Timcast IRL - Netflix Shares TANK, Elon Says BOYCOTT After Writer MOCKS Charlie Kirk Assassination w/ Jason Scoop & Jack Posobiec

Episode Date: October 2, 2025

Tim, Ian & Luke are joined by Jason Scoop & Jack Posobiec to discuss Netflix shares tanking as Elon Musk calls for a boycott over trans content for children, ICE agents to deploy to Super Bowl after Bad Bunny performance announcement, Democrats panic as GOP looks to flip New Jersey, and the FBI ending its partnership with the ADL.   Hosts:  Tim @Timcast (everywhere) Luke @WeAreChange (everywhere) Ian @IanCrossland (everywhere) Serge @SergeDotCom (everywhere) Guests: Jason Scoop @JasonScoop (X) Jack Posobiec @JackPosobiec (X) Podcast available on all podcast platforms!

Netflix shares are tanking after Elon Musk called for a boycott of the platform, A writer for a show that was promoting transgender ideology to children has mocked Charlie Kirk and the assassination. This has resulted in many people spam blasting Twitter saying, cancel your Netflix, showing all the programs that Netflix has that push gender ideology. And I'm just sitting here being like, y'all still have Netflix? I canceled that after the QDies thing. But now apparently they've dropped down a couple percentage points. It's even made it to CNBC. We have other news.

It's kind of funny. It's not a serious, but Bad Bunny got, I guess, chosen for the Super Bowl halftime show and conservatives are questioning this choice because the dude doesn't even sing in English. Well, he claimed he will not do shows in the USA because he's scared of ice showing up. And now we are learning the Trump admin plans to send ice to the Super Bowl halftime show. There's speculation that maybe he will cancel and not do it out of this fear, but we'll see. And then there is some serious news. France has boarded a Russian vessel, believe that they were launching drive.

drones that was interfering with flights over Europe. We don't know necessarily if this is going to be an escalation, but with Article 4 of NATO being called as often as it has in recent history or in the past few weeks with Russia's movements in Europe and violation of airspace, there's a lot of concern that this could lead to an escalation. And then there's some good news, though. It looks like the Republicans have a shot at taking the governor's race in New Jersey. So we'll talk about that and so much more. Before we get started, we got great sponsors. We got beam dream my friends head over to shop b e a m dot com slash tim pool and pick up your beam dream it helps you sleep they got this delicious hot cocoa 15 calories no added sugar mix it with some hot water

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Saving us all from the N-word, right? Which, of course, is nuclear. You know that better than anyone. But it's great to be with you, right? Who are you really? Who am I really? Oh, you want me to break character already? The guy you booked me, said, I want you as Trump.

Oh, I'm Jason Scoop. Follow me. Great to be here. I think everybody gets to see who you are. You're a Donald Trump impersonator. That's right. Comedian, impersonator. I do all the impressions.

Well, keep my time, if people are listening, they may not realize. Who could have fooled them. Yeah, exactly. We could have done the whole episode that way. Cut this out. Cut it in post. People are going to be sending messages.

Did you actually have Trump on this? Oh, my gosh. Wait. Yeah, I do a bunch of impersonations, but Trump has certainly been the most, I would say, lucrative and the one that's really, you know, put me on the map the most. What's the main tactic you do to get it? Oh, boy. I would just say practice makes perfect, you know.

I do it so much. You know, I'm on cameo. So I'll do how many ever cameos a day. And so really, I just get better by accident. I think, no, I think you're starting to sound like Trump naturally. I think so. Because you're getting too into it. And it's like, you're forgetting how to be yourself.

Where are you from in the world? I grew up in Long Island in Levittown. See, there you go. It's always people who are like from the area. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, they can do it the best. So this is going to be fun. I'm sure it'll be funny.

But we got a Jack's back. Jack Spock. I have not left. I'm still here. Just, again, really appreciate everyone coming in. Ian didn't even realize you were here, did the show yesterday, but great pleasure. Great to have you here, brother. You too, man.

I've been thinking about you almost every day, brother. Literally a lot, man. I love you, man. So I appreciate me. I'm working here, man, and do stuff back at you. And I'm Ian Crossland. And Luke, of course, won't leave. Was I asked to leave?

Even if I was, I'm not leaving. The Russian tanker news is pretty crazy. The U.S. just announced that they're going to be providing Ukraine intel for long-range missile inside of Russia, so that's also happening, which is kind of troubling. But anyway, Luke Radowski, YouTube.com, port slash we are changed. Jason is a great follow. Awesome to have all you guys here. And Ian, good to see you too, man.

You too, Luke. I love you too, man. You're fine. You're okay. You're fine. Tim, I love you the most. I'm just kidding, man. You just kidding?

No, it's, I love you all over there. Bro. I got me. All right. Let's get to this story. We have this from CNBC. Fast money. Traders talk Netflix shares dropping after Elon Musk tells people to cancel. Now, with all due respect, it wasn't Elon who started the charge.

I don't believe. Many people were calling for the boycott of Netflix because there's a writer on a show, a children's show that's promoting trans ideology to kids, and this writer had disparaged Charlie Kirkles, plays this from CNBC, if we can. Welcome back to Fast Money. Netflix shares falling over 2% today after Elon Musk urged his followers on X to cancel their subscriptions, Musk taking issue with the presence of a transgender character on one of the streaming platform shows.

He posted canceled Netflix for. for the health of your kids this morning. Our Steve Kovac has more on all of this drama. Steve? Oh, boy, here we go. Look at the power of an Elon Musk tweet, Mel, because the targeted rage of that tweet and of his fans and followers,

they sent Netflix shares down 2% today after Mespa spent part of his day tweeting about that Netflix show called Dead End Paranormal Park, which features a transgender character. It's an animated show, by the way. Now, I think you guys can see where this is going. Musk called on his followers to cancel Netflix

and said he already did so himself. He also criticized Netflix's DEI policies and pointed to it as another reason to cancel the service. There's also, well, I just want to add, uh, as, as, you know, Elon Musk tweets as I'm like, y'all still had Netflix? So, uh, I canceled it a long time ago. Remember when the cuties things happened? Yeah. I was just like, wow, this is messed up. I've actually never and they, they, they called the advertisement, uh, a, like a mistake. They were like, oh, yeah, it was an error that this bill, like this banner went out. And then all these liberals, were like, cuties was fine.

It was the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the thing I'm off for it was just a mistake. Um, and everyone was like, bro, the whole movie was children. Yeah, at minimum, it was predator bait, and it was extremely disturbing. I'm going to take a bold move today, and I'm going to announced that I'm going to cancel the Netflix account of my friend who I'm stealing that right now that you were stealing Netflix from them sorry well we we have a couple of I want to show you guys this one clip from one of their shows to give you an example of what what they're talking about this is actually an old clip this resulted in another canceling but this is a children's show I believe I could be wrong about an interracial gay couple who

adopted a child a little boy they want to be trans thing that we know about How about you? You learn to get a banana. How about you break out those moves? For your two biggest fans. If you're not sure what to choose, think about all the things you like to do. Just be you. Just be me?

Yep. trying to decide think about all the things you like to do just be you just me me you see I'm of the mind that we need to tell kids

what to do and it's a weird reality this I guess is another divergence between left and right I think you get your kid you're hey you're playing piano you're going to piano tutor and they're going to teach you play piano and the kids are like I don't want to play you're playing piano like you're playing piano like you need to give your

children discipline and make them do things that will be good for them in the future. What the liberals have prescribed with these Netflix shows, what Elon Musk is pointing out is they're saying, you're a blank slate, figure it out yourself. I think you need at least parameters, because if you took a kid and put them in a muddy pit with a bunch of worms, and you're like, you can do whatever you want. The kid's going to start eating worms, and that's going to be his life because that's all there is available. So we haven't actually played the show that Elon's talking about, though, right?

No, let me search for that one. Yeah, because I want to put that one up. But, but no, you're both right. I mean, Tim, you and I were saying earlier on my show, it's like, what if you're, you know, what if a kid came up and said, well, I like to eat pennies and I really want to eat pennies, which by the way, kids will absolutely eat just anything that you leave out. And, Tim, you're, you're, Tim, by the way, you are getting to that point. You're not there yet.

Oh, no, we're there. Oh, you're there. You are there. It happens. The passifier that we have has one of those clips. Yeah. It doesn't fall on the ground. And she flipped it around and started putting the clip in it.

Yep. Okay. So, yeah, you can see what's coming. You can learn so much from things by chewing on them. Which, by the way, so you can tell by the way the age of someone's kids, if they have in their house, by like, so when you have, when your kids are little, then like all the stuff goes on the counters. But then eventually as they get bigger, then stuff has to go into the cabinets. And then eventually you just have to stick stuff on your ceiling because, you know, when they're teenagers, because they can't reach it otherwise. No, it's, it's, it's, what was the name of that show? Dead. Oh, here it is. Here's the clip. Here's the clip. Let's play the clip.

Dead end. It's not the park. It's me. I'm trans, normal. Cool knows, and everyone at home knows. And being here, it's like a whole new place. I can just be Barney, and I can choose if and when I tell people. I've never been happier.

And that's saying something when I spent today chased by terrifying zombie mascots. Pugsy reminded me how important it is to live your life without apology. So I think I got to give living here at Shepard. Don't you? You don't need my permission. I just wouldn't want Courtney as a roommate. We'll be the best of friends. So here's this show and the other show.

This one's targeting kids seven plus. The other show is targeting like four or five-year-olds. What? There's another show that's going viral from Netflix about dinosaurs and there's like a teenage lesbian romance in it abruptly and for no reason. What's creepy about this is that parents think they're turning on. That one is associated with an extremely famous franchise. What was it, Jurassic Park?

Well, so here that happens. Parents go on Netflix and they see a show and it's like, for your kids, dinosaurs. And they go, hey, dinosaurs. And then basically what, you know what they're doing? This is like a family guy joke where it's literally a family guy joke, where Lois buys some like therapy video for Peter. And she's like, we're going to teach you how to be a better husband. Is your wife gone?

Okay, let's do this. You're trying to pull your clothes off. This is what they're doing to kids. saying, let's learn about diners. Are your parents gone? Okay, let's show the lesbian sex scene. And it's like the parents leave their kids watching this and not realizing what Netflix is injecting into this. And watching this made me think back about how susceptible I was as a kid. I mean, you remember being like five or six. You know what I mean? You have what your parents teach you, but then you go to school. Some kids say something, the cool kid. And then you like adopt

that ideology because he's the cool or she's the cool kid. So yeah, I mean, I think this is, this actually has a real life impact on children and you're like in your house so there's that level of comfort where you're just writing all the data 100 percent i want to pull up because i believe there's another piece of this and i i want to get the actual quotes because the creator of this show in addition to this also had been and i i can see people talking about it hamish steel was celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk on his blue sky account and saying

I want to get the actual I don't know if I can say all of it but you know something along the lines of like he was a Nazi and he kind of he did that's it you have it there and it's disgusting and it's sick and you look at these horrible people these absolute scum and the things that they'll say

after a man is brutally murdered and so they'll turn around and they'll say oh we need to be loving and you listen to the the words the phraseology of the character in his show the trans character we have to be loving we have to be accepting we have to be caring and it's like even what about charlie kirk he called charlie kirk a random nazi and and not just that but why are they so vile i mean like we we understand so but you do i mean the dichotomy of when you be loving you need to be accepting except out those random Nazis like Charlie Kirk. But that's what I'm saying.

Why would you even care? These people just go online and they just rage. They're just angry all the time, screaming at the top of their lungs. And it's like, bro, chill, chill. And this guy, by all extent, I mean, he's got a show on Netflix. He's obviously quite successful to be able to do that. You know, he's, I mean, it doesn't look like a particularly interesting show. The writing is pretty awful.

The animation looked really cheesy. I mean, Netflix sucks. Like, right. But you'd think, though, that if he's this, full of rage and full of nihilism and full of resentment that, you know, at least by being successful enough to have a show on Netflix, you'd perhaps think that the world has turned out for you. No, I understand what's going on, but I'm saying that a normal person would respond, like, wow, I've got a show on Netflix. That's awesome. This is so cool. Let's try

and sell the show to everyone. Let's let's talk about, yeah, let's talk about how great the show is and I want everyone to watch it. And he's in the Hollywood bubble where everyone there thinks alike. And he knows, no, he's not going to face any repercussions for it. I don't think they think anything. I think I'll just say what everyone else says. It's very much like putting the blank, black profile picture up when George Floyd died. They don't know what's going on. Someone just told him to do it so they did.

And they've got someone in their ear. Right. They've got someone in their ear who's like, oh, this is a good thing. This is a good move. You should do this. Yeah, people need to understand. Netflix is far more of a nefarious organization than a lot of people believe. It was co-founded by the great nephew of Edward Bernays and Zickman Freud.

Really? Yes. And it is the propaganda machine of the establishment. It uses subliminal messaging in order to propagandize people in such horrible, horrendous ways. Every time there's a bad black guy, they make them a white guy. Every time there's a white good guy, they make him a black guy. Well, Bernays himself is the founder of modern propaganda. Exactly. But I'm going to push back a little bit. I blame conservatives a lot and hear me out. We were just talking before the show. I love playing these songs like, uh, chop suey by system of down because surge is literally singing the words of jesus christ he's christian yeah and then you also have like a stone they're a armenian yeah uh and i and my point is there are a lot of songs that conservatives don't realize that in the mainstream were very much pro-christian and they they've not they're not familiar with these songs or otherwise there was a show on netflix called the order and it was a werewolf vampire show or something i haven't seen it a long time

they had two seasons and it was about communist professors being evil village and we're the bad guys. Really? Yeah, legit. Watch the show. And I was shot. In season two, there is a communist professor, literally with like a communist book, communist books on his bookshelf. And he's, I forget what it was, but he's like, he's the villain who's trying to usurp the power of these, like, mystical, you know, college students or whatever. They canceled the show because nobody watched it. And I thought the show was fun. I was like, look at this. They finally have a villain who's a

Marxist college professor. The problem is, like with, I referenced Captain America, the first Avenger movie all the time. I'm like, guys, you had a movie that was about a scrawny young man who was so desperate to join the military. He lied seven times to get in, and he fights for America. His name is literally Captain America. Captain America. I'm like, shouldn't conservatives have been like, this is the greatest, and he's a Christian too, in the MCU. He literally makes a reference to this. He says, there's only one God, ma'am, in the Avengers movie. Why weren't conservatives lifting that up? Instead, I think they took for granted. what was because so much of our culture was just an overtly Christian theme that when it fell off,

they got mad about it, complained about content they didn't like, but never propped at the content they did. There was like a backlash in the 80s against Christianity because there was this overcompensation. From my perspective, being born in 79, where they were like trying to ban Dungeons and Dragons and get the F word taken out of music. So people kind of revolted against it. And I think that was lingering to the point where people were so distanced from it. But one of the things I love about Catholicism, and I'm not a Catholic person, but you are?

practicing Catholic jacket I want to ask you more about this is like they would force people to repeat the seven virtues maybe daily if not weekly and so they're always remembering these seven important ways to be and then now that we have a free speech society without compelled speech we don't force anyone to say anything and well it was I wouldn't I wouldn't necessarily say forced but you know it's it's more along the line so this is the big issue between like protestants and catholics where you know so you know Catholics famously of course we have our rosary right here it is And they'll say, oh, those are vain repetitions. So a Protestant will say, well, that's a vain repetition, and you should just pray from

the heart, pray directly to Jesus. And what we would say is, well, wait a minute, these are the words of the Bible. These are words directly from the Bible. And by saying them over and over, we believe the prayers are sacred as well, so that when you say them in tune, you're giving that to God. And so it's more like, but a Protestant would come in and say, oh, well, that's just a repetition. but it's not vain and that's that's the key difference it's not vain at all do you ever let's we're we're going to jump to the story from variety try ice agents will be at super bowl for bad bunny's

halftime show it's so shameful they picked someone who seems to hate america now this is why it's funny conservatives got really angry that bad bunny was going to be performing the halftime show you don't even speak in english he's leftist he's got videos of him in drag and other things like that and he's even stated he won't do u.s tours because he's he's he's he's he's fearful ice will show up at his events so now they've announced they will be at his event the question is is he going to panic and cancel out of fear that they might actually do something by the way doesn't ice always come to super bowls in general because there's always huge issues like human trafficking and prostitution and you know all of this and right as just you you're going to need

extra law enforcement from and homeland security because superl is of course a tier one event from a security perspective we obviously just held a tier one event here that's why i'm kind of it's fresh on my mind uh up at phoenix which we were told had a higher security than the super bowl because the president being there and all the secret service even though the president i know we attended last year at the so you may have uh you may attend again uh hopefully when my eagles are there and um the you know it's it's just very common to see extra agencies augment in cases like this i hope they go i mean they should deport him too they're they're definitely going to be there because it's not hard to be there. Law enforcement is going to be there. They do security for these events, especially the Super

Bowl. I'm assuming Trump will be there as well. And I don't know why I wouldn't go. I mean, well, actually, he was like the first president a long time who went, right? The first sitting, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It was a great game, great game. How was it, Mr. President? Did you like it? It was fantastic, right? Indeed. Are you going to deport bad bunny, sir? Well, well, oh, now I'm going back to myself. Well, we're looking into him. We're looking at him. We're looking at him. very strongly, but I'll be Jason again. Didn't somebody say he doesn't even sing songs in English?

He does not, no. But he's Puerto Rican? I'll take the wig off of it. Oh, hey. Your hair is. Yeah, it isn't. It's blonde anyway. It died of blonde anyway.

So it's just bad bunny guys? He's a Puerto Rican? He's, he is a citizen. Yeah. But so if he's not doing shows in the U.S., where is he doing shows? Latin America mainly. So his fan base is, so the whole goal here is a marketing strategy. And so Jay-Z controls the Super Bowl selection,

half-time show selection process through his company, Rock Nation. Jay Z, of course, being best friends with Barack Obama. We were just talking about Netflix and the propaganda there. And obviously, Netflix has signed huge deals with the Obama family to be producers on all this, all this random stuff and predictive programming. So Jay Z being good friends with him. So you just saw a bad bunny where he was inserted into the Netflix sequel of Happy Gilmore 2. And suddenly this guy that, you know, the English-speaking world just is not familiar with is suddenly Adam Sandler's caddy and the goal is and it's meant to be this sort of culture jamming and it's very corporate and very obvious where they're saying

hey uh white people like Adam Sandler and Hispanics love bad bunny we're gonna put him together and they're doing the exact same thing with the Super Bowl he was I didn't even know or care I'm pretty sure he was the catty yeah I didn't recognize I didn't even recognize the guy I didn't realize he was in that movie. I just thought it was an extra. No, because that's how I heard his name before. Because I remember watching it and look at the, like, who is this guy? He's this huge role.

And I'm like, bad bunny. Like, what is that? Yeah, I mean, the guy earned his spot. I mean, he did the humiliation rituals. He dressed up in the dresses. He deserves to be. We deserve, listen, listen. We deserve a demonic Illumani Drag Show.

Okay? We need one. It's necessary. I mean, bring it back, please, for the conspiracy theories. I'm going to make so many videos about this. Please make it as demonic. Bring out Baphimet, like child sacrifices. Let's do it.

Since Trump got back, Luke, you've been starving for content. Yes, I don't. No, not really. The Epstein stuff has kept me pretty busy. And did anyone like that movie? I thought it was horrible. Happy Gilmore, too. I didn't see it.

I thought it had some good moments. I'm not going to crap on it. It had some moments, but it was in general pretty bad. Yeah. Yeah, it was, hey, look at me. Look at, you know, Happy Gilmore. Remember Happy Gilmore guys? And they kept doing flashbacks in the movie.

I was just like, okay, we get it. Did they just do clips from the first movie? Yeah, they did. Oh, yeah, that's what I was. I haven't watched it. It was on Netflix. Yeah. So, here's, this is a big question, though.

I mean, we've seen with Netflix, with Disney and Jimmy Kimmel, with bad bunny. Look, we've got tremendous victories in the culture war, but they're still holding on. Woke is still has its presence in these industries. What do we have to do to route whopeness and get it to finally back off? Make sure that we don't become a comedy. Communist technocracy, because if our government falls into communism, yes, I understand. Otherwise, it's just going to happen. We're just going to resist it. The question is, how do we do that? Just be yourself, keep doing this. Just be you. Tim, it's very clear to me what must be done here is that Turning Point USA needs to host a counter-programmed half-time show starring the only sincere band that has kept going with a fully Christian theme, as you say.

Sillian Dionne. From day one, no, American band, American. Get that Canadian nonsense. Out of here, Luke. I'm talking about Creed. I'm talking about Scott Stapp. I'm talking about taking this entire country higher to a place with Golden Streets. We're blind men see.

You guys talk about that. Men see. I think on your show today, on Charlie's show, when you guys were. So, Tim, in all seriousness, that clip has gone mega viral. Did you tweet it? I did. It's a good idea. Andrew tweeted it.

out as the like official spokesman of turning point and now the media there has been a frenzy of media requests as well as like sponsors and donors and all sorts of people and other artists uh christian artists got 1.6 million views um and no i had no authorization whatsoever to start talking about it's got to happen man and now it's like do you do it at the same time as the official half time as the official show. Yes. Same time as the official show, yes. So like we could watch football and then change the channel, watch Cree. We do like a live stream or like maybe do a partnership with like one of the channels that, um, I'm not, I am not saying that there have been conversations about, uh, this earlier today in this building, but, uh, you know,

it's, it seems to have taken on a life of its own. I wouldn't, I wouldn't pay money to see that. Dude, the last two years we came to Turning Point for Amfest, I've wanted to play that stage. It's, It's destined for music. Isn't it great. And that's all that anybody wanted is to see Ian open for freedom. We got songs that we like are partially rehearsed. Jack just wins. Some of that like the audience is hungry for that energy.

And it deserves it. You know, politics is a little dry sometimes. So it's good to get loose. You know, do you know why Creed is the only band from that era that that has like research the way that they have and is and it's because of sincerity? Because because we've moved past postmodernism. So postmodern music was all.

all this like, it was like super ironic and just like very biting and very sarcastic. But I believe we've actually moved past postmodernism into metamodernism. I think Jack's friends with Scott's staff. And and so, no, no, I've never spoken with him. How do you define metamodernism? So metamodernism is so modernity was this sort of like, I'm genuine like like, like Captain America. Like I love America. I love my country. But then postmodernism comes in and it was like, well, did you know about 1619? What about slavery? What about this? What about that? And then and then and then Metamodernism comes in and is like, you know what? I love my country. And I don't care what you say about that stuff. So it's like, it's like you're combining the sincerity with the

irony and sometimes you're even being ironically sincere. And you see this a lot with like J.D. Vance memes or like even like the modern crop of Trump memes where it's like, is this an anti-meam or a pro meme? But aren't you kind of laughing? Yes. Sombrero. Yeah. So we made a meme of like J.D. Vance and a sobriero and a mustache today. You're like, are you mocking him? No, we love it. Gavin, or Gavin Newsom is getting him elected. But you got him saying it's metamodernism. So what's happening is you got, you got modernism, then postmodernism is like,

the good guy's actually the bad guy. And then post and then metamodernism is like, and I don't care. Exactly. He's still the good guy. Yes. So you incorporate the irony into the genuine love for the thing you have. And so the cure of this, the key of this. And this is what Gen Z has been searching for.

And this is why Gen Z, I don't know what you're going to say they're like embracing Creed, but, like, one thing in general I see with a lot of Gen Z left and right is they want sincerity. Yeah. They want actual genuine sincerity. And it's like, even if you don't agree with Scott Sappi, if you're not Christian, you know that guy is sincere. Well, I think, that guy 100% believes what he says.

With AI video getting crazier and crazier every single day, the new SORA 2 stuff that's coming out is nuts. These, there are a lot of young people growing up online where everyone's faking everything all the time. Yep. And they're just like something real. So this is why, like, unfortunately, this is, and I've talked about this before, but unfortunately so like in like on the right that's why you're seeing this huge revival you're seeing

this huge turn towards even like traditional orthodox versions of christianity so you know if i'm going catholic i want latin mass i want the full thing extraordinary form um christianity we're orthodox you know if i'm going evangelical i want like the most bible based church pastor that i can find and unfortunately on the left that pushes you towards violence and the most extreme types of violence. And so this is why you would then, so what's the most extreme type of violence? Is it marching around and holding placard? It's like millennials would? No, because that's like made for TV. So the technology is different now. So they, like, they don't want to do that. Smashing up a Starbucks, who cares? That's just a Starbucks. Unfortunately, this, these types of pressures and this type of social tendency

and social condition will lead you towards murder and assassination. Is that because metamodernism can go too far like because like the Punisher he is kind of a villain but or like Dr. Doom's actually a lovable villain but like isn't it also yeah it's important to know like they were still villainous well no no it's it's not anti hero is a different thing anti is a different thing it's like it's like you'd like Superman but then okay but Superman also destroys the city right that's the postmoderners take on Superman he destroys the city and it's like when this one comes in like I love Superman there's got to be a thread between the villain the good guys actually the bad guy. And then the next step of, I don't care, I'm still going to be him. Because if he's actually

the bad guy, you don't want to, like, really become the bad guy, even if he's like a good guy, bad guy. No, you don't. But it's also, it's, it's, it's seeing postmodernism face on and saying it's worth it. And the people that are in the postmodernist brainwash don't realize that he was never actually a villain. Postmodernism is so that midwits can be convinced to do evil. Yes. Yeah. So like, pretty much it. And I hate, I hate having, you know, written about this and talked about this. And now, you know, it's like, now I find myself in this situation where, like, I'm, like, living part of it in a sense, like what happened to Charlie?

Because you talk about online culture, you talk about all of these extreme internet-based identities and things. And that's, and when you look at, I mean, this guy was, you know, this kid was on the roof was into, like, furry porn and was just, like, larping and just, just super extreme behavior, but in the opposite direction. We do have good news. I want to jump to this story from the AP. Democrats' wary support may be sliding among typically loyal voters in New Jersey's governor's race.

This is big. It appears that Republicans are becoming competitive in New Jersey. And check this out. We have this from Kalshi. And it does look like bad news at first. Kalshi tweets out, breaking is a 72% chance Democrats sweep and win all four key elections in November. The first time I was say, shout at to Kalshi for sponsoring this. segment. But beyond that, the New York mayor election, well, of course a Democrat's going to win

that. I mean, it may be. The question is which Democrat? Exactly, exactly. Now, where it gets interesting is Virginia governor, 94% chance. We get it. Virginia House of Delegates, we get it. New Jersey governor winner, when they posted this was 78%. Check this out. We pull it up right now, and it's now, oh, it went back. Wait, we went back to 78. Okay, popped back up, briefly dipped down. But the trend line is what we're looking at. Republicans are actually making gains in the prediction market. And there's actually a big push now. I think Scott Pressler was talking about this, going to New Jersey and making a big push because it's actually possible the Republican can win the governor race. Yeah. So, and if you pull up, I don't know if Carl She has a way to

incorporate the most recent polls. That's, you know, Kyle She, if you're listening, that would be a great, a great data set for you. But there have been, I believe, three polls in a row now, separately taken of New Jersey that have the Republican, Jack Chattarelli, with either tied or within the margin of error in New Jersey, which is typically considered a solid blue state. But I was doing a little digging on this, and I'm from the Philadelphia area, so I'm generally familiar with New Jersey, and I remember when Chris Christie won in 2009 is a Republican, that in the 2024 electoral race, New Jersey swung red and swung red in almost every single county of the state. So the movement is there. The candidates are there. Her candidacy is

awful. She's the Kamala Harris of New Jersey. You said that that stock video? The stock. Charlemagne. We got to play that video for talking about this. Let me pull that one on. And I'll just add this. Keep talking about it. That so if you if you look at the actual mechanics of this race and the conditions on the ground red jersey is possible red jersey is absolutely possible and then you combine that with just this outpouring that's happened in the wake of charlie's murder i don't know let's let's play this class this is this is a democrat so when newsmax claims that you made seven million dollars from stock trades what are they talking about news max is first of all a very questionable organization that is paying multiple fines i'm not sure what they're talking about

Did you make $7 million in stock trades at all? I haven't. I don't believe I did, but I'd have to go see what that was alluding to again, what kind of came from. So when Newsmax claims that you made. You know, listen, there's two things I can't say about. Answer the question. Why can't she answer the question? By the way, this is someone's lying.

They don't answer the question. But also, listen, let's set politics aside. If you're not capable of handling the heat, get out of the kitchen. Yeah, at least first thing is like, I don't know. I don't have to look. If she really didn't know, she just said that right off the bat. She knows. No, no, this has been all over the media.

This is, this is like when you're going, okay, so as a guy who used to work on campaigns, right, you know, you know what your candidate is going to be asked before you go up on a show, especially like the breakfast club, especially a show like that. So you would prep them if you have a good team. Like this just shows how really bad of a candidate she is that your team would be sitting around and saying, okay, We know this is out there. We know this is in the media. We know Charlemagne's probably going to bring this up. And here's what we're going to say. It's an Aleppo moment.

Yeah. No, it's Aleppo, yeah. Listen. What is a Leppo? Whether you're guilty or innocent, you need to be able to respond and you know they're going to ask. No, no, no. It's worse than an Aleppo. It's worse than Aleppo because it's, no, because this is a personal thing.

This is a personal issue that she was involved in. It has been a huge issue, and I call a celeb on the left, by the way. from AOC, talking about the personal stock trading of congressional insiders. I want to test Jason's medal, okay? I would like for you to impersonate Donald Trump being asked about Aleppo, but the context is you don't know what Aleppo is. How would Trump answer it? Well, look, when you look at Aleppo, and a lot of people are talking about Aleppo,

a lot of very smart people with big, beautiful brains, very respectable people, right? and I can tell you that I've looked into a lepo and it's it's a very interesting thing okay there you go but but Mr. Mr. President the question is what would you do excuse me you're being very rude

you're being very rude nasty guy nasty guy and uh say something with the beanie and then and then what he would do is he'd say we got to talk about jobs. We need, you know what? Forget Aleppo.

What about the Lububo? Have you heard about these dolls? Have you heard about these dolls? A lot more interesting than Aleppo. Aleppo's a little boring if you want to know the truth. But yeah, you pivot. You've got to pivot. But Mr. President, there's so many people dying in Aleppo. Yeah, look. Look, Jack, this is a nasty world. People are dying all over the place if you want to know the truth.

This is the brilliance of Trump. He knows how to handle the media. if he's ever asked about something he doesn't know he'll pivot to something he does and that was really great he said you're being a nasty guy he'd say they're just completely change like when um and you go why won't you talk about immigration

this is what Americans want to talk about not Aleppo or at one of the debates like 10 years ago the guy was like uh it was sort of a gotcha question and he goes well somebody came on my show and said this and he goes well first off nobody watches your show and then everybody laughed at the joke and totally forgot about the gotcha question question. When Scott Adams gave this analysis of his famous Rosie O'Donnell answer, which I think

really something that, you know, just everybody remembers, you know, he gets this question. You've called women, fat pigs, and you've called women this. And he goes, only Rosie O'Donnell. And the crowd goes nuts. And the crowd goes nuts. Because think of it, before she finishes the question, he has, he is assessed where she's going with this. He's, and he's, and he's, he's. signaled out not just on a target that everyone's going to think is funny but all and think of this he was he was he what was he trying to do at the time burnish his credentials among a republican primary audience because people were saying oh is he a clinton planned he's not really a conservative what's this so he picked a target that he knew would ingratiate himself with his audience that they would

love and i mean he did all of that in a fraction of a second what what you need for this uh Mickey Sherrill thing is to play up these kinds of elitist gaffs. She sounds terrible, by the way. Where's the charisma? So there's the two issues here is, is she another crony just using DC to make herself rich? And she really looks guilty when asked this because she didn't even have an excuse prepared. So again, guilty on the stock thing, incapable of handling harsh political circumstances. And her body language is terrible.

The body language is awful. Um, well, Newsmax is, um, uh, question. And by the way, I don't know if they asked her as well. So the other big, uh, she has another big scandal as well. And this is the Navy cheating scandal. So in 1994 at the Navy Academy, there was this huge, uh, scandal of, of cheating, particularly in this one engineering, uh, course, which, which is known as, no, I was, I'm a former Navy officer, but I wasn't academy. Um, but this just, it's so big that everybody knows about it.

It's like, every time you take a course in the Navy, like, we don't need another, 94. It's like that and tailhook are the two things. And she and her husband were both involved in this thing. And they weren't able to prove like that she directly cheated. So they couldn't get her out. But they didn't let her walk at graduation. Because she was involved. I forgot what it was. So I probably am getting this wrong. But it was something about she would not provide like she knew who did. Well, see, here's the thing though is her records are sealed and she won't release them. So I think that's a talking point that she's like oh well i just wouldn't let them you know just wouldn't dime out my my buddies and it's like okay well then release the records mackie just release the records if there's

nothing to worry about release the records there's there's one simple phenomenon that we can point to that just breaks down democrats and republicans bill marr said he could not book prominent democrats on his own show and he votes and supports votes for these people and supports them but conservatives want to come on even they disagree when we try booking liberals do you know what the first response we usually get is what how much seriously Oh, yeah. And it's either they'll ignore us or they'll say, my fee is X. Do you know what conservatives say when we reach out to them? It doesn't matter. They reach out to us. They won't stop knocking on our door. They say, we want to come and we want to share these ideas because the right is saying, we want to debate this and make the country better. Sometimes we'll even host you in our buildings.

I do. Literally. They're like, Tim, come to Arizona. I'm like, it's really hard. No, we'll figure it out for you. We'll get you here. And then Democrats are like, it's going to cost you this much. I'll only do it for this amount of time. and that I really think it's a nail and hell with the hammer with why people like this are running for office it's a means to get rich and put a name in the history books whereas the Republicans are like

I want to help my community I'm not super classist I'm not a Marxist but there's something about this elitist class of people that are mooching off the monetary supply by printing Fiat and it's sucked into the Democratic Party

you're almost there if you're a parasitic elitist right then that's not being you know it's not communist to call that out and say you are not producing anything right like i don't want to overthrow it that's what marks would have done if you actually have elite Elon musk he has elite talent like everyone like by every definition of the word

he is an elite right but he's not like this yeah also mar gave uh obama a million dollars Obama never invited him to the white house amazing Trump wow he bashed trump for years Trump said come on over let's talk that's right they had dinner there's this idea that like money is what's going to win you the game the election the everything because that's what's all about for them and that's what they had access to and in the the the republican party it's about charisma and about like intelligent like you have to actually do something valuable to get or at least get people's attention joe biden once mentioned that when he first be you know was installed as president in in i guess 2021 then he was doing this tour of the residents he mentioned something as one interview that that has

always struck me because and stayed with me because he said oh this is the first time i've seen the residence i was like wait a minute weren't you the vice president for eight years so for all of those eight years barraq obama never once invited him to like the private areas of the white house where the where the family lives for like a cup of coffee or share a dinner or something that's how bad it was inside the white house for those years so remember the the publicly it was the bromance and they're like jogging together with their little friendship bracelets it was all fake dude do you know that obama quote never under a to estimate Joe's ability to F shit up, whatever.

Yeah, no. It's an actual, 100% true. 100% true. After a couple of months, he thought the lawn was the private residence. No. Bedroom. Come on, man. He's like peeing on the bush.

How did that guy, this is a whole other, how did Biden even get selected? I mean, the auto pen? How did the auto pen get selected? No, the auto pen got selected. Because anyone can press go. So, Obama was like, I need a go button. Because they wanted someone they could control. That was it.

They wanted someone they could control. Well, Joe always wanted to be president. And they were like, you'll get. your chance. So Obama was a little too a note. They didn't know if they could quite control Obama so they plugged Joe in to make sure they could control Obama. I really, I mean, for a lot of reasons, I think 2020 was a fluke. I don't think

they ever actually expected Joe to be president. I don't think that was ever part of the plan. I think that I think it became the universal mail. Yeah, okay. I'm saying, I'm saying like in 2019, nobody, you know, prior to the COVID thing prior to that operation getting launched that, you know, everybody thought that

Like, because Trump was, if you go back to 2019, Trump was a shoe in for re-election. He was extremely popular. The economy is going really well. And no real big, like Gavin Newsom didn't try to challenge him. By the way, unseating a sitting president is almost impossible in American politics. And Trump not only unseat, by the way, when he came back, he not only unseated a sitting president, but he also defeated the vice president, too.

So he won twice in the same year, which no one has ever done before. And, and remember, it was. Barack Obama, who pulled the plug on Joe Biden after the debate saying, you know, went around, called the donors and said, Joe, you done. Let's jump to the story from the post-millennial. FBI drops ADL partnership in split from Comey's playbook. That error is finished. This FBI formally rejects Comey's policies and any paid partnership with the ADL.

Okay, first and foremost, cash didn't know about this until Twitter put, okay, I don't know that for sure. But people started tweeting, hey, look at this old. tweet where the FBI has a partnership with the ADL, all of a sudden, Cash is like, no way, shut it down. I don't think Cash actually knew they were doing this. This all started with Perry Abasi. I got shout out to Perry Abasi on Twitter, the great Pericles of Chicago, where he pulled up the fact that Turning Point USA, even in the wake of the insane political murder of Charlie Kirk, was still listed by the ADL as an extremist hate group. Yep. And then, and Roker, did you know that almost

every single number was considered racist. I am not exaggerating. Oh, yeah, yeah. It was a meme where it was like, in the old glossary. Yeah, you'd go to the ADL glossary and you type in one. It'd be like, the number one is racist. The number one is racist consultations. The okay side.

You do the okay sign. No, no, no, but I understand that they try to shoehorn in weird symbols, but literally saying the numbers one through 90 are racist, you're just like, wait, wasn't 311? Like, like, 311 was a thing. That was made me laugh because it's like. Yeah, you're like, like, so I like 311. Whoa!

And, you're like, I just, I just like listening to this music, man. Why are you yelling at? And so that started, but Perry Abbasi, what he did, looking that up, just started this ball rolling because he's just posting, right? Literally just posting. And then Elon hits it. And then it starts getting bigger. And then the ADL has to take down their glossary, which happened. We broke the news yesterday here on the show.

And then today, boom, Cashio's, wait, there's a partnership with those numbscoles. No, ADL was training. Get them out. Yeah. But they also have a partnership with YouTube and PayPal. PayPal was deciding who is going to be debanked and who was going to have an account based on what the ADL was telling them to do, as they were literally just celebrating the deep platforming of Alex Jones. So this is a censorship type of organization that has bullied organizations and institutions and has clearly violated the First Amendment. There should be federal charges by the federal government against the ADL.

Now, if Cash is the head of the FBI, and he just found out about this, how much is going on behind his back? you know on a regular basis deep stady type stuff that that the head 98% more probably yeah yeah yeah i would i would imagine like they'd probably keep the fbi head on a leash i mean j edgar hoover was like the guy that had a compromise on everybody and this current administration does not seem to be interested in gaining compromise on people or if they do they don't want to talk about it we need another j edgar hoover that that was like the epstein thing they were like hoovering people with Gielane Maxwell was playing Hoover for her daddy. I'm getting real close to just re-uploading our episode with Joe Rogan and Alex Jones

because they claimed that, oh, yeah, we're going to review these. They're paying Trump 25 million YouTube, and they're claiming that they're going to uncensor all these things. And three years after we did the episode with Rogan, Luke, Alex Jones, Blair White, Drew Hernandez, Ian, I mean, it was a massive show. They took it down, citing some nebulous medical misinformation. nation, it's still down today, even though they've already announced they'd be reversing this

and I've appealed it over and over and over again. I'm getting real close to being like, I'm just going to re-uplo it the whole thing. Just re-blit straight up. There you go. Is it on Rumble already? It was our biggest show. Yeah. Actually, it was the time. Now, the episode we did with Darren Beattie is the biggest show we've ever done. I don't know why, Darren. I don't know why, but we did a show with him. It has like 10 or 11 million views.

He's got that Midas touch. He does. Well, you know what I think it was is it was something contextual at the time that we were talking about. That was big. and he shared it with his network and then it ended up taking off on Rumble. What's the history of the ADL? Who funds it?

Who started it and why? Do you think is no? That's anti-Semitic Ian. Is it off the top of your head? Was it an actual Israeli company? Or was it? Well, I don't know about that. Is it like secret?

It was American. It was started in the South over a disputed case involving an individual named Leo Frank who they claim was lynched for anti-Semitic purposes. But he was accused of hurting a 13-year-old child. Yes, that's right.

And so the ADL was sort of born in a very similar vein to the SPLC, based in the South at that time, it was ADL was earlier, and as a way for, purportedly for Jews and Jewish groups to be able to defend themselves both legally and in the public sphere. Yeah, he was convicted by a jury of... Leo Frank. Yeah, he was convicted by a jury of forcing himself and taking the life of a 13-year-old girl. Oh, my. Yikes.

Leo Frank. It's called the Anti-Defamation League, but it's funny because liberals like to put anti-in front of the things they do. So they're like, I'm anti-racist. Let's segregate races. You're like, what? I'm anti-fascist. Let's brutally beat people who disagree with us. And then the ADL's like, we're anti-defamation. Let's smear into fame tons of people. I'm just thinking about that anti-communist.

Where is he right now? are you not a communist phil are you logic he's basically saying he's a communist now i hope you're not yeah that's the funny thing it's like let's call ourselves anti whatever it is we do and then people will be like we're anti-fascist it's a sure defamation it's like a lazy

sledgehammer man it does nothing now is it like an al sharpin type of operation where it's like we'll go after a Pepsi and call Pepsi racist unless you donate you know 500k yes Pepsi is very much became that yes Pepsi is very racist unless they give turning point one million dollars didn't we are

changed $5,000. So I was trying to pull up my old tweets about this, but the ADL at one point, and this, this was recently that this came up within the last couple of years, they had a definition of racism that was ripped straight from critical race theory, where they were basically saying that race, the definition, if you looked at the definition of racism on the ADL's website, it said a system of privileges that benefit white people. Well, I think. So basically, only white people could be racist.

There was some controversy because they had some definition of racism that was woke that also insulted Jews in some way or something. Yeah, that's what I'm trying to pull up because I remember that too, yeah. Where people are like, hey, doesn't this apply to Israel and Jews? And then they did it real quick. And then they had to do an interim definition of racism, which I just thought was so funny. We don't know what it is. It's like, you guys are supposed to be the experts on this.

You're training the FBI. You're working with local law enforcement. You've been working with Homeland Security. So what they need to do is all these groups, the ADL, the SPLC, whatever, you know, little acronym organization they come up with, they need to be shunned. They need to be ostracized. They need to be kicked out of society. It is groups like this that turned that, again, put Turning Point USA on their hate maps, put them on the list. This led to the smearing, censorship, canceling, ostracision. And by the way, they try to use state power to take down this organization.

The FBI placed this under investigation last year. We're still getting the receipts on that. and then ultimately when all of that failed somebody took a shot at charlie kirk and killed him and it all has to go it all has to go away we have to stop this we have to stop it now i think it's going to get worse i'm i'm kind of at my wits and i'm trying to be everyone's being very diplomatic they are trying not to shock or offend and i'm kind of like let's let's let's remove that veil i think it's fine to be professional and not antagonistic but i'm done being overly diplomatic to protect the feelings of other people. I think it's important that we just say what we think about what people are doing.

That being said, there are a lot of people that I think are ignoring the scope of this problem. There are a lot of prominent individuals that, you know, to get specific, Dana White, we talked about this this morning. I went actually, when you got off the show, I kind of went off in my last segment. I don't want to get into it, but it's like, people should need to wake up. People just need to wait. And Joe Rogan saying he was shocked, you know, and it's, you know, and it's, Guys, it's very urgent.

Luke points on the other about that. Yeah, well, he, during the moment that it happened, he was interviewing Charlie Sheen, and during that moment, he even said himself, like, people are probably going to celebrate this. So, he knew. What is the, now saying, I'm shocked that this is, this is happening, and he was bigger than he thought, I guess. I don't know. You know, I will cut him some slack in that, I think it's fair, I said, I was surprised to see people

I knew for decades. I'm not surprised by nurses and teachers doing these things, because they've been, these teachers have been giving kids smut and defending it. Like, weird books I can't even say on this show because try to be family-friendly. That's how disgusting it is. Well, the teachers' colleges are, and teachers' colleges are particularly Marxist. All colleges at this point are Marxist and less one, except for the ones that are explicitly anti-Marxist.

But the teachers' colleges are explicitly marks. They are basically like Marxist madrasas and they're creating these domestic terrorist instructors and then sending them out into the world. We talked a little bit about this on Charlie's show earlier. I think it's going to get worse because throwing it out credit to Will Chamberlain, this point is very important. I told him, I won't call for these people to be fired,

but I won't defend them. And he said, you're nicer than me. I think they should be fired. A society that tolerates the veneration of assassination is a society that has opened the door to civil war. These people should not be welcome in polite society. I'm paraphrasing for the most part, but I said, you know what?

You're right. If we continue to allow people on so, social media and in the workplace or wherever they are to celebrate assassinations, justify the assassinations, we are going to get more. And I will stress this as much as we have condemned it when, and I don't, again, I'm not saying this to be disrespectful to Dana White. I'm saying I'm not going to be super diplomatic, okay? I'm going to call it like it is and say, Dana, you need to pay attention to what's going

on. These people have celebrated Luigi Mangione and then Charlie Kirk has killed less than a year later. I don't want any more people to die. And it's particularly terrifying when it comes to, when it comes home. And that's why when I see Dana White say, look, people shouldn't lose their jobs. Okay, when these people start celebrating assassins and then they start calling you out because you have defended Trump and helped Trump win, what are we going to say? I don't want that to happen to Dana White.

I love USC. I think he's a business masterment. I love the work that he's done. I'm a huge fan. We should say to anybody who wants to go online and celebrate murders, political murders for political ends, you're gone. because we are not going to create a path towards monetization followers you will not be venerated you'll be excised that's the line polite so so tim you know after we we talked about this last night and as soon as i got back to my hotel i if we finish up the show and i get a i get a call

that said so over on the post millennial side we had katie davis court was out in the field in Portland and they say hey katie just got assaulted yep and it's and at first it's okay how is she is she all right are we in columns with her and uh this antifa uh female had basically taken a flagpole and swung it like a baseball bat and cracked her and almost almost literally almost blew her eye out and uh thank god you know she's going to get medical and and checked out and i haven't seen the actual reports but it seems like she just got a black eye a couple inches to the left couple is north could have been a lot worse and and then she was calling and posting videos saying the local police here in portland won't even arrest her i chased her down the street i have all of

this on film they say it's too dangerous for us to go into this antifa safe house that she located so now then i'm calling up like members of dhs that i know uh some of the higher ups there members of the administration sending this i say guys we got to do something so we're using geolocation okay she's you know she posted this on this corner so she's in this vicinity if it's been this many minutes she's gone this far and fortunately we were able to locate her she kept working she kept going tim there's been complete silence you talked about a lot of people talked about but almost complete silence from conservative media uh complete silence or mainstream media no journalist associations have reached out nothing i i think we need federal law

enforcement to stop playing games yes and And I mean political games. Why is it, the line has been crossed with these terror attacks on ice facilities. The first one, they had Antifa people outside throwing fireworks. When ice walked outside to say, okay, they're throwing fireworks. Someone in the woods unloaded with a rifle. It was a diversion tactic. It was a plan.

And then we get three terror attacks. You are allowed to peaceably assemble in this country. We respect that. That means you can stand outside, hold up your signs, scream all you want, but you can't throw stuff. You can't blow stuff up. You can't physically attack ice officers or smash windows and attack vehicles. I'm even willing to accept nonviolent civil disobedience, meaning if they sit down and link arms in front of the chain link fence, then they'll come up, they'll get arrested for a disorderly or something, slap on the wrist, all of that's acceptable. But why are we allowing them to physically attack people and police and the feds are still holding back?

Now, with all due respect, I understand they've stepped things up quite a bit, but I'm just saying the moment you get obstruction, you say you are all going to. to be arrested. We are not going to create a circumstance where terrorists can continue these attacks. The line has been crossed. I'm not going to play these games where it's like, well, we know there are terror attacks that have happened, but our concern is like, no, no, no, no, no, the left crossed the line three times with these terror attacks on ice, let alone the other attacks we've seen and the murder of Charlie Kirk. Circumstance and context matters. When someone comes on and says, but you can't have a protest disrupted by, no, no, no, no. You can when we have been dealing with where we have 30 to 40 terror attacks this year already. I mean literal,

overt shootings, fire bombings, some of them murders. We say extenuating circumstance have been created by the left. We don't want to live this way, but there's a reason why we're deploying ICE, CBP, and National Guard. If you come out to a nice facility and you are causing these problems, you will be arrested. I would even go a step further. I would say you take a look at these networks. They have a safe house in Portland. Yeah. There's an address. And by the way, to the people say, oh, they don't exist. Well, they have an address. You know, they're not even a group.

They have merch. Didn't Trump just sign an executive order about labeling them a terrorist group? Indeed. And he then followed up a few days later instructing all branches of government under the executive to go after their funding sources and their organization structure, which they have. There are leaders. There's a hierarchy. And I point out even lobsters have hierarchy.

The ADL ran cover for them saying they're a leaderless, decentralized. network that is not correct it's fair to say that there are organized factions they fly the same flag and they coordinate with each other but that does not mean leaderless that's a lie to defend them it seems like the president just one day going and they're a terrorist organization now everyone go get them that's a little that's not what's happening though hit the breaks boy okay you know let me ask you some questions but i'm glad you asked this because it is it is a challenge of our morals and our views that the people need to hear. Was Abraham Lincoln wrong to suspend habeas corpus? No. He was also at war. Why? Because he was at war with another country. And what do you mean

he was at war? The South broke into a second country and they were fighting a conventional war. He had to break off part of territory. Who started that war? The people that broke up. Well, it depends on who you ask. They think that Abraham Lincoln started it. They called the war of northern aggression. Who invaded whom? The North invaded the South. I mean, it just depends on how you look at it. But yeah. And indeed. So the point I'm bringing up is there's arguments over who started the war because the South engaged Fort Sumter, even though it was a federal, it was a union base. So there's a debate over there.

There's a question of moral clarity and that slavery was wrong. So we're happy they got defeated and slavery was ended. But Abraham Lincoln, at the start of the war, he has, or actually, to be fair, I'm not going to say at the start of the war, but was it wrong of him to arrest one-third of the Maryland legislature? Cleaning the governor, I believe. This is after the Philadelphia riots. Is this why he suspended the habeas corpus?

I don't know if it was a Philadelphia. There was a riot real close to the Capitol. He's like, we need to lock down the area around the Capitol. is what happened. The point I'm bringing up is, you say something very simple. This is the point I'm making about extenuating circumstances. The president pointed to a group is at their terrorists go get him. We can't have that. No, no, no. That's not what happened. We are dealing with a decade of precedent where Andy Noe was nearly murdered in the street. His ears had blood pouring from them. Aaron Danielson was shot and killed by a guy with a BLM tattoo on his neck, two bullets

in the chest. Charlie Kirk was just killed by a guy. Allegedly, I should say the assassin, the alleged assassin, espoused ideology in line with these liberal groups. When this is the circumstance within our culture, this is when we say, okay, are we in Lincoln territory? Now, I'm not saying that Trump should suspend habeas corpus. I'm saying Trump pointing to Antifa with organized factions, merch leaders, engaging in terror, safe houses, a legal apparatus, and three terror attacks on ICE facilities, and we're still holding back. I don't think it is fair to say Trump going, has a terrorist organization, get him, is a case. character is a correct characterization of what we've witnessed because, again, I'll stress. It's more like for 10 years the far left has brutally battered people in the streets,

shut down conservative events, killed people, firebombed vehicles, gotten away with it. And only after 10 years, Trump said, I think they're terrorists. I don't think Trump is going hard enough. The Bella Chow, so of course one of the bullets that was used on Charlie said Bella Chow, one of the other ones said, hey, fascist catch, Bella Chow, even in addition of being a popular song in his own right is also the sort of de facto national, international anthem of Antifa. And let's add that there have been flyers popping up at various universities that say, hey, fascist

catch, and they are recruiting people to kill conservatives. It is not an exaggeration. I'm not going to play these stupid semantic games that liberals play, well, they're not really, no, no, no. They bullets that they recovered after Charlie was murdered. One of them said, hey, fascist catch. And they use flyers saying, join our gun club. What they're saying is, do you agree with the message sent when they murdered

this man in cold blood? My question is, is it the organization that's called Antifa or is it dudes in black block? Like, what's the real terrorist? I would actually, I, so the way that I've kind of broken this down is I've said that Antifa itself is an ideology in the way that you would say radical Islam is an ideology. But within that ideology, there are many groups, some of which call themselves like Roe City Antifa. Some of them call it use like the John Brown gun club. I got to push back a little bit. ISIS and Antifa are the same thing.

Obviously ISIS is substantially more dangerous, more violent. But within extremist Islam, you have ISIS. Within extremist leftism, you have Antifa. So people fly the flag of Antifa. They organize around its banner. It means something to them. They are organizing principles and there are leaders, much like ISIS.

100%. It's not just an ideology. No, no, no, no. I'm not saying it's just. I'm like, if you really want to have the discussion, you know, you could say Antifa is like the umbrella term. And there are also multiple organizations, anti-racist action, the Torch Network,

Rosetti, Antifa, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But there are principal leaders that control all of it. 100%. And this is the lie. Right, right. So I don't like dig into this, but if you want to ask like, okay, there's a bunch more you can talk about.

But at the end of the day, it's very simple to say, Antifa is a domestic terrorist organization They are a network They are they do have centralization They do and by the way The money is how you can find them The money is how you can track this

When those people know When the National Lawyers Guild The NLG goes out and say Oh well We know there's going to be Antifa action So we're going to be there How do you know to be there? Who told you to be there? You know who's really great on this one

We're booking him to come on Nate Friedman So guys follow him on social media, on Instagram, Nate Friedman underscore. He's been exposing the paid protesters. And this just scratches the surface. I've mentioned this time and time again. And Luke, you know this. When we were on the ground covering these protests, and Luke and I, as journalists and, you know, people who we would travel the world, we'd go to various countries, we'd be in Germany, we'd be in France, we'd be in Singapore.

They were somehow, in Turkey, there somehow, the same protest. protesters we saw in New York were in Germany, in Turkey. We called them the tourists because we're like, it's very strange. This guy reported to be some local New York guy to protest is here on the ground in Turkey at the exact same time. Who's paying for this? How are they involved in these protests? And I've seen some of these people in France at direct action meetings organizing, helping people craft shields by sawing garbage bins in half, watching them spray paint the Antifa shield. And they were protesting outside the Bastille. And I'm like, that's pretty crazy that that guy was in Turkey and New York and L.A.

And now he's in France. Yeah, they're far more organized than a lot of people understand them to be organized. And then there's, you know, bigger kind of figureheads like George Soros that, of course, pour in a lot of the money. And that money just accidentally goes to a lot of these left-wing type of organizations that have all this chaos in our society. How coincidental. What really concerns me hearing about Katie getting attacked is I was actually thinking about Andy Noe, who was also attacked. and that, like, Nick Shirley. Yeah, he's showing me a picture of Katie right now.

I mean, I was attacked. So what's happening, we have to start treating this like a legitimate. Not a, not that it's not, I'm not saying it is. You've been attacked? You've been attacked? Yeah, there you got. I'm not saying that it's, all of us here has been attacked.

Oh, yeah. Literally. So it's not a cut, because I haven't dangled my junk into the combat zone on purpose to get some camera footage, but that's the big part of what's the problem. Is that what you call reported? Go under, if you're going to do it, go undercover. Otherwise, you're wearing a hunk of meat and a lion's then Nick Shirley. I love you. Take care of yourself, man. Carl and Borosenko went undercover. Do stuff like that.

Like if you want to expose this thing, don't pariah, please. And I agree with you to an extent because you're right. Like I don't want something bad happening to Nick. I don't want something bad to happen to Katie. Andy saw what happened to Charlie. And at the same time, we shouldn't have to be in a situation where citizen journalists are going out doing their jobs and unable to do so, or independent journalists, going out and unable to do their jobs, because the streets

have been taken over by left-wing extreme violent forces. Look at that video of Nick Shirley that we played the other night, where he's running around and the guy's in his face, and it's okay, they're painting a laser on him with this green dot, all right, fine, but guess what? He could have, he could have had a

weapon. He could have killed Nick. Yeah, yeah. He could have killed him. And now, by the way, the Portland police last night said, oh, well, we can't do anything about this because it's too dangerous. Now they've posted a picture of the girl who assaulted Katie. And they're saying, we'd like help from the public to identify this person arrest him. The public was being assaulted by this person and you stood there and did nothing while the victim was begging for you to arrest her assaulter.

And then she comes on my show with a giant black eye earlier today. And I'm sitting there. And we got to worry about, You know, these men, and I'm sorry, it is the men, you know, who should know better, who should be taking this more urgently that are talking about it. Oh, well, it's a both sides thing. We shouldn't have cancel culture. Guys, shut up, right? We need to step up and get control of this before more people get hurt and die.

Here's the problem I see. And this is why I was making reference to, not to single out Dana White, but he did get this interview. There are many people in this space. They are the Trump supporting moderates, I suppose, that are saying, we don't want to do that. We don't want to be like that. You've got these, you've got certain individuals like, I think Seth Dillon was on this, this, this, this, this, this, this, where he was like, we don't engage in cancel culture and all that. And this attitude of we should not have a, a line will be our downfall. The left has been unrelenting in their censorship and their abuse of power.

Let me, let me add to this. I just bumped into a CBP agent earlier today, and he showed us photos, and I told him you should probably go public with this, and he was concerned about getting in trouble. I said, I don't know that the Trump administration is going to be mad at you if you expose what's going on. The pictures that I saw, I wish I could get for you, maybe we'll press a little bit further, and maybe we can work with him on this one, or work with the department with DHS to make sure that these can be done in a proper manner. photos of store rooms full of resources for illegal immigrants there's uh some of the stories that I was told as hundreds of thousands of dollars being spent on their health care as soon as they walk in they're like I'm sick I need health care and then we pay for it we for too long have we have the left has run roughshod liberals have just done whatever they've wanted they open

the border and let in 10 to 20 million people while we foot the bill for all of those costs We elected Donald Trump and said, we are concerned about immigration. Please, Trump, we want to do this legally and lawfully, which I still believe is the appropriate way to do it. Yet still, even after Charlie Kirk was brutally murdered, there are people who are like, now, now, slow down there, guys. We need to take this one easy. And I'm like, bro, there were four terror attacks in four weeks. I think right now we should be talking about how seriously we need to take this and stop sitting here saying, no, no, everything's fine. I've been thinking about brutality in general, how the United States really hasn't seen it.

We saw in May 7, what is it, May 4th, 1970, the National Guard killed four college students. I think about China, Tiananmen Square. Who were attacking them. Yeah, they were throwing rocks. The kids were throwing rocks at the National Guard, and they opened fire. It wasn't just rocks. Four guys. Okay, so they were really attacking them.

Yes. So in China, Tiananmen Square in 1992, I think it was brutal crackdown. You don't see street violence in China anymore. 24th, 89. So what level of brutality are you guys willing to witness? Ian, I'm going to ask you this again because you're, you're, you're, I think it's a good point you're making in that people need to hear this

from an amoral worldview. Charlie Kirk was murdered in cold blood in front of his family. I mean, the video was, but his family was not present. His family was not there. They were not present. Oh, okay. I was, I know that that's kind of been out there, but they were

not. They were not. Conflicting reports also. It's just here to tell you they were true correct and honest. They were not present. Let's just. Erica came I think what happened was that because, you know, Phoenix and Salt Lake City are fairly close in proximity flight time. So Erica got to Salt Lake City very quickly. And I think a lot of people kind of conflated that, but she had actually not been attending an event.

And the kids in general don't go to events. Then let me walk that back as it is unnecessary to the greater point. When Ian, you ask, what brutality are we willing to witness? And I'm like none, but the left has not stopped in a decade. So if your attitude is they've killed, they'll kill again, but we don't want brutality, so we're going to sit back and take it, you are wrong. No, I want to know how much brutality you're willing to sit by and watch happen because there's some coming. I think the first step to unwind this, and Jack made this point, and I think Jack made a very good point by saying a lot of the times police officers are complicit in many of these instances for allowing it to happen, but not allowing you to defend yourself. And there are a number of documented cases that I went through personally where people attack me, people steal my stuff, people assault me and the police officers are like, good luck.

but but you know or right winger does something automatically they're they're all on top of them so at least allow people one to defend themselves uh two and if you're going to enforce the laws enforce them uh actually equally uh which i think is important jason you were talking about you know stuff that happened to you i don't know if you want to share or open up about what happened you i mean you're a comedian you make you make people laugh exactly what you just said um i was at a anti-trump protest and i come in doing my thing i have a little bullhorn i hired a guy to play Elon. This is right after the chainsaw thing. But you think they would

like that at an anti-trial court's... Yeah, it would be funny. Yeah, exactly. But, well, it's either or, because some people think I'm making fun of them. Yeah. But so, but they viciously, they just saw somebody dressed as Trump and they all literally ran after me and the cops were there. And then

we got kicked out. I mean, my microphone got thrown off, you know, I had to replace it. But yeah, no, I was hit. I was all sorts of stuff. It was all so fast, but I got it all on camera too. You okay? But yeah, that was fine.

But then we got escorted out and zero repercussions for those who attacks. Jamie Ruskin... Let me pull up this video, sorry, because this is in line with what we're talking about. Luke just sent me this.

This is a video from Cam Higby. A leftist decided to physically attack me at Union Station tonight. I deployed Mason self-defense. It's an important video. I want to... Here's a license. Here's a license.

Stop, stop, stop, stop. Oh! Oh! Hey, yeah, yeah. So this is Cam Higby. He's been going to universities. He's been offering up to bait, sitting down in chairs. And this is what they try to do.

It's antagonistic, low-grade attacks. Well, he's defending himself. Is she like on her knees right there? Pushing into him and trying to grab his hat or the microphone. And then he deploys Mace. I don't want to see any of this happen. I don't. Horrible.

But the problem is, if you watch every time someone like Andy No or Nick Shirley or, you know, literally anybody goes on the ground. They play this game where they know that they're doing enough to disrupt to lightly damage, but it's hard to get police to do anything about it. He might get in trouble now. If the district attorney sees this click and they're financed by George Soros, they're like, oh no, he used Mace. Why did he use Mace? And there's a big chance. And it has happened in places like New York City where people defend themselves, you go to jail, which is insane. So I was just going to say, I, Jamie Raskin ordered a hit on me at Union Station a couple of weeks ago.

And I, so I'm going to this pro-life gala, and I get off the train at Union Station. And actually, my wife had been there to pick me up. And I happen to see that Jamie Raskin is there with like a bunch of union workers. And this is when they were doing the anti-Dose stuff. And I said, oh, wow, Jamie Raskin. And it's got a bullhorn. And so I walk over and, you know, it's Jamie Raskin. So I start, you know, filming and he's going and surrounded by all these union workers.

And, and Jamie Raskin is going. And he's doing his thing. And he's, and then he starts saying, and you know something? The people are with us. The American people are with us. They support us. They support what we're doing? And I, and I'm like, well, Jamie, if the American people support you, why'd they vote for Donald Trump?

You know, if they support you so much. And he's like, what? what and then he just like gestures at me the entire crowd of union workers comes in and just starts beating me um they they grab my my bag which right here which had my tablet in it they attack my phone they do all of this i've got all this on video wow they push me they're shoving me the six years from sunday and i go over now they get across capital police start screaming at me capital police start saying why did you why did you start a fight over there and they said and then the union guys went over to Capitol Police and said, hey, can you arrest that guy?

He's threatening the congressman. Wow. And I said, I have the entire thing on video. I'm more than happy to show this to you. I never made a single threat. I never made a threatening gesture. And then the Capitol Police officer told me that, oh, well, I can see you moving towards him. I said, I'm moving towards him because the crowd is shoving me towards him after they, after he pointed at me to be assaulted. I made a report about this. Capitol Police has never done anything. And I pointed out exactly who it was. They just let them all walk away.

I just, you know, look, I can respect and appreciate a lot of the moves that the executive branch is making. That's actually legislative. As an aside, too, I'm wondering, like, with this Alex Jones thing, like, why isn't there any kind of intervention at the federal level of a clear violation of his rights? I guess. You know, the company? Yeah, like, come on. I mean, it's a bit egregious and insane over defamation to completely destroy a company 10 years later. I'm not going to defend what he said, but it's ridiculous the lengths they went to destroy info wars.

And I'm saying, okay, look, is perhaps like a Harmeet Dillon angle on civil rights being violated here or something with the courts in the state that they could stop this? We should pull up the story if we haven't yet. I don't think we pulled it up on the show yet, but Alex Jones is shutting down. Yeah, he just mentioned that the court said today, they're taking them down. Yeah, what's the way? I haven't seen the latest. To be fair, that the challenge on this one is, and with all due respect to Alex is, we've heard this quite a bit. At least three times, yeah.

Yeah, so we've heard quite a bit the judges ordered the shutdown and we've covered it. And then there's a stay of some sort. So we have another one of these stories where he's saying federal judge green lights the shutdown, something may intervene. But isn't there something to be done now with winning the election where we have the DOJ, the Civil Rights Division, that we can start countering these things? I do get that there's finite bandwidth. But we need now more than ever to see like, Jack, why did they let those guys? guys attack you. I mean, we know what these people are doing. Right. And someone who's got to put up. And I posted the video. And again, you know, Capitol Police never even reach out to me

afterwards. I did have some, some good communication with the Speaker's Office afterwards where where I discussed it and they looked into it, but couldn't even get a sit down. They couldn't even get rid of Paul Ilhan Omar off of her committees. It feels like, I'm reading about the like the fascists of the 1920s, Muslim people don't get what time we're in. And the craziness of mom. The craziness of mobs like how a mob can just do some horrible thing to another human and then it's over and then like what then there's the mob standing around and did the mob disperses and like just don't be that guy that enraged the mob i want you to imagine that you're standing on the gallows in front of a sea of one thousand liberals and the executioner is walking up to the news and they say plead your case to

the people do you believe that there is anything you could say in any infinite amount of time that would make them say, this man should be allowed to live and be free to go? Nope. Technically, but I doubt I'd come up with it. That's actually a decent answer. I mean, in the grand scheme of the universe, you could probably figure out something, but in all reality, it's 99.99% they don't know, they don't care. They're going to scream, burn the witch.

They're going to scream, boo, they're going to throw rocks. Yeah, don't be the rich. The witch, don't be the rich. It's Robespierre. It's France. How do you do you? They did not know or care. They said off with their heads.

And I sense bloodthirst in these mobs sometimes. I don't know, when you tell me that you were yelling, well, you didn't, did you yell? When you yell at Raskin with a big crowd or do you, would you do it again? Of course I'd do it again in a heartbeat. Why? Why? Because this is the United States of America and I'm allowed to have freedom of speech. And if this guy is going to be some leader who, by the way, through Steve Bannon in jail, through Jamie or through Jamie Raskin through Peter Navarro in jail over a complete lie over January 6.

And I can't even go up and confront him in public without having a union mob of his. thugs attack me then then you know what then i am going to do that and we're going to continue to do that because if we cower then they win yeah well you don't have to be coward by the way and turning and turning point USA by the way is going to continue doing events and yes to your point we are going to continue being tactical and and look sometimes it takes those tactics to be able to force a conversation and look i did not expect a sitting member of congress to do that but that is how blatantly untouchable these people feel they are. And you know what? We're letting them. We're the ones letting them be untouchable. It's like that video with Cam, where these liberals

assault people and get away with it all the time. This only stops when police start just arresting them. When feds go arresting them. So long as these cities keep saying liberals are allowed to do it, there's only, there's only, you know what I heard, Jack, I heard that there's a lot of people from Washington moving to Arizona. I mean, there's a lot, the left coast coming in. Yeah, why are they leaving? Could it be that Portland is a war zone? The businesses are shut down. What, Oregon?

Was it? You said Washington. Oh, right, right. Well, I just mean Pacific Northwest. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. From the left coast. And so you've got Seattle is a disaster. Portland is a disaster.

So people are fleeing. The end result is obvious. The politically appointed police and politicians that get elected in these places are not going to change the way they handle things. more and more regular people will flee the anarcho tyranny, and you will get geographic bifurcation. What does that result in? Well, I mean, it depends. You know, you've got, I know I get what you're going for, but it results in, you results in massive schisms in the United States, particularly on flash button issues, one of which would be because it's because of the Dobbs decision is now a state's rights issue is abortion. So, you know, you're going to get a situation where, where certain states are going to have.

wildly different laws from other states, but you're also going to, but here's the key difference, you're going to have a group of people who says those states aren't allowed to have those laws. Let's, let's do some math real quick, some political math. California has banned federal agents from any law enforcement wearing masks, which is targeting ICE. The DHS has instructed their agents to continue bringing their masks. Yeah, they have no ability to instruct Will Gavin Newsom enforce his own laws? So have his police go up against, or like state troopers, I suppose? State troopers, are they going to enforce the mask law against federal law enforcement?

He's not going to do it. No, I don't think he's going to do it. What if he does? What if he did, then yes. You would absolutely get into a standoff of state and federal authority where you could have a clash. So the question right now is simply... I don't think it would, but hypothetically. The question is, will Gavin Newsom seek to enforce this law?

Because, and everyone wants to say no. I'm fine with the assumption that it won't, but I'm also concerned about normalcy bias and optimism bias. Gavin Newsom wants to win the presidency, has already stated he fears there won't be an election. And he's going to do what the people in California tell him to do. And they are going to say, ICE is kidnapping people. They are blackbagging my neighbors. Newsom do something. And he's going to be like, this is my path to victory.

That's why they have the law in the first place. I believe there's actually a decent probability. He does try to enforce this. Now, the real risk is, I think the likely path of enforcement, if he does, this takes effect January 1st, 26th, is through, I believe they say that it's a civil fine. It's a misdemeanor that results in a civil penalty for these law enforcement officers. These ICE officers live in California, and they work for the federalized facilities in that state. I think the state's going to go after their homes, their resources, their assets, and they're going to,

put the pressure on the ice agents of. If you obey Trump, we will take your life from you. We'll put your family at risk financially and through resource. It's not going to be so obvious and easy as they're going to try and have you arrested, which creates bad optics. It's literally going to be a sheriff's house and says, look, we've got an order for, you know, we're taking your house. You owe the state, you know, $37,000, which you haven't paid, so we're seizing your assets. It's not going to be an overtly political issue. It's going to be the story of a guy who owes money to the state for some reason. This is the conflict that results in federal agent saying, we can't do this job anymore. There is going to be a muddy conflict

between the state and the federal government. We've already seen one of the more terrifying things of Gavin Newsom asserting authority of the National Guard, Trump asserting his authority, it's going to the courts, it's bouncing back and forth. Now Oregon is doing the same thing, suing the federal government over whether or not Trump has the actual authority to command the National Guard. what happens when the constituents of California or Oregon demand of their governors stop listening to Trump. What he's doing is illegal. They've already asserted it's illegal.

They believe it's illegal. They're going to say Trump packed the courts. You know what? Let's go to why I think the Jedi are the bad guys. And I mean somewhat jokingly. But the line in Revenge of the Sith when Anakin says, we can't kill the emperor, which put him on trial. And he says, he controls the courts.

He controls this and he must be stopped now. that line of thinking, these people think that they are the fictional heroes who are saying Trump controls the courts. He controls a Supreme Court. It's corrupt and illegal what they're doing. They must be stopped. I just want to preface my response to this by saying the prequels are not canon. There are three Star Wars movies and there's a whole bunch of fan fiction. So beyond that, except for the EU, which is canon. Shout out to all my base Star Wars EU enjoyers. But that's exactly you're right. So what you're saying is, and take it back a second, because Tim, you and I were talking earlier, why do they have this fervor? It's theological. It is a sort of anti-religion, if you

will, where they have the theological fervor that they, where conservatives typically do not. A conservative will say, I don't want to be too conservative. Leftist's number say that. Leftists will say, guys, whoa, we don't want to go too far here, getting too many people fired. We're canceling too many celebrities. They never say that. They never say that at all. They only get stopped by the ballot box or by market share or something like that. They never, ever stop because they have the courage of their conviction. They actually do, by the way.

And that's something that a lot of conservatives lack. And you know why? And Charlie Kerr will tell you why. Because he did a video before he died where he said the reason that so many Republicans and conservatives are terrified of going on offense is because they see what happens because of people like Jamie Raskin. And they see what happens to a Steve Bannon or a Jack Pesop. who gets this, you know, union thug after him in the same spot where Cam Hakeby's out right now.

Or a Peter Navarro gets sent to jail or Donald Trump getting almost shot at. Or now, and you could even add a piece in, you know, where, and I'm not going to edit Charlie's video, but I was like, wow, you could even edit that video and have someone, just maybe like a scrolling text, right? And I would say, you know, three weeks after this video was taken, Charlie Kirk was shot dead on campus. I think you are right about people, there's a chilling effect about the individuals standing up to power and getting arrested or their lawyers getting arrested. And people are like, a lot of people are very happy that the government seems to be doing it in the harshest way possible, as fast as possible, because they feel powerless. They feel like if they did try it, they would just get arrested or in four years they'd get arrested. And I don't, I hope, I don't know that relying on the government to solve the problem is the answer.

Well, Ian, here's the thing, right? You just mentioned Mussolini. So when the government doesn't step up and protect your people, when the government collapses, when the government shows itself to be ineffective, people start seeking other means. With Mussolini, they basically, Italy destroyed itself in World War I. They killed all their men trying to take the Asanzo River to the east. So they were a wrecked monarchy. And they, they, the fascist marched on the capital. They took like 500,000 men and that's what I mean. That monarchy, right? That monarchy was seen as a government in collapse, and it was seen as an illegitimate government. And the government didn't want to any bloodshed. They were like, just let him have the country. The king was like, just to have, I'm going to advocate if you don't give them the country. That when people don't get relief from the violence from government, not failing to do its job, then they will start seeking other means.

Indeed, the question is confidence. Why is someone willing to accept a dollar bill for a good or service? because there's confidence that they will be able to exchange that later for something they needed. I see a dollar, and I say, I want that. Why? I can go buy a candy bar with it. Luke says, okay, well, I want you to clean the floors. And I say, oh, great, I'll get a dollar for this. Same thing is true for government. The government only exists through confidence. And it's the fear of the monopoly on violence that largely keeps people in line.

It wasn't always that way. It wasn't supposed to be that way. But the point that I've made over the past several years is the thought experiments is to imagine you're at home, Jack, and you hear your doorbell ring. if you got a ring doorbell, whatever. And you walk up and you look outside and there's a clown, a literal clown in a full clown outfit. Hmm. And you go, uh, I didn't order the clown today.

He was supposed to come tomorrow. You go, can I help you? And he goes, clown police, open up. I have a warrant. And you go, huh? I'm not opening my door for you. I have a warrant. And he holds it up.

Then three clowns come up behind them with vests on. Yep. And they're like, open your door, clown police. What would, you'd be like, what is going on? You go, your clowns are not coming in my house. The reason I say something so. ridiculous is that when we get to the point where a police officer of any law enforcement on any faction is not recognized by the individual in their home, they will behave as though a

clown shut up on their doorstep. And their warrant is as meaningful as a clown warrant. That's what happens when there's no confidence in government. Meaning, if a clown shows up, I have no confidence they can enforce anything, nor they have any authority. I have no fear of any retribution or reprisal if I defend myself from clowns trying to break into my house. But if a cop says got a warrant it's coming in your house, you know that all you can do is comply. So we had like the force is the government and then we just have different people in charge. So when Biden was in charge, they arrested all those people for JAN-6. It felt like people were getting the raw end of the deal that they weren't being protected for these four years. Before that, it never really happened.

And after that, well, I mean, whatever you want to think about today, different people tell you different things. But that lack of confidence only seemed to have built over that four-year period. So I don't think it's so lost that it's been like 20 years. of hopelessness that the government's impotent. I think there's a chance right now. And that chance really cannot be squandered. Because if they don't get it right, and so, you know, you mentioned talking about clown police. So, you know, and Luke, you know this as well, you know, having grown up in Eastern Europe,

Tanya, my wife, growing up in the collapse of the Soviet Union and would tell you that, you know, and we've talked about it. There's a whole TV show about it that just came out and we were talking. And it's like the police, so what ends up happening is that you get gangs and gangs and criminals really rise up. And some gangs might control a whole city, but other gangs, it's typically like a street or a neighborhood or a couple of streets or something. They're always beefing. And then the police just become, they're sort of like another gang. And so because there's so much violent and so many reprisals and no authority to stop any of it that if you don't join the gang, I mean, you're fair game, basically.

And so everyone is forced into these situations because your entire government, your entire society is collapsing all around you. This is why I ask what level of brutality you're willing to allow to create order. I mean, there's going to be some evil done to create some order because our country has been floundering in the state of chaos. It can't happen. If China has a more ordered country than we do, then it's going to show the world that they have a better system than we do. And we're all going communist if that happens. Define better. Less violence on the street, a more ordered system.

At what cost, of course. At what cost? But if you look on the street, people aren't scream. We don't see Antifa riding on the streets of China right now. And always has been. Because Antifa took over China. As I stated earlier, if everybody in this country had the same moral worldview as Charlie Kirk, you'd need no police.

Not a single law enforcement officer. That is true, obviously. But it's always been an impossibility to have that kind of uniformity. Except in the early days of this country, we didn't have police forces. Just militias? Well, it was just the local guys. And the militia was just the local guys who had weapons. and the police, I think police came in to be in the 18th century.

They started to emerge. And now we've got internet videos. So when there's a riot in Portland, the federal government knows within three minutes and they can get federal troops there within an hour. But 30 years ago, they wouldn't even hear about the riot until the next day. Requiring written laws is a horrible sign for your civilization. The fact that we have to write down what people should not do, like, you ever see a sign and you're like, that sign is there because someone did it.

Imagine there's a sign on the wall here and it said, don't take a dump on the floor. Yeah, I got a couple of those in the Navy. Yeah, you'd be like, that means someone did it and had to remind everybody. It's becoming a problem. We have to write this down. The other thing was they use the word permitted.

I'm like, well, why would you have to tell me? I'm a lot to do everything. Why would you have to make a sign that says I'm permitted to do this? Basically, I'm a sovereign animal human that can do anything I want. I was like six looking at a sign and said, smoking permitted. And I'm like, why would you even tell? Obviously, you can't. Tell me when it's not allowed. Don't tell me when I'm allowed to do and assume that I can't.

When you're infringing upon someone else. It's just a weird way to put a sign up. Here you can do it. Well, like, duh. I look at it like, you know, like the, like three states of matter in terms of population density. You have a sphere around you that grants, that, that affords you certain abilities. And that is if you're in the middle of nowhere, Your freedom range is massive. You can shoot a gun. You can shoot a gun on a 2,000 meter range if you have this space around you, where you're not going to cause problems infringement people. Then you move into the suburbs, and now your range has dropped substantially down to maybe

only like 30 or 40 feet. You can't shoot a gun in suburbs unless there's a dedicated range area. Then in cities, you have no freedom range. You are all tightly packed in concrete boxes in a big block. that smells like sour milk. And you can't even play the drums. You can't play your guitar too loud because you'd start offending,

like you start encroaching on other people and their levels of comfort. And so the rules get tighter and tighter and tighter, the closer we live together. What we have in cities is you basically have limited freedom, if any. They don't let you do anything. Leave in the country, you can do whatever you want.

But however, and I would just add to that, that cities also afford you the ability. They afford you a lot of benefits from living in a city as well. So there's the convenience of living in a city. There's the communicative ability of living in the city. There's the ability to, you have culture, of an economy, you have society. This all comes from the bottom of the city, right? So it is the convenience, the accessibility, the speed of our society.

Civilization itself comes from the cities. This is my urban right thing that I've been working on where that we wouldn't have any of the things that we have today. if we end there are tradeoffs to be sure and what you're describing is these tradeoffs and are these tradeoffs but without those you don't get the advances and you don't get the social society and civic society that we have today and early on in america i mean it was it was like frontier my point is ian if you want to smoke wherever you want get a boat go out to the middle of the ocean where you'll bother nobody so that it was a tangent the reason i i bring in up like laws and just brutality in general and order and how to produce order through making evil you don't always have to do evil to make order

but sometimes it works, is that Trump just called all the generals. Pete Higgs said, and he were talking to all the generals, and Trump said, hey, maybe we're going to, no,

you didn't even say maybe. He said, we're going to practice, you guys can practice in Chicago. Like, telling the military, you're going to go into Chicago and practice and get ready.

I believe it's Chicago, Chicago, Portland. And, uh, Chicago. Yeah. Chicago. So he told the troops, you're going to practice your job,

which is killing people. That's not correct. Well, the military's main job is destroying the enemy. In Chicago, you're going to practice that. I, I think, I challenge that notion quite a bit.

Destroying people infrastructure. The military does a lot more than destruction, but it is fair to say that they should be effective killing machines. Yeah. I think. They use force. They use force, but I, and I would argue that it's fair. The military has a lot in terms of domestic support, border support, security.

It's not about destroying the enemy, yes, but I don't like that neoliberal, like that liberal economic order worldview of sending our troops overseas to destroy. destroy enemies unseen to the American people. And I don't think it's fair to characterize the military as killing machines or destructive forces when they're trying to protect their home. The best thing you could do is turn your enemy into your friend. The military's job really isn't that, though. That's like the president and the diplomacy aspect of the governments. The military's job is if diplomacy breaks down, they do what they do. And to say, going to Chicago and train that is like, what kind of brutality is he anticipating? Sorry. No, I was going

to say, I do, I get what you're saying. I get what you're saying. And I consider you and talk about, yes, the military has humanitarian assistance and disaster relief, authorities, infrastructure, National Guard. But I get what you're saying. You're saying the point of a standing, the main and primary point of having a standing army is their ability to wage war, right? It is the war department, right? And my God, I would, I don't want to live in a society where we have to talk about

sending the military into Chicago. I don't want to live in a society or Philly or Baltimore or New York or all of these. I don't want any of this, right? And but we are forced to because the situation has gotten so bad. And we can talk about the great migration and we can talk about all these things that have happened that have gotten us to this point. But we are facing them and we are facing them right now. And I've always said this is, it's funny to me mentioned that because I always say like

this is kind of the difference between, you know, your rural conservative and your urban right. Whereas like the rural conservative and we know that guy. Like we love that guy, right? He's the, you know, he has a pickup truck. He's got a bunch of long guns in there. he's got all that freedom and he's fighting to conserve that, whereas the urban right, you know, has already sort of lived with all of these tradeoffs their whole life. And so they are fighting for their home that was stolen from them in so many of these cases. And you've seen it in all the

great cities of America. And they're in some cases actually quite more reactionary and more radicalized because they've seen it happen before their eyes. So the issue is, Ian, well, to finalize that point I was making about the military. When we sent National Guard to places, they're not just killing people. The military does a lot in support of the interests of the United States beyond just combat, is my principal point. If we were to deploy military to the streets of Chicago or like we did in L.A., they're not shooting and killing anybody. That's not at all what they were doing. So I guess, ultimately, however, the question is for you, Ian, would you rather get shot by a gangbanger for literally no reason just because you're a white guy in the wrong

neighborhood or have some National Guardsman on the corner wave at you as you walk past. Oh, well, National Guard, didn't you know, the reality, you know, for me, I know what it's like to walk past National Guard. I was in Ferguson during the riots. They had National Guard stationed like, like a two bucks down. We walked over. Let's go check at the National Guard. We walked up, hey, guys, how's it going? They were like, it's going pretty good. How about yourselves? And we were like, what are you guys doing here? And they're like, we're here in case things get off, you know, we've been asked to do this. You've seen him in D.C. now, right? Super chill. I haven't, I haven't actually interacted over. Oh, no, it's the same thing.

seen him, but same exactly. So, so I grew up in Chicago. I walk down the street. My buddy, I get mugged. I get a guy threatens to stab me. These are common occurrence. I watch, I got shot at for no reason. And so you ask someone like me like, hey, the Democrats have controlled Chicago for 100 years. They've never dealt with this problem. If you were to ask me, I'd say, why don't they request help from federal law enforcement to just end all of the gangs? You know, Chicago could write a single letter to Trump, Trump and gangs in Chicago, and he'd say, done. And I'm willing to bet in a couple of months there'd be no more gangs in Chicago. But is that because they would lay waste to like 30,000 people? No, because they'd literally stand in the street corners and go,

hey. They lay waste to themselves. They're playing politics. Yeah. Jason, how would Trump respond to Ian? Well, Ian, a little, a little hippie like, right? A little hippie. It's okay. I have hippie friends, right? Barron hung out with one once, and that was just one time. Okay. But look, we need toughness and we need strength. Okay? You know it. I do know it. I believe that it's true, actually. I think that if we don't make a show of force, that it would, the creep will continue. Why? Why won't Chicago in over 100 years request federal assistance to end gang violence? They probably think that the Marines would come in and kill a thousand people or something. I mean, because they're in on it. That's ridiculous. Because they're on it. Maybe they're, maybe. It's because they're in on it.

It's because they use these issues to get elected. They create uniparty control of the city for 100 years, and they don't want to clean it up because it's useful to them. And also if Trump could go in, and it's very, very simple. How do you stop gang vines in Chicago? National Guard stands on a street corner. But then they'd have to leave eventually, and then the gangs would just come back.

No, they wouldn't. But you know what Chicago did? Chicago bulldozed the homes and the black neighborhoods and just scattered the gangs into different suburbs and said, no more gangs in Chicago because they're in Joliet. Don't you think gangs is just a phenomenon of big cities? Gang is a phenomenon of no law enforcement. So a good example is the favelas in Brazil.

When the World Cup was coming to Brazil, the government decided to do what they called pacification of the favelas. Because there was no law enforcement, the de facto government was the gangs. In these areas in Chicago, police will not go because they're like, eh, gangs run that. So they don't go there. They don't deal with it. And if they do, they're like, you've got to be real careful when you go in these neighborhoods. Chicago cops themselves are deeply corrupt and have been for a very long time

operating allegedly operating black sites. We had that one cop I always forget his name

who was electrocuting people into false confessions. The city has been it has been

mafia Democrat gang control for 100 years. There's another reason why I'm not a

default cops are always good no matter what because I grew up in Chicago. If Trump

Trump wanted to and there's political challenges to this he could end all the gangs

in Chicago it would not be bonds it would not be shootouts there's actually some gangs

I'll be very grateful that he does it. the the government of illinois pritzker could say why why do we have 800 deaths per year in Chicago from gun violence well clearly our law enforcement can't handle it mr president can you assist us trump would say we'll have this taken care of in a few months gun violence will be over in fact you can like like you mentioned with dc crime dropped immediately just because they're

walking around bukele proved the answer brucle ended the argument bukele ended the argument completely He completely debunk 50 or 100 years of Democrat, liberal professors and academics and academia and all the rest of it who said, oh, well, you know, the socioeconomic factors that, no, no, no, the worst of the worst, you put them behind bars. How brutal was that? Because it wasn't televised, really. Do you know much about? I mean, it was mainly mass arrests. The main, the vast bulk of it was mass arrests. Of people with, like, gang tattoos, known gang affiliations.

Yeah, and cartel, too. is even like worse than just gang. There are legitimate and absolute concerns about innocent people getting wrapped up in these things or former gang members who have abandoned that lifestyle, but they still have the tattoos and things like that. I respect those concerns. The challenge always is we are not looking at a one for one. It is not so simple to say today's circumstance are the same as 30 years ago.

30 years ago, maybe, well, actually Chicago's had the problem for 100 years, so it need to be cleaned up. But it's one thing 10 years ago to be like, well, we don't want cops to go around and arrest everybody. We need to make sure of forces. Okay, well, they shot and killed Charlie Kirk. They killed Aaron Danielson. There have been numerous terror attacks on ice. We've had 30 plus this year.

There is a time when you're going, here's the example I give. Don't take your garden hose and spray down your living room floor, right? Why would you ever do that, Ian? Is there any reason? Is there any reason you'd ever grab your garden hose? What if your floor's on fire? Exactly. Yeah, yeah. Or

you want to wash the pee off or something. The water damage will be pretty bad. but the fire damage is worse. And I don't want to live in a burning home, but sometimes you spray your house down with water. Hey, man, and Ellup, your ante here. I'm going to raise your bet because also there's a global insurgency inside the United States right now.

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Is that true? No, no, that's not true. But the Pope had was embroiled in this controversy regarding, senator dick durbin who funny enough actually would have been his senator if he still lived in chicago uh because he's senator for illinois where dick durbin was going to receive an uh acknowledgement the sort of like uh you know uh proclamation from a local diocese the archdiocese chicago and uh they asked uh the pope about it and he basically said well even though he's a huge abortion supporter you know should we do this and he said well i think we have to look at the totality of of what he

stands for and and I wouldn't necessarily be against it and have to look at all that. And so even though the Pope basically kind of, you know, absolved him of his pro-abortion stance, Durbin actually did step down and say, and didn't, and, you know, is not going to be going forward with this celebration. Interesting. All right. We got Scribblyberry says, Luke again. Isn't that guy in a list for going to a certain island? That's right. I love when I introduce Luke to people, and they're like, oh, nice to meet you all, Beck. He's been Epstein Island. And I'm like, I wasn't invited. They didn't ask me to go. So we have to, we have to find out where the new island is to figure out where Bad Bunny went to. So I want

to check the travel. Do you think that Trump was an informant for the FBI? And that's why they won't release it? No, but Trump did help out some of the victims. Yeah, I think that was a misstatement. But the whole situation now, him calling that a hoax is super weird. All right. Let's see. We got Leah Wolf the red. He says, we need the GOP to win in New Mexico, too. Dems have ruined my state and preventing oil and gas development, not to mention MLG banning 2A in Bernalillo County. New Mexico is conquered. New Mexico, I mean, there's, like, I love Santa Fe. I think Santa Fe. I think Sanofi is gorgeous. I think it's beautiful. It's actually America's either oldest or one of its oldest cities.

I think it's a great town. I've been there a bunch of times. And I've just huge. huge, huge fan. My old blog used to have a connection to Santa Fe before I was in politics. And I love Meow Wolf. I love going to the Jacques Cousteau theater there. And it's just really sad. Let's say New Mexico is being held. It's only conquered if the war ends and it's seated. It's occupied. But we can win it back. By the way, all of these things can be done with willpower. We can flip California red. We could fix, we could fix New Mexico. We could flip New Jersey read. And by the way, we're going to in four weeks. We are going to flip New Jersey red. All it takes is willpower. I think the polls don't matter as much. The bigger question I have is how much work

has ICE done in the district? Maybe I should go out there on, what is it, November 5th? Maybe we should make sure that ICE is out there. I'm just saying. Put a little pressure on the voters. Just saying, on the criminals, let that not happen. All right, here's a good one to make sure that no illegals are voting because obviously that's illegal, right? So we're just going to make sure we're forcing the law in New Jersey on election day. All right, here's a going. Mike Ross says, I just came up with a theory. Does changing the name of the Department of Defense to the Department of War potentially cancel contract with NGOs or other third-party activist agencies? I had to tell the answer is no, but could you imagine like Hegg Seth and Trump? They're like, we got all this

debt. How do we get out of it? I know. Just change your name. Let's try it anyway. That's not me. That's not me. All right. Atlantis Lion says, the fact that Jimmy Kimmel got his showback is the definition of nothing ever happens. I'm with Mary Morgan on that. We are all Charlie. Amen. I mean, I think the last part proves that things happen and sometimes it's terrifying and not good. All right.

Unisole says Captain America is the story based on, based off Audie Murphy. I mean, maybe there's inspiration there. Obviously, you know the story of Audi Murphy. I do. And yeah, yeah, young man from Tennessee. There's a great Sabaton song about him. Oh, yeah. Let's see.

Text Ray says, Tom McDowell. Donald halftime show. Okay. Yeah. I'm going to tell you, I've gotten a lot. And, you know, I can't get into like any of the conversations, but there's been a lot of interest in this Creed show. Bro, I'd be so down.

There's been a lot of interest. Everybody loves Creed. Sell out a stadium. 100,000 people watching Creed. Well, actually, one thing that came up is that, you know, we might not be able to get a stadium because the NFL, right, would. not want another stadium to be used to like counter program. And the stadium owners might be in a bad position. Okay. Okay. So we'd have to do an arena more than landerground. So if you can't,

we can get an arena. But our arena is what? Like 12,000 seats? I mean, it's a range. Yeah, something like that. Hmm. It's going to be so hot. Okay. Bro, Scott's staff. Still good. But, and and by the way, I would want to set it up so that it's, you know, if we're putting on a totally separate event, my thinking would be that we don't, because typical half them show is what like a half hour like max like I would want to do more than 30 minutes of content so maybe you have like a lineup and then the show and then like a finale be and maybe the finale is the half time maybe we um we have a magic the gathering tournament with a halftime show that is creed right Ian that sounds like actually a very good yeah we're just we're just there for the great

magic the gathering halftime show if we get jd dance to play black jad jad jad jad d vans would come and J.D. Vance would roll everybody in there. People were asking me it was in the binder. Yes, it was J.D. Vance's a third edition. Gathering binder. He's got a nine four or five. Because it sure wasn't the Epstein files. It sure

wasn't that. Still don't have those. Nope. He's empty. That's good. All right. What do we got here? Ligma says, POSO is correct. The only band that should play halftime shows from this point out is Creed. It's the American thing to do. Just forever.

Amen. That's it. Every Super Bowl is just going to be creed. Amen. All right, what we got here? When we win. The Hat and Beard Show says MetaModern is just the core millennial value being forefront in the zeitgeist. We have and always hate posers.

Most leftists are clearly play acting. Well, I think liberals, I don't think they have ideology. I think they say what they have to say to make money. That's why they don't come on shows and debate because it doesn't make them money unless they get paid. and they get paid? Have you noticed when certain conservative or right-leaning podcasts pay people to come on, they just kind of agree with everything? There's

certain liberal personalities who've been hired or paid to go on shows and they just go, oh, you know, yeah, I didn't think about it. You're right. A lot of the liberal people I know they're ignorant and to get humiliate to like learn to get and to show your ignorance on TV is a rough ask. But if you tell them in private, they're always They'll do it for money. It's one of their kings.

It's a shame fetish. Yeah. Yeah. public shame for this Brushy honey says Snoop Dogg Creed duo Wow Snoop Dog did play Trump's inauguration He played the crypto ball

I was there And then he apologized for it didn't he Or he did he? I don't recall I mean I was there that night It was a pretty wild performance He was extremely high When he came out

That's all say All right Chronic Seeds Inc I wonder what he's up to Says what's this doorbell footage of Tyler with a female right under the shooting in the neighborhood, and why did FBI withhold this information?

I'd like to take this opportunity to just make a few points. We did a culture war debate on this one. First thing I'll say is I want any and all answers. Same. Who knows? For the record, same, obviously. Like I said last night. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

And it is obvious the FBI is not going to release every bit of information they have, especially if could compromise their investigation. So people are asking questions like, why didn't the FBI do this? Why didn't they do that? No, honestly, have to ask cash, but one simple example is when it comes to investigations, confessions,

or if they're trying, I'll put it like this. Let's say they're looking for something very specific that they saw in footage. Let's say it is a bag of in and out with, you know, like a happy face drawn on it. Why won't they put out the footage? Because they don't want people to go out and just buying a bunch of bags and out drawing happy faces on them and then littering the country and taking pictures of them and giving them noise and static. Certain information you want to keep close to the chest so that when you're looking for it, no one can fabricate or manipulate. So we deal with this in security where we once had a credible threat. I'll just tell you guys. I probably should, but I'm saying it anyway. We had a credible threat and we were forced to evacuate.

Now, often when we get swatted, we didn't have to evacuate. Why? In this instance, someone knew something specific. They should not have known. So when we got swatted, security said, I need to ask you if X is true. Is X true? I said X is true. Okay, we're evacuating the billing. Everyone out. How would someone have sent into a threat known a specific detail? Well, it compromised our security. So there are reasons why the FBI will collect information and not literally release evidence in the public because it could compromise the investigation. I am not defending anything the FBI has done. I'm giving you a rational explanation. And there are people saying, like, they should give us this piece of information. I say, well, for all you know, that piece

of information could actually help the shooter escape. And I will stress the one thing that's really disconcerning with these conspiracy theories is, by all means, I'm not going to tell people not to speculate, ask questions, do that. But I will also stress, boy, are people drumming up a lot of reasonable doubt for the defense. I have to bring this up. This has been on my mind a lot. When a tragedy happens, part of the human brain wants to know what caused that. Why did that happen and understand it so that it doesn't happen again?

We're better defended against it. But you have to keep moving. if you get distracted by what happened in the past new avenues of attack open up in front of you in all sorts of ways you don't see coming but when when when people are hurting and they don't know why they develop what's called madness and it either you're going to take you to sadness or anger so if you don't feel the sadness and you don't let yourself it's it's this hatred to figure out and to take control of the situation makes people come up with this fucking bullshit so lay off let them do their jobs i appreciate it thank you you know uh you know today's the uh

eight-year anniversary of the Las Vegas shooting. Wow. We still have no idea what happened. They never told us, and I'm upset about that. Yeah. I want to make sure this is clear. Like, I think journalism is important. I think the, I'll say this with respect to conspiracy theorists.

It's always a smear against people who are actually trying to figure out what's going on, and any good journalist is a conspiracy theorist. That being said, I think a lot of people are milking this for clicks, and they're putting out exaggerated claims, palm gun stuff. And that's just silly. And it's like it falls apart really quick. But I see people with, there are people who have channels like 10,000 subs and they've got like a million views. And so they're going to keep pushing these things.

And they're just muddying it, making it difficult for those of us that are trying to figure out what actually happened. Look, I don't have an issue with anyone who's trying to figure out what happened, Charlie, you know, in the sense that if that's really where they're coming from. Agreed. And that's and that's the way I look at it. If you're really coming from a place where you've got questions and who wouldn't, right? I've got questions. I sit up at night asking questions. And at the end of the day, though, if you are doing that in good faith, then good on you.

Like, that's what America is all about. I can't tell you how many people I've met who go, you knew Charlie, right? And I'm like, yeah, I'm like, did it really happen? And I'm like, brother. I get that too. I was on the, I was like the amount of phone calls I got of people screaming and crying. when this when this was going down I'm just like dude

when Ian Carroll the day after it happened said that Israel did it or the day two days after I'm like it was literally day after this is a form of real deep psychosis that needs to be addressed because you become so vulnerable when you forget what's in front of you and also it can be used against people

they don't let tragedies go to waste if you don't let it go it will get used against you I kind of completely stopped talking to a guy because he's like he didn't actually die and I'm like I can't I just can't it's like where do you think he's at honest question like we're here in the

you know what I will say is the weirdest thing Luke did you ever think that you'd be in the conspiracy theory it's just it's it's wild to have I have bumped into people I have people ask me legitimately there are people who think Charlie's still alive

and I'm like bro I will say this I walk into this building I look at these pictures. I look at the people working here. I have all the memories. Some days I wake up and my brain is telling me this can't have happened. But my view of it is not that there's a deep conspiracy. My view is we have warned about the assassination culture, the violent left. This has been something it's been on a writer. I've personally dealt with attacks, death threats, security issues.

I don't even know if I can bring, I can't bring up some of these things. But we've had, we've had security threats at our, at our studio. I feel like fate broke. like the path we were supposed to be on and the future we were heading towards was shattered. So I understand that feeling like you can't believe it, but to bring it to a place where you then push theories or these, I call it denial.

The idea that Charlie escaped on a trap door is one of these things. I'm like, guys, I give everything if that were true. You could take all my followers, every dollar in my bank account, take it all. I had one moment. And for it to be true. please do but sorry i mean i i think there there always is going to be conspiracies i mean

there's always people saying i was a part of some kind of other conspiracy because you because you bet burnaki yeah yeah yeah that that we did a whole bit about this back when we were still in my basement we we were like doing a conspiracy video about me and ben burnacki being in on it and and all that so there's always going to be uh conspiracies but i i think there are deranged people that have lost their minds right and i i think we should not give those people any attention. But I do believe that there are also some very serious legitimate questions. And the way to beat out those questions is just by asking serious questions and demanding transparency and accountability. I do believe the FBI could have done a way better job. I think there are still

some things that they could do better. And I think we need to focus on making sure that this never ever happens again. I think a lot of people genuinely are coming from a good place in their heart who care about Charlie, who love Charlie, who didn't want to see this to happen. There are crazy people don't give them any attention don't give the fire and fuel i agree i think it's fair to say that there's uh there were individuals posting on social media that indicated a foreknowledge and a larger group of people exactly the fbi is investigating those and cash has even tweeted about this i think it's absolutely fine to ask these questions and i think it's obvious the fb has not given us all the information they have so we don't know just yet so i i'll wrap that up there also the community

that i run and is a bunch of investigative journalists So I understand that if you're listening and you have espoused conspiracy theories. I understand that's your programming. That's the way you've worked. I'm not condemning conspiracy theorists or conspiracy theories because every good journalist is a conspiracy theory. I'm saying the people out there, like you were saying, Jack, who genuinely are trying to figure out what happened and legitimately mean it, whatever ideas they may have, I'm totally okay with and I encourage. And by the way, it's the people who are exploiting it. Like if people uncover something, a video, a picture, you know, Candace came up with some actual pictures that.

got a lot of information and information that we hadn't been out before and and like shout out for that obviously yeah yeah and we want as much of that as possible as much as possible of more direct information on what happened Charlie as much as much as much flag as she's

gotten um because people have been saying that she's insinuating Israel did or whatever in terms of the actual reporting she's done one of the best jobs and but but there are people who are putting out these wacky like there was one video that's got millions of views and they were like Charlie was shot from behind here's proof and they show a picture of in front of Charlie and I'm like guys you like come on man but I

we are going we are going over so this secret we are Ian we've gone over so you made me think that it's also a form of delusion to try and just put it to bed no that's also another weird thing for me to have done so I'm sorry to tell people that stop thinking about it and just let's do both we're over time let's wrap it up there so So, you know, it is what it is. We try to have this conversation, but smash the like button, share the show. Thank you all so much for watching.

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Beyond sell out. And the interest is through the beyond the roof. In fact, we may have to be expanding into like other. We're going to take over all of downtown Phoenix, basically. Yeah, I don't know what I'm supposed to say or whatever, but just the scuttle butt is buy your ticket literally right now. Yeah, buy it right now. Yeah, no joke, no joke. The past fears have been amazing.

James O'Keefe's parties are nuts. And there were already conversations of this being the biggest ever. Now, I'm just going to, I'll just, I'll just, I'll just, I'll just, you're going to, you're going to. Yeah. We've got very little time about to get a ticket. It's going to sell it. I'd love for you to be there and, you know, is what it is. Don't come crying to me if, you know.

Dude, there's, I'm not. You were warned. Jack's right about taking over of downtown. It's going to be the biggest ever and the tickets are going to sell it really quick. So anyway, Lou. Awesome. Ian, this was great. You haven't been back in a while.

I haven't been back this like old school days. This is like, we were doing this how many years ago back in? Five years. Let's keep doing it. Back when Trump wouldn't even come by. Yeah, I know. It's been fun. YouTube.com.

We are changed. Some people are confused by my t-shirt. It's not actually, D.D., it says, America, run on blackmail. You could get it on the best political shirts. com. When you do, you support me. I really appreciate that.

And it was great to have this kind of reunion with you guys. I got a lot of kind of old school moments of us back in the day in that little attic that we were in that was tightly knit. So it was a good thing, I like the attic. The attic was fun. Charlie debated Voshener, our edict. I remember that. Oh, what a night.

It was our studio table was actually four desks, four like Amazon desks. Yeah, yeah. It was like the four, yeah, like the square, yeah. Yeah, I think, I think Pop Culture Crisis still uses it. It was like insanely hot up there. They don't use it anymore? Yeah, it's been vacant. No, no, no, no, they moved it.

I'm pretty sure they still used it. Oh, they did, okay. All right, guys, smash the like button, share the show. Thanks for hanging out. We're back tomorrow morning with clips at Timcast News on YouTube and Rumble and at Tim Poole on Rumble, and we'll see you all there. Thank you.