Timcast IRL - NBA Games RIGGED, 34 Indictments, Democrat Calls It TRUMP'S REVENGE w/ George Santos

Episode Date: October 24, 2025

Tim, Libby, Tate, & Elaad are joined by George Santos to discuss the FBI exposing a massive gambling scandal with the NBA, Stephen A. Smith slamming Trump over the FBI's NBA Investigation, and the Maf...ia being listed as one of the perpetrators involved in the NBA gambling scandal.   Hosts:  Tim @Timcast (everywhere) Libby @LibbyEmmons (X) Elaad @ElaadEliahu (X) Mary @PopCultureCrisis (everywhere) Tate @RealTateBrown (everywhere) Serge @SergeDotCom (everywhere) Guest: George Santos @MrSantosNY (X)

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Starting point is 00:00:00 The NBA is rigged, is anybody surprised. I don't know if the whole thing is rigged, but there's this massive scandal. 34 indictments, professional players getting wrapped up in not just rigging games and flubbing the ball, but also mafia-tied illegal poker games. And so, you know, we actually, before the show is getting started, does anyone here actually know anything about sports? Fortunately, Tate does. So he's sitting here and we're going to have it.
Starting point is 00:00:38 But this is a crazy story. Stephen A. Smith says this is Trump's revenge. Despite the fact the investigation has been going on for several years and started during the Biden administration, Democrats are still trying to find a way to make this Trump's fault that professional coaches and NBA players were ripping people off with illegal rigged poker games and rigging actual NBA basketball games. Okay, that's how you know people have lost their mind. So let's talk about something kind of normal for once, like the NBA being rigged, which I think most people already assumed. So we're going to talk about that and a lot more.
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Starting point is 00:04:06 I guess it's you. Can the real George Santos stand up? Well, you were in jail. You're not in jail anymore. Thanks to President Trump. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I think everybody knows who you are, but... Do they, though? Well, then introduce yourself.
Starting point is 00:04:20 Well, no, it's great to be here with you. I was actually listening to you. about the meat sponsor and I'm just like oh wow like this is something I know really well about so I was like you're ordering meat no it's it's it's good to be here it really is I'm speechless oh my god who is a real George Santos I guess to some Americans the biggest liar in Congress which I think is hilarious because that's such a high bar and for me to reach that I think that is absolutely that's impressive she can award for it Yeah, I should because it's, it's, it would be a fraud of an award because nobody really wants to take it.
Starting point is 00:05:00 But, hey, I'll take the award. I like shiny things on my wall. But, um, no, look, I just, I think I embodied, unfortunately, the, the worst way of doing things, which is like, fake it until you make it. Um, and that's just not something I condone, but I, I did engage in it. Alad would, like, you would, you would agree with that, right? It's fascinating. Yeah. You did it to the top.
Starting point is 00:05:19 Yeah, which is, you shouldn't because then I went to prison and, you know, fresh out of prison. 84 days in prison really humbles you. Especially solitary. 41 of those in solitary confinement, which you would think in the United States of America, we would have already, you know, stopped doing that and really, really, it's an abominal practice. And if they can do it to me, imagine what they can do
Starting point is 00:05:44 to like Joe Schmo, like no, I'm a privileged person, right? I know members of Congress. I know members of the Trump family. And if they can do it to somebody like me who's, like, quote, connected, Imagine what they do to, like, random inmates. If the, if the, I don't know, I'm going to call shenanians. Anyway, Libby's here.
Starting point is 00:06:01 I'm Libby, and I'm here. I'm Libby Emmons at the Post-Mennel. Glad to be here with everybody and human events. Can't forget human events. Glad to be here with everybody. Right on. And Tate's here, too, because we don't know anything about sports. It's true.
Starting point is 00:06:13 I'm a bread and circuses, an enjoyer, I would say. Tate Brown here, holding it down. I am a George Santos nationalist. So these, whatever stunt, whatever stunt Google's polling right now, We're on them. We're on their case. We know what's going on. Restarting it appeared to have worked. Sweet. People are saying it's working again. So welcome to the show. Perfect. Let's, I guess we're jumping straight to the news, right?
Starting point is 00:06:33 Here we go from you today. Oh, man. I, guys, I love this story because it combines a ton of what I love. Cyber security, mafia, dark side, politics, and poker. We got it all. From music today, NBA gambling scandal, live updates. Chauncey Billups, how do you pronounce is Terry Rottcier? Terry Rozier. Rozier. I don't even know to say his name. Bro, you can say, his nickname is Scary Terry, so you can just call him Scary Terry.
Starting point is 00:06:58 I guarantee you that the amount of people who know how to say, how do you say the name, Rojier. Rozier. Dude, even the prosecutor couldn't say it. But there's tons of people who do, but those people also are going to be like, who's Tim Burchett? You know what I mean? Sure. And then we here are going to be like, well, of course we know Tim. Like, we are all in the political space.
Starting point is 00:07:16 Can you summarize what happened? Because you know sports. Yeah, yeah. Well, so there's two indictments. Obviously, there's the poker side, the illegal poker games, and that's what Chauncey Billups was indicted on. They were saying he was the face card. That's what they called it in the indictment. So he was the celebrity presence at the poker table to draw people into these games.
Starting point is 00:07:35 And then the other indictment was basically match fixing. They were saying with the sports betting that the players were feeding information to bookies or to anybody that would be wanting to place a bet, and they would use that information to their advantage. So Terry Rozier was the prominent player name. tier. They're calling him a superstar, which is really a bit of an overstatement. He was a backup at the Boston Celtics, started playing really well. I think he held down the starting gig for like a year or two. And then he signed a huge contract with the Charlotte Hornets. So that's what everyone's kind of scratching their heads here is because he's made
Starting point is 00:08:08 about $160 million over his career so far. He's only 31, so we still got four or five years left in the league. And so, I mean, that's the big thing everyone's kind of looking at is like, these guys, you know, they're not short on cash. So why would they need to go into business, presumably with the mob. That's what's being, you know, obviously speculated here. But yeah, so there's two prongs to this criminal enterprise that are currently being investigated by the FBI. There's, we have that video of Terry Rozier. Is that his name is? Terry Rozier, yeah. Rozier. Oh, is this right here? No, wait, that's not it. And it's absolutely hilarious.
Starting point is 00:08:41 I'm pulling it up right now. And this is from one game. Anybody who doesn't play basketball? Let me start this over. Just watch. That was the most obvious. I'm having a tough night. Rosier off the DHO. Roseir. Turn it up, but you don't want to play you too much.
Starting point is 00:09:08 I don't play basketball, but that's really bad. But in your volleyball experience? Oh, yeah, no. Yeah, no, like, yeah, that's really bad. But I can play volleyball better than they play back. Okay, so it's the second one. This one right here. This is the most obvious because he starts running the other way
Starting point is 00:09:27 as soon as he throws the ball. Like, what's he doing? What was he trying to fake? There's nothing there. I mean, look, I held down the backup point guard position for, I don't want to say the team. And I'd never made mistakes like that. And this was, you know, varsity basketball.
Starting point is 00:09:45 We're not talking at high level. This is what you see at a lifetime fitness at like 6 p.m. Like a drunk, like a drunk guy. No, no, no, no. He's going through a divorce. You know, it's not looking good for him. You're not a lifetime, no. You know, Lifetime's a great institution.
Starting point is 00:10:00 Lifetime's a great institution, but you're not going to get the most high quality basketball there. This guy, you know, he's going through like a divorce or something. That's the kind of pass he throws. You don't expect that pass from the starting point guard of the Miami Heat. Three times in one game. What? Right.
Starting point is 00:10:15 That's what I'm saying. What? I'm surprised this stuff isn't more common, frankly. Well, there's been other players that have been. speculated because they just have abhorrent games out of nowhere. Like, they'll, like, they're making very sloppy mistakes. Malik Beasley is this famous example that people look into and they say he was throwing matches. Terry Ruggier, if you go back, there's people that were tweeting after this game specifically
Starting point is 00:10:37 saying, like, holy crap, dude, if you're going to like match fix, you need to make it a little less obvious. Yeah, there are viral tweets where people are saying they need to also investigate a ton of other people who ended up getting indicted as well. Yeah, yeah. Well, they have that issue in soccer. a lot, right? Soccer players throw games all the time. Brazil. They throw themselves on the
Starting point is 00:10:55 ground. They're just like, hey, you're not to be down. But the thing about soccer today, it's like you'll see like Neymar in Brazil, number one offender of like acting. You'll see like a kick go near him. He takes the advantage and throws himself on the floor. Then you'll have that slow motion zoom in every angle possible. And he's like a foot away from the kick. But he's still on the floor rolling. Like did a phantom kick? Like, dude, it's like they throw themselves like they fake injure to get out of the game.
Starting point is 00:11:21 And I don't understand how they let him get away with it. And he makes $400 million. $400? That's his contract, yeah. That's crazy. For how many years, though? I think it's like whenever they sign and buy these soccer players, they're traded for a lot more money than NBA players. You can say like one year at $400 million.
Starting point is 00:11:37 That's, that's, there's no way. It's true. American athletes, are you kidding? Oh, my God. One year, $400 million. I'm not going to put money on one year, but your contracts are insane. That's more than the GDP of several small island nations. Very true.
Starting point is 00:11:50 Haiti who? that's well i think i might be worth more than yeah i think me you know he can probably feed Haiti actually feed Haiti true you know not like the clinton's fed Haiti no I can throw some mud and some wheat together you know I can make it happen I can make some cookies for you but the most egregious the most egregious indictment was john say porter who was actually banned from the NBA he played for the Toronto Raptors and they they busted him because he I guess tipped off the bookies that he was going to be injured for the game and someone put an $800,000 bet down to be out for the game and it's just one of those things that's like look I know NBA players
Starting point is 00:12:29 aren't known for like their financial wisdom you know they're not really tuning into Dave Ramsey but like 800 like what are we doing well there was wasn't it they said one of the best players on for LA sent it sent a text to another person saying hey one of our players is injured go bet on the other team yeah it was a I think it was on the cabs there was a player who was saying, hey, LeBron's going to be injured, then I... Yeah, right. Yeah, and then, of course, LeBron is like, thanks a lot. Now I'm in my name's everywhere.
Starting point is 00:12:57 Yeah, right. I mean, who knows what's going there. Well, imagine you're saying, hey, go bet on the other team because we're down, you know, LeBron. Yeah, well, because Pete Rose went down because he was betting on himself. Last time I checked, every teacher told me to bet on myself. Yeah, but the problem... Hey, I bet on myself.
Starting point is 00:13:11 It's not a good idea. Don't do it. Pete Rose never bet on himself to lose. Right. These guys are betting on themselves to lose. And that's really unconscionable. I think they should be encouraged to bet on themselves. Yeah, wait, wait, wait, you're not allowed to bet on yourself to win?
Starting point is 00:13:23 Yeah. No, you're not allowed to bet on yourself to win at all. Weren't you saying also you're not allowed to bet at all? Well, you know what? Right, you're not supposed to. You're not supposed to be betting at all if you're a player. That's true, but, you know, I shouldn't be betting at all. Let's just stop there.
Starting point is 00:13:35 I wish Pollymark would have had open, uh, will George Santos get expelled market at the time? I would have bet on yes. Fuck yeah. I was getting, oh, man. Wait, wait, wait, hold on. Is there any, are there any rules against that for, uh, polymarket? At this point, I don't care. Do you really think I cared at that point?
Starting point is 00:13:53 I was getting fired. I did care once upon a time. It was crazy, though, because Mike Johnson told everyone to bet their conscience, which I thought was absolutely ridiculous. Which I literally... Not their conscience? No, not bet. To hold their conscience.
Starting point is 00:14:06 Which I really had issues with those words, because I called him. I'm like, okay, I just voted my conscience in rally, helping rally the caucus to make you speaker. And that's how you, like, I talk about this a lot. I love Matt Gates. He was so giddy about firing the speaker at the time, McCarthy. You can tell. And I looked at him that night because we left and went to my office.
Starting point is 00:14:28 And I said, you know, I'm glad you're happy. You accomplished what you sought out to do, but you do know I'm getting fired next. So to me, I wish we would have been speakerless a little longer so I could make my one year mark. But, you know, it is what it is. Yeah, I'm pretty sure like every major sport is rigged. Isn't the NFL rigged? Remember, it was a couple of years ago. You guys know better than me because I'm not a sports ball guy.
Starting point is 00:14:52 But Ravens, it was the Ravens versus some other team. And there are a bunch of videos going viral of like the guys were intentionally not tackling the other teams quarterback and stuff. Well, at the expense of getting canceled forever, I mean, that explains four Super Bowls for the Buffaloes. For the bills. I mean, in a row and not winning. I'll just look at a take because I don't even know what those words mean. No, it's true. Like, you know how the losing team, they have all their Super Bowl winner championship merch already.
Starting point is 00:15:17 print it so they can be ready to go. Yeah. The bills lost like four Super Bowls in the 90s. In a row. Right. So it's like I think kids in Africa probably think the bills are like a dynasty. Oh, these guys are good. Or Mexico like, you know, campaign merch goes to Mexico. It's true. Oh, really? That's why you see like all these Obama t-shirts and were coming up. Remember when Laura Lumer did it? Like, you're wearing Obama merch. I'm like, yeah, because that's where it's like, America loves female presidents. Be fair. They did have shirts that Biden, please let us in, though. That was a viral thing they were doing. Well, that was just organized. NGOs funding that just, you know, just to, I guess, troll us at that point.
Starting point is 00:15:51 They also had Thank You Biden shirts. They did. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. Those were NGOs funding that with some of the USAID, yeah. And you know, it's almost feels like it's pro-Trump. Like, let's get a bunch of people, like photos of illegal immigrants saying, thank you Biden.
Starting point is 00:16:06 I mean, it worked, didn't it? Really hurt his campaign. Hey, you know what? It was in 2020. This was 2020. Yeah. Wow. I guess it worked for him.
Starting point is 00:16:13 Yeah. I mean, it. Everything's fake. Can we just, can we just all. agree everything's fake and gay? It certainly feels, you know, there's been in America, there's been this sort of reorientation of the American sports fan towards college sports
Starting point is 00:16:25 and I think it's because they view it as like a more raw, purified version of sport because at the pro level there's just so much shenanigans going. Even there's like been scandals with refs where, for example, in soccer, the refs are actually typically the ones getting busted for match fixing. Oh yeah. And even in American sports, there's been
Starting point is 00:16:41 a few probes into various refs in NBA specifically. We're in FIFA has a lot of issues with refs that get paid to call the worst the worst freaking card. FIFA wouldn't take a bribe. Oh, I think baseball's fixed. Yeah. Because we went and saw the the Nats versus the socks
Starting point is 00:16:58 and there were several blatantly bad calls by the ump that everyone was confused by and everyone's booing. And I'm just in there thinking like, look, if you want to maximize the amount of games you play to sell more tickets, to sell more hot dogs, you need to control the outcome
Starting point is 00:17:15 of the game. And there's There's tens of millions and hundreds of millions of dollars in the line for a lot of these games. Why wouldn't they just say, hey, just let them win this one, you know, however you can. And you can't absolutely control the outcome, but you can, you know, change the direction of your sales, as it were. I mean, umps are not the funnest people. And have you seen a Little League game? They make the worst calls. It's like that type of phenotype either becomes Little League ump or like HOA balls.
Starting point is 00:17:41 Like one of those two. That's how it always goes. That's the male care inversion in suburban America. Eric. It's very true. Another thing you'll notice in the NBA, specifically, is the players are very well aware of the money line. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:54 So when they're coming down to the wire, typically if you're down like six or eight points, you're going to be shooting because you're like, I don't know, maybe we hit two or three threes back to back with 10 seconds to go. Like Reggie Miller's done it before. But now if they're right at the money line, right under the money line, they will not take any shots in the last like 30 seconds because they don't want to tick over and ruin bets or presumably their friends at best. That'd be the most crucial.
Starting point is 00:18:13 And this is like pretty wide in the open. Let's jump to this story from Timcast News. Trump is coming. Stephen A. Smith suggests today's FBI press conference announcing widespread arrests submit their investigation into illegal gambling was politically motivated and timed to negatively impact the NBA. Because we all know Trump's biggest enemy and rival this whole time has been the NBA, I guess. But the Democrats are always going to find some reason to make it about Trump. How many times for one incident after another?
Starting point is 00:18:46 have I said Trump is coming he's coming I'm going to say it on national television again bad bunny is performing at the Super Bowl and all of a sudden you hearing ICE
Starting point is 00:19:00 is going to be there looking to engage in mass deportations the Super Bowl disrupting things big night for the NBA when Bejana put on the show that has now been smeared because we're talking about this story
Starting point is 00:19:16 okay remember trump has a long long history connected to the world of sports because he had those casinos where do you think folks will come in half the time i'm not talking about individuals i'm talking about the culture when people want to want to go to a casino when people want to gamble when people want to party whatever the case may be this is his kind of connection to that why am i glad you're here monica because don't be surprised that the w nba is next on his list because when you've got all of these protests that have been going out. Okay, okay. 20 bucks.
Starting point is 00:19:50 This is where Stephen A. Smith jumps the shark. He was viewed by many as a moderate Democrat personality. Maybe he could fix the orientation of the Democratic Party. But now he's doing exactly what everyone expects of Democrats. A bad thing happened. Trump did it, I guess. But they're just beyond rescue at this point. I mean, the Democrats are beyond rescue.
Starting point is 00:20:13 if you think this idiot's going to rescue the Democrat Party, good. It's like, please put all your chips on this idiot who's a tool. And Trump's coming. Like, I almost feel like, you better watch out. You better not shout out. Like, what the hell? He's literally the boogeyman to them. But what they totally forget is that.
Starting point is 00:20:32 Sorry, I stubbed my toe earlier and it was Trump. I'm sure it was Trump. Yeah. It was Trump because it rhymes with bump and you stubbed your toe. I was watching. I wasn't paying attention to where I was going because I was watching a video of Trump. I made so angry. I mean, the thing is, though, Trump loves a bread and circus, right?
Starting point is 00:20:47 I mean, he loves a big spectacle. He likes big sporting events because everyone goes and looks at them and then they're happy. I mean, that's what, you know, that's like a big part of he's like a, he's like a little bit Roman in that respect. He's going to build a giant arch. He's building a ballroom, you know. He likes big giant things for everybody. He's destroying the White House according to them. Well, you know, I saw a tweet.
Starting point is 00:21:07 Well, the whole East Wing's gone now, right? I didn't, yeah, that used the, that little section. No, no, no, no, no, no, not the low section. That whole East Wing. I really hope. Well, they're going to replace it with something way better. I really hope he just names it the Trump annex. I mean, I really do because I wanted to live enshrined in the minds of every Democrat that will ever come after Trump.
Starting point is 00:21:30 There is the Trump annex to the White House. I saw a tweet and I did not look into it, but it said that Bernie Sanders and Nancy Pelosi are both older than the East Wing that was just abolished. Yeah. So, I mean, come on. Like, it's really, it's not that historic. Plus, every single president comes in and makes all kinds of changes. Rosgarne, the pool. He made all kinds of changes.
Starting point is 00:21:50 He put in, like, a basketball court and moved tennis courts to somewhere else. They all come in and make changes. He removed the tennis court. Right. But that's part of it is, like, you're a steward of the White House. You make it better for the time that you're there, you know, like make it better for, for history. And I hope that Donald Trump does put up that giant arch in Washington, D.C. and I hope that it's gold.
Starting point is 00:22:12 I hope that the White House extension is gold. Yeah, make it all gold. Gold and pink marble. Trump Tower. Kind of like what Stephen A is talking. I mean, Trump loves a spectacle because he goes big. That's why he embodies America so well. Because Americans, I love this description of Americans
Starting point is 00:22:29 is that we're all just temporarily embarrassed millionaires. And that's why he's relatable. People relate more with Donald Trump than like, you know, like when the Sanis puts on cowboy boots or whatever. It's like, no, I love that guy because he's rich and famous. and those, like, famous people and is awesome. It's like, yeah, that's why we like them. And, like, for the record, the World Cup's coming to the United States.
Starting point is 00:22:46 That's because of Donald Trump. Yeah. Because he wants everything here. He wants America to be number one. And it's like, yeah, make the world come here and watch. He's an entertainer. That's why he became president. And that's why people love him.
Starting point is 00:22:57 And I know at the risk of getting in trouble. And that's why he's won three presidential elections. George, did you have any correspondence with him while you were locked up? Oh, sure. You know, I called him on a cell. It was really cool about. I don't know letters because I know there are people. People lobbying on your behalf, like,
Starting point is 00:23:12 George, Taylor Green. I wish. I wanted to be the president getting like a call. Can you imagine this call is from a federal correction facility to accept this call for us five? It's a white out of course. Talking about pardoning ditty, so I mean, why would that be out of us? Did you know he was going to commit your sentence? I did not.
Starting point is 00:23:27 So it's wild. I mean, look, you're right. A lot of people did advocate. I have a lot of friends who went to bat. It didn't feel like that many, like Marjorie Taylor Green. It was a lot. Of elected officials. I mean, of elected officials, there was a lot of them behind the scenes because it's,
Starting point is 00:23:40 It's politics. So people do, you know, take precautions. But of the ones who are very public about it, I mean, you have Marginne Filler Green, you have Tim Burchett, you have Lauren Bober, Anna Paulina Luna. And then you also have people like Rick Rinell and Alice Johnson. And then you have Matt Gates, who's a former congressman. So, like, there was a lot of people in the front line, but way more in the, you know, back end.
Starting point is 00:24:06 But it was like an effort, but really my family, my spouse, my sister. My attorney was absolutely, like, relentless. I mean, if you all need an attorney, get my attorney. He goes to bat for you. But most importantly, he's like, I didn't know. I was actually filling out my commissary sheet for the week. And then it came on the TV, and that's how I found out on TV. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:26 On MSNBC of all places. Were you in solitary or were you with other people? Oh, no, no. I had just been released from solitary a couple of days before and reintegrated into the kid. Can everybody just like look at you? No, they started screaming, like, bring him here. That SOB's been holding out on us.
Starting point is 00:24:40 I'm over here. I'm like, oh, my God, what's going on? I'm like, and I look at MSNBC. Kairon said something along, like, disgrace New York Republican George Santos coming out of jail. Trump commuted his sentence. I'm like, MSNBC's clearly lost their proverbial shit. Sure.
Starting point is 00:24:55 So I pick up the phone. I go to the phones, they call home. I'm like, what's going on? And they're like, my partner goes like, I'm on my way to pick you up. I just spoke to the president. I'm like, wait, you spoke to the president. I've never spoken to the president on the phone. I was like angry at that.
Starting point is 00:25:10 That first and I just lost, I started crying. I think this is a really good sign that Trump is done playing stupid games. Oh, yeah. Because he tried to be very diplomatic in his first term. The fact that he did not wait until the end of his second term, he was literally like, I don't care, just get him out of jail. He's just like, we're going, we're doing this. You know what?
Starting point is 00:25:29 Here's what I look at it. After what Biden did, I think he, he, he, it's, you know what, quite frankly, fuck you. Like, anybody who's like pletching pearls, I've gone every cable news network from Chris, I mean, barely cable for News Nation, but I did Chris Cuomo to everyone else, and they're all going nuts. Like, you should be ashamed. I'm like, wait, I should be a shame for receiving clemency. I thought the United States is all about second chances, but only for Hunter Biden, you know.
Starting point is 00:25:55 Oh, second? Seventh? Third. I don't know, whatever. I mean, look, I'm thankful, obviously. And to say it's humbling, it's crazy. But it was definitely a surprise. I did not know.
Starting point is 00:26:08 If I knew, trust me, I wouldn't totally. So, do you have course, real quick, do you think you deserved seven, it was seven and a half years? Seven, seven years and three months for essentially a campaign finance indictment. If you look at all the elements of it, it is all campaign related from 2022 for my run, my successful run for Congress, not my first one. And no, I mean, Jesse Jackson Jr. went to prison for 30 months and he took three or four times, but he stole outright from the taxpayer. You put money, you put money towards, and then obviously there was misappropriation. But the crazy part is I was the largest benefactor of my campaign because I put $700,000 of my own money in there. So just real quick, what's your backstory as to how you were able to do?
Starting point is 00:26:54 Do you have to run a business? I mean, look, it's out in the public. I mean, I've always been in the high assets market with private equity. So working with a lot of high net worth individuals and family offices. So I had a career in private equity for 10 years right before the campaign. I mean, I sold a $22 million yacht with a waterfall, one of two, a Mangusta, beautiful Italian. I'm not trying to sound like an asshole. I know there were like allegations of you working at like Goldman Sachs and Citibank.
Starting point is 00:27:21 Did you work at these places? I didn't work. So that's the bigger part. I didn't work for them, but I did do work with them. And that was just more, that was literally more of an embellishing a resume for the sake of making it look better. But I'd never worked at the institutions. That was definitely not true. But I have worked in the private equity space since 2014.
Starting point is 00:27:42 So it's like 11 years in the space. So like the reality is I made money. That's clear. I mean, you don't just people like to say, oh, those are probably stolen from campaign donors. I'm like, you guys must really think my entire life was a grift. Why would you want to be in office? It was the stupidest thing I've ever done. I mean, I did it because I really thought you can change things from the inside when I got there.
Starting point is 00:28:08 I'm like, oh, this is a zoo. This is theater. Like, literally theater. I mean, I took the math, three months before going to Congress, I made $800,000. And then I subjected myself to $174,000 a year. Do you have any remorse for your crimes? Of course I do. Are you kidding?
Starting point is 00:28:28 Like, stupidest thing a human being can do is, first of all, I didn't need to do any of it. I didn't. I genuinely didn't need to. You probably could have been Zimmerman. I would have been Zimmerman. I would have I was going to say something so bad. Anyway, I could have curbsomped. I saved it for 10 o'clock. Yeah, I would have curbsompped Zimmerman 10 ways from Tuesdays with my
Starting point is 00:28:46 freaking eyes closed because I was running against a senile candidate. It was like 68 years old, fourth run, I think fourth run for Congress, if I'm not mistaken. I was 34 years old. I was running circles around him. Like he was frail and old and just, eh, you know. I regret it because I didn't need to do it, but my ambition and my insecurities took over. I was also fending off a primary opponent or a potential primary.
Starting point is 00:29:12 Everything just was like dumb and self-inflicted. And if I could go backwards and do it again, I would do it so differently. Because A, people like to say, oh, he's only sorry because he got caught. That's not true. I'm sorry because it was a stupid. I caused a lot of pain, hurt,
Starting point is 00:29:27 and disappointment to a lot of good people that I genuinely like, that I'm probably never going to be able to square away those relationships. And, you know, I had a potential out of a really good career ahead of me, and I blew it up, and it was dumb, and, you know, I have
Starting point is 00:29:43 to live with it. Not to mention the district that you were representing, New York's third, it's like a flip district, you know, a purple district that you were turning red, Long Island one of these important districts on a super slim majority that the house had. I was part of giving the house a majority because they messed up all over the country, but then
Starting point is 00:29:58 New York saved the majority. It became crucial. And, you know, you were the one of the supporting votes for Johnson, who I think was struggling to get the speakership at the time. I was one of the ringleaders to create the consensus was created. Nobody likes to talk about the facts here. The consensus for Mike Johnson for Speaker Johnson was created by me, Lauren Bober, and Matt Gates.
Starting point is 00:30:19 I don't care what anybody says. Speaker Johnson was just Congressman Johnson. We were going through Jim Jordan, Steve Scalise, Tom Emmer, and nobody would get a consensus. Oh, you did this or you did that. And there was like the tribes, right, the families, as we call. call him in the conference. I went up to Johnson right off the bat and I said, you need to jump in. He's like, oh, I can't do this. I said, dude, you're the only person in the conference everybody
Starting point is 00:30:42 likes. Like, nobody has quarrels with you. And he's like, I can't do this. You know, I look up to Jim and to Steve. They're like big brothers. I'm like, sure, Mike, but you need to do it. So I insist that I insisted. After it all went to crap with Mike Johnson's with what's his name, Jim Jordan's three votes on the floor, he texts me, I guess, like, two or three days later in the morning after we recess and go home. It's like, George, you know, I appreciate all the encouragement or something along goes, I appreciate all the encouragement. I've decided through my hat in the ring, do I still have your support? I'm, I literally goes like, let effing go. I call Lauren Bobert.
Starting point is 00:31:18 I think it was like six o'clock in the morning because I'm that guy. Like I have the energy at I'm up. So I'm like, she's like, what happened? Who died? I'm like, nobody died. Mike's in. She starts screaming on the other line. And that was off to the race.
Starting point is 00:31:31 Do you resent Johnson, the speaker of Johnson, after everything to pass? Not at all. No, you know what? I did for a while because I was feeding into the hatred inside of me. That was really poisonous. And I did say some things that I completely regret and take back. And I've told him that very much personally and publicly. I've spoken about it.
Starting point is 00:31:51 I think Mike Johnson did what he thought was the right thing to do is to let people vote their conscience. And people thought in their conscience that, you know, they were so self-important that they were perfect. and I had to go, and here I am. I'm, I can't respect it, but I'm a little disappointed. We're talking about this a moment ago, the lack of unity. Matt Walsh has been on the receiving end of heavy criticism for the past several weeks
Starting point is 00:32:13 because he said he's willing to unite with anyone on the right to defeat the evil on the left. And he said this after Charlie was killed and everyone praised him. He said it again after these group chats got leaked and now he's getting flak. And I'm just sitting here being like, okay, I hear you. moderate conservative Republicans that you don't want to unite with St. Nick Fondis or whoever. But when George Santos was
Starting point is 00:32:35 in Congress, all of these same people, not literally all of them, but a bunch of conservatives are like, nah, fire him. And I'm like, they have Ilhan Omar and Rashida Taleb and these other people who say awful things and are very, very bad, and they unify no matter what. No, it's true. It's no matter what. I mean, look,
Starting point is 00:32:52 they're backing Jay Jones in Virginia. They're backing that guy with a Nazi tattoo in Maine. Jay Jones. Oh, the accidental Nazi tattoo that's covered up with dogs now. Like, dude, you put dogs over the Nazi tattoo. Like, you're a really bad, dude. Poor dog.
Starting point is 00:33:05 Let's just lay that out. Jay Jones said he wanted his rival's children to be murdered. And if he had the option, it was that famous, it's what do you say, Hitler Pol Pot and the Republican Speaker, and I had two bullets. He said that he would shoot the Republican twice. And he lost only three
Starting point is 00:33:21 points in the polls. Bannberger still backs him. The ACLU sent out, paid for mailers that went out, you know, and the ACLU doesn't even endorse. And you pointed out, Johnson said, vote your conscience when it came to you. And I'm like, listen, if I have to sit here and compare what you're accused of doing
Starting point is 00:33:39 to the guy who called for the murder of his rival's children, I'll take the campaign finance violation guy. Well, and the other thing, too, is the Democrats, like you were saying, they always unify. They don't care who they're unifying around. They will back anybody so long as they're part of their tribe. And then all of a sudden. Holt, Holt.
Starting point is 00:33:58 Yes. Tribe. have a tribe. They have a cult. Right. They have a cult. But they're like looking at a mirror, so they're like, oh, cult is a cult. I'm like, I know, I know. You're looking at your reflection. But the thing, but it's crazy. And now we have people doing all this
Starting point is 00:34:11 infighting among the conservative side. And it's like, guys, they have guns. Like, they're killing our guys. They killed Charlie. You know? He killed children. They killed children. They're doing all of this stuff. And we're just like, yeah, but, you know, a bunch of kids said some goofy stuff on a text.
Starting point is 00:34:29 I'll say this. About the kids in the schools, I'm going to try to steal man as much as I can because when you go that direction, they'll then try and claim that white supremacists are right wing. So I say, okay, hold on. The alleged assassin in the killing of Charlie Kirk, the ideology is identical to Ocasio Cortez, who went on the house floor and smeared Charlie Kirk's good name, like a week after he was murdered. The concern that I have is that the no king's protesters on the street saying kill ice agents, the far left and liberals, and liberals who are shooting up Tesla, it is the exact same ideology as the mainstream Democratic Party.
Starting point is 00:35:12 Now, when they say the right has their extremists, no, no, no, hold on there, gosh, turn a minute, there is no moderate conservative with an extremist ideology. It doesn't exist. If you come to me and you say, why don't you condemn the evil white supremac, done. literally everybody does Charlie does Trump does but when it comes to the far left extremists they say sure it was bad but he was right ideologically
Starting point is 00:35:35 they also in their studies they say that jihad is right wing you know oh yeah yeah anti-government is right wing yeah anti-government is right wing and they don't include Tesla dealerships they say that's economic crime they say that the riots BLM riots wasn't
Starting point is 00:35:51 left wing right is it only when they're Marxists nationalist or something yeah right so they're very specific about what they classify as left-doing violence because they don't want to... Yes, exactly. They get to cherry-pick, we don't. Like, they pigeonholed us to their narrative,
Starting point is 00:36:05 but when we try to do the same back, no, no, no, that's not... It's like when the transgendered dude in, what was that, Ohio? No, no, no, the one from 2023, that went into the Christian school. Nashville, the Covenant Presbyterian. There you go.
Starting point is 00:36:19 So... That was a girl. Audrey Hale. It was a trans person who was completely out of their rocker. like 99% of trans people who are like, oh my God, please accept me, me who I couldn't accept a genitalia was freaking born with, goes in there, kills kids, and they actually mum, not a word comes out of their mouths, that drives me absolutely insane. Well, it's not just that not a word came out of their mouths.
Starting point is 00:36:42 They were defending her. They were saying, oh, it's so hard to be trans. Yeah, so you're going to justify murder. It's like, look, as a gay man, it stresses me out because I am being put with these people who clearly have a mental health disorder that I do not do. I might be crazy in my own terms, but it has nothing to do with my sexual orientation, right?
Starting point is 00:37:02 These people literally fight their own body because they're so sick and we're not treating them. Also, if you look at, like, statistics of, you know, homosexuality, that pretty much stays static throughout the years, throughout the decades. Trans goes up and down. Because it's a fad. Because it's a fad. It's like, I remember when I was in high school.
Starting point is 00:37:22 It's a social contagion. When I was in high school, I remember, this year, all the girls went lesbian. Every single girl. I'm older than you. Maybe the guys were just chopped that year. No, it was just really bad. All the girls were like dating each other. All of them are now married with kids and children. I'm like, I'm like, oh, okay, so I guess it was a fad is TikTok. It was a four year lesbian thing when I was in college. It was like,
Starting point is 00:37:44 my point, you know? So it's just like, I think this is it. But the problem with this, it's so demonic and dangerous. Like, I literally see these videos of little boys with their mothers and, like, getting injections, hormone blockers. I'm like, it is demonic. Tim Burchard shared one the other day, and he literally quipped it demonic. I was like, I had goosebumps watching. And the Charlie Kirk assassination happened so quickly
Starting point is 00:38:07 after the shooting of the Catholic children. In Minneapolis. In Minneapolis that people almost memory hold it, but if you take a look at the illustrations in that man's journal, you will see that his self-portrait is that of Baphimet. He sees himself as a demon,
Starting point is 00:38:24 and he was clearly possessed. I will say the last shooting victim came home from the hospital today, the 12-year-old girl who was shot in the head and they had to remove part of her skull. She came home. It's a long road to recovery, but it seems like a little bit of a miracle going on.
Starting point is 00:38:39 It's actually good news. It's really good news. Amen. Let's jump to the story from the Daily Mail. Chilling messages reveal how mafia henchmen allegedly threatened and attacked victims of their rigged NBA poker games. This is the, it's a crazy story, it's like out of an action movie.
Starting point is 00:38:55 It's just nuts. The FBI claims it uncovered a decades-long mafia-led poker ring. The alleged scheme involved professional athletes, including Portland Trailblazers, head coach Chauncey Billups, being used as, quote, face cards to attract victims to the table where high-tech methods were used by the mafia to rig the games, says the indictment. And I am proud to say, for the loyal viewers of Timcast, you would not have been fleeced by this because we talked about this two years ago, two years ago. In one instance, Gen Hu, 37 from Brooklyn, sent chilling messages to an alleged victim of the ring,
Starting point is 00:39:30 identified as John Doe 5 for not paying up. Yeah, you're not going to pay me who asked in a message on November 5th, which he swiftly followed by saying a message, all right, bet. Is that him right there? So I guess the do mob enforcers are Asian now. That's actually interesting. Is it Asian mafia? He says, watch what's good now.
Starting point is 00:39:51 You've been running your mouth unchecked, he warned. In the days that followed, the diamond claims, who is said to have made good on his threat when he allegedly assaulted Doe 5? I punched somebody in the face the other day, ish unraveling quick, he told the unnamed recipient. Now, we've got this video right here from Timcast News. This is solved for why this is, I believe this is Matt, Matt Berkey on his podcast talking about, he's a pro poker player, talking about how these guys. games were run and what they found listen to this uh there are a lot of a lot of stories about it
Starting point is 00:40:25 there's there's one the uh cropped up this must have been like five years ago 2019ish i think four years ago um where there was this game it started in l a lay and then it came to Vegas for a few days uh and it was all built around chauncey billips and uh i heard i had heard about the game, and the person who told me about it was like, look, I know the game runners, I'm telling you 100% this game is on the up and up. And I was like, well, I know a lot of the people that are involved, and I'm telling you
Starting point is 00:40:59 100% that it is not on the up and up. And, you know, we kind of went back and forth, and I agreed that, like, I just wasn't going to go play it, but I had some friends who went and played it both in L.A. and in Vegas, and it obviously
Starting point is 00:41:15 was for sure. sure, confirmed to be cheated. Like, people who clearly didn't even understand the rules of No Limit Hold'em are just, like, jamming hundreds of big blinds in with, like, a gutty, and then just drilling it.
Starting point is 00:41:32 Only the pros are losing. How, how is it figured out? Like, it just... So, that's the gist of it, where we're getting this story. They'd invite people in, and I'll translate a little bit what he said, when he's had hundreds of big blinds.
Starting point is 00:41:48 He's saying lots of money and a gutty is a very unlikely probability to win. He was saying people who didn't know what they were doing were playing ridiculous bets and they were defeating all the pros. The New York Times says that what they would do, this is wild. What is it? High tech sophisticated technology like from the movie Oceans 13. The machine that shuffled the cards was not just randomly mixing them up. They had technology hidden inside.
Starting point is 00:42:12 They could read the cards in the deck, predict which player had the best hand, and relay that information to somebody off-site. That person would then use a cell phone to communicate the intel to someone at the table who would steer the other cheating players with secret signals like tapping certain chips or body parts. In some of the rigged games, the poker chip trays had hidden cameras that could read the cards on the table. That one doesn't seem to make sense to me, but we'd speculate, I guess. The cards also sometimes had markings that were visible only to people wearing specially designed contact lenses or sunglasses. I will stress, we have those playing cards.
Starting point is 00:42:47 Really? Yeah, they're marked with, on the back of each card is a very big number that can only be seen if you're wearing UV glasses or contact lenses. We have them as a gag because we are filming a comedy bit or something. But legit, the sunglasses are purple, you put them on. Everything looks purple, and the back of every playing card looks just like this. You'll see a big purple number. Yeah, so you'll know exactly what they have. I would love a deck like that at Blackjack.
Starting point is 00:43:12 Can people be tipped off, though, if people are wearing the glasses? Not if they're... The contact lenses are un-detectable. But look, they're purple. Yeah, they're purple. How do you not tell? Because people don't know to look for these things. And a lot of poker players wear sunglasses when they're playing.
Starting point is 00:43:29 It's very common. You wear the sunglasses. We'll be on that. Purple ones. Yeah. Today on the culture where we had Doug Polk, obviously, legendary poker player, and he said he's like, in my entire career, I've never played a house game. Because he's like, there's just too many, too many, too.
Starting point is 00:43:42 many like spots to look out for. I got to challenge him though because I watched the interview you did with Doug Polk. Shout out to Doug Polk. He's probably one of the most famous, if not the most famous players right now because he's got a big YouTube presence. But he said if you're playing a game, if you're playing a home game, which is like a private game, which is very, very common and you see a shuffle machine, you should be worried. It's incorrect. If you see a deckmate two shuffle machine because those have cameras inside of them, this is a security feature actually to, so you can tell if someone's adding cards or changing the structure of the deck. It'll warn you and it'll spit the deck back out.
Starting point is 00:44:17 But hackers figured out two years ago how to plug something into the USB or Ethernet port and that camera, it tracks the position of every card and then it sends the, once the deck is shuffled, it sends it out to a random person, it can send it out to any person they want through Bluetooth. And then I've, we talked about this a couple years ago when it happened. On Timcast, IRL, our researchers in Vegas at DefCon, the hacker convention, said they figured this out. And a bunch of commenters and people were saying, but they still cut the deck. That doesn't change the order of the cards. It changes the order of two cards. It's true. So, so long as any, so anybody who has access to the deck information from the
Starting point is 00:44:54 hacked machine, when they see the first visible cards that come out on the board, it's called the flop, they know what card everyone has. And if you're in hand, meaning like you've got cards, you're playing the game and you're wearing headphones, you can look down at your cards, you can easily relay that information in a million different ways and then your person who's sitting a table over can tell you if you're going to win or not. Here's what gets crazy about this is they didn't need to do it.
Starting point is 00:45:19 This is what I don't understand about the story. It sounds like, I'll put it like this. I bet if you went to Matt Berkey or Doug Polk and said, you want to rip off a bunch of morons at a high-stakes game with Chauncey Billups and other pro athletes, how would you do it? They'd be like, we'd invite Fish to come play poker. Like, we're going to crush them.
Starting point is 00:45:39 There's nothing they can do. It sounds like the mob was like, let's cheat them because they didn't know how to play poker. I feel like you go to anybody knows how to play poker and they're going to be like, oh, we'll run a game at the table. You get two players, play on a team, and you basically just, you can play. I'll try to keep the example really simple, but two players at one table can do a handful of things from very, very technically above board to super illicit. There was a cheating ring at MGM National Harbor. This is what I was told by the people who worked there. It was three guys.
Starting point is 00:46:15 They'd play at one table, and they had a way to tap information about the cards they had to each other. So a guy looks down at his hand, and he sees a hand that's very bad. Let's say Ace 7 off suit. Like, yeah, you've got an ace. That's pretty good. But you're not suited. You can't do any of the 7, and you're facing a race. You don't want to play it.
Starting point is 00:46:33 However, he wants to let his buddy know he's folding an ace. so he would tap a chip. There's a lot easier ways to cheat than using high-tech RFID scanner tables and hidden cameras and all sorts of nonsense. And additionally, the crazy thing is you don't need to cheat.
Starting point is 00:46:51 It's very common in Vegas. They'll invite Chinese millionaires and billionaires to play these games where they know they're going to win and the Chinese millionaires and billionaires are going to lose. But these Chinese, like these guys from Macau, they're like, I literally don't care
Starting point is 00:47:03 if I lose $5 million. Y'all Macau is... They don't care. care. How did they get so rich? They just have so much money. I mean, Macau is just nuts. I play Blackjack in Macau on a trip to Asia, a business trip, and it's scary. It's like it's very intimidating. I only play Blackjack, for instance, in high limit rooms because it's hand shuffled. I will not play. You're talking about machines. I just don't feel comfortable because the machines can line up the cards, like you just said. I just don't feel comfortable playing. Only there's specific machines they can. I don't,
Starting point is 00:47:34 I don't know if the deckmate one can. I just, I'm not interested in a machine shuffle at all. I will not play. Oh, bro, don't play hand shuffle. I only play hand shuffle. And it works for me. That's the easiest to rig, bro. Even I can card track.
Starting point is 00:47:48 It works so well for me. I mean, if you're at a casino, you've got nothing to worry about hand shuffle or otherwise. But if you're playing anything private. Oh, yeah, no, that's just not like. Anything private? Not my cup of tea. This is what I was saying about what, Doug. I would suggest if you're playing private, you want to see a deckmate one.
Starting point is 00:48:03 it just literally says deckmate on it because those as far as we know can't really be manipulated. There's no internal camera to track which cards going where. Deckmate 2 is a camera and bro, card tracking. Like when you watch Penn and Tellers fool me or whatever
Starting point is 00:48:19 and you've got people pulling card tricks, it's not magic. They're not doing illusions. You're tracking cards, yeah. It's literally, there's 52 cards. It's extremely easy to memorize where one card is going to end up when you cut the deck perfectly in the middle and then count to where it was. And there's a guy that I follow on Instagram. He's one of the best, if not the best in the world. I think you pronounce
Starting point is 00:48:37 the name Jason Ledaini. I recommend you guys check out his videos. This guy is a master card tracker. And people think it's an illusion, a sleight of hand or a magic trick. I'm not going to try and speak for him because I don't know exactly how he does all of the trick. Some of it is. But I'm fairly certain this guy literally just knows the position of every card. He's doing, he's been doing it for decades. You hire this guy to deal for you. Not him because he's a performer. but there are people who can do this you sit down on one of these games I'm like they don't need machines to do this
Starting point is 00:49:07 they could have literally got a magician to deal out hands they don't need a machine and you can never trace it you can't prove somebody was a magician so why do you think they did all this? Because the mafia didn't understand poker
Starting point is 00:49:21 right so like it's wild that the mafia is still there you know I'm actually shocked to see like Gambino Lacosa Nostra you know We can't classic Like these are, yeah, the classics, these are old names. Who did we have on the show, Franchese, is that his name? Probably pronouncing his name wrong.
Starting point is 00:49:39 It sounds like a decently pronounced it. But he was saying, he was saying the mom never went anywhere. They're just lying low. They don't want to get, they don't want to do business. It was a mistake when they were all, like John Gotti, high profile, all that stuff. I mean, all the Macy's and the Persico's and all of them. Sure. But it's crazy.
Starting point is 00:49:57 Like, well, the Godfather made it all so cool, you know. And too much. exposure, but reading that and seeing their names was nuts to me. Let me, let me throw this in there. There's actually two regular jets that I think are really, really good. One is about gambling. One's about J.B. Pritzker, which I definitely want to talk about in this context. But someone said, Tim, explain how playing poker for money isn't gambling.
Starting point is 00:50:17 Depends on your definition of gambling. It's a stock market gambling. We hear that all the time. But the issue is this. If you enter a fishing tournament, are you gambling? Technically, in some instances, according to the IRS, it is gambling. But you might be saying, like, well, hold on. What do you mean?
Starting point is 00:50:29 I'm good at fishing. I paid $100 to enter the tournament. All I got to do now is catch a bigger and more fish than the other guy and I win. And then the IRS says, can you control how many fish are in the water? No. Can you control the size of the fish you catch? No. Can you control how much money will be put in the pot that will be paid out for the tournament?
Starting point is 00:50:47 No. So you actually can't control all these circumstances. That's actually legally gambling in a lot of circumstances. Gambling winnings, whether it be blackjack or tournaments, falls under the same category, which is I think it's called W. 2G or something like this. So the question around poker has longly been debated because poker is considered social poker, like Texas Hold'em, PLO, High Low, Pineapple, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Starting point is 00:51:10 They're considered to be skill games. I'll put it this way. If you want to play a game of war with somebody, everyone gets one card and whoever's the high card wins. Okay, that's gambling. You want to play blackjack. You don't know what you're going to get. You're gambling.
Starting point is 00:51:25 You want to play a game of PLO against me. I guarantee you most people listening are like, I don't know what PLO is. How can you win a game you don't know how to play against another person? It's a completely a skill game. Then the question is, okay, it's called Pot Limit Omaha. You want to play a game of Pot Limit Omaha against me, heads up, what's the best hand? What cards are you looking for that you're going to wage your money on? You don't actually know?
Starting point is 00:51:48 Okay, it's a skill game. And so professionals in Texas Holden, which is substantially more popular, they know almost all of the math for the cards that you get and the position you're in and the likelihood you're going to win, and that's the game they're playing, several studies have been done that found around 80% of all winning hands are not the game-winning hand. It was the play of the player. That being said, because I definitely want to answer that. Someone brought up J.B. Pritzker, so I definitely want to talk about J.B. Pritzker. You guys heard.
Starting point is 00:52:17 Was this this $1.4 million on Blackjack? No, no, not on Blackjack. He never said. No, he didn't. No, he didn't. He said cards. He said cards because he's clever. But it was one trip, right? One trip, and he won $1.4 million. So let's talk about how J.B. Pritzker, governor of Illinois, somehow made 14% of his yearly income in one weekend in Vegas.
Starting point is 00:52:40 I'm sorry, man. I am a card player, okay? I play blackjack. I don't play three card poker. It's a terrible game with miserable odds. I like Mississippi. Cajun for those that don't know. I like Texas Hold'em. I like playing some PLO sometimes. I play cards. And I'm going to tell you right now, I call shenanigans on this Pritzker making 1.4. million dollars when his income was reported at 10 million dollars okay the time said it was blackjack so re let's look look at his actual video he didn't actually say it i'm pretty sure his quote was i went i went to i went to vegas and got lucky on cards i've gotten lucky on cards not 1.4 million and i played pretty aggressively in the past so we can we can say a few things i got to take jb to play blackjack so my understanding is homie's a billionaire right so it's a rich man it's entirely possible it's entirely possible that he went to Vegas, he's worth a ridiculous amount of money, and he said, I'm going to take out $10 million to play with.
Starting point is 00:53:35 Entirely possible, right? You see reported winnings of $1.4 million. Maybe he lost $3 million, won $1.4 back, and he doesn't want to tell people, I got to be honest, if you're running for office, there's a lot of members of Congress who play poker. And whenever I ask him, like, would you want to play a game, maybe go on, I'm like, no, no, no, I couldn't do that. I couldn't do that. Because it makes you look bad for re-election.
Starting point is 00:53:59 Oh, the number one cardinal rule of office is do not show people your means and your ability to go play a game and lose tens of thousands of dollars when people can't even equate sometimes the summation of $100,000 to make their bills. You're asking, and you're saying, I need you to donate to me. Yeah, and I need your vote. And can you send me five bucks? So it's not a good look. Yeah, the asking for money when you can afford to lose thousands.
Starting point is 00:54:23 You know, I got that thrown at me a lot when I was running. because I did give my campaign $700,000. And a lot of people, like, you know, the grassroots people, they'd be like, well, if you gave yourself that much money, why do you need my $5? It's a very, you know, it's a tight rope. You're like, because it's not enough and I don't have any more. Or, well, if you gave $700, that means you can put more. Like, there's this dichotomy to it.
Starting point is 00:54:45 So the last thing you want, and you're right on the money, the last thing J.B. Pritzker wants is to go and say, well, this wasn't actually a winning. I actually lost $1.6 million. So actually, you can look at it this way too. If he, here's what I think, the most ideal situation for J.B. Pritzker would be to say, those are recorded winnings. My recorded losses were also around $1.4 million. I actually only ended up with an extra $100. So what happens in any kind of gaming is if I bet $100 on blackjack,
Starting point is 00:55:22 and then I win $100 and now I have two. Then I make another bet and lose. My winnings are 100. My losings are 100 and I have made $0. The ideal circumstance for Pritzker would be to come out and say it's actually a break-even game. Winnings are reported, but losses were also reported. The only thing is that wasn't what it was. He came out on top.
Starting point is 00:55:41 He doesn't want to come out and say, I pulled $10 million out of the bank, screwed around, willing to risk $10 million, and then ended up just coming out with another million bucks. While Chicago Burns. While Chicago Burns. While Chicago burns. And it's like you were just saying, you know, most people cannot fathom $10 million. But I want to say something else because I'm pretty sure he wasn't playing Blackjack, but it could be wrong. Do you want to try and look up what he actually said in the interview, the full quote?
Starting point is 00:56:02 Yeah, I'm just seeing where the Times said Blackjack, but they don't have it in quotes. Because he said he's a card player, and that's why he does poker games. So when someone says I got lucky in cards, I think poker, not Blackjack. Although some people were saying Blackjack, maybe that's, okay, we got to pull up his quote. Let me get this. What was? I see anybody who's played cards in a casino knows that you often play for too long and lose whatever it is that you won.
Starting point is 00:56:30 I was fortunate enough to have to leave before that happened. Okay, hold on, hold on. The man of the people. So contrived. Yeah. Okay, quote. He said, I went a vacation with my wife with some friends. I was incredibly lucky.
Starting point is 00:56:47 You have to be to end up ahead, frankly, going to a casino anywhere. it was in Las Vegas and I like to play cards. I've made this point a million and one times. So for all the people out there who are like, Tim, we don't care about poker, you're now all of a sudden going, hey, wait a minute. Hold on there a minute. Wasn't Tim talking about this like six months ago? Somebody wants to bribe a politician. Right?
Starting point is 00:57:10 Mm-hmm. So the lobbyist goes to a poker game at a casino with a no max. It means there's no maximum buying. and he says, I want to play $100,000. The recipient, say they're running a super PAC or a member of Congress or something like that, says, I too will play a high-stakes game with tens of thousands of dollars. Bribeer says, I'm going to bet $15,000 on these two really good cards. Recipient then says, oh, yeah, I'm all in.
Starting point is 00:57:43 The guy with the bribe now has a choice. he can match the amount of money this guy raised or fold or fold and so he's trying to bribe him so he goes rats I was bluffing you win throws his cards into the muck nobody can see what he had and the dealer will shuffle the $15,000 over to the person receiving the bribe and then when the person who got the bribe is asked where'd you get it says got lucky playing cards in Vegas one weekend thank you for teaching people how to take bribes now right now wins millions of dollars in a weekend so Pritzker may just be a billionaire who pulled out 20 million bucks. He has an infinite amount of money compared to most people.
Starting point is 00:58:19 The struggle here for me is I've played blackjack pretty aggressively in my life. I mean, to a detriment even of, and I agree with him, if you don't know when to stop, you will give everything back. You're going to have the luckiest night ever. You will give every penny back. It's happened. I mean, I've been up hundreds of thousands of dollars only to turn around and leave at a loss. And again, starting with like 10 grand and just getting really lucky playing for hours.
Starting point is 00:58:44 I've sat, the longest I've sat at a blackjack table was 16 hours, which is psychotic. Gambling is degenerate. It is a sin. Oh, God. All of these fraud stories should exemplify why, wait, please, should exemplify why you shouldn't gamble. Gambling in these casinos and sports betting, it acts as a regressive tax on the poorest in our societies. There's a saying that the casino always wins, and it's true, because the house always wins, yeah. The house always wins.
Starting point is 00:59:10 And it's because they have an edge over you, and you should abstain from sin when possible. I agree. Now, define gambling. So there's a spectrum to it, right? If you're gambling with, like, say, fishing is your example, or, like, Pokemon cards, and buying Pokemon cards is gambling. It's actually easily definable.
Starting point is 00:59:25 I'm not asking to play a trick question. Gambling is when you enter in a game of chance for which you can't control the outcome. Yeah. So if you're betting your house. Do you ever have fun, though? That's a question. There's a detriment. Like, I don't think you have a lot of fun.
Starting point is 00:59:36 You got to have fun. No, I think poor people struggle. And then they go to casino. because they think it's easy cash, but they end up losing more money. No, more often than not. I understand, but you're incorrect. In what part? The majority of people are going to casinos aren't thinking they're going to hit it rich.
Starting point is 00:59:48 Some people do, and they've got an addiction. Most people will sit down, have no idea what's going on, play, chuckle, and then leave. Yeah, okay. I think it's a regressive tax on the poorest people. I'm going to push back. I think that's regressive. I think it's bad we have this many casinos. I think we need substantially less.
Starting point is 01:00:03 We were better off when it was just Vegas and Atlantic City. Completely agree with that. I mean, now we have it on our phones, even worse than that. You can just get on anything at anything. worst. That's the absolute worst. Do not gamble on your phones. Gambling is bad. It's a sin. I'm glad we could agree that it's degenerate. Mary, do you have any take on that? Well, I mean, like, it is a growing problem, especially with even teenagers that are gambling on their smartphones. They're gambling in Fortnite. They've noted that,
Starting point is 01:00:28 obviously, tourism in Vegas is way down because nobody needs to go to Vegas or any city in order to gamble. They just do it in their bedrooms. And I don't think it should be legal. To me, hold on, hold on. There's only a handful of states that have actually legalized like online casinos. Pennsylvania.
Starting point is 01:00:46 Or at least it's like five states. Sports betting. Sports betting is a lot big. No, no, no, I agree. I'm saying like online casinos. We should not allow these online casinos. Not to mention that we've not decriminalized. We've legalized sports betting.
Starting point is 01:01:01 And what does that mean? It means that there's the power of capitalism behind it. And I don't mean to sell like a socialist. No, no, no, no. No, but Santos, let me finish. The issue here is is that we could advertised to impressionable young kids who are watching ESPN and just like sports, but then we're, you know, we're telling them on ESPN and Sports Center that, oh, the odds, like, I don't
Starting point is 01:01:17 care about the sports odd for my sports. Sports has become tainted so much by this BS gambling. You're correct. That is true. I give you that. You should abstain from the sin, Mr. Santos. 3% of government's collective taxes come from gambling, and that's a big deal, right? The reason we legalize gambling in this country is to tax it, or else you were just going to let, I guess, The Gambino crime family keep all the proceeds. I mean, I'm being very direct. But that's the difference between promoting it? No, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 01:01:44 Okay. I'm just going to go back to, like, Prohibition era and go back. We banned alcohol, and then the entire underground movement of alcohol took all the tax revenue. Well, to be clear, during prohibition, drinking actually did go down significantly. Sure, but so did, and crime went up and smuggling booze went up, and speakeasies were going all over the place, not paying taxes. Of course, illegal drinking went up during the prohibition because drinking became illegal. Of course. But, like, drinking overall did become less common.
Starting point is 01:02:13 Violent crime in general increased with the trade. So, look, I'm fairly libertarian. My attitude is society should, it should be socially unacceptable to a great degree. Where I would disagree with you. It's a good idea. No, no, no. I mean, I'm embarrassed. I'm like, I sit here.
Starting point is 01:02:31 I don't think I've ever publicly said on anywhere that I like gambling. I don't have a gambling issue. I mean, I don't gamble every day. I don't have an issue with gambling. It's okay. You've done worse. Do you think that you used to have an issue, what you would call an issue? With gambling, I never had to get.
Starting point is 01:02:46 I'm very sober when it comes to gambling. Like, I have a limit. I go, if I go to a casino, let's say I pull out $1,000. I'm like, it's make or break. You're not going to see me run to the ATM and, like, rape my account of every penny I have, like some people do. So I do it for the entertainment. It's very entertaining.
Starting point is 01:03:01 But it's funny because I don't think until this very moment I've ever had this public discussion. And I agree, it is still very socially. embarrassing to admit you gambled him. Not amongst teenagers who are sports betting. They talk about it openly. It's a hobby for them. I'm not a teenager, right?
Starting point is 01:03:17 There are prominent Twitch streamers and influencers who have started gamble streaming where they play these ridiculous games online and they get millions of views from gambling money. Isn't that like influencer? What's his name? Steve something. Yeah, Steve will do it. Didn't he get like banned for streaming?
Starting point is 01:03:36 I guess it's not socially acceptable if we're banning people off the platform. So, Elad is too moralistic. Your point, here's my argument. Gambling is bad. Most people I see, the over on the majority, will sit down, have a free drink, play a hundred bucks or whatever and go, ah, that's enough for me, that was fun. You're talking about people who have addictions. If the problem is people drink too much, smoke too much, eat too much cake, too much of
Starting point is 01:04:05 everything is bad. The question is when do we decide to decide to start banning you can't buy more cake because you're morbidly obese. You know what I mean? Well, Bloomberg try that with so. Exactly. Exactly. So the issue is because some people have gambling problems, no one else can play a game of blackjack. That seems
Starting point is 01:04:21 silly. So the problem is our culture, our society and the fact that we are becoming increasingly degenerate which is why I said we should not have casinos being opened everywhere. We should allow for, say, Vegas or Atlantic City and maybe some reservation casinos are fine, but the fact that Maryland now has, I shouldn't say just Maryland,
Starting point is 01:04:40 but within two hours driving the distance of us right now is like 12 casinos. I think that is wrong. I think this is part of a bigger thing, though. Young men are struggling. They're struggling with a lot of things. They're struggling with alcohol. They're struggling with porn addiction. And now what do we do to add to the struggles of young men?
Starting point is 01:04:54 We're adding legalizing sports betting and sports gambling. I have so many young male friends who are struggling with sports gambling. Thousands, tens of thousands in debt. It's extremely common. And what do we have? We have these pervasive ads on things that used to be, you know, used to just hang out with the boys, drink a couple of beers, watch a couple of football games.
Starting point is 01:05:12 But now they're throwing this gambling stuff in your face. Moreover, you're not allowed to be an advantage player on these apps. If you come out a winning player, they will ban you from the app. If you think people weren't gambling on sports until now, I've got a bridge to seven. No, Tim, but I'll tell you, the market exploded. I think the market exploded. I think you guys would be naive to think that the market hasn't exploded with legalization with how ease of access you have to this.
Starting point is 01:05:34 I think you can't compare the black market sports betting to what people have access to nowadays. It just doesn't compare. I think we could look up what the numbers are. I think this is like a hundred billion-plus dollar industry. This is a mathematical argument in government that I don't agree with because it and while obviously guns and gambling are very different things, the argument that because we have a broken culture of mentally ill people who murder does not mean I shouldn't be allowed to have a gun. And because there is a society that is encouraging people to be degenerates doesn't mean you should be allowed to play. place a bet on a sports team. If everyone in this country was of sound moral and principal mind and
Starting point is 01:06:09 said, look, I make like a $25 bet once a month for fun with my buddies just because we want to add a little excitement. That's nothing wrong with that. What you're describing as the problem is a culture that has become excessively degenerate. I'm not for banning something because some people have problems. Sure. Well, I guess the state that we went from was it already being banned to it being unbanded. I preferred the way it was before. It's not. It's not. It's not. It was always allowed. It was always allowed. It's just they expanded.
Starting point is 01:06:37 They created digital apps for you. They expanded the scope of it. Sports betting has been illegal. Oh, you're talking about sports betting in particular. And there's also a lot of limits on these casinos. But again, the ease of access for sports betting in particular. They completely change the laws around this. Are you going to punish the great majority because a few people have a problem?
Starting point is 01:06:56 It's like, are you going to punish people from drinking soda because some people can't? Am I punishing people by not letting them have unlimited access to bedway? It's not unlimited. No, it is unlimited. I think you'll be an argument. That's a very socialist take. Like, we control what you get to do. Right.
Starting point is 01:07:11 Bloomberg said, we're going to tax the poor because they don't know what's good for them and they're not smart enough. So you can't buy large sodas anymore. And I'm like, oh, hold on. Sometimes, rarely, I'm very thirsty. I want to have one big meal and I want a liter of cola. And now because there's a lot of cola. It certainly is.
Starting point is 01:07:28 And because there's just massively morbid obese people, I'm not allowed to buy a leader of cola. That's nuts. The problem is a degenerate society, not what our access is. Okay, but we could take this argument to the nth degree. Do you believe that about heroin and fentanyl? I can make these same arguments about heroin and fentanyl. Gambly won't kill you. Stop Santa.
Starting point is 01:07:46 You're asking me, just to be clear, if I believe that we should have legal access to hard drugs. Yes. So there's a great difference between a hard drug which literally kills you in small doses. Like, fentanyl will kill you. You don't trust people to make their own decisions? Are you? That's a lot. Stop being retarded.
Starting point is 01:08:05 And fentanyl, a single dose of a person who's ever had before can die instantly from doing it. People can responsibly take fentanyl in their own homes. They just need to responsibly dose themselves. That's their issue. How was a New York City subway ad, by the way? And if they can't, if they can't
Starting point is 01:08:18 responsibly dose themselves, then maybe it should be legal. Maybe you should stop getting ahead of yourself because I haven't finished my point. You know, slow down? You're so arrogant. I'm actually largely for the legalization of drugs. Okay. Yeah. I think the issue is, as I've said with abortion, it should not be illegal, it should be unthinkable. If you have, if everybody
Starting point is 01:08:37 in this country had the same moral structure, moral worldview of Charlie Kirk, we wouldn't make drugs illegal. But that's not the world we're living in them. It's like simply, we're not in that this argument is what you're telling me is people are so stupid. We have to make sure they can't get access to things that can hurt them. And that is socialism. I'm talking about gambling online sports betting in particular. But it's a choice that people can make. And they should be able to have the choice to get heroin and fentanyl and prostitutes and you should be able to kill yourself. I think hard drugs should be illegal. Give credit to the idea also that the law teaches morality oftentimes. It doesn't always have to reflect the cultural sentiment around a certain action.
Starting point is 01:09:19 I have to agree. The law is a moral teacher. It has to be a certain degree, but it is, it is, it is a fact. It is a fact that when you have to write down your laws, your society is breaking apart. I don't think that's true This is absolutely We've been writing laws since the dawn of time I mean No no no no no Most countries have what's called
Starting point is 01:09:40 An Unwritten Constitution The Constitution Wade's thoughts Shout out This is his thesis He wrote an essay about this He made a video about it The UK has an unwritten
Starting point is 01:09:50 Constitution What does that mean? Well there's a thing The body politic largely aground It's acceptable and normal However the problem is It's now being violated And they've been written it down
Starting point is 01:09:59 So in the American colonies When they said We'll just have an unwritten Constitution, you had the anti, I believe it was the anti-federalist saying, no, no, no, no, hold on, we want guarantees from you. You better write it down. Why? Because different colonies had different rules. And if there was going to be a federal authority above them connected to another, they wanted guarantees certain things could never be done. Now we have this issue between the left and the right, where the left says the Second Amendment clearly says a regulated militia, which means government
Starting point is 01:10:28 control and national guard. And the right says, regulated meant, well serviced and militia was of the people, which body is correct in their interpretation of the Second Amendment. I would argue ours is. They would argue theirs is and I would again argue they're wrong. When you get to the point where you have to write down, you can't murder people. It's because people are being murdered. We have to put a sign in the fridge in the kitchen down here that says do not take an item if it's not yours. Why did we have to do that? I was shocked to find people was stealing food. Who steals the lunch? They would open the door and what would happen
Starting point is 01:11:05 is, no, no, no, let me tell you what happened. We bought protein shakes, we brought specific protein shakes for athletes that were coming and we had like three of them and people shut up and said, these must be for everybody and drank them and then we did not have protein shakes for the athletes who requested them. So then we said, we have to put a sign on the door that says, do not take the last item and do not take things if you don't know who's in it. Tim, can I ask you a question on that? Like, Working in corporate America, this was always an issue, and that was sort of funny. I guess some people aren't married or don't have spouses who cook well, and they
Starting point is 01:11:36 see a more appetizing lunch. Could it be like a lunch swap program at least? Look, my point is this. There's a like, like when the Ten Commandments were written down, that was literally like a You're reminiscing on those Citibank days too much. You know, that was better, it was better for society that the Ten Commandments got written down because it gives you a guideline. You don't have to guess. And morality is not something that. that just magically emerges within individuals and within societies.
Starting point is 01:12:02 It needs to be organized and dictated to a certain extent. Do you think that people can't know what God requests of them without someone having written it down and then told them? No, but I think that, I mean, first of all, if you want to know what God wants you to do and you ask God, like, some people are going to think they get an answer and some people are going to think they don't get an answer, right? I mean, that's a pretty amorphous way to go and it's not really a way to organize a society. But if you put down all of these things in a, you know, on some stone tablets, for example, and you have a couple of different categories of how these laws work, then I think it makes a lot more sense. Perhaps.
Starting point is 01:12:41 But we can say, okay, let's look at this. Don't do that. Don't do this. Sure. Look at the First Amendment. Blasphemy was illegal in 1789. Okay. We didn't have free speech back then, but we wrote it down, right?
Starting point is 01:12:50 It doesn't mean anything. What matters is it? It is still a social advancement to have these things written down and codified and to have codified laws. So if the First Amendment didn't. protect people from arrest over blasphemy, then what was the function of the First Amendment in 1789? I'm not, I'm not arguing about the First Amendment in 1789. We wrote down in our constitution. It certainly became an advancement over time. Why? In 1789. Why is it an advancement to have written down you have free speech when you'd get arrested for your speech? Well, I think things have
Starting point is 01:13:21 changed over time for sure, you know. What was the advancement about it? People are, people are released after having murdered. What was the advancement of writing down free speech when people could still be arrested for their speech? Because people knew what their rights were and they knew what to scream about when they were violated. They did not because the First Amendment is unchanged, but the interpretation has changed dramatically back and forth.
Starting point is 01:13:40 And John Adams was really slammed pretty hard when he started putting into place restrictions on freedom of speech. Yes, it did because people were able to say, you can't do that. We have the First Amendment. And they still arrested people for blasphemy and obscenity. Sure. And things change over time. And people can fight it.
Starting point is 01:13:57 Indeed. It was ever intended as a total free-for-all that you can just say anything. The point is the founding father said, we must have the rights to freedom of speech. And then everyone went, of course, the ability to express your opinion on matters political is an absolute if we are going to have a new nation. Hence, we wouldn't have had this country because the king was shutting us down. Agreed. And then someone went, I don't like Jesus. And they were like, arrest him.
Starting point is 01:14:22 Arrest him. And they did. So it was not. It was not free speech. It was what they were arguing. I think you should arrest people now. What they had argued was the First Amendment only applied insofar as your opinion was well within the Overton window of the colonies at the time. Well, I agree with that.
Starting point is 01:14:39 But if you look back, I think the way that we've interpreted the first, the second, whatever amendment you want to bring into the 10th Amendment recently with States. I mean, you can go on and on on all of these. But the reality is I think culture and time also influence a lot of. how we interpreted a lot of these things. Let's just remember that these documents and these laws were written approximately 250 years ago and established to start the great idea that is the constitutional republic of the United States. So the problem with it is, I mean, I'm a free speech absolutist, but I do believe we have to have guardrails and moral conscience guardrails on what we say. For instance, the lovely morbidly obese teacher who was doing, you know, I think that
Starting point is 01:15:23 There should be reprimanded. There should be social consequences to that. So let me tell you guys, a funny story about West Virginia. Do you know that alcohol is illegal in West Virginia completely? Oh, it's a dry state? It's a, it's, it's, it is prohibited under the Constitution. You cannot drink alcohol. You cannot manufacture or, I'm sorry, you can't manufacture or sell alcoholic beverages in the state of West Virginia.
Starting point is 01:15:46 Is there no alcohol here at all? There's tons. No, I'm saying, legally, can you buy it in stores? Yeah, it's at 7.11. Now, now, how does this make sense? You explain that. Because what happened was in 1914, they said we are going to ban alcohol, we're going to prohibit it, codified it in the Constitution of the state. And then later on, when prohibition
Starting point is 01:16:05 gets lifted, you get a bunch of politicians in West Virginia being like, but we banned it in the Constitution. So what do we do? We have to ratify our Constitution again. And one member of Congress goes, actually, the Constitution says you cannot manufacture or sell in top intoxicating liquors. Clearly that doesn't mean ethyl alcohol because it's not toxic. It's just
Starting point is 01:16:33 makes you bubbly. Clearly, the intent of the Constitution was to ban wood alcohol or isopropal alcohol, right? Those are the intoxicating liquors. And they went, oh, we can drink beer again. Writing it down
Starting point is 01:16:49 in the Constitution literally did nothing because the body politic of West Virginia said, now we have beer. And I'll tell you this. West Virginia explicitly bans gambling. There's a casino 15 minutes away. Yeah, there's five. Greenbrier has one as well. That's not 15 minutes away. That's a few hours. West Virginia has five locations that were granted exempt status by the state in violation of its constitution to allow gambling. Well, just like New York. New York now has this huge concession. We have three, I think, casinos, yonkers, Catskills, and Queens. But they're just slots, right?
Starting point is 01:17:25 Oh, no, I'm sorry. Then Jake's 58 out on Suffolk County. What's the Empire? That's Yonkers. That's Yonkers. And they're opening Caesar's Times Square. Well, that's the thing. Now that the state got three full casino licenses,
Starting point is 01:17:38 and it was just like a nightmare, a knife phrase. I think Caesar's Times Square is the worst idea. I think it is the war. You know what the level of loitering that is going to take place in Caesar's Times Square? It's going to reverse all of Giuliani's good work entire. Let me just put it this way. We're doing Bally's Chicago on the river. I'll put it this way.
Starting point is 01:17:55 It is going to literally be the epicenter of homeless drug addicts that are going to go nuts in there. They're going to all come back. Times Square, Caesars. Dude, Times Square Crown Plaza. I was at the, I was at a cocktail party once. Like, the homeless people were just loitering into the lobby. When they bring in Caesar, they're going to be cops surrounding Times Square. And they already are.
Starting point is 01:18:19 Yes, but like, but it's going to get shot. Yeah. But it's going to get. There's going to be a heavy hammer when Cesar's is put in. Well, not if we have Jimavara Light. No, no, no, no. No, wait. The amount of money that Cesar's going to make for the state or for the city in general
Starting point is 01:18:33 and taxes, it's going to be absolutely insane. But the Zora Mondami comprehend that. That's a bigger question. He wants to slash the NYPD, which, by the way, is down 14,000 officers since 2020. Let me ask you, from 47,000 to 33. Let me ask you. What do you think Zara Mondani wants? What he wants?
Starting point is 01:18:51 His own personal Ivana utopia in the middle of New York City. Okay. But with 9, 10 million people, it doesn't work. What I see these communists, people like Zoran, you see all these videos where he does these fake accents. He's always talking different. He's always saying different things. He wants power.
Starting point is 01:19:07 So if someone says, this casino is going to generate a billion dollars a year, put money in your pocket. He's going to be like, how many cops do you need? These are the people that said defund the police. And then when the police arrested Trump supporters, they clapped and sheared. Well, I guess you're right. Because at the end of the day, then he'll be. have a slush fund to fund his free buses and his supermarkets in the city by the government.
Starting point is 01:19:26 I don't think he actually cares about those things. He's lying for power. And just like Brandon Johnson, those things are never going to happen. He lives in a rent, stabilized apartment and goes to $500 dinners. So I get it. I saw pictures of him at the other night on Instagram. I saw pictures of him. Oh, $500 dinner. Yeah. Perfectly embodies. I mean, because he's from Uganda. He perfectly embodies the way that the third world conducts their societies. And that's just like The truth of the matter is, he will do anything. Like, you read through his policy and everyone's scratching their heads. Like, these policies don't make any sense.
Starting point is 01:19:56 I'm like, that's the point. It's not supposed to. There's nothing cohesive. He just cares about power. And this is the way that third world societies are structured. From Africa with love, my friend. Quite literally, it's insane. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:20:08 So it's like, oh, great job. Our immigration policy, now we've imported dick. So let's zoom out. Let's zoom out. The problem we have right now in the United States and the culture war is that there are two distinct moral worldviews. The two parent factions, I describe, or actually I should say a quote to Stephen Marsh, who said this, the multicultural democracy and the constitutional republic. We here all represent the constitutional republic and the left we would describe as the multicultural democracy.
Starting point is 01:20:32 They have an entirely different moral worldview. I believe it's a cult, and their moral worldview is literally just marching locks up with dear leader. But that's the issue. What we write down in our laws doesn't matter. Why? Well, immigration, for instance, is heavily regulated and codified by Congress. ICE goes to enforce the law and Democrats do everything they can to obstruct that. So Democrats are acting in, I would describe it as an insurrection or seditious conspiracy.
Starting point is 01:20:59 They're perversively interpreting the 10th Amendment to fit their agenda, right, when they do all these state different policies of, oh, no, ice, ice-free city. Sanctuary cities are technically illegal in the Constitution of the United States. It's the overarching document that, I guess, the Supreme Law of the Land. However, because of the 10th Amendment, they've been able to override that at state levels like New York State, sanctuary state. It doesn't make any sense, though, because the Constitution also says federal law supersedes state law. Exactly, which really tosses away. What does it matter? What does it matter that we wrote down these laws and codified them as our formal system if Democrats are doing everything to stop it from happening?
Starting point is 01:21:40 They are aiding and abetting criminals. They're creating ice trackers. They are telling their police to arrest conservatives who oppose them, and they're threatening to arrest police who are trying to enforce the laws we caught a fight. Shout out to an exorter for that, by the way. If it wasn't for an extorter, Portland, we wouldn't know what was going on there. So this is the issue. I'd like to give credit to Katie Davis Court from the Post-Mennel who was covering it since June. We are acting like, we need to write down to make sure these laws are upheld, but we all know why immigration must be enforced properly.
Starting point is 01:22:10 and even though we all wrote it down, the Democrats are saying, we don't care that you wrote it down. We're to do whatever we want. Because the issue is, what will your culture accept? That's ultimately what it comes down to. And then when we get into the argument about,
Starting point is 01:22:23 I make this question very simple. If I go to your house and jump in through the window, would you find that to be acceptable or do you want me to go through the front door? So when I was a congressman, I went to tour the border, and I asked that to actually detainees in El Paso and San Diego, of course, you come in through the door,
Starting point is 01:22:40 And like, then why did you come through the back window of our country? And like, these guys looked at me like, oh, but you have to. I'm like, no, dude, this is my home. What are you doing here? Like, this is not how you come in. And, well, you got to understand. And I was running away from tigers in the Amazon. I'm like, oh, there's tigers in the Amazon now.
Starting point is 01:22:56 It was just like wild. The most wildest thing. Like, you can't equate this. And they tell you and they try to tell you all these sob stories. I walk from Colombia to the United States. I'm like, oh, you're one. How long did it take three months? Like, nobody told you to do that.
Starting point is 01:23:11 Who invited you? They're given scripts from NGOs. I mean, of course they are. Like, I saw it firsthand. I was, shout out to Vishboro, who was my operations director, who literally, literally we were there. He's like, look, look, boss, those guys are instructing the immigrants on the other side of the fence, Americans in Mexico, funded by USAID, say danger and don't say anything else. And we saw it with our own eyes. It's just, like, nuts.
Starting point is 01:23:37 Well, there's this, there's this Eritrean migrant. who went to Sweden, I think it was Sweden, he raped a girl. He spent three years in prison for having raped her, and he wasn't deported because the court of appeals said that the rape didn't last. The duration of the event was not long enough. And so he's not being deported
Starting point is 01:23:56 because he didn't rape her for long enough for it to be considered a serious crime under apparently a UN agreement from 1951. There is more of the story because I was trying to find the details of the case that the way Sweden defines rape is not the way and the way we do. Apparently, you've got to correct me on this one
Starting point is 01:24:15 because all I read was a cursory summary of it. It said that there was no penetration. So the rape... It's like the E. Jean Carroll version. No, no, no, like, I want to be clear here. Apparently, she was sexually assaulted in some way that wasn't what we would describe as rape. But we didn't say to describe it some other way.
Starting point is 01:24:29 Again, he should have never been a lot of the country in the first place. I'm not trying to defend it. I'm trying to say a lot of people think it's like he pinned her down and, you know. Well, there's the case in the U.K. I think it's, I'm not sure if it's Pakistan or Bangladeshi where he actually raped a young girl. And the courts literally slapped him on the wrist and said, well, you know, culturally, taking women by force is okay where they come from.
Starting point is 01:24:53 Like, this literally is happening. It is insanity. So I wanted to say to you earlier when you said, well, the U.K. doesn't have an actual constitution. Well, we can tell. That's why we can't even have steak knives in London. So it's like, it's chaotic. Like, we ought to put the laws. What bothers me the most is when I was in Congress,
Starting point is 01:25:08 I would hear people like Tony Gonzalez, Mr. Amnesty, say, oh, I want to pass more laws. I'm like, dude, we already have immigration laws that are not enforced. Like, we have all these laws on the books that are not enforced, but we continuously want to put more, I know what's your point. It's just infuriating because every single thing that you hear these people pander to create profiles for themselves really, stems from ignorance. We have so many
Starting point is 01:25:38 members of Congress that don't even know the laws on the book. So here's where we are right now. Insane. We propose the same law. We as a body politic recognized there are bad things happening in our country and the law is not being enforced. We tried saying we're going to write these things down and post the sign so you all know we're going to do it.
Starting point is 01:25:54 Democrats responded with, we literally don't care what you think is illegal. We're going to allow drugs. We're going to create injection sites. We're going to allow illegal immigrants. We're going to arrest anyone who opposes us. And if your law enforcement comes in, we'll arrest them too. And that's where we're currently at right now,
Starting point is 01:26:10 threatening to arrest our law enforcement for enforcing the law. Writing it down did not change the culture of the multicultural democracy. The only thing that's going to change it is if Donald Trump, like I got to be honest, guys, looking at everything, I think the only solution is reconstruction.
Starting point is 01:26:25 Oh, I agree. Sending the National Guard into these blue cities and removing people from power and having new elections, rewriting this stuff. Because you've got corruption, people are fleeing, these places and all that's left are the ignorant communists to keep empowering communists, and we are going to have a civil war. Let me, let me, let me, let me simplify it. California
Starting point is 01:26:46 goes insane. Conservatives leave and go to Arizona. This creates a excuse things more and more in the direction of the left because Democrats don't leave. This guarantees the entrenchment will be further and further left and you will get a government that is absolutely far left. That far left government will eventually oppose your moderate American state or federal government. Eventually, they'll threaten to arrest or harm your law enforcement or your troops are coming in. So what did Abraham Lincoln do? He suspended habeas corpus. I want to make sure everyone understands it. I got an argument with Grock. So we got to understand this, okay? And I got an argument with Grock intentionally because these large language models are built on the corporate press narrative
Starting point is 01:27:24 machine, which are intent on lying to you. The civil war started at Fort Sumter in, I believe it was like March of, what was it? Was it March of, it might have been April. Maybe it was April. April of 1861. A couple weeks after that, Abraham Lincoln suspended habeas corpus. We were still not in the actual civil war. Historically, we say Fort Sumter started it, but it was actually two months later at the first Battle of Bull Run where people were picnicking on the hillside as Confederate and Union forces were about to fight because they were like, there's no civil war. not a real thing. So the question then is, under what authority did Abraham Lincoln suspend habeas corpus? He didn't. He didn't have it. Congress retroactively voted to approve his suspension of
Starting point is 01:28:13 habeas corpus two years later. Two years. Yeah, pronunctumk was what they had to do, which is in lieu this in lieu of that in Latin, that's what it would be called. After they- George Bush a whole bunch of extra powers too. So my point is this, right now Donald Trump could suspend habeas corpus and the precedent would be the exact same as Abraham Lincoln. I am sending troops into states that are in rebellion against federal law and these troops are going to make sure the law is being upheld and enforced. And we're suspending habeas corpus to protect them from saboteurs because ICE has been shot at, they've been rammed, they've been attacked. The pretext for Abraham Lincoln suspension of habeas corpus was the potential for sabotage from Confederate sympathizers.
Starting point is 01:28:56 Lincoln then arrested members of the Maryland legislature. All of this before it was called the Civil War. It wasn't until around 1863. People in this country said, we are in a civil war. So understand where we're at right now, where no one's calling it a civil war, what it would look like is Trump goes on TV today and says, we have made several attempts to send in National Guard to these jurisdictions to aid our ICE law enforcement. here is here a eight usc 1324 clearly makes this illegal the american people voted for it we are
Starting point is 01:29:29 sending in these troops however far left terrorists have been attacking our personnel sabotaging vehicles railroad tracks and shooting at our law enforcement officers ramming them in vehicles so we are going to suspend habeas corpus on the highways when these vehicles are in transport meaning we can arrest you for any reason if he did that it would be identical precedent to what abraham Lincoln did when he suspended habeas corpus along the railways from from uh pennsylvania through Maryland into DC two years after two years later when Trump wins Congress will then say we here by vote that Trump was right to do it the whole time so I'll see this look I'm all for it I don't disagree I just feel like we're in a we're in a crossroads in this country where we can sit
Starting point is 01:30:13 here and talk and ponder and demagogue all we want about it the reality is when are we actually going to do all of these things because Trump. Well, it's not even just Trump. It's like, will President Trump have the backing of a spineless Congress? No, I mean, the Congress isn't doing anything. It's really been horrifying to watch. It's absolutely atrocious
Starting point is 01:30:32 because, unfortunately, and I'm saying this to the detriment. I mean, there's good members, but. There's great members. Look, Congress feels like a rubber stamp to the president's agenda. That is absolutely insane to even say that. Why, the one big, beautiful bill just was totally the mega agenda. That's one bill.
Starting point is 01:30:48 The one big, beautiful. That's fine. But every single president gets their marquee bill passed. I mean, Biden did, Obama did, Trump did. Biden had his inflation climate. Yeah, there's nothing. And they're all BBBs at this point, right? But my point is it has nothing to do with that. That's not a rubber stamp. A rubber stamp would be Trump calling them and saying, we're going to do martial law. We need congressional support. Rubber, it's not going to happen. He doesn't need it. Well, he doesn't need it, but it would be, again, because then they'd call him a king, right? Because he skipped the legislator. And what did they say to Lincoln? They're going to call him whatever they were anyway. And shot him in the back. I understand.
Starting point is 01:31:23 Well, I don't want that happening to Trump, right? Agreed. My point is Abraham Lincoln was called a dictator, a tyrant. He was evil. I mean, look, seven states seceded from the Union. And there were four other states that were two to one in favor of the Union until Lincoln sent troops into the South. They said, holy crap, Lincoln is a tyrant.
Starting point is 01:31:41 We are seceding to, it's out of hand. And then Lincoln won. And he sent in the troops for reconstruction. So the precedent of what happened in the Civil War with all of these liberals who would also agree, Abraham Lincoln, the greatest president we've ever had. It's like, okay, wait until you see what that looks like. Because we can talk about this. Here's a question for you, George. And it's not a trick question.
Starting point is 01:32:02 Oh, go ahead. Who are the good guys in the Civil War? To me, the union. Most people are going to say the, almost all people are going to say the union. So when Sherman, so Abraham Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus, he threatened journalists with the rest, he threatened. Supreme Court justices with arrest. He arrested members of the Maryland legislature. He arrested northern sympathizers with the Confederacy. He sent troops in, obviously, we know he did that. He jailed members of Congress. Members of Congress were expelled, right? And he jailed members of Congress.
Starting point is 01:32:31 I agree with everything you're saying, right? So, so, and then we had Sherman who marched to the sea, raising farmlands, massacring civilians, destroying railroads, making sure they couldn't eat. And boy, if you go down south, nobody forgot Sherman. And they're the good guys. slavery was bad, and the South was trying to secede. So the scorched earth war tactics of Sherman, massacring civilians, burning down farms, raising, just destroying generations of homes, even among people who are not involved, was a necessary, they said, you know what, punish them, make sure they feel the pain. Well, they were studying examples, right?
Starting point is 01:33:08 Which I disagree. And again, these are barbaric tactics of war, but then I always remind people when we talk about war and war times. what's the number one currency of war? And everybody looks at me like, what do you mean? Currency weapons? I'm like, no, death. Like, that's the number one currency. That's the toll of war, right?
Starting point is 01:33:23 People are going to die. So again, and tactics are in some cases, some cases. We've heard a lot of testimony in Congress about Afghanistan and Iraq and some things that are reprehensible that were done by our troops that we have to sit here and be like, well, that's not good, you know? And I love our veterans. And I love the fact that we're out there for freedom and what. whatnot. But I agree. It's always going to be tough. In war, we're always going to have people
Starting point is 01:33:49 who, I mean, go back to World War II. There's people who think that, you know, Hitler was right. And I think it's nuts. When I hear that, I'm like, who? Who thinks this was good, you know? And I have to debate this. I've debated this in prison, actually, where somebody came and said, you know, Hitler wasn't too wrong. I'm like, your certifiable stay away from me. And the person continued to antagonize me. And it was like this whole blown out debate. So you're going to crazy or people who sympathize with wrong regardless. My point is simply the only thing it needs to happen for Trump
Starting point is 01:34:21 to win is Trump decides to escalate his tactics and then he has to succeed in his strategies. After that, history is written by the victors, Trump can't write whatever he wants. In the event, Democrats decide to go full bore against Trump, which I believe they already did, and I believe they're losing. But if they do succeed, they will just
Starting point is 01:34:37 simply write that they were the good guys and they won. The rest of us go to prison. The Democrats will never be the good guys. Lerreightfoot saying, Laurie Lightfoot, you know, Chicago's former Democrat mayor. She launched... Oh, Beetlejuice. Yeah, she launched the...
Starting point is 01:34:48 I forgot about her. She just launched the ICE accountability project where she's calling basically to docks all ice agents. She's like, we're going to put up pictures of what they look like and what they're wearing and their shoes and their cars and where they live. And then she had the nerve to say it wasn't doxing. But this is what she's doing. And you also have, what was it like some people in the house are putting together a website to track all ice enforcement across the country.
Starting point is 01:35:17 Well, that's just criminal. Well, it is criminal, and you also had the Ice Tracker app, which was removed from Google and Apple stores on the, you know, their app stores. But now we have lawmakers actually doing this stuff. And to your point, Tim, I don't think that the president has the stomach to do any of that stuff. And I don't think the Republicans have the stomach for any of it either. They certainly don't when it comes to the House. They can't even, like, get the government back open.
Starting point is 01:35:44 and to get air traffic. That's a Senate. That's a Democrat. That's all on Schumer. We do talk of accountability. Who's going to hold Lori Lightfoot accountable for looking like an absolute mess, destroying Chicago? And what is that on her head?
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Starting point is 01:36:08 at rumble.com slash timcast, IRL. You don't want to miss it. Don't forget. We've got an event coming up. DC Comedyloft.com. Click events. Look for us, November 8th, Alex Stein, Emily Saves America, Myron Gaines, and Brian Shapiro dating in the modern era. That's the debate. But for now, we'll grab your rants and chats from everybody else. C.B. says the left worships kindness. If you disagree with their definition of that or think we should prioritize something else,
Starting point is 01:36:35 you're a Nazi. I don't know that kindness is the right word. It's likeness. Do what they say or else. Ray Jess says if your fantasy league team isn't pulling through for you, you can just claim that the mob bribed them to throw the game. How do we think this will affect sports betting moving forward? It'll clean it up, I think. Did you see where on ESPN today they were breaking the story? And on their Kairon on the bottom, they have their ESPN bet, like Kairon advertisement. And they just took it off like in the middle of the segment.
Starting point is 01:37:05 And it's just like a gray box there. Like some PA got chewed out like, dude, no, no, get it off. There's nothing there. It was like, all right, guys. Shane Halders, as a sports fan, we've talked about games being rigged for ages. The NBA is not surprised and we see how many easy baskets are missed. Don't even get me started on the flopping like you got fouled. Oh, everyone's talked about football for ages too.
Starting point is 01:37:25 I watch so many conspiracy theory videos. And they say that the NFL is sports entertainment. That's how it's actually registered, which means they're legally allowed to rig the games. So that explains Aaron Rogers and the Jets first, like, what, 30 seconds? I was there for that. That was really painful. You were there. people think?
Starting point is 01:37:43 Oh, I'm sorry. Shane H. Wobber says, even I will admit my beloved Astros cheated to win the World Series. With the middle name of Houston, I can't just switch teams. Yeah. Is that what happened with the Astros? The Astros, so typically when you're stealing signs, it just means you have someone on second base.
Starting point is 01:38:00 Well, they had a TV in the dugout, and they had a trash can, and they would bang on the trash can to signal signs to the batter. So he would know if they were watching on TV. Yes, they were watching on TV. So the batter would know if it's a pitch worth of time. I don't think that's the first time that happened. either.
Starting point is 01:38:13 Well, I mean, yeah. I mean, there's ways of stealing signs. So, did they get in trouble for that? Yeah. Oh. As far as they didn't vacate the World Series, I don't think. There was another, there was another situation where, you know how they started micing everybody who's on the field?
Starting point is 01:38:29 And so people were watching the game and they could hear the coaches talking about. Yeah, yeah. But stealing signs always been, I think that usually have someone on second base. And he's just sitting there because the catcher's signing pitches. You watch it. Yeah. But this was like egregious because you could listen back through all the broadcast. and you're boom, boom, boom, and then Altuve would just knock a home run.
Starting point is 01:38:46 So, wild stuff. All right. Chad's up net says, we're a few days late, but baby girl number three was born last Saturday. Moved to Texas from California last year, bought more guns. Keep it up, Timcast and crew. We appreciate everything you do. Congrats. Welcome to the world patriot.
Starting point is 01:39:04 Madcap Falcons says, awesome to see one of the greatest congressmen of all time. Question for Santos, how many Chi-Chi's you ate in prison you look chunky? Chee-chees? What's a Chi-Changa? I don't know what that is. What the hell's a Chi-Chi? Look, no, actually, I lost weight, so I do, I, I, F you. How is the food?
Starting point is 01:39:24 The food was really bad. I mean, you know what? There were days that it was not descriptive, non-descriptive. I felt like they just opened, like, cans of friskeys and dumped it. I'm just like, yeah, my cat. Did you get in any fights? No, oh, yeah, like, I mean, oh, no. I mean, sharp tongue, like, I could get into verbal argument.
Starting point is 01:39:40 Were there a lot of fights? No, not really. wasn't a, I went to a camp, right? So it's like camp cupcake. Like, I'm not even kidding. It's like a bunch of like white collar whiny guys. And then a bunch of like old drug dealers who've been doing so much long time that they're like at the tail end of their sentences and they're not going to miss up. Right. It's like literally Camp Buttercup. And then there was this one really eccentric Jewish guy there, which was very fun. It wasn't you? No, it wasn't me. I'm ish. So there's this actually really conservative Jewish guy there who really managed. And to get some guys to completely convert only to have the kosher meal. Okay. And you didn't get the kosher meal. I did not get it. You didn't believe you in the jail?
Starting point is 01:40:24 I just didn't want to do it. I said, I think this is going to help with my rehabilitation going on kosher. So let's just not do that. But it was really bad food. Did you have to run? You didn't have to run with a gang. Nobody asked with you? Oh, yeah, sure.
Starting point is 01:40:35 I joined the gang. I thought that's what you had to do in prison. Oh, I have like this tattoo. No. That's what they do in the TV shows. Kemp prison. Chocolate moose, right? That's what they have at Camp Cupcake.
Starting point is 01:40:46 Lucas Sorses, Mary is correct. Laws help inform morality and morality influences laws. Giving people a structure to base their life on is actually good. Let me phrase it like this. I don't care for laws. I care for God's laws.
Starting point is 01:40:59 I think that a religious moral structure is a legitimate means of writing something down. I believe that humans getting into a room and then writing down what they think is important and matters for other people won't make the other people. won't make the other people do what they want them to do unless they already shared the intrinsic moral worldview. But I'm also saying that the law can influence
Starting point is 01:41:20 whether or not society has those common principles. The law teaches. I think the Bible teaches. I think Christian moral tradition teaches, and I think the laws... The civil law also does. I don't agree. I think civil law is derivative of moral worldview,
Starting point is 01:41:39 and this is a Christian nation founded by people of a Christian moral tradition. And if you did not have that worldview, you would not care for the laws that were written because you'd view them as others, which is what we're experiencing now. Yeah, like in order for the Constitution to make any sense you to be participating in the culture in which the Constitution was written, and that's where the breakdown comes. Like, with the Second Amendment. You need to be participating in the culture around the Second Amendment with the First Amendment. Like, that's just how this works, and it's all derivative of natural law.
Starting point is 01:42:07 We gave Liberia the American Constitution. Right. It didn't work. Yeah. You have to be a participant in that original, like, Oron McIntyre and Tucker talked about this recently. And Oron pointed to that sort of original sort of Anglo-Protestant culture is something that you kind of have to sort of gel in. We tried bringing it to Afghanistan as well. It didn't work.
Starting point is 01:42:27 Vietnam. It didn't work. To the extent that we can still describe this country as having a Christian culture, it's one that's inherited, not earned by. the people who enjoy it. And we inherited laws that, of course, were written, originally and codified by Christians. Agreed. Devout Christians. And that's why I'm saying.
Starting point is 01:42:47 And we enjoy the benefits of that. And it informs what little we have left of Christian morality in this country, even among people who don't identify as Christians. I think that you could get rid of 99% of laws if everyone was actually a devout Christian. Because the laws are already in the Bible. There's already the teachings. is already what people know to follow. I mean, historically...
Starting point is 01:43:09 We wrote down these laws, and in Dearborn, Michigan, the Muslims are still chopping off lady parts. The law, I mean, the Constitution was designed mostly lecturing the government rather than the people. I mean, this is obviously because it stems from, like, the Magna Carta. And, like, when the Magna Carta was established, that was more putting restrictions on the king.
Starting point is 01:43:24 Because, like, in pre-Norman English society, it was very, like, free for all. Right, the point being that when the founding fathers were like, we all agree we have a right to free speech, you, government, you can't infringe upon it. Clearly we don't mean blasphemy, though. They didn't write down. They didn't mean blasphemy.
Starting point is 01:43:41 So the point is we wrote these laws, derivative of the Christian moral tradition. And that's why these laws don't matter to people in Dearborn, Michigan, because they're Islamic. They follow Sharia. So you've got all these stories of young girls getting their, you know, female circumcision is a problem in these areas. You've got Sharia patrols. They don't care what our laws say. And Democrats don't either. if they don't share the moral tradition of Christianity,
Starting point is 01:44:07 they're literally going to be like, you can write down whatever you want. And here's a better way to put... We have a Sharia patrols in New York City, by the way. Sure, but here's a better way to put it. There's also Jewish patrols. Let me ask you guys a question. If the town you live in, Mary,
Starting point is 01:44:20 passed a law, okay, Mary, if the town you live in passed a law saying women weren't allowed to go outside without being accompanied by a man anymore, you'd wear a burqa, would you agree with that law and say, okay, or would you be like, no? What would it mean for me to say no? go outside and walk around and do whatever you want to defy the law and then get arrested
Starting point is 01:44:37 maybe you get arrested or maybe they'd ticket you but you'd be would you defy the law in any way regards to the consequences probably but but they wrote it down why isn't that informing you like why are why wouldn't you owe in what I mean is you know historically in and you're right that when people share the same religious foundation that informs their morality they don't need to be policed and it's mostly self-enforced but historically in societies mostly comprised of devout believing Christians, they still did codify Christian morality into law. And it still mattered that they codified it. So the issue that the way I see it is, largely it was not in smaller communities as their
Starting point is 01:45:23 morality was already informed by the Bible and the community was small enough to where they basically knew what you could and couldn't get away with. As society started growing and becoming When society got big, they said, we're going to start writing things down, Congress, things like that. But everyone still largely agreed with the gist of it. That's why I say 95% of laws, because there's certainly, there's like property rights and how tall can your sign be. These are very, these are getting in the weeds. But when you started going multicultural, writing things down did not matter. Writing the law down to inform morality, the point where I disagree with it is the ideas of what is the true moral worldview we have.
Starting point is 01:46:03 have come from the Christian world tradition. Whether any atheist wants to agree or not, doesn't matter because it's a fact. We have a Christian world tradition. Our amendments are rooted in things like Blackstone's formulation, the precedent set by Christians and the teachings of the Bible. And you don't have to be a Christian to follow those things. However, we then start getting multicultural society. When we wrote these laws down, like your flag can only be 20 feet high, it was because people of the shared moral worldview were like, okay, I get it. if I want to challenge this, here's the process by which we have, we settle our disagreements and what we can or can't do pertaining to certain laws. So we ban some things, we ban some other
Starting point is 01:46:39 things. We say, okay, right, that's minutia of morality. That is not the overarching moral worldview. Now you're bringing in Asian cultures, Middle Eastern cultures, Islam is a great example, and their moral worldview is so far at odds with the Christian moral tradition. They're like, we literally don't care what you write down. We will not follow that. They understand we are telling these people, we as the Constitutional Republic of America will lock you up and throw away the key if you violate what we've written down. So their response is make sure they don't catch you. Yeah. Well, I mean, even beyond just the Christian, because there's, we're introducing two pieces to the recipe here is the, the Christian component and whatnot. But even like you said
Starting point is 01:47:20 Liberia is an example. I mean, Liberia is a predominantly Christian country. So there has to be that cultural element is like absolutely necessary in combination. And they eat each other with the Christian combination. Right, exactly. So it's like America, fundamentally is like a western country. So it's like the Christian, it is true that is part of the recipe, but it has to be in combination with the cultural background of the people as well, or it won't work. I mean, Liberia, Exhibit A. And same like Kenya.
Starting point is 01:47:45 I mean, Kenya inherited pretty much all of theirs from Britain. And they're fundamentally different for Britain, not anymore, but they used to be fundamentally different from Britain. Let's grab some more of your chats and carrying the conversation. Maloneya Mama says, heard a theory that the droning of these boats is not about narco, terrorism or regime changed. Iran and China are running operatives out of Venezuela. They plan to activate cells in the U.S. when they're ready to take Taiwan in 2027. I wouldn't be surprised. Oh, that's a theory. I actually espoused when I was still into house because of the immigration.
Starting point is 01:48:17 So many Chinese nationals at the border, it strikes me odd because they don't have a hard time getting visas to come here in China. They don't actually need to come here illegally. The fact that they're coming in here illegally, they were trying to be undetected, just like we've learned throughout the years that they like to be undetected in here to activate. And I concur with that. I don't think it's a conspiracy. I think that's a fact. And I just think it's a matter of time that we're going to learn the fact. And it's going to be very uncomfortable. And I love the fact that it's going to be Joe Biden's legacy that we're going to have to fix. Do you support the president drone striking these narco-terrorist boats off of the coast of
Starting point is 01:48:56 I wish he would hire me to do the operation? I'd sit in a control room playing, like, what's the name of that game back, like that very old game that, like, you would shoot? Gallagia? Battleship. Not battleship. I'm saying a little shooter that you shoot aliens.
Starting point is 01:49:12 There you go. I would sit there in a control room literally playing alien invaders shooting every. Well, I made this game. There you go. I'm going to... 71% of Americans support this cartel action. Are you kidding?
Starting point is 01:49:25 I'm shocked. It's not 100. I got to, I have to wait to the uncensored portion of the show. to explain my video game to former representative Sandozia. You'll enjoy it. So give us eight minutes.
Starting point is 01:49:35 Let's read some more. Dr. Rick says $5,000 head-to-head Texas Holden between you and me with a one-time $5,000 reload here in Yonkers on a Friday night, live broadcast it on your podcast. It'll be an education in how to play poker. I'm going to say no. Don't go to Yonkers. I'm going to say no.
Starting point is 01:49:52 I'm going to say no for a couple reasons. It's not called head-to-head. It's called heads-up. and I guess Reload is technically correct, but you could say re-buy. So I'll let that one slide, I suppose. But when you didn't say heads-up match, I fear that you may only think you're good at poker. Don't go to Yonkers. Hads-up feels like a different game than...
Starting point is 01:50:15 Heads-up is what it's called when it's only two players. Yeah, it feels different than like... Oh, it's very different. I actually, I love playing heads-up. Oh, I don't. It's a much more difficult... I'm not used to the ranges on heads-up. You play cards?
Starting point is 01:50:29 I fall short of the glory of God, so yes. You literally patronized us for an entire moment of this. You play cards. You should do better than me. Be better than me. Actually, shut up. This dude literally busted our chops for like a solid 20 minutes of this show to only turn around and say he plays cards.
Starting point is 01:50:51 You are so full of... As I say, not as I do it. I didn't say I don't play poker. Wait, it's a skill game. It's not gambling. away with rules for D, but not for me. It's a game of skill, actually, Santos. Can you build us a parlay for tonight? I don't know. Maybe. I don't do. Just, I only do skill-based games. No blackjack. I am so mad at you right now. I'm just kidding there, Dr. Rick. I don't
Starting point is 01:51:13 think I want to play. So I played the World Poker Tour stream. I'm getting invited. I'm a pro-poker player now. I get invited to these games. But I don't like playing high-stakes poker. So they reached out and they said they want to play a 510 game. That's $5.10 big blinds. And then I said, what's the max buy? And I said, there isn't one. And I'm like, dude, I'm not going to sit down the tablework. I put 20 grand in front of me. Like, I'm not playing. And so we, they said, okay, we'll do five. How's five grand sound? And even that I'm like, I guess. I ended up losing $7,000. I just ran as miserably as possible. And I called shenanigans that they put Doug Polk to my left. But that, I'm just kidding about. But now I got invited to a $25.50 game.
Starting point is 01:51:55 Do you know what that is? They think you're their whale. That's what's going on. Oh, bro, I'm tiny compared to these players. Okay. Dude, I got invited to a game in Vegas, a show with pros, and their buy-ins are going to be like $25,000. And they're like, you could buy in for $5 or $10.
Starting point is 01:52:12 I'm like, I'm not playing a game that big, dude. I usually play $2.5 is my game. It's not the lowest stakes, but it's like basically second lowest lowest at any poker room. And usually you buy in for like $1,000 or $2,000. So it can be big bets, but it's a stable game. Low stakes is, it's insanity. You know, the thing about poker that frustrates me is it's so easy to intimidate somebody
Starting point is 01:52:38 on a bluff. Like, you described it perfectly earlier. The thing I like about blackjack is I sit at the bare minimum stakes table, $50 minimum hands, but I play like an absolute 50. Well, we got 15 out here, bro. Well, I'm saying I play high limits because of the hand shuffles. Less decks, you only get six decks instead of eight decks. Right, right, right.
Starting point is 01:52:57 So your odds are, what, 104 cards less. The edge is lower for the house. Exactly. But I'm not, I'm betting like an absolute animal. And for me, I just find, like, the risk reward is better. And you get a better bang for your buck when you're playing. So I will say, if you're going to play, like roulette's a really great example. I love roulette.
Starting point is 01:53:18 It's so toxic. MGM has, if you go to MGM National Harbor, they have triple. zero. It's awful. Do not play that game. It's a waste of money. Because your minimum bet is going to be, I think, probably $100 inside or outside. But if you go to the high limit room, your minimum bet is 200, single zero. Yep. Meaning you've got like... European roulette. Yeah. I mean, it used to be American until they were like, hey, we can put extra numbers in here and rip people off and they will just keep playing. Yeah. So triple zero is nuts. Yeah, that MGM sign on the wheel like throws me off because then it changes the orders of how you play your numbers and the neighbors. So again, reliance, and it's a great drunk game. If you're not familiar with Triple Zero and you go to MGM, they've got zero, double zero MGM, and you might think it's an emblem. And then it lands on the MGM. You're like, wait, what happened? And they're like,
Starting point is 01:54:07 you lose. And you're like, that's a bad? That happened to me. My birthday in 2023, we celebrated and everybody decides, well, we haven't partied enough. It's 11 o'clock at night. Let's just go to MGM. And I fell exactly for that. Me and a bunch of people fell for it. We didn't realize it. I see a ton of people go like, oh, wait, that was a, I thought it was an emblem. And not to mention, you're betting completely off, right? Because you think you're betting your numbers and their neighbors, and you're just not. They changed the order of the wheel.
Starting point is 01:54:31 It's awful. All right, what do we got here? Pumpkin Spice says, Tim, what would your advice be for someone looking to get into poker? I know the basics of the game and could afford to play with $100 your thoughts. The first thing I would say is... You'll make fun of people like that. No, it's just... Here, Tim will explain why that's dumb.
Starting point is 01:54:49 No, what? The first thing I'd say is download the World Series of Poker. app, it's free. It's a no stakes game, so they give you fake chips to play with, and then you can play. I'd then recommend you watch Lodge, live stream poker, and Hustler Casino Live Poker. However, they play a little wild on those shows intentionally to make them entertaining. I would recommend watching Triton Series or like WPT Tournament Events and the World Series tournament events so you can see how people are playing, the things they're doing. You need to watch a lot. I wouldn't recommend sitting down with $100 having not done any of those things.
Starting point is 01:55:27 If you have a ton of money, the fast and easiest way to learn is sit at a table. Because theoretically, if you go to a casino, it's a one-two game or one-three. Every orbit, maybe, I don't know, that could take 20 minutes. You're going to have to put in $1, or you know, to put in $2, then $1, but you don't have to put any other money in if you don't want to. Theoretically, you could be on the big blind and just accidentally win and take it down. sometimes the blinds will chop because nobody chooses to play, and you can get a feel for the terminology, the rules, what people are saying.
Starting point is 01:55:57 And to a certain degree, people will try to help you because more players is always better for the game and they won't rip you off so long as you choose not to put money in the middle. I would just say play free online versions first, which is not really going to teach you a lot about how advanced strategy is, but you will at least understand the basics of like, oh, I got an ace and a three, and you'll start to learn. If you do want to play with $100, you're in a very weak position. Typically, $100 is the lowest buy-in for any card room. And when you are low, it's called short-stacked, and you're basically going all-in
Starting point is 01:56:30 whenever you decide to make a bet, which it's not very fun. I don't like, then there's also deep stack where you have a massive amount of money relative to the blinds. And I'm not a big, big fan of that, but there is a lot more room for strategy. Here's basically what's going to happen. You're going to look down at a good hand. maybe you have Ace Queen suited. And so you're playing a one-two game.
Starting point is 01:56:51 You say, I'll bet $10. Someone then goes, I'm going to raise to $50. Well, your only option then is to call or go all in. You don't have a lot of options at that point. So you're basically playing for $100. You're like, I got Ace Queen. I'm all in. Who wants to flip for it?
Starting point is 01:57:03 And then there's no real strategy involved. You're just, it's called flipping. So study, always important. All right, let's see. Scott House says, George would be a fun regular on the cast. More Santos, please. George is always welcome to come back. Where are you based out of?
Starting point is 01:57:19 For now, New York. Okay, when you come back whenever you want? Probably not staying there. Are you friends with Milo? Yonopoulos? Yeah. I plead the fifth. All right, all right.
Starting point is 01:57:30 No, I love Milo. I love Milo. I was just saying like... An episode with me and him would be chaotic, though. Exactly. Very chaotic. I was like, we should have you and Milo on because it would just be a cacophony of... Do you know who would be fun to?
Starting point is 01:57:43 Gaines. Well, if we're doing that, then that would be fun. But another person that I think, who literally texted me, said he was here, but it was a day your daughter was born, so he didn't get to meet. She was Kevin Smith, a buddy of mine from Long Island. Oh, right on. Loves you. Very good friend of mine. Shout out to Kevin who's watching.
Starting point is 01:57:59 But, yeah, I'd love to come back. Absolutely. Everybody smash the like button. Share the show. We're going to the Rumble uncensored show over at Timbill.com slash Timcast. IRL. But before you do that, go to Timcast.com. Join our Discord community.
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Starting point is 01:59:30 George, you want to shout anything out. George, Mr. Stantos, N. Y on X. And make sure you go on cameo. I just got Tim to join cameo. So make sure you get your cameos. And I said, I'm very fun. I said, I'll join, but I'm going to charge a lot of money because. No, he's not. He's going to lure it, I promise you.
Starting point is 01:59:49 I'm at Timcast on Cameo. Yeah. How did no one take that? I think it's because you can't. Oh, okay. You can't. You have to be the talent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Unless you're like an impersonator, and then it's like a Tim Cass impersonator.
Starting point is 02:00:03 There is. There is one, charging $10. Hey, doesn't look like him. It's not Tim. Can people impersonate me? I'm a hard guy to impersonate. Well, I mean, this dude put a beanie on and thinks he looks. like you sell, maybe it works. I might try it out. I got to tell George about the video game that I made, but we'll do that after we finish here. Absolutely. Guys, thanks for tuning in. I'm Al-Ahoo Whitehouse correspondent here at Timcast. Mr. Santos, thank you so much for dropping in.
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