Timcast IRL - Rogue Judge Gets NO JAIL TIME After Helping Illegals Evade ICE w/ Lauren Southern

Episode Date: July 9, 2026

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Former Wisconsin Judge Hannah Dugan. You guys remember her. She's the one that had helped an illegal alien escape the clutches of ice. She has avoided jail time for obstructing arrest of an illegal immigrant. So we're going to talk about that. We've got some more information on the big court case or the, I guess, the deposition that's going on now, I think, of Charlie Kurt's, what was that? It's a pretrial hearing. Oh, pre-trial hearing, my bad.

of Charlie Kirk's suspected assassin. The roommate has been given immunity. So we're going to talk about that a little bit. There is some big news about H-1B visa fraud, right? Like there's a big investigation that's started by the Justice Department. I think they should just end the H-1B visa program altogether, but that's just me. And then we're going to be talking about the war in Iran again because, you know, it just never ends. It's just going to be bombing, bombing, bombing.

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Joining us tonight to talk about this and all sorts of other things you know where you love her, Lauren Southern. Thanks for having me. Who are you? What do you do? I am a documentary filmmaker, been on the show a few years ago, and I recently wrote a book called This Is Not Real Life. And now I'm here in Vegas. I was here to talk to Tim, but he's not here. So I don't know what to do with that So we're chopped liver Lisa's here

Hi, I'm back I don't know if you're gonna love that or hate that But here I am Ian's here is the book This is not real life about the internet It is about the internet That's pretty cool It's about the internet

It's about all of the kind of Drama behind the scenes In the political world What's really going on I only say I was here to talk to Tim Because I'll be honest The last episode of Timcast I watched Was the episode where he reviewed my book

And said I was lying about everything So I wanted to confront him drama drama and show them all the evidence that i was telling the truth not just for myself but for the 40 plus other victims of the tape brothers and their human trafficking campaign but we not here today i will i will talk smack about your book and then you can go ahead and reprimand me uh carters in the back hold what's up everyone so it's so good to have all of you here lisa loren ian and phil uh let's get into it all right so uh we're going to start off with uh this story from Fox News about the Wisconsin judge and then we'll get into the drama. So former Wisconsin judge Hannah Dugan avoids jail time for obstructing arrest of illegal immigrants. Former Wisconsin judge Hannah Dugan, Judge Hannah Dugan was ordered Wednesday to pay $5,000 fine for obstructing the arrest of an illegal immigrant at a courthouse but will not serve any prison time at all.

I think this is a situation where an otherwise good person upset by immigration policies in this country made a bad decision in the moment, said U.S. District Judge, Judge. Lynn Edelman. Dugan 66 was convicted of felony obstruction last year after federal agents attempted to serve a warrant to Eduardo Flores-Ruez on April 18th, 2025. She was acquitted of concealing an individual to prevent an arrest, a misdemeanor. She faced up to five years in prison. Prosecutors had asked that Dugan be sentenced to between 15 and 21 months. Look, if you are actually aiding and abetting a criminal and you get charged with a felony,

you should go to jail, right? Like that shouldn't, you shouldn't be able to avoid jail time just because you're a judge. What do you think, Lisa? I wasn't really honestly paying attention. So I have a question. Is she allowed to still be a judge? No, she's just, she's been disbarred.

So then that's a good thing. I do think she should be penalized. I think that people keep getting away with a lot of things lately. It's felony obstruction. Yeah, I think it's a disgrace. But our justice system is obviously very, very extremely broken in more ways than one. And I don't say it getting better anytime soon. So

you have all these activisty judges, of course, or DAs and all that, of course she's going to get let off. And it's like, I don't know why anybody's surprised. I mean, like a $5,000 fine. I don't know exactly what a judge. That's not enough. No, but I don't know what a judge gets paid. But I imagine it's it's probably either six figures or approaching six figures. Five thousand dollars seems very, very, like it's a very small amount for for something that's a felony, right? It sounds like a slap on the wrist, yeah. Guys, we have to, we have to address this Lauren thing now, because that's all I can think about.

This doesn't mean anything. Like, I need to know. I need to know right now. Like, I'm sitting here and I'm like, I need to know. I respect that. I like, look at this. You can't just, like, have put an elephant on the table that kickover articles and pretend, like I thought you were going to do it for a minute.

I was very impressed. Me? I was not. Lisa has very little self-control. No, it's not that I have self-control. It's just like the audience is very bad. No, I know. You don't have self-control.

It's not like I have self-control. Keep going. Like, the audience heard that, right? I heard that. I'm shocked. Lauren did say, I bet right, like, right before we start, she goes, I bet you don't have any idea what I'm going to say. And now I was like, no, I pretty much do know you, Lauren, right?

No, I did not. You were correct. I really respect that when we were talking, you're like, we've been going over the same 10 topics on the show over and over again for the last decade. 10 years. For the last 10 years. Well, the truth is all politics is that.

Yes. It is 100%. I was complaining that, like, I don't maybe not have enough anything to really contribute. because we've been having the same conversation about the same topics. And it's the same dialogue tree where you can't watch political content anymore because you can predict every single thing.

Every commentator is going to say because if you go off the plantation of the 20 potential talking points, you can get kicked out of the small pool of commentators that exists right now. I don't even know if it's that. I think that people are so ingrained in how they already feel

that they stick and then they don't want to change or they don't want to evolve. And then they drag their heels. They're like in the trenches. And they're like, no, no, no. This is my vision. And like, but you also know their personalities. Like I know James is going to say like he was on last night.

I know what you're going to say. I know what Ian's going to say. No. Lauren's going to say for the most part. So I'm like, I don't enjoy political commentary anywhere because I already know where they're going to go or they're going to end up. Political commentary though. I was still a libertarian guy and I'm definitely not a libertarian.

I've evolved considerably. I was like, you know, like a regular conservative and now I'm like a right-wing authoritarian type person. Yeah. But this is where I think the problem came with that episode you did on my book is there like I don't know the episode, actually. We're talking about the story. Former Wisconsin judge Hannah Dugan avoids jail time.

I've never read anything about this story. If I were on the show three years ago, I would have quickly skimmed it and made up a take so that I didn't have nothing to say. And I saw this with the episode that you guys did on my book where you talk about my allegations against the tape brothers. First of all, I'd say, I wasn't on that one. You were on that one, actually. I was? Yes. Was I?

Or maybe it was the after show that you were on. I can't remember if you were, but Tim said Lauren is lying. I think she's lying because she did this to make money. Now, I could come out with a month or two of YouTube video ads and make more than I made off my entire book in over a year. I don't understand why you wrote that book. Why did I write that book? Because I wrote it for me when I was younger. I actually just got an email two days ago from a young girl who said I used to watch your videos when I was younger.

And I fell into kind of believing everything in the media world was real. It almost ruined my life. And I read your book and it helped me get out of that. So I wrote it to help people understand that. I felt bad for you when you wrote that because you got a lot of backlash, right? And it was like you were airing your own dirty laundry and that's something my parents told me never to do, right? I do tell my shit and like own a lot of stuff.

Like, I'm a hot mess. People know that, right? But like, or times I can make. Well, here's the thing. I joined the UK court case. I've already testified in the Romanian court case. My information was going to be leaked. The Tate brothers already have actually just recently got pulled in to court on 11 separate charges of trying to intimidate

and destroy the reputations of witnesses. The second I joined those cases, there was going to be a mass campaign against me. My name was going to be all over the place, and the Tate Brothers were going to be able to just slander me all over the board. They already paid Milo Yanopolis, his firm Tarantula, to try to destroy my reputation before. He came out with articles about me in 2019,

post the incident that helped destroy my reputation. So it was kind of a, I can come out with my story and then join the cases and testify, or they can come out with their campaigns and bots to try to destroy my reputation. Either way, my reputation, Either way, my reputation is getting dragged through the mud, but I was the only one with medical evidence from the time. If you own it, then it's your, then you own it. Then at least I get to tell my story.

So I had medical evidence from the time. Somehow I was able to predict years before they were famous that his MO was strangulation, three years before the vice article came out saying that's what he did to all the other victims in the UK. It would be literally impossible for me to get a DeLorean and come back in time and decide to make up all this and make a medical report. know the M.O. Just to sell a book that I've made barely any money off of in 20, 25. Can you give a little context for the viewers that aren't familiar with the situation about what you're talking about? Because there are people in the chat that are talking. They're not sure. So if you don't know who Andrew Tate is somehow, he is currently on trial in both the UK and the US for something else and Romania for sex trafficking. He ran a webcam industry where he

brought girls in, convinced them they were in love. He was going to marry them, took their passports and made them do sexual content. The charges are against, there's 40 plus victims, both in the UK and Romania, and some of them are underage. They just recently, actually, was just the last week that it came out, that they made over a million dollars on a 17-year-old that they were sexually trafficking and sleeping with. And I didn't know at the time in 2018, but Tommy Robinson brought me out to meet Tate, claiming he was going to be a business investor for a kind of right-wing company we would make. And I went to a, it's all very convoluted, We went and had this business meeting.

It was a total disaster. Tate and his team call and say, this was in Romania at their little compound. But what year? This was 2018. In the very beginning, like January, February, 2018. And then they invite me to a club. I have two drinks, get completely wasted somehow,

like blackout drunk. Tate brings me back to the hotel room. Strangles me, assaults me. Crazy incident. I go to a hospital. I report it. I don't want to make it a big media deal. And then years later, he starts going viral online for having human trafficking, mass assault, rape cases, all these things. And I'm feeling guilty as hell because I know I have contemporary medical evidence and text message evidence that I can give to the courts. But I don't want to deal with the online shitstorm that's going to come from that. I'm literally the girl who built her career on, you know, I'm not a feminist. All these women are lying. Da-da-da-da-da. So I sit on this evidence for years and years and years. And eventually, after various kinds of kind of career incidents, including the tenant media scandal, my text messages with Stephen being released, all this kind of stuff. I'm like, why am I sitting here on this pile of lies that I'm telling

that make me miserable? I need to just tell the truth about all of it, join the court cases, take a step back from media, and get my head back in order, because I think all of this is kind of built on bullshit. But it's not even about me. Like, to me, I don't care if people are sympathetic with me. You can hate me, love me, don't care anymore. There are 40 plus women that are victims that needed my evidence, that needed my testimony out there, and I'm happy to help them. And on this show, I don't think Tim did any research on the case. I don't think people read, because no one reads the headlines. It's just so quick hit news. All of these podcasts. I don't even remember. I mean, I'd be honest. Being honest, it's selfish. It's like, it personally affected me, the

headline stuff. Oh, we're just going to read the headline. Give it hot take on it. Well, that's a friend of mine of 10 years. I'm going to be honest. It personally affected me. And that's when I started caring, which is fucked. It's fucked. I'm going to be honest. Before I knew you, okay, right? Because we met what, probably 20, 22, 21, something like that, like in person. I had, you know, I worked with Tommy. I started working with him in 2018.

And then it wasn't, but he was in prison, basically. So it wasn't until, like, he got out in, like, October, November. So that was after your incident. However, I had heard things about you prior. I'm sure you had. Prior to me. One, and the stuff with the Andrew Tate stuff wasn't that, wasn't anything really bad. It was just like, oh, you know, Lauren was there and she was, you know, kissing him outside his door and, like, she was really into it.

That was basically it. Yeah, that's the story Tommy told. And then he also went publicly after and said that I traveled back to Romania to see him again. Now, the problem with Tommy's stories and the way that he lies is he'll just go a little too far. He said I went back to Romania in his debunking. Unfortunately, I have evidence. that I never returned to the country. I have travel documents that show that.

And I've submitted this and I've publicly posted it and Tommy will never respond to that. He couldn't give a date. I went to the country because it would overlap with another place I was publicly. He lied. But what you lied and he will never respond to me. But I could say that.

So wait, I'm going to say that. But I could say that about kind of like the Kalin and George thing. When you said that like Kaylan and George were mad, like Tommy was mad when you came back because Kayle and George were working with you and they weren't there.

But I know that they were there because they met us at a bar that night in a thing, right? Sorry, where, what? You said in one of your books or your things that, Kaylin and, like, Tommy was really angry because Kaylin and George were working with you and your documentary and you guys were down,

and you and I discussed this before. And you were down in, like, they weren't there when he got out of jail to, like, do, to work for him and do his videos. This is what you said somewhere. You and I have gone on. He was a little frustrated that we were splitting the time. I don't remember the exact.

But, like, they went back and visited him lots. You and I had discussed us before. But so what I'm saying is, like, you were upset that, you know, like you, I said to you, like, no, no, no, they were there because, um, I know because I saw them at a bar or whatever and they were with Tommy and getting him or putting it. My point is, is that like, that is just like a different perspective. It's not a different perspective.

I have evidence. I have evidence that has been signed by lawyers and I have a passport that shows I never returned to the country. But maybe he's, I have text messages from tape to his war room saying, I'm not saying that. I'm saying maybe he were never going to make an investment. We brought her here because I'm a pimp. He said this. in text messages that I have

who said that? Tate. No, no, but I was like, Tommy said you go back to Romania. Yes, Tommy said that and he said, somebody told him that. So then why would he go online and say he knows that for a fact?

Because maybe he's trusting whoever said that. But I wouldn't necessarily attribute it that to Malice. When it has to do with a Muslim grooming gang, maybe he should be a little more careful. I'm just saying that like, don't attribute that.

Not to mention he's received tens of thousands of dollars from the Tate brothers. I don't know that. This is proven. as well. But my point is, I'm saying don't attribute that to malice. I wouldn't consider a lie. Maybe he got the information wrong. But like...

The other day, he reported that I worked for Hope Not Not Hate, which Hope Not Hate then responded to and said, not only as she never worked for us, we got her banned from the UK, which is true. And Tommy's met with us multiple times. I published multiple responses to Tommy's lies about me, which he will never respond to. Ask him, give a date.

When did Lauren return to Romania? Ask him. When did Lauren return to Romania? He won't be able to give one because he's lying Lisa. And he's lying to protect his ass because he brought me out there knowing full well who Tate is because they worked together in Luton when they were gangsters when they were younger. Listen, I've been working for a really long time. I don't see him like trying to pick you out. I don't disagree. I don't disagree with the people who are fighting for a better Britain. I don't disagree with the people who are pissed off with the grooming gangs. I don't disagree

with the people who are patriots and want their country back. But they're getting scammed and lied to by people. Look at the Unite the Kingdom rally. The UTK. That was rug pulled immediately after the rally by Tommy and his friends. That's insane. This has proven. How much money was lost in that? You can go look at the data on that. Pilmico or Plimico Journal did a huge piece on it.

They're just fleecing its groundhog day of fake, fake court cases over and over and over again. Yes, they are. I'm involved in them. They're not fake court cases. I promise you they're not. So why did he plead guilty to the case with, um, The young Muslim boy, the defamation case. He actually didn't plead guilty?

No, look, what happened? People can Google this. He walked in and said he needed hundreds of thousands of dollars for his defense and then he pled guilty. He did. He did need hundreds of thousands of dollars because there was, he was still trying to get, he was still trying to get silenced out is what, what the case was, right? Have you read the Hajazi court case? I haven't read the court case.

So you're involved in, but you haven't read it because I'm helping him. I'm helping him get his lawyers because I was involved in a lot of that stuff because I was there when we met for, met Bailey and interviewed Bailey and all that stuff happens. So do you know who Bailey is? Yes, I know who Bailey is and I know his mother. Bailey, Bailey's the kid who got the, like waterboarded or whatever, the kid. Do you know who his dad or his brother is? He doesn't even, I don't care who his brother is.

One of Tommy's very good friends, Reese, who they did dealing together with. Let me just say this. Which is why he came out and defended Bailey. Reese, Reese, we didn't even know them because when I was there. So you're saying Tommy doesn't know his brother? He didn't until that day. He didn't know it was...

I swear to you on everything I was... I love because we had just met them. He never met his brother, Reese. No. Okay, because he has posts online of showing they were bestmates together that I'll post out. I'm telling you right now, when I went up there to Huddersfield, we, we introduced, we were introduced. We were introduced. I'll post it on Twitter after this.

We were introduced to Bailey. I was introduced to Bailey and his mom. I'm the one that found the Airbnb for them to stay at when they were being attacked and all of that. The girl who said that she was, the girl who said she was attacked by Jamal Hajazi, when they went to court, do you know what happened? The girl who said she was attacked in the hockey field incident. She took it back. She didn't just take it back. There was evidence that it didn't happen.

She said that she was on medication. She said that she had to go to therapy. The doctor said not only was she not on any medication. She said she went and got a hospital report. None of this was true. She was afraid of the people who were threatening her. So she made up that there was a hospital report medication that she was taking because she was afraid of the people threatening her. And then the other mother who said her kids were attacked by Hajazi,

messaged Tommy and said, please, I lied. I just wanted attention from you. Because they were getting threatened. by Muslim people in the community. That is why. Yes, Lauren, that's why. There's no evidence that hijazzi beat those girls black and blue.

That is why Tommy lost the defamation case. That is why he lost the defamation case. That's fine. But I will tell you right now, those people were being rounded. Like, we had to go get their clothes out of a building. I'm not denying. I'm not denying.

Gangs people riding around in a circle in Huddersfield, okay, riding around us to threaten those people. Lisa, I don't deny that there was probably threats going. There was threats going on on both sides. The family, the Hajazi family had to get CCTV. They had to pull the kids out of school. They had to move neighborhoods. And I'm sure the other way around,

because politics is incredibly radicalized with insane people on both sides who don't read court cases, who don't care about the facts, who are willing to make up things. I was there for all of it. Tommy admitted that his initial post saying that he beat girls black and blue were untrue. No, we had them. This is what they said.

We had stacks of, and we brought them with us to meet them for that interview. Stacks of Facebook documents, like printouts of people saying that this is how this guy behaves. Including the woman who said that. Yes, that was in there. She lied and she made this there. Yes. And then, but it wasn't in that when we first met them and interviewed Bailey, those that like her retraction wasn't in there. We went and interviewed him with his original post with all that evidence. Tommy had the stacks of paper in his hands. I would encourage people to go read the case themselves or go read my article on substack about it because it's the evidence is

pretty compelling if you read it. But this is like, we now are in the, What's the synops? My point is that, so we wanted to know why she read the book. Yeah, this is kind of a, right now this is actually kind of. I'm not even smoking them, dude. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Bro. Don't take this as some kind of insult.

I like, let me finish. Stop. Enough. This is kind of devolved into an argument between two people about a third person. Right. And Tim's not here. No, well, no, it's not even about Tim. It's about time.

I need a bottle open. This is very important right now. Oh, God forbid. No wonder why you're on the booze. God forbid. So the point is, so you wrote the book, and then Tim said that you were lost. Did he say the words you're lying? Yeah, he said, I think she's lying.

And you know what? I actually don't mind if he just says we don't know or we don't care. Because this isn't even about me. Like, yes, the story about me was the thing that triggered it because I obviously know this story is true. And I'm like, man, that's a wild way to handle a story. And I don't think you read the evidence. I don't think you even read my posts about it.

It's about how we handle all of these stories. because I've been on Timcast before. I've done this show. And it's, we pull up these headlines, we comment on them without reading the legal case, without reading any of the documents, and you just come up with a hot take. And it actually affects people's lives,

and it affects the listeners, and it affects people's intelligence. And this is, like, even if you guys are kind of against the Candace Owensification conspiracy stuff, I think the way that the right-wing ecosystem is formed right now, just trying to get hot takes as quick as possible, is resulting in the step. I'm not missed stuff being amplified.

Do you think that that's just the right wing? No, of course, but it's like this tit for tat. Everyone was like, well, the left wing media lied. So now we have to be retards too. That's not really what I'm thinking. Like, great. The point that I'm making, it's not about the right wing or the left wing or who's worse or whatever. Right now, the way that people get their information is all hot takes, right?

Well, that's the entire, that's the entire design of like X, people's Facebook feeds are very rarely. Are they actually, you know, they don't, they don't actually lay out stories or if they do they have like a you know a headline and then a you know a link to an article that they likely haven't read um and i mean i'll be look i'll be the first person to admit that there have definitely been times where i'll see an article on x or something like that and i'll i'll retweet the article without reading the whole thing i'll like you know just read the headline or whatever it's just how the media ecosystem works now so do you think so you think that's just you know kind of that's kind of the way that modern information is is disseminated i mean it's a race to the bottom it's a race to the bottom it's a race to the bottom because you can't compete unless you're getting the takeout as soon as possible. Do you guys know what AI model collapses? No. When AI is just learning from itself essentially, so it just gets increasingly like deep-ride. This is what's happening with journalism. It's like journalism model collapse. We're all taking, no one's going into the real world and getting stories anymore. Even when Tim started,

like I know Tim from 10 years ago because we used to go to protests together in the street and do firsthand journalism. Now, it doesn't economically make sense to, go and do journalism. It makes sense to steal stories from other people and comment on them. And then we're stealing stories from people who weren't there, from people who weren't there, from people who weren't there that are sitting in their basements and not experiencing real life. And we're having a collapse of any legitimate conversation. Like, all of the people online are talking about phenomenons that no one in day-to-day life cares about for the most part. It's just like complete collapse. Or that we should care about. It's like what I say. Like I, we should,

We should not be interested in what's happening, you know, a million miles. We should be interested in what's happening in our community. Is that what you're saying? We should be interested in what's happening in Israel. That's fine. That's right. They're not a million miles away. You said, you don't know where Tim is on the Candace.

What were you trying to get at there? I was just curious. Oh, I said, I don't know how you guys feel about the Candace Owen's stuff, but. I feel like I don't want to amplify insanity. And I don't know if I feel like Candace is experiencing madness at a level that she's never experienced before. But she's confused in a lot of pain. And so she's just looking for her. I love how you just like toss confused in a lot of.

He's making a lot of money. Well, she's also, Charlie was a buddy of her. I think it's Tim's position. But I don't necessarily think that's mine. I mean, not like I don't know her. But she's making money, Ann, she's, Charlie was her friend. I think she's doing it for her. I think she's 100% believes it.

And whatever, whatever reason that is because she believes it, I don't know, it's not my business, but like I do think she believes it in her heart. I don't think she's doing it for the bathroom and I don't want to miss a beat, but let me say about skepticism in media. If you pull up an article like Lauren's story and you don't believe it, the best thing to say is, I don't know if that's true. I don't know if that's true. I don't believe it.

Rather than say, that's a lie. If you don't know it's a lie, just try not to claim it without evidence that it is a lie. And just because something's untrue doesn't necessarily mean it's a lie. Maybe they got the information from someone else and they thought it was true. So they were wrong, but they weren't lying. There's like two sides every story. There's like gray things and people have their own versions of things. And then there's the truth.

A lie is, if you're going to, this is maybe semantics, but lies are motivated. And if you get something wrong, you get something wrong. But the question is, do people actually want to push a narrative regardless of whether or not it's true? Or are they actually just getting something wrong? See, I'd be okay with accepting that Tommy just made a mistake. If he responded to any of my, like I just retweeted, you can go to my Twitter and check out my response to him. Power to free speech. He never responded to me debunking him.

If he was interested in truth, he would say, wow, Lauren, I'm really sorry. Someone told me you traveled back to Romania, but I got that wrong. And because I care about months and grooming games. Thank you. I'm going to look into this a little further. But the problem is he's friends and he's complicit and he's in too deep. The funny thing is, is like when you say he's friends with the tape brothers, yes. I have text with him where he was irritated with the tape brothers. Of course he's irritated because their connection is wrecking his reputation with his. No, he was irritated with them because of their like turned to Islam for a while or whatever, like going to whatever. Not that I'm

human trafficking. Correct. But whatever. My point is like he was irritated with them. So like to, to blindly defend them for whatever. Like, I don't want to get into the Tommy stuff. But to blindly defend them, like, I don't, I don't think that that's, like, his motivation there because there's times where he's been increasingly irritated with them. He's like, you know, they're encouraging people to, you know, turn to Islam and things like that. They were for a period of time. I don't think they're doing that anymore.

Yeah, but that's all an act, too. That's all paid for act. Just like Tommy gets paid to promote the IDF or whatever. Everyone's getting paid. Come on. He would laugh about it at bars with us. He'd say, I'm getting so much money from these people. I knew him in person too.

There were times from like 2018, 2019, he doesn't care because they're being that. He just doesn't like that act because it's bad to be associated with his act. No, I tried to get Jewish donors and people from Israel. You think he just wanted to go on a vacation to Israel and take pictures with the IDF for kicks and giggles? From 2018 to 2020, when I was heavily involved with his MVP campaign and all those Tommy rallies,

I couldn't get Jewish donors to donate to him for any. anything. Okay, well, he's able to get them in the background. Maybe they don't want to be publicly associated. There was one that we had. And you know, I'm not even saying, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that as like some, oh, the Jews, blah, blah, blah. I'm saying this as in like everyone in this space is being foreign funded or corporate funded right now. Like, it's over 50% of the people in, like, I do believe there are political groups. Like, I think Timcast, they came from kind of the original crew of political influencers made money organically for sure. Daily Wire, you know, they're American funded, but like all of the tons of the dissident media, which were supposed to be

attacking the mainstream as being controlled, are now entirely foreign funded and controlled. Like the amount of money coming, I mean, look at the Russia stuff. Okay, look at the tenant media thing. Yeah. All right, we talk about tenant media. We got the deal with tenant media. I ran the cultural war show that was exclusively on there. Tim didn't even know who the guests were till Friday. Okay. Nobody told me the only one person And they ever told me to book with Savannah Hernandez. And I was like, no. Right.

But the idea of the foreign funding isn't, we're going to tell you what to do. It's they find people who are against the mainstream media, because the mainstream media are against Russia. And they try to amplify those people. And I'm not saying, like, just because this is what I had to say in my parliament hearing with the Canadian government, they're like, well, you were paid to say. Which I thought you did really well in that. Thank you.

You were paid to say that Canadians have problems with grocery prices in immigration. And I'm like, I wasn't paid to say that. Those are genuine problems Canadians worry about, right? Those are real problems. But there is a truth that when Russia or China or Israel fund certain people, even if they don't know, I think most of the time they do, there is a purpose behind what they're doing. I've heard this argument, though, that it's like, well. You think they just did it for no, no, no, no. No, but I've heard this argument like, okay, if Russia likes your positions, then maybe you should realize that and reevaluate your position.

So I've heard that. I don't agree with that. I've heard that, right? And I'm thinking, well, that's ridiculous because this is legitimately how we feel. These are the debates that I set up that I thought people would want to see that I thought were important to have. It was both sides of the table. And guess what? The side that I preferred lost a lot of times in a lot of those debates.

So like, I don't think that that's, you know, I think what they want to do is they want to grow. This is what I'm thinking in the end. They wanted to do with 10. It was grow a platform big enough, right, to where it started getting attention. And then they could insert whatever they want on an already big platform. Maybe that was it. But I don't think it's like, you know, they liked what Tim was saying so much. No, I don't think it was that.

I don't think it was either. To Lauren's point, though, like the foreign influence and stuff like that, I mean, you, you maybe you do see. You think anybody we know is an influence by Russia? Let me get a word in here. The point that I'm making. This is a girl's show now. The point that I'm making, because right now, you know, Hassan, Hassan Pikes under investigation for ties to China. And there's definitely a lot of that kind of stuff that comes from the left.

There's allegations. everybody loves to blame Israel for paying everybody. And there are definitely people that are, you know, very pro-Israel and stuff. So the idea that all of the, I guess, independent media is somehow on the take. I think that's overstating it. But there's definitely a significant portion of the independent media that's, you know, found. I know how much. If you rely on ad revenue, you're basically compelled to the corp.

Well, not. It's crowdfunding. That's not what we're talking about, though. We're not talking about like, like, ad money. We're talking about, like, actual foreign influence from countries. But even for tweets, people send, like, there are people that work within the political space that are given large sums of money just to talk to influencers and say, hey, tweet out that you like this candidate. And I've been contacted by these people. I know people who get tons of money doing this all day long.

And none of it is ever going to be discovered until maybe like 10 years from now. It's like any sort of crazy theory. You find out the CIA was doing X, Y, Z, like 50 years later when they release the documents or do the actual studies. And when you're in it and I've lived in the media ecosystem for 10 years, like it's so scary because I see it and I see all of the Stuff that the public don't see and no one's going to talk about it because we're all benefiting too much. There's too much money to be like so take take take take this example people love to say that the NRA pays a lot of people Of course they do but who does yeah well no the but the point that I'm making is the NRA tends to find people that are already pro gun Yeah and fund them. Yeah, right? Do you think that the

situation is, and I think that that's probably the most likely the situation, right? Like, if China is somehow involved in, or China or Cuba, somehow involved in giving Hassan Piker money, they're not given Hassan Piker money to change his opinion. He already has these opinions, and they're just trying to promote him. Yes and no. So like in 20. So how, so the point that I make is how, how disingenuous is it if people are like, oh, this person has these opinions. So let's promote them. But I think it's more convoluted than people even give it credit to. It's like inception. Because I I remember in 2018, I was invited to Russia. And I went there that summer.

And I was invited there by a Belgian politician who, like, I paid for everything, but he just kind of made little suggestions here and there. And he kept insisting, go to the Don Bass and do a story on the Russian oppression there. You need to do this. I can get you military access, this and that. It felt way too weird to me. So I said, no. I go home.

Years later, I find out he was a Chinese spy. He was arrested as a Chinese spy. And not only that years later, I find out, oh my goodness, Russia has invaded the Don Bass based on this exact reason he wanted me to do a documentary on. So that could have felt very genuine. Oh, I have this person that lives in this region telling me I should do a story on this. I'm going to go do that story. Little do I know I'm doing pre-war propaganda for a foreign nation, right? So it's like there are people that are, I think a lot of people are doing it knowingly.

And I think a lot of people are being influenced unwittingly. The bots, too, massive audience capture. People are being pushed to have certain opinions by people paying thousands of bots to say, you're a dumb whore if you don't say this. You're a cock if you don't say that. And it affects, we're all psychologically prone to be affected by this. And then the mass follows what the influencers and the bots say. So you'll get not only a foreign influencer that's funding a creator that they agree with,

but then they'll also potentially be funding bot campaigns to get that creator to change their opinions. 100%. And also about foreign money, like how deep does the inception go? because if I take a contract from an American business that's 20% owned by some guy that owns like 19 companies, one of them's a Russian company, it turns out that his grandpa owns like a Russian oil rig, and he's got like a trust. But that's how it works, right? They're never doing it so that you're going to find where the money is. All of our money is coming from the Bank for International settlements in Switzerland. All of our Federal Reserve money is tied to Swiss money. It's foreign money.

This whole American system is propped up by foreign money right now. I know it's a little more esoteric. We're not talking about direct funding from like a British oligrant. dark. But it's like you got to kind of if you don't, but the thing is also you kind of have an obligation to do diligence where you have to kind of be like, hey, where did you get your money? Where did that guy get his money? And like at some point, you're like, come on. I don't care where your investor's investor, investor got his money from. Like, although it should matter, but like, come on. No, I agree. But that's the problem. I don't really think anyone is to blame for this. It's like, it's just been the slow march towards a certain direction and everyone to survive has

had to kind of acquiesce in it. At least, like, you have to basically commit political suicide to not be playing these games. I think crowdfunding is where it's at. If you can get... People don't trust crowdfunding anymore because there's been so many scams. I used to do crowdfunding back in the day, and then it was like scam after scam after scam. And crowdfunding is getting more difficult unless you have, like, massive media backing already. Like a monthly fee, like nine bucks a month. Yeah. And that's... Yeah, but that's where I think stuff like Timcast and others have managed to build themselves a little more organically from the beginning. But then even Tim got caught up in the tenant stuff and even audience capture is still there. And then you have to

acquiesce to the culture of clickbait to remain relevant. So it's everything is leaning in the direction of we're intellectually screwed. Like become part of the machine or fade away. Yeah. Or start an entirely new technocracy that I mean, I do have faith in Elon's X movement with X. I think he's starting his ex is his ex is his own statement right there. Brother. That's totally good. Governance coming out of Switzerland is like an inevitable force rolling towards us, dismantling nationalism.

Yeah, guys, we got some breaking news here from, uh, that's all right. We've been expecting this actually. Yeah, from NBC. Grant Platner drops out of Senate race allowing Maine Democrats to replace him. His decision comes within days of a key deadline allowing Maine's Democratic Party to select a new candidate to face Republican Senator Susan Collins in a critical contest for Senate control. Carter, let me have that this here for a second.

We're going to play this. Do we have the video? We have a, there's an X video that we have. Here we go. Let me grab this real quick. And then I'll give it back over to you, Carter. I just does that whole right turn. Well, you know, I mean, it's breaking news.

And so breaking news. So we're going to go ahead and love this guy. Let's see. Let's see. Get some audio on that. Yeah, let me get the mouse from you. Yep. Let's take her back to the beginning.

Give it to me Graham. I'm sure we got. Not the tab on the unit. I feel for this guy, dude. I don't. Steam rolled, bro. He did it to, what are he talking about? He did it to himself.

It's the guy that got the Nazi tattoo. He's the guy that was sexting with, allegedly sexting with women that while he was married. He's the guy that had a KIC account, you know, which is a platform that generally has people underage. This is all like his own stuff. This has nothing to do with, there's no reason to feel bad for him. For him. Shout out to Kick, by the way. Well, you know what? Graham Platner isn't here, so we probably shouldn't talk about it.

Talk about him behind his back. Man, I don't know. We have no audio in this? Apparently, you would just mention it? Here, try this. The commentary industry, it is a little facetious because, like, we're changing the world in real time as we talk about what's happening. It's not like it's in a vacuum and we're talking about a piece of plastic on the wall over there.

Like, Graham might see this show tonight later. So, like, whatever we do here is deeply impacting. I mean, but the point is, like, this is actual, like, news from Grand Platner. We're trying to get the audio. I don't think of the audio. Okay. What do you guys think of this, though? What do you think of the accusations and everything?

I think it's weird that the left didn't care about the one that came from a Republican woman, but as soon as it came from a socialist lefty woman, now they care, and now it's believe all women, and now they believe him and now they want him out. But that's really only because he's losing. It's because he's losing. It was a girl he was dating. I don't think he's losing it, like, no, he was behind. He was behind.

What's behind? Yeah, behind. Well, I think, look, I mean, honestly, like, he has enough. Any of the individual allegations against him were probably enough to tank a candidacy, you know, 10 years ago or so. Whether it be sexting or whether it be the... What? Definitely before the internet. Like, well, I mean, honestly, to be fair with it, to be fair, honestly, before Donald Trump, right?

Before Donald Trump, this was kind of the thing that would end a career and at or at least any one individual. allegation was enough to end a career. And now, you know, it takes significant, continuous allegations for him to finally step down. But like this kind of thing is, is nowadays, it takes so much to get someone to be booted from a campaign, you know. Man, I honestly, I do think that a lot of that is because of Donald Trump, just because Donald Trump has always been, has been so like, you know,

I don't care what people say. I'm going to keep doing it. partially it's because i think partially it's because of don't trump and also partially because the the left has been so good at sliming even people like mitt romney right like mit romney was called a nazi they they were saying that mitt romney intentionally killed a dog and republicans just kind of got to the point where they were just like no we don't care what you say because you're going to say all these things anyways and that's a sentiment that you see online a lot right a lot of the people that are like oh you know you're you're a racist blah blah blah and people are just like look unless you have

something some some actual thing that I've said or whatever that's actually racist I don't care what you what accusation you throw up me just because you say oh you this policy means that you're a racist I'm just going to disregard what you say that's kind of where we've gone and that means that allegations like the ones against platinum and stuff like they they get kind of taken with a grain of salt and it takes things mounting over and over before we were talking about the show we're talking about you know male and female ways of like tearing each other apart and one of them is I said female versions like characters assassination. This is a very feminist. This whole like cancel culture thing is a very feminist.

It's not necessarily feminist more is feminine way of like dismantling your opponent. Yeah, but it's on the internet. You can't, you can't expect people to be like, oh, I'm going to go physically get into a confrontation with this guy. You know, it's like when you're dealing with with posting things on the internet, you don't have any other recourse other than to say, well, this person is making these accusations. So I'm going to respond to these accusations, etc. The internet kind of fosters that kind of interaction. Are you okay? I'm just fine.

Yeah, she's fine. I'm fine. Tension. She's right. I want tension about what? No, that's in her head. She's totally fine. She's totally fine. Oh, I'm just thinking, you know, he I don't know why he would run for the Democrats if he had all this in his past, you know? Honestly. They're a little more critical of this, whereas, like, once again, there's like a lot of people

on the right that have way worse accusations than him that get endlessly defended on the right, that's kind of like the thing right now like what's his face? Who's the guy that just wrote the Christian book? How did 10 days become Christian seven days before Christian? Oh my God, I have no idea. Please tell me, I'm going to look it up.

I told you, I'm not paying attention. Russell Brand. Yes. He admitted to a lot of degeneracy. People immediately kind of turn to like the right wing culture because obviously they're going to be a little more skeptical because there was the whole 2015-2016 anti-feminist stuff, which I think there was a lot of fair critique there

about, you know, the Me Too going too far, everything. But there's also, I think it's overcorrected to now it's become like a safe haven. Whereas I genuinely believe if Graham Platner had suddenly become right wing, everyone that's shitting on him would defend him right now. That's probably a fair statement. I mean, I've seen people defend people for ridiculous things plenty of times. I see people keep secrets that they shouldn't that are similar to this plenty of times. To that point, to that point, but there's not a lot of people that are defending, you know,

other people that are right wing, you know, just for an example, Elijah Stafer, there's nobody that's really coming to his defense. You know what I mean? I've been accused of coming to his defense. Well, okay, okay, you don't even go on the internet though. You yourself, you say that. No, I just said, I just say I'm not going to ban math him because he's my friend, but he, and you know him. The point that I'm making is so like the, what I'm understanding what I'm understanding, Lauren is saying. Well, it's a pretty like in everyone's face. Like, I don't think there's anyone that's like, the level of, of the level. It's like such an extreme level like, Everyone can see, like even Richard Spencer was just tweeting him saying,

Are you okay, bro, the other day? You know, it's like everyone out here is like, Okay. You're very clearly dealing with, you know, the internet fame stop, drugs, you know, the whole, because it is a drug sex and rock and roll lifestyle in the right wing sphere that, you know, people catch up eventually. Nobody emblaughts me did these things. I am not invited to the drug sex and rock roll. Listen, we want people constantly.

We got drug together. But we never did drugs together. I will tell you, not yet. Firsthand experience the drug sex and rock. rock and roll thing is not really a thing nowadays. You go backstage and it's this. It's dissident media. It's dissonant media.

I've been in a party. But if you go to like the daily wire, obviously it's going to have a very different culture. Yes. Very different culture. Yeah, but like even the turning point things, right? Like I hear things. Listen, I've heard things about turning point.

Me too. But like to be so real. No, I will be. But like I totally, I've invited to some parties, but I never saw people doing drugs. I never saw orgies. I did know that people hooked up and went and did their own things.

But like what we're talking. like what Madison Callthorn was talking about with the orgies. I worked on the hill forever. I was never invited. I'm kind of offended that I wasn't. Yeah, but you're a loud mouth. They know you would have been like, I'm about to tell. Yeah, probably.

But like, take it as a compliment. I guess, but like, I'm kind of offended that I wasn't invited to these. Because I wouldn't have won't, but like, I'm not cool enough to go. Fine, sure, whatever. Maybe I'm old. But like, so I don't know about all of it being like, I hear rumors, obviously, of things. But like, you don't do that.

Like, you don't do that. Like, people I know aren't really engaging in that. It's easy to do because there's a lot of money and fame. And it's a lot of people that are dorks. We've gone out saying karaoke and had some beers. But here's the take. I haven't seen you do that, right? But that's the problem with the internet is they're like, well, I haven't seen my favorite influencer do these things.

So it must not be true. But they are. I haven't done a lot of drugs. I'm not saying everyone. I'm not saying everyone. I'm just saying it's very common. And the problem with the right is that there is more of a, you know, a pressure to keep up a certain image and people really kill themselves and bend over backwards to try to keep that image

publicly. And I don't blame them, you know? And sometimes it's like the, I want this to be true. I think there's a virtue in wanting it, wanting to live this way. And then, yeah, people fall short because they're human and they, you know, we are sinners and we are all of those things. There's a difference between falling short and going out for a weekend and raging, just railing lines of Coke, right? Like, there's a distinct difference between that. Like, if you're like, you have some psychological trauma and like there's something wrong with you. And like, you know, you, you, you've had something. I don't know. I'm not trying to make excuses for people. I don't encourage that. I don't think anybody should do that. I think it's not good. But I just don't think that if they're trying to like if they're trying to live their life righteously and then they fall off the wagon, that they're irredeemable and that what they're saying is now not no longer true. The internet isn't the right place to have these conversations often because it's just a bunch of sharks waiting for blood, but also because the internet isn't the place to have these conversations. But post-COVID, we've all been forced to have our reality on the internet. I don't think we're having a lot of honest conversations about what, life really is like because

I agree with that. It's just no one everyone wants to put their best foot forward. No one wants to talk about the ugly underbelly of everything and we're all friends like everyone's friends behind the scenes so they're all covering up for each other all the time and I'm not saying that's bad. There's a lot like there's a lot of things I keep quiet only because I don't want reputational

like somebody to come attack me and make things up. It's like a big Mexican standoff all the time. It definitely is there's a lot of that going on. And I just like I chose to blow the suicide vest and say whatever. I I really don't care if people hate me. But it was killing me internally to not just talk honestly about what I think all the time. Don't you think that people that are, so like for, and this might be a little bit of a right term, but like someone like, like Asmond Gold.

Yes. Right? That dude talks about how he doesn't shower. That dude like bears just just bears all the truth. I like that. But I think that that's something that people like about him. Yeah. So like.

Like be honest. He doesn't show his desk, though, on stream. Like, if you saw what he was looking at, you'd be like, oh. He's shown. He's shown his house. He showed videos on it. He's shown video of his house. He should all relentlessly, but that won't be used against him then. I'm not denying what you're saying either, because he's very honest guy.

The point that I'm making is when you actually tell, when you tell people the truth, right? Like, that is actually something that's, first of all, endearing. But it also takes weapons away from people that would attack you. Agreed. But people are, and I've been saying this for a long time, craving authenticity, right? Like, just like, there are so many, like, you look at the Fox News, types or the, you know, buttoned up people right in front of their things, just reading a teleprompter, like, people don't want to see that anymore. And they want you to be real and they want to feel

like they can trust you. And if you say things like, I don't shower for a couple of days, you seem more authentic and honest, right? Like that's... It's admissions against your own interests that I believe, right? If you're saying something that it's like, oh, you're going to lose money, followers, or reputational status, I'll believe that. Anything that's not an admission against interest on the internet, you can, it's like, do you believe it? I don't know. It's hard to tell. I mean, but sometimes people even do things that are against their own interest for other nefarious reasons, too. That's true. They could be playing underwater backgammon. I'm just saying, like, I've seen that too.

I just think that what people need to realize is that everybody is human, everybody is flawed. We all have issues that we deal with. But I really believe, and maybe I don't believe this, but I guess I'm torn. I do think that for a lot of the times that people are saying the things that they really do believe. I don't think anybody is in here saying things that they don't agree with. Do I think they do it for the right intentions? Probably not. This is where the problem, like when we were arguing earlier, and this is what I always try to stress with political arguments.

Like, I'm frustrated and heartbroken by Tommy because he's lied about me. And I know he knows he's lied about me. You are friends with him. And this is someone you love and someone you care about. So you're going to defend him. I don't think, like, if we sat here and we looked at the court cases together, I think it would be a very different conversation. but it's always so emotional. I think if I showed you so of my stuff too,

it might be a little different conversation. And so I'm just saying, I think it would be. But it's like you recognize that though. It's like no one in the audience always recognizes when it's like emotions at play and people don't talk about it enough. He's done things for me that my,

I don't even know if my family would do. So you're going to defend him to the end of the year. To the end of the year. It doesn't matter what the evidence shows. No, the evidence, that's not sure because I've seen him do some other things that, you know, I'm like, what are you doing? You know what I mean?

Like, but I, but I do love him and I don't, see him being a nefarious bad person in his heart because I've seen him. He I don't think he's nefarious either. I think a lot of people in politics have lost their minds like Elijah Schaefer. I think they've literally the drugs and the mask has become their self. Tommy did something for me and never told me. Never told me. I found out six months later from somebody else that that was only because it was the right thing to do. And so when I hear people accuse him of doing things. That's great. And he did something to me. That was the wrong thing to do, right? And that's, these are our own personal experiences. I have evidence

to support mine. Yours is, you probably have evidence to support yours and you've got to let people just decide and look at the evidence. But in my case, like, I care about it more because there's court cases involved. There's very serious allegations involved, right? But it's, my point is, like, a lot of the political world is emotional. Would you guys

agree? Sorry, we've taken over. I feel like to define a lot. I mean, I think emotions emotions play a huge effect in who clicks what, which is where the money comes from. I think yes, the short answer to your question is yes. Feelings don't care about your facts.

Would you agree? No, people remember the way they feel when they hang out with you. They don't remember what you said as much. They care about how they felt. I think that Michael Malice kind of has his finger on the pulse when he says that people are narrative driven. They are not truth driven. So like they have a particular worldview. So when things align with their worldview, that's the stuff that they're going to respond to.

And yes, of course, that is shaped by emotion and stuff. And people will look for, for quote unquote, facts that. Cognitive bias. They're going to find things and support their arguments. That's what they're going to highlight and ignore the rest. I get that. This plays in the discernment because I started YouTube in 2006 and I was like, what would Jesus Christ do with this tech? He'd be honest on the internet.

So I did it. I went crazy. Radical open honesty. You watched my first 600 videos. It's insane honesty, openness. I destroyed so many relationships because I didn't know when to stop. You have to learn the fire hose and how to let these, because it's emotional, you're communicating emotionally with tone and stuff. Are you always being honest when it's just your emotion running?

Because it has to be. to be like a balance of both, right? Yeah, because the facts have to inform emotion, vice versa. If I wake up and I eat a bunch of poison and then I look at a guy and I'm like, I hate the way he looks. He's such a, and then I yell about how he's a thing. I'm being honest, but it's because I, it's my work my own perception, and now

my new honesty is this new perception. That's so much of the news, yeah. I have responsibility for creating, yeah. Did that answer your question? Yeah, I think, sorry. I think so. All right, do we have... Discernment is the word of the day.

Honesty and discernment. Those two things in tandem. I mean, look, your attempts at being honest don't mean that you have to divulge every little thing about yourself. Correct. It just means you don't lie. I struggle with this too.

Clearly. Carter, do you have the auto for this thing here? I'm working on it. Honestly, I cannot. Grand Platter on the standover's mouth. Can we talk about Grand Platter for a second? Trying at a bunch. So let me go ahead and bring up this here.

Sorry, if I'm taking the... Grand Platter not honest enough enough. Man too much discernment. So from NBC News, Graham Platter announced Wednesday. He's ending his Senate campaign, capping a chaotic few days of uncertainty and democratic infighting and leaving the party

without a candidate in the vitally important main race this fall. The announcement by the populist progressive came after a woman he dated, accused him of sexual assault in 2021, causing his support to hemorrhage even among top Democrat allies who rescinded their endorsement and called on him to drop out. In a video message posted on X, Platiner denied him. the allegations as false, but he said he has placed an immense amount of weight on him

and as he only has until Monday to decide whether to continue his candidacy. He said if he continued, he'd lose his ability to fundraise, access voter data, and run a campaign. What comes next needs to come from the people. Needs to come from the people of Maine, Platner said. It needs to be

open, transparent, and democratic. It needs to be reflecting the will and the values of the people that built this movement, which is actually kind of funny considering he said that he wants to select. Who, is going to be replacing him. So do you guys feel like Platner has his finger on the pulse of Maine? Or do you think that he's just looking for someone that is going to be? And look, I'm an open partisan. I make no bones about it. Like I'm anti-leftist. So just so we all know here. Do you think that he's

just looking for someone that would actually be approved by the DSA or the far left? Because he tends to be a fairly far left candidate. I don't know if he's actually looking for approval. I think, No, no, he's not looking for a candidate that would be approved of by that might be true. I bet this is like both giving him a chance to kind of get his, you know, his feelings involved in the process, but also giving him, the parties giving him a chance to save face and look like he's not a dog getting kicked out in the middle of the night. So like, I mean, everyone, but I mean, to say that giving him a chance to say face, I mean, like literally everybody has come out and said he needs to drop out. But just the DSA official did, Rokana came out and said it. I don't know for sure if Sanders has. Sanders has said it.

Sanders, you know, basically all the important people in the Democrat Party have said, okay, you need to drop out. Only that if he has any hand in selecting or being involved in who comes after him, that he's saving a little bit of face. Like, they're showing that they have a bit of respect for him in that case. Otherwise, they'd be like your opinion matters nothing. You have nothing to say now. I think because I think it's all a bunch of nonsense.

Honestly, like it's the same nonsense over and over again. Like, who gives a shit? I don't care. That's what I feel. specifically. Well, like, like, why do I care, like, what, who he thinks he's going to appoint? Like, they're going to put up a leftist anyway, right? Like, does it matter if it's like a Democrat socialist or a communist or what they're all the same to me, right? Like, that's how I feel about it. It's going to matter if the person can be elected because Susan Collins, whether or not she's an actually good Republican and people will argue about that.

She at least sits. No, no, well, I mean, look. Maine might as well be Canada. Why do you take Maine for us, Lauren? That's totally wrong because, look, on it. I am not a fan of Susan Collins, but she does hold the seat and prevent an actually, say, active Democrat from sitting there. I agree. I'm just saying that, like, the question that you asked were, like, do you think that he wants to, he has his finger on the polls and he, you know, he wants to elect a Democrat, like a real far lefty person? I'm like, I don't care. He's going to do it. Like, that's what they're going to, that's what they want to put in there.

That's what's going to happen. Like, well, why are we speculating about what his mind is? Well, because it matters because if they put someone that's actually far left, then it makes Susan, it would ostensibly. It would make, it would ostensibly make Susan Collins' chances better because she's considered a moderate. You can count on. They're going to put a far lefty in there because if you look at all the candidates that are coming out, popping up all over the left wing of the party, they are all further and further to the left than they have been in 20 years. Well, yeah, but do you. Okay. So that's, it's going to be that anyway. I think it was, um, Polymarket or one of the Cal She, one of these two betting platforms said that when Platner was this, I don't want to mistake this.

that if he drops out that the Republicans actually have a worse chance, a worse chance of winning. Because his replacement will be worse than him is what they're saying. Well, no, they're saying that the Republicans have a worse chance because Susan Collins has, like she kind of underperforms the polls or overperforms the polls. Like historically, she pulls at, you know, X and she does better than the polls kind of implies. That's because it's hard to meet an incumbent, like I said yesterday, because of all the resources that they have that come out of the MRI.

That is why. She always says better. Get the budget for the for the office Because she gets all those touches all the year that he doesn't And it's not just funded by the campaign dollars It's funded by our tax dollars the MRI budget So that's why but like That's the only reason she does better

It's what part of the what yeah Very big part of the reason why she does better So then why isn't that reflect in polling Because like who have you been polled Who's polling people? Well I don't live in Maine Well I'm just saying Like the last time of Brady has been pulled

Have you been pulled? I've never been pulled or neither are taking a poll like an official poll but I don't really ever trust polls she outperforms polls because she's the incumbent and she has extra touches and you know there's people in Maine

that are not motivated by I don't know the internet like there's you know older people that are not that are just like getting their mailers and happy with their constituent services this is what people super forget like if you look at the election with Rupert Lowe in the UK

everyone if you were on X you would have thought he had stolen that election you know, at least he was going to go past Nigel Farage, but what did he get, like, 3% of the votes? This is what people think that, like, Facebook likes and Twitter is real. It's not. It's not.

Oh, my God. It never does. It just never does that. No, that's because the people that actually voters, they still tend to be the boomers. The only person I've ever seen overcome that is Brandon Herrera. Yes. That's it.

But that's because he's, like, a normal person. Correct. That's like the only reason. He lost his first person out. He was out doing, like, retail politics. He was actually going out getting the work. Yeah, there's a lot of people that think that they're going to get. like all their Facebook likes and that's enough

and that's gonna move the needle and it's not I mean we see it in smaller districts too like you'll have a you know these Facebook crazy ladies that like try to ratio the incumbent member of Congress and then they're like I'm gonna run and we're like ratio literally mean no do you think that Mr. Beast could run for president

and win without a political party you don't not at all it doesn't because all of his audience are 12 year olds like what do we mean we were like 10 years ago or six years ago you don't stay a Mr. Beast fan once you're like past puberty you know And he's weird. And he's weird. And he's so famous. It doesn't matter. But he's not famous with the right constituency. It's like they literally think these people on their iPads are God. Like, and, oh, you told me to hit like, I will hit like. You know, it's that. That is all. And that's why like you look at the influencers of old and someone made a video. Everyone watched it. Everyone watched it. Everyone watched it. Everyone knew who Fred was. Everyone watched Harry Potter puppet Puppet Pals. Everyone watched taking the Hobbits to Eisengard. I have no idea what any of that is. You know, the millennial generation that were on YouTube.

They were like, a video would come out and people knew what it was. Now there's so many videos and people are watching them so quickly and hitting like on every single one. Fame is different now. Oh, you think Beast has diffused? His fame is diffused in the last five years or six years? I just think it's a lot of young people hitting those like buttons. Yeah, it's just the people. Like, look how they're voting and have no power in real politics.

The people that vote are not young people generally, right? The people that are voting are boomers. They're maybe some of the, maybe Gen X, older millennials. Those are the people that are reliable voters. So if you see people on the internet that are getting a ton of likes that's still tends to be younger millennials, Gen Z, maybe Gen Alpha, especially when you're dealing with something like Mr. Beast, right? Like, that's probably Gen Alpha, maybe younger Gen Z. So, like, that doesn't translate into actual votes because getting people out to vote when they're young

people is almost impossible. Getting older people out to vote is something that you can rely on. When you're talking about Mr. Beast, right, people actually do care. Like, we've seen famous people run before and they're like, yeah, but okay, they're famous, but like, what are their policies? Like, they're not qualified. They've only been at YouTube. Uber forever. They've only been to X, Y, Z forever. It doesn't translate. It just doesn't to the campaign world. Donald Trump is an anomaly. Donald Trump is not the norm. But he might be setting a standard of populism. I don't think you need political parties to win. You're to George Washington. And fame is absolutely need political parties to win. No, no, George

Washington is in his farewell campaign speech. He didn't have a political party either. He didn't need one to get elected. He didn't need one to get elected. I know. That's the point that it's true. He said they're going to devolve into these like tip for tat party politic things where people are like, I value the party, whatever the party. And it's like, bro, look for the best people. Look the point that I, I mean, at the same time that you're saying, you don't need a political party to win. You consistently say, oh, but look at the money, look at the money. Like, that, the money is reflected through the parties.

It's what you do with the money that I talk about, which is the fame. It's the TV shows. It's the Tim Pool, IRL, Mr. Beast channel. Like, that's what people buy with that campaign money. And when you have it, you don't need the money. I don't need the fame. No, I don't. It's not the fame. Donald Trump, like I said, is an anomaly. Just because someone famous is running doesn't mean they're a shoe in. Look, the only person that I think that might actually be able to

Translate fame into actual political victories and Ronald Reagan Just kidding. He was an actor though. That's how yeah that he was also the governor would you stop? Okay, you next Like in the current in the current day, right? Like I think Spencer Spencer Spenceer might have some mojo to be able to get into like national politics, but not not like at the president, like he might be able to win a congressional seat. But like that's like the only guy that I can think of that has a level of fame. And he doesn't, he wasn't even like particularly famous. Like he was on like on a like on a reality show.

Right. But he's got he's got a very good team when it comes to social media. And his policies right now seem to be, you know, fairly friendly to be, seem to be being received by the right fairly friendly. So he, that's something he might be able to turn into. into real tangible electoral wins. But I mean, even still, like, you're still, you're looking at a guy that just lost, right?

Like, whether you believe that the California elections are actually fair or not, that's kind of besides the point. He lost the California election, at least as far as the tally goes. So the idea that either money or fame translate into electoral success, that's just not true. So you think it's like what happens? The reason I brought this, like,

the tip for tap behind the scenes, that she's got connections with it, what is it, MRI, MLO. She's an incumbent, and she didn't get there because she says, she has like background connections that aren't. No, it's not the connections. Like she has, she has more money to spend to reach out to constituents, people that voters, like in the offseason, she's got year, like, she doesn't have to spend campaign money only up until 90 days before the election. So she has like our tax dollars to fund reaching out to people and talking to constituents all year, except for the 90 day blackout period right before the election.

That's when she has to spend her money. has to spend his money the whole entire time to make the same amount. There's a disparity between how much money is spent. And that goes for all incumbents. That is crazy that a candidate can spend tax, spend my money to run for office. Well, I'm planning on voting against them. There's a tricky way around it. There's a thing called franking, right? And you have to get the language approved. It can't sound like campaigning. But if you send a postcard to somebody telling like we, you know, our office fixed 872 passports this year. And we fixed, most blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and talk about and highlight all the things that you've already done to help people in your thing.

While it's communicating with your constituents and not, quote, campaigning, it still is a touch and it still affects how they, the citizens of your district. You're spending all this time talking about your, your accolades as a representative or as a, as a, as a senator. And it's not saying, oh, you should vote for me in the fall. Right. But you're reminding them all consistently reminding them, these are the good things that I've done for our. you know our our district joe biden he did that at his uh state of the union they called it a state of the union all he did was talk about the things he did that were good it was like in right before the 2024 election it was so just a transparent uh uh running for office electoral committee

everybody else is busy is what i'm saying boring or is it true like you can become you don't need political parties you can become famous enough to win no or is it just because it's an old boys club and they'll just shut you out in the background no it's not that they shoot you out it's just that people are finicky. Like they, like part of Spencer Pratt, right? And they're like, oh, Spencer Pratt, he was on TV.

Like, what does you really know about policy? And then I saw people questioning him. And then this one guy, I forget who it was. He was like, no, I went in and I checked on who he, you know, was going to bring into the administration. And so, like, legit. Like, he really has them. And they're really on board.

And, and, like, people, people, people kind of put you in buckets. Like, they'll say, oh, you don't have enough experience to do X, X, Y, Z. But like, like, the other Congress. does like nobody knows i studied politics for how long before i like in college and was trained to do it when i went down that was completely different than you would expect it to me so you don't really know it's like till you're down there and nobody really has experience until they do it like this is part of why we were talking about yesterday with the um term limits or whatever like you you don't really know

it's like till you're down there anyway so nobody has experience but they will kind of put you in a bucket like well he's not a lawyer what experience do they have and and there are the biases that the people have It really has nothing to do with, you know, how much they like a candidate. And again, this is another thing where I say that Donald Trump is an anomaly because Donald Trump was able to say, look, you know, I have this business experience and that tends to be, at least with the right, the right light says, well, you know, he knows how to run businesses. He's got experience in the business world and et cetera. And he also came with a message that no Republican had said. Remember, when he came down and he was like, oh, we're going to get rid of the illegals. They're sending there, blah, blah, blah.

Like that was something that was shocking to people. and there were people that, and myself included, I didn't have a concept of illegal immigration being a significant problem in 2016. And then the more he pointed at it, the more he shed light on it, the more I was like, oh, wow, this is actually something real. I think why he really wanted is because I remember, like,

older people, my parents, that generation, that demographic were like, oh, he's saying the things that we always say to ourselves out loud or at the dinner table and he's real. He's like one of us. That's like the vibe that got. And it was that authenticity that I said that people were craving. But he broke that down now.

Like, okay, that's been done. It was a shock then. And they were like, yeah, but now they still want, they've reverted back to like, okay, we've seen that. Now we're reverting back to like, what experience do you have? But authenticity does speak true. Like Spencer Pratt's very authentic. And I think if they're going to say.

I think that was stolen from him. But like, it is a thing where. If that narrative surfaces of like he doesn't have enough experience, it would surface through the media in some fashion, whether articles written or TV shows. So like you have countermedia with a YouTube channel with 80 million. subscribers and you're getting 60 million views per episode every week, you can counter that non-experience argument very easily. Well, I don't know that you can counter it.

I mean, if people, if there's a narrative out there that says that you don't have experience, you have to convince people that you can still do the job even without experience. Thank you. You just got to think. Maybe it's some water. Thank you. Oh, okay. All that fast talking, I'm like.

Yeah. And you were like, oh, I don't have anything to say, like before the show. I don't have anything to say. It's always a lie. You've got a million things to say on every topic all the time. Lauren has to say. I don't care. We both keep saying that.

She's here. She was here to take Tim to task, and now we've stolen that from that. I just feels like a wet noodle because Grand Platner's video didn't play. What were you saying? I'm working on it, guys. Let's move on to the Charlie Kirk stuff. Oh, God. All right.

I want to stay away here on this for 10 foot pole for the exact reason that we were talking about Charlie Kirk. Where did this go? I just don't want to talk about Candace. I'm the one. I want to talk about it on. No one wants to talk about the stuff that's actually corrosive to the political conversation because they're so afraid of the people doing it. No, I like Candace.

Exactly. I don't want to talk about Candace because she's going to attack me. I don't want to talk about it. I'm going to talk about church. All right. From CBS News, enough ladies. I would just want to explain something about this. No, you need to know.

It's about the procedural. Okay. Can I just get the headline and then you'll go ahead and get your time to run your face? Let just let me freaking say what I'd say. This is a free trial. trial hearing, just so everybody knows what a pretrial hearing is. They are presenting evidence. They're not presenting all their evidence, okay, like a grand jury to see if this will actually go to real trial. I don't think a lot of people know that, so I just want to make that clear before you go and do this.

They don't care. From CBS News, roommate of suspect in Charlie Kirk's assassination given immunity in exchange for recorded statements. The preliminary hearing for the man charged with killing conservative activist Charlie Kirk resumed Wednesday afternoon with defense attorneys questioning the reliability of DNA test. that prosecutors say links the defendant to the suspected murder weapon. Prosecutors also reveal that the suspect's roommate was given immunity in exchange for providing recorded video statements to investigators about the case. Prosecutors are trying to convince state district judge Tony Graf that they have enough evidence to bring Tyler Robinson to trial on an aggravated murder charge. After the hearing concludes, which is expected to happen Friday, Graff must determine if the case

should be proceed, which experts say is likely. Robinson 23 is charged with aggravated murder and Kirk's September 10th assassination on the Utah Valley University campus for which prosecutors are seeking the death penalty. Robinson had no prior criminal record before his arrest in Kirk's shooting death. Look, this, the idea that they don't have enough evidence, I think that that is pretty, pretty absurd. They definitely have enough evidence to proceed past this point. Yeah. So they have they have statements from the, the, I'm not saying it's true, legit.

and any of that I'm just saying they have enough evidence to proceed. Yeah, but the point that I'm making is part of the evidence is the statements from this Twiggs person. First of all, he shouldn't have immunity. Like, we do this a lot to get people who, you know, like they wouldn't have a complete case without these people. But this seems egregious. You think this person should be an accessory? Yeah. Really?

I don't know. Well, I mean, they would need enough evidence to say that. I mean, they just said the other day that there was more of his DNA on the tail than there was. Yeah, but that doesn't put him on the roof. Because they were roommates. You know, that only says that they were in the same house. I'm just saying that there's, are you just saying there are, I think that this guy knew exactly what was going on.

Is there a chance that they're just delivering enough evidence to get the grand jury to say yeah? And then they're saving evidence for the trial where they're like, oh, and by the way. That is happening. If anybody wants to watch somebody break this down, like totally non-political, whatever, the lawyer you know is covering this really well. and he's doing it from a completely like neutral and just legal by the evidence

he does a great job. Who was it? The lawyer you know. Lauren was it is real? You too. Oh my gosh. I'm like, you know, isn't it impossible that there's a conspiracy behind this? Of course it's not impossible, but you have to have evidence.

And the thing with the Candace stuff that I'm seeing online, like every right-wing commentator is like, please people, please. You have to side with reason right now. Like, this is obviously crazy. like Erica Kirk didn't kill Charlie. Like, I don't know what's happened with Candace. And it's like, what do you mean you don't know what's happened to Candace?

Like, Candace has been insane since she started her new show. But the problem is that the initial thing she was insane about was the Macron case. And the McCron case is not politically convenient for the right to talk about because it's funny to say that McCron's wife is a man. And no one is friends with Macron's wife, whereas people are friends with Erica Kirk. So no one was calling out this insanity back when, and I would recommend everyone watching this, go and actually read the defamation suit against Candace, because it is some of the most insane content to read. Like, it is insane how much she has been debunked, how badly her evidence, like, oh, it's her brother. Her brother literally showed up to court in person, has been seen in recent

photographs with her, like all of this stuff to debunk this nonsense. Hey, maybe Macron's wife is a man. Not only do I not care, there's just no evidence for it. There's no evidence. But, like, no one cares to debunk stuff when it's convenient politically to just not talk about it. So all of this stuff everyone on the rights dealing with now with Erica Kirk being blamed this, that and the other I'm sorry, but the disinformation

and bullshit from alternative media has run amok too far and everyone had too much fun with it. And now this is the result. Now we have a bunch of insane wine moms that were into true crime talking constantly about how Charlie Kirk was murdered by Erica and Andrew Colvette

or whatever. Like, it's just Unhinged. Granted, I don't believe these claims without evidence with that she's making, but I didn't debunk the McCrone stuff. I didn't speak out against it because I thought it was so ridiculous and it didn't deserve my time. This but the problem is there are so many people that believe it. Like there are so few people that support like all of the nonsense like you know trans and kids. I reckon it's a minority of the Democrats that actually support like making a five year old transgender. But people will talk about that and right now it's like a huge swath. Not to say that shouldn't be talked about. Most of the Democrats are going to say that it's not happening. If you're at But that's what I mean. There's like a lot of like really small issues that are not affecting us at a mass level that get addressed because they're like politically fun to address. But when it's like, who, someone on my political team is spreading like massive misinformation and the left do this too. Don't get me wrong. Like I think the rights doing it in the opposite way of what you're saying right now. We all do it the same way. Well, what I'm saying is like I see a lot of, I know a lot of regular wine moms as you call them or I call them baseball moms or whatever, just people that are not political. And they have questions. about the Charlie Kirk thing, like, you know, about how certain people behaved or how, you know, the type of wound or whatever, whatever their things are. And to just blow them off and to say that that's like that the reason that they're doing it is because they're into true crime or whatever. And ignore that Candace has like this, you know, six million people following her for this because they don't see anything weird about what happened with the thing is disingeneges. I think. And I don't think, I think that people, I see what you're saying about Candace and being hyperbolic and throwing out crazy evidence and things like that. I'm not saying that I'm just talking about regular moms who don't even watch Candace say something doesn't feel right about the situation. And you can't blow that off. And I feel like the right wing, let me just say this, because I've been getting it from a lot of people I know. I feel like the right thing, the right people say to me, people in the right. Well, why can't it just be the leftist did it? Why can't it just be that a leftist did it and they're the problem and they're bad and that now, now we've got to. got to attack each other and now we've got to blame it's a TPUSA, it's a big conspiracy.

And they're pissed off that, you know, we're not just blaming it on the tranny, lefty guy. Jesus Christ. That's what I'm hearing, right? And I've heard it from a bunch of people. But the problem is, like, if you are someone that is genuinely concerned, and this is where my frustration comes in, if you actually care that much that you're watching like hours and hours of this stuff, go read the actual court cases.

And this is how I felt about the Macron thing. It's like, okay, if you're so invested, you're going to watch a five to six part series about this, go read the court case. And you're going to feel like an effing moron after you do, unfortunately. And it's not your fault because a lot of people have, I felt like a moron after realizing a lot of stuff I've promoted sometimes has been inaccurate or this. Every time I've been like, oh my gosh, not only have I been wrong, I've spread this to a bunch of people because I have a platform. But it's like you have to be willing to rebuild your platform of reality and deciding like one influencer is your person. one, they're making so much money off this. Candace is making so much money off this.

That's fine, but you have to, but you do have to acknowledge that there is, there are people that are, that are actually genuinely concerned or, or, you know, feel a certain way about that, despite her. Great, they have a, they have a brain too, read the court cases.

Yeah, but here's the problem. The people that are on the internet that are like amplifying or like you're talking about the people that are like just the regular people that don't have a platform on their own, like they are committed to. All the evidence isn't out yet that the prosecution has yet. And so that's the thing.

So when you're like, go read the court cases, it's kind of hard to do in this lead up here. I'm not saying you have to even agree with the judges. I'm not saying, but that is going to give you the most accurate information. The thing with these court cases, it's like you have two sides that are desperate. But there isn't any stuff to read right now. Hold on. Hold on. Listen, I constantly run into this on X because people love to go ahead and say, oh, well, you know, you're just in Israel shill because you don't believe Candace and sorry.

And the point or the thing that they always say is, oh, you believe. believe the FBI. It is, it is when you're dealing with people that are totally conspiracy brained, it is always the next conspiracy. So like, it's not just that it was Israel. If you believe the official narrative, then you probably got multiple shots. Right. So the, it's a never-ending conspiracy stuff. It's like if we're found innocent, then we're innocent and we're right all along. But if we're found guilty, then it's the matrix attacking us. Like, no matter what happens, like, you're it's always going to come out in your favor because that's the best way to gamble it and you know it's not that it's the best way to gamble it's that they're they're committed to that

narrative and there's a lot of people out there that are very very anti-israel so anything that would put is you know cast Israel in a bad light they're like oh it must have been Israel that killed charlie kirk even though even though if you look at it it's it's really really really ridiculous to think that it was Israel and looking at the actual evidence if you the the evidence they have against Tyler, like, it is very likely that at the very least, it is a legitimate prosecution because all the evidence that they have does point to him. But as soon as you say, the evidence they have points to Tyler, they're like, oh, you believe the FBI now. You probably, you probably think that 9-11 wasn't done by George Bush, you know? No, that's how it goes. There's all the things going around to. I know a lot

of people that are in the business that have issues or don't like, you know, some of this stuff around the court case about like what's going on with our TPSA people and they won't say it because they don't want to get hurt in the business but stuff but stuff for doing that too having having criticism about TPSA is not the same thing as they're major no no no it's like TPSA in relation to Charlie's whatever I think they did a lot of weird stuff after there's no denying that so none of that isn't but what I'm saying is what you were saying earlier what you were saying earlier about having like um you know know, if you don't have the same opinion, then you're kicked out of the group, right?

Like, right. Well, that, a lot of the Tyler Robinson stuff, there are a lot of people on the inside that say, hey, this is suspicious, or I know this, or I've seen this, or I've heard this, or whatever. And they're like, but I'm not going to go out and say anything against Turning Point USA because I either work for them or we're friendly with them or we don't want to ruin a relationship with them. I mean, that happens to. There's so much, there's so much factual stuff that you can get frustrated on and point out. Like, I went to the first TPSA thing post-Charlie Kirk, and it was insane. You had like the selfie tan for Charlie Kirk where they were selling like hot tubs and massage chairs alongside it and $500 Charlie Kirk Sequin jackets. And then, you know, it was just weird.

The whole thing was weird. Felt very profit maxing. But it's like then you see the story come out where it's like, oh, the gun fragment, the bullet fragment can't be confirmed. It's not part of the gun. And it's just the headline that comes out. And everyone starts retweeting it seeing C, C, C, C, but no one reads the article. I agree that. And if you actually read the article, it's like, well, it's because it's really difficult to identify.

any fragment of a bullet. People thought it meant that they confirmed that it was not the bullet. It wasn't a match. But they confirmed that they couldn't match it because it had been deformed. People have. I agree with that. And that's the problem. The problem,

I don't mind people asking questions about anything. I think that's good. I think you should. But it's the headline brain and the watching one influencer who's making a ton of profit off the conspiracy. The way you ask the questions because you could be like, did Erica Kirk murder Charlie? You could ask that question.

The answer's no, probably. Or you could be like, isn't it weird that she, didn't look at the way. Don't you think it's kind of strange that that's also a question and a group of them. And that's a dirty type of way to ask a question. So there's a way to ask questions that are genuine, good at faith. Well, that's the thing.

Like the questions that you get, at least from the conspiracy brain people, it doesn't matter what the answer is, right? The answer, whatever the answer actually is, they've got some kind of reply to that. I usually, like I said, oh, you believe the FBI now. You know, oh, you believe the official narrative. You're so dumb and I'm so smart. But if the FBI reports something they like, if the FBI reported like mass immigration is destroying America,

they'd be like, yes, queen. You see people saying things like, you know, oh, the way that they, the way that they interact with it, it's always as if, you know, they're the brilliant ones that are plugged into the real story. And if you believe anything other than them, you know, you're the schmuck, you're the guy that's getting duped. And it's really, really easy to, you know, pick that stuff out

just because of the way they interact. And I personally I find it pretty easy to just disregard it because I see it all the time in my feed But it's still it's sort of empowering to be skeptical because it kind of puts you on a pedestal and you're like look You guys got to prove it so these people that are emotionally invested in Candace's arguments and in skepticism No people are drawn now no no no no you're not no you're let me make this no I get I get what you're saying but I have to address what you're saying about skepticism Being skeptical is fine but these people aren't skeptical they're sure of their own narrative and it's different if you're skeptical you're gonna be skeptical of everything or it being skeptical of everything, that's fine and well and good. And that's actually something that people should be, you know, generally when they're getting it, when they're disseminating their information. But the

people that I'm referring to, they're not skeptical of their own narrative. They're very sure of their own narrative. And they say, they say, oh, you're so silly for disbelieving what I believe. Dude, that's an interesting point. Because if you make a claim and Lisa's like, no, no, and claim something opposite. And I'm like, actually, Lisa, I don't know about that. But I believe you. Am I really skeptical? No, you're not. If you're skeptical, if you're going to be a skeptic or if you consider yourself a skeptic, be skeptical of everything. But if you're not, but the people, the people that are sure that it's, that it was like, you know, the people that are sure that it was Erica or the people that believe that it was someone involved in TPUSA

that actually did it or the people that think that it was Israel or that whatever. Those people are not skeptical. They just reject your narrative and they say, no, no, no, I'm right. It's not skepticism. That's different thing. What you were saying, Lauren, about why won't they go read the court case? Why are they so invested in this TV show? I think it alludes to what I was saying earlier that people remember.

how they feel. They don't remember what you told them necessarily. It's how they felt about what. So like, if you did a reading of the court case and they could listen to your voice and listen to your tone, they might get into it. Yeah, maybe. But I also think like it feels so much better, like conspiracies and having hidden knowledge and listening to people talk about like really inflated versions of topics. It feels better than actually reading boring information. And the problem is, too, is like all of the topics people care about are going to be solved by the people reading the boring information and doing the boring things and going through the bureaucracy. That's where I see a lot of online political activism, just being this black hole, where it's

like, I'm going and subscribe and amplify, where it's like the people that are going and working at their school board and doing the boring paperwork that are actually having the biggest change. And then we all wonder, oh, why isn't society moving in our direction? Well, because no one wants to do the boring work. And actually the far left people that you super hate and criticize, well, they're willing to sit for 10 years on a board that you said was bullshit. Yeah, that's a real, that's a real problem that the right has. I think that, honestly, I think that's a, that is a more significant problem on the right

than any kind of online BS is the fact that people on the right don't want to go and do the, the, basically the activist. I hate door knocking. I hate door knocking more than anything in the whole planet. That's true. The fact that you do it or have done it just goes to show that you actually have done more than most of the people that on the right that done it. I'll never do that again.

I've done so much data entry in my life. That's just that's what makes you wealthy and famous. And it's just so. Door knocking is worse than data entry, I promise you. You don't need to do data entry anymore. AI does that. You can talk to AI. The boring people win in the end.

Honestly. Is there a way to override emotional fervor with boringness? No, because we're human beings. Can you make the boringness cool? You know, that's by one of my life's goals. I think there will be, like, I am seeing, especially in young people, there is this pushback where it's like, actually you're cooler if you don't have an Instagram. You're cooler if you're cooler if you're

you're not spending all day on your phone. But it's like once you've been programmed that way, like I grew up on the internet. I was playing video games at three years old. You know, I'm programmed to be addicted to my phone and so many young kids are being programmed that way. But if you can undo that programming and be one of the few people who can read books, who can be in person and be silent and think and not be constantly on the feedback loop of the online world, man, that's powerful.

But it takes a lot of effort if you've already been programmed one way. If you're someone that's listening to shows all day, like that's going to, it's going to be like getting off of crack, literally. Have you guys gone through the phases where, because I went through phases where I listened to no podcasts. I was just creating stuff. I can't listen to it anymore. And I'm over it.

A switch flip that I was just 24, I would have constant podcasts on on the side screen. Constant all day, all day, all day. I'd be working. I'd be typing. I'd be gaming. Constant. But then you can predict what they're all saying

because it's all collapsed into the same. It's a lot of like, the first, the 35 years of my life without listening to podcasts. So without taking... I call it an ideological lap dance. We're all going to the ideological strip club, and we're all going to the ideological strip club. We want our favorite influencer to tell us exactly what we want to hear.

You're so right, Queen. All men are evil. You're so right, King. It's all women. Yes, give me the ideological lap. It's also not to be alone because it brings excessive community. Right. You know, like, there's a lonely, if you're alone, if you sit alone and you don't have a girlfriend or a wife or a husband or whatever.

And then there's two guys hanging out and they're like friends, Joe Rogan and Ari Schaeer, you know, and I'm like, God, somebody's there talking. I can be in the room with, you know, that. Well, I mean, what you're talking about is, or at least what I'm understanding is that, like, people need to. be able to unplug from that stuff. And I'm not, not that I'm like, you know, Ian's the hippie at the table,

if I understand it correctly, but like stuff like meditation and just putting the phone down or just sitting with yourself, that does wonders for you. Like, I mean, I got a kid and so I spent time with my kid and stuff.

But like, if you can just put your device down and actually just sit with yourself for half an hour a day, you're probably miles ahead of all the people that are constantly on their phone, you know? And not that I'm not.

Like, I do listen to a lot of podcasts. I listen to a lot of stuff. I've, you know, I listen to a lot of YouTube stuff. But like, if you can just sit it, sit the thing down and just like focus on something else, that's a big deal for your mental health. It's not, it's like, it's nice to be aware of things. Well, and especially nowadays, like, it's not that this is.

Yeah, this is, this is how, I mean, this is how people get food a lot of times. People get all the, basically all of the necessities of life. They just use their fault. Do you just make a book called It's Not Real Life? It is not. As long as you recognize it's not real life. It's not real life. This is why I think video games are healthier than online politics, because you're aware that it's fake. Well, it's still real life, but it's like a fake thing in real life.

No, it's not real life. It's a part of real life. All your digital stuff is still part of real life. It's just a digital. All right, I thought you were talking about video games. It's like a larp. Everyone is larp. You've created your family. I think this is where like a lot of young people, the 2008 financial crisis, everyone's parents were getting divorced and we were playing Just Dance, you know, in our bedroom or whatever. It's like everything when we were younger and shit was going wrong, you went on the internet to go make your neopets character or your runescape character. And that was more fun. And now the grown up version of that is online politics. Everything, I can never buy a home. I'm not having a successful relationship.

I don't know what my future or culture is or anything. But maybe I can build something like that online. And that's where we go. It's like our comfort place. But it's not reality. You're not building anything real. And that's kind of the point that I was making. with Ian, not to catch you off, but like, the, you're saying, like, video games are real life.

They're not real life. Like, you spend a lot of time trying to, like, make achievements or what have you, and none of that stuff actually transfers into the real world. If I tell you a story about the man who walked through the desert up over the hills, like, that's still real life. It's just a story about a fake thing that I'm telling you in real life. That's what a video game is. I disagree.

But it's like we're going, so like before the internet, we were having all these conversations about how material reality wasn't real life. because it was actually spiritual reality and what was going on in our minds. That was real and we're like seeing and the material world is like a separation from God and now we're like multiple degrees of separation in the video game world like that sounds like Borgards are I think Boudregard's simulacrum so like there there there he wrote a book I think the Iraq war was not a real war right like at at one point at some point in history like a war had like an unpredictable outcome right you we went to World War II and No one knew who was going to win. But then you look at the Iraq War, that wasn't a real war. That didn't happen, right?

It actually happened. There were war-like things going on. People died. But in a war, there's an unpredictable outcome, right? But everyone knew what was going to happen with the Iraq War. And this philosopher is named Borgiard in the 90s. He wrote the book, I think it was called, The Iraq War wasn't real or something like that. But the point is reality has consequences, right?

And when you... engage in things where you know the outcome, it's not real in the same way that other things in reality are. And you, whether people like to admit it or not, you do know the outcome in political realm. You know the talking points you're going to say, you know the responses you're going to get, you know what every influencer is going to say, and that's why it's very comfortable. It's like people who keep rewatching TV shows.

You want to rewatch reruns of the office because you know what's going to happen and it's very comfortable. And that's why when you keep going back to the same political influencers, you know what they're going to say, you know what they're going to do, and it's very comfortable. We never, and it's in discomfort that we grow. Yeah. And no one wants to be uncomfortable. And as we talk about the safe spaces of the left and true, big problem, the right have their own hug boxes now too. Everyone does. And the, the point about discomfort is a really big deal. Like the, the idea that you want, and that's, we talk about like, the, the fact that young people, you know, they kind of like, they live like lives that have been made, you know, snow plow parents and stuff. They just kind of push all of the hard. away from their children so that way they don't ever have to struggle and you end up with a society of young people where things like opinions on the internet that they disagree with become

quote unquote traumatic because they've never had to deal with discomfort and things like that and look i mean not that that i'm some kind of fucking big tough guy or whatever but it's like i try to go to the gym and i exercise and i understand that like you get progress at the gym when it's sucks. You know, it's like if there's a lot of people that I'm friends with that, you know, that never go to the gym or they have gone and they're like, oh, but it hurts so bad and it's like, that's the point. You know, it's so funny. I used to, I had this like crazy interpretation. I think it came from 90s movies where I always convinced you like the hot Chad was a bad person. You know, like Regina George or whatever, always the bad person. And so I always was like, oh, I have to support the underdog. I have to support the nerd. I have to do that. And then it's like, actually, sometimes your physical appearance does link up to your. personal effort you're putting in and that actually makes for a mind that is like okay you're locked in you're trying to be a better person you're doing but hollywood really flipped that narrative on its head in like the 90s and early 2000s Jason bigs yeah try trying to be healthy is important yeah it is a signal of your mental state it's not only like not only that but like the idea like you look at

the and i i know that this is going to be a partisan statement and i fully admit that i'm a partisan i don't care what anyone says i don't care if lauren looks down to me for it but like the fact of the matter is you look at like you look at people on the left that like don't want to exercise they have there they're out of shape or they don't try to look look look presentable the people that want to look good usually that is a reflection of trying to put your best foot forward and it is a good thing to put your best foot forward but there's a realm where that goes too far which is where you see the looks maxing praise yes 100% pure materialism we're wearing a suit absolutely

what the fuck is that all about why do people wear ties yeah I understand I understand presentation I know how to look good I was an actor for 20 years effort to make life beautiful. No, let me just tell you something. Yes, yes, you do. It's so easy to trick people with beauty. You trick yourself. So, like, they've done studies where people that work from home, if they work in their pajamas,

they are less productive than if they get dressed like they're actually going out and go to work. I noticed that as an actor. When I would put on the costume, I became the character. But there is something. That's why people say, like, if you can tell you make it, like, you wear the nice clothes and do the nice things, right? Because it does make a shift in your brain. There is something about truth, order, and. goodness and beauty that is real

that we are definitely far away from. And that's why you should wear the suit. There was a time in my life when the band was touring and stuff and I was like, oh, I don't have to worry about looking good. I don't have to. I can just wear, you know, just wear, because Pantera was super cool and they just look, you know, they just looked like they rolled

out of bed and blah, blah, blah. And it affects the way, it affected not just the way that I felt, but it actually affected our performance. When I try to make sure that I'm clean-shaven or at least don't have like scraggly beard and stuff, and I go on stage, I feel better about myself. I go on stage and I don't want to wear like ratty looking stuff.

There are times where I wear stuff that is that, you know, like has, has strategic rips in it because it's a look I'm trying to get. But I don't go up there and look like I'm disheveled. I don't go up there with like looking like I haven't showered. I haven't done that in years and years. And it does make me feel better about being on stage and it makes me feel better about performing. And that's the kind of thing that like if you get up at a bed when they're saying, when people talk about people that have depression, one of the things. that they say about people with depression is get up and get dressed. If you just sit around in your pajamas all day. Yeah. Oh, plus all those microorganisms seeping into your skin. No. That's that's

that's a different topic. Because the point that I'm making is get up and get out of bed and brush your hair, brush your teeth, take a shower and put on normal clothes as if you're going to go out and do something. So that way you're not laying around pajamas. This is one of the reasons why I hate people that go to the airport dressed in pajamas. You look terrible stop it but you're saying even put your shoes on in your house clear yourself off you put your shoes on in your house like it will create you to feel like you're going somewhere and then they'll start doing chores yeah

that's interesting except there's fecal matter on the bottom of those shoes probably if you were outside of them you could have a pair of house shoes so the balance it's the balance you want to obviously not be a scumb bag that like lays around their own filth for three days um but you also don't want to like put on airs to like trick

people into thinking you're the second coming when you're like a demon I think it's the intention It's like with the looks-masers, the problem is their intention is ego, sex, and status. And so when they get those things, it doesn't fulfill because they actually want someone to love them for who they are and they're going about it the wrong way, right? Even clavicular has come out and said, like, my life is a horror movie. I did this to try to be loved and have attention, but now all he has is attention for his outward image. I remember the first time I moved out of my house when I was like 19, 20 to Toronto, I had this feeling of something was wrong. Why is everything different?

and I realized that life doesn't have a soundtrack. And I thought life had a soundtrack because every morning my parents would wake up early and they'd put on Super Tramp. They'd put on the Beatles. They'd put on Frank Sinatra, whatever it was, and make pancakes. And I was like, oh my gosh,

life doesn't just automatically have a soundtrack. They had to do things to create a beautiful childhood for me. They had to do things to create a beautiful environment for me. And that's putting an effort to make life beautiful for family, for love of others. And there's no cap on that. Love has infinite expansion, right? Whereas ego-centric behavior becomes smaller and smaller.

So you can infinitely create beauty. But if you're infinitely going into the ego, it's going to make things smaller. You've got to define beauty. I agree with what you're saying, but you don't want to overdo. But is playing a song beautiful. But the wrong way. Like, I wouldn't consider playing music for your kid or making them healthy food beauty necessarily. It's like making it look good.

I think that's love. Yeah, it's a form of love, like kindness and good, kind deeds. But like making it look. nice when in the background people are beating each other up is like, but you're adding you're adding new things to it up. Yeah. That is like totally out of the whole of politics. Like we're talking about politics and like,

she was talking about how her home was. Yeah. And her home had when she was growing up always had music because her parents put effort into making it beautiful. And then you're just like, yeah, but there's a guy. What if there's something in the back? What are people up? What is that?

What were worms calling around in the dirt? Yeah, you're not saying. Let me add this crazy thing. It's constant contradictions, bro. So, like, I'm saying that if, if, just to find beauty, because, yes, I had that too. I had warmth and love. Beating people up is not beauty. That's not an expansion of beauty.

What's that? Beating people up is not an expansion of beauty. I grew up with, with the same thing, a really healthy, kind, loving environment. I just thought it automatically happened. And more recently, I've been realizing they made it happen. They were, they were aggressively creating a calm, comfortable environment. And, um, but beauty is a different. I know what you mean when you say it's a beautiful memory.

I get that. But like the visage of what things look like. Beauty is an eyeball sight thing. No, not necessarily. No, there's a feeling as well. Yeah, it's totally not. Like, beauty is not just about aesthetics. Although it is a part or you can have aesthetics that are beautiful.

Like beauty is like if you, you know what? It's a beautiful thing when someone helps an old lady across the street. That's a beautiful behavior. You can have, you can take action in the real world that other people will say, oh, that's beautiful. Okay. He's just trying to say like beauty is subjective. I think that's what Ian's trying to say. I disagree with that.

I do disagree with that. There are people that, like, build up their beauty to trick people to get them to follow up. But that's not. But that's not. But I'm talking about physical appearance. Man, you're more black-filled than me. Like, I have to be black-pilled. Since 2007, bro.

I'm dealing with this shit. But that's not even where they were going with that. Like, they're saying that if you're, like, or I'm saying for intent, if you're doing it for the wrong reasons, that'll show, though. Like, you'll see that. You see that in certain people, like, it will shine. That part will shine through their outward appearance.

Like, when you came in the room and your hair was all done, I was like, that's very lovely. It's nice to look at. Thank you. Like, it's not even, I'm not thinking. But, like, it's nice to look at, right? Spirles. It is.

It is. It's nice to look at. It doesn't all have to be, like, narcissists. It helps the brain, like the patterns and shape recognition can live. literally help your neurons grow. No, there should... What she was saying earlier, what we were there about, like, you know,

putting the nice clothes on and whatever. It's about taking care of yourself. You got to take care of yourself, and you have to, you know, have some self-esteem, right? Like, care about your looks and your appearance. And not in it, not an egotistical way, because, like I said, that will show. You'll see the BBLs and the things.

Like, that's not the same thing as just maintaining yourself. So, like... To make your life easier. Let me, let me interject. Ian, you were talking about, like, suit and tie and stuff like that. You've seen me come into the show hundreds of times, right? My hats are clean.

My shirts are usually, they're not like, I'm not wearing a suit and tie, but they usually look. They're clean. Usually I don't have a mess on them. They're kind of, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're all wrinkled and stuff. My jeans are, are fairly nice. And I, I don't ever think you look that put together. But the point, but the point that I'm making is I don't look like I just rolled out of bed. You know what I mean?

I don't, I don't leave the house. like that. Lisa. He's a rock star. Lisa's here trying. Lisa is just trying to derail everything because because I have nothing to say. I'm looking at you're just right now

and it's like something you'd wear to the. You can wear something tighter, man. It's not. Show off your muscles, bro. I don't wear. That's something you could definitely wear to bed. I don't wear tight shirts and you know exactly why I don't wear. Do you on stage? No. No. No. No. No. Never mind.

No, tell me more. You don't want to show off the muscles? I've said 100. times why I don't wear tight shirts. I'm not sure. I haven't been here. Man boobs. Because I have a gun and I don't want to, I don't want, I don't want, okay. I don't want to, you know, I wear loose shirts so that way I don't print.

And you know I carry a functional. I wear holes in my jeans because it's more windy. Because there's two tails and you can't clear. Anyways, I specifically pick my wardrobe for a reason. At least it's not stained and tattered. No, it's not stained and tattered. I wear pajamas on set because it's cooler. Like the wind blows.

It's a thinner material. You are also, like your entire personality is like a quirky. You always do quirky things. What? You were about to say something. That's a, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm very, well, you know, you. I will be a purple velvet jacket with, like, a Hawaiian t-shirt. To be fair, to Ian, his clothing choice may be eccentric, but it never looks like pajamas.

I used to wear pajamas. I don't know my bad. I mean, made that shirt you're wearing today. He does. And then, there was a time where he would literally roll out of bed and then go to the show. You know what happened?

I used to go on the show with pajamas. I'd be like, who cares what I wear? It doesn't matter to me what clothes I wear. So when they asked me to wear normal pants, I was like, oh, who cares what I wear? Of course I'll just wear the normal pants. I, like, used my own argument against myself to change. Okay.

Like, if I really don't care what I'm wearing, then just wear what they're asking me to wear. I just don't want to wear it. We're talking about beauty, and now we've turned it to work. Yeah, beauty is in politics. People manipulating people. with their visage, you know, that's what it's all about.

The point is, like, beauty is not just in aesthetics. You can behave in a beautiful manner. Like, that's actually, like, something that's real. And it gives you a connection with the real world. Because you're not trying to put on airs or whatever. It's just when you dress nicely and try to look like you're put together, you will try to put your best foot forward. That doesn't mean you have to wear, like, a suit and tie.

But you want to wear stuff that. It doesn't look like, you know, you just roll that at bet. To what end, I guess, is the question. Do we have another news story? I'm sure we do. This is like an ethical debate about how righteous is using beauty. All right. So we can talk about Jesus and Lisa.

You know, I've been saying how great it's going to be to have you on the, on the, uh, the show and I completely take it back. You're just difficult. You know, I'm not trying to be difficult. I'm just like, maybe I'm just a little moody this week. All right. From Fox News. Trump admin launches its first major H-1B visa fraud investigation.

The Trump administration is escalating its crackdown on immigration-related fraud, launching its first major investment into alleged investigation into alleged H-1B and perm visa abuse, labor trafficking, and the displacement of American workers. Labor Department Inspector General Anthony Di Esposito told Fox business on Wednesday. D. Esposito announced that the probe exclusively on Mornings with Maria, calling it the latest step in the administration's expanding anti-fraud campaign ahead of Vice President J.D. Vance's nationwide fraud initiative event in Milwaukee set for later in the day. This is another example where fraud is fueling violent crime, he said. Much of the visa and human trafficking that we see when it comes to this foreign labor is tied to cartels. It's tied to transnational gangs. And this is the work that we should be doing, not only to make America safe again, but to make America more affordable again.

I think that's an actual, like, that's a step in the right direction, but I don't think that the people that are most critical of the H-1B visa program are connecting it to crime. I think they're connecting it to the fact that people can't find a job. They're connecting it to big companies that will fire American workers so that way they can bring foreign workers in cheaper on H-1B visas. And part of the reason why they do that with H-1B visas is because the visa itself is tied to employment. So you get a person from another country into the U.S. that has an H-1B visa and the company has leverage over them. They can say, look, if you don't want to work Saturday, maybe we'll fire

you and, you know, maybe you'll have to go back to your home country because your visa is tied to your employment. And so it makes people afraid to turn, turn down demands by their employer. So, I mean, Lisa, do you think that we should look at H-1B visas in totality and just get rid of all of them like I do or do you think that? Oh yeah, I would get rid of them all. I mean, they also have these like big farm like, you know, H-1B visa farm things where like, you know, somebody in like, say, India will get a bunch of, apply for a bunch of visas and then farm them out for contractor work here and they will be beholden to them. And there's a lot of fraud and abuse in those two. And it doesn't help Americans. It doesn't help wages. It's just not good all around.

What's your take on visa, the visa, H-1B visa situation? She's Canadian. She doesn't have to take it. I don't Really? She doesn't care. I don't care. See, I knew, just like she said, I knew what you were going to say. We know what I'm not even exciting anymore. I'm just, you know the conversation tree. You've updated the information. I love the meta conversation about the conversation. I love that. I hope you guys are keeping up out there. Understanding the structure of what's happening or not. Fair. Fair. I mean, look, they're such lack of faith in your audience. There's a few of them. There's a few of them that get it. I believe in you. You got this. She's lying. You don't even know what I really think about audiences in general. Well, I mean, look.

It's not good for me. I'm the only one telling the truth. You lock in. Let's go. For people like, this is what I think about audiences. Nobody should ever say all that. Individuals are awesome,

but the masses of people can become a little. No, I think most individuals are retarded. I think that if you, if you, I just think that you're kind of pathetic. What do you think, Lisa? What do you think? Lisa, what do you think?

What are you doing with your life? What are you doing with your life? Like to comment, sorry for all our super chatters and all that, but the comment on somebody's YouTube channel to me is wild. We forget that there are crackheads on the internet. Like we forget that half the people yelling at us. Like we would cross the street and be like, ooh, that person's fixed me out.

Think about when you get like a nasty DM. Think about what you get like a nasty private DM from somebody you don't know saying like some horrific thing. Like what a loser you have to be to message somebody. care enough to mess take time out of your day to message you don't know about it is beyond loserville my favorite thing most people in the audiences of all audiences are losers i'll respond sometimes like i get these messages like you're a dumb horror whatever and i'll be like hey why did you say that and they'll be like i'm so sorry i never thought you would respond to me like i actually

you're great i don't know why i said that like i literally just wanted attention like i've had people respond to me this what are you doing though that like that that's even a thing it's just the minority of that will like most of the people that get really negative comments it's a one less than one percent of the audience you know most of the audiences i kind of find that funny i get them all the time people can't wait for me to shut up today right like i don't care but my my point is i to even like write that like there's something wrong with you for sure it's a projection of emotional distress it's really weird and and we don't care that you say those things because we think you're their ex-girlfriend you're their mom you're their dad it's so weird it's like you're just a you're literally

just a stand-in for someone they can't yell at. I know it's bad for this business, but like, I'm telling, I think it's weird. I'm just curious as to why you were like, oh, we should start talking about the next topic when you're just like, as soon as we start talking about the topic, as soon as we're just going to derail it. I'm a big fan of Lisa's derailing. I think all the derailing has been really important. I think we've gotten through a lot here together. I would prefer too brown-nosing. You're just, leave the rails. Kiss and ass. Look, Lauren doesn't care about each one of these. I fight. Me and Lisa have fought this whole time. I'm allowed to say we've our hair looks nice. We've fought more than you two. You guys have just been dick riding each other this whole show.

Well, Phil's just a magnificent dick-stim, I can't. I'm not. You can, everybody that watches this show knows that I give Ian an endless amount of shit. That's why I like you, man. I don't like women in general. Let's just put this out there, right? But I have a lot of respect for Lauren because whenever I have said something to her or confronts to her or said, hey, I don't like this, she actually, like instead of talking shit behind my back,

she will address it with me. There are very few people who do that. Very few. So I will always like Lauren. I feel the same about you. I truly feel the same about you. I had gone up to her. We were outside of almost a bowling alley or something that wasn't.

Were we partying? Were we partying? Were we partying? I thought you said we didn't party. And I was like, I wasn't doing drugs. But anyway, but I came up to you and I was like, yeah, I got a problem with this. And you addressed it with me head on.

We don't talk shit about each other behind each other's backs. I appreciate that from Lauren. And I'm not afraid to tell her how I feel, even if we disagree. I will say that's not always like that. Very rarely. What's that? You have very direct,

I think all four of us have very direct communication styles and are also very disagreeable personality-wise. So if there's a problem, it's way easier to address it with that kind of personality trait. For me, it is anyway.

I think it's healthier to get it out on the table and say what you have to say. And then, you know, if there's any other residual stuff, then let it go. And just hold it in. And just...

Holding it in. is really bad. I think talking bad about people behind their backs is really bad. No, that's why I felt bad talking about Candace. I don't even want to talk. I understand we're in the realm of commentary about what's happening in the world and there are people involved in that. I would sit down and have a phase.

That's the thing, though. I like, I showed up here and I'm like, I'm not going to do a video about Tim disagreeing with me. I'm not going to do a video about Lisa disagreeing with me. I like, I will show up. You guys invited me and I will talk to you face to face, let you have a response. I wish Tim, whatever you watch this again. I did text him.

He wants you to come out and go. Yeah. He wants to. Face conversation with him, 100%. And same with Candice. Like, if Candice ever wanted to talk, I don't think I'm big enough for her to care, but I'd talk to her. So as long as I think there's that aspect of like, I'd talk to you instead of I'm going to talk shit and then I'm going to run when you want to actually have a conversation with me. Cool.

Stuff, because if you've talked shit in the past, then you kind of got to own it when you see him face to face. But you're a coward. If you don't, if you don't. Correct. I've written about having frustrations with the way this show is constructed. I've written about having frustrations about that episode. I'm not going to come on here and pretend I haven't. done that. I didn't even know you did that. Yeah, that's okay. Like, I don't care. It's just like,

you, like you said, you have to be able to say it to their face when you're there. That's what authenticity and honesty is. If you want to actually heal, if you want to harm, you can scream about it into the void when they're not around and let other people pay you for it. But like, if you really want to solve the problem, direct face to, you know, you know what's my say about that, Ian? Smash the like button, share the show with all your friends. Head on over to timcast.com. Become a member so you can join our Discord and head on over to rumble.com so you can watch the after show where Lisa and Lauren are actually going to fistfight because they like to mud wrestle.

They like, whoa, I don't know about that. I don't, I don't. You guys got the pit? I don't know. All right. So, but right now we're going to go to your Rumble rants and your super chats. Let's see. Marusha Dark says, I'm as anti-war as Dave Smith, but the more Iran jerks us around, the more

I'm okay with a coalition of boots on the ground to wipe out the IRGC, not sure why Trump doesn't call for Israel, GCC, Kurds. the Persians to do this. Because Iran is literally a mountain stronghold. There will be no boots on the ground. I talked about this last night. Iran is a very mountainous territory. It is not like Iraq.

There will be no ground invasion. It is not going to happen. Look, if you don't like Iran the way they're behaving, that's fine. If you think that the strikes, the airstrikes are okay, that's fine too. But the idea that the U.S. is going to actually have a serious military buildup and go into Iran, that is not going to happen. Also, you can save this clip. There will not be a U.S. invasion of Iran, not happening.

You're also looking at media from the U.S., from the liberal economic order. So, like, I read this media about Iran attacked three tankers going through the Strait of Hormuz two days ago. Therefore, the U.S. is totally in the right to bomb the shit out of that country. And I'm like, okay, that's all liberal media, like liberal economic, that's Western media. I just quit, and I'm Team America all the way. I don't want to be like, I don't want to question. our government to the point that we lose a war because I would rather have American hegemony

than Israeli egemony or Chinese hegemony. But also you got to understand that this media is being manipulated and coming through funnels. So like, just be careful about jumping on the blow-up Iran bandwagon based on the media you read. Let's see.

Quantum Strange says, keep the booze away from Lauren. And then he sent smiley faces. The booze makes me better, okay? I'm a better driver. They always say that I'm drunk. Every show, the chat says that I'm drunk. And I'm like, I get drunk at about five, okay?

Don't worry. I got a nice little buzz going. Kevin D says, God bless Phil, for dealing with this in person. At least I can mute. Brutal. The Chad was not happy with me and Lauren talking about. There's a lot of criticism. There's a lot of criticism.

Feel free. Go for the harshest one against. The harshest one. Yeah. Let me give me a second here. I'm sure. The harshest. Too many?

Is it about the tone that they were doing? Did you hear on noise my tone? No, there we go. Lauren, I'm changing my mind on tape because of you, but I just want to know, did I hook up with Destiny and say he has a beautiful mind? I think that he meant did you? Listen, okay? Somebody just said it there.

They were like, oh, Lisa's so tough, but she won't ask Lauren about Destiny. I'm like, because I don't give a shit about that. Everyone knows about my dating Destiny. What do you want to know? I've written about it in a book, okay? You know, you know what? Everyone's just mad at me for being a woman in a male-dominated field. All these guys in the right wing sphere will go after the BPD blue-haired like art ho from college and then I do it and I'm in trouble

That's kind of funny I'm literally acting like all the right wing men I've watched around me Yellow Flash production says destiny's angel isn't trustworthy Anyone who would touch that thing is scum like him did enjoy the w on Jeremy though What's the w on Jeremy? Oh, I wrote a piece about the quartering in my substack. Go check it out, Lauren Southern. You did?

At Lauren underscore Southern on Twitter. I posted the video to Tommy as well. Are you in like a radical openness phase? I'm in a radical openness phase. I mean, it's not, it's probably not good for my reputation, but I think it's good for people in general and humanity in general. It's good for my health. It's really good for my health.

KMAX McDonald said, who would you most want to debate on the right, Lauren, that you have not gotten to? Would it be Myron Gaines or the whatever podcast guy, Brian? The whatever podcast guy has invited me on, but I'm still a little skeptical of whether that's good or bad to do. I've asked to debate Myron gains. I've just set up finally a debate with Rachel Wilson, so that's happening. But yeah, I'll debate Myron if he's up for it. We'll put you on the, we'll do a cultural war with the O'Miron.

There we go. Whatever sounds like it would be awesome for you. Would you be the one versus the group? It's funny. Me. There we go. But no, but it's fine. In Addick says, I don't suit it.

super chat often, but when Lisa brought up the Lisa Laurent thing, I thought she'd finally address the elephant in the room. They're so easy to mix up. Does Tim pay Lisa in liquor as well? I don't drink like that. Everybody knows that. Like, what is happening? Everyone does not know that. Everyone disbelieves you. I think because I'm like so

animated or I, because I have like a little lisp too. They always think I'm drunk and they always confused me with that the girl that did get drunk on the show. What was that one girl? Lauren Southern? No. There was a different girl. I don't want to say if it's wrong. Amanda Millet. No, I don't want to say if it's wrong. No, I don't remember.

Really is got hammered. Yeah, she got hammered on the show. They always confused me with her. That's one. But I don't drink like that. I like her. I have one drink. We'll say this.

I had one drink last night with dinner. And I was so hurting this afternoon today that I said, didn't I, didn't I come in here? And I was like, you were with me. Oh, yeah, you're faded. I had one drink. And I was like, I can't do this. I don't. It doesn't affect me.

I don't like. You're thin. You have no tolerance. It's my heart thing, too. But like, I can't drink anymore. I don't drink. Roll loose. Herolden says, Lisa, what do the people in the business and in the know say about aliens?

It's funny that you say that. A lot of people in Congress say that they are real. I don't really think they are, but that's okay. Oh, here we go. Here's a good one for Lauren. Anchor on 504 says, hey, Lauren, you talked about owning up to what you've said in the past. Well, I'm sorry, Lauren, for how I've treated you in the past. I only wish I could change the past.

Hope you're doing well. I don't know what that person is. I appreciate that. AARCon 504. A nice one. Yeah, you know. All right. Let's see.

I like that now you're getting into reading all the bad ones. Hans One Pack says, if only these influencers would stop having sex with each other, then complain later like anyone cares about their sex lives. Do you guys act like, I will say this though, like people act like that like that doesn't happen in other fields. Like look at nurses and cops. I mean like, you know, it's human nature people around each other. I have had sex with zero.

zero people in the political world. I'm not sleeping around. But I'm just saying, you're just kind of ignoring, like, the human element of it. No, I don't think it's good to do any of all that. But, like, it happens. You know what I mean? Like, what are you going to do? Literally, who cares about the sex stuff?

Like, who cares? You're actually mentally ill if you care about who's having sex with who. But the criminal stuff, like, that matters. Like, committing crimes and trafficking underage children, that matters. The sex stuff is like, dude, you're in an industry with a bunch of hot people that are like, famous and rich. So like, it's tempting. And then like... Who's famous and rich?

All of us. We're all relatively... You guys are rich? Some rich. Like, famous or rich, I guess. But it's about like a testament of like, do you have self-control? Like, can you control yourself in this industry? I tell anybody that like joins the industry?

I'm like, bro, you're going to get all the drugs, all the sex and all the money you need. So you got to control your body. That animal is wild, bro. A different industry? Like, honestly... D-sage 20... Have you been a CPAC? D-C-H-29 says this episode of Foxypon.

boxing is brought to you by the Timcast Discord. This is funny. I'm having a good time, though. They are. At least is interesting. Here's one that's actually not about you two. Platner, Thalach says, Plattner shouldn't be able to choose his replacement. The Democrat voters chose him.

So if he drops out, Colin should win by default. The general is for the people that were elected in the primaries. I mean, look, I am like I've said a bunch of times, I'm an open partisan. I would like to see anything happen that would prevent Democrats from getting into positions of authority because I think that they're a terrible, terrible bane on the American people. But I don't think that that's actually going to happen. First of all, the Democratic Party is a private company. And so is the Republican Party. They're private companies.

They have their own rules about how to elect their candidate, which is very strange. You think for a national election that you have a private company deciding who your candidate is going to be. But they have these super delegates, the Democrats. There's 700 of them. I don't know if this works at the state level. This is the federal system. And those seven, so basically you vote as a Democrat, and then you get these electors, these 4,000 electors go, and they're supposed to vote for who you voted for. But then there's 700 of these electors that are just like Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton.

They're pre-appointed. They get to say before the other 4,000 people. So, no, it's not about the masses. It's not about the popular vote. It's about who the delegates decide they want as their candidate. And it's the same in the Republican Party, except instead of 4,000 people, there's 170 of them. they get to decide. If someone drops out mid-campaign, they just get to install somebody. That's the rules on the books right now, as far as I know nationally. And again, I don't know about

the state, but if you don't like it, change it. Let's see. Hansen Pack said Candice figured out, figured she would speed run being Alex Jones. She is winning. I mean, I guess. So hey, look, smash the like button, share the show with all your friends. Like I said, head on over to Timcast.com and join the Discord. Head on over to rumble.com so you can join us in the after show which is starting in just a moment uh Lauren where can people find you yeah you can find me on X at underscore Lauren. Wait what is my username at Lauren underscore Southern that's it and then on instagram at Lauren Sheree with two eyes and sub-sac Lauren Southern and check out my book this is not real life on Amazon thanks for watching

Lisa do you want to talk it out or should I you can do it's going to be Carter it's probably Carter Banks will talk last so yeah you Lisa was already Lisa yeah we'll direct here and I'm here and that's it I'm here and that's it just keeping it casual we're in a high stress high-paced environment

business politics it's also 111 degrees so you know it's also like 111 degrees outside it's 111 bro riled up but like I'm all about honesty radical transparency and openness I want to bring it to the political kindness all the way appreciate the people around you and the things around you

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