Timcast IRL - PLANE CRASHES In Philly, FAA BANS Helicopters Near DC Airport w/ Inspiring Philosophy

Episode Date: February 1, 2025

Phil, Ian, & Brett are joined by Inspiring Philosophy to discuss another plane crashing in Philadelphia, the FAA to restrict helicopter traffic near the DC airport, a US Attorney firing over two dozen J6 prosecutors, and a former federal reserve adviser being arrested & accused of selling info to China. Hosts: Phil @PhilThatRemains (X) Ian @IanCrossland (everywhere) Brett @PopCultureCrisis (YouTube) Serge @SergeDotCom (everywhere) Guest: Inspiring Philosophy @InspiringPhilosophy (YouTube) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. We have breaking news out of Philadelphia. There has been a plane crash, a small Cessna plane, I believe. Jet. Jet. Jet. Just after 6 p.m. Friday, it happened in northwest Philadelphia near Cotman Avenue and Roosevelt Boulevard just after 6 p.m. I believe there are multiple fatalities that have been reported, and we're going to get a little bit into that today. It leaves multiple

houses on fire, caused an explosion, so it was a good size plane. It looks like there was there was a fuel involved. You know, there was a decent amount of fuel on the plane. So we're going to talk about that. There is some information about the transportation security announcing the new FFA action to ensure safety in airspace that comes on the heels of the accident in D.C. at DCA where the Blackhawk and the American Airlines commuter plane crashed. We've got some information about the J6 protesters, about the prosecutors. Interim U.S. attorney fires more than two dozen January 6 prosecutors in D.C. We had some of the J6 defendants and people that were pardoned and had their sentences commuted this morning on the culture war. We had a great conversation about that. So we're going to talk about that a little bit. Let's see. We've got

some information about the Federal Reserve advisor that's been charged with economic espionage apparently he has been giving trade secrets or information to the chinese communist party which is obviously a big problem for the united states the age the cbs news is reporting agencies are asked to scrub federal federal government website to remove diversity related content i've seen some posts on x where there are people, there's guys painting over the walls. The walls had, like, diversity, inclusion, and all kinds of slogans, and they've been painting those over with the standard government gray,

which as much as the government gray is not really aesthetically pleasing, I think that it's a better option than diversity equity and inclusion and then we've also got uh the information about the joe ellis uh the trans woman that was alleged to be on the the black hop helicopter but that is not the case um but before we get into that head on over to castrew.com and buy yourself some coffee. Normally, this is the time where we talk about how many bags of Ian's graphene dream have been sold, but they're all gone. Just sold them all, Ian. How do you feel about that?

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Why don't you tell people your name and where they can find you and stuff. Yeah, my name is Michael Jones. I'm a Christian YouTuber. I make videos defending Christianity, arguing for the evidence that supports it, arguing for the truth of it, God exists, that kind of stuff. You can find me at Inspiring Philosophy on YouTube, Twitter,

or X, I guess it's called, as well as Instagram, TikTok. I would be trying to deadname it, right? Yeah. Same name, just everywhere on those platforms. And on X, it's Inspiring Philosophy? Inspiring Philosophy, yeah. So if you start typing it in, you'll see the symbol, yeah. And on X, it's Inspiring Philos? Inspiring Philos, yeah. So if you start typing it in, you'll see the symbol, and I'll just come up.

Ian's here. Hi, everybody. Ian Crossland up in the house. Come check me out at Ian Crossland anytime, anywhere. But we also have Brett Dasavick here. Let's get going. Guys, yes. Let's get right into it.

Let's just go for it. Oh, you're not even going to talk about who you are? My name is Brett. I normally host Pop Culture Crisis Monday through Friday right here on YouTube, but let's just get started, shall we? All right, so we're going to get started. Right now, we have some local coverage of the plane crash in Philadelphia. Leaves multiple houses on fire, causes explosion. CBS News is reporting emergency crews are responding to an explosion in northeast Philadelphia after a small medical jet crashed in the area of roosevelt boulevard and cotman ave philadelphia police confirmed to cbs news philadelphia the plane

a learjet 55 was going from philadelphia to springfield missouri leaving the northeast philadelphia airport when tragedy struck the plane crashed into a neighborhood outside the roosevelt mall just moments after leaving the airstrip i I don't know if you've seen any of the video, but the video of the actual crash. So this is from, this is actually from someone where the crash has crashed into some of the neighborhood. The debris field, I've been hearing reports that it's about the size of a football field.

So about 100 yards by 50 yards or something like that. It was a good-sized plane, had a significant load of fuel, which is why there's all this fire and stuff. Well, it's right after takeoff, right? Yeah. Yeah. And if it's heading to Missouri, I mean, that's a decent hike. This is not the picture or not the video of the falling one.

Hey, Serge, do we have the one with that? Can you pull up the one that where the, you can actually see the plane falling? And the reason I want to show that is because it's not, it didn't look like there was a, it didn't look like they were in control and they were trying to land it or anything. Like there was no descent.

It was straight down. It was, it was something happened. They lost control and it went nose down into the— Thank you very much. Wrong one. Yeah, after this, you'll see this video of the plane coming down. I mean, it's like full speed, angling, 50-degree angle towards the ground. The one from the ring camera, right?

Yeah, right? Yeah. Yeah, right here. Okay. After you see this, Ashton Forbes posted on Twitter, it was a missile. So I don't know, that was a little... No. So there you can see it. Let's play that a couple more times.

The idea... It was just straight down. Yeah, I mean, I do take issue with people that are going to say it was a missile. Maybe they were describing the way that it looked, but it wasn't a missile attack. It was actually a plane. No, but the nature of the political discourse and everything that happened in the last couple of days. So when we were right when this happened, we were watching live on some of the I think it was like one of the Fox affiliates here. And they had live chat while they were, you know, on the ground reporting in a whole bunch of the discussion from the people who were watching or the people who were following along in the live

chat were simultaneous discussions about whether it was some type of an attack or whether this was something DEI related, which really more than anything just gives you an idea of where the public barometer is for how people feel about these types of events in the culture right now. Do you feel like there's like conspiracy brain now, especially because I feel like we – It's because of the internet. Go ahead. I'm sorry. The point is like when these things happen, right? So I think it said like 1,500 plane crashes a year or something.

But the idea here is that you are now connected on the internet and connected to the news 24 seven. So before, when you only check the news, maybe once a day, when you got home from work, maybe you read the newspaper when you were getting ready for your day. Now, because you are constantly connected to digital communication, you are seeing these things every single day and not just in your area. Whereas usually you'd be watching local news. Maybe they would have stories on an international level but most of it was local news unless you were watching cable news like fox or cnn or like that so you are seeing far more things which makes you primed to think that there's connected events when there may be there may not how do you guys feel i have i have thoughts but i want to know what you guys are

thinking well this is this is human nature yeah i is – if you go back to how humans evolved, we were sort of evolved to see patterns because you're more likely to survive. If you go back and you're the ancient hunter-gatherer and you hear a ruffle in the weeds, it's better to think there's a predator there than it just being the wind because you're more likely to survive for the one out of a million chance that there's actually a predator there. And that evolutionary thinking just carried over into our modern thinking. So we see patterns everywhere now. Two plane crashes happen within a couple of days. They've got to be connected, and humans hate coincidences. They hate it. So we always got to try to connect things.

We got to think there's some bigger plan. And the truth of the matter is sometimes just things happen, and we just need to accept that we live in a chaotic world and instead of trying to rush like people do now to start blaming everyone trying to draw connections trying to assume there's some bigger picture and that's not helpful for anyone and we got to get control of our basic instincts i guess you could say and just have a more rational take on this kind of stuff and people have been gaslit for god knows how long but it's really come out over the last decade, you know, with COVID where they said, don't wear masks, they

don't do anything. And then a couple months later, it's like, actually, masks do do something. We just lied to you because we need to do first responders to get the masks. You know, the vaccine prevents transmission. Oh, actually, it doesn't prevent transmission. They found it. And it was a bat, but it turns out that it was actually the lab where it was grown. Yeah. So people are hypersensitive to being lied to and they're willing, I think, overcompensating and saying, so the opposite must be true then of what I'm being told. But then there's also that you can make a living by being by being a conspiracy theorist, literally online. If you if you see something happen and you say, I'm going to say that it's this this crazy, it's a missile and not an airplane, and you get 10,000 likes and all these comments on your Twitter post, then you get a check for 500 bucks. Yeah, I find no punishment.

I think that like, I mean, both of your, because I think that the fact that the institutions that even normies like trusted, right, everybody that was a normal person, they always figured, well, the government is here to take care of us, particularly people on the right. Right. The right believed in the government. It wasn't it wasn't supposed to be the big government, but they believed that the institutions were reliable. They didn't have the same suspicion for CIA the way the left did. They didn't have the same suspicion for the police the way the left did. They didn't have the same suspicion for government overall the way that the left did. And after the way that the way that covid was treated and possibly Donald Trump trump as well but the way that and i think it probably actually is the way that donald trump was treated because again republicans had been the ones that thought they were the ones that were the side that did things the right way they

they presented mitt romney who was the most boy scout of boy scouts he was as clean and polished and prim and proper and unoffensive as a politician could possibly get and he still was considered a misogynist he was called all the names in the books he's a nazi he's a misogynist and the republic and the republicans finally got to the point where they were like well we're just going to give you donald trump then you know if if everybody's a bad guy we'll just give you the guy that will win i mean they were and the right has now realized that the centers of power are not good or bad depending on their opinion. They're good or bad depending on who's actually in control of them and who's the person making the judgment about good or bad because the left will say oh it's okay that you know um it was perfectly fine that joe biden pardoned his son you know he was it's a father doing all the things for doing what he can for his his kid he loves it the left

will make this the excuses that at one point the right would make the right used to say well you know if a kid get you know if a black kid gets roughed up by the cops, well, what was he doing? You know, the right automatically sided with the police. Nowadays, I think the right will be like, well, was the cop a good guy? Why, you know, why were they roughed up? I think that everybody's more suspicious of, you know, the institutions now. And I think COVID and the way that the left has behaved in positions of power lately. So I'm sorry I didn't cut you off. Well, I mean, this is more aligned with how humans have been throughout history, just suspicious of powers, suspicious of people and authority. And then we go back to the ancient times.

If there was a whole bunch of calamities happening, like they would be like, well, the gods must be mad at the king. That could be a common excuse. I mean, if you go back even to the founding of this nation, you read a lot of the papers in the 1800s, very hostile towards their political opponents. I mean, like the idea that like the right for a short time was like pro government. Yeah, I see that. But I think it's just going back to the way more aligning with how humans tend to be. We're just suspicious of anyone outside of our tribe. Everyone in our tribe is good. Everyone outside of the tribe is bad.

And so we're going to see more of that. And we had this brief moment, I think, where there was a little less of that. It'd be nice to sort of get back to that, but I don't think we're going to be there for decades. When you say brief – sorry. I was going to ask that question. When you say brief moment, when did you think that was? Well, I think like the 50s is really the abnormal time in american history so like the red scare are we talking like well i mean yeah that's a good point because the red scare caused people to start trusting the government more they're going to protect us from the communists very easily all we have to do is hide under our desks and the

nuclear bomb will miss us nonsense you know that kind of stuff and so i mean like that definitely sort of moved people in a direction but i think the more we just saw corruption i think it started with like watergate so just blissful ignorance for a period of time where not so much that it's yeah i guess that might be what i put it but it was like there was a bigger enemy out there i think a lot of what the u.s government does in a lot of ways is try to make boogeymen so they trust people will trust them you know like you know terrorists you guys got to trust us we'll keep terrorists away now is the thing it's not working i think that's actually why the internet has played such an important role now so we've had that discussion i think me and you have even probably talked about this more like even if there was you know god you know nobody wants another 9-11 but even if there

was the way information is disseminated now i don't think there would be the same type of coalescing around a nation the way that there was after 9-11. I don't think that that's possible. One, because of things like this, because people will automatically be suspicious, whether it involves our government, foreign governments, but there isn't going to be the rah-rah nationalism that united more people from both sides of the aisle back in, say, 2001, at the latest, and even that didn't last for all that long. I mean, I agree that it didn't last for all that long i mean i i agree that you're it didn't last

for all that long i just don't think we'll ever see something like that again in the age of the internet i feel like that the charity that was given was really wasted by the bush administration you know i mean i was a guy that was was you know very very much a uh you know republican kind of dude you know after well i mean in the in the late 90s and early aughts i was very much a uh you know republican kind of dude you know after well i mean in the in the late 90s and early aughts i was very much a republican and then when george bush squandered all of my uh my trust and and i was like okay well there's no good guys in dc and then i was you know i started looking into people like ron paul and and the libertarians and i started looking at the government as you know always you know you should always be at least to some degree suspicious.

And I do think that I think, you know, Brett's got a point. I don't know that we would have have the same kind of coalesce around the government, especially considering the way that the American people, you know, younger generations, they haven't been taught that America is a good place. They've been taught that America is a good place. They've been taught that America is a bad place. We've been taught that all of the fundamental principles that our country is supposed to have been founded on, we've been taught that they're all lies. Now, whether or not that's true, I think that there's probably a kernel of truth to it, and that's only because human beings are fallible um but generally i think the ideals that the country is founded on and the the the aspirations that we have for our country

are good and i think that the united states has been a a force for good in the world but i still think that there's multiple i think millennials and gen z feel less that way than i do what do you i think a lot of it actually has to do with the declining religiosity rates. You go back to the 90s, most people, whether blue or red, were Christian. But that was the core of their identity. I remember being in church and my parents were like,

oh, they're voting for that person. But we were all Christians. That's the declining religiosity, especially on the left. They've moved away from that. So now their core identity then moves to politics. And this is what sociologists have talked about. When you get rid of traditional religiosity is – especially on the left, they've moved away from that. So now their core identity then moves to politics, and this is what sociologists have talked about. When you get rid of traditional religiosity, it makes room for political religiosity to move in, and that becomes the new god, the new religion, and everything starts to revolve around that. So when left and right people are now fighting, it's not so much, hey, we'll see you on Sunday even though we disagree.

Now it's you're attacking our god. You're attacking our religion. It's going to much, hey, we'll see you on Sunday even though we disagree. Now it's you're attacking our god. You're attacking our religion. It's going to create more polarization. So this, as religiosity has been declining unfortunately, politics moves in to fill that gap. Everyone gets more tribal, less trustworthy, and of course sociological research does show Christianity correlates with less tribalism, less prejudice. I mean like – so I mean like what do you expect is going to happen? So you would see blue dog Democrats next to maybe a Republican at church on a Sunday. Oh, for sure. And it's so weird. So I had a boss that I worked with who was, she wasn't very active politically,

but she did at least pay attention a little bit. And they were, they were very big. They loved guns. They own guns. They went to church on Sunday and they were pro-union. And I was trying to, I had to try to explain or said, they don't support this anymore. Just the fact that you like firearms is something that if you were to try to be involved deeper within the party, you will be expelled for because it is one of their main selling points when they are trying to fundraise, whether it's anti-NRA, anything anti-weapon, especially with school shootings and things like that. And they hadn't yet realized because they weren't as politically active as some of us were just how easy it was to be expelled from the group because the tribalism was so heavy now. Yeah. I, you know, you, you mentioned the, the, the fact that we're less christian less religious and i mean i i as a a novice uh person who has limited experience to philosophy it still makes me think of nietzsche saying that god is dead and and the the average kind of angsty teenager thinks that that was some kind of triumphant statement and nietzsche was like this is going to be a horrible thing for human humanity and then we saw the horrors of the first half well the horrors of the 20th century where it was you

know first it was it was communism and nazism and the fight for which of those two um I mean I want to call them theologies because they both had a had a significant spiritual element even if you know the communists said that they weren't religious. They said they were atheists. They were state atheists. They weren't at all. They didn't behave that way and neither did the Nazis. So, well, I mean, historians kind of talk about them. There's a whole debate about it about. But I mean, a lot of them tend to say these are political religions. And as research shows, I mean, look at like things like Christian nationalism.

People are like this is Christianity's fault. Well, like the 2021 Stroop study shows that Christian nationalism actually manifests among the least churched individuals. And what happens? I mean it makes sense. If you're on the right and you start moving away from traditional religiosity, they keep a lot of the Christian symbols, but they reinterpret them into political ways. Now Christianity becomes a civilization we have to defend, not an actual religion. And Nazism has been described as a political religion in a lot of ways. We start moving away from traditional. We start worshiping the state or in terms of the Nazis, the Aryan race and that thing.

And what happens? Everything now starts to become more materialistic, more focused on this is our territory. This is our race we We have to defend. Tribalism will come up. Whereas if you have traditional Christianity, you have Paul saying there's neither Jew nor Greek, free nor slave, male nor female. You're all one in Christ. Like, yeah, that's going to be more actually inclusive or drawing more people in.

But when we move away from that, you take the foundation away. Chaos results. And, you know, G.K. Chesterton called it Christian ethics gone mad because you take some of the ethics you like, you detach it from its foundation, and it goes off into some wild extremes that just result in horror. I've heard someone describes communism and socialism as that. Exactly.

The ideas and the morality that's laid out in Christianity. I think it was – I forget the guy's name he's he's a uh british guy that does he's a historian that's i think he's a young guy too either way he he was describing that if you take the the morality that's laid out in christianity but take christ away and take god away you end up with something like communism was it tom holland yes i think it was yeah he's not a young guy, but- Is he not? Maybe- You're thinking of the Spider-Man actor. Oh, yes, okay, yes, that is.

I feel so bad for him. I interviewed him on my channel one time. He's a great, great guy. He wrote a great book called Dominion where his book is basically arguing Christianity has saturated the world. Yes, yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about. I didn't know the name of the book,

but I think I might've heard Ben Shapiro talking about it or something. But it does, it makes sense to me that the, because when you hear name of the book, but I and I think I might have been Shapiro talking about it or something. But it does. It makes sense to me that the because when you hear people on the left, they talk about morality and stuff. But without any kind of if you're an atheist, I find Nietzsche's argument that if there is no God, then man has to make his own morality. Right. Like the uber mesh mentality. Yeah. That that without without God to tell you what's right or wrong, and if we're all only here for an instant in the grand scheme of things,

in the universal time scale, if you're only a flash in the pan and you're going to die and your kids are going to die and no one's going to remember you, then it doesn't matter, really. And it leads to nihilism, truly. But I don't see why being quote unquote good would matter to someone that didn't have any kind of religion like they'll they'll say that they do they think that good matters that they say oh i don't need a god to tell me what's good and it's like well why and and and that's what

you see with with the whole, you know, the communism. It's like, well, you know, you want to be good to people and you want to take care of people. And it's like, well, if we're all going to die and you're only your life is actually only a spark in history of, you know, for an eternal history. Why does it matter to steel man them a little bit? I mean, they're not they're not going to say like, it's just great to be evil. I mean, they would argue that being good is its own reward. it's good to take care of your family it's good to have loved ones around you but they but it makes it makes it it makes it very easy for them to do some of the most evil things in history true and then but then you need to ask is like why are they doing those

good things uh well they want to provide for their family but i mean ultimately what the christian would argue is that's going to go back down to power, and this is also kind of what Nietzsche was going there. Eventually all that's left is trying to obtain power for you and your tribe or your family at that point, and that's what we see slowly come out. I mean if you are a traditional religious person like a Christian, God has all the power. You can't have it, and so the basis now becomes love for him and what he did for us and that kind of stuff. So love then becomes the central Christian message. God died for us. We love him.

He loves us. But if you take that away, what is left? Well, love is only useful as long as it brings me power or pleasure in some sense. Helping my family is only good if it brings me power or pleasure in some sense. So you get through the layers of what they're talking about. Yeah, they could argue with, I don't want to go out and rob banks. I want to be a good person. I want to provide for my family.

But then you just go one meta level lower. Like, why? What is the driving force? And it's going to be something like power, pleasure, or safety, as C.S. Lewis would have said. Yeah, I could go on with this conversation all night long. And I think that we'll probably come back to these kind of— We'll try to make sure we do. said yeah i could i could go on with this conversation all night long and i i i i think that we'll probably come back to these kind of uh try to make sure we do well these topics considering considering you here but i do want to jump to this story that is in relation to the uh

the plane crash the u.s transportation transportation security secretary announces new faa action to ensure safety in airspace um this comes on the heels of the crash in Washington, D.C. So it's the Department of Transportation is saying Washington, with the support of President Trump and in consultation with the Secretary of Defense, effective today, the Federal Aviation Administration will restrict helicopter traffic in the area over the Potomac River around Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport, DCA, and stretching to the Wilson Bridge. These areas include Memorial Bridge to South Capitol Street Bridge, excluding the Tidal Basin,

Haines Point to Wilson Bridge over the top of DCA. The restriction exempts helicopters entering this airspace for life-saving medical support, active law enforcement, active air defense, or presidential transport helicopter missions that must operate in this restricted area. Any helicopter operations outside these exemptions will be prohibited. These restrictions will remain in place until the NTSB completes its preliminary investigation of the air carrier incident, at which point it will be reviewed based on NTSB's report. Now, if you've ever been to that area, and I'm assuming there are a lot of people that are listeners that have never been to DCA. I've flown in and out of DCA multiple times.

I go down there to pick up my girlfriend when she flies in or out. Her family's in Florida, so she goes in and out of there a lot. If you look, you can see in this actual picture, I think the the Pentagon is very close to DCA and the Pentagon itself has regular flights of Blackhawks flying around all the time. I assume that that's, you know, generals flying from other air bases or from other from other you know military bases uh fort means not too far away that's up in where the nsa is is housed um maybe there are people from the from langley from the cia headquarters flying to the the the pentagon um so it's a very very busy area and it's not really a surprise that they're making

these kind of limitations. I guess what I am do find a little surprising is that with it being such a busy area and because they had, they're supposed to have two people on staff, one person for aircraft at regular planes and then one for helicopters. Um, what do you guys think you know what do you think of the fact that they didn't have people on now i know there's a lot of talk uh you know dei and stuff and i know that the more that i i hear about this after the accident that they were having significant problems actually staffing the people and they were if i if i understand

correctly they were turning people away based on their race do you think that that this kind of action is actually going to solve the problem and furthermore do you think that the trump administration with their efforts to undo the dei mess that we have in the government do you think that's going to prevent further accidents and further negative consequences from deiI policies in general. This looks more like they're trying to quell the fears of the public. Like, look, we're going to get rid of some helicopters so it's still safe. Because after this, I was like, I'm not flying a DCA for a while. That was freaking me out.

I'm like, I didn't know there were that many helicopters. So that's maybe what they're doing. And also maybe general safety, dude, with the whole helicopter hitting the airplane. And they said that it was supposed to be two people watching that and there was only one. I was like, is this because Trump just fired a bunch of people and they were short staffed? I do want to point out just because I don't want people to lose their minds. The last time there was an accident of this magnitude was 2009 and that airspace has been this busy for every single day since then and i don't know and the last time there was an accident it

wasn't this airspace it was the last time there was an accident in the united states so this is terrible this tragedy is horrible but i want people to to have a sober look or sober sober thought process when it comes to air travel and when it comes to this stuff we are not in a situation where planes are going to start falling out of the sky all the time and these policies do have ramifications but it's still the safest way to fly and you really don't need to be on edge just because you have to get into an airplane i just wanted to say i know that i'm i'm the throwing the wet blanket on the on the uh the conspiracy theory people here and

stuff but but it is important to remember this is an accident and there have been no accidents since 2009 this is exceedingly rare when there are accidents it is almost always multiple human failures planes don't just fall out of the sky. I say that as, you know, that plane looked like it fell out of the sky in Philadelphia. So maybe I'm eating crow about that. One of the things that really shocked me was they showed video of the actual, what the screens that the air traffic controllers are watching. And it looks like Atari 2600. No, no, not even 8-bit graphics like a 2600K graphics.

I don't know what they were. Crappy little an X and an L indicating an airplane. Or it was an F, I think, in a triangle. Come on. Like, you have people looking at these things. They update every second, and it shows it appearing in a new position. Like, dude, we need some top, like, high-tech monitoring systems that give you a warning if it shows that a craft is approaching another craft ahead of time. They're looking at like 30 year old technology.

I think that I saw the same screen that you're talking about. And above the two planes, they had red CA collision alarm. Right. think and and tell me what you think of this i think the reason why they go with very simple looking graphics is because the less information because there are so many planes right there's so much stuff going on i think that they go with with simplified graphics like that because it's to keep the actual only the most important information being fed to the the people that are watching because if there's too much stuff, you can get overwhelmed. Now, granted, I would absolutely agree that you have to be well-trained, and maybe that is a training issue, but what do you think of that, Ian? That's probably true. Like the whole,

it's a triangle to indicate an airplane, and I think it was an L or an F, an F to indicate the helicopter. You can see that. That's easy. I play Caves of Kud. It's a 2600-bit game where you get familiar with the symbols and what they mean, but give us a warning, like an audible... They have those. So I worked in a RapCon.

Look out! You've worked where? In a RapCon. So when I was in the Air Force many moons ago, 2004 was when I joined, I was assigned to be an air traffic controller, and I did horrible at it, so I didn't continue it.

But yeah, the reason why the technology is so old is because, keep it simple, stupid, is the – not you, but you get the idea. It's – complicated computers can fail or crash easier. This stuff has been working. It's analog. It's going to last. So it's been working for so long, they're going to keep it. And so there are things that start to warn when planes get close. Like it does come up on the screen.

I remember that. They did say that there were multiple indications that there was – There's going to be indications on the plane. There's going to be indications of the controllers. And the controllers can only warn at the end of the day. I heard that they said the helicopter was flying too high. From what I saw. That's what I saw, the helicopter was flying too high.

Specifically to keep it out of the flight path of a plane. was flying too high from what i from what i saw that's what i saw the helicopter i mean specifically to keep it out of the flight path of a of a plane yeah well the traffic controllers have a two dimensional screen they're looking at they don't see how high or low the things are the numbers will indicate elevation so they've got a they've got to look away from the the plane on the map to see a number up top to indicate its altitude like yo give me a three-dimensional imagery thing to look at they should have a screen where it actually shows that the elevation with the symbol because i remember again when i was in the rap con you would see the planes and it would indicate 5 000 feet or 6 000 and you would

say things like descend and maintain 5 000 and also the elevation or the the altitude indicates uh direction right if you're if you're at certain altitudes, you are for east-west, certain altitudes are for north. And I'm just like throwing it out there. It's not exactly, but if you're at one altitude, that altitude means you're supposed to be heading on one direction. If you're at a lower altitude or a higher altitude, that altitude is for a different direction. So they actually, they're stacking the altitude altitude not only is telling you how high you are but if you're properly if you're paying attention and flying properly the altitude will also indicate what direction you should be going so this thing was at the wrong altitude so it indicated to the controller they were flying in a different direction it was coming in so as as

what you i think when they say they're on approach that means that they're going to be going through but when you know how it takes like 20 minutes to get the out of like when you're at altitude and they're like they're going to start descending. They don't just go down. They go down, down, down. It's like they're taking steps down. And then once they get close enough, then they say they're I think on approach means you can actually begin descending and heading towards the runway. And I'm a layman. I don't know.

I'm just telling you like the things that I've heard. But you would probably be able to tell better than I would. So many is like 20 years ago. But heard, but you would probably be able to tell better than I would. So many is like 20 years ago. But yeah, you would they would slowly descend and you would see the elevation going down. But again, if there's only one guy in there working and he's looking at multiple screens, he's got multiple planes. What I remember from seeing on X is that he did send a warning like, did you see those? And that's all he can do at that point is, hey, I warn you. And then he probably was looking at something else. And then, bam. And the problem is to me is like especially given how close this is to the inauguration and all of the Trump's that all of the policies that Trump is now implementing through executive orders is that DEI is a very big discussion that's going on right now. And this is not new to just this incident. I mean, over the last year, depending on how often you are on X or anything like that, there is a discussion where people talk about DE dei specifically as it relates to flights and plane

crashes so in something like you know whether it's like people getting on airplanes and stuff like this so this has unlocked a lot of fear that people have regarding those things so like i said we were watching that crash earlier in a lot of the discussion that was going on in the live chat when whether it was fox news covering this is people asking if this is something related to policy that hindered good hiring practices. And that's not an unreasonable thing for people to be afraid of, even if they haven't really looked for evidence of it in a particular case. What it does is it indicates that when somebody has that the first thing on their mind, it means that that's something that's in the consciousness of the public. Yeah. And to Brett's point about this being an ongoing conversation, even though these are the first actual accidents that have happened in a long time, if you watch like these kind of like watch like air traffic controller, X accounts and stuff much that is because of, you know, errors in the tower, errors with the pilots, you know, I, and I don't know that we can quantify it either.

You know, how do you guys feel about integrating artificial intelligence into the, into the control itself? So, well, I mean, machine saying, look out, like maybe there's still a dude sitting there, but on top of that, you have different, if a guy has to get up and go take a piss there's still an artificial intelligence or like nine of them all watching the monitor all warning crews and and pilots prepare look you know incoming look out this that and like fail again you might be a more of an expert on this than i am but isn't isn't like isn't autopilot kind of what that does? Most planes have instruments that they can see the radar on the plane, and they'll see, oh, yeah, there's one coming this way. This is just an extremely rare occurrence. So the pilots can see their own radar.

They also can – so they have IFR and VFR. They can – visual flight rules versus instrumental flight rules. So they have their own instruments, and they have air traffic controllers also telling them about stuff. So there's all sorts of and, you know, if they do get close, something does start to beep. So remember that the Blackhawk was dark, meaning it wasn't showing up on radar. No transponder, right? So this is all on the government. This is fully to blame Department of Defense.

I mean, we they owe the families a lifetime of servitude. They need to repay these people. Like this is a government basically assault, an unintentional assault on the civilianry. I don't know if I would go that far because the way that I've heard some of it described is they were talking to the pilot of the Black Hawk and they were saying stay behind the regional jet. But there was a regional jet that was taking off as well as one coming in and so if I understand correctly the pilot and the helicopter I'm sorry the tower and the helicopter pilot were communicating and he said stay they were telling stay behind the regional jet and it seems like again I'm not

I'm not saying that I have inside knowledge or whatever but it seems like he the pilot of the of the blackhawk thought he was talking about the plane that was taking off and he was behind it and actually the tower was talking about the plane that was coming in because they were both small the same type or a similar type of regional jet they were both not big jumbo jets it wasn't like a 747 coming in or a 737. They were both smaller jets. And the pilot of the Black Hawk thought that he was talking about another one. Again, this is just what I heard. I didn't actually look into it and stuff. So I don't think that, I guess what I'm saying is that kind of strong language about an attack and stuff.

This is people making mistakes. And I don't, and whereas I'm 100% on board, the government, I mean, the government can just print money out of nowhere. So yeah, pay the pay all the families. Absolutely. There's no there's no problem, in my opinion, with with that. But I do think that I don't think that this was a there was any malice involved. And I don't think that it was any kind of I think it was just, you know, human error and stuff like this does happen as tragic as yeah unintentional assault i use the word unintentional for sure but like if a soldier unintentionally drops a grenade into a foxhole and kills nine other soldiers you still court-martial the guy i mean it doesn't matter if he intended to do it or not no the pilot's dead so but who who the controller that told him to stay behind drag jet number one controller's not in the military and the air traffic controller controller from what i can see did his his job. He did warn. If it wasn't understood properly, it's not on him. I mean, it would be on him if he did not give any warnings. But from what I can see from the audio, yeah, he did give warnings.

It just may have just not been understood properly. Yeah. I guess it's just this like primal urge to lash out and blame someone is still resonating inside of me. I mean, that goes back to human nature. It's just you know why is what go back to the ancient times why is the why is it not rain well we need to probably kill this steve because steve forgot to make a sacrifice to the temple the other day it's like we just want to blame someone to fix the solution what you're feeling is perfectly natural and that's actually why like you asked at the beginning you said you you listed what they're what the government plans to do.

And you asked, like, is that even necessary in this case? And that's because people have the primal urge to blame someone. So the government has to be seen doing something when something like this happens, even if there isn't necessarily known whether it's going to actually be effective or not. Yeah. You know, I mean, you know, you can crucify the person that's the air traffic controller, but it doesn't mean that it's going to. And I mean, figuratively, but it doesn't mean that it's going to prevent the net, you know, the next issue. I think that sober approach to figuring out why it happened and doing more to staff these places. Maybe you take the government out. maybe they should be all privatized this is an

argument that can be made but uh um but yeah i don't think that uh that an emotional emotional attack on the on the guy that's running the or the person running the the air traffic the air traffic controller is a good idea but we're gonna jump to this next story here uh intern u.s attorney fires more than two dozen january 6 prosecutors in dc the trump administration dismisses former capital riot prosecutors recently hired to permanent positions and still under probation probationary period um this in my opinion is good um but we're going to go ahead and read on the washington post is reporting interim u.s attorney ed martin on friday announced the dismissal of roughly 30 federal prosecutors who worked on capital riot ahead and read on. The Washington Post is reporting interim U.S. attorney Ed Martin on Friday announced

the dismissal of roughly 30 federal prosecutors who worked on Capitol riot cases in the Washington in the Washington, D.C. office over the past four years. Two people familiar with the matter said Friday the employees were hired to permanent career positions after serving under special or short-term status as the office surged to manage nearly 1,600 prosecutions after the January 6, 2021 attack on the Capitol. The prosecutors remained under probationary status, which allowed the firings without recourse under Justice Department policy, the people said. So today on the culture war, we had four people that were, three people that were pardoned,

and one person whose sentence was commuted. It was the QAnon shaman. I forget the guy. I don't want to misrep, or I don't want to get the name wrong. Shout out to Jacob Chansley, the QAnon shaman. I love the man. Jacob was great. We had Nick Ox, who was a proud boy,

Stuart Rhodes, Jay Johnson, and Jacob Chansley. So Jay Johnson was actually, he was on Bob's Burgers for a while. And he basically comes from Hollywood and he got wrapped up. And he to me, it seems like he was the one that was most likely to have been just in the wrong place at the wrong time. The the it was Stuart was the guy from Oath Keepers. And he was there, the leader of the Oath Keeper. Yeah. And he was there. He's the one who had his sent his sentence commuted. But he's still considered guilty of the crimes.

He I think he was he was going to get like 20 years or a long, long time. But they were all saying, look, you know, the prosecutors essentially were doing things that were illegal. They were not it was not a fair. None of them felt like they had a fair trial. The the entire jury was all out of D.C. They felt like if those trials were done held anywhere other than D.C., they would have gotten a fair trial. The judge was was biased. The judge was the judges were all biased um you know jacob chansley he if i understand correctly he didn't do anything violent right and there's plenty of video of jake you can't miss the guy on january 6th you know i mean the q anon shaman went on to you know people were actually um jay had worn a q anon shaman uh halloween costume after it happened the year

like you know that the following halloween and that was part of the reason why he got such a a bad job bad uh outcome with the with the court they were like you can't be sorry if you're dressed like that you think it's a joke i mean never mind the guy's a comedian right he's he's he's voicing he's a voice actor and a comedian for bob's burgers and stuff um but you know i mean i understand why not that i agree but i understand why the oath keepers got looked at the way they did why the proud boys got looked at the way they did and the way why why jacob was looked at the way he did but when it comes to jay, I mean, he was treated really, really badly for like no reason.

And that's, my understanding is, out of all of the people that were arrested, all these guys did some time in, or no, Jay didn't, but all the other guys did some time in solitary confinement. You know, some of them did long stints in solitary confinement,

which is like torture, you know? I mean, solitary long stints in solitary confinement, which is like torture. You know, I mean, solitary confinement is where the worst of the worst go. The people that are violent to other inmates, people that are a threat to other inmates, people that are a threat to themselves. And none of these guys were that, you know, even even even if you have a distaste for the Proud Boys, you know, Nick was not that guy he was he was there literally doing uh he was just being a journalist right he was i think it was uh i forget the name of his group it was something something about something the week like i don't know it might have been murder the media or something like that so it was it was it wasn't helping his case the name wasn't helping his case yeah but um but he was there he was he wasn't involved in any of the the fights with police or Yeah. So these prosecutors were hired specifically to handle these cases

and were kept on in a probationary phase. That's why they're not, that's why they're allowed to be fired without any sort of final hearings or anything? Okay. And, you know, I don't know what their, you know, what their history was leading up to this. But, you know, if these guys were hired specifically to prosecute j6 people i imagine that the the the argument that the or the the directive that they got was look

these people are guilty we all know these people are guilty and essentially the court cases the the actual trials are kind of just for show that's the way kangaroo court yeah it essentially that's the way that it sounds like especially when when you know when when they articulate it and again i i i understand there are people that were here this morning that a person that is not sympathetic to the j6ers at all they wouldn't be sympathetic to their plights except for like i said you know jay johnson Johnson, he was, he was, you know, he was there. He felt like it was a boring day.

He felt, he said that he felt like there wasn't much going on. It was mostly people just milling about, um, until the, the tear gas started. And then he was trying to get out of there. But I, I'm, I, I don't remember if I don't recall if he actually went into the, the, um, the Capitol or not. But the way they described the people that were in the Capitol, you know, there was there was no violence in the Capitol. And upon hearing that, it did make me think, you know, I really didn't see any of the closed caption footage where there was fighting inside. All of the fighting that I saw with police was outside.

There's that Ashley Babbitt situation inside. Yes. They're trying to climb over a window to get into the inner inner sanctum or whatever. Yeah. Broke a window. Yeah. And then the cops opened fire and broken window. That was one shot.

And that wasn't, you know, that wasn't attacking police. She was trying to climb through a window. Now, granted, she was trying to go somewhere she shouldn't have been. She I think, you know, somebody broke the window before they tried to climb through. Well, yeah, I mean, it was a broken window that she was trying to climb through and on the other side there were still congress people so that's the that was the justification for for opening fire um i think that he shouldn't have but uh but that's what the story would be um but there was no fighting with police inside you know like so i mean i do think that it's it's uh it's a good thing that these people are fired.

Yes. What do you guys— You know, less government is never going to be—less people employed by the government will never be a bad thing, ever. Unless they're air traffic controllers. Air traffic controllers could be done privately. I think that that's probably better. Less lawyers, never a bad thing. Yeah.

I mean, do you have a take on it? I mean, I will admit I am very, very behind on a lot of this stuff here. I think this is just really just I'd be more interested in the actual symptoms of this. This is just us. I think a lot of people on the left wanted this to happen to the to the J6ers. They were angry. They feel like they won the 2020 election. And then when they saw this, the way the media blew out of proportion, they wanted justice and they wanted these people to pay because they keep calling it an insurrection, insurrection. They were trying to destroy our democracy. And so it just enabled the people in power to really just throw

the books at them in every way they can. Because it's as i was talking about earlier this tribalism stuff just comes up and with declining religiosity your political side becomes the new god these insurrectionists in the eyes of people on the left were going after heretics blasphemers their heretics their blasphemers they were going after their victory in their religious their political religiosity and that was considered sacrilegious do you remember where you were and and the the your your own personal context on january 6th what like what what were you doing do you remember hearing about it reading a book in my home in tucson just minding my own business and then i saw the news i was like you know what made me think of is like well yeah a lot of leftists were rioting in cities around the country. Now the right is just doing it. Okay. Well, yeah, they're angry that Trump didn't win. I mean, this is what

they're going to do. And then I just sort of went back to reading and then I just, I saw it constantly getting blown out of proportion. Now, again, I'm a layman in this. This is really not an area I've studied a lot, but it just seemed like, I was like, does this really need to be dragged on and on? We're going back to j6 like it's pearl harbor for crying out loud and it didn't really seem like it was that big a deal and it's just an average american who's more interested in other topics i was like can we just move on i'd much rather talk about inflation or if biden is really there and what's going to happen in the midterms but no everyone's go back to j6 and i feel like a lot of average americans were just over it in a few months and they were sort of mad at a lot of i mean i heard from people

on the left it said can we just move on but only the most politically indoctrinated were the ones that were the most affected by this story i want i'm interested in actually hearing both of your takes on that like where were you guys uh did you work here were you it was before i worked here okay what about you yeah i worked we had actually talked about maybe going down on like the fourth we were like should we go down and do a show from dc on the sixth and then we were like no no sounds like a bad idea just doesn't seem like a good vibe right now so we we ended up we were just home it was funny so for me um look even doing this show i'm not the most political person certainly most of my social media you wouldn't see that and i had friends or what used to be friends who reached

out to me and wrote very long messages about the evils of this event even though i had not said anything about it nor did i really care about it in any way shape or form i was out skating when this happened and had no idea what was going on until I got home that day and lost friends over this event where I had to read like 12 page diatribes about why I was a bad person because I did not, I guess, call this out despite the fact that I had nothing to do with it nor talk to them at all about my political beliefs. I voted for someone. They certainly didn't hear that from me, so they wouldn't have noted anyways. But for the people who are the most politically indoctrinated, the lack of speaking is sometimes worse because they believe that silence is violence and they will take anything you don't say as a crime as well. And that was probably one of the bigger awakenings for me at that moment, that it's not just going to affect other people. It's also possibly going to affect you as well. And it was shocking to me because look, this is also one of those cases where you have to do a ton of research.

If you want to refute them and talk about it as well. Like if I have to talk to them now and point them out and say, when you talk about how many police officers died on January 6th and you don't acknowledge that they were suicides after the fact. And one of them was zero. I said that there was zero on January 6th. I said, I don't have any interest in debating this with you.

I don't care. To me, whatever my friends believe politically never mattered to me. It's never been an issue for me to have friends on all sides of the aisle. I still consider myself, for the most part, a fairly liberal person. And it just, it never mattered to me.

And to see people who probably agree with me on a fair amount of things still end 20 year friendships over something like this that had neither nothing to do with them. They weren't there, had nothing to do with me. I wasn't there. This was, I guess, maybe post covid as another, you know, issue for, you know, there was there was covid. There was George Floyd. And then there was this and there was all of these events that primed the American people to just start hating each other. And certainly, I guess maybe it's like a game of whack-a-mole.

Eventually, one of them was going to get to me despite the fact that I didn't have anything to say about any of it. And that's sad. It really is. It goes back to that religious fervor thing. Silence is violence. If you don't participate in the rain dance, the gods are going to be mad, and they're not going to send rain. It's a similar psychological phenomenon where you have to participate. I mean, when St. Augustine was around, a lot of the pagans were blaming the collapse of the Western Roman Empire on Christianity because the gods are now mad.

And he wrote City of God to refute that and say, that's just not the way the world works. So the same kind of stuff is happening. It's just carried on into new modern fervor, I guess. I had to point out, I said, look, did you care when people entered the chambers when Brett Kavanaugh was being confirmed? You don't know about that here. Let me tell you about what was going on when Brett Kavanaugh was going to be confirmed because there was plenty of people. And this happens in local governments all the time, especially when leftists and leftist groups dislike something

that's going on in the government. They feel emboldened to be able to protest because they understand that the legacy media will never frame them in the way that the legacy media framed the, you know, Donald Trump supporters when this happens. So it emboldens them to go out and continue to act that way because they know they're not going to face any repercussions for it. Yeah. We were talking about that this morning and that was kind of everyone's sense that like, especially again, I keep referring to Jay because Jay was the kind of the most normie guy that kind of got swept up in it. Like everyone else you know politically active i mean even the q anon shaman um he jacob he was he's very politically active very politically aware um shares a lot of

uh the sentiments about you know about what the left is doing in the united states and stuff and and jay was you know very much an la normie and when this stuff, he was kind of shocked because he went from being a dude that would get parts and get jobs. And after that, all of his work dried up. He lost his job. His agent fired him, you know, or, you know, quit on him and stuff. And that as someone that comes from the music industry, I didn't experience that same thing because I was already persona non grata you know almost seven eight years prior to this um because I was one of the people that would say no it's important that we we have free speech the it's important that we we are able to you know we should listen to people like Milo Yiannopoulos

and Ben Shapiro talk because even if you don't like them you know that what they say might you know inspire a good dialogue and the response from people in the music industry was like no we should punch nazis and it's like i'm surprised people that were friends that i was friends with that i would have assumed were liberals right they would have probably called me a libertarian maybe a conservative libertarian and i would have called them liberals and then these people were saying no we, we should punch Nazis like Milo and punch Nazis like Ben Shapiro. And I'm like, Ben Shapiro is Jewish. Like this, this is not this doesn't make sense to me.

And so I outed myself very early when woke came around as someone that wasn't going to play along. And so that there was a lot of that. I started losing friends long before, you know, the January 6th stuff. But I understood what he was going through because he was just like, oh, this all was dropped in my lap. And for some reason, now everyone looks at me like I'm persona non grata. And I was even getting as someone that everyone knew, you know, I've been I was on Twitter just memeing the whole thing all day long. I was sharing the Mars attacks meme where the old lady stands up. Hey, they blew up the Capitol. And I'm sending that meme out and laughing about it and making jokes about the riot because it was also my sense that we had just gone through a year of violence.

Night after night after night after night. Protests and kenosha and you know there was all the stuff that happened in dc and the may 29th attack on the white house and all that stuff and so for for my estimation it was like oh just another another riot that happens you know when donald trump was elected there was riots they burnt that guy's limo you know they were smashing up dc and so i didn't get the sense that this was some big deal. But some of the people that I knew that I'm not going to name them, but they were, you know, sending very accusatory tweets. Where were you, Phil? I'm like, I was in New Hampshire. I'm tweeting from my office. And they're like, well, do you think it was okay and i'm like well i mean it wasn't it wasn't okay but neither was all the other riots like this is it was it was just a riot like and as far as i was concerned there was never a time where where where pence was actually going to do what what the the few trump supporters that were hoping he would not certify. There was never a time that was going to happen. It was absolutely ridiculous from as soon as the idea was,

was presented that maybe it was an insurrection that maybe Donald Trump was trying to take the presidency. I was like, there is no way on earth that any other outcome is going to happen. Aside from Joe Biden will be the president. He will get, you know, they will, they will confirm that all the votes are there.

There is no world in which that doesn't happen. And to even present the idea is so ridiculous that I can't take you serious. And then that's what the Democrats did with the whole, like, at first it was, I was thinking it was a riot. It's like an insurrection and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Again, I thought the same thing. It was a riot. And yeah, they definitely went way overboard but then i think the response was you know it

definitely seemed from my layman perspective it went overboard in response it just got everyone was throwing gasoline on this situation they just made it worse and it's like we're well past the days when we can sort of come together you You look at how the Civil War ended. I mean the North had the South defeated, and they were like we need to work on unity. We need to work on getting past this. Why can't we return to those days where, yeah, we're humans. We make mistakes. We've done bad things on both sides, but we need to work on unity and try to forgive.

I've just seen none of that from either the left or the right over the past four, eight years, even. I mean, it's just, everyone's just throwing gasoline on it instead of trying to look for national unity. I mean, isn't a big part of that because the majority of the fighting that's happening is being done digitally and it's very easy to other a person when you're arguing with an avatar rather than the actual humanity of a person right in front of you. Oh, absolutely. You're behind a screen. You're safe in your room. You probably don't even have any pants on, and you can say whatever you want. But that's just – I mean, honestly, social media is proving one of the main Christian doctrines called total depravity true. We tend – we put on these nice faces when we're in front of people.

But, I mean, when you're behind that screen, the real you does come out in a lot of ways, and it is horrifying. I mean, I remember Michael Ruse, who is an atheist, said, like, yeah, total depravity, that's the one thing the Christians definitely got right. You just look at human nature. The social contract is what actually keeps society together. In a lot of ways, yeah. And it's, you know, facial, when we see each other's faces, we do have more empathy for each other because, you know, we are a tribal species. We have to work together. And when you see someone else making facial expressions,

you do relate better. When you're behind a screen, you don't see that. That's when the dark, selfish nature does start to come out. I've been pretty good at holding that back. Real quick, Ian, that's exactly why Tim has people come to the studio and we don't do Zoom calls and stuff. Sorry, go ahead. I've been good about holding back the vitriol via text firstly, because there's no

tone you don't get. If I'm being slightly sarcastic, you may not see why I'm saying it. So I haven't been deriding people in text anymore for the last 10 years. Maybe on video, maybe I'll go on, but even then it's behind. But when I'm gaming, if I'm playing an online game, sometimes anger, if the guy, if the pickup game, it's like a five on five and one of my teammates just is terrible. I'll find myself seeing some pretty horrible stuff to him. And then I think later, like that was could have been a nine year old, 12 year old. And I just ruined his fucking the next 20 years of his life because I made him question his own humanity. And like, is he really a good person?

Does he have a good does he not have a father in the house? Like and I'll just like go with these sometimes, and I'm like, I gotta stop that hate from coming out of me in those moments when it's the easiest. You gotta, I don't know, man, I don't know, but it's in me. It's obviously in me if it comes out like that. Yeah, it's us humans. I mean, like, let's, you go back, you study human history, like before the rise of Christianity. I mean, we are evil. I mean, like, you would attack a you study human history, like before the rise of Christianity. I mean, we are evil. I mean, like you would attack a town and you'd send the soldiers. You're not paying them.

They're getting plunder. So when you attack a city and you actually win, the women, the children, they become your slaves. You can do what you want with them. Yes, the children, too. You get the plunder. That's how you paid your soldiers. And that was human nature for the longest time until I mean, like as Tom Holland and others have talked about, you know, like for example, if you read like the book, like Christian Virtue Ethics or When Children Became

People by O.M. Bakke. I mean, like Christianity has really added something into the mix that has really calmed us down and given us a far better view of ethics. Human rights comes out of the Christian tradition. Abolition comes out. And this idea that if we're going to attack like Iraq, we're not going to send our soldiers into plunder. The Romans would have looked at us like we were stupid. Why would you not plunder Iraq? But yeah, we don't know how far we've come.

And it's really unfortunate. We still got a long way to go. But I mean, like you said, in the ancient world, it will make the hair on the back of your neck stand up why don't you expand on that a little bit because i think that people people are especially young people today if you again i i think we we touched on it a little bit earlier young people today really look at the united states and and western society they look at it as this total evil because it engaged in slavery, right? And it might be – and part of me thinks that it's just like I'm mad at dad. But yeah, like the idea that Western society is unique and this time of peace that we're living in is anomalous. It is. is unique. And this time of peace that we're living in is anomalous. And I think that it would

do well to teach kids how reality is. And reality is brutal and life is full of pain. It's short. Death is imminent for everybody. And the fact that you have any peace at all in your entire life is actually the rare, you know, wonderful, fortunate thing that Western society in particular has provided for the world. Well, if you go back to the ancient world, just look at how they treated children. I mean, infanticide was rampant. There's like a letter from one Egyptian father, husband to his wife said, by the way, if it's a girl, just kill it. Because that was normal in the ancient world to just commit infanticide through exposure,

especially deformed infants or weak children, like Seneca talks about that. And so like, yeah, we can look back at like surveys of like ancient families and like only like a six out of like 600. Owen Bakke talks about this in his book When Children Became People. Only six out of 600 had more than one girl in the family. Why? Well, because infanticide was rampant and boys were more prized because they could take care of the family. They would be – they're first-class citizens and girls were second-class citizens. And so they did that and they'd leave kids out on the countryside to have them exposed.

Now, a lot of them survived. So they could be raised as slaves or in brothels i mean children to the ancient greeks and romans were used for sexual purposes what happens the christians come on the scene and john martins talks about this in his chapter uh children in late or uh yeah children in late ancient christianity christians invented a whole new word to describe it because they refused to use the term child lover they invented a new word called child corruptor. That's a rhetorical to say, like, you can't be doing this. And so they really pushed ethics forward. Children need to be protected. They invented. When did that idea like what was the spawn of that idea? Because here again, we grew up steeped in Christianity and to us,, the idea of, you know, of abusing a child like that,

we think of it as abuse. And it makes a gut reaction in most people. And the people that don't have that gut reaction, they are looked at and they are treated as some of the most horrible monsters that, you know, I mean, you put a pedophile into prison and word gets out and they're going to end up dead. And that's in a prison with some of the worst, most violent people our society produces.

So how did that—what was the genesis of that? Judeo-Christian tradition, especially Jesus saying, you know, let the little ones come to me. Anyone who causes one of these little ones to sin, let a millstone be tied around their neck and cast into the sea. That kind of language. I mean, really, the Jews prior to the Christians were preaching to protect children. Then the Christians come on and they really expanded it, working on what Jesus and Paul taught. We know that the early Christians were including children and they were baptizing them, including them in communion. They were full members of the community. The Romans and the Greek looked at them as like becoming adults, like they weren't full adults yet, or they weren't full people yet. You know, Aristotle talks about them being like

less rational along with barbarians, women, and slaves. There was a hierarchy, and Christians come on the scene, they go, no, everyone here is the image of God, and they should have specific rights. That's something that also develops out of the Christian tradition. And they slowly start to change the culture. It took a while for sure. I mean, you still had infanticide in the Middle Ages because even though the church was condemning it, it took a while to saturate the culture that Tom Holland talks about. But the reason why we think these kinds of things, that slavery is wrong, that human rights exist, that humanity has intrinsic value and that children should be cared for, this comes out of the Christian tradition. In the ancient world, they were beat routinely. They were turned into sex slaves as children,

boys and girls. It's, again, horrifying to read. And again, slavery was just the norm. No one ever questioned the idea that slavery should be abolished until the Christians came on the scene. The first one to say slavery should be abolished was Gregory of Nyssa, working on what he was learning in the scriptures and reading Paul in Genesis. And that slowly began to change. When was that? What was that? When was that? I believe it was in the 300s as Gregory of Nyssa was around.

Wow. Yeah. Okay. And the wider culture did ignore him for a while, but you start to see throughout the Christian tradition, them slowly moving to end slavery that by the time you get to like St. Anselm, like it's sort of getting abolished from Europe in a lot of places.

And so then the Europeans later on going, well, we're not allowed to enslave Christians. We know that's wrong. Let's go elsewhere to enslave people. And that's how you get the transatlantic slave trade. And then the funny thing is, is if you read about the transatlantic slave trade, a lot of the plantation owners were trying to keep their slaves away from missionaries because the missionaries come in, they're going to evangelize these slaves and turn them in to Christians and then we'll have to free them.

And so there was like, you know, a lot of the Quakers were like being like oppressed in the Sugar Islands because they were trying to evangelize and like, no, you can't do that because we need slaves. It's human nature has always been butting up against the Christian tradition and Christian tradition is trying to move humanity slowly but surely in a much better direction. You can read about that in Katherine Gerbner's book, Christian Slavery. It's a very interesting history of the Sugar Island stuff. Did the Jews take slaves in the early days? They did, and then early, sometime in the first millennium, a lot of the popes started to outlaw Jews owning Christians as slaves, and then they

started outlawing Muslims, or Christians being sold to Muslims. And then you saw slow reforms happening, like slowly they're like, okay, no more slavery here, but we'll allow it here still. So yeah, you saw, I think one of the popes in one of the six or seven hundreds said no more Jews owning slaves and no more owning. And then one pope came along and he checked, attacked the Venetian slave trade. He said no more selling slaves. By the way, he bought all the slaves and then freed them. And then even Isabella of Spain did some horrible things, but she also outlawed enslaving Native Americans unless they were hostile or cannibals.

So again, we saw slow reforms moving us by the time the abolitionist movement comes along. Yeah, it was deeped in this Christian tradition that there's something wrong here. And you can see it in the scriptures. Like go to like Ephesians 6 where Paul says – everyone quotes that. Slave masters or slaves obey your masters. But no one quotes right after that in Ephesians 6 where Paul says, and masters do likewise to your slaves. So he doesn't outright say slavery should be wrong, but he undercuts any sort of like reason for slavery to exist. If masters need to, you know, do exactly to their slaves as slaves doing, there's no, there's no institution of slavery at that point. So the Christian values slowly

start to undercut it. And this is why Tom Holland says Christianity was like a depth charge. It took a while for these, these explosions to go off and spread. At the end of the 1800s, we had what was called these, the men who made America, the robber barons, Vanderbilt, Carnegie, Rockefeller. And they basically, I don't know if they particularly, but they would have like underpaid workers and they would pay them in script sometimes, like company currency. And they could only buy products. They basically created a slave class of workers. They weren't called slaves because they were getting paid something. Right. created a slave class of workers they weren't called slaves because they were getting paid something right but what like what was that kind of like because that was like post-slavery slavery

had already become illegal but is it now like do people just kind of justify slavery like if we're going to pay them something like the guys digging cobalt out of the sub-saharan african mines or wherever they're with their bare hands like breathing in the toxic fumes and And we're like, that's fine because they're getting paid something. Yeah, we try to justify it like that. I mean, but Robert Fogel wrote a great book called like The Fourth Great Awakening, where he just talks about how in America there's been not one, two, but four awakenings. And the Third Great Awakening was addressing what you were talking about, this idea that it's kind of like slavery, but we're not calling it.

We need more social reform to fix this kind of stuff. So there was a lot of push in the Third Great Awakening for the social gospel to go out and try to fight that kind of stuff, and child labor, and that kind of stuff, because we as humans just tend to try to act in selfish ways where it's all about us. What sort of money can I get? What sort of greed can I get for me? And I don't really care who I press and I'll justify it whatever way I can. That's unfortunately human nature that once again is constantly fighting with the gospel. So I want to jump back to one of some of the stuff that we were talking about earlier when it comes to the way the left had been behaving leading up to January 6 6th benny johnson has this uh tweet uh breaking hakeem jeffries just called for violence against the president against president trump's

agenda pushing for fighting in the streets we are going to fight legislatively we're going to fight it in the courts and we're going to fight it in the streets let's listen we are going to fight it legislatively we are going to fight it in the courts and we're going to fight it in the streets we are going to fight it in the courts. We're going to fight it in the streets. We are going to fight it. So I don't think that there's any ambiguity in that, like there's there's nothing ambiguous about that. And if it were again, this is the the intended double standard. But if it were any Republican saying that the, the reaction would be, you know,

absolute, they would be apoplectic. They criticized fight, fight, fight after he was almost assassinated. Yeah. And making, trying to make it as if Trump wasn't the victim of the attack,

but the victim, Trump was looking to victimize people. And yet here's the Democrats, you know, Hakeem Jeffries, who I don't think he's the the the leader of the House Democrats. I'm not sure. Was it you that were saying you think he's considered the future of the party? No, that's Ricky Torres. OK, Torres okay. Ricky Torres, who's significantly more moderate than, at least when, at least in, like he gets away from the whole woke stuff. I mean, we see this, like how often does Maxine Waters speak

where she says something that's inflammatory? Every time. Literally every time she opens her mouth. And that's the back and forth you have to be willing to have with people whenever they want to call out what they consider to be political violence or political posturing is that they consider it to be political violence from one side. But from the other side, it's to be taken as some type of avant garde off the cuff response that doesn't actually mean what you think it means.

They're telling you to not believe what you see with your own line. And Hakeem Jeffries is the leader of the of the he's the minority leader of the House of Representatives. So, you know, he's in a position of authority. Was he taking questions there? I don't know. It would be interesting to know if somebody there, you know, if there was a journalist who actually wanted to ask a question like, sir, could you quantify what you mean by it? Like, I get what you say legislatively. I get what you're saying.

What do you mean by fight it in the streets? Yeah, I honestly I mean, I wish that, you know, I were influential enough where I could make phone calls to other outlets and other news outlets and be like, right, and doesn't try to bring the same kind of consequences on the left as would be brought on the right, and if we don't make a stink about it, then it's going to continue. I mean, I would love to see, I would love to hear Donald Trump, you know, make a statement about this. What did you mean by this? Yeah, what exactly do you mean by this?

Because, you know, as the minority leader of the house of representatives, like you're the top dog for the Democrats in the house. And granted the house is kind of where the clown show happens, right? The Senate's kind of the, is more the serious body and the house, you get people doing a little more wacky stuff.

Hey, they're both clown shows. Let's it's the government. Okay. The, the, the Senate thinks of themselves as the's the government okay the the the senate thinks of themselves as the serious ones whereas the the the house doesn't think of themselves as

so serious because they're like circus ole fair enough like a sophisticated clown yeah right yeah but i mean i do think that it you know it's worth it would be worth you know having the right push on these things because until it's made clear that this is unacceptable, you're only going to get more of it. I would say at some point, though, someone needs to take the high road. And I totally call out the double standard here, because Trump definitely said fight, fight, fight after, and people in the media tried to misinterpret that. I just really think at some point it'd be

really good to see one side go you're this is this is we don't want to play the game you're playing so this is obviously just rhetoric what can you do the same for us i republicans do that all the time and it never works i think that not you know not not looking to the doj to bring charges is uh is actually taking the high road because that's the kind of response that you get from the Democrats. They go straight to lawfare. Like anything – honestly, at this point, anything that the Republicans do that is short of actually using the levers of government power to attack their political opponents is the measured response. Someone who's, again, just not really talk about politics that lot. If I would see like Republicans going on about this in my home, I just start rolling my eyes.

Get to work. I don't care what they said. Like, just get back to getting stuff done. Because at the end of the day, the Republicans and the Democrats are trying to earn the vote of the American people. So I hope the Republicans just sort of look at this and go, OK, clowns, whatever. That's how we think of them. But let's get back to working. And that will impress average Americans for more.

I think that speaks to the difference, the difference between people on the right and people on the left in the U.S. today, the conservatives and progressives. And I think I said this earlier, but i don't believe in the blank slate right i don't believe that people uh are only created by the conditions that they i completely reject that idea i believe that people have a temperament people have emotional reactions that are going to be different from one person to another i think that your political bent is largely a result of of your your you know your temperament and stuff and i think that jonathan heights work um the the i think it's called the righteous mind is the book righteous mind righteous mind is the book that he did and the the the different personality traits that he

that he sees in the left care versus harm uh you know justice versus uh care i forget what they were but but the point that i'm making is the people that are conservatives they're gonna have the they're gonna agree with you and they're gonna say get to work and that's why or part of why republicans and conservatives don't do that kind of stuff and attack this stuff so viciously because it would actually turn off their base. Whereas when it comes to Democrats and the progressives, they really do. They actually believe these things. I do think a good percentage of the Democrats believe Trump's a fascist. Even you could show them evidence. You can show them all the evidence you want.

But in their heart, they believe that he would do the things that Hitler would do if he was given the chance. They believe it totally. And I use I see it. You see it regularly with the Democrat kind of operatives on X. There are some that obviously are doing it just for money. But there's there are a handful that they're buying it. They believe everything they're saying. There's a couple that come to mind that I'm not going to name because I don't want to promote them. Also, ignore the politicians for a second. If the media was doing its job, like people who are politically motivated, people who are either in government or the ones that are already politically partisan, meaning those who are already considered a Republican or a Democrat.

Sure, fine. Maybe the Republicans shouldn't be, you know, in the eyes of some Republicans, they shouldn't be wasting their time going after something that they believe to be just a miss something that was misspoken. Right. But it's the media's job and unbiased media should be doing their job to at least ask this guy, what did you mean by that? And one thing this country could do if they wanted to actually heal the divide a little bit is if both sides of the aisle, if we were in a world where there wasn't as politically partisan of news networks as we have now, is if MSNBC was willing to ask him a question, what did you mean by that, and then print his, it is possible that you wouldn't see the divide in the way where now anytime somebody cites an article for something in the news, whether it's if it's pro-Trump to say, well, that was just from Fox News.

That was from Newsmax. I disregard it because your news is biased and it doesn't matter. Right. a couple of questions of people that were Democrats, it might engage people to start asking those questions from both sides and get people a little bit more in the middle. But they're not going to do that. Yeah, I think I think that there's there's a lot of substance to what you're saying. And I think that I wish that you could see or you would see, you know, outlets like MSNBC and CNN. I think it's possible with CNN.

I don't think it's possible with with MSNBC. MSNBC. MSNBC has picked their lane. Too far gone? Yeah, well, they picked their lane. They may not have a huge viewership, but they have a viewership that they have to cater to, and I don't think they're going to change that. I have seen plenty of far-left people on X who call CNN a pro-Trump network. Yeah, it's ridiculous.

That's an actual—and it's because it's—well, it's owned by, it's run by David Zaslav, right, over there at Warner Brothers, Warner Brothers Discovery. And they really hate him. He's kind of the Trump of the media world. They really, really despise him. So there are definitely people that actually believe that CNN is somehow a pro-Trump network. All right, we got, I'm going to jump to this story here. Ex-Federal Reserve advisor, the Washington Post reports, ex-Federal Reserve advisor indicted on charge of economic espionage. A former senior advisor to the Federal Reserve Board of Governors was arrested Friday and accused of leaking inside information from the Fed to the Chinese government over a period of several years. at one point receiving a $450,000 payment,

then lying about it to Fed investigators. Economist John Harold Rogers, 63, of Vienna, Virginia, worked in the Division of International Finance of the Fed from 2010 until 2021, according to an indictment unsealed Friday in federal court in the district. Last year, he told a podcaster that he'd retired from the Fed in May 2021, approximately a year after he had been questioned by investigators for the Fed's inspector general and allegedly lied about how he accessed and transmitted sensitive information to two unnamed Chinese co-conspirators. Do you guys think that there is any level or bureaucracy in our government

that is not infiltrated by China? What was the name of the... Federal Reserve advisor? Yeah, what was the name of the, the organ? What was it? The name of the Federal Reserve advisor? Yeah. What was the name of his position? Uh, he was, he was a senior advisor to the Federal Reserve board of governors.

For what? Like it was, it was the department of what? Uh, let's see. Worked in the division of international finance. I just imagine that there's so much dark money and, uh,

in bad stuff going on there. Yeah. To answer your question, Phil, you'd have to define the word infiltrated. Exactly. Because if they maybe they just talk to some Chinese guy on the phone, I think they've all been connected to the Chinese in some way. Every layer of our government, I think, is connected to the Chinese in some way. But it's just such a vague, like the thing is, if a guy has a private company in China, he's a Chinese government agent because the way the CCP is their tentacles in every private company in the country.

So like any business at all with any Chinese company, you're, you're, you're connected to the CCP. Yeah. Has anybody, anybody asked Eric Swalwell what he thinks of this? Zing.

I don't know, but it's a real heavy assumption to think that every government agency has some sort of infiltration. I don't think that it's all that heavy. I think it's a big – it would be too much to say everybody, right? At least the the organ of the bureaucracies that that have will have an effect on U.S. China relations. I think it's reasonable to say that China has, you know, has at least some kind of relationship with people, whether knowing or unknowing, because there are people that that end up doing spy stuff for other countries without realizing they're doing it um when you

know you can get if you talk to like swalwell talking to the chinese spy he didn't know that he was talking to a chinese yeah but fang fang just you know she she was giving him you know telling him the things that he wanted to hear you know and i'm sure that that happens plenty, you know, whether, you know, some guy that that likes Chinese women and some Chinese woman is like, oh, you know, blah, blah, blah, talking to him and pillow talk will will end up, you know, exposing a lot of information. And I think that that kind of stuff, that kind of espionage is probably more common than, hey, here's a bunch of money. Get me information. But I do think that it's probably very common than, hey, here's a bunch of money, get me information. But I do think that it's probably very common. And I think that the United States, it's possible that that, you know, previous administrations had looked to look the other way or not not hunted down leads and stuff.

I mean, there's there was plenty of evidence that Joe Biden and Hunter Biden had dealings with Chinese companies. And there's there's no reason to think that that they weren't, you know, giving information to the Chinese government, again, knowingly or unknowingly, because who knows what China what what Hunter Biden was. If Hunter Biden goes to China, you know, they're loading him up with coke and hookers and he's running his face. And you know that they're they're filming him up with coke and hookers and he's running his face and you know that they're they're filming and recording everything you know it you know so like how i don't think that it's a ridiculous thing to say hey there's every level of our government on to some degree is has been

compromised and you know i think that i'm not sure how you would clean it out and make sure you know how the trump administration would come in and make sure that it's cleaned up to the best of their ability. But I do think that it's reasonable to say, hey, we need to take care of this. If I'm still – sometimes I'll be dating, and if I meet a girl that's Chinese from China, that goes through my mind. I'm like, dude, she's got connections at CCP. I can't date this girl, which is horrific. Crushing hearts for Chinese women everywhere. I'm so glad I got married years CCP. I can't date this girl, which is horrific. Crushing hearts for Chinese women everywhere. I'm so glad I got married years ago.

I don't have to worry about any of that. Was she Chinese? No. No. I think you'll be okay. Okay. I think China is trying to grab a lot of power before it's too late because they got a huge population crisis. I mean, infanticide was rampant for years years and they sent a lot of girls into the wilderness.

And now they've got an aging population, a lot of boys that can't find women. And I think they see the writing on the wall. So I think they're just trying to grab as much power as they can right now before it's too late. What do you think the chances of some kind of political upheaval in China? Are that because or is that because I mean, it's, you know, an old saying that a young male pop too big of a young male population with nothing to do is a recipe for disaster for a society. Like how what kind how bad do you think the situation is in China? Obviously, China has significant controls over over the population and the information that gets out. But do you have a sense of what what kind of situation is going on in China? Or is it just kind of your gut instinct because of stuff that you've read in the news? It's going to be a lot of my gut instinct. I'll just, I'm not like an expert on this,

but first of all, let's remember Trump's in the White House, so it's pronounced China. That's how it's pronounced. It's a huge nation over there. So, I mean, I think you can never really predict because a lot of like East, uh, far Eastern people are going to have a far different culture where a lot of people in the West, we want to stand out. We want to be unique. It's the exact opposite mentality over there. Like they want to sort of just blend into the crowd.

There's a lot more collectivist thinking than individualist thinking in the West. So I think a lot of the, uh, the assumptions or intuitions we would have are just completely wrong on how they're going to react. I think they would rebel if they're not, if they're running low on food, if they come under some sort of economic pressure. But until that kind of thing happens, I think they're just going to try to continue with their cultural norm of trying to stay in the crowd, not create too much fuss, because that's very much the mindset of collectivist cultures, whereas we in the West, we're very individualistic. We want to stand out. We want to cause a riot. I don't think a lot of them are thinking that. I think they're just sort of thinking is, how can I go along with what everything's happening and not get too much

attention to myself? So I, you know, it's hard to say what's going to happen. I would never have predicted Trump's first term or second term. So I mean like this – who knows what's going to happen over the last 20 years, next 20 years. It could be anything. I think it – my gut tells me they will take those young men and try to get Taiwan because you got to look at it from their perspective. They're going to – they have this aging population that's – they're not having the birth rates up they need to replace people. So they're going to have a declining economy over the next 100 years regardless so might as well try for once because either way they're going to decline a little bit somehow so i think they're thinking of that so i guess we'll see though i i always hear that and i think about the fact that like and i agree with you a lot of people

don't realize the real situation on the ground in china they have no idea they don't understand like the like the reality of being from a collectivist culture and how you view the world as being fundamentally different from a Westerner or an individualistic standpoint. You're right. It would be a last chance to effort to make this last-ditch attempt to take Taiwan. But the

problem that I see with it is that the only thing they really want for Taiwan would be a propaganda victory. The people they don't really need. there's more mouths to feed for China. You're not really getting much. You're just getting what TSMC's factories and fabrications that you can essentially build in a couple years time, which is there is some stopgap time period to like some lead time to build these things up and have them. But I just, I personally, I lived in Singapore in high school,

so I'm not speaking from a little bit of an understanding of the region here. I don't know if they're really going to do it because it doesn't seem like – Good point. I mean you could say like maybe for the legacy of Xi because his zero COVID policy didn't really go anywhere. It just caused China to slip years into the past or essentially into or into like, essentially into like a, a real economic problem for women right now, on top of like the one child policy that it caused. But I just don't see it happening.

I think there's just too much that's would, that they still would seek to, that they would lose from going to war. Maybe that's a different value point, but I don't, I don't know what to make of that. That's a good point. And yeah,

I, again, I, I, as I said, I have no clue what's going to happen, but I mean, like I, they may just sort of roll the dice on it. I mean, but yeah, again, as I said, I have no clue what's going to happen. But I mean like they may just sort of roll the dice on it.

I mean – but yeah, again, they're the collectivist culture. They don't want to make too much of a fuss. But I do think they're trying to grab as much power as they can right now in hopes that somehow they can deal with their declining population. I think that's probably what they're trying to do right now. And infiltrating the US government would be one of those aspects. I don't know how deep it is, though. Who knows? If the Americans were to take the Panama Canal, I think the Chinese would seize Taiwan and just be like, there you go.

Now we're even. And also, not only is it what they get, but it's what is being removed from the table, which would be basically a liberal economic imperial stronghold right off their coast, which they don't want. It's like a British colony, essentially. It's not really, but... And they deal with Hong Kong in the same way, which was exactly the same thing. And what happened with Hong Kong after those riots, what, five years ago?

It's just like radio silence on Hong Kong. What's the situation there? Well, it's China. They just sped up the agreement. They decided that we're not going to wait the whole 50 years we agreed to. We're going to make it China tomorrow. It seems like after the tiananmen square riot massacre

where the chinese just shut down a potential revolt um it was like what happened if the american revolution failed would there ever have been another one or would the british have just seized and clamped down and then like like how long after 1776 would there have been the second american attempt at independence considering considering the fact that the that canada became its own country australia became its own country new zealand became its own country and india like the the british stopped the the colonial rule of india i do think the united states would have become its own it might have become its own kingdom because canada is a kingdom of britain Australia, New Zealand are all kingdoms. King Charles is the monarch. India is not. India is not. So how it would

have panned out, I don't know. And also because of the even if they'd have lost the revolution, right, the founders had lost the revolution. I think that the spirit in the United States of that kind of looking for independence was something that was in the in the colonies. And I don't think that would have burnt out. And I think that had there been a revolution that the that the Americans lost, I think if whenever they actually did achieve their own independence, I think they would be looking back and saying, remember what the king did. Remember what the king we want to break ties with the king. So now that you mention it, I wouldn't have been surprised if they had made

the United States, it wouldn't be called that but made this the whatever its own kingdom just like canada and they're like now you have your own prime minister and your own you know autonomy under the reign of our king remember it was it was 150 150 160 years between or 140 or maybe years between when the united states was formed and you actually got fast passage across the atlantic right because even even boats it took a couple weeks to get across right now the titanic and and those those class of liners would it wasn't like you could get across so the logistics of keeping a colony under control the way that the the england had like that was a tall order and and so i think that the the the revolution even if the the revolution had failed i think that the sec there would have been a quickly would have been some kind of second

revolution and and so on and so forth because this the sense of of indignation towards the king wouldn't have changed they would have they maybe maybe the the maybe instead of you know being a couple years it would have been a longer war but i think of the i think it was was kind of inevitable that the united states was going to become its own country i don't know what sparked the tiananmen square riots exactly if it was dissatisfaction with the not the emperor the chinese have no longer an emperor but with the ccp basically there was dissatisfaction with the the totalitarian government i don't know what do you know what sparked the tiananmen square riots by any chance i mean that's essentially it was the students were saying that like this is ridiculous and it was 1989, correct?

June 4, 1989. And then the Chinese government, well, the CCP, you should say, because there's also the Republic of China. They peacefully repressed the students. Peacefully reorganized the students. Meaning they slaughtered them all and put them on indoctrination. There was a lot of people that paid a heavy toll. So whether or not that country will see another attempted revolt like that were they all was that ideology erased if you know anything about china right now and you start seeing the stuff that they're doing now a lot of chinese people are

freaking out about it but the problem is like there are also an equal number of people that have been so they've they've you have people always struggle with this it's hard to understand what it looks like from another man's shoes or from another man's perspective like they've lived their their entire life within the bubble of China and they've been their idea that Zheng Guo, like their center of the universe for them, is this – they're like an American. They think of their country as the best. They're like China number one. You know, like they literally think that. So like the problem is there are going to be some people that say they see the injustice in it. But some people don't view justice in the same Western mentality that we view justice.

They don't see it the same way that you or I do, and that's just – It's about the collective. Yes, correct. If you upset the collective. I mean this is why in Islam there's apostasy laws. If you leave Islam, you don't have freedom of religion. They want you dead because you cannot apostate from Islam because the collective overrules the individual in these collectivist cultures. So they'll have that kind of mentality.

And the English had 500 years before the revolution in the United States or about 500 years. They made the king sign the Magna Carta. And the Magna Carta was a big, big deal. Like, right. It established the rule of law, limited the king's power, guaranteed rights to barons, protected the rights of property and bear of barons and stuff established that all free citizens could own and inherit property. These were all innovations. These were all brand new ideas. And so this tradition that the American that the Englishmen in the colonies, because they all considered themselves Englishmen, right? Even though they were Virginians and Massachusettsians and New Yorkers, they considered themselves English. They all had that strong tradition of we're free men,

that we have a king, but the king is not actually the totalitarian king that other societies had and other kings and other monarchies had the, the, the rights of the men of England. They, they had a lot of rights and because of the Magna Carta, that kind of, kind of self, uh, self ID, self, you know, awareness of themselves. That was something that was expressed in the revolution here in the United States. So to compare the United States or the U.S. Revolution and what came before it in England and English common law to China, it's really, really, really, really different stuff. You know, because there's 500 years, 500 years of believing as Englishmen they had rights. King John.

They came from God. The Magna Carta is great. It was King John. I believe it was King John. It was Richard's brother, King Richard's brother. King Richard the Lionheart was on crusade, yeah. He died. He drowned in a river.

So his brother, King John the Alcoholic, was in charge. And that was the guy, the king from Robin Hood, that Robin Hood was, you know, the sheriff. The funny thing about him is he's portrayed in Robin Hood as this great king. But, like, at one point, like, on his way back from crusade like he gets captured by someone and they try to like say like we got your king no yeah Richard the third and the English nobles hated him so much they didn't even want to pay the ransom

they're like no thank you you can keep them until someone convince them all right fine we'll pay the ransom I love Chinese history there's a book called the Romance of the Three Kingdoms that was written in like the 1400s by Luo Gangzhao. And it's basically a historical fiction about like the year 200 AD where China split into these three kingdoms. There was this revolt called the Yellow Turban Revolt.

And then all these local governors formed armies to fight this revolt. And one of the governors seized the emperor and took control. He was like, I'm ruling through the eight-year-old emperor now. And it's a really great story. They made Dynasty Warriors based off of it. So I learned a lot about just – but the whole obsession and love of the emperor, which has been throughout that country for thousands of years, is something different than what England – England didn't even exist until 900 AD or whatever.

1066 is technically when they go back to William the Conqueror. William the Conqueror? Yeah. We're going to go to Super Chats now. We've been running our faces a little long, but that's okay. Shane H. Wilder says, I want to shout out my homie Chris Burtman and his wife. They're about to have their baby.

Let's effing go. The cult of Burt will live on. Burt man. Congratulations, Burt. Hey, buddy. about to have their baby let's effing go the cult of burt will live on man congratulations burt hey buddy uh he's a a wonderful wonderful guy and uh here's to hoping that everything is smooth and they have a a easy she has an easy birth and and we welcome the child into the timcast world here uh kelly says it's clear that any gop senator who votes against bobby tulsi or cash will face a huge primary election challenge nicole shanahan scott pressler and angela mcgardle all have pledged to oust them i mean i i don't know if they're going to face a primary if they

get confirmed right but if whoever if they don't if one if whoever, if they don't, if one of them, you know, they don't, one of them don't, doesn't get confirmed because of, you know, dissent from, from one of the Republicans, then you might. But when it comes to people like Collins or Murkowski, those districts are very, you know, they're, they're not reliably red, right? They're, they're very purple districts. So it would probably have to be someone that, you know, was like, hey, you know, I'm dissenting because I don't think – personally, I think it's most likely that it would be Tulsi, and it would be someone from a red district that would say, oh, I think that she's actually, you know, actually somehow a spy, which is on its face ridiculous. She's been a major in the national

guard for 20 years she's had five different background checks and she's had a clearance the entire time if there was anything nefarious in her past that that show was there it would have been found in the background checks she wouldn't be an officer especially a major like that's a pretty high level officer oh yeah she did she picked up lieutenant colonel you're right my bad uh lieutenant colonel so yes um thank you um yeah that's a that's a pretty high level officer so i don't i don't think that there's anything there so i it's my opinion she should be um confirmed but i do think that if if it's uh if if it ends up being someone like murkowski or like Collins, probably not. I don't if it's McConnell, I don't think that there would be a primary challenger as well.

But I don't. Do you guys have thoughts on on? Well, all three of those, Kennedy, Tulsi Gabbard and Cash Patel, I feel like if they don't get in, there could be someone that's put in that's way more partisan, way more dangerous. Like those guys are balanced, obsessed with constitutional law and doing things by the book. You're not going to get much better than that across the board. Like they might they might be like like flashy personalities, but like you don't want some sycophant getting in there. I think Kash Patel is going to get it probably pretty easily.

I think that he'll get the votes. I think that it'll be the Democrats that don't like him. And I think that the Democrats are going to, a lot of Democrats are going to vote against these people. And I think that that is a problem because anyone that's not a swamp monster, the Democrats are just against. Like Marco Rubio, he was a senator, so they like their own people so he got in smooth sailing nine to one yeah he got in with smooth sailing but that was largely because he's a senator and they don't like to they don't like to insult their own like it's a very small club there's only a hundred of them you know at any one time so they they are very much like you know

our people are cool other people aren't so i think that was a lot of why Marco Rubio. And honestly, he is extremely qualified to do the job. And he's not particularly MAGA. They don't conceptualize him as a MAGA guy. Even though I do think that he's going to do the job that the president wants. I think that he's going to be on President Trump's team. He's not going to be like some of the previous Trump administration people. But my sense is that it's going to be like Cash Patel will get through.

I don't know if I have – I don't think that Bobby's going to have a lot of problem. I think he'll get through as well. But I think Tulsi might have problem, and I think that's a terrible development because I think that Tulsi – of all of them,si is is the one that i think you know deserves it the most she should they you know they put her under under surveillance you know so but all right um perpetual jonathan says finally ip makes it i came across your work via the Drizzle David Wood years ago and your series the Dizzle David Woods years ago

and your series have been very thorough and informative. Convert Phil. Well I follow you on X now and I do a lot of listening to podcasts. I have a long drive that I'm going to be driving to New Hampshire tonight so I will be listening to your work. What's the Dizzle David Woods?

The Dizzle, that's David Wood. He is the Islam's number one opponent. He, I've been on his channel. He's been on mine and we, we go after Islam when he comes on and he's, he's a fun guy. Uh, you guys should talk to him, but yeah, I do. Thank you for the super chat. I do a lot of stuff. I just uploaded a six hour super cut of all my videos on gospel reliability, just showing the gospels are extremely reliable documents. Do you think that Islam could benefit from a reformation? It's never had one before. No.

Here's why. Because if you go back and you just look at what the Prophet Muhammad was saying, I mean, like, you read the Hadiths, their violence. I mean, you read, like, Sunan Abu Dawood. I mean, there's one story that I was just talking with David Wood about today. Like there was a slave girl that was attacking Muhammad and they they killed her. And then they went to the prophet and he said, yeah, that's fine, because she was insulting me. So, I mean, like a lot of like there there have been reformation attempts in Islam.

It's called it's called they're called Salafis. And a lot of them actually get a little bit more radical and traditional. Islam didn't start like Christianity. Christianity started with a guy, Jesus Christ, who was God incarnate. He died for our sins. He died the death of a criminal, lived the life of a pauper. And then his followers were called to go out and be persecuted to spread the gospel, and they were for hundreds of years until Constantine helped them. But Islam started basically with a warlord for the most part. He comes out of Arabia. Islam spreads. They take over this area. They turn the Christians and Jews and the dhimmis, you know, force them to pay this tax. It started off completely different in how Christianity started. And there's great books,

like Tom Holland actually wrote a book called The Shadow of the Sword. He goes into that in details. There's another great book called In God's Path, where they just talk about how Islam spread. It was a lot of violence involved, far more than the foundations of Christianity. He was, Muhammad was a, Muhammad was a, like an orphan, basically, in a Bedouin tribe. And he lived the life of a warrior because they were being persecuted. They had no other option at that time, fight or die. So he led an army to fight and then decided, instead of killing you all in Mecca, I'm going to unify everyone under this concept of a god. And so he sort of spread monotheism. But I feel like if he had been born in a time of bounty, like we have now on earth, that God would have spoke to him in different ways and ordered him to do different things and because it gives you different wisdom and and and um direction depending on the situation hey let's let's go on to read some more super chats sorry no no it's fine it's fine it's just

that we got a bunch of super chats and and and I I this conversation is not a small conversation I could go on for hours so um no offense offense, no offense. I apologize, Ian. Let's see. Justin Royer says, congrats on the album, Phil. I've been jamming it all morning, and it's absolutely killer. It's about time we make guitar solos great again. I tell you what, no one can guitar solo like Jason Richardson. By the way, people are going to get the new album.

Where is it? Where do they get it? You can get it on Spotify. You can get it on Apple Music. And if you want to order a physical copy, you can go to allthatremainsonline.com. There's actual albums and stuff. What's the name of the new album? The album is called Anti-Fragile.

Anti-Fragile on Spotify? On Spotify, yeah. I'm Not Your Buddy Guy says, is America under attack? No, it's not. You can chill out. Let's see. Wyatt Clayden Berg says, Phil, I think the anti-government right believes government is unnecessary

because people are basically good, while the pro-government right, like me, believes we need government because people are basically bad. My take. My take is I do think, I think that I'm in agreement with you, but that doesn't mean mean but because people are bad you can't allow a strong big powerful government so i agree people are you know they're gonna

they're incentivized to take care of themselves and their tribe their family and their tribe first um but because of that that's actually an argument against big government as, as much as it is an argument for big government. So I agree with you in principle, but I don't think the solution is big government. I think the solution is localized government. So, um, let's see. Uh, general kale says if they were willing to use a virus last time imagine what's in store this time around uh they who are they though the guys in the black cloaks that hang out in the basement

in europe somewhere yeah well i mean look historically there's been a lot of of things like famine and food restrictions and that was what was being proposed in England. So, I mean, I think that we can actually imagine what would be on the table if governments are allowed to run rampant. So, let's see here. John Sola says, New ATR album is fire, feels like an early aughts, New England metal and hardcore fest.

I'm glad Jay Rich is carrying the torch for Ollie ripped to a guitar legend in metal I tell you what it is Jason's great he's awesome in person he's phenomenal he's a great guy um it's a bittersweet to think about Ollie this is the first record that we put out since Ollie passed away the last time we put out a record was 2018 and all that was our that was the last record we did with Ollie and so this is uh you know it's it's kind of tough but um we're very proud of the record and i think we did a we did ollie proud so that's the uh that's the sweet part of the bittersweet so let's see uh i'm not your buddy guy says i hope everyone watches the piers morgan interview of tucker carlson i agree that the one word which can sum up Western civilization is Christianity.

As Christianity declines, so too does the West. I am very sympathetic to that idea. I mean, I'm planning a bunch of videos this summer, like how Christianity ended slavery, how Christianity created human rights, how Christianity created science. I did a video last year called How Christianity Changed the World, and I found all these studies that missionaries have just went out. They increased literacy rates. They built hospitals. They actually created economic progress in places like India and China. I mean like it's the lifeblood of the world, and we just don't realize it.

But yeah. But here's the silver lining in all that. I think as Christianity declines, we go to secularism, but secularists have abysmally bad birth rates. And so sociologists like Eric Kaufman, who wrote Shall the Religious Inherit the Earth, says in about 100 years, we're going to be right where we were because who's having all the kids? Conservative Christians, and they're just going to just come back. But now they're more polarized, so they're protecting their children more than they were in like the 90s that's the that's the argument that tim actually makes a lot that because the left is you know the left is embracing uh what some people would call uh debauchery and and and aborting their kids and not having kids and looking at themselves and saying we're not going to have kids because we want to spend our money on us and looking at kids as a problem and such, that eventually there's going to be a revival of religious, you know, of religion here in the U.S. and that the right is going is ascendant because of that. I mean, G.K. Chesterton said, I mean,

Christianity has died many times. It has a God that knows its way out of the grave. So we'll be back. Don't you worry awesome uh let's see um john eddie says read about my recovery from lymphoma and chemotherapy and share my story on give send go john eddie well congratulations that is great to hear i love to hear people that beat uh cancer man i lost my dad to cancer 25 years ago now so So anyone that can beat that terrible, terrible disease, you know, kudos to you. And here's to a long life in a parallel road. I just was having swelling lymph nodes the last few days. And I went in the sauna for like an hour. And when I came out, it was the swelling was gone for it was just gone. So I don't know if that has something

to do with lymphoma your lymph nodes your lymphatic system reducing acidity who knows but it was it was pretty miraculous congratulations by the way uh from timothy curran says phil i think i saw one of atr's first shows at st john's gym in clinton mass new album is excellent equal parts pushing and inspiring what we needed these dark days Hope to catch you guys on tour soon Thank you very much It would have been one of our early shows

Probably back in like maybe 2000 2001 Which is pre-release of our first record Back when we had no idea what we were doing at all We were terrible That's Father Timothy Curran by the way Oh Father Timothy Curran I apologize, Father.

Thank you very much. Let's see. Michael McHenry says, long time, first time, long time fan, first time, I guess, super chatter. Found out my wife's pregnant. My third, her first. Angelic woman who adopted my sons after their mother passed. See y'all in eight months.

That is a beautiful story. Congratulations. Round of applause. Round of applause. Round of applause. And kudos to your wife. And hopefully she has an easy birth. And what a great woman to adopt your children and make a family out of those that lost their mom. Let's see.

Yeah. MF Damien says do you think the right hollering dei all the time will have the same boy who cried wolf effect that the left achieves screaming racism all the time i don't and the reason i don't is because right now there is so much dei in the government it is unlikely to find we are unlikely to find out that it's not if the if we were to compare it to the left screaming racism all the time um the left screams racism all the time when there's no racism like the the left screamed racism about the george floyd situation uh the left screamed racism and had most of your average normies thinking that that you know a thousand or two thousand black men were murdered by police every year and it was like

12 you sound so racist right now i i'm i'm not that word has no effect on me anymore um like i was getting it today i'm like you run along with your magic spell. But now, if you were comparing the DEI, the accusations of DEI with the accusations of racism in the 60s, you might have a point because there was a lot more racism, you know, before that hey look we're a racist society we need to end jim crow etc etc um so i think that the context today no but if you were to compare it to the 60s maybe i think that there's enough dei going around i don't think there's enough racism going around to actually fill all the accusations i will say phil has about 60 magic resist so he is very resistant to magic in general it's pretty cool um the i am concerned about the dei thing becoming a boy who cried wolf situation with this helicopter crash into the airplane i've seen people on twitter with large followings being like dei they're saying it they're not and that is to me hold back bro but it's only when it appears in the government that it becomes a real boy who cried wolf.

If like our Department of Defense was saying, it's because, like, come on. But no, they haven't been. So I'm not concerned like that. Andre says, TCAS is not active at that altitude. Blackhawk mistook the jet for another jet that was landing. Hilo pilot wearing NVG-2, no depth perception. I mean, yeah. I don't know what tcas is but uh um like i said the the there was a miscommunication i i was under the impression

there was a miscommunication with the tower and honestly like if they're wearing pvs 31s like i have 31s and i know that they have an aviation version but like you can you can i you can drive with pvs 31s flying, though. There's is there a lack of Brian was saying there's a lack of depth perception. There is a lack of depth perception, but there's still like you can tell size and especially seeing as like the wingspan. Like, I don't know. I'm I don't know. Maybe so.

But thanks for the super chat. Andrew. Andrew Ho says the aircraft have traffic collision avoidance systems. Thank you very much. It's a verbal warning traffic with the distance and which direction to maneuver to. Was that not working on either aircraft? I don't know. I guess we're going to have to wait until we hear more from the NTSB and all of that. Crowag says, Brett, what are your thoughts

of Stargate partnership with the Pentagon for nuclear projects considering the plot points of Terminator and War Games? I have no thoughts on it. I do think that everybody should re-watch Terminator 1, though,

because it's an underrated film. As good as Terminator 2 is, Terminator 1 is just as good. You think it's underrated? I do. Terminator? All of the attention comes to Terminator 2. I think Terminator 1 is just as good. You think it's underrated. I do. Terminator. All of the attention comes to Terminator 2. I think Terminator 1 is a vastly different movie.

It's basically a horror movie. And it's fantastic. The music of that film, the score of that film gets stuck in my head. Like if I'm sick, I have fever dreams that involve that movie. I'm completely in agreement with you about the quality of the movie.

Especially for its time. It was absolutely terrifying, and it was a brilliant movie. I love it to death, but maybe it's because I'm older than you. I didn't get the sense that it was underrated. I guess underrated now is because when it's referenced in pop culture, most people reference Terminator 2 as one of the few movies that outdid its predecessor. It's a sequel that's considered better than the original. So most of the attention goes to Terminator 2 more than Terminator 1. So I might be showing my age here too, but I also don't think that Terminator 2 outdid

those. Oh, interesting. I saw Terminator 2 first. I mean, they're hard to compare because they're not the same. They're not. They're not even considerably in any way the same type of film. I mean, look, just the Terminator 2, when I think of Terminator 2, I think of mostly daytime shots and well-lit shots.

When I think of Terminator 1, I think of gritty, dark, most of the movie was happening at night. Really just a great early 80s movie. So, yeah, go listen to Brett. Go watch Terminator 1. It's amazing. Also, Terminator Salvation is an underrated movie, and you should watch Terminator. Which one is that one?

That's the one with Christian Bale. Yes, I agree with that. I did not like that one. I mean, most people don't. In terms of story structure, it's just, it's not, they don't do it well. I just enjoyed that they actually looked at the bleak future and actually spent time there rather than using it as a narrative device. And Terminator, the Sarah Connor Chronicles, which was a television show that only went two seasons, also awesome. I only watch Lord of the Rings.

This was, all right, so that one gamer says, blindsided in a good way seeing Iron Mike Jones here with the rise of political tribalism. What's the best way to combat things like Christian nationalism? Would love to see you on a culture war episode. I would love to be a part of that culture. Yeah, the best way to combat Christian nationalism is to go to church. Because again, studies show Christian nationalism arises among the least churched individuals. If we're going to define Christian nationalism, simply, it's that the idea that Christianity should be in the business of protecting national borders and identities, and national governments should be protecting a specific culture and a specific identity, which is just completely antithetical to the gospel. It's about creating a kingdom for Jesus on this earth and bringing all people in regardless of background so we all become one great, big, beautiful people at the end of the day. So the funny thing is, is that Christian

nationalists take pains to say they're protecting Christian identity, and when they get people in church, they start moving away from Christian nationalism and towards a much better understanding of Christianity, where it's our job to go out and help people and love people, not just protect certain classes or certain ethnic groups or certain national identities. I mean, yes, I believe absolutely we should be caring for our own people, but we should also be striving to help as many people as we can. And unfortunately, a lot of Christian nationalism moves away from that. And so, yeah, I have a lot of problems with it, I think.

But again, you want to combat Christian nationalism, get people in church, and it will fix itself, surprisingly. I think taking the plank out of your own eye before you try to take the speck of dust out of the other makes some people, leads them towards a Christian nationalist, like we need to protect and improve the United States, America first. But then at that point, once it's protected or once it's satisfactory, you can remove the dust out of your brother's eye. I mean, we have to fix problems at homes.

I mean, I think every Christian would agree with that. The problem is, I think, when I look at Christian nationalism, it's the idea that government should be enforcing like a certain type of Christianity on its people. Like, you know, some people have said, well, we should stay like a white Protestant nation. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. Just go back, read Augustine's City of God, that these nations, they're going to fall and rise. What matters is the kingdom of God, ultimately.

I mean, his book, ironically, is a great way to combat modern Christian nationalism because it's all about the kingdom of God. Nations will come and go. Focus on this. Last one here. Young Pete Chang says everybody should give Phil a round of applause for clearing six shows in a row, plus a culture war episode under his belt with flying colors. Stan Tall, thank you very much it's true um so yeah mike you want to go ahead and give yourself a shout out good and tell people where they can find you yeah you can follow me on inspiring philosophy here on youtube

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