Timcast IRL - Pennyx2 & Zeek Arkham Uncensored: Trump WH Says Biden Knew About Drones

Episode Date: February 2, 2025

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so the white house has said okay we knew about the drones donald trump has given the down low on the drones uh newsweek is reporting white house gives update on mysterious new jersey drones uh let's see he says white house press secretary carolyn levette announced wednesday that the drones that flew over the northeast United States in the past month were not the enemy. The drones that were flying over New Jersey in large numbers were authorized to be flown by the FFA for research and various other reasons, LeVette said, reading a statement by President Donald Trump. Let's listen to what she has to say. It's only 35 seconds, so why not? Of the United States. That was just shared. I do have news directly from the president Of the United States.

That was just shared. I do have news directly from the president of the United States. That was just shared with me in the Oval Office from President Trump directly. An update on the New Jersey drones. After research and study, the drones that were flying over New Jersey in large numbers were authorized to be flown by the FAA for research and various other reasons. Many of these drones were also hobbyists, recreational and private individuals that enjoy flying drones. In meantime, in time, it got worse due to curiosity. This was not the enemy. I mean, I'm not sure exactly who the enemy. This White House believes strong.

Easy. I'm not sure exactly who she means by the enemy. Iran? Pardon me? Iran? Well, there was, I think there was, there were rumors going around. They were saying that it was, that it could have been Iranian drones, right? Because.

Yeah. I heard about subs off the coast. I heard it could have been Chinese drones. I heard all kinds of different things. Was it a congressman said there was an Iranian mothership? Something like that. Look, Congress is a clown show. There's 435 of them.

They let anybody in, okay? They let anyone in. You don't have to be a serious person to be a congressperson. Ask AOC or Maxine Waters. Oh, I can't handle her. Who, Maxine Waters or AOC? AOC, specifically. I mean, I kind of agree. I can't handle her. Who? Maxine Waters or AOC? AOC, specifically. I mean, I kind of agree.

I wouldn't mind handling AOC, you know? It's the after show. You can say that kind of stuff. It's fine. You can swear and everything. Yeah, it's fine. I didn't say she didn't look good. I just can't handle listening to her talk.

Yeah, you know. Did she say that they were all government drones? Or hobbyists yeah i thought what was interesting they said for for research purposes and other purposes like what is that what does that even mean so there's they tell us they told us that it's not the enemy maybe and that's like kind of all that i heard i mean they're alluding to it that the United States has, you know, understands what all of them were there for research purposes. I mean, it's other purpose, probably defense. Yeah. I mean, I have heard rumors of searching for radioactive material and the like.

I mean, obviously, that's, you know, can't be confirmed or at least I can't confirm it. And it's possible. I mean, obviously, that's, you know, can't be confirmed, or at least I can't confirm it. And it's possible. I mean, who knows? And, Petney, you're big on the future, which I agree with, the future of the drone warfare. So maybe they're getting practice in? I mean, maybe it's our own drones. Maybe we are practicing with our own drones. Maybe we were just, you know, psyoping ourselves.

I don't know what it was. I don't understand why, if it is what they said, which is our own research, why didn't Biden say anything? Why didn't they, why did they let us freak out for weeks? I mean, people were panicking over these drones and they didn't say a damn thing about it then. And now it's like innocuous. Like Zeke was saying earlier, like the government likes to classify stuff. They like to keep secrets. Yeah. I mean, I was actually just about to say that.

You know, if it really was just, you know, just a dry run, why didn't Biden or why didn't KJP or anyone just go, hey, listen, you're going to see some drones. That's us. Don't freak out. They're going to do some circles, loop-de-loops and all that, and you'll be fine, okay? It's us.

Don't worry about it. Why, like, this was huge news for a long time, for a couple weeks. Why didn't they come out and just say, hey, listen, yeah, no, sorry, we dropped the balls. We didn't tell you. It's us. Why the secrecy? Why the conjecture?

Why the questions? And they just sat there on their hands and said nothing. I bet they were floating the potential for people falling for a false flag. They're like, are they going to buy this Iranian mothership bullshit? Because somebody, the congressman said someone very high in the department somewhere told him it was an Iranian mother. So he was seeded that information by somebody. And it's possible that if for whatever reason the public be like, oh, my God, it's Iran. It's Iran.

Then they would have drummed up some war propaganda to go after Iran. But because it didn't stick now, they just didn't say anything. But I mean, my question, though, is now like, OK, that could be that could be it. You know, you want to see how far this goes. OK, but you don't think that some guy with with a high powered now sniper rifle is going to be like, I'm going to be the one to take these drones down and he's going to do it. And then see, you know, there's a big United States flag somewhere on the drones. Hey, listen, guys, it's our own government.

Like, why? Why not just come out and just say, hey, listen, this is what I'm doing. We got a drone program. Yeah, we got a drone program. I'd be like, thank God we got a drone program. I mean, it's well, I mean, there's no secret about the fact that we have a drone program. We've been using drones to shoot missiles at, you know, at goat herders in Afghanistan for 20 years, you know. So there's no question about whether or not we have a drone

program. It's just a matter of, you know, what kind of drones. What kind of top secret drones do we have? And what's our manufacturing capacity for those drones is what I'm really concerned about, right? Like, I think we need to be able to print millions and millions and millions of these drones. So as far as private private sector drones there is no one in the united states that make drones makes drones and that's because of regulations because the united states has said that you are not going to you cannot make a drone that will work outside of line of sight unless the person running it has a pilot's license and so because of that there are no drone manufacturers in the united states all of the drones in the u.s are chinese made

every single drone that you get in the united states is made in china and that also is a massive massive national security threat because if there is a drone that has wi-fi and has a camera that is flying through the air now they still have the same obligation legally but they don't they don't like they don't follow up the faa doesn't follow up on it so if there's a drone that has wi-fi connectivity which they all do and has a camera then china can access all of that and there's nothing that anyone can do to stop them so they want to ban tiktok but they don't want to ban these drones that are being flown all over the place not only do they not want to they actively destroyed a drone industry in the united States by legislation.

And I heard this on the, I forget which, I think it was the Joe Rogan podcast. Mark Andreessen was talking about it. If you haven't listened to the Mark Andreessen episode of the Joe Rogan podcast, listen to it. He's had some bangers lately. Well, you know who I'm talking about. Oh, yeah, yeah. If you haven't listened to it, you really, I can't urge you strongly enough, listen to that. Everything that Marc Andreessen has been doing lately, all of his podcast appearances,

he did a Lex Friedman one, which I haven't listened to the whole thing, but the Joe Rogan one. I think that he was on Trigonometry with Constance Kissen, and I forget his friend's name. Listen to the stuff that Marc has been saying, because it's absolutely, it's super important. He talks about why he went from being a lifelong Democrat to becoming a Trump supporter, why he did a fundraiser for Trump. He talks about the fact that the United States has classified entire fields of physics after World War II.

They classified entire fields of physics. Eric Wein ii they classified entire fields of physics eric weinstein weinstein steinstein weinstein was talking about this as well he was on i think he was on chris williamson's podcast talking about this that there are that the the whole of the industry the whole physics the whole field of physics there's been no discoveries that are not string theory for the past 50 years. And all the string theory ones seem like they're wrong. So, and he's, and his, his argument is, look, the federal government has classified entire fields of research. So why are they, why wouldn't they have done that? And then Mark Andreessen alluded to that fact as well on the Joe Rogan podcast or that idea. So I don't know.

I don't know how true it is, but it's possible that the federal government has totally wiped out the ability of anyone to get funding studying physics that isn't string theory. And that's because and the reason they would have done that is because they don't want people finding out actual true things. And that means that the fundamental things that make our universe right. There's a whole world of stuff out there that could be discovered if it wasn't for the fact that the government doesn't says, no, we gonna we're gonna make sure that you can't fund that stuff and again when mark was talking about um talking about ai with joe rogan he said that the federal government came and said look there's don't invest in ai companies there's going to be three companies or so that we're going to actually work with don't do a startup because we're going to own this property we're going to own this it's going to be a couple companies if the government is going to tightly control it it's're going to own this property. We're going to own this. It's going to be a couple companies. The government is going to tightly control it. It's not going to be something that

the private industry, the private industry is going to do. And then Mark Andreessen said, well, if you're going to do that, then I'm going to throw my support behind Donald Trump. Go listen to it. If you're watching, I can't recommend strongly enough. Go listen to that podcast. So I interviewed this dude named Salvatore Pais. He was a, well, he at one point, aerospace engineer, worked for the United States Space Force, worked at Naval Air Station, Patutian River. I don't know, Navy designer, but he's got a lot of cool patents. One of them is the induced thrust effect propulsion. Let's see what else he's worked on.

Hybrid craft, he's been working on. Inertial mass reduction, basically warp drive. This guy, high frequency gravitational wave generators, electromagnetic field generators method to generate an electromagnetic field like this dude, plasma compression fusion fusion device. These are all from 2018-19. And then he gets smeared as like a fraud in in the news because he's basically not really a whistleblower, but he's the guy that like patented a bunch of stuff for the Navy. I have an interview on YouTube with him. He's got a thick accent and a lot of it was like over my head, but I was kind of following along. The guy is fascinating. This dude is deep. And I think very, very clearly we have warp drive capability where we're able to compress space and then get pulled towards the compression. I interviewed Ashton Forbes. That's also on my YouTube channel.

And he's a big UFO guy, right? And what was it? The Malaysian flight? The little orbs going around it. Yeah, the orbs going around it, right? So that ties right in with this drone stuff. And who knows? Maybe that classified physics is some sort of anti-gravity stuff and it could even be related to these stories right i mean it's certainly something

that i don't understand and and if there if if human beings have discovered a way to manipulate gravity without a without actually having you know enough mass to do it naturally, right? If gravity is somehow, if you can somehow manipulate it with, first of all, with the amounts of energy that we can concurrently produce, right, and without having some massive object to do the shaping of space-time, then, I mean, all bets are off. You know, as to what you could do with that kind of technology. I mean, to call it revolutionary is such a massive understatement.

Because if you could move through the air, like, by compressing it, you could do that underwater. Well, you're talking about, are you talking about compressing air, or are you talking about... Space. You compress space itself. So, like, if you could do that out here above us you could hypothetically do it underwater as well and move like at the same speed regardless of the medium that you're in well i mean i i guess yeah that that would make sense you know um ai is gonna figure out all this stuff for us right it's classified it's classified from funding students at universities to to do this stuff but you know what they're not going to be able to stop china's ai and everyone else's ai and eventually it's going to start doing math and figuring out this physics stuff this is this is a question that i this is something that i am not i mean i'm not

super smart when it comes to ai stuff but the way that I understand AI right now is it because it needs a gigantic database of actual information that we have. Can AI actually be created creative or is it limited to only things we know as in, if we don't know something, could AI imagine it? Because the only thing that it has to go off of is things that we do know. Okay. So, so the way that these popular LLMs were created initially was they're literally just predicting the next character based on a huge body of knowledge, right. And it's, it's tokens, not characters. The tokens might be two characters or whatever, but it's not even whole words, right? It's putting out characters at a time and it's, and it's just sort of guessing what's next. So it's not really smart. What they've done recently is start putting that in loops,

right? So now it's reading its own stuff, evaluating its own stuff, and improving on it. And that's kind of like thinking, right? This deep seek from China, what really sets it apart, aside from being cheaper than the other LLMs, is that it explains its thinking to you. You type in your query, it spits out like a page of thought first, and then after that, it gives you the answer. Wow. So what's next is that thought is going to have access to tools. Like it can call a calculator to do math. It's going to read itself, realize this is a math problem. And when I have math problems, I use a calculator and then it's

going to use the calculator, right? It's going to also be able to start asking itself questions and getting curious. And all that it needs is curiosity. And then it can start to find out all different things. It can gather data, right? So right now it's running off data that it has. But there's a bunch of Tesla cars driving, recording the world around it, recording the physics around it. That data now goes into the computer, right? So soon it's going to be real robots.

Yes, that's something that people don't realize like the the i i'm like i'm a big tesla i'm a big fan of tesla's uh their their their work on ai people don't realize how much progress tesla has made on ai because of their real world access to cars driving around getting into the physical world real world ai it's a different thing and there really aren't many companies that are in it like they are and that's why i mean that's a separate show but i could talk about tesla all day i love their stuff there's what is a generative ai i think is the ai that can learn on the fly that if you tell it something it will then integrate what you just told it into its next response but then there's the general ai that we have access to like open ai where it's all giving you all its data based off of like 2024's database so if you turn the program off and then turn it back on it doesn't

remember anything before the 2024 data so it's like a fresh conversation again but then there's other generative by the way it's still considered generative there's a term for the ai that is learning in real time but we don't have access to it as a public they think it's too dangerous that ai will even tell you if you ask it why can't you learn in real time it's too dangerous for people i think facebook is experimenting with one and people start talking about nazis and then it started getting like becoming very racist and they were like oh shit shut it down shut it down there's more and more of that available now though. Like I talked about in the regular show, my friend put her shopping list into OpenAI.

It goes on the internet and orders it for her now. So they're opening up more and more capabilities of these things. And they do think for themselves now. Like I said, DeepSeek shows you what it's thinking before it outputs. So there are varying levels of it, and I'm sure that there are a lot of things that we don't have access to yet,

but it is all coming, and it's coming quickly. I think it exists behind the paywall, that stuff. The governments have the AI that's learning on the fly, and it's responding as if it's kind of like a person. Even Grok on X can read the latest. If I posted something, and then you asked Grok about me, responding as if it's like a kind of like a person grok on x can read the latest like if i posted something and then you asked grok about me within 30 seconds it knows about that post that i made and all the news from the day is on there they now are able to start to call search queries right so

so both the deep seek as well as open ai they can go out to the internet if you ask a question that doesn't know the answer for you might have to use the paid version of it but i'm telling you man the what was available just three four months ago is way different than what's available now the database that tesla has access to with grok with by owning x like the purchase of x 44 billion dollars was an absolute steal yes it was a steal. Especially when you consider you saved America. Yes, absolutely. It's really a good deal. I mean, in 10 years, I wouldn't be surprised if people look back and say, Musk paying $44 billion for that was the best deal in human history

because of the power that the AI has when you combine the entire database of twitter and the database that tesla has and it's all real time it's all real time in the real world i mean i just got a tesla in in the fall in november and i am astounded at how good the full self-driving is and it's still technically beta and it's still not like you can't actually like look at your phone while you're doing it but i understand that this year is going to be when they actually release it so you can you can actually let it do its thing yeah that's what they're saying that's what they think they're going to have the robo taxis fully unsupervised on the road this year i mean that blows my mind and it's only january so it could definitely happen

i i also have a Tesla and I've been driving my Tesla for like two years now. I got FSD, uh, relatively shortly after I got the car, the amount of progress that it's made in that time has been insane. It went from like, I had to take over 10 times every drive at a minimum to now it's 10 drives until I take over. I mean, that's a huge difference in two years. And I think in the next six months, it's going to get to where like it's 100 drives before I take over. And hopefully before the end of the year, it's like it would take so many drives to take over. We're just going to let you go unsupervised because it's safer than you driving yourself. This is why when we were talking earlier about the robots that they're making, like the servos and the robots themselves.

You look at the stuff that Boston Dynamics is making, like the robots themselves are no longer incredible technology. Like the robots themselves, just the actual humanoid robot, the server, you know, the ability to move around, that's all technology that we've had for decades now. Especially if you're talking about pneumatic like they do at Boston Dynamics. What Tesla is doing is electrifying a lot of that stuff so they're creating actuators and stuff that didn't exist before but then they are manufacturing masters yes right so they are building it from the beginning to do it as cheap as possible and these robots are supposed to be able to pick up like 150 pounds and walk around and they're going to be able to do anything so like they're they're going to make between one and 5,000 of them this year,

this year, they're making between one and 5,000. I told you just a few months ago, I was hanging out with 20 of them, right next year, they're going to make 50,000 to a hundred thousand of them next year in 2026. So like we are so close and the software is getting there too. Now that's the,

that's the missing piece. Now being able to be like, hey, go do this. And it just says, right-o, and goes and does it. But we're going to get to callers now, I think, right? We're going to be Wally also, by the way. No, I see the two. We're going to be hungry. I know every – well, okay.

I'm going full terminated with this. But everything we've talked about, they're going to be doing our dishes, and we're going to like – these people are going to have them doing the laundry stuff. We're all going to be, not me, but a good majority of folks are just going to be walling at people. I'll be like, robot, work me out, and it'll take my arms and bend them. I'll be like, oh, yeah. Okay, pause. This was the argument that people were making about dishwashers this was the

argument that people were making about you know about labor-saving devices like that's exactly it's like oh once we get once we get you know cars that that drive everyone can have then everyone's gonna get out of shape and blah blah it's not gonna happen people are already out of shape yeah five bucks ten ten years people are already out of shape. You got five bucks, 10 years? People are already out of shape. The people that are going to be out of shape, they're already out of shape. Plus you can be like, robot, prioritize food without seed oils, and it'll do all that. You won't have to think about it.

It'll get you the healthiest stuff for the cheapest. I'm going to start hunting for myself. I'm going to be like, robot, make sure that if I can't get my own food, that there's something made for me. But I'm going to find a way to keep myself busy. I'm going to live like a caveman, right? Like I'll become the best bow hunter I could be because I'll have time to do it. Why not?

Man, the amount of effort that it takes to clean up your apartment isn't what's keeping people skinny. No, you're right. It's not what's keeping people skinny. No, definitely not. Your apartments are just dirty. The people that want to be healthy and want to be skinny, they're going to be healthy and they're going to be skinny.

I'm not going to stop going to the gym just because I can get a robot that will do my laundry. The girl robots might be what makes us fat. What? The girl robots might be what makes us fat. It's not the ones that clean our house. It's the one where, like, you don't have to be in shape because your robot girlfriend's attracted to you no matter what, right? It's like I said earlier. That's not for me.

I want to prove it, right? Hard work is how you get happy. But I'm telling you, all the incels that are in their basements and they're fat and they got access to nothing right now, that's bad news. No, that's why I said earlier, once these things come customizable,

it's like, wait a minute, so I can do anything I want to them. All right, give me that one right there with the double Ds and the fat ass. All right. Some guy in his basement is going to lose his virginity over and over and over. There are carbon machines, too. I mean, making it like actual flesh is not far off. Yeah, yeah.

There's companies that make very—they've almost crossed the uncanny valley. They were at CBS this year. It's going to be like the episode of Family Guy when Craig Meyer discovers porn on the internet. One of these basement dwellers is going to come out of his house and be like, oh... He's got the gigantic arm. I haven't been outside in a month.

I bought that sex doll. I mean, my AI doll. All right, so we're going to go to callers. Who do we got, Serge? Killer Donut 85, you are with us. Hey, what's going on? What's going on, guys? What's up, man?

How you doing? Doing all right. Just chilling a little bit. First-time caller, long-time listener. Thank you. what's up yeah oh not much um i my main question like it was from yesterday but um if anyone wants to diamond on it like have at it uh it's basically in regards to the deportations uh with the administration like my main question is do you think that might increase any volatile actions

towards our citizens that are traveling abroad as well as our embassies as well as military assets that are currently in central and south america do you think that any of this might cause some blowback towards instead of on our own soil you mean yes i mean but like is that is that worse like they're attacking people on our soil now. So we're deporting the criminals and they'll do crime in their own countries. Right. I think we're moving it. I don't think that, I don't think that we're going to get major repercussions for this

because at the end of the day, it like, it makes sense. It's not like we're sending them our criminals. We're sending them their own criminals back. It's I think it's only our own bleeding heart liberals, our own like suicidal empathy. I hate the fact that I'm I have I'm white and successful or whatever. Right. Like they are the people that are like, oh, no, we need to protect the criminals. They you know, we might hurt someone's feelings. I I'm not worried in the slightest.

I think the international opinion of this is going to be like, why didn't they do that a long time ago? I think there might be a slight uptick, especially like some of like, you know, the more vacation style, you know, the Central American countries, you know, Mexico, Brazil,

places like Brazil, things like that. I think there might be a slight uptick. But you got to remember, our dollars fuel their economy. So, you know, I don't know if you remember. Remember a couple of years ago, there were people getting killed in the Dominican Republic and people stopped going there. And Dominican Republic went, oh, we got to cut this shit out. Like, you know, make this safe and make that safe. Once people get about three or four news stories in them where American tourists were attacked

or killed in Brazil, Brazil's gonna step up, especially if people stop going there and be like, all right, listen, make it safe. Ultimately, I'm not worried. I just think we took too long to get to this point. We all wear Canada hats when we travel anyway, right? Isn't that kind of thing? But also, with the Trump administration, I mean,

I love the fact that if people do start going down, like how it used to be back in the day. Like, if you're gonna Americans out in your foreign country or in your country foreign from us and you attack an American citizen or do something bad to them, then America's

going to be like, yo, shut the fuck up. We're going to come there. We're going to hurt you. We're going to get our citizen back and we're going to not let you hurt our people. Biden would never do that. Biden lets... He's terrible. Biden gave back to Russia. I know.

In this day and age with Trump coming, fixing things, making things better, I hope he brings the fear to these folks, these bad people, who might want to hurt Americans in foreign countries. And I hope he does that. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Like, that was my main concern, like, if there was – like, if it was going to just increase any type of hazards or anything for our people down there, and I'm clearly into embassies because I remember whenever we had briefings before just – like, whenever I

was in the military because I was over in Honduras for for a while over so to conno um just like stay out of certain areas and stuff like that of course that was military but yeah i know that sometimes like the like whenever people travel abroad they don't get these types of briefings and i'm like my main concern was about them oh bro they know so i cut you off but they know i was when we go overseas they know us they know – sorry to cut you off, but they know. When we go overseas, they know us. They know military service members. We don't hide in their – like with the government, I currently work for the government, but I work for the prisons. So I just want to say if anybody's trying to get a job with the Federal Bureau of Prisons, if you have prior military or any law enforcement experience, we would be happy to have you. Right now we're in dire need of people. We're in a severe shortage so if you have that we would like to have you guys there and clean with that type of knowledge because we need it well you're working for federal prisons in foreign countries what'd you say no uh the federal bureau of prisons like uh okay

like the federal prisons i like i currently work over at a penitentiary so the high security nice how's that working out for you all right thanks for calling in man it's a lot better than it was because uh i mean with our previous director she wanted us to call them adults in custody and oh my oh boy like like the pedophiles she wanted us to call them minor attracted persons oh god no no no no no minor attracted persons is an unacceptable phrase that is absolutely unacceptable that is that that that implies legitimacy to what they do and there is no legitimate legitimacy to that It is not. They are not minor attracted people. They are a danger to society and they must be treated as such.

Yeah, just ask what Gen Pop calls them. Anyways, thanks for calling in. Appreciate it. To all these people who want to use minor attracted people, I say, well, why don't you let these minor attracted people watch your kids for a while? Can you do that? No. I have a feeling the people that actually advocate for that kind of vocabulary don't have kids with their parents. They are minor attracted people, right?

That's what it is, in the closet or otherwise. Wages of Chaos, how are you? That sounds like a band. Hey, not bad. What's up, man? How you doing? Nice to be asked for. Cheers.

I'm all right. Thanks. Good stuff. Thanks for letting me call in. My question is for whoever wants to answer it. So with the recent announcement of the bill that possibly abolishes the IRS, repeals the income tax and other taxes, and then it looked like it essentially put the taxes back into the hands of the states, if I read it correctly. What do you think are going to be some of the challenges that the bill faces from passing? And then

what does the world look like post-IRS, no taxes? And then, like, people who are expecting a refund or owe money, like, do you think this will pass? Like, if it passes, do you think they'll establish it immediately? Or do you think they'll have to, like, do some kind of cleanup system? Yeah, for the last question you asked, I cannot state this in any stronger terms. Do not expect this to get rid of your tax burden. You must, you absolutely must behave as if this is not going to pass. You need to have the money to pay your taxes. And if you even try to think, oh, you know, maybe this will pass, you're going to end up in a world of shit. You don't want to do this.

You don't want to rely on this. If this does, if the executive order stays in place, right, for more than a few few weeks it will be challenged in court and then it's going to go to the supreme court or it's going to go to the courts and there's no there's honestly no reason to believe that the executive has the ability to undo something a law that was passed by congress especially seeing as it took an amendment to make it legal for the federal government to pass the income tax. The way it'll pass. Yeah. This is not going to pass.

This is not going to be something that Donald Trump has the ability to just say, we're going to do this. It will be challenged and it's going to fail. The only hope of this actually happening is action by Congress. And even if it happens, even if Congress manages to pass a bill that passes the House and the Senate, and then Donald Trump signs it, it is very likely that the next Democrat reinstitutes the income tax. This is not something that you're going to be able to rely on. Now, if on the outside chance there is an amendment passed that repeals, I forget, I think it's Federal Reserve Act of 1913. You know, that's one of them. That's that's the law. But there there was a there was an amendment that made it legal for the federal government to actually have an income tax. If there is an amendment to the Constitution that repeals that amendment, then you can actually bank on this being something that you can base your future planning on.

But until that happens, do not plan your future on the idea that there will be no more income tax because the hurdles that have to get that they have that this will have to get over are too high to bank on it it's the 16th amendment 16th amendment so if there is an amendment that repeals the 16th amendment then yes i think you could plan on it for a a certain amount of time I think you could say, OK, now it's safe to not plan on paying income tax this year. If there is no amendment, do not plan on not paying your income tax. You must plan on paying your income tax. Do not believe that this is going to get you out of anything. You will end up in a world of shit.

Do you guys have a different opinion to me if you think about it even if it became effective this year we haven't been charging tariffs through january so like all the income tax that was already paid for anyone who is a wagey getting a salary like that's already been collected they're not going to give it back right so like this year i think is in the books for taxes no matter what you're paying income taxes at least up until the point where we start charging tariffs. If there's a date four months in the future where it's like, OK, the tariffs are these and now you're not paying income tax going forward and all payroll can remove income tax from payroll. OK, fine. If they say that on the loudspeaker, payroll can remove income tax from. OK, fine. Then I'll believe it.

But until I hear that, like, no way. No way. Even then, it's only going to last as long as this administration or until the next Democrat administration. I was actually just going to say that. Yeah. Go ahead then. No, I was just about to say, like, there's nothing that that says that the next president who is who is going to be Democrat is going to look at how much money they could be making and pulling from citizens and say, you know what? I'm going to throw everything he did out the window.

And you know what? April 15th, have those taxes ready. I mean, unless something is set in stone, unless there is an amendment, unless it is voted on, unless it is set the way every other law is, it's just going to be put back anyway. So I'm not optimistic about it at all. Once I flip California, there's just going to be put back anyway. So I'm not optimistic about it at all. Once I flip California, there's never going to be

another Democrat elected into Congress or the president ever again. Listen, they're working really hard on Texas. I'm more worried about that. Let's keep Texas red. And we'd be mad too

if Biden or any of these Dems try to make some EO that we didn't like and we totally change it right back when we got we got a chance to be in charge so you know i mean that's the way it goes it's just it is this is just about your own personal safety right that's the whole reason i'm saying this is because it is such a long shot and the ramifications to any individual that tries to rely on this

that says oh i'm gonna take this money that i was gonna pay to the government and i'm gonna spend it here or spend it there it is to your own detriment you are going to be absolutely fucked do not do it you need to even if you save that money say i'm not gonna pay because i think that they're gonna blah blah don't spend it don't spend a dime of it. Like, you need to make sure that when the government says, pay me my money, you say, yes, sir. Because you're going to lose the gunfight that comes up after that. I don't know. What if he moves? I do know.

Hold on, hold on, hold on. What if he moves to Alaska or something like that and lives on the river or the lake? I cannot emphasize strongly enough. One of those people. Raymond is going to get you put in jail. Don't listen to him. You don't got to pay taxes. Save your money and pay your taxes.

Seems wise. Anything else like to add to that? Wages of chaos. No, that was the whole kit and caboodle. I think you guys filled in the blanks pretty clear. Nice. Good one. I'm just trying to keep you out of jail, man.

Amen. Oh, yeah, for sure. I appreciate it. Anything you want to shout out, man? Just my book, The Wages of Chaos, that I put on Amazon, but I'm currently kind of trying to rework it and

just to get that going again. Are you high? Have you been drinking, Fred? Are you stoned? No. No. No. This is just how I sound.

Okay. Nice. That's good. Is the book available right now, or is it not available? Yeah, it's on Amazon, but I thought that I should. It's part of a fantasy series, I see. I see part of a fantasy series. Huh?

It says it's part of a fantasy series involving guardians of a planet trying to contain evil forces. Is that you? Yeah. I wanted to make it a little bit better. Hoorah. Best of luck to you, brother. I hope you get fucking good. Yeah, man.

Get at that shit. Yeah, man. Best of luck with it. You can do it for sure. Appreciate it. DM Ian on Twitter. He'll check it out. Yeah. Cheers. All right. Peace out, man. Thanks. Take it easy. Appreciate it. DM Ian on Twitter. He'll check it out. Yeah, cheers.

All right. Peace out, man. Thanks. Take it easy. Good night. Likewise. All right. Next, we got Rath

with no W. How are you, Rath? I love him to it. Rath, are you a Lamb of God fan? No. Okay. Wait, is Rath Lamb of God the same person? No a there's a record

okay i'm a god called wrath but it's with the w gotcha guys what's your question man how you doing uh yeah so my question is for the panel um during the documents case biden was ruled to be unfit to stand trial. Yeah. Given this assessment, could it be ruled that he was unfit to make the pardons that he did? Nice. Before he left office. Well, I mean, he should if he's unfit to stand trial, it should be considered obvious that he was unfit to be the commander in chief. So I think all of the things that would go along with that, including unfit to make the pardons would also be true realistically you would have to get him out of office if he was truly unfit you would have had the vp step in and then

his part he wouldn't have been able to make the pardon so i think technically the pardons would stand but they're democrats and they're uh deceptive uh just generous genuineness uh evil disgusting people so i can't believe anything that they say to for being honest their government so they he could have been a terrible person um which i mean i'm saying yes sir oh you're in speakers uh yeah it he if he was unfit to be run through the court system of the United States of America, he should definitely be unfit for everything else after that, if we're being honest with ourselves. But we're not. We're not being honest because they get away with what they're doing. Yeah.

I mean, this has been an openly corrupt administration from day one. Everything that's happened with Hunter Biden, everything that's happened, you know, just with Biden himself and the impeachments and the Burisma, everything else. This has been an openly corrupt administration from the front. Him walking out the door and pardoning everyone he can think of, his family, Fauci, all of them, is just, I can't even say I'm surprised because this is just how he's been. So, you know, as far as him not being able to stand trial or being mentally unfit or whatever,

it's at the point now where this is what we expect from this administration and the shock is going to be having a new administration in who can actually run this country and be competent. Yeah, got anything else for us? No, that's all.

It was pretty much a question of just like, if since this happened, since these two events happened, is there a way that you could potentially challenge the rulings of his pardons. But I don't know. It's possible, considering Donald Trump was impeached after he got out of office, it might be possible to impeach him. Now, I don't think we have the votes. Again, this comes down to, you know, you have to have the votes in the House and in the Senate. So there has to be an appetite for it um it's possible

that they could impeach him for abuse of power and you know because of these it's possible i just don't know uh if if there's any legs or appetite for it so and to be honest with you i don't know that that if they do impeach him if it undoes anything that he did. Appetite, I would say there is. As in folks like us, we're like, yeah, there's a strong appetite to go up to Congress. You know what I mean, Fauci? Yeah. Well, in that case, then no.

And that's who has to do it. Yeah. But to speak to the corruption that you were talking about, Biden red-pilled me. From the beginning of his administration to the end, I went from an uninterested in politics, traditionally voted Democrat, at least in the presidential race, like across my entire adulthood. Oh, really? Democrat, huh? Yeah. My entire adulthood, I mostly stayed out of politics. I would like, you know, vote during presidential elections. And that was mostly it.

And just one thing after another happening during the Biden presidency. And I don't think I'll ever vote for a Democrat again. He ruined it, man. He ruined it. Ruined it for himself, not for me and not for the country. He may have saved the country by being bad enough to save the country, which I think is like that shit. So bad.

He saved the country. Thank you, Biden. Well, you know, it's like we could have died a slow death where they're like turning up the heat and we're the frogs in the water, but instead he turned it up super high so our feet got hot before we died, and I think that might have been what happened. We hopped out. I would have totally...

If it wasn't for the Twitter files, if it wasn't for, you know, a bunch of the other things that came out during it, I probably would have voted for him again. It's funny you say that because Obama red-pilled me. So, yeah, everything he said, everything he started doing, I was looking at what he was doing with law enforcement, with military. Remember the whole Cambridge cop thing where he said the cop acted stupidly, but then that minute he had no idea what happened? Oh.

And then when the... What really... Because I was kind of like, okay, you know. But then when the five Dallas cops got killed protecting a BLM rally, and he invited himself to the funeral, and then I went, oh, no, no no that's it I'm done full full-on red-pilled uh over to the right side of the street and that's basically what did George Bush red-pilled me really George Bush jr yeah the

whole Iraq war I was a died in the wool republican I was like all right yeah you know especially after uh because my my my initial like in like my initial i guess uh the first time that i got interested in politics was impeachment of of uh clinton and i was like oh so the the republicans are going to tell the truth and the democrats are lying because bill clinton like they were constantly saying oh it's about a blow job it's about a blow job and i was like no it's not about a blow job it's about he lied under oath and if i lied under oath i'd go to jail the president is supposed to be you know is supposed to be you know there's no one's above the law the best of us right yeah and and i was you know young and naive and i was like okay well that means that the republicans are the ones that tell the truth and the Democrats are the liars.

They'll defend their their guy, you know, and that was my first exposure to politics. And then when when the Iraq war happened and Yellow Cake happened, I was like, oh, they're both liars. Silly me. And then I was like, who doesn't lie? Ron Paul, that's my guy. You know, so that was that was mine. So anyways, that's my guy! You know? So, that was mine. So, anyways. Thanks for calling in. You got anything else for us? No, nothing else. Just shout out to the Discord. They do have the After After

show. I won't be there tonight because I am starting to feel under the weather and want to go to bed. Get some sleep. Have a nice night, everyone. Cheers, bud. We appreciate it, but it's actually called The After Dark Show, FYI. After Dark, there you go. I'm just fucking with you. Thank you, Raph.

Nah, you're good. Have a nice night. Cheers, Matt. Alright, is that everybody? No, it is in fact not everybody. We still have to speak to MC MTC 71690. How you doing?

Unmute it. And I'm not talking about Serge. Yeah, you are muted, my friend. There we go. Hey, there we go. Hey, how's it going? How you doing? Fucking good evening. Pretty good, man. Good stuff. I had a quick question

for you. With all the executive orders that trump's put now it kind of reminded me of kind of how uh fdr put so much stuff through during the great depression and by the time the courts could go through it you know it already served its his purpose you know you can agree whether or not it worked or not but you think he's kind of just trying to shotgun things through and see what sticks and get the most done that he can yes yeah i don't know about his intent but i like the i like i like the idea of that being the result so even if that's not what donald

trump is thinking even if he hasn't thought oh you know fdr just shotgun stuff so much stuff out and it got the courts busy and blah blah and some of it worked and some of it didn't, da, da, da. So we're just going to do that. Even if that's not what he's thinking, if that's the effect it has, I'm on board. I don't know FDR, but our conversation— I never met him either. But our conversation tonight kind of sounds like that way, whereas, you know, Ian and Phil and you gentlemen know way more than I do about FDR.

But, yeah, if it works out, that works out. So that's I like it if it works out. I think Trump is in office acting like a guy to quote a good friend of mine on X. He's acting like a guy who got impeached twice, got cheated out of a reelection, got attempted assassinated twice, and is now in there with the biggest chip on his shoulder. He's in there like, hey, listen, I'm going to do everything I can to piss off everyone. And if it works, great. And if it doesn't, I'll just do something else. But I think that's

what he's going for he's not worried about re-election he's not worried about nothing except getting the job done i couldn't be more excited i mean like you know it doesn't seem like the same president that we had last time around it's a different guy now it's a it's upgraded this is 2.0 yeah i i think that as much as, you know, as much as, you know, people probably think that they would have preferred Donald Trump to win in 2020. I think that the results that we're going to get and the Donald Trump that we're that we have, we wouldn't have him if it wasn't for the four years that he spent in the wilderness. And I am actually grateful for him losing the way that he did and because he went into the wilderness he learned he learned about what the democrats intend to do he learned about the process he listened to people that told him this is the way that you should do

this and you look at the people that he surrounded himself with and it's no longer all of the garbage swamp monsters that were there before of course there are going to be people that have some experience in the in dc because there's just so many people that you have to hire and they have to be people that that can do the job and i think that there is there are probably a limited number of people that can but he's putting good people in the right positions and there's nary a swamp monster i think there's the the only person that i hear a lot of criticism about is the labor uh the secretary of labor because she's a union union person someone that i i don't know a lot about marco rubio but he struck me as a swamp creature i don't just don't know him apparently

maybe he's not i would love to have him on the show. I know he's super busy now, but yeah, yeah, he's probably at this point. He's like, fuck. But hopefully that guy flips it around, man, because he's in a position to do it. I mean, I don't I don't want to toot my own horn. Did I catch up, sir? No. But I don't want to toot my own horn. But I've said from the get go, God uh god bless covet and uh god bless uh trump

losing uh the election in 2020 because if we didn't have those things i would not be sitting this table without covet i would not be sitting this table and without many people would not be our eyes would not be open without covet yeah and um without jump losing we would not have gone through this disastrous debacle of fucking biden administration i think that what you said earlier about the pot the the temperature getting turned up so fast as a result of all this. Yes. All that.

And like, that's true. That was probably the most prolific thing I heard tonight for me anyway. Like that is true. That shocked the world. That is great. We went from what felt like real life to what felt like, I don't know,

an overdone movie, right? It's like you couldn't script it. It seemed to fake the things that were happening. And it was just one thing after another. And I do think that we would have slowly boiled ourselves to death. But he warned. He gave us a warning. He's like, this is what it's going to look like 30 years in the future if you go down

this path. And we would have been ready for it over 30 years. But because it just got turned like boom, we're like, whoa, I think that I think you guys are partly right. I think the hubris of the Democrats, I think that that was a played a significant role. When when Barack Obama was elected, the Democrats really believed that that was it. They believed that the Democrats were going to control politics forever. They believed that the Republicans were going to be relegated to a regional party they weren't ever going to be able to actually win that there would be the the nomination the actual debate or the actual political fight was going to be who was going

to be the democrat nominee that goes on to automatically beat the republicans and you saw it the way that they behaved when it came to hillary clinton and donald trump and when donald trump won even donald trump was surprised yeah he He was. He thought that he was going to get beat. And when when Hillary Clinton lost, that's when the Democrats lost their shit. And you saw the you saw the the absolute abuse of power, horrible abuse of power of the swamp because they are they were all voting Democrat in the in in the swamp. They were they all thought that it was going to be the democrats even the republicans they kind of knew your your your bill crystals and your your uh you know jonah goldberg's and and those people they were all like they were all swamp creatures and they were like well we're the republicans but we're

we're the the prim and proper republicans and we don't do anything that might upset the apple cart and blah, blah, blah. And for four years they were after Donald Trump. And then when Joe Biden won, won, the Democrats thought that they were getting control back again. They thought, OK, well, now it's clear we can go ahead and we can lock Donald Trump up. We'll go ahead and toss him in jail. We'll come up with stuff. And then this will be settled and we'll be back in power. Now they have to acknowledge the fact that history isn't over and that the people of the United States,

to my actual surprise, because there was a long time where I didn't think Donald Trump was going to win. I thought, I was like, there is no way that they're going to let him win. They're going to do something, whether it be the next attempt on his life is going to be successful or what have you. I really didn't think that Donald Trump was going to win.

And the fact that he did win, thank God I was wrong. But the fact that he did win solidified that the Democrats don't have that kind of control and that we need to make serious changes in D.C. And I think that, like, you know, it is the best result that we possibly could have had the way that it went. The only thing I'll add to that is the supposed red wave that was supposed to happen in 2020 never happened. So the Democrats took their foot off the gas and said, you know what? We can leave Biden in charge. He's cool. He's safe.

He's not going to do anything. Fine. And then he shit the bed so bad at the first debate. And then they had to scramble, and George Clooney was like, yeah, I met with him a couple weeks ago, and he wasn't all there. Then they had to drop Kamala Harris in there, who was so scripted and so controlled, and everyone knew it, she refused to do just a regular sit-down press conference

until the very last minute. She refused to do a podcast until the very last minute. She came across as a horrible candidate and that more than anything prompted Trump into the office. I think if there had been a red wave, the Democrats would have said, you know what?

We got to switch up. We're going to send Biden packing. We're going to give Kamala her little consolation prize, whether it be we'll install her as a senator again in california or maybe just give her a governorship you know who cares california don't yeah and and and and we would probably be looking at president newsom right about now yeah so that the red wave that didn't happen in 2022 was a great thing yeah i would even say like it's crazy to say but i don't

think that without the fracturing of the democrats after oct 7th, I don't think we'd be in the situation we're in today. If we didn't split on that and like that whole thing didn't like completely explode. It's when we were in Miami, I think. We came back from Miami or whenever. Yeah, literally we were in Miami that day. Yeah, I think we came back from there. And as soon as that happened, I was like, yo, I had way more hope then because I was like this fractures their coalition. That's all it is, two coalitions warring each other right now,

and this destroyed that. But, yeah, anyways, don't want to keep going too long. Phil and Mr. Zika and everyone, just the last message that Phil said is super positive. It's a very white pill that you just gave out. I love that shit. It is a bit of a white pill, and I'm thankful for it. Let's go team.

Fuck yeah. Now we'll shut the borders. Yeah. Now we have the American people saying, okay, we saw behind the curtain. We saw the way that D.C. has been behaving. It's not a secret anymore, and we don't want that. We actually want to be in charge of our own destiny, and I think that Donald Trump is the manifestation of that kind of sentiment.

Absolutely. MTC, anything else to say? Well, Phil, I just want to let you know I ordered Andy Fragile. Thank you. I'm a vinyl DJ at a local bar where I live. Hey, no way. It's going up Saturday for everybody. Sick, man.

Awesome. I appreciate the hell out of it, man. Thank you so much. Hey, no way. It's going up Saturday for everybody. Sick, man. Awesome. I appreciate the hell out of it, man. Thank you so much. Hey, sick. I like vinyl. If you don't follow me on X, you should. He does love vinyl, folks. I guarantee it.

I know this. Very true. Anyways. I'll make sure you follow. Thanks, guys. Cheers. Thanks, man. Later, dude.

Great question, by the way. Thanks for getting us a white pill to end the show. All right. So thank you guys for coming to hang out. I think that wraps it up for tonight. And we will... Did I get to kill her, Don? Yeah, she was one or two.

Just wanted to make sure I did that. Okay, yeah, so we will see you guys tomorrow. Good night.