Timcast IRL - Leftist Journo THREATS Spark PANIC After UnitedHealth ASSASSINATION w/Amber Duke

Episode Date: December 6, 2024

Tim, Phil, & Shane are joined by Amber Duke to discuss Blue Cross Blue Shield reversing course on a policy after veiled threats by a leftist journalist, Taylor Lorenz defending her celebrating the dea...th of UnitedHealthcare CEO because "it's natural," David Hogg being roasted for considering a run for DNC vice chair, and CoffeZilla making a video exposing Hawk Tuah Girl's crypto scheme. Amber Duke is an American political commentator, known for her conservative views and her work as the former Washington editor for The Spectator and a co-host on "Rising" at The Hill. Hosts:  Tim @Timcast (everywhere) Phil @PhilThatRemains (X) Shane @ShaneCashman (everywhere) Serge @SergeDotCom (everywhere) Guest: Amber Duke @ambermarieduke (X) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Following the threats from many leftists and most prominently a former corporate journalist and just all around strange person, Taylor Lorenz. Interestingly, the exact criticism that she posted of the exact company she was targeting has now backtracked following the assassination of the CEO of United Health. So to put it simply, the CEO of UnitedHealth. So to put it simply, the CEO of UnitedHealth has been assassinated. New information suggests this may be ideologically motivated. One of the bullets they found had a cryptic message written on it that harkens to a book about how insurance companies are screwing people over. Taylor Lorenz then posted on social
Starting point is 00:00:42 media how she and many others want more of this, then posted an explanation for why they did, and then posted an image and the name of the CEO of Blue Cross. And now, surprise, surprise, the very policy that was being critiqued has been reversed. It's kind of a shocking revelation, to say the least. Leftists are engaging in what I would describe as terrorism on the Internet after a guy was murdered. And they're celebrating it. And it seems like these companies are very, very terrified. So we'll talk about that. Plus, there's just a lot of stuff going on.
Starting point is 00:01:15 We got a lot of stories. I know, guys, you're going to cringe. But Hawk2 is being accused of a pump and dump securities fraud scheme type deal. We briefly talked about it yesterday, but it's erupting now with mainstream coverage and law firms advertising to people who have lost their money in this scheme. So we'll talk about that. And generally, this assassination story is getting crazy because it does look like it might be ideologically motivated.
Starting point is 00:01:42 And the police have released an image of someone they say is a person of interest, not the suspect. And everybody just immediately assumed that person of interest meant suspect. I imagine there's going to be a lot of lawsuits and people are going to get sued by this person for a lot of money. But we'll talk about all that. Before we get started, my friends, head over to boonieshq.com. And if you go to the Boonies store, you can pick up a skateboard. Why would you? Well, we have a variety of amazing little images.
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Starting point is 00:03:01 have that beautiful members-only segment for you tonight at 10 p.m., where you as members get to call in. And this is the big deal right now, guys. If you become a member of Timcast dot com for at least twenty five dollars, you will receive an honorary verbal doctorate right now from me. The moment you do, you're credited, not literally academically or any kind of legal way. I'm just saying I give you credit. Thank you. And you can put doctor in front of your name because if you've got these people claiming that fictional smells are racist and that warrants them being called doctor, certainly being a member of timcast.com
Starting point is 00:03:32 warrants much, much more. In fact, I gotta be honest. If you're a member of timcast.com, I think that's more evidence you are well-educated compared to this person who claimed fictional smells are racist. But I appreciate her giving me the opportunity to do a sales pitch for my website.
Starting point is 00:03:45 So smash that like button, share the show with everyone you know, become a member, like I said. Joining us tonight to talk about this and everything else is Amber Duke. Hey, thanks for having me back. I'm Amber Duke. I'm the Washington editor for The Spectator
Starting point is 00:03:55 and the author of The Snowflakes Revolt, How Woke Millennials Hijacked American Media. I'm also a co-host of The Hills Rising, as well as free media at Reason TV. Right on, thanks for hanging out. Shane's here. What's up? I love The Spectator. I am Shane Cashman. I'm the host of Inverted World Live every Sunday at 6 o'clock. This Sunday, I have Joe Allen from The War Room to come on to talk about the incoming cyborg apocalypse.
Starting point is 00:04:17 And I also have a rancher who has experienced cow mutilations calling in. So find us there Sunday at 6 o'clock. What's up, Phil? How you doing? Cyborgs, huh? They're coming. They're here already, but more of them are on the way. Like robots and stuff like that.
Starting point is 00:04:30 Cyborgs are different than robots. Elon's making androids. Elon is one, but yeah. Cyborgs are a mix of people and... Like a humanoid. Yeah, okay. Cybernetic organism. Elon would say we actually are already cyborgs
Starting point is 00:04:41 because of our technology. It's possible. It's possible. I am Phil Labonte, the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains. I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary. So let's talk about news stuff. Here's the big story from the Daily Mail. Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield makes major U-turn following the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.
Starting point is 00:05:01 All right. There's a lot to break down to understand the severity of this story. So as you all know, the other day, early in the morning, we saw the CEO of the largest health insurer in the country get gunned down. 635, I think it was. And many people are saying it looks like it might have been a pro. New information has come out that a cryptic message was scrolled onto the casings of one of the rounds. In the video, you can see the guy is firing and then cycling the weapon and ejecting live rounds. And it does appear, now I've watched a couple more
Starting point is 00:05:31 of these expert gun guy videos. They said, no, it looks like it's malfunctioning. One of the, I believe it was one of the live rounds had a phrase scrawled on it. And it said, depose, deny, defend, which is similar to delay, deny, defend, the name of a book about screwing about how insurance companies are screwing people over. So it certainly seems like this is leaning
Starting point is 00:05:50 more towards the ideological motivation. That being said, if this was just a hit, they'd want it to look like it was politically motivated to throw the scent off their trail. Now, what does that have to do with Blue Cross backtracking? This goes to Taylor Lorenz, a former Washington Post reporter. I mean, this is the corporate press here. She doesn't work there anymore. And she made a series of posts on social media, one in which she referenced Blue Cross specifically. This post said Blue Cross Blue Shield in Connecticut, New York and Missouri has declared it will no longer pay for anesthesia for the full length of some surgeries. If the procedure goes over a certain time, anesthesia will not be covered. And she responded that I'm not going to read her quote, but she said that's why that's why
Starting point is 00:06:32 she and everyone else she has had. We want these executives, if you know what I mean. So she she literally stated it. She then went on. I don't know if they actually have the full post. She then went on to actually post the image of the CEO of Blue Cross over another story asserting the same thing. That is to say, it looks like what what could only look. These are veiled terroristic threats, to put it simply. And it worked. So I guess. Wow, that's shocking and terrifying. The Daily Mail says Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield has reversed a policy change that would have seen them tie payments in some states the length of a time a patient went under anesthesia. The insurance company was one of the largest health insurance companies in the country,
Starting point is 00:07:17 backtracked on the move following widespread outcry. Or perhaps it was Taylor Lorenz saying that she wanted these people to die, making a long post about how many people want them to die, and then posting the image of the woman for everyone to see, while scores of leftists across social media are saying more, more, more. Maybe it's just terrorism. It's definitely terrorism. It sets a horrible, horrible precedent. Obviously, I get it if people are concerned for their safety, that makes perfect sense. But there are a lot of security companies out there. There's a lot of people that are in the business of protecting people. I was talking about this earlier. It
Starting point is 00:07:58 doesn't matter. Security companies don't matter, right? So the issue with what they're doing with these threats, I'll explain it very simply. There was a security incident with me in Nashville. We were hanging out with John Rich on the show. I said, hey, let's go to your honky tonk and let's play a show. And he said, let's do it. And then we announced like it's going to be a big show. John Rich, country music star. I'll be there. I play music, too. And someone showed up pretending to be security, asking about weird information. Whole thing got shut down. I said, screw these people. They're not going to scare me.
Starting point is 00:08:34 I'm not going to be threatened out of doing a show. And I was told, Tim, there are children walking down the street. If a crazy person shows up with a weapon and there's a crossfire, these kids could get hurt. We can't do it. You cannot do this. So when these people put out these threats to these CEOs, it's not so simple to just say the CEOs can get security. Because that CEO means they can't go out to a picnic with their kids at the park. They can't go on a boat ride.
Starting point is 00:08:58 They can't go on a cruise. Because one crazy person, like this guy targeting the CEO, it was early in the morning. But what is this New York? What if there are crowds so they can have all security in the world and someone can show up and just unload into a crowd and then innocent people get hurt? The threats from these far leftists cannot be tolerated. I think I think Taylor Lorenz. Oh, yeah. Do you let me ask you guys. I mean, do you think Taylor Lorenz should should face some kind of criminal or civil penalty for doing this? I think so. And I think it's insane that she worked at both The Washington Post and The New York Times before that and was heralded as basically the go-to reporter for internet trends for at least five or six years. She, remember, was the person who put Kellyanne Conway's daughter into the spotlight and used a child to advance her liberal activism. And now she has
Starting point is 00:09:46 tucked tail away from the corporate media and blame them, even though they're the ones who gave her a platform for, I guess, everything that's going wrong in politics. But it's absolutely disgusting. And we have seen the consequences of this type of rhetoric with what happened to Trump, right? I mean, it's a perfect analogy with the Butler rally, which you're talking about, Tim, because there was someone who died in the crowd because of that shooter in Butler, Pennsylvania. And there were other people there who were completely innocent, who had nothing to do with the president, who were injured. So these types of threats, this type of behavior is not just relegated to the person that they want to target in their crosshairs. And it's the exact same type of
Starting point is 00:10:26 connection that they make too, right? It's, well, this person is somehow directly responsible for my life being crap. And so I have to kill them in order to affect change rather than going through the normal democratic process. Or in this case, if you're talking about corporations, boycotting or picketing or protesting or literally anything short of being physically violent. I like that she exposes herself as being this bloodthirsty. I like seeing I like seeing exactly how she feels, because this is, to me, an extension of the summer of violence where they their preferred language is violence. And that's how they want to affect policy. I think it's horrible despicable i think she's a gross human being uh you know it's funny i bet washington post and where did you work did you work at the atlantic i think that's right did you work at new york
Starting point is 00:11:13 times it was atlantic then new york times then washington post i believe all the greatest she's been everywhere yeah i bet they regret hiring her do you i don't know i think they like these people no no like the story at was Washington Post was that the veteran journalists were freaking out that they hired some millennial-y writer. Activist. If she's even a millennial. That's true. We don't know her age. True that.
Starting point is 00:11:35 That's why she wears a mask. Allegedly 50 years old. Here's a tweet from Jarvis Best on X who said, I love Taylor Lorenz so much because she spends half her time wishing death on her enemies and the other half complaining about online bullying. So true. Wow. I mean, it's true. It's typical of the left, though.
Starting point is 00:11:53 I mean, you hear, like you referenced, the summer of love, the idea that by any means necessary, which Tim's talked about, that's an actual organization, you know, by any means necessary. The idea that you have to respect a variety of tactics, I think is what they say. Diversity of tactics. Diversity of tactics. These are all things that are typical of the left. Violence is not actually something that comes from the right frequently, though it does happen. It's usually leftist violence. It's usually lower grade violence than right-leaning violence. Right-leaning violence is
Starting point is 00:12:31 more about trying to actually cause damage, whereas leftist violence is frequently just trying to scare people and intimidate people, which they've effectively done. To corporations, to politicians, through the Summer of Love, and then to connect that to what Tim's saying about collateral damage. Look at the no-go zones that they were taking over. You know, kids were losing their lives. They were getting gunned down in these spots. Random people drove through and they're getting shot at. This is tough for me because Taylor Lorenz didn't explicitly state on her page, hey, I want something to happen to this person. Right. And so I think the interpretation is clear. And the question is, do we tolerate Taylor Lahren saying, hey, she has like this this
Starting point is 00:13:11 long explanation about why these executives are bad and everyone agrees. She then says she wants them dead. And then she posts a picture of another CEO. I'm like, I don't know. I feel like she didn't explicitly state something that should happen. And she's dancing on the line. We can't set the precedent, I don't know. I feel like she didn't explicitly state something that should happen. And she's dancing on the line. We can't set the precedent, I think, of arresting her or arresting her. You know, I think that's tough.
Starting point is 00:13:33 It is tough because it's gruesome. It's ghoulish. Maybe we have to consider the context around a CEO just got assassinated and then she did this. And that is where we say, hey, yeah, she is advocating for this. She wants it to happen. Right. I mean, look, when you literally say we want more of this and then post a photo, I think that's fair to argue.
Starting point is 00:13:51 That's that's a threat to me. Straight up. Yeah. That's a threat. When you say we want more of this. Yeah. Then I have to say, like, if man, I guess Blue Cross feels the same way. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:14:03 They were like, this is a threat. We're going to reverse our policy. I mean, they're saying because of an outcry, but imagine you're the CEO and you're like, I mean, it wasn't just happened. It was a crap policy to start, to be fair. These places need some major change. But hold on. I mean, this is the challenge I have with it.
Starting point is 00:14:19 We don't even know what the policy is other than some leftist said, here's my thoughts on it and then advocated for murder. I wanted to bring this up because I'm sort of reactionary. So when I hear everyone saying the same thing directionally about a policy, I'm like, okay, well, let's find out what the policy actually is. And I was looking at some community notes on X related to this. Shout out to community notes, by the way, amazing feature. But people were explaining that they were actually updating their standards for anesthesiology claims to the same standards that are employed by the CMS through Medicare and Medicaid. So they were actually going
Starting point is 00:14:51 by the government's timelines for how long surgeries are supposed to last. And there's a cap on it for what Medicare and Medicaid will pay out based on those time limits. And because of the level of insurance fraud that apparently they were facing from anesthesiologists, which is apparently pretty common, that's why they changed the policy. So, I mean, far be it from me to defend a giant insurance company, but it seems like we weren't really being told all of the details about what exactly they were doing and why. And Taylor's just celebrating the death. Yeah. Right. We don't, there's so many reasons that United Health has issues and we don't even know why he was killed.
Starting point is 00:15:24 Right. Because there's a lot, he's got personal things going on, estranged from the wife uh the investigation for his wife yeah insider trading he he sold off what was it like 31 percent of his shares 11 days before the investigation went public made 15 million dollars on it so that's all weird and then but they're also in trouble a year or two ago for using ai that had a 90 error rate that reported that there AI that had a 90% error rate. Our technique reported that. There's a million different things going on. A 90% error rate, and it delayed, denied.
Starting point is 00:15:50 Right, right, right. Well, let's jump to this next story. Well, I will briefly mention before we move on. Taylor Lorenz defended her seller. Okay, let's just, we'll talk about this because we have to. Okay, this is from Mediaite. Taylor Lorenz defends her celebration of Brian Thompson's murder, saying it's natural. It's natural if you're a demon.
Starting point is 00:16:08 Let me read this. This is, these people are mind-blowingly evil and stupid. Former New York Times and Washington Post journalist Taylor Lorenz defended her celebration of the assassination of Brian Thompson. On Wednesday in the hours immediately following Thompson being shot, Lorenz expressed her dismay with health industry saying, and people wonder why we want these executives. If you know what I mean, I'm not going to read her full statement. She wanted to share celebratory graphics that she said were being spammed in
Starting point is 00:16:34 her group chats. It's a picture of a star smiling and it says CEO down. And she's like, that's just what my group chat sharing. What group chat are you in, dude? Anyway, unsurprisingly, her joy over the extinguishment of Thompson's life drew criticism. After providing some examples of others dancing on Thompson's grave while only mentioning one of her many enthusiastic quotes, she addressed the backlash, saying, quote, naturally, the mainstream media began pearl clutching it in outrage after I posted a quote tweet about insurance companies no longer paying for certain anesthesia with the phrase, and people wonder why we want these executives, you know, and then she goes into mention not being alive anymore. Legacy media outlets, including Fox News, pounced and wrote a slew of articles about my calls for violence. Let me be super clear. My post uses
Starting point is 00:17:18 a collective we and is saying the public's explaining the public sentiment. It is not me personally saying I want these executives dead. And I'm not going to read her quote. I'm explaining thousands of Americans, myself included, are fed up with our barbaric health care system and the people at the top who rake in millions while inflicting pain, suffering and the death on millions of innocent people. So basically, she said, oh, I can't believe they're mad at me. I wasn't saying I wanted it to happen. I'm saying I, as well as other people, wanted it to happen.
Starting point is 00:17:45 She was speaking for all of us. Not for me. Thanks, Taylor. Definitely not for me. Before we move on, there's one thing that I want to point out, though. The problems that people face with our health care system go way beyond insurance. There's no reason for you to need to have insurance just to go see a regular doctor for a checkup. Most people should
Starting point is 00:18:05 be able to afford that. Like it's not necessary. It's not necessary for things to cost as much as it does as they do. And if it wasn't for the fact that insurance and healthcare is tied to employment, insurance, you need insurance for literally anything that you do. If all these barriers to entry were not, didn't exist. Healthcare in the U.S. would be significantly cheaper. So it's easy to point at the big company and say it's their fault, but it's not actually, it's not exclusively the big companies. The big government in and of itself is directly responsible for a lot of the policies that doctors have to follow
Starting point is 00:18:42 that make it necessary to have the big companies and stuff involved in everyday health care. One of the problems I take with the far left is that they implement the government regulations that create the insurance companies mechanisms. Absolutely. The insurance companies, of course, have revolving door lobbyists who want to get jobs in the government and then get jobs these companies but it is the angry left saying more government regulations creating the system that they then complain about and then use to justify death to to that point back in the 90s ibm had zero lobbyists and they were proud of that they talked about it all the time we don't have anyone in dc because they did have the opinion that we don't need to go to the government until the government came
Starting point is 00:19:25 after them and said we're gonna sue you as a monopoly and then they're like well what are we gonna do if we're we're a successful business we're just doing business we make computers it's not like people don't have the option to go somewhere else because ibm in the 90s isn't ibm today bill gates was rich but he wasn't as powerful and rich as he is today. And so the only option they had was to get lobbyists to hire lobbyists. So that way the government wouldn't come after them. So I was looking at old videos from a few years ago about United Health and their issues. And people were referring to them as like an alternate government because of how big they become. I think that's really interesting.
Starting point is 00:20:02 They have more money than J.P. Morgan. It's a it's a huge thing if that's true but at the same time i heard today that their margin is something like two percent so granted the dude made which is why they have ai cutting people so they can make money you know the dude made the dude the guy that i guess that got killed made like 10 million dollars a year and it's an exorbitant amount of money but because of the the margin they work on again two percent like that's spending a lot of money to make the money that big and for most for ceos of a company that big with that much of uh revenue that's actually not a 10 million dollars is not that exorbitant actually
Starting point is 00:20:38 yeah i mean if you compare it to other companies of similar size i mean you're never going to tell a leftist that that's broke and you're never going to tell them that and they're going to say, okay, yeah, you're right. Well, they blame everybody else for their problems and this is completely unsurprising. I mean, Taylor Lorenz and her ilk are the same kind of people who basically wish death on people who didn't get vaccinated during COVID and said that it's their fault that she's getting sick and she has to raw
Starting point is 00:20:57 dog the air to this day. Embarrassing. It is embarrassing. You know, and it's funny that she's kind of getting the brunt of this story, but she is one of the most prominent individuals who has directly engaged in what I would call veiled terrorism. They veiled because she didn't literally say, go do it, but we all kind of got the gist of what she was saying, right? I mean, you're dealing with like,
Starting point is 00:21:17 or if you're dealing with people that are, you know, on the edge of society, maybe they have borderline mental illness or something like that. And you're like, go saying these things like they're, they're going to pick up what you're putting down. And that's who their base is. Their base.
Starting point is 00:21:32 If you look at studies of white liberals, it's something like two thirds of them have been diagnosed with a mental illness compared that's white liberals compared to white conservatives. It's something like 20 to 25%. So they literally are speaking to a collective group of mentally ill people who would be more predisposed to engaging in this kind of behavior. They're hopped up on SSRIs, all types of good stuff. So, yeah, one of the things that really irks me about a lot of these people, well, the left in general, the organizers, the activists, people I've met, they are not stupid people. No, they know how finance works.
Starting point is 00:22:07 They know how much money takes to run a business. They're intelligent. They just they're nihilistic. During Occupy Wall Street, they explained it outright to me. They understand everything that's going on. They just don't think anything matters. So why should they care about you or your life? This is like the Hillary Clinton mentality.
Starting point is 00:22:24 I'm smart. You're dumb. I should just make you do things for me. And so it results in really stupid people not knowing how money works. And they say things like the CEO of this major, this Fortune 500 company got paid $12 million last year and the workers are only getting $15 an hour. And then I'm like, all right, let's stop. How many employees does that company have? And they'll be like, I don't know, 40,000.
Starting point is 00:22:50 All right, let's divide 12 million by 40,000. How much money do you want to give to the employees? Now, I'm not saying it's good if CEOs are ripping off the company and like doing bad things, selling stocks before investigations or whatever would be happening. But it's like, you're not talking about solutions. You're just saying, I'm mad. And then when we say, here's a solution, you burn the solution and say, I don't want a solution. I want to be mad. Yeah, because the solution that they actually want is, I want the world, I want a communist utopia. Well, but think about what that is, right? The people who want communist utopia are not saying they want a communist utopia. They're saying, I don't want to do any work and I want to be able to live and just chill.
Starting point is 00:23:27 Yeah, that's really what they're saying. So we had, you know, we had a meeting today with Ian and a couple of video producers. And we're talking about, like, how do we make movies and shows and like, what are the cultural moves you need to make? And I'm sitting there thinking to myself, like, these guys are motivated and want to get stuff done. You don't need communism if you're a person who just wants to do work, if you have drive and ambition, because the money comes with the ambition that you have. And it may be, maybe you're a working class guy and you're struggling to get by and it's tough, but your motivation is, I got a family and I'm going to feed my family. I'm going to work as
Starting point is 00:24:00 hard as I have to do it. You don't need communism. You are going to do what you have to do. The communists are the people who are like, i don't want to wake up yeah i mean like not for nothing but like the i was doing exactly what i do here on twitter for like 12 years 13 years before i came and joined the crew here doing exactly the same thing and even if i wasn't here you know know, every night, every night of the week, I would still be doing this on Twitter because that's what I did before. You know, it's just, this is, this is recreation to me. And their idea of getting paid not to work would actually make their mental health issues worse. I mean, I think there's inherent value
Starting point is 00:24:39 in work and toil and in being productive. And the idea that you would sit around all day doing literally nothing, like the idea that that would give more purpose to your life or make you better off is so backwards. Isolation was so destructive during lockdowns. Oh yeah. But this is the crazy thing that for whatever reason, the liberal worldview is work equals bad. Right.
Starting point is 00:24:58 And I'm like, work is life. And there, and it's weird that we developed this culture where they're like, whoa, man, your work is your life. What's wrong with you, dude? culture where they're like, whoa, man, your work is your life. What's wrong with you, dude? And I'm like, a guy 300 years ago who grew up with his dad,
Starting point is 00:25:11 who was a blacksmith, was not upset that someone came to him and said, I need a new sword. And he was like, I know how to make them. Check it out. And then makes it. And they're like, this is the finest sword I've ever seen. It's like, thank you, sir. It made you feel good. Made you feel a part of society. You were useful. And for some reason, over the past several decades, we've developed this like drugged out hippie mentality of like, life should be just like laying around and looking at the sky. What?
Starting point is 00:25:36 They'll be in the fields when they get their utopia of communism. Oh, they don't get it. Yeah. Three body problem. Have you guys seen it? It went viral a while ago because it's it's a netflix show and it opened with the with the culture revolution in china and it's it's it's epic and because it's so old i'm going to spoil a bit of it but you've got this this red guard woman beating
Starting point is 00:25:55 a guy a professor for refusing to give him the answers they want on stage he's got a dunce camp on later on this woman has she has her hand her she's her hand has been amputated and she's breaking rocks in a field these lefty communists don't realize let me ask you you don't want to work what skills do you have what passions drive you nothing okay break rocks because the dude who knows how to program program computers the communists are going to be like okay program computers and then you say but i just want to like read and do poetry. Break rocks, and they're going to put you in a quarry. They're going to say, do the labor you can do because to each according to their needs, from each according to their, what is it?
Starting point is 00:26:35 From each according to their means. From each according to their ability to each according to their needs. Yeah, there you go. And that means, what are you good at and what can you do? Okay, well, we'll give you a little bit of food. And the only thing you're capable of doing for the system is going to be menial labor. Congratulations. You've got everything you've ever wanted. It's interesting that they don't teach the cultural revolution
Starting point is 00:26:53 in a lot of colleges or schools. Like you grow up, a lot of people don't just know about what happened with Mao. They don't know what happened with Stalin. Oh, for sure it's intentional because they want to implement it. If you know the consequences, you might be afraid to go down that utopian route. Let's jump to this story from the New York Post. Uh-oh. They say grinning suspect in UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson's murder seen in newly released pics. The police did not say this was a suspect. So I'm going to hit refresh on this and see if they've changed the headline.
Starting point is 00:27:23 Indeed, they did not. The the NYPD Crimestoppers said this is a person of interest who was seen staying at a at a hostel on the Upper West Side. It is not the same jacket. It is not the same backpack. Many people are saying, but wait, wait, let me I'll just actually show you the photo. Here's the photo of the assassin from Crimestoppers with the gray backpack, the black hoodie with the mask on. I would say based on this grainy photo, I can't really tell. But let me know if you guys agree. This person looks to be middle aged. Do you think so? No, I think they look younger than that. You think that person looks younger? Could be younger too. Yeah, I don't. I look at the hands and I see the white, the discoloration. And I say, I think that person's probably early, maybe mid-40s or older.
Starting point is 00:28:08 Could be 50. It is cold outside, though. That's true. But younger people don't have. So that white on the hands is much more common in older people. I could be wrong. I could be wrong. But I look at this and they're clearly not the same person either way.
Starting point is 00:28:23 Literally just not the same person. And everybody saw this and just immediately assumed it was the suspect when the police said it was a person of interest and this person looks very different i gotta be completely honest looks like a mask to me a mask like a cia mask ever seen those crazy latex masks yeah latex masks actually that looks like that face looks weird and And that nose is massive. No disrespect. I don't know who this person is. If it's just like some random guy staying at a hostel and he's like, dude, stop breaking up my nose. But that that that could make sense if seriously, if he's professional, he's not been found yet. We know these things have existed for decades. But you can buy these masks on the Internet for dirt cheap. Instagram wants me to buy one all the time.
Starting point is 00:29:03 Like I'm like, I'm not getting one. I'm not doing anything crazy yeah i don't know if it was luke who bought it i think luke luke bought uh a muscle suit a silicon muscles it was that was it luke who bought that it was like a joke and a big fake boo there was that one yeah yeah there was and how could you forget dude and the weirdest thing is someone also bought a pregnancy belly that's weird that is very weird i'm like i would maybe that's what he wore to get away. But hold on. But they do do this stuff. Exactly. I mean, think about it.
Starting point is 00:29:28 If you're an assassin and you've got a backpack on, you just pulled this off. People are saying, I bet he changed his clothes. I'm like, imagine if he was wearing like a muscle suit to make him look bigger. So in the photos, they're looking for a guy, looking for a guy who's about six feet tall with a muscular build. And then he goes into an alley and he pulls this silicon suit off, shoves it into a backpack and puts on a button up
Starting point is 00:29:49 and then like ditches the backpack in a garbage or something. 100%. I really believe that. You can go on YouTube and see a ton of videos of former, I don't believe in former CIA agents, but former CIA agents doing the mask thing. And they show you how it's effective.
Starting point is 00:30:02 There's a lady doing one. There's that guy who's on uh on lex friedman's podcast talking about it a while back i mean and united health is a giant thing that's what i'm saying like if they were considered like an alt government type giant thing this is a huge job whoever it is and you got to get away and it's you're in the new york city a surveillance state yeah look at this I just, I just searched for real face masks. Yeah. Dude,
Starting point is 00:30:27 they're crazy. That is crazy. Yeah, dude. I don't know that I have an opinion on whether or not that guy was wearing a mask, but like in New York or in New York city, especially at the time of day,
Starting point is 00:30:39 like six 45 in the morning, right? Like you, you can, you know, get on the subway and very quickly. Yeah. Well, that's who he went to central park and you know get on the subway and very quickly yeah well that's who he went to central park and you can get on the subway or whatever and get to an airport real quick and he had a bike that wasn't like a marked i guess city bike like they thought it was a city
Starting point is 00:30:56 bike at first and he it was another bike oh it wasn't okay like this is pretty planned out i think and i see these people on like fox talking about well he was not a professional because he went to starbucks but what if he had a mask on to throw it off? It could be a crazy plan. There was a report today, too, that he gave a fake ID when he was checking in at the hostel. So, I mean,
Starting point is 00:31:15 it's obviously pre-planned. They're probably not going to get this guy. Well, yeah, it was clearly pre-planned. There's a bike waiting for him. Not even locked up. He walked over, jumped on it, and rode away. That's crazy. So here's where it gets crazy. Part of this story that broke last night was that a message was found inscribed on one of the bullet casings.
Starting point is 00:31:34 Listen to this. Fox 5, good day, New York. First on the scene, we saw as officers attempted to give this man CPR, those desperate moments. But again, this victim victim the man who was shot in the chest has died this all happened about 6 45 in the morning outside of the hilton hotel right off sixth avenue this suspect described as a six foot tall man with a slim build possibly wearing a cream colored jacket black gloves he took off northbound on sixth avenue people who witnessed this situation there were actually two or three people who saw it.
Starting point is 00:32:07 They said that it appeared that... Oh, I'm sorry. I pulled up the old one. My bad. This is from yesterday. The message actually ended up getting released, and that was the... Let me pull up the story here. That's my bad. Let's see. Here we go. I thought I had the right tweet pulled up. That's my bad uh let's see here we go i thought i had the right tweet pulled up that's my bad here we go the the message that was scrawled on it was deny depose and defend engraved on live
Starting point is 00:32:34 rounds and shell casings and this is uh appears to be an allusion to the book delay deny defend uh subtitled why insurance companies don't pay Claims and What You Can Do About It. Police are looking at possible ties to the book as well as more general references to the health industry as a potential motive. I got to be honest. Could it be there's there's two ways to look at it. Depose, deny, defend could be after litigation, deposition, this person was basically advancing delay, deny, defend because he went through something personally or a loved one did? Or is this intentionally trying to mislead people and he actually got the name of the book wrong when he scrawled the message on the bullets because he doesn't actually know what the book is? I think it's just all on the nose. I don't know, but it's too early to tell, you know, but he was, you know, under investigation. And so when people find out about
Starting point is 00:33:32 that and they see the shell casings with the words, everyone's gonna be like, well, that makes sense. But there was so much going on in his personal life and in his business life, it's impossible to know, you know, what's going on. I mean, I suppose it's possible that it was to dis a, what's it called? A red herring. To get the attention off of what the actual motive was. Deflect, there you go. But I mean, usually I would still consider
Starting point is 00:34:01 the fact that it was written on the casings as a lead to follow. Oh, you still got to follow it. I just, my gut is saying it's not real. You know, but I don't know. Anything is possible. And I also want to say, I don't think he's the assassin CIA. I'm just saying that he was using possible CIA tactics, you know, as a professional hitman.
Starting point is 00:34:24 Yeah. Allegedly to go about escaping he didn't look like when you look watch the video of him doing the actual shoot he didn't look like he was scared and i if it was like a first time kind of thing or if it was like his kid was the reason that he was doing it like kid got to denied or his wife got denied you'd think that there would be emotion in what he's doing maybe he'd shoot him and yell at him or say something. And it was very much like, bop, bop. It didn't look like there was any overkill or anything like that.
Starting point is 00:34:50 He did what he needed to do and left. Yeah, cold, calculated, and he bounced. Not that I know if it was, you know, not like I'm saying that I know. I just watch a lot of Criminal Minds. You're an expert. Yeah. I mean, that's all it takes these days, right? For sure.
Starting point is 00:35:04 I mean, it does make sense like if you if he if he's not like super nervous and you and he's not like fumbling with stuff he he shot the guy he knew that the the gun wasn't gonna cycle because as soon as he shot he didn't do like like when i'm shooting if i shoot and something goes wrong the first thing i do is tap rack right but he knew that it wasn't going to be tap he knew just to go to right the racket right like so and having it written on that live casing knowing that he was going to eject it it looks it looks like the there's they were uh steel casings i don't know if anyone could be it kind of looks like it right yeah they i mean that looks like it they do look like they're like chrome color or whatever um as opposed to like a brass color but i mean you know i again i don't know because i you know i'm i'm not an expert and i wasn't there obviously but like it doesn't seem like he was nervy the fact that he hasn't been caught yet either means
Starting point is 00:35:56 he took his own life or he's completely vanished you know like there was instances from back back home up in new york where similar things, not to this degree, but a shooting. Someone left. They weren't found for a few days and they found the body, you know, floating down the Hudson River or something. So that could be that. Or people would be like, well, this could end up with a death by cop situation if it was maybe less of a professional, right, who got caught quickly. But I don't know. It doesn't seem that way you know to do it at that early morning in new york city outside the hilton which i know that area uh that's brazen yeah i mean they
Starting point is 00:36:32 play there was and it was well planned too it wasn't just i will say but his stuff his schedule was very open everyone knew where this guy would be for a conference so like anyone could have access to it lean to you know anyone knowing where was. We do have some other updates as well. The police stormed a train, the Long Island Rail, 530, an ex-juror said they were on the 530 PM LIRR train to Seaford when the train was swarmed by cops.
Starting point is 00:36:56 Officials maintain that although the train tip failed to find the killer, the NYPD welcomed the wave of tips it's receiving and received an offer and is offering a $10,000 reward. It's helping, they added. we are following up on every single tip that's come in any tip could be the missing piece of the puzzle that ties everything together i don't think i don't think they'll find the guy i i i don't think so whoa look at this detectives believe phone left at the scene may not be a burner oh really yeah they're saying might be his real phone wow well
Starting point is 00:37:22 that would be a huge mistake no it. It just doesn't add up. That doesn't seem to track with everything else. If you're a pro, I mean, come on, dude. The pro IDs somebody who looks like him at a bar, snatches it, leaves it at the scene, scribbles something on the bullets, and it keeps the scent off of you. Just based on how well everything else was organized, to leave behind a phone seems very out of character for this guy. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:50 It does seem very well planned, and not just very well planned, but very well executed. I will mention this, too, because a lot of people have pointed out that the weapon was malfunctioning. Some said, no, he's manually cycling the weapon because he's using subsonic rounds so that it's quieter. Then others said, no, you can look. It looks like it's malfunctioning. Some said, no, he's manually cycling the weapon because he's using subsonic rounds so that it's quieter. Then others said, no, you can look. It looks like it's malfunctioning. I want to stress, and I think most gun people know this, the average person experiencing malfunction doesn't know what's happening. For him to fire and then quickly cycle the weapon
Starting point is 00:38:17 means he understands what a malfunction is. Was it a World War II type remake or something? No. I saw that in an article earlier. Yeah, people were claiming that, but there's a bunch of gun tubers who are like, no, no, no, no. Interesting. Yeah, some of these guns where you have to manually cycle it. Yeah. They're sharing all these.
Starting point is 00:38:33 They wrote entire articles on how it was a World War II gun. That was a clue. Look, I own guns, but I'm not a gun expert by any means, and I've been to the range of a lot of people, and when there's a jam, they're clueless, and they're like, I don't understand what's happening. What do I do? Right. Or there's like four or five different things that it could be, and you there's a jam they're they're clueless and they're like i don't understand what's happening what do i do right or there's like four or five different things that it could
Starting point is 00:38:46 be and you go through a variety of steps before you finally get to the point where you cycle dry fire and make sure it's safe that's like the last thing that you do when you're dealing with a malfunction he only shoot three times i don't know they're only three do we know that he was shot three times i wonder how many times he actually i would also say something i think to his expertise yeah because there was there are there expertise. Yeah. Because there were rounds on the ground that were not spent so there were actual bullets
Starting point is 00:39:11 and then there were some just casings. Because NYPD can't shoot in public. Remember that story where the guy came out he was at his office building and he went postal. He came out and the cops ran up and just fired wildly. Didn't hit him but hit seven random people. Seven people.
Starting point is 00:39:26 Yeah, that was outside. I think that was outside of the Empire State Building. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because they, you know, and you know what I was told? The cost of lawsuits the NYPD has to pay out for negligent discharge is less than the cost of training NYPD how to use their guns. Unbelievable. I mean, think about it. You get 30,000 or whatever cops who need to be trained times whatever the training is. And they're like, we don't have that many shootings and the lawsuits don't cost that
Starting point is 00:39:53 much. So just whatever. That's cost benefit analysis. It's like that scene from Fight Club where he's like on the plane and Edward Norton's character, Jack, he's like, if the cost of the lawsuits is less than the cost of the recall, we don't recall. And so they know the cars will blow up and do whatever. Yep. Wild.
Starting point is 00:40:13 Meanwhile, New York City released their prisons at the beginning. It's Gotham. This is straight up Gotham. And Taylor Lorenz is like a villain from Gotham. Yeah. Which one? Which Batman rogues gallery icon? She's like Trans Joker.
Starting point is 00:40:27 I don't know. It's hard to know. Lady Joker? Yeah, she's not Harley Quinn. She's cooler. Yeah. I don't know. I understand people make it mad
Starting point is 00:40:36 because they like the character of Harley Quinn, but that's probably the best analog. She's just mentally unstable and dangerous. Right. She gets afraid if someone approaches her. But by all means, post pictures of people you don't want. You know, no, that's not fair. She's too old to be Harley Quinn.
Starting point is 00:40:51 Anyway, let's let's let's jump to this story from the Daily Wire. David Hogg seriously considering running for top DNC job to fix party's condescending tone. Many Republicans and conservatives laughed online at the prospect of seeing Hogg try to run the Democratic Party. This is offensive. OK, how dare you mock this intelligent and passionate young man who is trying to do what he must do to save the Democratic Party? I, for one, second his nomination or I nominate him. I would love to see the DNC run by David Hogg. OK, well, I guess he wants to be vice see the DNC run by David Hogg. Okay. Well, I guess he wants to be vice chair.
Starting point is 00:41:29 So Politico reported that Hogg has told reporters he is seriously considering running for DNC vice chair. The failed pillow salesman who has made the name for himself by aggressively calling... Isn't that crazy, though? He tried to sell pillows. Do you remember that? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:40 He was like the MyPillow guy who's doing such a good job that he tried to create a progressive pillow launch and it didn't work. Was it OurPillow is what he called it? No. It was just stones. It was called GoodPillow.
Starting point is 00:41:52 Because MyPillow is EvilPillow, I guess, right? Yeah, OurPillow was the pillow that we made, which was a burlap sack full of packing peanuts. And the idea was that the communist version of it sucked. Anyway, they say the failed pillow salesman who has made a name for himself by, we get it, we get it. peanuts yes and the idea was that the communist version of it sucked yeah you know anyway uh they say the failed pillow salesman who has made a name for himself by we get it we get it well honestly i'm considering it because i think that one obviously i think we need a new generation in the dnc he's not wrong about that if this election has taught us nothing else i think we need an intergenerational coalition as a party it's look let's be real it's they're they're not gonna bro
Starting point is 00:42:23 you're not going anywhere near the DNC. They're going to, you're going to be like, yes, right this way, Mr. Hogg. And they're going to walk you down a dark corridor inside the building. Then they're going to open a door with a bright light. They're going to push you through and it's a fire exit. I think he should run for president. I agree.
Starting point is 00:42:38 Well, AOC might. That's true. That's true. Yeah. He should run with her. That's great. I would like. AOC Hogg, 2028. That's a horrible videotape. No one should watch i don't even want to touch that um i i mean look
Starting point is 00:42:50 i i would like to see the democrat party move away from the progressive end right the democrat party move away from the far left there was strong signals in this past election that the country wants to move back to the right a little bit move away from things like defund the police move away things like from from things like open borders uh move away from things like restorative justice these policies have negative consequences for Americans. And that was kind of clear and made kind of clear in the election. It would be cool if we didn't have the same crop of people with progressive ideas saying, hey, let's just do more of the same stuff that we've been rejected about. Well, what's so wild about him saying that he wants to fix the DNC's condescension problem
Starting point is 00:43:46 is anyone who's seen David Hogg's social media account know that he's one of the most condescending people on the internet. Yeah, it's always projection. Always. Yeah, it's always projection, and it's bad for the country. Again, the policies that the left prefers have been tested for at least the past five years and they're producing results that americans aren't happy with you look at what happened in california and there were a bunch of recalls there were people there was multiple recalls jason budim was recalled there was another person that was recalled another da
Starting point is 00:44:21 yeah uh what it wasn't san san francisco maybe it was san francisco where there was a da and then there was another maybe oakland county the da also lost re-election and then there was a couple people that that lost re-election and there were like 11 counties shifted red from that were blue london breeders who i was thinking of the mayor yes she lost you know and like that's that's a big deal and that speaks to the tone of the country you had even though the left would love to say oh there was no red wave and that and that that you know donald trump didn't because he didn't get 50 of the vote it wasn't a landslide blah blah blah that's just semantic cope and also on the house numbers if you look at uh the redistricting that happened, Republicans are basically capped at the amount of seats that they can win just based on the way the districts are drawn.
Starting point is 00:45:13 But if you look at the counties that flipped, the seats that they did win, they basically did max out, which I mean, they hit the ceiling of the potential support that they can get in the House based on the way the districts are drawn right now. Is the Democratic Party, can they not reject the tone of the American people? Well, Cenk was here just a couple days ago, and he was actually calling for moderation. That's true. Yeah, there's definitely pockets of it. But when I watch the corporate press, they seem to not learn their lesson. Look, Cenk got the memo. But to be fair, while I'm not going to pretend like he's been a saint the whole time or he's come around like, look, Dave Rubin was on this train a long time ago, recognizing the left was losing their
Starting point is 00:45:56 minds and they ragged on him for it. But over the past year, it is true that Cenk was screaming Biden can't win. They're lying. This is nuts. He was admitting Biden is crazy and old. But he got the memo. That's called the popular mandate. And he's probably sitting here being like, we're on the wrong side of this one. The people are fed up. Even Bill Maher just recently came out saying, we need the disruptors. They're getting the memo.
Starting point is 00:46:19 The corporate press, they don't read the news. Bill Maher's on the line. My issue with Bill Maher is that he doesn't read. Whoopi Goldberg doesn't read. So on The View, you have this great bit. Actually, we can pull this up in a second where Charlemagne the God is like, Joe Biden lied about pardoning his son. And Whoopi's like, no, maybe he just changed his mind.
Starting point is 00:46:39 And it's like, did you guys read the initial reporting on this from NBC that said Biden had been planning this the whole time? They don't read the news. But Jenks, he's the writing on the wall and he's thinking we need to figure out where our victories are going to be because we lost the popular vote on this one. This ain't it. And so he recently tweeted that he's actually backing a Republican. He's throwing his support behind a Republican who's got some populist plans that he agrees with and says, let's go for it. Because if the left populist and the right populist can get victories where they agree, just take them.
Starting point is 00:47:13 Right. There you go. So do the Democrats fracture now? Oh, yeah. I can't see the party coalescing around that. That's why David Hogg wants to run for the DNC. He's like, it's weak. Now's my chance.
Starting point is 00:47:24 Because in like no sane reality could this kid i know he's an adult man but let's be real this this there's no there's no reality where this person is going to get a top position in the in the democratic party unless the democrat democratic party is done it is it is a withered husk the donors have fled their pissed right now's his chance yeah he. He'll start one. Beto O'Rourke would probably be on board with them, you know, because they seem similar to me. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:50 Ultra feminine. Lanky, low-T guys. Yeah. Hate guns. I mean, one of the problems, though, with the Democrats potentially fracturing is that, I mean, this did happen to the Republican Party in a lot of ways when Trump became the nominee in 2015, where they were forced really to listen to their grassroots activists for the first time in a long time. But that was a very organic movement. I don't see the same kind of groundswell on the left to be more normal.
Starting point is 00:48:17 Instead, you actually have the vocal minority of the progressives getting increasingly angry at a party that they feel isn't crazy enough. And the Democrats who have all of the money and political power try to placate them by running candidates or adopting policies that are in line with that, as opposed to moving towards the more moderate sort of blue dog Democrat position. I would love to see more blue dog Democrats being held up as. Yeah, they're basically extinct at this point. Yeah. You can't even be a pro-life Democrat anymore. Democrats being, you know, held up as. Yeah, they're basically extinct at this point. Yeah. Manchin. You can't even be a pro-life Democrat anymore.
Starting point is 00:48:47 Was it in Montana? Was it Tester? Was he like basically the last one? More or less. But I mean, but he's not exactly moderate either. Right. And Manchin was considered. But these were considered to be 10, 15 years ago.
Starting point is 00:49:00 Right. And now it's just like, dude, you guys are Democrats. Get out of here. Mm hmm. The Republican Party absorbed a lot of their liberals. Yeah. Well, it's just like, dude, you guys are Democrats. Get out of here. Mm-hmm. The Republican Party absorbed a lot of their liberals. Yeah. Well, I mean, they effectively kicked out.
Starting point is 00:49:09 They got Tulsi now, they got RFK Jr. That's why I've been saying, like, I don't see how the Democratic Party can recover. Because,
Starting point is 00:49:16 uh, they, they, they, they kicked the moderates out. They kicked us out. Dude, like,
Starting point is 00:49:23 I mean, like, Joe Rogan, okay, was a Bernie bro who ragged on Trump incessantly. They kicked him out dude like i mean like joe rogan okay was a bernie bro who ragged on trump incessantly they kicked him out they screamed in his face they made his picture look green on cnn and he's gone he's not coming back why would he go back i mean look the the the republicans had a similar thing happen after uh after it came became clear that there was no yellow cake uranium in Iraq and that the pretenses for the war in Iraq were BS. And the Republicans were like, wait a minute, this is not what the Republican Party is supposed to be.
Starting point is 00:50:00 And they lost a lot of people the ron paul revolution was because it was mostly republicans that said i don't want to be you know involved with the warmonger party yeah and you know there's a lot of a lot of people left and a lot of reshaping and it ended up with donald trump coming and kind of taking the reins of of that and whereas he's probably more establishment than a lot of the libertarians would like, he's still, you know, a far cry from Mitt Romney and Dick Cheney. So now it's time for Graham. Yeah. You know, now it's time for the Democrats to kind of be lost in the wilderness for a
Starting point is 00:50:39 bit. And hopefully they'll the reasonable moderate Democrats will will find their way. I should I should run for DNC chair. I mean, you could. I'm not going anywhere near any of that stuff ever. I mean, when we're talking about this difference, though, between Trump's takeover of the GOP and then the Democrats, Trump has made very clear that he is interested in having people around him who don't agree with him on every single thing, right? That's why he's willing to partner with people like Tulsi Gabbard and RFK.
Starting point is 00:51:06 But on the Democratic side, you have complete and total ideological purity that is required of everyone who gets elevated to one of these leadership positions. So they're not really able to have the necessary debates that they need to have in order to create a healthier party that actually represents the people. They don't even like debates. No. Right. They shut them down.
Starting point is 00:51:27 Yeah. Oh, did you guys see What's-Her-Face from Call Their Daddy? She was speaking at an event with the New York Times or whatever and was just ragging on Kamala. Really? Yeah. She's saying they spent $100,000 to build this weird set that looks nothing like her set far away.
Starting point is 00:51:39 She's like, how do you even spend that kind of money on this? It's just all fake. Pre-planned, organized, with staffers standing by. And no one cared. No one cared. The country rejected it all. Oprah, all of it. It's amazing.
Starting point is 00:51:54 Yeah. Well, let's do this. Let's jump to, what do we have here? A Hawk Tua. Hawk Tua. Here we go. I mean, we could talk about, we'll save the Whoopi Goldberg thing for a second, but I want to talk about Hawk Tua.
Starting point is 00:52:06 So we have this story from Vulture. Hawk Tua, insider trade on that thing. Andy Warhol once said, in the future, everybody will be famous for a few months, and in that time, they will be accused of insider trading when their meme coin flops. I can respect the attempt, Jason Frank, for Vulture, but I think mine was better. This morning I said the making a random comment about sucking dick to committing securities fraud prison pipeline. That was my take on this thing. So for those that don't know, she launched a cryptocurrency. And within a few minutes, tons of people who had access to the coin who never bought it dumped it and ripped off all the fans that bought in.
Starting point is 00:52:52 And so it's looking now like Hawk Tua is facing some—this looks like it's criminal. I mean, I don't know. I'm not an expert. I'm not accusing anybody of doing anything wrong. I don't know. But there is now—here's the story, basically. Let me see if I can get the update. A law firm is now advertising over the Hawk to a pump and dump. This is Berwick Law. They said, if you lost money on Hawk, contact our firm to learn about your legal rights.
Starting point is 00:53:16 Our firm represents thousands of NFT and token investors in securities matters. This is attorney advertising. They even have the legal disclaimer. So we have this post that this is Voidzilla, a.k.a. Coffeezilla. and he's got this great video up on YouTube put up two hours ago where he's talking about what happened with Hawk Tua's coin basically ripping people off. They said this, 285 investors joined her presale. So actually, let me jump back and I'll play a sampling of his video. You can hear it straight from him. And then I recommend you watch his full video.
Starting point is 00:53:52 Into this pre-sale, they say they got in at $16.69 million total valuation, which means that if they sold out the whole 17%, you're looking at about $2.8 million raised by pre-selling these tokens. So it is essentially a lie to say her team didn't sell tokens. Well, they pre-sold them, and then those investors dumped on your fans. That's the problem. Because BubbleMap says, we found 285 investors joined the Hawk pre-sale.
Starting point is 00:54:17 That's about what I saw as well. 89 wallets sold 100% on launch. 47 sold over 50%. Anyway, you can see in total $3.3 million were sold. So basically, Hawk Tua says we didn't sell any of these coins, but had pre-sold them, that's what they're claiming, to investors, quote unquote investors. And then 89 of them dumped everything they got. And there's this huge transaction record of people getting four, like three, one's got 300 grand, one's got like a million, and then a bunch of them dumped everything they got. And there's this huge transaction record of people getting four, like three, one's got 300 grand.
Starting point is 00:54:47 One's got like a million. And then a bunch of them have like $40,000. And now people are saying she's going to talk to a judge. Well, I mean, it's probably smart for her to go talk to a judge because she's going to have to. No, talk to a lawyer. Well, yeah. I mean, she probably should talk to a lawyer. But, I mean, if she goes to, I mean, yeah, I guess I imagine she probably should talk to a lawyer first because anything that she says is going to just incriminate herself. She's just tweeting about it, right?
Starting point is 00:55:14 She's just tweeting about it. I don't think she's even taking this too seriously. You know, I was talking about this earlier, and I think she must be hurting. I think she's probably not making a lot of money. They gave her a podcast recently. But how much money is she really making off of it? Oh, yeah. And how many views is she probably getting?
Starting point is 00:55:33 Look, podcasting is one of the only, if not the only, media medium that does not disclose its ratings. That is the weirdest thing to me, why they don't do that. YouTube puts it front and center on the video and people can see if the video did well or not. Cable TV ratings are published weekly. You can look up and see that MSNBC is failing. Podcasts don't do this. I'd be willing to bet nobody listens to her because what would they listen to her for? Right. Like, come on, man. Look, with all due respect, it's great that she made a million dollars or whatever because she made a comment about blowing dudes or whatever. And but that's it. She's got nothing left. So my view is and I could be wrong. I don't know. She's probably hurting. And if she was if she was dealing with mainstream typical success, she wouldn't resort to this weird crypto scheme whatever you want to call it to make money and reportedly according to the people online they're saying that she got over a
Starting point is 00:56:32 million bucks right off the bat we were talking about this the other night though like you you get that thing that goes viral but you have to have something of value that people actually are interested in if you expect to actually capitalize on the viral post or whatever. Otherwise, it's like. Tiffany Gomez just posted feet pics after she went viral. Did she actually post feet pics? I mean, yeah. She was posting those weird pics of her in her fake kitchen. Everything about her is fake.
Starting point is 00:57:00 She's gone. Who knows? I mean, I'd imagine Hawk 2 is making more money than she made before, for sure. Yeah. But it's going to be painful for a lot of these people, and not just her, but anybody, when, look, you're a regular person. Next thing you know, you're on the news everywhere. Everybody knows your name.
Starting point is 00:57:18 And you've got to figure out what you're going to do to maintain that. So she didn't. So it's only been a few months and now vulture is writing that she may be involved in insider trading fraud she says that she died any insiders were given access to her coin a team hasn't sold uh one token and that not one uh what is what is kol it's a opinion leader or something was given one free token. She posted an X. But as people are pointing out, yeah, it's because she pre-sold them before the launch, so they didn't sell them. They pre-sold them. This is just, look, your life is normal. You're making, you have little money. Overnight, you have a million bucks. You spend it on stupid
Starting point is 00:58:02 things. This is what people tend to do. Then you're looking at your account you're like i need more of this i need more of this but you're not going to get it you had your moment talking about bang blown dudes or whatever the thing that's weird also is that she's claimed to be upset with the guy who posted the video that got her famous and then she's on podcasts complaining about being famous but she's doing the show still right she? She's like, I don't really, I didn't want this, but here I am traveling all these podcasts. That's all weird to me. I listened to a little bit of one of her first podcasts that she posted, which was just the aftermath of finding out that she had gone viral. And it was actually really sad in a way and kind
Starting point is 00:58:43 of tragic because she had to explain to her parents why she went viral. And when I saw this video and everyone was so excited about it, they thought it was so funny. I just thought this girl's parents must be so horrified that this is the daughter that they raised and this is what she's out doing on the town with her friends. I don't know. I find the whole thing to be quite sad. It's really depressing. I knew a guy, and he had a viral moment where overnight he was on the news everywhere. And this was a while ago.
Starting point is 00:59:15 It was like 10 years or longer. And I said to him, he was getting requests. His email was blowing up. It had been like two or three weeks where he was on all of these, these programs. And he was, he went from being some dude working in a small, you know, Brooklyn restaurant or something, washing dishes to all of a sudden people are paying him speaking fees. He's got money. His clothes were clean and he was looking great. And I asked him, what's your plan, dude? What are you going to do? Like what represents what and who you are and where do you go from here?
Starting point is 00:59:50 I'm not worried about it. I'm fine. And then I was like, listen, this month you have this viral moment and they're hitting you up. What are you going to do to make sure their interest comes back next month when the news cycle changes? He's like, nah, you don't get it, man. Like we're working on these things and we figured it out guess what he was doing a month later back to zero yeah no one's heard from him since going viral is like the new winning the lottery you know how like they
Starting point is 01:00:14 said you win the lottery it just comes with a whole a lot of horrible consequences uh now it's well winning the lottery always did too people don't people don't get it yeah right there's like those documentaries about how winning the lottery ruined people's lives. Right. And everyone goes like, how is that possible that it ruined your life? That makes no sense. And it's like people don't – let me just say one thing. You can't just give someone money.
Starting point is 01:00:37 The IRS doesn't allow it. That's the craziest thing. Like obviously you can hand someone a $100 bill, but there's limits on how much you can give people before you get taxed on those things and then dramatically reduces the amount you can give to people. So it's not as simple to say, like, I'd like to buy my friend a car. Nope. When Oprah gave everybody cars, they got massive tax burdens from it, and that was a huge, huge fiasco back in the day, and everyone just sold the cars and then had to pay taxes on it. So winning the lottery would be great. Don't get me wrong. But the
Starting point is 01:01:05 average person all of a sudden wakes up one day with 10,000 new problems they didn't know existed. And they're just like, I don't even know what to do with the money. Because there's a, like you, you can't just spend, like if you want a hundred million dollars, you can't just spend a hundred million dollars. When you have a thousand bucks, you get your paycheck. You can go to the grocery store. Money's gone. You have food. You can fix your light, you can fix your window, money's gone. You can get a car repaired, money's gone. You can hire someone to come and clean your house, finally, money's gone. But when you have $100 million, okay, so you spent 10 grand in one week doing all of these things, your fridge is stocked, you got brand new clothing, your car's fixed,
Starting point is 01:01:43 everything's up to order. Now what do you do with the other 99,999,000? Invest in meme coin from the Hawk 2. You got to put the money somewhere. Yeah, yeah. There's also the problem with what it does to your relationships and your family. I mean, if you've ever had someone in your family pass away and they had a significant chunk of change that they had after they died. Families get absolutely insane in that process of divvying up the assets and the reading of the will and all of that. I mean, if you throw in a $100 million lottery win,
Starting point is 01:02:13 that's only magnified to the nth degree. I mean, your life is literally never the same. And like you said, it's not all positive. There's a lot of drawbacks. You hear a lot about the families turning on the people. It's publicized. People know. The gas station promotes it. Everyone knows. And then you wake up all these issues.
Starting point is 01:02:31 Still sounds nice. What's Polymarket giving us that she goes to prison? Do they have it? Oh, geez. None of us really think that she had any idea what was going on, right? Ignorance is not an excuse for breaking the law. I'm not saying that at all.
Starting point is 01:02:45 What if she's an evil genius and we don't know? I'm definitely not saying that she deserves a free pass because she didn't know. I'm just throwing out there that she doesn't seem right enough to really understand that she was committing fraud. Wait, they actually have it? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:02:59 Hayley Welch in jail in 2024. No! What? Yeah. Want me to send the link in? Is there one for how long until we find out it's a money laundering scheme
Starting point is 01:03:07 for the DNC? Oh, what? I was joking. Yeah. Three percent? That's this year, though. That's lower than I would have thought. Well, that's 2024.
Starting point is 01:03:16 Maybe 2025. Oh, but look, look, look. It was at five. Okay. Is that what you found, too? It's only three percent? Yeah, that's what I got. That's a value bet.
Starting point is 01:03:23 I might buy it. But it might be... Yeah, we've got less than a month. Hey, hey, hey. Hey, it says jail. Wow. Yo, are you nuts? That's a great wager.
Starting point is 01:03:36 Dude, she could jaywalk and go to jail. Are you kidding me? The average person has been to jail. Jail is not prison. That's true. So they're basically saying that maybe she's speeding 30 miles off 30 miles of the limit. So they arrest her. Yo, that resolves. There's nothing. There's nothing like intoxication. There's nothing for 2025. Go to the drunk tank, Haley. Yeah, she's due for her Britney Spears moment. Oh, it's
Starting point is 01:03:57 only in 2024. Haley, if you want to get out of your debt here, You could take a big bet that you're going to go to jail and then just so happens that you get into a bar fight or something. Wait a minute. Is she allowed to wager on this? I'm sure she knows someone.
Starting point is 01:04:18 Well, look, the cap is only $30,000 though. So $33,000 volume. It's funny that Polymarket actually has it though. That's crazy. And it launched because of this thing. It just launched. How much money do you owe, Haley? Here's the issue.
Starting point is 01:04:36 If she gets arrested over this and she spends seven hours in jail, it resolves. It's not a crazy ask. I'm not saying she's going to get convicted and go to prison. I think if it does turn out to be, I mean, this really does look like fraud. I don't know. I'm not an expert. Again, I'm not accusing her of
Starting point is 01:04:51 having done anything wrong, but if she does go to court over this and it does turn out to be a criminal wrongdoing, they're not going to put her in prison. They're going to give her a slap on the wrist, tell her to pay back, pay restitution, and things like that. All the corporate press having to define what hawk to you means prime time news i hate this world hate it this is why we've never talked about it before because it's just like i don't care
Starting point is 01:05:18 about this degree of stuff but i suppose when we have this story where it's like an Internet personality of little and and ill repute is now being accused of major securities fraud. I'm like, now there's an interesting story. Because I really do. I was talking about this morning with you guys remember overly attached girlfriend. You know, props to her. She was, I think, the first person who took being a meme and turned it into something to make money off of. Because you had that stoned guy meme, and you had the thumbs up guy meme, and they were just memes, and they had no idea what happened.
Starting point is 01:05:50 When she did the overly attached girlfriend thing, she leaned into it, made accounts, and then started using it to make money. After, slowly, she started getting less and less traction, and people paid attention less and less, because she really didn't have a lot to offer other than she made a funny video this one time well she made a couple of them but she just drifted away and now she's got a ton of followers and she posts online when she does and she mostly just does it as a side thing and that's what happens i think we're going to see a lot of people who
Starting point is 01:06:18 they're not going to want to let go of the golden goose they're going to they're going to fly too close to the sun they're going to reach up and they're going to say, I cannot lose this. And they're going to commit crimes to make money. So I saw bumper stickers for this girl in Nashville. I was shocked that they even sold them and that people bought them. Could not believe it. Wow. There they were. Well, let's stop talking about her and talk about this story from the Post Millennial. Missouri could consider a plan to offer bounty for reporting illegal immigrants. The legislation would create the Missouri Illegal Alien Certified Bounty Hunter Program, which would certify anyone licensed as a bail bond agent to be a bounty hunter to search for and detain illegal immigrants. Yo, they're going to make a new Dog the Illegal Immigrant Bounty Hunter show.
Starting point is 01:07:06 Thankfully, they say only for reporting. I don't like the idea. What? It says detain. Oh, well, that's a terrible idea. Yeah, it says detain. There's a lot of illegal immigrant gang members in the country right now where I don't want lay people running around trying to.
Starting point is 01:07:23 No, no, these are licensed bond agents so these are these are like your bounty hunters who are armed and have teams and go out there they would have the ability to I mean this is kind of wild I mean if it is if they are like teams that go out and they try to detain the wrong illegal immigrants it's going to turn into a big old gunfight yeah Yeah, but you know what? These guys are going to do their research. Hopefully. So bounty hunters know who they're going after and they know it can be dangerous.
Starting point is 01:07:51 So they're looking up a guy's name and this guy skipped his bail. We're going to go find him and bring him back in and we're going to get his bond or get a piece of it or whatever. If they're going after an illegal immigrant or something, it's going to be a lot easier than that. They're going to walk into an IHOP or something.
Starting point is 01:08:04 And I bring up IHOP. Don't get mad at me, IHOP, because a couple of IHOPs out here by us recently got raided by immigration. You saw that? I saw the story, yeah. It was crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:08:14 Because the owner was hiring illegal immigrant laborers and they got raided. So they're just going to- Who's going to cook your pancakes now? Oh, I got a liberal. I got to pull up this tweet while we're on the story. But it's even better than that. I think Bethany Mandel had a really, really good tweet because she was mocking Matthew Iglesias because liberals are racist. Let me see if I can. I got it. Here it is. So Matthew Iglesias tweets Trump flation killing me at Shake Shack.
Starting point is 01:08:44 And I don't think deporting the delivery guy is going to help. And then he posted his receipt. And Bethany Mandel said, peak progressive virtue signaling is tipping your delivery driver 10% while assuming your driver is illegal and complaining that if he's deported, you can't keep paying him below a living wage. Wow. Anyway, these bounty hunters are going to have it. It's going to be easier than ever. There's not,
Starting point is 01:09:09 they're not going to go to cartels. They're going to walk into an IHOP and they're going to be like licensed and bonded bounty hunters. If that's how it's working, I'm all in. This sounds great. Let's do it. Let's take some of the burden off of ice,
Starting point is 01:09:20 off of the national guard, off of, and then this would also help if you do this in states where they're not allowing local and state police to cooperate with ICE. That'd be a nice little privatization of the market. It's just Missouri. Right.
Starting point is 01:09:34 But you know what the left is going to say? They're going to say that the right has created immigrant patrols to hunt down refugees and asylum seekers and put them in camps. They're going to say that anyway. Of course, yeah. It doesn't matter who does it. Right, right.
Starting point is 01:09:49 But they're going to hearken this to slave patrols. They're going to say, this is how it starts. Oh, geez. Oh, no. Then considering what we saw with that CEO. Well, one of my favorite pieces of rhetoric post-election was the Democrats saying that their hispanic friends who voted for donald trump are not going to be laughing anymore when they get deported it's like do you think all
Starting point is 01:10:11 hispanics are illegal that's the way they talk and also do you did you just admit that illegal aliens voted in the election it's like a nice super there so dumb just it's such a i mean you can't expect like coherent ideas out of people that engage in this kind of you know rhetoric and stuff but it's real dumb man it's real dumb that's why i don't see them changing anytime soon yeah they're incapable of see of any like reflection they're always right everyone even if everyone voted the wrong way against them everyone else is wrong the media hasn't learned their lesson all their institutions are failing and they'll continue to fail i don't see them i don't know when it's going to happen when they actually
Starting point is 01:10:52 learn that's why i think there needs to be a change in the the actual people that are you know in positions of authority on the on the at least the democrats you know in the democrat party whether you call them on the left or not. You don't think Pelosi's good or? Pelosi. She's really good at stock trading. Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:11:11 And her husband, great. I think that Cenk was right that it really is the donors that kind of call the shots. And I feel like the donors are the ones that kind of need to wake up and be like, all right, the progressives are hurting the Democrats. But to the donors, they don't really care if it's Democrats or Republicans. For so long, the Republicans were thought of as the party of big business, of the rich and stuff like that. And in the past 15 years, that is entirely 15, 20 years, that has entirely changed that kind of the meme of democrats being the party of of big money and big donors hasn't caught up yet but that's where it is right now so like that's the truth right now and so it's not like it's not like it matters to the donors right
Starting point is 01:12:00 they'll just pay they'll donate to whoever's going to be the ones that are going to you know protect their interests well and it's cyclical is going to be the ones that are going to protect their interests. Well, it's cyclical because the ones who are in power are going to be the ones who bring in the most donations. Yeah, that makes that makes perfect sense. So, I mean, I don't know if it's going to be immediate or in the next cycle or whatever. But I mean, I understand the the people that are like oh you know we want we wanted to get money out of politics i don't know that you do that without without the kind of changes that donald trump has has brought up and and has is trying to do but at the same time there's a lot of money stacked against him doing it right And the left would scream about being anti,
Starting point is 01:12:45 like you're saying, anti-corporate stuff, even in the past few years with Hillary or Biden. Meanwhile, Wall Street was completely backing both those people. Yep. I mean, to the tune of a billion dollars.
Starting point is 01:12:56 Remember Barack Obama spent a billion dollars. He didn't get that for just from grassroots funding. You know, he got that for big, you know, big dinners that cost $50,000 a plate. You know, he got that from PACs donating. Same thing with Hillary Clinton, a billion dollars. Kamala Harris, a billion dollars. I don't know what Joe Biden spent, but I'm sure that it was a lot of money.
Starting point is 01:13:21 So in 2016, 2020, and 2024,ald trump was outspent all three times he was the underdog you know when it came to the fiscal side of it and one of the big reasons why that money doesn't translate to votes for the democrats besides the obvious policy issues is that obama moved a lot of the party infrastructure and took it with him in regards to the data operation after he left office in 2016. And the DNC was left basically having to rebuild their entire operation without Obama's help. And so like the DNC, for example, does not really even do micro-targeting at this point. They don't even really believe in it as a science. The Republican Party micro-targeted the hell out of this election. So they get voters based on
Starting point is 01:14:10 demographics. Republicans get voters based on individuals and policies. Yeah. I mean, I want you to be right. I want to believe that. And I want to see, you know, conservatives have continued positive results at the ballot box because I do believe that the I mean, just look at the way that markets have reacted, you know, since since Donald Trump has been elected and the foreign leaders. Yeah. And just anecdotally, during the last election, I was getting text messages every three or four days from the Kamala campaign, from progressive activist groups asking me to go out and door knock for Kamala Harris. Why? Because I'm a 30 year old white woman living in northern Virginia. OK, pull up my voting history or like anything about me.
Starting point is 01:14:59 The fact that I'm a faithful Catholic who attends mass weekly, you would figure out pretty quick that I'm not going to knock doors for you. Joe Biden is a Catholic. You know what you do? Yeah. Don't get me started on that. When I get text messages from Democrats, I just want to talk for as long as possible about everything. I'm a very interested voter. Just wants to hear everything they have to say.
Starting point is 01:15:25 It'll take a long time. And in that time, you're probably not going to be able to talk to anybody else. But I'm listening. I'm listening. Don't they have... What companies are now putting up AI to intercept spam calls?
Starting point is 01:15:37 And people are now not realizing they're talking to AI? It's so obvious. We're not there yet, though. Yeah. I think for some people, like elderly people, that's right, yeah. They probably don't know We're not there yet, though. Yeah. I think some people like elderly people. That's right. Yeah. They probably don't know yet. Unfortunately, man. Yeah, dude, it's going to get so bad. Like the AI videos that are already coming out are already getting crazy.
Starting point is 01:15:54 It's not like Danny Palaszczuk's AI videos are, I think, intentionally not that lifelike. You can tell Trump's mouth's moving in the wrong way or whatever. They're hilarious. But these videos popping up where Joe Biden was holding up a liquor store, they look like AI for now, but in a year, you're not going to know the difference. Look how much it's changed in two years. And haven't there been reports of elderly people getting phone calls with AI voices that sound like their family members? Oh, yeah. And then they say, like, help, I'm trapped.
Starting point is 01:16:24 Yeah, exactly. I'm really excited because I was, no. And then they say, like, help, I'm trapped. Yeah, exactly. I'm really excited because I was talking to this one dude who works in tech, and he was saying that within a year we can fully automate Timcast. That's crazy. Yeah, you literally just type in, you'll grab 10 different news stories that you want for the show, and you'll just drop them into a box and click generate. And then it'll render the video, and then you're done. Reject that. Reject it, Tim. box and click generate and then uh it'll render the video and then you're done reject that rejected tim and it's going to be funny because people will be watching and it'll be seemingly normal until all of a sudden like shane's on the ceiling and then he's back in the chair again and it's
Starting point is 01:16:53 like yeah how did we not catch that his hand has five has five fingers and a thumb by that point though it'll be perfect you know the hands that that seems to be a thing of the past you'll turn into a lizard mid-show and then turn right back like we knew it have you seen those though, it'll be perfect. You know, the hands, that seems to be a thing of the past. The bad hands in AI. You'll turn into a lizard mid-show and then turn right back. We knew it! Have you seen those fake videos people make where it's like skinwalkers uncovered?
Starting point is 01:17:13 And it's like, it's an AI video, but it looks real and it'll be like a woman standing there and then she'll turn and turn. As she turns, she becomes a dog or whatever. Yeah. There's so many of those videos on Instagram. Yep.
Starting point is 01:17:23 And they're creepy and weird. It's a fun horror short but there are going to be old people who believe this there will be young people eventually too that's true I was talking to some dude who said that he has family members that are gone gone like they watch these videos and they think they're genuinely are lizard people who have taken
Starting point is 01:17:38 over well no that's true don't believe the AI ones I do think that young people though are have a harder time with internet reality versus fiction. Because when I was growing up, we had these classes at our library where we had to learn how to determine what was real on the internet and proper sources to use. And apparently, they just don't do any of that anymore. They don't have computer labs anymore. So if you talk to people who are employing Gen Z people, even like older Gen Alpha people at this point, they literally do not know how to use computers. They only know how to use phones. Like they don't even know. I had to teach my intern
Starting point is 01:18:14 this summer, like control C, control V shortcuts for copy paste. It's actually quite scary. They genuinely do not know anything beyond like typing on their phone and watching TikTok. Wow. What's it like with grammar and stuff? Not good. Really not good. Do they just don't teach? You don't think they teach it anymore? I don't think they do teach fundamental grammar. No. I mean, just based on the resumes that I get and the writing samples, what I'm hiring people and editing their work. I think that's important. And I know you do too.
Starting point is 01:18:42 Because it makes my job harder. People don't know how to write. I think a lot of people don't care anymore about those basics, which is, you know, that's just an indictment of where society is right now. Yeah. Well, and certainly when we continually move towards more short form content, it doesn't seem as important. Yep. Do you think that the, that writing, you know, writing long form stuff is going to be a skill that is going to be common in the future?
Starting point is 01:19:08 It's not common now. Yeah. Well, I mean, fair enough. The popularity could come back, though. I mean, going back to the AI hook, it is possible. And there are some websites that already do this where they give you the option to read the article out loud. Yeah. And that's the way a lot of people do consume long form content if they if ai gets better at reading long form articles to people
Starting point is 01:19:29 and they can listen to it like a podcast then maybe you know but the problem with long form is the culture in media where uh they'll go to a journalist and say we want can you write us 10 000 words about the current war in Ukraine? And they'll be like, yes. And so the title will be like, the darkest hours of Ukraine, the forefront of the war and its current developments. And I'll see a headline like that. And I'll be like, oh, wow, what's going on? I'll click it. And the first paragraph will be like, it was a dark night. Grass was blowing at my feet. And I looked up to the sky wind a man approached me slowly and I looked him in the eyes and he said Ukraine and that's what I knew and I'm like what is this
Starting point is 01:20:09 where's the news I can't stand these news outlets that are like the writers clearly didn't want to work in news but couldn't find a job anywhere else so instead of being like in Ukraine right now for the past several years there's been an ongoing war in this region in that region and I'm like tell me more it's like some dude writing a novel about his experience. I think, I mean, I'm biased because I'm the one who writes the novel articles that are a million words long. But I think people should have an appetite for the articles you want, the objective, just straight up news, but also long form essays, which is why Substack's doing so well. Yeah, I mean, if you read like Tucker Carlson's old articles before he really became a television broadcaster, he is an incredible writer.
Starting point is 01:20:47 Highly recommend. Like, we don't really have anybody that writes like that anymore. And I would say the other problem with the long-form content is that you have people assigned to these type of essays, but they don't even actually go to the place that they're writing about. Where should people go if they're, like, actually interested in learning how to write like that? Not school. But Shane,
Starting point is 01:21:09 the journalism school applications I get are the worst. Don't go to journalism school, yes. You're saying you want to write like that, but when you write a gonzo piece about how you went to go meet with Civil War historians who are telling the story
Starting point is 01:21:26 and you say like you know i'm driving down this road and there's a man that's a story i totally understand right but when the new york times is supposed to be writing about like the current developments of the biden pardon and it starts with being like the headline will be like joe biden issues pardon for son outrage in the beltway and it starts with like two paragraphs telling me a story about the current weather and mike's and i was standing there before the supreme court and realized this country was in trouble and i'm like shut up just tell me what's going on is famous for bearing the lead yeah oh yeah and activists hijack long form journalism buzzfeed no uh i made a lot of money on my BuzzFeed stock, so you don't despair. Sorry, sorry. But Vice did it. And I wrote for Vice, too. Very long articles. But they got hijacked by activists who will try to write, you know, you want to get that information,
Starting point is 01:22:13 but then they'll spend three paragraphs selling you on their identity and all this other stuff that they learned in their horrible journalism school, which I taught at for a while. So I get that it's rotting from the inside. Is there any regulation about me stating my current gains from BuzzFeed? I don't know how like- Ask the wrong person. I don't, yeah, I don't know. Let's ask Hayley Welch.
Starting point is 01:22:35 Let's call her. Yeah, she seems to know. Because I bought a bunch of BuzzFeed stock when Vivek, like, so here's the story I bring up quite a bit we we watch the news all the time we read the news non-stop and so it's kind of wild that a story i learn about the moment the story breaks the minute it's published then of course i'm going to try and fact check to the best of my ability but usually we kind of just trust the media and that's a fact i mean whether for better or for worse and then it's like people i know we'll hear about it a month later so i I started saying like, why aren't I buying stocks? Because, you know, we saw that Nancy Pelosi Nvidia purchase. Nancy Pelosi just bought a ton of Nvidia. And I was like, that's
Starting point is 01:23:13 funny. That's going to skyrocket. And then didn't buy any. And then it skyrocketed and people are going to say it's going to collapse. And it did drop a bit, but still. So when, uh, when Tesla tanked, uh, it dropped down from like 300 to like 113 or whatever because Elon was talking about buying Twitter. I was like, okay, that's not real. The stock is not going down because anything having to do with the company. It's going down because of the PR around Elon and fears of what the CEO might do. So I bought a bunch of Tesla. Boy, am I happy.
Starting point is 01:23:40 So when Vivek announced he was buying BuzzFeed and having these meetings, I was like, okay. And then I just bought a bunch. I don't talk to any of these people about having these meetings, I was like, okay, and then I just bought a bunch. I don't talk to any of these people about it or anything like that. I was like, I'll buy some. And I don't know, conflict of interest, I guess. Just so everybody knows, I have BuzzFeed stock, but it's been going pretty well. Since Vivek got involved, BuzzFeed stock's way up.
Starting point is 01:24:00 Let me see what the percentage is. What is BuzzFeed doing right now? I have no idea. What do they put out? 125% return. Wow. On right now? I have no idea. What did they put out? 125% return. Wow. On listicles? I guess. What are they doing these days?
Starting point is 01:24:10 They did kill their news division a couple of years ago. Yeah, that was hilarious. What big story did they break? They published a Steele dossier. A Steele dossier. And it's entirely. And Ben Smith got rewarded with a cushy job at the new york times for it i want to i want to give a shout out to uh a good friend ben smith um you know he when he apologizes for this
Starting point is 01:24:32 then maybe i'll stop saying it but there was a story a few years ago where remember the popeyes chicken sandwich came out and everybody wanted to get one so good buzzfeed news ran a story or buzzfeed whatever i don't't know which outlet it was. That a man was stabbed to death over a Popeye's chicken sandwich. They wrote this story claiming that a guy went to Popeye's and was in line for chicken sandwich and a fight broke out and he got stabbed to death and died. And that's not the story at all. The story was a guy at a Popeye's got stabbed to death, but it had nothing to do with a chicken sandwich. This guy had gone to Popeye's and I guess someone had cut him in line.
Starting point is 01:25:10 And so he told the guy like, what are you doing, man? You can't cut me in line. Had nothing to do with the chicken sandwich. And the guy said something like, let's take it outside. And as soon as he went outside, the guy killed him. His family was pissed. They were like, this is a black man that BuzzFeed has, that the media is claiming died over a chicken sandwich. It's not true.
Starting point is 01:25:28 It was an issue of the violence we see in these communities where people feel disrespected. And instead of dealing with being cut in line or having someone be mad about it and just talking it out and letting someone order their food, this guy decided to murder our family member. So I hit up BuzzFeed rather calmly, like, hey, Ben, you guys ran the story claiming a black man was killed over a chicken sandwich.
Starting point is 01:25:51 I just wanted to know that's not true. And he refused to correct it because he didn't care. I can't remember exactly what he said, but he said something like it's true enough or something to that effect. And I'm like, this is the problem with these companies. They don't give a crap if they're telling you the truth in context. There's no problem for them to have written that story and then said upon further review, family members came out and said this was nothing to do with the chicken sandwich.
Starting point is 01:26:19 They could have even made a headline being like racist outlets accused black men of dying over chicken. They just wanted the story. It was shocking. It was funny to them and they did not care that's what's wrong with those organizations yep and that's why they're failing another example is when i worked at fusion and uh ghost in the shell came out and they wanted to be angry that scarlett johansson was playing the major who's supposed to be a japanese woman. And the fan base actually said a premise of the show is that you can have a prosthetic body. So in this movie, Ghost in the Shell, this person
Starting point is 01:26:51 dies and then her consciousness is transported into a prosthetic body because the future in your brain is cybernetic. And they were like, well, but it's a white woman. And I was like, yeah, but like part of the idea of the show is transcending identity. Like there's literally a line in Ghost in the Shell where one of the guys asks the major why she prefers female bodies when you can choose any prosthetic body. And I'm like, so this actually, it really does fit.
Starting point is 01:27:16 And they were like, yeah, but we're going to go ahead and write it anyway. And I was like, I'm a fan of Ghost in the Shell and they don't care. They just want to write the garbage and make the money. Then when they issue a retraction, when they get things wrong, they make money off that, too. That's the secret. If the New York Times writes fake news and gets a million views, and then they get threatened with a lawsuit, they retract it.
Starting point is 01:27:35 The retraction is an article as well that makes money, too. Maybe not so much for the New York Times because they're mostly subscriber-driven. But for some of these outlets that run ads, they love it. They'll be like, we'll get a million on the article that's fake, and then we'll get 50,000 on the retraction. All of its views. Yep. They don't care.
Starting point is 01:27:52 It doesn't matter, just so long as people look at it. I don't think people even read it, though. It's like headlines. People believe in the caricature of the headline. But if they get the click, that's all that they care about, because then they'll say,
Starting point is 01:28:02 oh, you know, we sell clicks. The secret of the Huffington Post was that people just argued in the comments. That's the secret. Yeah, yeah. So they – and then when Huffington Post announced at one point they were going to get rid of their comment section, people were like, wow. Because the sort of like the insider journalism organization secret was everybody knew that was really driving page views was that people wanted to argue with you know conservatives and liberals were fighting with each other was that something you think breitbart was a part of with the comment stuff or is that i don't know but this
Starting point is 01:28:31 is this is before twitter yeah so you're on the internet huffington post emerges it sounds official they post an article and there's comments where you can say this is dumb this politician should do this and then you can respond and say you're dumb then we have twitter yeah once twitter came up came about that became the internet's comment sections yeah so true that is what that is what twitter really is it's like it's the comment section for like the whole internet for the collective consciousness yeah really i mean it used to be you know people would say oh don't go read don't read the comments because they're always full of vitriol because angry people are the ones that generally comment. And as soon as Twitter was created, it's like, okay, this is what this is.
Starting point is 01:29:10 I love the comments. Yeah, that's what it is. Especially the angry ones. I think they're hilarious. I always read them. I love them. They make me happy. I feel like you get a little out of touch if you're not regularly reading the comments.
Starting point is 01:29:22 Yeah. And sometimes I was, through TimCast, the second book I did, we were serializing it and it would be narrated on YouTube as well, piece by piece. And sometimes I got something wrong about like, I think it was an amount of miles between one place and another. And I was like, oh, thanks. And it was almost like a fact check and I fixed it for the book. So I appreciate comments.
Starting point is 01:29:44 Yeah. All of them. Good, bad, ugly. And I fixed it for the book. So I appreciate comments. All of them. Good, bad, ugly. Send them my way. Any comments on X, I appreciate. Especially if you're verified and mad. Those are always good. Yeah, did you see that you can see how many followers you have that are verified now?
Starting point is 01:30:01 Yep. That's interesting. Yeah, I haven't looked at it yet. Yeah, go to your analytics and you can look. This explains why all these liberals are getting angry because they're not making any money. And then their engagement farmers are making tons of money. I thought they were taking care of that.
Starting point is 01:30:17 I thought engagement farming was a negative thing now. But I'll clarify, there are people who do dumb things where it's like, waffles are better than pancakes. Discuss. And people get really annoyed by this stuff. Or are people who do dumb things where it's like, waffles are better than pancakes. Discuss. And people get really annoyed by this stuff. Or they'll, like, talk about news but frame it in a question to generate, what do you see?
Starting point is 01:30:34 Or they post photos and they're like, what do you notice about this photo? Right. And there's literally nothing in the photo. And people just start speculating in the comments. Yeah. Those drive me nuts. Well, one thing that's going to make you a lot of money on X is posting the blue and gold dress and saying, what color is it? Then you're going to get 800,000 comments. And that's the thing.
Starting point is 01:30:49 Getting ratioed is money. That guy murdered his wife, I believe, from the blue and white dress. What? And ended in a murder eventually. What? No. I could be from another dimension right now with a different set of timeline. But I'm pretty sure in this timeline, that guy ended up... Elaborate.
Starting point is 01:31:05 That's all I know. What? The guy from that picture, who posted the picture, I think murdered his wife. I hope I'm right right now. Good Lord. I didn't slip through some portal on the way here. That's a terrible story. I know it is, but he brings it up.
Starting point is 01:31:17 You can't not. Oh, my gosh. He tried to kill his wife. Oh, he tried. Okay. Okay, so in my timeline, he killed her, but this one, he tried. For the fact. Oh, he tried. Okay. Okay. So in my timeline, he killed her, but this one he tried. Man whose mother-in-law's blue and black dress went viral charged with trying to kill wife.
Starting point is 01:31:31 Wow. Speaking of viral moments that lead to insanity. You know, after Joe pardoned his son, Hunter, I was just thinking like, how many more historically unprecedented things can we handle in one year? Better knock on wood. No, don't knock on wood. I want more. It's fun. Aliens were supposed to invade the other day. That didn't happen. They did. We just haven't noticed yet.
Starting point is 01:31:55 Well, there was that video of that woman where she saw, like, a meteor break through the atmosphere, but those happen all the time. Yeah, and people are seeing all those weird drones in Jersey or Virginia, or both. Jersey. The weird drones flying everywhere. But then there's that stuff in those weird drones. That's right. The drones are. Is that Jersey or Virginia or both? Jersey. Jersey. The weird drones flying everywhere. But then there's that stuff in D.C. that was happening. It was clearly just planes. Oh, it was a bunch of
Starting point is 01:32:12 planes over D.C.? Just planes. And lens flares, you know? Like J.J. Abrams' lens flare. Yeah. Well, I mean, hey, if I have not identified the plane, it is unidentified and flying. That's fair. It is an object. That is fair. That is fair. It is an object. That is fair. That is fair.
Starting point is 01:32:28 But there's weird things going on for sure. Like what? I mean, where do you want to start? We have a cyborg king who's in our administration right now. What are you talking about? Yes. He's a cyborg? Yeah, cyborg king. I love what he says, but I'm worried about our government absorbing AI.
Starting point is 01:32:46 I'm worried about, I want to strip away the government to nothing, but I'm worried about implementing an AI government. Because it's like a bigger version of what we're talking about with the 90% error rate for UnitedHealth. We're not ready for AI. Like our AI is too stupid. That we know about. I think even the AI that they have at higher levels is still too stupid. But they're using AI at war right now, you know, like the lavender stuff, and it's programmatic policing,
Starting point is 01:33:12 where they're letting the AI determine who they should take out. Yeah. That's an issue. Captain America, Winter Soldier. Right. Literally the bad guys were trying to implement an AI that would target people they thought were deviant. Yeah, it was like the movie yesterday. But it's that's reality. Right. What I'm saying is if you want to implement an A.I. government, we don't have that A.I. level yet.
Starting point is 01:33:33 And we might get there soon with A.G.I., artificial general intelligence. But right now you don't have it. What's going to happen is you're going to make an A.I. that says, hey, we want to we want to make government more efficient. What will it do? It'll create a bunch of bloated bills, overspend, and then bankrupt the country and open our borders. All it's going to do is look at what humans have done and then say, this is the way government should work. And we're all sitting here being like, no, it should not work. Don't put Gemini in charge. The fact that AI is progressing and there are so many companies working on it is why I bought a lot of NVIDIA stock. Do you worry about it
Starting point is 01:34:07 ruining the music industry? AI? Yeah. Well, I think the music industry is already ruined. Yeah, and besides. From streaming and stuff. AI is destroying what's left. Yeah. True, true. It's just eating scraps as a vulture. But there's still creative stuff, right? So Sleep Token is a... Love
Starting point is 01:34:23 Sleep Token. They're a great band, very creative. They really do cross a lot of genres. I think that it's really cool that a lot of modern acts are not limited to genre the way that they used to be. There's a lot more crossover and different styles of music that's coming together. But the music industry itself is just it's a it's a flaming pile i think trash i think music music's been largely solved as a problem for a long time mathematically and uh there were a few viral videos there was one famous viral video like 10 years ago where a guy who was a big music producer explained how they make pop stars and how they make the songs and then uh the trends in
Starting point is 01:35:03 music there was one video I watched where a music producer explained, I forgot what it's called, but it was the OEO trend that we saw in music for a while, where all of these big songs, and it's like, basically what happens is there's a certain song that will get a lot of attention, and they'll remake it 800 times in ways that's hard for you to recognize,
Starting point is 01:35:22 but we can see it when we're doing the mix and in the background beats per minute, the key of the song, the, the pacing, the time, all of that stuff.
Starting point is 01:35:30 And it's all the same. There was one viral video. Like, I think this was, uh, like 15 years ago where a guy took some random woman who could not sing and then made a pop video explaining how fake and manufactured everything is. So this was when i was a kid
Starting point is 01:35:45 remember when like lip-syncing was just how were the trespass or whatever now it's expected now another backing tracks and you'll see a singer on stage not singing and then just do a few lines and then and it's normal and it's allowed million vanilla need a redemption arc now i'm sorry. It's ridiculous. But that is the norm now. It's ridiculous. But I think mathematically music's solved,
Starting point is 01:36:10 and they figured out how to make the most mentally appealing array of sound mathematically. Yeah. But AI has just cranked it up to the millionth degree. That's part of why I think theatrics have become such a big factor in live music today, whether you're dealing with bands like In This Moment or bands, at least in hard rock and stuff like that. In This Moment,
Starting point is 01:36:34 bands like Sleep Token. Knock Loose on Jimmy Kimmel. Yeah. There's that kind of stuff. The whole, like the way that Rammstein puts on their shows and stuff. Marilyn Manson. These are all acts that they're not just music. In the 90s, there was such a backlash against the theatrics of the 80s. Everybody wanted to come out wearing their dad's sweater and baggy ripped jeans and just play their instrument.
Starting point is 01:36:59 And that was the focus. Nowadays, it's totally different, and if you don't have something that sets you apart from other bands, something that's memorable, even if you have good songs and good music, it's tough to get some kind of traction. I'm thinking of Phil and Salma saying, we don't have dragons coming out of the speakers.
Starting point is 01:37:17 I saw it in your thoughts. I love that. I love that quote. I'm a huge fan of Pantera. They were a big influence on the way that All That Remains presented ourselves for a long, long time. We were just like, we're not going to get dressed up. It's like I would go on stage wearing shorts and just a cut-off sleeve t-shirt.
Starting point is 01:37:35 And there are bands like Killswitch Engage, Adam would wear ridiculous things because he was making fun of bands that would get dressed up in theatrical stuff. And he would literally wear a tutu. things because he was making fun of bands that would get dressed up in theatrical stuff and he you know he would literally wear a tutu like there were times where he'd he'd wear a cape oh yeah just you know just to look silly and and but nowadays new bands you really need some kind of something to stand out yeah to set set you apart i saw black guy murder in fat suits yeah now rest in peace trevor with uh like i i use suno a lot the ai music generator and
Starting point is 01:38:07 if you have it make a song with lyrics and words it'll kind of be really you know not very good the minus like it's a song but the lyrics are usually the the cheesiest of dirt rhyming and you know rhyming you with you and things like that. But if you don't put in any lyrics and ask it to make an instrumental song, it will make an amazing instrumental song. Yeah. That in my view, like one of the key components of the music industry is making music for video, for intros, for outros, skate videos, for instance. I'm talking to the crew here and I'm like, we don't need to license music anymore
Starting point is 01:38:46 if we're looking for backing tracks. Just go on Suno, type in the kind of song you want, hit render, and it'll give you a minute to two minutes of a song you can use for the background of anything you need. It's crazy. Done. And it costs like a dollar.
Starting point is 01:38:57 Right. So now the musician, he used to sit in his room and make these songs and was making a living. Done. This is something that I have harped on forever. If you're going to be a musician or if you want to be a musician, like you need to tell stories. You need to, there has to be more than just the music.
Starting point is 01:39:19 Because, you know, I mean, you want to have a cool beat. You want to have a melody that people remember. But when you write lyrics that speak to people, that people can relate to, like, that's what people will keep coming back to listen to. Our biggest song is a love song. And we're not thought of as, like, that kind of band. We're thought of as a heavy metal band and I'm a screamer and blah, blah, blah. But our biggest song is still What If I Was Nothing. And that's, you know, that song was literally about an argument me and my ex-wife had at the time, you know? Yeah. Because people can, people can, people can relate.
Starting point is 01:39:52 And that's really what you're trying to do. You're trying to relate to people. So, so if you're, if you're an aspiring artist, go out and live life. There was this other, there's an artist that I was, that I was friends with that i was also friends with her producer and we were talking about some of the stuff that they were doing and they had some really cool stuff and there was this great line and it was she was a female artist and one of the lines they had was f f my safe word don't you stop because she wanted to be like an la grungy dirty kind of thing but she wasn't genuinely that person they were like what do you what does she need to do they asked me like what do you think she needs to do and i was like she needs
Starting point is 01:40:28 to go get on heroin for a year and then get off of it because she was young and she didn't have a lot of experiences she knew go and live life and have something to actually write about that people could relate with i saw a really interesting video of from ben affleck of all people recently talking about ai in movies and he said something about how AI can't account for taste. And that's the one area where humans will always have the competitive advantage is knowing when to stop. You don't agree. Absolutely not.
Starting point is 01:40:55 Why? He's looking at AI as it is now. So you can't do that. I make this point quite a bit. If you go on my Instagram and scroll way back to two years ago and look at the early AI-generated image of Nancy Pelosi, it looks like a caricature, grotesque image. If right now, and it was a year later I brought this up, you could render a full, normal-looking picture of her. Today, you can make a full video of her purchasing $50 ice cream, and it looks real. So Ben Affleck's looking at the modern iteration of AI video and being like, ah, but it doesn't
Starting point is 01:41:28 understand taste. Humans are going to, nope. I don't know. I just don't think you can replicate art with a machine. What I'm seeing when I ever have these conversations with pro-AI people is I don't participate in AI. But look at music. Music's done.
Starting point is 01:41:41 But there's people who don't care. I don't agree with that, actually. I mean, so I'm a huge country music fan. And one of the biggest things that's happened in the country music industry recently is that there are a huge, there's a huge growth of independent artists outside of the Nashville machine that have gained amazing traction for exactly doing exactly what Phil's talking about, telling stories. Like you look at people like Charles Wesley Godwin, Wyatt Flores, Colter Wall. Exactly. They're incredible. And the AI is going to take them all, analyze how long someone listens to one part of the song. It doesn't just know what song you like. It knows when you're... If you're playing the song on your phone, it's got the camera looking into your eyes. And it knows what part of the song triggered an emotional response.
Starting point is 01:42:25 How do you replicate Charles Wesley Godwin walking through the streets of West Virginia and seeing street graffiti on a bridge and making a story out of it? The AI literally will just do that. What do you mean? Because that's a unique concept. Yeah. That's come from real lived experiences. But you don't know that it's
Starting point is 01:42:45 a leftist term. But you don't know that's real. So if I told a story, if I wrote a song where I said how I was, you know, driving in the back country in West Virginia
Starting point is 01:42:53 and I saw an injured dog and I got out and he came up to me and he was scared and I brought him in my car and then we drove down and I looked for a vet but he didn't have an owner
Starting point is 01:43:01 so I decided to adopt him. People would be like, wow, I made all that up. It's not real. You know, this really, really bummed me out. The song, The Freshman by The Verve Pipe, it's totally fake. And that's why a lot of artists always said, never tell people what the song's about because they'll get bummed. Because when you listen to that song, it's about dudes and these people who are early in college, and this guy's girlfriend commits suicide and now they don't know how to react to it and they and he's like he never really wept and it's not our fault we're not responsible for this and then when you ask him about he's like i was just writing a story and it's like well it was a really great song it's
Starting point is 01:43:36 kind of a bummer because you thought it was real but it wasn't ai is going to analyze that to the t and it's going to replicate it it's absolutely what's going to happen is when it becomes indistinguishable like what you're, people are going to start debating with themselves and others, does it matter? To me, like it matters. But then they'll say, if you can't tell, why does it matter? Look at Nirvana. Yeah. It smells like teen spirit. Those lyrics are gibberish. Yep. And I met a producer when I was in lived in seattle who had worked with early nirvana and he said that kurt would often just groan melodies and then scribble random words to fit the melody structure because he liked the way the song was that's it and i was like sounds about
Starting point is 01:44:17 right some of the songs are legit like early nirvana did have songs that were about things some of them were obviously just gibberish you know know, like, but that is an anomaly. You know, like, it is, you're right about, like, a lot of their stuff was just gobbledygook. But at the same time, like, that isn't something that happens all the time. Just like the song Hook by. Oh, dude. It's a great song. But literally, he's saying it doesn't matter what I say.
Starting point is 01:44:47 So you can, like there is, you know, substance to the argument that it can be faked. But if you're telling a story that people can relate to, you do, you know, people do care. Because, I mean, I've had thousands and thousands of people come up to me and say, this song really helped me through a hard time in my life. do care because I mean, I've, I've had thousands and thousands of people come up to me and say, this song really helped me through a hard time in my life. And I guess my point about country music and the way that that industry is changing is that there was a genuine appetite for something that wasn't overly produced radio BS about trucks and guns and pushing, right? Like people wanted a real human emotion expressed in their songs.
Starting point is 01:45:25 And luckily you had all of these amazing artists out there who were doing that and got famous because of it. So we're going to go to super chats. Before we do, I have a prepared statement. I have to be very careful. Many are wondering what's going on pertaining to the lawsuit that I filed in defamation over the Harris campaign, which is ongoing. And I have this to say, quote, we have some positive updates coming in the lawsuit. I can't speak on it just yet, but more info is coming. So that's all I can say for now. But I will stress again, we have some positive updates coming.
Starting point is 01:46:04 I can't say much on that, but stay tuned and you will hear something soon. Alright, let's grab Super Chats. Make sure you smash the like button, share the show with everyone you know. Head over to TimCast.com because we're going to hang out in that members-only uncensored show.
Starting point is 01:46:19 Kyle N. says, love the show. Keep up the good work, everybody. Really do appreciate it. Death From Afar and Fishing fishing says two more days, Tim. And December 7th, 1941, when all the people came together in the attacks of Pearl Harbor. What a brutal, brutal and awful day. Oh, Japan, they made a mistake. They made a big mistake. Jason Dixon says, if she don't hawk to her, I don't talk to her.
Starting point is 01:46:42 You're supposed to put talk to her. Talk to her. I don't talk to her. You're supposed to put talk to her. Talk to her. Missed opportunity. El Rojo says, Tim, the reason the gun malfunctioned is because tilt barrel pistols like the Glock require a booster when suppressed to cycle properly. Subsonic rounds don't have enough energy
Starting point is 01:46:58 to cycle the slide. Indeed. We were talking about this the other day. And I rewatched it again. And it does look like he tries to fire and then cycles it and then fires, which is indicative of him not just shooting, cycling, shooting, ideas? No. And I also don't care if he did. If Cenk came on the show and came here and said, Tim, explain to me how everything works and how your production is. I'd be like, here we go. Here's how we do it. This is the way we operate. You know, I like Elon Musk. He says they don't have patents. Have you seen him talk about this? Because no one can steal it. Yeah. That's what he says. Yeah. He's like, good luck.
Starting point is 01:47:43 This is from a breakaway civilization. I was on a man how long was 13 years ago and i was working on an app with a small startup group and uh so i'm hanging out with a friend on a bus in la and i'm explaining what our company does and it's like here's the plan here's what we're going to do and uh basically it was active blue before active blue existed and I really wish we actually got it off the ground. But as it goes with young upstarts, it usually just doesn't. But the idea was like, how can we facilitate digital donations to politicians and create this network? And so we started building and things like that. And so I'm sitting on a bus and I'm talking to my friend.
Starting point is 01:48:17 And she goes, stop, stop, stop, stop. Someone's going to hear you. And I look around and I'm on the bus. And I'm like, you think these people are going to steal my idea? Like, this is the wrong attitude to have. And so many people who are entrepreneurs are terrified to say what their idea is because like someone's going to steal it. I'll tell you exactly what happens. If you go meet with an investor, they're going to say, what's your idea? And if you can act, if you can articulate your idea effectively, they're going to say, okay, what do you need to make it work?
Starting point is 01:48:45 They're not going to go, that's a great idea. I'm going to write it down and have someone else do it. Because then they're going to be saying, I'm going to invest more money in trying to figure out your vision that I don't have because the idea makes sense. No, they're going to be like, I'll just hire you. What do you want? How much are you going to give me? People don't understand that these incubators, they'll give you 50 grand for 30% of your company and then say, here's 50 grand,
Starting point is 01:49:07 make your vision happen. Come back to me when the money runs out, make it work. That's a huge chunk of your company for not that much money for a startup. They're not going to steal your idea.
Starting point is 01:49:15 They're going to hire you to make it. But people get scared, you know? If Cenk Uygur came here and was like, you know, it's funny because you know what's really funny about Cenk Uygur is 2014, I, yeah, I think it's like 2014, I meet up with him in Los Angeles, like,
Starting point is 01:49:31 I saw him at VidCon, shake his hand, and we're talking, and I'm talking about doing YouTube stuff and what I'm seeing, and I was talking about how I tried running ads on Young Turks because we were promoting a documentary and it wouldn't work, and he's like, really? And he was like, what happened? Like, and I'm explaining like how much we bid, why we like, I was like, here's our total budget amount. Here's what we bid. And we wanted to run on Young Turks because it was politically minded individuals in the space. This is well before the Trump era. So things weren't that crazy. He was totally cool. Two, three years later, he's screaming in my face at Politicon about being a MAGA Trump guy.
Starting point is 01:50:05 Just blew up in my face screaming. And now we're seven years later and he's coming on the show and he's saying, oh, everything's back to normal. I'm just like, OK, dude. Well, you know, whatever, man. All right. Let's see. Mustack Rikish says, how do you think Taylor would feel if someone posted a picture of Daniel Pearl and said, we want more of this, followed by her own photo? Who's that?
Starting point is 01:50:32 The guy who got his head taken off? Yeah. The journalist. Yeah. Oh. Oh, yeah, dude. She'd be screaming, the far right. And then they said, look, I'm not saying saying i want it but it's the public sentiment
Starting point is 01:50:46 they don't like the press that's true all right jacob ali says georgian prime minister has started his brutal crackdown on the pro-eu protesters he called in the military to start wiping out protesters he just stated he would gladly use torture to do so evil yeah wow Yikes. Wow. That's crazy. Saravia says, Manga, anime, live movie, Parasite. The Maxim featured mothers protecting their child, including human-eating parasite
Starting point is 01:51:15 that gave birth to a human baby. Is that the one where, like, the aliens, have you seen this one? So it's like, the aliens will come and infect your head, and then they look normal, but their head can mutate into a gigantic alien weird thing. And it takes over your body. But then in the anime and the manga, I think it is, the alien that infects this one guy accidentally gets his hand.
Starting point is 01:51:37 So his hand is like a weird alien thing, but he has full control of his body. Something like that. I think seven years ago, aliens came to this planet and infected the minds of a large portion of this population. And that's why their IQs have dropped so precipitously. I'm kidding, by the way, but it's very much like, what is it called? Invasion? Invasion of the body snatchers? No, no. Invasion by Nicole Kidman.
Starting point is 01:52:03 Great one. With Nicole Kidman. From 2007 where an astronaut comes back with a fungal parasite that infects at you. If it infects you and you go to sleep, the hormones you release in REM sleep activate the fungus, which
Starting point is 01:52:18 then turns you into a hive, alien controlled, and they vomit on people to spread the disease. sure rick and morty made fun of the film did a parody of it and then in the movie they find they develop a vaccine and cure everybody but it really does feel like that happened doesn't it oh yeah around the covid lockdowns invasion of the body snatchers for sure if you watch that i know that one quite well that's where we're living that's when um what um, what's his face goes. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:52:45 Um, he just passed away. Uh, Sutherland. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:52:48 He points and screams famously. Let's go. Polly Piret says, you feel better about yourself when you have a job. My father worked until 80 and my grandfather worked until 94, even though both didn't have to. Yeah. The,
Starting point is 01:53:01 uh, so there's, um, that documentary HBO did like 20 years ago about blue zones. I think it was HBO. These are areas where people live to be over 100. They said there are seven things that they identified that they believe leads to longevity, one of which is they only eat until they're 80% full.
Starting point is 01:53:17 They never eat until they're full. But the most important thing was they have purpose. And so there's this one scene where there's like this old 90-year-old Japanese guy chopping wood. And they ask him, why are you doing this? Shouldn't someone younger be doing this? And he's like, what? No one will do this. If I don't do it, no one will do it.
Starting point is 01:53:33 I have to do it. And so that's why he's alive, because he has to do it. I think that's a component of—correct me if I'm wrong, too. Isn't it true that if babies aren't touched, they die? Yes. Skin-to-skin contact is hugely important in the early hours of a child's life. But not just in the early hours. I heard that, I could be wrong, but I've heard that if you leave a baby unattended for a moderately short period of time,
Starting point is 01:53:59 and I'm not saying for a few minutes, but it's like the baby won't starve to death if it's deprived of human contact it just dies you've heard that i i've i haven't heard that but i've i know of stories from back home of babies the infants being abandoned in hotels for like days and still making it really yeah yeah how old are how old infants like just born just born and left in a toilet yeah it was a horrible story yeah yeah the cop old infants? Like just born. Just born. And left in a toilet. Yeah. It was a horrible story. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think the cop actually adopted it. So I just Googled it.
Starting point is 01:54:28 Physical touch, emotional contact, and social interaction. Without this, babies can suffer severe consequences, including death. Wow. If deprived of human contact. I always thought that was really interesting because an otherwise healthy baby that has enough energy within it to survive would just die if deprived of contact. And these are probably very specific circumstances if they do tend to happen at whatever rate. But then hearing about how people who don't have jobs, people who retire have the highest rate of mortality,
Starting point is 01:54:56 it feels like an evolutionary component within humans to basically, what did Ian call it? Apoptosis? You know what it's called? When cells self-destruct if they become damaged or useless. So it would make sense from an evolutionary standpoint. If you're an old person, if you're an older person, and you're in a tribe of people, and you're not doing any work or contributing, you are a drag on the energy requirements of that tribe. So it makes sense that your body would be like shutting down that tribes where the people who are no longer contributing pass on quickly are more successful than tribes of people where
Starting point is 01:55:33 they have to maintain a large elderly population. So maybe that's why people who work and that's also why babies who are deprived of human contact just cease being alive because Yeah. Because they're not part of the tribe. They're not growing. It's not an efficient use of energy resources. It's why lockdowns were so destructive to the world. All right. Jen Desai says, the ACA mandates health insurance companies
Starting point is 01:55:57 can only use 20% of premiums to pay for their operations. 80% has to go to healthcare. Look up ACA 80-20 rule. ACA wrecked health insurance interesting yes harry lawrence says uhd is part of optum optum made mucho money by implementing the obama portal for the aca then each state also hired them to create their portals as well the acma aca made all of this get worse for everybody yo i, I was pissed when they introduced the individual mandates. You remember that? Yeah. I was like,
Starting point is 01:56:28 dude, I don't make enough money to be forced to pay for this. And so now they're basically like, well, you have to sign up and pay this per month, but can't. And they're like, don't worry, we'll tax you at the end of the year. And I'm like, so I don't get healthcare and I lose money? That's awesome. Thanks. Scumbags.
Starting point is 01:56:44 I had to go on the healthcare exchange when I first started working at the Spectator because they weren't incorporated in the U.S. yet, so they could only offer healthcare to their U.K. employees. And it was $1,200 in a monthly premium for, like, a normal PPO plan. I had health insurance. I was 27 and healthy, like like not on any medication, nothing. Yep. I had health insurance through my ex-wife's company, and they stopped providing for families.
Starting point is 01:57:11 And it was extremely expensive to buy it. I don't remember exactly what it was back then, but it was ridiculous. And, you know, it was a mess of a policy. By our third kid, we were like, we're not going to the hospital this time. We're doing this at home. Screw it all. And it was way better. Much better experience.
Starting point is 01:57:33 Well, I mean, that's good. Not everyone can do it, you know. No. When we were with our first, we didn't know any better. We didn't know about home births like that. But now, you know, on our third, it was great and a little cheaper. Yeah. I mean, I don't know that I would want the first to be about home births like that. But now, you know, on our third, it was great and a little cheaper. Yeah. I mean, I don't know that I would want the first to be a home birth.
Starting point is 01:57:49 But if you're talking about second and third, I think that it's probably more likely because I just feel like there's more things that can go wrong. And also the lack of experience, the first one. You just need someone in the hospital to advocate for you, to not go through all the stuff that they force you that they think they can force you to do so true yeah because they try to do everything oh sure yeah you gotta just go in there being like nope and you could do that it's your baby all right illuminati says united health is facing lawsuits alleging patients died as a result of medical malpractice denying them life-saving care they were entitled to the industry has been getting away with murder for far too long i do not disagree insurance companies the big pharma companies the whole health care
Starting point is 01:58:29 industry is a mess it's a disaster but the problems are not solved by these vigilante people in the streets doing messed up ish if you know what i mean yeah we need uh there's there is a solution to what ails us and it is getting in a cash patel getting in a donald trump we are so close to at least the opening of the gates of a populist victory with donald trump's second term and the people he's already chosen hagsath is sounding pretty good we'll see a lot of these people seem fairly moderate they're not the heart like like matt gates was the nuclear bomb. Kash Patel's not some crazy, unhinged, burn the FBI down kind of guy. He's fairly moderate. He didn't say he's
Starting point is 01:59:10 going to fire the FBI. He didn't say he's going to abolish it. He said he's going to go have him solve crimes. So they should be happy with that. And Hegseth is not some hippie libertarian anti-war guy either, but he's going to listen to our soldiers. He's going to do a better job of it. What's going on in the healthcare industry? You look at the power that the people on X have when they express their opinions and Trump listens, like when he got rid of Chronister. I'm saying we are so close to seeing major victories and reformation and accountability.
Starting point is 01:59:39 The stupidest thing anybody could do is engage in violence. Like this, you know, if it is ideologically driven, these leftists are nuts. They're just going to just going to ruin everything that's what they're good at indeed maybe that's the point people are crazy all right shooter mckevin says let's not forget that taylor lorenz's uncle runs is involved with the internet archive and allegedly wiped her upper class history ironic on the celebration you know but you don't need to be related to someone for that. There's, you could hire a service and they're not expensive.
Starting point is 02:00:08 I mean, they're more expensive. Like the average person is not going to pay for it, but for the average public figure, you pay a couple grand and a company will go and just wipe the internet of your existence. Still interesting. Yeah.
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