Timcast IRL - Ryan Long Uncensored: Ballot Bomber May Strike Again Warns Police

Episode Date: November 3, 2024

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Welcome to our special weekend show, Sunday Uncensored. Every week we produce four uncensored episodes of the TimCast IRL podcast exclusively at TimCast.com and we're going to bring you the most important for our weekend show. If you want to check out more segments just like this, become a member at TimCast.com. Now enjoy the show. The song, I'm still not going to read the name because I will not have those words leave Now, enjoy the show. uh-huh and uh it you it was on youtube for a while and i you could pull it up but it is gone now and the song is basically like yo that's wild the offspring removed the song from reissues of their self-titled album because the song's controversial nature the song was met with so much controversy

that wally george destroyed one copy of the album at his show, Hot Seat in 1992. Dude, that's wild. It's as punk rock as you get. I don't know, that's a bit over the top, man. How do you hear the song, though? There's no way to play it anymore. Well, I mean, if you want to go on that download link, but that's super sketchy.

It's funny, I don't remember any of this controversy, and I was there at the time. No. Paying attention. Do you remember this? I mean, I wasn't into The Offspring at the time, but I mean, I was... They were so big.

Totally gone. And I was very... I mean, I'm a professional musician for the past 25 years in an underground metal band. I don't remember. It was just kind of whatever. You know, it was no big deal back then. Yeah, I think people didn't take it seriously.

I think people didn't believe anyone was actually going to play all these songs. I probably still know how to play all these songs. They may come out and play, dude. That thing was out of left field, man. I've never heard anything like that before. That was like genre-inducing. It's wild to me that when I was younger, they had these songs that were like

kind of fucked and then as they got i mean i might me and my friends basically abandoned them largely after conspiracy of one because it became very poppy and we're like whatever but we still liked the like you know their earlier albums now they're they might as well just be called like offspring of the machine you know hillary's offspring or whatever you want to call it democrat offspring they're basically like i mean probably better as anti-trump offspring i mean yeah look there's the on spring the 90s there was you know the underground death metal scene like cannibal corpse it was like one of my favorite death metal bands growing up. And it's like, they have like, literally this is a song.

Entrails ripped from a virgin's cunt. Isn't there an anal cunt? AC was a band, you know, anal cunt. They had a record called I Like It When You Die. Slayer searching for ways to achieve the Holocaust. Yeah, I mean, it was normal for extreme music to be extreme and i think that even even though the offspring was uh was a punk band that was still considered you know extreme because it was underground punk and this is something that

i've talked about on pcc nowadays because of the internet and i think this is possibly going to be all like in the future in the 80s and nineties or earlier, there was an underground because you had to actively go look for this stuff. And it wasn't as easy as typing in a Google search. So as soon as the internet got into everyone's pocket and everyone got to the point where they could just search for music on Google, the internet disappeared because I'm sorry, not the internet. The underground disappeared because if you don't physically have to go to the place to find the music, I used to have to go to, there was one record store in within an hour of my house that had the death metal bands that I wanted to listen to.

They would, that when the new record would come out, I could go and buy the CD, but I had to drive 30 minutes at, you know, 15 years old or 16 years old. That meant that I probably had to ask my mom or I had to, you know, I had to get in the car and drive a half an hour just to go to the place that might have the records that I wanted to listen to.

Because, so it was an activity. The Columbia House. Well, yeah, yeah. But even Columbia House, Columbia House wasn't going to have everything. They weren't going to have Butchered at Birth. You know, they weren't going to have Cannibal Corpse stuff. They weren't going to have gore metal bands.

And that was the stuff that I wanted, so... Gore metal. Oh, yeah. It was essentially slasher films, but in a song form. Yeah. So it was like, you know, all the 80s slasher films where it was as gory as you could have, like Trauma, the Traumaville movies, like the Toxic Avenger and all that stuff where it was just as gory as you could have like trauma the traumaville movies like the the toxic

avenger and all that stuff where it was just as gory as you could possibly be like they were just in song form as opposed to visual and like you you had to actually necro is the rap version of that necros that was one of them you know that there's i mean that god there's there's i think he was influenced by a lot of that stuff he said. Definitely. But you can't have an underground when all you have to do is type into a search bar what you're looking for and it's brought. You're saying that the scarcity of it and the, I don't know what the right word would be, but the quest to get it is part of the culture. It absolutely was part of the underground. And it wasn't something that, you know, you could just find easily. It was something you had to actively go out and find.

And so, you know, a lot of people didn't, most people didn't know that there was bands called Cannibal Corpse or Necrophagist or whatever. They just hadn't, or Anal Country or whatever. They had no idea because they'd never gone and actively looked for it. It wasn't played on the radio. So if you didn't know where to go to buy these records, if you didn't know the clubs, the bars and clubs that had that would let the bands play there, you know,

you wouldn't ever be exposed to it. You knew that there was like an underground and there was pop, you know, punk rock and blah, blah, blah. But, you know, it wasn't something that was in your face nowadays. If there's something that's too edgy, someone. But you know, it wasn't something that was in your face nowadays. If there's something that's too edgy, someone's going to complain about it on the internet. And next thing you know, there's going to be all kinds of people saying, you can't do this. You can't do that. You can't say this. You can't say that it was brought to my attention in my Twitter feed, or it was brought to my attention in my Facebook feed. And now I have a strong feeling about a thing that I never interacted with, had no idea it existed until it was put into my feed.

And now not only do I have a strong feeling about it, I'm now going to actually make it my business to go and try and stop you from doing it. Do you think it was a good thing that there was music called Ripper Gory Cunt to shreds? That was good shit? There was nothing wrong with it. Do you think it's a healthy outlet for humanity to have that? He sees it as like a horror movie. Like I said, it was just like horror movies. Human beings have looked at death as part of art

for as long as there's been human beings. Human beings have been fascinated with death for as long as there have been human beings. You can look back at all of ancient history, and on the hieroglyphics, they had skulls and all that stuff. It was something that people have always been fascinated with. So it's not novel.

It wasn't something unique. It was part, death is part of the human condition, and so people always were, have always been fascinated by it. And to help to alleviate the fear of it people do things like you know the what is the the the festival of death in mexico whatever what it's called yeah so you know and and that's just something that's been normal i'm sure that then she has ideas on it but yeah you the point being, there hasn't been an underground since there's been this. He's got his rap, his crap shirt.

He's ready. Yeah, exactly. My Ben Shapiro rap, his crap shirt. But I mean, I agree people have always been interested in death and talked about it. And it's an important subject. It's better to have a society that thinks about death than never thinks about it. But at the same time, I don't think the controversy is around music being made around death. I think it's the specific language that's used in the level of vulgarity like i i don't

think the issue people take with the song that ian mentioned is that death is mentioned fair i mean fair enough the point of bands like cannibal corpse was to be as extreme as possible if you listen to the music there's also people always have that conversation, like it's binary. The truth is, like a healthy society, people are, artists are going to be pushing it. And then there's also people who are going to be unhealthy societies. Like, all right. Yeah. Every mom, every mom shouldn't be promoting it.

They probably should. Your average person should be like, yeah, that's a lot. It shouldn't be normalized where it's like on the, but that is a normal society, but you're allowed to do it. And your most average it's like on the but that is a normal society but you're allowed to do it and your most average person's like all right i don't think i don't know if my kids should be watching this or whatever maybe i will say in an odd way even though i like i disagree with all of it and think all of it's bad i think there's a weird agreement do you think it should be allowed is the question i think the weird agreement is that we both agree that it's

better when it's niche there's kind of a strange thing there because people will want to do these edgy, bold things, but then as soon as they become mainstream, it's not fun for them anymore. And so this is something you'll even see with like OnlyFans, right? Obviously, I've said this before, I'm against all porn, but these women who talk about how the society has these puritanical standards

and they complain about that, it's like they're complaining about the thing that allows them to make money. Like they wouldn't be making money if other women weren't ashamed to do that in most cases. So they'll complain. They cross the picket lines. Yeah, exactly. The argument isn't there shouldn't be pick up lines.

Exactly. It's like they only make money doing what they're doing because of the taboos and then they go, well this taboo needs this. I mean I've done like edgy comedy shows where that's like the thing. It's like the wild, crazy, edgy shows. Everybody knows about the aristocrats joke. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, my point is it feels gross. Once it's like you're supposed to be doing that, it kind of like you're like, well, there's no fun anymore. Wait, what do you mean? Have you gotten woke outrage recently? No, I would say that it's in some ways the other way where I think that at this particular moment, I,

if you look at, you know what happened in the last week, it kind of gives you a glimpse into what it might look like if Trump wins. But I would say right now in terms of like comedy, I would say if you watch, you know, someone posts, uh,

something super puritanical of like on the, against comedy, I feel like the average sentiment of a person is comedians should go out and make jokes. With you doing stage shows, have you had people be like, hey, you can't say that? No. Has it ever happened to you? Yeah, of course.

I'll tell you, Danny on my tour, one of the ones that always makes me laugh is he's gotten probably the most complaints. We were on tour and he would get like he had like three or four ladies he had one recently that was really mad and it was because he's anti-semitic and he's Jewish you know we have a super he goes our bit he has we did that has he got more than me we did

a show with with Ryan and he got real close to the front of stage and he yelled the f-word I was like what the fuck of the stage and he yelled the F word. Did I? You were saying you were going to sign his thing. I was like, what the fuck? It was like the punchline of some joke. Oh, I'm like... You're telling a story and then, like, I think you were quoting, like,

and then the guy said, you know, and then you yelled... Which F word? The good one or the tame one? The F word. There was a really funny bit, Danny, that was speaking of the antics. Oh, I think I know what you're...

I was saying there... Yeah, I think I actually think that's on my special that I just released. No, it is, but I bleeped it and the-Semites. Oh, I think I know what you're, I was saying there. Yeah, I think I, I actually think that's on my special that I just released. No, it is, but I bleeped it and the joke wasn't that. Oh, you bleeped it? I go, you're allowed to say it, but I go, I think I'm saying people say you can't say things you can, and then I say it and I'm like, well, I bleep it on YouTube. But I wanted to ask, because this, this anti-Semite thing that, that Danny got accused of, it

was a woman at the show? Or it just didn't... She was like a lady. The thing is, when you're touring now, there's comedy clubs in the city, and then your tours. Your tours, especially if your shows are sold out, there's no one there who doesn't know who you are. But if a show's not sold out, there's going to be

some people that just went to a comedy show. And they don't know who you are. And hear Danny say that his grandmother had one of the tattoos from the Holocaust and hers was on her lower back. Joke. He said he calls it a camp stamp. He had a joke.

And this lady flipped and then he goes, he's released this material so I don't think I'm going to say it, but he goes he goes, is it okay if I do these jokes if I'm Jewish? I'm not.'m just but he is but he totally is no he had this really funny bit he was doing where he is like he claims he does this bit where he's just this very autistic guy who's not anti-semitic but his hyper fixation is figuring out how many jews are in things so he like collects images of like different jewish people and he's like i just want to know how many Jews are in things. So he collects images of different Jewish people. He's like, I just want to know how many Jews there are.

He's like, it is my fixation as an autistic person. He gives them numbers and everything. Yeah, where he's got different images. He's like, I just like taking pictures of people and putting stars of David over them. It's my autism. But there is, you have to define. What's funny about that, those people who make those lists,

is that one of them had Luke Rutkowski on it. And I'm just like, I can't understand where they decided to create a list of media personalities who are Jewish and they put Luke on it. Do you think, I think some of us have to just be messing with people. No, they apologized apparently. Luke was like, that's the worst insult that I could ever give to someone. So sorry. Whoops, we put Luke Rudkowski on the list of Jews in media and he's not Jewish.

I get called a Jew all the time on the internet. Why? Because I defend Israel. It's cheap. That's the weirdest thing. Even if you don't defend it, if you don't criticize it, you're still a Jew. It's just like, I have no strong opinion on Israel. I'm sure a shill.

Is there a little hat under that beanie? I hope I'm Jewish. There is. People ask me, and I just don't know how to answer because I don't know. You never know. You never know if you're Jewish. Yeah, you do. I think if you don't know, you're not.

Shane is going to be part of the lost tribe. Winnie 3 and Neil tell you. Isn't that, wait, is it the Northern Irish you said that we got into a whole, we were talking about? The Northern Irish claim that they're a lost tribe of Israel. Well, I'm not Northern Irish. The real, they have the real, the Irish, all Israelites? One dude.

That's true. The Northern Irish. Don't you know that's where the real Jews are? It's the Northern. That's so funny. I didn't know that. One sneaky Jew gets up there and impregnates 30 or 40 women, dude, and you've got a whole country of them. I mean, you go back far enough.

Sneaky Jew? One sneaky guy that's Jewish gets in there and impregnates 30 or 40 ladies, and 700 generations later, you've got me. That's what I'm saying. The real Irish Israelites is hilarious. The real Irish Israelites. It's real. Let me try and find it. That's what I'm saying. The real Irish Israelites is hilarious. The real Irish Israelites. It's real. Let me try and find it.

So here's one image. I'm trying to pull it over. I hope I'm Jewish. I wish, for real, legitimately, because I feel like I would be able to talk about Judaism way more effectively. This is the peace wall. On one side, it's all pro-Palestine because they're like, we are the same as the Palestinians.

We are an occupied oppressed group. And on the other side, they have like Israeli flags. Let me try and find it. You want to know the best way to talk about Jewish people? Learn a lot about Judaism. Hell yeah. If you know a lot about it and you're correct about the things you're saying. You're saying they like that?

No, I'm just saying that if you're correct, you can kind of deflect the accusations. Better than just being like, hey, I'm Jewish. That's kind of like saying, hey, I got a black friend. Look at my badge. An Israeli flag flies to the loyalist Sandy Row area of the Belfast City Center on October 23rd, Northern Ireland. Maybe thousands of miles from the Middle East, but signs of the current heightened conflict can be seen in the streets. Let me try to find a better one, though. It's not shocking because if a guy, a Jewish guy, 1,700 years a bunch of families that would they wouldn't look Jewish after are more political than it is racial.

Right. Because the the the loyalists are loyal to the crown and the crown is pro-Israel. The people that are against the the English are likely pro-Palestine. They tend to be on the left. It's far more political than it is actually about Jews. Right. I don't want to make this a Jewish thing, but 400 bucks for that photo is a little steep. There you go. The Irish-Jewish connection.

You can't help but make it Jewish if you don't want to pay the price. When I went to Northern Ireland, I can't find images, but there's like a big Israeli flag on one side. And the locals were explaining to me that. We're the real Jews. No, they were saying that the troubles are so psychotic. Oh, just give me a schmeckle over here. That people in Ireland don't actually know or care what they're fighting about anymore. It's just whatever you are, we are the other.

Yeah. And so when the Irish started saying we align with Palestine because they're oppressed and occupied. Yep. The North said, well, we're Jewish. Oh. That's how psychotic everyone is. Like, dude. I didn't know the Northern Ireland

and Ireland beefs were so strong still. Oh, dude. It's fucking nuts. There's memorials to people who went and massacred children. There's a guy that took guns and they just went and started shooting at kids. My family originally.

Yay! They were fucking crazy. That's how crazy shit got. You got North Ireland? Belfast, yeah. Yeah, dude, Belfast. We just went to Ireland and my mom was mad that I didn't go see it. Belfast?

Mm-hmm. Oh. Was that the capital of Northern Ireland or something? Belfast, Northern Ireland, right? I don't know the politics. I've actually never been to Ireland, believe it or not. I've been through Dublin. I went to the airport.

Had a Guinness. Oh, wait. Here's one of them. The future is yours if you have the will to have the faith, and we salute you Israel, the British flag, John Henry Patterson, or whatever. I don't know if that's the peace wall.

It might be part of the wall. Like I said, a lot of it boils down to support for England and the UK, or support for or hatred for the UK or support for you know or hatred for the uk if you don't like england you don't like the british and you don't like the uk which is i don't don't remember if it's the north or the south but one part of ireland is is still part of the eu one part is loyal to the uk like if you're loyal to the uk then you're pro israel because israel is considered a vestige of the

United Kingdom and all that stuff. Look at this one. This one's famous. What is that? It's the Irish flag reaching out through bars to the Palestinian flag. Oh, shit. When I was in D.C., there was a Palestine protest

and there was a lot of people that had signs that were like, Joe Biden, you're Irish, you should know better kind of thing. And they were, I never, I didn't really understand what the connection was. It's the whole world, at least the whole political world is very much a left and right dichotomy. So if you're, if you're pro America, you're probably pro Israel. You're probably pro UK. If you're against America, you're probably pro-Israel, you're probably pro-UK. If you're against America, you're probably pro-Palestine, you're probably against the British Empire or against the British. Maybe you'll be pro-EU more than you would be pro-United States.

But you're saying most countries kind of in general fall around those lines? I think it's not so much countries, it's more people, because there are people in those countries that still fall into that same kind of dynamic. There's this thing called the non-aligned movement. I don't know if you guys look at it much or read about it a lot, but it's basically like the UN for every other country that's not in the UN. I don't know if it's literally every other country.

So that just falls along your lines of left and right dichotomies of reality. We'll go to callers unless you guys wanted to add anything to wrap up. Nah. Except that Judaism's awesome. I wanted to move on. All right. Let's go. We've got Percent M.

Welcome to the show. Hello. Hello. Thank you for having me. You're quite welcome. I'm here. I have been keeping this question on the back burner for months, specifically to ask it when Seamus is on. Nice.

Seamus. Yes. The left seems to rely almost entirely on faith to support themselves in their efforts. Although they do not adhere to a recognized religion, I would argue that they depend on their faith so much that it leads them to a cult-like worship of anything that can assert a higher authority over them, often at the expense of reality itself. Given that religious faith often requires an acceptance of something beyond our understanding, such as the divine or the supernatural, how important do you think it is that an acceptance of reality, or I screwed that up badly, how important do you think it is, I can't say this to save my life. No, you're good, you're good. How important do you think an acceptance of reality is to a healthy faith and why? That's a great question. I mean, I think

the acceptance of reality is incredibly important to a healthy faith. And there's this meme that we've been sold by New Atheism that religious belief and a recognition of reality are fundamentally incompatible. Of course, the truth is, if you are religious, it's not as if you just have this separate bin for things you think are true and things that your religion says. If you're religious, you believe that both are true, so then the question is, how well does your religion line up with reality? If your religion lines up with reality, it's true.

If not, it's false. I think with leftists, a lot of the claims they make are directly related to things that are tangible. They're right in front of us. We know they're not true. So things like men can get pregnant, a man can become a woman. These aren't supernatural claims about the nature of the universe. I mean, for example, or they are, I'm sorry about the nature of the universe, but not the origin. So if you look at what Aristotle and Aquinas say about how we can reason to the fact that the universe was created, that's something that's totally in line with logic and reason. They don't just appeal to faith, they actually give you an argument for why that's the

case. And then from there, you start to examine world religions. And I can probably get into this at another point when we have a little bit more time, just sort of the rough-shot apologetics I do for why I am Catholic. But to give a very, very condensed version, I believe the universe has to have a primary cause. I believe that just is true as a matter of logic rather than a matter of faith. And then out of all of the religions, I believe that Christianity is by far the most plausible for a number of reasons.

And I believe that Catholicism is the original instantiation of Christianity. That's obviously all going to be relatively controversial here. So without getting into too much of a debate about it, I'll just say when you talk about leftism, it's more of these very immediate claims about the things that are right in front of you and what you have to believe about the nature of reality and like a lot of dogmatic assertions that don't actually map on to a logical framework. So no immigrants entering a first world country from the third world can ever cause problems for that population. That's a de facto religious belief of the left, because anytime you point out that immigrants are causing problems anywhere,

that's always a right-wing conspiracy theory. That's always incorrect. You know, men can get pregnant. There's a million different articles of faith here, but because they aren't officially recognized as a religion, or they don't usually refer to any kind of God in the traditional sense, we absolve them from the necessity of having to adhere to a separation of church and state with respect to how they promote their values. So that's a very long-winded way of saying I think recognizing reality is not just compatible with religion, I think it's fundamental to it, and they certainly don't. I think their faith clearly takes them in a direction of believing totally absurd things that we could all say are either, like, at best, unjustifiable, at worst, completely not true.

And, of course, like, everyone stumbles onto things that are true. I'm not saying everything that anyone you know who's on the left says or believes is automatically going to be ridiculous and untrue either. You said controversial and looked at me. Do you agree with what Peter Thiel said, where he said that he thinks the new atheist movement was a politically correct way to criticize Islam, and then Islam's not really the biggest threat right now. So it's kind of they've somewhat become a little bit like less – have less utility of that movement. And that's one of the reasons it's like disintegrating and they don't know what to do. That's a really, really good take. I think functionally-

You know what Peter Thiel said. I think atheism worked really well for like 18 year olds. And then as people started to get older and actually experienced that- Are you a religious, Tim? I am probably deist is probably the closest explanation, though I'm not well-versed on what the deist philosophy largely is, but I believe in God.

And I think that when a lot of people are young, so Colin Wright had a post, which was, I feel like locked in. It's gonna be very condescending, I suppose, but- Locked in. It was like a 19 year old mentality. I know Colin's an evolutionary biologist and he's very smart,

but there's some lot, it seems like he reached a certain point of logical development and stopped. And I'm not trying to be a dick. I genuinely think that if you continue the path of science, reason, philosophy, you go past where he currently is. Again, I'm not trying to be intentionally a dick or condescending. And you can, by all means, say, Tim, you're stupid and wrong. I'm just telling you how I think about these things. And so what I mean is he said, just because we haven't explained the origin of life doesn't mean we should suppose or presume a supernatural origin to the origin of life. But I suppose when you read enough about physics, theology, philosophy, etc., supernatural is a

meaningless term. And so when I said to him, I said, define supernatural, he responded with not natural. And I'm like, okay, dude, that's like a sixth grade response. That would be a-natural, not supernatural. No, you don't use the definition of a word in a word. The definition of supernatural is beyond our understanding or seemingly to defy the laws of physics. So the problem is there is no such thing as supernatural. And this is sixth grade science. Again, not trying to be a dick. It literally is. The quote is, science, reasonably advanced science is indistinguishable from magic. Anything that can exist can be explained. Even if you say, at the end all be all of science, there is a God who can fold his arms and go, and it appears, there is an explanation within the natural order that God is a function of the universe.

Is the idea that it was— Call it a God force. By definition, if it happened, there is an explanation for it. Yes. And so saying supernatural is just saying something like, I don't know, therefore I won't consider it, which is a silly and naive way to approach things. By all means, make your hypotheses. So the argument is, we don't know the origin of life.

That does not mean it is wrong to say, I believe there is a God or that God may be the origin of life. It's just simply, there is no scientific explanation to a certain point. We seek answers. Okay. In that case, people are going to come up with a bunch of wild hypotheses and each and every one of them does not necessarily mean it's going to be supernatural just because you think God exists. I'll put it this way. If you went to an, if you went to a scientist atheist and said, is it possible that there is a undiscovered force, much like the electromagnetic force or the nuclear force, that could be considered like a life function force that we've not yet discovered? And they'll go, sure. And you go, so that there is some kind of, just like gravity, there is some kind of natural phenomenon of or as a nature to reality, maybe in a higher level dimension that has the ability to ignite life in a way we've not yet understood? They'll say, yes, of course. Okay, if I call that God, are you mad at me? And then they're going to go, oh, wow, that's supernatural. Now I'm like, no.

When we didn't even know air existed, this is one of my favorite explanations on this stuff. Air was discovered. Early humans did not realize that there was gas and we were in an atmosphere. They just, it was the ether or whatever. And then some dude was taking a shower and they had these bronze balls or brass balls. You plug the tube, the straw, or you dip it in water, plug the straw, lift it up, and then let go and water pours over your head. And then he was like, hey, how come if I put my thumb over it, then dip it, no water goes in? And he went, I think there's something in there.

And then he actually did the test and he was like, hey, there's actually something here. You feel wind. And you can measure it. Yeah, but feeling wind was just like spirit force. It was like wind was an element and no one knew what it was. Like the concept of zero didn't exist. You're saying it's, yeah, yeah, yeah. People had to discover these ideas so at a certain point if you were like i can uh this people still

ask me how the fuck this thing floats i'm like bro we've known about magnets since we were like hundreds of years and they're like but it's floating i'm like it's called magnets they're people icp famously asked that question they They did. Yes. How do magnets work? And so the fascinating thing is there are many things that we consider natural that we cannot understand. We have theories of gravity. We know gravity exists. We have we have explanations and special relativity as to why we believe gravity exists. And it is effectively that thinking about it in a in a fourth dimensional plane apply a fourth-dimensional plane to a three-dimensional plane, put a ball on a thin silk mesh, and it creates a bowl where things will pull towards it. Lightning is another one.

People don't really know why lightning happens. Well, we have generalized explanations, but we know that we're largely wrong. That is, friction within the atmosphere creates a charge, a negative charge. Runaway breakdown, that's another one. And then the charge seeks to equalize between the Earth and the planets. earth all the energy coming like those sprites that shoot out into deep space sorry to interrupt kind of interject what you're saying but you see blue sprites shooting up above the lightning going out into the fucking universe and as the lightning comes down like what the fuck is happening anyway instead of ranting on this stuff as i often do i'll just wrap by saying

when a lot of us were young and on the internet, myself included, all the atheism stuff was just fun social stuff. We were like, haha, these people are dumb, but we weren't reading any science. When you would go on the atheism subreddit, all you're doing is ragging on people you don't like. When I actually started reading physics books and philosophy books, I went, oh, shit, God's real. I had several conversations with religious people. I read several books on physics and philosophy. And then I was like, oh, shit, that's people. I read several books on physics and philosophy. And then I was like, oh shit, that's obvious. What are your thoughts on God and religion?

But we should, we got to get other callers too. So if the- The deepest question of your life, Ryan. Do you want to add anything else? PercentM, did you want to add anything? Are you talking to me anymore? Okay. No, that was expansive and uh well

thought out so uh i'll just leave it here i did also go through the um i'm gonna call it the religious gauntlet i suppose i started as a devout catholic and became a confident atheist and am now a cautious gnostic basically so there you go well thank you so much for your call, man. It's been a fun ride. Hell yeah, dude. Alright, thanks for calling in. And Seamus is basically the reason that I now own the five volumes of St. Thomas Aquinas. Wow! Good for you, man. Good for you. God bless

you. Alright, thanks for calling in. I'll just be reading later. See you, man. Alright, so this is from Garrett Targaryen. He says, Tim, do you believe in Jesus, Yes or no? I believe Jesus existed. I do not believe that he was son of God. But that answers your question. I will grab the next caller. Let's see. Heaviest of ghosts. Welcome to the show.

Deep name. Hey, how are you guys all doing today? Doing well. Feeling that dark matter. Base? It doesn't exist, Ian. Hopefully. Oh! We'll find out. Dark matter? Nassim Harriman agrees with you.

It's a parade right now. I think you might be right. Oh, don't get me started on the possibility of dark matter and why I don't believe it exists. I kind of want to get you started. I'm kind of of the same mind.

I think dark matter and dark energy are just them saying we don't know. No, it's, I mean, it's an obvious explanation. We detect matter in outer space. We see its gravitational force and movements. It just means the light is not reaching us.

That's it. So there is normal matter. And at some point in the journey across the universe, the light that is coming from these objects is ripped apart, moved, absorbed, or gone. So you can see the gravitational effects, but the light can't travel to us, so we don't perceive it on the electromagnetic spectrum. What about dark energy? Same thing.

I don't know if about it, but Nassim's... Dark matter and energy are, we can see the effects of it happening, but we can't detect it. Yeah, okay. That doesn't, it could be any normal state of energy or matter that we can't detect from this distance or for a certain reason we haven't yet understood.

It doesn't mean that dark matter and dark energy exists. Anyway, what's your question? So my question is actually for Seamus. Oh, nice. As I watch this election and I think about all the catastrophic consequences the world has had to face since the last one, I grow more and more soaked in just what I can describe as rage and hate. So what's your best religious advice on how to love your enemy? That is a really, really good question. And it's tough.

I think this is something that pretty much anyone who cares about this or frankly, anything is liable to fall into. If something matters to you and is being taken away, you're going to get angry. And I would say that there's such thing as a righteous indignation. You should be angry about a lot of the things that are happening in this country right now. But it has to be proportionate and it has to be productive. Here's what I mean by that. Maybe a better way of putting it would just be reasonable and well-ordered so there's there's no end to the reasons to be outraged by a lot of the horrible things we're seeing in our culture you know abortion children being mutilated socialism etc but you also have to consider what are you capable of doing in your own personal life?

Is this rage impotent? Are you focusing on things that are actually hindering you from growing spiritually and becoming a better person? So I would try to figure out the things that you can do personally to try to end a lot of these evils. Of course, voting, talking to people around you, getting educated on the issues so you can be an effective ambassador for your positions. Zoom out your time horizon. Zoom out your time horizon. Yeah, I think that's a good way of looking at it, too.

Think about 10, 15, 20 years down the line, you could have some seeming catastrophe right in front of you. And then things can work out way better than you thought. I mean, I'll give you an example of this. I remember when after the 2012 election, I was like I was up all night. I was for like the local cable access station. I was watching it and reviewing it and talking about it. I was in high school and I was so bummed that Romney lost. And it's so funny because I look back and it's like, you know, I don't like Romney. And things have happened in my lifetime that I never thought would happen. I never thought Roe was going to be overturned in my lifetime.

Like, I don't think anyone did. You can't predict a lot of these things. And so I'll just say this. There are hidden joyful surprises in life that you won't expect. You don't want to let the people who are trying to damage this country make you a worse person. You want to become a better person because of your moral concern. And then above all, you just got to be rooted in a hope outside of what you have in this world. So I'll even take expanding your time horizon to the next level.

Like you're going to die someday. What's going to happen after you're dead, right? And are you working towards spending an eternity in heaven with God? And do you have faith that in the end, God is going to win? Even if the United States of America completely crumbles and this country crashes and the West falls, like, if you have faith in Jesus Christ, you will still always be able to have that hope. And hopefully that can prevent you, and it should prevent you from being consumed by this hatred and anger towards people who are destroying the things in front of you. You also got to remember, I know this is a very long-winded response.

I'm sorry, but one last thing is, just remember, many of them don't even know what they're doing. Like, they don't even know what they're doing. They have no idea. They're just operating on autopilot. Yeah, like, I do think that a lot and I wish like I'm very cynical. Like when I see someone I'm, I'm like, they don't even know what they're doing. Like the hate takes over and it

just goes into a pure logical hate where it's like, well, then they're just a animal, not even capable of self-governance. Well, the thing is they're, they're behaving like, well, then they're just an animal not even capable of self-governance. Well, the thing is, they're behaving like an animal, but the reason you're mad is actually because they are capable of self-governance, and you're disappointed that they're not exercising it. Yeah. So I would keep that in mind. There's a goodness there that you want to protect and preserve. You're mad at that, because you don't get mad at an animal when it does something wrong. You get mad at a person when it does something wrong

because you know people can be better. People can do better. I think, you know, they say in every cynic there's a disappointed idealist. I'm pretty mad when my dog pees on the carpet. Yeah, all right, fair. But you're not like, he's destroying the fabric of this country. You're just mad he's destroying the fabric of your carpet, right? You don't see it as like a symptom of social decay. And so listen man play there yeah thank you i was working out i appreciate you

catching that because these people generally won't but i guess it was gorgeous i just wanted to accept that as reality this is thank you ian but uh yeah i guess i hope that that helps man i would just tell you that you got to ask the question, like, why am I so mad at people for not knowing things? Because you got to consider there's like plenty of things that you didn't know at different times and still don't know now and that you still have to learn. So listen, I get it.

I get really mad at people about this kind of stuff too. But you just got to take a step back and go, like, what right do I have? I'm also a pretty messed up person in a lot of ways. There's still a lot of things I got to take a step back and go like what right what right do i have i'm also a pretty messed up person in a lot of ways there's still a lot of things i gotta fix about myself shamus has a very high right we do got to make sure we get to the rest of the callers though is there anything else you wanted to add um i just want to add two things that are completely unrelated uh one for ian um if you've never heard of rooko's Basilisk, you should look it up. It's an interesting

thought experiment on artificial intelligence. And the second one is to Tim. Is whether or not he follows Grums on Twitter. He tackles... Okay, awesome. Then you know. One of the OG World of Warcraft dudes.

Yeah, I think he'd be an awesome culture war guest. Agreed. Ask him why World of Warcraft dudes. Yeah, I think he'd be an awesome culture war guest. Ask him why World of Warcraft went to shit. Because he left. Or he was a developer. He was one of the OGs, yeah. Right on, man. Well, thanks for calling in. Thank you. And thank you again, Seamus.

Thank you for the question. Yeah, of course. God bless you, man. It was a really good, thoughtful question. So thank you for asking. Thank you for the question. Yeah, of course. God bless you, man. It was a really good, thoughtful question, so thank you for asking. Thank you. All right, next up, we've got Dex2730. Well, Michael Knowles called him a Shiite Wahhabi Catholic. It's funny because there's a certain number of things I'm really educated on when it comes to religion, but I tell people, I'm not formally trained in theology or anything like that. There's plenty of

questions I can't answer about this stuff. There's plenty I can't answer, but I'm happy to answer when I can. What is up, Dex? Hey, how's it going? It's going well. How are you, man? Freaking awesome. I'm asking this as

probably the only Gen Z person here right now. You call me old, bro? Phil's Gen Z. Wait, can I ask, what's your cutoff for Gen Z? What's the final year a person can be born and be Gen Z? Because I've heard varying. Well, based on what I've heard the uh cutoff would be 1996 to 2012

oh shoot yeah i'm not gen z then you got me okay you are not a millennial bro i i'm just i'm a late millennial though i'm 95 i was born in 95 so i'm right on that cusp don't listen to tim all right i'm a millennial i'm old i'm wise i can answer your question uh i guess this is my last hope what 97 of 2012 oh tim's checking up on the gen z what's your question brother sorry man that's fine um the uh i guess do you guys probably see like a last chance for uh a way to prevent a possible civil war prior to the election. If Trump wins in a landslide, if Trump wins the popular vote. I think a lot of people are watching shows like this and are like looking for a cue.

And if we maintain balance, it's not, it's not going to go to that. So if it happens, I'm going to blame you. If there's a civil war, I'm going to blame you. If Trump wins, if Trump wins wins the popular vote it rebukes

the far left yeah and it terrifies a lot of their uh default libs the people they need to use as cannon fodder run-of-the-mill liberals are going to be like oh we're not popular uh i i think trump is funny or the they're i i've already got leftist friends who are now going no i'm not leftist i'm a moderate yeah they're getting scared of what what's going to happen on the wrong side of history if it's if it's a if he if he really takes the popular vote by a significant margin and it is the landslide that we hope and that honestly a lot of the polls seem to be if you're reading them a certain way it seems to be everything's moving in trump's direction and stuff and historically uh the the polls have have been significantly better for democrats at these

at this point in the in the uh in the the election um if he actually wins with a significant margin then i do think that like there's not going to be much that the left can do. It has to be close for them to go ahead and say, oh, well, it was unfair or whatever. Then I, it's possible that Jamie Raskin's, you know, idea of invoking the 14th amendment and not letting, you know, Trump be put into or inaugurated on the on the the 20th or the on january 6th of 2025 uh it's possible that that happens but the bigger the margin the less likely that is to happen so i think that that a a trump victory with a significant um popular vote margin is is the best way to prevent any kind of significant civil strife.

Indeed. Did you want to elaborate at all? Well, yeah, I think the reason why I ask is because you see a lot of, I guess, Gen Z activists prominently left-leaning. It sounds stupid, but I guess what's demoralizing is the amount of followers they have compared to the Gen Z activists on the right. Kind of makes me a little worried about the future, I guess.

Well, if you look at all the streamers, like Nelk Boys, Aiden Ross, they're all doing Trump stuff. Yep. Those guys are cute. You know, I kind of imagine what's going on right now is like a chicken coop

where the roosters are just really submissive. And so the hens are running around doing fucked up shit and the predators are coming. And I'm like, the roosters aren't going to tolerate this. It doesn't matter what everybody wants.

It doesn't matter what politics are. Sooner or later, the roosters are just going to go around and start pecking each other to death and everybody. And they're just going to take what they want. And so what I kind of mean is it doesn't matter what women want to everybody, and they're going to take what they want. And so what I kind of mean is it doesn't, it doesn't matter what women want to do,

what they're going to do, what they're voting for. Uh, I can't remember which it was a feminist, like a, like an ex-feminist who said this, that, um, society is, is ruled by men and always will be ruled by men. And feminism is only the gift that, that the patriarchy is giving these women. And all that matters is that if one day men decide to take the power back, that's it. The only ones that are enforcing feminist laws are men. The only one that allow women to speak up and get jobs are men. And it's the disproportionate power structure that exists between men and women that will always exist. And this was like it's like a feminist who was saying this. And she was like, at any point,

a man can just decide they'll take the power away from women. That's it. End of story. Women won't be able to get it back. Like there's, there's no circumstance where a million women rise up and then with guns overthrow patriarchy just doesn't exist. You think it's because women biologically feel the need to reproduce the human species and are more like, I will do anything to reproduce the human species, including become a servant. I think it's because women are social creatures and men are aggressive and disagreeable. So that means that if society falls in one way because men are weak, women will go with the in crowd, which is why they overwhelmingly want to go Democrat because the institutions are all Democrat. But men reject and go for Trump, the bad boy, the underdog, the bad guy, because men are disagreeable.

Women are more agreeable than men. Men are more disagreeable. So that's why there still are a lot of feminist guys. But men will largely butt heads and be like, I think I'm right, even if they're fucking idiots. And so there was this comedian said, when you realize that women are crazy and men are delusional, life becomes a lot easier. And I'm like, that's actually a really great way to put it. Guys have a tendency to thinking that they're right about everything, they're overconfident, and that's what they do. They're like, they'll run into a burning building thinking they're going to save a life and be

alright, and then they die or whatever. That's what guys do. I used to kind of have a joke where I said that men all think that they're better than they are. And there's like a stat that says 70% of meds said they're above average at driving, for example. And they can fight lions.

No joke. They asked men if you could defeat an animal and a bunch of men said they could beat a bear. Right. They're all wrong. On the women's side, women all think that their problems are, their average problems are unique. So women think they're more unique than they are, right? Women think they're, men think they're better than other men. Women think they're more unique than they are, right? Women think they're, men think they're better than other men. Women think they're more unique.

So like if a girl goes outside and it's raining and it rained on some event, it's not like, oh, it rained today. It's like, they did this to me. Like, I can't, you know, I can't believe this happened to me. There is a hilarious graph where it's like they asked men and women, if you thought, could you win a fight against these animals? And overwhelmingly men say they could defeat most animals, like rat, rabbit, cat, dog, badger.

And guys are all like, yes, yes, yes. And it slowly goes down, but it's at like bear, and it's like 7% still said yes. I mean, what percentage of guys, like lie detector, are like, low-key, I could beat up Conor McGregor, though. Especially like guys that are bigger, you know what I mean what i mean yeah big dudes i guarantee big dudes are like yeah look he may be like really good but he broke his leg and he's little i you know what if i get my hands on him you know he may you know he's fast but if i can grab him yeah whereas yeah the women version of

that is like you don't understand how much different i am yeah the other girls so real think about what that means politically. If a bunch of young guys are struggling to find wives, they're unhappy with their lives, they have no work prospects, they have no homes, they are going to disassociate from this system. They are going to stop doing the jobs that women require, that women tend not to do. Petroleum engineer. Life will get shittier.

We are drifting towards a reality where young men are struggling to find it. And even young women, this means these young men are going to take jobs that benefit themselves and they're going to drift away from socially important jobs. And then life will get increasingly harder for women who are single or alone. They'll likely vote for more government mandates for social care. This is what women tend to vote for. And the men women tend to vote for. And the men are going to start rejecting and resisting their work and labor being taken from them. The tendency right now with single, like the rise of non-marriage, or whatever,

when I say people being single and not having kids, is that dudes are going to be like, why am I paying for you? And women are going to be saying, I can't do this alone. The women will vote for the state to take from men. Men will enforce those laws. Other men will say, fuck you. You can't have my stuff. And the system implodes. So we'll see. But I don't know. We do got one more caller. I think we have one more, right? Is there anything else you want to elaborate on or, uh, or add? Uh, I just wanted to give a shout out to Michael Jones of inspiring, of inspiring philosophy, hands down one of the best Christian YouTubers around. He has a pretty good breakdown on how Young Earth Creationism

is not required to believe in Christianity, and I'll post it in the live chat if anybody's interested. But yeah, I recommend him for the Culture War podcast if you guys are interested. Cool, right on. Well, thanks for calling in. All right, we got last up. Safirata, what is up? Hello. Hello, guys. How much? What's up with you guys? Chilling. We're doing a show right now.

Fair enough. All right. Well, first off, the obligatory boys, boys, boys. Now we're talking. Let's go. Let's go. So, Tim, I've been a longtime listener of you. Been around since Reddit banned the Donald. Oh, wow. That was a game.

And Phil, I've been listening to you since 2006 or 2007. Cheers, man. Thank you very much. All my deals. Awesome. So it's been a little while longer, but I love you both. My question is for Tim and the panel today, mostly about your segment on Weinstein and Cernovich earlier. So for context, I believe Weinstein is not only more influential and more significant than Cernovich, as evidenced just by a quick YouTube search and scan of the video count of the results. I believe that Weinstein reaches, well both respectively reach significantly different people, but I believe

Weinstein reaches more normies and people who aren't politically enthralled. They know of Weinstein, respect his opinions, whereas Cernovich just reaches more of the politico types. And my question is, do you think it's more significant to find allies who can reach people on the other side of the political aisle as well as normies, regardless of if they will actually vote for your favorite choice? Or would you say it's more important to have people who reach voters who are already likely entrenched on the right? Mike Cernovich broke the Epstein story. Arguably one of the biggest stories of of our lifetime and possibly the history of the United States. It's an international relations disaster, which the story is not concluded and persists to this day, with people constantly posting pictures of Ghislaine Maxwell and various political figures.

Eric Weinstein knows rich people and speaks on podcasts. Mike Cernovich is one of the principal social media drivers of Donald Trump's meme war and first campaign presidency. I think if you track the trajectories of these two men, Mike Cernovich is substantially more significant than Eric Weinstein. And that is not a disrespect to Eric Weinstein. Being a finance guy who's done peer reviewed science stuff and is friends with, you know, and helps manage big funds. It does matter. But culturally speaking, Eric Weinstein's impact on the culture is dramatically, dramatically smaller than Mike Cernovich. I wholeheartedly disagree only because Cerno's dipped out over the last decade. He's gone invisible. People don't know who he is. What about this side of it? He we are not great stuff we are not talking about whether someone i love him we are not talking

about whether someone knows a name we are talking about have you heard the name epstein okay but think about this so you go um a guy like eric weinstein you know part of the kind of peter teal world or whatever they're the ones who kind of put the money together for jd vance who's you know has a huge enormous impact on the thing and what did weinstein do for that well i'm just saying he that's the world that j.D. Vance is from. We're talking about what has Eric Weinstein done? So the answer would be he's... So when you talk about a culture that's being created,

he's a very influential part of that. He's a piece of a machine. But an example, you go take a famous comedian that's very important or whatever, right? You might be able to say, hey, what does this guy have to do with it? And if you're part of that culture, you're like, that guy's actually a pretty big deal. The question is not which name do you know? The question is who's had a bigger impact in politics and culture.

And Mike Cernovich is no question. Everyone knows Epstein. You understand my point though, right? Like I'm not saying I'm right. I might be right. But if a lot of like J.D. Vance's talking points, talking points jd vance's ideology is coming from like the weinstein world that's a pretty influential if i get into an uber and i say have you ever heard of eric weinstein guess what he's gonna say i don't know it depends no no no speak if i say i say have you heard of

epstein he's gonna go yeah but we're not talking about epstein versus weinstein we're talking about mike cernovich no one knows who that guy is outside of the political realm. Okay, let's try this one more time, Ian. We're not talking about whether someone knows a name. You just did. You said if you sit in a cab and ask them if they know a name. Okay, we got to slow down. So we are talking about if they know a name.

I'll try to explain it to you again. Please do, Tim. We are talking about the significance of an individual's body of work. I'm not saying that Cernovich is not influential. He's massively influential. He's done great stuff. But Weinstein is super famous. Let's try this again.

Fame has nothing to do with significance. That's completely untrue, bro. Your fame directly influences your amount of significance you have on society. No. You are completely wrong. What the fuck are you talking about? Rodney Mullen is one of the most influential people. Never heard of him.

Exactly. And he was monitored by the CIA because he created a multi-billion dollar industry that spawned something like 70 million people following his subculture worldwide. How many followers does he have? How many people's minds can he change tomorrow? No, I understand the point Tim's making. Like, there's bands where you're like, they created this whole thing and you don't know their name as much. You know what I mean? Yeah, there's dudes who invented the paperclip. Guys massively influential.

Significance does not mean fame. It's not the same words. Significant is how big is your impact on the world? Sure. Who invented the paperclip? Who invented toilet paper? Sure. Well, I know who invented the toilet.

Mike Cernovich broke Epstein, and he was also one of the leaders in the meme war, which led to the election of Donald Trump. The work that he did in electioneering for Donald Trump in the first campaign was one of the largest components of getting Trump elected. Epstein is, hands down, nothing else matters. It was his investigative work and legal work that led to the breaking of the story along with Miami Herald on the Epstein story. One of the most significant stories in the history of this planet.

No question. Done. Eric Weinstein's very influential, but the significance of his work is nowhere near as large as breaking the Epstein story. Well, that could be true, but you could still, that question doesn't have that. Those two people, I would guess in that question, they were like placeholders for the broader idea. And here's the question wasn't about that. It was about something. The principal issue is that when Mike Cernovich criticized Eric Weinstein for not voting, Eric Weinstein said, I'm not going to get

this with you. But Eric lost his fucking mind when Mike Cernovich said, there are a lot of people that offered you an olive branch that were more significant, significant than you, myself included. And Eric said, how dare you more significant? Um, are you kidding me? I can't believe you would say something like that to me. He lost his fucking shit over it. And I I'm sitting here laughing being like, what's his claim of his significance? Did he say he did peer reviewed journals and like studies on immigration and mortgage backed securities?

And it's like I even said in the segment, if we want to go by pure fame, Mike Cernovich has more followers than you do. But that's not the measure of significance. Mike Cernovich was was one of the largest components of Trump's first election, putting on the deplorable and things like this massive cultural significance. But more importantly, it just doesn't matter. Epstein, hands down, that is the grand slam of all grand slams. Don't get me wrong. Alex Jones played a big role early on in talking about Epstein. But it wasn't until Mike Cernovich did the legal work that broke the

Epstein story, and along with the Miami Herald, that dramatically reshaped the perception of every American and people around the world's view of international relations. All of a sudden, this story, which was largely viewed as a crackpot conspiracy, is a fact. And then Epstein killed himself. I don't think the Epstein story is as big of a deal as your... Everybody knows it. Yeah, maybe. Everybody knows what a fucking paperclip is, dude. Nobody gives a shit who developed it.

No one said that mattered. No one cared that Mike Cernovich broke the Epstein. Most, 98% of people you ask won't know who broke the Epstein story, and they don't care. That's not what we're talking about. You're talking about who did a thing that became very influential.

Okay, but that's not what the... Divine significance. The question was something different. The user's question was something else. The point is, the caller said he disagreed because of YouTube views and argued that Cernovich is not as significant because Weinstein gets more YouTube views. I think the argument was more that he's saying that he's preaching to the converted. That was a question. Cernovich is or Weinstein? That was what I got. Is it more valuable to preach to the people that already believe your what I was more valuable to preach to the

people that already believe your message or to reach across the aisle and communicate with people that don't agree with you. That was the question. I think we're at a point right now with the election staring us down this next week for Eric Weinstein to be like, oh, heavens me. Oh, geez, I want all the things Trump offer, but I just can't vote for him is hypocrisy. It's a lie. There's this. That's not true. Dave Smith himself said he's voting for Donald Trump because Dave's being honest. I understand Dave's ideology and I understand why he would vote for Trump.

It all lines up with everything he's ever said. Eric Weinstein says he literally made a list of all the things that he wanted and then goes, but I can't vote for Trump. And I'm like, okay, that seems weird. What's his big reason? What is his big good? He is not my champion.

He had a huge list of stuff that trump's not perfect on and yeah but it was silly because he was like i don't want open borders i don't want children to be mutilated i don't want censorship i don't want people to harass and stalk people and i'm like so it sounds like you're a trump supporter and then he was just like no and it's like dude this facade is not maybe a year ago when Rogan was like, I don't know. I like RFK. I'm like, I get it. Rogan doesn't want to alienate his left leaning viewers who don't like Trump or are scared.

But now that we're a week out from the election, Joe is like, I like Trump's administration and the things that he's doing, having him on and saying, no, no, I still want to entertain Kamala. But man, RFK Jr. Tulsi Gabbard. Wow, this is really great. Joe's making those moves. Dave Smith said, I'm

voting for Trump. And he said, this does not negate anything I've said about the man. I think all that is still true. But look what look what Kamala Harris is doing. And I'm like, yes, many Clint Russell, Jeremy Kaufman, all of these people are outright being like, I never wanted to vote for the motherfucker. But look where we are. We have to. Here's the reasons you are. It is it is hypocrisy to say outright, I fear all these things, these things I know to be destructive, these other things I know to be good. Trump accomplishes much more of these things and protects from these other things. But I'm not voting for him, alas. Like what? Like there's a logical equation here.

You could say that. And I'm playing the devil's advocate here because i would say i'm but on you're taking that role yeah but uh some of those things are binary right so you might say like i would never this is a deal breaker for me like you might say to someone like if you're choosing between two girls and you go this girl's this and this you go but she was a worked as a prostitute and you go that's a deal breaker for me some of these people might be like you're saying oh what about all these nine things that you like and they're like well this one is like a condition that must be satisfied to go move and think about the next i hear you i think some people think of it i hear you i would just i would modify the analogy it's like imagine if there's only two women you can choose from and you're going to be forced to marry one of them and then it's like okay so there is this one that

has the deal breaker but the other one is just worse in every way and it's like, okay, so there is this one that has the deal breaker, but the other one is just worse in every way. And it's like you've got to pick one of them or else the other people will pick one for you. It's like more how I would see the election. But look. But I get your point, too. I'm going to put it like this. Because I understand why some people feel that way. I'll modify your analogy.

Right now, you are being told that in the next four years, you are entering into a forced relationship you have no control over. One of the candidates has been stealing from you. One of your potential spouses steals from you, lies to you, is really annoying, laughs for no reason. And you just know that she's going to shit on the floor. The other spouse is a dude. No, no. The other spouse looks pretty good. She's not that bad bad but she talks like this and and that's what they're saying they're like yeah but she's so annoying and i'm like

well look we're gonna are you kidding me you're sitting there going like man that lady is fucking me over she's stealing from me she's lying to me she's dumb as a box of rocks she's annoying as shit but that other one is better than her, protects me from her, gets me halfway to where I want to be. But her voice, oh, I'd rather go with the one who's going to knife me in the back. It makes no fucking sense. Or someone's going to choose it for you. That's the thing about Weinstein not voting is like someone's going to choose it for him, like at least get behind the momentum in some direction. That's my argument. Or he can at least say, I despise Donald Trump.

He is not my champion. I am voting for RFK Jr. I am voting for Tulsi Gabbard. I am voting for Elon Musk. I hope these people can make it right. You know, pray for us. I'd be like, okay. That's what Rogan said.

That'd be a great culture war. I know Weinstein's not easy to get out of the house, but him and- Weinstein is also notoriously elitist, pro-elitist. Notoriously. Cernovich would be great, because Cernovich is one of the most down-to-earth, humble dudes, and he has every reason to be humble, or elitist, because of what he's done in his

extensive career, but like... I don't know Eric very well. I've done a couple interviews with Brett. He's fantastic. Brett and Heather are wonderful people. What I've heard of Eric is that he's an overt elitist in the most extreme sense. I think he's very autistic. Let me finish what I was saying in that if you're like a working class, if you're a plumber, he has no time for you. You don't matter. That's the kind of attitude that people have told me.

I've talked to people who have worked with him on booking shows and they say it is the snootiest Hillary Clinton holding a wine glass interaction i've ever like a lot of scientists have that energy because of their career they're like if it is not fitting perfectly i have no time it's more of like a silicon valley guy when he says how dare you say you're more significant me than me and i'll just pull up his tweet i'll pull it up so you can read it that'll help is this recent yeah it was like the other day look at this reaction i mean this blew my mind quote you were welcomed by many people far more significant than you including myself uh whoa what the fuck question mark question mark you are more significant than me question mark question

mark uh wow mike i don't treat you this way you have never said anything like that before you have been decent to me i'm just shocked i mean f mean, F that. Geez, I'm not doing this. I treat you with respect. You can certainly do the same. You have a champion. I do not. Passions are high, so go fight. I don't even think we are playing the same sport.

And I don't want any of what you are stirring up against me. I'm not steering MAGA to the left. Seriously, what the hell? I'm largely a moderate common sense person during a time of mass delusions, particularly but not exclusively on the left. That is not news. It's not low T, a trick, a secret or a crime. Not everything is guerrilla. Go do MAGA. Go try to win. Good luck. But leave me the hell out of this end. And what was shocking was his. This was his initial upset. Well, that's how I responded. I understand. I want to point this out to me his first post when he says, I'm failing this election, here's what I will say.

Mike Cernovich and he had several back and forths that were fairly fine until Cernovich said, many people, he says, when you came out as liberal who doesn't understand the left, you were welcomed by many people far more significant than you, including myself. And that's where Eric snapped. Eric probably got bullied. You just call him a moral coward and where Eric snapped. Eric probably got bullied. Eric probably got bullied as a kid. His response was only, you're more significant than me? What? How dare you? Likely, possibly

Weinstein got bullied like crazy when he was a kid. And now he's got an ego because he's strong in a position of moral authority in nature. And now his ego is being challenged by someone. And he's lashing out. Plus it's all in text, so you're not getting the tone. It'd probably be a cordial conversation if the two of them were having this face-to-face. Like, Eric will say really harsh things in a very kind way when he communicates with people.

That's my guess, that he's feeling challenged. Anyway, I hope that answers your question. I think there's also another— We're way over, and I've got to go to bed. Okay, okay. Was there anything else you wanted to add before we wrap up? No, we don't need it. Did we?

No, I think we made it. I wanted to mention. No. I did just want to shout out real quick. Eyes of advice. Ian, Tim, the song actually helped me quit smoking. Oh, cool. So thank you very much for that. Ian, you were great in that.

I also wanted to quickly shout out Ryan Long Comedy on YouTube. The new special was tight. Thanks, brother. And yeah, no worries. It was, uh, amazing. Uh, so I strongly recommend everybody check it out. Um, Phil, I just wanted to let you know, every time I go to the gym, my, uh, gym lets us pick the song listings and, uh, we can load up a few. I always load up the playlist with all that remains sick. Thank you so much, man. Thank you for, thank you. Thank you for keeping me pumped while I'm a lifting. And, wanted to say if anybody wants to check out any artwork my wife has a pretty creative uh art setup on uh tiktok and instagram uh fate seed art she does custom

stuff if requested also right on thank you so much thank you guys take care all right and for those asking so sam cedar is flying on an early, this is crazy. He's taking an early morning flight Friday morning to arrive here at just on time for the show. And then as soon as the show wraps, he's flying straight back. Holy shit.

Big day. Yep. Uh, super fan. I love you, Sam. I'm not going to be here. Yeah,

I think, uh, and, and, and we'll see what we talk about. I think Sam suffers from something called, what is it called? Personality addiction. So the simple explanation is,

TimCast is nowhere near the most significant show right now in politics. Benny Johnson gets 150 million views per month. TimCast.io gets 20. Yet we are like the consistent focus of his conversations. Not all the time, maybe like one in 10 or something. And then the question is, why? I think it's because he thinks you're someone he can have a conversation with. But you guys just talk past because you're on two different shows.

I never talk about him except when he talks about me. And I only talk about how he talks about me too much. You just have this style of personality that I know him pretty well. He reminds me of a really good friend of mine too. I actually know him. Yeah. Like you guys could hang out and talk deep for long periods of time. I think that's why. I don't think so. I don't know. You both care about the same stuff. But like, I always talk about issues, the president policy, and then he talks about me. It's relatively small compared to the scope of political YouTube right now. I think it's personality addiction.

It happens to a lot of people, and that's why people are addicted to Trump, and they won't shut up about him. We're going to wrap it up there, though. Guys, tomorrow morning, youtube.com slash timcastnews. Thanks for hanging out, and we'll see you all then.