Timcast IRL - MAJOR HURRICANE to SLAM Gulf Coast, Oil Production UNDER THREAT w/ Dustin DeVito

Episode Date: October 9, 2026

On this episode Tate & the crew are joined by Dustin DeVito to discuss Hurricane heads to the Gulf Coast, prompting fear of oil prices skyrocketing VP JD Vance says he won't watch live stream of firing squad Virginia's plan to release dozens of violent criminals Texas U.S. Senate hopeful James Talrico's sudden vanishing from the race Hosts:  Tate @realTateBrown (everywhere) Ian @IanCrossland (everywhere) Rebeka @rebekazeljko (X) Producer: Carter @carterbanks (X) |  @trashhouserecords  (YT) https://carterbanks.komi.io Guest: Dustin DeVito @DustinDeVito (X) Dustin DeVito is the Director of Corporate Research at the 1792 Exchange, a conservative non-profit organization focused on corporate governance, anti-ESG (Environmental, Social, and Governance) initiatives, and corporate policy.  He is also a contributor with Young Voices and frequently writes and speaks about topics such as corporate responsibility, faith-based investing, viewpoint diversity, and religious freedom in business.

A hurricane is barreling towards our Gulf Coast, while our strategic oil reserve is at an all-time low. This is not a good situation. We're monitoring the situation live. Things are looking interesting. It's up to category three. But once again, if this does lay a lick on any of our oil production on the Gulf, we are in for a heck of an event. I am not looking forward to that. But other stories we must get to as fun as it would be to monitor the situation on the hurricane for.

hours on end. We have some interesting developments in the midterms. James Talarico is apparently missing the current story is that he is down for the count with the flu, but there's many rumors circulating as to why he may be out of the spotlight for the time being. We will discuss this, and we will be discussing more on the Fort Hood Public Execution, which was announced yesterday by Pete Hegseth. J.D. Vance has come out, and he's expressing doubts. that this will even occur live. It'll be live streamed. He said he's probably not even going to watch it.

So it's interesting, is this actually going to happen or not? Is public executions back on the menu? Who's to say, things are getting wacky and wild. It's Friday, so it's going to be super casual. We're just going to be hanging out. We've got a great crew here today. Before we jump into everything, first I got to read or show you guys a fantastic option going into the fall for your coffee intake. It is cast brew coffee.

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before we started filming today. Mike Ditka, the legendary coach of the Chicago Bears, is dead at age 86. He's an icon. He's an American icon. And even if you're not an NFL fan or a football fan or certainly a Bears fan. I think you can sort of appreciate Mike Dicca in so far as he really is like cut from a different cloth insofar as he really does represent a generation of Americans that are just gone. And yes, there's people that are distinctly Chicago, but, you know, distinctly 80s or whatever, but we're not making people like Mike Dic anymore. So when you lose them, they don't come back. And I think that's what really makes me sad to see sort of this generation of Americans start to exit the scene because, once again, we're not recreating these types of individuals.

So rest in peace, Mike Dedka. And, yeah, once again, condolences the city of Chicago. I know he's a legend there. And it's been a hard time to be a Chicagoan for many. Your Timcast, obviously, has the city, you know, faces a pretty rough stretch here. So seeing Mike Dicca go certainly isn't helping that. But we have a great show for you guys tonight. And we have a fantastic guest with us today, Dustin.

DeVito, how you doing? Good. It's great to be with you, Tate. Dude, thank you so much for coming in. Dustin or Dusty? You can call me Dusty. Yeah, okay, even better, dude, Dusty. Well, thank you very much for coming in. Who are you, and what do you do? Yeah, so my name's Dustin DeVito, and I'm the director of research for the 1792 Exchange. So we're a non-profit in the D.C. area, and our core mission is to help businesses get back to business. So we have a whole suite of databases. You can check out on our website, 1792 Exchange.com. But our flagship product is our corporate bias ratings where we profile over 5,000 major companies across their major dimensions of corporate governance. We try to show where the bias exists within their policies and to

highlight leaders in their industry. We like to track to what extent are companies focusing on their business and on their products and services, or to what extent are they letting their behavior be dictated by outside or foreign or activist influences. So our goal is to be constructive and to help encourage them to get back in the right direction. Well, nice. Well, to get into all of that, I know this is a topic. Everyone's got some thoughts on. So it's going to be fantastic stuff. You've got the great Rebecca Zelko hanging out. I'm back. So great to be here with all of you. You might have seen me a couple episodes ago. But if you don't know me, I'm the national correspondent for the Daily Caller. And I'm excited to be here. Just being a regular fixture around here. Well, we're winding down our time out here. We're heading to D.C. soon. So it's got the Gradyin Crossland. So, dudes. Happy to be back. I've emerged from the metallic cave. of electricity where I was evolving, I guess just evolving.

That's where it ended. Well, you're building a brain, aren't you? I'm building a brain. Your brain. My own brain and another brain, a computer module brain called Omega that's developing right now. I'm training, I think I'm giving it tone right now, so its voice can go up and its voice can go down.

And it knows how and when. I've trained it off of like thousands of YouTube videos of me over like decades. So I'm excited to see how this brain evolves. let's rock and roll. This arc is awesome. This is so cool. I love this arc. And like it must be said, you know, a lot of people tune in to Timcast.

And I've had people ask me this in real life. They're like, is Ian like this off camera? Is this like a bit? I'm like, no, he's just like this. And he's literally a top five human of all time. And we haven't even smoked pot together. Like if you're in my presence when I smoke a joint, fuck, dude, the wheels come off, bro.

Doc Brown's train just goes off the rails. Well, I'll have to figure out. how to facilitate that. I don't know. If I'll partake, I think it'd be more fun to do you. Do you ever smoke pot? Have you ever? No, never. Never. You seem very clear. So, like, it lowered my intelligence, but it raised my wisdom, I think. I think it is, like, a shortcut. It's like the clear pill in some ways.

It does seem like, it takes you out of the game, but at least you don't, like, you're not stressed out about. Yeah, but at least you're not in the game. Right. Do you want to be in the game? That's the question. Right. A new game. Is the game even worth playing? It's a very salient question. Why did the game hurt so bad? It's a question I often ask myself. Right. Why is it so painful being the man in the arena?

Why did it hurt, Tate? Why is it so rough? Well, with that, that's what people in the Gulf Coast are going to be asking. What's going on? Is it? Is it? Is it? We're getting, like, really avant-garde at the game.

Isias? Isias. It's closing in on the Gulf Coast, the United States, as a dangerous category three hurricane. Now, we are, you know, a little behind when this will be going live. So I imagine it may be hitting the Gulf Coast as you're watching this live. And maybe it's not as serious. But as I'm reading this, as we're getting the news, you know, it looks like it's going to be pretty heavy duty. And what's interesting about this is everyone was kind of breathing a sigh of relief because we made it through a hurricane season.

And there was really no, you know, major hurricanes certainly. So everyone's like, wow, we got pretty fortunate because the context of why we really can't afford a hurricane this go around in this hurricane season. is our strategic oil supply is at an all-time low. We've been releasing this on the market to try and keep oil prices under control, provide relief for a lot of industries that need energy and energy supply. The global reserve is quite low right now. And if this, you know, it's supposed to hit really the Florida Panhandle, Mobile, Biloxi. But again, it just takes a little bit of veering to the left to really neutralize.

a lot of heavy oil industry that we have here along, obviously, the Texas coast infamously, but also into Louisiana. It's just, we're flirting with a very disastrous situation here. So again, while the odds of this, you know, completely grinding the American economy to a halt are low, the fact that there even is a chance of this happening is quite terrifying. I don't think people really realize what this would entail. No, I don't think they do either. Like, as you're talking about Atlantis, you know, the story of Atlantis that it was destroyed by a global flood 12,800 years ago. Comets apparently hit North America and North Asia, melted all the glacial ice caused a catastrophic global flood, 1,800, I don't know, meters high, tidal waves, just, and then

when all the ice melted, because of isostatic rebound, the land went up where the ice used to be, and land elsewhere on the planet dropped down. So not only did Atlanta sink, it was hit by a, basically, yeah, people are problems, leftist, right, is garbage, but mother nature can wipe it all out. So it's important to remember that. You know, this is maybe something AI can help us with is protecting the weather. That's true. We're really, it's like, it's like we're on a pinhead, you know. Because everyone's saying, well, left and right, we need to unite against the Epstein class. But we're saying as Mother Nature is an even bigger potential threat. Maybe we should unite to fight Mother Nature potentially. Yeah, maybe. Or jujitsu that shit. I guess that's technically fighting it.

Yeah. But like, you had deploying some sort of martial art. I don't know. I mean, I think the solution here obviously would be, you know, trying to wind down Iran so we can fill our... Let's go back in time and make sure the war never started, I guess. Yeah, that would be the best course of action. Not super practical. But yeah, it's just one of those things where it's like, obviously in the immediate aftermath of the war, everyone kind of assumed the immediate effects. Gas would get really expensive.

Of course, groceries would also get really expensive. But then there's things like this downstream where it's like, oh, it's actually really bad that we've had such depleted reserves for this. extend period of time and it's not getting better and things just going to get worse over time. It's not just going to be natural disasters. It's going to be a number of things that we're going to be feeling the effects for a long time. It's really, it's not ideal. I wish I could go back in time and somehow stop it, but obviously it's not really an option. It's just kind of where we're at now. I remember we have Daniel Turner. He's on the show all the time. He's, I mean, he knows

this sort of stuff like the back of his hand. I'm using a pretty broad term there, but he's a very knowledgeable guy. And I remember him saying like pretty much at the outset of the war, once the supply sort of dropping, he's like, dude, one hurricane, and we're going to be in serious trouble, not just as for our wallets, but like as a country. That's why like the third world countries get so wrecked when there's a natural disaster. It's like obviously the disaster in and of itself is disastrous, but they also have like no resources and so they can't recover. And that's not a problem that we've, we haven't had to confront that in the same way.

We've just had the luxury of being a very resource rich country. And now, you know, it's possible we're going to have to feel some of that pain. which is not good. Got a taste, what was it, North Carolina when that hurricane hit Ashburn? Asheville, North Carolina. Yeah. They're still devastated as far as I know. It was like a year and a half ago at this point.

The hurricane was going to hit Florida and it like went around and then nailed ashburn. I mean, you see the potential devastation. It's definitely bad here. Yeah, but like, you know, it's. But we had drones and also America. Yeah, roads. Which helps. Yeah.

It's something people don't realize is that. The oil prices, you know, in the aftermath of these, you know, supply problems we're having, you know, related to the street of Hormuz, oil should be a lot more expensive. It actually is, you know, it's failing to break above like what I think the highest has gone is 120, 1.30. But it's crested back down in the 80s and it's been, been around there. People, you know, a lot of economists are saying it should be a lot higher. We should be seeing this oil spike. What is going on? Well, it's news like this. I mean, global leaders announce plans to release up to 100 million. barrels of diesel and oil. This was all the G7 getting together. Basically what you're seeing is

the entire developed world really straining itself to keep oil under control. And this is where there's a debate. I mean, some people say they'll be able to keep this up. This is not a not a problem. But others are saying this is, you know, putting a band-aid on the situation and there will hit a point where they actually have to look and say, okay, we need to at least keep some of this aside in case we get invaded or something like that. Regardless, this has been a major reason why oil prices have stayed a bit lower than they should is because of basically every country on Earth dumping their strategic reserve to keep the economy under control. So if I was the leader, I would say our strategic reserve is 100, but I would lie. I wouldn't tell you what our actual strategic

reserve was because then everyone, all my enemies would know. So they must have huge amounts of reserve somewhere that they don't talk about, I would think. That's only for like self-defense, for military. I imagine there's like a military reserve that's not talked about. I hope to God, that's the case. Well, even in the case, if it is for the military, it doesn't have as, the impact on us will still be real. I mean, so right here it says in this article from Yahoo finance, the backstop is 283 million barrels, which is down. This is about two weeks worth of, of oil for the American economy, right? know, heaven forbid, the military needs it for anything. But like, let's just presume there is,

like, the stockpile for the military. Even then, this is what's available for us. So, you know, let's just go worst case scenario. The hurricane veers west, you know, really lays a lick on the oil industry in Louisiana and, you know, East Texas. You know, we're in this situation where we only have two weeks of breathing room. That's two weeks for, you know, these refineries, et cetera, to get set up again. So like if you had the metaphor, like if you had a room, you were controlling a room of people because you had a weapon and everyone's doing what you're saying and you're like, I'm the guard. I have a job here.

But my gun, it might blow up at any moment. Something, it's very delicate. It's a, it's a, it's a liability, this weapon because no one really realizes it, but it's a paper tiger is basically our, the OPEC is the oil for dollars is our, our petro dollar is like that. Like, what do you do with it? Because I don't want to hold of a vulnerable weapon that can get destroyed at any moment. our strength of oil could be wiped out.

I don't know. It's like you can't get rid of the gun because then you lose control of the situation, but you know that that gun is potentially going to get destroyed at any moment. Like the whole oil industry could be wiped out. What do you do? How do you transition to a more stable form of control? I mean, technocracy and like control. Like you're talking about corporate governance.

I know you guys focus on that. I know that World Economic Forum wants to control speech in order through like, thought crimes and crap, it seems like. It's just further to demonstrate that the global economy is a bit more sensitive than I think people previously. I mean, people figured this out during COVID, right? Where, you know, we had COVID hitting, and we also had Ukraine-Russia kickoff. And everything shot up in price.

I mean, everything got exorbitantly expensive. We were seeing all these bottlenecks, et cetera. I think people realized, like, oh, my gosh, you know, the global market is dependent. Its functionality is dependent on a general level. of peace and stability around the world. And, you know, as we entered the 2020s, that's no longer something we can take for granted. Well, the oil shortage stuff, I mean, I kind of mentioned this earlier, how there are just so many things that are downstream from it. But like one thing that doesn't, in my opinion, get talked about enough is like fertilizer. Like, there's like a huge

fertilizer shortage and we don't have like any reserves for fertilizer. And I remember talking to, I remember asking Brooke Rollins in May about it. And this was like months ago, obviously, we're in a bit of a different position now. And even then, there was, there was definitely urgency and she you know they were like we don't really have plans about you know preparing basically for that far ahead and you know it's just kind of getting worse i don't know it's it's kind of feels like a slow burn but yeah it's just like becoming increasingly more and more uncomfortable and it's in every aspect of life it's not just filling at the gas pump it's like literally everything it feels like the end of a chapter like an end of a book where like a cliffhanger like a end of star wars episode two or

where Luke's dying, you know, and they're like, ah, uh, uh, the world's falling. And then like the next movie AI is like reorganizing and like, actually, you can use methane for these products. And here's how you build the pipelines and it will take seven months. And, you know, it will create 70,000 jobs and here and you're like, oh, okay. Yeah, except there's like no clear off ramp right now. We're just kind of like hoping that it goes okay and that like it kind of works out. But it's just kind of sitting and waiting. It's a little uncomfortable.

but the only issue I see and I don't even know VEI can handle this is like the how do we get off the oil if we're like the oil system is very old school combustion it's 1850s technology 1890s technology whatever um and and it it's a it's a power it's like a it's like a power tool so how do you get off of that well I think it's pretty magical you just get this juice out of the ground and you put it in things and they generate power it's fantastic it's fuel so like there's a lot of energy resources, but they're not fuel. There's like wind power. Fuel means it's portable. So there's only three elements that we know of that can be used as fuel. It's hydrogen, carbon, and plutonium. Obviously, we don't drive around with plutonium in our cars. We could have hydrogen

fuel, but that's so easy to get that if we go to a hydrogen-based economy, the whole world will equalize and power. And that's what the U.S. seems to be trying to avoid. They want to keep people down so that they can stay up. People probably don't want to drive around on like hydrogen bombs. Well, it's... We want us all to own Priuses, that's it. Petroleum bombs, too. Like, petroleum's explosive also. It's about as dangerous as hydrogen.

It's just like you get rear-ended and it just takes out the whole lock. Yeah. Like, that would suck. That is... Everyone had to be, like, locked in driving. I think that's fear propaganda. Like, we're all going to melt if we have a nuclear power plant nearby, you know, like fear propaganda to keep the oil industry afloat.

Yeah, but isn't like hydrogen, as I understand it? Like, it's probably a bit more unstable than... It's just lightweight, so they have to... to put more, they compress more of it into a tank, meaning there's going to be more of an explosion. Yeah. But. That sounds bad.

It's equally three. It's bad if you're... It kills like 30,000 people. No, I don't... Let me ask Chad GPT how many people it would kill if you're... The cars will be self-driving by then, so no one's going to make any mistakes. It's true. Yeah, then if they're, yeah, it's fine then.

I actually, like, the self-driving stuff makes me so nervous. The most recent time I've almost been in a car accident was in a waymo. It was really, it was deeply uncomfortable because it locks you in the car. I didn't know this. You get in the car and the doors all lock. Oh, yeah. So it's just you and the robot and it's like, that's it. Yeah, someone got like Ted Kennedy.

They like drove into like a river or was like raining out or something. It got stuck and they could get out. Can't unlock the car if you're in it and it's driving. Okay, so speaking of the oil prices and we're talking about Waymo and self-driving. Has anybody else had a ton of friends and family members buying Teslas in the past few months with all the gas prices going up? No. I haven't had you. My family's all like.

I can't buy anything right now. My family is very, like, authentically OG, like, conservative, Chud, where they're, like, even though Elon is, like, tactically on her side, we think electric cars are gay, so we're not going to. Yeah, spiritually very. And I'm like, that's kind of how I feel, where I'm like, you know, Elon, like, thanks, dude, like, thanks for the donations and everything. But, like, I'm just, like, I'm just, like, I feel like electric cars, like, for me. The way.

And I'm already pretty soy, so I can't, I can't afford to. Your soy points are too high. So you got. Yeah, I'm, like, teetering. The way I view Tesla's is the way I view like a massive pickup truck where it's like, I don't want to drive it, but I want to have friends who have one. You know, I want to be able to drive in the big truck, driving the Tesla, but I don't want to own it myself.

It's a good way to look at it. Yeah. Yeah, I'll be out in a little bit. I got to like charge my car. Yeah. Yeah, we need to like solar power, some form of like hypervoltaic. Yeah, if I don't have to charge it, that would, you know, I would like it. Hypervoltaic.

That's a good one. I got a little that one. Yeah, yeah. That would be like super thin filament graphene layered solar paneling. The whole car could be built out of something like that. Technically your hat could be built out of something like that. But that would be cool to have cars that just charge your cell phone with your hat. Yeah.

Yeah, there was a YouTuber. I did a thing. He made sunglasses. I had like a solar panel on top of the sunglasses that flipped up and he could charge his phone off of it. He could get 1% like four hours, but it was still cool. It's the age of super thin materials, man. When we, if we can, that's the real, I think, to stop. In Britain, they're trying, they were rolling out like an 11-mile or 12-mile run of freeway

where the road would charge the cars, it drove over it. And that was like 10 years ago. They were experimenting with that. But that means you've got to retrofit all the roads. I think it would be cheaper to build the cars. Well, you could take them off road and they'd still charge. Speaking of experiments, Pete Hexeth is experimenting with, uh, sort of, it's really an old, archaic, almost, way of execution, which is the public execution.

And this has been well received by a lot of people online. I'm still fielding my people that are maybe not as online to see how they feel about this. They're a little bit more like, oh, that's pretty strange. J.D. Vance has weighed in here. This was off of the Axios wire. J.D. Vance says he won't watch live stream execution of Fort Hood Shooter. This is interesting stuff. And this is just very straightforward.

He said he won't watch a potential live stream. that he says whatever the controversy is about the method of execution. I hope the people don't forget that this is a guy who brutally murdered a lot of innocent people. Now that said, I mean, look, if it's all through live stream, I'm not going to be watching it. Kind of an interesting position. You know, usually you would assume he's going to go to bat for this idea. Obviously, Hegg Seth is defending his idea. Tom Tillis, who, you know, has been countersignaling the admin a lot recently,

Demed plans to make the execution public saying Hassan should face the death penalty. He's talking about the Fort Hood shooter, not the Twitch stream. I thought it was who you were talking about last night. I was like, you know, don't like the guy. That's a little harsh, I think, you know. That's a little bit of a, you know, let's ban them first. What's going on?

Anyway, but making his execution public and streaming it beyond disgusting. Public executions are what oppressive dictatorships like Iran and Afghanistan do. It should not be happening in America. John Curtis doesn't like it. So it's like a lot of the typical suspects you would assume don't like it. And then once again, a lot of the typical suspects that support it are also supporting it. Rep Andy Ogle says, excellent, public execution is what this terrorist deserves. We will be watching.

What do you guys think? Let's get into J.D. Vance's head here. My initial knee jerk is he just hadn't really prepared a response for this question. Which is kind of crazy because it's been long enough. Yeah. So I think he just doesn't want to sound like a psycho and be like, I'm going to be watching it. It's gonna be awesome. Eating popcorn.

Yeah, but then also, like, this response is, like, weird, too. It's like, you know, it's just, either way, probably not a great answer you could give to this. Well, did it say what the actual question was? Did they say, are you going to watch it, or did he offer up that information voluntarily? Because if they asked him directly, then I guess I'll cut him to slack on that one.

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I think the response should have just been like, oh, he was evil, like, just execute him. And then, like, gosh. Also, Tom Tillis being like, America would never have public executions. It's like we totally did. Yeah, we did until like five minutes.

Yeah. And everyone liked it. It's just not normal anymore. And so people, I think, like, have an aversion to it. And then I also think that people just like have an aversion to the actual thing. But it's just not mainstream. Like for the longest time, for forever, people were watching public executions. They were watching like blood sports for fun.

And like they literally were watching people just die for like sport. And that was not unusual. And now all of a sudden people are, you know, getting queasy when we want to just execute. terrorist and it's like, I don't know. Well, you still like, they just like hang out on like hills and like watch wars happen. That was like the thing you would do on the weekend. Yeah, gladiator, man.

They used to show up and eat popcorn stuff. It was like animals, it was a whole production, yeah. They didn't televise it though. That's the big difference. The age of TV is a little, like it'll be recorded if they do it forever. It will be remembered. Six year olds will watch it.

four-year-olds will see it and they'll think it's normal and they'll be like, oh, cool. Or some of them might be like watch it a thousand times and just watch the way he, like, it could create serious psychopathy in the human mind. And the strongest, most powerful, most supposedly ethical country on the planet about to show everyone some horror is like, I'm totally with not broadcasting it. I'm down with killing this, dude, if he deserves it. But I've been struggling, like the last one, I'm so glad JD, of all people that he was the guy that said something about it. And he's not the commander so he can't order the stand down or he can't change.

Like Trump could do it. I think J.D. I wonder if Trump's going to watch it. What's that? I wonder if Trump's going to let go. He's going to walk in like at the UFC match. And there's going to be like all this fanfare. He's going to make it somehow about himself. You want to put a bleachers up, have like Kid Rock. Do like a great game? Dude, the Kid Rock's going to be doing like the opener and they're going to roll him out because the guy's a paraplegic. Oh, it's so brutal. I mean, what he did kind of doesn't make me feel bad for him, to be honest. But like It is, the image of it is pretty shocking. The optics are really.

Yeah, like, we really haven't seen anything. And like, if the U.S. goes through with a public execution, then the Russians are going to do it, and the Chinese are going to show it. And then it's going to be someone that you are like, oh, no, why are they killing that guy? He spoke out against the Communist Party, but they're like, well, public executions are a normal thing to do now, everyone. North Korea will do it. And, like, I don't want to set that chain reaction off. I think it's abhorrent to celebrate murder or death. It's not murder.

It's illegal killing. I mean, the people that, like, North Korea kills usually, like, it's not the same type of guy that, like, where we would be executing. This guy murdered a bunch of Americans. He's a total psycho. I, like, I would make that distinction in the comparison. I also want to plug The Daily Call really quick because it's actually kind of, kind of did this. Our former defense reporter, he was the one that was, you know, bringing it up to Hegsteth repeatedly being like, this guy's on death row. When are you guys going to execute him six months later?

they're going to execute him. I thought you're about to say you guys executed your defense report. Well, that's what I said. Well, I was like, wait, if you broke the story, I feel like you should get like... Serve the punishment? You should like, I don't know, get like tickets or something. I just shouldn't give you for a rose seat. I am open to like making it a closed circuit public event.

Like a public execution just means paper can come watch, but not necessarily televised. That's different from anymore. Like immortalizing it is what you have issue with. Yeah, it'll be used as propaganda if they do that, like terrorist propaganda for 20, 30, 40 years of like, look at these, this is what we're up against. This is what we're up against. Well, that's what some people were talking about. They're saying that like this kind of strain of like Islamic terrorism, you know, jihad or whatever that they, like they, like they, like they want to be martyred. Like this to them is kind of like the end goal. A lot of these like

terrorists already are intending to like commit suicide in some sort of dramatic fashion to like really, that's like round out, I guess, the, the attack. And so yeah, like I had kind of seen some of that conversation on X. I don't know if I'm totally convinced by it, but I guess it's, I don't know, it's worth thinking. Right. It's a compelling point because I mean, you know. You don't want to give them what they want. Yeah, and like firing squad is kind of a cool way to go out where you should go for like max humiliation. Well, not to mention like he's already a paraplegic. I feel like living the rest of his life as a paraplegic would probably be worse. Well, he's got to go. I mean, there's a cosmic. Yeah, like, we don't need him.

Additionally, but yeah, there should be like an embarrassment factor. I mean, this is like what Singapore does with the canings. I mean, you're like screaming crying like a little baby. It's like, that's a pretty embarrassing. So getting,

you know, firing squad, it's kind of like a cool way to go out. I think, especially if you're like a terrorist guy like this, that's probably like the best case scenario

to go out, like on TV and everyone's like, oh yeah, check me out. What if you like scream some religious thing, some Islamic religious thing right before they get him and he becomes this immortalized hero

like Che Guevara, you know, like fuck that. So they should like put him in a diaper and like roll around, like cover him in like lip-in of like a Koran expert that,

finds out what would be the worst thing for him. Spray him wasn't like blood or something. I don't know. I don't torture the guy, but just, that's not torture. It's just like, well, you killed like 12 of our guys. So now we're even. Yeah.

That's not even even, but like from their perspective. People like preventing Nardododon. Yeah, I'm just like, how do you, like, how would you actually disincentivize? I was going to say disincentivize any of this stuff from happening. And their religion, it's like, I think that sends you to hell or whatever. So it's just like, okay, well, if you don't want to go to hell, then don't and don't like kill Americans.

Yeah. It's like pretty straightforward. I would assume. I mean, well, there was the stories during GWAT that they were like covering the sniper bullets and pig blood. And apparently it was like this whole controversy. But in this situation, I'm just like, well, this would be a pretty good deterrent. I would assume. Yeah.

Right. In the past, you know, horror things they would do is like they would torture him to make a confession that what he did was wrong and denounce Islam and all that stuff and just torture the out of them until he does it. And that's, I don't want that. we've kind of gotten away from that. I think you just do it in silence and forget about it. Like, uble at that thing. Like, put it away and it never, like,

I don't know how it doesn't happen that often, you know? I don't know. I kind of feel like Vance should watch it. I don't know. Like, I don't want to, obviously, I can't dictate what the guy does. But just like, from like an optics perspective, like if you're the vice president,

like if you're a member of the administration, like you kind of forfeit, you know, like you kind of forfeit the ability to be choose you in a situation like this. I feel like symbolically it's important for the administration to kind of like send a message. I don't necessarily, I kind of get what you're saying with like, you know, immortalizing it. Maybe not like, but you should be there maybe or like, go ahead. Have you watched executions?

No. Or do you, have you watched people get killed? Personally, by the way, don't really plan on watching it. I used to watch banged up.com back in like 2002 and it was just. It was just, it was like, dude, it was like, six sexual stuff or like a bunch of people getting killed and I would watch it over because I was like if it happens I should see I should know I should be witness to reality and it started changed me and messed me up and I realized okay not you're not supposed to see everything that happens in the world you got to protect the human mind no I agree

I think I knew that before I had to go to someplace like banged up talking it took me a while I like figured that I was like born and I knew it it took me until I think when after October 7th and Israel was going into Gaza and killing I was like three years ago is that that's That's when I realized, like, I don't need to watch it. I was like, I want to watch all this stuff. And they're like, don't bro, don't do it to yourself. There are people that are supposed to see it, and then there are people that aren't, and you're not one of them.

For like 40 years, you were just macrodosing like gore? No, I was at Mines, the social network I co-founded. I was the admins. I was one of the admins. So I'd get the boost feed. People want to boost their content on the website, and it would be this thousands of posts every day or hundreds or whatever. And I'd go in, it was like, this one's legal,

this one's a blown open body. This one is okay, this one's okay. This one's racist. In Minecraft. Yeah, and I would, it was warping, like mind warping and not, not. Sounds really bad for you, dude. It was rough. Literally, I'd say.

How long were you doing that for? Five years? Dude. Seven days a week. It would take me like, like a half hour to be like, all right, I'm good. That was it. I'd have a hundred in the queue and it would take me 20 hours to get it done because I couldn't bring myself to do it.

I'd like, and I'd try to like not watch. And I'm like, dude, that defeats the purpose. I've got to see if it's legal and if it, if it violates site terms, That's my job. But like humans, I don't think are really supposed to. Dude, that's like worse than all of the women that are like obsessed with true crime. That's like, I don't know what it. You were trying to scratch with that.

It had to get done so someone had to do it. That was so I was the one cleaning up the feces. You know, it was gross. And the thing with the execution, too, it's not just whether he shows up, but also how he portrays himself. Because if the argument for people who are okay with the execution occurring that, it's just, it's like, okay, then this is an opportunity to teach people about that. And so it's not that we're just celebrating. It shouldn't be a celebration.

It shouldn't be like that in a vacuum. It's like there is a sorrowful component. Like it is really sad that this huge. It's heavy. What they did and that that's how they fell. And, you know, as a Christian, it's like, this is someone like you want to pray about all this. And so, you know, it's not just whether he attends, but how is he going to portray himself? And would the admin, if they're going to go through with it, use it as an opportunity to show people, well, well, this is why.

Like if we're going to do public executions, how do we distinguish ourselves from these other states? It's like, oh, well, we have a lot better reasons why we're doing it. Yeah, you don't want it to be like, you don't want there to be entertainment value necessarily. We're not going to take it. Right. Yeah, and. That's a decent chance of that happening. Yeah, and that would be a little bit much.

It's a little over the top. It's just like, it's a little gauche. But, yeah, no, no, I agree. The worst that, like, I had been exposed to is, like, police body cam footage, but it's all censor. It's all on, like, YouTube. And that will stress me out after, like, 30 minutes. But kind of like we were saying, it's like, well, someone's got to, someone's got to do it, you know? Someone's got to carry the boats. Someone has got to carry the boats. And like, it's good to, I guess, no. But like, I don't know about. I mean, I'll watch one of those and I'll like go on a walk like to my head. I couldn't imagine five years straight.

Bro, it was rough. And I thought, I was just like, I can handle anything. I'm a huge. I can do anything. It's like my thought process. I can do it. But like your body can only handle so much. I used to play football like flag football with my friends. I would run. I ran so fast one. day that I tore my own MCL, just running. I'm like, you can, you can push yourself and you think you can do it, but you can only, the body can only handle so much before it breaks. And it's the same way with the mind, man. True. True. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I agree. I think J.D. Vance is presidential material, man. This is, this is a huge, huge deal that he's got ethics when it comes to this. And Pete Higgseth is a, is a bloodthirsty killer, which is good, because that's what you want, is your top dog in the military, but he's not the commander. It's up to Trump.

And I hope Trump makes the moral call here. I'm curious to know, like, what Trump does. Because I feel like I feel like he's going to, like I said earlier, I feel like it's going to become, it's going to become a spectacle if he decides to like go through with it. And that's kind of my concern. You don't want it to turn into like the freaking hunger games. Like you want it to be a serious kind of like solemn but like necessary, you know, display to prevent this sort of thing.

That's kind of the idea. Well, if I remember from the Heggseth thing, it's going to be at Fort Hood at the moment that he conducted the shooting. And I imagine the people carrying out the shooting have so much attachment to Fort Hood in some way. I believe he said that it's going to be like service members killing. Yeah. Like that's what needs to be reiterated. It's like, no, this is like for us.

Keep it clean. And we're letting you see this because you should like see this as Americans understand what's going on. But like ultimately this is for us and our feelings. Rock's going to be having like a live feed. Like I don't understand like the logistics because we just haven't had this. Yeah, I don't know. Is it going to be on like Rumble? Like I don't understand.

Is it on Facebook live? What do you mean it's going to be live streamed? Like on the White House Twitter. I don't, I don't get it. That'd be wild. Like in between like. And then they're going to make velocity edits and everyone's going to get mad.

It's like, there's going to be like hype edits of the execution. It's terrible. Yeah, I think my pillow ad on it. Maybe Pete's philosophy is he wants to de-sense the world to violence because it's real and he has seen it and he wants the American people to like snap out of this comatose post-Cold War. Everything's candy canes and rainbows everyone. Just let them in the door and what can we're safe. We're America like he wants to but you know you can you can shock someone so bad that you accidentally kill them. So you got to be careful with what you expose people to. I think he's just test driving it because like so many people always say this. It should be public executions and that sort of thing. And now we finally did want.

And it's kind of like a dog called the car moment. We're like, oh, okay. So I think it's like a test drive. See, if people respond well to it, then you can keep doing them. But if people are like, no, no, no, and J.D. Vance won't watch it. Then maybe it's a one-time thing, special edition. Yeah, because, I mean, without the context, it's unclear if J.D. Vance is saying I'm morally opposed to it, so I'm not watching it. Or I'm not going to watch it because I don't know what other answer to give right now.

It's kind of unclear specifically what's going on. I want to get to this story. Rebecca, this is your domain. So I think you could buy flush this out a lot better. But this came across my desk via you from the Daily Caller, Virginia officials grant parole to dozens of rapists, murderers, and repeat violent offenders. I mean, we're seeing these almost like cartoonishly evil moves by Spanberger. And every time I see it, I'm like, okay, well, this is just, you know, the right wing press. And you, like, look in.

She's actually doing all of these things. No, it's like insane. No, so the story with this, I had been doing some reporting on this this week. basically Virginia obviously new governor Abigail Spanberger she comes in and the parole board consists of five members each each governor can choose to appoint a new board she decided to fire all of these are all the yonken people she fired them all and she replaced them with five of her own parole board members and basically what they do every month is they like review all the cases and decide whether or not someone should stay in prison or if they should get released and i was looking through the parole decisions

from August and September, and it's insane, like dozens of violent criminals. Like, it's not petty theft. It's people who were in jail for, you know, the things that you would assume, there were six people that they paroled who were initially supposed to serve life sentences. You know, like life sentence doesn't even mean life anymore. It means, oh, if you get lucky with, you know, with the governor, then maybe she'll just kind of let you off the hook, or rather her parole board will. And it's insane.

there's a couple guys here who just like if you'll read their rap sheet it's you know it's some of the worst stuff and that some of the victims or like the family members of the victims will go to the parole board meetings and they're like please don't release this person they you know murdered my relative

or they you know assaulted you know like it's really it's the most horrific stuff that you could imagine probably whatever you're watching on that website it's like that and they're just letting them out you know they'll like you'll read the justification they have luckily a box so on the spreadsheets. They have a box kind of explaining why they're letting these people out. And they said

things like, oh, they had eventually sustained emotional and behavioral stability. They said that they have a low risk score or whatever that means, or that they had been actively participating in faith and community programs in prison and that they're just like, and that they didn't have any infractions in the last, you know, 24 months or whatever. And it's just like you're reading this and it's comical, like Tate said. Like this is like a cartoonish type of evil. And it's, except it's like right here. It's in Virginia. And this is just,

it's been going on for several months now. I think they, they were appointed in March, I want to say, and already they've just been, they've unironically been letting the worst criminals just back into Virginia communities.

Have any of these people committed crimes again? Well, so this is from August and September. So this is like just a couple weeks ago. And so until, like up until then, obviously they,

they weren't. but I haven't seen, like, I haven't followed with the reporting since then. A lot of these people are hard to track down. I was, like, trying to see if I can get in touch with any of the relatives. But because a lot of these crimes were committed in the 80s and 90s, like, there's just no reporting available. Like, these people are difficult to follow. The only place that they pop up is on the actual, like, decisions that are released by

the Virginia government that are, like, made public. Like, this isn't information that we had to dig up and, like, you know, and fine. This is, like, on the website. You click on it, and it says which parole board members, voted and why and a lot of these decisions five of the six people that were that were originally sentenced to life that were let out were voted to were paroled unanimously by the board all five of them were like it's fine should be it should be all right but the crime was 40 years ago yeah so like I guess part of the their reasoning is that they're geriatric or whatever but it's like well then

you know be geriatric in prison like I don't know you got sentenced to life like that's what the life sentence is and so I don't know it's been it's been really really an insane thing for a lot of Virginia residents to live through because it's not just this. It's a ton of the soft on crime policies that's been really affecting the quality of life for people. They do life or life without parole. I think those are different, aren't they? On the spreadsheet, it says life. So I guess they would be eligible for a parole. I've heard life without parole is it can be a sentence. I don't know what the Virginia... Because some states have life sentences long like 15 years. Right. But I mean, it's just one of those

things like on principle like it shouldn't be you know like this shouldn't be a situation that you're like this guy murdered a bunch like well there's one guy that murdered his dad and then left the knife in his head and they were like it's he's probably chilled out by now we just it's like a complete misunderstanding of the point of prison um right even in so far as like rehabilitation is not the point of prison the point of prison is this person is unstable unfit to be in society even punishment i mean in the case of a murder you're never going to get justice for this. that, right? This person was taken away. So the main point of prison is just incapacitation. This person is clearly unfit to, you know, walk amongst us. They're dangerous, et cetera, et cetera. Get them away.

Like, there's something fun. If you're, if you're going to go to the lengths, you're going to kill someone, you're fundamentally, you're broken as a human being. Should be removed from polite society. Move from polite. That is the point. And so even the most gratuitous reading of what they're doing here, where they're, like, let's just take them up their word and say, this is just, they truly believe these people are rehabilitated. That is just off of evidence of them in a prison environment. We have no example of how they operate outside of prison. Who's to say, even if they're geriatric, who's to say because their mind is so just broken that they don't just fall right back into the same thing. We see reoffence rates are quite high, especially in the United States. It's just

fascinating to me how like in some instances we have like all this remorse for these geriatrics, you know, when they commit a crime as evil as this, but since they're old, we have this remorse and we're like, well, look, it's just a little old man. But then in other senses, it's not the case. Like, you will see with, and this is good, by the way. Like, I'm not necessarily opposed to this. But with Bill Cosby, people are like, you know, he's elderly, but no one felt bad for him.

They're like, this creepy old man, get him out of here. Or the same thing when they find these, like, old Holocaust guards, or, you know, these like SS soldiers, and they're like in their 80s or 90s, and they're hobbling around. And they're like, I don't care that he's elderly. Like, he's got to pay. So it's like, as a society, sometimes we get annoyed that they're elderly

and we can't like hold them to the full, you know, give them the full suffering that should, you know, prison should entail. But then in other instances when they're old, something is just weird in the American psyche where we actually don't view murder is that big of a deal. Yeah. And maybe to your point earlier,

and like people, maybe are desensitized. But there's, there's like other crimes that people get more worked up over than murder, which is like literally the worst thing to do. And a lot of the criminals who were, you know, who,

were eventually paroled, committed a lot of those crimes that you're talking about. It's not exclusively a murder. Right. It's some of the most horrific. Yeah. It's, oh, these people have like, you know, up to 10, 15 different convictions, like violent convictions. Again, it's not just petty stuff.

Like, sometimes you'll see something that's sprinkled in, but the vast majority of these guys were in jail for, or in prison for, like, really, really violent, not just, you know, not to say just murder, but like murder, slew of other things that I don't really want to talk about. But yeah, it's, you can go look at it yourself. It's horrific. Oh, I can. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. I would love to see it all. Oh, yeah. I'll send it to you if you'd like. No, no, I believe you. I take your word. But this brings up a conversation about forgiveness and about, this is a conversation we have before.

I'd like to get your take on a two dozen is like if you steal when you're eight, if you stole some M&Ms and then you're 60, are you still a thief? I don't think so. If you killed someone when you were 14 and now you're 70 and you have, you've been like a saint and you've spoken. for people's rights and activists and you've helped families through losing people for 50 years, are you still a murderer?

No, I don't think so. The problem is if you're a thief, you can make amends for that. You can pay whatever that was worth. It was an end as you can go and return the money that you know is owed. You can kind of fix it. Or you can return the M&Ms, you can fix it.

With certain crimes, like rape, like murder, you can't undo that. The damage is done. And there's nothing you can do on earth that would ever sort of undo it. That would level out the ledger there. If you steal food and eat it, or if you steal money and spend it. Like if you stole a head of lettuce, you can still go back and say, hey, that was worth $5, here you go.

And maybe even more, you know, if you want to really say sorry. But you can't do that if you murdered someone. It's like, here's 200 grand. It's like, well, that person's not coming back. There's no. That's why a lot of people will say, you know, there's a civil suit that follows and they get a billion dollar payout. You know, if their company, like something dropped on them or whatever, like a piano drops on them and they get a billion dollars from Yamaha. But they're like, yeah, it's a billion dollars, but it's still not bringing back Johnny.

Yeah. Yeah, but the M&Ms aren't coming back, Tate. You can just pay for her. You can poop them out, but they're done. You can give money, but you can pay money for a murder, too. You can expunge the thievery from you by making justice. That's the idea of justice for. For you some things that's impossible to have justice for on her?

Yeah, were you asking about the age difference with the, like, oh, the person commits the crime when they're eight and then now they're 60? Were you asking because is there a certain point in your opinion at which you almost can't hold them accountable for something they did? I tend to think, like, sometimes people will do something. something once and then there's a tendency to be like for the rest of their life they will say they are that kind of person even though they only did it one time when they were very young and don't had never done it since and actually are are against that kind of stuff for their life and like why would you call that person a thing it doesn't make any sense and so people change and like I don't like to say like to put people in a box to be like no you made a mistake now you're doomed to live as that for the rest so yeah yeah that's just what I'm asking yeah well these guys are like repeat offenders too though it's like as much as I want to be like, you know, charitable to people who are just, who didn't make the right life choices and then, you know, have really been able to repent and whatever. Like, I think on, in like a personal capacity, I think it's okay to forgive people in a setting

like that. But just from a practical perspective, I think it's really irresponsible to like cut these sentences short because it's like, there's just no way of knowing, really. Like they could have exhibited all of the signs that, you know, they really are a remorseful, repentant person and that they're reformed and all these. things and then something could just you know a flip could switch and something could they could go out and do the same thing or something worse and it's just not like practical from a societal perspective in my opinion to be empathetic in that

way I think in a personal capacity like if you were victimized or someone you know was like I think that's fine to do that in that setting like you'll you'll see people who were victimized like find it in the usually Christians find it in in and to like to forgive their their attacker and like that's great but I just just don't think that you can copy and paste that on like a large scale. Yeah, there's a difference. I mean, it's just not doable. Yeah, there's a difference.

And my mind instantly jumps to Erica Kirk, right? And the forgiveness she was willing to extend. And yeah, you have to separate the personal dimension from the role that the state plays and wanting to protect other people like Tate is talking about. You know, even if somebody forgives somebody else for an offense done, you still have to take into account, okay, but is that person going to change? Have they changed? Have they repented?

What is their effect? going to be on the society because if it's still going to be super bad, then obviously you have to do something about it. And that's why these institutions, you know, exist in the first place. I don't even want to take the risk, you know, it's like, I don't even want to roll the dice on this stuff. Like, I'm, I've been so radicalized by the crime just like living in, in D.C. It's, it's, like, it's like, it's like, even the petty stuff really gets to me. It's like, we honestly, I don't think that we're being harsh enough, like, at all. That's how authoritarian creeps in. They let the society. You got me. Yeah, they let the crime come. And then they tell you,

the solution is let us have more control of and then people will be like please put flock cameras and all this control like I just think that we should like at least enforce the existing like penalties we should enforce a law as it at least exists like we don't really do that DC has such a low prosecution rate and it's it totally like ruins the quality of life it's the nation's capital it's like I shouldn't have to worry about using the public transportation or like getting mugged or getting assaulted because I like dared to go out with my friends like past sun like sundown you know what I mean it's like there's some there's just certain things that like I actually don't really want to compromise on like again personal capacity if you find it in it yourself to to forgive somebody who

who wronged you or attacked you or like you know did something horrific I think that's like really admirable but I just don't think that that's practical maybe it's just because I'm a woman but like I don't think it's practical forgiveness doesn't mean letting people go scot free like if someone's threatening me and constantly And I'm like, please stop, please stop. And they keep doing it. I'll say, you don't understand what you're doing, but I'm going to have to retaliate if you don't stop.

And then if they do it again, I will destroy them. And then I will forgive them for what they did. I won't hate them for it. But they must be gone because they can't, it's disrupting. I can't let that continue. But I still forgive them for, they didn't know. So I'm not going to harbor hatred. But that, so it's not about are they in prison?

Are they not? Like, if they need to go, they need to go. But if these people are legitimately. like worth a chance maybe 40 years of learning and dealing with what they did maybe I mean it's like a case-by-case basis well I guess to Rebecca's point and I understand what you're saying I just think like people aren't in the mood right now it's a sort of be in this like introspective well because crime's so out of control I can't really afford to do that right now yeah and it's not violent crime is actually down which is quite interesting people when people find that

out. But it's this like underlying level of danger that is still persistent in America. It feels like it gets worse every year because there's so much disorder. And to your point, this was something Amber, Duke over at the Daily Clark was talking about when the flock camera debate was kicking off. She was saying, look, if the police have demonstrated that they're doing everything they can and crime is still continuing to go up, then we can have a conversation about flock cameras. But her point was we're not even like, you know, even pursuing these people. We're not throwing the book at them. certainly we're not even like doing basic law enforcement like you can you can jerk off on the subway and nothing is going to happen yeah you can antagonize people constantly like you could there's there's a lot of like you know minor you know or maybe not even like non-criminal like behaviors that just like totally ruin it for everybody and it's it's it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like I remember last year there was the video of the the guy on the metro um he like mugged some guy he ripped some guys canada goose jacket off of him. It's stuff like that. It's just like, I'm like, actually, I don't know,

I think you should go to jail. And it's like so, it enrages me so much. It's like there's plenty of people who want to just live a normal life and want to live in a high trust society and not have to worry about getting their winter jacket ripped off their body by some like 16 year old in the ski mask on public transportation that also happened to jump the turn style. It's like, yeah, just to add insult to injury. They also didn't pay for the metro. It's just so outrageous. And it's, Yeah, I'm kind of at the point where it's like, I want to be where you're at, but I'm just not. I live in the woods, so I'm allowed to have been held. That's part of it.

That's a huge pallet cleanser. If I was surrounded by watching people commit crimes unfettered and like violent crime too, not just like stealing. I'm not stealing can be considered violent depending on what you're stealing. But it's like it's the overall disorder, right? Everyone just feels like everything is getting worse. And it's true. Like everything is getting dirtier and more dangerous, even if you're not worried about getting murdered, right?

It's still like everything is just the quality of your surroundings, your environment is getting worse. And this is why this totally neutralizes the ability of the state for these releases to have any power. And so far as maybe this person that was released truly has turned their life around and maybe there is an argument, maybe the people that were victimized have forgiven him. And there's an argument for rehabilitation and letting them out of prison. The problem is they fail to like enforce the law at any level, certainly at the lower. certainly at the lower levels, they feel to enforce it. So people are rightfully skeptical that they're actually releasing these people and they truly have turned their lives around.

Again, if the government had like, was, you know, 100% track record or a really good track record on law enforcement administering fair sentences, et cetera, then people probably wouldn't care that much if someone that's been in jail for 40 years and their geriatric gets released a few years early. Probably wouldn't even be a news story. But the reason why this kind of stuff enrages people is because we're not in an environment, of like law enforcement. We're not in an environment where people feel like justice is being carried out, certainly consistently, because middle class people, you're getting popped with speeding tickets all the time.

When I drive through Washington, D.C., probably once a month, I'm getting an automated traffic ticket, you know. That's all their revenue. That's all their revenue. And so I'm getting popped as a good to do, well-to-do citizen. I don't even have any missed to me. Nothing. Like, I think I have a traffic ticket on my record. I'm getting popped every every month because I rolled a stop sign or something because these automatic cameras are pinging it and I'm driving past homeless tents and people peeing on the sidewalk

and people harassing. And antagonizing families. It's ridiculous. It's just unbelievable. So I'm just sitting here and I'm like, I'm the one getting harassed by the government and these people are getting a free ride. So that's why not to kick a dead horse here

but when the whole flock camera thing kicked up, that pissed me off because I was like, whoa, hang on. This is just, if this is going to be anything like law enforcement has been in this country, certainly in major cities for the last 10 years, I'm just going to get jaywalking tickets. You know, the flock camera catches me walking across the sidewalk. And these delinquent slack-jaw derelicts who are just committing these low-level crimes at all times harassing me, making no one, you know, everyone feels unsafe. They're like literal crazy psychopaths. They get to conduct business as usual.

Nothing happens. Yeah, like you'll get a ticket if you enjoy a bottle of wine with your friends at the park on a nice summer. afternoon. But like if someone's fent folding, right, like 10 feet away from you, they like, nobody does anything about it. It's like this, like it's that, it's that gap that really, it's just like, again, it's the quality of life thing. It's like you can't just be, you could be a totally normal, well-intentioned person living life and still get hit with tickets for like random crap that like just shouldn't be, you know, it's not stuff you should be getting in trouble for. Or they're like kind of twisting the laws it's written to, you know, basically just make more money

off of normal people who didn't actually do anything wrong, but they know that since they're normal, they're actually going to pay the ticket. That's the sort of stuff that like just really grinds my gears. I hate it. Extraction of wealth is annoying. The legal system targeting people that they know can pay the ticket or that letting prisoners out because they're too expensive to hold in prison. I don't know if that's a calculation when they're paroling people. But I thought that D.C. had been over the last year so since the National Guard was unleashed a lot less crime and that crime had been going down. I mean, it's better, but it's still at the United States of an American city.

An American, for whatever reason, the United States just has, like, an inability to make our cities feel safe. It's because we leave it to the citizen to protect themselves in this country. That's, like, the primary function. I don't even know if that's, I don't think these blue cities necessarily are, like, Second Amendment purists, and they're like, oh, the civil. Because if you, like, if you defend yourself in a lot of these cities, they'll actually take it out in you. Like, infamously, there was one in New York City where the guy shot him in the back, so he went to jail. and the home intruder got off because, you know, you have a duty to retreat or whatever.

Which is so great. Which is absurd. So I think it's actually the opposite problem in these cities is that they don't expect the civilians to take care of themselves, which I, as an American, I'm uncomfortable with. But I'd be like, okay, that must mean the police are doing a bang-up job, right? No. That's not the case either. People see the cases where people like Daniel Penny or whoever else do stand up and then things don't go well. So it's like, well, why would I put myself out there?

Yeah. Right. Even in D.C., like, I'm not to be like, you know, not to be a woman about it, but just like from a female perspective, our options are so limited in terms of self-defense. Like, even if you manage to obtain a conceal carry license after you've like proven that your life is in danger and taken all these classes and all these things, jump through all these hoops, which none of the people who carry guns illegally and irresponsibly have to go through, then it's like by the time that rolls around, you can't actually carry it anywhere that it matters. Like, because there's all these weird jurisdictions. issues about like federal property and all these things. You can't take it on the metro, which is like definitely one of the hot spots. Like it's one of the most unavoidable ways that people interact with crime daily or like regularly because obviously people just, you know, take the metro and they get around the city and they just hop off the green line and like literally steal your Canada goose jacket. I remember there was like we would get crime alert notifications of like shootings at the

metro because people would be carrying, you know, firearms illegally and they're obviously more and they don't know what they're doing. But then it's like if I want to be in a situation where God forbid I'd have to protect myself, that's illegal. I would potentially be reprimanded for that. And like you get on the metro and you see some like large woman, some large security guard with a gun on her waist and you're like, my odds of death have just got like tripled. It's like this girl's probably going to shoot me or someone's going to take her gun off her waist. It's stuff like that that people interact with on a regular basis that is like so blackpilling unfortunately. And it's all happening in the nation's capital just to make it a little bit worse.

Yeah. And it's like, okay, you know, people respond and say, well, this is why you get out of the cities. And it's like, I think Americans should have the option in urban cities. Yeah. Like, I mean, I get if you have a bone to pick with cities, but, you know, and Europe as, you know, bad as things have gotten there, their city centers are still quite nice. You know, it's like this radio genoa slop on Twitter where they're like, France has fallen. Oh, look at all these migrants. And you go to central Paris.

And it's quite nice. It's certainly a lot better than American cities. It's their suburbs or war zones. But the point is, you know, at least the city is there still function to some degree. Like you don't feel like you're going to get your head salt off walking around, you know, certainly some of these cities like Amsterdam or Berlin or Edinburgh is fantastic. My point is, you know, American, especially American young people, because that's where a lot of the best jobs are, should like at least have the option of living in a city and once again not being worried about, you know,

being victimized by crime every single day. So, okay, yes, I get it. Get out of the cities, if that's your prerogative. But, you know, some of us like to live in cities. You know why? Because our ancestors had that option. Up until literally the 1960s and 70s, people could live in the city. And in many cases, the cities are actually safer than the countryside.

And, you know, depending on which state you lived in. Certainly not the case anymore. And it's just, it's these little, it's these little erosions of your sovereignty as an American, as your liberty as an American. Yes, your liberty isn't always. eroded by the government. Sometimes your liberty is eroded by government and an action. And crime is a great example where my liberty, as an American, is actually encroached upon by government inaction. Their inability to effectively police the community actually makes me, it actually gives me less liberty to go about my life. I can't go down certain streets.

There's neighbors. I'm from Memphis. 90% of the city is basically a sundown town. You know, sundown towns. White people have sundown towns. They're called Memphis. They're called Detroit. Like, we actually have real sundown towns in America. It's called Baltimore. It's just unbelievable. Something that's really interesting to think about is, you know, why is it the case that the overwhelming majority of these large cities are Democrat Iran? I mean, there's very few that have Republicans in office. And then you compare that with the fact that everybody's moving out of the blue states and into the red states, largely speaking, and definitely since COVID. And I think it's a reminder that a lot of people who maybe sit a little

bit closer to where we might on certain political issues, especially with law enforcement and in response to crime, are typically the kinds of people who aren't as interested in obtaining power or running for office or things like that. We see how power is exercised in a way that maybe repulses us or disgust us or that we don't like or things are unjust. And then that just scares us from it overall. But it's like if we want to create these cities that are going to be very safe, they're going to put the safety of their citizens first, then people on our side, so to speak, loosely defined, those people need to be willing to, you know, run for office and really be the people like making the change. I think that's such a broad pattern we see

across institutions as we have all these large institutions and most people can see the problems with them, but where are the people who are willing to step up and actually put themselves out there? The Ben Franklin quote, I think I was just thinking about when you were talking, is people that are willing to give up their freedom for temporary safety deserve neither freedom nor safety. And I'm thinking about like AI observation, spy tech to protect like robot police drone detection and like scanning citizens to make sure that people aren't jaywalking. Like at some point you can deviate from the order. I'm not going to ticket you for speeding five miles. But if I see somebody getting mugged, I've got a drone right above hand.

Maybe it's even got a gun on it. And I can just take care of the situation in seven seconds and the person doesn't get mugged. Like, but if I get it wrong, that's part of the process too but like do you support that level of introduction of technological security could you maybe re-explain what you're saying like would you be down with robot cops

I don't think I have a position on the spot about robot cops per se but I do know that you know like we were talking about earlier at the minimum people could agree to just enforcing what's already on the books and then do we even need them we just need like normal

cops to be allowed to do their jobs, I feel like. There's not enough of them. And they can get killed and they can get arrested for killing the wrong, for doing the wrong thing at the wrong. Like, they're on, since the Biden era on edge about doing the wrong, like, there's not enough. We just need to I get what you're saying. I just like, police need to be. Exactly. I was going to say, the police just need to be allowed to do what they're hired to do, which is like enforce the law. I'll be it sometimes it'll be imperfect and in situations where it's warranted. Like, yeah, you know, respond appropriately. But like a lot of the, I think a lot of what you're saying is

just hesitancy to enforce the law as it is because you don't want to get in trouble. You don't want to become the next Derek Chauvin. You don't want to, you know, you don't want to offend people. You don't want to get in trouble. And it's like, and that's been a, that's handicapped law enforcement in like a really impactful way. And like, I don't think it, you don't think we have to resort to like a bunch of predator drones just in Baltimore. Like, I don't think we really need that. I think we just need like a couple of good guys who are allowed to just get out there and do what they do. Like, sure, maybe even more. But like, you're probably saying a lot of, you know, people are probably demoralized by just like

how limited law enforcement have been in the last years like you've described. Two parts is that one is the law isn't always the right thing. Sometimes laws can be evil and you're supposed to break them to do the right thing, like in Nazi Germany, for instance. Yeah, or like disobey like speeding tickets. Well, I don't know. That is evil. It depends on the situation.

Like if the government were to issue some evil law that says you've got to turn your neighbor in, if they speak, you know, whatever you violate that, you've done the good, you're the good guy in those situations. And history will write you as the good guy because the tyrannical evil law. So breaking the law can be very good sometimes. It's just not usually. You know, ideally the laws are good and you have got balanced society. So just straight up enforce the law isn't necessarily the right thing.

That's why I'm concerned about having a robot, like automated law enforcement. Because if it's just by the book and you're like, bro, I had to run into the middle of the street to get the kid out. I know I blocked traffic and threatened a bunch of drivers. but like it was the right thing to do. And if I get a ticket for that, I'm like, what in the fuck? No, you need good cops that have good judgment that are allowed to, you know, exercise that judgment in like life or death scenarios sometimes.

Just like they should be like I'm not worried necessarily about the vast majority of police's judgment. Like the vast, I would venture to say 99.999% of the police force. I totally trust them. Like I don't think that that's necessarily a problem. It's just that like the crimes like the laws that aren't being for or not. being enforced are not like evil laws. It's just normal laws that are good that they're just like not allowed to enforce.

It's also because they're sworn to protect the order. Not the law. It's order. Quite disorderly out there. Right. So if breaking up a horde of fentanyl addicts is actually going to cause a mob to riot and throw stuff, they're not going to do it because that will disorder. They don't want or they want to

maintain order. At what cost? Sometimes it means they let people break the law, which is the weird thing about it. There's another like that's in that specific situation. that obviously the prescription there is just to bring back institutionalized like just give these people a place to go like that's not just like funded by some obscure NGO that gets unlimited money from the local government that like doesn't actually fix the problem like some of these people like that are severely addicted and severely troubled unfortunately like do need to be held against their will in some capacity because it's like clearly they aren't capable of making the necessary life decision to stop you know to correct their life, to course correct. You mean like insane asylums or like whatever you want to call them? Yeah. Looney bins, rubber remodas.

My parents met at an insane asylum where they both work. See, wonderful things can happen. I got married in the chapel there. I think that's great. Falls View. Really? And that never would have happened today because now it's, you know, super out of those. He was an orderly, dude.

My dad would wrestle dudes at the ground. No one's talking about. That's our third places. We used to have third places like insane. where you could meet, have coffee, you know? Yeah, and we've lost that. Dudes would chew on the leather straps to try and get out of the bed and stuff. Good old days.

I mean, now you've got to waste of those money on orthodontists. You can, back in the day, he's chewing a leather strap. He said this one dude, and I hate to throw Joe under the bus, but my dad was saying this one patient, Joe, it would, like, just start gnawing on the wooden bedposts because he wanted to get out of the bed. You'd be, like, stuck, and he'd just start chewing on it. Yeah. And that's, like, sad. Do you want them, like, in the park where you're, like, trying to take your kids?

That's what San Francisco. is like. Oh, I know. It's like the walking dead. I grew up 40 minutes from San Francisco. And like, people, I mean, I'm sure everybody knows this by now, but like if you drive, if you dare to drive there with your own personal vehicle, people will leave the cars unlocked. They'll put like pieces of paper in the window saying there's nothing in my car. It's unlocked. Please don't break the windows. I went to San Francisco in 2016. I was moving there and I parked my car. Went in. It was like right by Hayd Ashbury. I walked up, looked at the apartment. I was looking pretty pretty nice. 15 minutes. I walked out. My window was shattered. My backpack had been out exposed in my backseat stupidly. I should have had it covered. But like, I learned my lesson.

You shouldn't have to like cover your personal belongings. You shouldn't have to try and like disguise. Yeah. Like that's like some third world nonsense. You shouldn't have to do stuff like that. I would. It's shouldn't have to. It's human nature. You know, I, like I would love that for someone else to protect me from human nature. But at what cost is always the question I ask. So a great example of your liberty being eroded by the government. inaction is like, I should have the liberty as an American to leave my belongings in my car and then they'll be there when I get back. Like, that's, I think you're right as an American. That is being encroached upon by these fentheads. Additionally, another place where we're seeing our liberty eroded by government inaction is this fascinating scoop that you have, dusty. And this was in the Washington Post. Shout to the Washington Post for running the story, because this is a fantastic story. Your company's charity list may have a political

screen built in. So this is an example of you should have the liberty to donate to some sensible organizations. It's all focused on the family in there. Yeah. Very innocuous, normal charity, but this company here, who I guess a lot of these charity reroutes utilize has been blocking these great charities. Yeah. So there's been a ton of talk, especially this year, about the Southern Poverty Law Center and the controversy there with the fraud and the federal indictment and people getting arrested who worked there. And so what I tried to do in this piece is connect that abstract outrage story, which everyone's justifiably outraged about, to something that's more every day that affects millions of people in the country. So most people listening probably are aware of the

Southern Poverty Law Center and then it has this so-called hate list. So they keep a list of organizations that they deem in their view to be hateful. And the problem isn't that the list doesn't have any hateful organizations on it or extremist ones. It's that. it's overly broad in nature. And so after the SPLC had essentially bankrupted the clan, you have to start inventing hate in order to keep the money coming in. And so there's a lot of groups like Turning Point USA, Alliance Defending Freedom, Focus on the Family, Do No Harm, who are Moms for Liberty, who are on this so-called hate list. Well, how does that impact millions of Americans? It impacts them because there's over 200 major companies in the Fortune 1000 who are likely or potentially

using that hate list to screen which nonprofits that the companies are willing to match their employees donations to. So in other words, for a lot of large companies, they do a gift match program. They say, hey, Tate, we will match, you know, dollar for dollar, whoever you give money to up to, you know, $2,000 this year. Great. But they have to outsource that work of vetting because, of course, the company doesn't want to be complicit in gift matching to a nonprofit that's really some foreign group that's just scamming money off Americans, right? They have to go through all this process, a different, you know, OFAC and terrorist lists and whatever else. And so in the piece, I'm really highlighting how the largest charitable giving platform in the world, Benevity,

that's who hundreds of these major companies are using, Benevity was relying on the Southern Poverty Law Center's hate list. And then they tried to hide it. And so the two clear pieces of evidence were their internal global cause vetting document was obtained, and it shows that their in-house list builds upon the SPLC's hate list. Okay, so it doesn't consider it. It builds upon, meaning it's at the foundation of their system. And if you go down later in the piece, I talk about their CEO, Kelly, former CEO, Kelly Schmidt, and in her PowerPoint presentation, she was bragging about using the Southern Poverty Law Center's list. And so this, this company, Benevity, they're processing billions of

in charitable donations a year to nonprofits in America. And top recipients, Planned Parenthood, the ACLU, but then anything that would be considered more centrist or libertarian or conservative or family advocacy-based, a lot of those groups, again, like Turning Point USA, not allowed to give to, right? So that's kind of the basis. That's where the piece is coming from. Fascinating stuff.

Well, I mean, I don't know if you can speak to this, but a few months ago, obviously, had broken that the SPLC was sort of funding indirectly or directly, you know, groups that we would consider extreme, far right groups and that sort of thing. And to your initial point, you know, when you kind of run out of extremism, maybe you have to invent some out of thin air. So it's kind of curious. Obviously that was, you know, this massive indictment and whatnot the SPLC. So it's kind of curious to see that simultaneously, once again, we're seeing the SPLC, this isn't just like some list that doesn't affect us. And this is a lot. And this is a lot of, you know, is only something that people in conservative media care about.

Once again, this is eliminating your ability as, you know, just a normal person, a normal American to donate to charities that you agree with because you don't even have the option. When you go into this portal, they're not even available there. And it's because of the SPLC who on the same, you know, the same organization is funding the extremism that they're worried about. Yeah. Yeah. They purportedly are the group that's countering, doing the most to counter extremism.

But then now it's come out that they're, you know, giving millions of dollars to these, you know, the extremist organizations that actually do exist. So they've had a credibility problem for a long time. Wapo, to its credit, ran a piece years ago outlining this. A ton of people have done so. There's a really great SPLC expert, the leading SPLC expert, I think, no doubt, is Tyler O'Neill. He's testified before Congress on this multiple times. He wrote kind of the premier book, Making Hate Pay. And so that's a really good resource. But, you know, this cropped up again last year because the SPLC put Turning Point USA on its hate list last year. And then they put, you know, they're they put out a hate watch thing about Charlie Kirk, like the month of the assassination. And so, you know, there was an incident in 2012 at the Family Research Council office where there's a gunman who went in and shot it up. And it, it, they'd come to find out that the hate list was, you know, his inspiration. And so there is, there is definitely, there are connections you can make between the list and violence. And so as that, that news came out about turning point

being added to the hate list, which is absurd. And then as the federal indictment came out and they're funneling all of the money, this has certainly raised the temperature. so to speak. But here's what's even more interesting, and I'm breaking this on the show. I haven't told anybody else this yet. In my piece, I made sure that everything was really well sourced, that it was really clear to people, and I couldn't link to Benevite's website because they were hiding this information and eventually deleted it. So I did what any journalist would do. I linked to the wayback machine, right? I go, okay, it might be off the internet, but the internet's forever. I'll go to the way back. And so when the piece came out, that's fine, my links are there. You go to the wayback

machine, all the documents we're talking about. It goes right to them. You can see, the Southern Poverty Law Center and Benevite's documents and in the PowerPoint. Now in this piece, if you go and click on the links and it opens into the Wayback Machine, it says, sorry, that URL has been excluded from the Wayback Machine. What does that tell you? Well, likely, potentially likely, it's the case that Benevity instead of addressing the issue, they have contacted the Wayback machine to remove the URLs. Now, the internet is forever. We have those documents. There's still other way to elevate this information. But for us, when we're, when we're, you know, exposing these, you know, intersecting interests for companies, the goal is always to be as constructive as possible. So for us,

it's not about a, oh, we got you. It's about, hey, Benevity, they have a new CEO, Soraya Alexander. And it's like, you have this clear opportunity to demonstrate good leadership. And for the sake of millions of people who are using these, you know, gift matching programs to say, you know what, we didn't really know what we were getting into when we included them in our methodology. SPLC was kind of just like the hot thing to do for a while. And it seemed like a good group because originally it did some good work, you know, fighting the Klan and other extremists. So we didn't really know, but, you know, now we do. And so we're going to remove that filter entirely from our system. That is the kind of action that we would like to see from. Did you contact them?

Yeah. So our organization made multiple attempts to contact. Unfortunately, we're not able to talk to them. We also launched a coalition. This was the month after Charlie was assassinated with the various nonprofits who are unfairly placed on the list. And so we wrote a letter with all the undersigned groups who are unfairly on the list, who have again been some of them victims of this violence and just asking them, hey, like charitable giving should be transparent. It should be, you know, viewpoint neutral. Like if people are able to give to Planned Parenthood, certainly they should be able to give to Turning Point USA. say. So, you know, it was just really, really interesting to see their lack of response. But fortunately, there have been a lot of major companies responding. So in my role, I also get to take the research

we do into the boardroom. We get to talk to corporate secretaries and directors and investor relations executives. And so we walk through this issue. And in most cases, the companies don't know about any of this or loosely familiar. But to their credit, when we walk through it, they go, oh yeah, that's terrible. We should do something about it. So in the past year of having these a few dozen meetings with companies about it, there's around 10 major companies who have made the decision to turn off the filter. This is like the metaphor of AI I would use is like they wrote the code.

You went in and did a code review and you're like, hey, there's a bunch of bugs. Now they're fixing the bugs. They're patching the bugs. Yeah. And it's even companies you wouldn't really think would have that the most appetite. I mean, there's certain companies you think of. you're like, oh, that company's maybe more in the middle or more right wing. But it's all across the board. So, you know, some of the companies who had courageously, you know, turned off the filter,

Salesforce, Microsoft, American Express, Nvidia. So there's a lot of these big companies. It doesn't really matter the industry. I mean, for the executives, if you can really walk through, you have your ducks in a row, we've been encouraged to see the progress. But, you know, on our website, 1792 Exchange.com, we have a separate, you know, database or hub that outlines the issues with, SPLC and Benevity. There's other charitable giving platforms to. And on there's a page, it's how companies have responded. And so we'll say, oh, here are the companies who have turned off the filter. Here are the ones who said it's not on. They were able to prove it's not on. Here are the companies who haven't responded. But again, the goal is always to have,

to be well informed, to have the facts, and then to be constructive, because we do think that, at least for a decent amount of executives, yeah, they don't want to politicize charitable giving. They have bigger problems to worry about. Oh, I'd rather that they fix the system than get boycotted. I mean, the boycott thing can work, but God, what an effort and, like, everybody gets damaged. Is there a lot of damage? That's nice to see. What's 1792?

What was the inspiration of that, calling it that? Yeah, so in 1792, that's when the Buttonwood Agreement was signed. And so when there wasn't as much clarity organization when it came to the trading of securities in the early colonial time period. And so in 1792, a group came together. They signed the buttonwood agreement. That document became the basis for what's now, the New York Stock Exchange. So we're only about five years old. And the reason for the name is because we are in some sort of a parallel moment where there's just a lack of transparency or organization about how corporations are conducting themselves. People don't really know all of the policies that are in place. They're maybe not getting all the information they want. When they find it, they might be horrified at. what corporations are complicit in, what they're promoting, the money they're taking, where they're giving money to. And so this is kind of like a new call to get businesses back to business. So businesses are supposed to be creating value for their shareholders, creating goods and products and services that serve the society and the betterment of the world.

We're talking earlier just about all the amazing things AI could do in theory, right? but instead a lot of companies are spending millions of dollars on activist causes or letting outside interest groups determine the policies they set. So I firmly believe, we firmly believe that companies are a great thing in the world and they bring about so many good changes, but they're only going to do that to the extent they're focused on the business. You're familiar with ESG? I am.

Environmental social governance. It's coming out of the World Economic Forum, Switzerland and all this stuff where they want to transition the world away from national governments to corporate governments. And that was the big problem I saw was there was a lot of activism and closed source behavior. Like with national governments, you have a legal system that you can read and you know what the laws are.

But with a corporation, it's sort of like whatever the CEO wants to do or whatever the board decides, you know, they might have terms of service that they can change on the fly. It's very concerning. Are you focused on, have you given to believe that the future is going to be corporate governance, do you think that national governments can maintain? Yeah, so I think it's less about, yeah, I think the debate is really about, you know, the balance between the companies and their power and also the power of the state or the nation. I think what you're getting at there with the ESG debate is interesting. So for those unfamiliar, yeah, the ESG movement's about

gearing corporations towards focusing on environmental, you know, social and governance issues. So a lot of the net zero fossil fuel climate change would fall under the E, A lot of the DEI quotas and transgender benefits and things like that would maybe fall under the S. And then there's different governance debates about the rights of shareholders and things like that. And it's not that any single issue that could potentially fall under any of those categories is inherently bad. You also have to look at what people are calling four. But loosely speaking, the people promoting ESG, like you said, it's like the Davos types, the World Economic Forum. And it's really caused a lot of companies harm.

It's harmed their bottom line. It's changed their ability to positively impact the world. And so, you know, it's not really a surprise when a lot of these corporations whose brands have totally imploded. Nike, right, that was the big one recently. Cracker barrel last year. You know, tractor supply when that was the controversy in the summer of 2024, you know, a lot of them had, you know, knowingly or unknowingly taken these crazy positions on certain issues. And a lot of it has to do with the ESG agenda. and so for us it's really about highlighting that for the executives.

It used to be stakeholder capitalism, which, or sorry, let me start over. It used to be called shareholder capitalism, where the corporation would say we have to serve our shareholders, the people that actually literally own money in our company. And then what they're trying to do is, no, no, no, let's make it about stakeholder capitalism. So now we have to serve our community, whatever the fuck. Like, how vague. And you know what year that changed? It was actually 2019.

Have you heard of the Business Roundtable? No. Okay, so it's a good group. They're definitely great people involved. But the business roundtable, it's kind of this cool kids club of 200 or so major CEOs. And they get together. They often have the president or the vice president come speak to them. There's a lot of good work they do. But one of the things they did that wasn't great was in 2019, they issued this letter trying to redefine the purpose of a corporation. So historically, it was understood that a corporation exists primarily to create value for its shareholders. And then also, So further down, it ends up being good for their customers and their employees and people who aren't their shareholders, who are their stakeholders. And what you pointed out there is if you make this subtle shift of, well, we'll serve shareholders primarily to we'll serve stakeholders primarily, it's actually a major shift because the question is, well, when does that end? Because isn't technically everyone my stakeholder because they all live on the planet that I live

on? So our point is like corporations are thriving because of their expertise in creating a good or a product or a service that's needed, right? That's why we want these executives on the board. That's why we want people to have the jobs they have. The companies don't exist to identify and solve every problem. So it's not that companies have no role to play, but that's not their fundamental duty. And we think that the work of identifying and solving those problems, you know, happens through

the free market or through nonprofits or through, you know, there's a lot of, you know, there's other ways for that to occur. And I don't, I think if we change, if we try to redefine, you know, the purpose of a company, I think that's really harmful. And I think it would be really powerful for the business roundtable. After seeing the, the effects of ESG and how it's ruined a lot of companies, it'd be really powerful for them to issue, you know, a new statement on the purpose of corporate governments. Yeah.

Like, could we do every corporation has to have, or if it gets to a certain size, a stakeholder department, something that needs to organize with other stakeholders around the world to understand what that even, like an ethical, like kind of like an ethics department. Like what is stakeholders, what are stakeholders, a reasonable thing that works along with government to like national government because you want to keep that national government in there with a stop gap or otherwise the corporations decide society's direction, which would be very dangerous because they become governance in themselves. Yeah. See the East India trading company. What do you think about that? Is there room for

for stakeholder? Yeah. I mean, there's room. There's, there's an, there's an example. I can give that can maybe shed some light because I said that corporations play some sort of role. So, okay, what do I mean by that? Well, in 2024, there's a series of companies who were exposed, most notably by Robbie Starbuck on the internet, and he's showing all their crazy policies, what they're funding. And a good number of them ended up deciding, yes, you know, we're sorry, we shouldn't have done that. We're pledging to not do X, Y, and Z. And one of those things, they said, we're going to stop giving towards non-business, controversial non-business causes. And that's the, that's the key word. And so what was interesting to me is, you know, again,

we track all this behavior. We have a back-to-business tracker on our website. We go, hey, what did companies publicly pledge to their customers and shareholders to do? And then did they follow through? What did they do? And what we saw was a lot of companies like Walmart and Lowe's, for example, who were previously funding a lot of very controversial events, let's just say, all of a sudden started giving six-figure grants towards disaster relief efforts in North Carolina once that hurricane we were talking about earlier hit in Nashville. So you go, whoa, like this money came from their charitable money pool. So there's a money pool that was going towards a lot of controversial events.

And then now the company's decided, you know what, what if we gave it to things that were for the common good essentially, right? Like, whether it's talking about fighting hunger or, you know, the disaster relief efforts. Like, that's the kind of good a company can do that's not going to be controversial. Building roads, for instance, like improving the roadways. we could get a corporate percentage of like our national corporations to fund our national roadways. That'd be badass. There's definitely a stake in there. I mean, and I'm talking about like graphene in the roads to make them last two and a half times longer. You know, new roads, new electrical grids, things where you literally, the stake is, is, it's no higher stake than keeping the power on.

Let me tell you, if you're a corporation in the United States. Well, keeping the cars driving on the street. Something with high stakes as well as the upcoming midterms. We have here from Kalshi. Shout out to Kalshi, obviously a fantastic sponsor we have here at Timcast. Once again, they're holding strong on the markets right now over at Kalshi. A Democrat sweep is at 60%. That's what people are putting their money on. At the very least, you know, you got pretty much everyone thinking the Democrats will at least take the House. A lot of developments on the midterms front. I know everyone's a little tired, you know, exhausted at this new cycle, but there's a really fascinating storyline going on. on right now where James Tala Rico has vanished over the last really week or two. The official messaging from the Talleyco camp is, okay, he has the flu, you know, some sort of flu and he's been in the hospital. But we've seen some figures. I saw Spencer Pratt coming out a few others

who are, and I should reiterate, speculating that he's having some sort of mental health crisis. Once again, that is pure speculation. I'm just regurgitating what people are. are saying that is not the official position of Timcast, IRL. But it is fascinating, nonetheless, that this is happening. Because I mean, many people are making the point, and it's a good point, that, you know, a flu diagnosis doesn't just take you out of the game completely, certainly for two weeks. I mean, you could see being down for the count for a few days. It's very bizarre, especially when we're getting this close to election day. Fascinating stuff. What say you guys? I mean, do you think Spencer Pratt might be on to something?

Again, it's all worries. We've got a nasty colesore on his upper lip, and he's like, I'm not going in public. She's humiliating. He doesn't want to show his face. He doesn't want to leave. I'm saying this report from a local CBS affiliate saying that, because another one of the critiques is that it wasn't just Tala Rico, who's MI. They hadn't been able to get a hold of anyone on his campaign to, like, make a public statement.

And so this just came out. This is apparently from one of the spokespeople on his campaign saying, quote, James looks forward to being back out this weekend after recovering from the flu. So they've been saying this whole time that he's just had a really bad flu, which like so real. Maybe he got long COVID or something. So true. And it says it's been 84 days since James challenged Ken Paxton to come out of hiding and answer Texans questions and a debate. Da-da-da, whatever.

It's like normal campaign speak. But yeah, this is like kind of the first that we've seen in a little bit from somebody on the campaign actually come out and say anything. Nothing actually like super substantive. I think we're all waiting to see, like, actually Talariko out and about. And then Paxton's just been totally milking it. Like, they just keep putting out all of these different pressers being like, where is he? We're going to find him.

Like, it's just my inbox is blowing up with Ken Paxton being like Tavarico. It's a little bit much. But, like, it is kind of a real question. It's like you're actively campaigning so close to the midterms. You know, if you're sick, like, take a selfie video. You know, it's like, oh, I'm sick. Yeah, proof of life. Like, why is he pulling a, like, a Mitch McConnell right now?

It kind of feels like. It's a little bit weird, but, I mean. Mitch at least had that picture of him in the bed, which I guess, was it real. Did it turn out it was real? No one knew, but at least it was something. I can't really tell, yeah. Something. I mean, we've obviously seen him since, and, like, he's like, it looks like Master Uguet.

I'm like, dude, if he's, he's going to go out onto the Senate floor one day and he's just going to turn into, like, a gust of cherry blossom petals. I'm really worried. But, like, with Tala Rico, it's like, you don't even get that. I mean, he's probably, he's young. He's probably fine. He has something to lose, right? You know, this is an upcoming an election,

and he was challenging people to a debate. I think it was Tim that said, if you're challenging people to a debate, you're probably not doing well, right? Because you probably want to... He was, like, calling him and, like, recording it. And he's like, where are you, Ken? And he's, like, showing him on the phone.

I was like, that's all... So strange. It's, yeah, it's like... That's what I hate the most about midterms or any campaign season is, like, all of the gimmicks that campaigns think would somehow convince people to vote for them. It's like I hate stuff like that. It's like, remember when Kamala Harris was

like pretending to be on the phone with someone. It was sort of like notes app or whatever. These things can only go wrong. Even if they go all right. Like nobody, it's like very rarely well received. I hate these campaign stunts. But like in this case, I would actually like to see, like maybe Ken Paxton should just do a 180 and like call Talley go and be like, where are you? And film himself trying to call him or something. I don't know. I mean, there's a lot of speculation online, but there's like the real stories that we have no idea. That would be something, a mental health crisis. You went to the spa?

Yeah, like, we crash out sometimes, but this is like a serious crap. You're out of the game for two weeks? Yeah, that would be, I mean, I can see why that would be a rumor. Like if he actually had a mental health crisis before he got elected, before there was even a chance of getting elected, he's not fit for office, which would be an extreme thing. So, like, the jury's out, you know. Maybe he got, like, you just got an AI psychosis. Like, he was just chopping up with chat. And the next thing you know, he's, like, in love with it.

He got clawed and Chad GPD is like, I don't want to run for, I just don't care anything anymore. I just want to code. What are the chances that's just his consultants wanting him to, like, lay low? Like, what if the thought process is, oh, well, a lot of people are going to make up their mind, you know, build up some anticipation. Yeah, so. Yeah, or he's just getting jacked. He's going to show up, like, 10 pounds more muscle.

Yeah, maybe he's actually just grinding. and like he's, and we're all dumb. He's gonna do like a Mike Tomlin thing and pop up. He's built like a Minecraft world. Dude. He's been wondering where I am. I built Versailles on Minecraft while I was gone. Well, his account is, there's someone still posting on his account.

So it's like, you know, someone has access to it, obviously. But like his staff has just been a little bit cagey, I guess, which has led people to be, to obviously speculate about all the crazy things. There is also a good chance that he just got like a crazy flu. That's true. You know, like he legit might have long COVID. And like, that's not fun. funny. We shouldn't make fun of that.

You can knock you out for 10 days. If he eats poorly, you know, if he's been eating poorly and he's probably been running. Well, he's he amously some vegan freak or something. So, you know. Used to be, he's not vegan anymore, is he? I don't know. Well, I think someone was posting a picture of him eating like a ham hawk. Yeah, he was eating like a big turkey stick or something. Maybe he got sick from that. Was he traveling too? Has he been traveling around? Is that a wear you out? Well, in Texas, Texas is a big state, you know. That's true. Yeah, he's definitely out and about. Maybe he's lost. He was. He doesn't know where he is. Yeah. He could just be. Yeah. Yeah. lost. Yeah. It's hard to say. It's a real possibility.

Yeah, I find the campaigning really nauseating. Additionally, like, yeah, these guys can, like, literally die and their Twitters will still be running. The oldest person in the Senate right now is, like, the only guy that clearly runs his own Twitter, like, Chuck Grassley, like, obviously is running. Because it's, like, full of typos. He's just, like, talking about, like, his wife. Or his vacuum. Yeah, like, nothing related to, like, I mean, because you look at his record, it's a little, you know, touch and go. But if you look at his Twitter, you know, you wouldn't even know.

He's a senator. He's just real. He's like, I was thinking about oranges today. And you're like, yeah, that's way better than what Tala Rico is posting about. His beloved vacuum that he's had for like decades recently broke down. Oh, yeah. And that was pretty heartfelt. There were like articles written about it because he was famous for taking photos of his vacuum.

He's like, look what I'm doing this weekend. And it's his like 50-year-old vacuum. And he's like 90-something. Dude. Really old. Very, very old. But you know it's him tweeting because it's like clearly an old man on a black Barry.

Yes. It's like a zodiac kind of spelling. It's fascinating. What were you talking about? Chuck Grassley. I'll pull it up. This is, Talarico's office said he's going to be back on the trail this weekend. And CNN Town Hall on the 14th in Fort Worth is his next scheduled appearance.

Yeah, we'll see. Yeah, we got about a week to confirm. Yeah, Chuck Grassley's Twitter banner is just a really zoomed in photo of like a corn husk. Yeah, I just followed up. Like, you know that he went to Wikipedia or he went to Google and type in corn, screenshot it, and then made it his square. Dude, that's like... He's getting nine likes on him comments. I'm assuming this is tennis.

It's so old school. Is this tennis? Set to uni over Drake 2513. That's like my for nine likes. But it's Iowa. His is corn. And then someone's just talking trash in their

reply. Poor guy. He's just trying to talk about tennis. Someone took this video of him and he apparently had a backup vintage vacuum. And after the tragic, you know, the other vacuum breaking. And he said, disappointed my backup plan to vacuum for a family reunion didn't work. My 1966 Electrolux is also broken. Like, this guy is just, you can't, like, this is him running his own account. This is him. This is not a staffer's

idea. You know, he hands his phone to his wife and he's like, take a quick video. I got to let the people know. Why, you know, every four years we vote, we're supposed to get new people in, because he should get a Dyson. He should get a wireless, 30 pound, 20 pound, Dyson. Phenomenal. I'm not... I'm not... Analog.

He's like, I want the oldest... I don't trust the... I don't understand these new fangled buttons. He's Trad. What Trad looks like.

Like it or not, Trad is him talking about Murray State. Again, presumably tennis. He plays a lot of tennis. Is he playing tennis? No, I think he's watching like college tennis.

Maybe his kid, or I guess, great grand kid at this point, plays tennis. I'm not sure. I'm CMT. He's rants about Cratimt him a lot. Every time I see his tweets on my feet,

It's because he's, like, really upset about Kratom. Oh, he is? He's always a greatam band, yeah. Has he, does he know someone? Does he have a loved one that has... He calls it poison all this. He's like, this poison. Kratom's wild.

I mean, I'm not pro-Katom. I knew somebody that was like, Ian, Kratom's the new... It's amazing, and she was, like, euphoric about it. And then, like, six months later, she had, like, a depressive... Just fell into a deep, deep, deep depression. It was very addicting.

That sounds like Kratom. I didn't know much about it, but I was like, I'm not trying that thing. Can you get that at like a gas station or whatever? Yeah, you used to be able to pick it up anywhere. I don't know what the restrictions are, and I think it's an opiate. They put it in a drink called like, I forgot what the thing is called, but it's a gas station drink that people didn't realize it was in there, and they kept drinking it and they got really addicted to it. And now a lot of people are upset.

Oh, it's football. It's full into being addicted to something. It's football. Oh, football? It's not uni. It's University of Northern Iowa, I'm presuming. And then I'm presuming David Young as maybe the quarterback. Uni halftime, uni 28, Drake 14, David Young, I'm enjoying with enthusiasm.

Dude, I still don't understand what that means. I'm leaving at third quarter, David Young, Drake is in deep freeze. He should be. Without context, this is like, is he killed someone? He's in a deep freeze. He killed the rapper, Drake, and put him in the deep freeze. Valerie goes in a deep freeze. I get...

Go hashtag corn watch. Dude, he's out in like the fields himself. Does he have a cornfield? This is just a deep freeze? Yeah, he's a corn farmer. Oh. His name's Grassley. That's pretty cool.

He's been in, I mean, he's driven. I can't remember when he first came into office, but let me look. I think his first office was like state rep or something in like the 50. Literally like the 50s. When it was Wikipedia right now. His first, he was elected to the member,

he was a member of the Iowa House of Representatives elected in January of 1959. Wow. And imagine only working like in your only jobs. or just like being in public office. I mean also being a corn farmer. That's cool. So the overwhelming majority of his 93 years on earth, he's been elected office. It's a big problem.

The photo of him is crazy. It's part of, I mean, the- It really looks like him. Like the upside is- Well, he was already a veteran in politics on this photo. It was taken in 1970. What year was he born? He was born in 1933.

Wow. And so did he serve in Vietnam or, no, he was in politics? He wouldn't have gone. Is he in the Korean War? He would have been old enough for Korea, but I don't think he was. 33, so he would have been raised on a farm. He was Amagall. He didn't have electricity or plumbing.

He was born before, like, breaking electricity or war. I wonder if his dad served in the war in World War II? Chuck Grassley, so the upside is he's old school, so he's not, like, rushing into changing things. But the downside is he doesn't seem to understand the world. Like what's going on? Yeah. I think he actually knows. more than most.

Look at this picture. Salacious. Awesome. Our corn is now in venting stage, about six weeks away from harvest, notice indentions at top of kernel. It's like the save axe held up right war, and he was like, guys, look out this corn. Hashtag corn watch. Take back what I said about Chuck Grassley.

He's a specialist. He's focused on the corn industry, which is one of our cash crops. And he's on soybean watch too. It's a problem that a lot of people in Congress and stuff are not actually grass touchers, so at least he's touched to grab it on the paper towel. He's just grabbing the pick. You see one stem from one bean plant here and he's just on hashtag soybean

watch. He also loves dairy queen. He's like, he famously loves Dairy Queen, which is really awesome. Patriot. Like this is, I love this. Tomorrow, Barbara and I celebrate 72 years of marriage tonight. We have dinner at Hickory House and Waterloo where we went and we were first dating. And that's

very nice. That's awesome. I think that's very I've never seen have abbreviated like that. That's an old man. That's an old head. thing. That's what old heads, that's how they compress. That's how they stay alive so long as they save time on spelling. There he was with Dairy Queen. I think I just whizz past it. There he is.

Oh my God. Yeah. Oh, he's into it. What is that? Forty-six years for a strawberry malt. Geez, dude. No, I can't condone that. That's toxic. It sounds so good. It's better than Kratum, presumably. Let's get some coconut water. I got to find the vacuum discourse. Was this not on his He doesn't have a personal Twitter? I think this is illegal, but he

uses his, like, government Twitter as his, like, personal diary? If you search vacuum, it's on there. That's why I was annoyed, because I'm like, why isn't he talking about the electrical grid? And he's talking about football on his government account. I think the vacuum was named Beth or something. I think I misspelled vacuum anyway. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, you will see Beth no more. That's like a snuff threat. Dude. This is like you're like a proof of life and you're like, we're going to snuff her out. You will see Beth no more. See black. That's from electrical sparks. It's not safe to use anywhere.

Goodbye, Beth. I imagine. That's a threat. That's like a mobster sending you a picture of like your child held like kidnapped and saying you will see her no more. Your namesake is still a hard work. See that black, that's electrical sparks. That thing must be so moldy on the inside. That's gross.

Yeah, how many years is you? That's very heartfelt. I will miss you. See, do we really miss our products? I mean, that shows you from an older time, you know, hashtag right to repair. You can develop a bond with your vacuum. You know, it's funny last night the guest was saying like we shouldn't treat AI with any sense of humanity because it, you know, you know, totally warps your mind.

You don't view it as a tool anywhere. You start to view it as, like, a person. Chuck Grassley has gone the complete other way where he's giving vacuum, like a personality. I appreciate that you brought that up. That's a good point. Yeah. Beth, the robot, Beth, the dumb bot, you know.

Well, I mean, he's gone above and beyond where he's given Beth attributes. He's saying you've been a workhorse, you know, hard worker. He's saying he's going to miss Beth. Beth was over 40 years old, by the way. But I don't know what the ratio is, like vacuum years to human. 40 years of vacuuming his house.

Yeah, let's find out. I usually send this picture of faithful Beth before starting the drudgery of getting the farmhouse ready for the family coming for Thanksgiving. But since Beth is 40 to 50 years old, I'm sending when I'm done, faithful Beth delivered. Dude, like if you look at all of the Beth posts, it's like almost the exact same photo over and over again, but you can tell they're taken on different occasions because he just keeps the vacuum in the same place and retakes the same photo over and over again. But they're all different photos.

It's really awesome. This is the average vacuum cleaners, the life expectancy of a vacuum cleaner is five to eight years. So Chuck. They don't make them like they used to. No, maybe premium vacuums, you might get 10 to 20 years out of it.

A well-maintained high-quality vacuum can last 15 to 20. Maybe he just doesn't vacuum that much. I don't know what his cleaning has. I don't know. He's just obsessed with the vacuum. Does he vacuum or does his wife do it? I think he does it. But that's the weird thing with like modern appliances is,

yeah, Everybody has that kind of white or maybe yellowish garage in their fridge in their parents' garage, rather. And they've had it for 30 years and it works perfectly fine. And then someone buys the brand new Samsung touchscreen, whatever. And then after three years, it breaks. The whirlpool thing runs out of gas right after the warranty expires type of thing. Yeah. Well, there was like everyone for a long time, I imagine that people probably still feel this way.

were talking about how like the iPhones, the battery was intentionally being slowed down over time. And I think Apple had to like settle a lawsuit because they actually were doing that allegedly. The planned obsolescence, I think they called it. Yeah. And they had to set, there was like a couple. Apple confirmed it. They said, yeah, you update your iOS. You got us.

Yeah. And it's like, no, these, it's clear that like the incentive, the incentive for a lot of these companies now is obviously just like profit. This is the craziest one. I got married at the beginning of the year, but... Congratulations. Thank you so much. Just over a year ago, though, I was living in a house, and this was some of the guys from my church. And there's a fridge, really old, had to get replaced.

The guy, before he made that call, he came out to fix it. He opens the freezer door and just starts laughing, whoever they called and sent out. And I was like, what's the deal? He's like, dude, I see this all the time. He's like, come look at it. And I look. And the way the fridge was designed is that every time you open and close, the door, it's just like sawing its own wires.

Oh my gosh. So the fridge eventually is guaranteed to like break itself. It's like who approved this product? Like have you guys seen those really old stoves or like those antique appliances that have like all of the extra little like they literally have all the bells and whistles and it's like it has like an area that you can lift open and it's like a griddle and then you can close it or has like a built in crock pot and all these things. Like all these appliances used to be so clever and like really well made and you know intended to last for a long time. and now everything's just like meant to disintegrate after three uses. It's really, it's quite depressing. There is the hyper advancement of tech that we're experiencing in the last 30 or 40 years with micro processing.

And like micro, what do they call? Like micro, whatever. They're making it smaller and smaller and smaller. So every three years, you do get a big advancement. But I think it's insidious that a corporation would intentionally sabotage their product to sell more of it. That, I mean, that is almost like a terrorist act on our economy, if that's really happening. So I got big, big issues with that, with planned obsolescence. Maybe there's something I don't understand about the value of it.

I don't know. No, it totally ruins, like, the quality of life. Like, again, I keep talking about it, but it's so true. It's like there's all these small ways that, like, you know, your quality of life has been eroded. It's like, yeah, if you buy a shirt now, it's going to be made out of plastic and some child made it in a third world country and after you wash it like two times there's it's going to like fall apart that's like really annoying like you used to you know things used to be if you purchase them they would they would last a long time or more often like especially for um lower class people

they would just make their own clothing and like people just knew how to do that and it would last forever and it'd be like an heirloom and like stuff like that you know it's just like i don't want to have to buy stuff that just doesn't work or it's going to break or it smells bad or like it was you know, like a child made it in like very questionable setting. It's like sucks. The balance is like if my socks get holes in them 100 years ago, someone I would have stitched them up or someone would have stitched them up and I keep wearing them. Now I throw them out and buy a new pair because it costs $3. Sure. I'm like it's going to take me an hour to stitch it up, which is $30 an hour. I mean minimum. What my time is worth in my life is way, you know, so.

Well, these modern products may always let us down planned obsolescence, etc. But you know what? never lets us down. It is our Discord. And we're going to flip over switch gears here. And we're going to go to the Discord. We're going to turn to our Discord for some questions to round out this wonderful Friday show here. Let's take a look here. We got a first one. From Kevin Adel. And this is targeted to me. This is usually quite rare. Tate, do you still want Vivek to lose? I live in Ohio and don't think I could identify as a conservative telling people to vote for Democrats. That's pretty much as bad as the Lincoln Project. Well, the problem is, you know, Vivek's not a conservative.

I mean, he's not conserving anything. You can't even conserve an American identity himself. So he's definitely not going to conserve it at a state-light level, let alone national level. I think Vivek is such a problem that you can't run the risk of that sort of political behavior being permitted in the GOP because it's not going to just, it's not like Vivek is a one-off thing. Like if you allow Vivek to continue to progress in the GOP, continue to work his way up the ranks, you're going to get a million more people like him, striver, immigrant people that have no business being in the United States, let alone running for office. I mean,

Vivek's an anchor baby, you know, his parents were here illegally, just has no business being in United States. He has nothing in common with me in any meaningful way. And not just me, like anyone that's American, whether you're black, Hispanic, it's not a racial thing. It's just like this guy that's completely foreign in every way. And then the cherry on top, that's one thing. He's just incredibly disparaging towards Americans. He's crashed out on multiple occasions calling Americans lazy, just clearly demonstrating he has a disdain for the American people. So, yeah, it sucks that that's our two options. But I'm not like a slave here. Like we do have some autonomy and every once in a while you do need to tell the GOP, no, this is completely

unacceptable. And I personally feel like this is one of those instances. I've maintained this position, never Vivek. I'm not one of these people that's ranted about him in the past, but then all of a sudden when the time comes around, they're like, okay, fine, I'll go vote from. No, don't reward these people. E. H you. It's very abundantly clear. And no, I'm not a slave to the GOP. I love Trump. I'm a little to Trump. And that's it. I'm MAGA. GOP, I'm not doing a get out the vote for Vivek. It's not going to happen. The state Senate and state house in Ohio is blood red. They will be able to neutralize Acton. It's not like Virginia where Spanburgers coming in with a blue Congress that can rubber stamp everything. Acton will be isolated and she's going to be

gone in four years. We can actually run a serious, an actual conservative, an actual American, by the way, in four years and knock her out. If Vivek wins, you'll likely win the next election. He'll be around for eight years and then we're going to be having to deal with them for potentially VP or something. Well, that's the nice thing about like losing sometimes is that it has like a purging effect. You know, I'm kind of, I'm obviously would love for all of the best candidates to just be easily elected, but it's like there are just some growing pains that are necessary sometimes. Like once Republicans inevitably lose the House and potentially even the Senate, you're going to be purging a lot of like kind of crappy Republicans.

And then by the time it's it's actually politically viable. for Republicans to win elections again, ideally you would hope that the GOP would kind of learn from its mistakes and find candidates that are more suitable and that actually reflect public sentiment, at least within their own party, a little bit better. And I think you're, it's kind of, it's like a tough position to take, but I think it's right. Like, I think it's just, these are necessary growing pains sometimes. Yeah, I've caught a lot of flack for this take, but I'm just like, at a certain point, I mean, I guess my position on Vivek is like, it's too, sorry, no, it's too big of an ask. It's a no for me. I can plug my nose on a lot of Republicans, and I'm willing to do that,

but this is too big of an ask. Absolutely not. Why don't, I like him. I like that he was like critical of ESG, and he talked about how we could redirect our retirement for our investment funds through different indexes. He has his, what's it called? Strive. Strive, yeah, his strive, it's like a, it's like a, he's got some good option to like black rock. I think people like kind of, they view it as like a skin suit almost. Like critics look at Vivek and they don't see authenticity. They say that they see someone who's very rehearsed and obviously intelligent and like understands, you know, what politics are popular in the moment and what he kind of needs to say to convince people.

But I think people are concerned with how genuine he's being. Like they, I think people kind of perceive him as a little bit more opportunistic. He's a total Trojan horse. Yeah. And what I'm trying to do, the reason I'm being so aggressive, on this point is because I'm trying to create room for other conservatives to feel comfortable saying no, because I understand the moment we're in right now where you have a lot of people in conservative commentary who are saying, you know, Trump's betrayed us and, you know, we should just vote straight blue.

That's not at all what I'm saying. I live in Virginia, so my vote isn't as powerful as it would be in a swing state, but we have some pretty good Republicans in my district that I intend to vote for. So that is not, I want to separate myself from that while creating room for actual conservatives to say, at the very least the person on the ticket for the GOP should be an American. Secondarily, and by American, I mean, actually American, not a paperwork American. And then secondarily should actually be a conservative. I mean, the whole reason we're conservative is like we want to preserve, you know, Christian values and like American traditions. He does neither.

So he's not a Christian and he doesn't really seem to be intending on preserving American tradition. So it's just, it's a no. I'm sorry, it's a no for me. And if you disagree, that's fine. If you like Vivek, that's your prerogative. But I think a lot of people, and when I crash out on Vivek, I'm not going to blow up anyone's spot, but the few times I've come out and said, no, I think Vivek is poisonous to the GOP. The people in my likes would surprise you, to say the least. The people that are liking that tweet would surprise you. And I understand why they have to stay quiet. But I'm trying to create room here because this is a very popular sentiment and just everyone's a little too afraid to come out and say it. And I understand why. I understand why,

because we are in this moment of sort of max loyalty, tighten the ranks, but you got to put your foot down. I understand. I don't want to glaze him. And I know him. I hung out with him a couple times. I'm a nice guy. Yeah, sure. I'm not going to glaze him. He's a mega nerd. Like, he was a dude in school that was like, Uber nerdy would get massive good grades, just constantly working, thinking like nerdy. So he comes on the political stage and he's like, all right, how can I be a rock star? I got to do this. I got so he's playing that part. Where's the cowboy hat? Yeah, exactly. So that's He's larp. He's larping as an American. But it's like way better than a lot of stuff out there.

Like at least he's like a brilliant real guy that is like helping us economically. Because like, yeah, the culture war stuff's pretty and shiny. But the real issue is the meat and potato. It's the money. It's the economy. So even with the meat and potato stuff, like we had a reporter at the Daily Color News Foundation who traveled to Ohio in and interviewed him for like 15 or 20 minutes or something like that. and pressed him about H1B visas specifically,

because like you said, this is like the meat and potatoes issues. This is the heavy hitting economic and immigration policy that people really care about and that actually makes a really big difference. And he just like didn't want to address it. He was like tiptoeing around it.

You can read on Daily Caller. But it's like it's one of those things where it's like you can see there's a sensitivity there and it's totally, it checks out with that like infamous, what was it like the Christmas? Christmas crash out. The Christmas crash out.

So it doesn't celebrate Christmas. We had a lot of free time. Yeah. And it's just like, dude, like you, like there's just certain things on the important stuff even that he just like doesn't really get it. With the Christmas crash out it was when he was a tweet did it was a variety of tweets.

He did it in text. He didn't speak. It was all in text. Is that the problem? Because with text I think his tone was probably lost. No, I mean, no, I think it was what he said. Is it an actual speech or was it all delivered through text? I can really find it right quick. I remember I was, yeah, he was talking about. I was going to say the one I remember was he was like dogging on American football, right?

He's like, we need more nerd. He was like, you watch too much. Yeah, he's like, no more sleep. We need to be studying more. I'm like, just complete. I'm like, a nerd. Like, we get it.

And it's not just a nerd thing. It indicates that he's like a striver. And this is like why a lot of Americans are concerned about Indian immigration and Chinese immigration. It's like, it's one thing that they can like excel economically. But if you don't get like what makes an American tick, I don't know what to tell you. Americans kind of saunter into greatness on complete accident in many ways. I mean, you know, there's multiple examples of great men who,

like, you know, I think it was, I think it was Armstrong, no, it was Buzz Aldrin, I believe. I think it was either Buzz Aldrin or Armstrong. And they, I want to say it was Armstrong was, you know, at an offer to go to MIT, Harvard, Yale. And he chose to go to, I think it was Purdue, because he liked the football team. Yeah. That's, that's kind of the essence of an American. Like, I remember going to, being in high school and the standardized testing. And like, you know, I studied. I tried my best. But you had these like groups of like strivers. who just wanted to game the system and work their way up the ranks as meticulously as possible. And it's just very foreign feeling. And it's just not something I want the United States to become. And then additionally, for Vivek, it's like you also need to be conserving something. I'm sorry, it just has to be said. How is a guy whose name is, we can't even pronounce properly, it's Vivek, not Vivek, who is Hindu, he's Hindu, which is completely foreign of the United States,

gave his children very foreign. There's nothing that indicates he's assimilated besides his accent. Well, the whole, the conserving thing I get, but you don't always want to conserve the bad things. Like, fat and lazy, this comes up a lot that Americans have become fat and lazy. The dudes, the trope of the guy who's 40 pounds overweight, drinking beer on Sunday watching football for four hours,

passing out in his chair. And like Vivek's trying to inspire people to become engineers and scientists. And like, that's exactly what we want, if we want to re-industrialize the homeland. So I don't understand where... Well, because... Well, there was like... Well, so the quote that I have here now from the post,

the infamous post, that, like, really ticked people off for the little segment, I suppose, because it's a really long post. He says, our American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence for way too long, at least since the 90s and likely longer.

That doesn't start in college. It starts young. A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math Olympiad champ or the jock over the valedictorian will not produce the best engineers. It goes on. But like the hang up here, obviously, is that the objective of being an American is not to just have a country of a bunch of really good engineers. It's like there are qualities to things that you might, that the vague is like speaking about poorly, things like, you know, prom queen or, you know, doing football that like he's kind of being condescending about.

But there are qualities in both of those, you know, pastimes that even though it's kind of superficial at a level like high school, but like in the long term, there are positive qualities you'd want and just people in the country. like there is an excellence to achieve in sports. You know what I mean? It's not just like a boneheaded, like loser fat American activity. And it's like it's also quintessentially American. Like he is talking about it in a very condescending way that just misunderstands fundamentally what the American objective is. It's not just like a GDP. You know, it's like a people, it's a culture and not everyone's just going to want to like pursue STEM and work in a cubicle.

That's just not what the country is. The football thing is important because it's training us to. be military men. Like it makes warriors. There are there are virtues in things like football that are you know kind of scoffed at by people like Vivek. Yeah, it's super important to uphold athletes because they are like our domestic military men and and the prom queen like female beauty can make the rest of the world become obsessed with us because we

have the most beautiful women here like that can be a thing. Like why are we pretending like it's some lame superficial like quality to Yeah, well if we've cultivated but the keep elevating Vivek up the chain we're going to get more homework and more study. groups instead. The problem with football isn't to, don't denigrate the athletes, but I'm okay denigrating the fans that are getting drunk and blazing out, just blowing their mind watching entertainment. But you could argue that with some of like, I mean, maybe it's not the same kind of degeneracy,

but like there's just, it gets to a point with, with anything where it's like you can do it the wrong way, you know what I mean? But it doesn't, like you said, it doesn't denigrate like the actual value and like the athletes or even like a lot of the fans who just like have a hobby. It's like we're not allowed to have hobbies anymore. We're not allowed to have past times because you're not, you're not like maximizing your time to become the best engineer. And it's like, I can't just enjoy my afternoon. I call it the privilege of plenty where there's always going to be enough examples for you to choose from to pick the bad one to go, look, that thing's bad because I'm pointing at the bad example. But yeah, the wisdom in what he's saying that you could extract is like, oh, yeah, there is a certain sense.

Yeah, we do want to make sure our citizens are pursuing excellence. But at the same time, we want to acknowledge that our value as Americans isn't. only based on like what you contribute to the economy and what your job is. Like our leisure time matters too. And I just, I think it's really important that we continue to have this debate because it's not going away about what is American identity. What does it mean to be an American? And that's something we're trying to think through to from the corporate perspective. So actually last week, we just launched at 1792 Exchange.com, the American company project. So people can go on the website and nominate a company that they think that, you know, affiliates with and as a good example of

American values. So the three criteria that we've given for that is, you know, civic identity, like do the companies that are here actually take pride in our country and in our history, constitutional stewardship, are they, you know, making sure that they're protecting lawful speech? And then economic patriotism, right? It's like, are you really using H-1Bs and all these other things to bring in skilled workers you can't find? Or are you really, are you looking for an excuse to, you know, outsource things because of, like, labor costs? But I just think that, you know, this conversation, it really isn't going away anytime soon. And so people should continue to have it, but they also need to talk about it from the perspective of corporations too, because corporations are

so fundamental to American society. And we need to think about what does it mean to be here? It's not simply, you know, having your headquarters here or having, you know, the U.S. on some, listen on some form, you know, the corporate behavior also, you know, influences our self-perception. Yeah, well said. I completely agree. There's, there has to be more. More to stake here than just paperwork. From a surge X, it looks like this question's for Rebecca. When you're not doing politics, do you knit your own sweaters because the new ones shrink and they're not as good as they used to be? This sweater I'm wearing, I knit.

This is the first ever sweater I knit. So that's actually, I'm so glad I wore it today because it was a labor of love. It was not easy, but it was so fun. And the delay to gratification in hobbies like knitting, I mean, it's cool to be a grand. on now. I keep telling my friends, I'm like, you want to go out or do you want to stay at home and learn a skill? Like all my roommates, I've totally grandma-pilled all of them. Like, one of them makes bread. Like, the other one has just been, has also been baking. I'm running a domestic household. It's a tight operation in our apartment. And, but like, it's actually unironically. It's a

fulfilling pastime. And so, um, I do knit a lot of my clothes, a lot of my sweaters. I also buy a lot of old, like, vintage things just because they last forever. I bet your jacket's vintage because it looks good. I got on Amazon. I don't know. It feels great. It could have been in the warehouse. It's a slightly poor design, though. I have two of them.

I have a black one also that tore. It ripped. It's leather and it ripped because the... Well, maybe you need to buy a vintage one then, because I don't know if those will rip as easily. Yes, to answer the question. This dumb belt. Oh, yeah.

Oh, my gosh. Right. Sure, sure. We're doing that with the belt when they snap it. My dad would come out and be like, boys. And he would never hit us with it, but he would never hit us with it, but he would make a little. the noise.

Startle you. So just all that matters. Yeah, crack the whip, crack the whip. And he'd do it. And that's the American culture we need to preserve. Like, why are we trying to get rid of it? It should be you're late for football practice. Yeah, you're, yeah.

You weren't prom queen yet. So, so true. How long did it take you to knit it? This one took me like three weeks, but I'm like busy at work, you know? How many hours of day do you put in when you would do it? Honestly, if I'm really hyped up with a project, I can fly through it in like a week and a half because I'll just go home after work and knit for like six hours. It's awesome.

I should probably switch it up a little bit, but I've really been enjoying it. You're right about the delayed gratification thing because I'm coding. I'm developing software, and it's the same thing. It takes like 19 days, and it's like every day, 14 hours a day, 10 hours a day. And you'll make a mistake and you'll have to figure out like what went wrong. You have to try and fix it. And it can be actually incredibly frustrating. It's not as relaxing as maybe it might seem, but like it's very rewarding, which is what matters.

Well, with that, we got to wind this showdown. We're a little over time. I don't consider it over time. It's Friday, so this is just a few extra minutes we get to hang out. But thank you guys very much for watching. Dusty, thank you so much. Yeah, thanks so much for having me. What's your coordinates? Where can people find you? Yeah, people can find me on Twitter at Dustin DeVito. That's primarily where I post, and then they can go to our website, 1792 Exchange.com. All of our resources and research is free there.

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follow the label at Trash House Records on YouTube as well. Got some stuff coming up. But yeah, it's been a Friday. It's been fun conversation. I also wouldn't vote for Vivek. But we're creating a movement. It's like Republicans that are comfortable saying no. I'm not a Republican.

Maybe that's why. That could be what it is. I think that's, you know, it is what it is. It is for the best. It happens. Well, with that, guys. And I love the state of Ohio, by the way. It's my home state.

It's a great state. I'm not saying this to like, that's a political pawn. It's like legitimately one of the best states. I think Cleveland is a sleeper. It could be a fantastic city. I don't even want to talk about the cities that you should visit. Go to Peninsula. Check it out.

Peninsula, Ohio. It's all. Oh, dude. Cedar Point? That's in Sandusky. Unbelievable. What's my favorite place? My hometown, Cuyahoga Falls.

Okay, I unleashed the hidden gem. If you want to know what middle America is and what it has always been since the 50s, go to Cahoga Falls, Ohio. It's amazing. It's right by the river, the Cuyahoga River. I love it. Well, go follow Ian Crosol and ask him for more Ohio travel advice. With that, thank you very much for watching. Have a great weekend. You can follow me on X and Instagram at Real Tate Brown. And we'll catch you guys on Monday. See you later. Thank you very much for watching.