Timcast IRL - Joel Pollak Uncensored: Illegal Immigrants Try To Hijack School Bus, Parents Freaking Out

Episode Date: September 1, 2024

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Welcome to our special weekend show, Sunday Uncensored. Every week we produce four uncensored episodes of the TimCast IRL podcast exclusively at TimCast.com and we're going to bring you the most important for our weekend show. If you want to check out more segments just like this, become a member at TimCast.com. Now enjoy the show. This is, uh, what's the, what's the name of the county? Now, enjoy the show. up and ran up and like stopped them or whatever. And that's not the crazy one. The crazy one is where three illegal immigrants were walking on a highway and tried to stop a school bus full of children to get on it. And I would call that hijacking the school bus. They did not succeed. This combined with the Aurora gangs taking over. It's really funny because Allison doesn't really pay attention to the news. You know, she's just she's cooking.

She's doing business paperwork. And then I turn on Fox News and they're playing this video and she just looks at the TV. She's like, what the fuck? And I'm like, yeah, this is what I talk about all day, basically. You know, the world's falling apart. She's like, where are the cops? And I was like, good question. Defund the police, I guess, because this is what you get roving gangs of non-citizens with guns. And the conversation was basically the conclusion of it was we have been invaded.

Armed foreigners have come into this country and taken over parts of it. This is an attack on the United States. A little bit more insidious sometimes because they'll come in unarmed and then they get weapons once they're inside. Yeah, right. Yeah. We've been invaded. I think people don't like to talk about this because it's crime and it's dangerous

and they don't like to feel scared. But the reality that, like, in these cases, this has to do with our immigration policy. These people wouldn't be here if we enforced, we had more security at the border and we enforced our own laws, like removing people who are not supposed to be here. You know, it's hard for me

not to think of Lake and Riley, obviously, the UGA nursing student who was murdered on campus, and the man who's been charged with it is an illegal immigrant who was known to the Biden administration with a criminal history in multiple states. It seems like something we could do something about, but instead, it's just sort of like, I don't know, release them. And especially in California, a lot of the penalties are just sort of like, well, report to court. Maybe don't. We don't know. You mentioned our immigration policy. Do we have one or is it that we have one and it's not being followed or is it the actual policy is being followed and that's to let everyone in?

Yeah. Our actual policy is to tell the American people we don't allow it, but then allow it to happen. OK, so they're violating the policy. Does anybody know what they were trying to do with the buses? Like, were they trying to? The reports I saw was these personalities, like these local news anchors, which is like perhaps they were hot and just needed a ride because the weather was bad. I haven't heard anything like police spoke to the suspects who said this.

I haven't read any of that. There is sort of the implication of like, oh, it was a bus and they needed a ride. But in America, our school buses are distinct, right? They don't look like city commuter buses. They're yellow most of the time. They say school on them. But if you don't know the culture

and the customs and you don't read English, then I could, that's the problem. So you tried to stop a moving bus on a highway? Did they have guns? I haven't seen them. Or you asked the same question, Joel? Were they armed or did they just get in front of the bus? Yeah, apparently they tried to stop the bus to get on it

and the bus I think did stop, but then they didn't get on it. Parents wouldn't let them. Oh man, this is... I mean, the video of Aurora is crazy where they're bashing the door to break it down. What the fuck is that? What is going on?

Dude, gangs have taken over. That's it. The U.S. has just like, dude, I'm sorry, this is the end of the U.S. We have allowed foreign criminal gangs with weapons to take over parts of this country. I don't care if it's a city block or not. The U.S. got fucked in 1913. The end of the U.S. Oh, that's true.

The end of the U.S. The Civil War fucked the U.S., the federalization of authority after that but like this i don't know people might ends on the southern side arm arm rebellion i live very close to virginia very close um the armed rebellion though like if like a rebellion against the immigrant invasion like people might just start arming themselves with like local militia and taking matters into their own hands if the cops don't do something about it. Well, that's always the problem when people feel not safe in their community, right? That they will feel like they have to take it upon themselves and the media will report, you know, vigilantism or whatever else.

I mean, ideally, we would have communities that were safe and people trusted that the cops or whatever would take care of it. But I think obviously there is a disconnect in the system where that's not how people feel and that doesn't seem to be a result of any of the taxpayer funding that goes into these protections we supposedly have. Yeah. Not to be too deeply cynical about it. Police can get overwhelmed too. The amount of immigration that we've seen in the last five years, 20 million.

20 million is the assumption. I mean, it's tough to know because they're undocumented. So how many- Joel, do you think Trump should talk more about immigration during the next debate? Well, it's the one thing Kamala Harris had to do and we all saw her fail. And I think he should talk about it.

It's a huge issue. I often describe myself as a one issue voter, actually on the border is my issue because so many other issues are linked to the border. You know, for example, I care a lot about what's happening with anti-Semitism on campus. Well, part of the reason it's happening, it's not like Americans woke up and suddenly hated Jews. Like, America is probably the most philo-Semitic country that's ever existed except for Israel. Like Americans have always been friendly, you know, from the days of George Washington, welcoming Jews and telling them everything's going to be great in this country for you. We've had a change in the population that goes to these universities. And part of it has to do with migration. And there are a lot of kids who are first generation students, their first generation immigrants,, but also they're the first in their

families to go to American universities, and they're bringing some of this stuff with them from the countries they came from. And there is no general training or education, and they're not getting it from home, about why you can't say certain things if you, I mean, you can say it, you have the right to say it, but you're going to offend people, you're going to make people feel unsafe. And I feel like what Trump said earlier when he said, you know, we have people, he was right. I mean, it's not thousands necessarily, but we have had over 1,000 people on the terror watch list who've been apprehended at the border. We don't know how many more have gotten through, but we have people either coming through the border or overstaying their visas who, or sometimes legally bringing

in their families through chain migration who have these crazy ideologies. Anchor babies, chain migration. It's what corrupted California in the first place, and amnesty made things worse. But you end up with large communities of people whose principal family and friends do not live in this country, and so their voting priority becomes people outside the country. It's a cascade effect. So in California, I think it was like in 96, you had a large immigrant population that was granted amnesty. And when the state was Republican, not that, yeah, this was, this is what, it was early 90s, which shifted from a Republican to a blue state.

When they said they were going to cut public services to illegal immigrants and non-citizens, there was a revolt among U.S. citizens whose parents were non-citizens and whose family and friends lived in Mexico. And so the politicians backed off thinking we're going to lose too many votes. And now you have a cascade effect of people who are not citizens voting to help people, people who are citizens voting to help their friends and family who don't live here. And it's just that it's the dam is broken. Yeah, that Reagan amnesty. I mean, that's the big lesson for conservatives. The conservatives took from that was Reagan passed this or signed the Simpson-Mazzoli Act into law.

And there was supposed to be this match between amnesty and border security. And the amnesty is easy to grant with a stroke of a pen. The border security is harder to do and Democrats don't want to fund it. So that never happened. And every time we have this debate, it always arrives at the same conclusion you know kamala harris says that donald trump told republicans not to vote for this bipartisan bill that senator langford participated in and i think there's going to be some kind of a reckoning for him down the line politically for having given this kind of fig leaf of bipartisan cooperation to this bill

if trump had told republicans to vote for the bill, Republicans would have stood up and said to Donald Trump, I'm sorry, we can't vote for this bill. It sets migration at current levels. It legalizes what they're doing illegally right now. It's got all kinds of other problems. So there's never been this acknowledgement by the establishment of either party, except for this one speech John McCain gave when he was running for president, and he wanted to acknowledge it, so he said it. But there hasn't been this acknowledgement that you have to put the security first. If you don't get the border security first, it doesn't matter what else you do, because border security will never happen unless you put it first. And I think many conservatives are actually open to some kind of amnesty, for lack of a better word, if it's the

last one. That was the deal made in 86. And it wasn't because they didn't get the border security done first. So, you know, the border, right after rule of law, in my book, The Agenda, the border is the next thing. And rule of law is important to me. I talk about pardoning or commuting the sentences, certainly of the nonviolent January 6th offenders. It's a disgrace that we have political prisoners in this country. Steve Bannon's a political prisoner. Peter Navarro was a political prisoner. The grandma who walked across the West Lawn of the Capitol is a political prisoner. It's just disgraceful.

And we also need to investigate some of the investigators. The January 6th committee collected all this evidence. They destroyed it when they were told not to. So that's number one for me. I just think that it's so corrosive of our republic to have that in place. But the border, to me, leads to every other issue. So it's important, and Trump should bring it up in the debate. What's the bill you were talking about that had Trump got behind it, it would have? So after three years of doing nothing to enforce existing law, Biden said, let's try to get to

some compromise immigration bill. And there was this bill that Senator Lankford on the Republican side negotiated with, I forget who the Democrat was on the other side, but basically they were going to get some funding for border security and even some funding for reinforcing the fence along the border in exchange for all kinds of concessions on allowing more migration. Basically, the thrust of the Biden administration has been two things. One, they don't want to fight the cartels. They want to replace the cartels by becoming a cartel. So under the Biden administration, we are helping people migrate.

The U.S. government has become a migration cartel. We're basically saying, okay, don't pay these cartels the money. Just get on these flights and we'll bring you to the United States. So we've become a cartel. And the other thing that we've done is we've said to everybody, there are going to be no consequences whatsoever. And, you know, basically the Biden administration wanted to codify what it was already doing. And I think Lankford went along with it because there was some border security funding there, but literally every Republican was like, there's no way we're voting for this. It was a terrible bill. It was a terrible bill.

It's not like they needed Trump to tell them that. I mean, it just joins the many terrible bills that Republicans have put together with Democrats on immigration. And even though you'll get called a racist for saying it, the reality is Democrats see future political gain in this large number of migrants. They do think these migrants will eventually become voters and some maybe voters already. But, you know, the idea is that they're going to change the electorate. Texas will turn blue like California turned blue. But they don't need votes. They get extra congressional seats in Congress and they get extra Electoral College votes.

So right now, these Democrats have this lie that they're actually the majority and they should be winning all the time. And then they say it's not fair that the Republican minority, the Republican minority is largely Americans who are traditionally here and have family ties to this place. And Democrats have bolstered their their electoral power, electoral power with illegal immigrants intentionally. California, if you do the numbers right now, two point7 to 3 million estimated illegal immigrants. So they're looking about four extra congressional seats. So when we're in Congress, I'm sorry, when Congress is voting on important issues, Republicans need four extra seats just to compete with Democrats.

Oh, you said they have 2.7 to 3 million illegal immigrants in California? Which would, which... Since when? Do you know what? As of right now. Starting in 2018. Changes all the time. It's been higher before. Just in general, they think there's that many people. Right now, the estimate is there are four extra. So this is the hard numbers. We often say it could, you know, at 1.2018, there was one extra seat, or I think it might've been as high as 10 or 13. But the current estimates are California has four extra congressional seats. That is fucking bullshit.

Abusive, too. It's not. That is cheating. That is corrupt. That is evil. And now they're giving away $150,000 loans to non-citizens to buy houses in California. Yeah, if Newsom signs it. It'll be interesting to see what he does.

This cannot continue. We are not a union when california is ripping this country to shreds and shitting on the floor yeah absolutely fuck california it's still beautiful they haven't ruined the beach yet but you know they're evil it is evil and also you know we have to get four extra congressional seats to stop them from shitting on our floor that's fucking bullshit well they're defending democracy sure imagine you got roommates and your roommate invites in a bunch of homeless people and says four against one. I'd say, go fuck yourself. Get the fuck out of my house. That's what they're doing. Yeah, it is what they're doing. And that's why Venezuelans in

Colorado is doing the same shit. All these blue states that are doing sanctuary laws are bringing in and this is why they won't deport them. We keep going, this fucking illegal immigrant murdered a young woman. Why would we deport them? Because they're like, no, no, no, no, no. We can't begin a process of deporting criminals because we need them for the census coming up in six years. Yeah. So Trump tried to change that by restricting the census to counting only people who were legally in the country because these states get credit for people whether they're here legally or not. And that was the only Supreme Court case that was big that Trump lost. He won on all the other major principled cases except for this one. And he didn't really

lose on the substance. He lost on a procedural thing that they didn't actually do it administratively with enough comment or enough time or whatever. So, you know, plugging the book again, I say, well, let's do it the right way this time. Trump can come in, sign executive orders day one, that the census does not count illegal aliens for the purpose of apportionment for congressional seats. Like, you can count them, but you have to have a question on the form, are you here legally? Democrats say, well, no one's

going to want to answer that question because they don't want to get thrown out of the country. But... Good! Yeah. The fuck? But then they'll just all say yes, they are here legally, then they'll all lie? And that'll be a felony. Yeah. But it's a felony to be here anyway. Yeah. then they'll all lie. And that'll be a felony. It's a felony to be here anyway. Yeah. So they'll just

double down. So you're right. Why would it matter? They should just answer truthfully. They're already committing a felony. Because then the ICE will go in and deport them immediately if they expose them. Or they'll just not fill out the census. The census person will be like, here's the census. No, no, no.

Maybe, yeah. And Democrats are like, no no no no no no no no maybe yeah maybe and democrats are are like no no fill it out fill it out don't worry if you're a citizen or not it won't ask you just fill it out right that's what happens now you can feel safe to fill it out it's not going to affect your immigration status it's not and if it does ask you if you're here legally or not then yeah they won't fill it out i guess if you're here illegally that's one crime that'll get you deported but if you're here illegally and then you commit a felony while you're here, another on top of being here legally, then you could end up in prison. Like if they say yes. Theoretically. But that doesn't happen in California. It doesn't happen in a lot of places. I mean, you know, they've let people out of jail everywhere and they've refused to

deport people. And, you know, Kamala Harris, it's weird. She has this funny thing she does where she talks about how tough she was as a prosecutor, but then also wants credit for all the leniency and the getting rid of cash bail and all the other stuff. And when you look at her record, which is kind of murky, it looks like she let some of the big fish go. She let a cop killer off death row and stuff like that.

But she went after all these small time offenders like the marijuana possession crimes. And she went after parents of truant children. They had this big push that if your kids weren't showing up in school, you could be prosecuted. And I think it was because she wanted the conviction numbers to go up. Like she kind of wanted to rack up a series of wins because she was always looking at higher office, but didn't actually want to do the hard work of fighting crime and san francisco started collapsing when she was district attorney i mean it was her then was george gascon who's now in la ruining la um you know and gavin newsom was there at the time i mean we have the same people running the state who ran san francisco

into the ground and now they want higher office. You know, it's crazy. Tim just brought in a couple of boxes of something. Oh, the protein bars are here. I've been thinking about those all night, man. Have you heard of these yet, Joel? I've been hearing about them because he's been anticipating them and hoping they were inside. I want one. I've got to try it.

Vanilla coconut. There's other flavors. I don't know what other flavors he's got. I mean, politics is one thing, but what's really important? Food, transportation, resources. Innovation. That's why I've been talking about canals so much. Yes.

Resources, transportation. Because they're like, fuck. I think there's probably another box. Fuck politics. If you can get enough people food, we really don't need to worry about who's in the White House. I mean, I'm talking about everybody on Earth. If you can get resources to every human, you really don't... It doesn't matter so much who's sitting in the office

of commander, as long as we're getting resources to the people. I would say there's like a wishful thinking, peace on Earth element to that, and like, yes, if people had what they need, there wouldn't be conflict. I'll try the birth cape. This is subtle. I like it. Damn, man.

But, you know... Timbar bar in order for everyone to feel like their security i think that's why people form don't show it to the mic it's like government to be able to say like okay we're gonna look out for these people and we have somebody to negotiate the resources otherwise you know who decides these things it's not enough to just be like well if everyone had what they need greed is real you're right i. Greed is real. You're right. Greed is real. I don't think it's greed. I think it's like people want to feel safe. That's why the family unit is important. I think that you want someone who is looking out for your interests, right? I mean that greed is real and that people with enough sometimes want more than they need because of greed. Sure. They just want to maybe be so that they feel like if a month goes by, they'll still have enough. So they want to get more than they need in the moment.

Or they say, this is how much, like, you know, everyone sets it. Do you ever see those videos of school lunches around the world, right? Oh, yeah. Like they'll show you like plates of, they're kind of entertaining. Like, it'll be like, oh, in France, here's like a block of cheese. And I don't know, a glass of red wine or whatever. For kindergarten. Yeah, for kindergarten.

Instead of chocolate milk, you get finest Bordeaux. There are cultured people. But in America, you know, you get whatever, like a burger and ketchup. And people will use it to be like, well, look, America eats terribly. And in Greece, they're all getting feta cheese and fresh fruit and whatever. But also it tells you that the resources and the products that are in those countries are different. And so if I were to say, well, your country has to have these things, but you don't naturally produce them.

Am I actually helping you or am I looking at the resources that you have and saying, OK, this is how your civilization could manage them based on your needs? So it's not just about resource production and transmission. It's about what are the resources. And not generalizing, right? Like you can't be like you can't measure every country by America's standards. America has a huge landmass, has resources that other people don't. Just the same way that like, you know, Maine's major industry, one of their major industries is lobstering, and they're dominant in the world on that front. So if you were to say, well, all the school

children in California must have lobster at least once in their life, well, you're now putting a huge pressure on Maine, which also relies on that resource to distribute elsewhere. You see what I'm saying? Like, I think resource distribution is like a well-intended solution, but practical application. Can't you trade for what you don't have? I mean, if all you have is lobsters, but you really want some cherry tomatoes, can't you sell some lobsters for some cherry tomatoes? I mean, you could do that. I hope so. It takes time. So then we don't have to say, well, we just need want some cherry tomatoes. Can't you sell some lobsters for some cherry tomatoes? I mean, you can do that. I hope so. It takes time.

So then we don't have to say, well, we just need to make sure people are getting what they need. They would theoretically have a product that they can sell for, right? You know, lobsters used to be cheaper than steak. Yeah. It's kind of crazy. There was a time when, like in Boston, for example, where beef was almost impossible to come by, but people just ate lobster for dinner.

That's what was for dinner. That was the other protein. Additionally, Longshoremen had union contracts that said you could not feed lobster to the workers for their lunches more than a certain, like, twice per week. Nowadays, it's like, man, you got lobster. Is it better now than it used to be or something? Or did they just cut out? No, it's just, you live in a coastal area where lobsters are aplenty, and

raising cattle is more difficult, but now we have these massive cattle farms all over the country, and beef has just been mass-produced. I will add, I'm having the birthday cake. How is it? It's based. The ingredients. Milk, protein, isolate, cashew butter, allulose syrup, fibrosol, cocoa butter, coconut oil,

natural and artificial flavors, sunflower, lecithin, monk fruit, and salt. That's a little too much for me. What's the artificial flavors? That's birthday cake. Eh, what is he using? If you don't want birthday cake, then you want to have the sweet and salty one,

which is just like peanuts. Yeah, I got the coconut and something else. It tastes good. Let's find out. Yeah. Welcome to our food review, Joel. Would you like to- We're making our own protein bars.

All right. Coconut has- It's got whey protein, cashew butter, allulose syrup, fibrosol, cocoa butter, coconut oil. It's the exact same thing. With natural and artificial flavors? No, there are no artificial flavors. Yeah, this is fucking good. What was that first thing? Protein whey isolate? Milk protein isolate.

I don't know. What does that mean? So there's different kinds of protein. There's casein protein. Isolate it from milk, though, is what it is? No, isolate refers to a specific one. I don't know enough about it. Oh. I got a text message from a viewer, by the way, Ian. Okay. Ian defending literal Satan is weird.

Hey, no, no. Lucifer's not literal Satan. They're different. Aren't they different? I don't know. Yeah. I mean, I think that people being demonized- Is that person never seen the show before?

No, no, no. He's a person who watches a lot. There's a through line of the victor writes the history books. And I think what happened was Lucifer was demonized. Literally, they call them demons. And they said everyone that lost that war, the war in heaven and hell, it will now be remembered as hell demon. They were all evil. Don't even question it.

That's a big part of it. Don't question it. And so I'm looking like, what really happened? Why did they call this guy the light bringer? What the fuck does that mean? Usually people that bring the light are considered good guys. Ian's here to rehabilitate Satan's reputation. You know what's so cool about this show, though?

I mean, the listeners on this show especially. Like, people will hear something like that and disagree with it, maybe even be offended by it, and still listen and still comment. They're not saying, oh, I can't stand this anymore. Oh, no. No, no, they left. It's in good faith. For real.

Like, apparently we had two people cancel their memberships because i insulted ketterd you get it but because i'm speaking in good faith i truly believe this potential story is like i do believe it i'm not just fucking with people people can sense bullshit and if they think you're wrong with the that you believe what you're saying they'll stay and they'll debate so basically like god and if we're following the story of like satan and all that jazz right lucifer whatever god is like hey holy shit they're these cities where people want to rape these these people i'm gonna blow this fucking place up these people are criminals they're murderers they're rapists they're pedophiles these people got to be stopped and then this dude is all like yeah but there's like what if there's like a bunch of good people in there? You're going to kill everybody. And God's like, you're right.

I can't, I can't do that. It's like, but what if there's 30 good people? Okay. I can't kill 30 good people. What about 20 good people? You're right. If there's 20 good people in those cities, I can't blow them up. And he goes, what if there's but one righteous person? And he's like, I can't do it. I cannot blow up a city and kill all these evildoers. If there is one good person amongst them, because I would condemn the innocent. so then they get the good people out and then he blows them up i i thought it was that he got him down to 10 like the conversation ended at 10 and then i think it was all the way down to one right well the weird thing is that we're talking about sodom and gomorrah yeah so then the angels go to sodom and gomorrah and they can't even find yeah like they get they

get abraham's nephew out they get lot Lote out. Yeah, it was one. Yeah. But, but, but even he's like not entirely above board because he offers the mob his daughters. He basically says, you can rape my daughters, leave these angels alone or leave these guys who were disguised as men. Like he, he, he's not exact, he's not Abraham. Let's put it that way.

So there really is no one who's. And then the people were like, Hey, who are those people coming down? We want to rape them! And then they went to, was it Lot's house? Yeah, yeah, he says, take my daughters. Don't hurt my guests, just take my daughters. And so, basically, the point is God is against, you know, raping and all that stuff and destruction and is righteous, and if the devil represents Sodom and Gomorrah, then I don't think he can be rehabilitated. The devil? Well, let's talk about Lucifer, because this story is fucking

fascinating. Well, we'll talk about that tomorrow. Tomorrow morning, for those that are already frustrated, if you'd like to be even more frustrated, we'll actually have a proper Christian who can explain these things on Tenet Media. But for now we'll go to callers. So we got Amaya, who was up first. What up? What's up, guys? They're going to be more frustrated, unfortunately. It's not my first rodeo in, so I'll just get right in. As a former Christian who now identifies as an atheist in the aspect of no longer believing in theistic religions, but as agnostic in regards to deism, why do you personally have so much enmity, Tim, towards atheists who are unwilling to accept the idea of deism when an atheist's main goal is to accept, is to oppose theism? Excuse me. So you're having a semantic argument

then, and this is my point. Atheism is colloquially, is definitively a lack of a belief or a disbelief in God. If you are using the word atheism to describe that you don't like modern organized and theistic religions, then you're talking about something totally different. An atheist who also accepts deism is not an atheist. It's someone who's found an isolated use of the word atheist among a group of people who don't like Christianity or Islam or something. You're saying you could be a deist and an atheist? You cannot. That is like saying you can be fat and skinny at the same time.

Is it fair to say that theism is the belief in man-made religion? No. Theism is the belief in God. Theism is the belief in a specific God. This nameable God. Simply, atheism in the broadest sense is an absence of belief in the existence of deities, is what, when you search for a definition. But that's not Oxford, that's Wikipedia. Basically, the general concept of atheism in its broadest sense, if you were to ask

a billion people, it's saying atheism, its root, I don't know if it's a Latin root, without theism, without belief in God, is the actual structure of the word. However, it is also used by people largely who believe there is no God at all. Atheist is, I believe, most commonly someone saying there's no God. That's just made up stories and fairy tales. And that's the issue. Every single atheist, self-proclaimed atheist that I've ever argued with or debated or discussed defaults to, I think Christianity is a fairy tale. And I say, okay, but what does that have to do with the existence of God? And perhaps it's because of, you know, philosophical teachings, but that you would say

you were, I am an atheist and that I don't like Christianity, but I believe there may be a God. Okay, you're an agnostic. You question whether there could or could not be a God. I have a question. What's the difference between a theist and a deist? I believe theism will refer to a religion. Deism is a belief in a God without a religion. You know what's fascinating? Just as a Jewish person who is a little bit on the outside of this conversation, not in the general philosophical sense, but specifically with regard to Christianity, I recently read the New Testament from start to finish, which I hadn't done before. I'd read bits and pieces of it. And the whole of the New Testament is a struggle with doubt. All of these questions that are raised as challenges to

Christianity are actually in the Christian text. There are people who doubt Jesus's divinity. There are people who doubt that any God exists. There are pagans. There are people, you know, it's all in there. I mean, you have some of that in the Old Testament a little bit. You have, you know, the book of Job, and he's wavering in his faith because all the bad stuff that happened to him. But there's no other religious text that I'm aware of anywhere in the world where a central theme of the text is, is he or isn't he? Do we believe or don't we believe? And there's something really compelling about that, actually, that the challenge to the religion is actually fundamental to the religion, in a way.

You won't hear people teaching you that at Sunday school, but it's in the New Testament, all of these questions and all of these doubts. Jesus is constantly struggling with people who doubt his divinity, and that's kind of the point of the story. I wish it was more about doubting if God is real, and less about doubting if Jesus is God and is the only one that is God. Because that's like, that like, what would you call it? Like exclusivity is damning. I mean, I think that's just so horrible to do to the human species to say that we're not divine, but he is.

It's like so disempowering. The overall issue I take generally is that God is an observable fact, observable by man. And there are a lot of people who assert a belief strongly, largely, and for profit in many circumstances without the commensurate research into the structures of the universe, the definition of what God is, the concept of God from a theological perspective. I prefer what Michael Knowles describes it as the logos of the universe, a higher power. The problem is most people that I have debated on the issue, and this is not all atheists because I've not debated all atheists, think that God represents a man in the sky or some human-like entity, which is, again, lower-ordered thinking, which is not an insult.

Higher-ordered thinking would be to perceive an E8 lie group, for instance. Let me pull that up, which is also extremely rudimentary in terms of human comprehension of existence. And I'm not going to even try to begin to explain E8 lie groups in mathematics, because I don't know enough about it. I can simply say that, here you go, the ability to comprehend the mathematical structure, how fascinating, connects. We cannot perceive the fourth dimension. We cannot even imagine the fourth dimension. We can create facsimiles using computer-generated images that are in motion, like a tesseract, to try and comprehend the fourth dimension in a mathematical way that becomes

more understandable to our limited mental capacity. So ultimately what it comes down to is, if you are looking for God in a guy in a white robe with a beard who's bald floating in the sky, you do not have the proper comprehension of the concept of a logos of the universe. You are talking about human fairy tales and human stories, and for which I have no disagreements that we can argue all day and night whether humans are fallible or not. They are. And whether the stories come from divine mandate or someone made them up, that's a historical human argument. But if you're if if if the argument is I just think they're fairy tales, bro, physics and math is the quest for God. We are seeking to understand the higher power and order and structure of the universe.

The universe has consciousness. It's an observable fact. How? I think. Therefore, I am. I am a component of the universe the universe contains my consciousness in its mathematical physics and code we exist inside if your consciousness is the consciousness of the universe the universe is conscious that we are we are part of it we exist within its confines i also think it stands to reason when you look at just basic math negative entropy etc versus um like ectropy versus entropy, life has observable degrees of consciousness, and human consciousness will not be the end of that, which means it's an absurdity to assume that human consciousness is the supreme consciousness

that exists in reality. Therefore, the degree to which consciousness could exist beyond our own is probably a one-for-one conclusion or a.99 to one. And then when you look at what we think we know about the universe, and again, all of this is what we think we know because I certainly not have ever done the math to map out what an E8 lie group actually is. Some have – Garrett Lisi was the physicist who proposed this was the theory of everything. And this structure, a multidimensional object, could explain the fundamental forces of the reality, each point representing a fundamental particle, which has yet to be discovered through, you know, things like the Large Hadron Collider, etc. Ultimately, I think when you look at all of these things, to believe that you could comprehend God in any fathomable way when we can't even

imagine a fourth dimensional object, despite the fact that mathematically we know there are more than three dimensions, it's an absurdity. And knowing that there is a higher power to the universe, which is structured and contains within it our limited intelligence, the possibility of higher intelligence is a one-for-one guarantee. God exists. It's based on everything we think we know. Now, the only thing I can concede in this is that science is all wrong. Scientists are a bunch of fucking retards. I'm believing a bunch of bullshit by reading anything about this, and the philosophical conclusions are a bunch of monkeys throwing their shit at the wall. However, considering the fact that I've got a floating UFO in front of me and that we have mapped physics to the degree that we can make a UFO object, we call it UFO,

levitate using electricity and magnets means we have created things because we can map reality. We are successful in replicating certain phenomenon to create our preferred outcomes. If that is true, it means the physics and logic of the universe is observable, is mappable, and is consistent. Assuming that is the case, I will then default to all of this stuff that maps at the universe is likely also correct to the best of our abilities. And the ultimate conclusion is, God is real. Now, I can overly simplify everything, but to actually get it, it would take two hours. And I think we have other callers to get to. Yeah, man, I think we agree on most of things.

But that would put you as a deist, then, good sir, and not an atheist. If you agree with what I said on and I'll make it really simple. Human consciousness exists inside the laws of the universe. Ergo, the universe is conscious. And to a greater degree is very likely than there is a superstructure and greater power beyond it. That's what I was saying. You could be a deist and an atheist because you think these man-made religions are fallacious.

Semantic. I don't think it is because deism and theism are not the same thing. Atheism is colloquially used to describe people who believe there is no God or don't believe in God. But anyway, good caller. Is there anything else you wanted to add? Just two quick things. That super chat from the earlier about Matt Delonte, the atheist, I'd recommend him as well. And then for you, Tim, personally, Vinland Saga. I keep telling you in Supertrats,

great anime about the founding of America and Vikings. Awesome. Right on. Thanks for calling in. Peace out. Thanks. See you, ma'am. Thank you.

Next up, we have Endel. Hello, good sir. Hey, everybody. How's it going? Fucking sorry, dude. I'm swirling in my brain right now. It's awesome. Welcome to the show.

Yeah. I'm here to talk about our one and only, very most favoritist topic of conversation, Kamala Harris. So recently, I believe as recently as today, Kamala released a new ad campaign that focuses on the housing problem. And she says a bunch of wacky stuff mostly blaming the rich the bankers the raising prices arbitrarily

the same old song and dance but part of her plan when she's not stealing Trump's ideas just like every other policy position is that she has this promise that she's going to incentivize people to construct additional housing to right fill that uh the slack and demand she promises to create three million houses over the course of the four years of her presidency oh yeah i got rabbit hole hard on this one. I'd be interested to see what you came up with. So I thought about it, and I'm like, okay,

what is normally the number of houses, right? Oh, my gosh. The one person who asked that question, yes. And the answer is incredible, right? Go ahead. It's funny. No, no, no. I'd like to hear what you have to say.

Well, we build a million and a half houses anyway in this country. So it's like, I'm going to build three million. So what she's at. Less. Yeah, right. She's lowering the expectations for herself. Exactly. Yeah.

Fantastic. Okay. I'm glad I'm not going insane because honestly, I wasn't sure if I would. I was like gaslighting myself, dude. It's crazy. So I thought, okay, maybe she meant 3 million additional housing. So like you take the million and a half and then you've got to add another. And that's per year, right? Yeah.

A million and a half per year over four years means ordinarily we would build 6 million. So if she's saying 3 million, she's basically saying I'm going to slow it down by 50%. So I thought it doesn't make any sense. So maybe she meant it's going to be 9 million, right? So that means you have to add an additional 750,000 homes a year. It's not impossible, but it would mean we would be building at the rate of post-war America in the early 50s. No, no, it's 1.5 million per year extra. If we do 1.5 million a year and she wants to do three and she means three per year, she's—

No, no, no. Three overall over four years. So I guess three divided by four. Oh, right, right. Yeah. So I think, right. So you're correct. Yes.

So it ends up being 2.25 million a year. But basically, it's a pace of home building like from the Leave It to Beaver era where there was nothing outside these cities and they just put up the suburbs, you know, post war boom. Nevada is mostly Bureau of Land Management. Yeah. We can build houses in the desert. We've got arable lands.

Mud huts. We could use 3D printed houses. You can 3D print them out of graphene. You can do it out of mud. Yeah, it's called Alaska. We've got old houses that are in cities that already exist and don't exist anymore because we have no industry there. Like, why can't we revitalize small towns in America?

Restore them? Like Gary, Indiana. Some of the houses got nasty shit in them, but I like that idea if you can, cheaply. But making new, lightweight, durable homes would be super cool if you 3D print them quickly. I want to know what the caller concluded after the rabbit hole. Where did you get to with all this? Oh my God, the more you keep looking into it, the worse it gets. I got into the Census Bureau, since apparently they're

the ones that track construction too. Part of the real problem, the root of the problem is that Kamala is not specific at all. Right. So it's very hard to understand what she's talking about, right? Like you said, is it three million additional houses? Is it three million single family dwellings? Right. She says units or something? She doesn't actually say homes. Exactly. Housing units like rentals or apartments. They're going to be four by four cubes underground. Because if she is talking about the latter, which listening

to insufferable talking heads discussing with campaign surrogates and whatnot it does seem like they mean just uh residential units period and that number is much bigger so i don't know what she's promising beyond nothing right you can't figure it out i'm just hoping that it doesn't really mean enough for anyone to take it specifically seriously it's kind of like when she was border czar like it meant one thing at the time and now it means another thing like only just for these three countries now. It's fungible. And they make those promises that way on purpose. Yeah, I was going to say, the $3 million is vague by design because she doesn't want to have to answer for anything. And frankly, I don't think anyone, I think when they prepped her for any of this, they're like, just say $3 million. We can figure out the details later.

So my own punchline to that story was, okay, well, are they good at building anything? So they only built eight electric vehicle charging stations after promising to build 500,000. They still have another six years, I guess, in which they could finish 500,000 or whatever. But the other thing is that Gavin Newsom, her home state governor, promised, I think it was 1,200 tiny homes for the homeless, like he was going to build. And not one of them has been built, like not one. And it's not even hard to do, right? Those are like the 3D. You could do that with a 3D printer, right? You just got to find the space to put them in.

Only Sacramento is starting construction. I think they're going to put 150 of them in. But like that promise is like two or three years old already. They couldn't build 1,200 tiny homes. So again, when Democrats build stuff, the last thing they want to do is actually finish the project. The first thing is always make sure the government agencies get the work in that they need to get the work in so they can claim a budget for the next fiscal year,

and then get the interest groups paid, and then get the contractors who donated to the Democratic Party, and then maybe the project has enough money to go forward. And it never does. And then come back and ask for more. That's how it works. Do you have any other observations you want to add? I just I'll leave it with I think we actually could get three million additional houses per year. If Trump starts building the Freedom Cities, like he's discussed, and put somebody actually competent in charge of like organizing that project

it's really only a question of cost of materials and Permitting ability to build somewhere. Yeah, so they're trying to frame this as a dunk on Trump like oh, he's out They're just talking about immigration. How is that gonna lower housing prices? Huh? He's so stupid and oh my god I can't stand it, But thank you guys very much. I'm glad that people are on top of this issue and it just caught me by surprise. Right on. Yeah. Alright, thanks for calling in.

I would like to shout out the Discord. People have been saying oh hey, since you're on the call-in can you shout out this thing? I'm not really a big fan of shouting out things that I don't specifically know what they are, but check out the Discord, man. There's people doing interesting stuff all over the place. Musicians, writers, people doing shows. It's really great.

Right on. Thanks for calling in. Thanks, guys. Thanks, dude. Thank you. Next up, we got Krondors. Hey, good evening, everyone. How are you?

Yo. Pretty good. So this question is to the panel. So do you think that the West intentionally pushed the BRICS nations into creating or going towards a blockchain-based currency as a way of trying to convince our own people that we need to have our own centralized digital currency to keep up with them but then eventually sabotaging the brics nations to bring them back into the like one global digital currency i mean that's that's a big story so i don't know but uh bitcoin was made by the cia satoshi nakamoto means central intelligence agency you didn't know that no what do you mean let me pull it up for you uh let's see cia made

bitcoin tim i'm kidding by the way i'm actually i'm actually i'm only half kidding only half joking very easily been co-opted by the cia what does satoshi mean in japanese it means wise or intelligent what does nakamoto mean it means center and moto means base or origin. So Nakamoto can mean central origin or root of the center. So Satoshi Nakamoto, and the name would actually be stated as Nakamoto Satoshi, would be central origin of intelligence. Oh my goodness. That is wild. Wow. Remember when they thought they found the guy and they went to this poor guy's house?

Yeah. Yep. Some just Asian dude and he was like, what are you doing? So I don't know about tricking Bricks into doing anything. I think the U.S. is fucked. Do you have a theory on Bricks? Well, excuse me. A lot of people know a lot more about this than I do.

But I have a funny attitude toward it because the S is for South Africa, and there's no sense in which South Africa is a financial player at all. So you've kind of got these large economies, massive, you know, China and India. Brazil, okay, I guess it's the biggest in South America. South Africa, the biggest in Africa. But South Africa's economy has been in a downward spiral for 20 years. That's always the weird part to me. And then Russia, like what does Russia do?

Russia is like a, it's not even a player. So I don't know. It's really just China and India and friends. It's not really, I don't know. There's something weird about it I've never quite been able to articulate, but that's the part that I find strange. It's hard for me to look at it as a threat

when it's including these other countries that are just dysfunctional like they're worse than we are like we're not doing great but they're doing much worse dude i'm still processing that satoshi nakamoto means centralized intelligence let's work back to the caller is there anything you want to add or anything you want to shout out fuck well my my, my whole thought was, you know, they were constantly trying to hear about a centralized currency being on the horizon to, you know, you know, for whatever reason, whatever the pros and cons are, whatever, primarily the pros. But I thought about the BRICS nations being just like a roundabout way of them trying to get us on board by saying,

hey, why aren't we on, why don't we have a digital currency? All this new currency is all out there and it's the rage. And touting how some of the other third world nations are using Bitcoin already, so why aren't we doing it? Because when people hear about something new, they think it's better for some reason. That natural tendency for people to think that something new is going to improve their lives. But realistically, they don't really know until it happens. It could happen that way. I mean, whether by design or by accident, it could happen that way.

Like eventually, that'll be part of the push for a digital central currency. To compete with Bitcoin? That's the question? No, to compete with whatever BRIC the question no to compete with uh whatever bricks comes up with like if the bricks nations decide to go you know leave the dollar completely and oh i just read an article that 138 countries are looking at leaving the dollar now i think i posted that in the our discord 126 126 nations meet to discuss ditching the U.S. dollar. This is from Watcher.Guru. From Jackson Gaines.

They'll be attending, 126 nations will be attending a BRICS municipal conference, all showing interest in joining the bloc and ditching the U.S. dollar. It's the end. The end of the world as we know it. Well, for America, at least. Yeah. Expect your goods to get very expensive. Yeah, that's why we got to do energy

when we literally, like, change our fucking fuel source. Otherwise... Everything will be made in America, though. The end of the petrodollar means it'll get shitty for a while, but the U.S. economy will have to regrow itself. There's going to be weird shortages. Vitamin C will be gone. We make it in China.

Yeah. Is there anything else you wanted to add, good Sir Crondors? No, no, that's all. Well, one thing, Ian, I don't suppose you would mind dressing up as a raiden for Halloween, you know, as far as controlling the weather and lightning? Speaking of, the storm dissipated. It sounds nice out there. No, I haven't checked. When we got the bars, they're soaked. I could stick my finger through the cardboard. It's so wet. But is it, there's no rain now? No, it's raining. I couldn't tell. When we got the bars, they're soaked. I could stick my finger through the cardboard. It's so wet. But is it? There's no rain now? No, it's raining.

I couldn't tell. I gave up on trying to control the weather because it's exhausting. It requires a lot of focus. And I was trying to do a show and listen to what was going on. You made this declaration, like, what? Last week? You already gave up? I told you guys.

It is indeed still raining. Well, what do you mean? I told you I could do it last week. Oh, but you're not trying to control it today. I've been doing it since 2012. Well, I was for about 10 minutes on the show while Trump was talking to Tulsi, and then I was like, oh, my God, I want to focus on the show. Well, why don't you make it stop raining? It's been raining?

Yeah. There's a couple reasons. One, I like the immediate feedback of looking at the clouds. It's indoors. I don't see the feedback, so I can't tell if it's working or not. Well, it always works, but it's like, and also, I'd be sitting here in silence with my eyes closed all right what kind of show is all right crown doors thanks for calling in but no i'm not gonna dress up as raiden but that's a cool

interest thank you have a good evening see you man all right and last up we have shadow box designs designer singular what's up it is not uh plural it is singular. That's right. I just want to quickly address two of the things you guys said about religion. First of all, in Genesis, when it's talking about Lot and his daughters, there are some translations that do believe that the daughters actually offered themselves up as a substitute because they knew that they were guests, and there was a certain aspect of it in that regard. And then also something Ian said that I think is interesting and should be pointed out about the devil specifically, he did say that the devil and the people that rebelled against God were sent to hell. It's important to remember that hell isn't made for us. It was actually made for the devil and his followers. And anybody who gets sent there, it's actually not, God didn't make hell to punish us. He made it to punish the devil. So a lot of times you'll hear people,

you know, call God cruel and for sending people to hell. But in reality, it's like, he doesn't want you to go there. It's not where he wants you. And if you're a traitor or disloyal, you will be in the lowest level where the devil will chew on you and you will be— Cannibalism. They would send people to hell. No, no. The lowest level of hell is you are in the mouth of the devil as he chews on you for eternity. There's probably cannibals.

Well, that's informed by Dante's Inferno. I know, I know. Not by actual theology. I know. Of course. When they went in the war in heaven, Michael and the archangels led the conquest of all these dukes and kings that are now known as the demons, you know, Baal and all these guys. And then they burned the entire landscape, scorched earth. And then they said probably they would send people there and be like, you're ostracized.

You broke the law. You're out. And they would deport them to hell. And once they got there, there'd be roving bands of cannibals and shit like that. Everybody knows what really happened was eight foot tall,

blue and green skinned aliens created humans. And the proof is in the Jins and the Genies and in Quessacotal. And because these similar creatures exist in many different human mythologies, despite being from various different regions.

And so these aliens created humans and then tried explaining them in a rudimentary way because these are primitive humans with no real knowledge, the structure and everything. And then Lucifer was actually just a second-in-command to the great aliens, and there was a fight. And when he was cast down to hell, it was actually just Central central america anyway you're saying it's central america's like hell so to somebody who lives in a space that's what i'm hearing somebody who lives in a spaceship with advanced medical technology virtual reality video games center of the jungle and then you get kicked out and dropped in the middle of the jungle yeah they sent you to hell especially if it's burnt out like if they burn

the landscape and then they send you there that's like and so he's surrounded by fire and then he he you know quesacodal goes and he gets a bunch of people and he's like here's how you farm dude what's up with the blue skin people there's mythology throughout from a bunch of different cultures of eight foot tall blue and green skinned people interesting yeah and the funny thing is about gins and genies think about the actual function of granting a wish in reality. If I said to you, Ian, as myself, Ian, tell me what you wish for and I will grant it to you. What would you ask for? Right now?

Yeah. A teleporter? That's not real. Oh, a real thing that I could have? What are you asking me to give you right now? Tell me what your wish is and I will grant it for you. A chauffeur. A chauffeur, great.

I will make the phone call and I will grant it for you. A chauffeur. A chauffeur, great. I will make the phone call and I will get you a car and a chauffeur. That turns into, over thousands of years, a woman in a bottle going, and turning a guy into a horse. Yep.

So the idea was, because he would just get her a horse. Yeah. Jins and the genies were these large alien creatures with advanced technology and the cave-dwelling human would say, I want a powerful sword that I can use to strike my enemies.

And they'd be like, easy. And then they would click a button and then the 3D printer would go, and make it in front of them. And they'd go, it's magic. He created it from nothing. And he's like, it's a 3D printer, dude. Anyway, did you have a question?

I did have a question. So let's question for the panel. We often see in modern politics an extreme focus on the revolutionaries and extremists in the political spectrum. This has increasingly led to those extremists reaching places of power, such as Congress. The question arises, though, are those new extremists actually effective at making change? Or are traditional politicians more effective because of their propensity to have incremental change. I think the, the radical lunatics drive shitless to change.

Democrats are scared of them. That's why they did the wishy washy Israel thing in, in, in, uh, what was it? Uh, Kamala,

uh, was it, uh, when Kamala was speaking at the DNC, she was like Israel and Palestine. And it's like give the sound bites to both sides because she doesn't want to piss off the lunatics who are going to burn the place down. The rank and file loser politicians get nothing done. They're worthless.

I think it's probably a mix. I mean, remember AOC's rise to power as this sort of outsider progressive. She's going to be super cool. But for the most part, I feel like she functions, you know, like any other now seasoned member of Congress. And if you read the reports about Nancy Pelosi, who has denied this at all costs, but, you know, these conversations after Biden's disastrous performance on the debate, and then you would get these like Democrats are now talking. And, you know, there's this idea that she talked to Biden about his but didn't pressure him about leaving. I mean, I think that there is a mix of the influence of like a seasoned, established,

old school politician who has influence, whereas extremists or radicals or people who are sort of rising to the ranks of the party can gain popular momentum. But I feel like a lot of time once they become part of the system, maybe they get one or two extreme things done. Maybe they generally shift more towards whatever extreme end of the ideology. But you don't see the fire. I mean, the most radical politician I can think of right now is, oh my gosh, I'm actually forgetting his name, but he's a state congressman in Tennessee. And after the Covenant School shooting, he's one of the people who led a protest on the floor and was ultimately expelled from Congress. I'll look up his name in a second, but he already was basically known as a community organizer. And he had been previously barred from setting foot on the Tennessee Capitol because he had thrown a cup

of hot coffee on a politician. And when he got elected to state Congress, they had to repeal his ban. And ultimately, he got expelled and then essentially just put back in. So he is extreme. He does dramatic things. I can't tell you one policy that he's actually accomplished, if that makes sense. So a little bit of both, but also depending on who it is, they could both be ineffective. Trying to find out the guy's name.

I'll pull it. I used to write about him all the time because I was just like, what a time you know is it Hakeem Jeffries it's not Hakeem is it the guy who pulled the fire alarm no I'm talking about Tennessee

state level government it was when they ride it in the Tennessee capital yeah I remember that day yeah but yeah that answers my question I appreciate you guys taking the call um as always uh gotta shout out watchman clothing co um i am to tim's uh not chagrin whatever the opposite of that is to his joy i am running pre-orders for the sell your cloak shirts oh so if anybody wants

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I just noticed that these protein bars say Time Pool on them. Oh, no. That's funny. These are just prototype bars in great silver packages. So we should have the other ones, too. Chocolate, chocolate chip, and salty and sweet, which is the peanut butter one. They should arrive or they're here? I think they're probably downstairs. I just grabbed these from

when they were coming in. What's the BIA? What's that mean? That's just the company that does the sampling. Joel, thanks for hanging out, man. It's been a blast. It's been incredible. Tomorrow's going to be wild. It's going to be a cacophony of lunacy and I don't know, man. It might be one of those

shows where it only makes sense if you're in an altered state of mind. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'll get there. Tomorrow morning, 10 a.m., YouTube.com. Search Tenant Media on YouTube is the easiest way to find it. 10 a.m. we'll be live talking with a simulation theorist. That's going to be epic.

So I've read a lot about simulism and this belief that the universe is actually a video game. And they say, look at modern video games. And what is it? Everything's made of polygons. Our universe is made of particles. And so they look at how the rendering effects of modern video games versus the Heisenberg uncertainty principle. But we'll talk about this tomorrow morning. Thanks for hanging out.

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