Timcast IRL - Milo & Tim Pool GO DEEP On Inside Of TPUSA And Candace Owens With George Santos w/ Milo & George Santos, Naomi Seibt

Episode Date: December 6, 2025

Tim, Phil, & Ian are joined by Milo Yiannopoulos, George Santos, & Naomi Seibt in a special episode of Timcast IRL where Tim Pool debates with George Santos & Milo on the Candace Owens/TPUSA feud.  Hosts:  Tim @Timcast (everywhere) Phil @PhilThatRemains (X) Ian @IanCrossland (everywhere) Producer: Serge @SergeDotCom (everywhere) Guests: George Santos @Georgesantos (X) Milo Yiannopoulos @Nero (X) Naomi Seibt @NaomiSeibt (X)  

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now's your chance without sounding like a weirdo. You can go to casparoo.com and pick up, there's only 181 cases left of the delicious artesian pooled water that you can drink. Milo enjoys it. It does. Milo's here, by the way. Smash the like button, share the show. Tell everybody to watch. I don't drink still water on the whole, but actually as still waters go, it's pretty tasty. I'm not going to lie. Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is, Milo. I'm not very well, I was on, I was, well, I was, you're never very well, Milo.

When have you? When was the last time you were well? Well, people have been calling me sick in the head for a long time, but the joke's on you now, I've got brain cancer. So, no, I was, I, I, you could try. Nobody can laugh. You could, no, nobody can love. You can try, but you ain't going to win today. I hate you.

Isn't it funny how, like, you can basically wear the same outfit and, like, one person's a six and one person's a ten. It's like, it's really rough. But, um, are you talking about me? We're not wearing the same outfit. Well, it's just a vast expanse of blue, which is about as much as my eyes can manage. Milo, your mirror at home is playing tricks on you, darling. Some layers, maybe some, like, texture, giving a little color.

And the black and white photos as well on Twitter. But they're inspired by you. But the proper, well, quite clearly not. They're inspired by you. All my black and white pictures are all an homage to the great Milo. You're my elder seven years. I literally have to pay homage to you. Okay.

The word we use is icon, please. Okay, you're my elder icon. Without you, I could have never crawled. Mere mortals cannot comprehend the honor. No, you should be. Zip it. This is Milo. Do you know, until I got here tonight,

I had never seen such a beautiful woman. Oh, my God. I never seen. No, no, no. And she came over here. I didn't even know. She was in this country. I thought she was in Germany.

And she just, oh. I escaped. I applied for a slide. Did you really? Yes, I actually did. Are you here? Never mind. But, you're going to...

Were you about to compare nodes on your asylum claim? A little bit. No, no, if you come through the port of entry, you're fine until they make a decision. That's all right. Have you considered just coming through Mexico? Then you're here forever. You would have gotten 10 grand too. The funny thing is I did come from Mexico.

The last time I ended in the United States was from Mexico because I was allowed to stay in America under my Ester visa waiver program. visa waiver program for three months at a time. And then I got so many death threats from Germany that I decided I couldn't spend Christmas with my family at home last year. So I went to Mexico for like a week, two weeks, and then I was able to come back to America to extend my visa as a waiver. So it kind of resets. So I can stay at that. Oh, so hold on. So you're just teaching us that you took advantage of the system. Okay, I'm, I need to escape for good because I found out that I'm under surveillance by German intelligence. You actually do need to because I have followed you for a long time and I'm very fond of you and we just met today but but I've seen your Twitter

and there's absolutely no way that you will survive in Germany like you know well can anybody survive in Germany that has an independent mind it's a hive mentality it's a shit country back in the good old no offense no it's terrible and but I'm distressed to learn that you're here and have a boyfriend that's not me and I didn't even get like the option I'm sorry you didn't give my little first right refusal she doesn't know no it's premonocte this is the Prema Nocte. Prema Nocte, she says that, she's, oh,

I'm in the same room. Well, if I'm the king, I get first night with every bitch in the kingdom. That's called prima nocte, medieval Christianity. So, I'm just saying, Christianity. No, he does braid your hair during that period. So that's- And I will braid your hair before,

during and after in case the rest of it's not doing it for you. This is the best introduction explaining who Milo is. George Santos is here. Hi, I'm the younger, less, less. Did you lift up your swing? so we can see how many of you there are under there. There's like five of us. You're kind of like, you know like one of those people on the stilts where you kind of like,

oh, go, that's, that's four people. And I just, I want to know how many of you are there are. And why with four of you in there, you're still not funny? I'm just, I'm just going to do this, you know, like the, the, the nail emoji, like fuck off Milo. No, I don't. No, no, I am literally, I mean this wholeheartedly because I love Milo. This, this is a, we'll do that.

I can do this. It's okay. He's like the gayest person I know and he wants to talk about, Ah, he's gonna hit. Assault! So this also very well. I'll do the time gladly. It's an excellent introduction for George.

We also have Naomi. She's back. Thank you so much for having me again. Quite a shorter and second introduction. Yesterday, yesterday while I was in the car with Chris, you were on the phone. Oh God, what did I say?

Oh, it's okay. You were just complaining. The usual. But this is when I decided. You know how usual? She just met you and she knows you're a complainer. You know how hard I work to avoid Tim hearing about all the diva shit I ask his scarf to do.

Shout out to Chris, amazing driver. Who did not pick that, even though he knows that he's my favorite, and I was very mad about it. But actually, I was picked up by something called Brian. Is Brian the one who does all the hotel bookings? Yeah. Thank you for the sweet, by the way. Very nice, very thoughtful.

Yeah, they didn't book me a sweet, but I got upgraded one anyway. Yeah, that was on purpose. Well, I always get upgraded because I'm ambassador release. Phil's apparently here. Hello, everybody. My name's Phil Labonte. You booked him a sweet to piss me off. No, I have nothing to do with this.

Obviously, it's not fucking working, but still. You should have. Obviously, it's not. Lead singer of the head and that will be at all that's left. I'll send you a picture when I get that. I'm so done with this show. You know, I'm gonna tell you how done I am with this show. I'm drinking my favorite beverage, which is...

Ian's here. It's honestly, it's... Would you, were introducing themselves? Can you shut the fuck up? I love you, but wait. Wait, your turn. Patience, Milo is virtue. You got to be Christ-like.

I'm sorry, are you lecturing me on Christianity? Yeah, sounds like it. Crystal Kevin. Crystal Kevin? Crystal Kevin has insights from the Krypton Factor paranormal realm of fractals. Can we not? Your blood has crystals in it.

Yeah, because I've got gout. By the way, I'm happy to be here. Thanks for asking. Ian Cross. I was happy you were here until that. It's the old senators disease. That's what it really is. So anyway, we have news.

George, this is not the fruit and cheese box. Yes, it is. No, this is the cheese trio. It's different. Buddy, that's all they had. You're the fruit. And you know what? I just didn't want to witness cannibalism.

I told you. Oh, bitch. I didn't want to witness cannibalism. He's like, I need fruit. I'm going to eat for. I'm like, dude, no, cannibalism is bad. I feel like this is the kind of show that appeals to the non-news audience,

because it's more entertaining, dramatic. Still got daggers coming out of the eyes with me. We should talk. We should talk news, though. Milo's so serious and talking about real-worldly news. You should see it. Let's kick it off. I'm sorry.

Do you want to go toe-to-to-toe on seriousness? No. I'm not serious. I'm sorry. George Santos is giving me lectures on being serious. Now I really have heard it all. So here's the first story. CNN falsely claims black J-6 pipe bomb suspect is a white man.

And we actually just thought this would be like the funniest story to lead with. Because while he was claiming it, The man who looks very much like Steve Urkel was on screen. I'm not making up a joke. I mean, that's literally what everyone's saying. There's memes popping out where they said, did I do that? And Jake Tapper apparently didn't bother to look or do any research before pulling an anchorman and just reading whatever they wrote in his teleprompter. So, welcome to America.

I hope you find it humorous. Is there any more actual development with the story about the... Yes, he's not white. Well, there we go. He's not white. Can anybody remember which one has the MDMA in it? Which bottle a drink? That's actually none of them because we have no such thing here.

You're right. No, none of them do. I'm not. I was kidding. I'm sorry. You want a little pick-me-out. You want a little pick-me-out. It's the-you-I-feel that. But I would just say, don't drink. I'm joking. I promise I'm joking. Don't drink the liquid death. Well, that has probably something much worse in it. Plastic. When you posted that thing about, I don't even know what we're talking about. What's going on? No, I was just kidding, holding it up because I was crossed with them about Candace. but no, but I, but I, but I, I, I, I saw that thing of where you cut it round and there's like a plastic bag inside.

And I know that obviously from boxes of wine at home. Um, but I know that bitch does. I, I've never seen him drink out of a, a bottle at home. It's always a box. And, and the wine that he drinks is just called wine. Who? You? Me?

Yeah. This doesn't just happen, you know. I'm just, you know what? I can't. But let's go back to Jake Tapper call him black man, white man. You'll never see him eat. It's the only explanation. No, no, so I was just kidding about the other thing

But this is when I saw you, let me just say something Let me get it, can I get it off my chest? Yeah. Can we just address it? Can we deal with it? Okay. The guy that went after Jack Dorsey, Jedi level. Jack Dorsey.

The guy that went after this, Jedi level. I haven't loved this week. But I will say that this is like really cancerous and horrible. reason I'm sipping it is because it's cold. But, no, none of them have drugs in.

You want some Jedi shit right now? You want some deep force from you? I'll come up in about six weeks. Yeah. I'll see you then. Have you seen with Nail and I? Say that again? Have you seen with Nail and I,

the movie? No. Is that guys that, when I dose you, you all know you've been spiked. Or something like that. I'm just that I would never accept drugs from you in the nicest possible way because I know that.

I can see, like, you know when you look in someone's eyes and it's a bit glassy and then you just see like eternity. There's just nothing there. And then if you sort of get a microscope and like, oh, that's what a fractal is. Like, that's not the guy to take drugs from because you don't recover from it.

You have to trust yourself. Whatever you would give anyone would like one shot any mortal. Unless they're already. Like the mushrooms are like, there's probably four of these mushrooms in existence and they're all in his loft. You know the truth. And you don't want to touch it. You don't even want to lick it. You don't want to be in the same room as it.

You just be in the same room and think you're meeting Margaret Thatcher, you know? Like, no. You're projecting. You wouldn't want to be. But that doesn't mean others wouldn't. there are lots people that would want to be right up there next to me, just staying warm. But my question to you...

Stay in warm. The word drug comes from the term dried herb. It was a French word that means dried herb. Just a basic, because there's so many plants that all... Are you trying to rehabilitate the reputation of all the things that you take that you should? I didn't need to know that. Drugs in general, yeah. It's going to be there forever now.

Are you familiar with the concept? You know, like, some things can be like important but not urgent. Are you familiar the concept of sort of like connected but not relevant? Yeah. That pretty much describes Ian. But that's what happens, you see, because the... So what do you want to talk about? The connected bit of your brain still works,

so you can still shoot off and make links between things, but the critical thinking... The higher executive brain functions are just fucking gone. The problem, Milo, is if you become too relevant, you become a target. I wasn't talking about influences, babe. I was talking about your ability to think critically. The seem irrelevant.

It's clearly destroyed. Well, the weed has lowered minds. intelligence, but raise my wisdom, for sure. Also, I don't want to be too famous, dude. I know that you think that. But actually, in fact, it is the worst drug on the planet. It is the worst, worst, worst thing in the world because it saps people slowly and insidiously of their energy, their enthusiasm, their desire to achieve, their, their motivation, their, their, their, what are we talking?

Your general level, I don't know. I think anything, any, we've flown up like three different subjects already. On weed, you have no perception of what's happening. And in fact, most people think the opposite is happening, and it's not. Okay, real quick, I take Vivance. I am so ADD, and I can't keep up right now. Understood. Like, V V Vance is, like, I was not ready with this conversation.

No one's shocked, you can't keep up. You are triggering the worst side of him. Stop! I know it's the ultimate. I'm going to see you not being able to keep up. Milo, Milo, tell me about your day. What do you want to talk about? See, that was shady.

That was shady. What do you mean? I was shady, I love you, but that was shady. Why was that shady? Because it was kind of like, okay, if you're going to do this again, then I'll just give you the show. You know, you know it was shady. You know it was shady. That's an insult to my intelligence.

I'd like to talk about George. So, you of course have seen, so cheese is really... I don't know which one is... That's not water. Selection paralyzation. No, but it's better than... No, mind. George, we have a lot in common, at least at the surface.

Of course, yeah. And I do have a great affection for you. I love you too. Wonderful. And if I ever do need to, you know, block out the sun, you're the first person I would call. But just what I'll call me a walking eclipse. Fuck you. Total eclipse.

But but but there's a there's a lovely ad for chocolate and she goes full moon, half moon. Total eclipse. So we have some differences though. And something that surprises me about us is you're quite a centrist in many ways, aren't you? So you're, I mean, I know that you're kind of moving away from politics anyway. I'm practical. Because it was bad for you. Put me in prison.

I think it's fair to say it was bad for you and bad to you. Yeah. I think it's reasonable to say that. But you're quite a centrist, which you would never expect. Do you often get people sort of thinking, oh, so you're not like a Fuentes guy? You're not like a dissident, whatever. Because you have that kind of personality ordinarily. Yeah.

That would cleave to the margins, right? Because we're used to gays being, you know, at the ages, but you're just like incredibly fucking boring. Why is that? Wow, incredibly fucking boring. It's not that I'm boring. I'm just practical. I mean, I don't subscribe to the left or the right all the way, you know,

where they're meeting in the back with one another. So I'm just practical. I think you've been a too. My point is I think I can be Candace Owens and go bat shit crazy. Hey. I can be. No, I'm not going to. No, no. Let me just, let me finish my line of thought.

I can be Candace Owens. Troy, think of Troy. I can be Candice Owens and go back shit crazy. I can be Nick Fuentes and be the most despicable human being on earth. Okay, we agree on that one of those. Okay, and then I can, there's so many other people, but I rather just not be that. A lot of your Twitter accounts have been quite, I mean, I, I, did I notice on the way here one of your Twitter accounts, not maybe not yours personally? It was like, according to Nick Fuentes or, or per Nick Fuentes' commentary, that was quite disturbing.

Have you changed your view on him? Because it's quite, I mean, you're, as a, as a show, you're getting a little, I, it's a, It's, it's, that, that was surprising to me that you're kind of getting like anti-Cantus pro Fuentes. That was unusual. I don't see it that way. I don't think I tweet anything like that. Not you, but some, one of the, like the news account or something. Yeah, yeah.

That's up to that. It's a news account and it's per Niquentes. I mean, it was like a, it was like an argumentative. I mean, look, a broken clocks, right twice a day. I mean, even the most vile clock. Speaking of broken clocks, in his case, the L is silent because he's got a Liputian fish hook, which I've never, I mean, if you, if you, if you, if you. How many people get that reference? Well, so, uh, Brob-

No one in Candace's audience, I'd imagine. Oh. You know, she has a book club, do you? No, I'm just saying. I'm not trying to like, I really don't want to do this with you because I love you so much. But, but she's- Wait, wait, wait, what's the problem with not having a book club?

Because he's implying she's like stupid and ignorant in her audience is stupid and ignorant. No, no, no, no. No, that's not what he was implying. It was implying it's their Gen Ziers. No, but like, does her, well, that's not. I think you missed a mark. That's just wrong.

To be fair, he's been. extremely complimenting about her intelligence. I was giving... She's very intelligent. She's just applying it in a complete wrong fashion. I was giving the benefit of the doubt that he would know what her audience demographics are because they're not that. No, I was saying her audience is stupid. Yes, I know.

But if their audience was stupid, why would she have like a riotously successful book club about reading where people pay to read books alongside her? What kind of people are in book club? And it's about, well, I don't... Okay. It's a real question, by the way. That's a real question. I don't know.

Well, the people who buy books are typically women. Yes. But in her audience... And I've never met a woman that was not smarter than I. Let me phrase it this way. All of them. Let me phrase it this way. Candace's audience, I don't think it would shock anybody to learn.

And this is me speculation. It's not inside of knowledge, but I know that I'm right. It's skewing more female over time because of the way she tells stories and the subjects that she's interested in. Fake stuff. Fake, no, not fake stuff. Okay, sensational. Extremely sensational without any backing, without any proof. I don't think it's opinions.

research, no real research. I don't think it's disrespectful to say. And I don't dislike Candace, by the way. And people are going to attack me for saying that, oh, George, I don't, shut the fuck up, you went to prison. But that doesn't justify that what she's doing is crazy. I'm actually, it's kind of, I think she's very intelligent and she's using her intelligence in the wrong way.

I mean, of the view that somebody with your background is best place to talk about whether somebody is being dishonest in public, actually. So I don't discount you for that. I think she's being increasingly dishonest. But increasing. Look, is an understatement. I don't, I'm speculating here. have insider knowledge, but I know that I'm right about this. Her audience is beginning to skew

you don't know that you're right. I know that. Her audience does skew female. It's very female code. So is mine. But it's not, but it's, but it's, but it was my, my, my, like 63% of my audience on X alone is all women. Having done two episodes with her and, and kind of, you know, he, he will know that you can, there are signs and signals that you can kind of insue it and be mostly on the money from, from, from, from outside and not, you know, you'd never, you know, you'd not be too far off if you've done something like this before. So, women typically buy books. Men don't really read. That's true. So I sold an enormous volume of books in 2017.

Mila, right? And four-fifths of them were to women. And many of those purchases were going to the sons or going to the sons afterwards. But four-fifths of them were to women. And it wasn't to girls with Nazi boyfriends. It was to, let's say, maga-moms or like older or mid-life. So I don't think it's disrespectful to say about Candace Owens that there's a true crime dimension to the flavor, the style that she does things, right? Yes.

And women, and I don't think. I mean, and I don't know if you, you know this because you're married. That doesn't make what she's saying. You don't know this guy. I don't know if you've ever met a woman. I was married to a woman before you even thought, you were pretending to be straight. Forgive me for,

forgive me for having questions about what you claimed before you went away. So I just think that if you, I mean, if you know women, you understand that they are like obsessed with serial killers and true crime. Of course. Those are the big, you know, things. Sop opera drama where she talks about like, how she calls out.

Stop it. And that's exactly how she's building her podcast. Charlie said, I'm a time traveler. Every episode is a new soap opera. But it is ludicrous in the extreme to say that when she says, Charlie said I'm a time traveler, you know and she knows and I know and you know that that's a metaphor. Of course. Right. So what's weird about it?

Nothing. Point that I made about that. Is he saying she's insightful and perceptive and she seems to be able to tell what's coming. Because, because, especially for a woman. So I'll answer. Especially for a woman, she has a great pattern matching brain. So I'll answer this. When I brought that up, my point is she is doing a soap opera where she is triggering the emotions of women.

It's female coded. I didn't say it was wrong. I didn't say it was morally wrong. I said this is a show for women. It's intentional. You absolutely have said it's morally wrong. No, no, no, no. No, no.

No, no. Her behavior is morally wrong. What I have said is. That's obviously the impression you've left, but you've said it's a very strong statement. What I said is specific about how she is telling people to pull their funding from turning point. Yeah. And she's distrable. the coalition.

Democrats are going to win in the midterms because of what she is doing. And she said, no, I care. Is anybody in this room still on Team Epstein? Because I'm not. Wait. I don't think there's a political solution. I am terribly sorry.

I am not on Team Epstein. I don't give it. But my Republican congressman isn't Trump. It's the midterms. It's not Trump. How does your local Republican congressman affect your life? He doesn't. He does.

I actually would prefer it not if the Democrats win the midterms and then start committees and then start arresting media personalities and doing what they did. And impeachment Trump, we knew that when we elected the guy. We knew that was coming. It's either coming now or it's coming in two years

or it's coming in four years. I mean, what's your point? It doesn't have to come. Oh, just not now? No, it doesn't have to come if we stopped this self-inflicted. Oh, yeah, sure. No, these are self-inflicted.

You're absolutely right. There'll never be another Democrat president, so that's never going to happen. I'm not saying that, Milo. I'm not saying that. That was baked in when we, when we don't have, we don't have to forego the entirety of Congress, to the Democrats only so that they can spend the next two years after the midterms doing in each

proceedings. Because they're so effective and useful and they're doing all these great things for America and I mean really really not. If you look at them, they're not. I mean this is great of respect because I like you personally, but you're the kind of person that gets elected to Congress. Like, stop it. Like stop pretending these are people that we need. You know? I think you managed to. But I'm the first one to say that. And that's why you're on a path to redemption that has saved you and that means that I'm the first I want to say that it's a circus. It means that I want to be a friend. And now Marjorie has joined you in that.

I'm very bravely, I think. I think it's a great shame, but I get it. It's a great loss in my opinion. And I get it. But prior to you two, I mean, you could get it. You could get elected just inventing a story about yourself, a backstory about yourself that nobody even bothers to check. And if they do the voters don't care. That's what Congress is.

But that that's why it works with Kenna's own stories because she's just fabricating stories and it works. Not yet. Not you as well. I'm sorry. It's just that in the beginning. At two, Naomi. I'm sorry. In the beginning.

I would have totally defended her and asking questions. But at this point, I feel like she's attacking the family of Charlie Kerr. It's like attacking his entire legacy. I'm sorry. Like, every opportunity that comes up every year, I just desperately beg for a reason to go live in a van down by the river. I'm getting inundated with messages from prominent conservative personalities thanking me for calling her out, but are too scared? They're being paid. They're too scared to say it's a post.

They're not. No, they're private. They're being paid. People are privately messaging me. Sorry, are you saying that people are never paid to stay quiet? Do you think people are being paid to stay quiet? Yes, because of course they are. Because, I mean, there are all kinds of reasons why you want some might want to say that.

Do you think Candace is paying them off so they don't know. I don't mean Candace. I mean the other side. If you know somebody's going to be counterproductive to your mission, you'd pay them to shut up. Everybody who has run a school board election knows that. Wait, hold on. Because some people's endorse. Democrats are paying conservatives not to speak about.

No, I'm talking about conservatives or people at a turning point may well. Look, anybody who's run a school board election knows that there are certain people whose endorsement is damaging. So, so explain what's going on. So if you, there's conservatives who are thanking me for calling out Candace who won't do it themselves. Someone's paying them? I'm not saying all of them, but in many cases that may, I, in many cases, I mean, sincerely, who do you think is, who would be paying them? Okay. So, Milo, who's paying them?

If, if you put it this. I'm going to, you're spinning. No, you're spitting. No, I'm going to give an answer. I'm going to, I'm going to, I, I think entities associated with or possibly, name names directly, probably turning point. No. Oh. Because they are losing the war against Candace.

they're losing. So why they're paying people? They're losing. That's what turning point does. That's what it is. Hold on, hold on. That's what it is. Okay,

okay, wait, hold on. Wouldn't turning point pay people to call out candidates? No, no, because if you know that a particular person is going to be counterproductive, listen, when Nick Fuentes wanted to damage Trump in the last election,

I said, there's only one way you can damage Trump. Endorse him. It's the only way you can damage him, right? When you know that somebody's endorsement is counterproductive to your cause, of course you might pay them

to shut up, and it happens all the time. I've done it. I've done it in congressional campaigns. I've done it in two national congressional. Wait, wait, wait. So prominent conservative personalities are paid to shut up. But these are these are mainstream normal prominent people. Oh, come on. To look, you know that we surround around you know. I'll mention this. I'll give a shout out to House and Habit who shouted me out too. But I don't want to call out anyone by name who's being, who's quietly saying I'm not going to say anything. House and Habit who by the way, I'm catching

strays from this like crazy old bitch now as well. Uh, who's like, you know, just very personal, very physical comments, like I can look a bit crazy in interviews right now because I have a lot of health problems, which causes various things. But like she's a nasty, vindictive, personal bitch.

And she, or at least let me rephrase that and say that her behavior has been that lately. Who is this person that you're like so concerned? She's kind of emerging. She's like, she's like 60, 70,000 followers kind of like on the up and up, right? But isn't that interesting in itself? What was her blog about?

What was her blog about? It's like women's gossip drama stuff, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. So, so, so, you just proved, you just proved our point about Kansas. Not the kind of person that you would expect to, anyway, my point is this. I've done it into, into congressional campaigns. There are people who you just don't want to endorse your candidate.

Look, there's, because it's counterfeit. There's truth to that. Thank you. Thank you for saying. Look, I'm not saying that. I know that. I know because I've been asked to stay out of race. You've been the guy. You've been asked not to talk.

Yes. And I'm not. There is. And I'm not accusing you. I have a question. I have not accusing you. I have to talk. I have never been. I wish I was.

And I won't ask you. I have a question. I have a question. It's mink. What is, what you're wearing? Oh, the hat. So right now, I'm looking at two things. Whatever,

let's step outside of the Candace thing a little bit and be a little bit more broad. I have an opinion that the political fight we are in, we are facing defeat, and... We won everything. In the midterms.

No, we won everything. Yes, and we're about to lose everything. And we've got, okay, well, hold on. Let me just get through this, right? Because we're looking at retirements. It's been a decade of winning. So, so the midterms are coming up. And Trump has got several marginal victories.

Some of these things are not getting through, but let me, let me just, I see prominent conservative. Prominent conservative personalities are refusing to speak out for what they claim they believe. They're thanking me for speaking out. But you're speaking, you're sticking up for these guys. When I'm saying is that they're normal political operatives, you're saying that they're spineless cowards. Indeed. Right. Well, then there are even worse people. So the question for me is...

I prefer they were getting paid. The question for me is... The Brandon Tatum, who keeps saying, I'm not getting paid by Israel. Well, then you're an idiot. I never got paid by Israel either. My question is, Milo, what is my reason for being involved in any of this at all?

Honest question. Because this is what you do for living. And because where the center of gravity is, ideologically, and, you know, commercially too, affects your business, affects your life, affects your children, affects your wife, affects everything about you. Why wouldn't you be interested?

It'd be weird if you weren't. No, no, no, no, why would I... Silly question, why should I be this person? Why don't I work... Why do you have the opinions you have? No, no, no, no. How about I just go work behind the scenes at a PAC or a media company and just... Because the function you're performing is valuable, and in fact, in my view, essential.

Because this is one of the shows that has such a broad guest base, almost utterly unique in media. The only thing that really comes close is real-time, and they have that because of the HBO, prestige, you know, glitz glam and everything, and they can, you know, They can get, although a lot of conservatives won't go on it. They do come here, though. And you have maybe the widest, most varied, and most interesting and distinctive guest base in all of politics. Of course it's in your interest to,

I'm not saying you're doing this, by the way, because I wouldn't accuse you of that, because I don't believe that about you. I don't think you're that kind of person. But it would be in your interests to be anti-Candis. I don't think so. Actually, I think it's in everyone's commercial interest to be anti-Candis because everybody else is going down

and hers are going up. It's that simple. I don't think so. I think it's, you're wrong because the base seems to be siding with Candace. So, you're going to counterproductive. I actually, I actually think criticizing Candace has hurt our viewership.

That's my point. We actually got cancellations on orders. My morning show, subscribers have gone down. I've lost 3,000 followers on X. I, I hate politics. Shouldn't you join the winning side? No, I'd rather just go live in a van down by the river. Isn't that bad?

It's like, if I don't win, I'm out of here. I'm out of this. No, no, no, no. It's more like, come on. Come on. It's, it's, I, I think he's, What he's trying to tell you, he's not willing to sacrifice his principle because it's winning. No, seriously, just listen to what he's saying.

I'm listening to what he's saying. It sounds like he's being affected by these guys by these counties he's talking to. And he's thinking to his guys. I think that's absolutely. You're not that. But there's a big picture. And the big picture is this. There is a loose coalition on the right of various ideologies that came together because there was a unified, there was an enemy in whokenness, in insanity.

that was destructive. It's largely been routed. The right's not ripping each other apart. And... Don't you think it's necessary in what Trump has been doing in the White House? The fact that he is... Indeed, indeed. He is once again the president of Jerusalem

and not the President of the United States. Oh, come on. He is once again... I don't want to hear this from you. Like, that he is once again releasing Jewish fraudsters who ripped off poor people and specifically in the executive orders

saying they don't have... have to pay the fines back so they don't have to pay back their victims. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not fan with that. But I'm saying like, isn't it maybe a good thing that when it doesn't matter so much in a midterm versus when it matters a lot in a presidential election, the right gets it's, you know, what, together? And that we, and that when, and that people have the opportunity to say, maybe some of it was Candace, but maybe most of it was Trump, the fact that the, the midterms were

an underperformance. And have the, have the opportunity to say some of it, because some of it is, is what Donald Trump is doing. I completely agree. When Donald Trump said- I disagree, I agree that Donald Trump is dropping the ball. Yes, when Donald Trump said, if you are, and I think I know why this is,

because I think that Trump was probably a confidential informant against Jeffrey Epstein back in the day. I agree with that, you. I think he probably helped the FBI take Epstein down the first time. That's the only explanation I can see. Based on what? Mike Johnson said it. It's the only, Mike Johnson said it.

Mike Johnson said it. What did Mike Johnson say? I missed it. And then he walked it back the next day saying, oh, I misspoke. I couldn't hear it. What? What? Mike Johnson was asked a question at a press gaggle and he said something to the effect of, you know, that's why Donald Trump

kicked Epstein out of his club. That's why he was an informant to the FBI. No, no, he's explicit. He said Trump was an informant to the FBI. I know, that's why I said he was an informant to the FBI. Forgive me, sorry. He was saying. He was saying at this chain of thought. I missed that. And everyone went, holy shh. And then he rolled it back. And the next day, he said, no, no, I didn't mean it. I misspoke. But in addition to that, and I think, more importantly and more persuasively, because people do misspeak all the time, some of the awkwardness.

Not Mike Johnson. Sorry? Not Mike Johnson. Very intentional. I know the man fairly well. So maybe it is a powerful, more powerful than I think. But when Trump seized up in panic, because that's what happened over the subject of Epstein. No, he did it.

It's a limited number of explanations for that. Where he kept making. I agree with my mind. He kept making very, very obvious missteps designed to piss off. Everyone who loves him most, like Marjorie, like me, everybody who loves him most. People who, and I'm not saying that I put him in office twice, but I did the first time. I did help. I was a big component in the first time.

But a lot of people who put him in office, well, like, what? Because Jeffrey Epstein, as Bannon has said, and who would know better than him, it turns out. Oh, you're going to quote Bannon, who consulted for Epstein? I just said who would know better than him as it turns out. I just want to make that very clear for anybody listening. I just said who would know better, as it turns out. He said that Epstein was the key that picks the lock, right? of all of the kinds of things that people are asking,

like, what is going on here? Why is this like this? And why is it? Epstein was one of the central ideological planks of margatileology. Like, why does the world work like it does? Why do things look weird? Why do those people keep getting away with it? And those people keep not getting away with it.

Jeffrey Epstein was considered by everybody who voted for Donald Trump as a central pillar of understanding that we would unlock and it would be like a code where bits of the universe would get like decoded for it. Oh, my goodness. It's because of that judge. It's because of that. Everybody had that expectation. And there isn't one person who voted for Donald Trump

who did not want and did not expect the Epstein files to be released immediately. I did not have that expectation. I did not vote for Trump. Okay, fine. Everybody except George, of course. No, that's not true. There's so many people. I voted for many other reasons.

Stop it. And then stop it. Stop it. Grow up. Grow up. Grow up. Grow up. Oh, come up.

Oh, it's about egg prices. Stop it. Come on. Part of the reason that Trump was elected in 2016 was that Hillary Clinton was emblematic of the way that the world was going wrong. The secret elite. collusion, Epstein, it was all linked. And people who voted for him the first time

and people who voted from every time since. You can't find me someone apart from George, apparently, who did not want to see the Epstein files. Let me ask you. I promise I'll wrap up and let someone else go. But when he said, there's no Epstein files, and then the Democrats made it up. And then stop asking.

And then, if you're asking, you're not a fan of mine. And then if you're asking, I don't want you. I agree with all of this. That is the moment Trumpism died. I agree. And don't we need a reckoning? And if that reckoning comes through the obviously, I promise I'm nearly done,

the obviously inadequate account from the feds and turning point about what happened around before and after Charlie Cook's death, where his right or die home girl is asking questions that have exposed some inconsistencies and some questions, and which seem to point to a different etiology for the crime than the one that we're being told. And when everybody from Turning Point looks so sinister, suspicious and guilty all the time,

and they're losing to her. Respect the public on that at least. They're losing to her, and they have every reason to be winning. Isn't it smart for us to have that reckoning at the Republican Party right now? So, right, so let me ask you. You said, you praised me for the Jack Dorsey thing that I did

when I sat down with Jack Dorsey on Rogan. What do you view my motivation as for sitting down and challenging them on these things? I think that you are a man of good character. and I think that you are compelled. I see in your journalism, I've seen it when you were out and about more when we first met back in the day,

and I see it now in here. I see, I'm going to blow smoke up here, there's a reason I like you. I mean, you've been very good to me, but there's also other reasons I like you. I think that you are, I think that you are seized by injustice sometimes, and you just like, and you get visibly angry

about people who tell lies or who are hypocritical or withhold information of the public that's critical. I don't believe you got it right in the case of Candice. My friend, I don't. But that clear and ferocious motivation you have, you may have others. Maybe that wasn't the right answer, but it's definitely... It is the right. I respect that answer. I think it's your primary motivation. And that primary motivation marks you out as a man of good character. I just think you got it wrong on this one thing. Is that okay? Sure. And so I'll give you my thoughts.

I feel like my principal motivation for everything is not even political. It is what is true and what is not. I believe you. So I absolutely believe that. Yeah. The liquid death thing was he lied about plastic. Yes, he did. And when you cut this thing open, it's because I didn't get to say it earlier because I was talking too much, which I still am. When you're plastic. When you cut this thing open, it's a plastic bag. And it says that's a plastic on it. And they, and not just that, but they said that profits go to help kill plastic pollution. That's interesting lawyered wording that wasn't on the cans originally, isn't it? Like, stop, stop. So, so the issue that I see. And that's why you should drink pool water. Pool water is.

100% artesian water. I don't know what artesian is, but it's on a lot of expensive stuff, so you should buy this. So Candice tweeted out that you should not donate to this godforsaken organization. They've got 500 million in the bank.

They don't need any more money, especially not to lie to Americans. Sorry, I should mind. But they offered to speak with her. But they lost that too. They lost that. And we thought they called her blots and she. No.

We've got mutual friends and I'll tell you who they are after the show and I'm sincerely sorry I can't do it. I know that I have to do this sometimes because you like me, know a lot of people and you just can't say everything you know. You can't. You can't because it blows up friendships and things that really matter later. Well, I end up saying everything anyway. Yeah, me too. But I'm not doing it now. But we have friends in common and I'll tell you who they are, two of them, who are turning point people who are tight with turning point, who told them they're losing and they're getting it wrong.

And that's what I think too. She's winning. She's obviously winning. Yes. And you're totally correct on the political dimension. The question at the end is why did somebody or whoever is behind it murder Charlie Kirk? And that's what we should actually get to the button. We don't know.

I'm totally fine with asking questions. I do not. I feel like Candace is just making up stories out of the jeez. I'm not saying, I think it's just, she's pulling it from cloth Milo. I'm not going to say because I don't know that Candace has arrived at the right answer today or that she will do in a month. But I can tell you this. She's not even trying. That's the issue that I don't agree with. Um, uh, look, Candace is the one person in public life, the one because it was not Erica.

who has exhibited genuine heartbreak and grief over- Okay, hold on, time out, time out, time out, time out, time out. I can't tell you cannot be the judge of that, that is not fair to Erica. She lost- And everybody agrees. But you can't be the judge of that. You can't, you can't talk about grieving, no, Milo, you're wrong, I love you, no, but you're judge- and they have a question.

No, is a real question, is an honest question. Has Candace cried on camera at any of these shows? It's an honest question. I don't want her show. It's a flippant and silly. answer, but she's, I know that she has cried a lot. I know that because I'm not denying they were great friends. I'll tell you what I think. She's, she is, it is certainly true that in recent years there was a drifting of a turning point and Candice and perhaps something of a drifting between turning

point, excuse me, between Charlie and Candice, maybe it was the pressure from his donors that we now know he was speaking about later, just before his death, saying that was a reason it was pushing him anti-Israel. Maybe he was initially convinced to distance himself from Candace as a result of the pressure we know for a fact because they confirmed it. I'm going to give you a hard example. I'm going to give you a hard example. But she is the only right or die home girl for that man and she is the only person who has been.

I'm going to give you a specific example from her show. Yeah. She highlighted claims that turning point was committing fraud. And these claims were, there were a few. It was about the tax something, right? Right. And it's all lies. The tax form thing is all lies and manipulations.

When you say, let me, let me, let me, yes, absolute lies. The man behind these videos claims to be an accountant. Okay, so either he's lying about being an accountant or he's lying to you. He said the tax forms were missing as if to imply they did not file or they should have. They had not filed yet or they missed a deadline. In fact, he even mentions, I'm pretty sure in his video, the October deadline, which is the 15th. Isn't it true that they filed on the day? I don't know exactly.

And isn't it true that when he said that they hadn't filed yet? No. Was there a way for him to know they had filed? Because there is an enormous gap between when you file your taxes and when it shows up on the IRS website? Indeed, which means they could have filed it in May. So in order to say that it is a lie, what you have to do is... Oh, no, no, no, I'm not done. How about you let me finish?

Sorry. You're right, you're right, right. Right. So in his latest video, he claims that the new fangs, which, quote, mysteriously appeared, which they literally didn't. I mean, it's framing. He says that $1.4 million was paid by turning point over three years to a parking lot. In fact, that's just false. He's just making things up.

It was 110 LLC registered to a UPS store where there are mailbox. A single member LLC is likely a contractor who uses an LLC for business purposes. And these are the stories. Okay. I'm not going to tell you, because I haven't looked into this, that he's not wrong. He's completely wrong. I accept what you say. But when Candace, without vetting.

To call him a liar. Oh, yeah, I'll call him a liar. It's not about calling him a liar. He's intentionally manipulating information. Most importantly, to call Candace a liar, you have to do, you have to do two things that you cannot do. The first is you have to travel in time. And the second is you have to reach inside her head and see what her thought process was. Is Candace Smart?

You cannot. Can you seriously doubt it? I agree that. Can you seriously doubt that she's not brilliant? Let me tell you why I default to liar. I didn't even think she was brilliant. I'll tell you why I default to liar. I've met her.

I've been on her show. She's been on my show. She's a genius. Yeah. She is quick-witted and well-read. Yeah. So when she sees someone make a stupid, statement like tax forms mysteriously disappeared.

There's no way I believe. She ignorantly just posted false information. Have you heard about the atom bomb? I mean, like, geniuses can make moral mistakes. Geniuses can make research mistakes. In fact, most of the business. She thought UTC meant Utah time. Most of the-

She posted her own lawyer's address. In fact, how about this? The feds work at her lawyer's office? It is perfectly normal. For her feds to be working at the same office? For a big office building to contain multiple companies. And when they do so, lawyers... She didn't vet that the chop cars actually went to the airport.

And when they do so, it is extremely normal for lawyers to share offices with government departments. She did not vet that the planes at the airport actually loaded up cars and went to that building. She made that up. You're not going to hear from me that she's got everything right. I'm not here to say that. Endless just bullshit. Clearly that's not the case. But first of all, I believe that she is motivated by a sincere desire to find out

what happened to Charlie Cook. Second, we don't know, we still don't know, because they are telling untruths about it. I know for a fact, for an absolute fact that Charlie has not been buried yet. I know for an absolute incontrovertible fact, he's not been buried yet. Why? Why?

When there's no good reason for it. I know for a fact, I'm gonna tell you, you know that my faith is sincere, I hope. Right, you know that I, thanks for leaving the silence there. No, you, I hope that you understand that I'm a sincere person. I swear on my lord boy I lost,

I swear, cat, not person, but, you know, I swear on God, on the Blessed Mother, I swear on Jesus Christ. I know for an incontrovertible fact that Charlie has not been buried yet. There's no good reason for that, none whatsoever, unless some trickery is afoot, because, and they're telling people, oh, it's because we're planning to build a giant mausoleum. Well, you put together the biggest political event in the last hundred years in three days. Where's the mausoleum, girl? Sorry, no. I know for a fact. He has not been buried. He has not been buried. Why? Because people are asking them. They're saying, I want to go pay my respects to Charlie Cook. I can go visit Nietzsche. I can

visit Karl Marx. Why can't I visit Charlie Kirk? Where is he buried? Where is his gravestone? And you better have a damn good reason why he's not buried yet. Do you have a theory? And I generally mean it. And I say that I would appreciate it and I would prefer it if you are the face of skepticism towards Standing Point USA. But nobody else is doing it. She's the only one. So how dare anybody give her a ship for this? Like, what do you mean? She's the only one. She's the only one. It's endless. She is the only one with a massive platform who has devoted... To Bridget McRone being a man and Blake lively drama.

Absolutely agree with Bridget McCrone. 100%. Wait, you're saying British McCrone's a man? 100%. They can have... I'm not interested in this. I'm not interested in any of where this is going. Let's change the subject.

I am not interested in these people. I am not interested in this industry. I am not interested. I am not interested. And the issue is that. You said before, if I'm not winning, why am I here? That's my point. My point is, if I am not wanted, I don't want to be here.

But you are wanted. And you're more than wanted. You're necessary. But you're getting pissed off because people don't agree with you, and that's not okay. That's not why I'm pissed off. Yeah, it is. No, no, no, no. My motivation for going against Jack Dorsey was not that people didn't agree with me on Jack Dorsey.

I said, no, in fact, everybody agreed with me. I said, I said that I admired what you did with him and I admired what you did with liquid death. This is my point. I don't love what happened here. And now, I think there's a mistake here. as there's been an increase in the questions around what Candace is doing. And I have increasingly been critical of what she's doing over the past few months. And she crossed the line with these vague, listen, I'll put it like this.

In the, most of my life I grew up around the hacking community and computer nerds. And the thing that I focused on was called social engineering. Are you familiar with hackers? So I was staying out of hackers' spaces. I run security free, so I guess. And so I ended up working for nonprofits, doing fundraising, communications, manipulation. is the principal function of hacking in general.

Most times someone's breaking into a computer they're not actually doing code. No, they persuaded somebody to give them. Right, I'm watching Candace do all of the basic components of social engineering. Hi, this is tech support. Would you mind click on this link so I can show your screen and fix your problem?

Yeah. And Candice Owens is doing the lowest grade, but well done, social, assumptive reasoning, manipulation, and it is evil. You are, okay, so I think it's ridiculous for you earlier on to claim that you're not saying what she's doing is morally wrong and then to call what she's doing evil. I think it's just one.

I think it is more like. What do you mean? Well, you said earlier that you said... No, no, no, no, no. When I said she talks about her texts with Charlie, I didn't call that evil. I said she's allowed to share her text with Charlie. And I said, this is an example of a show

that's female-coded, and a lot of them want to watch. People will rewind and make their own judgments about that. And that's what I've consistently said. But I'll tell you what, when I bump into some young men who are Gen Z, and the first thing... So here's what happens. These three young guys, one guy says to me, oh, hey, you're the podcast, you're Tim Poole.

And then his buddy goes, who's he and he's like he had a big podcast. He's like like you know, if you're Trump, the guy then says, do you know, oh, what do you think about Candace? And I said, what about her? And he goes, she went into hiding because they're trying to kill her. And I said, you mean she took Thanksgiving off? But she makes these tweets

that resulted in viral posts. She knows she's doing it when she says, our show is off the air as an update. The White House has confirmed receipt of the plot against me. You keep claiming interior knowledge of her mental state, which you do not possess and cannot possess. I am not going to play this game. I am not going to play this game where you're like, well, she's insinuated literally every fucking time some nefarious bullshit, but she didn't explicitly say it. So I'm too stupid. I'm not going to believe it. I'm not playing a game with you. I'm really not. But I am saying

that I have heard you tell people on this show that they cannot have knowledge of somebody else's interior mental state. I've heard you say it. Why do you claim you have it? That point is specifically about Donald Trump. And my point was, in certain areas, Trump lies about really stupid things. He does, yeah. And then when it comes to, you know, high level foreign policy stuff, he'll get something wrong, but they'll always default to a lie. It might be a lie. It might not be. But the media defaulting to it.

Now, the issue is... You're making my point for me. No, I'm making the point that when Candice... When Candice makes a tweet that intentionally... You can't say that. Right, because if she referenced a tweet that was a lie, but she thinks it's true, she's not lying. I'm going to go ahead and say... I do respect your judgment.

I actually, to a point on this, but as a literal matter of objective reality, you cannot know that. If Donald Trump sometimes lies and sometimes doesn't, my point is we try to parse out when we think he's lying and when we think he's not. And if Candice is doing what is considered to be a basic

social engineering. Going a bit further than that, though, with Candice now, aren't you? No. You are. You're saying what she's doing is evil. What I think is evil is the big picture. That somebody... I'm not talking about a singular action. That somebody heard a man who... Look, When she put Charlie Kirk's Spotify playlist up, my first thought was that is not the Spotify playlist of a heterosexual man.

My second thought was why would she... It's just not. It's not. It's Nicky Minaj and Lord. It's just not. Straight men don't know that shit. It just doesn't. Let me put it. Let me put a way to see if anyone's like, hey, I like.

Great men are not bopping along to Monster. I'm just saying. I'm just, right. So let me say this. The second thing that occurred to me was Candice having the intimate purchase on him that she obviously feels and is feels at threat and at risk like it's i know i've i've stayed with her down in and i've been there down with in tennessee we didn't get on i have no reason to be nice about candace none she tried to get me fired from eeze when she didn't know that i was

doing i was i was working in the bus's best interest okay she went in hard trying to get uh yeah conio west to fire me and it was over the course of months i have no reason to be nice about her zero none let me ask you a question But on this issue, I have more sympathy with her than I do with the other side because I see someone, in my view, sincerely searching for the truth. Is everything she says correct? No. Is she carpet bombing the world with lies? Absolutely not.

When she said, this feels like an inside job. It does. What does? It does. The conspiracy of silence. No, no, no, that's my trick on this show, okay? That's my thing. What's conspiracy of silence?

Someone else is like getting to a good point. That's my. So again, let me point this out. The astronomically inadequate explanations given, in my view, for the actions before and after Charlie's death and the behavior afterwards from both the federal government and turning point executives. You think they're nothing of his deeply, deeply sinister wife.

What? Erica? No, he's... How is she sinister? No, Milo, please. Please educate me. Genuine question, do you know. No, no, no, hold on.

Please, please explain to me. How is Erica Kirk sinister? Have you seen the difference in the size of her hands with Charlie's in their wedding pictures and then compared it to him in his casket? Are you saying she's a man? No, no, I'm saying that that wasn't Charlie in there. What are you talking? I'm saying there's something up.

There's something up. So you're saying he's hidden? I'm not saying he's hidden. I don't say he's alive somewhere. I don't know. But his body hasn't been buried. Did they lose it? It happens.

It happens. Do you think there's a possibility that Charlie is alive? I think it's vanishingly slight. I think it's probably the most... Do you even give it a slight? Of course it's possible. And the behavior of some of the turning point people

makes me wonder. I tweeted today for the first time ever. I didn't name him, but just thinking aloud, do you think he's still alive? But you think there's a possibility that faked his death? Yes. But then why wouldn't Candace say something

more to that degree? It's probably the most difficult thing to prove. And so why won't Candace call out Erica? She has. She has. She's got, she's not only does she, as she mentioned, I mean, she's done it. Candice is the ultimate master of the tease, right? Now you will say.

Oh, so you're agreeing with me now. You will say, no, no, no, no. You will say that that tease is entirely dishonest, fraudulent, and manipulative and wicked. I think she just is the master storyteller. The truth perhaps is in the middle. Agreed. Maybe the truth is in the middle. But she's telling stories.

Stories is a news term. And I know about stories. Stories is a news term and that's the manner in which I meant it. So when Ben Shapiro said that she implied Erica killed Charlie, was he wrong? Um, I think at that time she had not done so. I think later there were comments that I would have to check the chronology, but I think that later there were comments where I'm like, hmm, and I read today and I did not check it out because I'm always two or three days late catching up her show, although I do watch her religiously.

That's the queen. I'm always a couple of days behind watching on the show because I've got, you know, stuff going on. But somebody tweeted today that Candace said that she believed that they were about to get a divorce. I think he was gay. And I think he was gay. Come on. You know that I've, you do know that I've criticized. Like, I'm sorry, Tim, but like, why would you even go there, like to say something like that?

Oh, I'll tell you what. No, no, the man's dead. You're calling, now you think he's gay. That's when people can tell the truth. I know. I disagree. That's what you can tell you why. Okay.

And if you want to, if you want to read in a vindictive crusade on my part for everything I've just said, you are entitled to do so, and so are the viewers. But I'll tell you what happened. I'll tell you what Charlie Cook did to me. Charlie was a very brilliant, very, very brilliant organizer, fundraiser, networker, those three things. Phenomenal. Probably the best in the business, maybe. Certainly one of the top two, three. Amazing at those things.

But it was also very ruthless. It was a very ruthless person who spent. a long time excising and excommunicating all of the most interesting people in politics from the right wing. He did it for a decade. Everybody knows it. Nobody said it because it's not polite in the aftermath of his death. Charlie gave a platform to lily livid, centrist, weak, frauds, faggots and prostitutes and drag queens. What he also did at that same time, what he also did at that same time, and anybody in power, anybody in power. What he also did at that same time was systematically extinguish the light of anybody who could not be controlled.

And I'm one of them, and I'm going to tell you what happened. When you hear rumors about sexual impropriety about me now, most people are like, yeah, probably true. There's a reason for that. Charlie. When I was at the height of my fame, the height of my popularity, Charlie made up a rumor that I was having sex with children on campuses, underage boys on college campuses,

and I was selling them drugs. And he did that because there was not. other way they could seize a monopoly on college campuses because I was just so totally dominant and they didn't have anybody in the influence alone because at that time Charlie was a really shitty speaker. He got a lot better towards the end. I think he got a lot better man towards the end. Honestly, I think having kids really changed him, if I'm honest. But at that time, very ruthless person and they had nobody that could go up against me. He made up that lie. He forced every turning point chapter, everybody, everybody has heard 20

instances where Turning Point has cancelled somebody. Everybody knows 20, 20 times it's happened, all right? Happened to Ashley Sinclair, for God's sake. It happens to most of us, okay? Most of us. Most of us. You have walked a very fine line, and because of the broadness, and because of the mission that you're on, you've escaped the wrath of Turning Point. I haven't. Oh, you haven't? Oh, no. They disinvited us. A little recently. Ah, well, yeah. That's the DNA of the organization. That's what it is. That's what it does. It is a thermostat. A thermostat is a control device. A thermostat's job, is to monitor the temperature, and if it gets too hot or too cold, to make an adjustment,

to do something to force the temperature back. And why are they losing? Back where it should be. Because it worked for a very long time, but it did not work in the wake of their most audacious misstep, which is what we don't know about Charlie Crook's death. There's something. I don't know what it is. I don't know if Candice is right. I can't we just accept that. But there's something. Now, let me just fit. Let me say it. I have Charlie on tape

telling chapter presidents that if they book me, and this is 2016, 2017, okay? If they book me, he will dissolve their chapters. And he did it on the basis. of an outrageous, utterly untrue. I was married by then. I was so stupid. I was completely in love with that guy. I have a completely faithful marriage. It was utterly untrue, and he used it to extinguish me on campuses.

I was cancelled immediately after Berkeley. So it looks like I went out of the height of my fame. But as you know, there's a lag, right? And I had a tour booked up to Berkeley, but for nine months prior to that, I couldn't get booked anywhere. Because the smart thing to do when you're like that is to book next year now. Right?

Yeah. I couldn't book anywhere. And I found out, and I have evidence, I have the tapes, more than one, that he made up that lie to seize a monopoly on college campuses, and it worked. And he told people that I was having sex with underage students and that I was selling them drugs.

Now, I can understand why I might buy drugs from a student, so it was a particularly stupid lie, although I didn't. I can understand why, you know, I'm not going to tell you I didn't have a line of Adderall in a frat party. I'm not going to tell you that. I'm not going to tell you that. I'm sure I did. I know I did.

I remember I did it. I remember doing it. But never in a million years did any money change hands for anything like that. And never in a million years did I have any sexual contact with any student, any university on my tour. You can't produce one. Nobody's ever been able to. But Charlie told everybody that's what I was doing on my bus tour.

And so when, you know, we talk about this, when we lionize this figure, it's important to remember what we're doing. Charlie Kirk was very effective for Trump. No question. And the reason I didn't go after Charlie, and you know what I'm like, the reason I didn't go off to Charlie to tell you the truth is that I thought he was a. net positive for the country. And I thought it was valuable to Trump. I didn't think it was in anybody's interest to do so. And I was like, I guess you would say I was biding my time, right?

And I said, and I tweeted once, don't ever stop being useful, Charlie. But that lie fed into the lie they told later or the, you know, mischievous or malicious like edit of whatever and started what became my excision from public life. It cost me hundreds of millions of dollars. Have you heard what I've said? Hundreds of millions of dollars. Have you heard what I've said about Turning Point? Yes. They've come for you now, too. Not, no, hold on, hold on. Well, just a moment ago, but I don't recall your whole commentary on.

And I've done this in, it's probably appeared in Axios and the Washington Post and maybe the Daily Mail at this point. They are attempting to reorient around Bush era republicanism. True. Neoconservative. True. And this means they have to excise coalition members on the right. True. And so, let me just, let me get into the good stuff because now you're seeing that.

And let me, let me go on. I went to, I got a call from Andrew Colvin and he asked me if I could come out and co-host Charlie's show and I said it's really hard to do. The only one really we can do is if we do Timcast from from turning point like we'd done before. You know they had to zip high his chair to the desk so none of the people left would sit in his chair.

Did you know that? Wow. Let me, let me tell you this. Because every single bitch there was desperate to leap into his chair. They zip tied his chair to the chair. Let me tell you what happened. Because Andrew Colvette would have been in that chair faster than you can say.

Let me tell you what happened. All right. So ask him right now. Okay, okay, okay. So let me say, go ask everybody at turning point. Go to that desk and take a photo of it right now. Maybe they zip-died in the last month or something. Maybe the zip tie is going to come off any second, but they zip tied it the week he died within 40 hours of his death.

I have also heard the same thing. I was standing there touching the chair. I don't remember. So let me tell you, Milo. Let me finish. You've heard it too. Yeah, from several people. Right, me too.

tell you what happened. So we went down and I did my morning show in Arizona. We did Timcast IRL from Turning Point and we did Charlie's show and then we combined thought crime with Timcast. And when we were there, I asked Colvette and another guy, what's the plan for Amfest, right? We've done the same slot for three years in a row. They bring us out. I assume that you pay them quite a lot of money. No. They about you? Yeah, yeah. I'm not. I don't know. I didn't You never paid to be there. I don't mean to say that to cost aspersions. Right.

With turning point, usually money is changing hands on one way. Right. You pay to be on stage for a lot of these people. Right, right. We were... We were considered to be one of their core media partner or something, right? No, a big get. For Charlie, the idea was we have a more moderate, urban liberal audience that shifted rightward,

and he wanted coalition, right? I would imagine, well, I know, that a large slice of your audience comes from the Gamergate metal hinterland with the music that you know that you both like and with the kind of online nerd culture and certain pockets that it's it's that that may be drifted right over the last 15 years

yes you know a lot of you know my understanding from what charlie said from what edger said is that Charlie valued the audience we have because it was an audience they couldn't reach correct so us being on stage was valuable to them absolutely correct so when I asked how a turning point ever reach Ian exactly and they'd thrive every time and so let me let me finish

let me finish I'm curious your thoughts on all this I'll tell you where we're at. I'm interrupting for me. And I'll give a little bit of the more nitty-gritty details on everything that's going on because I'm kind of just a little jaded. So while we were there, this is the beginning of October, I asked them what the plan was for Amfest, and they said nothing's changed. The plan is the same. And I said, okay, fantastic. Andrew said, it is rough, you know, because you guys are on stage for a long time. I said, anything you need from us to accommodate? We can shorten the show. I understand. I understand it's rough now with Charlie. It's a bit chaotic. Who would say anything else? So two weeks go by, my booker, you know, Lisa's reaching out to them, and I'm texting.

Shout out, Brabunis. And we're told, we'll get back to you. I texted Jack Posobic and Colvitt, and Colvitt doesn't respond. And Jack texts back saying, I talked with Andrew, he says, give him a bit, he's working on it. And then finally, it was three, I think it was three, what was it? On Tuesday, I put it to the video saying, we're not going. So it was the Friday before then When I had made a video saying

What Candace is doing is I said on IRL It's okay What this is part of the story I said what she has been doing is demoralizing Because right now the focus is I don't completely disagree with that The focus that I'm looking at for news

Is there's a coalition I don't consider myself to be anyone's a leader I'm a guy who complains on the internet But how are we going to win these midterms And the Virginia defeat all of these stuff People are getting blackpilled people are turning out of politics and then she starts doing this

mystery style you know a true crime-ish show I called it demoralizing that she's making insinuations of Turning Point because Turning Point united these coalitions I get a message from Colvette and I guess I'll just

we'll go full bore and I'll just spill all of the beans I probably shouldn't have said the zip tie thing so let's do it yeah he basically said he hits me up saying it's a rock in a hard place. I'm paraphrasing. To book one of their longest term supporters.

No, that's not what he's talking about. I got a text about if Turning Point decides to actually engage Candace because they did, it blows up in their face. And so I called him and said, listen, right, I'm not doing this for anybody. My opinions are my opinions. I was like, I don't know what you guys have going on or what you should or shouldn't do, blah, blah, blah. and the general idea was in the conversation is like when Candace came out and said, hear a text message is from Charlie

and he came out the next day immediately and said, yes, those were we gave them to law enforcement. It blew up in their face. The story got 100 times worse. And so they immediately re-qualled and said, okay, there's nothing we can say to convince anybody of anything. So let's just not say anything. That was the general concept.

At the end of that conversation, I said, look, I got to get back to record. It is what it is. And he goes, listen, you know, because of the hurtful things you said, we weren't planning on having you here this year. But if you still wanted to come, would you be open to doing it? I said, of course. And it's like, okay, it's a heavy lift. Let me see if I can make it happen.

It's a big undertaking for you. So let me tell you where we go from here. So I get off the phone with him. And I said, so he explicitly just told me that the past months of hold on, we're working on it, was Literally, actually, we already filled your slot and we weren't going to invite you and we didn't tell you. Yes. So I was... That's how they work.

I was a bit pissed. They do that to suspend criticism. So what happens is... Like Fox hires people from... Come Monday... ...who might otherwise be a threat to market talent. So come Monday, I have also, at the same time, got a request from the World Poker Tour. And they asked if I would like to be involved in one of their promotional influencer streams with a bunch of high-profile personalities.

I said, we are going to be at Amfest. the 18 to 19th, so that means I can only be there. I said, it's on the 17th. It said, okay, that works. We'll drive from there. But we have to do Timcast, IRL from this place. Do you have a studio? They said, yes, we do.

When do you need it? I said, well, we're not confirmed for Amfess yet. Colvett says he's working on it. Let me see if I can get a confirmation from them so I can tell you when we need the studio. Colvitt responds to Lisa saying, we are full. That's the issue. We are working on it, though. And he said, that's the answer you'd get at any point.

at this time. So here's what I said. Let me just, sorry. So immediately, when I get this message midday, I get pissed. Mm,

cool. Because I'm saying, you're full. Okay. It's Monday. I got to give these guys in Vegas an answer. If they didn't want to have me there,

that's fine. But it costs money to lead people on like this. It's an enormously shitty behavior. And we then, and now we're booking late. So at this point, I'm like, I can't even get hotels for my staff.

The prices are going to be really high. It's a bitch. So at this point I said, Lisa, like what's going on? She's like, here's what he said. They're working on it. And I said, no. We're out. So I'm a nice guy. So I hit up Jack Posobic. I had a Benny Johnson. I had up a couple of other people. And I said, guys, I'm not coming. Okay? I don't want to be a dick to any of you. Whatever. You don't need me there. And the general response is, no, no, no, no, no. Hold on, hold on. We're going to figure something on. No, no, no. At this point, if This is the managerial decisions that Turning Point had made up to this point.

I have no problem not being invited. It's not my party. But understand, for months we've been asking. You've been texting. You let on. So I immediately reached out to WPT and said, guys, we're on for the full week. And we've booked some very high-profile guests that are going to be on the show. And we won't be going to Amfest.

And then I made a video. And after I do, my phone blows up. from turning point people being like, no, no, why would you do that? And here's what I'll say. This is what they do. The only reason they led me on was because they didn't want me to make a video saying we weren't going to be going there. What I just said, yeah. So they waited until it was the very last minute. Yes. Yeah. Then when they come back and say, you know what, Tim, we've changed our mind? You can come. It's putting me in a position where it's too difficult to do and I have prior commitments. And why should you do that if you spent a dollar based on their

deliberate admitted lies? So there's a few things. People that I would never. rely about, you know, what happened to Charlie, for instance. There's a few things I have to consider, and that's, I am not going to now. You should trust them over Candace for sure. I don't trust her either. But I'm not, I mean, clearly you should trust them over Candice. And the funny thing is, I was saying this before, or at the same time, I'm criticizing Candace. My point is that now, what am I going to do?

Am I going to take them up on their invite, spend extra money, show up? Of course not. Now, I have friends. I think Jack Rose-up is a really good guy. He's a good friend. He's a friend of the show. And it's worth saying about Jack also that he is on the periphery of turning point. They've never offered him an official position.

He doesn't work for them. He's not paid by them. He's one of their, he's close. He's close with them. But he's still classified, because I do know Jack as well a little bit. And he's still classified merely as an influencer of theirs, merely as an ambassador or something, right? They have since come out and they don't continually. They don't pay him.

Offered to bring us out, make something work. And I've said, no. Absolutely right. I'm not interested. Absolutely right. I have some dignity. Like, no. Well, I'll tell you, I'll tell you my emotional state right now.

I think that, I've had a lot of conversation with high-profile business people in the podcasting space, big CEOs. And you know what they all say? Tim, if you say what we want you to say, you'll be the biggest show in the country. I've had those conversations. You have the work ethic? A long time ago, but yes. Like, your ability to talk off script and just nail these points, let us guide you with guardrails. I know that what you're saying is absolutely factually true because 10 years ago I had the same conversations with some of the same people.

And my response is I'm not interested in that. Good for you, ma'am. And so it's no surprise. My faith in you was not misplaced. It's no surprise that we get... He didn't phone it in. What are you saying? You love saying that people phoned it in.

He didn't phone it in. Sorry, I forgot you were here. What are you saying? So let me put... Mile. Let's, let's, let's, this, I'm actually, I'm actually, I'm gonna be honest. I'm really happy to hear that, bro. I don't care about the cameras right now.

I'm actually really enjoying this conversation with you. Me too, me too, be too. Yeah, this is, this is a different tone from some of the frustration I've heard you expressed in the rest of the week. And me too, by the way, because nobody really knows what I think about anything. Let me, let me, let me burn every bridge I can and, uh, Elmo in the fire. How about that? Well, don't do it just because I'm here, but.

No, it's because this is my current emotional state. The first thing I'll say about, what these producers and these CEOs come to me. And they say, Tim, you say too much. Right? A year ago, I went on my show and said, I want to quit. I'm sick of this shit, blah, blah, blah. And they said, are you an idiot?

They said, you're sitting on a company that brings in over 10 million every year. And if you only just did this, we could make it 100. And then if that's, let us take it over. Give us the button. So when you start farting on stream like a moron, we kill the show. Bring you back. And so I said, you know, if I want to go on my show and have an emotional meltdown, that's who I am.

And you know what? Maybe my show would be bigger if I went more mainline and didn't call people out burn bridges. I know that's true. I know that your show would be bigger because I've spoken to some of the people that spoke to you. Exactly. Now with my job and entertainment, I have a bit more clout than I used to. And I know who some of them are and I'm not going to name their names. It's up to you to do what you want to do.

But I have spoken to people who spoke to you. And I'll be honest with you, I heard the same thing from them and I thought, that's my guy. Right. So I'll tell you exactly what they would have told me. Tim, don't say anything by Candace. They would have said, I don't care how you feel. What is the upside for your business? And my response is, I didn't start doing this to make a business.

I kind of just complain about things. But you're not, you're not malleable, so you're not of value to them. After you tell them that. Indeed, absolutely. So there are personalities out there that, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to throw some shade. How do we do that? Brandon Tatum.

Don't do it. Please, please. Feed it directly into my brain. He canceled on us. He once canceled on us because we're actually at Turning Point And I bumped names I can't even say on this show I bumped in I love all of them So I have his truck's not paid off

Okay So I saw all that money from Israel and he still hasn't paid his truck off So let me tell you the story And these are the things they say don't say Because there's no reason to say it You're going to burn bridges and people are fans So I bumped into him backstage at Turning Point And he said something like hey man I'll see you tomorrow

And I was like oh are you coming on the show And he was like yeah And I was like awesome dude It'll be great to have you so he canceled right away. And apparently I was told that he was offended that I didn't know he was booked. And I said, I have a booker who does this.

I don't know who's booked. Okay, well, the reason I bring this up is I'm now just kind of throwing shade because I am, and I don't really have that much to say about him other than that was a bad experience. But the overt pro-Israel stuff that he posts. It's so crazy. It's so counterproductive.

Agreed. And there's a lot of people doing this. It reminds me, doesn't it remind you of the DeSantis supporters who lost the... nomination. So, Milo, let me, let's have a therapy session and I'll tell you what I'm thinking. We've got a handful of right-wing influencers who are caught getting paid to promote India,

sugary drinks, and gambling websites. Elijah, India. Indeed. And there are people like Brandon Tatum who make the most, when people say 7K, I'm just like, bro, with all due respect, his posts are so over the top pro-Israel and ineffective. Well, no, he should be like he's being paid less. They're terrible. He, he, um, it's kind of, it's funny he came out to support Candice.

I didn't see that coming actually. Mm-hmm. Like, thank. Um, but, uh, I thought it was interesting, uh, an interesting alliance or temporary alliance because he's like inverse Candice, like, where she is a genius, like, media, like, uh, mastermind. He, the dumbest, I'm not going to say the word. Um, they, I've never seen anybody like, get, I don't, I don't want to get too specific

on a person, on an individual. Excuse me, some of the behavior that I have seen. No, no, no, no, no, I just, I'm not trying to. I'm saying I want to have a broader idea conversation. And not just, we can complain about people. But basically what I'm seeing is tons of people that are clearly getting paid to promote Israel. Yep. It's vomitous.

Yes. Tons of people who are getting busted doing these cringe campaigns, they're not disclosing, vomitus. People who are chasing the dragon on the anti-Israel stuff, largely irrational. And Candace is a component of this. The vagaries of her show. is demoralizing. And when I look at the field of conservatives and I say,

I am putting myself at risk with death threats with having a higher security for everything I do. My wife can't go to the grocery store with having a security guard with her. For these people? Now, for the regular people, I'd crawl over broken glass.

But this space is dominated by wealthy individuals who don't pay their trucks off. Indeed. but who they have disdain for the regular person. And they're pushing things that people don't believe in. George, you actually were a politician. I know that you don't agree with what Candace says. I know that you don't like a lot of her opinions.

What's the actual, like, what's the actual cephalological electoral consequence of this universe we have with people who are maybe untouchable and ungovernable? You would say like going wild. over here and then a highly tightly sinisterly that's not a word like controlled cabal moving like a shoal of fish over here what's it going to do if it's not checked because my argument is we should have that we should have that meltdown now what happens if we do and what happens if we do so i disagree with you oh i'm back in the conversation now

well it's because i thought you left no i was so glad when he came out the bathroom because i was like that that's another friendship gone At least I'll get to eat. I'll tweet all these tweets I've got. I mean, no, no. So to answer your question, look, you guys are having a great conversation. I want to first clear this out. I don't hate Candace.

I disagree with what she's doing. And it's important to distinguish that. I think she's, as Tim said, very highly intelligent. I think she's genius status. But your question is very simple. I mean, we need the rogues of the world in politics. They are a strategicness to having people outliers like Lauren Boehber, Marjorie Taylor Green. We both in that category.

Like myself, Matt Gates, when he was there, there is a benefit to them because they disrupt the school of fish that you, the analogy you use, right? So I look at it in a two-pronged situation. I think Candace hurts everyone. Candice puts everyone, hear me out. People like Candid, people like Candice who are doing what Candice is doing on an election year that is. is absolutely vital to, you know, the control of government. Hold on, Milo. I know, you heard that every year.

Milo, no, no, no. I'm not saying this is the most important campaign election because it's bullshit, right? I'm not gonna sit here. I say it because it's not to respect to you, Tim. We hear that every two years. It doesn't matter that much. My point is what she's doing is fracturing the base

in a time where it's very sensitive because what happens- Is she fracturing it or is she fracturing it? She's fractured, no, no. She's fractured the base because we're having an example. here. I consider myself to be part of the base. I know you do too. You're on her side. I'm not. And Tim, too, and they're like, you're in a room.

I don't know where everybody stands. You're a former congressman. You can't call yourself part of the She's absolutely fracturing the base. She is. This is definitely not helping anything. My issue with it. When I'm bumping into people, and the conversation is no longer around the issues that Americans care about,

regular people are no longer talking about how we are going to win and make this country better, but they're talking about the dumbest shit in the world. Like, I get some guy being like, what about the Bush in front of Charlie? It's not dumb. And a reason it's not dumb is that this is now occupying the place that Trump made with the Epstein BS. Trump made this void with Epstein.

This void, the need for a grand unifying theory that explains all the mysteries of the political universe, that explains the sinister nature of our, of our lived reality, they say. A theory that explains that. Trump trashed it. I disagree.

Instead, no, I agree with that. You agree with that? I disagree. The Epstein thing was a massive blunder. By shoving Epstein out the way, he created a space for the kind of voters who need something like that in their life. So you're saying there's a segment of Americans that want drama? Women.

Women. By getting rid of Trump, people don't understand this. But that's the only woman in the room if she agree. agrees with that. Come on. You're absolutely making the correct point in what is happening, but not in what is morally correct in the end. But do you understand? To get back to the Epstein point, to get back to the

Epstein point. One major reason, a few years ago, 2019, 2020, 2020, why the Epstein files and this whole controversy around pedophilia and Epstein was happening was because of Qian. I would not say that Qaeda was a net positive

for the movement, even though a lot of people, they were motivated. Right, but if they're not on Q&ONO, they're on something worse. And Q&ONROWS. Well, what is worse? I don't think QNon had any negative consequences. So look, but nobody, nobody died, nobody died.

But turning point USA helped get Trump elected and is doing massive voter drive initiatives. And she is trying to burn it down. I'm glad that she is. Because, although that organization did a lot of good, it also did a lot of damage.

Are you just trying to square out your petty grieve? And by the way, I'm sorry, I take that back. Hold on. They're not petty because they did fundamentally affect you as a person. But are you allowing... They didn't just affect me. Let me ask this. Are you allowing your own personal experience based on what you just...

But that's not fair. That's selfish. Because it's not just about me. It's about the hundreds of influences that they threw off a boat. At what expense, at what cause? At what expense, at what cause? I'm telling you. Right?

To get President Trump a like it. I'm about to tell you, for short-term electoral gain. the IQ level of the IQ level of the debate on the right wing side in this country has dropped 20 points in 15 years. Oh wow, and I agree with you currently. It is so dumb.

And it is not thanks to Candice. It precedes Candice by a decade. I agree with that, but right now? Charlie did it. Charlie did it. He got me out. And whatever you think about me, I talk at a certain level because I'm really fucking smart.

And he got everybody like me out too. Everybody. And who else did he get out? Who did he live? Everybody! Literally everyone you like on the internet was banned by Turning Point at some point. Okay, no, hold on.

Time out. You're saying, I do believe you are very intelligent. Don't get, I'm not knocking you because I do find you to be one of the most intelligent people out there. But at the same time, you're saying, so I take that as a slide and I'm going to stand here because I find Jack to be brilliant. And I find him brilliant.

I find him to be brilliant. Jack is taken a very... Jack is very tied. And then actually think Claire is another one. You mentioned her earlier. I find her to be brilliant with her ups and downs or whatever you want to bring out there. She's also brilliant. She was.

She was. I've known Ashley for years. The two smart people. She produced my political ads. The two smart people who are turning point adjacent and not turning point people, him and Persobic, both have something in common. What? They have proceeded in their careers extremely delicately so as to build a tent rather than to pick aside. over and over and over again.

Jack does it. Jack does it behind closed doors and is a very effective operator, networker, and a journalist as a result of it. What about Alex? And he does it. I just wish Alex would tell the truth

about his sexuality. But you get... There's something about... Gotta stop saying that. Bad, well, we've got... Like, not... Everybody is not gay just because you want it. In conservative media, yes, they are.

No, stop. Yes, they are. Strangely, a lot of them are, no, they are. But the ones are. But the ones who are are out about it. Look who's talking. I'm gay.

I've never said I'm not gay. It's talking. Listen. Uh, um, that one of the most distinctive characteristics... I have a gift for you. Here. I'm not... You need this back.

You need this. You need this back. I'm giving you this. You need this back here. No, I'm not... Like, Milo needs this back because it's his reality. He just... Milo, Milo.

I love you. I love you. I want to get back to what you're going to fall out if you. I love you. I want to... I want to... I don't care how much you say you're saying. There is one of the most distinctive things about the right wing in this country is it's homosexual overtones.

Benny Johnson posts pictures of his children every two days. It's not, it's weird and everybody knows what went on with Benny Johnson in those lobbies and in those hotel rooms at sass. Everybody knows. I don't. I don't know what you're talking about. Men. Younger men, not underage. At least I don't know that.

His wife was crying drunk in the lobby, three sasses in a row about how her husband was upset. Her husband was upstairs with boys. Come on. Go Oscar. Come on. Go Oscar. Come on, Milo. Aren't you ever scared of getting sued?

You say so crazy. I'm sitting here like, I am humbled by the lore and your ability to just. I mean, there's no teapots in this room right now to express how I feel. George, I have said these things about people for 20 years and never once in my career been sued. I've issued three corrections in my entire journalistic career because I get my facts right and people know that they do not want to go through discovery. Actually, I want to say this.

I've never been sued for anything I've ever said about anyone. The one thing I can... I need to say this. I need to say this. Because I'm right. The most terrifying thing about Milo is that he knows all your secrets. Oh no, he knows everybody's more. Trust me. I am terrified of Milo.

I will never cross Milo. Milo is the one person that people say like, why are you friends with him? Bitch knows too much. He's iconophore not to be. You want to be as me? He knows. Too much.

Nobody wants to be his enemy. No, do not cause this, dude. It's not worth it. I was gonna say, like, Benny told you what? Did he get the dick out of his mouth long enough? Oh my God, Milo, you can't say these things. Yes, I can't because it's real and it's true.

Milo, stop. You can't say it because you want to maintain your friendships. I can say it because I can't. It sounds like you never met Milo. You can't see. I don't. I'm trying to help him. I think you'll be fine.

You can't even help you. You just came out of jail. I don't need tips from you about life. Let's, Let's turn the volume from 11 to at least 10. Yes. But I want to say this. I will just say.

When we were talking about how there's people that come to me and they say, Tim, we'll be the guardrails for you and you'll be the biggest. Fags. Fagatized. What they're really saying is, Tim, when you catch someone at a convention doing blow. Don't say the drugs. Don't say the gay sex. Don't say the bad stuff.

Because we've made an investment in that. That's an asset of ours. Agreed. And we want to protect it. Benny Johnson. Well, I'm not saying anything about Benny. Put your queen. I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm a king crown, actually.

A queen crown has a completely different shape. If you look at a queen crown, it has more of a gentle slope that goes over and it overlapped. This is a king crown, and I'll take it. And I will say the word on an airplane, but not here. I think if everybody just literally said the truth. And the fact they don't is the reason we have Candace Owens. And what I hear from you is I hear a nascent club Candice subscriber.

You're not there yet. You're not there yet. But your grievances are her grievances. Your grievances are my grievances. You know what? And I believe the problem for you, with you, excuse me, the problem for you is that you believe she's going about it the wrong way and with the wrong tactics and whatever and so on and so forth.

And you also believe that she's deliberately speaking on truth, which I don't agree with. But because I think her faith is real. I think her faith is real. But Milo. I got to tell you, if you know, if you... Yep, there goes a crown. Well, Tim, I'll say this.

In a vein. Listen, I believe that her faith is real, and I believe that she takes seriously the consequences of knowingly lying. I believe that, I mean, does she have the fake New York Times meticulously dishonest habit of, you know, elaborate corrections that don't actually explain why the story was a lie in the first place? No, she doesn't do all that nonsense. And sometimes it would be nice if she said, I'm not sure if that panned out or not. Maybe it would. But she knows what she's doing, and I don't. I'm a leah cook because...

I'm a let her cook. Because it sounds to me like you have all the same grievances as us. You have all the same priorities as us. You have all of the same... I don't want to say enemies, but a lot of the same kind of antagonists in your head as us. You agree on who the bad guys are. Turning points treated you as bad as it's treated everybody else. But there's something about Candace you just can't stomach.

And I don't believe it's her... Well, I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. You know my origin story, Milo? I don't know what it is. When I worked for these nonprofits, I got a job. doing fundraising when I was in my early 20s working for Greenpeace, the Perg groups, ACLU, etc. And I ended up moving to California and I worked for a group called Environment's California.

It is, you know, you're on the street, you're waving. You're saying, hey, come talk to me about the environment. We're going to sign you up. And what it happened was I was a nation's best fundraiser for Greenpeace, the Per Groups, is a bunch of these nonprofits. Believe it. And so my job was, I'm going to go out and I'm going to say words to you that convince you to give me your credit card in exchange for nothing.

And so... So you believe that you see the same strategies, the same tactics, the same... Identical, 100%. It's a lie. So here's why I quit. Because one day, I was on a street corner when the Deepwater Horizon accident happened. They printed out these papers and said, this is your pitch. Use this to sign people up.

And so I said, let me finish. Sorry. Sorry, sorry. So I said, awesome, let's go do it. And here I am thinking, I'm actually convincing people to do right. And I went on the street, 23-year-old me. and I signed some people up and I was at Nation's Best. You know my buddy Mark who works here also?

He was better than me. And so I'm in California and one guy goes... What was he, nation's best best? I was number five. He was number three. Okay. Yeah, pretty crazy. And so... There's a lot of those guys out on the street.

To be fair, it fluctuates. It's like one week. I was just teasing. But so this guy comes up to me and I said, hey, come over here. Let's talk about the environment, blah, blah, blah. I gave him the pitch and he goes, you're full of shit.

And then I was like, I'm sorry. And he goes, that's not how much... oil is being spilled, substantially less than there. And then I was like, this is the reporting that they give us. Did you believe that you were being told things that were directionally correct for a greater moral higher purpose?

So here's what happened. He said, you're trying to lie to me, that's fraud, screw off, and I said, okay, sorry, immediately took my old candy bar Nokia, because I'm 23, and I called the office and said, I said, hey, we got a problem. Some guy just told me that this, our pitch

is wrong. and this is not correct. Were they heartbroken and devastated and quick to rush out corrections? Oh, quite the inverse, which is what you can expect. They said, don't worry, Tim, just keep using it, it's fine. And I said, are you telling me to lie to people to convince them to give me money?

And they said, no, of course not, of course not. And so that was the end of me working in nonprofits. Well, so actually, to be fair. I do like you. My question is, I believe all of that 100%. Do you discount the possibility? that those same tactics could be used for good. I do not believe...

I do not believe the ends justify the means because we never meet the ends. If you decide to create... Yes, if you think I'm going to make a better world by deceiving the people, you're only creating a world of deceit. That's evil. No, it's fair.

And so when I look at these scumbags and the corporate press and the Uniparty, and all they do is lie to people to trick them into doing... It's tricking them into giving up their labor to them, the value they produce... The proper source of violence... value in the economy, yes.

Every single one of them vastly more dishonest than anything George has ever done. And so someone comes to me and says, we're going to topple those evil people. How? We're going to be them. I say, not interested. No, no. Well, let me ask you this. And you bring a valid point.

Hold on. We found out later those evil people weren't doing it. But they were. They're all doing it. And Candace is doing the same thing. But I think that's exactly. So she's a symptom of the same problem that you experienced when you were 23. I don't know how many years ago.

That is. I don't know how old you are. 39. So there you go. So when we look at it 16 years ago, people were implying the same exact tactics. Well, I'm not, let me tell you a little bit more. I'm not granting you that. What I'm asking is, not the deliberate, because I don't believe she does that.

But I think that- Intentional. It's not deliberate. It's intentional. Okay, so you have a bit of a difference on that. I'm, I think she's more intentional of what she says. I'm not persuadable to your position. I am persuadable to yours. Unless, like, I witness her line. I just, I find it very difficult to believe.

Let me put it like it. But when you describe, like, the, wow, I actually just got him to concede he's persuadible to my, I, I'm actually for him. Do you need a hug? Do you need a hug? Let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me say is like it sounds like it's a more complex system of persuasion, deception, manipulation that you're describing, not just tell people

to get to get to get money. It sounds like you're seeing, um, you're getting spooked, uh, by an intricate pattern that you've seen, uh, that gets people to a particular place that requires, uh, dishonesty or lies or whatever on the way. And you see the same thing with Candace. Is that, is that accurate? Say that. So it's more complicated than just,

we're going to lie to be able to get their credit cards. It seems to me that you're saying there's a schema, there are psychological tricks, there's like a whole system that I saw there that I believe Candace is using too. Not that I believe. She's using basic techniques like assumptive reasoning. It's in the book. It's 101.

Is it impossible to use those tactics for good? You say yes, because the use of them is self-disqualifying because the kind of world it creates. That is the Catholic position. You are, if you are, if you're right about that, and I'm not granting you that, because I don't believe it. But if you are right about the dishonest elements of that, then you're right. So let me, let me, hold on, hold on.

I want to explain something, right? So I'll give you, I'll give you some examples. No, not lies, but like, uh, uh, lies by omission. I think, let me, I think lies by omission are perfectly permissible. Lies by omission are permissible, which you can't do is knowingly say something that you know is not true. Or, hold on, hold on. The evil authorities come to take your stuff and you say it's not there. That's a point is this, that if you are lying by omission with the intent to

make someone draw the false conclusion. No, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying for good reasons. No, no, no. Lying by a mission for correct conclusion. Lying by a mission for correct conclusion? Yeah. So like, like, so if you, if, if you have failed in all of your attempts to persuade somebody,

they should not cut their child's penis off, right? And it gets to the stage where you think you might be able to persuade them to, to, to, to, to hold it at least if you give them a correct but incomplete picture of the facts. Is that wrong? Yes. Okay. And so... So that's...

We differ on that. Because there's other techniques in persuasion. And I don't think that's what Kenneth is doing. And rapport being one of them. Is you meet your enemies as allies. But I said if you, I said if you, you've extinguished all other options. I said that at the beginning. I think using, I think the problem is you're talking about, so I'll put it like this.

It is wrong that people are giving their kids sex changes and it is wrong in positions of authority to manipulate people to your whims. Is it is it, is it, is it, yeah, sure. So here's, is it always wrong to achieve? a goal by any means necessary. Maybe it is. No, no, I don't think so. Okay, well, now you seem to be saying the opposite. No, that's the opposite.

Well, what does Kenneth's goal? Her goal is to find out the truth about how and why Charlie Kirk was killed, and I don't believe we know that. Then she wouldn't go about it this way, because I feel like she's... How do you know that? You can't know what's in her mind. You don't know that, and let me tell you, you're speaking as if you do. No, I'm not.

Yes, you are. You've said that many times before. Milo, you know more about Charlie than she does. Oh, that's ridiculous. That's ridiculous. That's ridiculous. That's right. Do you understand?

Don't you remember how close they were? They used to, they used to go everywhere together for years. I haven't, I met Charlie three times. I'm talking about right now with the murder. I'm saying in this... I met Charlie three times. I'm not, hold on, no, no, on, on. I'm not talking about...

He drifted from her... Under pressure from the same people he said before he died. He was sick on. I am not talking about his life. I'm saying in the context of his murder, you know more than Candace does. Ridiculous. You think she knows more than you? Of course.

meant Utah time. All right. That is funny. It's funny. But it's it's funny. I'm not gonna lie. It is funny and and it does appear to be the case that maybe she had like a brain. Have you never had a brain fraud in your life? I mean, come on. No, I think she just didn't know what UTC was. She also made the claim. I don't know what mountain time is. I don't know. I don't even I'm not even exactly sure that I know what you can't. Okay. Let me let me. I'm a very small. I don't know. I don't know. UTC is universal universal. I didn't know that. Now I wouldn't have said it's Utah time. Greenwich Mean Time. Same thing. But the woke people changed it. Oh, I forgot. Yes, they stole it from the British. Let me, let me, I want to, I know what Greenwich Mean Time is. Fine, but I, I, I didn't know that name. I didn't know Tim, Tim, Tim, Tim, Tim, Tim, Tim, Tim, Tim.

I, me did not know without checking what UTC was. Okay, that's fine. So let me, let me, okay. I don't think, I wouldn't leap to saying Utah. Here's what I want to say. Here's what I want to say. Here's, here's what I want to say, right? One of the components, one of the functions of, one of the functions of, of,

our business is our memberships of our Discord server. Without it, we can't exist. And that's usually how I pitch it because it's true. One of the things they teach you when you work for these nonprofits is that urgency is key. After I left this environmental group, Jaded, I went to work for a smaller homeless shelter. And I was told as a fundraiser that their homeless shelters are at capacity. And if they can't get more money, they will have to turn people away. You want what the truth was?

They're probably empty. Completely empty. Almost people don't want to be in shelters. No, they don't. They're there because they're crazy. They want to be on the streets. It's not even, it's a variety of issues. Drug addict, crazy.

But if they wanted to live indoors in comfort with food, many of them could have a different situation. This was the final straw for me in the nonprofit sector. When I realized even the small ones are lying. So you went from a big bad guy to a little guy thinking that maybe that plucky honesty. And it turned out they were telling almost almost the worst lie. And so here's here's example. We have security threats.

What if I said, and I did this whole bit on the show the other day, I said, what if I said, Milo, we're going to be off the air this weekend. I'm going to be off the year this weekend. I've got a credible assassination threat against me from someone that may be involved with the government. If they tell you they're coming, they're not coming. And I've encountered the FBI who have confirmed this is a credible threat. You know if they tell you they're coming, they're not coming. You've heard as many conversations with the FBI as I have.

That this is a credible threat against my life. They're drama queens. Mylo, my wife is terrified. That's a different issue. The only thing that I can do. That's a different issue. The only thing that I can do to make it through. It's a different issue.

Is if people sign up at timcast.com and become members to say, we will not let you down, Tim. We stand with you. And, guys, if you don't do this, we may have to go into hiding. If you believe in the work that I do and you care about my family, and you need to go to Timcast.com and click join us. I don't do that. You don't.

No. You do not. Neither do you or anyone else. Neither do I. Sorry. You don't do that and neither do I, but every political podcast in the country does. Indeed, they do. And I'm not saying that it's a...

I call everybody out. This is the ridiculous thing. I mean, I'm British, so we don't even like to... I rag on David Pacman, Jen Cueger, Sam Cedar. We don't even like doing ad reads because we think it's like there should be a Chinese wall between ads. Ugh, grubby. I can't believe you read your own ads. And the editorial content, right?

So when I do ads, you always see me. You could see me for 10 years getting a little bit or trying to make the ads more fun or making a joke out of it, which I actually, I just did it on the show, right? You know, sort of, hmm-hmm, because for me, it's like it's completely against my nature to do it because we're taught like Chinese wall between commercial and editorial, right? So when I do it in America, I'm kind of like not sure what to do with my hands, you know? So, so that for me has always been horrifying about every political show in America. Does Candice Owens do something like that, sure? does that something like that put her in the minority or the majority makes her, I mean, it's standard operating procedure.

I don't like it, but it's standard operating. Agreed. And so this is the important thing. When people are like Tim Weirag and Candace, I had messages from people being like, you sure, attacking a lot. Although I will say this. Listen, the point is when I rag on the left all day, every day, nonstop, nobody says, oh, Tim, why are you criticizing these people?

No, I get it. I will just say you made a very specific chain kind of allegation about what she has said in relation to her subscribers that I don't personally know to be true. Like what, what? That's what everybody does. No, and Kelly did the same thing and it's just like. No, but I didn't see that and I watched her show and I didn't see.

Didn't see which one. Well, you said that she said if you don't give me money. No, no, no, no. I never said she said that. Oh, what are you saying? That's the implication behind the... What I'm saying is the delivery I gave you would be substantially more effective in raising money and it's dishonest.

Yeah, but most of them say, if you don't give me money, bad things will happen to me. She doesn't do that. I'm not saying she says that. Okay, okay, okay. I'm saying that the example I'm giving is a sense of urgency and why people need to support me. So when the delivery methods she uses...

I mean, come on, I mean, you start getting rid of that. It's like, can we even advertise? I want to... You want to get rid of urgency and advertising? No, I'm talking about... Come on, come on. I'm talking about the basics of lying through assumption, assumptive manipulation, where...

You're saying you leave people with... with the impression that if they don't sign up, that something... No, no, no, no, no. I'm not talking about her specifically. No, no, I'm just trying to understand what you're trying to say. So I'll give you an example. If I said to you, Milo, if you come on my show, I'm going to take you to the finest steakhouse

for the most delicious ribby you've ever had. Well, that's never happened. And all of the accoutrements. Yep. And then, if you do, would you come on my show? And then hold on, hon. So I make you this promise, right? Right.

Then you say, okay, I'll come. When you show up, I say, here's what I'm going to do for you, Milo. I'm going to get you dinner. Remember when I talked about dinner? I'm going to get you dinner. And then after the show, I got your hot dog.

And you say, hold on. You said a great. No, no, no, no, no, no. I never said that you assumed that I told you, I could get it for you. And when you came, I said to get you dinner. I didn't say I was taking to the Steakhouse. You assume that's your fault.

No, I see what you mean. And let me just clarify that you. you've been enormously generous and accommodating of some last minute snafoo's with me. So I don't want to imply you haven't been good to me. Not steak. Not steak, but plenty of other stuff. So I don't want to imply otherwise. I don't want to leave people the impression otherwise.

I try to be like boringly scrupulously honest with you because you're like one of four friends I have left in media. But I don't want to leave anyone with that impression. I understand that that would feel like a letdown and probably dishonest. the point I'm making is I have a viral post plug it into Candace Yes it says Candice Owens

Let me just pull it up for you I'll pull it on the show Right Because I tweeted about this When I bump into Young men And they say Candace Owens Is in hiding Because there's an assassination plot against her

And I'm like that's just That's not true Okay Developing story Candice Owens pulls her show After claiming the White House acknowledged her assassination warning She didn't pull her show

she was off for Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving is a lot longer than a week. Excuse me, a lot shorter than a week. And most people don't take a whole week off for Thanksgiving. It may have... Oh, come on. All right. Come on, Milo.

All right. Milo, Thanksgiving, maybe Thursday, Friday. We can see that. Let me know. Explain the whole week. Am I allowed to think on the spot about something and give an honest answer? I know I'm normally quick, but let me just say it. No, no.

It's okay to just say, okay. So she embellished it and she was full of shit. Okay. What if what she said about the White House was true? That they confirmed receipt? So what? She got a read on her on our Apple message? No, she said, that would be enough.

What? So why say they've confirmed receipt of the plot against me instead of being like, I've reached out to them? Because one is manipulative language. Because she got calls from the president saying stop doing this with Macron and she probably can't call them up like that anymore like she used to. So she's going through third parties. I bet you didn't get a call from the president. You know what I think happened? I think you got a spoof call.

No, no, no. I think she got a spoof call. No. I think she, I think, look, because of the people who called her prior to that, who have confirmed they did, I don't believe you. I mean, sorry, excuse me, I don't agree with you. Because people have confirmed that there were three calls in escalating seniority. And the first two people have confirmed that those calls existed.

And the, and the, I'll take it. That's fine. So I can't buy that. I can't buy that. So, you know, you confirm, you confirm what two senior White House officials. No, that's what I said. I said, please clarify that because that's what I understood. So there's an escalating seniority.

One person was not White House staff. Okay. Then the White House staff, then the president. That person and that person weren't saying that one non-white house person escalated to a white house person. We know that those calls occur. Look, we know those calls occur. Okay, that's fine. So there is a little different.

Hold on. Hold on. I can see that. This right here. See this story? It's got 192,000 likes. And this is what she's intentionally doing. If, if.

Isn't she entitled? To lie to people? No, no, no. if she believes there's a threat against her life, she's informed the White House, if she's, she's surrounded by sinister liars, and she sincerely believes whether or not, you know, you think that that's correct. Is she not entitled to say, these are my fears? Well, if it's a paranoid delusion, you've got to check yourself. Milo. She said, we are off the air this week, as an update to the White House's confirmed receipt of the assassination plot against me.

And this resulted in, as predicted for anyone who knows social engineering 101, viral stories like this, And then me bumping into three young men who say Candace Owens is in hiding because Israel's trying to kill her. Yeah, but, but Milo, let me just put it to you. People, you've been under death threat before. I was in Congress. Never taken one seriously. No, no, I did. There's actually a man in prison.

And I do understand if your wife is different. No, no, just under stalkers, which are different, sure. I understand, but just listen to this. A specific intentional. I have a man in Florida in prison for threatening and plotting to kill me and my husband. He's actually currently serving time, right? I was in Congress for 11 months. Did he threaten you before he came or was he just plunged you?

Just please stop. There we go. So there we go. If they tell you they're coming, then I'll come. My point. No, no. He was planning and had an active plan to come. But he didn't tell you he was coming because.

Yes, he did. No, he notified us. He notified us and left a voicemail with detail of how he would kill me and my husband. So hear me out on this so you understand. I was in Congress for 11 months, 11 months, short months, okay? And I was royally kicked out. But in that short period, I had over 200 death threats. that were considered serious by Capitol Police.

I never once went to social media and posted this. They advised you not to do this. No, no, they did not. They did not. I never want to put it. I know Matt Gates, Marjorie Taylor Greer. Marjorie just recently did it. Law enforcement typically advise you not to.

This is not the point. The point that I'm trying to make is when you're under death threat, you don't have time for this meandering bullshit. But that's not even the point. Don't you think you're a somewhat distinctive case that might well have produced angry reasons? angry reactions in people who believed that you've deceived your way into a governing body.

Let me make this. Wasn't he still of right? Guys, guys, guys. So you think it's okay to threaten people to kill them? No, no. Wasn't he sort of right that you shouldn't be in Congress? No. Guys, this is not the point.

I got elected. The point is this. On the basis of line. That's not true. How about this, guys? Instead of us taking off Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, or I'm sorry, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday for Thanksgiving, I announced that the threat against us has escalated and I have no choice but to go dark for the time being. I'm in contrast to the effort to the effort to the.

FBI, pray for us. And then go offline, leave for a week to go on vacation, go skiing, and get 50 million views. My phone's blowing up with... Pray for us. Pissed you off, didn't it? Why, why because... No one said pray for us. Why because... No one said pray for us. Who said pray for us? Well, Candace says it a lot. She didn't say it on her tweet. I'm saying... Maybe not on that tweet, but... Why don't I just do this? If you didn't say on the tweet, then why did you say it? So I believe that in order to see... I'm saying it because... I know, I'm just... My point. I'm being difficult, but I'm... Look... I think that in order to see what is substantially sick and wrong about Erica and turning point,

and to give Candace the benefit of the doubt and to support her, I think it requires religious discernment. I think it requires – I think it requires – do it, Kansas. Who knows what that – who knows what that Scottsdale Gold digger would say or has done? Nobody. So you're saying Candace is scared to call out Erica? I didn't say she was scared. And why won't she do it? She might have. We don't know. We don't know what the results were. don't know what's going on. What you mean? On her show, she has never explicitly insinuated

Erica, like, she's never explicitly stated. She said, insinuated yes. Well, isn't a bigger question why Erica hasn't called her? Because she said, if Erica asked me to stop, I will. Erica hasn't. That's a bigger question for me. No, it's not. Yes, it is. Of course it is. Because everything she's saying is wrong. And Erica, the CEO of Turning Point can stop it with the phone call. Why didn't she? Because she can't. Why didn't she say? Because Erica can't But think about the fallout, okay? Peter Patroff to a state, single party consent law. What is...

Call Candice. Tape it. Yep. Say, I'm calling you because you told me, with witnesses around, including people who don't like you. Candice, you said that if I call you and ask you to stop talking about my husband's death and the theories around it that you would. I'm calling to ask you to stop. Agreed. Why did you do that?

Because Candace would win, as you have stated correctly. not because she's right, but because that's the public perception. What is PR 101, my love that? What is the first thing every PR professional person, like in PR 101, what is the first thing to tell you? Yeah, don't repreat the label, obviously. But, but, okay, so what if, what if it was done privately? Because what I'm saying is, when I say,

she would then go on her show. When I say tape it, right, when I say tape it, I don't mean tape and release it. I know, I'm saying, I just mean tape it. So the thought process literally from Turning Point, and I'm telling you this as I literally, I know you've heard from directly. I know you have.

Directly, they said, when we tried addressing it, it got worse. We don't. And PR 101 is to say nothing. It got worse because they bungled it. In addition to the fact that there's no not bungling it. So you're saying she wins regardless. When you won't. Let me put it like this.

I'd like to point out. Why aren't turning point better at line? I'd like to, sweetie pumpkin, Ms. Owens. Candice Owens is inevitable, Tim Poole. Like, that's what you just said. That's what you just said. Okay, and? So get on board, boy.

Milo, let me ask you a question. Do you think that if you were in charge, let me ask you a question. If you were in charge of all communications at turning point from the moment Charlie died, do you think you would have beaten Candace in the communication sphere? No, I don't. You think that she would have maligned you and you would have. I don't know if she would have maligned me,

although we were not friends for a very long time. And maybe she... Like, you don't think you could do better than turning. Point did? No. Well, no, that's not. That's a different question. Different question. Right, it is. I could do far better than Turning Point. Knowing that the, I could do far better than Turning Point, but I think she's still one. You know what I think about Turning Point? I think there's two big things happening. I don't think anybody can be her. I think she's a, I think she is a once in a generation

media genius. I agree with that. The winning. So can I finish the point? I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I know we're talking about, but I was saying. Sorry, this is horrible for everyone. I was literally saying something. Sorry, go on. There's two things happening with Turning Point. Charlie's death meant a gigantic vacuum appeared in management, and they immediately have to figure out who's doing what. So they came up with a lie that he told his wife that she was going to be the CEO. What do you mean? She is the CEO.

Well, they came up with a lie that it was his intention she would be the CEO, and then she ascended to CEO. How's that a lie? I don't know. How's what Candace is saying a lie? We don't know, do we? Candace said that that was a lie? No, I'm saying, I'm asserting that that is a lie in the same way that you assert that things that Candace is saying is a lie.

We can't know, can we? Who said... We can't know, can't know what? Erica is the CEO. If that was Charlie's intention. Why would Charlie want to give his company to somebody else? Why would he want to give it to his wife? Because she's the next of kin and the company reverts the next of kin.

I'm sorry. Whether he wanted to happen or not, she gets it. How many times as Charlie talked about women in leadership? Stop, stop. Why would we... What husband is going to be like, my wife can't have my money in my business? Because it's his wife who, you know... Because it's next of...

He barely saw his children. Whether he wanted to happen... He barely saw his children. Whether he wanted to or not, she gets it. he clearly did not enjoy his wife's company when they are on stage together. Don't you remember... Come on, Milo.

Don't you remember her? You're making these assertions of a dead man that you cannot prove. Don't you remember her face that just telegraphed? I'm bored as hell every time he was talking on stage with her. Come on. Myla, sorry.

It's true. You were making assertions about her. Yes, my researches based on my read of what happened 100%. You're saying that Tim can't make assertions about what he believes. About Candace. No, I'm saying that Tim does not make, does not present the caveat that this is his...

But you're not presenting the caveat on Erica. Come on. Because I'm not stating it as a fact. You literally just did. You said she hated it. Okay, guys. I'm going to do some logic. I'm into some meth.

I'm in sure. I'm just a meth. Inferential reasoning. Yes. Is leading me to conclude, which is my conclusion based on inferential. And I'm okay with that. And now let me do some math.

But I believe that you are making more... I believe that the statements you make, have a higher truth standard. I think you're making absolute factual claims about Candice Owens' Interior State, which you cannot know. So I'm going to do this. What it sounds like.

When Candice tweeted, we're going off the air, as an update, the White House has confirmed receipt, right? I recognize that instantly. It's not an accident. It's called a substantive reasoning. It's a basic social engineering trick that people are taught to do. Now, I mean, I will accept. What should you have done in that circumstance?

We're off for Thanksgiving. I've, uh, hey guys, we're taking the week off for Thanksgiving. The apex of a story about how her best friend was murdered, when her whole life, when her whole life is consumed by this in a way that could very well have, it didn't, but the massively high-risk decision that she made to turn her entire media career into a crusade to discover Charlie's... You're right. From this point forward, I am going to be a Thesbian. All of my stories will be conveyed through. the dramatic and insincere. Can I write for you?

Can I just write the episodes for you? I can't believe. I can't believe. I can't believe, first of all, I cannot believe that Tim Paul just alluded to me as theatrical and insincere and I would like... I'm talking about Candace.

Oh, okay. And to be fair, Milo, you're definitely sincere, but you're also theatrical. Come on. My point is... You know what I'll stop doing... I heard you love you.

You know what I will accept? Shame no one's going to hear it. I will accept this. The world that I want to live in doesn't exist. Every major corporation, every major personality, and anyone who wishes they had the talent would do it in two seconds, and I have the talent, and I refuse to do it because I'm a fucking idiot. So I say, let's go, baby.

I will lie, cheat, and steal all the way to the top. Stop it. Two things. There's, oh, it doesn't work. It doesn't really. Oh, but I tried it. There's a difference. I tried it.

Listen, don't do it, too. Let me tell you. From George Santos to Malianopolis, this ain't your thing. I'm not. No, no, no, no, you are wrong. As I already pointed out, I was a nation's best fundraiser for a bunch of the top. You could have done it. You could do it now.

Just like you, okay, I want to. The point is. No, no, hang on, hang on. I want to know from Phil. That was a bit of an escalation, that joke. I apologize, that was a bit too much. Oh, I don't take it. Oh, no, we love it.

We're clipping it and I'm promoting it. That way. It's going to go at the very beginning of the next, all that remains record. No, because I already, it's hot. All right. Boom, boom, boom. Oh, I'm sorry. When you said that's a hard act of follow, I thought to myself one turn.

Don't you only warm up for people? I have a question. Surely, you've never had that experience. I want to you guys, no, but, but, but, but, um, uh, are you going to say I'm sorry? Can I hear you say I'm sorry? Hell no. But, but, um, uh, tell me what does dark Tim look like? Dark Tim?

What is, what is, what is, what is, what is dark Tim Paul look like? Is he just kind of like painted a little picture of himself? I've done it on the show before. I did it, I did it yesterday morning. Did you? Yeah. Basically, I mean, it's... Oh, bro.

You want to see me cry in command? Yes. I think we can... I absolutely can just fucking... I'd win an Oscar. What do you do? Your conjure a sad? I've never seen a crap.

Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. Oh, yeah. I don't cry, right? And so I told this story, I think it was yesterday and morning or the day before. Is there something you can produce... Actually, does it? I wouldn't say it's right here.

I can literally just... I can't do that, but I will tell you this. You can't cry in command? That's why you never... You were never a politician. Let me tell you a story. Can I tell you a story? I will tell you.

I get my book of pictures of Troy out, and I am in floods of tears weeping, so I can't do what you scary, sinister motherfuckers can do. Let me do this to you, George. Please. I have to conjure something really hurtful, you know. My most proud sales that I've ever done for a homeless shelter resulted in a woman crying in front of me on the street,

and she gave $700 per month because she wanted to help. Homeless people would not be. So I did the same kind of not at the same kind, Not at the same level. So here was my pitch. But yeah. George, George was in Hermes.

My pitch was this. My pitch. George, I'm going to convince you. I'm going to turn the theatrics. So they give us a script and everybody knows it. You stand on the balls of your feet. You keep your arms wide and you say, hey, you want to talk about the homeless problem in this city? We need your help.

Something like that, right? Well, that doesn't work, does it? So what I did because I was one of the best. and anybody who's good at this and good at sales knows these stupid scripts don't work. So what I did was... But mostly the way idiots and not people like you. Indeed. So what they tell the entry level people who don't have the talent,

ask everyone and read this verbatim and you will get two people to sign up. Well, I was doing like 10 people every couple of hours. So I see a woman walking towards me. She's older. And I'm on the bottom of my feet. I'm holding my clipboard and I wave to her. And she gets close to say, hey, would you like to talk to me about the homeless crisis and how you can help. And she goes, sure, what's going on? I said, well, first of all,

my name is Tim, and I work with insert shelter. Now, every, every, every, I'm sorry, I can't do this. That fast, right into it. I can't do it. They give us this script we're supposed to read. And I'm trying really, really hard. You're frightening. Listen, ma'am, you know there's a homeless problem in this city. I mean, Los Angeles is the homeless capital of the developed world. And you're You've seen it, right? And she goes, yes. And I say, okay, I am out here because every day when I walk to work, I see people sleeping under bridges. I see people sleeping on the sidewalk. And I see politicians who don't care. But you stop to talk to me because I think you do care. I want you to do something for me. I want you to close your eyes. Close your eyes. I want you to imagine what it's like to sleep under a bridge. I want you to imagine what it's like, you're cold, and the worst thing is, you know, nobody cares. They walk by you. They have disdain for you, they insult you.

It's not your fault. It's not your fault, but they don't listen. No one loves you. Open your eyes. You look up, and in the sunlight you see a hand to reach out, and you hear a voice say, I care, I love you. for the first time, in a long time, someone actually tells you that they care about you.

And you take their hand and they lift you up and this is where it gets better. I want you to be that hand right now. Will you do that? Will you be the person who finally says, I care? And she started crying.

I mean, you're frightening me. I'm the one. I'm like, what the... You're the most frightening person I've ever heard. I just saw you, you would get an Oscar, but in Germany this wouldn't work because we're all very... Because you're cold, but you're very cold-blooded in Germany.

This is true. No, no, that was frightening because, and you know why it was frightening? I've heard that from so many pulpits by so, by so many preachers, because that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, and the, and the funniest. I can actually. And these people, these people build, these people build churches of tens of thousands of people. Yeah, I don't do it. I don't, I don't come on the show and I don't cry to the camera and tell people to give me money. That was really good, by the way.

Timothy, you are frightening. That was very, very good. And this is why I would. I would You know, you want to hear with me and my buddy? It's funny because Mark is probably here somewhere too

and we would go out with these nonprofits and they would expect within eight hours you could sign up two people me, Mark and another one of our friends would go out for 15 minutes

sign up the people at the quota and then go home then we'd be like what time we've got to be back at work to check in and then we'd be playing GTA and we take the train back to work be like yeah you know

we got two today that's quota and we took us 15 minutes to do and you know the frightening thing about it is it hits people with the best hearts the hardest. Indeed. And this is why... Let me tell you one thing.

I would have laughed that off when I was gay. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Because I mean, maybe... I think I would pitch you to that if I saw you in West Hollywood? No, but I'm saying, I'm saying since I have... Since I care what happens to me now, spiritually, I've started to care what happens for the people

in a way that opens me up to that kind of manipulation. I feel it now. I wouldn't have felt that five years ago. So the first... The first thing you understand in psychological manipulation, social engineering is reports, the most important thing. I get that you wouldn't do that with me because I'm ridiculous-looking, but- And so I would approach you and I would try to, as soon as I see you walking, I would start to imitate your mannerisms. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I would hear how you talk and I would such a talk like you.

Fucking terrifying to me. And, and, you know, for a while, I thought. Wasn't that a lot? I was a very, wasn't it? I mean, I didn't say, I didn't get there, but if he kept going, I would have got there. And I got to say it reminds me of Candace. It does. It's Candace's playbook.

You're not wrong. She's right. The correlation is the... She would be losing. If she did not have a predominantly female and extremely feminized audience, it's true. Somebody that I respect way more than Candice besides both of you here, especially because you just shot what you're capable of, which apparently he's not using for a good reason, is Tucker Carlton. I appreciate a lot when he's...

Did you imagine? He's friends with... I would like to retract my earlier statements that I was mad that you did. did not give me the chance to date you. But what, wait, wait, are you saying Tucker's bad? I still love you. Wait, wait, are you saying Tucker's bad? Is that, is that your opinion?

Yeah, she is. So I'm just gonna do this from now on. I'm going to the restaurant. Oh, actually, we're wrapping up. I'm going to the restroom. We're gonna wrap up now. Oh, I'm sorry. I know we didn't get to Super chats guys,

but this was kind of a therapy session. And it was a very important show for me and for you and you're fucking frightening. But you know people talk so much shit about this guy, but the fact that you're not doing that when you could is people will have noticed that. I will say this. I did start watching your podcast over the last year.

I was not a listener. And I've come to like a lot of your platform and the guests and the conversations you have. I love that. I was so excited to talk about airplanes today. And I was so excited to talk about Supreme Court. Hold on, Milo. You hogged up all the fucking air.

Relax. I guess that's the question in the pre-show about who is going to dominate the show now, don't it? So that's fine. At least I got the green room. bit because Jesus, but my point is, I appreciate it, never duplicated, the OG, the queen,

that bitch won't shut up. Thank you for giving me the crown because this ain't never coming on. Okay, great. Your paper crowns very deserved. So, my point is, I just want to say thank you for your candor because what you just displayed is what you could be doing and you choose every single day to come on here.

Really frightening. Not do it, right? Which takes a lot more. And trust me, as somebody who's been the king of bullshit at one point myself and I have the wherewithal to say I have the wherewithal to sit here and tell you that I appreciate you for being an honest broker when so many people are choosing dishonesty so many people are choosing sensationalism and so many people are fracturing the base that we need to keep unified more so now than ever before I'm not saying it's the most consequential election I just want to say Tim thank you literally thank you and I know I say that on behalf of all I've always seen

in him people said Tim pool really I'm like I'm taking I'm telling you, I'm telling you, I'm telling you. You could be Candace Owens and you're not. Because people talk mad shit about you. Well, I could. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. That's my, that's my go. Thank you for that.

I could have, uh, I feel the same way. I feel the same way. But you know what I was happening to? Every word I just said. You heard that, right? Well, my own original idea that you must have seen on my phone and repeated then was, yeah. Yeah, sure.

Okay. I kind of already said, but anyway. No, thank you for that. It was well expressed and correct. There you can have that. Ladies and gentlemen, Let's do final thoughts wrap up and... You're uncomfortable with compliments, aren't you?

No, no, no, no. I want to make sure everybody can shut everything out because we're over. Are you really not? I think you are. Uncoverable compliments? No, it's the moment after, if you keep looking at him, he's like, do you want something from me?

Like, walk away, dude, give me the compliment. Everybody, I apologize that we didn't get to chats and rants and all that stuff. But the point is, when it got into the... When Milo and I started having this conversation, it actually, the cameras melted away. We changed it. And I hope people listened to what we...

we said. I think it was a very important conversation. What has changed is that two people going at each other's throats on the internet, I now see as two well-intentioned people talking past each other, maybe with different visions of how to go, maybe with incorrect ideas about one another. But I think you are a profoundly good person, a man of good moral character. I believe that she is a woman of good moral character. So that's what we've We've turned, in a way, it's an evolution from a conflict to a tragedy in a way. When they came for you and they canceled you, I, it didn't, the words of these people mean nothing to me.

I knew who you are. I knew you represented. Sometimes I've had some criticisms. Sometimes I think you've done great. I think you've largely done great. And we brought you on the show because I don't care what anyone else thinks. We bring on the people that we think have something to say in our point. He did it when it wasn't easy.

Not. I don't want to shit on any. I don't want to shit on anybody who's done it recently, but he did it when it wasn't easy. So my friend, smash the like button, share the show with everyone you know. You can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast. How about that?

Where can people find you or follow you? You can find me on Twitter. It's at Negro, but the G is silent. Oh my God. You act like you're surprised when he does this up. I'm sitting here thinking I'm going to get fucking canceled with this lunatic and I love him. I'm sorry, I am sorry.

I am terribly sorry. What the fuck? I've never been canceled Okay, you went to prison You went to jail! I know, but I wasn't socially canceled. From society. I went to president and I still came out unc canceled.

By lawyers, there was no jury. By the jurist prejudiced, no jury. Fine by a slumbering oxygenarian who claimed never go out of the Beatles. You are canceled from human civilizations. Milo, do you do, are anywhere else, aside from Twitter whether you are at Nero? No, I'm bad for everything else.

Okay. George. George. George, Canceils on Twitter. I'm just going to keep this very simple. Um, just got his handle. He, if you, I just got my handle because, it's not fake if you see it. They, they did the whole handle, uh, thing and it worked.

I got George Santos, so it's pretty cool. Um, I do want to say, Milo, I love you. I love you. I disagree with fundamentally most of what you said today. And that's okay. Tim, thank you for having me. And I'm going to invite your party and a lot of people aren't. Shameless plug.

Oh, my. I expect to see Tim there, but. You were invited. You just missed it. Um, a lot of people are not invited to George. Anyway, real quick, December 9th, I'll be hosting the first. of what will be a tradition of Santos Claus in DC. And lastly, I do want to say,

don't forget to go on Cameo.com and book your Christmas cameo because they are going fast. I will say this. I can't imagine anybody that would be more of a delight for literally anyone, literally anyone, than cameo from George Santos. Like, you're exactly that person. Hey, Tim just started cameo.

I mean, he likes it. I'm even, I'm even, too. Well, I got one. That's good. We should book Tim Paul on cameo. I'm even tempted. I'm even tempted. to book you for a few friends of mine,

but just, you know, because I don't like getting freebies from friends, you know. Fine, please do book it. I will take your money. All right, oh, I know you will. We gotta get the shoutouts through. Naomi. Naomi, allow me.

She's at Naomi Saiped on Twitter, which will need to be, sorry? This is absolutely correct, yes. Which will need to be on the screen in order for you to be able to spell it, so there's no point me telling you because you won't remember. S E-I-B-T, so you can't remember that. It's Naomi that Emily Bell problems.

She is, despite her terrible opinions, is still one of the prettiest girls in politics. Thank you so much. I think I have a lot of great opinions that you actually agree with. And I have been in... I'm sorry we didn't hear any of those. So nothing can damage myself in the foreseeable future. I'm gonna be honest with you, like, you were one of those like three or four women where I was like, if only this was going a bit faster, like, you know, like, if only this next gay thing was happening a bit faster, I'd be like, I would totally scoop that up.

So, so, you know, you can take that with you to the bank. Hey guys, good convoy. And I, the semantic misinterpretations I thought where it was like the difference between spread spreading misinformation and actively lying when you know it's misinformation is very different. And once you get become a tool for that machine and spread false information and you realize it's happening to you, I understand why you're sensitive to seeing other people, potentially spreading false information. Whether they're lying or not, I don't know.

But I really appreciate you guys all coming in here and talking about this. Where can they find you? At Ian Crossland. And I think a lot of people are an emotional static shock from Charlie's death. it is it's not going to it didn't resolve itself in six months so keep that in mind with this I am Phil

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