Timcast IRL - Leftist Anti ICE Just OPENED FIRE On ICE Agents In California At LA Riots w/ Nick Sortor

Episode Date: July 11, 2025

Tim, Phil, & Ian are joined by Nick Sortor to discuss the Trump DOJ dropping the criminal probe into Prince Andrew over Epstein ties, an Anti ICE rioter opening fire on ICE agents, a FBI manhunt under...way for an armed antifa member involved in ambush against ICE, and a judge blocking Trump's changes to birthright citizenship in new class action suit.   Hosts:  Tim @Timcast (everywhere) Phil @PhilThatRemains (X) Ian @IanCrossland (everywhere) Serge @SergeDotCom (everywhere) Guest: Nick Sortor @nicksortor (X)

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Starting point is 00:00:00 The Trump DOJ has officially ended the probe into Prince Andrew over his ties to Jeffrey Epstein, meaning he's now free to travel, he's off the hook, and what? He's literally in a photo with Elaine Maxwell and Virginia Dufray, but alright, I guess. And here's the crazy thing about it. Virginia Dufray reportedly took her own life. And shortly before she did, she was in the hospital appearing to have been, you know, seriously battered, which they claimed was a car accident. And then the car accident she got into, the bus driver was like, what? I tapped her tail. She never got in a car accident. And then the car accident she got into, the bus driver was like, what?
Starting point is 00:00:45 I tapped her tail, she never got in a car accident. And then she posted in the hospital saying, please, I just need to like see my kids one more time. And it's like, huh? And then she took her own life. The whole thing makes literally no sense. But right now the theory online from many, many people is that there's puppet strings Trump is not in
Starting point is 00:01:05 control and several prominent Trump's reporters are saying this maybe maybe not but the Prince Andrew thing is hilarious so here's a picture of him with Ghislaine Maxwell he went on the island here's an underage woman who accused him and said he did it and they're like nah he I okay okay I guess so we'll talk about that we got a bunch of other really big stories. We've got the State Department's gonna be laying off a massive reduction. I believe it's around 1,800 staff members.
Starting point is 00:01:34 A district court judge in New Hampshire has said that Donald Trump cannot block birthright citizenship, establishing a class that is infants of undocumented parents. So we'll talk about that and don't forget we went and saw Superman today. I would say the movie is good and it was not woke. I'll give you my thoughts on it. I don't think there was anything overtly political in it. And actually in some ways I think you could argue it was anti-woke.
Starting point is 00:02:00 So all in all I thought the movie was actually pretty good. Though James Gunn certainly has a chip on his shoulder about getting cancelled because of Mean Tweets on X or people pulling up his tweets which were inappropriate jokes. And there's a scene in the movie which really hurt the film but it seems like James Gunn wanted to make fun of Mike Cernovich I guess. So we'll talk about that and more before we get started we've got a great sponsor. It is ShopBeam.com. This stuff is going to help fall asleep, my friends.
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Starting point is 00:04:31 It's a live taping of the Culture War podcast. I will be there. Alex Stein will be there. We got a couple of guests that we're just, we're confirming right now. It should be a big show. And we want to come, we want to hang out with you. Now if you want to come up on stage and debate, you got to get tickets now while you still can because we're actually going to bring up people from the audience onto the show
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Starting point is 00:06:11 Here's a story from the New York Post. Prince Andrew free to travel abroad as FBI ends probe into Royals Jeffrey Epstein link. Wow. I wonder if there was any evidence that he was involved with Epstein and Maxwell and they were victims. Could it be perhaps the statements from the victim and the picture of him with the victim and they're letting him just go? I'm pretty sure that the powers that be are not going to appreciate us constantly staying
Starting point is 00:06:41 on this story and I would not be surprised if we face a massive censorship from the algorithm over it and smear campaigns, because they'd certainly appreciate if we talked about something else. You can see how flustered they're getting. But yo, check this out. It's the news. Prince Andrew can finally end his self-imposed travel ban after a leaked memo revealed that the FBI is closing its investigation into the royal's Epstein links. The disgraced Duke of York, 65, has left the UK once in the last six years over fears of an arrest, civil lawsuits are being subpoenaed. Now it appears as though the scandal-scarred Prince, who has been kept at Arms Lake from
Starting point is 00:07:15 the Royal Fold, is able to venture out of the UK without fear of repercussions. He has been abroad once since the scandal erupted, a source told The Sun. He has always been very nervous about going abroad and felt he'd always be looking over his shoulder as he could be subject to civil action or, or worst, being arrested. Hopefully with this out of the way, it means that he can at least leave the country. What's he supposed to do with the rest of his life? He hasn't been convicted of any crime and can't sit down, sit around doing nothing at Royal Lodge forever.
Starting point is 00:07:44 I suppose the big question is, is the US going to issue an arrest warrant for him and then demand the UK extradite him? Not any more. Or not extradite him. Well, I guess, yeah, I was going to say, I guess not anymore. I mean, they did try, they had to work with the UK authorities before to actually be able to interview him. And then all of a sudden they just decided in 2024, okay, well, we're not even going to go down that road
Starting point is 00:08:07 anymore. We're not even going to try to interview Prince Andrew. But there are so many other things that a lot of people don't know. They don't realize that he lied about the amount of time that he said that he spent with Jeffrey Epstein. It turns out that it was about 10 times as much time as he said that he spent with Prince Andrew or with Jeffrey Epstein. And also the fact that there were text messages between the two of them saying, okay, can't
Starting point is 00:08:31 wait to play again soon. You know, we'll play more soon. I mean, just the weird stuff like this. If you're not going to give any sort of answers as to why you would drop the investigation into the Epstein case in general, at least give us some answers as to why you would drop the investigation into the Epstein case in general. At least give us some answers as to why you're gonna let this creep walk free and not even try to, you know, even if the UK police
Starting point is 00:08:52 or whatever don't take him into custody, at least show us that he is a pedophile and the court of public opinion will convict him. Well, they have said that the administration is alluding to the possibility of more information coming out, right? I've seen at least some reports on that judicial watch but our report saying that they're still reviewing Epstein files So I mean if that could you know produce some kind of answers
Starting point is 00:09:14 I'm sure that it's not gonna be enough but I mean You guys remember when you know Three months ago Virginia Jouff, the alleged victim of Andrew, killed herself? Allegedly, right? Yeah, I remember. And how weird it was where like a week before that or whatever, she was in the hospital, all bruised and battered saying, I'm in the hospital dying from a car accident, my kidneys
Starting point is 00:09:40 are failing, I just want to see my kids one last time. And everybody was kind of like, is she just begging the deep state not to murder her until she sees her kids? I think Epstein, I don't know why I think this. He said he, that someone tried to poison him while he was in prison. Do you guys remember that at all? I don't know. But let me just say now that there's no principle witness against Prince Andrew. Right.
Starting point is 00:10:00 Look at this. The probe is gone. Epstein's brother was interviewed by Piers Morgan. I don't know if you guys saw that. He said he thinks that Trump was, is heavily involved with Epstein and it appears like there's no evidence of that He's like well if I if it were true, I wouldn't be surprised. Dershowitz was saying I didn't see that Dershowitz was saying that he had he was we've willing to keep that you're talking about that We got it. Okay, so we'll talk about that later. We'll pull up that video. Okay So it's like there's two levels of, like you were saying, censorship now is a story trying to,
Starting point is 00:10:27 not only is it this level of the people that run the world, the 12 families, the bloodlines that are in control of the monetary system, the liberal economic order, whoever they are, there's that level of people playing with Jeffrey Epstein. Then there's the American government, which doesn't have to take the bullet for this one. It's not the American government's responsibility
Starting point is 00:10:44 to take the heat for Epstein. It's not the American government's responsibility to take the heat for Epstein. Epstein was a global consortium, this whole thing. The U.S. government, I don't blame them for not wanting to bear the brunt of this, but at the same time, Cash looked like, or Dan Bongino looked like he was in a hostage situation. I literally, I think that they came when people think that these people are like video game villains or movie villains that aren't real, but I think he was approached and they're like, if you tell people what is going on, we're going to kill your family and not not just your media family, your entire bloodline. And we're going to choose when they die. And we're going to choose how over and it's going to this is a call a blood vendetta.
Starting point is 00:11:18 It doesn't ever go away. Your family lineage will be wiped out. And if you tell anyone that we told you this, your family lineage will be wiped out. I don't think that happened, but. I don't know, but I'm just like, I'm done acting like they exist and being in cognitive dissonance. I mean, so there's two principal probabilities
Starting point is 00:11:38 based on what we know. And that is Trump went in and said, ha ha, Prince Andrew, what a great standup guy. Let's get him off the hook and all my Epstein buddies, hoo hoo, or he said, oh crap, they've got me by the balls and I have no choice. Which one is it? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:11:55 I don't have any sense as to whether or not they're telling the truth. I know that everything looks suspicious as hell and that's why I'm hoping for more answers when the if I'm hoping they'll release more information and hopefully there are some answers there. But just because I don't know doesn't mean that I think that you know Cash and and Dan Bongino are now a part of the conspiracy. Right the Maxwell thing I'm gonna call it the Maxwell files. We everyone plays with Jeffrey Epstein he was one of her guys. It's the Maxwell, her dad Robert Epps, Robert Maxwell like they are the ones at the center of this and
Starting point is 00:12:29 They're a blackmail operation. So it doesn't surprise me that cash and Dan were blackmailed Like that's what they do that Trump is being blackmailed. That's that's very likely or I shouldn't say it's very likely it is Probabilistic in that it is a blackmail ring that they're trying to break and now they're being blackmailed that wouldn't surprise me well I mean it's possible, but I don't think that there's actual evidence of it No, I don't think there's any not that I've ever seen you know you know people look at this And they'll say oh well your your theory is totally wild. It's totally it's so far out there But what breeds that is the fact that you know we all feel like and rightfully so that we're being totally lied to you know It's a it's probably the most brazen lie
Starting point is 00:13:06 I feel like I've heard out of this administration so far. And I hate to say that. You know, we got to the point where, you know, when was Bondi lying? Was it when she was on Fox News 15 times, or is it now? You know, it's one or the other. It doesn't go, well, you can't say you have all these files on your desk, you have all these videos, all this information, and and this binder is only phase one and we're gonna release so much more and then
Starting point is 00:13:29 Say oh well poof no it doesn't exist none of it exists And this issue is not going away as much as they they think that this is just another piece of news Where it's just going to people are gonna forget about it and move on I'm telling you if they don't Explain themselves, and they're not transparent about this process What made them close the case what made them decide? They're not going to release any information This is going to this is going to be a stain on the administration if they don't act on it last night the conversation was like came up that if it were revealed and it Completely destroyed the world order like the Saudi princes the the Russian magnets all the Chinese bureaucrats, all the people that were involved in this somehow turn on the
Starting point is 00:14:08 people that released the data, the American government, and then they blacklist, they stop working with them, just fucks up the entire order. Would you be the one to pull the trigger? Would you release the files? If there was not only, it's not going to, like, what would it solve? We're talking about child rapists because the fact that none of these people are being held accountable is the reason that they're going to continue.
Starting point is 00:14:28 This stuff is still happening. It's still happening. So am I concerned? And it's going to, I think it's going to be enabled more. If you don't do anything about it and there's no consequences. I totally disagree with that. The idea that if you don't hold them accountable,
Starting point is 00:14:39 it will only produce more. Even if you hold them accountable, there will be more. For all of human history, wealthy people, powerful people have taken advantage of children or taken advantage of their positions of power and broken the law. So the idea that this would solve that, no. If it prevents one child from being raped, it's worth doing. It would be justice for the people that actually have broken the prevents one child from being raped, it's worth doing. It would be justice for the people that actually have broken the law, and that's good. That's something that we should go for.
Starting point is 00:15:10 But there are a lot of people that are like, oh, this will fix everything, this will not fix anything. There will just be a new crop of people doing disgusting things. That's what I was thinking is if you remove the people, the positions that are still there functioning, and if you put new people into those positions, that behavior-
Starting point is 00:15:24 Yes, but we're talking about a CEO, okay? If there's a CEO of a company and he gets fired, you put a new CEO in, he's gonna be functionally doing the same thing. But if there is a, CEO is a pedophile and you remove him and you put a new, a CEO there who's not a pedophile, then you've gotten rid of the pedophile. It's like their whole families.
Starting point is 00:15:41 It's these families. And I don't, you can't, how are you gonna? You just like get the, all the people in the family are bad? I think that you should probably have evidence for holding people accountable. Surge before the show, like what would you do if you were born into one of the richest families on earth and had everything ever?
Starting point is 00:15:56 You just do what your family did. And so that's what's happening. If you remove the perpetrator and a new person gets, the family's still there. and I'm not suggesting to try and take over family or get rid of families because that's you know that tit for tat you know I don't want my family obliterated. I think the issue is that evil is easy and it always has been. Yeah. It is it is easier to succeed as an evil person than as a good person. And humans are animals man and people will take advantage of that. The mammal you know they'll they'll person than as a good person. And humans are animals, man, and people will take advantage of that.
Starting point is 00:16:25 The mammal, you know, they'll use you as a slave if they can. I just want to be clear here. So the argument here is taking down the pedophile ring will not stop people from feeling enabled to do this, these rich, powerful elites. So you don't think any of them would be deterred. You don't think it enables them. If they're not held accountable, nobody's held accountable, and they know that, you don't think any of them would be deterred if they were, you don't think it enables it. If they, if they're not held accountable, nobody's held accountable and they know that you don't think that though it would. And it probably did the like Prince
Starting point is 00:16:52 Andrew didn't leave the country. He was terrified. So yes, arresting them will in will will inhibit these people. One issue people, but it won't inhibit the people that come after them or other rich people. The point that I'm making I disagree Yeah, that's that's no I know the point that I'm making is rich people powerful people have always felt that they're above the law and they've always done things That are outside of the law. So yes, these people should the people that have broken the law. We should punish them I think that they should release all the information like if there are people that have that have violated children They should be prosecuted,
Starting point is 00:17:25 go to jail, whatever the maximum punishment for the law is. Yes, but to say that doing this will fix a problem, no, no, that's trying to fix the human condition. There will always be evil people. You give people money and you give them access to power and stuff. Do you think there are more, there is more or less murder when we arrest people for murder? I think that the people that commit murder don't think that they're going to get caught or don't care.
Starting point is 00:17:50 The vast majority- So is there more or less murder when we enforce against murder? I think there's probably the same amount. I don't think that there's more or less. So there's no point in enforcing against murder because- No, you punish people for murder. The reason that you have laws against them
Starting point is 00:18:05 is so that you punish the people that do. I don't believe that it's a deterrent though. I genuinely don't. I think the law is a deterrent. It can function as it is for me. For normal people, but you're not a person that would commit murder. If it was legal and I was encouraged to my whole life,
Starting point is 00:18:18 I might be a murderer. Like if it was supposed to and you were raised that way. I think that people that would commit murder will commit murder regardless of the law. I don't think that law is deterred because people break the law all the time. I break the law when I speed, right? People break the law all the time.
Starting point is 00:18:35 So your level of comfort with breaking the law is what actually matters. If you are the kind of person that's impulsive and you're like, I don't care, I'm gonna go do this. The law doesn't stop people from murdering people. People still murder. I'm pretty sure there would be a substantially greater amount of murder, particularly coming from the left as a good example, if they thought there would be no enforcement action against them.
Starting point is 00:18:55 I'm not so convinced. I honestly don't think that stealing is another one. I'm pretty sure the Antifa guys who lured those cops out and shot them in the neck would have just been much more overt about it and walked up to the building in a line with with rifles Blasting into the bill because the reason that they didn't do that isn't because of the law It's because of the guys with guns They were literally going after other dudes with guns the good deterrent is people that are gonna shoot back not the law There's the
Starting point is 00:19:23 So the issue is you have the authority to not the law. There's the California... But, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but,
Starting point is 00:19:32 but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but people that advocate for killing cops, but that don't do it. They're not the kind of people that generally are murderers. The people look, if you have someone break into your house and you're in a state that's not a stand your ground state, most people are not going to say, F you, I'm going to shoot you even to save their own lives. They're going to try and get out of there because they're afraid of killing people, not because they're afraid of what's going to happen. Why is that gang bangers in Chicago have other people commit murders for them? Well, I mean, there's a lot of reasons for that, right? Because they put people in a position
Starting point is 00:20:10 so that way they break the law, so they go into the system, so they're committed to the gang, stuff like that. Yes, but you know the real reason. There is one reason why adult gang bangers in Chicago get kids to commit murders. Part of it is because they want the shorter sentences and stuff like that. why adult gang bangers in Chicago get kids to commit murders. Part of it is because they want the shorter sentences and stuff like that.
Starting point is 00:20:28 The number one reason, the first and only reason, the first and only reason is they literally will tell the 15 year old, you'll get locked up for three years, I'll get locked up for 20. You go do it. So the law clearly is a deterrent in that regard. I think it is also in... I think the people that are actually willing to go and commit murder, the law clearly is a deterrent that way. I think it is also in that are that are that are actually willing to go and commit murder The laws a thing about it is not a theft in California
Starting point is 00:20:49 They made the theft illegal or legal up to a thousand dollars And there's so much more theft if it was loaded if the law was preventing that was making people not not do it So I think it's like the law is basically saying like hey if you do this I'll hit you and so people are like I don't want to hit man right a force literally force I think force the police force I think when it comes to violence and stuff like that, I don't think that when it comes to murder and stuff, I don't I think the people that will will commit murder are the kind of
Starting point is 00:21:13 people that will commit murder and I don't think that they're I think both directions of this argument are valid because there are people that will commit acts regardless of the law and especially people that feel like they're above the law or people that are so psychotic, they don't even care about the law. There is those maybe that's both the people at the top end of the people at the bottom of the bell. especially people that feel like they're above the law or people that are so psychotic they don't even care about the law. There is those, maybe that's both the people at the top end of the people at the bottom of the bell curve. So they're quite literally gangs in Chicago that will publicly state the law is a deterrent. They'll be like, no, we can't do that because we'll get
Starting point is 00:21:33 locked up and we can't get locked up right now. You know what concerns me though, because you were saying if this could even save one kid breaking up this pedophile ring or breaking up this this cabal, but what what could happen is it disrupts order so drastically that we have another Libya appear and child trafficking Circumstances where that happens though the US dollar fails because the banks give up on the liberal economic order because they betrayed them Off of jailing pedophiles yeah the Swiss banks that are involved in this stuff will be like, alright, fuck these people this liberal economic order We're going to China. We're going to Russia They're dead to us now and so is Germany or wherever they're importing their their masses into yeah, I don't think a system like that should deserve it should be allowed to exist
Starting point is 00:22:21 It's impossible to stop it, dude. The viciousness of humanity is the top. So is your argument that we should not try to stop evil from happening? Sometimes trying to stop evil will create more harm if you did nothing sometimes. Is it that there is evil that is so powerful? We are best left to just do nothing. Yes.
Starting point is 00:22:48 All right, I'll see you later. I think there are some, what you would call evil, there are some aspects of humanity that are just unstoppable. This is the first time I'm hearing this argument about the Epstein project. I just realized Ian was wrong, I'm back. Oh hey.
Starting point is 00:23:03 I don't know if it's good or evil, but there's viciousness and destructive oh shit ladies and gentlemen we've been tracking this this riot that's been going on and we've got breaking news breaking news it looks like holy holy crap from breaking 9-1-1 left-wing terrorists appears to open fire on ICE agents during a raid at a farm in Southern California so it appears as a video. I'm going to have to actually watch this first. Do you want to? We'll switch the...
Starting point is 00:23:31 Because we're doing this live. I just saw it. I just put it up. This video right here, it appears a protester... Oh, yeah, he's unloading. Okay, we can show this. There's nothing graphic. I just didn't want to see a cop getting shot course, I want to put a cop getting shot on 10 minutes ago. I've seen the story So so we're zoomed in right here. Check it out. You can see him. Take a look at he pulls his gun And and he's unloaded fired some kind of gun at federal agents this afternoon
Starting point is 00:23:57 He was aiming high. Oh, yeah I'm surprised he didn't spray down his buddies Here's a protester fired to hit anybody. I like that note. Whoa. This is going to be the norm. Yeah, it's going to happen all summer. You guys mentioned last night about if the police stomp down on this,
Starting point is 00:24:18 like come hard, that it would make it worse. But I don't agree with that. I think it would shut it down. I think if the police come with an iron fist this stops yeah yeah they yeah you put the people that would do this kind of stuff you wrap all of those people up and you put them in jail also you gotta find where the funding is coming from because when they did that in California those LA riots stopped they went after the funding in like two days later it
Starting point is 00:24:41 was done at what point now you guys seem to be more libertarian leading than anybody but at what point do we just seem to be more libertarian leading than anybody But at what point do we just say you know what screw this we're done. We're getting the military involved Oh, I think that that should be the case now. Yeah, I feel like we're wasting time here We've got three and a half more years We need if we want to hit these deportation numbers We need the military involved and they'll put a stop to this these people people aren't going to be, you know, opening fire on Marines as easy as they are ice agents. It's just not going to happen. We weaponize drones, whatever the military wants to bring in.
Starting point is 00:25:12 I mean if they really want to stop, but there'd be a lot of collateral damage. As soon as the military came into Los Angeles, the riots were mostly quelled. Almost overnight. It was incredible. Why not send, I mean we've got the military, bring back the 40,000 troops we have in the Middle East. Put them in California. Put them in Texas. You can activate the National Guard in California and activate the National Guard in Texas, but I don't know about military that's full time.
Starting point is 00:25:34 Let me, we have this story. This is the background. Federal agents clash with protesters during ICE raid at Southern California Farm. And as you can see here, this is just the general video. There's federal agents there who appear to have been carrying out a large scale immigration enforcement. This is about 50 miles northwest of Los Angeles.
Starting point is 00:25:53 And at one point, federal agents were seen throwing smoke canisters towards the protesters, sending the crowd running in the opposite direction. Now, just to orient you again, about 50 miles northwest of LA, this is just outside of Oxnard, California. For those of you familiar, some protesters have seen holding flags, appearing to poke military vehicles that were passing by.
Starting point is 00:26:17 At least one person has been arrested, and another was seen pinned to the ground. We'll continue to bring you updates when we have them. Wow, so again, going back to this this video this was posted 20 minutes ago so you know right after we start the show and once again it looks like because it looks like similar footage they appear these people appear to be running from tear gas. Take a look at this video right here. That dude is shooting a gun. Some kind of gun at federal agents. Wow, it was a really chaotic scene a lot of smoke touching with his bare hands
Starting point is 00:26:49 after he unloaded his gun it appears a protester with that weapon well they have to it looks like he fired at least a couple of times we have not heard about any agents being hurt now he's now so anything like that right I'm telling you that weird angle intending to hit I'm wondering you know it's hard to tell what kind of weapon he actually has some small and grainy I you know look I I'm gonna say I know a lot of people are not gonna want to hear it, but Is there a possibility he's got an airsoft or a BB gun? I don't care you fire a projectile at a point looks like a gun you should be turned into Swiss cheese I'm sorry like no questions asked no I mean so so here's
Starting point is 00:27:28 here's here's the next question these police in these in this video as we can see let me pull up this video again you can see these cops here sending the crap and they've got gas masks tear gas and pepper ball guns at what point do they need to come out with live ammo I mean like do they need to come out with live ammo? I mean, like, do they need to be at least having some guys on the ground with rifles prepared to return fire in the event? We don't know exactly what happened, but this video looks like one of these protesters, terrorists, I guess, just pulled out a handgun and opened fire. And, like, the principle assumption I'm going gonna make is it's a 9 millimeter or something
Starting point is 00:28:05 Yeah, I mean look most of the time there's a guy There's at least a couple guys doing overwatch when they line up like that So they'll be guys like back on like a truck with like DMR designated marksman rifle So there's probably there's definitely dudes with leaf that have lethal force capacity there But the guys on the line, usually they're just with pepper balls and gas masks and stuff. This sounds like the perfect use case to actually start integrating the military into these large scale raids.
Starting point is 00:28:34 Is there anything on the books at this point that's really going to stop the president from fully federalizing the California National Guard? I know Newsom keeps trying to fight it, keeps trying to take back control of the National Guard, but if that doesn't work, then at the end of the day, what is stopping the president from invoking the Insurrection Act and actually using that to help with these ICE raids? So far, as my understanding, when Trump sent the Marines in,
Starting point is 00:29:02 he did not need to invoke the insurrection act Because they were protecting federal property. Mm-hmm. And so they're not enforcing law, right because of something called Posse Comitatus US military can't enforce domestic laws if Trump invokes the insurrection act They can right citing the the reckless like the lawlessness the law is not being enforced locally So we will come in and federally enforce it. I think California and New York especially right now, Trump should be sending in the troops. And what they did when, who was this? Was this, was it John Stewart on Daily Show, whatever? They were heavily criticizing Bannon and Psobic
Starting point is 00:29:40 and others for saying send in the troops, but they twisted what was being said. And then, it might have been Clapper, I don't know if it was John Stewart, but he was like, they are saying to send the troops against us. No, no, no, no, no, no. I think Donald Trump needs to send federal law enforcement and if military if necessary, because they're opening fire, shooting law enforcement, this is now, it's Thursday, in less than one week, we have three instances where leftist terrorists have opened fire
Starting point is 00:30:15 on law enforcement. I want to see, I want to see National Guard, the Marines, or whoever else, protecting these guys and making sure when they carry out their constitutionally sworn duty of enforcing the law as Congress has passed it, that terrorists will not kill them. You guys talked about Kent State. I went to Kent State University. I was there on the hill.
Starting point is 00:30:40 1970, May 4, the National Guard was there. There was a protest against the Vietnam War. And the college kids were throwing rocks at the cops at the National Guard and the National Guard opened fire on the crowd and killed four people and wounded, I don't know, about Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young wrote a song, Ohio, about it, which is very good. So at what point do you return fire on these people? Obviously, they pull a gun and start shooting. You put down the active shooter, I think if someone starts throwing rocks, what if the rock hits a cop in the head and does serious damage? What if a rock kills a
Starting point is 00:31:12 cop? Do you open fire on the guy throwing the rocks? That's the question about if you bring in the military, when do they stop firing? You use it when it comes to people throwing rocks, you should use less than lethal. So if you have like rubber bullets or bean bag rounds from a shotgun, use those because they're less than lethal. They're not going to kill someone.
Starting point is 00:31:29 So shooting, obviously, then the police should defend themselves. People are going to die. Okay. We already had at that no Kings protest, those liberal guys unloaded indiscriminately into the crowd and killed an innocent person. And so that was, they were targeting an Antifa guy, which is weird, but they were trigger happy lunatics who pulled out their guns and started shooting. The police need to be able to stop someone from killing people.
Starting point is 00:31:56 What do we want? No one to die. You can protest, you can block the streets, you get arrested for it, but no one should die or get seriously injured. This guy pulled out a gun and started shooting. How do you stop that from happening? Bean bags, no guarantee. Rubber bullets are no guarantee.
Starting point is 00:32:12 Pepper spray, tear gas, none of these are guarantees. In fact, through all of those, the guy was getting tear gassed as he was shooting. Unfortunately, the reality is, if someone is an active shooter trying to kill police and probably could have killed other bystanders who are protesting You need to neutralize the threat to maximize the saving of lives. That's why they have like I said, that's why they have they have uh, Designated marksmen, but the thing is there's all those people around and the police are just not going to start shooting into the crowd Right, like if even if there's a guy in the crowd, the police are not going to start shooting back into the crowd. Wow.
Starting point is 00:32:47 Because then the chances of hitting someone innocent is way too much and the Trump administration can't afford that. So no matter how much you want the emotional satisfaction of getting the guy that was trying to kill the cops, you can't because you're going to, the bullet takes hits the guy, it goes through him. They don't stop in people, you know, and you're responsible for every round that comes out of the gun. So I'm also thinking about it from the other perspective, which I tend to do of if you were being suppressed by a government and the government was trying to stomp out your protests and you're like, this is our
Starting point is 00:33:24 land, get out of our territory as the citizens of California might be feeling maybe occupied. Like the desire to fight back doesn't stop. ABC's picked the story up. I mean, this is this is it. This is confirmed. ABC eyewitness news. Our protesters seen firing some kind of weapon at federal agents. You know, many of us believed, I falsely believed, I think many of us believed that during the 2020 riots, these liberals in the cities were going to learn their lesson from the violence and that it might change their minds. It didn't. It didn't change their minds. I suppose the assumption made by these people was that Trump was president and he didn't protect us, so why bother voting for him?
Starting point is 00:34:06 So the lesson that they actually learned was the opposite. Then when Joe Biden got in and everything got bad, they said, this is the fault of bad leadership in Joe Biden. I believe Donald Trump, he's got to go in and stop this. And it's not even, you know what, guys, the right is so afraid of being called fascists, they won't even use the powers the law grants them. The Insurrection Act exists. It was passed by Congress.
Starting point is 00:34:31 It is not unconstitutional. It is not fascistic. It is how we enforce laws in this country. It's actually democratic. We voted for Trump to stop the illegal immigration. Now terrorists are trying to kill cops. Trump has the right to defend this country, these towns, these states, send in the military,
Starting point is 00:34:50 invoke, I mean, look, he already won on the National Guard, send in the National Guard first. And if that's not enough, then you, Insurrection Act, and you put a couple of people on the street corners where these people are shooting at cops. Yeah, look, I mean, considering, like we just talked about, there's this is the third attack less than a week, third time that the police have been shot at in less than a week over
Starting point is 00:35:09 immigration, two cops shot. So I mean, look, it's time to put the foot, you know, bring the boot down, like, you know, start rounding people up, start saying, no, you can't protest at these things. If you if you, you know, gather for a protest when ICE is trying to do an operation, we're going to arrest every last one of you so that way ICE can do the operation that they need. Yo, this is important. You guys might have seen it.
Starting point is 00:35:34 I just realized this. Here he is shooting, right? Yeah. Once he gets back by this car, he starts shooting again. Yeah. Right, right there, see him? Yeah. He keeps going.
Starting point is 00:35:44 Dude runs right in front of him. Even though we can't see him. Dude runs right in front of him. Yep. Dude runs right in front of him. You can see right here. He raises the weapon again and appears to fire. Is that truck? Keep going a little bit.
Starting point is 00:35:55 The truck up top. Keep going forward. Is that the one where you can see the tire? Is that a police vehicle? Yeah, police vehicle. This one looks like it's a police vehicle. So he might be shooting at the police vehicle. Maybe above the the hood of the vehicle or above the roof to try and hit somebody
Starting point is 00:36:10 on the other side of it or something. Some people are commenting right now that it looks like his guns jammed. He was having problems with it. It's a high point. Yep but I just noticed watching. He raises the weapon a second time you can see right there just off frame He's raising is raising the weapon It's um it's a pretty it's an unprecedented time because you're talking about Bringing down the boot rounding people up saying you can't protest which is just antithetical to the you know the essence of the Protests of the United States. We're way beyond that It's not normal paradigm. I was thinking like people talk about nostalgia for the 90s a lot of times
Starting point is 00:36:48 I think it's because the 90s and 2000s was the most or the 80s and I's were the most peaceful era There was it was so peaceful the 90s particularly was so peaceful the Berlin Wall came down it was this feeling of we have world peace now for like 15 years from like 86 and Not very oh one of oh and desert storm. Yeah, those were all under you didn't hear about it We have world peace now for like 15 years from like 86 to 90 to 01. Except for Roosevelt and Desert Storm. Yeah, those were all under, you didn't hear about it. It was like we did some good things. And what's that?
Starting point is 00:37:10 It was limited warfare. Yeah, and very kept, there was no internet to be like, hey, look how fucked up limited warfare can be. And then 9-11. The Berlin Wall actually came on down in the 80s. It was 89. Yeah, 89. It was, that was, I remember watching that on TV.
Starting point is 00:37:23 It was just a peaceful time. It wasn't chaotic. It was that was that I remember watching that on TV. It was just a peaceful time. This it wasn't chaotic. It was ordered and like, well, I do largely agree that people long for the 90s because is the end of the Cold War, the US dominated, there was a massive economic expansion. And those of us who grew up in the 90s, it was like, it was great. Yeah, America was on top of everything. So I grew up in the 90s, it was like, it was great. America was on top of everything. So I grew up in the mindset of I would never considering, consider firing on a crowd of protesters but now a dude pulled out a gun and shot at a cop. I have been saying this for some time now.
Starting point is 00:37:59 Zoran Mamdani made it clear when he said he would stop Trump from enforcing the law. These people do not view themselves of the American tradition. They hate America. Zoran Mamdani allegedly has this blog, I don't know if it's actually his but it's been going viral, where he talks about how he wishes he was white and how he feels such envy because he just wants to be white but he can't. And so this is what motivates these people, disdain and jealousy. So this guy is basically saying in his campaign, when Donald Trump is elected,
Starting point is 00:38:31 because he says illegal immigration is bad. So people say, okay, Trump, get the illegal immigrants out of this country. Zoran says, we will protect you. Now, who is you? Who are the families he's talking about? When we talk about conflict and factions in war, each side will refer to their enemies as their enemies. They'll say
Starting point is 00:38:51 terrorists, right? But the left doesn't call these people terrorists. They'll call them rebels or freedom fighters or heroes probably. When Zoran Mamdani says protecting families, he's saying the people who broke our laws have spit on our constitution and have nothing but disdain for our way of life, our traditions and our laws. And when he says he will stop Trump from deporting them, he is telling everyone in the United States,
Starting point is 00:39:16 you as an American, your will be damned. I will stop your president from doing anything about what we are doing. What I ultimately mean to say by this, Ian you say I never would have dreamed of opening fire on a cop. Well yeah, because that cop is an American just like you. These people don't view themselves as American. They fly Mexican flags, Colombian flags,
Starting point is 00:39:35 they fly flags of Honduras, and they're doing it because they want to make California Mexico again. So why is that guy shooting? Because he's thinking you, when he says you to the ICE agents, are enemy occupiers of the land I seek to take away. Yeah, I think that's true. One American doesn't do it unless they're a criminal thinking, I don't care about anybody but myself.
Starting point is 00:39:57 Yeah, I mean, at this point, they're also they're also portrayed as martyrs too. I mean, you go back, I do believe a little bit of this has to do with the Luigi effect, right? Where this guy has been raised up to the point where he is a saint in the eyes of so many people because he murdered a healthcare CEO in cold blood. And now with all these politicians out there, obviously Democrats coming out and calling these guys Nazis, Gestapo, every name in the book constantly villainizing these people. They're empowered to go out and do this.
Starting point is 00:40:29 And I mean, they're like, spend a few minutes on Reddit and look what they have to say about these kind of people. I mean, it is a disease at this point. I don't know how we pull out of this. It's going to continue getting uglier unless we put the foot down. Can we just take a pause for a second and point out how ABC said, quote, a protester was seen firing some kind of weapon? I think the moment you're looking at a person opening fire, you say insurgents or terrorists. Yeah, they've broken ranks with the protest if they're opening fire on cops.
Starting point is 00:41:00 They're no longer part of the protest. The protest has become a riot or a an insurgent action because I'll tell you what's gonna happen not everybody in the group obviously is gonna agree with the guy shooting at someone they're probably gonna freak out and be like I didn't sign up for this but I guarantee you a bunch of these people are gonna be like we will hide you and protect you. But you might also have an agitator in the crowd with them and then they open fire. So you don't wanna blame the whole crowd
Starting point is 00:41:26 for one guy stepping out and doing. I disagree. I mean, honestly. You have to. You know why? Because when they all wear black masks and jeans and hoodies so that you can't prosecute and figure out who is doing the shooting.
Starting point is 00:41:38 And then when they're told show up doing this to obfuscate and cover it up, you got yourselves a unified action. So going into it with the black block, just know you're part of whatever any of these other black block people do is what you're saying. You can protest in other places. They're going to where ICE is trying to conduct operations. They can go downtown, hold up signs and protest these blah blah blah operations and stuff without actually trying to prevent the police from
Starting point is 00:42:02 doing what the police are supposed to do. So if they go there where the police are actually trying to perform operations, round them all up, put them in jail, even if it's only for a night. Seditious conspiracy. What is? What these people are doing. That's just one of the charges. Attempted murder is the next charge. For sure, that guy with the gun. Yeah, attempted murder. In DC, when Trump first got elected, hundreds of far leftists were rampaging through the city,
Starting point is 00:42:28 smashing windows and starting fires, and they all wore the same clothes intentionally so that you couldn't figure out who did what. And that way, even if the cop watched a guy, he's wearing all black, he throws a brick and the cop grabs him and says, I got him, he threw the brick. What would happen is they'd go to court,
Starting point is 00:42:45 they'd say jury trial, and then to the jury, the defense would say, what clothing was the defendant wearing? He was wearing a black hoodie with a black mask, sunglasses and black jeans. And was there anyone else wearing this? Yes, they were all wearing it. So is there a possibility you grabbed the wrong person?
Starting point is 00:43:03 No, I saw him do it, that's him. Then they say to the jury, do you really believe, imagine in your own mind that there is a crowd of 300 people all wearing the exact same clothes. You can say beyond a reasonable doubt, you grabbed the correct person, especially in the mayhem of pepper spray and rocks being thrown. And the jury goes, agreed. They dismissed all the charges. And that's, I don't know, jury goes, agreed. They dismissed all the charges. And I don't know that's literally what happened. That's the intention. That's what they want it to be.
Starting point is 00:43:29 The government tried charging them with conspiracy by saying, when you show up wearing these clothes so that you can cover up for the people who are violent, you're in a conspiracy, and it was thrown out. It was dismissed. And then Antifa, various individuals, sued the city and won a million bucks if you want to get let me get this out i want to hear what you say no no i was scoffing at that
Starting point is 00:43:50 fact to call it a seditious conspiracy if you can find funding for this and it's organized yes that is a seditious conspiracy they're trying to overthrow that is not what seditious conspiracy is it's a broad i was listening to you guys argue about it. It's literally right here. If two or more persons, if two or more persons, any state or territory or any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States conspire to overthrow, put down, destroy, by force the government to levy war against them or to oppose by force the authority thereof or by force to prevent, hinder or delay the execution of any law of the United States or by force to seize, take or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof. They shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years or both. If you are dressing up to opt to cover up
Starting point is 00:44:35 for other people, when you say we can't blame the whole group, I understand what you're saying but I will counter with this. They know violence is a high probability and is likely. They know the reason they wear those clothes is to protect others who engage in violence. If someone then draws a gun and opens fire, it's exactly what these people signed up for. And considering that five days ago, a group of people, currently there's an FBI manhunt underway for one of the accomplices in the shooting on an ICE facility. There is no excuse, in my opinion, that you have a group of people launching fireworks at an ICE facility and when they come out a guy in the woods shoots a cop in the neck.
Starting point is 00:45:15 And these people are going to feign ignorance. We had no idea that was going on. Yeah, well it happened twice. So you expect me to believe that two instances where there was an armed ambush on immigration officers shooting two cops in three days and then less than a week later you show up to this event and a guy draws a gun and you're going to go, I had no idea that could happen. Yes. I'm thinking about like in military conflict if you are fighting against an enemy platoon and only one of them had a rifle and they're shooting at you, you don't like let all the other ones go,
Starting point is 00:45:47 the entire platoon is your target. And you could think of these guys as a platoon of enemies all wearing a uniform. We're not in that domestic warfare situation. We're in the United States. They should all get arrested. They should be charged with accomplices to attempt to murder, whatever the charge would be.
Starting point is 00:46:02 We cannot be afraid of being called fascists when we enforce the law. Let me just pause real quick. In five days, what are we going? We're going on six days. Leftists in three different instances have opened fire on law enforcement who have sworn an oath to the constitution to uphold its laws and enforce them as they have been passed by Congress. Donald Trump won the popular vote. What these law enforcement officers are doing is the will of the voters, that is democracy. The agents came out with less lethal weapons because they're not trying to cause permanent harm to the people who are protesting. In response, they opened fire.
Starting point is 00:46:42 I am surprised at the restraint of this law enforcement considering in the past week, we've seen two ambushes. You'd think these officers would already be coming out with at least one guy prepped to use lethal force to put down an armed terrorist ambush. With a group like this and one guy pulling out a gun and opening fire, they all must be arrested and charged. We cannot be sitting here saying, no, no, no, no, hold on guys. Let's just err on the benefit of the doubt that these people had no idea that there was going to be another armed ambush for the third time in a week. No, no, no, no, we can't do that.
Starting point is 00:47:17 These people need to be made aware of a few things. One, we believe that based on the news, let me pause it like this. These protesters know more about the protests than you do, than I do, than any of us here or anyone online, because they're directly involved in the organization of these things. So you have to go to me and say, who do you think knows more about the planned actions?
Starting point is 00:47:40 The actual people on the ground in that moment or strangers on the internet? And I'm going to say, I'm pretty sure the people who are there, who are told when to be there and why they should be there, no more. Okay, so then you think it's likely that these people are aware of the ambush on CBP and ICE last week? Probably yes, because these people are having meetings about resistance to ICE. So the probability they know that there is violence against cops, two cops have been shot, is substantially greater than the average American. When they show up within the same week
Starting point is 00:48:15 and a guy draws a gun, I say, if you are in these groups of people that are attempting to kill law enforcement, you will get arrested and charged. And what does that mean? Maybe we don't go to this conspiracy. Maybe you want to be a little, you know, forgiving. Fine.
Starting point is 00:48:30 That means they get a charge with, you know, accomplice to attempted murder or assault an officer, whatever it might be. But they almost be arrested and charged for the actions of the one guy with the gun. It makes me think of the January 6 with all those people getting arrested that were just there trespassing the Trump up charges and same similar with the riot or- It is completely different, Ian. If there had been a riot at the Capitol, and then three days later, another riot at the Capitol, and then a week later, a thousand people showed up and there was a riot at the
Starting point is 00:48:56 Capitol, I'd say, at what point are we going to be like, yo, those people knew a riot was going to happen. Like it was the third time it happened. Well, the government said they knew beforehand. Without evidence. They hit sedition. Well, they text like, hey, we're going to go to the capital. That's not correct.
Starting point is 00:49:10 The people who walked in and were milling about. Oh yeah, those people were in the building. Exactly. There were some people that were planning to go. If you rioted, you should have been arrested on January 6th. You got to define riot. Is it yelling? Like standing there?
Starting point is 00:49:21 No, it was the people who were punching cops and smashing windows and forcing their way in the building. Not the people blocking, standing between that guy and the other cop, you know, you the people who were punching cops and smashing windows and forcing their way in the building Blocking standing between that guy and the other cop, you know You're saying People who are involved in the riot and there is evidence that they were violent towards cops and smashed and vandalized you charge them for sure And that guy that fired the gun you charge him for firing the gun. That's not because this is the third time and Right. This is the third time and, right, this is the third time we've had an ambush on law
Starting point is 00:49:47 enforcement and these people are coordinated and organized, it's a little bit different. If there was a random group of people that, okay, after the shooting, let's say right now, because this is live, let's say they disperse. Then seven people walk up and are walking around pointing cameras. If the cops went to those random people and arrest them and charge them with conspiracy, I completely agree. That makes no sense. They had no idea what was going on. They're walking down a public road.
Starting point is 00:50:10 For the people on January 6th walked into a building on the other side where there's no riot and the doors were already open and they're like, I don't know, it's a public building. You're normally allowed to go in it. Why charge those people? This is the difference. Anybody who was in the riot I believe should have been charged. Now I agree with the pardons on J6 because three years is the difference. Anybody who was in the riot, I believe should have been charged. Now I agree with the pardons on J6
Starting point is 00:50:25 because three years is long enough. It's a little too long for a riot, in my opinion. Couple of years is fine for assaulting an officer and vandalizing and desecrating or whatever you want to call it. I think you would have to prove that the people in the crowd with that guy who opened fire had been there before in order to say
Starting point is 00:50:43 that they were conspiring. Yeah, I don't care. I'm going to say this one more time. I don't care what terrorists who are trying to murder cops say about me. That's what they said about the January 6 people. It doesn't matter, Ian, because you're completely wrong. Facts are on our side. What are you talking about?
Starting point is 00:51:00 Okay, let's try this one more time. We hear, read and watch the news all day every day, and we are well aware of the true facts of January 6th. That is, a riot did occur, it was bad. People did assault officers, that is bad. Vandalism occurred, that is bad. But the state went after people who didn't do anything. People who an hour later were walking around in the grass, or Owen Shroyer, who never went in the building or Brendan Strzok who never went in the building. I am saying these people are actively in a small group one during the same week where two other immigration officers were fired upon and they're dressing in a way where they were told to dress to coordinate their actions. The uniform's
Starting point is 00:51:42 interesting maybe you could argue if they're there in uniform. I would argue this. Again, if there was a riot at the Capitol, and then three days later there was a riot at the Capitol, and then three days later there was a riot at the Capitol, at that point I'd argue, I think the people who are showing up are well aware that the intention is to riot at the Capitol.
Starting point is 00:52:04 Now I don't know about hunting them down across the country and trying to give them 20 years. Like I said, three years was too long. But for these people who are shooting cops, nobody on January 6th shot a cop. The media lied about cops dying. So what do you get charged with for assaulting an officer in a riot? Maybe a couple of years. Instead, they put people in solitary for three without even giving them a trial in some circumstances or withholding evidence.
Starting point is 00:52:26 That's dramatically different. My point is you've got a cluster of like 20 people who have meetings, direct action, they've organized, they've showed up and a guy pulled a gun and shot and tried to murder law enforcement. I want to know the funding. I want to know about the organization. This is exactly what I'm talking about. If there is a conspiracy here and people are grouping, it's not just emergent, we got to know who.
Starting point is 00:52:44 Like you said, what do we do? How do we stop this without bringing the boot down you figure out who's paying these people there's a global culture war right now bring the boot we gotta do both but you got to figure out why is this because it's if it if you just stop these new people will emerge and do the same role if it's being funded by a communist global using the same argument that you're using with the pedophiles too here. Trying to stop the person doesn't stop the behavior necessarily. I want to talk about this part. Sorry, just one last point.
Starting point is 00:53:12 Maybe when people who show up and provide cover for armed terrorists who are trying to murder cops, maybe when they get arrested and charged, and again, I'll say this, for the people that are party to that group who are apprised of the meeting and the action and the plans, maybe they'll say, I had no idea he'd draw a gun. Okay, well, you still get a year in jail for that. You are party to a group that tried to murder police, okay? Maybe when that happens, people stop showing up and giving cover to armed terrorists who are trying to murder law enforcement. If you're there in a uniform, uniform man and somebody else with your uniform on Opens fire commits a crime. I mean the your organization should be called a terrorist for one
Starting point is 00:53:50 What do you think would happen if your buddy asked he said hey, can you give me a ride to the bank real quick? I got a deposit a check. Oh, and he went robbed the bank and then he pulls out a gun and runs You know, of course, even though you didn't know you might get a reduced charge if you truly didn't know what was going on But I would imagine you'd be implicated. It'd be accomplice. Yeah. Yeah, but you were talking about the issue where people are afraid,
Starting point is 00:54:10 especially on the Republican side, of being called fascists or whatever, but the political ramifications of that, I don't think, you know, outside of MSNBC pundits and such, that run-of-the-mill Americans are not going to side with you on cracking down on rioters that are opening fire on police officers. This is
Starting point is 00:54:31 still a 60% 70% of Americans want to see illegal deported. They don't want to see police being injured. They don't want to see rioters shooting. It goes further than that when you're talking about shooting police officers. What are we at 80 20 now? I mean, that's the thing. It's this this is such a safe bet for the Trump administration to bring the boot down on because nobody likes this stuff. Nobody wants to see rioters. Nobody wants to see people hurting cops. Nobody wants to see illegal staying in the country and taking, you know, taking spaces at the hospital taking taking up spaces on any kind of you know government assistance roles. The American people made it very clear that they want to see
Starting point is 00:55:12 deportations of of illegal immigrants not just criminal aliens but the you know actually the ones that are committing crimes but even people that are here illegally and if they're just you know like trying to keep their head down the American people want to see illegal sent home. This is not a hard problem for the administration. So what are we waiting for at this point though? I mean, do we have to wait until one is actually killed before we, you know, put the boot down?
Starting point is 00:55:35 Let me let me jump to the story with us on the post millennial wanted FBI manhunt underway for armed antifa suspect allegedly involved in the ambush shooting outside ICE detention center in Texas. Benjamin Hanil Song, 32 of Dallas, is wanted for attempted murder and is considered armed and dangerous. So we got somebody on the run. They say the FBI believes Song purchased four of the firearms connected to the premeditated attack which was allegedly carried out by a North Texas antifa cell. Ten heavily armed members of the cell have been arrested and charged with attempted murder and other crimes. On July 4th, local and federal officers were lured to the area outside an ICE facility in Alvarado, Texas, and found themselves fired upon by a group of heavily armed militants dressed in black military-style clothing,
Starting point is 00:56:19 according to the criminal complaint. One officer was shot in the neck but survived. Authorities said the gunman fired approximately 20 to 30 rounds of ammo using AR-15 style rifles. So I got a question. Shot in the neck area from an AR-15, the presumption is that's going to be what? 223 or 556? Yep. It must have raised him because that's... Seriously?
Starting point is 00:56:42 Yeah. Because if you actually got in the neck with that, it's going to cavitate, isn't it? Yeah with that's going to cavitate isn't it? Yeah, it's gonna vaporize a lot of your. Yeah, he prays they probably he probably got nicked. You know, thankfully it was it was wow on the level of the the shot that Trump got because like he was released so they didn't get a significant amount of it didn't get him. This is crazy. I mean, you're yours. It was a
Starting point is 00:57:02 here and this guy is on the run. They say the FBI believes song hit in the woods for roughly 24 hours after the ambush before escaping on foot. An FBI agent wrote in the court finding that song cell phone was traced near the scene of the crime beginning at 1130 pm shortly after the attack and remained in the area through the day of July 5. This guy laid and waited for a day. These people are not messing around. We had Yoram on the show on Monday and he says,
Starting point is 00:57:30 "'Didn't we see this in the 2020 riots? "'People were shooting cops.' And I said, no. While we did see cops get shot, this is militant. The stuff we saw in the 2020 riots was more wanton. There was an instance where that guy with a sniper rifle went up on the roof in Texas. Absolutely. This is now two instances of organized,
Starting point is 00:57:51 like strategized action. That is, these people were heavily armed. One guy hid for the ambush. They acted like routine protesters launching fireworks. And when the cops walked out, they unloaded with a rifle. This is like, okay, they say they're sleeper cells in the United States potentially from all this illegal people come in of course they're not going to come out and be like nine of them be like we are from Iran and we will take them no they're going to go into a riot they're going to they're
Starting point is 00:58:16 going to go into an antifa protest they're going to be the one with the gun try and get all their other American protesters arrested so they it's like a double win for them not only do they get to go out to the government and scare everybody they get to screw over all their other American protesters arrested. So they it's like a double win for them. Not only do they get to go out to the government and scare everybody, they get to screw over all these other protesters. I'm not saying this guy was a was an insurgent or or anything. I'm just saying this kind of thing. It's going to like you see one guy here, one guy here, one guy in that group. They could be foreign terrorists. I mean, do we actually know it says he's of Dallas, Texas, do we actually know or is this like Maryland man from El Salvador?
Starting point is 00:58:46 He's less than Song, so he's not, he probably hasn't been in the United States for six generations. The guy's obviously got some Asian heritage, maybe Chinese, I don't know. Song Korean, not that, the first thing I thought was, oh great, is he a Chinese national? It's the first thing I thought.
Starting point is 00:58:58 And I'm like, get this racist shit out of your head, dude. But, where else? What? I had another piece I'm gonna come up with in a minute well I mean look this apparently this is the guy that was kind of like facilitating for everybody and he's pretty well known among people that are on the left and people that follow the left I guess Andy Noe was saying that he's had interactions with this guy as well so look that this kind of stuff is just gonna continue to escalate. That's what I'm thinking is they're getting away with it I'm like, okay
Starting point is 00:59:30 This is story is already written the story of reality of humanity Like we're just living a pre-destined thing where oh now Palantir is gonna take over they're gonna have a super spy program Domestically they're gonna have drones in the sky above us constantly for our own safety To make sure that we find all the illegal things And that's the reality where I look for next 30 years. California is doing that with fireworks There's a guy that's gonna get oh, yeah $100,000 fine because in L in the LA area because he was setting off fireworks and they the police had drones just You know $1,000 per firework and even if even if it's at your house and you're not there
Starting point is 01:00:04 You still get charged with it because they they pass the law that you know that social happenings at your dwelling are your responsibility so you get fined for it too so if I go into my neighbor's vacation house and start blasting off fireworks for July 4th you know he gets charged with it I'm good well it's fantastic yeah it's like yeah like yeah like illegal doesn't mean good so if we get this over obsessed system of legality where everyone's like it can't happen because it's illegal. Yeah dude this is getting nuts. Ice using black hawk to support the farm raids. Watch this video.
Starting point is 01:00:37 ... who have showed up to vehemently protest what's going on here and just from the last few minutes... Oh it's beautiful. ... border patrol helicopter has entered the scene here they're landing in the middle of the farm as we speak is it a black hook? yeah it's a black hook to be here as long as they have been and so this helicopter that you're looking at here guys apparently just made a run over to Van Nuys airport for some cases of water
Starting point is 01:01:01 uh... which is what they're bringing into the scene here. Okay, okay. So there are a whole team of ICE agents at the bottom. They're just hydrating water. Gun bloat, diplomacy. I thought they were dispatching more units. They're definitely showing force. But they were doing that during the LA riots. They did bring a Black Hawk in and unload tactical gear with it.
Starting point is 01:01:18 So we know that they are, and I just looked at the registration on that, that is a DHS helicopter. This is, let me just say, holy crap, what we're starting to see this past week. And I just looked at the registration on that. That is a DHS helicopter. Let me just say, holy crap, what we're starting to see this past week. And I hope it's a blip. You know, when the 2020 riots happened, we said, we hope it's a blip. And it got bad over that year and the next year
Starting point is 01:01:38 with violence. And then we kind of had a lull where, probably because Biden was in charge, Antifa wasn't going as hard as it in 2020, but Trump is president now, he's enacting the will of the people, and we're on what, month six? And we're not even? And now we've seen militant strategic ambushes on law enforcement.
Starting point is 01:02:01 I don't see how this goes away. I think it escalates. I think it escalates to the point where we are forced to deploy the military and have military intervention. I mean, what is the incentive for them to slow down and stop right now? There's hardly any consequences for them. You see, we have this conversation like every other week, almost,
Starting point is 01:02:18 where we ask the question amongst ourselves, what is the logic behind a de-escalation? It would only be to enhance stability, domestic stability, in case there's a global conflict and a war. Like the Russians in 1916, the Russian revolution screwed the Russian empire out of World War I. They couldn't even fight in the war
Starting point is 01:02:38 because there's domestic chaos. This is all about domestic stuff. I mean, this isn't really international, is it? I wish it, borders protected us, but it's all international at this point. This is all about domestic stuff. I mean, this isn't really international, is it? I wish it was. Borders protected us, but it's all international at this point. This is not accidental. This is a global move. The culture war, they call it,
Starting point is 01:02:52 is like they're using internet to seed communities of people to do uprisings. They're funding probably crypto being passed behind black channels. It's all connected, man. Yeah, it is. And I tell you, communism, fascism, global tyranny would love, probably the most thing they would love at all is to see the United States fall, is to see this democracy kill
Starting point is 01:03:12 itself. It would be the ultimate win for, like you said, this experiment of freedom where we're all kind of legally equal. It's real new. It's tenuous at best. So that would be the one reason to deescalate is to maintain stability. But that doesn't necessarily mean in the long run that we would be stabilized. There are a million reasons to deescalate. There's an infinite number of reasons to deescalate.
Starting point is 01:03:35 The question is what is the logic for a path that results in deescalation? There isn't one. Off the top of my head maybe not, but yeah, I like that. Hypothetically, Donald Trump crushes them and then stops. He goes in with a heavy hand and then they stop. But I think, I don't know that Trump would go heavy enough. And like I said, the right is scared of being called a fascist or fascists. So they keep saying, oh, we better not, we better not. And it's like, okay, well, the reason why we're seeing this degree of violence
Starting point is 01:04:05 is because when the far left came out with explosives, they didn't get arrested. And so the college kids and the people they're recruiting, they're like, look, if you come out and join us, you won't get arrested, it never happens, okay? And so the next step is obviously guns. I think you have to crack down on it because it's like a fire, a brush fire right now.
Starting point is 01:04:22 And it's multiple brush fires. And if you don't put them out, one of those can create a forest fire, which can destroy your entire ecosystem. And I saw that in 2020. I was like, why did not bring out the National Guard day two of those stupid riots? I'm like, why is this still happening? Why is three days have gone by and it hasn't been quelled? And you know, they call it pacification. That's the word
Starting point is 01:04:42 that the the militant conquerors want to use about like, we're just bringing peace and stability. We're pacifying the populace. Well, what does that mean? They're going in there and stomping it down with guns, swords, put them in. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised. I know it's probably cliche to see if we go down
Starting point is 01:04:57 the Roman Republic route and there are like the Republic as we'd call it crumbles and it becomes something else. I mean, we called it the Roman Empire after the fact but I don't know that we would do that because people have an aversion to that. Begging for a strong man like Caesar that would be Trump and then giving him massive authorities. Caesar took it or they basically gave it to him. Just to just- They acquiesced it to him. In the event that like let's say within a year this is 100 times worse. Trump's going to be granted emergency powers. He's going to insurrection act the entire country.
Starting point is 01:05:28 He should be impeached if it's 100 times worse. He's not doing his job. Trump should be impeached if insurgent leftist violent terrorists are attacking the country. We need a real president that would stop that from happening. Okay, I'm sorry. I kind of interrupted. If someone, a president were to let this get 100 times worse, they should not be our president.
Starting point is 01:05:43 That's ineffectual leadership. So, oh, so you think they need to bring down, so how do you stop it from getting 100 times worse? I'm kind of with you. I mean, I think iron has to crack down. Like you have to bring out heavy weapons. No, you don't bring heavy weapons. I'm talking about heavy weapons.
Starting point is 01:05:58 Like you scare the shit out of the people that are doing it. They should have one cop right there armed with a rifle for a drone. Where the sniper bullets come from where you can't even see kind of thing. So people are like, I just don't even want to go outside. Only in the event, okay, Ian, only in the event the police are about to be killed. Right. Is my point. I'm saying they should all be arrested and charged as accomplices so that the other people,
Starting point is 01:06:20 these young people who join these riots know You can't be part of these things. We will punish, you'll be punished, you'll be arrested. But when I say it gets a hundred times worse, there's, I don't know that there's theoretically any reasonable thing Trump can do to prevent it from getting a hundred times worse. If the far left organizes in a short period of time and decides to go out in the streets with rifles
Starting point is 01:06:43 and start unloading on law enforcement, that's not something that we just predict is going to happen unless you're suggesting Donald Trump begin a mass surveillance program of these people and then arrest them before it can happen It's not just these people be everybody. That's the problem with mass surveillance and My point was What we are seeing here many some people are suggesting the comments that these are cannabis growers, probably cartel linked, and that's why they're opening fire. If it does turn out, cartel interests say this is now war and it is a hundred times worse, meaning you are seeing rifle fire from the shrubs, the bushes at cops, cops are in
Starting point is 01:07:21 armor, you know, APCs are taking fire, the military's coming in. If something like that were to happen, the American people would say, Donald Trump, we grant you the supreme authority to stop this. And let me just add one more thing. What, let me ask you guys this question. What, actually let's do this.
Starting point is 01:07:38 Let's start, let's start here. I just saw your poll in the chat on YouTube. My poll? All right, let me, let me, let me, let me launch this story from the New York Times because this is a big component of it. Judge blocks Trump's birthright citizenship order in class action challenge.
Starting point is 01:07:52 Can we do that last week? What? Didn't they just have a finding about this like two weeks ago? The universal injunctions were stopped, but let's start here. What we are seeing right now is Donald Trump's agenda, the will of the people, and the response to the left.
Starting point is 01:08:09 There's an institutional conflict happening where judges are trying to stop Trump and the people's agenda. And then you have in the streets, people are shooting at Donald Trump. I'm sorry, they're shooting at Donald Trump's agenda, is what I mean to say. They're using guns against law enforcement to prevent the agenda from happening and targeting what we want, stopping what the American people have voted for.
Starting point is 01:08:31 So right now, I wanna ask you guys some questions and so we can address how Trump responds to what's been going on. Let me just, for the sake of it, for clarity, people may be just joining the segment for the first time. We have just gotten within the past hour report and a video of a man opening fire on law enforcement in these raids northwest of LA.
Starting point is 01:08:50 Monday we had an armed man with a rifle ambush CBP officers shooting a cop and Friday an organized militarized group ambushed police outside of an ICE facility. So with that being said, I have a question for you guys. What do you think would have happened if Abraham Lincoln said after seven states seceded from the union, if he said, okay, I guess? There would have been two countries, the Northern South, and then they would have went to war. Why?
Starting point is 01:09:18 Probably would have been 10 times the blood. Because two countries can't exist on this continent together alone. What are you talking about? Canada and the United States currently exist on this because New England wants not for long wants the Gulf of Mexico Sea access. They want Pacific Coast access. Let's try this Nick. What do you think would have happened if Abraham Lincoln
Starting point is 01:09:33 said, okay, when is when the South seceded? Well, I mean it depends. Are we talking about what would what would Northern Patriots have done? I mean, I don't I don't I don't think that we would have actually allowed that to happen. In the event Abraham Lincoln said seven states have seceded from the Union? Okay. What happens next? Well he would have been elected again. Okay all right so four years later or three years later I think that would have been four years later because this session happened before he got in. So he gets in so before he even
Starting point is 01:10:04 got in office seven states had seceded he gets in. So before he even got in office, seven states had seceded. He gets in and says, guys, we accept this. So he wouldn't get elected again. Let's just pause there. There will be a right. Phil, what do you think would happen? I think that foreign, there would be foreign powers trying to influence the United States
Starting point is 01:10:17 and the Confederate states. The stability of both of the countries would have been in question. I think that it's possible that the southern states might have actually aligned with France or something like that. Sure. Spain. Right.
Starting point is 01:10:35 And so over a long period of time, there'd be trade disputes and squabbles. Wow. Surprisingly, you know, wouldn't have happened, the Civil War. Yeah. Well, that's why I said a war would have broke out. I think it would have. It just would have been a global war with foreign powers funding both sides. My question to you is what would have happened if Abraham Lincoln decided not to engage the succession? In the short term,
Starting point is 01:10:55 there would have been a successful succession and in the long term, there would have been a horrible war. We're not talking long term. My point I'm making is Civil War started because Abraham Lincoln put his boot down and said, we are not going to let the Union dissolve. The South was content to sit where they were and said no. And Abraham Lincoln said, well actually Fort Sumter was, Abraham Lincoln, it was basically the US government saying, look, this is our base, you can't have it. And then the Battle of Bull Run was the North basically saying, we will fight you for this. And then after that, Abraham Lincoln said, we are going to amass troops and go down to
Starting point is 01:11:28 the South. That's why Southerners called the War of Northern Aggression. But I'll say this, slavery is evil. So Abraham Lincoln said the Union will not be dissolved. He did not issue the Emancipation Proclamation to free slaves. He did it to destabilize the South as evidenced by the fact that Maryland and Delaware were allowed to keep their slaves. He did it to destabilize the South as evidenced by the fact that Maryland and Delaware were allowed to keep their slaves. The point being, Abraham Lincoln said, I will suspend the Constitution where I see fit. I will
Starting point is 01:11:53 arrest the Maryland legislature where I see fit and he is called the greatest president in this country. It was a Baltimore riot is why he suspended habeas corpus. There was this riot in Baltimore. It was too close to the Capitol. It was a big threat so he's like fuck fuck it all arrest them all no matter what don't care don't care why no evidence needed you lock him up and you keep him there forever and we're at war did yeah this is before before the this is the start of the war where he decided are you sure well look it up okay because if it was mid-war, my point is the beginning of the war
Starting point is 01:12:27 established territories. The US government, Abraham Lincoln basically said, we need a corridor between Pennsylvania and DC, and Maryland is a slave state with Southern sympathies. So he arrested a third of the Maryland legislature because they were sympathetic to the South and a slave state, so that they would not rise against him. And he suspended habeas corpus in a corridor from Pennsylvania
Starting point is 01:12:48 to DC so that they wouldn't be obstructed. Yeah, you're right. It was the Baltimore riots of 1861 right at the beginning, considered the first bloodshed of the American Civil War. Huge riot broke out in Baltimore and then had a military clampdown. And so my point is the right is so afraid of being called fascists and that they don't enforce the law as it's written, let alone what Abraham Lincoln did. Had Abraham Lincoln not done that, probably the United States would not be here today.
Starting point is 01:13:13 Agreed. And so my point is, all I'm saying is that Donald Trump should use the laws placed before him that within the constitutional powers that have already been adjudicated, the Insurrection Act, for instance, he just won on the National Guard case last month, and shut down these extremists how he needs to, so that we do not escalate to that point. And my counter is you are the process that you commit. So what we do, how we get there is
Starting point is 01:13:42 going to dictate what we are when it's over with. But at the same time, Lincoln shut down habeas corpus and then brought it back. Like you don't have, just because you do a horrible tyrannical thing or just a dangerously powerfully tyrannical thing doesn't mean that that's always going to be how it is forever after that. Like there can be moments of crackdown. Right. So the way I look at it right now is there will come a time where a line is drawn and we don't know what that line will be or when it will be or how or where. Abraham Lincoln had a choice. He could have said, hey guys, I'm getting into office in a couple months
Starting point is 01:14:17 and these seven states have declared secession. There was a period where for several months they were just operating as if they were the Confederacy. Then Abraham Lincoln, so after Abraham Lincoln got elected, not he was president-elect, they declared they were seceding out of fears that he would shut down slavery which would damage their economy. The actual argument from Lincoln was no no you can keep your slaves just no new slaves anywhere else. That was still a threat to them because you had bleeding cancers for seven years where people were shooting each other over slaves like John Brown. So they secede.
Starting point is 01:14:46 Abraham Lincoln, a couple months later, gets in to office and then says, I'm not letting that happen. So Fort Sumter happens. I could be totally wrong about this, but I think it was Fort Sumter. No one actually died in the conflict. One person died due to an accident or something. It was like misfire. And then the Battle of Bull Run was bloody.
Starting point is 01:15:05 And I believe it was after that Abraham Lincoln, because they were defeated, called upon to send like 15, what was it like? He called 15,000 troops or something like this. Whatever he ended up doing it, he called for troops to go quell the rebellion, which resulted in four more states seceding and joining the Confederacy, which I think included Virginia. I don't know. I don't think Virginia seceded initially. It did not. Yeah. And then because of the actions of Lincoln basically saying, Constitution be damned,
Starting point is 01:15:29 they went, holy crap, this is, we don't want this. And then he said, don't know, don't care. I am going to do whatever it takes to preserve the union and stop you. You're asking where that line is, it seems like. I think the line is kind of obvious at this point, in my opinion anyway. As soon as you see a situation like this where somebody's opening fire and an ICE agent is actually killed, I think that's the line. I think once you cross that, I think the political pressure on Trump by itself is going to force him to act in a swift and strong manner, which is going to require the military. What more assets can DHS bring out on their own?
Starting point is 01:16:05 I mean, at this point, they gotta be close to tapped out. I mean, you can bring more manpower and stuff in, but at that point, if you're getting ICE agents and such killed, just look at the base. Look at what the base is going to do at that point. They're going to freak the hell out, and President Trump isn't gonna have a choice. I think he's going to have to bring in the military.
Starting point is 01:16:24 If it's cartel stuff that got mentioned earlier, if it's actual cartel stuff, I mean, are they considered terrorist organizations at this point? Yes. You do like behind enemy lines, have you ever- Military actions if that's the case. Have you ever watched any of the cartel stuff from Mexico,
Starting point is 01:16:39 like what the cartels actually look like? It's not just like- Not recently. It's not like the old, you you know like mobster movie stuff like they're they're rolling around with like actual full on narco tanks yeah they have it they have they've got like full-on like 134 Gatling guns now M2 machine guns they're all kitted up they have rocket launchers they have grenade launchers it's far closer to to what we fought what the US fought in Afghanistan
Starting point is 01:17:06 than it is to any kind of just police action stuff. So they would need legitimate military assets to actually engage. Where do they get the weapons from? Well, they have Javelins now from Ukraine, so. You got them from the L.A.? And that's true, yes, absolutely. The Sinai Lola Cartel has Javelins.
Starting point is 01:17:24 Long range missiles? Yes, well, surface to air, yeah. Yeah, absolutely the cinema. What cartel has javelins long-range missiles. Yes, well surface to air. Yeah Yeah, like it's no joke like to take on the cartels would be an endeavor as similar to taking on the Terrorists in in the Middle East or in like Afghanistan. So yeah, it's not as mountainous in Mexico as it is in Afghanistan I don't know the topography. There's mountains in like on the west of the western side. And even still, like, it doesn't matter. The topography isn't as important as it is the weaponry that they have. Right, they're using like 2005 weapons and we have 2025 weapons. They're using drones, dude.
Starting point is 01:17:59 They're using 2025 weapons. Let's jump to, so I did pull the story, but let's actually dive into it. We have this from the New York Times. A district court judge in New Hampshire has blocked Trump's birthright citizenship order in a class action challenge. This was filed by the ACLU and they sought to create a class of people that was future people or current people born after February 20th and illegal immigrants as their class. So the judge ruled only existing infants are subject to this ruling, but that does mean infants in the entire country.
Starting point is 01:18:34 They, Trump cannot enforce the ban on birthright citizenship for now. So he will likely appeal this. The interesting thing about it is that because of the way the Supreme Court ruled on district courts and class actions, Trump just needs to create a new class himself. So like make an executive order saying if anybody wants to register their child for their register their birth, they need to have two, they have to have a legal form of ID on them at the time of and then what happens is yeah and they're're gonna be like that's not fair and then they're gonna then ACLU will be like anyone who doesn't have a legal form Of ID is our within our class and then Trump could just keep doing it
Starting point is 01:19:14 But this is the second case here where they have circumvented this this Supreme Court ban on nationwide Injunctions by deciding that it's all the sudden a class-action lawsuit It's not like these infants or their parents signed on to the lawsuit. The judge brought them in by himself. So I don't really understand. At what point is that actually allowed? Is that part going to be challenged as well? Because it seems like they're just using a loophole here.
Starting point is 01:19:41 What am I missing? I mean, I feel like the... Can't you do that with every single issue? I feel like the administration should just totally ignore this judge because the Supreme Court's already decided. No, the Supreme Court decided you need a class. Oh, okay, so, all right, yeah, all right. So the circumstance is that the ACLU created a class,
Starting point is 01:20:01 the judge said this class is protected, and that class is all infants. Well, I mean, what... How do you create a class? Stopping this class is protected and that class is all infants Well, I mean what? With everything Lito specified that this was go a downstream effect So the Supreme Court should step in and say the Supreme Court said Trump could not enforce the ban for 30 days Specifically to create leeway for groups to challenge his executive order But how did they create a class? So they they they they follow class action and they list in their filing our class is as such
Starting point is 01:20:27 And the judge says yes or no the judge removed the unborn and adults from the class creating a singular class of infants In I think I think it's specifically infants of undocumented parents are the is the class and then he said I roll from the bench, Trump can't do this. They use this, I believe last week too, this same little loophole thing where they decided that all asylum seekers are class as well. And so they should be allowed to go through the regular asylum process at the southern border again, you know, after Trump made the executive order kind of shutting that entire thing down.
Starting point is 01:21:01 So I mean, but you know, I don't know the legality of this. I'm assuming that the Trump administration is going to very quickly challenge these two cases, but it seems like, you know, we're back where we started. I mean, we're essentially still facing nationwide injunctions under a different name. I mean, am I wrong? Is that, am I missing something? So the issue, there can be an adjunction that affects the entire country so long
Starting point is 01:21:27 it's not granting relief outside of the plaintiffs. So if it's a class action and the plaintiffs are nationwide, it affects them nationwide. I think that's fine. It creates this path where Trump can just create a bunch of new classes himself. So again, Trump could be like, so let me add to this, actually I was wrong.
Starting point is 01:21:43 It's not just the children of undocumented, but also to those born to academics in the US on student visas. What? Weird, weird class, but sure. Anyway. Like a Chinese guy comes here and he's 23 on a school visa and he has a kid, the kid's an American citizen.
Starting point is 01:21:59 That's how it is right now, always. That's so messed up. It's ridiculous. So anyway, for Trump, he need only sign another executive order. And he can do it any way he wants. Like I said, you need to have a legal ID
Starting point is 01:22:12 when you're registering the birth of a child, otherwise that's an illegal registration, that's a void registration. And then basically the illegal immigrants are gonna be like, we don't have those. And they'll be like, well then we can't register the child. So then they can't claim he was born here. Then they're gonna file and sue and say,
Starting point is 01:22:24 it's unconstitutional, you can't do this. And they're gonna claim black people don't have IDs or something. And then Trump could just say, okay, he can line up 50 executive orders and say, I will see you all in court on this. Now don't get me wrong, it's kind of messed up, he can't do that.
Starting point is 01:22:36 That's what Cuomo was basically doing in New York. He shut down all the churches, they sued, the judges, the court said, open the churches, and he went, sure, the churches are now, are all hereby opened and another executive order, slightly different, can't go to church now. So he kept doing that. Trump could play the same game. He can then say after the IDs, he could say something like, you need proof of residency.
Starting point is 01:22:59 You know, that's it. And they're going to be like, oh, we're going to do, he could literally just make the same executive order again and they're going to be like, oh, we're going to do he could literally just make the same executive order again. And they're going to assume they were doing with district court judges. And then they'll have to go to the Supreme Court again. And it would just tie everything up. And in the meantime, in this period. Birthright citizenship is effectively stalled. As long as it keeps going, stalled and that it's not happening right now or stalled in that it would it would be yeah stalled until I don't know
Starting point is 01:23:27 You mean Trump wins or loses I guess stalled as in kids are American citizens or they're not they're not that's the law right now So right now this injunction stops Trump from enforcing Right the registration of babies as US citizens effectively of the children of non of non-citizens so they've put this stay on specifically these kids, which is interesting because, it's actually really interesting. Trump actually has a big victory here. If this is the, I wanna read this, look.
Starting point is 01:23:57 It says, the decision applies nationwide to babies who would have been subject to the executive order, which included the children of undocumented parents and those born to academics. My question then is, what about the children born to a tourist? Is Trump still winning a bit on this? Interesting. Because tourists are documented. They're just here on temporary stay. Green cards, people here on green cards also, their kids are not citizens right Well, I guess that is what that would indicate The judge is just trying to pick away at the at the mountain. So we're making steps forward here is what you're saying
Starting point is 01:24:32 I mean little steps if it's if that's the direction you're heading Very small be forward But yeah, I mean the kind of the class stuff that is that is what Alito was talking about when he came in. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Guys, I just never trust the New York Times. Never trust- Noted. I... So my understanding based on the New York Times reporting, and I always read a
Starting point is 01:24:57 couple stories and then I choose my principal source. And so I had read CNN and NBC and then I said, I'm going to go to the New York Times, got a better headline. I pulled up the actual statement from the ACLU. They may have just banned abortion. Oh, tell me. Future persons are a legal class, protected and deserving of representation before the courts.
Starting point is 01:25:16 Future persons. Oh, oh. It's in it. The ACLU can't make that decision. No, no, no, it's in the court order. It says, in light of the above, this court grants the petitioner's motion and provisionally certifies the following class for the purpose of preliminary injunctive relief all current all current and future persons who are born on or after February 20 25 and then it goes on to add Where that person's mother was unlawfully present United States the person's father was not a US citizen or a lawful permanent resident time of said
Starting point is 01:25:41 Birth or the person's mother mother's present the US was lawful but temporary and the person's father was not a US citizen or lawful permanent resident time of said birth, or the person's mother, mother's presence at the US was lawful but temporary, and the person's father was not a US citizen or lawful permanent resident time. They have just certified future persons as a class deserving of representation and injunctive relief. I should have just read the director, that's my fault. I apologize, because this is what we've been talking about the whole time.
Starting point is 01:26:02 This means every single pro-life group should right now be launching 20 different lawsuits everywhere they can in every single state. This judge just said future persons, yeah like kids that aren't even conceived yet, have a legal right to representation. Holy! The thing is you can make something a law that doesn't make sense. This sounds like it doesn't make sense. Like if you said it is illegal for a human to fly straight up in the air 7,000 feet, you could pass that law. It would never happen.
Starting point is 01:26:32 People don't fly straight up in the air 7,000 feet. So like, what's the point of that law? Same as this, they're not people. There are no future persons to become future persons. You understand? Well, yeah, there are. No, they're not future, they're nothing. There's nothing there. It doesn't become something. Yeah. So unless they're
Starting point is 01:26:50 already conceived in the womb there's no art there's no person to make laws for. That's the point. They're saying people that aren't even conceived yet in that law they're indicating that children that have yet to be born in three years from now which means they're not in the womb at this point. No it's pretty specific. It says if it says right there it's in the future persons who are born or after February 20 25 It's very specific says right there future persons that are born in 29 on or after So honor after February 20 so if a kid's born in 2029 this law would still affect them Even though they haven't been conceived yet now. They're not a future person right now
Starting point is 01:27:21 They're literally saying someone who could be born 20 years from now. A future person means every conceivable human ever. Yeah. Like robot. You want to talk about personhood? India gave dolphins or elephants personhood or something? Dolphins. Yo, this is wild. All future persons is an infinite statement.
Starting point is 01:27:43 A future person could refer to, like you just said, dolphins. Like if in the future, personhood is granted to a dolphin. Artificial intelligence, personas. Indeed. So this is, okay, so we had Will Chamberlain on when the Supreme Court issued this ruling. He's an actual lawyer. And we were talking about what does it mean that they argued for future persons. And he was like, I don't know that future persons can have legal standing. Wait, what? And I'm like, that's the class they're seeking to form a class against or for. Future person, ignore all the weird semantic problems.
Starting point is 01:28:19 What the ACLU meant is a baby in the womb. That's what they meant. I mean, I think they do literally mean someone who was conceived a year from now as well, but. Yeah, they're trying to sneak that in there. They're basically saying a baby in the womb, not yet born as a future person, and they have legal standing as a class
Starting point is 01:28:38 to be represented according to this judge. This means any pro-life group should file with the exact same judge or, citing this ruling, argue they would seek injunctive relief to block any abortion, so long as this is in effect. Like, is it illegal to kill a future person? That's the question. The argument is simply this. If you can get injunctive relief granted to a future person for the issue of citizenship not yet received, you better damn well be able to protect their life from... Indeed. They're a future person and you are protecting them from the termination of their life and
Starting point is 01:29:15 the inhibition of their future personhood. So are you going to the point where you can say that, okay, a class action lawsuit could be filed by moms for life or something like that. And that class is future persons who were born on or after February 20th of 2025. Is that what you're talking about? Like creating a class out of that with this same judge to block abortion?
Starting point is 01:29:36 Now, here's what's gonna happen. This same judge is probably gonna be a liberal or just be like, no. And then this is, we need this to happen right now. Every single pro-life group, tweet it out, share it. They need to be filing tomorrow to this same district judge in the same district, because he needs to then explain why in one instance he would allow legal standing
Starting point is 01:30:00 as a class future persons for illegal immigrants, but not for those about to be aborted. And then if you simultaneously have in both instances, I do not grant this as a class, then we get to ask the question, why is that? Or he just goes, okay. And then you say, all right, before you can abort a baby, the baby gets representation and their person will represent them before court. You just, having all the abortion, anti-abortion, pro-life activists saying I need to legally protect my future child, my future child makes no sense. It violates every norm of the abortion debate. It's so ridiculous and it pokes a hole in this guy's argument.
Starting point is 01:30:45 You cannot legally protect, I mean, you can legally protect the unborn. You can do that, but they don't have- For granting class certifications. They don't have legal rights. They're future persons. Like they're not persons. You can't have a future person.
Starting point is 01:30:58 That doesn't make any sense. The unborn in the womb are future persons from a technical, I think- Unless they die, you never know like what person when they're a person, right? And that's always yeah, you can't protect this is this is actually they should be adjudicated in the 14th Amendment, which I've pulled up time and time again. And my belief is that abortion will be abolished because of because of the 14th Amendment. I think it
Starting point is 01:31:21 will too. But that's because they're going to put neural nets in the infants in the womb and be like, oh my god, they're smarter than I am. Let me just read. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside, period. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States, semi-colon, nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law,
Starting point is 01:31:45 nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." Now hold on. Read the first sentence for me, Ian. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. So what they've stated is that citizen is a word that means person who has been born or naturalized in the United States. And was subject to the jurisdiction at the time. Agreed. That would imply that persons are persons before being born. All persons born. So in able to be born you must have been a person to be born? Because
Starting point is 01:32:17 you become a person once you're born. Because here's the argument. You could theoretically argue that they're saying a person is a human being, and if you are a human being who was born or naturalized and subject to jurisdiction thereof, you also qualify as a citizen. Well then, if that's the argument you could take, maybe they will. I would also argue it's saying a person who is born implies you were a person before you were born, but that's neither here nor there. Take it if you want.
Starting point is 01:32:41 It says, nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property. The argument then becomes exactly what I just said. When do you become a person? It doesn't say in the 14th Amendment, you become a person upon birth. If that birth is in the United States, you are a citizen. It says, person's born. It also says you can't deprive a person of life, liberty, or property. The question the Supreme Court needs to answer is when does someone become a person? Yeah. I think they're going to say that they become a person because of this. This is why the ACLU said future persons, because they were trying to avoid this. I think they can't though, and I think they know it. Yeah, that's crazy. Because they said future person in their class, not unborn persons, because they knew what
Starting point is 01:33:27 that would mean. The problem is, so long as future persons have legal standing as a class to be represented to seek injunctive relief, anyone should be able to sue on behalf of a class, the unborn, seeking injunctive relief against their own termination. Now the problem here is, if they say no, the baby can be terminated, the argument is, why can future persons be granted injunctive relief on something that has not yet happened,
Starting point is 01:33:54 in one instance but not the other? I think the ACLU has walked themselves into a pit trap. Yeah. I'd love to see it. You'd love to see it. Screw the ACLU. So the, I don't know if you guys know, but the US attorney Bill Essay, he's the- LA.
Starting point is 01:34:10 Yeah, the official attorney for the central district of California. He just tweeted, the federal agents are executing a search warrant at this marijuana farm. Agents have already arrested multiple individuals for impeding this operation. We'll continue to make arrests. Don't interfere. You'll be arrested and charged with federal offenses. So like this isn't just isn't just about illegals this is about a search warrant on the marijuana farm because they believe that it's tied to cartels. So that's where that shooting happened. We got to do one more segment
Starting point is 01:34:39 we got to do one more segment ladies and gentlemen. Ladies and gentlemen we went and saw Superman. Check it out from The Hollywood Reporter, Superman Review, James Gunn gives DC Studios crown jewel a gleaming polish with help from David Cornsweat and Rachel Brosnahan. So the big story was that it was woke. The director had made comments about immigration, Sean Gunn, his brother, had made comments
Starting point is 01:35:00 about people who spread hate, and the immediate assumption from many people was that it was going to be woke. Another story is Superman used to say, truth, justice, and the American way. And now he says truth, justice, and the human way. Well, we went and saw the movie and I will tell you this, it's not woke, it's not political. There's only one political comment in it. And it was a joke mocking, it wasn't really mocking anybody.
Starting point is 01:35:23 It was just an overt general statement that didn't direct anything towards anybody. I will get into spoilers in a little bit, but I'll give you guys a heads up so we can talk a little bit about it right now and address the political stuff. It was not about immigration. It was not political in any way.
Starting point is 01:35:40 From the trailers, you can see, so this is not a spoiler, Superman's basically like, he stops a war between two nations. That's technically as political as it gets. The motivations of the villain have nothing to do with wokeness, Marxism, critical theory. It is classic Lex Luthor versus Superman. I thought the movie was pretty good. However, I will say this,
Starting point is 01:36:02 and this is kind of a spoiler, but it's kind of not. Guys, the Interdimensional monkeys is true. I knew that I knew it. So a while ago, there was a leak that in the movie, they were they were interdimensional monkeys that were spamming Twitter, insulting Superman to make him angry. And I thought someone made that up to mock James Gunn's Superman by throwing some stupid idea out there.
Starting point is 01:36:28 Indeed, it is in the movie. And the beginning of the movie was okay, and I was like, I don't know how I feel about this, C- maybe, now it's a D+. And then the moment I saw the monkeys, F. I was almost ready to walk out of the theater. But I rolled my eyes and I went, oh my God. monkeys, F. I was almost ready to walk out of the theater. But I rolled my eyes and I went, oh my God. Literally Lex Luthor has an army of interdimensional
Starting point is 01:36:51 monkeys that are insulting Superman on Twitter. Interdimensional how? We'll get to that in a little bit because I don't want to give spoilers, but they are interdimensional monkeys. They are normal earth monkeys in an interdimensional plane. There you go. Oh, cool. interdimensional monkeys. They're normal Earth monkeys in an interdimensional plane. There you go. So what I will say is after this, I was flatlining.
Starting point is 01:37:10 Like if there's like a meter showing like how much do I like the movie? In the beginning, it was the intro showing off Lex Luthor's abilities spiked way up to the top. I was like, yes, because what I love in superhero movies is humans who are better than superheroes. That's why I like Batman. That's why I better than superheroes. That's why I like Batman. That's why I like Iron Man. That's why I like Doctor Strange. Human, regular humans who acquire their ability through hard work, like Doctor Strange studied, Iron Man invented things, Mr. Terrific invented things.
Starting point is 01:37:34 I loved it. So beginning was like really good and then it slowed down. I was getting bored and I was like, it's okay. I guess it's whatever. I'm not really. And then the monkeys thing happened and I was like, I will walk out. I swear to God. Stuck around a little bit and it improved so dramatically in my opinion that I gave the film an 8 out of 10 and
Starting point is 01:37:50 I probably would have given it a 10 out of 10 if they didn't do the monkeys thing and The big and and the beginning was a little bit stronger, you know movies music They tend to take the the shape of if the beginning in the end are awesome. It's really the middle is not too important It's how you feel when it starts and how you feel when it's over. This is the most important Well, generally if it starts strong and ends strong you have this relative success Let's get into some spoilers now I will stress the whole movie has already been spoiled because a few days ago before the movie came out a Review was leaked that basically laid out the entirety of the plot
Starting point is 01:38:22 Some people have tried making claims. There's an Israel-Palestine reference in it, there is not. The two nations that Superman stops from going to war is a wealthier Eastern European nation and a poorer tribal South Asian nation like India or Pakistan. I think they intentionally avoided making it look like were like, let's not make it easy. I think they intentionally avoided making it look like Ukraine and Russia or Israel-Palestine. So it's random countries. The map where it shows the countries are is a nondescript closeup, so you don't really know on the planet where it is.
Starting point is 01:38:57 And they're made up, they're made up countries. The conflict is that Superman feels he has the authority to engage in global affairs. And the US government is like, this is causing us problems, but we don't want to get, we don't want to intervene because Superman's largely good. And then basically the principal motivations
Starting point is 01:39:16 of Lex Luthor is, actually I would argue this, it actually kind of digs at communists and wokeness. If you really want to find a political message, Lex Luthor's motivation is that he is jealous. This is literally the plot. Superman has done nothing to earn his powers. He is naturally gifted and that's an affront to what it means to be someone who works so hard. And so these leftists who are upset at people who are naturally beautiful or white privilege, you never earned that, you didn't make it, it was done for you, is basically the motivations of the villain. I still wouldn't call it woke, like political in any way,
Starting point is 01:39:50 but if you really wanted to squeeze it in there. It sounds like they attempted to depoliticize it so extremely that they took truth, justice, and the American way out of it, and they replaced it with the human way. Like they deeply depoliticized it. I'm fairly certain never ending the movie was it ever brought up. really okay yeah that was what Dean
Starting point is 01:40:06 Kane tweeted about earlier that's what he was complaining I don't remember anywhere in the movie that that being said he was American propaganda Superman was American propaganda beginning the 30s and 40s you fight Red Skull beat up Nazis you know all about America it was a big big American yeah the if anything you can argue there's a like I think they did a pretty good job avoiding the pitfalls. So, okay, we'll get a little heavier into the spoilers just for you guys so you know.
Starting point is 01:40:31 Super, a war's about to break out. Superman stops the war from happening, causing an international incident. The Eastern European nation is aligned with the US. US corporations sell weapons to them, they're pissed. And the poorer nation is actually kind of a backwards bad country. And there's anger at Superman because he didn't, like, why, you don't have the authority to go around and just do whatever you want.
Starting point is 01:40:53 Lois Lane criticizes him, this is actually in the trailer, she's like, did you consider what the, what the, what was going to happen if you did this? And Superman is being criticized because there's negative repercussions after the fact that there's a reason why the US doesn't just intervene wherever they want, whenever they want, despite the fact they tend to. And Superman's unilateral actions can result in collateral damage after the fact and other conflicts. Did the military industrial complex complain about all their profit losses towards Superman and build a kryptonite weapon?
Starting point is 01:41:19 Okay, ready for more spoilers? Okay, I guess so. Lex Luthor was selling weapons to the Eastern European nation. And when Superman stopped the conflict, that put at risk Lex Luthor's $80 billion contract. I like this plot line, it's good. There's more to the plot than that. But early on when they're like,
Starting point is 01:41:37 why is Lex Luthor doing what he's doing? Basically Lex has an army of monkeys because he's antagonizing Superman. So is Lex Luthor? Army of monkeys thing, if it had been AI, if it had been an army of monkeys because he's antagonizing Superman. So is Lex Luthor. Army of monkeys thing, if it had been AI, if it had been an army of AI robots or just like a supercomputer doing it, would it have not been cheap?
Starting point is 01:41:51 Was it just that they were monkeys? The reason why James Gunn had interdimensional monkeys typing on Twitter was because he was intentionally insulting the people who got him canceled, which is Mike Cernovich. He's calling Mike a monkey. Oh, that's awesome. In a movie. I know, if I was Mike, I'd be laughing. Cernovich. He's calling Mike a monkey. Oh, that's awesome. In a movie.
Starting point is 01:42:05 I know, if I was Mike, I'd be laughing. Yeah, Cernovich. So basically, Lex Luthor is talking to Superman, and then he's like, and here's my network of monkeys, and then you see these computers hanging from racks with monkeys, and it actually shows the monkeys typing. There's this thing.
Starting point is 01:42:21 And they're typing things like, who could support Superman at this point? He's bad. The only reason that was in the film, because it's unrelated to literally anything in the plot, was that James Gunn wanted to say, the people who are posting nonsense hate on Twitter are monkeys. And there's that old adage of if you put a million monkeys in a room for a million hours, they they would write Shakespeare. Sure, but he had hardwired the brains of the monkeys to be able to type smart things and insults. Oh, he smartened the monkeys. They were wearing like helmets or something. Oh, but he had hardwired the brains of the monkeys to be able to type smart things and insults. Oh, he smartened the monkeys? They were wearing like helmets or something.
Starting point is 01:42:47 Oh, Lex Luthor. And I was gonna walk out. I was like, James, no, no. I like James Gunn's movies, okay? Guardians is awesome, Suicide Squad was good. And I had, look, I had read all the stuff saying it was gonna be woken about immigration. And I was like, I don't know if I believe it.
Starting point is 01:43:02 Then Sean Gunn said some stupid comments that were sounding political. James Gunn, what Brett was saying, and I could be wrong, I'll have to ask Brett later, but I'm pretty sure he was saying, the person who interviewed James Gunn took his comments out of context to try and make it political.
Starting point is 01:43:19 And I think there's a lot of people trying to make the movie political because, I don't know, online online zeitgeist hate on the movie and it was good. I thought it was, I thought it was great. I guess it Superman was political when they built him in the thirties, but it doesn't mean he'll always has to be political. Mr. Terrific saved the movie. Okay. I was so excited. I love the character. Mr. Terrific. Uh, for those that aren't familiar, he's a child prodigy who becomes a billionaire.
Starting point is 01:43:46 He becomes depressed after losing his family in an accident and then is convinced by some other superheroes to use his wealth and technology and resources to be a superhero himself. And he's got these things called T-sphere. So he basically walks around and he has drones that he uses to like project energy, force fields. He can like lift himself in the air.
Starting point is 01:44:03 He flies with them. Does it help him move faster? Like manual dexterity and stuff? No. That'd be cool. They hack stuff and he can see what they see in the cameras. So technically in the comics, like the spheres can do whatever plot device. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:44:16 I've been playing on Rimworld and there's this Technomancer class where he's got this ball that follows him around. I think the acting may have been a little dry, but the character is fantastic. And after the monkeys thing happened and I was so pissed off They gave us a mischievous fight scene. That was awesome. He fight the monkeys He did not but it was so cool to see Mr. Terrific using his technology taking on a bunch of bad guys and then I was like, okay I'm reinvested in this movie now and then it gradually improved from there metamorphose was really cool
Starting point is 01:44:43 I thought the metamorphose fight scene was scene was really great and the actor who played him nailed this character. I love it. Spoilers, okay? We're in spoilers. There's bad guys, not a heavy spoiler, but Metamorpho is surrounded by bad guys and they're like freeze and then his body turns to green bubbles and they go, what are you going to splash us? And he's like, yes, with sulfuric acid and then sprays them all and they're like, ah! Or it was like hydrochloric acid or something. Like it was great how they did Metamorpho. I thought it was-
Starting point is 01:45:14 He's kind of like a tepid nerd, Metamorpho's personality. The character was pretty like shy. Yeah, I like that. That's kind of Killian Murphy's scarecrow. I love that. He's like one of my favorite actors. Timid, timid.
Starting point is 01:45:26 Yeah. Well, maybe they, somebody, fan fiction, someone should AI create a scene where Superman goes into the monkey room and just heat rays all of them, blast them. There is one point someone brought up that I will address too. A major negative for the film that I knew the moment they did it, they couldn't correct it and they damaged the lore miserably and I'm pissed about but it so we as slain hope says they made Superman's real parents into space Nazis so what happens is this is politically relevant so I know it's a big spoiler but it's politically relevant in the beginning they don't give you an origin story for Superman they give you a scene where he's recovering and there's a robot being trained via like programming. So they're explaining to the robot, which is basically you, the audience.
Starting point is 01:46:15 So they're like, Superman likes to hear the message from his parents. It soothes him. And it's his parents. I think it was Bradley Cooper, by the way, which is awesome. And Jor-El. Jor-El. Jor-El. I mean, the problem is they ruined the character.
Starting point is 01:46:26 But anyway, the message is, we love you so much more than anything. We found a planet, Earth. We're sending you there. You can do the most good, be a strong man, and bring the truth of Krypton, and then the message is damaged. And he's like, I don't know what the rest of the message is,
Starting point is 01:46:41 but I will try to live up to that message. To be good and to bring the truth of Krypton so he becomes a superhero. Lex Luthor breaks in and his cybernetic henchmen, she's got nanobots, breaks into the mainframe and it was able to download the message and by downloading it recovers the corrupted data in which they go on to say, take as many wives as you can, have as many babies as possible. The humans are weak and stupid, and you can control them and enslave them and blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 01:47:11 And then the mom is like, take as many wives as you can and have many babies so that they will grow up with your DNA and bring the strength of Krypton, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, okay, that's ultra cringe. It wasn't overtly political, but it's not true to the characters. And it is insulting to what they could have done
Starting point is 01:47:34 with Jor-El, so I was not a fan of that. Jor-El, he was like a capitalist. He was like a rich guy on Krypton. He had wealth, because he could obviously send his son on a spaceship. No, they all kind of did. It was a highly advanced civilization. Because none of them had superpowers on it was only Earth's yellow sun that gives those
Starting point is 01:47:50 humans power, those people power. They were under a red sun. And he was a scientist. Jor-El is a scientist. And so then he knew the planet, he predicted the planet was going to be destroyed, but they didn't listen. So he sent his son off. And then they've evolved that story quite dramatically. They introduced Supergirl only briefly briefly at the end and it's that actress I can't remember her name, but people will probably be excited to see her as Supergirl. Okay I I'll just say this that was really really bad. It wasn't I it wasn't political. They're not space Nazis They're just the motivation of of Superman's parents is to repopulate
Starting point is 01:48:27 Kryptonians. And so they're like, take a hermit as many wives as you can, have many children. You gotta understand that means he could have like 700,000 women. You can move at lightning speed. I gotta say though, like- They have probably 100 million women. As much as that is cringe, the scene where Guy Gardner walks up to Superman and he's like, how many wives do you have, man? It's like Nathan Filling was amazing and it was really funny.
Starting point is 01:48:48 He was like, hey, is that true? How many wives do you got? And Superman's like, I don't have a bunch of wives. Because Lex Luthor was trying to destroy his reputation. Oh, but no one said deep fake. No one's like, no, it's a deep fake. My parents never would have said that. There were a few poorly written lines, which is Mr. Triffett
Starting point is 01:49:03 goes, I know these guys. I know these digital friends guys. It's a real message. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, come on. You could have written that better. You could have had them say maybe it was fake and they should have said it was fake. And then they could have recovered the character arc of Superman's parents. There's another scene where Trump is covered.
Starting point is 01:49:21 I'm Trump. Look at my brain. Superman, well, you know, it's a Freudian slip, that's how I envision the man. Superman is encased in nanites and he's about to crash into the earth and Lex Luthor goes, unsheath, he's the only one armored. And I'm like, the only one being protected
Starting point is 01:49:39 or something like that and I'm like, yo that line was a little heavy. What is he talking, unsheath, what does he mean? The nanite lady covers him in nanites. So then Superman flies towards the earth to crash. And then Lex Luthor yells, Unsheath, he's the only one being protected. Like he needed to tell the audience what it meant
Starting point is 01:49:57 and why this mattered. A little overt. The nanites? The point was that because he was covered, as he crashes into earth, he was being shielded by her attack on him. He had to tell the world, he had to explain it to the audience. He had to explain to the woman, but really to the audience. He didn't need to do that. It could have been written much much better.
Starting point is 01:50:11 But anyway, we got to go to your chats and all that, but I will just say, I think James Gunn might actually save the DC cinematic universe. It was great. It was really well done. And I'm mostly excited that they did not pander any stupid political ways. Superman is a white guy who the arguments were like higher level politics on when you can invade and when you can't invade. Nothing about being a white man. Nothing about money. Nothing about being a billionaire. None of that weird stupid garbage the left is trying to inject in it.
Starting point is 01:50:45 Literally not a thing about immigration. Never, the closest thing they got to immigration was Lex Luthor being like, you're just an alien. And then Superman says, no, I'm just a person. I wake up the same as you. You don't understand. And I'm like, that's fine. He didn't say you're an immigrant to my country
Starting point is 01:51:00 and my planet and you're ruining us. Immigration was never an issue. So do you think that do you think that came about because of the backlash in the well not not even just backlash but the financial just catastrophe that Snow White was for for Disney. Yeah. I mean okay you know because because that was that was fairly recent so I'm not sure how long this movie took to produce and make and and come out but okay we got to grab some
Starting point is 01:51:24 more rent so I'm trying to go quick. took to produce and make and come out. Okay, we gotta grab some more rants, so I'm trying to go quick. We had to put that in there, but anyway, smash the like button, share the show, head over to rumble.com slash timcastirl for the uncensored portion of the show coming up at 10. Let me try and grab as much as I can, because we got a good one here.
Starting point is 01:51:38 Seven Legion Studios says, hold on, the message from Jor-El makes the immigration message really based. The immigrant was sent to overthrow the local government and outbraid the local population. Yes! I was thinking exactly that. This is why I didn't like how they basically
Starting point is 01:51:53 muddied Jor-El. But I was thinking this when we were leaving, Lex Luthor's motivation is you never, he's like Galileo and Einstein and these individuals and they actually, he was like, I think he said something like as dim as they actually were, they actually did something. They contributed something and they earned it
Starting point is 01:52:14 to have their names remembered. You did nothing. Just by being an alien and being here, everyone says your name. And I'm like, that is communist right there. The ethos of these Marxists is you were born to wealth and privilege, you don't deserve it, you shouldn't have it, now take it from you. But not really in that Lex Luthor, like is a billionaire who built up, so it's not,
Starting point is 01:52:36 doesn't really play that way. But then I'm like Jor-El telling his child, the people of the country or of the planet are dumb, and to outbreed them, to rule over them and take as many wives as you can. I'm like, if that's the message of immigration James Gunn was sending to people, yikes. Yeah, that's a little- The immigrants are coming to take over your country by outbreeding you.
Starting point is 01:52:57 Didn't realize he was so right wing. I gotta be honest though, Nathan Fillion was amazing and the interaction about Superman having harems was really funny. Having harems. Lois Lane's like, I never believed it. It was good. Anyway, here we go.
Starting point is 01:53:14 AEI owned you says, Tim, one theory I have not seen. Bon Geno may be serious death threat, pliable. Thinking ahead, lull these F's into a false sense of security. Don't get me wrong. I'm pissed. I don't think so. The false sense of security stuff, I don't. When Prince Andrew had his investigation dropped, sounds like someone with weight told them what to do. And apparently it was a leaked memo. Another leaked memo.
Starting point is 01:53:40 The Prince Andrew thing. Yeah. Well, the more information comes out, out the better out the happier I am More happier the more information that comes out because then they can actually do something Like the more information that comes out about like Epstein. Yeah, but I Like the more you the more we learn about how letting them go. No, no, no, no, no, no, no No, go in on me. No, not at all Say miles as FYI the right at Kent the writers were also using slingshots to throw those rocks at the National Guard About that I was thinking about at what point because they were like throwing rocks as a rough
Starting point is 01:54:14 But it's not whore, but then like what about slings? You know you can kill someone with a sling Well, they were throwing rocks through the windshield of of ice Suburbans at one point I mean if that rock would have gone through the windshield and actually hit one of the ice agents in the head, I mean, that's the definition of deadly force. I mean, at that speed, throwing a huge boulder through the window. Melendez says, are you kidding me?
Starting point is 01:54:35 90s, Ruby Ridge, Waco, Oklahoma City. Fair point, but I would say, you also have the LA riots. So there was tumult, there was tumult. But I think it was the control of information as to why we feel this way in that every time you turn on the TV, the narrative was controlled and you felt stable.
Starting point is 01:54:55 It just felt more stable. I will say that even with those things, today, every day it's something new. It's like there's no escape from it. That's why Rudyard was saying, get off the internet and go hide. Yeah, yeah. Oh, what you were saying is like,
Starting point is 01:55:08 I don't wanna not pay attention. You have to pay attention. I think what it is is you need to feed back into the system. It is good to get away from the input and like just blockade the negativity so that you can grow and become healthy and then put into the data. Like you wanna give,
Starting point is 01:55:21 and I think video is the best way to do that. Text just is a wall of scratching, but video you hear the tone, you want to give and I think video is the best way to do that text just as a wall of scratching but video you hear the tone you see the eyeballs. So back there was a hit yourself there was a super chat on YouTube that said it like they liked Ian and it just disappeared literally as I was about to read it. It must have been a lie. They said every so often Ian says something I wholeheartedly agree with and then it just vanished like YouTube was like shit too much
Starting point is 01:55:42 too soon. Maybe you have delete that but I appreciate it All right, Quantum Strange Quark says Please get Doug Tenapal ten napple on the show He's an animator video game designer and Christian conservative YouTube deleted his channels a few years ago after media matters attacked him and they recently restored them and apologized. Whoa Amazing. What is his name? Doug?? Tanaple? 10, Napal. So it's T-E-N and then capital N-A-P-E-L. Big cheese is watching Superman
Starting point is 01:56:09 and I feel like I am watching the cartoon from when I was a kid in the nineties. It's awesome watching it now with my son. Guys, I'm telling you, it's like to be fair, the script is a little cluttered, you know? I don't know that I think someone will tell me like nerd Radek said, one thing happens, then one thing happens, so then one thing happens. And I'm like know that, I think someone was telling me, like Nerd-Roddick said, one thing happens,
Starting point is 01:56:26 then one thing happens, and then one thing happens, and I'm like, well, I wouldn't say it like that. Like, you can follow along why the things are happening. I did not like the intro at all. Well, I should say this. The very, very beginning, I was, so I'm in the theater, and I'm like, I just finished dinner, I better run to the bathroom right now, it's gonna start any minute. And so I run to the bathroom, and I'm in the theater and I'm like I just finished dinner. I better run to the bathroom right now
Starting point is 01:56:45 It's gonna start any minute And so I run to the bathroom and I'm thinking I gotta be there for the opening scene The opening scene is gonna be everything and I was very disappointed The opening scene was just landscape with text and I went oh come on the opening scene should have been of Superman It wasn't oh, yeah, it was it. It was text backstory for the recent plot. So it was like Superman stopped a war, this has led to some, you know, tumult, and then Superman, it's in the trailer,
Starting point is 01:57:14 he slams into the ground. I wonder if they talked about that and they were like, well we should do, cause they could've, they would've had to hire a young actor to play young Superman if they wanted to show him doing that stuff growing up. Maybe, that's a big hassle. I think they shouldn't do that because everyone tries
Starting point is 01:57:27 to do some kind of origin. We don't need that. What I will say is Lex Luthor was, I wish Lex Luthor had a little bit more testosterone. Nicholas Holt is a great actor. He's not as weasely as Jesse Eisenberg's Luther, but he is still kind of a, he had more anger and more force within him,
Starting point is 01:57:45 but he still isn't enough tea. Like I like the Superman cartoon, Lex Luthor, where he's tall, fit, and has a deep voice, like he's an imposing figure. Yeah, he's the president. He's gotta be. He becomes, yeah. He becomes the president, yeah.
Starting point is 01:57:59 But I also really love that Justice League line when he was running for president and the question confronts him and he's like, what's your plan, Luther? And he's like, why do you wanna be president? And he goes, do you have any idea how much power I would have to give up to be the president? And it was a great, his plight's like,
Starting point is 01:58:15 I don't wanna be the president. He was doing something else. It was damn Bongino, man. How much he gave up to be that. Indeed. Love you, Dan. But the way- You're not Lex Luthor, that's not what I'm saying, by the way. I love you.
Starting point is 01:58:26 So, I guess we're in spoiler territory. I don't know if somebody wants to... Superman spoiler? Lex Luthor is able to... Superman gets defeated. That's that scene in the trailer. Because Lex Luthor is coordinating the attacks against him. And I thought it was amazing.
Starting point is 01:58:43 I love the writing. Lex doesn't have the strength to beat Superman, but utilizing tools that he has to fight Superman with strength, but his mind behind it to control the fight, he beats Superman because he's smarter. So it's like, that was a great contrast to what Superman was versus Lex Luthor
Starting point is 01:58:59 and why Lex Luthor's such a great villain. He's an industrialist, super intelligent man. And Superman is this physically strong demi-god and Lex Luthor's able to feed him by his intelligence. And like the legal system, manipulating him. The power of capitalism. Just, but just the psychology. Lex is so smart.
Starting point is 01:59:20 He stands right up in front of Superman's face when Superman's super angry and he has no fear because he knows what motivates Superman and Superman's limitations. He knows Superman won't hurt him and can't so Lex can do whatever he wants. Does he want to kill Superman? In the comic books that is the principal goal of Lex Luthor. So, you know. But in the movie? I mean it's not even that important. I guess it's not really a spoiler.
Starting point is 01:59:45 Like the movie is literally, that's why I'm saying it's not political. The movie is literally Lex Luthor's like, I must kill Superman. He didn't say it like that. There's, it's well written, his motivations and his anger. And there's a scene where Superman says, he literally says, he's like, everything about you, Lex,
Starting point is 02:00:02 it's envy. And then Lex yells, he's like, do you think I'm dim? I know I'm driven by envy. That's exactly what this is about. I thought that was amazing. He's self-aware, highly emotional, and will tell you to your face. Like Lex is introspective and angry.
Starting point is 02:00:19 I thought it was fantastic. You know, there's a type of evil, the ignorant evil, where they think they're doing good. Then there's the malicious evil where they know they're doing evil. Let's read one more super chat from Raymond G. Stanley Jr. Says, I's a type of evil, the ignorant evil, where they think they're doing good. Then there's the malicious evil where they know they're doing evil. Let's read one more super chat from Raymond G Stanley Jr. says, I'm a bad person. I lolled when the when Lex's interview of the street vendor ended sooner than expected. So unexpected.
Starting point is 02:00:35 I'd like the movie, but the message from his parents really hurts the movie like a lot. Yeah. But let's just say there's a scene where a street vendor is being, let's just say there's a scene where a street vendor is being, let's just say, interviewed by Lex Luthor while Superman is incapacitated, and it ends rather abruptly because Lex Luthor is a villain and you should not be laughing, but Raymond was laughing.
Starting point is 02:01:02 Anybody who's seen the movie, they're going, oh jeez. It's still kind of funny. All right, my friends, we're going to go to the uncensored portion of the show. So smash the like button, share the show with everyone you know. It's going to be at rumble.com slash Timcast IRL. Don't miss it. You can follow me on accent Instagram at Timcast. Nick, do you want to shout anything out? Yeah, absolutely. Just everybody just don't forget about the people down there in Texas. This happens every single time there's a natural disaster. These people end up being abandoned.
Starting point is 02:01:26 And once they're abandoned, the government has no incentive to actually get these people back up on their feet, or at least help to do so. So if you're praying in person, say a prayer for them tonight. And everybody down there definitely appreciates their support. I'm not gonna ride your jock too much, bro, but you went out of Texas like day one. And I mean you were like a hero with the with the
Starting point is 02:01:48 Getting the starlink for the people the people in rescue Your work. I mean if you don't follow Nick Sorter yet the last watching you bloom over the last couple years has been really Thanks, I appreciate that It's non-stop, bro. It's it's really really great., thanks a lot, Nick, for coming and check Nick out on Twitter for sure. I'm Ian Crossland, so follow me out wherever you want, and I'll see you later. I am on Twix at Phil That Remains. The band is all that remains. You can check us out on YouTube, Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify, and Deezer. And don't forget the left lane is for crying. We will see you all over at rumble.com slash timcast IRL in about 30 seconds.
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