Timcast IRL - MASS SHOOTING At Florida State, Anti Trump Rumors ERUPT, MANGIONE EFFECT w/ Maggie Moda

Episode Date: April 18, 2025

Phil, Libby, & Lisa are joined by Maggie Moda to discuss a mass shooting erupting at Florida State University, Luigi Mangione indicted on federal charges, leftists continue to ramp up justification fo...r political violence, and Austin Metcalf's father being kicked out of the Karmelo Anthony press conference. Hosts: Phil @PhilThatRemains (X) Lisa @Lisaelizabeth (X) Libby @LibbyEmmons (X) Serge @SergeDotCom (everywhere) Guest: Maggie Moda @maggiemoda (X) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:51 BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. Thank you. today in tallahassee florida just before noon a gunman opened fire killing two and injuring six at florida state university and that is leaded has led us to the question is this the mangione effect is the impulse to violence something that is becoming predominant on the left? Does this have anything to do with politics at all or is this just a young man that has decided that his life was not worth living? So we will discuss that today. There was a post on X by Nicholas Decker. And I'm not going to say the name of the post, but this is also related to the questions that we're asking.
Starting point is 00:02:12 And his questions are about when is it time to take the law into your own hands? And I guess that's probably the best way to say it this early in the show. And so we'll talk about that. From the Postmillennial, we have some information about Carmelo Anthony's press conference, I guess. There was some drama because the father of Austin Metcalf showed up to the press conference. And for some reason, Carmelo Anthony's parents didn't like that. So we'll discuss that. RFK Jr. was in D.C. today and he was talking about autism and its effects on young people.
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Starting point is 00:05:16 up one of those. So smash the like button, share the show with your friends. We're here to talk about that and so much more. Maggie Modi, right? Yes yes I go by Maggie Moda on X and indoctrination on YouTube but I work for the Foundation for Economic Education opinions are my own I am super happy to be here thank you guys thank you very much for coming Lisa how are you hi thanks for having me I'm here strictly to annoy you well that's strictly what you do.
Starting point is 00:05:47 But if you guys don't know who I am, I book for Timcast, The Culture War, and I'm just here to have fun, hang out. Sick. And we also have Libby Emmons from The Postmillennial. I'm here. I'm Libby Emmons from The Postmillennial. I'm glad to be here with you guys. All right.
Starting point is 00:06:02 So let's get into it. Fox News reports Florida State University shooting suspect. here with you guys all right so uh let's get into it uh fox news reports florida state university shooting suspect who is phoenix ichner the suspect who opened fire at florida state university fsu in tallahassee florida on thursday killing two and injuring six others was identified by law enforcement officials as the 20 year old son of a sheriff's deputy, Leon County Sheriff Walter McNeil identified Phoenix Ichner as the shooter, saying, It's not a surprise to us that he had access to weapons. I mean, shouldn't a sheriff's deputy know how to secure their weapons? They continue, his mother, Jessica Ichner, is a sheriff's deputy with the Leon County Sheriff's Office.
Starting point is 00:06:43 She's been with the office for over 18 years, and McNeil said she has done a tremendous job in her position. During the course of her career, authorities said she served as a school resource officer. McNeil said Phoenix Ichner used his mother's handgun in the shooting at FSU. Apparently, this young man or he's he's been there's questions surrounding whether or not this is a politically motivated or whether there was any politics involved in this or whether this was just another young kid that was somehow struggling with modern society, which seems to be almost the norm nowadays. So what do you guys think? Do you guys believe that this has got something broader than just a kid that has decided that he's had enough of the day-to-day living in the U.S.? Yeah, I think everyone automatically jumped on this idea that he's an anti-Trump protester, that he was part of this socialist student union club. I think the quote they're pulling from this article kind of proves that he's not part of them. If you read the line before it, it said, once the protesters reached the integration statue,
Starting point is 00:07:59 Florida State University Police Department officers stood on guard and groups of onlookers began to form. And then they bring in his quote, these people are usually pretty entertaining, usually not for good reasons. I think it's a little too late. He's already going to be inaugurated on January 20th. And there's not not and there's not really much you can do unless you outright revolt. And I don't think anyone wants that. It seems to me that he's not an anti-trumper it it doesn't really seem like he has an opinion on him really libby what do you got i you know i i am not sure either i don't know that we have necessarily a political motivation at this point we have seen a lot of politically motivated violence of late.
Starting point is 00:08:45 There was Luigi Mangione, obviously. But even since then, there's been the Tesla violence. There was this kid in Wisconsin who killed his parents as part of a plot to overthrow Trump and the government and then secretly head off to Ukraine. And this is just some of it. Was he actually in touch with anyone in Ukraine? According to the FBI documents, it looks like he was. There was someone he was in touch with who had a Ukrainian phone number. And he was talking to this person over text about what's going to happen when he moves to Ukraine and how that's going to go down. That's a similar situation to the attempted assassination attempt on Donald Trump earlier last year. Right. Ryan Ruth in September at the golf course. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:30 So he was in contact, also was in contact with Ukraine. But in Ruth's case, that was a situation where he had been like doing fundraising and advocacy for Ukraine for a while at that point. And I think had even been there. We also saw recently a poll that came out that was like, what was it, 55% of Americans think that it's reasonable to assassinate Donald Trump. Americans? Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was. 55%? Wasn't it?
Starting point is 00:09:57 Do I have this totally wrong? I don't think it was Americans. I think it was Democrats. That's unbelievable. Was it Democrats? I think so, yeah. Let me look up in my- I don't think Donald Trump's, like Donald Trump's, his his his likability has gone down a little bit.
Starting point is 00:10:09 Fifty five percent of left leaning Americans say it's somewhat justified to kill Trump. Yeah. Yeah. And so what we have is a situation where for years we've had people on the left saying words are violence, which makes them think that self-defense is reasonable. And if words are violence, then violence is violence. And they can just, you know, spout off and hurt people because of that. So you think that the narrative being spun or the phrase like such phrases like words are violence, you think that that's contributing or do you think that? I just think it's part of the overall ethos. Right. If words are violence, then if you insult me, self-defense. So I can, you know, take out some kind of aggression against you because of that.
Starting point is 00:10:53 So I saw a tweet today and I forget who it was that that actually said it. And I apologize. But it started off with the with the idea that on the left, they believe that violence can be used like a volume knob. You can turn it up and you can turn it down. So you can go from just, you know, getting into fistfights and brawls up to actually firebombing Tesla dealerships to actually murdering people. Whereas with the right, they tend to look at violence as either totally off limits or that's all you're doing it's a light switch do you guys have a sense that you see those kind of those kind of do you feel like people have that kind of understanding or i think that just the left is increasingly more violent than the right even though they try to play that it's the other
Starting point is 00:11:41 way around but even more than that i think that there's a big problem lately with teens and violence like across America. Teen violence in general is skyrocketing and nobody really wants to talk about it. I'm talking from like, you know, 12, 13, 14 up. Are you talking about fighting or murders? Murders, violence in general. Like you look at this other kid that was doing the trump thing this school shooter like it's just over and over again we see that it it's almost like they have no morality
Starting point is 00:12:09 there was a clip of um of somebody like filming this mass shooting and they they filmed the body like do you have no sanctity for life it's almost like that's that's even more of a problem so i saw the video that oh go ahead i saw the video that you're talking about i didn't have i didn't have a chance to listen to it was there any audio were they saying she was just taking a sip of her starbucks walking casually was she actually taking a sip yes okay because it looked to me like the starbucks cup was in the shot yes i saw the starbucks past this woman who is either you know dying or it's like very injured yeah um and she just walks past and what's interesting is that she filmed it right
Starting point is 00:12:52 most of this generation is being exposed to brutal violence daily online and you know not all of this violence that's been happening the school school shootings, have been political. Some of it has come through the true crime community. And what's really interesting about that community is that they really venerate these school shooters and really sanctify them. So did Audrey Hale. Really creepy. Like Audrey Hale. Audrey was Tennessee?
Starting point is 00:13:21 Audrey was Tennessee. The Covenant school shooting killed three children and three staff members at a school. And when they finally released all of these notebooks that she had in it, she was really venerating the Columbine shooters. She really thought that they were just the bee's knees. Yeah. And so women, apparently women and men are coming to this through two different paths. So girls are coming to it through, you know, like eating disorder communities. Really?
Starting point is 00:13:49 Yeah. And then men or young boys are coming to these communities through gore. So, you know, so like I'm of the generation. You're talking about white kids, but black kids are coming through drill rap and Instagram beef. So to your point, hold on, to your point about, about like coming to it through, through gore, like I'm of the generation when like rotten.com was still a thing when like you could go to live leak and there were graphic things like, and I've seen, I mean, I've seen all the, you know, as a young guy,
Starting point is 00:14:19 not as a teenager, right. Because it was, I was a teenager in the early nineties, but like when rotten.com was a thing in the early aughts and stuff i've seen all the you know the chainsaws and and the mexican cartel violence and stuff like that i don't get the sense that my generation had more violence because of that stuff so do you think that you might have been old enough to be able to process that and and recognize it as wrong but think about these kids that are getting you know computers at 10 or 11 and that's what they're seeing and they're exposing
Starting point is 00:14:51 themselves to that constantly on a day in day but my point is like you can't that's this the internet's way less of the wild west than it was back 20 years ago it was harder to access to yeah now that my point is nowadays is there is there i it's my my understanding or my impression that the internet is actually more sanitized than it used to be you can't there are there are so we talk about uh um there's a lot of murders that have happened that you can't actually find the original videos of anymore. Yeah. I mean, you mentioned the Gore thing. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:28 And in the FBI documents with the Wisconsin teen, this guy, Nikolai Kassop, a classmate told the FBI that Kassop would send Gore edit videos that included flashing gory and war images put to Russian music via Snapchat. And then he said, you know, that he intended to kill his parents. But he was involved in this gore stuff. But I think that certainly people can be conditioned to accept measures of violence. And that can happen through, you know, a number of different ways. Like this is something that we've seen in war, like soldiers will be intentionally conditioned to accept violence and extreme horror and things like that. That's definitely true. But for decades and decades now, we've been told that it's either, you know, heavy metal music that's causing our kids to go nuts or it's rap music or it's all of these different things.
Starting point is 00:16:29 And I think that there's something different going on than just, you know, this experience of seeing horrifying things or, you know. I mean, listen, it's definitely it's definitely. And there's a there's just a there's a lack of respect for life. Yeah, there's a lack of belief in an everlasting soul. There's a lack of a belief that you have an innate part of yourself that cannot be that that, you know, you can protect that can't be broken. You know, I think that kind of concept is missing. And whether it's the decline of religion or the decline of any care for our neighbors. And then just to what you were saying about the cell phones, I think people use cell phones as a shield and they think they're protected
Starting point is 00:17:09 from it. Like I remember riding the subway when I lived in New York and I would think like, if I look at my phone, no one's going to bother me. Well, that's stupid. That doesn't mean anything. I think it's absent parenting. Yeah. I think, well, there's that too, but that's not the only thing. Yeah. But I think it's a bigger concept. Like a lot of these kids are killing each other over like disses or being made fun of or being insulted or those type of things.
Starting point is 00:17:29 Honor culture kind of thing? It's not honor culture. That's the kind of thing that you're describing. That's why I'm asking. I'm asking you the question. You don't need to roll your eyes at me. Honor culture makes it seem like there's something noble about it. There's something noble about this. These people don't earn respect.
Starting point is 00:17:45 What happens is they don't have any self-esteem. They don't have any self-respect. And they don't have anybody to guide them. And so instead of doing something productive with their lives, they take this short way to get this instant gratification. They put it on Instagram for clicks. And that's why I don't think it's about, like, drill the music. It's just that they diss them in the music. It's about the attention and the need to feel a void and feel special, feel connected to something because they're not connected to their parents.
Starting point is 00:18:11 They're not connected to their neighborhoods. They're not connected to their school. They're totally empty, miserable vessels. And so they're filling it with whatever attention they can and they ratchet it up. Like so it would be street fighting or it would be carjacking. And now it's shooting people who dish you on a song on Instagram. It is a literal emptiness that they're feeling because they have no self-esteem. Nihilism, ultimately, I mean, it's very empty.
Starting point is 00:18:38 But ultimately, people just don't end up valuing human life. And Taylor Lorenz was recently on Hannity, I think it was, saying that she doesn't believe in souls. I mean, it's no wonder that she's endorsing Luigi Mangione. Yeah, I mean, well, I mean, so Taylor Lorenz not, you know, not believing in souls is typical of either an agnostic or an atheist. And Taylor Lorenz is, you know, I mean, fine. She can believe what she wants, but everyone knows she's kind of a moron anyway.
Starting point is 00:19:09 So I don't know that I'm convinced that it is either music. And the reason I say that is because like the things that you're describing in drill rap where they'll diss each other on Instagram and stuff. Look, you saw that. That's the byproduct of what's happening. You saw that stuff in the early 90s. No, it's not like this. This is not the same. I swear to God.
Starting point is 00:19:32 So how is it not the same when you had Dr. Dre and Eazy-E and all those guys. But it wasn't cool for 12-year-olds to go to try to kill their, quote, ops just because they got dissed on a song. It is slaughter. So I'm talking every other week we have a 13-year-old dying, a 16-year-old dying, a 14-year-old dying in Philly. Like, every week. And no one is talking about it. And then it's spreading. Wasn't the murder rate really high in Southern California
Starting point is 00:19:56 back in the 90s? During the COVID epidemic in 2022, they got stimulus checks and they admitted in tons of these videos like Brandon Buckingham and all these other people did like videos about what it was like in that culture. And they with their stimulus checks, they bought guns. They literally bought guns and the killings ratcheted up by like 50 percent. And it's still happening.
Starting point is 00:20:16 Even I'm going to give Larry Krasner credit here is that he's really like buckling down. And we just arrested like I think it was like nine kids and they were involved in at least 16 violent homicides. One kid had five bodies that just got shot. I'm talking like these are kids slaughtering each other and it's spreading. It's kind of like this Carmelo Anthony kid. He felt like he got this and the answer was to kill somebody. It's it is definitely spreading. It's not just in the inner city and it's spreading from like Instagram and the music. But it's not the music that's driving it. It's not just in the inner city. And it's spreading from like Instagram and the music.
Starting point is 00:20:45 But it's not the music that's driving it. It's the culture that's driving it. Music is like a side product of it, like an externality. It's bad, though. And nobody even knows. Like I talk to people all the time. How many teenagers died in the last three months in Philly? They have no idea.
Starting point is 00:21:00 It's the underlying beliefs about human life. Right. And those beliefs come with those communities or certain parts of those communities now it's not that like the entire community believes that it's that this is how radicalization works all over the internet you you have a funnel you know that gets more and more extreme towards the bottom okay um well the reason i asked so you're talking about the you're talking about you know predominantly black kids well in that situation, that situation. But aren't isn't isn't the black community one of the most religious communities? Now, granted, you're turning Muslim and it's especially in the inner cities like our Muslim population is growing exponentially through converts. Big time. We have one of the biggest black convert to Muslim population in all of America that They had a couple of years ago, I think it was five years ago or something,
Starting point is 00:21:47 they had kids from Philly singing things about like killing infidels and stuff that was like a teen thing. And they're like, sorry, we put it up. It was an accident. We didn't mean to, but like there's- Sorry we put it up. Not sorry we were doing it.
Starting point is 00:21:58 Sorry we put it on the internet. Yeah, yeah, like they were like, that was an oversight. Like, no, it's an oversight that you got caught and they're over there like literally singing about killing people and beheading infidels. Like, I'm not kidding. And it is, like, no, it's an oversight that you got caught. And they're over there, like, literally singing about killing people and beheading infidels. Like, I'm not kidding. And it is, yeah, they're religious in that way.
Starting point is 00:22:10 But these kids, they, like, quote, jump off the porch. And there's no parent structure. And some of the moms are involved. There was this one mom. She's on Instagram bopping her head. Like, after the kid who shot her son got shot, she was, like, all bragging. She's, like, I'm going to smoke a dupe. I'm going to do a shot, like, to, like, praise his death.
Starting point is 00:22:29 Like, the parents, because they're so young and they're also no structure in their life, like, they're in on it. It's crazy. And it's spreading. But, like, it is spreading. Hmm. Libby, what do you know of this murderous culture that Lisa's describing? You have to look into it. I don't know much about the murderous culture that Lisa's describing? You have to look into it. I don't know much about the murderous culture that Lisa's describing. Watch American Confidential.
Starting point is 00:22:50 You know, I got out of cities a couple of years ago. Yeah, you were smart. I listened to Tim Pool. I know, and Jack and everybody. But yeah. I can't. Yeah, no, it's weird. But I lived in a very Muslim neighborhood in Brooklyn in Bay Ridge.
Starting point is 00:23:05 And there were protests almost every weekend right on my block against Israel and pro-Palestinian and all that stuff. And that was way before October 2023. And there was a very large Muslim population there. In fact, that is where Linda Sarsour is from, you know, who led the women's March until she was kicked out for being anti-Semitic. And it's also where the bin Laden family used to hang out before. Yeah. Before nine 11.
Starting point is 00:23:39 So it's a longstanding Islamic neighborhood. But I haven't looked too much into. No, the contemporary stuff. One of my high school classmates, though, did convert to Islam, which I discovered at a class reunion years later. They have this thing like where you'll see them like they come out of prison and she has the darkest mark on their head, shows their most loyalty to Islam like they have. Like it's a thing. Wow. All right. Well, we're going to on that note. So we're going to go to something that we're talking about, you know, whether or not this is the the Mangione effect. And so we're going to jump to this story from Fox News. Accused CEO assassin Luigi Mangione indicted on federal charges.
Starting point is 00:24:18 So this I'm not sure what the the charges would be in New York state, but I don't think New York State has the death penalty. But this. I believe it's on hold. Oh, what? New York State is on hold? Yeah. I believe it's been on hold for a long time, but they used to have it. I'm pretty sure.
Starting point is 00:24:36 I don't know that it's been totally outlawed. OK, so we have. Oh, this is got this is actually you got to join Fox News. Do you have a key to get in here? Let's see. Who subscribes to Fox News? I thought that we did. No.
Starting point is 00:24:55 Yuck. Wait, so why are they charging him with federal charges? I think it's so that way they can give him the death penalty. Hopefully. So let's see. From the AP, federal prosecutors seek death penalty for Luigi Mangione and UnitedHealthcare CEO killing. New York U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi said Tuesday that she has directed prosecutors to seek the death penalty against Luigi Mangione in the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, following through on the president's campaign promise to vigorously pursue capital punishment.
Starting point is 00:25:34 It is the first time the Justice Department has sought to bring the death penalty since President Donald Trump returned to office in January with a vow to resume federal executions after they were halted under the previous administration. Luigi Mangione's murder of Brian Thompson, an innocent man and father of two young children, was a premeditated, cold-blooded assassination that shocked America, Bondi said in a statement. She described Thompson's killing as an act of political violence. Mangione, a 26-year-old Ivy League graduate from a prominent Maryland real estate family, faces separate federal and state murder charges after authorities say he gunned down Thompson 50 outside a Manhattan hotel on December 4th as the executive arrived for UnitedHealthcare's annual investor conference. the death penalty because I think of how well the DMV performs. And that's kind of what I expect from the government all the time. I used to feel that way.
Starting point is 00:26:31 But now. And I know Maggie is against the death penalty as a L word. I'm not going to say it. But do you have thoughts on this development here? Yeah. I mean, from a principled position, I'm against the death penalty. But also for luigi mangioni i think it's a horrible idea to turn him into a martyr um his approval right by the time
Starting point is 00:26:51 he gets killed though it won't he won't he won't be martyr status by that i don't know after all the appeals processes and stuff i think i think it's gonna keep ratcheting up especially if they actually go through with it um it's shocking and disturbing how many people my age are all in on Luigi, but they are. He's like the new Mumia Abu-Jamal or Leonard Peltier, you know, but like there are these guys who end up committing federal crimes, who commit federal crimes and then are just lionized by the left, like Mumia or, you know, Pelletier, who was a killer also. But I think also Biden put a freeze on the death penalty and Trump said, nah, we're done with that freeze.
Starting point is 00:27:38 I'm entirely 100 percent thoroughly opposed to capital punishment because i'm the only one that's not i used to be a christian and so i just like i used to think that like okay fine we can't like we got to be consistent no abortions we have to care about life but no and now i'm like i don't care if we get occasionally one wrong um these people have to go and i'm tired of absolute derelicts being in our society not only am i tired of them being there i'm tired of paying for them them to go to the gym and work out and have internet access. No, no, you have to go. I mean, if you look into it, all of the appeals and all of the costs that goes into actually killing someone. That's why we should do it right away. I think that's a terrible idea.
Starting point is 00:28:19 I think absolutely we should not be taking people's lives. I think the government should not be taking people's lives. I used to feel that way because Because I wanted to be consistent. If somebody did something heinous to my child. And they didn't do that. That's why victims aren't in charge of penalties. Put yourself in every parent's shoes. That's why we need law.
Starting point is 00:28:38 It's not about being in parents' shoes. That's why we need law. That's justice. That is justice. Get rid of them. Put these pedophiles. I that's justice that is justice get rid of them i don't put these pedophiles i don't think vengeance i can't say it on here but yeah yeah i wish i i don't say it on here you know um so i i actually i mean generally i'm against the death penalty not because there are not people that deserve it but because i don't trust the government
Starting point is 00:29:04 that's a yeah and they get things wrong i don't trust the government. And they get things wrong. I don't trust them to do my taxes. Yeah. I hate that. Like, I'll do my taxes and then they'll be like, you screwed up. And it's like, no, you screwed up. There's a shocking percentage of people on death row that end up getting exonerated. But that was because they've been sitting there for 30 years before they had like DNA evidence and things like that.
Starting point is 00:29:23 It is more likely that nowadays they're going to get it right correct um because of the because of things like dna evidence and because of cameras everywhere and stuff um so again i'm not i'm not against it um in principle as in like oh like libby you mentioned your religious faith is why. And I don't have any problem like that. It's just that I don't think the government is good at things and stuff. So generally, I kind of think that it's it might be a bad idea. But, you know, I do understand what you're saying about making a martyr out of him. Is that a good reason to not do things though it like so so you put him in jail forever does that is he less of a martyr because of that they already lionize him they're
Starting point is 00:30:12 already they already have the the candles the luigi mangione candles because they're absolute psychopaths yeah yeah which i mean it's vile disrespectful first of all the catholic faith the finger goes up in everything. It's so disrespectful. Put the candles away. I hate when they do that. They do that for every
Starting point is 00:30:30 liberal politician too. Have you ever been to one of those bookstores and you see like the wall, you know? Because they're mocking God. Ugh, disgusting.
Starting point is 00:30:37 But anyways, yeah, I think it's fair to say that, you know, they're already saying I'm crazy in the chat and I'm drunk. I'm like, no, this is just me.
Starting point is 00:30:47 No, she's not had a drop. Yeah, like that's just me. That is her. Yeah. For principled reasons, I'm against the death penalty. But also, even in this case, even though we know that he's probably allegedly guilty, I think it's a horrible idea. You're just going to go and shoot somebody in the back and then you just get to kind of like chill in prison he's gonna collect those love letters for the rest
Starting point is 00:31:10 of his life but i feel great about himself hopefully god sorts him out you know god can sort him out at judgment time at the pearly gates yeah bill why are you laughing at me why do you think i'm laughing i don't know why that's such a crazy position. Like, I think that these people deserve, like, that you have to be removed from society. No, no, I totally understand. And I agree with you. I think they should be put in jail. I definitely think they should be put in jail forever.
Starting point is 00:31:38 And that's what we do with people generally. Putting people in jail. We take young, violent men, young men that tend to be too violent to be in society and we put them in jail until they're not young and violent and jail is pretty bad what do you guys think of uh this proposition of sending american citizen criminals to el salvador in prisons i'm not into that i'm totally opposed i also don't think i also don't think that that's what his plan is. It's part of a scaring deterrent factor. And everybody keeps saying things when it comes to Trump
Starting point is 00:32:09 about like, oh, is he really going to do this or that? Or I forget what it was the other day. I think it was Poso put up a thing like, should we go to war with Iran? Like, no, clearly we shouldn't. But we shouldn't tell the whole world we don't support him in doing that. He has to have it as leverage, right? And so if he's going to scare the crap out of everybody
Starting point is 00:32:27 and say, get your act together, and if you hit somebody over the head with a baseball bat, we might send you to the gulag, then let them think that and let's have some deterrent mechanism there. You don't have to actually send them. I don't have a problem. Just threaten to send them.
Starting point is 00:32:42 I don't like the idea of sending them to El Salvador. I don't have a problem. I don't like the idea of sending them to El Salvador. I don't have a problem with Gitmo, genuinely. I don't have a problem with Guantanamo Bay. And I also don't have a problem with building another Supermax like the one they got in Colorado. Turn a mountain into a prison. Dig a hole in it and stuff them under the mountain. I'm fine with that. You know, because there are people that can't be in society the way that the rest of us
Starting point is 00:33:12 can. They're just too violent or they're not able, you know, they can't function in society and they decide, you know, of their own volition to behave in ways that are just unacceptable. And so you can't be in society. You can't be in society. It's not a problem for me. Um, did you ever read the penal colony?
Starting point is 00:33:30 You know, that Kafka story? No. So the penal colony, the idea is that everybody gets every, every bad guy gets sent to the penal colony and then they're put basically on a spit, right? They're,
Starting point is 00:33:41 they're like suspended and their crime is tattooed on their body as they are slowly turned on the spit fascinating yeah it's disgusting it's an execution device really but like you're tattooed to death with your crime to death death by tattoo death by yeah tattoo in the penal colony i think if we brought back a little more drastic punishments with a little more with, I see. I, when you came in today, you're like,
Starting point is 00:34:08 I don't have anything to say. I don't really have it. I'm like, BS, you're going to be all over the mic tonight. I just think that like, if, if you have like,
Starting point is 00:34:17 if you have a little more drastic punishments and a little bit more, like, like it's done expediently. Um, I think that there, the reason that it's not capital punishment is a deterrent is because you don't see the result of it soon with all the appeals
Starting point is 00:34:32 and things like that. I think it would be more of a deterrent. Like, look at Singapore. We're trapping off hands, right? For chewing gum. Right. Okay, cool. But their place is clean and there's not as many, you know, mass murders and kids shooting each other all the time. I mean, they're free.
Starting point is 00:34:50 But there's no freedom of speech. I mean, the risk of freedom is that you give up your safety. Speech is different than committing crime. But it's all of it. Like, I remember this talk I heard with Camille Paglia, and she was talking about how when she was in college, she was at a women's college. I think she was at Ratcliffe, right? Because she's a super genius. So she was at Ratcliffe and the women's dorms had curfews and they had to be back in the dorm by some early time and the boys could stay out all night.
Starting point is 00:35:18 So the women were pissed and they were like, hey, that's not fair. You know, and the school was like, well, we're just doing this for your protection. And she said, I have the right to go out and have something terrible happen to me because I would rather have my freedom than your protection and limits on my freedom. And that's what America is. Right. We have our freedoms. I don't feel that way. I think that men and women are wildly different and that women should be treated differently and women should have more restrictions on them than men. Oh, I totally.
Starting point is 00:35:46 My daughter's not allowed to go to college. Your daughter's not allowed to go to college? I'm not encouraging her to go to college. No. Why? So I can spend $200,000 to let her go get drunk and get like be a pegboard? No. She's not going.
Starting point is 00:35:57 That's not the only way to do college. I think any woman you raise will know better, you know? She better. But like, you know, I definitely think that women should be a little, like here I am talking, right? But whatever. That's kind of how my life fell into things. But I really do think that like women do need a little protection and we should kind of, you know, we should put those boundaries in place a little bit more than we have now because
Starting point is 00:36:22 look at what it's gotten us. Women are a disgusting mess. There's parents being strict and then there's women not having equality under the law and those are two very different things i don't know if i like total equality under the law and i think women should have freedom but we should also understand what the risks are and be like really realistic like our boys have freedom they know what the risks are and some of them go up but society doesn't people. But society doesn't want that, Libby. Society doesn't want that. You can't deny the fact that society has said that women are going to be enfranchised. They're going to have the ultimate liberty that men have.
Starting point is 00:36:56 But at the same time, they want special treatment. I don't see a lot of special treatment. He's right. There's special treatment. Like for pregnancy? First things like the draft and stuff like that so there's they don't get they're not they're not capable of serving in the military the way that men are right so they can't my son they're a distraction my son's friend my son's friend who's a girl they you know they have like
Starting point is 00:37:19 a whole group chat and she was pissed today when she found out that she would not be permitted to register for the draft she was very angry about it found out that she would not be permitted to register for the draft. She was very angry about it. Really? More power to this girl. Pouring into people's brains. There's so many covert facts. My mom's, I love you, mom. But like, even like there's certain things like, you know, have your own bank account, do this. You can, you can be in the draft. You can like, no, no, you're women. Go have babies. Go do what God wanted you to do. Go take care of it. Nurture people.
Starting point is 00:37:46 But that's not for everybody. I mean, it doesn't have to be for everybody. It's not for everybody. It used to be for the majority of women until feminism poisoned everybody's brains. And then everybody feels like they have to work. They have to achieve something that they have to show whatever. I was felt into that. So feminism has sold society a lie that you can be a CEO and you can be a mom of four and you can do them both equally and you can do them both at the same time. You can work and have kids. I just, one thing I wish we would do is teach women how to
Starting point is 00:38:19 find careers where you can do both. Like what I do for work, I can totally do. No, they all want, they want to be Iron Man as well as. I don't want to be Iron Man, you know, like I chose my path. I chose not to be the CEO girl boss. And a lot of women are finding out that's not for them. Yeah, that's. Also, I think a lot of women underestimate like, you know, how much, how fulfilling work can be when you're choosing your path and it fits into your life. But look at this. We're just talking about teens and kids and everybody's a little more violent.
Starting point is 00:38:52 People are detached. They're on their cell phones, like all these things. What is the result of that? Right. Like what does that come from? That comes from people thinking they can do it all and not focusing on their children and the things that are important all right so listen we're gonna anyway we're gonna wrap this and we're gonna jump to this story here um nicholas decker is a uh a student uh i'm not sure where he's doing but he he posted this uh on twitter earlier today and it's got a boatload of views it's at 5.1 million views and all of my friends were sharing this and basically dunking on the guy because, well, I mean, look at him.
Starting point is 00:39:30 But his tweet says the ultimate source of political power is and always will be violence. If the present administration should continue on its course, there is no choice but war. I say this out of sorrow. When must we kill them? And he wrote a whole big old piece on Substack about when apparently when he believes violence is acceptable. And of course, it's it's from a left leaning perspective. It is the Donald Trump is the big boogeyman. And again, this this speaks to the the point that Libby brought up earlier, that 55 percent of Democrats believe that violence is acceptable to some degree. And I think that they probably only say to some degree because most people are a little apprehensive about saying, yeah, let's go cut their heads off. You know, like nobody wants to come out and say that. They do say it, though. I was just filming on the street in Philly with James, real quick. You got nothing to say, right?
Starting point is 00:40:29 I was right! We were literally filming on the street and we were asking people if they were okay with the Tesla violence and everything like that, and the man goes, he goes, you know, sometimes that's what you have to do. Look at the French Revolution. He was like, they were using the guillotine, right? And so James asks him, he goes, so do you think we should, you know, is it, they were using the guillotine, right? And so James asks him, he goes,
Starting point is 00:40:45 so do you think we should, you know, is it okay if we do the guillotine to Elon Musk? And the guy was like, yeah. And then a sentence later, and he's like, I have like totally centrist, moderate views. Like he literally said that, they don't even realize how insane they are. Like none of them realize that.
Starting point is 00:41:03 See, this is why people really should actually watch the videos from the Mexican cartels because that's what they're talking about. That's what you get. Like I said earlier, the left seems to think that there is a volume knob on violence.
Starting point is 00:41:24 That's not how it works. You don't get to say, oh, okay, it's a little too rich for me now, so I'm going to turn it down. And there's a phrase when it comes to the military and in war that you hear all the time, the bad guy gets a vote too. Once you open that box, right, once both sides have said, okay, this is the course of action that we're taking, you don't get to say, oh, wait a minute, that's too much. And for too many, like too many people don't understand that it's not Lexington and Concord.
Starting point is 00:41:54 It's not going to be, you know, red coats versus the blue coats. It's not going to be like that. What it'll end up being is cartel violence. It'll be like the mob violence. It won't be anything pretty. So these kind of things, in my opinion, they're just totally, totally ridiculous to even entertain. Like you should not be talking about this stuff. But again, we live in a world where there were two, two, you know, attempts on the on the president's life during the what's it called?
Starting point is 00:42:24 And the Democrats have changed zero. There are multiple very big accounts on X that I can think of that are constantly saying Trump's a Nazi, constantly making the comparisons to Germany in the 30s. And it does not stop. Keith Olbermann, Rachel Bytkokofer there's a bunch of people that are consistently making the same kind of allegations and when you hear that over and over you get ridiculous stuff like this i'm going to read the first paragraph here evil has come to america the present administration is engaged in barbarism it has arbitrarily imprisoned its opponents that's just not true there are no political opponents that are imprisoned revoke the visas of thousands of students well their visas i
Starting point is 00:43:10 mean that's not all that big of a deal impose taxes upon us without our consent what that's this is what they do it's totally detached from reality and seeks to destroy the institutions which oppose it its leader has threatened those who produce unfavorable coverage and suggested that their licenses be revoked it has deprived us in many cases of trial by jury that's just not true it has subject subjected us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution and has transported us beyond seas to be imprisoned for pretended offenses that's not true either he's talking about the the mary man. We have a media that encourages this, that continues to feed this narrative.
Starting point is 00:43:50 The Media Research Center did a study of the coverage of Garcia versus the coverage of Rachel Morin. And there was like 100% more coverage of Garcia than Rachel Morin because what the media enterprises want to do is set this up as a example as to why there should be no deportations. And what I think is really important to realize
Starting point is 00:44:13 is that this, the administration that came before Trump encouraged all of this illegal immigration with absolutely no intention of sending anybody home ever at any time for any reason you know so now it's like surge the border yeah so now that was the whole point and so now when you have people like this doofus who are saying you know political opponents are being imprisoned and what he's talking about are criminals who are being told finally to leave, you know, and judges who are coming out and saying, oh, you can't just terminate temporary protective status for half a million people. You can't just deport people without due process. We have 10 million extra people in this country, right? They came in under Biden. More than that, but go ahead. But let's just go with 10 million,
Starting point is 00:45:01 right? Because still wild. It's still wild. But I'm just under Biden 10 million, right? Because it's still wild. But I'm just under Biden who came in because it was like over 2 million a year by the official count, by the Biden administration's own count. So, you know, already that's it's going to be way more. But you have all of these people come in. How long would it take to give due process to 10 million people? It would take centuries, like literal centuries. And so when you had the Biden administration trying to push that bill through Congress, what was it last June, saying that we needed more judges, more immigration judges, they wanted more judges, they were cutting off cases. They were saying, okay, don't even bother contacting these people about their court date. Just get rid of these court dates. They were implementing a semi gray, a semi legal status system for people that they wanted in the country to do the labor to support the laptop class. Yeah. I have some concerns about due process specifically as it pertains to sending people to Seacoast.
Starting point is 00:46:05 This is where I turn into Darth Vader. I don't have any concerns. If you're not a citizen. I do. I do think that I also have concerns with the fact that we have a ton of people that are here illegally and our immigration courts are totally backed up. My genuine wish, sincerest wish, is that there is a way to speed up that process for deportations. However, sending people to El Salvador, to this prison that's not really run by us.
Starting point is 00:46:38 So I'm completely fine with sending people from El Salvador back to El Salvador. And what happens to them when they're in El Salvador is not my problem. But if we're funding it, does it become our problem? No, because we're getting them out of here. This is a this is and I've said this multiple times on the show. This is a creation of the Democrats and Joe Biden. It was intentional on their part. They used the Health and Human Services Department to move these people around the country in an effort to affect the census and affect congressional representation.
Starting point is 00:47:18 They wanted they had people come in and they wanted to use these asylum seekers, which were illegal asylum seekers because they didn't go to port of entrance. They were coming over wherever they could get over. And as soon as they ran into a Border Patrol agent, they said they were seeking asylum. That's illegal. That means they go right back. Party in an effort to install the Democrat Party as a permanent one party system in the United States that disenfranchises millions of Americans, takes away all of their political power. These people deserve far worse than they're going to get.
Starting point is 00:47:57 But the people that are here and I'm talking about the politicians and the NGOs and the people in the administration that facilitated this. But the people that have been brought here, that have been helped by NGOs to come up over the Darien Gap through Mexico, all of those people need to go. Every single one that we can get rid of. And if there are mistakes made, those people that were in error can petition the government from somewhere else. This is not something that the American people should be punished with, because again, this is taking away political power from Americans born in America. It's taking that power away,
Starting point is 00:48:39 using their own money to do it by the elected officials that they elected. This is not just a dereliction of duty. It is absolutely counter to the best interests of the American people. And I don't think that it counts as treason. I'm not sure what the exact term would be. But using the money of the American people in an effort to dilute the political power of the American people is abhorrent to anything that any American would agree with. The people that are here illegally need to go. And I don't care about due process.
Starting point is 00:49:16 Send them home. It's not just that either. I mean, it's not just the political power, which I assume you're talking about congressional districts, right? Yes. They're looking to redistrict and they're also looking to turn purple states blue. It's hugely problematic. Yeah. I mean, that's a big problem, too.
Starting point is 00:49:31 But there's a lot of other issues as well, because Chuck Schumer said outright that America needs illegal immigrants in order to replace Americans because we have low birth rate. He said that in September of 2024. He said that in a press conference. It's not a conspiracy theory. This is what Chuck Schumer said, senator, Democrat senator from New York. You had AOC out there. The browning of America, the phrases, the thing.
Starting point is 00:49:54 And then when, if you were a white person that said, oh, they're trying to replace us, you're a racist, they hit you with all of this. And you're like demonetized on YouTube. Yeah, exactly. When they would say the exact same thing. was times where rachel maddow like it and they say it it's okay and if you don't like it and you say it then you're the problem you also had jasmine crockett out there saying that we need illegal immigrants to do all of these menial jobs she said
Starting point is 00:50:20 and i quote we done picking cotton i was just what? Yeah, we want to create a second class of citizens in America. We want to create a second class of sex citizens. I don't know whether to love or hate that woman. With dodgy legal status who have to do these jobs. Yeah. And you also had, lest anyone forget, you had Barack Obama out there when he was doing his campaign for president. And he was quoting Cesar Chavez. Does everyone remember this?
Starting point is 00:50:42 Cesar Puede? Remember Cesar Chavez? Cesar Chavez is Does everyone remember this? Cesar Chavez. Remember Cesar Chavez? Cesar Chavez is a California labor organizer. He went out there into the strawberry fields. A lot of Mexicans picking strawberries. And what would happen is they were picking strawberries in the valleys. And the farmers would put pesticides out and herbicides out to protect the strawberries.
Starting point is 00:51:04 All of those pesticides would roll down into the valley. The Mexicans would be picking it. They'd get sick. Not great. Like that's not good, right? So Cesar Chavez goes out there and he says, you know, we need union. We need to organize. We need to become a union. We need to fight for the rights of workers so that they can go out and pick strawberries without getting sick. Okay, cool. Totally on board, pro-union, whatever. Chavez was entirely 100% opposed to illegal immigration. Why? Because it undercut American wages. It undercut the wages of the people that he was organizing. And these people came in and were used as strike busters, and then they would come in and take the work. So they get thrown to the wolves, for sure, because they can't advocate for themselves.
Starting point is 00:51:47 And they have no legal standing. So you have Democrats simultaneously sucking the teat of labor and gobbling up all of their money and undercutting labor and going against labor. It's no surprise that when we had the April 5th hands off rally and we had all the labor leaders out there talking, it's no surprise that every single one of those labor leaders were leaders of government unions. These were government workers that they are representing. They're not representing actual labor. The UAW wasn't out there. The Teamsters, who also represent like what a huge swath of hospitality, I think they weren't out there. You know, that's not like the Democrats are feeding us lines about C.C. Puede and about labor and about workers, but they don't actually care. They just want someone to deliver their crap to their house so they can sit on their
Starting point is 00:52:36 couch and look at their laptop and tap their fingernails or whatever else the hell it is they do. I think a big portion of it is they believe that they're doing the right thing. It's a moral thing because they have no God other than themselves. And so if they think they're doing good, then they believe they're good people. And that's enough. I mean, these are people who do yoga and think that makes you a good person. Like that is ludicrous. That's just out of control. It just makes you flexible.
Starting point is 00:53:00 It's actually just demonic in general. Maybe. It's not even good. Like it doesn't make you a good person. Like, it doesn't make you a good person. Like, being vegan doesn't make you a good person. Neither does, like, doing a nice bike ride. That doesn't make you good. No, it doesn't.
Starting point is 00:53:12 It just, you know, it makes you, like, I don't know, oxygenated. Going back to due process for a second. He's from El Salvador. Yes. He comes here illegally. Forget whatever he did, right? If El Salvador wanted to extradite him back, right, and we had an extradite thing. We could do that. He doesn't need to hear a court. They clearly want to keep him. They clearly want to keep him. So why, if it's their citizen and they want him there, why do we need to go through this whole rigmarole to send him back when he doesn't belong here and his government wants him there. What's interesting, too, is when they talk about the administrative error, right?
Starting point is 00:53:48 They were talking about, oh, he was sent back by mistake. What they mean by sent back by mistake is that he was sent to El Salvador because in the original, I think it was the 2019 protective order. It said that he could get sent somewhere, but he should have gone to El Salvador because his mother was being extradited at her, you know, not extradited. But those gangs are gone, right? Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:07 Gangs are gone. He's with the gangs. They're in the prison. They sent him to the same place that the gangs are. But you've seen that prison. You've seen inside of there. Nick Shirley did a great expose on it. Nobody's fighting in there.
Starting point is 00:54:22 Nobody's going to kill him in there. It is so regimented in there. And there nobody's going to kill him in there okay well it is it is so regimented in there and there are there are no gangs to hurt him they're they are all under so much control there have you seen the videos i've seen pictures i haven't seen oh no go watch nick shirley's youtube on it like okay nothing's going to happen to him in there so there's i want to get back to the the violence here in the u.s um and there's one thing that I saw in this kid's essay. It says, if these actions become normal, the government could arrest anyone and deport them to a prison in a foreign land without hope of redress for no reason. It's not true. So first of all, OK, so first of all, legally, that's you're correct. It's not true legally. But honestly,
Starting point is 00:55:02 everyone knows that if the government wants to do those things they're gonna do them right so they have a monopoly on force yeah they have the monopoly on violence we hope that we have the ability to use lawyers and the law and courts to to prevent not to prevent that but to get us back get us out of that situation but if if they want you, the government is just going to come take you. And you can the evidence of that is the the raids of people's homes over all kinds of different things. The fact that the government constantly violates the Fourth Amendment when it comes to civil asset forfeiture. I know you love that one. You know, the violations of the Second Amendment, the attempts to have what was they called them free speech zones on campuses where you you weren't allowed to say whatever you wanted, except for this specific little area. The government will do any number of things to violate your rights.
Starting point is 00:56:00 And only we only have that government. Was that government or was that universities? Those are mostly universities. Yeah.'t a fight uh codes on campuses 10 times out of 10 it was the university saying we have free speech and then it's like but only in this out and unless you're jews yeah well fair fair enough on on that particular point but it's not like the government has any compunction about going to your house kicking in your door and pulling you out or just killing you there was a guy that the atf killed over some kind of pardon me montana um i don't think i thought he was in florida oh well there's been a bunch yeah but yeah to my point you know utah utah okay yeah you know but the point being the
Starting point is 00:56:43 government has no compunction with with going and ripping you out of your home for whatever reason they they feel. So the the idea that, oh, you know, we're protected now and then Donald Trump is going to make things dangerous. It's such a ridiculous fact. There's a bigger microscope on what the Trump administration is doing. So I highly doubt that an American citizen is going to get ripped out of the country, deported to El Salvador, and then not be brought back. It did happen once to an American man, I think in 2012, who was mentally disabled
Starting point is 00:57:13 and he was like wandering around Mexico for a while, but they got him back. Yeah. So it has happened before, but not under Donald Trump. And fair enough, it sucks if it does. Right. Fine.
Starting point is 00:57:26 I agree. And I don't want to see that happen to innocent people. But more than that, I don't want to see, you know, an endless train of illegals coming into the country, staying in the country. I don't want to see a government that is completely lawless so this kid talking about oh all of these things that the trump administration has done and is going to do and and questioning when is it acceptable for violence i mean this is something that we me and tim talk about and i came up with an idea a phrase that's where's the off ramp if kids are writing stuff like that and people believe these things. They really do believe it.
Starting point is 00:58:06 They really do. And it's like normal people. You know, you said the centrist, the self-proclaimed centrist was saying it's fine to do that to Elon Musk. Wild. We have real. We have breaking news. What's that? Breaking news. We have breaking news.
Starting point is 00:58:20 Yeah. Garcia, who we were just talking about, has a tweet from the president of El Salvador. OK. President Bukele. Kilmar Abrego Garcia miraculously risen from the death camps and torture now sipping margaritas with Senator Van Hollen in the tropical paradise of El Salvador. Here's some photographs of this guy. Literal photo shoot. First of all, he needs to get done for the Logan act. So with the, so with the Maryland Senator,
Starting point is 00:58:49 right? Yes. That's who he's, who's with this guy. If I understand correctly, this guy has done absolutely nothing for any of the people in Baltimore that are victims of tons of violence, tons of violence.
Starting point is 00:59:06 Right. And he then can go to El Salvador for a guy that's not even an American. So I agree with you, Lisa. He should definitely, definitely should go. That's undermining the foreign policy interests of the United States, and he should be arrested immediately. You know what? That's what I want to see. I don't want to see people at UFC.
Starting point is 00:59:28 I don't want to see Pam Bondi on Fox News every night. I want to see people arrested for things like this. I want to see as many lawsuits, as many anything that you can do. I want to see more. We've talked about this action. More, way more. There are a lot of people that are saying, oh, you know, there's a lot of people that are saying that, oh, the administration is not doing enough. They haven't done anything, et cetera, et cetera.
Starting point is 00:59:54 And I am of the opinion that the administration is aware of the desires of their base. And I believe that they're also working to do the things that the base wants and the reason and the reason you haven't heard anything is because if they talk about it on the internet it blows the investigation you could at least say there's stuff coming literally dan bongino did okay there's a tweet that he said look just because you're not seeing it doesn't mean that it's not happening and you you're the person I'm talking about, Lisa. I just think we only have about a year, year and a half to get. A hundred percent.
Starting point is 01:00:30 You're saying seriously, Don, before midterms come. We have less than a year and a half. It is not like it is not like they didn't have all the evidence for all these years for a lot of things. We've had numerous investigations. We've had numerous congressional we've had numerous uh congressional hearings on these things it's not like they didn't have it well it's not hard to compile that we also talked about the fact that that trump has removed people's clearances those are those are moves that that indicate something is happening so again i'm a little impatient because
Starting point is 01:01:01 i've seen i've been let down so many times and seen nothing happen and then be completely feckless. And I'm just hoping that that's not the case. The Epstein files, I think, definitely caused the mistress. That was a terrible, that was such a terrible, terrible move. Really bad rollout. Yeah. Yeah. Not great.
Starting point is 01:01:17 I think there's a good chance the Epstein files don't exist. Yeah. Fair. Anymore. Yeah. Well, also it was analog. These were all analog files. So to the extent that they do exist, they were probably drowned in some subway flood in Brooklyn years ago.
Starting point is 01:01:32 Yeah. All right. We're going to go on to this story from the postmillennial breaking. Carmela Anthony's reps call police on Austin Metcalf's father for attending press conference after his boy was stabbed to death. From the Post Millennial, representatives for Caramello Anthony in his murder case in the killing of 17-year-old Austin Metcalf called the police on Metcalf's father for showing up to a Thursday press conference that they were holding. According to ABC8, the Next Generation Action Network, which is a Dallas-based activist group that has taken on the role of publicly defending Anthony, called the police
Starting point is 01:02:11 and asked Jeff Metcalf to be removed from the scene. Anthony was released from jail and placed under house arrest after being charged with the murder of Austin Metcalf. Anthony admitted to stabbing Metcalf at a track meet. According to police, he has claimed self-defense in the case and has garnered national media attention. I don't think you could possibly do make a worse move. This man whose son is dead at the hands of the defendant here who also said, look, I don't want to see this turned into a racial thing. I want, you know, he was looking for the best way to handle it that he could, with the least malice and the most charity. And then he shows up here and they decide they're going to kick him out. He was probably going to be nice.
Starting point is 01:02:59 He was probably going to make amends. That seems like what his whole MO has been anyway. This was just totally disgusting. Libby, what his whole mo has been anyway this was just totally disgusting libya what's this video here oh it's just him being walked out yeah we should watch it dude this is why you can't be charitable i'm sorry yeah the police took it's disgusting how they're treating this guy's dad This is why you can't be charitable. I'm sorry. Yeah, the police took him out. It's disgusting how they're treating this guy's dad.
Starting point is 01:03:33 He said it was disrespectful for him to show up to the box. How about it's disrespectful that his son stabbed somebody? It's disrespectful that they're bringing out this Dominique Alexander guy who's trying to cosplay as a civil rights leader over a murder case. Some old weird stuff with this guy. Yes. So I was looking into him. He, you know, like there was some case where he was babysitting his girlfriend's toddler and the kid ended up sustaining a bunch of injuries and he admitted to shaking the baby. That's not good.
Starting point is 01:04:05 He also was his girlfriend reported him for domestic assaults. He's been always the bottom of the bone in jail. And this is the representative for Caramello Anthony's family. So this guy is the last person I would bring in if I'm trying to prove to everyone that my son is nonviolent and also credible like you bring in a guy with a history of violence who's you know gone to jail over forgery I'm sorry and to that to that point uh the post-millennial reports Caramel Anthony's rep blames Frisco school district weather for fatal stabbing death of Austin Metcalf. This guy is going to botch this so bad that even though I didn't think that Carmelo Anthony
Starting point is 01:04:51 was going to get the death penalty, I think that he might end up getting the death penalty because of his poor representation. Like, I assume he probably would get 25 years. No, the death penalty was taken off the table. He's 17. He can't have it. So he's going to end up in jail for life then?
Starting point is 01:05:08 Well, life with the possibility of parole. Well, he can have life with the possibility of parole. They can't give him that, but they can't give him life without the possibility of parole. Well, with this kind of representation... Totally the wrong way. I mean... Yeah, they kicked him out
Starting point is 01:05:23 and then this guy was also... The representative was also talking about how the weather was to blame for the for the attack. Did you write this piece? No, no. All right. So the post from the post millennial, a representative for Carmelo Anthony placed blame on the Frisco Independent School District, as well as the weather for the murder suspect
Starting point is 01:05:45 stabbing Austin Metcalf to death at a district track meet earlier this month. While Dominique Alexander was speaking to reporters on Thursday, he said that Frisco ISD is trying to push off the blame because the school district isn't taking steps to expel Anthony, insinuating that the school district was to blame for the stabbing.
Starting point is 01:06:04 He then added, what I have not heard the media say, as many media outlets asked us what went on, I'm trying to find how many of y'all have asked the superintendent on one of these board of trustees, why didn't you cancel or postpone with weather in that magnitude? You couldn't have a track meet in the rain or thunderstorms or clouds. Let me tell you, rain defends. Hold on, hold on, hold on.
Starting point is 01:06:28 It gets a little better. Y'all are the media. Ask your journalist, your weather journalist, how the weather was that day and that time. Y'all do that research. Because a person who is the administrator of your children, you are responsible for the safety of the children.
Starting point is 01:06:45 And so it seems that Frisco isd is trying to push this off by making this decision that they do not have to make he said in reference to anthony getting expelled this is insane okay to to blame the weather for behavior and this is the video comes out and this is something that i have a real bad problem with people especially people on the left in the united states when it comes to actions they tend to look for any other reason aside from the individual that acted right and i i actually went about went through this last night you see it with uh with some international international issues as well with the Ukraine war. It's not Putin's fault. It's because of the U.S. or because of the Ukraine in Israel.
Starting point is 01:07:29 It's it's it's not the the Hamas's fault. It's Israel's fault. The idea that the people that actually carry out the violence aren't to blame, that they're they're victims somehow. That's something the left does all the time. And you heard about it, I mean, Solzhenitsyn wrote about it in the Glug Archipelago. If you're a normal person and you have a knife, well, you're the bad guy. But if there's a criminal that has a knife and
Starting point is 01:07:57 uses it, well, he's a criminal. He didn't, and he ended up there, you know, because of circumstance, et cetera. So the left is constantly making excuses for people that have the ability to make decisions on their own, that have agency. And in this case, it's no different. I want to go back to that in a minute. But I just want to talk about the rain because I talked to somebody. A whistleblower called me about this when they said there was no video. And somebody told me about the video that they watched. And this is verified. So, like, I verified my source. Anyway, he wasn't just running to get out of the rain. when they said there was no video and somebody told me about the video that they watched and this is verified. So like I verified my source. Anyway, he wasn't just running to get out of the
Starting point is 01:08:29 rain. He didn't just jump into a tent to get out of the rain. He walked past one tent. He walked past another tent. He walked up the bleachers, back down the bleachers, around Metcalfe's tent, and then sat in his tent. And so it's not like this. You'll see when the video comes out. But it is not like he was just dodging in a tent to get out of the rain like they're trying to make it seem. That's just not true. So wait to see that. But then in the meantime, you can go finish. I still don't understand how this escalated to a knife getting pulled and someone dying.
Starting point is 01:09:00 It's this culture. It's an unrespectable culture. He brought the knife on purpose. He brought the knife clearly on purpose with the intent to use it. And as soon as he was picked up afterwards, he said, no, I did this. I am interested in seeing like what kind of knife.
Starting point is 01:09:13 I wonder if he was intending to kill him or if he was just intending to stab him. But he stabbed him right in the heart. Stabbed him in the chest, yeah. It is just the culture that says, you dissed me, you disrespected me you told me to leave you embarrassed me you pushed me you deserve to die that is becoming more and more prevalent like i've said a million times and nobody seems to care or notice or want to talk about it
Starting point is 01:09:38 see i don't i don't think that it's i mean maybe it is becoming more and more prevalent but i don't think that it's – I mean maybe it is becoming more and more prevalent, but I don't feel like it's new. I remember back – It's at this level. I remember back when I was a kid, you would hear stories about people getting killed for their Jordans. Yeah, of course. So I don't think that it doesn't happen or it hasn't happened. It is just – I'm going to send you a whole thing. When we get done, I'm going to send you tons of stories and in order.
Starting point is 01:10:05 But it is it is to a different level. If you look at right now, I just Google like teen like how busy right now. Oh, I forgot. You can't multitask. But like if you really look up like how many teens are dying from shooting and violent deaths like that, it they the numbers are skyrocketing like at an abnormal level. OK, well, I don't I don't think you're wrong. I just... What do you think it is?
Starting point is 01:10:29 There's just more people? No, I think that it's... Godless. It probably is more intense now than it's been. Go ahead. Youth gun deaths in the U.S. have surged 50% since 2019. Yeah. Is that... this is 2023 yeah it's it's been brutal yeah it's on the rise so is that because of is that i was under the
Starting point is 01:10:54 impression that there was a lot of that because of covid and then the the it definitely jumped in 2020 because they were buying guns with their stimulus check yeah but like it's remained consistent okay since so all right so uh surge just brought this up for me uh in 2020 the homicide rate for youth under 18 in the u.s was 37 percent below the peak in 1993 1993 is when i was talking about because that's when i was 18 that's when all of gangster rap really kind of exploded onto the scene. So like this kind of does kind of give a give a point to my point of of back in the 90s, there was considerable violence. And we really have gone through a significant decline in violence in the past 30 years up until 2020 but it goes on but still uh in 2020 the homicide rate for youth under 18 in the u.s was 37 percent lower than the peak in 1993 but still saw 1777 victims this age group represents about eight percent of all murder victims that year globally approximately 193 000 homicides occur among those aged 15 to 29 each year, making it the leading cause of death for this age group, according to the WHO.
Starting point is 01:12:09 So, yeah, but I don't disagree with you. I don't think that you're wrong about the increase since 2020. That's something that we've actually heard multiple times, those stats, because COVID and because of the apparently maybe the stimulus checks. I'm not. Go ahead. Here we go. Here's another one. Trends in juvenile offending, what you need to know.
Starting point is 01:12:27 Homicides perpetrated by juveniles jumped 65%. Like, here, I'll send it to search. But like, it's literally out of control. You don't have to, you can look it up later, but like, I'm going to send it to you. Like I said, I don't disbelieve you, but like, it's my sense that things had been- It's my kids that have to hang around with those kids, you know what I mean? Or be at the park when they go shoot seven of them. Well, again, you live in the city, too.
Starting point is 01:12:50 I live in Atlanta, so I see a lot of these people. You live in Atlanta? I live in Atlanta, and I'm from Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Shout out to Louisiana. Yeah, it's bad. It's really, really bad. And I think this goes back to the conversation we were having earlier about how young people don't value human life anymore but in general i think the rules of engagement have deteriorated across society like people think that violence theft murder any any form
Starting point is 01:13:19 of violence everything yeah they believe that it's an acceptable form of engaging with others our society now that now that we've passed that point see now so how do you put the cat back in the bag okay like you're all kids and so i know that i i am i am age like uh dating myself here but you know crime did peak in the 90s and for definitely all of your life and most of your life and libby's a little younger than me i was kind of young in 93 but yeah you were definitely kind of young but the point that i'm making is crime has been going down right so there's and and granted there has been like there was definitely a decrease in the death rate uh partially because of you know the ability of people to call from cell
Starting point is 01:14:05 phones and stuff like that, that you can call for help and things like that, that affected how many people actually got, you know, how many assaults turned into murders. Because, you know, if you can, if you get shot and you can call the cops, they come and help you out, you know, most of the time. And so that... Response times have really gone down in the past. Pardon me. Response times have really gone down in the past. Pardon me? Response times have really gone down.
Starting point is 01:14:27 Yeah, have gone down. You know, and also, to be honest with you, the ability to deal with traumatic industry injury is much greater now, specifically because of the war on terror. They've learned a lot from all the dudes getting shot and stuff in the war on terror in the early aughts. But until 2020, it had been going down. So this is not something that we've experienced a lot. The first time in my life.
Starting point is 01:14:55 Yeah, like I remember when I was young, you know, there was, it was. Even like 12 and 13 year olds? What? Yeah. I don't remember 12 and 13 year olds shooting each other ever? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, during. I don't remember 12 and 13-year-olds shooting each other ever. Oh, yeah. That's happening. Absolutely.
Starting point is 01:15:06 Absolutely. I mean, look. Look. Drugs. Gangs have always used young people. These aren't even about drugs. It doesn't matter. Well, it could be about whatever you want.
Starting point is 01:15:15 This is what I'm saying. There's like this. It's across the board, especially on the left. It's especially with young people, especially with young black people, too. But it is. It is something in our society that says there's human life doesn't matter if we don't like you. That was something that was a phenomenon that this is not new. So I'm not saying that it seems more intense now.
Starting point is 01:15:36 But again, in the 90s, the gang wars and all of the stuff that you heard when it came to, you know, Southern California rap, right? Like all the rap that I grew up listening to, like all the stuff like Dr. Dre, like they were talking about, I'll kill you just for looking at me the wrong way. That kind of attitude is something resurgence. Then MS-13 form in that environment, like within that context. Probably. I think so.
Starting point is 01:16:02 But I mean, look, there's prisons. Yeah. MS-13 was formed in, I believe, a California prison. You can get shot for wearing... Crips and Bloods were killing each other in the 90s, and you could get shot for wearing the wrong color in the wrong part of town. Like, that was a real thing in the 90s. So, not that I want to say you're wrong,
Starting point is 01:16:21 but I don't think that it's such a new phenomenon. I think that it's an upsurge since 2020 um what about the political violence well the political violence is different political actually i don't think that's different either because there were like congress got bombed in the 80s there were yeah in the 70s we we looked into it and there was 2,500 bombings in the in 1971 to 72 Oklahoma City yeah that was in the 90s I don't think it's an overall decline in like morality across the board like that they're both don't have the same underlying I think that's been going on for a long time yeah I agree yeah I think I think that but I think it's getting worse over time and I think I don't remember politics I don't't know, 10, 15 years ago being this heated, this violent.
Starting point is 01:17:10 Politics has gotten pretty extreme. I would say that level of divisiveness. Yeah, I agree about politics has – the level of divisiveness has increased significantly. There was a time where in the U.S. you could say, I don't really pay attention to politics. And there wasn't the stigma of you being a bad person for it. Right. Because nowadays, if you say, I don't really pay attention to politics, people are like, how can you not pay attention when there is a femicide going on in the Congo? Oh, even they know you voted for Trump. Oh, yeah. That's another one. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:17:44 If it's it's like a Kafka trap. You know, if you say, oh, I don't pay attention. Well, then that's confirmation that you're a Trumper or whatever. So I do think that that's a new thing. But I don't think that it's that politics is. What is that? Nothing. Anyways.
Starting point is 01:18:03 All right. I was passing notes earlier. Yeah. We're going to go to this story, which is actually some good news. The U.S. is withdrawing hundreds of troops from Syria from the New York Times. The end of the Assad era has reduced some threats, but the Islamic State has shown renewed strength in the country. Well, that's because the Islamic State is now the people in charge. They won.
Starting point is 01:18:24 I think it's a good idea to get now the people in charge. They won. I think it's a good idea to get Americans out of harm's way over there. Sure. The United States has started drawing down hundreds of troops from northern Syria in a reflection of the shifting security environment in the country since the fall of President Bashar al-Assad in December, but also a move that carries risk. The military is shuttering three of its eight small operating bases in the country's northeast, reducing troop levels to about 1,400 from 2,000, two senior U.S. officials said.
Starting point is 01:18:53 The bases are mission support site Green Village, MSS Euphrates, and a third much smaller facility. After 60 days, the officials said, American commanders will assess whether to make additional cuts. Commanders have recommended keeping at least 500 U.S. troops in Syria, one official has said. Now, these guys that are in Syria, first of all, right, this is a direct contradiction to what Kamala Harris said on the campaign trail, that there was no U.S. forces in other countries. She completely. Oh, yeah. Not only did she say that but there was there were guys yeah i mean it was completely bs but there were no u.s forces in war zones i think was the actual that was a funny video and they're like where are we right now and there there was a
Starting point is 01:19:35 video made by some servicemen they're just sitting there watching and they're like well where the hell are we? Because they were overseas. So, but anyways, this kind of, you know, pullout by the United States, these guys that are getting pulled out, like these were not, you know, regular army. These guys were combat. They were combat guys. They were probably most likely Green Berets working with local forces, or maybe they were Delta guys doing direct action. And now that they're not, you know, now that Assad's not in charge, I don't know what they would be doing because the current government there is terrorists. They were formerly ISIS. These guys are as bad as they come.
Starting point is 01:20:32 This is not an upgrade. Bashar al-Assad, I know there are people that say, oh, well, you know, Bashar al-Assad, he was actually much, much better. He protected Christians and blah, blah, blah. And two, there is some truth to that but he wasn't better because he was brutal and stuff so it's just different you know say he at least protected the christians yeah but new boss same as the old boss like this so now now they're going after christians but they were going after everybody before too you know um but it is good to see that the Trump administration still wants to do more to pull back the U.S. forces from war zones. What's this?
Starting point is 01:21:13 President Trump, however, has expressed deep skepticism about keeping any U.S. troops in the country. At least for now, the reductions that started on Thursday are based on ground commanders' recommendations to close and consolidate bases and were approved by the Pentagon and its central command. So, again, it's a good thing that the U.S. is getting out of, you know, war zones. But these, like the guys that are over there, they're not dudes that are there because they don't want to be right. Again, when I say that they're Green Berets, they're the kind of like tier one kind of dudes. They're tier one guys and probably support. And like those guys are the kind of guys that are like, yo, put me in coach. I joined the army because I want to fight bad guys. Point me at the bad guys.
Starting point is 01:22:03 What are they doing there right now? Do we have any idea? No, and I think that's part of their job. There's some intelligence gathering going on and whatever, but bring them home. We've had people in Syria for a long time. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:22:17 I mean, so do you guys have a sense that it's a good thing or a bad thing? What's your opinion? I mean, it really depends on what your perspective is, right? What's your opinion? I mean, it really depends on what your perspective is, right? What's your worldview? So it's a good thing if you think that the United States should withdraw its tendrils from all over the world and come back home and bring our troops back home and be a little bit more America-focused and a little more isolationist. And it's a bad thing if you are a globalist who really wants to have america's reach in every corner of the world do you think that that is the sense of a globalist or do you
Starting point is 01:22:51 think that that's the sense of someone that believes that the united states should have an expansive military footprint because i think that there is a difference between i think that i think that the globalists and the warmongers have a lot of similarities. They want that reach. They want the hard power and they want the soft power to go along with it. So, like, for example, if you're going to do soft power operations in Syria or in the Middle East, you need a place to do them from, right? And you need to have a little hard power there to back it up. So I think those two things go hand in hand. What do you think, right? And you need to have a little hard power there to back it up. So I think those two things go hand in hand.
Starting point is 01:23:29 What do you think, Lisa? I think if I say what I really think, I'll get the show taken down. But I'm definitely not in favor of sending any money over there or putting troops on the ground in excess or anything like that. I wouldn't spend a single dime over there anymore. However, I can't say stuff like that. The chat goes wild. However, I think, well, I really don't want any money over there at all. Like, I don't care where and even Israel. I don't want to give my money over there either.
Starting point is 01:23:56 But I really think people wildly underestimate the threat of Islam and they do it because of whatever reason that they wildly underestimate it. They definitely I've been doing that kind of stuff in England and in Brussels and all over the place, wildly underestimate how that can totally ruin your entire country. If I want them all over there, let them all fight each other. Let them all kill each other. I don't care. Right. But I definitely think we should at least have some ears on the ground so that if they're coming over here or they're planning an attack that we can what i would do is just like boop on the whole region but i but that's me so what what do you
Starting point is 01:24:35 what is what is the whole reason i think we can take from context yeah boop means boop god what do you what do you support support giving asylum to Christians? Yeah. Nah. No, no, I probably wouldn't. No. Actually, no. It seems to be the only reason why we would be there.
Starting point is 01:24:52 They can go to Christian. They can go to neighboring Christian countries near them. I don't want anybody else in here. I want no one else in here. I think that we should stop immigration for the next 10 years. No more people in here. We're done. We're full.
Starting point is 01:25:03 We're full. I actually. There's no room at the inn. We're done. I just think there are no neighboring Christian countries, and that's the problem. There's not really any neighboring Christian countries. Israel would really be the best. Keep going, though. Keep going. Is there anywhere closer than us? Yes.
Starting point is 01:25:18 Yeah. Well, there's Europe. Europe's not Christian countries anymore. Yeah, true. Poland. The only place they can go is Poland. Good for Poland. Poland has the right idea. Yeah, they can go somewhere else. Don't come here.
Starting point is 01:25:30 So, okay, so you made a remark about, you know, about intel, right? A lot of times, it's my understanding that if you don't have people, human intelligence, then you really don't have much. Correct. Now, you can do, if I understand can, you can do a, if I understand correctly, you can do a lot with signal intelligence. That's monitoring phone calls, monitoring the internet, but the real payoff comes from, from human intelligence, that people that know people on the ground. If you don't have people on the ground, and this was what we ran into after 9-11, we didn't have intelligence in Afghanistan.
Starting point is 01:26:10 We didn't have a lot of intelligence assets in all kinds of places. And because you specifically mentioned the threat of Islam, do you think, or like global jihad kind of islam it's common do you think that it is the u.s is better served by having uh those kind of assets or do you think that it should be a full pullback and i think that i want to go to everybody with that i definitely know i don't necessarily think boots on the ground but i definitely think you should have people there well they're going to be sandals on the ground yeah i think that they're shooting sandals on the ground some sandals on the point that i'm making is it are going to be sandals on the ground. Yeah, I think that there should be sandals on the ground. Some sandals on the ground. Well, the point that I'm making is it's going to be... Just to prevent threats
Starting point is 01:26:48 that would be on the homeland. Like, we don't need to manipulate their governments or deal with that. If they want to, you know, hurt each other, fine, right? Like, you go do your thing. Fight each other. Who cares? But the minute that it comes here, then that's where I have an issue. And so
Starting point is 01:27:03 we should have some intelligence on the ground to get some intel for that. Libby, what do you think? You know, I'm not sure. I think it makes sense to have intelligence operations. But I really don't know what that looks like. And we were operating at a base in Syria that was controlled by, I think, the Assad regime previously. So once Assad fell, we no longer have any protection in that area. And we certainly don't have any.
Starting point is 01:27:29 Yeah, we have an aircraft carrier in the Mediterranean. I mean, we have that, but we don't have, we are certainly not in the good graces of the government there. No, no. Right. But they don't have an air force. Right. Sure.
Starting point is 01:27:41 But like now you're talking about escalation. Well, only if they decide they're going to attack the americans so like then so then what i mean we lost people in jordan last year um at a base there and that was a that was a pretty weird operation where we had put out drones and when we brought the drones back they followed the drones they followed the drones back so that our guys couldn't detect them and then they killed some people like i think it was mostly i think it was three engineers from georgia who got killed in that attack um but foreign policy is definitely not my strong suit okay yeah what do you think same here um that foreign policy is not really my thing i like to say that my
Starting point is 01:28:21 my brain just kind of when we're talking about geopolitics but i will say i think it's fair that we should have intelligence operations over there it's just so that let's pull our troops out of the region but you know that impulse or that idea actually flies in the face of what most libertarians think because everyone know when it's it's one thing to say intelligence right but then once you say the cia then libertarians like that's what intelligence is it is cia it is well i don't want to be over there doing regime change and you know using usa USAID brain exposed. You heard Mike Benz talk, right?
Starting point is 01:29:08 Yes. Okay. The way that he describes it, I think, is extremely useful. Regime change happens by the military. CIA doesn't do regime change. As much as people want to think they do, they'll influence influence they'll do influence operations the the they will do things like trying to help um you know help people that are are friendly to the united states gain influence and stuff but if they want to do regime change it takes the u.s military because the u.s
Starting point is 01:29:38 military has to actually usually destroy the military of the existing uh the or unless you can get i'm pretty sure cia has some operations so you're talking about you're talking about cia ground branch but they stay work in conjunction with green berets and they would work in conjunction with possibly with delta but definitely with green berets green berets go in and they teach local assets how to uh how to fight cia ground branch would be the guys that are working they definitely had like secret operations in the cia so like they were like physically harming people so that that but that's not that's not that's not large scale kind of stuff like if like when you talk about somebody but if you're talking about like maxog v right the guys that were in cambodia
Starting point is 01:30:22 right in uh in vietnam they were they were in the army they weren't cia guys they were working in conjunction with cia but they were the army they were they had some like cia did like the the plane flights and stuff but they were military trained and stuff like that um but but that's the thing you run into um you know whether it be just human intelligence and stuff like that but but you run into the people that are like, whoa, CIA shouldn't be in there. Well, that's what CIA does. Intelligence, you know? So.
Starting point is 01:30:54 I don't think we should be, you know, trying to whip up support for or against certain people in power over there. I just think we should monitor for threats against the United States. I think that's fairly consistent. We should defend ourselves. I have nothing else to say. I'm fine. I said a lot. I said good.
Starting point is 01:31:19 There's one more thing that I want to talk about real quick. Where is it? So we didn't really talk about this one here um from again from the post-millennial trump opted for talks with iran on nuclear deal rather than israeli-led strikes which again you know points to the idea that donald trump is actually pro-peace and i think that's something that we all kind of agree on is good. From the Postmillennial, President Donald Trump opted to engage in diplomatic talks with Iran on a nuclear deal rather than go ahead with Israeli proposed strikes on the nation. Officials with the Trump administration who spoke with the New York Times indicated that while Israeli President Benjamin Netanyahu was interested in attacking Iran, Trump told him during their White House meeting that he would instead begin talks.
Starting point is 01:32:08 Netanyahu had other ideas on how to deal with Iran, namely engaging U.S. military support to attack Iran, and his timeline was to start the whole thing as soon as May. Trump, the Times reported, made his decision after months of internal debate over whether to pursue diplomacy or support Israel in seeking to set back Iran's ability to build a bomb at a time when Iran has been weakened militarily and economically. So are we kind of all in agreement that that's the proper course of action or? Yeah, I mean, when he when he makes decisions like this, I feel vindicated. I vote for him, you know, and I'm sure a lot of other libertarians. That's the scary word.
Starting point is 01:32:47 I'm sure a lot of other libertarians feel the same way. You know, I agree. I like this. I like that. I don't want to be like striking Iran. I do think, though, that we should have it like before, like I said, with the post thing, like it should be. They should think in their mind that it's certainly an option. Like, I think part of the reason that there were no new wars and things like that under Trump is because everybody was scared of him thinking that he's so unhinged that he may push that button at any time. And that really protected us.
Starting point is 01:33:15 So if if if they're looking at us and saying, well, the the American people will never support them bombing Iran. Right. OK, well, then that doesn't give him as much leverage as he needs. I don't want him to do it. Right. But I also want it to be at least a negotiating tool in his belt to use. But no, I don't I don't think it would be I don't think it would be fruitful in the end. And I think it's it's not our issue. So when you say you don't think it'd be fruitful, do you think that are you saying that the United States wouldn't be able to stop Iran's nuclear program? No, I just think that nobody wants mass destruction here. And it's Israel's problem more than it's our problem. It's not just Israel's problem.
Starting point is 01:33:55 I think it's probably – It's Saudi Arabia's problem too. But it's not our problem. Saudi Arabia is a Sunni Muslims and Iran Shia Muslims. They don't like each other at all. And as much as Israel gets the focus, there are a lot of people in Saudi Arabia that are like, yo, if you go and strike Iran, we will be pumped. Yeah, but Iran backs. Which one is Iran?
Starting point is 01:34:17 Sunni or Shia? You just said it's right. So Iran also backs the Sunnis when it's the Houthis or the Hezbollah or Hamas or whatever. Right. But they also back Hamas and Hamas is not Shia or whichever one Iran isn't. Hamas doesn't, Iran doesn't care who they're backing so long as they're Muslim going after Israel. When it comes, yeah, when it comes to going after Israel.
Starting point is 01:34:41 When it comes to going after Israel. So when it comes to this, I think that it makes a lot of sense for the president to be engaging in talks with Iran to try and limit their nuclear program. This has been a problem for America for years and years. And it's a problem
Starting point is 01:34:53 because if Iran has a nuclear weapon, then suddenly they're attacking our only ally in the region. And then suddenly America's on the hook. And also... Again, I think,
Starting point is 01:35:02 I really do think the Saudis are an ally. Are they not? Well, they are kind of. But they're also, you know, not a democracy. Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. If they could get rid of like if they could get rid of infidels all across the board, most times most of them would. So they're not really our friends they're kind of our friends when they need us until it gets to the point until it gets to the
Starting point is 01:35:30 point where they've taken over so much control of i don't say all of europe because we got every mayor in freaking england you know and they finally take over it all that that they're in control of these nuclear arsenals and everywhere else. And then they will not be our friend anymore. OK. You were going to say Libby? Yeah, I think that the issue of nuclear's Iran's nuclear situation has been a problem for a really long time. I think it really behooves us and, you know, it really behooves us to try and keep that whole situation in line. So to the extent that Trump can do that, I think that's great. And I don't think backing Israel in attacks on Iran would attain the goal that he's looking for. It's my sense that Israel wants the U.S. to do it. Well, that's what Netanyahu was saying. They were not going to go ahead and do this without
Starting point is 01:36:19 the backing of the U.S. because they would not only need the U.S.'s, they said that they would need the U.S.'s help because they would need Iran to know that the U.S. had their back. And so without the U.S. having Israel's back, they're not going to do something like this. It's my sense that Israel, Israel wants the U.S. to back them and say, hey, you know, we'll make sure that should they strike back or something, we're going to do something. But at the same time, I also think that Israel has made it very clear that they will go move on their own if they believe that Iran gets a nuclear weapon. Well, I mean, look, I'm not sure as to what Iran will do with a nuclear weapon, but they allude to the idea that they would nuke Israel if they had one. And Israel is 100% has made it completely clear, well, they have made it completely clear that they will use the nuclear weapon that they may or may not
Starting point is 01:37:21 have because they've never come out and said they have nuclear weapons, but they've made it clear that they will strike Iran before they will allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon. Now, the question that I'm asking is, do you guys think that Israel is bluffing or do you think that Israel will act independently of the United States should they believe that Iran is on the cusp of getting a nuclear weapon? A lot of people are turning on Israel. And if they do not have the U.S. support, they will not do it. You think that they wouldn't?
Starting point is 01:37:55 Libby, what do you think? Yeah, I don't think they're going to go ahead without America. Even if even if that means Iran gets a nuclear weapon. I don't think that America will let Iran get a nuclear weapon. So I agree. Does you know, the U.S. has Israel's back. All the way up to that point. So it's so it's the consensus here that the United States will act to women.
Starting point is 01:38:19 Well, I'm asking a question. Oh, my goodness. Foreign policy. So I just want to make sure I understand you. It's your consensus that the United States is likely to act before Israel needs to, right? Because I think everyone here kind of says, yes, Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon, right? No. I don't want anybody else to have nuclear weapons.
Starting point is 01:38:46 No. We're done. We should be done with that. Well, that's why we had the Budapest memo in 1992 to get rid of the nuclear weapons in Ukraine. Yeah. And that didn't actually go so great for us, as it turns out.
Starting point is 01:39:02 No. No. Clearly. So, yeah. All right, I think we're going to go to Super Chats, right? Yeah. It's about that time. You. No. Clearly. So. Yeah. All right. I think we're going to go to Super Chats, right? Yeah. It's about that time.
Starting point is 01:39:08 They're going to horrify me. I don't think they will. I think they'll be fine. All right. So smash the like button. I was a little behaved today, right? You were just the right amount of misbehaved. I was a little more behaved than usual.
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Starting point is 01:39:40 Yes, you are. Shane H. Wilder says, Our dear Jessica, TimCast Graphical Extraordinaires dog tank is undergoing intestinal surgery. There is a give-send-go at Save Tank the dog. So if you have some money and you could give a little bit to the give-send-go
Starting point is 01:40:01 to Save Tank. And he had some complications too overnight. So it's pretty touch-and-go. So yeah, it's not just had some complications too overnight so it's pretty touch and go so yeah it's not just like surgery it's like that he's pretty touch and go so yeah so if you can uh if you can help we would appreciate it uh let's see uh dave brick and says happy belated born on phil congratulations on your noon soon to be child may he she grow strong and intelligent he will be a uh a an asset to society i'm sure and i thank you very much for the uh the kudos you're gonna be an old man dad i'm
Starting point is 01:40:32 comfortable with that let me tell you exhausting it is the older you get the more tired you get well you know look i'm on the age that i am that i am and i can't do anything about it you're active i had my son when i was old and you know now I'm way older. I was married once and my ex-wife couldn't have kids so this is the this is what I got. Just have tons of babies who cares? As many as possible. I have another one
Starting point is 01:40:55 next year. Alright so um uh Hitchhiker of Texas says way to go Phil way to go Way to go Phil on the panel Thank you very much Angry Marsupial says Phil no offense
Starting point is 01:41:10 You are objectively the least attractive person on the panel tonight I'd say you're the most aggressive But you know Philly and all See And yes you're right I am the least attractive I'm working on it I keep saying that I'm trying to work work on being less masculine, more feminine. It just it just comes out.
Starting point is 01:41:26 I completely understand. It just comes out. Yeah. It's very. I figure if I do enough yoga. Struggle. We'll be so zen and we'll be such good people. The effing the effing saddle trip says I hope Phil is having fun on ovary cast.
Starting point is 01:41:44 Oh, let's see here. Bike Curious George. My wife and I are having our first child, a girl, on the way, and we haven't been able to agree on any names. Seeing Libby cast earlier, I proposed the name Libby to my wife, and she loves it. I hope Libby doesn't mind. That's so sweet.
Starting point is 01:42:02 You know, my mom wanted to name me Libby and my dad was against it and he said she needs a real name. So my actual name is Elizabeth. I love the name Elizabeth, but it's part of my first name. Everyone calls me Elizabeth. Yeah, everyone calls me Libby and has for my whole life, but I can always have an official name if I need to.
Starting point is 01:42:21 Mini Matt 400 says, Hey, Phil, welcome to the view cast tonight. Loving this discourse inaction. I knew they were going to say that. Which one of us is Whoopi Goldberg? Oh, none of you. Look at Phil looking right at me.
Starting point is 01:42:33 None of you. None of you are Whoopi Goldberg. It's Phil. Wait a minute. What? Here I am being nice. Libby just tosses me right under the bus. Let's see here.
Starting point is 01:42:50 Big Hookah PGH says, Don't make the black kids angry by Colin Flaherty. Explains why this is happening. Also, Scott Adams is right. That's a little spicy, huh? That's probably my fault. Well, you know, you draw in the undesirables, apparently. I like to just talk truth.
Starting point is 01:43:11 Hitchhiker Fox says there is no intelligence in the intelligent community. I don't know if I'd agree with that. There's some pretty smart people. They get some big brains. Let's see here. Not a bot says we already know about the, we already know more about this shooter than the elephant man shooter who almost got Trump in Pennsylvania. That is a,
Starting point is 01:43:32 that is true. It's kind of funny. He calls him the elephant man shooter. Cause he kind of did look like the elephant. Um, do you guys have any sense that the, the, that was a really weird op and it was a definite inside job.
Starting point is 01:43:44 I don't care. It was weird about that. Yeah, or else we'd know more about it. He'd wiped his whole house like it was all clean and sterilized and there was missing silverware. It's very bizarre. It's giving the Vegas shooter from years ago where they just... It's like no follow-up?
Starting point is 01:43:58 Are you kidding? I don't know. It is weird. Isn't that like the deadliest mass shooting in American history? The Vegas one? Yeah. We had nothing about that either. No. It's a special. CIA.
Starting point is 01:44:10 I don't. This is what the CIA should not be doing. Definitely not. I don't think CIA did that. I think they have a hand in everything. Oh, I don't. I think they have a hand in way more than you think we do. Clowns in action?
Starting point is 01:44:22 No. No. No. No. They're far more the. they have a hand in a way more than you think we do clowns in action no no no they they they're they're they're far more the it's my opinion that they are far more the bay of pigs cia true than the cia that people imagine does amazing things right like it takes a lot to be be to have successful operations that people think they do. They're definitely the
Starting point is 01:44:45 look at how many times they tried to kill Castro and blew it every time. Over and over and over. Over and over and over and over. They also tried to shoot JFK a number of times too and they finally got it right. I don't know that that's true either. There was reports of other attempts prior to that
Starting point is 01:45:01 in multiple locations in Florida and Chicago and other places well maybe but so I don't have any I have no sense of that because I haven't heard that that's the first time I've ever heard it I went on a rabbit hole down that too recently so no like I said I've been down rabbit holes I'm being the stay-at-home mom thing it's like think about how they behaved regarding Castro who was only 90 miles off it's communists in our backyard they had nuclear weapons aimed at dc like there was as much motivation as you could possibly get for the cia to take castro out and he just lived forever and they're still communist down there
Starting point is 01:45:41 so i i i do think that they have been successful in the past, but I think largely they are the clowns in action CIA as opposed to the big bad. That's comforting. Pardon me? Comforting. Maybe. Let's see. Cain Abel says, I saw horror movies as a little kid and up to my old age. I don't think, is what he's probably said, I don't think gore is the problem.
Starting point is 01:46:05 I think they are not raised by parents, mostly don't have a father figure in their lives. I mean, that's the continued given narrative. Is that the sense that you guys have, that it's all family? No, it can't be. Well, here's the thing. People have to come from two-parent households, right? Being a teenager sucks. Like, it just sucks.
Starting point is 01:46:27 You ask a lot of questions about the world. You feel awkward in your body. You go online. You stumble down a rabbit hole through gore. I'm not saying that's, like, the only thing that does it. But, yes, but that's, like, the secondary thing because they're not getting the proper attention,, stimulus and things like that from their parents at home. Or if it's one parent, if it's parents that are absent, if it's parents giving them iPads instead of books to read or taking them out to the playground or hiking or whatever. And so then so that is the foundation that they don't have this family.
Starting point is 01:47:00 They don't have God. They don't have the structure or this morality. And then they fall into those things. And then comes the rap, or then comes the gore. But it is not the original problem. It's like, it's... They go asking questions. It's the icing on the cake type of thing. That's what I think. Soapy Anima says,
Starting point is 01:47:18 check out the Boonies HQ Discord. We're trying to grow the community. And then, as an actual follow-up to this one, Hal Gailey says, gore is one thing. Malice and sadism, another exposure is secondary to identifying with it. There are signs of such in and that there are things that may help bring it out but people there are people that are predisposed to it this has been around forever did you guys read marquis de sade julia like you know stuff has been around for a while right um but not to mention all the rest of french literature but in like i remember reading that i was like this is a lot okay but like you have to have that that emptiness that you're kind of filling with some radical stuff to like because i read it i'm not out there doing any of that
Starting point is 01:48:19 right but but other kids who or other people who may not have some stronger foundation – I don't even say I'm perfect. I could have easily fell into any stuff. But like it's really that lack of moral foundation I think that is the root cause and that is just an add-on. Or they may have some tendencies and without proper guidance and access to these things, it metastasizes. There's also – I mean also like – And there's just bad people. People talk about nature versus nurture, and obviously it's both. Right.
Starting point is 01:48:49 You know, obviously it's both. But the uptick has to be explained. Like, I think there's an uptick. I don't even know if it's an uptick. I think it's just that we are existing now, and so we look at everything that is happening now as the ultimate, you know, crux of history. And it just isn't. There's also the availability heuristic, right? There was way more violence in the Middle Ages than there is now.
Starting point is 01:49:13 There was way more violence in the early Americas than there is now. There was child sacrifice. Sure. And maybe we are. And maybe we're exactly the same as the Crusaders. You know, when you look at letters home from war from from the Crusades, and you look at letters home from civil war, like they're the same letters. It's the same. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:49:32 Like human beings haven't changed very much. We just have more stuff. And we have, you know, and in a lot of ways, we are extremely less violent than we used to be. And that's why every incidence of violence strikes us so profoundly. These things didn't used to be profound, like your sister would get raped and your cousin would get murdered and there'd be duels. People used to I mean, we didn't have boys thinking they were girls and we didn't have sure. But like any of this. Sure. So now we have this weird social stuff as well. But Alexander Hamilton's son literally died in a duel over dishonor.
Starting point is 01:50:06 You know, Alexander Hamilton fought in a duel over dishonor and with Aaron Burr and he was killed as well. So we've had this kind of violence and it's been much more severe for most of human history. We're in a shockingly peaceful era, but we see every incidence of violence as like, you know, some horror because it interrupts our peaceful existence. But we have a peaceful existence, right? I mean, we don't have turrets on our homes. We're not like fighting our neighbors. Even the Hatfields and the McCoys,
Starting point is 01:50:39 like that was a long time ago. Here we are in West Virginia. So, you know, you talk about the feud, but anyway. I don't know. I mean, I've had more more i just listed a ton of them the other day like on my twitter like all the crimes me and my family have been like a victim of right like it's multiples right like it's not tens it's like 20s right and that may not be everybody in the united states existence and i understand that crime happens more, but I don't think one family should have over their lifetime 50 incidents of actual crime and some violent crime on their family. I think you're I think you're right. But urban areas have literally always been more violent i mean mid the middle ages like everybody the middle ages
Starting point is 01:51:26 in europe if there have always been more violent crimes with with more populations of course but it's not like and that's back when you would die from an ingrown toenail it's not like it's i just i know so many people that have been victims of crimes, and some don't even get reported, right? Like some things just whatever. But I just feel like I remember my grandparents living in Philadelphia, my parents living in Philadelphia. And it definitely, there is definitely a different feeling. There's definitely a different, an uptick in these things. Like these things didn't happen to my grandmother and and and she lived in port richmond like it didn't happen to them uh
Starting point is 01:52:11 you know 60 years ago it didn't it didn't and so for yes i can understand that like okay in the grand scheme of things in this time period that it's less than you know when there were barbarians and whatever but there is something going on. There's a spiritual warfare going on. There is some humanity loss, some no respect for life or respect or morals or any of that. There is that uptick. And I just feel like if you're denying that, not that you're excusing it away, but like you have to really see that there is a problem here.
Starting point is 01:52:47 That's all. All right. Well, Call Sign Ewok says, sorry, Libby, you're wrong about MS-13. It was started by El Salvadorian refugee teenagers who were getting it beat up by others' local gangs. The teens were into Black Sabbath and made the devil horns part of their gang style. I thought it was in, I thought it came to be in a prison.
Starting point is 01:53:08 Well, I don't think they were, I don't think they were violent at first because when I was reading up on this earlier, in the 80s, some El Salvadorian teens who had escaped
Starting point is 01:53:16 the Civil War back home were just like hanging out, drinking, smoking, listening to heavy metal and then eventually needed to start defending themselves and then in the 90s this guy who had been trained by green berets came over and military militarized everybody you know well i was right because it did it did back him of origin in los angeles okay yeah uh
Starting point is 01:53:40 new guys don't new guys don't haze me. Where'd it go? New guys don't haze me says rip Phil. If he says calm down at all during this episode, I'll tell Lisa to come. He can tell me that. Out any fear. Yeah. No, I don't know about these two, but Lisa.
Starting point is 01:54:00 Yeah, we're good. Uh, let's see here. Relax, Lisa. Relax. Settle down. I. Relax, Lisa. Relax. Settle down. I think that's funny, actually. Cat318 says, what has happened to these kids in Texas? The family of Carmelo Anthony has taken the money raised for his kids' defense and bought cars and 800K houses.
Starting point is 01:54:20 Okay, I'm going to try to defend this kid. That didn't happen. Yeah, they didn't actually buy an 800 000 house the house they they're renting and it it is a nice house but they're renting the house so that way they have a place that is not where they used to live because of you know because of all the the publicity surrounding uh the the trial and stuff and they were already in a nice house from what I understand. Like he already owned a nice house. They're renting this house.
Starting point is 01:54:48 They're not from the hood, right? These are suburban kids. He does finance for a car dealership or something, but the mom's unemployed. But apparently they still had like a $900,000 house, I think, was originally what they had. Yes. And also they haven't been able to touch their donations yet. So I think it's just the donations, the internet telephone game,
Starting point is 01:55:10 everyone was speculating. And so then it became fact, but like when, when the donations go in, they should be set up for legal defense to where they're only allowed to be paid out to the legal funds and not to. So it doesn't look like, you know,
Starting point is 01:55:24 people are getting rich on these donations it should only be able to go to the legal defense and then any portion that is unused returned i i don't whether or not i mean what i mean you can have an have that opinion but i don't think that the people that are donating care no they don't they don't care at all no they don't but i'm talking about like in in the grand scheme of like what would be morally ethical you shouldn't like if if you're raising funds after you killed somebody you shouldn't be able to use it on anything but whatever what are you saying no nothing um i'll tell you after uh eric bloodaxe says so did anyone notice the classified doc
Starting point is 01:56:03 released by the dni that shows federal classification of gun owners as terrorists? Check out the S2's wire report. Yes, I did. I actually retweeted a multiple or tweeted it and retweeted a bunch of tweets about it. Essentially, this isn't really news, though. But if you paid attention to these kind of things, you knew during the Biden administration, the Biden administration looked at gun owners as potential threats. The Democrats more broadly want to abolish the Second Amendment and take everyone's guns. I don't care how many times they say we respect the Second Amendment, but they don't at all. They want to take all they want to get rid of private gun ownership.
Starting point is 01:56:46 Right now they're going after semi-automatic. In Colorado there's a bill that's going to get rid of semi-automatic gas-operated rifles, which is almost every semi-automatic rifle. They want to get rid of semi-autos because, well, look at what happened in Afghanistan. You know, like the reason that the United States was never able to really subdue Afghanistan is because of rifles. The reason the reason that the that the U.S. was never able to subdue Vietnam is because of rifles. Valkyrie 0010 says the two way is meant to prevent the government from having a monopoly on violence. For this reason, your idea that we only have the hope of legal recourse. Oh, you know, the the YouTube app just crashed, so I couldn't finish that.
Starting point is 01:57:34 So let's see. We got a private text message from James Klug that said, for F's sake, move on from foreign policy. James, hush. Calm down, James. Let's see. where'd it go where'd it go the 2a is meant to prevent the government from having a monopoly on violence for this reason your idea that we only have the hope of legal recourse is the problem the government must fear armed recourse if we are to be a free people look man there are some things you can't say on youtube um and so so with uh with that we go to raven gray the largest extortion racket is the pre-industrial is
Starting point is 01:58:16 pre-industrial japan was conducted buddhist monks most people presuppose buddhism equals pacifism i have absolutely no idea about that. Did anybody bring up Buddhism? I don't think so. I didn't think so. We brought up yoga. Which I said was satanic. So Cain Abel says, you don't need courts to tell if illegals should be deported.
Starting point is 01:58:38 You just need to check if they're citizens or not. If not, deport. That's where I'm at, man. Look, there are at least 10 million illegals, probably 15 or 20 million illegals that came in in the Biden administration because Joe Biden specifically said he told them to break the law. Right. So this administration trying to fix the lawlessness of previous administrations means that we're going to have to do some things that the left isn't going to like.
Starting point is 01:59:08 But guess what? The good news is the left isn't going to like anything that Trump does. So it doesn't matter. They're going to act like this. They're going to act like it's the end of the world. No matter what he does, it's it's better for America if they just start rounding up the illegals and sending them home. Let's see uh you use the federal document cave for prisons i mean just file them put put them in the filing
Starting point is 01:59:37 cabinets you know the you know you know the the caves that they had the uh the documents that that doge found they they you had to, if you wanted people to retire, there weren't only so many people that could retire because they had to use the cave to file the stuff. So I guess we're just going to start filing criminals now? Oh my gosh. Let's see. Last one here.
Starting point is 01:59:59 War pig snore. No man wants to hear a bunch of women yapping about politics when they can't get drafted. There you go. Kind of agree. Calm down. I'm fine. It's funny because somebody was like Lisa wants everybody to stay home and make babies and here she is yapping and talking to everybody.
Starting point is 02:00:16 Yeah, true. I know. I'm very aware of my hypocrisy here. I told you. You were going to have plenty to say. I really didn't think I was going to have anything to say. Of course you didn't think that, but you don't think that you have much to say any time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. Smash the like button.
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Starting point is 02:01:03 Yeah, go follow me on x at maggie moda and on youtube at indoctrination thank you guys so much for having me today um come on come on come on tomorrow watch the culture war um we're moving the time again it's we'll be going forward 12 to 12 p.m to 2 p.m tomorrow Tomorrow we have on Is Angry Cops coming? Angry Cops. Angry Cops. Angry Cops. Richard, I love you.
Starting point is 02:01:30 Andrew Branca. Uh-huh. Awesome. That's the law of self-defense on Twitter. Correct. And the guy from The Gifts and Go, Jacob Wells. Awesome.
Starting point is 02:01:38 So we're going to be talking all about this case and Tim will be talking about if it's self-defense or not. I wish that I was going to be here. I would definitely come if I wasn't going to be here. It's going to be very interesting for sure. So tune into that if you care what I have to say. I don't really
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