us all. That means you just have to get rid of all of them. But look, engineers are badass. I don't put it past them. They can do it. Assuming the checks and balances are there to, you know, keep everything inspected and safe, then I say go for it. We were talking about a little bit before we went on about how, I don't know a lot about this, but I've heard tell over the years from different sources and read a little bit here and there about how at least claims that for all the nuclear waste in the country right now, it could all be refined further and further and further in various steps

to the point where it's completely inert and harmless, and we get all that energy out of it, and we're left with no dangerous waste at all. And the first time I heard about this and the second time I heard about this, they both said the same thing. Jimmy Carter ruined it because he signed all these executive orders saying you're not allowed to transport the stuff around. But there's only one or two facilities that can handle this process.

Yeah. But you're not allowed to move anything from here to there and this kind of thing. But, of course, you could just build more of those reactors. I'm sure there's more regulations preventing those kinds of reactors from being built, too. There haven't been a new reactor building. This could be done right, apparently. Yes. You know what I mean?

Absolutely. I mean, look, if you look at Germany and France, right? Germany decided not to build nuclear reactors. France decided that they were going to be building nuclear reactors. Germany ended up buying LP and energy production from

Russia. After they were sanctioned. In Texas. Probably Texas, yeah. I imagine so. But France, and they still had energy problems. They still had rolling blackouts, if I understand correctly. France doesn't because they have the ability to generate electricity, because they decided to use nuclear. And there hasn't been a problem in France when it comes to nuclear energy. Hey, can I ask a question for the chat room?

I bet you there's some engineers in there and stuff i had read years ago about someone was just ridiculing the idea that we use nuclear to heat water to make steam and turn a piston are you kidding me i take no way yeah what this guy said was you could get rid of all those steps and go from nuclear straight to electricity the physics are there. If you know what you're doing, they could have done it years ago. They could do it now. I wonder if that's nonsense. All right, chat.

I don't have a good footnote for that, but I read about it. Is there anybody in chat that knows? Does anybody know? Is that a thing? Can you? Because what about that? If you just go from nuclear straight, forget heat and just go straight to electricity. You just change nuclear fuel into electricity without the steam engine part.

What do you guys know? It does seem silly, doesn't it? Splitting atoms to generate steam like it's still the 19th century. There's got to be a better way, man. It's 100-year-old technology, but you're just using a high-tech firecracker. But on the topic of AI, this right here, just so people get a sense, this is AI. Check this out. So I went to the zoo the other day,

and all they had was one dog. It was a shih tzu. I mean, obviously, it's a terrible joke. So I went to the zoo the other day, and all they had was one dog. It was a shih tzu. Rightly. But these are, you know, these are AI.

I want no bullshit. You stay on my six at all times. When they shoot the guns in this, they're not touching the trigger. Yeah, well, I mean, there are still tells. You know, like 20 gigantic dudes getting out of that little van. The guy is just looking straight at the camera. Yeah, you know. It is getting better.

Yeah, I mean... It's pretty amazing. Party boards. I'll be interested when they make a rom-com. How long are you going to be before you just can't believe anything you see anymore? That's already happened to me. At this point, next year. Yeah.

Right? We already see what we want anyway. We don't need fake pictures for that. Well, yeah. I'm seeing a bunch of fake Theo Vaughn podcast clips where he's interviewing Mark Zuckerberg, and he's just saying the craze. And I'm like half believing it happened because Theo Vaughn just takes conversations in crazy directions sometimes. All of them were AI generated, and I was totally fooled. So I don't trust anything anymore. I did an AI version of my voice because I thought I would try to cheat and do the audiobook of this

without trying. And there's no way. I listened to it, like read back one paragraph. And it's terrible because of course it doesn't understand anything it doesn't know what it's talking about so it has no idea how any inflection should be, how any enunciation should be at all it's just reading words, it'll call you know, tear, tear because it can't understand the

context clue in the middle of the word of how to say it and so the idea of doing an audio book like that, forget it it'd be a complete disaster for now, yeah I guess for now In the middle of the word of how to say it. And so the idea of doing an audio book like that, forget it. It would be a complete disaster. For now. Yeah, I guess for now. But no, I'm not so sure about that.

I think this is what it all comes down to, right? It's only, to me, almost a magical belief that at some point these algorithms will be sophisticated enough that it essentially essentially mimics or even smarter than human truly more intelligent than humans i don't i don't buy it because um you are there you know what what they do is they they approximate yeah what someone would say to you if they were talking it's just a chat bot basically right and so if you look at i mean i deal with grok and with open ai whatever it's called the chat gpt4 thing and they suck they're terrible they make up lies all the time i'll ask them hey man where what was the thing that they tortured out of abu zubaydah again about the thing and then it'll tell me oh yeah it's on page 43 and it says this quote and it's

completely made up it doesn't exist anywhere in the world um they do it all the time they do and so yeah i just don't put too much stock in it so that they can have data but it doesn't exist anywhere in the world. They do it all the time. They do. And so, yeah, I just don't put too much stock in it. They can have data, but they can't have knowledge. They can't really think or understand what something means in a way that a person can. Right? What's up? I already showed them that. Oh, okay.

Yeah, I mean, so I want Scott to check out this one, though. But, like, look at this. I mean, man, the acceleration is crazy. You look far, step on the pedal, and you are there. I feel safe with him in an SUV, and it seems to be, like, the right type of car for him. I think the range is only going to get better. Sorry.

We don't want to drive gas cars anymore. Yeah, no more gas cars. This is all fake. This is all fake. 100%. You can see I'm kind of a misfit here, but don't tell anyone. I've just bought an electric car. I think it's really great for families and for little babies. I mean, if you know that's what you're looking at or maybe what you're looking for.

But otherwise, I could be fooled by that oh i could be fooled yeah like if i didn't know if i went on the hunt for ai and i was just you're just showing me a video of some people talking i don't know but yeah i mean well that's that's enough to get me right there i think i think that's like i feel like that's generational because it doesn't get me at all i agree and that's why you got to watch out for these facebook scams where they're like really obvious AI generated images being used to scam a bunch of grandparents out of their money. Showing like injured children or people with disabilities or like veterans, random heart, like just things that tug at old people's heartstrings. And then, you know, they end up in some kind of they get funneled into a conversation with like an Indian scammer or whatever.

It ends up, you know, wire transferring all their money. And that's a generational thing. They just don't have the same ability to differentiate. But eventually we're all going to feel like Facebook boomers, aren't we? I think that, yes. Yes. Everybody will. I'm going to get scammed.

You know, but, you know, back to the story that set this all off. I think that most people should be, you know, should have a positive opinion on nuclear energy. I mean, there's been nuclear power generated all over the world in many, many countries for 40, 50 years, and you can think of three accidents, and only one of them was really bad, and only one of them was because of human error. I mean, Thru Mile Island was an accident, but that didn't turn into a catastrophe.

Obviously, Chernobyl was a catastrophe. But a lot of the reason why Chernobyl was a catastrophe was because it was a communist country. Oh, and it was a government official. My friend Gordon Prather used to make nuclear bombs or test them. Real expert on all this stuff. And he talked about, I'm almost certain this is where I got this from. Yeah. on all this stuff and he talked about I'm almost certain this is where I got this from yeah that what happened was the inspector came and some alarm

was going off and he's like turn off that alarm and they just like oh I guess we better do what he says guys and so like and I guess what it was was they didn't just turn off the alarm they turned off the thing that was causing the alarm to go off but then by doing that it set about this chain reaction.

And so, like, if the inspector had just stayed home that day, the guys running the plant were doing fine. You know, they would have been fine. And then there's Fukushima, which, you know, a 9.0 earthquake in Japan is what caused the tsunami. And it wasn't even the earthquake, as we were talking about earlier. It wasn't even the earthquake that caused the problem. It was the tsunami that caused the tsunami and it wasn't even the earthquake as we were talking about earlier it wasn't even the earthquake that caused the problem it was the tsunami that that caused the issue and how bad is it now do you know I there is still some kind of exclusion zone but remember when it happened everyone was like oh it's going to irradiate the whole pacific ocean

and everyone's talking about the there's going to be two-headed fish in the pacific and you know coming to California and blah blah none of that happened yeah you know I I think that the concerns about nuclear radiation are very overblown and this is something we were talking about earlier too is like it was my sense for a long time that nuclear waste was some kind of uh you know some kind of liquid neon green yeah from the sense it was because yeah it's the Simpsons or Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, but it's not that. I've learned recently actually that it's literally

metal bars that are encased in concrete and there's never been, encased in concrete and then encased in a steel cylinder. There's never been one of those steel cylinders that broke ever there was a truck transporting one time and they got into an accident and they got knocked off the

truck and they were perfectly fine and intact because it's literally just a steel cylinder with concrete inside of it and even if it broke open it's not like it spills out everywhere it's like yes there's there's radiation and you can radiation and you don't want to go near them, but you could literally have a truck pick it up and put it into a container and it's not the way that most people kind of into it that it is. And so this kind of fear of nuclear power and nuclear stuff. Especially in this day and age, we ought to be able to not even have that waste to deal with.

We ought to be able to figure out how to use all that waste until it's gone. Yeah. So, all right, we're going to hit one more story, which, uh, is an absolute horrible way to,

uh, end the show, especially cause, uh, someone I knew happened to pass away. Um, in, uh,

yeah, the AP is reporting, a music talent agency says three employees died on a plane that crashed into a San Diego neighborhood. The music agency Sound Talent Group said Thursday that three of its employees, including co-founder Dave Shapiro, died on the private plane that crashed into a San Diego neighborhood. Shapiro is listed as the owner of the plane and has a pilot's license,

according to the Federal Aviation Administration. Shapiro also owned a flight school called Velocity Aviation and a record label, Velocity Records, according to his LinkedIn page. The agency didn't share the names of the other two employees who died. We're devastated by the loss of our co-founder, colleagues, and friends. Our hearts go out to their families and everyone impacted by today's tragedy, the agency said in a statement. A sound talent group has represented artists

including Hanson, Sum 41, and Vanessa Carlton. San Diego authorities said two people had died. The total number of fatalities is unknown, but six people were on board the plane, according to the Federal Aviation Administration. The private jet crashed early Thursday into a neighborhood of U.S. Navy-owned housing in San Diego during foggy weather, igniting at least one home

and numerous vehicles parked on the street. The plane clipped power lines before slamming into the house, said Elliot Simpson with the National Transportation Safety Board. And the person that passed away that I knew was the drummer of The Devil Wears Prada. All That Remains

toured with these guys and have done a bunch of shows with him he's not he wasn't currently in the band um but he uh he was in the band when when we toured with him so uh you know i wasn't i wasn't you know i didn't know him super well we weren't like you know going to each other's houses on on holidays and stuff but uh but i knew i knew him so it's always uh you know a weird kind of thing when it's like oh someone that i knew is not only passed away but they're in the news you know it was like a feels weirdly impersonal yeah you know um so the uh the daily mail says a famous drummer has died in a private jet crash that killed at least two people

hours after he shared a photo of himself at the controls dan williams formerly of hugely popular christian metalcore band the devil wears prada filmed himself boarding the cessna 550 at teeterborough airport in new jersey late wednesday night the drummer 39 also shared pictures of him at the controls of the small aircraft and said he was the co-pilot now it's unclear if he was joking an eerie final post showed him at the plane's control with the caption here we go the plane nailed tail number of n666ds took off from the teterboro airport on wednesday at 11 15 tracking data reveals it stopped for fuel in wichita kansas before continuing on to california where the cessna ultimately crashed in a quiet military neighborhood in san die Diego close to its intended final destination of Montgomery Gibbs Executive Airport. So yeah, you know, there's there's been a lot of people

that are talking about the frequency of air accidents. And I, I still don't think that there's actually a significant uptick in in air accidents, especially when you're dealing with, you know, small Cessnas and stuff like that or small planes like private jets like this one. They have a fairly bad safety record, at least when you compare them to, you know, the large carriers, because the large carriers have you know they have all the incentive in the world to not crash whereas if you're a private jet especially one that it sounds like shapiro i think it wasn't his name shapiro yeah shapiro owned the jet and it sounded like he was the pilot too um especially if dan was in the co-pilot seat you know he was probably hanging with his friend um but yeah you know when if it's a recreational pilot or someone that can pilot but they don't pilot the way that the the large carriers do you know it's it you're definitely more prone to

to accidents so i got to watching uh this guy pilot debrief on uh. He's a former F-15 pilot and also private pilot. And whenever there's an accident, he goes through and he always talks about the way he always puts it is the holes in the Swiss cheese line up. And once you have

three errors in a row, dead. You know, this kind of thing. And then you just have... And he goes through and he shows it's almost always this careless mistake. Sometimes, it's a mechanical problem but it could have been handled if you had followed the checklist or whatever you know what i mean and like it's pretty scary man especially like this is i would love to be a pilot but i just don't want

to take that slam that's all yeah the i mean this is a this is a pretty long flight, too, from Jersey to California. You know, it's a pretty capable jet to do that flight, you know. But, yeah. Sucks, man. Sorry about your buddy. We left the band quite a while ago. Yeah. He was on their best work.

Yeah. Yeah. So we toured with them in, like, well, I mean, we played a bunch of shows with them throughout the years, but we played, I remember we did a tour with them in like 2010. And so that was when we met and stuff. So, yeah, it's weird. So is it time for Super Chats yet? Yeah. All right.

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So let's see. Shane H. Wilder says, what a day. The big, beautiful bill passes through the house with tax breaks and budget cuts like defunding Planned Parenthood. And now the FTC is investigating media matters for collusion. Let's go. Amen. I second that. I do want to say—

How big are those cuts? They're not big enough. The Big Beautiful Bill is not big. It doesn't cut enough. There is a little silver lining on the bill, though. The Hearing Protection Act was in the bill, and that passed the House, and the Short Act was not, so hopefully we can get the Short Act was in the bill and that passed the house and, uh, the short act was not.

So hopefully we can get the short act added in the Senate. Fingers crossed. So call your, uh, representatives, call your senators, tell them that you want to see the short act added. Um,

and, uh, and yeah. Hey, can I say a thing real quick? You just reminded me, man, I almost forgot in Arizona,

the Republicans passed unanimously through the senate the defend the guard act oh yes okay and get this for anyone out there who leans left anymore i don't know how anyone could but if anyone does out there not one democrat supported it but they got it through i mean imagine that an anti-war bill and what this does for people not familiar. It's so important. This is the most important thing going on in the anti-war movement in America today. It's led by combat veterans from Iraq war two in Afghanistan, bring our troops home.us defend the guard.us. And the move is to get the state legislatures to pass laws and the governors to sign laws, making it illegal for the governor to give the soldiers over to the president

to use for combat in a foreign operation without an official declaration of war by the Congress, like it says in the Constitution, Article 1, Section 8, Clause 11, and which, of course, has been a real problem that we haven't declared war since against Romania in 1942. And so, and it's, it's conservatives and libertarians and American combat veterans from the terror wars who are behind this effort and are pushing it through. And they did have the house in Arizona all lined up, but the leadership of the house in Arizona is now botching it and falling apart. So it's kind of an emergency. But what we do is we've got this great phone banking program there at defendtheguard.us. And I'm 99% sure it's just defendtheguard.us slash phone bank. And then

what happens is once you go there, you sign up and then Diego Rivera, who's a ranger from Iraq War II and a great guy. He will contact you, train you up, teach you how to do it. And it's really works. I mean, forget the U S Congress in Washington, but your state legislature, if they get a bunch of calls from veterans talking about, you better support veterans by supporting this bill, they will support it. And it's, we've had a really, a lot of successes.

We haven't gotten it signed yet, but we've got it through many state house and state senate committees, and we've got it through full state houses and full state senates numerous times over the last few years here. So it's crucial. So anyone, especially America First, anti-war right-wingers, and libertarians, we need you. Go to defendtheguard.us slash bone bank and give them hell there in Arizona and help get this thing through the House. There you go.

Can I get one word on the one big, beautiful bill? Sure. Trump supporters should be very excited about this bill because it's one big, beautiful bill, and we won't need to wait for a ton of different bills to pass the House, and the MAGA agenda is finally getting through, and we should be excited about it.

But we should also remember the Libertarian grandstanders in the House who didn't help get this passed and are acting like a Trojan horse for the left. People like Thomas Massey, where Donald Trump again called this guy a grandstander. So we should keep in mind who's against the MAGA agenda while saying they're in the Republican Party. So it's worth mentioning. Is that what Massey's doing? He wants spending to be higher? Is that his thing? who's against the MAGA agenda while saying they're in the Republican Party. Worth mentioning. Is that what Massey's doing? He wants spending to be higher?

He's voting against the MAGA agenda. That's what he's doing. I'm not familiar. What was with the Thomas Massey situation? He voted against the one big beautiful bill in the House, and it would be cool if we could actually pull up Donald Trump. But why? Because he's so principled.

Or as Donald Trump says, he just doesn't understand how the government works. But what was the actual reason? Because he's so principled. Because it doesn't cut anything, right? So the Republicans have control of the House and Senate, and they have the opportunity, the chance, to actually make substantive cuts. But there are no cuts. There are not even decreases in spending.

It's only increases. So libertarians don't ever have to seriously govern. They get to grandstand. I thought Thomas Massey wasn't even a libertarian. Well, that's how he dubs himself. Well, he is, but it sounds like he's doing the right thing to me. Well, he's opposing the MAGA agenda in the House. Is he a libertarian?

He's a member of the Freedom Caucus. I'm not sure if he would call himself a libertarian. He is a Republican member of Congress. So he caucuses with the Republicans. He runs as a Republican. So technically he's going to be called a Republican. But he does agree with libertarians when it comes to spending because, look, conservatives and Republicans historically have been – have used the lip service of I'm a conservative. That means I want smaller government.

I want less spending. That's the way that they present their ideas. Historically, in reality, Republicans have been just as big spending as you know as democrats donald trump has a lot of things that he wants to do they cost money and you know the fiscal conservatives are like hey this doesn't cut the government and whether or not you believe whether or not you agree with the agenda that the that donald trump has or not the fact of the matter is just yesterday the bond market responded to the passing of the bill because essentially what the bond market is saying is like we don't believe that the government is going to

get this spending under control because when you have republicans in control of the house the senate and the presidency and they don't make cuts, whether or not you like this, this is true. The bond market response, this is how the bond... Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good when you get to the House and actually have to govern. I'm telling you the truth. Thomas Massey is able to posture.

I'm telling the facts of what happened. I'm not telling opinions. No, but you're really missing the forest for the trees. No, I'm not articulating your opinion is what's going on. The bond market responded because this bill passed, because there was no cuts. Ostensibly, if you make tax cuts and you can get the economy growing, then that will offset the spending, right? Because you'll have more economic activity, and so you'll have more money coming in to take care of the spending but as of right now the the the Republicans haven't cut taxes they haven't made there I think there might

be a tax cut that is in this but they haven't made any significant cuts and there's no there haven't been any of the any of the doge cuts are not in the bill to make them permanent which is that's necessary. You know, excuse me. Oh, so it was pointless. Well, it wasn't it wasn't pointless, but they they they are not taking this opportunity. Wasn't there an idea floated to make cuts in order for them to only need a simple majority? Well, this is this is a spending bill. So that's no, this is a spending bill.

And that's why they only need a simple majority. So in the Senate, they only need a simple majority because it's a spending bill. Most of the time they need 60 votes, which is part of the reason why very rarely do bills get passed, because this is what they call reconciliation. So you have to have a simple majority, and the only things that can be in this bill are things that are related to funding. So there's, when I talk about the Hearing Protection Act, that only gets in there because of the fact that there's a tax attached to the sale of suppressors, right? If there wasn't a tax, if it was just, oh, you're not allowed to have these, you have to register them, they wouldn't be able to put it in because it's not, it has nothing to do with the budget. This is specifically about budgeting. So anyways, we're going to keep-

I like Thomas Massey's don't talk down on i like him too me too well donald trump thinks he's a grandstander and says he doesn't understand how government works trump doesn't really think that he's just firing off yeah i and you know generally i like donald trump but it's okay to disagree with him on some things you recognize that right now in the budget the interest on the national debt is more than the cost of the entire empire per year. So for all you people slaving away, paying the IRS, your, you know, third of your income, all that is just going to pay interest to some sovereign national government bond holder on the other side of the planet somewhere. You're not even getting to help kill a gauzen kid with it you're not even getting to you know much less buy medicines for some poor sick old lady

nope you're just going to pay interest on the debt to the national bank of south korea and it's it's getting to the point where the interest on the national debt like to your point it's so much money that the government isn't going to be able to do anything at all except for pay interest on the debt so anything that the government wants to do they'll be taking they'll be printing money up for taking the loan selling bonds and the note when people don't want to buy the bonds because the debt is so high that makes the bond market react and yet like i said yesterday they put bonds on sale and the desire for them was very, very soft.

There wasn't people running to buy them. There was a downgrade in the U.S. credit rating by Moody's, or I think it was Moody's, but it was because people don't think the government is going to be able to pay back the bonds. If people won't buy U.S. treasuries, then the government can't just spend money like it wants. So there has to be a demand for the U.S. treasuries or else you're not going to be able to print up money. So it's a real pickle we're in.

It's something that the libertarians have been talking about for decades now. Ron Paul was talking about it in 2008 2008 screaming at the top of his lungs when the first you know the first uh housing crisis he was like we can't just print this money and then we went on to not only do the the housing to do the uh the tarp but then we spent a decade almost a full decade, at 0% interest rates. It was $0 to borrow money for banks. And so rich people were taking out loans, taking those loans, and throwing— And all the COVID spending, too. That was all brand-new money. But at least—

Not even loaned into circulation, but just sent straight out by the Treasury. So I understand your frustration a lot because it's an opportunity to get these these policies that trump wants in but there's reality is is starting to materialize and it's coming in the form of people don't want to buy u.s treasury bonds the way that they used to u.s the u.s used to be a guarantee used to be as as guarantee as there as any guarantee you could find on earth and when they opened up the bond market yesterday they were there was not the demand they just weren't there so you know that's that's reality coming to say hey this spending is going to stop one way or

another anyways so um hard case says phil i am also having my first child in october november i think it may fall to that generation to save humanity. I hope that there is enough of them because we need more people like you and me having kids. Congratulations, dude. That's awesome. It's really cool. So what generation is that? Is it still, it's the one after Alpha, isn't it?

I think it is, yeah. Is that generation Beta? I hope not. Oh, that'll be embarrassing. I really hope not. Right? That's terrible. They come up with a? I hope not. Oh, that'll be embarrassing for her, right? That's terrible. They come up with a different name.

Yeah. Let's see. Generation Based. Broken Cake 2 has a terrible idea. Give every country a nuke. No, that's an awful idea. That's terrible. Okay, but just like one or two each, though. Oh, man

Alright, let's see The Liam McCollum Show says Hey, Scott, tell everyone about Oh, never mind It says tell everyone about the Defend the Guard Act Which he already did, so Let's see MT, no

Let's see What do you got there's a lot of them let me see yeah but they're they're kind of did a lot of them were dependent on the actual con conversation that was happening at the time we wish we ran through them you know i feel like so many chats come in we never get to get to so many of okay here jay dirt biker says phil i'm still waiting for aaron lewis to come make an appearance on the show do your thing man i would love to get aaron lewis on the show but uh you know when you're when you're when you're on tour it's tough to stop to come make a show like this so aaron's a great guy and uh and and a friend but i don't know what he's up to. So let's see.

KitTanker420 says, bring back my new favorite show called Phil Tells a Lot to Shut It at 8. I've never done that. I've never told a lot to shut it. Some people don't like hearing the truth. I mean, we do disagree around here. And that's part of the charm of the show not everybody just says oh yeah we all agree on the same thing and it's okay let's see

Jonathan Foreman says I wonder if Jimmy Johns is going to get their PR department to ask them never allow their guests to drink from their cups again no I don't think so sponsorship wouldn't it be great if their stock price went way up Right

Or way down either way I think I'd be happy Just to know that What was this one up here Mattered it all Holy cow Holy cow you have Scott Horton on tonight Please give all his ideas to literally Anyone else to argue and stop him from

Writhing on the stage like a two-year-old on Ritalin. Oh, my God. Be nice to our guest. Writhing. Oh, am I wiggling in my chair back and forth too much? I think so. Let's see. Sorry, dude.

Let's see. MT says, oh, they're giving you more hell, Scott. MT says, Scott, we were just on the brink of World War III two weeks ago. Why? Because Pakistani Islamic terrorists going after Hindus. Did Israel, America make them do it? No. I mean, I think the question is whether the ISI made them do it, right?

Or whether it was like some freelance bin Ladenites. But yes, I mean, look, there's a great book called Devil's Game by Robert Dreyfuss where he explains how it was really the British policy to support Islamists against the nationalists and the socialists in the post-World War II era. And then America picked it up from them. And so America has built these Islamist networks all across the Middle East. Now, whether, you know, if it was Lashkar-e-taiba that did that whether they were originally created in cooperation with the cia i guess is doubtful i think they probably were just created by pakistani intelligence and the and the fight over kashmir no is not driven by america in fact my

understanding is that donald trump intervened and helped to negotiate a peace there which is what i would like to see america do is leave the world to hell alone and yet be willing to pick up the phone, be willing to host peace conferences, be willing to help resolve some of these frozen conflicts, as they call them, around the world and see what kind of compromises can be made. It's a really intractable kind of conflict where you have essentially a Muslim population ruled by a Hindu princeling supported by new delhi and and the local people there just want independence for themselves don't really want to be ruled by either side i don't think but it's completely you know there's a lot of that's a very tribal area as well too yeah you know the states are very fake in the first place yeah you know what i didn't even know this dude until a few years ago pakistan is actually something like an acronym or whatever you call it it's actually made up of four it's like the p is for punjab and the whatever it's all kashmir which they don't have yeah and then

funniest part and ends with baluchistan you know which is there closer to iran so like yeah there's nothing uh natural about the creation that state was the british empire that drew the lines yeah the whole all of pak Yeah, the whole Pakistan and I don't think this is the same for India, but the whole of Pakistan and Afghanistan and Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, they're all conglomerates

of tribal people, far more than they are actual countries. Well, and when it's the British that come through, they like to either divide and conquer, like they did with the Pashtuns, the Duran line on the Afghan-Pakistani border. That was drawn there by the British in order to divide the Pashtun tribes, which seems to have worked fantastically. Or in other places, the group opposing ethnicities together in a new nation to keep them divided and conquered and easier to rule. So yes, and this is the curse of the old world right is that everybody wants their nation state to reflect their ethnic borders but they don't yeah and so

then do we have to fight about it or can we find compromises you know all right let's see here from the uh the spork which says we're not afraid of what they have to say it's really very simple if they hate us why would we want them here? And why would we educate and help them? We shouldn't. Not a citizen, get out. I mean, look. What if they just hate our government, which is in our interest?

The more people who hate our government, the better, because our government is the worst thing about our society. Well, I mean, it depends. So hating us is like, I don't know, who do they hate exactly, these people? It depends on what you mean. If it's just like someone that's critical of the government that's fine but there's a lot of people that really just don't like the united states as a concept they don't like that like so the argument

they they hate us for our freedom when it comes to like overseas i don't agree with that but when it comes to the left they literally do because leftists don't like the idea of people having dissenting views. And you see that the way that they do the whole cancel culture was for all the teams and stuff. Let's see. Bueno Malio says, mechanical engineer here used to work for a cogeneration power plant. Power plants are giant inverse motors. Nuclear energy is magic rock heats water and spinny fan go burst i guess he's saying that he doesn't know of any kind of uh technology where

you can just transfer um nuclear material into electricity so um matthew perry says who else has palestine fatigue i don't care anymore i think there's a lot of americans that kind of have that opinion um look i mean can i just say real quick i don't care about the rest of the world at all like i've i feel like i'm forced into this job the fact of the matter is our government's relationship with the rest of the world is the primary factor determining our government's relationship with us if we didn't have a world empire, we wouldn't really need Washington, D.C. hardly at all. We could get rid of all of this

and have much more localized governments and much more freedom. I think that... And look, in fact, our grandparents all moved here in order to be free and leave the old world and its problems behind. The problem is our government is the world empire. The middle part of North America is the dominant force in the Middle East, in Eastern Europe, in Eastern Asia.

And so they make all this stuff our business. And we can't have our limited republic we want here until we abandon our world empire there. Like, on principle, I agree with you. But I think the biggest problem with that is the fact that there aren't enough people that are libertarians like the the argument like you you know the bumper sticker the uh you know libertarians uh viciously plotting to take over the country and leave you alone right yeah um you're taking over anything no they're not taking over anything but but the thing is like i love the idea but the fact of the matter is libertarian the libertarian kind of impulse isn't isn't popular enough to actually do that and in well it depends it's so true well it depends people grow up is the issue with libertarianism

i mean if you're talking about weren't so combative about the conversation you could you could actually like oh that's it people do people grow up like they realize that it's actually like uh hyper hyper individualism it's not how our society actually functions and we're a product a product of our environment and societies and neighborhoods that we grow up in that's not contradictory to libertarianism at all i mean the fact is it goes a bit deeper than that i mean the fact is that more and more for example right wingers all agree that ron paul was right, not just about money, but about foreign policy too. He should have never been doing any of this. And you know what? Forget the Cold War

and the post-World War II era, but at least since the end of the Cold War, Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul and Ted Carpenter and everybody who said, we should come home from Europe. We should come home from Asia, leave the world the hell alone. They were all right. They have all been vindicated. And the right-wingers now, and you know what it was. It was when ISIS took over Western Iraq. And they went, what in the world are we doing now here? What have we won out of any of this war for Israel?

The argument that, oh, you know, we'll go ahead and... What did Israel even win from our wars for them? You can tie Israel into anything, Scott. It's an amazing... Well, I mean, it is in the Middle East, so... Well, the Neoplasm... All right, the conservatives are the vanguard of the Israel lobby in the United States,

and they launched that war for Israel. So, yeah, they have a lot to do with it. All right, we're going to... We're going to find a way to shoehorn Israel into almost anything. Yeah, we're going to shoehorn them right into my books all about their role in lying us into that war. All right, we're going to...

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