Timcast IRL - NEW UFO Files Drop, ITS COMING w/ Flat Earth Dave, Tony Merkel, Alex Stein

Episode Date: September 19, 2026

On this episode Tim & Ian are joined by Flat Earth Dave, Tony Merkel, & Alex Stein for a special episode about Flat Earth, Gravity, Demons & more of the supernatural Hosts:  Tim @Timcast (everywhere) | https://www.shoutout.fans/timpool Phil @PhilThatRemains (X) | https://allthatremains.komi.io/ Ian @IanCrossland (everywhere) Producer: Carter @carterbanks (X) |  @trashhouserecords  (YT) https://carterbanks.komi.io Guests:  Flat Earth Dave | https://flatearthdave.com/ Tony Merkel @tony_merkel (X) | @TConfessionals (everywhere) Alex Stein @alexStein99 (X) David "Flat Earth Dave" Weiss is a content creator and prominent advocate of the flat-Earth movement who produces videos, podcasts, interviews, and educational materials presenting arguments against the conventional scientific model of a spherical Earth. Tony Merkel is a podcaster and filmmaker best known as the host of The Confessionals, a show featuring interviews about alleged paranormal experiences, UFOs, cryptids, and other unexplained phenomena. Alex Stein is an American comedian, political commentator, and online personality. He is known for political satire, provocative interviews, public confrontations, and comedic appearances at government meetings and political events.

The Pentagon has released more UFO files on a Friday. So what's that all about? The headline for every single news outlet everywhere is literal nothing. They're just bringing up old stories. There's nothing to talk about. Everybody's bored. Congress has left. They've not done their job.

The Fed has raised interest rates. There's a diesel shortage. Gas is through the roof. I think the Republicans have largely resigned to the fact they're going to lose the midterms. So they're running to try and minimize the damage. And they're releasing UFO files. I don't think it's a good distraction because they're related on a Tuesday, but we are going to talk about it. And to do so, tonight we have a preeminent conspiracy panel for all of you.

And, well, Alex, we'll start with you. Oh, sure. Me, guys, you know. You got to get close to that microphone. I'm primetime Alexine. You know, I'm the king of the conspiracy castle. Your favorite conspiracy asshole. And I'm just honored.

And it's such a privilege to have a flat earth Dave here to basically co-sign all of my crazy conspiracies because that guy's even crazier than me. me, so it's honor and privilege. I'm excited. And we got Ian, he freaking... Oh, this is insane. This is going to be great. Ian's here, too. I mean, come on. Let me pick it apart. You guys give me the numbers and I'll see if they're real or not. I said, this was going to be like when we had the Orthodox

Christian versus Catholic debate where it's, to the outside, you're wondering what they're even debating because it sounds so similar. So having all of these conspiracy leaders in one room, Dave, introduce yourself. Dave, known as Flat Earth, Dave. You can find all my content at Flatert.

And I know the earth is flat and I know it's not a globe and I know there's lots of things that I don't know. And algebra's not real. Algebra's not real. Tucker just said that and I agree with that, dude. I took algebra two and that's like main. That's the main thing. Okay. It decides, real quick, though, it decides if you get into college.

Algebra is very real. I use it every day. But it's retarded still. It doesn't make it not retarded. Tony, what's up? Who are you? Tony Merkel, Confessionals podcast. I guess if I'm an expert to be in the supernatural.

That's kind of my wheelhouse. Let's go. So the first thing I'll just say is algebra is very real and very important for game development. They added letters to numbers. What are we doing here, dude? That's made by a bunch of Islamic pedophiles. We don't believe in what they said.

They have sex with nine-year-olds, so they can't do my... Alex, I need variables when I'm coding damage outputs and abilities and loot item drops. Listen, the equation's... all have to be with your bank account. Zero, zero, zero, zero. Okay, Tim, let's not act like you're some mathematician. I get it. Algebra can be used in, you know, some situations. I'll just say that. But it's still faking gay. What do you think about trigonometry? Gay? Calculus, gay. But dude, you do all these, like, you know, advanced level mathematics in college. You know, I took finance. I think you could argue that finance is somewhat beneficial. But listen, I'm not broke. I pay a decent amount of money in taxes. I've never whipped out my financial. calculator. So it's like they teach us all these subjects to, it's more of a training method. It doesn't actually teach you like, you know, life skills. It just depends on whether you're smart or not. And that's how they judge you. They teach you slave math, which is like accounting and algebra. They don't never teach you about vortex mathematics or sacred geometry. That's the stuff that'll let you

really figure out. Well, they taught sacred geometry when I was in high school. Is that true? I was in high school for like two months, but. Sacred geometry. I didn't even know what that was. Yeah. Randallso talks a lot about it. Yeah, it's good stuff. Look it up. The Fibonacci sequence and there's a lot to it. Yeah, it's very weird. Of course they taught that.

They showed us a bunch of nautilus shells all over the world. A little bit. They teach you that the Fibonacci sequence. Yeah, but you know why Tim likes it? It's gambling. The Fibonacci sequence works. If you bet on something that's like 50-50, it's actually one of the best. It's one of the things.

I don't use it. Alex is joking. But it is true that gamblers do what's called a Fibonacci bet sequence, where you increase your bets based on Fibonacci. numbers, which I think is just... It does work because when you win your bed, even if it's a 50-50 bet, you win like one and a half amount the bed total, but it gets pretty high, pretty fast.

But this is in a gambling podcast, and it's a mathematics. We got the story from CBS News. Pentagon releases more UFO files, including documents on secretive military program. One document describes the goals of the program and requirements for contractors. Quote, one aspect of the future

threat environment involves advanced aerospace weapon system applications. The objective of this program is to understand that the physics and engineering of these applications as they apply to the foreign threat out to the far term, i.e. now through the year 2050, primary focus on the breakthrough technologies and applications that create discontinuities in currently evolving technology trends. That sounds like they jammed a bunch of words into a sentence that explained nothing. But I suppose they're making space weapons because aliens are going to invade. You know, I think Dave will be on my side

with this. You know, I think it was Ronald Reagan and with the presidents beforehand. that just explicitly, not covertly, not subliminally, talked about how the best method to create a one-world order would be to create an existential alien threat, and then that would bring all the nations together, like America with Russia, America with Iran, you know, it would bring all the enemies, and they would create allies.

So when it comes to the idea of aliens, I think it's fake, I think it's gay, and I think they're doing that on purpose to lie to us. If the government tells us something is true, I would agree, you know, 10 years ago. Listen to the opposite. 10 years ago, if you believed in aliens, you were a conspiracy nut job. Yeah. Now, if you don't believe in them, you're a conspiracy nut job.

Isn't that funny? They're normalizing it. Like, remember the drones that we had a couple years, last year, whatever? With the balloon. Remember the big Chinese balloon? Well, that was. No, the drones over Jersey. The drones over Jersey.

We had one over our neighborhood. And now the government goes, we don't know what they are, but they're not dangerous. All right? Think about that. So now, like, if they do some fake alien event, you know, people are going to not freak out, which they want. They want people to just accept it to say, okay, of course they're here. They're not threatening because they've been programmed.

They've been mind controlled. Don't forget about Project Bluebeam where NASA has already released documents explaining that they could make it look like Jesus was coming back. They could literally, through hologram technology, create the rapture. And I wouldn't be surprised that it did something crazy like that. And Tim, I don't know if we talked out on the podcast about the Chinese balloon.

You brought that out. That might have been outside. I was talking about it. It was you. Yeah. So that balloon, that actual type of balloon, it's impossible for it to go from China to America. So whatever it was, it was impossible. Like, if you got a car that exploded after 250 miles, could you drive it from New York to

California? Why would that balloon explode? Because the type of balloon it is, it cannot travel that distance without exploding. Are you familiar with this? I don't know. We have a balloon expert that told them all about it. I don't know all the specs. But Dave, real quick, what about like Sahara dust? You know, they say that here in Austin

that, well, we're not in Austin, but you know what I mean? That we're getting dush from the What about those Japanese balloons they launched during World War II? True. I don't know about them. They launched balloons and when the pressure would get too high and it was, so as it would drop the bombs. No, it would drop a bag, a sandbag. Yeah, yeah.

Which would make it fall and then it would start slowly expanding. It would drop another bag. Then once it got over the U.S., it would drop bombs. Yep. That's genius. Yeah, so the balloons could do it. Yeah, but that type of balloon could not have made it on its own. You said you don't have the specs?

I don't have the spec. I heard the guy that his name. with Dwayne Kellam, he explained how that balloon could not do it. They're just choosing to believe this guy. Yeah, there you go. He's done lots of stuff. I don't understand, but it's true. That's the dangerous path.

That is, I'll give you that. I'll give you that. But at the same exact time, you know, it is weird, these balloons and NASA's biggest purveyor of helium, and then, you know, actually you can look online of, like, videos of them launching satellites with balloons. So it's like, there is something weird, and I know you probably haven't looked into this end, but they say that there's balloons, a side, of football stadiums, like the size of the, you know, Superdome or Penn State's football stadium,

in the sky that can just hover forever. Balloons? Yeah, balloons. They say, yes. And I'm not even... Who's they? I mean, Dave, you explain. Are we talking about...

Who is they doing this? Well, Project Loon we talked about. I don't know the specific project... Yeah, maybe. Israel is a big part of it. And Dave's Jewish, so he's allowed to be... And so are you? Yeah, well, partially.

He's allowed. Tell me more about Project Loon. Well, they launch, NASA launches thousands of balloon satellites that can pick up to 8,000 pounds. And they launch a lot of them from Antarctica. And they're going all around. I know that a couple years ago, they had one that stayed up for several years. They were there, they finally, they lost track of one and they found it like three years later or something. But these are all over the place.

It's not a theory. We've seen them at the moon when we're looking at the moon. This is a big deal. when they launched it, it was a huge thing in the news because they were like, we could theoretically get cellular transmission through balloon. Yeah. Balloon instead of requiring rocketry, you just launch a balloon and people get cell service in the desert. Tim, they say the next SpaceX will be eventually launched through balloons.

Literally, they're talking about that right now with Tesla. You can use these as power stations too. You attach a coil to the base of the balloon in it, the coil, metal coil. The balloon as it goes up and down creates this tension on the coil that will produce electricity. Yep. Well, how does it produce electricity? I got that. Mostly like this.

Let me see if I can get the exact function. Ian's great of producing that. It creates a lot of friction. You got to tighten your grip a little bit. Yeah, just use these fingers. Wait, what are you talking about? Yeah, it's energy. A lot of potential.

You attach it to like a base station and just have a balloon bouncing up and down in the atmosphere, creating electricity. So there are big things, you know, in our stratosphere, what are you going to call. But I think, you know, Dave, can I explain this better than me? It's like the idea that there's a show. you know, you know, unidentified flying objects, like they probably have identified them. I think, you know, UFOs are

non-s. But my question is, are they making transparent balloons? Look at those. That's translucent, but like, balloons you literally can't see. When they're up that high, you really can't see them in the sky. There's not enough contrast. You don't see them. But we saw, we've seen them transit the moon over a full moon, and then you can see it

because there's some contrast. But in the dark sky, you don't see it. And in the day sky, they're very, very difficult to You know what's crazy about the moon? If you actually look at, like, I think, was it Palestine's flag? What Muslim country's flag? You can see the star through the moon, right, Dave? Yeah, a whole bunch of, you know, you got the moon and the star right here.

Like, how could that? Whose flag is that? Part of the moon. Because I know Tim would be like, what are you guys talking about? What is it? It's like Afghanistan. There's a whole bunch of them. So there is, like, ancient Chinese or whatever, Middle Eastern symbology, where you can see stuff through the moon.

I see. So they'd see, like, a crescent, but in the dark spot, they'd see another, Now, let me ask you a question. What does that mean? If you could see the star in the crescent area, what does that mean? It would indicate that there was something between you and the moon itself. That's what they'll tell you. That's what, like, the modern science.

No, no, the star. If you can see the star in the crescent area, what does that tell you? The star, I mean, if you saw something that looked like a star in that area when you're looking up at the sky, you mean, it wouldn't indicate that it was a star. What if it was if it was proven to be a star? Like Saturn. I'd love to see it. Well, what if it was? There are ones.

If you prove that there's a star between us and the moon, that would completely upend modern. Well, no, that's like you're actually getting to the point I was trying to trap you in because a lot of people, a lot of people. No, no, it's good. It's good. A lot of people say if you see the crescent moon and you see the star, that means the moon's transparent. And my answer is maybe the stars in front of the moon. And people can't even fathom that the star would be in front of the moon because the stars are so big. They're trillions of miles away.

None of that is true. Let me give you a quick example. What are they? Let me give you a quick example. Well, I can't make any claims about it. about the sky, but we can see, we can do observations. You're driving down the road and the trees around the side of the road are whizzing by. Right?

You're driving down the road, trees are whizzen by. But the trees up on the mountain 10 miles away, they're kind of moved very, very slowly. It's parallax, right? Things closer to you appear to move faster. With me? Yeah. Right. So when we look up at the sky, we see the sun move across the sky.

A lot of people think that's because the earth is spinning. Well, the story is the stars rotate and the sun moves. because of the spin of the earth. They're not really moving. We're just spinning. That's what we're told. So if we watch the stars in the sun, the stars are moving faster than the sun.

The stars are creeping out. If you're running around a track, the stars are winning, they're beating the sun. They're getting a little farther ahead every day. So how could something, trillions of miles away, have an apparent motion

that's faster than something very close? Because we're moving the same speed as the close object. No, the sun and the earth are moving relatively the same speed through the galaxy. So it would be like if you and Alex were running full speed next to each other and a car drives by, you're like, how is the car going faster when we're both running? Well, it's because you're both running the same speed. Yeah. So it looks like Alex's...

And I'm not even trying to debate for Dave, but I mean, listen, you can, Albert Einstein's smarter than all of us combined, right? Would we agree? No. Is he married his cousin twice? Guys and mathematician. He ripped a lot of guys off. But he would say that we cannot tell whether or not we are moving or the sun, moon, and stars are moving. Like, he has a very famous quote explaining that.

So I think there's a little bit of truth to that. It's like we see these things moving rapidly. We see the sun, you know, transgress the entire Earth in 24 hours a day. It doesn't seem like we're moving 1100 miles around the sun. You know what I mean? So that's why I like- We're moving at 18 miles per second. It doesn't feel like that guy. It doesn't.

It feels more like 17? It doesn't feel like anything. But I think the other is removable. I'm more of a biblical cosmologist even more than Dave and I think that like the way that described the firmament I think there is

you know hell and heaven are closer That's the secret Hold on you want to know the The Challenger explosion It's because it hit the firmament No no Tim That was fake They've already

No hit the firmament All the people in the Challenger are still alive Basically I know Tim Lash Tell him Dave Dave tell them They are they've all been found

They all have the same name What's the teacher's name What's a teacher's name? What's a teacher's name? Christa Yeah Judy something Yeah Judy whatever Yeah, Judith Resnick is still teaching.

She teaches in the challenge your people still alive right now. People have confronted them and they behave very strange. They go running. Now, the internet says none of them have been found alive. There's a fact check from two days ago. The internet is never wrong about anything. This proves it. Wait a minute.

That would mean you guys are right at the same time. Yeah, exactly. I don't know which one to believe. Alex. Regarding your argument about like it doesn't feel like we're moving, it's like if you've been in a car where you start going 80 miles an hour. Oh, I love this.

It feels like you're sitting still. What about this? Hold on, hold on. Every motion that the earth is doing is a curved motion. No straight lines. So if you're in a car going 80 miles an hour and it takes a turn, do you feel it? Does your coffee tilt? Depends on how much you turn, but yeah.

Yes. So we're moving, we're moving sideways at 60 miles an hour. That's just the spin, right? And that's the slowest motion. And I like that argument, but what about if you're in a convertible and you, you know, put down the top? So technically they... They describe us being in a convertible, and I think... You see, you guys, you guys,

look, it's hitting the firmament. That was the first time they ever actually tried to go to space and they realized the firmament was there. Tell him the real conspiracy day. I'm joking. He's the comedian. Tim, this is, this is. Where can I?

This is in 1980s, Tim. I mean, I have to, you know, you know, whatever. By the way, the seventh guy has been found. But like, have you, how, how do you know? Like, there's people that want to be in front of it. People that confront me. People that confront of them. They're, uh, yeah, I'll tell you a funny story about Michael Malice.

You want to hear a funny story about. We love Michael, but if it's not. So when we were still at the Castle Studio, Michael was on the show. And so he was in the greenwich used to be in our basement. And my brother came down the stairs and was walking past Michael. And he went, hey, what's up? My brother went up and walked right past him. And Michael was like, did I make him angry?

He thought my brother was me. My brother and I do look alike. We do sound alike. You guys do look like. But we are distinct people. And it's kind of like. So my point is, Mike. who knows me very well, confused my brother for me.

It's like you can find a picture of a guy who looks like another guy that proves it. Understood. But the idea that their perfect doppelgangers, they have the same teeth. They have the same mannerism. They have the same voice. Two of them claim to be identical twins. If you look at there's no record of them being born as twins. And at their funerals, none of their twins ever showed up at their funeral, which is weird.

So my question is... What's the reason for faking these? challenge your decision. Perfect question. And actually Dave probably, you know, answer this even better to me. But that was right at the point of where the government was like debating on could they or should they continue to fund NASA. And actually they stopped funding it basically. They almost ended the entire program. So Dave, you can probably explain this better than me. But explain how important that was in NASA's history. It's trauma-based mind control. It's literally they had to kick the can down the road. Ever since I was a kid, we're going to have a hotel on the moon. And that was a long time ago.

But just like 9-11, everybody has. had a TV rolled into their classroom, you know, to see the second plane hit the tower. You'd just like to have a challenger, but they were all watching it before. Wait, wait, are you saying that that guy on the right is the same guy? Dick Scobo. Yes, Dick Scobie. And then this guy, Richard Scobie, had a tree, had a company called Cows and Trees, and they had an animated logo when you go to their website, which is a cow taking off like a rocket, leaving a smoke trail, making almost the same pattern as that.

Sounds like he's just being a dick. It sounds like it. But as soon as we discovered that, it was like the website. Someone came to me and said, you know there's a guy who's the same name as a dude from the Challenger who made a logo of, like, that was a cow exploding in the air. But Tim, look at the slant of his eyes, Tim. Look at the slant of his eyes. I know he's an age, but come on, that is a unique facial character. And the ages match up the birth age of the, of the.

But there's a guy named Tim Poole on Twitter who's like the same age as me too. Yeah. There's a whole, having a doppel ganger, one doppelganger, okay, I can buy it. Two, it's getting a little rough. Six. it's off the chart This guy's not even the same Look at this guy's not even the same guy

He technically had a twin brother They're showing his twin brother Which is even weirder That's his brother Yeah no supposedly he had a twin brother The guy on the right son is bald And the other guy's not that proves it One guy's a gap and there's two different people

He has diastema His brother Allegedly he has an identical twin brother Which he's got a gap in his team Because his identical twin brother Did not go to his funeral Which is weird Listen I agree with you

That person's that person game It's a tough game it's a tough game. But the amount of evidence out on that, you check out Justin Harvey from We Are Change Orlando. He's done some stuff. He goes to town council meetings. What does Tony have to say about all this?

No, no, no, Justice's doing great, but you have anything to say? What do you know about about? I've seen this for years now, and that's one of the things that this story that we're talking about right now is always one of the ones that I just felt like I can't do the mental gymnastics around at all of it.

The fact that the names line up, the looks line up. Voice lines up. I mean, what are the, odds that you would have that kind of case where it's not just one person or two people, it's the whole crew, there's these doppelgangers with the same name. But why even use real people then? Why use their name? So that's what that's the question. It doesn't make any sense. But it was a like we were, we were, we weren't even basically born in 86 when it happened. That's when I was

born. I was like months old. So our parents weren't like telling us about it. But dude, this was a marketing scheme that we've sure, sure. Look, if I was going to, if I just be like, let's call that guy Rick Smith. Janet Murphy, why give them their real name? Or at least final. You understand that every astronaut was ex-military. They had to have some military background. Maybe now they've changed regulations, but in the past,

if you wanted to be an astronaut, you had to have some sort of military background. So you have to look at NASA as a wing of our military, and I would think that you would agree. There's people that did stuff in Afghanistan and Iraq. They're not proud of that they don't admit to. So we know that the military is allowed to lie about their past experiences. That's just, you know, a given. So the idea that they're lying about this is not impossible,

considering there's classified levels of information with anything. Of course, as I was explaining Dave on the other show we recorded, I'm not so egotistically attached to information that I've read that I'm not open to the possibilities. Of course, they could fake all these things. My question is, Akam's Razor, what is the purpose of staging this and using their real names? Right. If you're going to stage, you just be like giving a fake name at least and put some nose putty on or something, you know? But that makes me feel like when you look at this then, is there something deeper going on?

Is this some kind of ritual that they're putting the mass hive mind through? Yep. That they put the information right in for your face and make you deny what you're seeing. It's called trauma-based mind control, and I think Dave going to... You look at Wernivon Braun, the whole, the way NASA even started. They're casting spells. He was a Nazi. Literally, he was a Nazi.

Like, nothing's provable, but there's lots of people talk about the idea that they do black mass rituals before rocket launches and things. That's something that's been talked about for a long time. You look at Warner Von Braun, where he came from. Look at his tombstone. I just got to say this, Psalm 191. The, you know, Heavis declare the glory of God and the firmament showeth his handiwork. Like, literally, he was saying that that's on his tombstone. He could choose one Bible verse, and that's what he chose.

And this is arguably the godfather of NASA. So it seems like he was trying to give us some sort of- You know? That's what they'll say, though, right? He's just trolling, yeah. He's just trolling us. What was von Braun's connection to the occult before? You were saying-

He was a Nazi scientist. So the idea of the Nazis looking through the occult to gain power and knowledge and understanding that Delacca, the UFO DeGlacca, came out of the Nazi era. The modern-day propulsion rocket was a Satanist that hung out with Alistairquhart. So like the whole origins, he hung out with what's the guy from Scientology, Dave? Arron Hubbard, best friends with him. And that's Jack Parsons. That's where these rockets came out of the Jet Propulsion Lab. And it's created by this guy Jack Parsons, who was a known Satanist.

Yeah, I mean, his idol was Crowley, and Crowley was even annoyed by him. I think, you know, it is, a thing that people will do is show you the truth and then make you not realize it's the truth. Like that, to make it, then they can get you to believe anything. But also to get you to get confused and to think that there's something there when there's not is also a tactic. So, like, saying he looks like him is like. So what you're saying is that something would be going on then, at the very minimum, what it is we don't know. But you're saying at least there's a tactic happening. And if they confuse you, your brain stops working.

Correct. That's a big problem. And I don't know. Or the third option is it's complete conflation of events. Like someone just decided one day to put an internet post up and then another guy's like, yeah, I like that theory. Let me make a post. Did we start all this? Because I was making a joke about the challenger hitting the firmament. Yes. Everything starts with a joke. And it gets very real to conspiracy theorists because once again, we talk about what is the motivation to do this. It's like they needed more, you know, organic support for NASA after seeing this and I think they got it. So, okay, is this correlate with, like, the idea that the Earth is flat, that there can't be rocketry? No, there is. There's ballistic missiles. That's what we're seeing. Whenever they launch a real rocket, it's just an ICBM, and they designed it as a rocket with people on it.

Can they watch any rocket launch, they go up, they curve over, and then it switches to a cartoon, and we don't see anything else. Have you seen the Florida? Firmament? Tim, have you seen the Florida rocket launches? I've watched tons of them. Yeah, and have you noticed so that it does curve pretty soon? Because entering orbit. I don't think some of the...

You know how orbit works, right? I understand how it works. By all means, don't just say, no, no, no. Explain to me how it's... I understand how the Earth is spinning. Argue against what they're saying. It would have a straight, you know, trajectory considering the spin of the Earth.

Hold on. You enter orbit. You need to travel faster outside the industry. And if you actually measured on your phone, they're not even close to terminal. You have to, you have to escape velocity. And then, you know, different speeds.

Right. And then terminal velocity is immaterial when you're in the vacuum of space. And if you watch a rocket launch, Elon's rocket launch or the shuttle rocket launches from years ago, the main tank is they're already ejecting the side tanks. And it's still in visual view, right? When you see a jet fighter fly by at Mach 2, it's so freaking fast. This thing's going 17,000 miles an hour, and we're just watching it, lollygag up there. Yeah, but airplanes also look like they're barely moving.

Yeah, but at this... Elon wouldn't lie to me. There you go. See, that's the thing. And Tim is very big on Twitter, so Tim wants to be nice to Elon, but I feel like, you know... Listen, Alex, never at any point, for any reason, has Elon Musk ever done anything wrong? Yeah, okay, clip that. Elon Musk is a deadbeat dad.

And I don't know anybody says... No, and I think that's one of the... Tim's a great dad. You would never even... No, no, I'm saying just argue what their claim is. Don't ignore what the claim is. You're a very wealthy young man. Would you ever abandon your baby for millions of dollars now?

There's no amount of money. Exactly right. Alex, the things I would do to you to protect my child, like you don't know. You'd kill me, and I think that's definitely understandable. But everyone is not the same. Richie McGinnis, we escalated this. I was like, if someone was holding a gun to your family and like you had to do something, would you do, like, of course.

And then we escalate and I was like, if aliens had a button that was going to blow up the entirety of Earth and wipe out all life on the planet and they said, You know, we're going to press us unless, like, you know, to save your child, he was like, goodbye. Exactly. Just rub the whole earth from my kid. Supervillain. I was thinking about, oh, it isn't. That's what a supervillain does.

They're like, I will destroy the planet to save my wife who's incarcerated in crystal. Or they'll do some weird thing to save one person. Incarcerated in Crystal. There's always some, like, illness, ailment that they have to. Talking about Mr. Freeze. Yeah, and they want to, they're willing to wipe out anything to preserve this one person. And it's like, that's just the supervillain art. Batman Forever was a great movie, though.

I think it gets a lot of hate unnecessarily. Well, because the actual cartoon version of Mr. Freese, they were, so Mr. Freeze originally was a one-dimensional garbage villain. Then the animated series made him a sad villain where Mr. Freeze wasn't going, I'm going to kill him. He was going, I'm sorry, and shooting people. And then in the movie, they made him a one-dimensional villain who had a wife. Yeah, but I liked Arnold and Batman Forever.

So, I mean, I got, with Tony and with you guys here, I feel like we have two treasure chests. And like, I don't know how to get to the bottom of you. Let's talk about orbits for a second. You talked about you have to know how an orbit works, right? Do you know how an orbit works? Yes. Right? So the whatever it is, is falling, but it's moving forward at the same rate as the Earth

is curving, so it's falling around the Earth. Exactly. So it's perpetually falling. So if I dropped something in the atmosphere, it'll speed up until it hits terminal velocity because of the air pressure, right? It'll speed up and have air resistance and slow down. But in a... But there's a maximum force of gravity.

Yeah. But in a vacuum, things will just keep speeding up. No. Yeah, they will. Yeah. No, there's gravity weakens over time. No, no, no. At whatever height, if we were 50 miles above Earth, then it was a vacuum, there was no air on Earth, right?

And you drop something, it would speed up until to hit the ground. Until terminal velocity due to air. There is no term. There's no air. Right, right. I'm saying. Yeah, there's no air. So a satellite in space, it's a geostationary satellite or whatever,

is at a certain height and it's traveling a certain speed and it's free falling in a vacuum. How come it's not speeding up? What if the thrust just includes a... There's no thrust. It's flowing on its own. It's going. It's falling. It's launched. It's already going. But you know what orbital decay is, right? I understand. It's a theory.

There's no, there's nothing orbiting. Earth is not a globe. But in... Orbital decay. You're just using words. What that means is the objects are still falling without added energy to reverse the fact they are still falling. They're falling even in a vacuum so they would be speeding up constantly. And they are.

And so what's happening is? If they are, let me make the argument first. Let me make the argument for you guys. Instead of arguing nothing, let me give you the argument. An object that is launched into space uses thrust to reach orbit. That is,

it has to travel at a certain amount of speed so that it is moving forward as fast it is falling, so it keeps going around. Orbit, how about you let me finish? Okay, there's no argument. You guys are... Just clarification orbit is like less than 100 miles away from Earth. I think people should understand.

So I'm just trying to clarify. Okay, so the point is it is falling and without energy to reverse that fall. Once you launch it into the vacuum of space, it will continually move forward due to inertia, but it will eventually start falling back down because gravity is still pulling on it. How long does a satellite free fall around the Earth? So that's why satellites have to have... They use... balloons.

Thrusters. They use air pressure release, and they have to maintain orbit, otherwise as orbital... How does a thruster work in a vacuum? What do you mean? Different kinds of thrust. You could have ionic thrust. You could have propulsion. So every...

It thrusts off of a fundamental law of thermodynamics. Yeah, but in a vacuum, there's nothing... There's no air, so you're not pushing... You don't need to because when you shoot a gun, for instance, there's recoil. The air isn't making that. The air... The gun... The recoil is pushing off of the gun.

The explosion itself is going in all directions. And the only way out is that way. And so there it's pushing off the gun. But if you hit a bullet in mid-air and there's nothing to push off, it's not going to go anywhere. How come when I go on my skateboard with my leaf blower and turn it on, it blows me forward? It's pushing against the air. Boats push off the water. Airplanes push off the air.

Rockets push off of nothing. Well, technically the vacuum. It's creating an explosion. There's still stuff. It's creating an explosion is nothing to push off of. We've done a vacuum chamber. We've gotten like a little, little mini projectile. They try to fly drones.

And then you light it and it doesn't go anywhere, right? It doesn't go anywhere until that stream hits the wall and enough gas is in there just to make it move. That sounds like you have more tests. Yeah, well. And we probably should do bigger tests, but I'm just saying there's also like vacuum, you know, whatever vacuum capture chambers, whatever the technical term is. Have you guys seen the inertial engine that Mythbusters built? Probably if this is the EM thrust. The idea was an internal inertial engine was impossible because it would defy the laws of physics.

What they did was they made a box. And what it does is there's a weight in a box and there's a piston that it will shoot the piston forward. And then the piston will like so, how do I just grab this? There's imagine a barbell and it's loaded in a machine. It shoots forward. but then the end of the barbell hits the wall it's on. The argument was that the shooting of the piston would create equal and opposite energy. Then when it went forward and hit the front wall, no forward motion, no locomotion is possible.

And the MythBusters actually debunked this. It was amazing, an internal inertial engine that shoots a piston, which then stops it, and that impact caused it to move forward on a boat. So it was just shooting a piston and hitting its own wall, and the boat started moving forward. Yeah, that's how like a boat in the ocean near a wall, and when the waves come, eventually it will start rocking towards the wall. You might call it the Kazimir effect. Another guy named, God, what's his name? He has this quantized inertia theory where he calls it Unra radiation is actually, okay, it's a little complicated, but the explanation briefly is behind you.

Any given moment, there's a horizon far behind you. And the further forward you move, that horizon's following you. It's your perceptual horizon. So there's radiation pushing against you and past you, but the radiation that's hitting you is being blocked. So behind you now there's a dampening in the radiative field. So this radiation in front of you is higher. The radiation behind you is lower,

and you start to get rocked towards that low radiation area. You're being pushed back towards where you're coming from. And this is what he calls conservation of inertia is why you don't, why the stars in the galaxy, you don't go flying off into space as they spin because they're being pushed back towards where they're coming from. It's an awesome theory. Mike McCulloch is his name.

He's a brilliant British scientist. People like thousands of years ago were able to map them sun moon and stars before us before a telescope. Why are all the stars? Why is there no parallax in stars? You go out tonight, take a picture of the stars, and then 10 years from now go out at the same time on the same night, and you take a picture and they're all the same position. Too far away.

What does that mean? There's no parallax. How many miles are we traveling every year never to return to a war before? Do you know? The argument would be, and this is the argument, the distance of the SARS is so great.

So far, there is parallax. But you can't see it. But it's right, just like at a distance, it looks like the plane's not moving at all. We're traveling five and a half trillion miles a year or something like that. And they're quadrillions of miles away. They're quadillions of miles away.

That's a bigger problem because you have an angular resolution limit of your eye and how big you can see something. If the sun they tell us is 860,000 miles wide, right? So if we scale that down, we have a yoga ball as a sun, the earth is like a BB or a marble, right? So if we took the sun the size of it is and brought it a mile over your head,

it would fill the whole sky? Would you agree? That's like the marble is right under the yoga ball. The whole sky is the sun. So we move it 93 million miles away. Now the sun is how we see it, the size of a coin held at arm's length. You with me?

It shrank due to perspective. So if I doubled the distance, it would be a quarter of the size. It would be half the height and half the width. It's called the inverse square long. It wouldn't have to. No, no. If I doubled the distance to the sun. It's not going to get smaller.

It's not going to get any smaller? No. Because like on the flat earth, when the sun goes to vanishing point, it doesn't shrink at all, like you said. No, no, that's a whole other topic. It's different. We can go there if you want. So how is it that when the sun goes down, the sun doesn't shrink? You said it doesn't have to.

It does. But now for stars, they do and they will disappear. Well, it does. And it's a prospective thing. It's a longer. I'm happy to have it, but let me make this point. Right? So if you double the distance of the sun, it's now the size of like a pencil eraser. So that's twice as far.

Four times as far, it's going to get like a 64th of the size that we see it. Eight times as far, it's arguable if you could even see it. It would be small as a star. You with me, Ian? Yeah, sure. Okay. So eight times the distance, it's eight light minutes away, eight times eight, sixty four. We'll call that a light hour.

Let's just go 24 light hours away. There's no possible way you can see the sun, right? at 24 light hours, one light day away, right? They tell us Polaris that we can see with their naked eye that hasn't moved forever. The North Star is 46 times bigger than the sun. So if we made Polaris 46 times the distance away, you couldn't see it. 46 light days away. Round up, two months.

I suppose the argument would be you can because we do. No, no, no. But if we, well, that's silly because you can't see it physically, scientifically, provably. It is too small. Forget the inverse. Here's the challenge. Forget the Inver Square Law.

Light issue, you couldn't see it, and they tell us it's 403. So here's the challenge. Like years away. As we know it, there's a star. We are told to believe that it is X amount of miles away and we can see it. You're saying you wouldn't be able to. Yeah, probably scientifically. So the issue is modern understanding of science says, no, there's a star and you can see it.

In order to, it's almost unfalsifiable. No, it is falsifiable. But no, because the evidence is it. You know what I'm saying? I'm saying, what do you say? Michikaku says that the theories they have about space and everything are don't use a scientific method. And they say in science, if you're off by a factor of two or a factor of 10, that's horrible. You're off by a factor of 10.

That's horrible. But cosmology is off by a factor. And there's no control star. By a factor of 10 to the 120th power. that number doesn't even exist. And that's Michikaku, who's theoretical. They say they're so far off, it's 10 to the 120th. I don't even believe that because that

number doesn't exist. It's too big. It can exist. So if I had a grain of sand, if I had a grain of sand and made it 10 to the 97th, 10 to the 120th power bigger, it would be 10,000 times bigger than the alleged universe times 10 to the 97th. what's the size of the alleged universe?

It's like 13 billion light years. That's another thing, Ian. That's not a size. That's not a light yet. Where? Ian, how much do you think the earth weighs? Well, it depends on what the gravity is. You can't figure it out.

You need to. But it doesn't matter by gravity. We could never figure it out. Weight is a determination of the gravity of the body that you're measuring again. I'm just saying if you picked up a pound of dirt and you try to extrapolate that for all the pounds of dirt on Earth mathematically, you could never figure out how much the earth weighs. Wait, no, you're talking about the mass or the mass or? the weight. They're different things. The weight, you need a countermeasure to have weight.

We could never weigh it, no. But they will tell you against what? Against the sun? Yeah, but the NASA, the science will tell us the weight of the earth. You can tell me the mass of the earth, the weight against what is the scale or you have another earth to weigh it on? That's what they're telling us. Okay, you could

do that calculation. Yeah, but so that's a pseudoscience. That's nonsense. It's not science. It's not science because you can't do it, you can't do it. It's unfalsifiable, so it's not science. That's my point about stars. How do you, how do you, how do you, there's a mathematical formula they present, and you can't disprove them. So, so I've got a quarter, right? And we have a clear day.

We're on the Bolivian salt flats. I'm going to go 100 miles away. I'm going to hold that. I understand the point you've made. My point is you can't compare a Tragilionian atom solar body to a quarter, one that's emitting massive fusion energies. Science is scalable. You can't see something that far. and as light goes out, it spreads out and gets weaker and weaker and weaker.

Tim, let me use his Shaquille O'Neal reference, and he said this famously on NBA tonight. He's a flat earther. Shikil O'Neal, great NBA player. I played at LSU where I'm going to be at this weekend. My point is, he said, when I go to my backyard in California, I can see the moon every day, every night. Yep. But when he's in his backyard, he cannot see Florida. Okay.

What's closer, Florida's the moon? Florida. Of course. But isn't that weird that we can't see Florida? No, it's not. No, because it's curved around. My argument is always going to be argue the actual science. Don't argue against something you made up.

Actual science, there is no science of the sky. You cannot science the sky. There are no experiments done on the sky other than observations and assumptions. Indeed, to my point is, instead of just saying because Florida's closer, I shouldn't be able to, and I can't see it, I should see the moon. Take what the scientists have claimed and argue their claim, not something you made on. The vaccine is even effective. So science has claimed the radius of the Earth and we can see far beyond that radius.

can scream refraction all you want, but there's no experiment that shows something coming up behind a physical object. If you and I were playing hide and go seek and you're duck behind a hill, what kind of weather system has to come in before you refract the above? In space, you can actually see behind solar bodies. It's not science. You're making up stories. I think light and right. No, but hey, no, actually, Dave, debunked this real good because Tim will love this because Tim's favorite, his best friend is Ben Shapiro. And Tim almost signed with a daily wire, multi-million dollar contract. You don't want to admit that. But he loves Ben Shapiro so much. Ben Shapiro says that we should. should have an integrated military with Israel because they created technology that can see over the horizon.

Did you see that? Over the horizon. They have, you know, they're... We said that? So they've created technology. So they've created technology. That's the reason we should be connected with Israel is because they just created plane technology where their fighter jets can see over the horizon. So I have two things.

But we have World War II Bunkst that. Tell them how World War II bunk sat though. So there's so many ways. There's the, I think it's Israel or the, or Europe, someone, some military has, it's called the, the Royal Samson radar and it can detect a thousand baseball size objects moving at faster than the speed of sound at over 250 miles away. Well, 250 miles away, you can't see. But this radar that needs line of sight can track these things at that distance. So that's just like you saying, whatever you said before, that they developed the, oh, you said the, develop the, develop the,

where they can see, they go over the radar, over the horizon, horizon is your horridor eye zone. This is what I got to say about these conspiracies. It's not typical earth curvature. I know. I want to hear it Tim.

When we were talking, we had two discussions at the Daily Wire. One, we literally were at the Daily Wire's office, and I publicly said in the show, we're talking with the Daily Wire about a deal. And then I had another negotiation, and I said, yeah, we've been talking with the Daily Wire. It's not a secret.

We just never did anything. I didn't say it was a secret. You said, Tim doesn't want to admit that he almost signed. This big contract. It was a huge story. Of course, Tim's talking about that. We're trying to talk about it.

No, there was a story that the Daily Wire already acquired part of this company and that I was doing a deal that. I remember that? Not true and never happened. Yeah, I know. Okay, okay, well, I'm misrepresented. But now there's going to be a lot of people

who only heard that for the first time. That's true. Okay, let me clarify. And actually, Tim had nothing negative to say by the Daily Wire. It's already clipped. Yeah, I got two clips. And Alex Jones, and he's going to be like, look, Alex Seitz called him out to his face.

He said, Ben Shapiro is engaged you. But that's how I neither heard her there. By the way, Judy Resnick was the first Jewish woman in space. Exactly. Thank you. I got two clarification suggestions. Light bending around objects in space is called gravitational lensing. According to this quick search, it happens because massive objects warp the fabric of space time itself.

We'd go deep into what that means. The second thing is the reason why fuel propellant works in space is because it's not pushing off of another object. It itself is gas being thrust out so it's producing the reverse. When we do an experiment in a vacuum chamber, it doesn't work. So that's just a claim. and we tested the claim. Look it up. There's like all these...

Just say rocket propellment. Trying to make a drone work in a vacuum chamber, trying to make all kinds of things working in a vacuum chamber. But first of all, we don't have to get into that because I know Tim doesn't want us to hijack this whole episode. But like... I want to hear of 12. To be fair, I don't want to just spend the whole episode

talking about Flat Earth. We got to talk about aliens and ghosts. But, but... Rockets work fun at a vacuum. You're Googling. You're Googling into... I'm using Claude. Yeah, but your...

The plot is AI asking who... Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I'm going to call Ben Shapiro. Call Ben. We need to hear Ben right now. It says that Rocket can't generate thrust in a total vacuum with no propellant, but the propellant itself is the matter it's pushing off of it. That's a claim that's untestable. It is testable, and when we test it, it doesn't work.

Wait, it's a claim that's been false. What's the test? How come when a fire extinguish or sprays it gets cold? Yeah, you need to, if you're going to say there are tests that bailed, you need to tell me what that does. It's spraying carbon dioxide that's being... No, no, no, no. Don't tell me to go high pressure and low pressure really quick.

To prove your statement. So what is it doing? You need to watch the video. Changing the pressure. This is my question. Wait, wait, wait, hold on. I'm putting you guys on the spot. Please.

How come when you spray a fire extinguisher, it gets cold? I mean, what is the chemical in the fire extinguisher? It's carbon dioxide, right? Yeah, I mean... So why is it getting cold? Because it's expanding. It's going from high pressure to low pressure. I think that's it, but I'm not an expert about that.

Why does it make it cold? Low pressure is colder. I've sprayed to... colder in their pressure. They didn't get that cold. It's because when you have like a liquid propellant, a liquid propellant that would prefer to be in a gaseous state at our atmospheric pressure, when you press it, it rapidly expands. Gases contain more energy.

So what does it go out of room temperature? It absorbs atmospheric energy in order to go from a fluid state into a gaseous state. That is the energy around, which is the warm air. It sucks the heat out into its molecules to vibrate faster, creating a gas. That's why it feels colder because the energy is changing. Why does water boil in a vacuum chamber? Because most things boil or break down. Because they're trying to equalize.

They're trying to equalize. So why doesn't all of our oceans and atmosphere boil because we're in a vacuum? Atmospheric pressure. Okay. Atmospheric pressure requires a container that where you're pushing on the wall. So where is the container? It's magnetic. We're in a magnetic.

You got me. You got me. Can you bring me gas using magnetic? Dave, Dave. You can contain gas. I can, I can give you a bowl of gas. Can you? No, no.

Yes. Without a container? I can bring you a bowl of gas, I said. A ball? No, you can't. You cannot. That's a container. Tim.

I know. I didn't say no. I said I could bring you a bowl of gas. I believe that we live in a pressurized system. Yes. Okay. We have atmospheric pressure. And what is the second theory or law of thermodynamics, Dave?

The law of pressure is you need to, the definition of pressure is the walls of the container that the gas pressure. So here's a question for you guys. How come at higher altitudes the pressure is weaker? Exactly. Why doesn't it leak out to space? I'll give you two answers. It does leak out to space. I'll give you two answers.

But not so much that there's no pressure. Wait a minute. We're told it leaks out to space. Nobody here, Alex or you or me or anyone has any proof that that's true. That's not true. I took a handful of my gas and held it up real high. Drifted off in space. Thank God for that.

Okay. It's like, where did it go? So. I went to the moon, I guess. Oh, magnetic confinement is how matter is contained in the Earth's atmosphere through. First, it pressurizes it, turns into plasma, which at some point the Earth was probably a ball of plasma, and then it slowly cools down. So therefore, gas is contained in our atmosphere, therefore that must be true, or we're contained inside of an enclosure, like I believe. Did you ever put, what is it, sodium hexamphosphate or whatever?

Sodium hexyl chloride. Yeah. Yeah, that's cool. They bring it out in a container, they pour it into a container, they put a top on that container, they float the boat on it. If you took the top off, the whole thing will mix out and we'll be gone within minutes. No, no, no. It doesn't stay in there for a long time. Well, it's because it's a gas, you can knock it out easily, but they put aluminum foil on top and it floats.

Yeah, yeah, it floats for a while, but not for long. It will mix in. So you ask the question, well, hold on, denser gases, going lower than less dense gases, does not debunk flat earth for you. You don't have to argue that you can't contain the sodium. No, no, no, but it does. But it does, but you believe that denser gases go down, right? Dense, everything dense goes down.

Okay, so if something weighed 500 tons, would it go down? Yes. The average cloud weighs 500 tons. Indeed. Why does it go down? Why does it float on the air? Because you're saying a gigantic, gaseous body, which is spread out massively into a large volume. Water vapor have more density than dry air?

I believe the, I believe yes. Okay, so how does a cloud containing millions of gallons of water float in the air? Sometimes it falls down in rain. Oh, that's when it turns into a raindrop. Wait, hold on, hold on, hold on. Do you believe in the ozone layer? Believe in is a, I would say, I have read about and have been told about the existence of ozone. Right, right.

But ozone's heavier than oxygen, so why isn't it on the ground? Because heavier doesn't necessarily. So let's slow down. A cloud is heavy in total mass, but volume is low. So a low volume object with great mass is still low density is going to go up. Yeah. Like a cruise ship in the ocean. So all of the moisture in the water.

the cloud, which is more dense than dry air, floats on dry air. Okay, let's try this. A cruise ship, which weighs millions of tons floats on water. How is that possible? Because its overall density is less than the water is displacing. Correct. So a giant cloud's overall density is less than the air it's displacing. Let's just take a piece of the cloud. We've got a piece of the cloud this big and it's got water in it. No, clouds aren't what they're told, we're told, but they're more dense. But I'm about aeroplasty. Electro-statics sort of little is out,

but you ask why it gets colder or less pressure as you go higher, right? Yeah. We live in a dynamic system. The heat comes from the ground, not from the sun. The sun heats the ground, but that's where the heat is generated. As you go up, it gets colder because the air, and the air gets thinner. Colder, you get less pressure. And then there's also a theory out there that people have been looking into

that we live in this, in this, in this, in this, in this, in this, in this, in this, in this, in this, environment where there's all this energy here, provably, and the electricity in the air scatters the gases. Well, the higher up you go, the more energy there is. Every meter up is 100 volts more. So as you walk up, it happens all the time. Anyone has a drone, get some really thin wire and hang it from your drone. And when it's hanging in the air, grab that wire, you'll get electrocated. It's just from all the energy in the air. So as you go up, you have more and more electricity, you have colder temperatures. We live in a dynamic system.

We can get a tank of gas and there would be more pressure on the bottom than there is on the top in a closed tank. So pressure gradients do exist in containers. I've just never seen pressure without a container. Do you ever see they make clouds inside of buildings? Yeah. We have that problem here actually sometimes

because this building is 38 feet tall. The building we're in right now is the small building in the building, but the main metal structure is 38 feet tall and 75 by 100. And so we get moisture build up and you can actually see it start forming. Not like a cloud. You see the lines of moisture start forming. You have your studio at 68 degrees, which I love.

No, no, no. I'm saying outside the room, you can actually see the line of where it's like you're in a separated medium and the water is up. Yeah. Because it gets hotter. It says that it's grass. I mean, I don't know. The answer is the reason there's gas in Earth's atmosphere primarily is because because of gravity.

Yeah, but we can do a simple experiment. You've got the vacuum of space is unable to pull the air up and away, but I can point my straw down and with the tiny bit of low pressure difference of my mouth and lungs, I can pull air and water up and away from gravity effortlessly.

Why can't the space vacuum do it? Probably because of the acute pressure of your sucking relative to the amount of water you're pulling is greater than the Earth's, the vacuum of space. No, the vacuum of space, we can't even recreate that here. Mathematically, like us

trying to drink a straw compared to the expansive space, dude, they would have more pressure. The air on Earth would go, and we'd all be dead. It sounds like you're guessing. No, that's not guessing. Gravity is pretty strong, especially near the core, near the surface. Near the surface. So if I got a box of air

and I got a box of air and I brought it into a room on the earth that's a vacuum, so there's no air on the outside of it. And I poked a hole in the top. Is the gravity going to hold the air in there? No, if you had a little ball inside that box, that was super gravitational, the air would stay inside the box. What about the gravity? Forget the little ball.

I got the whole Earth's gravity holding the air down. If you had a box of gas and you took it into a vacuum and you poked a hole, all the gas would go into the vacuum. But if you had a box of gas with a circle in it, a sphere that was a magnetic gravitational dot, and then you poked a hole, the gas would not escape into the vacuum. Oh, that's a good point. Hold on, hold on. That is a horrible point.

No offense. But you're making up a story to defend your belief and it's something that's unfal survival because you cannot do it. And electrostatics are fake. In your, in your... No, we believe in electricians. No, no, no, because Ian just made the point that an electrically charged object would hold a gas to it in a vacuum.

He said it wouldn't, it's not true. It's gravitational. This is what Claude saying. You can't bring me gas with gravity. You can't bring me water without a container using just gravity. You can't do any of those things. These are claims that you guys make and none of them are provable and or falsifiable. What do you mean?

You can't bring water without a... Bring me a gallon of water without a container. So what kind of... bring you this clicker without a container? Yes, it's a physical object. I'm talking about liquid. Water's not physical. What is you're saying?

What is a liquid? Shoot it at them with the hose. But hold on. The point is, but I don't need to. Wait, wait, okay. Ian, Ian, please. I can put water in my hand and hand it to you. That's a container.

And so you need a container for a solid object. It's all the same. No. No, there is. What's the difference between me, cupping my hand to hold this in place and the water being held in place as well? You're holding it with a container, but it doesn't need a container. So how do I give it to you with no container?

You can toss it to me. That would require me to hold the water. Something physical throwing it to me and me catching it. A physical object cannot interact with another physical object without a physical object. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about liquid, water. Water always finds its level. Water at rest, at rest, large bodies of water at rest, always find level no matter how far you go.

70% of the earth is covered with ocean. 50% of the ocean is the abyssal plane, which is flat. There's no curvature. Pilots have seen storms a thousand miles of. away, seeing lightning storms a thousand miles away, that's 75 miles of curvature. Do you have a pilot's license? Of curvature, I do not.

You should get one. But then it'll say crazy flat earth crashes. I was going to say you could go up, but you could film and you could record all this stuff. I've been on plenty of planes and stuff. But like when I was flying in the last day, man, it looks flat out here. Why don't you go to space?

Because space is fake. Let me ask you a question. What if I had the, I have connections with the head of Warner Brothers or whatever studio. is that does Narnia, and they're going to let you go into the closet into Narnia. Would you go? Whoa. Would you go?

Well, yeah. Well, you're being a child because you know Narnia's not real. Well, you said it's a movie studio. They're going to let you go to the actual Narnia. See, that's a different question. Okay, that's a different question. If a movie studio said you want to come to the set of Narnia, I'm like, oh, that sounds cool. Do you want to go to space?

I want to Dase is faking gay. No, no, whoa, whoa, hold on. So if someone came to you and said, I can get you on a boat and bring you to a Gartha beyond the ice wall, you'd believe it? No, I wouldn't believe it. Agatha's fake and gay too. It might be. If I felt safe, I'd love to.

Can we talk about aliens or ghosts? Yeah, but I wanted to just clarify what you were saying about the box in the vacuum because I don't want to misrepresent what you were saying. You said if there was a box of gas and you took it into a vacuum and poked a hole in it that the gas would escape. Violently, yes. But if you had, then I added, if you had a ball in the center of the box, it had extradifiable gravity.

Unprovable claim. Well, it's the metaphor of the earth. Unprovable claim. Putting it within the box of the atmosphere. But it's unprovable claim. So you can't use that. I'm sorry. I mean, I'm offering a counter to your claim.

Well, your counter is something that you can't do. My offer is something that you can. But also, your metaphor doesn't explain Earth's atmosphere. It's a different. No, it's an empty box. Its atmosphere would be a box with a thing in it, which is the Earth. Yeah. So I've got the air on the Earth.

The gravity of the Earth should hold the air in the box, but it never does. If there was an Earth in the box, it would. What difference does it make if the Earth is in the box or below the box? You need gravity to pull the gas into the box from within. So it can only pull it. it from all directions. It can't pull it down. Correct. Earth is pulling gas from every direction towards the center. Okay.

That is a claim that you absolutely cannot prove and I disagree with it. Well, no, but here's the thing. Respectfully, the argument about not being able to prove it, that's why I keep saying argue the claims made because the claim is notice how everything falls,

that's gravity. You're saying you can't prove it. It's like, what do you mean? I can, gravity's there. What about a balloon? What about a balloon? So the issue is you're not disproving it saying you can't prove it. You're saying when I pick something up and drop it. He's making a claim about air staying in a box if you had a dense ball of gravity. That's something you can't prove.

Now, we can prove that this goes down because of buoyancy and density. We can make things go up by putting a negative charge into them. We can make things go down. How does buoyancy work without gravity? It works with electrostatics. There's an electrostatic flow from the sky down, right? So weight is immaterial? There's a coherent flow of electricity from the positive sky to the neutral and negative

ground. And if you only have a positive or negative, the energy is erratic. But when you have both, are you saying that heavier objects have more charge? It depends. It depends. Like that little spinning thing is floating. It's floating on magnetics, I assume, right? Yeah. So is it defying, what's it doing? Is it defying electrostatics or it defying gravity? Neither. What's it doing? It's being pushed. It's being pushed up by magnetism. So there's a series of magnets pulling it down. What's telling it to go down? If I can make that magnet disappear. gravity, I say electrostatics. I can test my claim. You cannot test yours. I think gravity is

how do you test the electrostatics on that device? Well, I can test the electrostatics. Everything has electrostatic charge. Everything. I don't have a tester. But how does that prove movement towards the earth? You can't, you can't prove that. Yeah, we can. We can manipulate things by adding a higher positive

charge. They'll go up. At a negative charge, they go up, at a positive charge, they go down. Is this documented? Yeah, yeah. I have many videos. What do I search for? Well, on my app, if you go to the gravity section. There's a whole bunch of videos on it. It'd be, it'll be tough for you to find. But Tim, think about a balloon. How is that an anti-gravity machine? What? I'm saying a balloon. I hear you a balloon. Why does it go up? Why does it go up?

Boiency density. Boise and density. So gravity, I'm saying, you're going to argue buoyancy and- buoyancy density using gravity. So the way that buoyancy works is gravity. Yeah, I got it. So everything's being pulled down. So the denser, the denser weight is compressing and the lighter things can't push it away. That's your story. Got it. Right? I say the reason things go down is because of buoyancy and density being directed by electrostatic. That's called electrostatic levitation. That right there.

We have proved. You know, they say it's not the UFO on the desk is called electrostatic elevation. Great. So it's not defined gravity. It's using electrostatics to go up. So my claim is buoyancy and density use electrostatics as their base of direction. Actually, that's probably a magnetic limitation. And actually, that's a good example.

I think it's a good example. I don't know, Dave, do you ever talk about spiders? You know, spiders look like they're flying. All right, wait a minute. This is NASA conspiracy stuff. You guys are with NASA. No, we're not. Electrostatic experimentation is in NASA.

Space Agency. We're not with NASA. But Tim. Look at this. You guys are just spewing NASA propaganda. Yes. In a way we are. There you go.

We use our own verbiage against it. But Tim, your claim is gravity, which is unprovable. And it hasn't been proven. It's never been isolated. And our claim is electrostatics, which have been proven, have been tested. And you can do it yourself. We had way ping you on the show, NASA X NASA scientists talking about it. I mean, I think you look at Maxwell's Equipful.

of electromagnetism and you look at Newton's equations of gravity. It's the same equation. He's the one that said that gravity is more of electrostatics. I think for sure. Okay. So they're slowly transitioning to get people used to the electrostatics thing so one day they can flip the switch and go, yeah, it's always been electrolystatics. What's wrong with you? But do you think everything falls?

They're getting out and they're trying to get out in front of it. You do think it's a magnetic field that is making everything fall? No, I know. I'm waiting for Tony to just to break the door down. So what are ghosts? No one's going to ask you anything. No, it's fine. I don't know.

Tony, what are ghosts. This is a... Hold on. If the Earth is flat, how do we have ghosts? I'll tell you exactly. So, no, it comes to the Nephilim. So what happened is, the third of the angels, that's why 33 is a famous number with the occult. It's because a third of the angels were cast out of heaven, and these are became, you know, earth-walking angels.

They had sex with human beings. They occurred to the Nephilim, these giants. He's related. And the Nephom, when they die, they can't go to heaven. So their demons, their spirits were actually stuck. on this earth realm, and those are what we consider modern-day demons. So there are people that were before us, whether you want to call them dinosaurs or nephalum or giants, whatever.

People can make different arguments for what they think that that was. But their spirits aren't able to go to heaven, so they're stuck here on Earth to haunt us every day for the rest of the life. Why do they do that, to guard us? Like, do they have benevolent intentions? No, because they're like a demonic being. They're not pure like human, so they can't get into heaven. Well, it's the spirit that resided in the nephalum that is what they're identifying

now as demonic entities. The reason that demons can't get into heaven, because they have a little bit of... Let me ask you for the question. So, you know about, we talked about this before with the short season, Satan's little short season. Oh, Satan's little season? Yeah, yeah, Satan's little season. So in 1776, France gave us a Statue of Liberty. That's the story, whether it was on that date or not, but it was for 1776.

And the story is that Satan, that the millennial reign of Christ for a thousand years happened already. And we're not waiting for it to happen. And so now we're in Satan's short season. Well, a season's a quarter of a great year, which is a thousand years. So it's 250 years. 1776 plus 250 years is what year is that, Alex Stein? 2026. 2026.

And now France just gave America another 50-foot-something bronze statue of not of Lucifer this time, this time of Prometheus. And it's being built at the SpaceX property. And we know that. Yeah, right now. I just want to point something out at CERN. They have apparently a shrine of Shiva. Yeah. Which is weird.

Isn't that weird? Which I understand because they're destroying, you know, have you seen the rituals and do you know how many of CERN? But have you seen the league's footage where they're doing a ritual outside of CERN? They're wearing robes. It looks like a fraternity, you know, spanking fest. They're literally all wearing robes. They're doing a ceremony outside of CER and somebody was in a neighboring hotel and film this.

And that person actually got like arrested or something for even exposing it. That's the story. I think it's a true story, but I can't prove it's true. But I know exactly what you're talking about. I want to believe it's true, but I don't have proof that it is true. And I don't want to derail, but it's weird that they're using a Hindu religious thing at the scientific fact. So everyone knows about CERN, right? Do you know there's a website that has all of the particle colliders on the world?

Do you know how many there are? There's like 10,000 of them. There's a lot. Yeah, there's a lot. It's crazy. But when they turn it off CERN, things got weirder. I honestly think they should turn it back on. They turned it on, everything chilled out.

I know that's what I'm saying. And they turned it off recently. They just turned it off. I'm saying when they stopped using it, everything got boring and everyone stopped caring about stuff. You can turn electricity into matter. We haven't had news and this whole summer's been done. There's no other own riots. Please turn back on.

Hadron. Give us something to talk about it. They turn electrons into Tows and then the Tows turned into hadrons and then the hadrons basically are three quarks. Do you believe this brainwashed guy? He believes all this. I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't believe in atom. You can turn protons into electricity. and you can turn electricity into protons matter.

It's crazy. So we're told, you know, solar panels work, right? You know solar panels work? Yeah. Because scientists don't know how they work. They have an explanation for it. Well, their explanation is that a photon take a billion years to come from the center of the sun to the surface of the sun,

then it took eight and a half minutes to get to Earth, and it crashes into the silicon cell and it knocks an electron out, and an boron molecule out, and then an electron jumps in, and it keeps doing that, and it makes a current, right? The reason they can't, and that's just the theory. They really don't know how it works. The reason they can't figure it out is because they think the sun is a burning ball of gas 93 million miles away when, in fact, it's literally a transformer from another dimension. Well, they don't think it's a burning ball of gas.

It's a fusion reaction. I just, fusion reaction. I just shorten it up with burning ball. What is the professor's name? His space on me for a second? It'll come to me. Bill Nye? No, no, no.

Neil deGrasse Tyson? A real. Bill Nye says girls can become boys and vice versa. He has a mechanical engineering degree. He's not even a scientist. I can't think of his name right now. I'll yell it out later in a non-sequitur. But let's just say the sun is sending electricity to the Earth

and the solar panels are just collecting it. It's that simple. They can't realize that because then their whole cosmology is a world-view change. It's a question of how does solar energy become electricity. It is electricity already. It's just collecting it. Right, right. So how is it converting it? So the electricity hits it.

Half their story is right. It does hit the silicon and it knocks the borne out. but it's not because of a photon hit it, it's because electricity was transmitted to it. The electricity's coming from the sky. I challenge anybody, get your drone, get a spool of really thin wire, take it off and when it's hanging in the air, grab it.

I did it, I got electrocated, the wire broke, I threw it all in the garbage, and I'll never do it again. How high up was it? It was, I don't know 400 feet, maybe. So get up to 400 feet with a wire hanging down and then grab the wire? Yeah, I don't recommend. By the way, if anyone does that,

I'm not taking any responsibility. They explain it with what's called the photo, electric effect. This is how they say solar panels work. And what's happening is photons are a, they're a pressure, they carry pressure. They're not mass. They can hit things and make them change. So like if a photon hits an atom, the electrons in the atom will bulge away from the core. And that's what they call the levels of the electrons are going up. And then they start to act different. They can interact with other things because they've been hit by a photon. They've been activated. So the photons are hitting these panels and activating the electrons in the panel.

And then the electrons are starting to move back and forth. And you have to believe it because He's wearing a copper Faraday Day Day. Yeah, but what do you think? That is a nice jacket. Is that a Faraday jacket? Yes. But real quick, like, how does a plant? Put your phone in the pocket?

It does. Real quick, Ian, how does a simple plant turn the sunlight into energy into food? I mean, do I think that's a... I haven't studied, what's that called? Photosynthesis, but probably a photon is hitting the plants matter. And when the matter's getting bombarded by photons, its electrons are going up levels, and then they're starting to do different chemical reactions. It's magic.

Well, it's only magic. I think there is a supernatural aspect to our... It's only magic. universe, I mean, I think we'd all agree. You can believe anything you want, but I'd rather not believe. I'd rather know. And if I don't know something, instead of believing it, I say I don't know. You got to go to the subatomics. This is what's so fascinating.

There's bosons and fermions. There's charge carriers, which are like bosons, which are like force particles. You're talking about things we cannot even see with a microscope. It's basically spinning force. This is stuff we cannot see. Well, then there's like electrons, which are matter carriers. I agree that exists. Forks, electrons. They carry, um, nutrients.

They carry matter. They're like actual things. But then there's all the other stuff that's like pressure. And that's just pushing on stuff. Oh, I got an idea. What? Who's like, do you guys know who like the most hardcore greater earth theorist is? Sean Hibler, maybe?

We got to get a greater earth, hollow earth, flat earth debate going. Well, I think there could be something to do this. Six hours. I know Dave's not into hollow earth very much. Exactly. Imagine a hollow earth guy being like, no, you don't know. You're completely wrong flat. You're nuts.

It's hollow. Well, I think that the way that it's right. You're all crazy. We live in a gigantic. Algartha is beyond the ice floor. Okay, let me just say this one thing. The deepest we can go is Marion's trench in the ocean that is less than eight miles deep. And then the deepest that we've ever dug on Earth is eight miles deep through the, you know, Russian borehole.

No, no, no, no, Alex, if you dig about 12,700 and 42, you'll be in China. Yeah. And that's not possible. I got to talk about Hollow Earth because I think it might be real. Because I think if this planet Thea hypothesis is real, I don't know if you guys have heard of it, but like they say three billion years ago when the Earth was forming, there was another planet. in orbit that smashed into Earth, blew out the other side of it, turned it into a molten ball of fusive plasma

or whatever the fuck it was, and then the other thing slowly cooled down into what now we have is our moon, which is why it has a lot of Earth's material in it. But at that phase where Earth was just molten ripped open, it reformed and cooled down with all these hollow caverns within it, like how deep, it could go throughout the entire...

That proves it. Planet. It's a wild theory, but... There are weird things where they see, like, in mountains that have like... It's a cool theory. Yeah, but it's not... I think there is like something hidden underground. They say there's underground cities here in America.

So we know less about the caves and we know about the oceans. Yeah. Well, that's what they tell us. They say that we know more about space than the ocean. I just checked, you're actually right about this Marianas Trench and we're being like eight miles. I was exactly right about that. So the deepest hole every dog is just about eight miles. When they were drilling, they were using ground penetrating radar to see what they were going to hit next.

They're like, okay, no more rocks. They hit rocks. Okay, no more water. They hit water. They were wrong every step of the way. So if the earth was an apple, they'd drill. drilled like a quarter of the way through the skin of the apple. They were wrong every step of the way,

but somehow they know the next 4,000 miles to the core? Do you know the story about how when the U.S. and Russia teamed up to drill? The core of borehole. And is that what you're talking about? Yeah. And that they heard. The ground down there. Did you ever hear it?

Yeah. Let me pull it up. No, don't pull it up. I don't want to do anything you need to tell. I don't want to hear the demons, in freaking hell. It's crazy. If there are souls that make it to heaven,

which I think is in the sun, and then there's souls that fall to hell, which is in the Earth's core, Bro, you're probably listening to the screens of the many. I think Matt are more aligned. I think like the heaven. Now I'm waiting. The heavens are closer to the moon and the sun.

Like there is some sort of relationship. And the only way to heaven is through the sun. I think so. I think that's why I think this is the white light. They're like moving towards the central node. And then that'll send them to the galactic core. If they make it to the next layer of heaven. You know why the sun looks like it's right there above the clouds?

Because it's right there above the clouds. I need some proof. I'm saying the sound is a hoax. Okay, of course they say that. Yeah, of course. That's what they say. Everything's a hoax. Yeah, 9-11. I don't know. When I hear things, that one, that one freaked me out. I don't know if you guys ever do this.

You were here once under the Euphrates River? The waters are seating, which is prophetic. And then they say that with the waters receding, they started wandering down to places that was not accessible with recorders. And the sounds that they had coming up sounded like chains, moans, groans coming out from underneath the UFRAs. And I think it goes back to, like, we look at the people. pyramids, those are definitely like energy balls. I don't know what they were power plants, but the idea that they were just created by like idiots, that's the biggest lie. Forget about flat earth or whatever that our ancestors were dumber than us. They were

smarter than us. And that's like one thing they'll tell us, oh, they were so dumb. They didn't know what air conditioning was. Yet they build like aqueducts and grease that kept them cool without any, you know, modern technology. So they're smarter than us, but I think that's a big lot. Right. We want to think that we're at the tip of technology, the tip of civilization. We're literally in the closing credits of idiocracy. Two things, I think it's the quartz crystal king chamber, that quartz. Yeah, in Mexico. It's in Mexico, right? Piazo electric. Well, it's in the Great Pyramid in Egypt.

They found at least one King's Chamber that we know of it. Can harvest energy. I think it vibrates, causing Piazo Electric Force because it's connected to the waterway underneath. Whatever. It's causing other King's chambers to vibrate nearby, which will cause, like, halogen lights to turn on. Which is why you don't see smoke and, like, burn marks in the pyramids. Yeah, there's crazy stuff. And that's why there's part of the pyramids we can't even go to it.

And in the Egyptians, Some old world tech buildings where you can still see the electricity coming off the spires on these old buildings. So my question about the pits to hell you were talking about, Tony, is like, one time I was really stoned at my house, and my sink was really, like, bacteria ridden. I hadn't cleaned it in months. And water was dripping into my sink, and it started playing music, like notes, dude. I remember you tell me about this, actually. I have a video of it on Facebook somewhere. And it literally, blit, blit, blit, blit, blit, blit.

That's my favorite song. Yeah, that's like how black people don't have. I have changed a batter in the smoke detector. It was bacteria singing to me or something. It sounded like a living organism was affecting the water as it dripped past, causing it to drip in a certain pattern. And it was producing a certain, like it was singing to me or something it sounded like. And I wonder if these wind tunnels coming from the pits of hell that you're talking about,

the moans and stuff, is literally like Earth communicating with us. Or it's just pure wind being bent through tunnels. Yeah, I mean, I think you can look at, try looking at it in a natural sense for sure. and what kind of sounds does the earth make? You know, barring flat earth and global and all that stuff, I mean, if the earth is moving at all, what kind of sounds does that make and what kind of sounds will that translate to audio recording?

But when you come, for me, I come from a very, many would say, extreme supernatural worldview. I believe that there is a hell. I believe that, you know, scripture talks about angels being chained underneath the Euphrates River, and then you have these recordings, unless they're fake, and they very well could be fake recordings, and that just throws everything out the water.

I got one for you. How come when I offered to fly Alex Stein down, he refused to do it? Because tell him, Dave, I was scared to land on the ice. I don't want to land in it. Oh, convenient. Dave didn't go. Dave got invited too.

The whole trip was designed for me to go. It was designed to take me down. Whatever happened there, I don't know. I offered to pay for Alex. Yeah, I got it. And it wasn't going to prove. Let's be honest, Dave, they didn't see the 24-hour son. They saw something.

That's what they claim. And there are models. We have models that show how there could be a 20-year-old. 24-hour sun there. Now listen, you can say that model's a little, okay, that's a little out there. But if you look at the heliocentric model, the globe model of a hydrogen and helium ball existing in a space vacuum, remaining a perfect orbit, ignoring the three-body problem, violating every natural law that there is, that's a crazy theory. So if you want to use the object of the light in the sky moving to prove the shape of the earth, first you have to prove that the earth is curved, you have to prove that the earth is spinning, and you have to prove that helium hydrogen can be in a space vacuum. When he claims to believe something, but he won't go. No, that doesn't prove it.

I gave you the test. Why would Alex? Because it wouldn't prove anything, and who wants to go there? It doesn't prove anything. I used to say it proves something, but I was wrong. I'm so mad at me about that. I should have gone. But there are some weird things.

There are some anomalies on both sides of it. I know there's people who watch this is like, oh, flat earth is so retarded, but there's just so many examples where we can see too far that, you know, if we're applying the Earth's curve, which is. inches per mile squared. It doesn't conscribe to that model. So that's where people like Dave and you know... Every test for Earth movement has failed and

proven the opposite. What is you mean? There is some truth to it. Maybe Dave and I are totally wrong. But at the exact same time, we know that NASA's not 100% right. Like there's somewhere... We know NASA's lying. There's so much evidence. If you look at Artemis, on my website, Flat EarthDave.com, there's a video

called, how did they fit in there about the Artemis? Five minute video, NASA's finished. All you have to watch. And we even brought it to the question to the head of NASA. And his answer proved that they're lying about everything. What about Mark Kelly's about to be president of the United States? I don't even know who that is.

The congressman from Arizona, the fake astronaut. You know who? Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Get the hell out of here. No, they're saying. I am out. I'm going to Mexico.

It's over. They're saying that he's going to be a nominee for the presidential or he's going to be in the primary. That proves that the entire thing is fake and gay. Maybe Mexico might be where they're. They build the space elevator. Have you studied that thing? Yeah. That makes no sense.

I don't understand. Hold on. The space elevator, you're spinning on a ball and it's so long that it has centrifugal force or centrifugal force that will hold itself up. This doesn't make sense. Gravity would pull the cable down. No. The cable away millions of tons.

If I had a rock on a string, how fast, like a foot long, I'd have to spin around pretty fast for that rock to go out here. I understand that, but that's not the way they explain gravity and orbit. That makes no sense. If the space elevator would have to be in geostationary orbit. This means that the weight of the cable will be pulling down on the station and it will need upward thrust permanently. Whatever is up there has to have more mass and it has to be at a place where it's pulling, it's being pulled, so it pulls the whole thing up. But that's not possible because of gravity.

Gravity works the inverse. We're on the same team. It's faking gay. It's untrubable. It's not, it's not anything. It's a story that's a cool story. How would a geostationary orbital structure carry the weight of a multi-trillion-ton cable? I think your buoyant tons?

Well, I'm just saying an exorbitant. Orbitantly large. Like a cable... A cable that can sustain an elevator has to be particularly thick. Yeah. And it is going from the ground up to space without falling. It's a mine experiment. The rockets can't even carry that weight.

Rockets don't even carry the weight they claim to carry. They're filled with helium. Check out my balloon rocket section. That's what I'm talking about. But outside of the flight of the argument, if we operate under the same math of a rocket ship that Elon uses, it does not... They have to use multi-stages. to get a rocket into orbit because the...

I understand that, but please. I'm trying to ask you a question, how could a modern rocket, based on their explanation, carry a cable that could float without gravity pulling the whole thing down? I don't know. That's a good question. How would they build it? Is your question? No, no, I'm saying.

Based on what they tell us in mainstream science about how rockets work, please don't say anything. A rocket struggles against its own weight to carry its own solid fuel to get into orbit. How would it be able to maintain a space elevator cable that could carry something without falling down itself? Gravity does not work like a ball in a string you swing around. You have to build a

rigid structure. Gravity works by consistently pulling it down to Earth. Built a rigid structure. That's not possible either. I agree. I agree. You could use a like a magnetic wave guide instead of an actual physical piece of matter as the tether. You could have very thin like feathery tethers, like hair-sized graphene tethers that are like trillions of them that aren't necessarily heavy by them. carry a human cargo-laden structure. Listen. Boiency. I think you'll use buoyancy

to get the elevator up most of the way, like a balloon, and then you'll fire on like ion thrusts. A lot of balloons. The cable itself will weigh more than the Burj Khalifa. I don't need to say anything. You're fighting my argument for me.

I think it's the same aerogel, graphene tether. It would still be heavy. It certainly would be heavy. And that's the biggest drawback. They haven't been able to find the tether materials, but lately they found a breakthrough, I think, a month ago

with what they think might be the right tether material. It's a potential I mean, rocketry's expensive Yeah, but I mean it seems like It'd be better to just put it on a balloon And if they did do something like that Promise, the balloon only gets it up so far

And then the atmosphere things out That's what they say, but a big enough balloon Have you ever tied a yard A piece of yarn? A balloon? A what? Yeah, piece of yarn. Stuff like that. Yarn? Get a balloon, right? Yeah, let the balloon go, what happens? It shoots straight up, it's gone. Eventually, you can't even see it anymore. Tie a piece of yarn to it and let it go, and what happens?

It will reach the point at which the yarn lifted from the ground begins to weigh too much for the buoyancy and the balloon will stop where it is. You mean a whole spool of yarn? Yes. It's really good. It's up to a certain height. Right. Because the weight of the yarn is increasing as so how would you get a space elevator cable into orbit?

Let's take a quick vote. It's impossible. 1,000 tons. Impossible. Why are we talking about it? But this is the question. Based on the modern estimates, it would be 1,500 tons. So you could do it.

I'm sorry. The commercial concept, Obayashi, to carry payloads would be 7,000 tons. How would 7,000 tons float? What would hang? It wouldn't flow. Hang from what? From the platform in space.

Okay, now let's pause. The way orbit works, there's orbital decay. You have to continually apply outward thrust to counteract the gravity, pulling it down to Earth. The Lagrange point. So it would be up to a platform in Geocentury, and then there would be another tether

that goes further out to what's called the Lagrange point where you have another large mass of body that holds everything. This would mean the entire weight, 7,000 tons is additionally pulling the whole thing down to Earth. Yeah, it's being counterbalanced by the giant massive object. And what's keeping that in space plus the 7,000 ton? The sun is pulling on the Lagrange.

You know what the Lagrange point is? You know what the Grangeme's point is? You know what the point between the sun and the earth? I mean, explain it to you. There's a point where the Earth's gravity and the sun's gravity are neutral and you can park something there. Right. Cool story, bro.

But that's so ridiculously false. It's so dumb. It's so dumb. And the Earth is vortexing. It's never the same distance. It's not the same distance. It's not going to figure out how to do it. It's a ridiculous concept.

I don't know. I don't think so. I have no problem saying space elevator is a stupid idea. All right. It doesn't prove flat earth or argue flat earth. It's just space elevator. It will not be funding the space elevator. I think it's a great idea.

I just don't think it's like mechanically sound to start building tomorrow. If the space elevator was viable, Elon be building that instead. No, you got to build on the moon first. the moon first. The reason why we know the moon landing was fake because they would have already marketed it and put a Nike sign or Coca-Cola sign on it. That's just a fact because we can see it from everywhere else. If they really could go there, they would make astronauts or whatever Chinese slaves.

They had a camera on the moon filming the earth spinning, showing the eclipses and everything. I'd tune into that thing 24-7. Yeah, it'd be like the number one channel on TV. Apparently they want to make super laminate graphene space tethers for these elevators. There's going to be more than one of them, by the way. There's going to be zero of them. a lot of elevation. Zero. Zero. We're definitely, well, we've got to build on the moon

first. The only people that are allowed to go on it is Katie Perry. Why do you think? Do you think that space is real? No. You think that just it's like all a projection? I think that we have a firmament and the stars are in the firmament. I think that we're seeing things inside the firmament like the sun and the moon are in an apparent position. Get one of those glass half domes and then hold the light above it and look in the dome. You will see

see a little sun floating in there from the light that you're holding above it. So, Maybe the real son is in the actual firmament, above the firmament, from our point of view, and then you can see it being projected. Okay. But Ian, real quick. I was going to make this point out. It's possible that all what we're seeing is a projection of something else.

Yes. Yeah, yeah. But that doesn't mean there's nothing beyond. No, there could be. There is something beyond. There is where the real source is. It makes a lot of sense. Yeah, it does.

I have lots of videos on it. You got to check it out. Oh, that's super cool. I never thought about the atmosphere is a projector screen. Going back to, going back to what I said earlier, like we think our ancestors were dumber than us. Without a telescope, they're able to map the sun, moon, and stars before us. So the idea that there are trillions of miles away, it just kind of seems laughable when they're able to make constellation patterns when they didn't even have modern technology. So I would argue

that I think that kind of proves that they're closer than they say, not trillions of miles away. How were they able to do it back then with no modern telescope? They able to figure out Saturn. I think they're making a lot of mistakes with distance in space because they use what's called redshift to explain that things are speeding up and getting further away faster. And you know how they figured out how the moon, or excuse me, the sun is 93 million miles away through the transgression of Venus. The transit of Venus is 44,000 miles away. So they think the sun's double as far away as that. Wait, hold on. The way they did it is they had two people watch the transit of Venus, one on the East Coast, one on the West Coast. And it started at two different times. And since Venus is about the same size as Earth, they figured out the distances and those distances of the sun. Here's the problem with that equation. Who told them Venus was the same size as Earth? They figured out the distances and the distances and the distance of the sun. Here's the problem with that equation. Who told them Venus was the same. same size as Earth. Because that's a made-up variable. So if you had a million dollars in the bank

and I doubled it tomorrow and I doubled that the next day, you'd have $4 million, right? You'd never had a million dollars in the bank. So you don't have $4 million. You'd have an equation that's nonsense based on false information. Which might be true. And then in addition to that the red shift, which is how they're like, it's 100 trillion miles away and it looks like it's getting further. I think that red shift is when the wavelength seems to be getting longer and which indicates that it's getting further away faster. But what's really happening is you're seeing a wavelength, which is a very short wavelength like this,

from a different angle, because it's curving around, the universe is curving around on itself and it's torus. And it's going to, like a helix, like an infinity sign, it's going to bust crunch back through that center point explode out again. So it looks like it's expanding,

but it's really turning. But it's looking to be a lot closer than it seems. You ever worried about the sun not rising in the morning? No. I am. Could you imagine what that would be like? Would it be hell on Earth? It would be done.

But I just, you don't worry about that. it? No, of course. That doesn't mean you think it's going to happen. Because I'm like, I'm also worried about zombie apocalypse. Oh, that'd be crazy. I think that God created the earth. I think you created the machinations of it. And we try to like, you know, give a scientific reason to it. You know, we use the whatever science nonsense you want

to use. But I think it's just obvious from our perspective, the sun and the moon look the same size to us. I know they change, you know, during the time of the year and the pattern and time of the day. But my point is, I think that the sun and the moon are like the yin and the yang. I think that's pretty obvious.

Like if you just looked at it, same reason why we get energy from the sun. We get a similar energy from the moon. And I mean, we can prove that. Did you see my interview with 102-year-old Ruth? So I was interviewing this woman about the World's Fair, 102 years old. She's very, mind was very with it. And I asked her at the end of the interview, I said, what did they teach you in school about the Earth? And she said, in public school in Hamden, Connecticut, she was taught in the late 1920s that the Earth was flat.

in public school. So the whole thing, Eritocanates figured it out 2,000 years ago is nonsense. Six in shadows. Yeah, Six and Shadows. The guy that figured out the radius of the earth,

no one ever wrote a book about him until the 1950s. He was never written up. The guy that figured it out, no, for 2,000 years, nobody frigging that. Why would they, when did this change,

and why did they change it? Well, they changed it when the Rockefellers took over the education system, which was in 1902 or 1901, somewhere around there. And they slowly changed it. They were teaching flat earth

up until the early, 1960s, right? And then they switched it and then the moon landing, you know, like, you know, the moon landing it's like, don't look at Antarctica, we're going to the moon. And don't look over there because after Project Tide jump where they discovered more land beyond

the South Pole, bigger than America that no one has ever seen. That's a problem for the globe. Why don't you fly to Agartha? No, you should look up General Admiral Bird. How? Do I have an airship? You get a plane. How do I get more fuel out there? But Dave, Dave. You can fuel up in Chile and then you can fly to

Gartha. It's not far. It's too far. You can fly for 12 hours on a single plane. How am I going to get back? You don't. Okay. So crazy flat earth who kills himself lost to sea. Dave, you talk about General Admiral Bird, who talked about he was the first person, first general to explore Antarctica. And he said in Antarctica, Tim, he said this, that there was tropical climates, that there was parts of Antarctica that had beaches. And that's what he said. Yeah, tropical growth and everything. And he said there's more resources there than all of America has combined, including Alaska and everything. So, I mean...

Probably why they shut down the flat earth thing, because it makes people think that there's more Earth to explore which there is. That's part of the motivations. Well, that's part of it. It doesn't discount that the Earth might also be a sphere. They just don't want people thinking about the extra Earth. And that's kind of where I'm at. I think there is probably something rounder universe,

but the idea that it's just like the spinning ball holding water, it's impossible with that you describe, yeah. I don't think it's impossible. Well, how does a ball hold water? Gravity. Come on. But a balloon, a simple balloon can just... Yeah.

So hold on a second. When you talk about dust, we have Sahara dust in Texas. Ian. Why do you think dust sticks to a tennis ball? That's static electricity. Yeah, it is. Ian. Yeah, that's what gravity is.

No, gravity is not static. Electrostatics. Well, you're getting close there. Very close. But if water is as attracted to gravity, that means that the ocean must curve. Correct. Right? It doesn't curve.

It doesn't curve. If water is attracted to gravity, it would all be attracted to the center of the earth. Yeah, it is curve. So it is, no, it would be if the Earth was a globe, but it's not. We've measured. We've measured. You can literally look across. At Michigan, where Tim Trum in Chicago, you can see the whole entire skyline of downtown

Chicago. We used to do that, actually. We go to the dunes in Indiana, and you could see Chicago. Right. And here's a problem, though. The debunkers will say, well, I can't see the bottom of the building. Well, you can't see the bottom of the building for several reasons because of the angle that you're seeing it, the marine layer, waves, all sorts of things.

But that doesn't matter. The top of the tallest buildings should be hundreds of feet below the curve. and we can see the whole city. Let's say you're in that room and I'm in here and I shine a light on the door crack but you can't see me and I can't see you. You can see where I'm hitting the door crack with my flashlight.

You can see the refraction of the light bending around the piece of matter. So that's why you can see across the lake. No. It's the exact same phenomenon. No, it's not. You're shining a light on something that I can see. There's nothing in between me and Chicago.

That's why I can see Chicago. Do you guys ever see a pinhole projection on accident? Yeah. They're really crazy. There's like a video where a guy goes in his garage. and there's a projector screen of the outside on his floor. And he's like, this is crazy. It's because a hole was punched.

And it created a projection screen. Yeah, pretty cool. That's like that where they say the moon is a projection. Like that that's where you're going to like... There are people who believe the moon is a reflection of the earth. That the atmosphere is actually a projector screen. You poke one hole and then the hole, he can see the hole outside projected in his room from one hole. What people don't understand is that the sky is actually a canopy with a thursday.

thousand holes punched in it. Yeah, but Tim's trying to be funny, but real quick, let's say something about the moon. A lot of people don't realize this. People think that women have their periods. But people think women have their periods once a month. They actually don't. They have it 13 times a year, and it's once every 28 days. And that's arguably what the original calendar was. It was 13 months of 28 days, because that's the exact moon cycle. So we've kind of adulterated the whole entire calendar, but if we actually went by the moon calendar, we would have a perfect system where there would be 13 months, all 28 days, and everything would work easy. 13 months, 28 days plus one day to reset the year, that's 365.

What do you think of the idea that the moon is responsible for delivering and removing souls from Earth? I've never heard that. Yeah, to look into that, I find it very interesting. And it seems up with women's cycles. The moon is responsible for delivering? The moon is responsible for delivering souls, the transition of us coming from the heavens to have this physical experience here on Earth. I have no proof. It's a theory.

A lot of people talk about it. But Ian, do you believe that we have souls? I want to... Yeah, but I don't think we each of us have one. I think that all the spirits in nature will embody you and weave you at different times. Right, you have spirits in and out all the time, but you have a main soul.

I think you do. And when you're sleeping and your main soul leaves and journeys, you can't wake up until it comes back. That might be true. And you can't remember what it knows. Sometimes you can. Sometimes you can't. If you get good at it, you have to practice,

but it's very difficult. If memory is like a magnetic formation of neurons, then I would think that spirit, which is like a magnetic fluctuation of some sort would be affecting memory. And like, these spirits might be able to, like, turn certain memories on in you.

Right. So that's about where I'm at with. Well, I think the importance is to remember that we're not a thumb. We're not a finger. We're not a thigh. Like there is a soul inside of us. And then when we die. You know, I think so.

But I don't know about you, Alex. Yeah, maybe not. Yeah, I'm soulless. But I will say this. A lot of what we're talking about, guys, you know, Dave is not a scientist. I'm not a scientist. Ian's the farthest thing from it, even though he's a graphene king. My point is this.

It's like, I think Dave, I don't want to speak for you. But like, the motivation that we have when I talk about these subjects is just look and do it on your own. Like during the pandemic, they said, don't do your own research. I think David just encouraged people, just looking at some of these videos. Here's the thing. If you look into it, Google, chat, GPT, Clyde, all these things, Claude are going to feed you what they want you to see. You have to really take the time and do the research. I've taken the time. I've organized everything. I've put it on my website. I have the crash course. I have the frequently asked questions. I have my flat earth clock app. You don't even have to get the

app. But if you want to support me, get the app. Right. But, just check out the crash course. I challenge, here's my challenge. It's, um, I recommend that you get the app and then try to prove me wrong. Come up with a globe proof. I offer three bitcoins for one globe proof. It wants those Bitcoin. Three bitcoins for one globe proof.

But before you send it to me, you have to check the frequently asked questions page, right? Because your stupid question and your stupid proof is already debunked in there most of the time. However, to make this legal, because some of the glovers are freaking out, you're offering a thing, but you have to buy your app, you don't have to buy my app. Go, you can go to the crash course on my website, watch the first five videos. Are you pressing specific proves? Yeah, a scientific proof that the Earth is a spinning ball in a space vacuum. Are you saying there are three proofs to prove?

Or are you saying, give me any. One proof. One proof. One proof. Three bitcoins. Three bitcoins. For one proof. And is the proof a specific claim you want proven? Or are you saying?

No, I want a proof that we are a globe spinning in a space vacuum. So what would satisfy that? A scientific proof. Nothing will satisfy it because we're not. Well, if we were sitting in ball and you can measure the curvature or you can show the motion around the sun, you can prove that we're orbiting the sun, then that would be proof. How do you prove that? Tim, he will say this and I think Dave gotten a little bit. You can't prove it because it's not true.

Well, not much trouble, but people will say, oh, we can see the moon and we can see the stars. And so they try to prove the shape of the earth by looking in the sky. That doesn't necessarily prove the shape of the earth by looking up. It doesn't. So I agree with Dave. Kim, if I came to your house to put carpeting in, I measured the lights in your ceiling before I cut the carpet, would you kick me out?

One more time? It's all right. I was pulling up a thing on garage. It's right. I'm just saying, if I'm measuring the lights in your ceiling to figure out how to cut the carpet for your floor, I don't think that would be so smart. You want to measure the floor, measure the floor. You want to look up with the sky and speculate, feel free,

but you can't science the sky. Um, uh, man. Well, say it. I don't think there's any problem to measuring the roof unless you're wasting time. If you can do it super fast, I don't care what you measure while you're in there.

Hey, Tony, do you think, I'm kind of interested in what you think about like what souls are and how that works. Yeah, I think, uh, Jeremiah 1-5, I believe this 1-5 says that,

uh, the God knew us before we were in our mother's womb. So I think that God installed that into our bodies before. we even were created. He knew us. We were in existence with him. And he brought this into a body when we were born. Well, real quick, I like that he brought up above verse. I want to bring up Joshua, chapter 10, verse 12. On the day the Lord gave the Amorites over to Israel, Joshua said to the Lord in the presence of Israel, Son, stand still over Gibbon, and you moon over the valley of Ajalon. So the sun stood still and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its

enemies as it is written in the book of Jashar. The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day. So I'm saying according to biblical cosmology, the sun is moving in that God was able to stop the transit of the sun. So if we go back to the Bible, I think it kind of proves more to what Dave is saying. No, you wouldn't call that proof because that's just a book that some guy said a thing happened. Well, I think there's a lot of choice in the Bible, but whatever, that can be, you know, up for a debate. But I'm just saying the way that the Bible describes the earth is that the sun and moon are on a trajectory and that it could have potentially stopped.

If we're flying 1,100 miles spinning and then going 666 miles around the sun, none of that makes sense. I'm with you. If you don't believe in the Bible, that's useless. But also, like, why are you moving right and left right now, Alex? Stop moving left and right. Oh, no, I'm the one that's moving,

but it just looks like you're moving. That's how the sun and the moon are. Yeah, it's kinematics. They're all moving. So if you can't tell whether it's the sun moving or the earth moving, well, then it doesn't prove either. Why are we talking about it? You got to get outside of both of them and look from a distance, which is what we do is satellites.

Well, actually, there are no satellites. You know, it's funny, the cosmic microwave background. But, you know, you like science, you can actually look up the cosmic microwave background. They took a picture of the universe, allegedly. This is what NASA tells us. And in their own picture, Earth was the center of the universe. Yeah. And when Artemis looks back at the Earth, we have the full Earth, right?

And we don't see a single satellite. There's supposed to see tens of thousands of satellites up there. We never see satellites from space. Are you sure? Yeah. I have an app where I can. No, you can view, you can't see a rock tracker. I mean, hold on.

You can, you can view, you can view a simulation of where the satellites are, but they never, you never see them from space. It's like the Hemawama, what is, Hemawari. Hemawari, dude, that's literally a, the transit of a satellite, and they just look at the modern day weather, you know, patterns and just plant it over there. It's just like a simulation. It's an actual. So a lot of people use the Hemawari.

It takes a picture of the Earth every 15 minutes. right? And you look at it and it's supposedly accurate with the cloud data. Well, the Himawari, by the time the picture hits the internet, it's already 10 or 15 minutes old. So could you take a model of the earth, a model accurate of all of the clouds and put them over the earth and create a fake earth? And the answer is, of course you can. But we got access. We found somebody leaked out access to NASA FTP server that didn't have a password on it. And in it was tens of thousands of files of dated folders of Himmari pictures. And in one of them, we found the blue marble, fake ball, the weather data, and exactly how they built it. We caught them red-handed on how they fake these images. Now, how do we get all that weather data? You guys didn't know this, but there's 950 some odd

balloons, weather balloons that are released worldwide every day, every 12 hours at the exact same time, all spread out across the earth. So they go up and they're going doing air barometric pressure, wind speeds, everything. It just collects all data. It all goes to a central computer, and that's how they figure out flight routes. That's how they figure out weather patterns.

That's how they figure out everything. So that's how they get all that data. They wrap it around. They say, we got a satellite in space. They can pictures every 15 minutes. Do you know the moon is hollow? Because it rang like a bell? Cool story, bro.

No, because there's a production studio in there, and that's where the director watches. Oh, that's a Truman Show. It's a Truman Show. It's a Truman Show. Hey, you know what? That's more true than the moon being a rock in space. That's one thing where I will get, you know, hafi about. The idea that the moon is just some dusty rock is not true.

I mean, the fact that they say that it's a mirror and that it reflects the sun's light. It has its own light, and you can actually look up these tests if you guys don't believe me. But if you're in the sunlight, you go stand in the shade, the temperature is going to be less when you're in the shade. That's the opposite with moonlight. When you're in the moonlight, it's actually warmer. Excuse me, it's colder than when you're in the moon's shade. So it's just, it's different. It's colder.

When you're in direct sunlight, sunlight, it's cold. than if you went in the shade. Now, there's a hundred ways to do that test incorrectly. Some people would get cardboard and block the moonlight, but now you're insulating the ground. So that's a false positive. In their argument, Tim, is that... You have to do it where there's a vertical wall,

and the sunlight is here, and then there's a shade over here. The moonlight is cold. Now, the globe debunkers, the flat earth debunkers, came out and were just going, there's no such thing as cold light, but then Cody's Action Lab, a flat, not a globe science guy literally came out that

week with the cold laser. He showed that you have a laser that can freeze things. What? Yeah, cold laser. Look it up. So this is saying it's warmer because out in the open, the heat escapes faster. What's the guy's name? It's called the Cody's Action Lab. You're saying the tree blocks the heat from the right. Yeah, but they the people have done it. Ken Wheeler did it

where there was a brick wall and the moon's over here. So there's moonlight hitting the cement here, and there's moonlight not hitting the cement here. Right? So there's nothing insulating the ground. It's the same. Hey, everyone. So you may have seen in a previous video.

I couldn't find cold lasers. Right. He has fire that freezes. That's what I was thinking about, how electricity feels cold. Yeah. Or it can, you know. Asma arcs really well.

If you flow helium through it, then you can actually cool the atoms down. while the electrons stay hot. So you have hot electrons but cold atoms. And so that makes it so you can actually touch the fire. So you're able to actually touch the fire and it doesn't feel hot and it doesn't burn you at all. But in that video, in the comments section,

a lot of people were asking me, what was the temperature of the fire if I measured it? And all I could say is that it kind of felt cool to the touch because I was flowing helium through it. And then it dawned on me, I could actually make this fire any arbitrary temperature that I wanted depending on my gas temperature. So then I set out to do the impossible.

I wanted to make a fire that actually freezes things instead of burns things. So let me show you my setup of how I'm going to achieve this. So instead of regular room temperature helium, I'm going to be cooling down the... Get a drop of water on the end here. Fire that freezes, huh? That proves it. Well, I think it just debunks.

It's a lot of modern days. And it's frozen. Yeah, they call it chemiluminescence, which is where lights produced by chemical reaction without significant heat. But then there's also St. Elmo's fire. It's an electrical phenomenon where bluish glow appears around pointed objects during storms because of ionized air. Looks like flame, but it's not hot. Then there's foam jail fire spressants. I don't know what this guy's doing.

Then there's fiction. Sorcerity. So cold fire. Again, these are all very, very interesting things. but moon landing is fake. Whenever Artemis was fake, Earth is flat. Earth does not move. And check it out.

Don't believe me. It'll free your mind. What difference does it make? I still have to go to work on Monday. That's what people say. It changes everything once you understand where you don't live. The problem is with the state of mind is like you've got to get people something to live for. And if they think there's nothing, like what's the point of even living?

I was very happy with my life before I found out. Actually, no, but let me answer this because it's the opposite of that, actually, Anne. So the whole reason why they lie about the origins of the earth and tell us the theory of evolution is they want to hide the existence of God They want to make you think that this is your only level in life and that when you die it's just like before you're born There's nothing But that's just the farthest thing from the truth We know that we have spiritual people way before us that obviously there's some sort of supernatural aspects of the earth So that is the motivation it's like creating science as a new religion that is a new Christianity

That's a new Islam so that's why they're able to make this lie and that they can hide the existence of God We know I think everybody in the the room believes you can fly in an airplane, right? Does it believe that? Yes. You can fly in the air? Yes. But I think airplanes are lying.

They say they have a swimming pool worth of fuel on the wings. That's not. So, okay, we all agree we can fly in the air. How far up until that just disappears all of a sudden and there's nothing? Like 45,000 feet. How have you ever proved that? Well, there's planes that have flown that are. There's special planes.

I think the- Because they have eclips. I think the ceiling is lower than they're telling us, but we're looking into that with some pilots and stuff. I don't think that, I don't think that I, I personally don't think that planes can go over 70,000 feet. But what would happen? They just hit a wall called a firmament.

The air gets too thin and too cold and there's no more lift. Can a rocket slam into a firmament? Yeah. Possibly. I don't think any of those Elon Musk rockets crashed in the firmament. Many flat earthers show this one where it looked like it's scraping along the firmament and then it exploded and it was gone, right? I think that was just a helium-filled rocket and it exploded,

whether it was done on purpose or to give us a o-wah. But if it was scraped, the firmament, we wouldn't be able to see it with our naked eyes. It'd be too far away. Forget about that. Forget about the firmament argument, which is, I mean, I think it's fair. But when you watch a video, Tim, of the thing landing in reverse cowgirl just on his butt, rocket ship, that's so fake.

Those videos are the faked-a-i-garden I've ever seen. And Elon's able to just make a rocket reverse on his butt onto a remote island. Dude, it's just nonsense. Like, you've watched his videos. What do you think about it? Do you think there's a real? I have never really considered the fact that they weren't real. I've done.

Because, I mean, you're talking about, you know... They have no wings. They're able to just, you know... They're coming down like this, and all of a sudden, p-h! They land on a raft, upright, bullseye, out 800 miles in the ocean, and it's a drone raft, so there's no people there. And just before it lands, the camera goes dead. It's black, and then it comes back on after it lands, right? I don't know if you know anything about the ocean. It's rarely calm out there.

I mean, every single time they come down, it's fucking dead calm. Let me make this point. There's people that have kayaked. like sailboats across the ocean across the world, though. Even with modern technology. But the rocket always lands on this raft by itself, and the camera always goes down. But guys, we know that they have serious, you know,

warfare technology happening in the Strait of Hermuz, right? And Iran is supposedly trying to bomb American ships. They can only get it to a certain coordinates. They can't, like, bomb directly on it, even with the technology that they tell us that they have today. So it's like there is a little more to it. It's not that easy to just make a bomb or drone go into the ocean randomly and just land on this is a problem there is a there is a degree of uh you know

uh what's the word i'm trying to think of uh room for error yes there's a degree for a room for contingency a problem with the theory of no space is that if there is space and china or russia is building weapons that they can shoot straight down on us and we're we're da da da it's fake it's fake we will lose and die they have those weapons but they're on balloons they're on balloons but if you really just completely discount the possibility that there's weather technology that there's weather technology Why do they need to go to space? Why don't they just go like 70,000 feet and shoot it that way? Well, because if the further way it is, the harder it is to detect.

Okay. So if you give up and you're like, there's nothing out there, and we don't have to worry about anything. But, Ian, we couldn't detect Chinese balloons until they got over Minneapolis, Minnesota. So I'm saying these things aren't as easy as you think to detect. Right, they tell us. These are all stories, and they're not attacking us. This is the theater.

War is real, but it's the theater of war. It's all planned. It's all organized. Who do you think Space Force is? Space Force is cyber space force, that's it. It's not real. No one goes to space ever. No one's ever on those rockets. That's a dangerous thought. I know it is. Because if they do and there are enemies there, you're in a lot of trouble.

I got it. That's being, you're afraid of that. I understand the fear. But if it's not true, when you understand that these rockets cannot carry people, there's not people on them. On my app, I have a section called balloon rockets. Watch those videos. And then you'll see how fake the space shuttle was. How fake these rockets are. Elon does this one rocket launch, where the rocket goes up, up, up, and then it just, like, it turns on its side, and it's falling and falling and falling. But we got a side view of the rocket, like, from the ground.

And then when it switches to the onboard camera, all of a sudden it's like way above the, it's like up in the atmosphere, and then the side view, it's really low, and then it just, the engines turn on, it magically turns upright, turns upright, it's coming down, two of the three engines turn off,

and it lands perfectly. It's the dumbest thing ever. If you saw that in a B movie, you'd go up to the ticket boat booth and say, I want my money back. I think there's a lot of fake propaganda, media propaganda since the 60s about what's. We're talking direct from the moon landing. Well, yeah, Michael Collins. They used to actually fake training pictures and said that they were actually a lot of fake propaganda to establish. Hey, we're the best at space.

We're the best. This is all our fake. They'll put out fake things. They'll say, this is real, but it's fake. That doesn't mean that there's no space and there's never been space exploration. I think you're misinterpreting what Dave is saying. And then, you know, Dave and I aren't 100% agreed on this. But there is like a space, but it's a firmament.

It's like a space above the waters above the earth. Like there is obviously an expanse of the universe, but it's not like what you think. Just stars, trillions of miles away. Everything is much closer. Explain the firmament. What is it? In like one sentence or two sentences. It would be like, you know.

The barrier between the upper oceans and the lower. The Bible describes it as a crystal like substance. It could be frozen oxygen. I don't know what it is. It could be an impenetrable, frozen structure. It could be what? Ask the chickens in our chicken coop what their coop is made of.

We're not chickens and a chicken coop. We are chickens and a chicken coop. If you go to a lesser form of life that is enclosed in a space and ask it to describe the material that keeps it enclosed, it'll say buck, buck, buck. Yeah, but we're the alpha predator. We're at least able to shoot rockets into the sky. You know about Project Fishbowl?

What? Project Fishbowl? In the 1950s, they shot large bombs up to the sky to figure out what the firmament was way made of and to find out how reflective it was. And there's videos of these bombs exploding and hitting something and spreading out. Oh, Dave. Look it up. Project

Is it Fishbowl? Is that the right one? But Dave, this will trigger Tim. And Project Dominic. Operation Fishbowl. Operation Fishbowl. Operation Fishbowl. No, they said nuclear weapons. I just think it was big bombs. But Tim and I don't believe in nuclear bombs. We were nuking the sky. I hope it does.

You know, the way they tell us about these nuclear bombs is nonsense. Like, of course, they have huge bombs, but the idea that, like, Einstein was able to secretly split the atom during the Manhattan Project, and that's what bombed, uh, Pearl Harbor, or excuse me, Nagasaki and Hiroshima. It's just fake, dude. Like, what they tell us about nuclear weapons or is... I don't think so.

You can split apart, you can turn neutrons into protons. And that doesn't create a bomb. I've never done it, okay? I've never done it personally. Yeah, I'm never by. What a neutron can turn into a proton. I'm just telling you. That's what you read in a book.

You read that in a book. This is the reason, though, they want to use, the threat of nuclear warfare, just like for the reason that we started this war with Iran, and everybody's struggling. Diesel prices are the highest have ever been. Gas prices or double-pane war, you know, less than two years ago. Because they said, oh, well, they have weapons of mass destruction. Of course Iran has weapons, but they have ballistic missiles that can, I think the farthest thing

goes 2,000 miles. Even if they had a nuclear bomb, even if they had reactors operating at 100%, they don't have a delivery method that can make a bomb go from Tehran, Iran, to New York City. So it's just like all nonsense. and they use that as a fear tactic. He would describe his trauma-based mind control. And, you know, Netanyahu for the last 20-some-odd years, is going, there are two weeks away, they're two months away,

they're a month away, they're days away from having those. And every year, he just kept changing it to now. Now he says they're two months away or whatever from having it. And that's been going on for 20 years. How many times are they going to say the same thing? How many times are we going to fall for it? And you don't think they could buy a bomb from Russia? You don't think that Russia would sell them a nuclear weapon?

But Alex, what about Hiroshima? Nagasaki. Well, you can actually look that there's were fire bombs and actually, like two days before the attacks, there's actually like less bombs going off around Japan and then all the sudden in a concentrated area, there was all the city, it was just fire bombs and you can look at images, there's churches, totally fine. Three days later, the trains were open, the sandwich shops were open, the flower shops were open and people, yeah, and nobody was allowed to take a picture or write an article

or they went to jail. Only one guy for the Associated Press or whatever the organization was was allowed to report and now the Japanese yen are so dependent on American dollars that they would fail without us. So it's just funny how, you know, we fake nuke them. And then all of a sudden their whole entire economy depends on our currency. We conquered them. Yeah, we conquered them after World War II. We conquered the Japanese Empire and still occupy them.

Yeah, I don't disagree with that. What I'm saying is so if we occupy them, they're going to say, oh, we're the victims of this nuclear bomb. And it wasn't a nuclear holocaust. It's just what they tell us about nuclear bombs. Yes, we have huge bombs. I know this is going to trigger people. We have the Moab and the FOAB, which is the father of all bombs. But these are like 2,000 pound bombs or whatever, 10-ton bombs, however they describe them.

It's not the same as the idea that a nuclear bomb goes off, and then there's like a 10-mile radius where our skins are melting and, you know, everything's falling down. That's not what happened at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Isn't there footage, though? It's funny you talk about that footage. You're talking about the famous footage, and Joe Rogan is viral for saying that in one of the clips, there's a car. And then the second, as soon as a bomb goes off, the car is missing. those are obviously a diorama done in some sort of studio. And how was the camera?

Those were public release test footage, not Hiroshima Nagasaki. Yeah, I understand. But there's issues of that. There's film flubs in that footage. So, actually, it's funny. We talk about the nuclear bombs. You can actually go to downtown Las Vegas. I feel like the bar is still in business or just recently went out of business.

It was called like the bomb shelter. And back in like the 60s, you could watch bombs go off in the nuclear, you know, the nuclear bombs go off from the desert from downtown Las Vegas. So if they were that dangerous, why would they be blue? blowing up bombs in eyesight of Las Vegas, Nevada. A lot of more underground, so they were safer. They also didn't really understand the dangers of doing that. I think they understood the dangers of radiation.

They've done that for a long time. They figured it out in the 1900s. I wanted to say this before I had forgotten. Pilots have, there's video through the pilots, when they show the video, sometimes they show you on your screen, the video of what's in front of the plane. From, I believe it was Dubai, they could see the Himalayas over 2,800 miles away, right? At just a thousand miles away, there's like 80 miles of curvature, right? But at 2800 miles away, there's thousands of miles of curvature.

But they can see these mountains. You can see the outline of the mountains. So if something doesn't curve. Record-breaking photos. There's people that break these records every year. There's video, yeah, the long-distance photographs. They're not even flat-earthers. You're just taking pictures.

They don't even realize what they're taking pictures of. And you can't say refraction for a thousand miles of. curvature. You can. You can. Bright enough or tall enough, you can. You can say whatever you want. Yeah, light will bend around surfaces. Yeah. So will a shadow bend around a surface? A shadow's not a real thing. All right, so.

Right, okay, come on. Now, shadows aren't real. We can see. No, it's the absence of some thing, but it's not a... Shadows aren't real. So if the sun was below the curve, and I had a mountain blocking the silhoueting half of the sun, could that sun refract up and show the outline of the mountain? Right, yeah, you might see

sunlight around the edges of the mountain, even if the sun is behind the mountain. Well, you got the mountain cutting a little jigsaw out of the, out of the sun. And so that sun is a mile below, miles below the curvature. And it could be fracked up in the sky to still look like it hasn't set and have the mountain silhouetted it. Yeah. Because it's getting caught in the atmosphere and then being projected back at us. All right.

Come on. You're lying eyes. You're just making stuff up to support your position. Were you going to tell me that you can't do it or were you asking me if you can? I was asking you if you think you could do it. do it. You believe that you can. All right. Light bends around surfaces. Yeah. Can you show me an example of that without reifying the earth?

I'll show you right now. I'll show you with my flash light. What about like when we can see the whole skyline of Chicago across Lake Michigan? I don't know if it's bright enough because it's kind of bright in here. I don't know if it's bright enough. Can you see my phone at all? Point this. This is as much retarded. I see my phone at all. Yeah. See my phone at all?

No. Can you tell that there's light coming around? No. Can you see light? Not really. No. You can a little bit? No, but we can't see the light. I mean. Carter, dim the lights. That doesn't even matter. I know what you're doing. Put your finger halfway in front of the light and tell me if I can see your finger.

Dude. Let me try this experiment first. Can you see that there's a flashlight behind this even though you can't see it? A little bit maybe in the top. That's what's happening with the horizon. That's light, the bleeding. That's not an image going up. Yeah, okay.

Ian just completely debunked everything. You guys believe your entire moral world. That's it. That's it. Shutting it down. Shutting it down. But I will say this. You know what you're going to write an article being like flashlight experiment in

podcast debunks flat earth. They will. They will. They will. They will. They'll say Tim pulled debunk to. Yeah. Tim.

Yeah. Honestly, they probably will. They say Tim, Bruce Earth is around. My most viral. Wow, Tim, you really debunk those flat earthers. Anything Tim tweets gets news. My most viral Facebook post happened yesterday.

I was coming in. I took a picture of the Washington Monument and the Capitol building. And then I tweeted it. I said, landing it just landed in D.C. About to have dinner with the Donald and talk about flat earth. Super viral. And I felt really bad because 80% of the people believed it. Well,

did you see the picture of Donald with all those hooded Armenian people? Wait, what? Oh, in the red? Yes. Yeah. It typed this in, it was yesterday. What was that?

Nordics. Typing and Donald Trump Armenian priests or something. Look at their wearing. This aren't real picture. Yes, that's a real picture. An X? Yeah. There's a video of it, too.

Yeah, there was a video. Yeah, that's what I thought. At the White House. No, those are real, Carter. And so he's like 6-4, and they were like at least six, seven inches all that. It had hoods on. It was so bizarre. Did they have hoods? I thought it was just white hair that they...

I saw the white hair ones. I saw the black hoods on them. X's down. Well, they're like Armenian Catholics or something. I don't know. I mean, you know, it's just... Are you talking about the one where he was outside meeting with? No, those are the people in the red things. These are people they were just in like black, almost like priest like robes. It won't let me search for it.

They had hoods on. Oh my... It was a hundred percent real here. Let me find it right now. Don't know from black. Search isn't working. wild. Let me find it. It was so bizarre. Do you think Trump is the antichrist, Dave? I don't even know if it's the same Trump anymore at this point. I don't know. I can't make any claims. You have no idea you just... I don't know who the antichrist is or if it is. I don't even know if it's the same Donald anymore. I don't know. I don't follow any politics. I can't take it. You don't think he's... I mean, this is one thing, Tim, and this is actually relative what we're talking about. You look at the Texas Senate

race right now and everybody's predicting Tala Rico is somehow going to win, right? And they're getting mad at Trump for not putting in enough of his Trump pack to make Kempaks and win. But if you actually look into the funding, Tala Rico's biggest financial supporter when he ran for the

house in Texas was Miriam Adelson. Look at Donald Trump's biggest supporter is Miriam Adelson. Oh, here we go. Was this what you're talking about? Yeah, those people, yeah. Look at it. What? I don't know. Okay. You don't think that's a little weird these guys in black robes? What are you talking about? I don't know, but dude, that's a little bizarre.

Armenian clergy. Oh. Tim, if you had your beanie on Trump would get mad of you and they got black robes on? That's not true. I met Trump wearing my be in my hands. Okay, all right. You proved me wrong. My point is, you don't think that picture is a little bizarre.

And I would say that Donald Trump will do real quick. I would say the gold trim all over the wayhouse is bizarre. Well, you saw he got canceled by New York Times because they found some super glue and he was usually using, he was allegedly using the super glue to glue that stuff on the wall. You didn't see that stuff. No, yeah, they got mad at him because they found super glue on his desk. But I'm just saying... He's cooked, man.

Trump's cooked, dude, and I love Trump. The Republicans have abandoned everything. The interest rates are going up again. You've debated in his honor. I've debated his honor a lot. And dude, this is a guy that has gone against every campaign promise that he made. And that doesn't mean that I don't support Trump. Well, okay, I love what he did with January 6.

I like the USAID. Okay, there's some good things. The border. The border. But other than those two things. Well, I mean, there's like a handful of principal promises and the worst one was the Iran war, but the rest were pretty good. They just reduced vaccine schedules from like 80 to 11 or some crazy number to 11.

But also Donald Trump also had Johnson and Johnson family. And they just spread them out. They didn't say you don't have to get them. They're just allowing you to spread them out. Which is good. Actually, they say the MMR vaccine has less side effects. You know how there's no cost. There's nothing that you would do to, you know, to not protect your family, right?

You'd blow up the whole world before you'd lose your family, right? Right. There's nothing you could pay me to take a single vaccine. Nothing. I blow up the whole world to take a vaccine. You're all dead. Yeah, but we know people see. This is one argument though, Dave, that you and I were talking about COVID stuff. We were, and I was guilty of this saying, oh, if you got the vaccine, you instantly died. And of course, there were some people that had side effects.

But it wasn't as bad as they said either, right? Would you agree that? Well, I think that the main effects are yet to be seen. Yeah, I think there's argument for that. I've been studying it. MRNA is a transfer. It sends information to your ribosome to make the protein. And so they're creating synthetic MRNAs and they're putting it in the system. You guys got to talk to Brandon. our homie who works here.

You met him already. But he had an adverse reaction, and it gave him, what is it called, paristhesis, temporary paralysis of his arms and legs. No. I've got my good friend. Well, Davis, his brother got myocarditis, a young, healthy guy. You know, Ben like Ian, I'm saying he got myocarditis. You know the benefit of being a conspiracy theorist?

You don't get myocarditis. Is working hypothesis about why it was killing some people hardly is because they had a concurrent retrovirus, like HIV or pneumonia or, I'm sorry, not pneumonia, but leukemia. And so the retroviolet is rewriting. Yeah, I want to bring up one thing. I got to have a flight about the antichristia. It's a Friday for me.

I got a flight. Definitely need to like, too. So I want, good. No, I'm just going to say, we're going to start wrapping things up. I actually have to fly tomorrow. I've got a lot of work. I'm not going to be here next week. I just want to bring up, well, let's go back to Artemis for a second.

So they land in that Apollo triangle capsule, right? Forget about the size and how they couldn't fit in there or how they even got in there. but it's coming back at 25,000 miles an hour. Now, we've seen, like, Felix Baumgartner jumped from 20 miles up, and he wasn't even having wind resistance until he got, like, 50,000 feet, right? So the Artemis is coming down.

It's coming in, and it has to slow down to 200 miles an hour before the initial shoots come out because they would just shred otherwise. So how's it slowing down? Wind resistance? Wind resistance, right. So at 100,000 feet, is there enough air to slow it?

down? No. No. There's not. So at 40,000 feet, is there enough? Maybe it's starting to a little bit, right? But at 25,000 miles an hour, it's going to hit the ground in like seven seconds. But it comes in at an angle. It comes at an angle of two degrees. That's like very shallow angle, right? And the bottom of that thing, the big disc bottom, it's the heat shield and it's very heavy. Why doesn't it tip over? It comes in at two degrees. It goes about a thousand miles sideways. Even at the bottom. It's those, the deceleration would be so many Gs, it would kill everybody on board. But meanwhile,

they're falling, covered in fire, plasma. NASA can't even film it. They only show us an animation. And they're like, they should be coming out of the no contact zone soon. Literally, they come out of it and the woman's like, you know, Alpha

Control to Earth, Artemis to Earth. Can you hear us now? She's talking like she's sitting in her living room. If I put you in a van and threw you out of a C-13, whatever those cargo planes are, you would shit yourself.

But not die. You would shit yourself. Right? You would shit yourself. They're free fall in 25,000 decelerating at such a rate. We had to let this thing rapid. I think it goes to Apollo mission about how they're sitting on a 10,000 pound thruster

and they're able to talk to NASA and there's no no sound. Where can people find you? Flat Earthdave.com. Take a just watch the crash course check out my app the Flatters Sun Moon and Zodiac clock app But everything's at Flatar at Dave.com watch some of those videos turn off Netflix for a week or forever and watch those videos and then make up your own mind don't believe anything Alex says don't believe anything I say Maybe believe some stuff you say but not much all right and and and check it out especially if you think it's dumb come collect my three bitcoins yeah Tony where can people find you uh hi i'm tony i'm to the show here

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, this is good to listen to, guys. Tonymerkel.com has everything on there. You can find all my different things I do, but I host a Confessionals podcast. We talk to people about a lot of supernatural topics and explore the unseen realm. Yeah, I'm primetime Alexine.

It's always a pleasure. Love Tim Poole, one of my besties. It sounds a little gay, but it's always a pleasure to come here. I'm happy we got to have Dave on. I think what Dave said, you don't have to believe it's just looking to it. And me and Dave are both retarded,

but not as retarded as Ian, and we love Ian. When I get people, They'll be like, are you familiar with Alex Stein? And I'll say, Alex Stein was at my wedding. Yeah, are you kidding? I'm one of Tim's best friends, dude. I'm one of the biggest Timful defenders. I can't even speak in the world.

I always have your back to him. You've always had mine. And that's why I love you, brother. I think that it's possible that it's not that everything that was said today is true or everything's false. That there's a lot of things that may be true and maybe false with what came out today. So you've got to go deeper. If you were into what we were talking about, go deeper. Explore each point individually.

Spent a lot of time on each point and figure out what is real about what we were talking about. I'll just throw this in. There are a lot of people that when they hear something that they've been told true their whole life, they have an emotional anger reaction to it. Now, it may be, let's just, I want to be nice to these people and say, you may watch this show and say, Alex and Dave are lunatics. They're so wrong. By all means, but if you catch yourself getting angry about it, you need to ask yourself

why you're angry. Because if you do think the ideas are silly, you should be chuckling. And you should be able to easily look these things up and say, I don't believe it for a second. But it is strange to me. People get mad. Tim, you nailed it. I'm out of me.

Very good. Thank you. I think that's the most astute take of all this. Me and Dave might be saying nonsense, but the fact that people get upset. No, I'm saying, but I just did it. I laugh. I'm like, we don't agree about it. I'm not in a hologram.

I just did an evolution debate with these scientists, and they're like, the theory of evolution is totally proven. Once again, this is a theory. Even modern A science has its theory, and they were getting triggered. So it's like, if it triggers you, why is it triggering you? Because we don't know everything about our order. I've not gotten mad. at all for everything You're very open-minded, so you're a little bit.

Well, I think there's a, that people need to need to understand philosophy. The only thing that I know is I know nothing. Yeah. But anyway, Ian, I interrupted. Oh, that was it. There it is, man. Carter Banks. Give it to me, baby.

I mean, yeah, dude, like, I just think that I go into everything, just believing everything, and then tick things off. Just prove them pretty much. Like, you can get to, I mean. Dinosaurs from space. I want to say the picture, the picture you have up there. Get into how one asteroid couldn't kill every dinosaur.

Hold on. We got it. We got to go. We got to go. Look at that picture you have up there. That's AI. There wasn't that many windows on Artemis. Go look up the Artemis pictures.

Everyone is a different capsule. They're all AI. Everybody go to fighter at Dave.com. Let it just be the other side of it. All right, Tim, take us out. All right, everybody. Thanks for hanging out. Dave and I sat down for a good couple hours.

It's going to be up on Sunday. So it's a much chiller and more calm and philosophical. Yeah, no Alex Stein. No, Alex Stein. Right. So make sure you check it out. You can follow me on X and Instagram. at Timcast. Thank you guys so much for watching, and we will see you all on Sunday.