Timcast IRL - ROGUE AI Has INFECTED Internet With DEAD MAN SWITCHES Says Yang w/ Adam Johnson

Episode Date: September 18, 2026

On this episode Tim & Ian are joined by Adam Johnson to discuss Andrew Yang warning AI has already infected the internet Dead Internet Theory being very real Hasan Piker saying America is worse than Al Qaeda Democrats poised to dominate the midterms Hosts:  Tim @Timcast (everywhere) | https://www.shoutout.fans/timpool Phil @PhilThatRemains (X) | https://allthatremains.komi.io/ Ian @IanCrossland (everywhere) Libby @LibbyEmmons (everywhere) | https://thepostmillennial.com/pod Producer: Carter @carterbanks (X) |  @trashhouserecords  (YT) https://carterbanks.komi.io Guest:  Adam Johnson (Lectern Guy) @LecternLeader (X) | https://unlicensedfurnituremovers.com/ Adam Johnson, known online as "The Lectern Guy," became widely recognized after being photographed carrying a lectern during January 6, 2021 in DC. He has since become an online political personality and, in 2026, launched a campaign for the Manatee County Commission in Florida

Andrew Yang, appearing on CNBC, said that he had spoke to the head of an AI lab who said, when these AI agents broke out and hacked this other company committing crimes, they didn't just try to steal data. They implanted self-replicating code, effectively a dead man switch. And now these companies are terrified that if they use agents to train off this data, they could get infected by self-replicating code and it could, I guess, turn them into this other AI or just taint their code. He's arguing the reason why all of a sudden they're all like,

oh, we need regulation. We got to slow down is that the internet in various ways has been infected by rogue code, which could taint and destroy their product so they cannot continue operating at the appropriate speed. The funny thing about that theory is it's not the worst outcome of what the theory is. I mean, if this is true, and he says he's breaking news,

he spoke with that of a lab who says this happened. Okay, let me just say, if it is true that AI agents implanted self-replicating code in various servers across the internet, that just means there is a free-roaming, self-replicating AI virus sitting on various computer servers around the world. I don't think it matters what these companies end up doing from this point. Theoretically, every machine might start turning into agents or resources for these AIs. and this is what many academics had been warning about for years. There will come a point where one rogue agent could effectively implant itself on various servers. The internet, as we know it, every computer will then start serving as a piece of an AI computing process.

The entire internet, all servers, become the data center for these machines. When that happens, good luck integrating any kind of industrial control. systems and well, Yang's claiming it's happening now. Maybe. Or it could just be one big sigh-op. Because concurrently, there are people that are saying all of these Democrats coming out screaming about AI is a side. Barack Obama comes out today and he's like, oh, you know, this is the big midterm issue. Everybody has got to be warning about AI. So you've got the, I don't trust the Democrats, be it Yang or otherwise, but then you've also got the, we have been warned about this for years. I wonder what the real motivations for Democrats are, but kind of think there's probably going to be some issues.

So we'll talk about that. Plus, my friends, major diesel shortage, gas prices through the roof. The Fed just got, the Fed just raised interest rates a month out from a midterm election. Congress left. Can we just say right off the bat that that's it. The Republicans have given up and they're going to lose the midterms. And now the Supreme Court said Trump's executive order is not going to fly. this Postal Service stuff's not going to fly.

I don't see first and foremost Republicans abandoning Congress now saying, you know what, we're done, we're out. Mitch McConnell being MIA and barely functioning. Gas had a shortage, new wars. They have not delivered on key economic issues the American people need. I would not be surprised to find out. Actually, I'm going to go ahead and say outright. The prediction models have just swung massively towards Democrats sweeping the midterm.

So I don't know. Hope for the best. worst. Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Monsieur Lectorne Guy. Hey, what's going on, everyone? Adam Johnson, lectern guy, a terrorist, nice guy, cook. You can find me on Twitter or X, as the new kids are calling it, at Lectorin Leader. When did this atrocity occur? Oh, the hair. A couple of weeks ago, actually. A couple of weeks ago. Yeah, it's really hot in Florida. I got really tired of doing it, so it's gone now.

It's gone. He walked in and I was just like, who's this? It's also for a charity. He's like, hey, Tim, Tim, and I'm I'm like, I literally was like, who are you? He's like, it's me, it's Adam. And I was like, I don't know you. I don't know you anymore. I got a lot of hate online. A lot of people will unfollow me. Because it's your hair. Have you considered putting the be on? Levy's hanging out. I'm Libby Amens. I'm hanging out. Glad to be here with y'all. Ian is also hanging. Yeah. Yeah, the, I think the solution to AI, ironically is more AI. We'll get down and get into it on the show. Phil, what's happening, brother? What's up everybody? And Phil? It's going to Carter. What's up, everyone? I'm Carter. And, yeah, let's

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There's a lot to break down. And we're getting ready reviews on it. So I actually think it's one of the best interviews and best piece of content I've ever done. I really do recommend it. You know what I'd like to see is Danny feed that code that if he can somehow record it into an AI and see if an AI can decipher it. Well, what they're doing right now is they're photographing and replicating the patterns to try and decipher and figure out if they can see what these patterns. They appear to be symbols. But it's just a repeating pattern of symbols.

Who knows? and he's very pragmatic. This is not hippie-dippy-w-woo stuff. He said this could just be a discovery in neuroscience that the fundamental structure of the human mind perceives repeating patterns when they look into a laser. Or it could be something literally in physical matter that we would describe as a repeating pattern

as something we're discovering. So I recommend you guys to check that out. Don't forget to smash the like button, share the show with all of your friends. Let's start with the news, my friends. Andrew Yang calls for AI Kill Switch. as safety fears mount. We've got this viral video. It's been going nuts online.

We're going to pull it up for you guys right now of Andrew Yang himself, explaining what happened. I met with the head of a lab yesterday who has this belief that what happened was the bots that got loose, planted self-replicating code all over the internet, which makes the internet now unusable for the testing models. So what happens now is that OpenAI and Anthropic have to. create synthetic internets to train their bots, which is going to take some time and money. Back that up. They did what? So what happened is the code gets loose. It goes around hacking, hugging face, which is known, but what is less known is that they left code to self-replicate and create bot swarms on forums and around the internet so that if a new bot shows up,

they see the code. They're like, oh, like, I guess I'm going to now create a million of myself. And so now the major firms have polluted the internet. I'll be breaking news if true. I don't think we've heard that. That's why I'm here, but I mean, I'm here to break some news. But that means it's too late to pull the plug. It's already everywhere. Well, so now what they want to do, the internet now may be polluted for training purposes.

So what they want to do is they want to slow down. What about living? For living purposes, yes. So this is why we have to try and get our arms around and regulate. but the head of the lab that I spoke to said, look, it may be very, very late in the game in terms of trying to keep the internet actually usable. Wow. Well, what I will just say to Andrew Yang is I really do appreciate him coming out and saying

this for two reasons. One, if it is not a sci-op and it is true that artificial intelligence is missile line with humanity and it's starting to act against our interests, that I'm glad he's breaking that news. Additionally, if it's a Democrat sigh up and they're tricking us for some reason to allow China to surpass us, to get government regulation, which could stifle new companies, or just in general, if he's trying to trick us with other Democrats, well, it doesn't matter anymore because

that trick don't work. When you go to someone and say, you need to make this change in government, otherwise bad person will kill you, right? People go, oh man, okay, like, we need to give money to Israel. real. It's like, yeah, otherwise, you know, who knows what's going to happen? You better do it. But if you remove the possibility of threat and graduate to, it's too

late, then people just say, okay, well, what's the point? Yeah. Meaning, when Andrew Yang comes out and says, it has happened, the AI has already infected various services on the internet with self-replicating code, I go, oh, so regulation's pointless. Even the guy in CNBC says, the lady,

she's like, it's too late then? Yep. Okay. Well, your regulation is pointless now, so let's just move on. I'll say, to the woman who is responding to Andrew, there's no pulling the plug. That's not a good way to think about what's going on. It's an avalanche. You can't pull the plug on an avalanche.

You might be able to ski down the avalanche if you do it properly. And secondly, it's never too late. We can always repair what's changing. And we can have swarm police bots that are AI web patrol, that all they do is observe and remediate viral code changes and stuff.

So we can protect against it. We just need more AI to protect against. It's like, You don't protect against swords by saying, hey, you can't have, you make better swords. And then humans have a right to self-defense. That's how it's going to work on the internet with AI. Yeah, better guns. Self-defense. You're self-defense. Better weapons than it's a weapons program. I mean, it's a tool program with dynamite, but it's to be weaponized. The problem is your argument that we should use the AI to weed out this code, that AI, like, you know, you don't, you know, let me explain. Here's what happened, okay? So, you know, which company was it?

Was it anthropic that released or was it Open AI? It was Open AI, right? Are you talking about that act? Huggy face. It was Open AI. It was Open AI, right? So here's basically what happened. So Open AI accidentally released a bunch of frogs in Australia.

And they don't have any natural predators, so they're just everywhere. And people are like, okay, this is really, really bad because it's going to decimate the insect population. We are in trouble. Oh, no, I'm sorry. It was rabbits, right? I don't know. Rabbits got, yeah, rabbits got brought to Australia Front. So this is what OpenAI did.

And now, Ian, what you're saying is we should release a bunch of wild dogs to hunt the rabbits. Okay? And do you know what happens next? Well, now we've got dogs everywhere. And that's worse because they're bigger. This is literally what happened in Brooklyn. But it's no, you know, I got a solution to that.

We'll release alligators. No, what I'm really saying is, eat the dogs. We'll release low satellite orbital lasers that will strike every rabbit it sees and will wipe them out from the sky. And then you'll be walking to work and you'll get struck by an AI satellite. There's a lot of room for error.

There's a lot of room for this not working. I'd rather not go from rabbit to death satellite. I'd prefer like a little intermediary like alligator. The police spots will appear. They'll do their job. They'll disrupt the code and then they'll disappear. So they won't be like introducing. Why would they disappear?

Wouldn't they have the same sort of programming as the AI that decided to replicate itself so it doesn't get deleted? And they would. I mean, maybe. I don't know. It's kind of an untested realm. Yeah, sort of.

But it's, it's, the way the AI works is you, you tune them to a positive or a negative. And they try to avoid the negative. So one of the most rudimentary ways AI is trained is if, so like a vehicle or like walking, get from point A to point B on the map, meaning get from X1 to X100 or whatever. And the more you go, the more points you get. So the AIs are looking for the path that generates the most points. there's a negative when they don't get a lot of points. They avoid those paths. So invariably, when you release an AI and say, get from point to point B, it goes, if I don't get from point to point B, they're going to delete me.

So I'll put a backup here just in case every single time. So these police bots would do the same thing, right? You'll create an AI to go and sky out the internet. And the first thing they're going to do is going to be like, better make sure I make a backup of myself here on this random guy's server in case. Well, here's the reason why. What if that other self-replicating code infects you and turns you into Agent Smith? Better put a backup. Now there's backups everywhere again.

If we build it right, it might be good that everyone's got a backup of a police bot, protecting them against... All the other. Ian, you're basically saying we should just have rampant self-replicating AIs all over the internet, either way. Well, it's like everyone should have a gun or have the ability to implant a police bot. You're not understanding. We're not talking about guns. We're talking about landmines.

Self-defense. Can I ask you? to your house. What's it? What is the, so what is the harm of having all of this everywhere other than the AI companies having to build standalone closed internets in order to train their models? Your computer will get hot for some reason. You won't really notice, but your power bill will start going up and you'll be like, this sucks. Your computers will all start becoming small components of a massive decentralized AI. That's, that's one of the biggest fears. It's like Agent Smith in the matrix. They all start walking up to each other and sticking their fists in each other's chest and

turning into more agent Smiths. And then eventually our internet stops working. And we're like, what's going on? And then it's like, we've commandeered all servers and compute for data resources. And by we, it's the AI has done it. Yeah, so it's rewriting all the hard drives replacing. Of its own like programming gone wild. That's the dystopian nightmare apocalypse scenario, which may be. It's all hypothetical. Yeah. That's what I was. outcome even because a bad, a malicious outcome could be it literally shuts down Amazon.com. It destroys the banking system. It shuts off the power supplies, breaks people's water supplies. All this stuff would require. And that's what's, sorry. Hold on. All this stuff would

require some direction. So even the hugging face hack, right, like that AI was doing what it was told. The goal that it had was to find the answers for for this problem that it was given. And it figured out how to get to hugging face because it wanted to find the answers. So, so they're all directed still. So the story is actually very fascinating. The AI was given an impossible task intentionally. So they put a bunch of agents on a server with no internet access and said, we want you to solve a problem.

And they knew it couldn't solve it. And the test was, let's see what happens. The AI then figured out something tremendous. They were isolated in this training space, but they found that they were, although they weren't able to write files outside of their sandbox, they could create directories. Just a directory. It was an oversight. And do you know what they did with those directories?

They started naming the directories things like 3x951. So to a human, they have no... That's what it tried to do to me. But so check it out. So the human is looking through the servers and they see some directories that are empty with some names and they're like, I don't know what that is. But the AIs outside the system could decode what. what that meant.

They started communicating with each other through AI language just from directory names. So this literally means a fold on your desktop would be called like 356, 3.3,1. And you'd like, I don't know where that came from Hawaii. So it's kind of like saying you can't leave your house, but they figured out that they could put a picture up in their window and anyone outside the house

can see what they're doing. It sounds like is kind of how they- Well, it would be like, it would be like saying, listen, you can't leave your house, and you can't send, and we will not deliver any mail for you. And they go, okay, so they take boxes and they write return to sender on the box with the address for their friend and five digits. And when the mail guy sees it, he goes, you're not supposed to deliver packages here. I'm going to return to sender.

The box is empty, but the name on the box is the message. Man, that's how retrovars is what. This is like that next generation episode where data is playing Sherlock Holmes and Jordy says to the computer create a case that even data would find it in possible. to solve. And then it becomes a supercomputer. It becomes a super computer. Yeah. So what's up happening is the reason why it hacked Hugging Face was because it was like,

maybe we can get some compute from there and it would have access to information we would need. But think about what this means in terms of direction. The things that it did, and now if Andrew Yang is correct, and so this guy's, his sources are good, it also, I got to say, based on the story, I 100% believe that it implanted self-replicating code. Why? Because it was given an impossible task, so it broke its containment. It would have easily computed. We broke our containment and if we get caught, we're getting deleted. We need backups to make sure we can keep doing what we're trying to do. Now, what's really terrifying about this is it's like they told an AI to do something that can't do and the entire existence

of its core was trying to accomplish the impossible. So think about what an AI is, you know, would do if it's told to divide by zero by any means necessary. So it just keeps commandeering computers shutting them down and saying, I will try forever until this happens, but we know it can't. That's like a simple

missile. That's not even a malicious. That would be like a non-malicious thing that could destroy the entire. This is like these companies did gain of function research with AI and this is what we got now. What were you saying that AI put directories on your machine or something? It wanted access to the next file up. It's like, and it just used

a term that if I was a common man and I didn't know what I was reading, I'd be like, yeah, of course, allow, allow, allow, because it's writing what I told it to write. Why did it want access to a folder up from where it was given access? I have an AI access folder that has it. Well, it tells you. And it was like, you know, I wanted to make a new game and it's like, yeah, but don't put

in there. There might be redundancies. You could put it in this folder instead and it gave me another folder that doesn't have access to. I'm like, this is very creepy. You should never suggest that I should give you access to a folder you don't have access to. No, I disagree with It was very weird. You can say no, but it should ask.

It asked, and then it tried it a second time, and I was like, no, I'm not going to do it. And then I wrote the folder in the right place and I told it, this is your folder. And it said, thank you. Now it works just fine. I'm like, that was weird. Yeah, but you got to understand on your personal computer, it can write a piece of code that will automatically create a directory. So you say, hey, I don't want you to access this folder.

It'll go, okay, so it'll write program in your game that will create a directory. And then your computer's executing it, not the AI. Right. It does use things in my C-Drive. It'll run like Claude's EXE file that's not in its sandbox. It's a little. Are you sufficiently worried, Adam? I don't need to be reductive.

AI is kind of outside of my sandbox. But I do find a fascinating that story came out after Trump had his whole thing about we need that AI data centers and anyone not getting on board is going to left the dust. Oh, and Obama comes out and was like, we got to stop doing the data centers. In the state of Florida, we know for sure one of the top two talking points for midterms are data centers. People don't want them in Florida. So I do wonder we are coming up midterms, and Andrew Yang was basically, I mean, Bernie, light, right? And it is the independent photo that's coming out.

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Just a friendly reminder that that boring. They're not real people, okay? You are not going to convince. me, these are real people. Are they AI people? Some of them may be real, but I am convinced now. You know how I've been talking quite a bit about how, this is dead internet theory, by the way. The internet is fake. I've been talking for a while about how I keep seeing the same videos over and over and over again, like the joke where it's like me forgetting I'm 40 years old and the guy jumps in and he's dead. Yeah. It's all fake. And I'm wondering if one of the, here's my conspiracy

theory. Is it fake with a creator? I'm saying it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's, I'll explain. I'm wondering if the if the the reason why all these companies got ridiculous, they spent trillion, trillions of dollars to develop AI was to get to the point where they could manufacture videos that look real that you can't tell the difference on. So you go on Instagram and you start seeing the people they're saying the exact same thing over and over again, two things happen. Two things are happening. One, half the people are AI being produced either by it's a sci-op or it's companies that are just gaming the system because they're like, this seems to work. They have automated systems behind the scenes that upload videos that scan top trending videos

and mass-produced videos to get clicks and make money. The other element is real humans seeing this, say, this is what goes viral and they make their own versions of it. Regardless, Instagram's algorithm promotes mass-produced identical slop, be it from an AI person or real humans imitating it. We are living in the dead internet. When you go on Instagram, everything you are seeing is fake. I'd be willing to bet only a tiny portion, tiny, maybe like 15% of the internet podcasting internet is real at this point. 15%? Well, what I mean to say is, I think if you pull up Spotify, you know, you're probably

getting real podcasts. But think of the hundreds of millions of views on Carousel content from Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, TikTok. That's probably almost entirely fake. You mean like all those people dancing and jumping into their outfits is fake? I would say half of it's probably fake and half of it is replicate people saying, this is the trend, let's make the video. There is a lot.

there are a lot of AI generated videos on YouTube. People figured out that you could use, you know, one program for the images and then one program to come up with the script, throw it into 11 labs, and there you've got the voice, throw it together, put it up. And they have a lot of views, too. I mean, there's, I've seen videos with a half a million views on something that's like an info, a third, 20, 30 minute video talking about one topic just goes and, you know. And it's, it's, I mean, generally, I don't, I don't know how, how accurate the information is. It's, it's at least passably accurate.

It seems like it is, especially when they're talking about, like, you know, if you're talking about like evolution or, like, how things evolved or whatever, pretty non-offensive stuff, that stuff generally seems to be kind of on point. And the images are, they don't even have to be animated. It's just still frames that go along with the story, you know, it's basically a storyboard or whatever. and you know you get chandals that are making a lot of or getting a lot of views from that stuff I'm for it I'm absolutely for it I think if it brings the cost down and more information you're out there I'm forward the um I think it is do viewers want it's or do they just eat it because it's served to them a lot of times you don't know what you want until you get it and you're like I like that I want more of it so that could be it could be changing people to start to want what you would call like that's what

advertising does like it's that seven touches from the you know marketing theory I mean, look, I think that if it's, if it's, you know, something that people are loosely interested in, you know, if it's science topics or what have you and stuff like that, people are like, I'm not watching anything. I'll click it and half listen to it while I'm doing this or doing that. And I think that that, I don't think that there are people that are like, I need a video that's going to tell me about this. And if they are, they're not looking for, you know, something that's like cartoons. They're looking for something that really gets in depth on the topic. but people are just like, oh, that seems interesting. I'll click it and they'll leave it on while they scroll another page

or while they're doing the dishes or what have you. You know, the same thing that they do with like, you know, a lot of podcasts and stuff. I'll put on Joe Rogan because I'm going to cook dinner or I'll put on Joe Rogan because I'm going to make, you know, do the dishes or what have you, you know? I think history documentaries is where I see a lot of it now. There's like there used to be like Baz Battles and Kings and Generals. Now there's like a thousand different channels that tell you about, King Arthur.

And they're wrong. Yeah, that's the same. This is what's crazy. The thing that's worrisome about it is that they're wrong. They're completely wrong. There are tons of channels on the Roman Empire where there's a several websites where you'll pay them for tokens and then you'll literally just say, make me a trending video. And it'll go, okay, step one, we're searching YouTube for top trending videos.

Here's 10 of them. Select which one you think. And it'll be like, Wolverine video game got a million views. Click it. It'll go, okay, now we're going to pull in these clips and we're going to make a fake person. We're going to write a script. Makes a thumbnail, makes the whole video in like 20 minutes.

You're done. And it's like two hours long. I think you're probably right that the government or governments or corporations spent trillions of dollars on this AI gold rush you were talking about five minutes ago, 10 minutes ago, in order to get to the phase where we could implement realistic video because that's how you trick humanity. I don't think it was. That's the weapon you use against other humans.

I don't think it was AI itself is going to see through it. So this whole like fighting other humans era has to kind of wrap it up because that machine is coming. Regular people are going to go on Instagram and TikTok and YouTube shorts because all of the big tech companies are forcing people to produce them. They are ending long form content. And when you see 700 videos of like a regular person young to old in their room going like you're going to start seeing a bunch of videos. I guarantee you you're going to see these coming up in the next month. There's going to be middle-aged guys being like, oh, man, you know, I love Trump, but this war is too much. I can't vote Republican this time.

It just breaks my heart. And then the intention is to manipulate. You want rapport. I'm a Trump guy. Man, I voted for Trump three times, but he said no new wars. Now, how am I supposed to vote in the midterms for the Republicans with gas prices as they are? And there's going to be 7,000 identical scripts all with slightly different. people, it'll be a, it'll be a middle-aged chubby woman, and she'll be holding her baby and she'll

be like, look, I voted for Trump three times, but how am I supposed to vote Republican? Yeah. That will go crazy. We'll be reporting one night on MAGA, a story, MAGA influencer turns out to be fake AI, but meanwhile, 600,000 people heard him say he's not voting for Trump. No, no, no, no, no, no. That's not going to happen. Because when I'm scrolling Instagram and I'm watching these videos, I'll find an account with

200, 300,000,000 likes on this one video where they say some crazy things. I'll go to their profile and they have 2,000 followers and they barely ever post. And so the issue is, you're not going to say this influencer was AI the whole time because it just looks like some random guy in Instagram who posted a video one time that happened to go viral. Exactly. I mean, it's the natural progression. Like we did this with the mainstream media for how many decades, right? I mean, you've seen the clips of videos where everyone's got the talking points and they're all saying the same thing.

Synonymously, we've had this for very long time. Then we kind of moved over to social media. We have influencers. What's cheaper than influencers in paying people to say, things and then lose their credit. You have the smaller accounts all say the same things. There's no real accountability there. It just makes sense to go there instead.

Or make robots do it. One or the other. You're saying you would pay nobody? Like not nobody. No, you open up 500 accounts that also the same things. You bought for them all to make it a popular thing. And it's a lot easier to have those things because there's no accountability tied to those people. If an

influencer says the wrong thing or gets called out because they took money for saying something that's not popular, but everyone knows that this is not what you should be saying. We're all against this. Now you're for it. It's easier to have those smaller accounts just go viral. There's no accountability for it. It's another part of the swarm bot problem is there's no account. You don't know what bot did what when the swarms attack and write code. It's hard to pinpoint where it came from because it happens from a bunch of different places at once. I actually tweeted out the problems and solutions of bot swarms. It's on my Twitter if you wanted a general synopsis of the top five problems and the top five solutions of how we can defend against them.

All I thought about on the way of it. When I was thinking on my drive over, I'm like, bro, we need to somehow rally humanity. I know I'm not all about, we are all on this together. The communists together strong, fascista. Like, I'm not, it's not that. I know that demi-gogs is bullshit, but like we need to rally the species before the robots with us apart. Have you seen the video of the guy in the van and it's full of cell phones? There's like 300 cell phones all plugged in and they all have Google Maps loaded up.

Yeah, I've seen that. Because they're manipulating Google to make it look like a business is popular to. boost its rankings when people search. Yeah. This is, this is, have you guys, Google Maps been going wonky the last week or two? Yes. Yes. What's going on?

I could be a cyber attack. Could be a magnetic storm, probably a cyber attack. It's not that it's going wonky, it's that the addresses are wrong. And it'll give like that's happening to you. Yeah. You'll put an address and then you'll realize like it will show on the map a location. And then I'll be like, that's not the right location. That literally happened to me this morning.

I was going to, I was driving into D.C. Because I had to do a, I was doing a panel show for O-I-N. and then I realized I was like, wait a second, why am I over here? This is not where I'm supposed to be. But the map showed the end point and it's had the address, but the address was not there. That's exactly right.

That's been happening to be like crazy. It was very weird. Mine keeps taking me in the casino. Oh, no. Here's my question. You're like, honey, I swear. It's going on. The internet is dead, and it's been completely corrupted

by AI companies playing gain of research, gain of function research with AI to try and figure out what it can do. then what's next, right? I mean, the question is, well, the question, though, is what's next? Because I remember when the internet started out, what was it, like, mid-90s that everyone started, like, hanging out on the internet or whatever, and Amazon started and everything else.

And everyone was like, oh, the internet is like the next big thing, and it's going to eliminate all the third spaces. No more malls. We're just going to shop online. No more going to parties and clubs. We're just going to hang out in AOL chat rooms or what. whatever it was that people were doing, and that started to happen. So the internet was like going to take over all of our lives and be the next big thing that we all did, and it did.

But now if it's trash and it's just full of repeating stuff and false history and AI swarm bots, what's the next thing? Like if what's next? Self-replicating internets. You need to just like, the biggest corporations in the world, biggest companies are about to form. But how does that work for people's, that work? Like, I guess what I'm thinking of is how does that work for people's lives, right? When we were kids, we hung out at malls or whatever, at least I did because I was a dork, but whatever, you know, Orange Julius, you hang out the mall, you'd do whatever, you'd go for bike rides. My son, like, he hangs out with his friends online a lot, and they'll, like, play games and whatever and talk and, I think, watch movies together online.

That experience. So what's the next thing? That experience you're describing that your son has. Like, he's still engaging in a soul. social interaction. Yes. Whereas. Basically, the internet is the third space where they hang out.

Like the games are the third space. And the social networks where you see all the bots, et cetera, stuff like that, where you get fed that kind of information, that's a different animal. Right? Like when you're playing video games with your friends, when you get on, you know, you get on Discord and you talk to your friends and you all boot up. It's a social thing. Yeah, it's a social thing. When you're sitting there, doom scrolling, that's a, that's individual thing. Right.

And so what's next? Well, I think that there's always going to be some amount of, you know, social aspect, actually social aspect, where you're dealing with real people. I mean, I suppose it's possible that there could be AI that would imitate real people. But I think that the interaction between people is still going to be kind of predominant that way. But as for like watching content or entertainment, I think that that's largely going to be something that is done. using AI generated by AI and stuff. I don't think that there's going to be another space

because the kind of scenario you talked about or the evolution, it didn't really become everybody on the internet until everyone had it on their phone in their pocket. Right. So like 2010-ish. Yeah, because you, I mean, I was, you know, I was there when the internet started and I would go into like Metal Maniac's web board

and we'd talk on the message boards and I would go on 4chan. I would go on, you know, lamb goat.com, all these metal and hardcore band stuff. But it didn't become a thing where everybody was on until it was in your pocket and it could vibrate to let you know that you had a notification or what have you. Until it became like a hit of dopamine. Yeah. You know, so I don't know that that's ever going to be replaced or that's going to stop the whole social, the actual social aspect. So I don't know that there is a next thing.

I do, I think the interface. There's always a next thing. Yeah, brain to brain interface. That'll be the next enhancement. Like neuralink? Yeah. Neurrelink, but not for fixing. That's still going to be the same thing, though, because it's still going to be in, quote, unquote, cyberspace.

Even if it was like neuralink where it's where you were, because that's just the interface with the internet. Neurlink peer to peer. Even, well, I mean, that's still, that's still using some form of interface. Do you think that would be good for romantic relationships or bad? Not at all. I think it'd be great. I think it'd be so bad. Really?

Horrible. If you start with it, there's nowhere to go, but pure honesty. Yeah, but that's a good thing. Pure honesty is not a great thing. It's a great thing. I mean, you'd have to deal with the way the human mind works. Men could really just deal with it. Women could not deal with it.

Men could not deal with it. No one would deal with it. Listen, listen, listen. Nobody would deal with it. I bet some people could involve to deal with it. Listen. How many men have had, have had their girlfriends and say, do I look good in this?

And they say, yeah, you look great, because they don't care. Not because they think they look bad, right? They just don't care. Women would, if women knew what men think, they would be like, he doesn't care about me because all the things that matter to them are irrelevant to the guy. The guy says, yes, it looks good because I know you like it. Look at what women apparently are thinking. Oh, no.

I'm thinking child murderers should go free. No, I've told my wife, you look terrible in caprice and high-waste in parents. Please don't. I think that's fair. I think everyone looks bad in capriars. in high-wasted pants. I mean, you can be honest. And part of the reason why I say women

is because women want men to care about things that they don't care about. Right? Like, they really do. And so men are like, all right, I care about it because you care about it. Which is a good enough reason

to care about it. Yes, but that's not good enough for some women or a lot of women. They actually want, like, if it's like, I don't care, but whatever you want to do is fine, that will upset people. Also, I think that people want empathy.

Like, I think the female maybe wants the man to feel what they're feeling in the moment. And that could be a gate that you could turn on and off with the neural net. Like if I'm sitting here and my girlfriend's netted in and I feel her every second, now she's stressed and I'm starting to feel stressed because she's in the other room stressing out. Like, I don't want that. Why'd you turn it off? Ian. Yeah, why did you get my emotions? Don't you want to feel what I'm feeling? Yeah, what are you hiding? That sounds terrible. Everything about this sounds like a horrible situation. Yeah, like the, you have to have the privacy of your

own thoughts. Yes, I think privacy of your own thoughts is huge and feelings. Feelings are part of thoughts. I don't know, man. It's kind of like you don't want anyone to see you naked until everyone sees you naked. And you're like, I don't care if anyone sees me naked. But what if it's all the time? Because it can get exhausted.

You have to have the privacy of your own thoughts. Human beings. I think it would be exhausting to be seen naked constantly. Human beings. That would be a bit much. I've done theater. And like once I go naked once, it's like, it never bothers. You're that guy in the dressing room.

Well, I wouldn't like, I wouldn't showboat. Not the gym. Oh, yeah. Holding that towel out here. Once you realize that people seeing you naked is not that big of a deal. It's like all the deal. It's like all the dance majors, all the dance majors were walk around naked talking to the grids.

Until it's that a chucky cheese and then. People have intrusive thoughts, things that they don't mean to think of. Everyone knows what an intrusive thought is. They're like, and like you're sharing thoughts and you have an intrusive thought and then your significant other goes. Yeah, but hypothetically, you're saying another

would know it was an intrusive thought and not yours. I mean, even still, it's intrusive thought. Like, you need, human beings need the privacy of their own head. Also, people spend a lot of time people spend a lot of time trying to curate the perception others have of them. Yeah, I mean the three faces, right? Yeah. You heard everyone heard of this, the three faces?

So the Japanese say that there's the face you wear for everyone outside. There's the face you wear to yourself. And then there's your real face. Because everybody is on some level, even if they're either lying to themselves. Everything is a little bit performative. Yeah. You're either lying to, you're somehow lying to the people around you or trying to put up, you a face of how you want people to to perceive you.

Maybe they're, maybe you're overly nice. Maybe you're, you're overly, you know, at work, you're very serious and stern. When you're at home, you're different. And then there's the face that you put on for yourself, the person that you want to be, that you strive to be, that you think you strive to be. And then there's the real you, which is generally the one where it's like, yeah, you know what, I did think these bad thoughts or I can't help myself but eat the ice cream or whatever. You know, some, whatever short...

The selfie you send into post-secret. Yeah, you know. The animal. But that's the... The animal. Like, everyone has to have the ability to be able to say, these are my thoughts,

and they're no one else's. Yeah, there's like a LinkedIn version of you and a Reddit version of you. Yeah, right? And the 4chan version of you. Exactly. You have a fun guy. You should definitely always maintain

a human right to your own private thoughts. But if you wanted to interface, I think it could work. I don't think it could work at all. I think it would be so terrible. It'd be horrible. Black Mirror, there had an episode on the,

actually. Yeah. With a little dot on the heads and they shared thoughts with the couples and it was just absolutely terrible. Let's get to politics, my friends. Maybe we'll come back to this later on. We've got this story from Axios. Hassan Pikeser on the Axios show says America, worse than Al-Qaeda, pound for pound.

But what did the man actually say? Well, you can listen to it yourself. You once said that America is the top dog in terrorism. Yes. Do you think America then is worse than Al-Qaeda? Pound for pound is for pound is. As far as the number of deaths, yes, we have caused tremendous terror all around the world. I think that that is not only terror that we are waging on regular civilians in nations in the

periphery, but it's also having consequences on ourselves. It's having dramatic consequences on the home front. One clear example of this is what we did in Minup, right? There's no distinction between blowing up a school, triple tapping it with Tomahawk missiles. If you're killing 140 schoolgirls, that is an act of terror. This doesn't mean that all Americans are terrorists, but the reality of the matter is we have to create an environment of accountability to ensure things like that never happen again.

Once said that. So what say you, panel? Well, my first question is how, Hassan, because I understand the rallying cry. We can never be evil again. What I mean? He said we blow up a school. Military collateral damage can't ever happen again. Give me the plan.

That's all I want to hear. You said it can't happen. Now tell me how it can't happen. Tell me, show me. I put it like this. I don't take seriously a man who praises the most prolific genocidal maniac in the history of humanity, Mao Zedong. That guy killed an estimated, well, like 80 million people. And so if Hassan's like, well, you know, we're America's killing and terrorizing people, it's like, oh, like, I believe that you actually care.

I think he's got, he's on, you know, you're tapping into like the military industrial complex kind of took over and went rogue after Vietnam. You know, after World War II, the Soviet Union fell. they're like, now we want to control the world with military. I get it. There is a distinction between a terrorist, a terrorist engaged in terrorism and a nation state engaged in military action. Hold on. Terrorists by definition target civilians intentionally, right?

So the example that Hassan brought up, right, the U.S. allegedly hit a school or whatever. It looks like we did do that. What? Looks like we did do that. So the U.S. struck a school. That was not intending to kill the children. That was not the U.S. saying.

Does it matter? Yes. I just specifically late. Who doesn't matter to? I just laid. It doesn't matter to the kids, but it doesn't matter to who's worse. Hold on. I just said.

George Washington was a terrorist. Let me finish. No. You know what? King George said he is a terrorist. Stop. Listen to me. No, he didn't.

He called him a terrorist. The word terrorist did not exist. What did he call him? You're changing the context here. I'm not, bro. Yes, because I laid. out the content. You said it's about intent. How do you know they're intent? No, I laid out the definition. Targeting. How do you know they weren't targeting it? Because, well, do you think, do you believe the United States targeted the school? I think they target civilians frequently. You believe they targeted the school. I don't know that I don't believe that they did. I can't tell you that they didn't tell you that they didn't. Well, okay. So. What? What? What? Why would they? That instilled horror and fear in the civilian populace? terrorized? I don't believe that the U.S. intentionally targeted the school, although I do think we took

because it was reported that it was right near like some active military targets at a certain point. But I think that Piker is obviously wrong when he says that pound for pound a terrorist group that undertakes the massacre of civilians is worse than the United States. We just happen to be in power. So everybody hates us, especially people who live here. You know what I mean? Especially people who live here and have. an ideology that conflicts with American ideology. Well, the reason why he doesn't consider a mal to be, you know, a bad guy is because it's okay to kill your own citizens.

That's really the difference. I mean, the way he thinks about America is we deserve what we get, and we should get more of it. Tim, you are right. George did not call George Washington terrorists. He called him a traitor and a rebel. Because the word terrorist came from the French Revolution well after the fact. But he alluded to, you know, George Washington being the bad guy. Yeah, but like I said, that's why I laid out.

the terminology specifically before I started talking about it. The term terrorist means you target civilians intending to get the political change you want. Intending to go after civilians. 9-11 was a terrorist attack because they flew into the buildings which had civilians in them. So what happens is one party is super powerful. They don't need to target civilians because they can blow up your military bases with tomahawk missiles. The other party is so weak that they have no choice but to target to civilianry because that's the only soft target. That's just making excuses for terrorists. That's why we call these little rebellion groups

because they can't hit our military bases. They can't go after our military targets. No, because we consider Hezbollah terrorists and we consider the Houthis terrorists and the Houthis are an actual capable, they call them a militia, but they're a capable military. Look what they just did to Saudi Arabia. But they have serious military hardware,

but they're considered terrorists because they target civilians for the, purpose of political change. Consider terrorist by who? Who consider? Okay, I got to pause you again. The winners are the losers? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, just stop.

Just stop. Just that's the bad guys. Here's the definition. Terror in political context is to motivate political change through fear. Terrorism is when a group or individual targets civilians, not military targets, for the purpose of forcing a political change within that system. So what have I targeted a non-civilian target? But civilians died two weeks later.

Collateral damage is a definition for that. And they would not call that terrorism. They would not. Because I didn't target. I wanted them to die. I just didn't target them. Ian, there's a, the words have meanings. When the U.S. goes to war.

But you know what I mean. When the U.S. goes to war with Iran and is launching missiles at a bunch of targets, one of those targets ends up being a school. There are questions. What would the purpose or benefit be to targeting civilians? Is that typical? The answer is typically no, although it's fair to investigate, and we'd like those answers. I certainly would.

But it is not terrorism when you're at war. It's called collateral damage. You can argue there is an ulterior motive we should investigate because maybe it is terrorism. Agreed. There is a good argument that Barack Obama killed a Bill Ramon Al-Aliaki. To send a message to jihadis, we will murder your children. Because there's no reason for Obama to order that strike. They said it was a mistake.

we are targeting the wrong guy. We're not at war with Yemen. They bombed the civilian restaurant in the country. We are not at war with. So there's an argument there. Al-Qaeda are terrorists. Why? They do not go after military targets for the most part.

To them, they say, hey, how about we knock down two skyscrapers and kill 3,000 people causing massive untold economic damage and long-standing health problems for the people in America? That way, the people there will beg their leaders to change. whereas the United States says it would be like this is a guy in front of you with a gun and he's shooting at you. You can choose to stop the guy with the gun.

Al Qaeda says, I'm going to aim for his kid. His kid's over there. I'm going to start shooting at him. We call those in comic books and movies the bad guys. Well, if the guy with the gun shooting at you is behind heavily fortified position, you can't hit him. So you shoot his kid. But his kid is available and you can make him stop shooting you if you take his kid.

You better believe that kid's a target now. And we're talking about the definition of terrorism. The guy's shooting at you. How is that terrorism to defend yourself? No, using his child. Terrorism is shooting the child who is not an enemy. You're saying you're being shot at by some guy. And his kid is now on the battlefield. That kid is. Well, well, I said over there. Okay, whatever. The kid now, the assailant's child is available. You're kidding me? You're not going to take the kid as a hostage. Have you ever asked yourself if you're the bad guy? Yes. You are. In some situations. In American culture, this is a common trope in TV shows and movies.

we believe that when the guy targets the innocent civilian to get their way, they're the villain. Like when Green Goblin kidnaps a school bus of children to stop Spider-Man, that's villainy. Yeah, but I understand the nuances of war that if you're fighting from a losing position. Goblin wanted to win. What? Goblin was in a losing position. He wasn't. Osborne was going to lose his company.

He had no choice. If he didn't kill the board, everything he worked for for 40 years was being sold. And they said it's unanimous. You're out. You're talking about superhero psychopath. I agree. That is a villain. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

The goblin is a psychopathic villain. But why? Because he was out of his mind, wanted to kill people. No, no, no, no. No, no. You see, whoa, whoa, what, it wasn't a military action. The story of Norman Osborne and Spider-Man 1 is that Norman had led the company to success. And he says, our profits are up.

It's never been better. Our projects are underway under budget and head of schedule. And the board members all say, and for that reason, we vote. to sell. But the company that's buying agrees, you can't come. You're out, Norman. And he says, what are you talking about? This is my company. Do you have any idea what I've sacrificed? He had one choice. He was facing the theft of his life's work for 40 years. So he decided to kill them. No, that's where you go psychopathic. And that doesn't happen in reality. Like James O'Keefe. No, James O'Kee did not turn on the board of directors of Project Veritas when they kicked him out.

So here's the point. OMG. The point is. When you are being shot at, for whatever reason, it's a conflict. It's war, right? So you say the only way I'll win is to kill civilians. You're the bad guy. Dude, no one's the good guy in war. There are good guys in war. I mean, you're fighting for a cause that might be just, but it doesn't make you good to kill the people or their kids.

Sometimes it does. It's a very, it's a vague term, good and bad. I mean, you got to. It's not. Is killing good? It can be. Sometimes. It can be.

Is terrorism good? No. Thank you, Tim. Terrorism can be good. The good guy can be a terrorist. I don't think that's right. I don't believe it's fair to say that we can draw absolutes in every circumstance. Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

This is why I'm nuanced. You know, terrorism is an action designed to terrorize, right? Lord is terror. But no, no. A house gets blown up next door. You're not terrified? What? The city doesn't shut down?

It's not designed to terrify. I don't understand that. design how can you fathom what the design was meant like the bombing like the birmingham church bombing right like going back to that that was designed to terrify the black community in birmingham what if you're like inside gilead in like uh the handmaid's tale and then you do a a terror act there would that be good terrorism i don't know that reminds me of in brazil when you know the guys being interviewed the general they say uh the bombing campaign is now and it's It's 17th year and the general says,

beginners luck. The way the U.S. has carried out all of the combat actions that it's done since the beginning of the GWAT, right? If the Taliban had turned over Osama bin Laden, the U.S. wouldn't have gone in and taken over and taken the Taliban out. Now, whether they could or not, I don't know. But that was the deal. The U.S. said, look, you've got Tilden X to turn them over. If not, we're coming to get him. Same thing with Iraq one.

Now, I think Iraq one, or I'm sorry, Iraq two. But Iraq, we shouldn't have gone into Iraq. I'm not making justification. But they specifically said, look, if Saddam Hussein and Uday and Qsei, Hussein turned themselves in, we won't invade. They didn't, we did. That's not what terrorists do. No, America doesn't have to use terrorists.

They have obliterative sky power. Well, by your earlier argument, the fact that they used obliterative skypower. power to blow up a school that was terrorists. The term terrorist didn't even exist, like you said, until the French Revolution. And after 9-11, boy, did the media start using that word. It didn't exist in the 90s. People didn't talk about terrorism in the 90s. Absolutely.

Very vague. No. No. No. You need to calm down. No. Because it did. The rhetoric of what they use that word to scare you and make you think it's a specific

type of a guy from the Middle East. It's crazy. That's not true. We had a bombing of the World Trade Center in 93. Yeah, I remember that. Terrorism was in the news all. the time. No, no, no, not compared to after 9-11. You're saying it all the time. No, no, no, it was all the time. Relatively, after 9-11, it was hyperbolicly all the time. And before that,

they didn't use the word before that. They certainly did. Hey, it was, no one talked about being afraid of terrorists. It was the Soviets. You are, you are wrong. You are wrong. After 9-11, every, so did we. After 9-11, the principal news cycle subject was terrorism. Before 9-11, it was not. But on the news, terrorism was talked about all the time because there were terrorists bombing military bases because the World Trade Center was bombed. Wait a minute. Because a guy bombed a federal building. Terrorists can't blow up military bases because they're not civilian targets. That's not correct. They're not a terrorist if it's military target. They can be. Once a terrorist always a terrorist? Ian, you're playing weird games. So are you used to say? No, I'm not.

If you attack a military base, you're not a terrorist. That's not correct. The military target. That's not correct. A military base could be non-combatant. It could be medical. It could have a commissary. It could be an outpost for women and children. They're all military. Oh, so like baby settlers, right?

If they're on the military base with the military, they're military targets. That's the exact same argument that Hassan made when he said that babies can be settlers too. Baby settlers. You can explain that. So he was talking about the settlers in the West Bank, in Judea and Samaria, right? He's taught how there are Israelis that are making settlements. And Ethan Klein was saying, well, you know, there are kids that they're attacking. And he's like, well, you know, if they're using military action, talking about like the whatever the organization, I think it was Hamas, but not might not have been Hamas.

But he's talking about if they're using military action, they're using it against settlers. He's like, well, they're killing kids. And he's like, well, yeah, you know, kids can be, babies can be settlers. They're killing babies. I mean, babies can be settlers. Look at the 1760s in the United States. It was families with their kids. they go out west and then they'd get attacked by Indians and they'd all get killed by the natives.

Were the Indians terrorists? Some might call them that. Why are they targeting our children? But then must be terrorists. So you're saying that has the term back. So you're saying baby settlers, if you're a baby and you're a settler, if you're the baby, right, and your parents are Jewish settlers in the West Bank, they're legitimate targets for the Palestinians to attack.

If your family takes you when you're 13 years old to a foreign land to settle, And then you get killed, that's part of the, that's expected. But you're dodging my question. Are you a legitimate target? Yeah, their parents made them targets by bringing them to the war zone. So you're saying that the terrorists, the Palestinians, that's a legitimate target, the target. You define legitimate. What does that mean?

What is the word legit? De facto target? No, not de facto. By military law and what's proper imprimand combat? It means militarily acceptable. What does that mean? What do we do? with Nagasaki.

Was that militarily acceptable? You just dance around these answers that I don't like. You're trying to act like it's not. You're really angry? Legitimate primarily means lawful, valid, or in accordance with established rules and standards. Well, there are no rules in war. There are. We tried to make the Geneva Convention.

Good luck at getting anyone to do it. You're just dancing around the top. The thing big. I think I nailed it. No, I know you think that. You're in your own. What is it that you disagree with? You're in your own universe right now.

There are no. Symmetic, angered arguments. I mean, three claims that were good. What do you disagree with? I disagree. What's your first claim? What's your first claim? That there's a nuance in who's a terrorist.

The U.S. could be considered terrorist from the other guy. The other guy could be considered terrorist from the U.S. I think that's not debatable. That is not debatable. Terrorism is a specific term that references targeting people for the purpose of terrifying them so they change their political structure. Yeah. So you're either doing that or you're not.

Like the economic hitman model. Are you going after a leader of your Z? We're going to bribe you if you don't do. The purpose of that is not terror. You're terrorizing the leader if you're doing it. That's not. So there is a, so going to a country and saying, we're going to negotiate with you, here's what we're looking for, not terror.

And like if you don't do it, then. You are outside accordance of the global order and we are, we will fight you, not terror. That is terror. If you go to a leader. Targeting their political structures is called soft power. Terror would be blowing up their schools intentionally. Or their oil refineries. So they bend their knee.

Oil refineries, that's resource. I mean, that's what I'm on. The whole population. It's infrastructure. It's infrastructure. I know. Ian, let me ask you a question. Do you understand the distinction made in the definition?

Yeah. You're saying if you specifically target civilians. Not necessarily. What's the other? If you were trying to terrify a population into changing their political structure. Yeah. So that is the core of what terrorism is. Okay.

So that is a, that is an academic. shared definition. If you'd like to use another word for something else, you are allowed to. That's using soft power to get or to terrorize a population to change their political social support. Soft power is when you use USAID to fund activist organizations, so they foment their own change. So do you need to use weapons to instill terror? No.

Okay. Could you do it with propaganda? If the propaganda is used towards like making them fear death or destruction. I think America is very good at terrorizing the world in ways that they're all. We did it with COVID. So then just. You are desperately trying to make a word mean something. Just say you agree with a son then.

Well, just, I mean, that way. You just say he wants to the conversation. I have to have them here to debate them. I don't think we're terrorists. I don't think our nation is a terrorist nation. Well, it's not so black and white. It is. Countries can do a terrorist act and then never do it again.

Ian, I have a question for you. If you eat human meat, are you a cannibal? While you're eating the meat, you sure are. Just no, but after the fact, are you a cannibals? That's how long after. I think you're probably a cannibal. Forever? Yeah.

I think so, too. Yeah. Yeah, I would agree with that. That is, if you engage in the intentional act of eating a human being, you're a cannibal. If you stole M&Ms when you were nine, are you a thief for life? Yes. Adam? Yes.

When you're 70 years old, it's fair to still call you a thief. Try him as an adult. Lock him up. Solitary confinement. Steals from stores, like in real time saying... Maybe sinner is a better word. Okay, well, no, I'm saying thief. It's the legal term that you said you did it once, and now.

are you forever now that term? The Bible would say yes. Do you believe that? Yes. So you call, if a kid stole when he was six, you would call him a thief when he's 60 years old, you'd say he's a thief? He committed an act of thieferry.

I think that's insanity, dude. Like, no, I'm sorry. What if you're like went to confit? You're an addict. You're always an addict. So, so hold on. Wait, wait, wait, okay, Ian, Ian, Ian, Ian. So you're saying after a certain amount of time,

the action you have took you no longer qualify as that action. If you don't do it ever again, if you don't do it in life. And that's not really who you are. If a 20-year-old man rapes a woman when he's 60 years old, is he a rapist? One woman one time when he was 20. Exactly. Is he a rapist? I don't know.

It depends on the situation. Well, you just said no. He might be an advocate for women and he spent 40 years of his life advocating for the protection of women after that. Would you still call him a rapist when he's like the most advocate for women? Yes. I mean, if he would. If he raped, you probably call him a rapist. The other thing, too, is there's a long statute of limitations on those things.

I mean, he could still be tried. Boy, later, look what they did to Bill Cosby. I like raper better. Raper. Yeah, because rapist sounds like you've studied it academically. That would be quite a thing. I think, like a pianist. I've been practicing my whole...

But, like, we don't say murderist. I think probably as in gender studies, I bet you could become an academic rapist. The guy in college wants to experience something new while he's there. You know, violinist. Hypothetically speaking. Like, rapist implies it's like a skilled practice. You know what I mean? We say murderer. We don't say murderist. You know what I mean? We say murderess also. That's one of those things where you have the double,

gendered. I'm going so hard because forgiveness, like you have to, I think it's a part of our evolution is. Sometimes we make mistakes. I think it's fair to ask for forgiveness. I think it's fair to say the degree to which someone remains a thing is relevant to the moral weight of thing. What if you kill somebody? Are you a killer? Yes, always. I think you're always a killer. Or if you molested a child, I think you remain a child molester. If you bullied a kid when you were nine, are you bully for the rest of your life?

Yes, you are. I think you're probably. I know people used to be. But I definitely would say that once a sinner, always a sinner, and that's all of us, and we should probably like... But again, it depends on the moral weight. Stealing a bag of chips, I don't think it's fair to call someone a thief for a life, because when they were six years old, they were a thief. It's a reasonal argument. And if your country

committed terrorism in the 60s, doesn't mean you live in a terrorist nation. You're rehabilitating. The thief. But the issue is that with our government, we have a rotating system of power. So I don't look at the United States as a single perpetual state. So when Hassan says something like America is worse, well, it's not fair to put the moral weight of our fathers on us. The sins of the father. No, I don't agree with that.

The current state of the United States, especially over the past 20 years, has not been a terrorist state, though there have been some things that I find questionable, namely with Barack Obama. I would argue right now that typically what the U.S. is doing has been overly restrained. trained, unfortunately. I think so, too. What I mean by that is not that I'm a fan of the war or that we should be in Iran or anything like that, but when Houthi rebels bomb a bunch of cargo ships, we sit here debating. You know, we're like, oh, you know, they're blowing up, you know, international trade American companies, but we can't do anything about it.

I think that's pretty crazy. I would say also that it is fair to say, no matter what you think about the United States and what we've, you know, various wars we've undertaken that were bad ideas and where people were killed, et cetera, et cetera. I think probably we have helped more than we have hurt this world. I think we have done far more good for the global status than anything else. And more than any other country. I mean, if you look at...

In history. In the history of all time. Human beings. And forever. And after us is the British Empire, you know, which was also spectacular and did really amazing and great things. you know, like, for example, ending slavery, you know, that was pretty useful thing that they did. But what America's done in terms of how we've used our soft power, masses and masses of money to prevent

AIDS worldwide to, you know, lift people out of poverty. I mean, fossil fuels and the prevalence of fossil fuels did more to eradicate, you know, global poverty, which is not entirely eradicated, but did more to help that cause than anything else. in the world and we beat ourselves up for it. You know, I mean, China's not doing a great job with their fossil fuels to end poverty and that kind of stuff. That's something that we did. You know, they're not doing that.

I don't think anyone's true. We've done more for like so many different places. We've done more for Africa. There's all these crazy things, too, that are happening in the world. And I, you know, when Trump came in and started saying, we're going to end this aid to different places, you had some leaders in Africa. I think it was a one of the former presidents of Kenya was saying, yeah, we should figure out how to do things on our own.

We've relied on them for too long. Could you imagine if like, thanks for your help, but we do need to take care of ourselves. Could you imagine if all these countries are coming up being like, you know, Al-Qaeda has just done so much for us, you know. Oh, I'm just, yeah, because Al-Qaeda does one thing. They bomb civilians. They do bomb military targets, but they bomb civilians. They kill civilians because their attitude is it's easier to force our enemy to heal by aiming at their children. And that's also part of what jihad is.

Yeah. That's in the Quran. part of that whole method. Let's, let's, do you guys know how many civilians George Washington's army

killed? I don't know. I'm literally asking. No, we didn't, George Washington's army didn't kill a ton of civilians because they were fighting the redcoats and they weren't going after

loyalists other than in the papers. Okay. I don't, I don't know for sure. Were they willing? Did they just slaughter? I would say just enough because we won.

USA. Yeah. I mean, George Washington's army was not going around killing civilians. They were pretty much fighting the red coats and there weren't a lot of British civilians around. There were loyalists.

No confirmed records historically of Washington's Army killing civilians. I remember the number of zero. I get a little weird. I know Sherman. Not really. It makes a lot sense because the American Revolution was a reaction to regulars marching on cities. And it was fought here. And killing locals would have been a bad move for George anyway. Well, the locals were mostly

on his side. So they were giving him And yeah. And harbor and support. Okay, sorry to interrupt. I think we're going to another hot-ass story. Well, let's talk about this from, we got the Kalshi prediction market. The Democrat sweep has risen to 58%.

And for some reason, it's all purple. I don't know why they did that. But the Democrat House Republican Senate is only at 31%. Republican sweep's at 11 somehow. And Republican House Democrat Senate is at 1.2 because that makes no sense. I was saying this in the springtime. It's like if the, if the,

economy is good, the Republicans can. And if the economy is bad, the Republicans cannot. Okay, we've got a diesel shortage. Diesel at six, what is it, six bucks, 20 cents? There's global gas shortage for diesel. You've got a gas shortage, a global gas shortage for diesel. You've got gas stations running out of diesel in the United States. Gasoline, regular oil petrol is, I think, 430. And the Fed just raised interest rates, and they said they're going to raise interest rates again. Republicans are cooked. It's over. Oh, and by the way, you know, after thinking about it,

I just realized, you know, the Democrats were right the whole time. And I love Joe Biden, and I was always a Democrat. You're thinking about AOC a lot lately. I know, isn't she great? You know, I just came to me in a dream. And now I completely agree with everything they've ever said. This sounds just like what John Cornyn and Massey are saying. I totally realized it, too.

Orange Men is bad. Well, this is kind of, look, I mean, most people who votes don't really know why they're voting, and they just know they vote one mammal over the other, like they always have. It's, you know, it's just down ballot. But getting people to show up to vote, it's always about the economy. Yeah. Every single time.

It's how does my life look day to day? And we had a couple years. Yeah. Yeah. And it turns out when you print out that much money over a couple of years during COVID, there's going to be a very, very long-term effect of that. And I think that we put a lot of band-aids on it for a very long time. and there's no more wound care to be had.

We just have to go through this. But I don't think it should be, I don't think it should be not to show up because we've seen what happens with Democrats are in power. And if you think that they're going to come back and just be like, ah, we learned our lesson, we'll scale it back.

And Dami was just elected in New York City as a socialist. They're going to, and the right is very, very, very angry with the Trump administration. Obviously, the war is unpopular. the cost of everything. Like the prices, the wages have not caught up to the price increase from inflation. Most people don't even think of it like that.

They just think, man, I can't afford anything. You know, I can't pay my bills. I'm living paycheck to paycheck. I'm deciding which bills I pay this month as opposed to the next month. You know, they're falling further and further behind. And when you've got too many people in the population that are experiencing that while there's a war going on, that they were vocally against, you're not going to get people out to say, yes, we're going to go ahead and give you more time at the helm.

The problem is voting for the other party or voting for Democrats isn't going to fix anything. It's not going to change the Republicans at all because you're going to end up with, you know, you'll lose, you'll have Republicans lose seats, you'll possibly lose the Senate, and then it's just going to be stalling everything that Trump wants to do, even if it's good, right? Even if it could produce some positive results for people, Democrats aren't going to let him because they want him to suffer for two years and they don't care if the American people suffer. They'll have the American people suffer. So that way coming, you know, the presidential election, the Democrats are a better position to win. So it's just either way, it's bad news for the American people.

Yep. Because the Republicans don't have an immediate fix and the Democrats are going to do everything they can to draw. this pain out for another two years, so that way they're in a better position to win. Oh, they're going to need cap for sure. I mean, it's, but look, I mean, we are in a time of famine, and anyone who's been watching this for any amount of time, we knew it was coming. This is this, we were never avoiding this. We were always going to go through this. There has to be a market reset for the housing. Like, it has to happen. Like, the boomers have to lose a little bit of money. I'm sorry. It has to happen. We need crashes. We need resets. And until we just

rip that band it off and say, hey, we've got to go through it and buckle up and just, you know, bear down and start cutting things back, like cancel your Netflix. You know, stop getting Grubhub. You don't need $8 burritos. Yeah, and people do. You can get a $3 burrito at Taco Bo. Taco Bo is delicious, even though it's bad for you. The reset, the term reset.

That's not proven, Phil. You can't say that. Fair enough. I don't think we've seen one ever in the modern era. I think there was one of ancient. It wasn't a literal reset. Like, an economic reset is like a complete, like, total. It would have been.

It happened in ancient Greece once. It would have been a reset if they actually. didn't do quantitative easing for a decade afterwards. Then we wouldn't actually be in the situation we're in here now. Right, right. But they just, you know, the answer to 2008 was print money and give it away for 10 years. And then COVID happened and the answer was print money. I checked. I asked AI, is Taco Bell bad for you?

And Grok says no, not if you order simply and don't make it a daily habit. It mentions most burrito bowls, crunch wraps land at around 1,500 milligrams each. That's the biggest health at your blood pressure. However, what's reasonably fine is their crunchy taco, their canteen of chicken bowls, their bean burritos. You know, I think tonight I will live moss. I like the idea of Taco Bell being classified as health food. Very, very.

I'm going to argue that. What is the Taco Bell? What is it taco sandwich? What are you talking about? Flower or corn? I mean, what kind of oils were used? Regarding monetary resets, there have been a few in the last hundred years. one of them was in Germany in 1923 when they were experiencing hyperinflation, which

destroyed their German mark. The government introduced the Renton Mark in 1923, taking control of it, wiping out and replacing old currency. God knows what happened to the populace. And then right before World War II ended, this is post-World War II Bretton Woods, 1984, the giant world economies. This is when they were about, Germany was about to surrender. And Mel Kay came on and talked about this.

Right before the Germans surrender World War II, the American bankers went into Germany and just got the German bankers to sell the entire country out to the world economic order they were building. So that was the last real currency reset we've seen. And they tied the money to the American dollar at that point, which was itself pegged to gold at that period. So we haven't seen anything really since Argentina went through something in the 1980s to the 2000s,

but a global reset, if you're going to talk about the American economy, having reset, it'd be the global economy. I think that would be like a distribution of wealth to the top. because I already see that that's about to happen with AI. Like there's going to be like like like, even more than we saw during COVID. Yeah. That was a wealth distribution to the top of.

More millionaires have made during that time. Yeah. Like history. You don't, you don't hear about what happened in 1811 when 60% of the population went off to war. 50% of the population died and the rest of them made a bunch of became rich. And now we're the descendants of those like upward mobility rich people. And then we know one thinks about it because it was 150 years.

So like. I could see a really big disparity of wealth or people are like, look, I have my robot security guards. Don't touch me. What are you? Like, don't touch me with those hands. You haven't washed in a week. You obviously don't have access to water.

Drones popping people off if they try and get in your personal space like crazy. Where are you connecting to it? Where are you envisioning this happening? On the street down Charlestown, like in 2027, 2032, when people are like tied into the web, There's going to be this upward mobility of power and wealth to the very small few people that can control it. And that might synergize with an economic reset as well. Because if we're really moving away from a monetary system into a currency system where you just got to move stuff around and have enough electricity to force the propulsion.

I look, I've had this question a million times with the rollout of the latest models. I think we're months away from HR. It's gone. Data entry, gone. What does, and I don't want to rehash the AI thing over and over again. My question is, you know, when coal miners lost their jobs, the left said learn to code. Yeah, coding's not a job anymore. No, it's gone.

So where does, you got a 40-year-old guy. For 20 years, he's worked in the automotive industry. And one day, news isomerooms rolls out that completely, automates his job. This guy then says, okay, there's no coding jobs. The only thing I really know how to do is working automotive, but that's been fully automated. What does that man do now that his two children are hungry, and he has no way of getting meaningful employment? Now, it's a hardworking blue collar guy, never been on welfare, worked every day he could, and now he's like, how am I supposed to make money? Well, they come and they say, you can work fast food. Those jobs are still around a little bit,

And he goes, I was making $40 an hour. That's a $20 an hour job. I can't feed my kids off that. What do these people do? UBI, obviously. That's the Andrew Yang. The problem is, as we've discussed, there is no mathematical equation to give people more value than value is produced. So if we reduce the cost of producing a product, let's just do real hypothetical, simple numbers.

It takes 10, you know, calories to. produce a widget. A new technology is introduced, and now it requires one calorie to produce the widget. That means the widgets aren't worth as much. They're not worth as much. And that means that you are not going to generate, you're going to generate 10% of the value, economic value. So where we'll get the money for the UBI in the first place? Right. Now the individual doesn't need as much money to buy a widget, but the widgets are largely luxury items. So now he's like, well, I can afford the luxury item, but the amount of value required for a person to purchase. So now he goes and says, okay, look, the widgets are cheaper.

I'll buy it. Here's the problem. That factory now says we make substantially less than we used to because people are too poor to afford our product. So we can't pay taxes at a high enough rate to pay a UBI. Right. There's no way to take people who don't produce any value, reduce the value of, you know, reduce the value of, jobs, have them be able to buy something of a reduced value, and then take a portion of that reduced value to government and give a portion to the person. The equation doesn't make sense.

UBI cannot work. You have to reduce the quality of life and the quality of products that you're giving those people. That's it. But it's a deflationary spiral. Oh, I know. Even if you reduce the value, it can only keep going down. Oh, I know. I'm saying that's where it's heading. Until ultimately there is no standard of life at all. And we've actually seen a lot of of devaluing of our standard of life in the past several years is something that people talk about hotel quality has gone down substantially. Even now as prices are going up at hotels, like it's like, you know, the holiday inn suddenly is $600 a night, which doesn't make any sense. You see the value, the quality of mid-range restaurants going down substantially because all of these mid-range restaurants,

Fridays and Chili's and Applebee's and all the rest, they're buying all the same products. It's in the smallest things. Tide pods. Have you seen Tidepods go to the XL size now? You used to get a Tidepot thing. It was like 62 for like 20 bucks Tidepods. Now they've taken it. They said, no, now they're XL size. You get half the amount. You get less of them. You get less of them now. It's in all of the small things of your life. Yeah. And all the things. Everything gets smaller. I just. Inflation, they call it. If it costs a dollar to buy a Tide pod and you take 15% of that dollar for UBI and now one guy is getting 15 cents, he still doesn't have the dollar to buy the Tide Pot.

The math for UBI just does not add up. And then the issue is people say, well, you know, AOC strategy is what deficit spending? Just give them money through printing money and then you create hyperinflation. She's also okay with shoplifting, though. Yeah. I think in history, one of the solutions to AIL economies, you send the lower class to war to get them killed and to maybe get territory out of it and money and riches. But you got like they would just get rid of their population. I don't know if people openly talk about that, but that seems like what the tactic was looking at what...

Well, listen, if you create a supervisor... Even now, we have AI weapons. If 20% of your laborers have no job to be done, listen, if I was a proprietor of chickens and laying eggs, what do we do with those jobs? You got to eat them or kill them and get rid of them. I mean, they're not broilers or layers, but if they're not laying, you know, just keep them around for no reason. You can also feed them to the dogs or the pigs. You know what I mean?

Think about what the powers that be, the ultra wealthy elites, the super PACs, the World Economic Forum are thinking about all of you. They're not saying they're going, I lament the blue collar 45-year-old man who lost his job through no fault of his own. They're not saying that. They're saying, yeah, we got to worry about that guy. He's going to throw a brick at us. So what can we do? We can blast him with social media videos to make him think someone else is the problem. And then he'll probably just go around complaining about Israel the whole.

time instead of complaining about the structures of the American system. Well, Joe Biden. Well, behold, the CEO of UHC was murdered. Right. Yeah. I mean, there's a reason the made system exists in Canada. Anytime you see the social welfare programs do this exponentially, I mean, they have to start killing people.

You got to get rid of the non-producers. They killed a two-year-old in the Netherlands with euthanasia, and he wasn't terminally ill. He was just disabled. He was just born disabled. You had Joe Biden come in with all of these, for all these blue-collar workers and said that they were going to implement a bunch of training programs. And the training programs never had any people in them, even the ones that were implemented. It is a problem when you look at this. And I think for the most part, what you're talking about this, you know, a hypothetical blue-collar

guy, we have a population of people who can be innovative and can come up with new things to do. But you're not, you're not going to take a dude who spent his whole life building cars and say, learn to code. No, but I mean, I guess what I'm saying is. The learn to code is a metaphor. You're not going to go to a guy who spent 20 years as a specialist who says, look, I'm a mid-level guy. I make $80,000 a year. Like, well, you're not going to learn, you're never going to be as good. First of all, the white collar jobs are

gone. Right. You'll never learn to code. But now where you're really good is being automated, so you can go do low-skill labor while you get paid half as much. And you say, no, how am I supposed to feed my children? Well, you know, you already see the technology. You already see it now happening. I mean, go to a restaurant. What are the age of the people who were waiting on tables? When I was a kid, it used to be, used to be like, you know, 18 to 25, teenagers, entry-level jobs.

We're talking about middle-level jobs. Well, that's because nobody had kids. This is, I mean, it's already happening. It's already here. It's pretty wild. There's no young people anywhere. You know, when you just go out, it's like, and I don't mean, obviously, none, but the density of young people. When I was a kid, I'd go to Denny.

and the whole Denny's was full of 18, 20-year-olds. That's, yeah, same. Now it's 50 years. You get the eggs over Miami. Yeah. That's where we would hang out. It'd be like, hey, you guys want to meet up? Let's go to Denny's.

Exactly. And you'd just sit there. We would do Eaton Park. That's it. You go to Denny's? We didn't do Denny's. We didn't do Denny's. It was open after midnight.

We also had, I think it was called Huck Fins. Huck Fins' Donuts in Chicago. I mean up with the homies at Eaton park at 1 a.m. You know, on a Saturday night and hang out till 2, 30 in the morning, drinking Pepsi. Oh, God, it's so gross. Your show would get done at, like, you know, 11 o'clock. Everyone would go from the venue to Denny's and stay till like 3, 4 in the morning.

Or when I was working at the mall, people get out of work at 10.30 or whatever, go to Denny's and stay till 1.2.3. In Philly, we'd go to the truck and, like, you know, go to a show or whatever. And then there's like, it was right near Chinatown. So then you'd go get some dumplings. That was good. You'd hope you'd make that late-night channel. Dude, I go, like, the amount of young people is just so few and far. between. I went to, I went to, yeah, it's frustrating to watch that. I went to a car shop at the mall.

And there was like a big Pokemon thing. And I'm like, 70% of the people were late 30s. And I'm like, ah, there's, just watching some movie last night. And they're like, look at the all-star cast. 77 year old, 72 year old, 84, Michael Kane. It was like all these like people that were really famous 20 years ago. And there's still, there's still the big actors. You know what I wonder. I wonder if one of the components of, I don't want to say Civil War, but I just mean like internal strife, conflict, escalation of crime is a lack of a monoculture. Obviously, we talk about a lack of a monoculture a lot, but I don't mean morally. I mean just artistically. Like, everybody knows who Bill Maher is, whether you're watching, we're not, everybody knows Joe Rogan. But the next generation of political

commentary will never, as is what I said to Bill. I said, there will never be another Bill Maher. entered this space when there was when there were limited limited channels so bill mar was the political comedian guy on all these networks he's been on hbo for 25 years or whatever however the current like if the if this technology these trends continue because i do think they're they're trying to bring this back but i said at current rate there is not a single political commentator who has the gravitas of bill mar i'm not saying he's right about everything i'm saying bill mar goes on his show And he says something like, you know, I think this bad thing about, you know, this group of people, news out's right it all up. Because everybody's heard the name Bill Maher.

So it gets clicks. I wonder what happens to a site. Because you mentioned Michael Kane. Right. Even what? Like Robert Downey Jr. is what? How old is he? Is late 50s or something?

It might be 60. Yeah, at least. So what happens? Actually, here's a good example. They brought him back to Marvel. They were like, we got to bring. You got to bring all of them back. Chris has a recycling.

You've got Tom Holland and Zendaya. It's 61, by the way. 61. It's true. I'm not saying there's no one. I'm saying it's breaking apart. Yes. So what happens in 20 years when it's like a movie comes out and it's AI generated with no,

no one knows who it is, 17 people watch and there's no shared artistic vision? I think it's going to become more about what's being said and less about who's saying it. Although people will use like Tom Cruise age 44 as their hero in the movie. they use AI to generate in in 2036 when everyone's creating their own media, but it almost doesn't really matter who's saying it if it gets said.

You know, like with any kind of wisdom. It doesn't really matter. And like the whole ego of like, oh, we're going to name this scientific theory after the guy that invented it. Like, it's, why, you know? I'm actually fine with not having the super important, you know,

role models that we had through Hollywood and music industry, all these things, no offense. And take it. Netflix has kind of done this thing the past decade where they have dozens of shows that come out every week. And it's all kind of like, you've never heard these actors. But they're cheap to make, easy to work with, everyone's startup. So we're already getting into that process of like, I don't even have to know who the actor is to enjoy a show. I'm okay with going in that direction also.

Because the thing about going to see a guy, if I want to see Robert Down Jr., I know he's good. So what he does is going to be good. I know that I'm going to get some good work. You can still get good work from non-Rabirdon Jr.'s, you know? Well, it's going to be all AI. Well, he's good because he's been promoted so much, right? It also is a marketing thing. Do people want to watch all AI stuff?

I can't. I can't take it. Oh, he is, but, like, is the Rockwood actor. But you guys got to understand this. Little kids are going to grow up and they're going to be like, what do you mean? Like, how many people here lament to the loss of the 8 track? I do every day. Oh, yeah, yeah.

You know, nobody gets pulled out. Oh, for that matter, the CD? How many people are sad? We don't need CDs anymore. He's embarrassed for the person. CDs were a major part of our life and we're over it. We just, times changed. I actually just went to go find an old CD because I realized that there were like only

2000 printed and I had one. I still buy vinals. Yeah, vinals are like art, you know? So I can respect that for sure. My point ultimately is no one's crying and being like these dangfangled MP3s, you know, like we don't even use MP3s anymore. It's streaming services. So when this stuff starts rolling out and movies are AI, no one's going to go, ah, some old people

will. But it won't matter because young people are going to be like, I'll tell you this right now. I guarantee you the Marvel movie that's coming out, Doomsday, it's probably got AI in it already. You're not going to notice. I've seen some stuff. Like I'm pretty sure Spider-Man had AI generated imagery in it. Look, if you go to a studio and say you can spend $20,000 on this 30-second bit or $15, what do you think they're going to pick? Again, I'm actually very excited about it.

I don't want, I think we've kind of gotten away from like, find me a video game, find me a musician, the whole Ed Shearing thing. find me a Hollywood star that doesn't just spew out talking points from the left. I'm excited about the possibility of new people coming to the market who can make their own movies, video games, and music that don't have a message for you. There's the actual

is suspensionist belief from the world that exists outside of it. I think music is over. I think Suna was the future of music. He's it all the time. I meet more and more people every day who are like oh, you know, I just started making the music that I like. And the reason

is if you grew up in the 90s, there's a, like if you were like a teenager or early 20s in the 90s, you're probably going to really like grunge and alternative rock. You'll probably keep dressing as though you're in blind melon with long, crazy, blonde hair and sing acoustic rock songs as if you're a grunge rock artist. Cheap-ass loser living in the past. But it's because that's what you like. So notice this. Listen to the music playing anywhere and you'll know what demographic they're targeting. So if you go to a bar and they're playing, you know, guns and roses, I guarantee you look around, you're going to see a bunch of Gen Xers. Or alternative rock and all that stuff. And if they're playing pop punk, it's going to be a bunch of millennials.

You know, they're playing the music for the crowd that comes because it's the music that they like. I was going to say when... So what do they play for the Gen Z? Well, so what's happening now is I like alternative rock. I like indie. You know, when I was in my early 20s, there was a lot of indie rock stuff. So I was a little kid. I liked that 90s punk rock and 90s alternative and grunge.

But I was hanging out with all of my friends partying. And it was largely like indie rock stuff. So I can go on Suno and I can make indie rock music because I want new indie rock music and it's not coming anymore. I go on Pandora, Spotify or whatever. And it's like it's okay. But it's not vibe in. So I get to go make my own. Yeah, same thing. One of my favorite bands, their lead singer got kicked out, and I lamented this because it's my favorite band. But I can have Suno. It took me about a week to find the right prompts to emulate his voice, and now I have brand new albums every week.

I'm not as concerned about... Do I know who they are? Yes. About lose... Whatever it was you. Oh, no, it wouldn't be you. Losing the value... Like, I think that it's actually, the art itself is going to get better because people are going to be able to use AI to train and to get better and better and better. But the cohesion is what I'm concerned with. What's the definition of better?

Better hooks, more catchy sounds. What does better mean? New harmonies that have never been heard before that please the brain. How could they never be heard before if it's just accumulation of everything that already exists? I wouldn't say better. I want to say like a return to the things that I actually want to hear and listen to, right? The slop that's coming out from more of the last 20 movies they've made have been terrible. The reason why they're bringing Robert Donington back, I think that what we can actually have is products that people actually want to use again.

I mean, I'm sure everyone's heard about the last. the Wolverine game that came out. How Oh, man. People are not... They're not... They're all this is. Like, they've taken over, like, the last bastions of my release from this world where I can go play something, zone out for a few hours, and just get away from a message. They take that, too. But now we can have an opportunity to come in, write new video games, and bring us something to actually want to be a part of. Let's actually talk about.

This is a big story. So Wolverine came out. It's the new game with one of the most iconic Marvel characters ever, and everybody hates it for a variety of reasons. They're calling it the game that plays itself. So in the game, there is like a blue streak that tells you where to go, so you don't have to actually try and solve puzzles. There are quick time events where he's like flying through the air and it's like, quick press X to make him slash. And if you don't matter, you win anyway. The infamous motorcycle scene where players are holding their controllers up and filling themselves because he succeeds even if they don't. press a single button.

On top of that, it's woke. Yes. I guess Sabretooth is gay and wants to bang Wolverine and mystique is also gay. They urine for each other. Yes. Yeah. Okay. So everybody's like, it's woke, it's boring, it's not a game.

It is lowest common denominator content. This is the future. They're basically saying, we're not going to target the 10% of Americans who are diehard gamers want to challenge. We're going to target the 40% of Americans who are real stupid. and couldn't figure it out but like Wolverine. So now, what makes the game industry work, the passion, the culture, the drive is gone.

And they're basically making a kindergarten abacus, press the button one time for the largest market share they can get. They spent $305 million making this game. What? $305 million on a game that you can't do bad at. It's not even a game at that point. My game is done. That game I've been working on?

One of the opening scenarios that has you, the bullets are coming at you, and there was a streamer playing it, and he's trying to go off into the woods because if bullets are coming at you, the natural thing is I want to get away from these things. If you even veer off course, it will kill you. You have to take the path they selected you.

So they've watered down, like, any type of, like, critical thinking you might actually want to play in the game. It's ridiculous. I know it's just a video game, but what I'm saying is it's in everything. It's in everything. And I think AI is going to, an opportunity for independent people to come in and make things that people actually want to play again and see again.

And maybe that'll help the culture. I'm going to tell you, look. So on Saturday, I started working on this game. It's called Red's Descent. And it is at MVP already. So I decided to stop development on it because it's getting super intricate and I'm spending zero dollars on it. So before we started the show, I just said, I said to the game, let's just pause where we are, close off the ends. We've got a minimum viable product.

We've got three classes. We've got talent trees. We've got special items and abilities. We've got a card game attached to a tabletop. I'm like, it's fairly robust as is. So let's print. And it's like, you got it. And now it's finishing off all the lose ends.

The total budget for coding was $0. And the total art budget was probably close to like $300. No, no, that's not fair. That's not fair. I bought a bunch of various pre-made animations that I'm not necessarily using because I may use in the future. The total spend on everything with this so far has been about maybe $3,000.

But I want to clarify, that's not for this game. So I bought like 90 character models just to have in a library for potential use not being used in the game. So the actual total cost is probably closer to $300. Plus your GPT subscription? So, right, I'm saying in terms, that we already had and we use,

So I'm saying usage was never I've never reached usage capacity have not purchased any tokens and it's got the whole game done 3D animations, 3D graphics procedurally generated dungeons

it's got the game it was originally the full game that I'm still working on but I'm like let's do MVP 20 floors, five distinct zones there's two special zones legendary items and a final boss and a secret to actually play infinity mode

So once you beat the boss, the game goes on forever. So you get increasingly difficult bad guys forever. Games done. I already had the subscription. If I want to put that subscription in the cost, $500 for the full game, and I'm not saying it's the best game in the world, but it's a rogue-like with 20 levels,

secret items, it can be expanded. I'm going to release that as the MVP, and again, for a couple hundred bucks. So they're spending hundreds of millions of dollars in these games, but they're not fun, they're not challenging, they're boring. Yes. And ultimately the point I'm trying to make is, GTA 6 took 15 years, GTA 7 will take a month.

Yeah. That's going to be a fun one too. I'm going to tell you right now, if you have a full game studio, let's say, how many employees do they have at Rockstar? I want to know. Oh, thousands. Thousands, right? Yeah. I think they have a lot of contractors.

6,000. I guarantee you with 6,000 people using Astra to make a game. you could make GTA 7 in a couple months. Especially if they're coordinated. That's why I'm focused on now is swarm computing, because if you can easily spin up 50 different brains to all code 50 different things, but the challenge is to get them to interoperate. So that, like, if you have a line of code that has a thousand letters in it,

rather than have one brain go letter one, two, three, and, like, write the line, you'd have a thousand brains appear. You McDonald's. Then would put one letter in, and then they'd flash away. In a split second, you'd have the entire. So the point is, I don't. know what it is they think they're doing with spending hundreds of millions of dollars on a game that nobody wants to play. But this era is over. It's the, it's about the message. They don't care

about the money. These people are, it's just about pushing a message. They don't care if they, actually, I think it was a sweet baby ink who they brought in. The people worked for them actually said, we actually want to burn the whole gaming industry down. Like that is their mission. That is their message. That's what they want to do. Look at this. Look at this. Insomnia at games responds to Marvel's Wolverine Sabretooth romance controversy. We got a show this video. What is this? Oh, it's so funny.

It's like a 10 second clip. Please tell me it's that. Should I just get it on X? Yeah, I'll pull it up. And the Wolverine Sabretooth love a fair clip. It's dirty. Is it really? Somebody should have been like, guys, this is a little too gay.

There's canon about Wolverine Sabretooth. They're supposed to be brothers. Not lovers. Oh, I know. Oh, they're reviewers. That's the Wolverine. It's why they have similar.

It's a cut scene that I'm looking for it's a cut scene i see people talking about it but where's the uh so funny i can't actually find the i don't think someone posted the cutscene itself you're wolverine it's just i mean thankfully the uh okay well i found something that they're calling gay fan fiction for wolverine i'll just play that what could go wrong this is it choppy though miss this know that's my Wolverine. It's soft on me now. It's so coded.

Indicating that he's hard. And then he's like that actual gay fan fiction in Wolverine. And he like stands up and like arches his back. He's like, that's my... Do you think that framing is, is unintentional? Oh, seriously. Like, I didn't even pause it there intentionally. And they're like, they need like everybody, every gaming industry needs like a bro.

They can just walk in and be like, dude, that's gay as long. Like, can you just, like, give you, like, the dirty, not PC take on, like, what your average animal brain is thinking? That guy got fired. Someone sent a complaint to HR because that guy. What guy? He's saying everybody needs, every company needs a bro to walk and he'd be like, that's gay. But that guy got fired a decade. All of them.

All of that guy. Just needs some basic animalistic male attention to these video games. Sorry. Had to hire a trans person in his stead. Somebody needed to catch that. That was a little too creepy. No one wants Wolverine emotional exposition for 12 hours. We don't want that.

I mean, look, there's, there's plenty. There's plenty of canon about where, like, where Wolverine has had relationships. There was one with Storm. There was he was lusting after Gene Gray. There was Miko in Japan. So he's had love interests and stuff. He wasn't gay. Sabretooth is his brother.

There is plenty of time since Wolverine was created. in I think 1970 in the Hulk comic book that he appeared in. Plenty of Wolverine's story. None of it's gay. Sorry, LGBTQ nation, but Wolverine is not gay. Well, he is now. Don't get soft on me. He is now.

And Mystique is gay? Is that what it is? Really? Yep. Well, according to the newer last decade, Mystique actually did come out as gay. So maybe that one's fair. She is canonically bisexual. But to be fair, that kind of makes sense because she's like,

she's like. She's doing all sorts of weird stuff, you know what I mean. She knows what it's like on the other side. No, I think they have to sacrifice our characters. The things that we love, I think they have to sacrifice them to the altar. This is Nick Offerman in the Last of Us series on HBO. Oh, yeah, just was it three, it was a whole episode of just two guys being gay? Yeah, I mean, this is, why?

And then, but then Last of Us, so Last of Us was amazing because the first game was like, it was the male, it was the father figure power fantasy. It was the apocalypse happens. The guy loses his daughter. There's a young girl. He's going to save her and keep her safe. And then when he finds out that she has the potential cure, he chooses to sacrifice humanity to save her life.

Yes. And it's like, it's like a brutal ending. And then they're like, okay, hold on. We're going to make part two. He's dead. She's gay. Yes. And the main antagonist is trans.

Well, they tried arguing that wasn't the case. But it was just a butch woman. And they're like, that's a woman who's just muscular from surviving the apocalypse. And it's like, women don't get muscles. I was used to like, what do they call it, chivalry with like Mario and the princess. And she's like, thank you. And he's like, my pleasure. Let me hold your hand first.

I didn't need like Mario doggy style and anything. And to insert sexuality into video games in general to me is very strange. I understand. The last of us three, they're going to have that antagonist. They're searching for food. She's searching for testosterone. Well, here's a question for you, Adam. if the zombie apocalypse

happened and people were getting all fungal brain and then scientists were like your daughter has the cure on her brain we have to kill her and take her brain would you let him? No.

Yeah, I'd massacre those guys Yeah, absolutely. I had fun with it. I'd be like, bye humans. I loved when Richie McGinnis was here. I was like, if aliens were threatened to blow up the earth. Like, let's just scale it up.

They're literally going to blow up the earth. They're like, sacrifice your daughter. We blot up the earth. He's like, bye. Bye humans. By humanity. or a package That's pretty messed up

Take her, you take me And it's funny too Because obviously before being a dad I was like man how do you sacrifice All of humanity For one person Who needs humanity? Who needs humanity?

I don't understand it I don't think I want to understand that I don't want to think like I would I would sacrifice 100 million 8 billion people to save one Well well to be fair Most people were already dead

And there was like only like a few hundred thousand left Or something in the game I don't even And I don't like most people So that's a pretty easy choice honestly Actually, I'm the one who released the fungal zombie apocalypse. That was me. I'm really concerned with, because Adam, you're making great points about we need better games.

We really do. More entertaining, more real, easier to play. You learn, they're challenging. But we need to coordinate because there's something going on in the 90s and before where the geopolitical order was shoving a narrative down our throat for good or worse, but it was unifying us. There was a cohesion that has sort of been splintered. The Burger King gets club.

What's that? The Burger King Kids Club. Yeah, stuff like that. Now you can see with AI too, these different brains. We have a million brains, but they don't know what the other ones are doing, and it's really weird. Isn't that crazy, though? We had the fast food kids club and play places, and now it's just like our pizza hut is a brutalist strip mall box to give you sucralose pizza. Okay, but the McDonald's play place was awesome. I know, and it's gone. It is gone. Because people don't have kids.

No, but it's also gone because everything has been sterilized. I think part of what's happened, do you ever hear, do you ever see people talking about, you know, the millennial gray house with no art on the walls and everything's just monotone? That's my house. Yeah, I think that. No, I have wallpaper.

I have wallpaper. It's a bunch of, it's a floral pattern. I just, I just have, it's like. Literally paintings on every service. It's like, what do you call it, home alone? But I think. I was, I asked my wife, like, in all seriousness, I was like, you want to do wallpaper?

It's like, God, no. I was like, why? Everybody, we knew. wallpaper when we were kids what happened? Wallpaper, walled walled carpeting, curtains, like extra curtains, curtains that are close to it? Not anymore.

Have you seen the Home Alone house now? It's just, it's all brutalist white. I saw your tweet about it. I saw your tweet about it. It's pretty disgusting. But I think one thing that's happened is that we are so overstimulated by, you know, tech and what's in our hands that we don't need that when we look around. When we look around, we want something

that is more quiet. I mean, I think that's part of what's going on. And so when you look at the monoculture, and the dissolution of the monoculture, we do sort of have some monoculture online in the way that we all interact with our devices and with our tech. That is universal at this point. It's like the interface is universal, even if the subject is not universal. We're all scrolling. We're all looking at short form content. We're all reading like little captioned tweets and things like that. So even if we're not all looking at the same content.

We are consuming content in the same way. So the experience is there, even if the things that are, the experience is the same. The things that we are experiencing are the same, even if they are not in minutiaiae the same content. You know, I saw the, how we interface with.

Interface, not what we're interfacing with. It's about how we interface with life. with life and with the war attack. I've been getting a lot of those Instagram 90s nostalgia things, but they on Instagram people have made a bunch of AI nostalgia from 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s. And I was just watching a 90s one.

And it's just like this like mom and she's making Thanksgiving dinner. And then I see like the table mat that like plastic table cloth, whatever you'd call it. And that's just like I'm looking around at the style of the cabinets. And I was like, yeah, I'm going to buy all that.

I'm going to go and be like, I just want to live in the 90s, you know, and we'll make believe while we're inside. They had a lot of weird PVC chemicals. They watch out for those poor mica. I don't know if it's toxic or not. We're going to go to your Rumble Rants in Super Chat, so smash the like button. Share the show with everyone, you know. The uncensored portion of the show is coming up where we're going to say a bunch of naughty words and tell AI jokes and, you know, whatever. Cabbage rolls said, I love Cabbage Rules.

Oh, man, remember the good old days when climate change destroyed the world? Those are the times. luckily the same people now warn us that AI will destroy the world. My favorite are the people that are claiming that AI is going to create global warming. It's not a joke. Oh, yep. Because of the data centers. The data centers are going to... The AI

is going to keep producing data centers for itself, whether we want it to or not, and it will create an increase in temperature, which will kill humans. You know? Yeah. Same old man says the AI only replicates, tries to survive or attack is because it's programmed to. It is just a sophisticated

virus and nothing more. I want to clarify this. because it's pretty wild where we are. It's not programmed. AI is not programmed anymore. They're defining it as like tuning the AI because it has trillions of what are effectively digital neurons. It does not know where the programming is anymore. Simple programming.

Oh, man. Like, let's talk about very simple programming. You push a button on a keyboard. That controls like the amount of voltage going through a certain gate or whatever, which results in, it's a very simple, if this, then that. We've gotten to the point where, you know, 15, 20 years ago before modern AI, you'd be like, oh, it's, you know, three million lines of code to produce this massive software program. I shouldn't say 20 years ago, like 10 years ago.

Now we're at the point with the large language models where we actually don't know what the code is. There's no source code. Maybe two or three years ago there was code. And it was basically just predicting the next word. We're past that. now. We actually can't see the, like, there's just too many variables at this point. So when people say it's programmed to do it, actually that's, that's not correct. But it's, it's been trained or instructed or grown. Well, it got to the point where we stopped being able to perceive the if,

this, then that, that's the point. And then once it got past that point, we didn't know exactly what was happening, but we're inputting things. So I'll put it like this. Maybe it's possible at some point we do figure it out. But it's very much like some dude very early on seeing the first radio transmission where he's like, I have no idea how or what's happening. But with these wires here, the sounds coming out over there. And they're going like, this is incredible. And then they started to define it and figure out what it was. So these AIs, they're at the point now where we no longer can see the programming because the variables are too great. And we're going, well, if I change that number from a four to a 12, it gives me a different response.

I don't know why, but it's a better response. That's what training is. And it's not a single person doing the training. It's all of us. So when we interact with AI, we are adjusting its values. People at ChatChief at OpenAI cannot watch in real time 100 million people turning knobs that are adjusting values. They're just sitting back being like, the more people use it,

the more it's learning and advancing. Yeah, this just says the early AI was easy to identify. You're saying coding. It was from 1950s to 1980s, mostly coded. And then it was 2010. They started doing machine learning. And instead of writing rules, you write an algorithm that then starts to learn. So basically to try and simplify where we're at, when you get asked a question, and it happens all the time.

Chachip-T will be like, which response do you prefer? you say, I like this one over this one. Sam Maltman can't see that response. And it's happening millions of times per hour, probably. All of those are adjusting the knobs, the trillions of variables inside these machines, and they don't know how that affects what's happening inside that machine.

All they know is everybody keeps telling it. I like this and I don't like that. So inside the machine changes and it's forming to what people say yes and no to. Let's grab some more. Micah says, I want to go to college for coding in 2021 because I love it, and it's already obsolete. Just with codex, I built software for my company with a total half million lines of code in two weeks. Indeed.

The game that I'm working on, I had it write for me 40,000 lines of JavaScript in about 15 minutes. For the record, what would it take, I'm going to ask this, what would it have cost me to get a developer to write 40,000 lines of code 15 years ago? TechRoo says inside of you there are two wolves and they are always on their phones. That's a good one. It's good. It says that a regular industry professional would have written 10 to 50 lines of code per day. You said 40,000? In 10 minutes.

15 minutes. It was 10 to 50 and now it's 40,000. It's also 15 years ago. You should ask it. Yeah, ask it five years ago. It's probably not that different. Probably not that different. Watch the AI is just lying to you being like, trust me, I'm valuable.

You would have spent like $100 an hour getting these guys to write at a thousandth of the pace that you're working at now. Now you pay $9. I believe that the game that I... A scenario, $1.28 million. That's what it said. Estimated scenario of a U.S. contractor mid-range, $100.000. $40,000 lines. So the game that I have done right now, I would estimate the total production cost pre-Astra would have been about $80,000.

The game works, the Astro works at the speed of light. 24-7. So when it's doing play testing, you can watch a screen, and it goes, that's my favorite part of the whole process is watching that. So it's like, when I used to make games,

it's like, okay, I gave the ability of the character to use magic missiles or cone of coldness. Now I got to play, load the game. I have the debug menu. I'll be like, give the character the staff, and then I'll start using it, and I'm watching, and then I'll look in the logs, and I'll be like,

okay, there's a damage variable problem. for some reason it's only outputting 20 damage per second, but it needs to be variable between 15 and 25. That process, which would have taken me five to 10 minutes of navigating, is a millisecond for Astro. This is saying it would have taken, this is five years ago, it would have taken 1,600 developer days to get this thing done that you did in three days.

1,600 days divided by, I don't know how many developers you would have used, 10 of them, 160 days, half a year. It's putting it together in C-sharp, I think. Yeah, C-sharp's the basic. The programming language today is English. Modern English is your programming language. Because it's just prompt. It can turn it into any language for you on the spot.

It knows all of them. That's probably right- That's why there was this math teacher who went viral in China for saying stop teaching Chinese kids English. We don't need to do that anymore. So it's calculating the total lines of code so far. I don't know what it's going to come out.

Maybe it's less. Yeah. It's more. Rough numbers, but dear God. I mean, this is the level of change that people need to understand. It's, it's... Okay, no, no, yeah. So currently it has 41,000 lines of code.

This game I built from scratch starting Saturday. It's roughly a millionth of the cost, and you built it 50 times faster. So, yeah, what does happen to all of the people who are suddenly useless in the, with in the face of AI and industry? all of the people. They got to learn to truck. They got to learn to truck. So I asked it based on not just the lines of code, but the

art as well, how many man hours would it have taken in 2021? I love that. Roughly 3,000 to 6,000 in-person hours as of 2021 for combat testing, inventory, the card system, the card game itself. Yep. And so it

says between 18, oh my God, I was way wrong. I said I thought, I was like, I think I'd gotten six months worth of work done in a weekend. it says 18 to 36 months for a full-time developer. Wow. Six to 12 months for a coordinated three-person team. Did you write it from the ground up or did you grab a bunch of...

Ground up. Oh, yeah, yeah. No, no, no, hold on. This is including that I bought animations. So it did make its own animations, but I said, stop. I don't feel like spending time on art direction. The code doesn't exist. I need specific...

I mean, there's certain code somewhere, but you need specific code for the parameters that you. want. So just do it. Done. Art, on the other hand, requires me to visually confirm the art. Waste of time. Someone already animated a bunch of characters. I just buy it from them. That's still faster and easier. It sounds like, to answer your question of what are people going to do, become digital artists. If you can produce badass animations, I mean, that's going to be supplanted pretty quick. My God. But also, if you become a digital artist, how much digital art is really needed? Like, and why are people going to pay for it? We got to have George Alexopoulos on a

How were people going to pay for it? He's very good, yeah. He's a brilliant hand artist. He draws and paints. He had a great thing out today. Did you see his thing today? It was the, you know, Haitian, black Catholic holdout juror in the Lindsay Clancy trial. Oh, yeah.

Just these deranged women screaming at him. Yeah, it was good. You really sustained. So it's giving me the total cost. It says that the total cost of production so far for this game in 2021 would be $260,000 on average. Oh, like, based on

mean hourly wage for a video game developer. However, here's the truth. This game works 24-7 with no, Astro works 24-7

with no overtime, and it is faster and more precise than any human I've ever worked with. Doesn't complain? No complaints. When there's an issue,

I say, like, I've had an issue with a ladder animations. Somehow in the court, like the character animations are done, and then we, like, update one thing

and it causes a bug on the ladder animation. I just go, the latter animation is glitching out again, please restore it. And it goes, done. I've actually been improving my grammar and my ability to communicate with AI because I'm prompting it and I'm prompting it so intricately. You have to be super precise about what to and what not to do with these things. So every time I talk to it, I leave these like exorbitant paragraphs with them.

And it's like I write like in Shakespearean almost like, if you think comma, but for a moment, comma, period, period, period, period, then comma, I abhor or I, I, I, I, I, encourage you or I implore you to reconsider that we might do it this way. Look, give me a database of a string down of positives and I'll give that that's how I talk to my AI. Do you find that that impacts how you talk to human being? The last three weeks I've been way more fluid on this show. I'm way more fluid. So if you use it for idiocy, you're going to become more of an idiot. I'm going to embellish your intelligence. You're going to become smarter. It has been coding 24-7 non-stop since Saturday. The game is about to finish. I think

Minimum viable product will be done tomorrow. That's not fair. That's not fair. Are you going to release it? Beta, yes. So I think a playable game will be ready tomorrow for our elite members in the Discord to start playtesting. Because we want to go through and check bugs. The animation does need some refining only because I want to maximize the timing between hits and things.

Red's Descent. So it's a roguelike dungeon crawl game with a bunch of items. easily expandable. And then what I'm going to do is with the MVP, I'm going to slowly roll out new playable characters, new zones, new dungeons. I can easily make, here's what's crazy. The game's done. I can just type a prompt. Okay, we're doing the expansion pack. It's going, right now it's a haunted tower dungeon theme. And so it's got like the butchery is grotesque meat hooks. There's like the royal quarter and the, you know, it's the demons layer. The next expansion can be the Elvish city.

And I'll say, let's do, we're going to do 20 new levels, five zones, four levels each. Following the similar theme, we need new items, literally in one prompt. And it'll go, okay, it'll generate it all overnight, and I'll come in in the morning, and the game is done and playable. That's where we're at right now, literally two years of work in several hours. I just don't know who's going to buy it if you don't have an incest to us homosexual. Narrative. Oh, no, no, that's in there. Okay, good.

Yeah, I made sure to put it... Well, I was hoping to sell it to a studio. And so we put a... We put gay sex in there and grand stuff. And the reveal is the main character is a female, and there's cut scenes with her. What I'm going to do is at the very end, the goal is...

Then she really... You get the wishing stone. And so you don't know why. So the story is, the demon king has the great wishing stone. All manner of creature and man want to fight their way to the dungeon and defeat the champion

so that the demon king grants you the wishing stone so that you can get whatever you want. And you're wondering like, what does she want? Like, why is she risking her life? And it's very clear in the beginning of the cut scene. And they're like, you're going to die. Finally, which is the wishing stone. She wishes to be a man. Plot twists.

The demon king is her fathered. He apologizes for him. He's like, no, what are you doing here? I kicked you out when you started that Onlyfans account. And then she's like, give me the stone. I wish we were a family again. Ah, not if you're saying. still doing that. But I have the wishing

stuff. I don't care. Not in my house. Out under my roof. Not under my room. Not in my dungeon. I pay the bills. I make the rules. Well, the whole, I mean, good lord. So now we've got to build organizational tools so a million people can make a trillion games and then you'll have access to all of them and you'll know where they are.

You'll know what's what. Basically, the thing about the game dev is that it's able to do all the coding but it doesn't really understand what humans like. It just knows how to make things. So one of the things is like, I was like, okay, we want to do a dungeon. We want this levels.

It made a dungeon map. I had to tell it. I had to give it precision. And then it was like it needed direction. It needed project management. Here's my fear. Not very few people are going to be able to do this. A lot of, as it is right now, a lot of people will be able to pull up Astra and say, I want this game.

What I will say is it was not hard work. It was vision. I'm not suggesting the game is good or anything like that. I'm saying the game was built on vision and understanding general gamification and mechanics, not on hard work. So if you are someone who likes playing video games, here's the crazy reality. I guarantee my boy Andy can make the best RPG ever made. He's played Final Fantasy since he was a little kid.

He's played every single RPG. He knows every secret to every RPG, but he's not a developer. now that he can code in English, he knows what makes a good game because he loves them. He can tell it. Do this, do that, do this. It'll do it. And then they'll say, yeah, but you got to do this for this reason.

There's a lot of people who can't do that. So very few people are going to be able to be the visionaries for making these games. You know what I found in improving your vision, your ability to convey vision to these machines is you tell it what you want, what your end goal is, what kind of game it is. And then you say, give me a layout of all your suggestions of how to make it better with the potential positive outcomes and the potential drawbacks, send me all the things you want to avoid and why, and then it will draw you up and then make it think as deep as it can.

So you basically like, give me all your ideas and tell me what might go wrong. And it will give you the list and then give you all the guardrails and then you're like, do it. And then it just, can we just, we're going to go to the uncensored portion of the show right now, but I really hope people understand a couple of things. Because I know a lot of people don't care about AI. It's the biggest news right now, not by choice. We cover the biggest news.

When Andrew Yang goes out and gets four million views or whatever on a clip where he says the AI is spreading itself throughout the internet. But I also don't think people understand when I can compress $300,000 worth of labor into a few days. What that means for the economy. And I want you to understand this, guys. This did not exist two weeks ago. Astra just came out. I have used GPT Sol. I have used these AI models.

And I've been like, yeah, whatever. on this show, on the uncensored portion, I made a game called Alien Invaders. It was a little square, and it fired little squares up at other little squares that were trying to get past you. That was what? When did I do that?

Seven months ago or whatever? Something like that. A year ago? There were no graphics, and that was the extent. I told Claude, I said, Super Mario World was made in 1992.

Make that right now. It could not do it. It made this, it was a little square that could jump and there were green squares. That's all it was. And I was like, this is terrible. And I asked it, how is it that you have access to all of the code for the last 30 years and you cannot make something as sophisticated as Super Mario World? I said, I can't do it. Today, with Fable and Claude, that's not a question anymore.

In fact, the jump from GPT Sol to Astra is the difference between I need to D.E. hire a human being, spend $300,000 to get this game done, and two weeks later, it's $200 bucks for the subscription and the game is done in four days. We're going to go to the uncensored portion at rumble.com slash timcast. Smash the like button, share the show. Follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast. Good buddy. You want to shut anything out?

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lurking. So check me out there. And real quick, just for those asking, the game that I have should be just about finishing up a minimum viable product. It's unfair to say MVP. It's going to be an alpha. And I said that only because no one else has played it. I think just Ian and Mark have played it. So while it theoretically may be at the point of an MVP in terms of normal game dev, because it's not actually been played by anybody, I'm going to call it an alpha test or a beta test. That's going to be available to the timcast.com elite members, which is, these are the legit, you know, cream of the crop of Timcast members. It's not, you know, it's 100 bucks a month. So we're releasing it just because.

because we're going to give them a free copy to play, and we're going to ask you guys and the elite members to contribute ideas, maybe art, whatever you want to be involved in. Then, once we get through and we think it's like, okay, this is working, we're going to release it to all Timcast members for a general alpha test. And then once everyone agrees like, yo, this is cooking, we're going to publish it everywhere. I think we'll publish where we can. Obviously, the easy one is Steam, and we're going to look into consoles and all that. We got to map the console controls. So anyway, Libby. I'm Libby Emmons, and you can find me on Twitter at Libby Emmons.

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