Timcast IRL - Siaka VS Brian Shapiro Debate on J6, TRUMP, & COVID

Episode Date: July 4, 2026

Tim and Ian are joined by Brian Shapiro & Siaka Massaquoi to discuss claims over voter fraud, Brian Shapiro loses it over J6 debate, leftists are hypocrites, a study debunks claims about COVID, Tim Pool slams communists, and an anti-Trumper is offended by Trump's character.  SUPPORT THE SHOW BUY CAST BREW COFFEE NOW - https://castbrew.com/ GET OUR MERCH - https://merch.timcast.com/ Join - https://timcast.com/discord Hosts:  Tim @Timcast (everywhere) | https://www.shoutout.fans/timpool Ian @ianCrossland (everywhere) | https://graphene.movie/ Producer: Carter @carterbanks (X) |  @trashhouserecords  (YT) Guest: Brian Shapiro @TheBrianShapiro (X) Siaka Massaquoi @_SiakaMassaquoi (X)  Podcast available on all podcast platforms! Siaka VS Brian Shapiro Debate on J6, TRUMP, & COVID  | Timcast IRL For advertising inquiries please email [e-mail]

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to this special episode of Timcast, IRL. And of many of you, it is the day before the greatest holiday, the 4th of July Independence Day. You're probably out cooking burgers and having a good time, but we still do have an episode for all of you, despite the fact that you're going to be chilling with family. Maybe I'll get around to this show. And so we're not going to be talking about the hard news of the day. We're going to be debating the hard news of the past week, as it is a holiday. And, you know, we want to give you guys an opportunity to spend time with your family.

Maybe come back and watch this. So the big questions that we have in the past couple of weeks have to do with immigration, have to do with, of course, insurrection. We have a Democrat who won the primary, her primary race in New York, but she has been a part of organizations explicitly stating they want to end Western civilization. They want to end America and bring violence to America. The question that is, is this insurrectionist eligible to hold office in Congress? And as we've discussed this before, people have brought up, but what about Donald Trump and his insurrection?

And the argument that both sides point the fingers at each other. So we will be starting off this debate, this discussion, on the issue of the latest temporary protected status ruling, which we'll see maybe around half a million and 600,000 people being deported. Before we get started, my friends, head over to timcast.com. Click join now, get in the Discord community. We got special members only stuff for you guys. and it's community. If you're looking for like-minded individuals to talk to, if you want to be a part of something,

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I hope we can make it funny. Brian, what's going on? Who are you? What's up, man? I feel like you need to buy me like a studio apartment right down the street now. That's what I think. Brian Shapiro, I've been called worse. I do a show called Pushing the Limits. And yeah, that's who I am at PTL Radio Show. Before the show starts, he's like, how much of a raging lib should I be? Should I be sure? All that to 11 or just be calm and nice. And I'm like, Brian's great. He's nice to you in person, but you get him on the internet and he can crank it up to him.

I mean, in person, I mean, in person, I'm not always nice. Did you see any of the videos I did? Ian was hanging out with me. Ian, am I always nice in person? No. All right, gentlemen, who's next? What's up, guys? Siaka here, Seaka Massqua. Father, I'm lead with that first, actor, producer. And as you can see, I got my little ones with me, always in my heart. And yeah, I am not a raging lip.

So, let's go. And then Ian, no. I'm just raging. Fair enough. Let's go. I mean, sunglasses on it. Do you Morrison look going? I have bloodshot eyes.

It's so early in the morning for me. Ian's tagline says, smarter than everyone in Congress. Oh, perfect. I mean. Ian literally said that he was smarter than everyone in Congress. I got to start talking myself up more. But the funny thing is like,

so go big. Pragmatically, we're like, that's not true. Ian, they're smart people. But emotionally, I think, screw everyone in Congress. Yeah. All of them gets the point across whether you're true or not. My cat is smarter than everyone. All of you.

Yeah. Yeah, my dog's pretty smart. Hey, we also got telling on the buttons. On the side note, I always wanted to debate an insurrectionist, so nice to meet you, sir. Oh, yeah. Well, I don't, I'm still, then you're still going to be waiting because I don't have anything. That is true.

I was never, right, misdemeanors. I don't know. Why were you there? I was there because I wanted to be. I'm an American. I know, but why? Why were you there? Because I wanted to see history.

Did you think the election was stolen? Yeah, I did. And I still do. Okay, so you're a conspiracy theorist then. I mean, you think it's not. So why are you not? Where's the evidence of widespread voter fraud? Well, so you start off with California when they change the rules.

No, no, no, no, no. That's the evidence. That's the evidence. The evidence. Can you let me finish my sentence to continue this evidence? So Trump lost California. Is that what you're saying? No, I didn't say that. Where's the evidence? The evidence was in my house when for four to five years in my own house. I was getting ballots for people who were dead and didn't live there. That's not evidence. That's not evidence. That's part of the evidence. If you let somebody finish the sentence, instead of cutting them off when they finish it, I'm going, hey. Semantic point. That is evidence. It's not proof. Right. Well, so we're looking for evidence. So let me give you guys a quick, quick little breakdown of this is important for all the people who are probably madame. me saying, what do you mean? So here's a scenario I like to give. A store clerk gets shot and killed. The police find, you know, nine millimeter bullet casings. They then hear someone says, oh, his next door neighbor hated him and they were fighting all the time. I heard him screaming.

They go to the neighbor's house and they find nine millimeter bullet casings in front of his house. That's evidence. Then turns out the guy actually just as a dropped him when he was leaving and he's been out of town for two weeks. We couldn't possibly have done it. Not proof, but is evidence. So when you're getting, you know, 10 mail-in votes to someone's house, someone says, this is evidence. There could be voter fraud because these are not requested. They're lying around. Does it prove widespread voter fraud? Well, so that's correct.

The statement is, where is the evidence that could prove widespread voter fraud that could have changed the outcome of the 2020 election? Hold on. It's been six years. The two idiots that keep, not you, that keep talking about this are Dinesh D'Souza, who is an imbecile. and the My Pillow idiot, okay? No, he's not a smart guy. I disagree. 2000 lies was a bullshit documentary.

So where is your evidence that could prove that there is widespread voter fraud that Donald Trump won the 2020 election? So is illegally changing the rules of voting in multiple states? That's not widespread voter fraud. That's not widespread voter fraud. How is it not? Hold on. I mean, because you say the sentence and you complete it and I start with three words and then

you cut off. Go ahead. Let me talk. Go ahead. So it works out this way. If you have two to three states that change their constitution from a judicial order, which is illegal, that's part of evidence that pushes that illegal voting. I would argue that's proof of widespread voter fraud.

Never been proven in a court of law. No, no, no, hold on. No, no. There's two different things to consider. So if your position on this is, were people fraudulently making or filling out ballots. That's a different question from, did executives and judiciaries violate the law and constitution to create a mechanism by which people were legally capable to do these things? Well, why did they do that?

It doesn't matter. They did it. Why? That's illegal. Why did they do it? It was illegal. So does that mean it doesn't matter? It was illegal. That means Donald Trump won. I don't know, but it was a cheating. Okay. That's the whole thing. That's the whole point, brother. The thing that you guys always miss is that you go, whoa, if we find that it was cheating, that met Trump one. That's not what the argument is. The argument is why do you change the rules of? You don't know, illegally. That's not what Donald Trump said. I don't care. I'm talking about me. I do. That's why a lot of idiots were there on January 6th. When you get Donald Trump to sit down with you and talk to him, then that's the argument you can have with him. I'm not Donald Trump.

You were there because you support Donald Trump. Yes, I do. And I did again three times. But the point of what I'm looking at, what I look at, Donald Trump can say what he wants. I'm my own man. That's a part you guys also miss. You think everyone's just the same person to think, well, Trump said it, so I'm going to say. No, I look at it from the standpoint of If a judge sits there and bypasses the constitution of three states that allows that allows mail-in voting when they shouldn't have, we have a problem. We have to address it. Nobody even wanted to. Why didn't they?

They didn't want to? Because they're a guy won. Okay, so let's talk about that. Then you go. So you're your own man. Okay, fine. Well, guess what? You're not a judge.

Donald Trump had 61 opportunities in court. They all said that there was no merit. Some of those judges were actually, hold on, let me finish. now. Let me finish now. Some of those judges were actually Republican appointed judges. He was 0-161 in the courts. You had a bunch of people that showed up there on January 6th. I would

assume you were one of those people that believed in the lies that the election was rigged or stolen. You can say that until the counts come up. Hold on a second. I just point out what was rigged. We are six years later. I find it very interesting that when Donald Trump loses, it was rigged. When he won in 2016, that seemed to be just fine. When he won

in 2024. That seemed to be just fine. Now, I understand, I got a fact check. Hold on. I understand that Donald Trump said it was still, there was still cheating involved in 2016. I know what you're going to say, Tim. But the fact of the matter is, is that Republicans still say nothing to see here. Donald Trump won. Same thing in 2020. We have a fact check. Trump and his campaign filed four to six lawsuits in 2020 over the election. And how did that work out? Between four and six. We're over 60 court appearances. Those were PACs. Those were, correct. That's different. So, so. So, so. There was no merit. The judge's will have no merit. That's actually not correct. But for the Trump and the Trump campaign is between four and six, the issue was not merit. The issue was moot. The issue was in the instance of many of these suits, they said the amount of ballots that would be overturned would not change the results. Therefore, it's moot. Case dismissed. Well, the bottom line is in our entire history of this country, Donald Trump's the only president that has not conceded an election. And I understand that you were not one of the- That's also incorrect. Come on. Who did the other guys? Who did it in 1876? Okay, well. No, no, I mean, this is civil. This is the end of reconstruction. The presidency was determined by a panel because there were, there were, a similar thing happened where states turned in dueling sets of electors. And then the Democrats and Republicans sit down like, okay, this is it. Civil. All right. So let's just say that's 150% correct. Let's say in the past 150 years. Donald Trump is the only president to not concede in election. Now, I understand and I know this is getting into other territory, but I did a little. bit of study on you. And I understand you're not a violent criminal. I understand you weren't one of those people that beat police

officers, but this is a really important question. Because I don't know what your answer is going to be on this. Are you a hostage and a patriot if you beat a cop on January 6th? It depends on the circumstances. Okay, so let's go with, I don't know, let's go with Daniel Rodriguez, who assaulted Michael Phanone. Michael Phenone

had a stroke because of that. Next day. And no, you're talking about Brian Brynick. I'm talking about Michael Phenon. This is a question. The next day, Question mark? I know. I didn't know that. I thought that was a statement.

No, no, no. Nick got hit with the, um, yeah. And I'm happy to get into that with you as well. Okay. I'm all of it. All of it. All of it. But Daniel Rodriguez got 12 years in prison.

Uh, because of him attacking officer Phenone, um, he had a stroke. Is that man a hostage and a patriot? Well, again, it depends on the situation. I just gave you the situation. Yeah, but what was happened to him before? What are you talking about what happened before? He assaulted a cop. What are you talking about?

happened. Like, for example, did you see the videos, which I have when they were standing there peacefully, D.C. Metro comes in, starts firing pepper balls at everyone and force them back. So you're saying Michael Phenone deserved to be physically assaulted? No, no, no, no. I'm saying scenarios are different for every situation, and we have to talk about it clearly. When they're attacking people and someone's like, what am I doing? And they fight back. So hold on, let me get this right. Wait, real quick, real quick. We got to go back to the chain of events for January 6 before we even get to that point. The barricades are set up around the Capitol building,

and at some point, protesters tear them down. They move them outside. I've seen the video. Well, they knock the barricades over, push them aside, and enter into a close property. By the way, on that, the individual and the video I've seen with my lawyer when I was in D.C. for my case, there's a man removing those barricades.

They have yet to even identify that. Of course, of course. Okay, but the point I'm making, there's something else going on that. The point I'm making is, you know, you're bringing up that the police, so this is true. The people are all standing on the Capitol. Nobody's smashing anything. Nobody's fighting.

And the police start shooting pepper balls and throwing flash banks. However, they've already bypassed the barricades into a closed space and are now swarming around the Capitol. So it's not surprising. No, no, that's not. But here, Tim, that's not true. The group that went there was about 25 people who removed the barricades. I understand. But that's the point.

No, the point is, if you don't know you're breaking the law and then people are attacking you. You're like, what's going on? That's not the point I'm making. The point I'm making is a lot of people say the police started attacking the crowd inciting violence, but you have to look at it holistically. I understand. And I make this argument all the time. There are tons of people who did not know there was any crime or anything wrong with walking up to a public building. The barricades had been removed. And, you know, Jank Yugar screamed at me about this because he didn't know the law. He didn't know what happened. I said, you cannot legally charge someone with trespass without having given them a warning of trespass. And if barricades have been physically removed from public

grounds and you're walking your dog and you walk on the sidewalk, you can't trespass that person. But hold on. My point is, when you have, we're not talking about people that have just are walking around the grounds, we're talking about the specific area where you have what appears to be about a thousand or so individuals and they are protesting and have someone removed these and they all came in. It is true a lot of these people, I'd say most of them, did not expect the police to start fire pepper balls or throwing flashbangs. Now let's talk about what the police are experiencing. The police are seeing a crowd of a thousand people having knocked the barricades down

coming up to the front of the building and they say, we have to disperse this crowd. They're going to use crowd control in that regard. I don't blame either side. I don't blame the individuals who did not know. I blame the individuals who tore the barricades down. But listen, we look at like Antiva protests or ICE protests. I was just going to say that.

Police are going to initiate crowd control against a group. Right, right. No, I don't understand that, but the crowd control in front of an ice facility, stopping people from coming and going, and people at this time, with the understanding, like myself, that this is okay for you to be walking over here, it doesn't sit in the same mindset. When you're sitting there and you're standing there,

peacefully protesting as the left was saying, why the fires were behind him for a whole summer. Who said that? CNN? But again, you're taking it completely out of context, that video that's bullshit. What you just said? One of what you said is mostly peaceful protests over in Ferguson?

Okay. So, you kidding me? First of all, when the buildings were burning? So first of all, there was one CNN anchor that used similar verbiage like that. I think it was,

I think it was, and there were tens of millions of people that were protesting. Of the tens of millions of people that were protesting across the country, yes, most of those people were not violent. I would even go as far as to say January 6th, there were about 50 to 100,000 people that were there that day. 1,000 people.

250,000. Was it that much? Yeah, yeah. More than that. Great. That proves my point even better. Let's just say 250,000 of those people, 1,500 people were arrested, about 600 of those people violent. And when you see a guy like Andrew Paul Johnson, for example, who Donald Trump pardoned, he just got life in prison for sexually molesting two children.

Bradley Tyler Dykes, who did a Hitler salute while he was physically assaulting police officers. So this bullshit narrative that all these people were getting hit with these pellet or whatever, balls or whatever. They died from that. What bullshit narrative? There's men that die. You're saying the 600 people that assaulted cops, they all ran tag. So will you say right now, I said people?

So will you say right now that some of these people that I have listed, like the officer who put Phelon in a stroke, like Tyler Dykes, who did a Hitler salute while he was assaulting cops, these are people who Donald Trump pardoned, the man who you voted for three times, will you call these specific people out and say, no, these are not hostages and patriots? They were violent.

They were violent people. Are they hostages and patriots? I don't, I don't know their full case. I can't say that. But they're violent individuals that do, hold on, there's violent individuals that deserve to get the full extent of the law for their violence. I do agree with it. They were pardoned.

They didn't serve, they served a couple of years. They deserve to be pardoned. So, wait, wait, wait, way, way, way, way. Well, you're, you're, you are morally wrong. Under the law, what is the law for assaulting a cop? And then when they went to court and they got that, and they, and they were sentenced to their time? Let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, you want to bring.

Ian, what was that thing where... What was that thing where that president pardoned all those insurrectionists that you always like to talk? That was... That was... Tell me about that. After the Civil War, the Farmers that had gone off... Wait, Civil War?

I'm sorry, the Revolutionary War, the farmers that had gone off to fight in the war now came back and they were all... All their farms were in debt because they hadn't been working for years fighting the war. So the government, the city, was like, well, we're not going to take your soft currency anymore, which is like your barter, your trade. We need hard currency to pay back the French.

So farmers give us money And the farmers are like, we don't have silver So they're like, then we're going to take your farms And all the farmers then go to the capital I think this is up north in Massachusetts Or something in that area And they revolt, they surround the capital The courts, massive violence

All these people get arrested And then-insurrection Yeah, one of the presidents, I think it was John Adams I thought it was Jefferson Might have been Jefferson He pardoned them And they just, no it's actually John Hancock The governor at the time decided

The only way out of this is through it and pardoned everybody. It's like, look, this is past trauma. It's past injury, and there's no way forward if we harm half the country right now. So we're pardoning everyone and moving forward. So I want to bring up the, the issue with, the first thing I'm going to say, you name these specific individuals, and they sound like bad people. But I don't think it's fair to ask someone to condemn an individual they don't know

anything about, just on your word. If you said, will you condemn John Smith? I don't know who the guy is. Give me a little context on who John Smith is. And if you tell me, John Smith did a Hitler salute and then he assaulted police officers to him. I don't have to know him personally to say that is an awful human being and he deserves everything he gets. You won't say that. But you are still incorrect.

Every scenario is different. I'm not going to just trust what you're saying is true and insult another person. Look it up. No, no, I understand that. My point is not on this specific individual. By all means we can say, don't do these things, they're bad things to do. But I'm just saying in a debate to be like, here's one specific individual, here's another. I'm not giving you one.

I can give you plenty. But I'm going to explain why these people. needed to be pardoned. The first question that anyone needs to ask is, what is the amount of time an individual typically gets on a first offense for assaulting an officer? Is it three years in solitary? Solitary is considered torture by many countries. It depends if they have a record. It's a case-by-case basis. Right. It depends. Now, I can give you my personal opinion on what I think about assaulting police officers, whether it's Black Lives Matter or January 6th. I would say, in my personal opinion, if you assault a police officer, which is a horrific crime. First offense, at a protest,

I think it should be a minimum of three to four years in jail. If you assault a cop, very serious crime. So this guy did serve that time. And so the issue with the pardons is there are people that probably should not have been pardoned. But the problem is that I have personally met individuals. I met a woman. Her and her husband got 18 months in prison, in federal prison for misdemeanors. Because around like three or four o'clock, I can't remember the exact time.

This is after this all violence, everything's cleared out. people are already leaving. They were walking through the D.C. They come to the Capitol building where there are no barricades. They're on the other side where there was no violence. They walked up the stairs where the doors are open and they walked inside and asked people what was going on and the police said, there's a protest. I know what you're talking about.

I know this story. They then left. And then a year later, feds kicked their doors in front of their children and arrested them and the judge refused to allow them to present evidence that was exculpatory. So, Tim, that's right. wrong. And I- Indeed. And I agree. The majority of those things are wrong. Listen, I've been very consistent

on my opinions on this. I'll even take your circumstance. I believe that there's no question that there were people that were overcharged. There's no question that there were certain situations where it was politically motivated. And in those specific situations, completely agree with everybody in this world. And so here's the issue. But I'm talking about

the most violent criminals. But again, did I not to say violence that he deserved to get punished for his violence? Did I not to say that? Trump called all those people. I don't care. Yes, yes, but now we have to. Here's the thing. Yeah, you were going to go on the point. My point is, when you have a mass prosecutorial event that is proven malicious, we just

wipe it out. You have no choice. That's why I brought up Shea's rebellion. Owen Schroier was permitted to be there. He in the, in the info was guys, had a permit to be outside the Capitol doing a rally. He never entered the building. He was walking out with a bullhorn. When they, when they convicted him and sent him to, to, he went to federal prison.

I think, right, for two or three months. When he went to prison, when they were sentencing him, they explicitly stated that because in the interim, after conviction he went on his show and spoke politically about his views and support for Trump, he deserved extra time in prison. So when something like that happens, and you know the prosecution has said,

we will target you for your politics and we'll punish you for supporting Trump. The only thing you can do is say, we are wiping the slate off. Now, with all that being said, these bad guys who hit cops and everything, Went to prison for three years. I don't think it's enough.

And some got solitary confinement. Well, change the law. And the biggest problem I asked. It wouldn't matter if you changed the law because he would have pardon them. The biggest problem that I have with where people like you come with your arguments is that you focus on those and you don't focus on the innocent people who did the grandmother. No, you don't do it. You're wrong. You're wrong. You don't listen to my show.

I know Pam Hempful. I've interviewed her. I've interviewed people. You don't do it with this passion. You don't. You don't. You don't. You're wrong.

I've watched enough of you that you don't do with this passion. You don't go. You don't go out and go, hey, you know what was wrong? The fact they didn't let them use their own evidence off their phone to sit there and prove themselves. Sculpatory evidence was barred. They wouldn't let them use evidence, man. That's like the judicial wouldn't do that. And no one, so many people on the other side of the fence sat there and go, I don't care.

You're a problem because you're a Trump supporter. You got to understand. That's the problem. First of all, you got to understand Brian's a fascist. And he believes that in judicial proceedings, definitely not. The government should be allowed to bar individuals from bringing in exculpatory evidence. Can I ask you, what did you say about, I'm definitely not a fascist? What did you say about, what did you say about Brian Sittnick?

He did die the next day. You don't think it had anything to do with me? No, no, no. I said he died the next day. Right. Did you feel like what happened that day might have played a role? I don't know. He died of a stroke.

Yeah. That's what I do know, which is not just, wait. Are you aware of what the coroner said? The coroner said that January 6 did have something to do with it. Correct. When you talk about strokes and you talk about plaque going into your brain, that doesn't happen in a day. What about the, wait, that happens in the lifetime of bad decisions.

Hold on, hold on. Okay, well, we can't just say, oh, here's what I'm going to say. They said natural causes. Okay, but yeah, but here's what the, here's what he also said. He also, the medical examiner noted, and you're correct, that the violence and what he endured that day, including getting assaulted with a chemical substance, played a role in his condition. Yeah. Now, what about eating like crap? Does that play a role?

Okay. So, so. So, look, Ashley Baba got shot and killed. So it's like, I don't think we play. Absolutely. We don't play this. But how many, I mean, how many protesters died that day? How many protesters were killed?

It was Ashley Babbitt. There was a woman, I believe, that had a heart attack, and she was trampled that day. One guy fell off. One guy was pushed. Listen, it was a horrible, it was a horrible day. But there's nobody on the other side going, wow, these people who didn't know what was going on, she shouldn't be, she shouldn't have been beaten to death. This one woman, this one woman shouldn't have her brain scrambled and then get kicked out of her apartment because she can't work because she was in a tunnel. It's all terrible. Yes. That's the part we're waiting for. Because all you guys want to do is sit. there and go, you beat cops, you beat cops. What about everyone else who had their life ruined? What about the fact that I was on a list that I couldn't

fly for three years and not charged with a damn crime? That's fascism and no one ever talks about that. Why don't we ever talk about that? Why don't we ever care about that? Here's what I'll say. They beat the cops. And that's it. They beat the cops. How career was ruined because I just was standing someplace and they painted

your career is ruined? No, was. Was. I was. I got pardoned. No, until I just leaned all hard in. Okay. So, here's what I'll say to that. Here's my number one concern. Beyond somebody's career. I think about the families who have lost loved ones. I think about the officers who have traumatic brain injury. I think about people who have injuries that they have to suffer through for the rest of their lives. A lot of them were J-6ers. A lot of them were J-6ers that were just standing there, bro.

You don't think about them. And this is proved my point because as you're bringing out who you think about, you know what I just said? The problem is you don't listen. You think about the 106 police officers that you were going to go down the list that who had injuries, but you didn't open a word about the guy who was pushed off the stairs. You're not listening to my words, so I'll repeat myself once again. The people who were injured, yes, there were officers that had traumatic brain injury, but anybody who was injured that day that didn't commit any crimes, I absolutely feel for. So why, then why?

Let me ask you, why do you not see the government go after these people in a way that was not even, it wasn't even reasonable? and they ruined their lives, bro. And I don't hear a word. I don't hear a word from the other side about average people. Having the weight of the most powerful government. Who, and the other side on here

is the fact that the lack of security, no one goes, huh, how did these random people just get in here? It's supposed to be the most protected areas. Yet if you had your body guard, you said it was awesome. If he dropped the ball, you're not going to just be mad at the person

that attacked you. You're going to be mad at this individual that you hired to do a person. The president of the United States. And no, that's not the job. Do you know the law? Who controls the security? I do know the law.

And who controls the security at that place? I understand a couple things there. First of all, Donald Trump had the power and had the power to call in the National Guard. Did he not? Who controls? I'm asking you. Did he not try to? I'm asking you.

What did he do? Did he not try to? Did he do that day? He asked them, do you guys? The January 6th commission investigated this? He said, do you want this? All right, guys, guys. He said he wanted.

Who controls the security at the capital? Donald Trump is the president of the United States. Donald Trump had the power to call on the National Guard. He did not do that. That's not the question I asked you. It's been proven. Can you please not do that? Can you please answer my question before we move on?

Can he answer that question? Who's in charge of security for the war? Well, obviously you could point the finger as well at Nancy Pelosi. Okay. Thank you. But, but but but. Tim, you're going to say. It proves it.

Yeah, that's it. But Donald Trump called him the National Guard within the flip of the year. I want to, a couple months back, did he not? I want to bring this into the modern era. He didn't do that. Because there's a couple of things that are going on since then, so we'll move forward. But the last thing I'll just say on the issue, because you made a point is, I'll use one example. There's a woman who lives in Alaska.

The feds raided her home because she looked like somebody who was in the capital. Right. So they rated her home. I mean, this is pretty crazy. That's not evidence. That's shocking. Yeah. So I think the issue that, you know, Seyaka brings up, that I often bring up is I have, I sit down with somebody and they say, someone punched a cop.

someone, I'm like, those people all deserve prison. Assault on an officer, first offense. They're not hostage and patriots. They don't deserve money. Hold on. That's a different question. The people who are violent, the people who turn down barricades and smash windows all deserve prison.

But here's the issue. When I pointed out, the majority of people who are actually charged, largely with misdemeanors, you have more than half of the people on the other side of the building where there's no riot. The riders on one side of the building get in, and they go on open doors or on the other side. Internally, the police themselves open doors. Right. Then there's a bunch of people.

walking around and what do they see? The doors were opened and this is a public building. In my video, you hear me go, is this where they're letting people in? They go, yep. There were, no, you have made statements that are incorrect. First of all, how many officers let people in and how many officers were working that day? But the one that I saw, there was two cops right there and then there was a line of cops. And I just, there's a line of cops standing there and not doing anything. So some of those, some of those cops testified under oath. And some of those cops said, which I completely agree with, makes complete sense to me. If you have one cop per se, 100 people and you have an armed officer there, you basically have two

choices. Choice number one, you take out your gun, you point it, and maybe start shooting at people, which I think everyone here would agree we didn't want them to do. Number two, you let them in. You have two choices in that situation. Why would you criticize? Yeah, the third choice is what they did to me. Hey, go back the other way. Okay, officer. Thank you. You don't think they tried to do that? He did it for me. I literally.

Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. The point I'm bringing up once again, guys, stop. This is what I'm trying to get to. We have already concluded the portion of violent rioters are bad and deserve prison. Now, there's some contention there, but we largely agree so we're moving past that. My question is, when the doors have been opened and a fine gentleman over here is walking

around with no idea what's going on on public grounds and they put them in prison, put them on a no fly list. You didn't go to jail. I didn't go to jail, only for one night, but they terrorized me for four years. Right, right. So there are people who went to jail for a year or two, having been walking around doing nothing. This is prosecutorial overreach and it's malicious. I got a question about assault because if you spit, if you spit on an officer, that's considered assault, but also if you grab them by the hair and pull them on the ground. No, no, no, no.

Hold on. We got it. At battery, too? So typically, and there are some jurisdictions where this is different. Assault is putting someone in reasonable fear of harm. Battery is taking an action, a physical contact that results in either harm or embarrassment. So there are levels of assault where, like, a guy spit near a cop, and then he got three years in solitary, and a guy, like, pushed a cop and got... Typically, assault on an officer doesn't mean you're spitting near a cop.

A southern officer means usually attacking a police officer. Okay. It's a little nuance. About the doors being open. And by the way, when you have one officer, you have one officer. and hundreds of people there. An officer, if you told them, just tell people to go the other way.

Some of those, hold on, some of those officers would laugh at you. That wasn't working. When you have hundreds of angry people that are trying to storm the capital, it works with some people, sure. Okay, guess what? It worked with you. Because they talked about it.

Hold on. And you know what, again, the problem is? It worked with you. They shouldn't have came to my house with 15 agents and guns in my face. That's a different circumstance. That's the problem. That's the ultimate problem.

I'll get to that in a moment. That's the thing. I'll get to that in a moment. So when you're talking about, there were cops standing around. I was talking to them. That's a different. Hold on a second. Hold on a second.

Hold on. He's already been swearing. That's what you're talking about. I'm happy to talk about that with you, but that's not what I'm referring to right now. All I'm simply saying is maybe with somebody like you when an officer says you can't go in here, leave. Maybe it would work with somebody like you. I guess it did. But there were people that they were violent people, some of them.

They weren't listening to Capitol Police. So I'm going back to what I said earlier. You have two choices. when you have people that appear to be a threat to you, that could hurt you, that appear to be violent people, you have two choices if you're an officer with a gun. Hold on. You either take out your gun and start shooting them or you let them in. By the way, if you're in a bank, okay, and there's a security guard at the safe, and he says, come right in. Does that give you the right to go in there and steal money from the safe? No, of course not. I'm just telling you. Actually, hold on. That does create interesting legal problems. Maybe, perhaps, but that doesn't mean you can go on there and just steal all the money. Actually, depending on the circumstances, you may have a hard time prosecuting that case. An individual standing in a bank and the security guard says, no, you're free to enter.

And they go, oh, okay. The security guard would be breaking the law. So here's, I got something for you. And the first thing I'm going to tell you is, I'm about to say something. You're going to give me an incorrect response. Okay? So the first thing I'm going to say is get ready for it. January 6th is prove.

to have been an inside job. Yep. Confirmed. Yep. And I'm going to prove it to you. I can prove it to you. Now, give me your response first. So, and then I'm going to explain to you why it's true, actually.

So claims that the FBI, I didn't say that, orchestrated January 6th. I never said that. You never said that. Okay. I said it was inside job. Okay. By who?

By police. Okay. So there was an investigation in 2021 of it allegedly being an inside job. That was debunked. The report came out. in 2004. I know you didn't, there were no undercover agents that were there. There were zero full-time undercover FBI employees that were present in the protest.

Okay, wait, whoa, whoa, no, no, no, no, no, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. I'm just going by the report that came out. I need this response because this is important for everybody who's listening right now, so I can explain. Now, there were informants that were present. So, so, so, so, so the reason why I asked this question in the way that I did, and the reason I got to pause you, Seaca, is you have changed the definition of inside job to fit this narrative. Well, who was it? Tell me. Okay. So hold on. The next thing I want to ask people is what is your understanding of what an inside job is. Well, let's start with a bank robbery.

When there's a bank robbery and the police are investigating and they say, this appears to be an inside job, does this mean that they were undercover federal agents? Does it mean that the head of the bank was in on it? Does it mean that the head of the bank brought in a bunch of like seven or eight security guards to orchestrate a big robbery? It does not. It could. But typically it refers to a single a single low-level employee who provided aid to the criminals in some capacity. So an inside job at a bank, almost 80% of the time, 90% of the time, they're not usually referring to the CEO of the bank setting up a robbery. They're referring to a janitor propping open a back door with a broom so that the bad guys

can sneak in the back. An inside job just means someone working within this bank aided those criminals. I understand what your definition is. So there were a few things to consider. First, did you know that a man was acquitted? specifically because the police fanned him into the building. Now I'm unaware of it. There is a man who was acquitted.

This is early on. Black did, right? I think the half was. He's the only one. He's the only one. He showed video where the police officer waved him into the building, and he points and he's like, and he walked in. They then criminally charged him and he says, this officer invited me into the building. That's an inside job.

I'm not suggesting the FBI orchestrated. You think the FBI orc, it was an inside job with the FBI? No, I don't. You don't. Matthew Martin was that guy's name. Right. And this was a big deal. And this is when I brought up the point that, you know,

Jank Yugar snapped on his show screaming and ranting about. I said, when a cop waves you to come on in, you can't trespass a person who was just asked to enter. Now, there's more. Inside the building, whatever your argument is as to who is violent or who, we know that there are a lot of violent people. We know that some people entered the other side of the building. And that's why they weren't charged with felonies. They were charged with misdemeanor trespass.

Right. However, there is surveillance footage showing the shaman being walked with the police. And they opened the door. That is the definition of an inside job. Now, no, hold on. I've heard your argument about you have two choices of gun or you let him in. And the shaman was by himself. Surrounded by seven or eight police officers who said, come with me, sir, right this way and walked him into the Senate chambers.

Yeah, I saw that video. That is an inside job. Okay. So let me respond to that real quickly. So as you know, Tim, there are a lot of people on the extreme right that say it was an FBI inside job. I know you're not saying that. Right. But here's the deal, right?

Cash Patel, about six months ago, made statements saying that there were going to be arrests, that it was an inside job. They literally have made statements like that within the Trump administration. If, in fact, there are people that broke the law and there's some sort of inside job, then were the arrests. let's present that evidence in a courtroom. Yeah, I saw the, what is it? The shaman, is that how do you pronounce this name? Shaman? Whatever the fuck his name is.

That's Michael Jackson's little interlude. I've interviewed that clown. Jacob, he's not a Trump guy, by the way. I know, but he's a clown living in his mom's basement. I've interviewed him before. He ran for office. He got destroyed. He got embarrassed.

He's got an IQ of about 20. But anyway, that was weird. That was weird video. I did see that. And I'm hearing you. All I'm simply saying is we keep hearing from the Trump administration, inside job, inside job. There's going to be arrest.

Well, Cash, where the hell are the arrests? I keep hearing these arrests are coming. Agreed. So like you think you keep hearing it like that. Who you think is more frustrated about that? You or me? Well, let's let. We all agree we want to see action.

No, but under the presumption that's they're making these claims. But the point, the point I make on that is the fact that, dude, those arrests vindicate and the belief that we have in so many nonviolent, especially, nonviolent, even some that killed themselves Jay Sixers want to see. What do you think about arresting and then pardoning those people? The ones that the inside. Yeah, yeah, after three years of solitary

maybe we'll uh... Yeah, maybe we'll talk about it. But here, again, and I was, we were talking about this earlier. I personally think J-6 was more than just like, oh, hey, let's present it as insurrection for one side and let's like freedom fighters for others. To me, part of it was government working on technology to be able to come

and find all of us in a certain way. and everyone that crossed that border of onto the grass got their phone pings that we talked about before a lady who was pregnant at the time just got pregnant she was standing on the grass she was put under nine months of house arrest because she was an insurrection by january 6th she also then they were threatened to take her her baby away because they were just they were they were being terrorists they're being asked a question they're being terrible don't trump's behaviors that day bother you at all he did four hours he did nothing he sat on his ass and he did nothing his behavior he said he said he said peacefully and patriotically.

I'm not talking about the state. Hold on. I'm not talking about, I'm not talking about just the statements he made before. Okay. I'm talking about the three and a half to four hours when he was asked and begged by members of his administration to put out a video. Okay, wait, hold on. Nothing.

Okay. He did put out the video. So, hold on hours later. Let's let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, Okay. Here you go with Nancy Pelosi. Okay. So, so, so guys, guys, guys, she's not in charge of the, of the capital.

We're gonna, we're gonna try and make. This is the. We're going to move forward because... Real quick, please. Real quick. This is the problem. It's everything's Trump's fault, but the people who actually can be held responsible for... Which is what I'm trying to set up.

I'll call out the National Guard in five minutes a couple months ago. Why did you have five people? We're going to mute you guys in three seconds because you're starting to debate something we debated 20 minutes ago again. He brought that up. Yeah. So the next question we have is on the merits... Don't censor me, Tim. I will censor you, brother.

The insurrection question, the behavior. of Donald Trump and eligibility for office, which brings us halfway to today. So one of the big issues we have right now that's up for debate is this woman, Darya Aliza, Chevalier. She has just won her primary, which is a de facto win for Congress because she's in a Democrat district. She is part of two organizations. CUAD, it's been reported. CUAD, which has been reported as a founder of, which is Columbia University of Parthide DeVest,

as well as its sister organization, I believe it's the National Society for Justice for Palestinians. SJP, both of these organizations have put out statements saying that their goals are to destroy either Western civilization or to destroy America by bringing violence to America. So this is a stated insurrectionist, I guess, intent, and rebellious, et cetera, or as you'd call it. And now there's a question of whether or not she should be allowed in Congress. How can you swear an oath of the Constitution, having explicitly stated you intend to destroy this nation. Before we get to that, though, we're going to go halfway with the question of Donald Trump's eligibility. Did Donald Trump incite an insurrection and participate, thus making him ineligible for office?

It's a good question. Jack Smith might have something to say about that when he leaves office. I think Jack Smith has a pretty good case. But it's a very slippery slope. As I ask Trump supporters all the time. And I understand you and I disagree on the 2020 election, but I always ask people, if Donald Trump doesn't lie, and I consider it a lie, that the election was stolen, does January 6th happen? Obviously, the answer is no. Did he incite it? Well, I go back to if he's not lying about the election every day, months before January 6th, that day does not happen. Now, we'll have to wait and see what happens when he leaves office. My understanding is they did not charge him with incitement, but I would certainly say that if not for Donald Trump, lying, saying the election was rigged every day for like almost two months before January 6th, it doesn't happen.

Indeed, but that's not legal incitement in any capacity. It's a slippery slope. It's a gray area. I don't know. But it's not even a gray area. If I said that if I, if I publicly defamed you in the most egregious of ways accusing you of violent crimes against children or whatever, that's not incitement. That's defamation. I would say dereliction of duty would probably be easier on the day that it happened, then then incitement. I think that's a better case you could make. But he's not an insurrectionist. I understand that. But I'm just saying I could probably make a better case for that.

What was the case on his inaction that day? So again, by all means, if you want to accuse Trump of some kind of wrongdoing, the principal question is, is he eligible for office? And Democrats tried in several states to bar him from running for office again under this argument that he incited an insurrection intentionally with the purpose of overthrowing the U.S. government. Now, again, I'm stressing this. This was a principal, mainstream liberal position. that was held by prominent Democrats across the board in multiple states, and they spent millions, if not tens of millions, to actually try to implement that strategy. I mean, listen, you could make the same argument about Republicans and Benghazi and the eight

investigations that were led by Republicans into Hillary Clinton. It happens on both sides. They waste money. And I think we should be talking about, you know, more. What we know is that didn't happen, obviously. Donald Trump is the president of the United States. By all means you can rag on Hillary or rag on Trump for going after Hillary. The question is, if you want to have a debate.

debate on Benghazi, we can, but the question is, did Donald Trump orchestrate and incite an insurrection for the purpose of overthrowing the U.S. government? No. No. Who? I mean, I mean, I know, like, I look at sausage fingers guy. You know what I mean? Well, his fingers do look like sausages. But this is my point when he's dialing the phone, like, Cuffifi. Everybody like, what is Cuffifi? Trump's sausage fingers his phone and accidentally pressed sent. That's it. You and I, you and I know some of the same people, very prominent people on the right that I've had private conversations with. And in some of those private conversations, Donald Trump has admitted he lost the election. So in private. But so there's, there's an issue there,

right? I feel like a lot of the conversations, the left likes to play a semantic game. The question is, what is the context of what is being said? So if Donald Trump behind the scene says, I've lost, does what does that mean in full context? Well, legally it doesn't. really mean anything, but... But is he saying they have out-procedured me in a way that is illicit and wrong, but I cannot secure power. No, I think we're getting in the weeds here. Or is he saying the people of America don't like me and have voted against me? I think we're getting in the weeds here, Tim. I think it's very simple with Donald Trump. I think we all know that the man can't admit he loses it anything. He's a narcissist. I think that's what

this sounds comes down to. He doesn't care about election integrity. But again, again, he doesn't care about any of this stuff. He just can't admit that he lost. That's fine, That's what it comes down to. But there is a question of what is he referring to? What did he lose? Did he lose a procedural game against Democrats? Or did he lose the will of the American people? Here are two different questions.

I think you can make the argument maybe perhaps both. I mean, listen, I'll take myself, for example. My vote for Joe Biden was an anti-Donald Trump vote. Joe Biden wasn't my first, second or third choice. I'll say the same thing about Kamala Harris. Going back to 2020, going back to 2020, I always hear the same argument for MAGA Republicans who claim that, you know, Trump won. He got 81 million.

votes? Well, let me tell you something. A lot of those votes were anti-Donald Trump votes. Now, I don't think Joe Biden was a horrible president. I don't think Joe Biden is a bad guy. But I can tell you a lot of people voted for Joe Biden, especially the pandemic during that time, because it was an anti-Trump vote. Let's come to today. Trump doesn't spread any propaganda. Well, he doesn't have six different stations on your face all day. He doesn't have musical artists

talking shit all day. He doesn't have the actors talking shit all Not to the, Kid Rock is one person. You're going to count Kid Rock or entire Capitol records. Have you watched Fox News, News, Newsmax, or O-A-N? You've been on Fox News. The joke of a network. I've been on O-A-N too. Fox News is a joke of a network.

I've been on all of them. Wait, wait, wait. But you're talking, but you're talking, the number one. Okay. One of everyone that doesn't matter. CNN's not a joke. You don't think Fox News C's not a joke? What are you talking about?

CNN sued for $900 million. Did they have to, who did that? And you know, and you know what? Didn't they just drop their lawsuit against the My Pillow guy? No, no. Didn't they just do that? I didn't ask you about Mike. No, no, no, but didn't they just dropped it.

Fox settled. Fox didn't admit any guilt they settled. Why did they settle? Because they were scared cowards. They were scared cowards. If they had waited like Mike Lundell, they would have dropped. Did OAN settle? They were cowards too.

Wait, wait, wait, wait. But Mike Lundel wasn't. Did they drop it against Mike? Or did he, what happened to Mike? Do you have to pay him? So I'll answer that. Did he stand tall? I'll answer that.

I find it. I find it very interesting. Oops. Oops. Oops. That the My Pillow Drug Addicted idiot that you're defending right now. Oh, so now it matters when did they drop the losses? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

I got to stop you there. I got to stop you there. I'm going to give credit to Hunter Biden for getting clean. And Mike Lindell deserves the exact same respect. Fair point. I still think Mike might be on something. But anyway, with that being said, I don't think Lindel TV is at the level of some of the bigger networks. I don't care about what I'm talking about.

I don't care. I wouldn't say. I'm talking about him personally. All right, well, congratulations. It went after him personally. He went after him personally. He said, he said, he said, he's a little bit of him personally. He, him personally stood tall and then they dropped that.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on. Okay, the point that I was trying to make. Lindel won. Okay, the point that I was trying to make is you use the term propaganda. I just interviewed Hunter Biden last week, okay? The propaganda about his laptop and that he was with underage girls. The propaganda, we talk, you guys talk about barisma, but you don't want to talk about the billions of dollars that Donald Trump has made in a crypto scandal.

You don't want to talk about the $600 million government contract with Don Jr. You don't want to talk about that stuff. But talk about Hunter Biden's paintings. So if you want to do. Hunter Biden's laptop. So if you want to do. Was Hunter Biden's laptop? Was it suppressed or no during the 2020 election?

What's in the laptop? What did he do? That's not what I asked you. Don't answer a question with a question. Who suppressed it? Tell me. No, I'm asking you. I don't know.

Who suppressed it? So you don't think it was at all? Wait, wait, wait. Hold on. You don't think it was at all then. Okay. Tell me. Facebook.

FBI. Facebook suppressed it. I think. Which would include Instagram. Twitter at the time. And Twitter at the time. And sharing a link to it. What's in the laptop?

The New York doesn't matter, man. It's about suppressing information to try to craft a certain thing, right? Would you say the same thing about the Epstein files? Hold on, hold on. No, they do matter because I was screaming about the Epstein files before it became cool for your side to actually care about people apparently. Not true. What are you talking about? Not true.

You have no idea. Give me, give me all the leftists, give me the prominent leftists that talked about Epstein files before Trump said it was. I will gladly, I will gladly. I will gladly, first of all, I don't speak for the left. Okay, I'm not, okay, but I'm going to tell you my personal. You want me to. Well, no. you're a far right wing person.

No, no, no. You want me to speak for the right. So I'm going to give you my personal opinion on the Epstein calls, okay? Here's what I will say. Every single Democrat voted to release the files recently, every single one. Here's what I will say my personal opinion is on the Epstein Files. And I've been very consistent on this. Even when Maxwell was facing trial, I said, I don't care whether it's somebody on the left or the right.

I don't care if it's Bill Clinton or Donald Trump. Here's what we know right now. All right. Let me tell you guys. The right was literally, they were campaigning on this. Remember the binders? Yeah. Remember Jack Fesobic and all these idiots with the binders out there? How did that work out? I want to suppress it. Let me try some knowledge out there for the average person there who can learn about that Hunter Biden laptop. And why I think it's very likely the man will not do a sit-down interview with me. So I think he will. I disagree. We'll see. What was relevant in the Hunter Biden laptop, I did not care all that much about the illicit photos. I mean, those call into his question his character. People made fun.

of his teeth because he was getting his teeth redone. And initially, I will fully admit, I did not know that that was actually dental work getting done. I thought his teeth were actually just bad and he had messed him up. And then people explained to me that photo of his teeth, it's because he's actually getting teeth work. I was like, oh, okay. A few things. Crack would be.

There was an email about a China deal in which he made a reference to 10% held by H for the big guy. Tony Bob Yolinsky did an interview where he basically said, this is money being held for the vice president at the time. This is basically we're doing backroom deals with these corporations. The next issue, of course, is the issue of Burisma, where we learned about Hunter Biden receiving money to be on the board of Brisbane. Now, the interesting thing is this is deep political stuff that I think the American people need to reconcile and they don't want to. And that is the response from liberals over the Burisma issue was that this was all in line with U.S. foreign policy. The fact that Joe Biden went to the president and said, if you don't fire the prosecutor, you're not getting the billion dollars, which is illegal.

But it didn't matter if it was legal or illegal because U.S. special interests, CIA, military, et cetera, wanted this to happen. Big story. It connects to everything, including Iran, so I will keep it succinct. Russia runs gas prom gas pipelines through Ukraine. They control about 20 percent of natural gas into Europe. The past 20 years of conflict have largely been centered around getting cheaper gas into Europe. for economic expansion. We have been hindered in, the West has been hindered in quite in quite in many ways. Assad blocked the Qatar Turkey pipeline. Russia was controlling prices through gas prom. When we could not alleviate the pressures, Russia then starts running gas through Nord Stream.

And so the CIA blows that up. It was actually a Ukrainian guy. He's been indicted by the German authorities and it is believed to have been at the behest of the U.S., the CIA, to stop Russia from from winning favor over in Europe and putting them in a sphere of influence where Russia has more control. We didn't like that. But Shah al-Assad ousted largely because he aligned with Russia would not allow these gas pipelines. So Hunter Biden, there's a former director of counterterror for the CIA on the board of Burisma as well. People need to ask these questions. Mikolas-Lachevsky is the founder of Burisma. It's an energy company in Ukraine. The purpose of this company is to create a competitive mechanism by which the U.S. can fight Russian gas power.

in Europe. Hunter Biden's position on this was, I would argue, of course, there's nepotism. This guy's not getting this job without his dad being the vice president, but it's because they want to put in a high-level American-aligned insider in a foreign company so that Western and U.S. influence over energy in Ukraine is controlled. They can't put Joe Biden in there. He's literally an elected official. So they need people who are outside of government, but are loyal to government and proven so that the West can control this influence. So you get a former, a director of counterterrorism, and you get Hunter Biden. Now, I'd love to talk to him about this, because I'm sure he might just say something like, well, I got a job and that's all it was. I did talk to him about it. He gave me a

different time frame as to when his father was not the president or the vice president, but here's what I'll say in general terms about this. I think there need to be laws and stricter laws put in place so that family members can't take advantage of who their father is or who their mother is. in certain positions. With that being said, yes, of course he got the Burisma gig. I think it was $50,000 a month, something about a money. No, no, no, no. Well, it's been reported at 80.

Of course, he got that. Of course, he got that gig because of who his father is. Of course. With that being said, the levels of corruption that we've seen under Donald Trump are immeasurable. Jared Kushner, $2.1 billion from the sound. I'm going to stop you. Because I'm bringing up this so that we can have a through line of this

conversation around, like we're moving forward. We absolutely can talk about Trump and all those things you want to say, I don't want to get off this subject because we're talking about the Hunter Biden laptop, why it was relevant. In the Hunter Biden laptop, and I even, I spoke to him about this. This was when he was suffering from drug addiction. Yes, there's stuff on there, some pictures that don't make him look great. I'm trying to say this. Like, the reason why I don't want to derail instantly into what Trump has done to Kushner. Okay. I'm happy to talk about. But again, I want to make the point, and I help the American people understand this, well, not literally every single person, but those watching. The U.S. government is doing these things all of the time.

Yes. They're doing it under Obama. They're doing it under Bush, even Trump. There is going to be Western operations that you will despise that they are going to do, and it's going to make things better for you. Now, here's the funny thing where I can wrap this up with a neat little bow. the principal reason that people are pissed off if like this this this this issue with Biden and I got to be honest if they didn't bring gay communism into institution schools, movies and otherwise you people are going to be like if you said I'm saying literally I'm not you're not wrong but it's just if listen listen if someone if you go to a Trump supporter and the question you got to ask yourself is do people?

People genuinely understand their own feelings. The answer is no, absolutely not. This is why people don't have this ability to be introspective. So when I talk to somebody and they say, I can't stand Joe Biden, I'm not going to listen to the words they're saying, I'm going to look at their actions, and I'm going to try and find the underlying causes of stress in their lives. And typically you'll find that most people want to strike at a symbol of what they feel is causing them strife or oppression or something to that effect. Left does it, the right does it. So when you ask a Trump supporter, and they're complaining the Hunter Biden laptop, I'm going to pause. Okay.

I'm going to say to you, sir, do you really care that the United States deployed special assets and interest to control natural gas in Europe? I think the answer is no. So why are you met at the Bidens? They're going to find any reason to point out impropriety. I agree. And I'll say this. It comes down to I went to watch my favorite movie and they made my favorite story and Ann Bolin's not a black gay woman. Star Wars sucks. Why is everyone yelling at me? I can't watch basketball anymore.

So what happens is when someone watches the BLM riots, they say, why are these people smashing and burning things down and no one's getting arrested? These are the things that affect them on their daily life. They want to play a video game. They're told they can't. So they built up this, there's an anger they feel because of what is directly impacting them. Then when someone comes to them and say, those Bidens, they're all woke, you know what Hunter Biden did too? He was in Burisma. And they're going to say, they are my enemies. They're They have made things that I do not like. So now I'm going to latch on to something that normally would not matter to me because it makes them my enemy.

But you had- Similarly for Trump. Going back to the Hunter Biden laptop real quickly and then we could move on. But you had mentioned, again, the word propaganda. I interviewed a woman who was a lunatic by the name of Tina Peters who just got out of jail. Tina Peters, when I interviewed her a few weeks before she went to jail, claim she had the hard drive of the Hunter Biden laptop. Now, she is an absolute freaking lunatic. But if you want to talk about propaganda, all the people out there, and let's say, Listen, there are people that say things, you know, on the right and the left, obviously, that are not true.

But that Hunter Biden was with underage, you know, Asian girls. And I heard all this weird bullshit, okay? I'm going to tell you something about Hunter Biden. He's not a perfect man. I've gotten a little chance to get to know him over the last few months or so. And he is a smart guy who struggled through drug addiction. And what he is doing now is admirable. He is helping people that struggle with addiction.

He's admirable. He's not perfect. I'm sick of people calling them the Biden crime family, but yet the same people who go after Hunter Biden and go after the laptop and talk about Joe Biden to the people that don't want to talk about the $2.1 billion that Jared Kushner took. I don't want to talk about the levels of corruption. I want consistency. That's that's the point. Consistency. When January 6th happened, everyone was an insurrectionist.

No, I'm going through the whole thing. I didn't say that. No, I'm going through the whole thing. This may not have been you, but I'm telling you from. sitting on this side of the fence. When you're looking and everything, everything was negative for Trump and something just like the laptop to go at the very least, the lowest level, why are they censoring this stuff? Yeah.

Let's go back to COVID. Hey, man, I heard before everything came out, I heard like these Indian doctors had a report taken off the internet because it was showing what really happened. And you couldn't say anything. And one side was like, well, as long as I wear the mask and take the shot, I'm the good guy. You guys don't deserve to go to restaurants. Operation Warps Speed, is that a good thing? I don't really care because I didn't care?

No, I don't. You voted for Donald Trump. I'm just curious what you're, you're an anti-vaxxer, right? Well, not a necessary anti-vaxxer. I just didn't believe in that thing that came out of nowhere and didn't isolate the virus itself. So don't take it. Okay.

So what's the problem? You should not let me inside something because I didn't take it. But wait, wait, wait, it was mandated. Well, I was, first of all, did they force J-Sixers in jail to get it? In jail, they did. Yeah, they made it as crazy. As in general terms, I almost died of COVID, but in general terms, I've never been pro mandate. I've also my personal, tell me if you disagree with this personal opinion. I know we're

getting into another topic here, but I've always said this should be a personal decision between your personal physician who knows your medical history. As you know in this country, two thirds of people in this country have comorbidities. It's horrible. A lot of people that are very unhealthy. I've never said that you should be forced to be vaccinated. But here's my issue. And I think we will agree on this. You shouldn't be telling other people what to do. Don't chastise someone because they are vaccinated. I'm a type one juvenile diabetic. And again, I'm not saying. saying you did that. No, but, but, but, but, but I, I, I, I'm only, I'm blaming you personally for his diabetes.

That's the debate. I get it. I've been called diabetes boy before. Wait, wait, you got to be careful. What if he finds a time? By the way. Go back. Go back.

By the way. I'll get this pickup line to Ian. Ian, um, good pickup line. You're so sweet. You gave me diabetes. Thank you very good. I am. Anyway.

Taking that one home with. Listen, I've been very consistent on that, right? You know, nobody should have been forced to have taken the jab. However, don't chastise others for getting vaccinated. You know, I've, I've debated. Trump supporters before. And they get the vaccine. You liberal. And I said, well, guess what? Trump got vaccinated, you idiot? I mean, these people are stupid. Here's the difference. Here's the difference. People lost their jobs because they didn't. And no support from the, no support from the

average person, the average person who should be like, dude, you can't fire Joe. Joe's one of my workers. He's my homie. If he doesn't want to take it, that's his right. That's not what happened. It was get them out of here. They're pariahs. People holding signs. Put them in gas chambers. So if you own a business, this is the thing that was going on. So if you own a business, you don't think you should have the right to do that. You should have the right. Or employees. No, no.

If you own a business. Not for an employees because that's just asking you. No, not for employees because under most state constitutions, including ours, you can't discriminate based on how. So during the pandemic, when I was at a radio station, I had to do my show out of my apartment. And nobody was allowed in the radio station. My personal opinion is if you own a restaurant, you know, you can kick somebody out for wearing a maga hat if you want to. On DC. Well, in certain places...

No, but DC is the one place. It's wild. But for the most part, you can kick someone out if you don't like their shirt. Yeah, yeah, you can not service, yeah. So I'm kind of like... Not employment. My opinion is if you're running your own business, you can do things the way you want to do as long as you're not like discriminated.

This is where the propaganda came in, though. All the major news stations except even Fox jumped in there. If you take this, then this will happen will be good for society. Those who don't take this is skidding in the ways. CNN, MSNBC. Fox News. I can Fox News even said. Ben Shapiro.

There was Ben Shapiro who at the time, I was like, what the hell is he doing? Here's my response to that. Okay, real quickly. Let me get the vaccine. Let me just. He's like, you're stupid if you don't. And I'm like, wait a second, bro. Benjamin Netanyahu could bomb every country in the world and I'll support it.

What are we doing? Oh, let's reel in back again. Listen, you're going to, you know, your experience on January 6th. You're obviously very passionate about, okay, I'm giving you my experience on COVID, right? And there's a reason why I'm saying this. You know, before the first vaccine, came out. I almost died. I was in the ICU for two weeks. I got the vaccine after that. Got COVID a couple more times. I had the sniffles, right? It saved my life. That's my personal,

you know, uh, story on it. But here's what I've been very, I've been very, for you. Thank you. I've been very consistent on this. It paralyzed Brandon. This, the world wasn't ready for this, okay? I had a problem with the way Donald Trump handled it. Example, Herman Kane. Let's talk about him for a moment. I've interviewed Herman Kane. It was a really nice guy. So Donald Trump was holding these rallies when we were losing two to three thousand people a day. He made, or his people in his group, made people sign waivers basically saying that if you got COVID, you can't sue us, right? Herman Kate is a guy who suffered through cancer and survived it. He wasn't wearing a mask, went to one of his rallies, got COVID, died a week or two later.

I believe during that time that was very irresponsible. Now, I'm not saying everything was perfect. I'm not saying masks. But here's the last thing I'll say on this, and I'll land my plane here. I don't listen to idiots on CNN or Fox News that don't have any medical credentials at all telling me what I should do with my life when it comes to when it comes to that. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. A lot of them sent people off. Okay. But no, no, no, no, guys, guys, guys. Okay. Okay. The problem is not Donald Trump making statements. It's Dr. Peter McCullough. It is Dr. Drew. It is Robert Malone. Who's that African chick that was literally like ruined?

Her career was ruined. There are medical doctors that came out and guess what we've learned since then. They were correct. In fact, nature.com. So this is a nature.com article that caused a splash back in April. MRNA vaccine immunity is enhanced by hepatocyte detargeting and not dependent on dendritic cell expression. In layman's terms, there were a few questions that came out during COVID pertaining to the vaccine around myocarditis, paracarditis, immunity itself. One of the big areas of contention was that I think, you know,

a famous Rachel Matto clip where she goes, what we know now is that if you get this thing, it stops with you. That's it. Well, that was wrong. Indeed, it was wrong. This is important. Because it evolved from the vaccine will stop it to it's 90% effective. It's 80% effective. When it turns out, actually, this study shows it was not effective at all. Right. What this study shows is a couple of things. The MRI vaccine technology could not target, could not, it's called addressing. So the idea is this. Initially, they were hopeful, we got a lot to talk about. Let's go back in time. They've been researching, mRNA technologies for decades. They've never been able to figure out what's called addressing.

That is, if you're going to deliver RNA sequences through fatty lipid particles, you need them to target specific cells so that they work, but they don't know how to do it. That's why they've never actually rolled this technology out, and they've been working on it since the 80s. So what happens is, initially they say, you get the vaccine in your arm, the vaccine stays in your arm, targets the muscles. The muscles will receive RNA, which programs them to produce spike protein. White blood cells will then attack those cells, destroy them, and create an immunity to the spike protein, which will, then when the coronavirus comes in your system, the white blood cells will see the spike proteins and attack them. The problem, they couldn't

actually guarantee addressing of the mRNA vaccine. What happened? The vaccine would spread through the body. One big outcome, according to Stanford, was that it would target heart muscle cells. And this would then cause heart muscle cells to produce spike protein, and then it would cause the body's immune system to attack heart cells resulting in myocarditis and paracarditis. According to Stanford, the rate at which we now know, men 30 and under received, Mayo and paracarditis was one in 16,750. That is not a rare side effect. Common side effects are called one in 300,000. That's common. So what is it when it's one in 16,000? So we were seeing a wave. Now here's the scary thing. Mayo and paracarditis are typically believed to shorten lifespan by about seven years on average per person.

So we saw massive amounts of this. I have family members personally affected by this. Now it gets scarier. Brian, this one's important for you with Nature.com. What they found was if the mRNA vaccine traveled out of the muscle, which it did in most people because they could not address it properly, if it got into the liver, it did the inverse and made you more likely to get COVID multiple times. When the MRI hit liver cells, it told the body to tolerate the spike protein. And thus, people kept getting COVID over and over.

Now, the crazy thing is, there was a conspiracy theory that people had, these people who are, these doctors who were called crazy whack jobs. Right. That if you got the vaccine, you were more likely to get COVID. and they said, that's insane. Now, they made the argument first, it was going to stop it, then they said it was 90% effective, 80%. Yeah. They were doctors saying, no, if you get this, you're going to get COVID more.

And they said, now that's just crazy. It may not stop it perfectly for everybody, but they said it would reduce the severity of symptoms. We now know, nature.com, this is a huge, huge study that freaked everybody out. If the mRNA went into your liver, you are going to get COVID more forever. Yeah, but that's Stanford study,

I believe that you are, referring to also said in that study that if you get COVID, you are 10 times more likely to get myocarditis. That is that is what they all. 100%. Now, combine it with this. You are more likely to get COVID if it affects your liver cells. Which now now, now, which is more likely to cause my own paracarditis. Here's what I would say in general terms, right? And I think we all could agree on this. Every vaccine that you take has its risks, perhaps some more than others. Completely agree. But we're talking about media. and government lying to the American people.

That's the part, bro. Well, again. That's the big part. Like, all the people that said, hey, I don't trust this thing. So many from doctors to our own government. You can't even participate. Can I just say something else? Like, you guys, let's throw the signs out the window.

Let's, let's, we're sitting here arguing hepatocyte detargeting. Like, what does it even mean? Let me just tell you a story. My wife and I went to Frederick, Maryland, to get some sushi. Now, the crazy thing is, we, so COVID starts, we're in Jersey. and I largely, you notice it a little bit, but I'm in the suburbs. So we have a backyard. I go outside.

When I want to go to Walmart across the street, we go to Walmart across street. There's weird lines, but for the most part, nothing's really going on. We end up moving out here. So, and this is like 2021, I think. It's crazy how long this went on. We go to get sushi. It is a very small sushi restaurant in Frederick. You walk up the side of the building up a ramp.

We walk in the front door. We're not wearing masks. And there is, right when you walk in, that the host stand, there is a table three feet next to us, and no one is wearing masks eating their food. And I walk up and I say, two, and then he goes, okay, and he grabs menus and goes, you need to put your masks on. And I said, nobody's wearing masks. And they're like, no, you have to wear a mask. And I said, I'm sorry, I don't understand, like, just us or like genuinely confused. And he was like, you have to wear a mask. And I said, can I just sit right down in this chair next to me

and not wear the mask. And then they were like, no, you have to put the mask on. And then I said, are you kidding me? And all of the staff went, no. And then I was like, we're leaving. How fucking retarded was this country? And this is the Democrat, this is the media. What is going on?

Guys, there was no one wearing masks sitting down, not a single person. And there was a chair next to me said, I will sit down right now. I don't want to put a mask on and take it up. What am I going to do like that? That makes literally no sense. That's the problem. This was psychotic. Psychotic.

And the fact that there is one side that doesn't seem to want to go, yeah, that was messed up. Like, we shouldn't have done that. I mean, I could give you examples of the other side as well. You're saying it's one side. For COVID? For COVID. For COVID. Did the government put chips in the vaccine?

Hold on. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. On the other side of USC. That's not an argument because nobody was mandating you would not get the vaccine because that chip. That is a private business while I disagree with their. No, no, no, stop. This was, this was, this was, this was unconstitutional mandate by executives in Frederick and Maryland. It was not a law.

I'm sorry, it was not a law and it wasn't a private business. The business didn't want to do this. They were forced to under duress by threat. And this is, this is what you've got to understand. This was executive, this was executive mandate, not law. This was a governor saying, do it or else. Kind of like a king. So here's my opinion on that.

First of all, I actually... Is it just wrong? I actually... Before we get into it, is that just wrong? I think it's wrong to attack people and businesses for being overcautious. No, no. I am not attacking the business. Hold on, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

I am not... I understand you're saying it's a law. I am not a law. It's not attacking a business. Who made the decision then? The governor... They put the weight on these. The governor of Maryland mandates.

Yeah. So this is what we saw. They said state of emergency. mandate. I am not blaming the business because the police threatened them. I am blaming the fascistic government that said do stupid things. You cow. California would shut down businesses. They would sit there and find businesses who didn't want to follow their COVID mandates and then tell them and then shut them down. And so then if they try to open up, they'll come back and go. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Do you remember? Do you remember there was a restaurant in California?

Yes, the guy who's parked in front of the house. There was a woman at her restaurant. She made a video. She said, they told us we can't allow people inside. So we set up tents outside in our parking line. And they said, you can't do that either. And then across the street, Hollywood production had craft services tents for their staff. Let me ask you both the question. It was insane. Let me ask you about the question to try to figure out where we stand here.

Because I think we can go to extremes on both sides. So during, hold on a second, let me ask you about the question. So at the time when the peak of this, when I think we were losing somewhere around 4 to 5,000 people a day, that was the peak. Do you think that would have been an appropriate time to have 60,000 people in a stadium watching a football game? not wearing masks, nothing. If they so choose. If they chose, yeah. Well, I disagree with it.

It's a choice. What was the death? What was the morbidity rate, mortality rate for COVID? Those who died in COVID. No, no, no, no. In general, what is the mortality rate? So obviously, these were usually older people, not younger people, people that were had comorbidity.

No, no. What was the mortality rate? I don't know. I don't have the exact stat in front of me. It was twice that of the flu. Yeah. Wasn't that zero? So zero point like zero three?

It was zero point two or three. I thought it was a lot more than that. No. And initially, we all did too. That's right there. That's the perfect thing. How many people? How many people?

How many people did we lose? Point three. How many people do we lose from the flu every year on average? Hold on. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Just get the facts straight. For the, I don't know what they call this. The age stratified, meaning if you are above a certain age or below a certain age,

the mortality rate was between less than 0.01 for people. under 40 upwards of 0.1. For those that were over 70, it was between 5 and 20 percent. Right. Right. So this was largely, largely a virus of the elderly. Well, that would be with the flu as well. And that would be in general with any sickness. If you're under the age of 40, you have a much better chance. By the way, the doctors told me, they said this to me when I was in the ICU. They said, Brian, if you weren't in your 30s, I think I was like somewhere around 40, late 30s, they said, told me, they said, if you were in your 60s, you would not have made it. I think that's rather obvious, right? Your immune system is going to be stronger.

So that doesn't surprise me at all. But this was a, let's just be clear here. This was a very deadly virus that killed millions. That's not the point. So just just real quick, Brian, the point was like when someone, anyone said opposite the narrative, you were cut out of polite society. That was the problem. That's it. I'm not saying that if somebody wanted, if you wanted to get shot up all day, dude, go ahead. If I go, you know what, I don't know if I trust this thing they just came out with last week. And they hadn't isolated the virus. Here's the point. Should I still be able to go to the movie theater?

If I want to, shouldn't Gavin Newsom not sit there and go, we're shutting you down? Shouldn't San Francisco not allow 74% of all-bron businesses? How many more people you think would have died? Never, never. How many more people you think would have died if everything was open? I don't know. Honestly, it probably been more like Sweden where they did hurt immunity and they let people be. And their death rate was completely plummet.

We had one of the worst death rates, correct me if I'm wrong, in the world per capita. Because we kept people away from the social. Son, vitamin D was a big fighter of this. And we told people to stay inside and cover your face and breathe into your own. It's not. I've maintained. That's insane. I've maintained.

I've maintained the same opinion that I always have, which is this. Infectious disease doctors, my personal physicians, while they're not always going to be right, I will certainly listen to those that have the medical experience, then idiots in the media, people that have no medical experience at all. It doesn't mean they're always going to be right. clearly there were mistakes made and by the way if you want to go toward politically mistakes that were made

and people that were saying things or using COVID press conferences and using them as campaign rallies I'm happy to go into that with you as well and Donald Trump's failings but I will say this there were a lot of mistakes made all over the world

including the United States we're not ready for a global pandemic a lot of mistakes were made a lot of lives were lost I think we all know somebody that died of COVID and it's tragic I don't I don't we know people and states we saw the results and decided not to follow that.

We saw what Sweden did and they came out with papers. It was the person who left it up to the states. Like, nah, it was Trump. No, no, no, no, that's not true. That's not true. You're wrong. Thomas Jefferson. I'm not kidding.

Had a couple of fact checks. The federal law doesn't have the ability to go in and tell a state how their executive is supposed to handle things like. Ian's fact checking. The doctor that I've mentioned earlier, the African-American physician that was banned across Dr. Stella Emmanuel. Is that the demons?

sperm doctor? I don't know. Yes, I believe. Is that the one who believed in demon sperm? Yeah, yeah. Very credible. Hopefully. The United States also did have the highest raw number of COVID deaths annually upwards of 900,000. Most of it was true. Yeah. Say that again. The United States had the highest raw number of COVID deaths globally surpassing 180,000 by 2020 of August and approaching 900,000 two years into the pandemic.

However, when adjusted for population, it was about equivalent to global deaths. We had more than China. Well, according to the numbers, China didn't really release information properly. Here's the question about that. How many, again, I would love for you to check out, how many had to revise that number of death because they were targeting multiple deaths? With the width. Yeah. There was a famous case in. You died. You got a motorcycle accident. Exactly. A motorcycle accident in Illinois. This was publicly stated by their chief medical officer and the governor.

They said, you need to understand that the listed COVID deaths are not from but with. And they explicitly stated a man died in a motorcycle crash. He tested positive for COVID. That is a COVID death. Well, again, if you want to talk about propaganda in the network that you've been on Fox News, Peter Navarro was just on Fox News the other day. and just blatantly said, quote, Dr. Fauci created COVID. Now. Yeah, didn't that come out in Tulsi Gabbard?

Now, but he did. Yeah, but he did. He's the one. And not, not, not totally, this was three years ago. Yeah, didn't he intentionally, the gain of function. Intentionally created this virus. You didn't know that. Well, listen.

Hold on, hold on, hold on. This is not three years ago. Yeah. This, this, this is testified by people working in, uh, NIH is? No. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm, am I'm not. An NIH. Should he go to jail? Should he go to jail?

No, because, okay, first of all, Fauci should go to jail for lying to Congress. That's been stated newsweek reported that. Years ago, this story was already confirmed. The U.S. was providing funding to the Wuhan coronavirus laboratory, which ultimately resulted in the creation of COVID. As a question of, did Fauci intentionally create what is called COVID-19 for the purpose of, no, no, no, no, they were doing gain of function. This is what we have definitively.

They were doing gain of function research. It resulted in the creation of various coronaviruses. One of them was accidentally leaked from that lab, which becomes COVID-19. This was intentionally created. Now, the question is, did they make a buy-up and to kill people? Was there a big conspiracy? We're not anywhere there. We're not anywhere there.

Where we are is Dr. Fauci oversaw NIH providing funding to eco-health and these other organizations, which were then helping to fund when. So it's circuitous. That is the language that is a little bit different than the language that tomorrow used on Fox News. Well, real quick. When Fauci was asked, and this is what I really, really love. I love this because it's just semantic retardation. When he was asked by Rand Paul, did you fund gain of function research?

Fauci goes, we did not fund gain of function research in Lujan. What we did was we brought in viruses and gained them functions. I'm not kidding. Imagine, imagine this. Literally, watch his statement. That's why people saying you should go to jail. Imagine if someone said, if you asked me, Tim, is there a door to this studio?

There's absolutely no door to the studio. What this studio has is a porthole with a wooden obstacle and a hinge that prevents it from being moved without someone activating a mechanical device. That's what Fauci did. He said, we didn't fund gain of function research. What we did was we fund the isolation of viruses through various species and then had those viruses be gained functions by reproducing those viruses. And Rand Paul was like, you are literally describing gain of function research. In fact, he held up a piece of paper that said, here's you in your paperwork saying you are funding gain of function research and women. And Foucher's like, I remember that.

And then Rand Paul campaigned off of that and fundraised off of it. I do remember that. And the DOJ can't do anything because Joe Biden pardoned that man for everything for 11 years. So here's a point. All the deaths you're talking about, whether he meant to do it or not, who's responsible? You think that he, while I'm asking you, you think he meant to do this? That's not the case. If he did, that's, again, let me clarify.

I would say, what is the purpose of creating a Frankenstein virus? I am not suggesting Foucho was like, I'm going to release this and kill millions. I'm saying, he was like, I'm going to make a virus that'll kill millions. Oh, crap, it got leaked. Right. There's a difference between I want to kill people and I want to get a virus. If you are responsible, if you create the thing and it kills millions, shouldn't we all call for that person to be held responsible? Or lying to Congress about it.

Right. Isn't that just a rational position? Depends on who the millions are. the H-bomb, we didn't put those guys in jail. They just killed the right millions. No, no, I like that. Who won the war, you know? They just killed the right millions.

I want to ask you a question. Yeah, but that one was... I knew we were going into this, obviously, talking about Donald Trump, right? And we're talking about the coronavirus. Yeah. I believe that what he did when he was in office, I give him probably an F, maybe a D-I-N-S.

What would you have done different? I wanted to pick your brain on that. What would he have done? So I'll... I'll list a number of things and mistakes that he made. Now, I mentioned the rallies he held, which I thought was inappropriate. And they knew it was inappropriate because that's why they were having people sign waivers because they didn't want to be sued. And people did die because of that.

When I was watching his coronavirus press conferences, and I believe probably we all were, right? We were all locked up there. Most of those press conferences were not giving people advice or telling people the seriousness of the virus, most of which he was just bitching and complaining about Joe Biden. It felt like a campaign rally at those, at the, Those press conferences. That's not what I saw. Well, that's not what you saw? I saw those.

He was like, hey, did you inject yourself with disinfectant? No, because he didn't say, tell me to go do that. What did he say? He didn't tell me to go do that. Ultra rays. He was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on, hold on. No, no, I just can't do this.

Brian, you really got to use Google before he say stuff like this. What did he say? There is a UV device that they put in your lungs that fries viruses and bacteria. And then he used the term disinfectant. And Trump is what I would describe as a soft. sausage fingers. So when he said, when they said, what were they talking about hydrogen bleach? They said the bleaching surfaces will kill these things and UVVRRR. He's like, I wonder if there's some kind of like light or just effect that maybe someone could

take internally or inject that would blast it. You see Dr. Berks and the look he was giving when he did not literally say, you should go out there and inject it into everybody. No, I didn't say. That was being facetious. And I remember, but I remember, I remember that press conference very, very well. But here's the funny thing. And then the next day, Tim, what do you say when he was asked about it? I don't know. No, I know. Hold on. You should Google it.

Okay. The next day he said he was just joking. Why would he say that? He was a sausage fingers. He was joking. Okay, no, no, no. That's very appropriate. No way.

Very appropriate. No, it wasn't. Nobody was laughing. Because he was trying to keep things calm instead of getting, oh, turned up like everybody on the left was joking. He said he was talking. He said it because he said it's bad at PR, okay? Because what he should have said was because he asked, he asked a, I would call it a half stupid question. I don't think it's stupid to ask a question when someone's talking about

UV light therapy and disinfectants. Can I respond to that? Let me finish this point. It's not stupid to say, is there a way we can use that inside the body? And someone can say two things. One, there are technologies that are being tested for throat viruses and lungs where they will put UV light to kill the on the surface. Donald Trump should have responded with, I was just asking a question. I don't know. Okay. So here's the stupid part. First of all, if he wants to ask that question, You don't do it at the press conference. You do it in private with Dr. Birx. That's number one.

Number two. That's not who he is. When he knows, he says something stupid or maybe I shouldn't have said that, what does he do? I was just joking. I agree. He sounds stupid. To your point. Okay.

To your point, he was just joking, you just said. There was not one person in that room that smiled, including Donald Trump. It wasn't meant as a joke. He said something stupid. Okay. Now, if we want to argue it wasn't stupid or there was nothing wrong. wrong with him saying that. Okay, fine. That wasn't a joke. That was lying. He was lying. He was literally, he was like pointing out that he was okay. Isn't this? So, okay, so, okay. So, okay, so

you know why he came and said it was a joke? Let's go with that. You know why he went and said it was a joke? Because low tease came out and started crying that he even wouldn't mention anything. Instead of taking a moment and go, you know what? That can't be real. I find this interesting. Hold on. I'm just going to move on from it. I find this interesting. What he does. He says crazy stuff. Have the quotes. Trump was right. Can I just, Trump was right. Trump was right. Let me respond. There you go. NIH.

I got it for you. Trump was right. Let me just. Let me just. So hold on. While you mock Trump, I will absolutely mock Trump for going. I was just joking. Shut up, Trump.

No, you weren't. That being said, wow, I just pulled this up from 20, from 2021 where they literally did application of UV light and critically ill patients with severe acute respiratory syndrome where they found that it did result in a reduction in respiratory SARS COVID-2 viral burden. So Trump is mocked and made fun of. And then instead of being, instead of just going, well, I was just, I'm not a doctor. I was asking a question. And or even having the appropriate advisors to say, Mr. President, this therapy does exist when it comes up, show them.

For it's five years later and libs are being like, ha, Trump, so dumb. They fucking did it. Okay. Well, I'd love to see the study on how COVID was cured from this. But going. No, no, no, no, no. Stop. UV light destroys virus and bacteria.

Yes. I understand that. It wasn't a cure for COVID. Like there's no overall understanding when it comes to Trump or Trump supporters. It's like endotracheal. This is wild. You say he says this directly and the way he said it, it's because he said it this way he said it. There's no like context.

I don't understand. I don't understand. That's the stuff that's wild. Let's let's, let's guys, guys. I want. Yes, UVC light effectively kills COVID. Of course. I could go on and I don't know.

He said it like that. But here's saying he said it like that and look at the response that I would love to look at look at the response to guy instead of going is that. Let me go look. It was like, you're crazy. And then Trump, because that's what I thought. And I heard him go. And then Trump being Trump, instead of being like, actually I was right about the whole thing,

he goes, no, I was joking. He wasn't right about the whole thing. Wave lengths between 200 and 280 nanometers damages the genetic material of the virus. I mean, here's a proof. Right. What happened dangerous for human beings? What happened when he mentioned Ivermectin and HCQ? What happened in the media?

No, no, no, hold on, on, on. Let me pause. Wait, wait, wait, wait. I'm sorry from the beginning. Yeah. TechCrunch ran a story that the French were investigating these of hydroxychloroquine to to treat the symptoms of COVID and reduce viral load. Donald Trump, this is what I love, a love, love, love.

And I mean that ironically, Trump would see something in the news, then say it, and then the news would immediately invert their position on it. TechCrunch ran the story because we covered it. And they said, they're investigating the use of hydroxychloroquine. I went, wow. Then a day later, Trump goes, you hear about this thing they're doing in France with the hydroxychoclachylin? Or whatever it's called. And then also the media goes, Trump's an idiot telling you to put fish cream.

cleaner in your body. There were a few people that died doing that. But that's not what he told. But hold on. Indeed there are many people who do dumb things. Did you know the story about the executive in Canada who ran full speed out of his window and fell to his death? Because he was trying to prove that his glass, his skyscraper

window was bulletproof. So when you come to me and say somebody ate fish cleaner, I'm going to be like yeah. And three women took a selfie in front of a train and the train hit them too. There are dumb people. There are absolutely what do we call these Darwin Awards? Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. There's a lot of people. Again, it goes back to, Brian, like, all I think a lot of us want on the right is. A kiss and a pat on the head from Trump. Yeah, that's it. That's it. That's it. All right.

Well, thank you for coming. I was going to be done. We got another. Go to bed. You want to kiss you on the phone. It's like, be fair. All right. Let's go.

That went down in COVID. There was clearly one side that couldn't say shit. Let's, let's move on from COVID. Lose your whole situation. I don't even know if it was inside. It was just a way of speaking. Let's move on. I just want to touch on the low T statement real quickly.

Well, okay, okay. Let's move on from the COVID stuff. I want to talk about something modern because we were trying to get to it and the COVID thing happened. Daria Liza Chevalier has a drink. What is that? Oh, I'm sorry. We mentioned her. Indeed.

She's a Dominican from Florida. I believe this. She converted to Islam. She has complained that brown men are, you know, seduced or whatever by colonize her women. she is C-U-A-D and NSJP have said they want to destroy America bring violence to America should she

be allowed to swear into Congress I think that should be disqualifying when you make a statement like that certainly I wouldn't vote for somebody like that I wouldn't want somebody representing me whether that should be put into law or not is another story I'm not so but just me my personal opinions

no I don't think she should be allowed to serve no I don't Brian Tim I completely agree with you buddy What do we do? Should the Republicans in Congress refuse to swear her in? I think so. I do.

I think it's disqualifying. Yeah, I think it's a statement like that. It's such to, it's disqualifying in a way. It's like, hey, should you. If you threaten the execution of six elected Democrats, I think that should be. Who called, who called for, what, treason for military? No, no, that's not what they did. Yes.

You know what was said in that video? What was said? What was said, hey, if there was a legal order, you cannot. Hey, make sure. What they said was, what they said was, what they said was, they said was, Nobody should listen to Trump because he's dumb. Yeah. Yeah.

And everyone should wage, wage rebellion against the United States. So basically, and then they all started dancing. Just like the, just like the, you know, the general, they go, so what's the legal, what's the legal order? So you're defending Trump with the state. When they were supposed to, when they're. Unreal. So actually, hold on, hold on. Wait, wait, wait.

Let's clarify a few points. They're playing games of words like the left like to do because I used to be on the left. What did he say? So I can understand that they like to play games. All right. Let's, let's pause for seconds. Let's pause for seconds. Let's pause.

Guys, Trump should not have said that these people deserve the death. penalty. He should not have, he said it was sedition. Military sedition does carry upwards. So I didn't know this at first. When the story came out, I said the penalty for sedition is not death. The penalty for treason is death and treason is providing aid and comfort to the enemy in a time of war. Sedition is trying to overthrow or destroy. Hold on, hold on. I don't understand that. So, so so, so. Can I just finish? Can I just finish? Sorry, go ahead. Because you're not going to like what's coming next. Because here we go. Military sedition. That is if you, if you have served or do serve, so I think

it's what UCMJ. Sedition. carry the penalty of death because it is considered much more egregious if you are in a position of military. Now, what those six Democrats did is explicitly illegal, but not anywhere near warranting a death penalty. That is, it is explicitly codified that if you instruct members of the military or federal law enforcement to question their orders, that is a crime. That's not specifically what they said. They didn't say question order. It doesn't matter. If you get an illegal order, law is on abide by an illegal order. If it's, if it's an illegal order.

Brian, we do not, contract law and criminal law do not exist under this idea of textualism. They exist under intent. So if you go to someone and say, do you have the thing? And they go, I have the thing. Do you want to trade a pinia collado for the thing? And you go, yes. And then you hand him a stack of money. They don't go, damn, he bought meth, but he was buying pinia colladas.

So we can't arrest him. They say the language you used had an intent. and the intent will be interpreted by this court, and we will ask a jury to make a determination. So let me just finish. When the intention of those Democrats explicitly was built around, there were billboards put up all over the country, telling people, and these were illegal too, saying, do not follow these orders explicitly. That is illegal. And there was a nonprofit doing it. When you have the media and everyone around saying, one, we call this the tweedle D, tweedled dumb death threat, the first thing that happened was a bunch of people, a bunch of Democrats came out and said, Trump,

Trump's orders are illegal. Right. Explicit. Then, after that was in the media cycle for a week, these Democrats came out and said, do not follow illegal orders. You cannot play a tweedledee, tweedled them defense. It doesn't work. The point is, the question of the court is, what was the intent of these politicians?

The intention was playing on the context that Trump's orders were illegal on billboards, on TV, on talk shows, was to tell ICE agents and Marines to defy their active orders. That's it. That's a crime. End of story. Now, the death penalty is not correct. Come on, man. Like, I feel like sometimes people act like they're not just like the reality of things.

Like they're sitting there and they're going out and you see billboards around. People are always saying everything is orders that he's putting out are unconstitutional. It's illegal. It's legal. Then you see the video. It's like, don't you like hear the music? They're all trying to paint a certain picture even if it's not true. Even if it's not true.

That's Donald Trump's entire life. not see it go down this direction? Like, how do we not see that? How do we not see when you have billboards, then you have, uh, later on a video comes up like this is, like, this is, like, how do you not, that? Okay, fine. I'll grant you that. How do you not see this, bro? How do you not see you not see when COVID? They were sitting there going, if you sit there and you go against the narrative, you're out of some polite society. How do you not see these things? How? How? I don't know, sit the music is going in this direction. You want to talk about, not being able to, how do we not do that? You want to be able to talk about not being able to

to see things. You want to talk about Donald Trump? I would like to do that with you. I'm talking to you. I'm talking ultimately to the people on the left and how they treated average people like myself in their career. I got to stress this. Hold on. Wait, wait, wait, wait, stop.

I got to bring this up. I got to bring this up because Brian, you are, is abject wrong. This is not what you signed up for.org. These billboards were all across the country. And this is, this is explicitly a crime. Wow. So here's what they did. They had billboards that said a couple of things.

One, they said, only obey lawful orders, and that's all, and that was, and then a link. Others said, are you loyal to the Constitution or to ICE? Because this is over National Guard and Marines working with ICE. Who put up those billboards? Private NGOs and PACs. Okay. It resulted in this. Now, hold on.

This is explicitly illegal. And by all means, I can say, where are they out with arrests? Instructing military members to use encrypted communications is a crime, one hundred, 100% not penalty of death, but this is overtly illegal. Look at this. Be sure to access resources outside the military or government computer. Why don't they throw it out in court when Donald Trump tried to go out legally? No, no, no, no, no, there's six Democrats specifically. Because we are in, because there are two countries that, there are two nations existing in the borders of this country. And there's something called venue selection. I think, I think you would agree that if, if it goes

before, if you have a proceeding in West Virginia, 86% Trump supporting, you are likely going to get a pro-Trump outcome. Do you know why Watson v. RNC, the lawsuit over mail-in votes, is happening in, I think it's Mississippi? Is it Mississippi? I think so, yeah. Do you know why it's happening there? No. This is a strategy put in place by Republicans to overturn California's laws. Right. But if you sue in California, you'll get California judges who will rule in their own favor and their own interests. So you target the federal issue in a Republican state with Republican federal judges, so you guarantee you get the outcome that you want. Right. Didn't they just sue the DOJ and a DOJ settle with him?

Who did? Oh, man. So let me put it like this. It was a group they sued them. And the DOJ was like, all right. So gave up because that's what they're. Watson v. R&C probably already came down by the time people are watching this. It may not have.

This could effectively end mail-in voting or in the broad sense. Likely just you will not be able to count votes after election day, which would mean Republicans would not have lost the 2018 midterms. With this ruling, in 2018, the Democrats ended up winning because two or three weeks after the election, late arriving ballots flipped it for the Democrats. If they rule in Watson v. RNC that you cannot do that, Democrats are not going to win this midterm. That's going to be nuts. They're not going to win for a lot of. My point ultimately is with, now I'm losing my train of thought, with this story, you have Democrats,

explicitly telling the military to question their orders, again, saying obey lawful orders is on the line. The court is going to interpret this on the intent, not on those statements. To the point of venue selection, they go to Mississippi to file this claim against Republicans because what they would do in California is they would refuse to appeal. They would intentionally throw the case so that they can do one of two things. They can get favorable judges to defend them, they don't want to go to the Supreme Court, so they might give a narrow ruling that you can't appeal or let it die. Trump has used this tactic. I forgot which case it was. We covered it, where there was two or three people filed a lawsuit against the federal government over something pertaining to the military. And the Trump administration went, you win, preventing their ability to appeal to the Supreme Court so they can't get a national level.

In general terms, obviously, there's a difference between questioning an order and believing that you're been asked by a superior for an unlawful order. If you're asked and you believe it's an unlawful order, it is your duty to speak to another superior to question that. If you believe it's an unlawful order, that's not a good way, wait, wait, wait, okay, let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. Do you think, let's say Ian and I are standing outside and there's a big, raucous mob screaming and smashing things. I scream to those people, we must kill all Nazis on site. And then Ian points at you and goes, he's a Nazi. So they run at you with pitchforks and Militavs and murder you.

Should Ian and I get in trouble for what we said individually? Well, it could be incitement. You could make the case that you incited something to happen. It's possible. Well, it's not because legally, hold on, legally I created no imminent threat. So the law for speech becoming incitement is when you say, I want you to do this thing at time. So go do this now. I didn't say that.

I said, we must kill Nazis. Ian then pointed you and said, you're a Nazi. Neither of us told them to do it. I think it's a gray area. We call it the tweedle-de-tweedled-d-de-dweil-downs. It's a gray area. Listen, I don't know how much time we have left here because I know we were going to debate

a little bit about Trump's 18 months. I think that's what we agreed to do a little bit. Oh, yeah, yeah. If that's okay, I don't know if that's if we could. Let's just go for it. Yeah. So there's two parts for me when it comes to Donald Trump. Number one's personal.

Number two is policy, right? You know, and I vote a little bit differently than maybe some do. I think if you're if you've lived a chaotic life, you're probably going to be a chaotic president. So we can start with the personal stuff and maybe then go to, not you and me, I'm talking about Trump and then go and then go to. We're doing that after the camera go off.

No, I think you're a nice guy. But and then maybe go to some policy stuff because we don't have a lot of time left. You have kids. I'm wondering how you can vote for a man. Right. With his personal stuff, the cheating, the lying,

everything. That's the best part. Stuff that he says. He's an athlete. It's an alpha. Yeah. Well, I think he's a liable sexual abuse, for example. The, you know, attacking Gold Star families, the John McCain statement, which I thought was.

I don't believe you actually believe that sexual assault claim against Trump. Eging Carroll, you're talking about it. Yeah. You know what? Let me just say this. You know how I know you don't actually believe it? Because I saw you lay down the second nuts yesterday to a guy who had, you had a queen high flush against the key poker player. So hold on, hold on, hold on.

And this is funny, but it matters. This is a, this was a, this is a, this is a magical laid down. I made a professional aid down. He's got, it went runner-runner, meaning like, extremely hard for the, for two diamonds to come out on the turn in the river. So it's very unlikely. He has the second best possible hand. And the other's got the best possible hand, which is flush over flush is extremely rare. Samely rare hand, yeah.

And he literally said, I know what you have. You would never do this. You've got the nuts. He shows the queen high flush. And then he's like, I'm laying this down. and the guy was like, you were right, and he flips over the king high flush. The ace is on the board.

So how could you see through? My point is this. And I've watched you make similar hands, seeing through the obvious deceptions and plays. You've made good folds. You've made excellent calls. And then in the EG Carroll thing, you're just like, I just believe this one.

By the way, on a side note, I lost a bet to Tim and he's making me wear, well, he's not making me, wear a Donald Trump hat, and he's putting me in the World Series of Pokers. He's got to wear a mega hat one place. For 10 grand. At least we start at 10 grand.

I'm glad you brought. that up because now you made my point for me. Oh, yeah. In poker, we have something called a read, okay? It's history. No, no, no, hold on. Hear me on this, Tim. You appreciate this. So the read on this individual was, he's a tight player,

he's not a foolish player, he's not going to be betting with a crazy hand. I think he's a pretty good player. He's a tight player. Here's my read on Donald Trump. It's a poker read. He has all these women that have accused him of rape or sexual assault. He's a womanizer, okay? His own ex-wife in court documents in a deposition

said that he raped her, and then she dropped it when he paid her off. Hold on. The poker player, hold on, hold on, hear me out. 30 seconds. The poker player has a history, okay? This wasn't somebody who I just sat down at the table with and I don't know anything about him. If that was the case, I make that call. Donald Trump, this isn't just somebody that randomly a woman said, hey, he raped me 30 years ago. No, this is a guy who has a history of womanizing. It's my read. It's my read on Donald Trump. I'm going to say this. Can I...

Real quick. Does that not make sense? I want people to understand this. Like, does that not make sense, Tim? But let me just say this. For people who don't play poker, they need to understand how good of a laydown that was. And this is why I don't believe you. This is why I don't believe you.

I want to explain some things. So first... Not bluffing, Tim. I'm not bluffing. So hold on, hold on. On the flop, there's already a straight present. There are sets. So it was six, it was six, four, three on the flop.

Correct. With one diamond. The turn is an ace. Diamonds. So this means, Ace of Diamonds. I have the second nut flushtra. So this is what this means. Someone could have pocket sixes for a set.

They could have six, fours, it was a limp pot, meaning, tons of players are in. There are so many hands that might actually try and make a heavy play by jamming. So to fold the second nuts where you could be looking at, you could be looking at two pair with an ace combo. You could be looking at someone who had a straight, but now doesn't believe the other guy's got the flush. The point is, when it comes to two players,

and you're mentioning their play history. When you were good at poker, you also recognize their play history includes trying to manipulate you based on their play history. That is. By all means, you can say that Trump did everything you accuse him of in terms of, you know, rape, history.

And that history. But the E. Jean Carroll case is like watching a guy, like, well, I'm not going to get, I don't want to get too esoteric with poker so people understand. But the E. Jean Carroll case is, it doesn't make sense.

It just doesn't add up. This would be where you would have an ace high. So, real quick, my point is this. To use a little poker analogy. The EG. and Carroll case, with everything she described it and how she outlined it, she was wearing a dress that didn't exist. She didn't roll on. She was wearing a dress that didn't exist.

No one saw them, the most famous men in New York go to the sixth floor of a building. They somehow found an unlocked room even though they're all locked. Like nobody stopped them on the way there. It changed a law to be able to bring the case. And that, too, none of that adds up in a traditional poker game, and I know you would do this. It's the moment where you hero call with Ace 4 off suit because you know he's got 6-7 and he missed his straight draw. He's got junk. That's the E. Gene Carroll case.

Now, by all means, a coup of everything else. But this case is insane. And yes, that was a world-class laydown. Thank you for mentioning it. But I appreciate that, Mr. Poole. All right. I was surprised. I was like, wow.

Well, I'm a second and nuts. I'm a good poker player. Tim's actually a pretty good poker player, too. It's fun playing poker with Tim. But real quickly, and that was true, by the way. I will be wearing a MAGA hat in the main... I got them, boys. I cannot believe I'm going to be doing this.

And aren't I wearing a shirt? You know what, you know what, Brian? Well, no, that's your choice. You know what, Brian, like, that says something more about your character, that it's, even though you see the videos out there. I have a lot of friends. Anybody who knows me can attest to this. I have a lot of friends on the right.

But here's the other thing, too. Let's be, let's be... That's the difference between, I think, even you holding these positions and how I've even interact with some. some people personally that I know who go, Maga Head. Right? We got it, boys.

I got George Santos a paid gig last week. Right, right, right, right, right. Money in people's pocket. But I want to be, in all, in all honesty. Yeah, you're right about Trump. What's going on? We all know that forcing Brian to wear a mag hat actually is going to generate a lot of buzz.

I know. You know, it's going to be hilarious. He's a smart media guy. We got them. I ask you about each other. And then the last point is he's going to wear the mag hat and the left is going to go after him like crazy. Oh, they go after me because I was criticizing.

Merris last month and I said if she runs again we're fucked sorry excuse my language but I was called a racist for that but anyway um you do the Eugen Carroll thing real quickly and I know we're not you know we're not really going back into that case too much here but uh Eging Carol had the dress that she was wearing that she claimed that she was wearing uh and that dress did not exist Donald Trump refused to take a DNA test why if he's gonna hold on no no no no that because this is America I got I got a pause because there's a procedural argument against the you should just submit. Right. So I'll give you, I'll give you, I'll give you the really generic example is if you have nothing to hide, why don't, why don't you just let them, you know, spy on you or read?

So the very simple argument, surface level, we can talk specifics on the DNA stuff, but the surface level is this. When there's a guy named Maxie Marlin Spike who I interviewed about, I think he started Signal actually. And the question is, if you've done nothing wrong, you've nothing to hide, what are you worried about? And he said, the problem is there are many things. that we as a culture believe should be legal but are illegal. And he says marijuana is a really good example. At the time I interviewed me, he said marijuana is rapidly becoming legal across the country, but how would people know they wanted it to be legal unless they were doing something illegal?

And so the government is procedural. It does not care what you did or why you did it. They will just say, if we can find the crime, we're going to put you in prison for it. So we cannot live in a society that forces people to capitulate to the demands of surveillance, or evidence gathering if you've done nothing wrong. The burden has to be on the other party to prove it. I know it's a liable case and it's not a criminal case and I get all that. You cannot force a person to submit to your accusations against them.

I didn't say that. I didn't say that. I'm not saying you. I'm saying this is the argument presented. I understand. But when it comes to Trump, that dress did not exist at the time of the allegations and they were trying to use it to get a DNA sample against Trump. The most honorable thing Trump should and could do is deny and refuse to be submitted to a DNA test. over an accusation that is dubious. Quickly, the point that I was making earlier, let's just say for argument's sake, you're right. I don't agree. I actually do think it did happen.

I'm telling you the truth. But let's just say for argument's sake it didn't, and Eugen Carroll's a liar. I look at the man's history. So you wanted to go down the light of light. I look at the womanizing. I look at rod-dogging a porn star. Now let's pause real quick.

$130,000. Cheating on everyone who's ever been with, bragging about going into teenage girls' locker and pageant without their permission on the hour or something. There was a reason why. It was a pageant. It was a room in a pageant that he ran. It was a room in a pageant that he ran.

So you're allowed to go on there when they're half naked and you're okay with that? And brag about it sexually on the Howard Stern show? You have kids, man. You should actually pull up the clip because it's not. How you put them together is. Brother, are we laughing and joking about you? You're going to ask the question. Okay, guys, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Are we, like, I think any point made about the Howard Stern show is instantly just disqualifying. There were three women that were interviewed that said that that, That's exactly what happened. Howard Stern's show. They were half naked and he walked in. Okay, Howard Stern's show is intentionally meant to be lewd, lesibious, and antagonistic. Gross. And so people go on there and say the craziest things.

I just say we, the Howard Stern show isn't before that or even like things done. The women that were interviewed, were they disqualifying when they actually on the Howard Stern show. Yep. No. They were not on the Howard Stern show. No, no, no. I'm not talking about those interviews. And I'm talking about that incident.

If you want to throw away the Howard Stern show, that's one thing. But there are women that can. that that did happen. That's fine. The argument we're having right now is you mentioned that Trump went on the Howard Stern show and said things. Bro, Howard Stern, what did you do? Like launch hot dogs at women's tits? Yeah, but that doesn't mean that it's meant to be insane.

But it doesn't mean that what people say is automatically untrue. They may be. No, but it's not credible. All right. What would you say about a guy who says he doesn't respect somebody because they were captured in John McCain? What did you think about that statement? I didn't really care to me.

You don't care. I thought that was a- You don't care? This is a guy who was five years. You know why? You know why? He was tortured for five years. And he's not, you don't care?

Can I tell you why? Because the things that I heard about what he was doing while he was tortured and how he had connections with the people. He didn't want to leave his people behind. What he had connections with the camp and how he let other people go through more situations. The guy dodged the military five times and you're okay with him shitting on someone who was a F.O.W. No one. I didn't say I was okay with it.

I said I don't care. No one cares. Well, I do. Great. There's a lot of people in the military. I tell you why I decided to vote for him over Kamala Harris or anyone else? Does any of this stuff bother you at all? Can I tell you?

Can I tell you why? I want to hear you. But I just... Can I tell you why? I know, but I just want you... Because Trump is not my God. Trump is a part of policies. The left has killed more people that look like me in the womb than World War II.

Hold on. Hold on. Then in the womb, his policies of pro-life actually helps. His policy... Yeah, oh, geez. Baby's dying. Oh, my God. 13% of the population actually six doing 40% of the killing of babies, brother.

That's a big deal to me. The fact that I'm a Christian with kids and want my religious to be out there. That's why. So it's not just about Donald Trump because I don't worship a man. We don't worship men. On the left, they worship Obama. They worshipped Biden. And then they tried to worship Kamala, but it wouldn't carry.

Let me respond about that. No, wait. You put up your whole thing. I'm going to tell you why over and over and over. I want less government in my life. The biggest reason is because I lived for four years under Biden. Sid took my shit that was in my house. without charging me. I couldn't fly even to come on his show twice. I couldn't fly

without people following me. That's why I didn't vote for them even though you can go down the list of how Trump is this. They were coming after me. They were killing babies. They were promoting death in a community that needs help. They're not sitting there having the dumbest people in their public schools because they've been sitting there lines to them about everything's racist. Now everybody you want to talk California in Chicago where I'm from in New York all these people are dumb. We lost generations of young men and young boys and young girls to this dumb thing. That's why I didn't vote for the left.

And that's why I voted for Donald Trump. I can raise my voice too. And I can tell you. Yeah, you do. You do. You do. So let me respond. And the fact that this guy, he's not my master.

He's not my God. You're done. Spurging out. It's working out. It's great. May I respond? Please go ahead. Half the time that you just spurged out.

Go ahead. For the men and a half. Whoa. Whoa. Spurge is a slurge. Hold on a second. So first of all, let me start by saying this. Okay.

You're anti. anti-abortion. Okay, I don't call it, I don't call it pro-life. I call it anti-abortion. But if we're going to talk- It's pro-life because they're killing life, bro. They're killing life. I don't play about that shit. I don't play about. So, you know what? Let me talk now. Here's what I don't play about. Taking health care away from millions of Americans, taking food. How do you take, how are you taking it away? Are you taking health care away? Are you going to stop interrupting me, dude? Are you taking away? Let him finish. Every other word, you're interrupting me, bro. Right now, right now, because I'm tired of waiting. Well, guess what? Stop talking and let me finish now. You can have your

spurg out again about talking about abortion. That's fine. I disagree with you. They take away food stamps from millions of Americans. He takes away health care from Americans. It seems to me very interesting that after the baby is born, he's against maternity leave. After the baby is born, you're against all these government programs that can help poor people. I don't want bigger governments. I don't care about that. I don't want bigger governments. You've made it very clear. Yes, I don't about that. So your point doesn't matter. You voted for the left. I'll take my hat off too.

You voted for the left. I'll take my head. Good, we're both boiled, but we have to do with these. I don't care about those things because those are bigger government. At the end of the day, everything you're talking about, he's putting people to rely on it. It doesn't matter. Okay, wait, wait, wait, okay, hold on, on, no, because he started with, how did you vote for this guy who I'm gonna list? And I go, you know why?

Because of these things. Okay, brother, brother. Bring back up, I have, from the left. I don't care about another. He's got, he's got to be able to say. It doesn't matter from my point that I made based on me going, why'd you vote for him? Dude, you got to let me finish. I've talked for like 10 seconds, dude, okay?

There are a lot of government programs out there for talking about policy that Donald Trump is taken away from Americans. The biggest tax breaks for the top 1%. If you care about poor people and people that are living paycheck to paycheck, look at where the economy is at right now. He promised that he would lower all our prices on day one. By the way, this is pro-life, right? No, he didn't.

On day one, it did. Let me finish. On day one, he did. No, from the time that he took office. Are you going to like, okay, okay. I've got something I'm trying to say, but I can't until he finishes. Please. 30 seconds, if you want to talk about the economy, okay?

Based on almost every metric from the time Donald Trump took office to right now, inflation was up 0.6%. It's 4.2%. It was 3% when he took office. He said he was going to end the war in Ukraine in 24 hours. All I have to do is pick up the phone. There are still people dying. The war is still going on Ukraine.

He said he was going to be a peace president. He said he wasn't going to start a war. How the fuck did that work out? Look at this mess in Iran right now in the straight of Hormuz. It's open. It's closed. It's open. It's closed. So I want consistency from you. I will respect your opinion when it comes to abortion. We can have a decent conversation about abortion and what I think maybe we can do to work together.

But if you care so much about that topic, you should all care about innocent people that are dying. They don't have access to health care. They don't have access to food stamps and government programs. can help these people live. So I want you to have that same passion after the baby is born, not just before the baby is born, because you're a hypocrite.

No, here's the thing. I don't think those things work. Why? Because I actually live in those communities, homie. I watched that shit tear people down for decades. So you want more programs,

more government programs that have been destroying the black community? That's what you're sitting. You're screaming at me about. What I've watched? It not work. The health care doesn't work for them like that. Yes, it does, dude.

What are you talking about? What are you talking about? What are the government run health care. Number one has been, is inflated the price of it away. What are they supposed to do? Who took it away? They didn't vote for his, his, for the Obamacare. They didn't vote for it. Donald Trump did not take it away from his health care plan. Donald Trump did not take it away. What is his replacement plan? They didn't vote for it. They didn't vote for it. They didn't vote for it. They didn't vote for it. He said it in his first debate back in 2016. Where is it? In 2016. He hasn't presented it's anybody. Okay, so what do you want me to go and get it for? No, I want you to admit that the guy that you voted for is a moron. He said. He said it in the first debate back in 2016. Do you know what he said? What did he say? He said what we should do that the government doesn't want to do.

It goes, we should put it on the open market and let the market decide. That's all it is. But these guys won't vote for it because it puts money into the government's pocket. You're wrong. What are you talking about? He collects more taxes. He hasn't presented a plan to the American people in 10 years. Ian, what do we do?

He said in his first debate. I'm having the time of my life, dude. I want to go another hour. We're not in a rush. You're talking about you go, why do he give him the health care? He didn't, he had not. nothing to do with them voting. That's the plan.

The free market is the plan. You sit there, you go put them on more government programs. We literally have watched communities. Where's the plan? Go to the crap because of these government programs. And you're screaming for more of it? Are you insane? The first big government program destroyed the black family.

But you want more of that? You want them to sit there and go get soda. Medicaid destroys the black family. What the hell are you talking about? Are you listening? The first government program that they were given, which was called the welfare program, me that destroyed the black family.

That's what we're seeing right now. That's what we're seeing. And then you want to give these obese individuals who have lower education. First of all, more crap food. Those are the people who voted for Donald Trump. More crap food. I agree.

The black community voted for Donald Trump at an 85%. Oh, I think, 85%. No, I understand that. And they're in the squalor. They're at the bottom of the barrel. But you're saying to partner up with the left. You're saying that health care destroys the black, black families?

Government run health care does like the rest of the barrel. Where is the replacement plan? You haven't given me an answer. I did. Oh, my God. Did you not hear me say something? Where is it? Where can I find it? Hold on.

Hold on. Wait, wait, wait, wait. You hear me say it? Where can I find his plan on the internet right now? I kind of want, where can I find the clarity to. So you said that he has concepts of a plan. You said that that welfare destroyed the black. Explain an example of what that means.

Yeah, man. They started to incentivize the, I can't even get the word out, incentivize the women to not have the men in the homes in order to receive money. And the more kids they had, the more money they were in. it without the man being in a home. The home is the first form of government. If you don't have the father, who is the leader, be there. Now, it's run by those who shouldn't be running the home on their own.

Now, this is not the same thing as situations. The guy leaves, he dies or anything like that. They literally, the government came in, and now the government has become the father. I know police officers in Chicago and LA, they get called by single moms all the time because the dad isn't there to rear the children. That has been a problem for 60 plus years. And all I hear you screaming and those on the left is more of the same. as if we're not looking and going, hold on.

If we're not looking and going, you just said more government programs than food stamps. Bro, bro, bro. Bro, bro. I understand that these policies haven't worked for the black community. I understand that the black family has been destroyed. But when will you learn to shut up and do as you're told? Welcome to my life, brother.

Now, regarding the food stamp thing, you said he took people off food stamps. I've heard that they've made it so like Pepsi isn't on food stamps. When we're wrapping up for sure. Unless you guys want to go for another. Two hours because it's a Friday night. We party. It's a Friday night, dude.

Let's play. Let me just speak in general terms. As we know, where the economy is at right now in most metrics, this is the point that I was trying to make. We are worse off now than we were a year and a half ago. We can talk about GDP growth. We could talk about the Dow Jones and the SP 500. There's a lot of different metrics that we can go through.

We can talk about inflation and in prices. As I mentioned, 4.2%. It was 3%. Hold on a second. But the point I'm trying to make is, you know, and the GDP, which I had mentioned, the point I'm trying to make is we are worse off now economically than we were a year and a half ago. Now, do I think it's great when people are on welfare? No, I think most people would tell you they'd like to be working.

What I don't want in a society, do you remember the delivery driver, the food delivery grandma who went to the White House? You know, I don't want that grandmother to have to work two or three jobs. I don't want to live in a country where that woman has to work two or three jobs to try to save her husband's life, dying of cancer. I don't need it. And the problem we have right now, yes, a lot of people are struggling. I know. I want people to have access to government programs, especially now, to help them. Hold on, hold on. Let me just land my plane here. So, so, so I took my hat off. I can't believe I did that. Hey! So had a character. He got me to take my hat off. Listen, the bottom line is, when we get into a war, all of a sudden, $2 billion a day,

we can just print money for a war. Republicans have no problem printing money for a war, yet we give the biggest tax breaks to the top 1%. And then the people that, as you said, are on the bottom of the barrel. I want those people to succeed. I would assume you do too. And yes, I don't want them to be on government programs their entire life. But when you have a diabetic that needs to get insulin, okay? Donald Trump signed an executive order.

Barack Obama, or I'm sorry, Joe Biden, now I'm forgetting presidents. Biden allowed under Plan B and Plan D of your medical coverage is millions of Americans getting insulin capped at $35. Day one, Donald Trump signs an executive order. abolishes it, okay? The problem I have is I want people in this country and one of the richest countries in the world to be able to afford health care. Forty-nine percent of people right now that are working. Forty-nine percent of people can't afford the health care that they are offered. And I think it's something around 36 or 37 percent of people that are working. These are

not lazy people, aren't even offered health care. So the point I was trying to make to you is this. We've heard for 10 years, I'm going to have a plan in two weeks in a month. We heard it in Donald Trump's first administration. By the way, Trump got us $8.2 trillion in debt his first go around. If you want to talk about fiscal responsibility, it ain't Republicans and it's not Donald Trump. And I'm not saying Democrats are perfect either. I never said they were perfect. But Trump, Republicans get us more in debt if we're talking about our debt. I want struggling Americans to be able to have a safety net and I have no problem paying taxes so that they have that safety net. Do I want people on welfare their whole life? Of course I don't. Are there going to be a small percentage of people that

are going to take advantage of Medicaid. Of course there are. But that doesn't mean I don't want those people having access. Trump has said a plan is coming. You can say all you want to that he said this, this, and this. The bottom line is there has not been a replacement plan that has been shown to politicians in D.C. He doesn't have a plan.

Do you think that part of the reason why health care, much like the college system, once government got involved, inflated the prices. And this goes back into the hand of government. So a lot of those politicians... I don't disagree with that. So both right and left, when this guy said on that debate stage, we just put it on the open market, the first thing I said in 2016 was they're going to try to kill him.

And what have we seen since? I would argue with no evidence that both sides do not want government health care to move away from government because they've been making money off it. That's my argument. that? That's where, Abe, Obama. You can disagree with Obamacare. There's a lot of Americans that don't like it. That's fine. It's a plan that is not perfect. However, I want a replacement plan. You have kids, right? If your kid came up to you and said, Dad, I have a problem. This is going on, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. As a responsible father, you would say, okay, let's come up with a

solution. Right. Okay. Donald Trump is the president of the United States. Even when he was out of office, he could have brought people together and said, let's actually come up with a replacement. plan. Let's present it to the American people. Let's present it to Congress. And let's see what they think. I would argue. He hasn't done that. Honestly, I would argue again that the government on this subject, just like college, there is no will, just like the Save America Act on both sides. Because I think it benefits. Honestly, I think it benefits. There's probably a cure to cancer, right? There's probably a cure for diabetes right now. I've had no will. There's a lot of money involved in this industry. That's, that's, I think, I know. I agree. We have a lot of problems in this country.

Wait, wait, hold on. I agree. Everyone's voices came down, smiling at each other. I almost threw my hat at him, but I didn't. Yeah, I would have caught it, though. I mean, working on my reflex. You know, the thing with the debate shows is that, obviously, I don't know why people get so upset with me. I'm always so calm.

There's never going to be a conclusion any of the debates other than we're out of time. Damn it. And so, but thanks to everybody who hung out for this passionate, heated and entertaining Friday special. You got me spitting a day, bro. Spitting everywhere, yelling. That's a salt. It is. Battery, actually.

I gotta show you guys. Next time you see us, I'll be wearing a Trump hat at the World Series of Parker with Tim Bulls. And I'll be taking a selfie with him next to him and all like it's- Indeed, my friends. But, you know, the only way to really wrap things up is just say, thanks for hanging out.

We're out of time for this show. Smash a like button, share the show with everyone. You can follow me on Axon Instagram at Timcast. We've got that, we'll play the trailer for you in a second. But before we play, since we're running low on time, I brought some gifts. Oh, okay.

I brought some gifts. Well, let's have everybody go around and then we'll give you the final spot. So shout it out. What do you got to say? I'm always fun doing the show. Always appreciate it. And I can't wait to hang out in Vegas.

And my name's Brian Shapiro. I've been called Lepricon, among other things. And Ben. Yeah, I've been called Lion Crying Brian is another one. No, no, but you can call me that when I saw that. That's where I heard on this video. Ryan, Brian, yeah. Lion Crying Brian.

At PTL radio show on YouTube, the Pushing the Limits Facebook band page. And I do a show Monday through Friday, noon to two, Pacific Standard Time. YouTube and Facebook, and I have a new substack, pushing the limits and then the number one. And always fun kicking it back with you guys and having a good time. I live for this. Thank you for coming. Thank you for having me, everyone. This is wonderful, good time.

It's so cool. Look at this guy. He's just a cool guy. Look at them. Look like a rock star, man. I'll take it. Keep it easy, baby. Did you imagine if Phil was here today?

Oh, my God. That would have been like, yeah, it would have been great. It would have been playing. We would have been double team. When you guys got hit. Yeah. Siaka Massqua, follow me on Instagram, X, and where's there, just one more, YouTube at Siaka underscore Massqua or underscore Seaka Massqua. Thank you guys always for being here, and actually it was enjoyable because Brian is not as crazy on camera as camera as camera as has to go on a well a few times.

He's not as crazy off as he is on. I think he meant what he said. Hold on, that's a lie. He's not as crazy or off camera than no. He's right. Both of you, that's a lie. First of all, Ian, you saw me at the UFC fight interviewing people. I was crazy.

I've seen you at your past. Yes, yes, yes. Tim has seen me lose poker hands. It's true. And then they told him his Phil Helmuth is perfect. They were like, wow. But I will stress, before the show starts, Brian's like, how far should I go? I think people need to understand this.

Like, if it's, I wouldn't call it that he's being fake. It's that he's willing to be more polite if you request that he'd be. Well, it's his show. It's Tim show. I found that there's like personas too. Like we're people, but we also have a persona and a role to play when the TV's on, which... Like, people don't know this about me, but I'm actually Chinese, and I normally speak with Chinese accent. I talk right this outside.

That's true. I don't talk about anything out. But also, this right here... I'm going to do that next person who walks up to me and says they know me, I'm going to do a Chinese ex. This right here is honestly going back to the 2020 real quick. This right here is what I was wishing we did more of because they just shut it down. That's my point. But last thing before I go, you guys, I helped produce one Daily Wire's newest movie.

called Run, Hide, Fight, Infidels. Think you got some crazy Islamic terrorists decide to take over a college campus. And, you know, we got some action-packed stuff happening. It's like die hard on the college campus. So, I brought hats for everyone. Nice.

Oh, I'll definitely wear this. Except for Brian, because I knew he wouldn't like it. But no, just kidding. I had to give one. And Brian, I think you're going to like this movie because we actually have, and I just watched it recently, we have nothing but 90s music all over. I love alternative.

Oh, yeah. It was playing and you were telling it in the van. I go, you want to play the trailer? By the way, you're the only person probably in like, I don't know, I feel like I've only done it one other time the last 10 years where I took my hat off. That's what I do. Didn't I tell you? I kind of know how to discern people.

The only person who's ever given Brian a gift, actually. That's true. That wasn't herpes? No, I was like, ah! You got to unmute it. The tab itself. Yeah. We got it.

We got a trailer. Let's say it. If you lie in the bed, you might get herpes. A terror warning in northern Virginia. Radicalism has designs openly on the, The FBI awarded a terror plot on New Year's Eve.

Violence attack over the Halloween weekend in Michigan. Protests on college campus is showing no signs of stopping. And you may even recognize a sheriff getting shot somewhere in the movies.

So it's a pro-Muslim movie that is a Oh yeah. Yeah, it starts we open up the Quran and start with... Man, you know, you know what I'm excited for is Spider-Man. I'm excited for Spider-Man. Spider-Man.

Yeah. All right. You're not excited for, you're not excited for one high fight. Come on, brother. All right, everybody, it's been fun. Thank all so much for hanging out. Enjoy a burger, hot dog, or a slice of pizza on me. Have a beer with the friends.

If you're old enough to have a beer with the friends, hang out your family, have a good time. Thanks for hanging out. And we'll be back on Monday, and we'll see y'all then.