Timcast IRL - Sunday Uncensored: Aaron Mate Members Only Podcast

Episode Date: November 19, 2023

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Welcome to our special weekend show, Sunday Uncensored. Every week we produce four uncensored episodes of the TimCast IRL podcast exclusively at TimCast.com and we're going to bring you the most important for our weekend show. If you want to check out more segments just like this, become a member at TimCast.com. Now enjoy the show. Hey guys, Loudoun County High School students walk out of class over transgender bathrooms Now, enjoy the show. Hey, guys. Loudoun County High School students walk out of class over transgender bathrooms as furious kids demand male and female-only spaces due to massive safety risk. A group of 50 to 100 students at Woodgrove High School in Purcellville, Virginia,

walked out of class on Wednesday in protest at trans bathroom policies. This Loudoun County School District in 2021 voted for non-binary, gender-fluid, and trans students to use the school bathrooms and locker rooms of their choice. The students on Wednesday demanded the overturn of the policy. They were met by a small group of counter-protesters insisting that the existing policy should stay in place. And do you know who the counter-protesters were? Who were the counter-protesters in place. And you know, the protest counter protesters were who were the counter protesters staff. They were the teachers. They were the teachers who are so perverted that they want to make sure that all the girls are forced to wash their hands after their periods in front of

boys in the, in the bathroom. I, uh, I don't gush when I meet celebrities or anything like that. It doesn't really mean anything to me. I have this really cool Billy Corgan story. Apparently he tells the similar story too,

because he, so I'm a big fan. Billy, everybody knows he's been like on InfoWars way back in the day. I don't want to speak too much to his work or whatever, because he's a music guy, not a politics guy. But this past weekend, I got to meet one of the moms of one of the students who helped lead this protest.

And I was just I was I was I was so excited. I was so excited because that is so amazing to me that there are people who are who are standing up for what they believe in, whose teenage kids are doing it, who are speaking out in fear that they could lose their jobs and all of this stuff. The courage is, it was, I was honored to have met a person who, despite their fears of losing their job and all of this, were willing to speak out, proud of their family, of their kids for what they were doing. So that was really awesome. And let this be the kickoff to one of the big reasons why I think schools are awful. And we should totally get rid of all of them.

And it really is simple. It is industrialized, institutionalized learning facilities that treats people like products and cogs in a machine. School is prison. I think it was Michael Malice who said that. Schools are effectively prisons, especially modern high schools in cities where you go in, the doors are all locked, and you have to go through a metal detector and if you leave the cops arrest you that's not getting party hard by andrew wk if you are me like a school cell

a penitentiary a jail i'm i'm uh 15 years old my friends and i mostly not me but one of one of our friends was a rollerblader went door- door to door to raise money to get a skate park built at our local park. All the kids would hang out there and skate every day, and it would damage the planters. They're made of plastic. They're recycled garbage bags into the park planters, but they're so perfect for skateboarding. So we would all skate there every day, and it was awesome. We would do our tricks, and they didn't like it. So this kid raised the money to build a skate park. Well, I wasn't in high school. I had dropped out.

I was doing homeschooling, a correspondence thing for the most part. Never finished. And when me and my brother went to the park to skate at the park that we helped. And I'm not saying we did the most. Someone else did all the heavy lifting. But we were a component of it. They kicked us out. Who was they?

The park administrator said, you can't skate here and i said why and he goes because you're because you're supposed to be in school and i'm like we are we we're not truants we have a correspondence program we're doing so we're just outside and they're like yeah well you being here is going to convince other kids drop out as well so you can't skate oh that's bullshit fuck the machine it is broken it i i would get stopped by cops when I'm 16. And they'd be like, why aren't you in school? And I'm like, I'm homeschooled. And they would go, and they would drive off.

And other kids who weren't in school, the parents would get arrested. No kidding. Yeah, that's right. I remember when I was in college and I was at Sarah Lawrence College, which is in Bronxville, New York. And I was walking to school because I lived off campus. And I was at what, like 19 or 20 or whatever. And I was walking to school because I lived off campus. And I was at what, like 19 or 20 or whatever. And I was walking to school and this big white van pulled over

and opened the door. The door slid open and this guy goes, get in the van. And I was like, what the fuck are you talking about? They're like, you're supposed to be at school.

And I was like, I'm in college. I don't have to get in the van. And I looked in the van and there were all these kids in there just looking all depressed. They were getting, you know, carted off to school in the middle of the day. It was like lunchtime, you know, and I was rushing to my class.

I will agree. Fuck the machine. But I don't think that means that all machines are broken. I didn't say that. And the education machine that we can't have a functioning educational machine because I think we can. Dude, kids are traumatized by their teachers every single day. And look, man,

I had bad tea. I had like one good, there's, there's one teacher that I can name that I thought was really, really great. And she's an awesome person. And after occupy wall street, she messaged me saying,

I'm proud of you. And I'm like, that meant a lot to me because she was a good teacher. And then all the rest of them were either varying degrees of indifferent or antagonistic. And, and, rest of them were either varying degrees of indifferent or antagonistic and they were traumatizing kids. I had several different educational experiences. I went to public school most of the time. And then after eighth grade, I went to Catholic school for two years. And then after that, I went to a private quaker school in philadelphia for two years and the public school

was a total disaster like it was a it was like a squash machine you know you'd go into school and they'd they'd beat you down and squash you down until you felt terrible about yourself and i was bullied it was just an absolute nightmare the teachers at my school were the bullies yeah i like insulting kids were horrible and the other kids were always trying to beat me up and stuff like it was terrible. There were these kids and they'd be like, Libby, we're going to meet you at three. We're going to beat you up. And I'd be like, okay, but I'm going to take the bus home because my parents are way scarier

than you. And if I don't get home, like they're actually going to beat me up. Like, you know, I'm not going to stick around. And they kept being mad that I wasn't there, you know, after school for them to beat me up, but whatever. But the best school I went to out of, you know, and I went to college and my brother went there later, every teacher that I had took us all very seriously. They engaged in questions. It was very Socratic. When I expressed an interest in Kafka, one of my teachers was like, do you want to do an independent study in that? We're not going to be covering it. Yes, I would like to do that. We spoke separately about it. I studied philosophy. I studied politics. I studied drama. I studied all

of this really interesting stuff. The best teacher I ever had was the music teacher at that school, a man named Larry Honig, who I was in choir there and took us so seriously that we felt like we were part of a professional organization. And it was like very important. Other than the teachers at that school that I had, and not all of them, but other than a couple the teachers at that school that i had and not all of them but other than a couple of teachers at that school that i had i think the rest of the educational system was not at all helpful it was those two years that gave me pretty much everything i needed in terms of a work ethic taking myself seriously learning how to find and discover my own passions you know one of the things i learned in school is it does it all through public school.

It doesn't matter what you know. It matters who you know and fitting in and being popular. That was all that fucking mattered because as soon as I became popular, I realized no one gives a shit if I know this stuff. I can pretty much jive with teachers. I was never once popular.

I was always the total outcast. I was like, when I was like 14, I was like, I'm not, I don't care about my grades anymore. I want to be popular. That was all I cared about. But that's fine. That's fine.

Being respected and liked amongst your peers and wanting social acceptance is a fine thing. It's a huge part of success in real life, too. What are you doing to achieve it? And schools don't foster anything to achieve it. Sometimes it's sports. That's good. The problem with theater. Here's the first problem with mechanized learning facilities.

What happens when one kid knows all of his multiplications perfectly sit down and shut up yeah then the other kids are learning the other kids get annoyed with the kid because he's too smart they're like know it all over here it won't stop raising his hand it's not even that that's i experienced it first you don't have to raise your hand when you know it fuck because you're just sitting there and you're like i know the thing and then you get in trouble for it right i got in trouble so many times for being able to do math in my head. And I have no answer for this. Yeah, show your work. That was so annoying.

I actually told the teacher. She was like, I told the teacher I was smarter than her. Because I told the story before about negatives. And I got in trouble. I can see. I can visualize that. I got a Friday detention. Just like without any emotion.

They call detention second chance. That's what it was called. Oh, my goodness. Oh, that's insidious. That's insulting. Aaron, what was your school life like? I grew up in Canada. And so Canada is different because there's way less people.

And there is more resources put into the system. I think in part because there's way less people that they have to take care of. And in Canada, there are higher taxes. And also in Canada, you don't have the stratified system. Private schools when I was growing up were very, very rare. It was basically like there was a private Jewish school, there was a private Christian school, but everyone else went to public school. For me, it was great. I had one bad teacher that actually me and my friends rebelled against, and he was removed because he was so terrible.

But otherwise, I had great teachers, and I've always gone to public school. And I think, yes, I couldn't define photosynthesis tonight. Although after I thought about it, I think I got it. But anyway, it's too late now. Regardless, I had a good experience and I want everyone to have at least a good experience. And I do agree that things have changed now. We need to teach people more practical skills.

That's not happening. And I also know that the studies show that homeschooling does lead to better results. That's documented. But the problem is that's not scalable. Like not everyone can be homeschooled. And actually for for many kids the problem is like what if their home situation not just in their own home but around them is really really bad and school is actually a refuge for them from a really tough environment that's a big problem if we're saying school is going to

serve as like um a juvenile therapeutic it does though sometimes. It should not. But it could. No. Why not? Because otherwise you're leaving these kids totally alone. The inverse argument is kids who live in a good house are abused by the teachers. So just because you're arguing a teacher could be good

doesn't mean they're good. And even- Do you think for the most part teachers are abusive? I mean, I know there are some- Yes, 100%. I had one abusive teacher. Okay. All of them.

Well, listen, listen. This again comes down to our perspective. Like you have these generalizations about how people are. And I, obviously they're from experience. Mine has been totally different. So how do we reconcile these, these two totally different worldviews and the issue? The issue is, I think you come from like a leftist view and you're, you're giving it's in my, my, my, my opinion of your view is, is naivety.

It's more of the, listen, listen. People, they don't like their authority challenged. What does abusive mean? A teacher who is cold and indifferent towards a student is abusive. A kid who is going into a school where they're neglected, ignored, talked down to, treated inferior, that is not a good situation. That is the overwhelming majority of American schools. That's why it is generationally a trope school sucks is a phrase that is known to people yeah there are good teachers but if you ask a teacher or teacher union they're going to claim they're good if you ask the students they're all going to

say the same thing miss so-and-so sucks why do the kids hate the teacher that's so weird why is it that when i was a little kid i hated my teachers except for one but my guitar teacher was awesome private guitar teacher my mom paid him money the guy wanted to make sure that i was having a good time and i was learning guitar and so when he said i should learn twinkle twinkle little star i said i want to learn the kids aren't all right by the offspring and he laughed and he said good luck kid let's get it and then he said he played it for me he looked at the tab book book. He said, give it a shot. All right. Next week, when you come back, you're going to play me this riff. And I was like, this is cool. This guy, this guy was fun. He was, we were rocking.

We were having a blast. And then ultimately I was like, I don't know why I don't want to do lessons. I just started playing and I learned what I wanted to learn. But that was a, that was a good dude. That was a good dude. Why is it that so many kids hate their teachers? Why is it a trope that a kid will say my teacher sucks? Why is it that so many parents are their teachers why is it a trope that a kid will say my teacher sucks why is it that so many parents are like your teacher doesn't suck you're just a little why why are they not believing the kids and the kids are saying the schools are bad and and they're causing them problems when we're looking at a young a continuing problem of younger generations with with uh scores dropping in schools yeah the u.s slipping it's clearly broken yeah it's this low-hanging fruit shit where the teacher has to cater to the weakest student

and then the smart ones are waiting for it to finish. What were you going to say? Well, it's also a reflection of the culture it's in. And right now we have a culture where kids' brains are being warped by phones and their attention spans are just negligible. I'm lucky my brain developed before really cell phones and the internet were a thing.

So I'm lucky that way. And that's an issue. But the answer to me is not punishing teachers for that and punishing the school system for that. For me, it's doubling down on actually making the system reflect this changing time and putting more resources into it. And to what extent, I mean, look, either you're a good teacher or you're a bad teacher. That's just pretty clear.

But to what extent are some of these struggles in schools a reflection of there being way too big classrooms kids that need more support special needs kids don't have it and there's not enough resources and if there were resources i think you would see a major difference there so what what happens if um here's a question someone so real quick somebody somebody opens a uh um let's just let's uh uh uh a biltong shop and they make the worst fucking biltong in fact everyone in the neighborhood says john's biltong sucks what happens to that biltong shop it closes down what happens to the school in the exact same situation aaron matick comes up and says let's give him more money well yes and let's let but let's address what the problem is and try to fix it. I mean, that's what you would do if you're doing genuine oversight.

So why won't we do that for the small business then? Why is that the business just fails? Because it's a private enterprise and we do have a public system where certain rights or like certain, certain services are deemed to be so important to the public good that it's established that we provide them like education. And I agree. But clearly if, if we, if the government says we want to distribute frozen out of built important to the public good that it's established that we provide them like education i agree but clearly if if we if the government says we want to distribute frozen out of built tongue is we're

eating it it's it's south african style drink it's fantastic it's really good and so if if if the state says we want someone to pave the roads and then a month later there's buckets of molasses poured in the streets and we're, hold on there a minute. This is not what we paid you to do. All of a sudden you're coming and be like, I propose we give them more money to address the problem and figure out if we can do it. Well, we need to make classrooms smaller,

but the problem about learning is it's opt in. If a kid doesn't want to learn it there, you can't make them learn it. They'll just sit there and wait for you to stop talking and then go do stuff. So like, I disagree with the kids. Kids can be made to want to learn. Maybe you can build cultures around creating in, and wait for you to stop talking and then go do stuff. I disagree. Kids can be made to want to learn. Maybe.

You can build cultures around creating. Ian, you're going to hear my idea, and you're going to be like, Tim's right. You ready for this one? Oh, yeah. Treat schools like RPG video games. I would love to. Now, here's how it works.

When you start school, there's no grade levels. There are class levels. And the students have math level one they have reading level two they have what you know uh english this is like a montessori program and so so there you go and so what you do is when you decide to take the test you make it fun and then you can have the teacher in like a kung fu out and bit outfit being like you think you can best me to advance to level five math? Take the test! The kid can choose to take the test whenever they want

and if they pass, they advance to the next level. Then, students aren't saying what grade are you in? I'm in 5th grade, I'm in 6th grade. It's one kid's... So here's a problem. I knew a kid, super fucking good at basketball. Super dumb as a box of rocks. So they held him back two years and I'm like, the kid's clearly gifted

when it comes to physical capabilities in sports. Why are you treating him like a moron instead of. So what would happen in this school? He would be Jim level 12, the star of the basketball team. And he'd be math and reading level three or whatever. And he'd be like, yeah, I try really hard with the math stuff. I'm working on it. But everyone would be like, yeah, but you're like the best basketball player and everyone knows it.

And so you let the kids advance. And what this does is not only does it give them a gamified system of wanting to learn. Hey, man, this next level, you're going to get a free pizza at pizza, whatever it is we do. You're going to you're going to get, you know, to the gold tier. And then you're going to be tokens. The reason we use to check out books. And this is why video games work, because it triggers dopamine. It does. You give someone a goal

you give them a visible mathematical choice-based opportunity and they take it so what do they do they sit in their fucking computers for 16 hours playing video games do the same thing for school let kids decide when they want to try to advance and a kid might fail and they can be like you can literally take the test again right now if you want and then advance okay so you don't want to abolish the school system you want to change it to meet kids needs and to be more realistic for that which i'm fine okay sure i'm fine with that but first we got to do is we got to get rid of the the there is a massive cancerous tumor that is the department of education well it is it is a it is a money vacuum that homogenizes things in bad ways.

You've got to cut the cancer off and start a new one. So I was just thinking, you were talking about how much money is spent. Would you agree with the premise of having some department at all, like of education to- We don't need a federal department of education at all. It should be what, at the state level? Coin toss. It could go either way. If the proposal is, we will abolish the DOE right now and suspend all funding, wait one year, and then someone else can propose a program which we vote on and pass legislation. I'm totally fine with that.

So you were talking about how someone was saying that we spend more on education than on the military. So in 2022, it looks like we spent $877 billion on the military. And I was just doing a little, it was hard to get an accurate number of how much we actually spend on education. But we spend something like across the country, depending on where you are, there's different amounts. But it looks like we spend something like $8 000 per student 800 000 per year per student no because if we have because it depends on where you are so new york you spend 30 000 do you mean in their lifetime student k through 12 24 000 per

year per student that makes sense yes so yeah so 823 000 per student there's 55 million k through 12 students in the u.s which gets me and maybe my math is off i mean i didn't do great in stupid math but whatever which gets me to about 46 trillion dollars per year no per per 12 years yeah yeah so that would be two trillion per year yeah no 12 12 years well per student per year so like new york spends 30 000 per student per year i would love it if overnight every single teacher in the country was fired from their job oh that'd be horrible why why mass unemployment that'd be terrible oh yeah okay let me phrase it i would be fine if overnight every single teacher

got a different comparable job somewhere else and left oh okay but what about but don't you recognize that so many teachers are wonderful and do a great job i mean i know some assumption i know i know a lot of them like are you saying that you don't know one teacher who does a good job one i had one good teacher you know what and but now how about in your life now i mean plenty of people out there work in the education system like is there no one in your current circle or someone you've come across it's not it's not that it's like if if there's a factory that smashes hamsters and you're like why are they doing this? And they're like,

we don't know. We just funded by the government to do it. They pull a hamster and whack it. What if every year? Okay, how about this? How about not smashing? My view of this is the government keeps funding a program where a guy

tosses a hamster in the air and whacks it with a tennis racket. And then when you ask him, why are you doing this? He's like, government pays me to do it. And you're like, maybe you should stop. What's the purpose of this?

Tenderize and hamster. Why? No idea. I'm i'm like okay this guy should not have a job well that way the hamster is better at running kids are failing at math kids are failing at reading kids think school sucks they're not learning they're not passionate they hate work they hate school not every single student but too many of them have it either indifferent or negative view and the the average teacher has an indifferent to cold predisposition. This is a massive failure and waste of money. What if you got pod learning? If you got a 3.0 for the year, you get to cast your vote in which teacher gets fired that year.

And every year, all the 3.0 or higher students get to send one off the island. All the teachers. I also wonder, you know, it really bothers me too. We have so many school shootings that have emerged over the past couple of decades. And no one ever brings up the school as a component. It's always either it's mental health or it's guns. And I'm like, did you ever wonder why it is some people go to schools, even though they're out of school and just unload on teachers?

Maybe something is wrong with these institutionalized learning facilities did you aaron did you have a group of friends in school like a tight group of friends i did me too and that's when it got cool i hated it before that i i hear you i hear you so a lot of the ostracization sorry were you gonna say something well no no yeah i agree and and there are school shooters who have been bullied and uh but it's columbine i mean it was a huge component of it sure yeah but these are prisons uh michael malice said one of the first places a person will experience violence is in his public school and he is correct oh yeah that's for sure i remember when i was in kindergarten uh henry exposed himself to me under the play structure wow no parents around.

No adults around. Look at this kid who just got killed. Now he got beaten to death in a fight. I was thinking about this at this high school. This is the story we kicked off the segment with. But what is this is high school. So like 14 year old girls and 17 year old boys. Yep.

Because that's like a giant man gone through puberty with like a little girl who maybe hasn't yet. And what happened in Loudoun County is the girl got raped. Yeah, she got raped in the bathroom. But by the time you're 14, and like if you have your period and stuff like that's, you know, I know it's sort of boring to say or whatever, but like that sucks and it's super traumatizing and it's gross and everything about it is really unpleasant.

And you end up you if you're in the washroom at school and you have your period a lot of times you're going to end up with blood on your hands it's time and then you have to like wash your hands in front of boys that's all right so the first thing we do is that's even worse we separate boys and girls goals completely then we make it so that women aren't allowed to work then we repeal the 19th amendment and finally we institute the mosaic morality police to go in and make sure all of it's being upheld. Oh, you've thought this through. Suddenly, it's just the Iranian Revolution right here in the United States.

When I think about work, I think like we're all working right now. Our bodies are constantly working. So how do you maneuver that work to get ahead in life? That's really the way people should look at it. You're always working. A lot of people aren't always working. They're just sitting on their butt it's just like pumping energy your body is just constantly working to keep you up yeah your cells are burning atp keep you alive that's the people that are like i hate that word work work it's like dude no man fucking

it's a scientific term this is what i want you to look at the thing that i don't know this is oh this is a far side comic gary larson this is from a long time ago i love this yeah it's a kid playing a video game and his parents are looking lovingly while imagining help wanted nintendo expert needed fifty thousand dollars salary plus bonus looking for good mario brothers player one hundred thousand dollars plus your own car the funny thing is because this is in the 90s that did happen this is what it did happen gary larson was wrong anything you can turn your passion into work you just need a market for it and so the problem is these young people like i don't want to work it's like dude can you can you sing yeah okay a lot of people can sing not that well i'll tell you what you do go outside of

a baseball game wait till the game is letting out and start singing songs you like and you're gonna make 200 bucks in an hour right that's work the thing too about what if you don't have that that creative ingenuity i mean not everyone has that and there's also there's also a value reason why but there's also a value to work itself there's also a value to taking care of yourself why is that college dropout billionaires have three times the net worth of college graduate billionaires? That's a great, well, because they're obviously

such skilled independent thinkers. But the question is, did school dumb everybody else down? Or do those dropouts just have that natural creative independent spirit? How did humanity make it this far without institutionalized learning facilities? And how is it now

that we have generations of people who don't want to work when previously everybody worked and were fine with it but how many did everyone who's contributed to humanity do you think they came up with it independently on their own or did their possibly their education their families but their churches but people who learn physics and engineering they learn that in schools and that contributes to humanity that's not true at all. Really? Universities are relatively, the ubiquity of universities are new. A lot of the great inventors that we talk about never went to school for this stuff.

And good for them, but some people- That's all of them. Okay. Some of the best inventors, you're right, came to it on their own. Engineers. Some people, engineers, physicists, they go through doctors, they go through school programs, and they learn. Let me just tell you the absurdity of me at 25 years old giving guest lectures to PhD courses at various universities. You're an exception. You're an exception.

Yeah, but I'm an exception in that instead of going to college and asking a guy who doesn't do journalism how to do journalism, I bought a phone, sat down with some guys and said, what's the app we need? The remarkable thing about solving- Could everyone do that? Yes. Is that scalable? Yes. So everyone could achieve the success you've had on it?

No, it's not scalable. Wrong. It's wonderful what you achieved. It's really impressive, but it's not scalable. It is. It just isn't. Okay. I think society needs leaders so what's what do you

think is difficult about pointing a phone at things and talking what is the difference between uh between well because the phone records it but like what's what's what's the what's the barrier for entry why can't people do that well the will like you have the initiative and the willpower yeah okay yes yes yes Yes. Yes. Yes. So- Okay. If everyone put it, but we see- School's harder than that. But now everybody now points their phones at themselves and talks, and is everyone going

to become a huge success from that? No, because there's only so much space for people to develop a big audience. Right. So what I'm saying is like- So people need to figure out what will work for them to- They could. They could, but not everyone will be able to figure that out so you're saying that everybody who goes to college for journalism is going to get a job in journalism

no they're not and they're going to be how much in debt no no they're not listen i don't i don't recommend going to to a college for journalism i think it's a terrible thing to do so the issue that's that's that one field but but if the taxpayers covering the bills of them going to high school it's fine then yes because they're because they're not adults yet and they know they are high school seniors are 18 all right well they need the chance while their brains are still developing i think to be able to have a baseline education to learn some basics to socialize maybe maybe at four years old not at 18 the most formative years of a human's life are zero through five and we don't have them

in school for that period then the next most formative are five to 13 and what do we have them doing mostly mostly nothing bullshit then high school years where kids should be picking up a trade and learning things because at 18 you're a man and you can go to war and die and smoke cigarettes we have them still in high school doing fucking nothing when new york uh implemented universal pre-k do you think that was a good thing or a bad thing i don't know enough about it okay well i mean the general idea is like i i think institutionalized learning facilities are broken and it's possible to have them i suppose but typically they're always going to skew towards failure that is propped up by government money and what ends up happening is instead of saying this failed let's stop funding it the government says the taxpayer

we're taking it from you by force and there's nothing you can do about it if if a system is broken and it can't fail and the taxpayer is forced to pay for it against their will like that's fucked we've got kids suffering and the government it's and then you get teachers unions who will never let the system die i didn't sign off on on funding israel and the proxy war in ukraine exactly yes okay so if we're able to apply standards equally but i agree with you okay i know i know you are consistent on that you are but we should have some access to discretionary taxes i agree maybe 60 of your taxes should be discretionary or 30 of them or something like that i i would be willing to bet large sums of money that if i adopted any random kid that kid would grow up to be successful okay fair enough and and maybe you're right but the problem is not ever that's not

it's not scalable it is not it's tough but it literally is scalable the problem is not that humans are incapable the problem is that our culture and society has created fucked up broken machines that that destroy people we need good teachers to be honest if you think it's not scalable then we should abolish school right now because the idea that we're going to put everyone in a school and it's going to work is impossible by your standard if if schools cannot teach people to work and survive, we should get rid of them. I agree with you that something needs to change

and there needs to be more practical life skills taught. I could have benefited from that. There used to be that. Finance, shop, home ec. I had home ec and shop. Let's go to callers. Otherwise, you know,

we'll see what they think. Right on. I agree. Everyone on here has got a short name, so I can't read you whole names here i'll do my best if i uh mentioned old if i dead name you on discord not my bad all right

uh bring for the lies you are live how are you today hey guys how are you doing i bring forth the lies oh okay pardon me thank you um So my question was directed towards Libby, because this has been something that I've heard her say on quite a few episodes now. And I really wanted to kind of ask her about this. Why are you so strongly opposed to surrogacy? There are people out there that it is the only way they can have a child. Do you think it's fair to these people to not be able to have the ability to be parents? I don't think anyone has the right to have a child. I don't think that's a, you know,

if your body can do that, your body can do that. And that's amazing. If it can't, I don't know that you necessarily have the right to have a biological child. I'm opposed to commercial surrogacy. I'm not opposed to altruistic surrogacy, like situations where a couple can't have a child biologically themselves, and so perhaps the sister or a friend or what have you volunteers to help that couple. I'm not opposed to a volunteer surrogacy situation, an altruistic surrogacy situation. A commercial surrogacy situation very easily can and does lead to baby factory type of arrangements where you have a woman who is contracted to rent her body for a period of months in order to facilitate the child for

someone else. Now, on the one hand, you could say that a woman has the right to sell her body, and certainly advocates for sex work would say that that is true. However, there are substantial differences to selling your body for sex, which also I'm not in favor of, and selling your body for surrogacy, which also I'm not in favor of. And these are some of those circumstances. When a woman is contracted to be a surrogate, she has to already have undergone at least one pregnancy. You're not allowed to be a first-time pregnant person and be a surrogate. And the reason for that is to make sure that your body is capable of carrying a child to term. What that means, however, is that you are already a mother. So you are now in a situation where you are carrying someone else's child while you have

likely another child in the home. I think that that's pretty unpleasant for that child who's already in the home to see someone who otherwise would be their sibling essentially being sold to someone else. Also, when you're a surrogate, you are taking the embryo is not your own egg. In some cases, it is your own egg, in which case you're literally selling your own child. But the egg, the embryo is not your own. So you have to take a substantial number of drugs in order to facilitate that. You have to take IVF medication to make sure that, you know, because it's IVF basically. So you have to take all the IVF drugs, which is all these heavy duty hormones. That takes a substantial period of time and is very rough on the body. You also have to take after implantation, you have to take the same drugs that a person

would take after receiving an organ that's not theirs to prevent organ rejection, because your body will naturally reject the egg of another woman. So you have to take those drugs as well. That's a months long process to do that. Also, in many cases with surrogacy, you are implanted with multiples, and that's to ensure that at least one of the children survives, and it's to lower costs for the couple who is purchasing the child and renting the woman. So that's another thing. Multiple pregnancies are substantially more dangerous. So now you have a number of things that are contributing to the danger of the situation. Also in the United States, a lot of women who undergo surrogacy and become surrogates are married. So my personal morality, looking at a nuclear family where a woman is selling her body

and you have a husband in the home, I think that would be substantially emasculating. And you have many men who have come out and spoken against that. There've been many men also who have come out and spoken against surrogacy after their wives have died in the surrogacy process. And you could talk to Jennifer Lall about this, with the Center for Bioethics, who does really amazing work on this. And Katie Faust, who I think was on the show also in eastern europe in eastern just two more things just two more things in eastern europe surrogacy is not legal so many couples from eastern europe from western europe come to the united states to buy their children you also have a situation where for the child's perspective you will have for example if you have

a couple that does not have their own eggs they will buy an egg from one place like Ukraine, where the phrase is that you could buy cheap white eggs. So you would buy eggs from one place. You would mix them with the sperm from somewhere else. They would be gestated in the surrogate of one country and then sold to a couple in another country. So that's an issue as well. My follow up, Libby, is how do you reconcile your concern for the health of the mother with the fact that women are things? Right.

I mean, the fact that women are buyable and saleable objects, of course, I forgot that part clearly. You're like, well, my refrigerator breaks, I'm proud about it. Yeah, because we've already gone through the Iranian revolution, so we're here. I've got a question about it. We're here now. If altruistic surrogacy you stated was okay where

like someone a loved one is willing and then you do it and then after the baby's born you give them big fat tip huge tip is that okay i don't know if that's okay i don't i mean if that's pre-arranged i don't think that's okay you know um but i the reason that I'm opposed to commercial surrogacy is because I'm I don't think an industry of baby making is a good thing. I don't think that is a moral good thing. I do agree to that. What's that? I do agree to that. I think what would help is if you were to specify between the two.

I typically do that. Yeah, I typically do that. but it's misconstrued yeah yeah just because as somebody that i've been with my wife i've known my wife since we were 10 years old we've been together since we were 12 we're now 38 that's wonderful congrats bro um a year after we got married i was diagnosed with testicular cancer. We cannot have a child. For me, she has some autoimmune diseases that make it hard for her to carry the term. She has almost died from that before. That's terrible. And so for us, the only option is surrogacy.

Well, there's also... Would be her eggs. Yeah. And we do have one of her best friends has said, I want to do this for you. One of her best friends has five kids already. Well, that has said i want to do this for you one of her best friends has five kids already well i want to do this for you i've never had a complication so i i feel like differentiating between the two would when you say you're against surrogacy would really be beneficial to not like because it is kind of they're hugely different things i agree i think that's very different like the one commercialrogacy, a lot of the issue for me is that then you have a baby

making and selling industry. And I don't think we should have baby making and selling industries. But altruistic surrogacy is something that has been with us for a very long time. Even if you go back into looking at biblical times, you you know, you had Abraham and wasn't it Sarah? Abraham and Sarah. And, you know, her handmaiden was a surrogate. This is why we named the rooster Isaac. Oh, really?

Because his mom was Sarah. That's really cute. Is there another Ishmael? We got to find an Ishmael. Yeah. So I do. I do actually try and make that differentiation a lot it's often just not made but when i'm asked yes i definitely will

make that distinction also adoption is something my family okay i'm sorry i've taken up a lot of time yeah we got it we definitely got to move to some colors but that was deep because i didn't know you had a differential between commercial yeah it's a big difference good to know yeah that was awesome thanks dude i bring forth the lies thanks just just really quick um i've heard you try to find the right word in a bunch of videos now the plural of kibbutz is kibbutz say that one more time yeah kibbutz kibbutz that's the plural I am is plural in Hebrew

for any masculine word there you go nice true oh I didn't know you guys in Hebrew had masculine feminine that's interesting Elohim

seven is ah ah masculine is I am okay right on thanks for calling in cheers brother thank you

alright next up again can't read the name i'm gonna go by what it says dancing dancing or copy i hope they ask libby about surrogacy i hope not you're on the air hopefully my question isn't as controversial but uh thanks for taking my call everyone uh my question is primarily for Tim, but, you know, it's up for anyone. Why do you think Shapiro is so critical of the vague? Like, I know that there's rumors that he or the Daily Wire

are kind of in bed with the DeSantis camp, but he's made comments about the vague changing stances and he's theatrical with no solutions. So, well, Ben, Ben was opposed to Trump early on there. You know, Daily Wire guys

are more mainstream conservative. I wouldn't call them I wouldn't call necessarily neocon or anything like that, but close, close in some respects and in some of their positions. So for for for Ben and for many of the guys at Daily Wire, yeah, Ron DeSantis is your guy, and Vivek is more Trumpian. So if you're concerned about this populist upstart, you know, kind of Trumpian stuff and MAGA, Vivek is very much in line with that. But Ben and everyone else got behind Trump

because he was the Republican candidate. He became, you know, he was the nominee who won. He became president, and then he was the nominee who won. He became president. And then they basically said, OK, it's this or nothing. So that's what they went for. Now, given the option, I'm not surprised they're going for Ron DeSantis, despite the obvious shortcomings of the DeSantis campaign and the failures that come along with wearing three inch lifts in your cowboy boots. Yeah. So what he the specific claim that the big doesn't have any real solutions, I've heard him in long-form podcasts, and he seems to lay it out. Do you think it's just him kind of shilling for DeSantis,

or do you think he just hasn't sat down to listen to Vivek speak about what he actually wants to? Well, I mean, it's Ben's opinion. If he thinks the things that Vivek have said are not real solutions, then it's his opinion to say he has no solutions. I no problem with that um it'd be a great conversation in fact i think i think i think if if you if like you were to ask ben this question he'd give you a very well thought out answer as to what his point was i i ben's a smart guy and he's an excellent master debater so you know yeah one of the masteriest masterists yeah i look i disagree with ben but i know that every time i've uh interacted with him if if you're like hey how

come this ben he'll break it down for you that's what he's famous for doing you know so if he's speaking on his show i think it's fair to be like i don't i don't understand what he's saying vivek has laid these things out he should answer the questions but doesn't he does he's saying. Vivek has laid these things out. He should answer the questions, but does he do call-ins? I don't know, Ben. Yeah. I don't know. I know that if you went to like one of his speaking events

and at the Q&A asked him exactly this, he'd give you a logical breakdown of what he means and you'd understand. Ben's the facts don't care about your feelings guy. With all due respect, unless it comes to Israel, but I'm pretty sure he can give you a very simple logical answer i just think he's i think he's wrong that's fine you know i think the vague answers are the best i think he he demolishes the uh the debates i think there are

some high profile personalities who are probably on the payroll i don't think the daily wire is but i do think the daily wire did market their uh member list if i could be wrong about that is that true i don't know i i could i thought i heard something about the daily wire sells their uh email list as an advertising option like it was so well it's totally normal yeah and so they may have done that with the santas's campaign i think and they got accused of like being paid by the santas campaign and then jeremy boring was like we we offer up our subscriber like our advertising list to all sorts of companies. That's

quite literally a sponsorship thing. And so like when you sign up for their email list, like I agree to receive promotions and stuff. That's the point. I think that's all they did. I don't think that's why they would shell for DeSantis. I think they genuinely think DeSantis is better. Like I've talked to him about it. They really do

like the guy. I like DeSantis is better. Like I've talked to him about it. They really do like the guy. I like DeSantis too. It's just his campaign is fucking apocalyptic. His campaign is really a disaster. I like Vivek also. Every debate, I think he's been really strong. If Ron fired his campaign staff and brought on people who are also not that good, I'd be forgiving.

I'd be like, nah, that's good. You got to do what you got to do. But the fact that he keeps these people on, it's just. He keeps them on. And then they start going after everybody on Twitter. And you're just like, why are you wasting your time on this? This is not helping anybody. We've had people on this show who are not in the Trump versus Santa space.

I don't want to say who they are. Conservative leaning people who don't get involved in that. And they look man all I care about is you know pushing back on the wokeness and stuff like this and they're getting attacked by the Santa's people it's just so weird but anyway I hope that answers your question to the best of my ability anything else to add no that's everything thanks have a good night everyone of course cheers thank you for calling in all right I love how all of Trump's former people now totally diss him. Mike Pompeo, John Bolton, Nikki Haley, they all say he's unfit for office. That's because he appointed a bunch of neocons who wanted to undermine everything he ran on.

Yeah, I don't really care too much what Nikki Haley has to say about Trump, to be honest. Let's see. Not Heisenberg. Huh. That's a funny one. How are you? Yes. I'm good. Thank you for coming on Tincast, Aaron. Really appreciate it, and for taking my question. Until recently, I was an avid watcher of useful idiots.

I recognize the Israeli-Palestine questions have already been addressed a few times. I noticed that you're very critical of Israel and all of your work. What do you feel like is a realistic solution to the current crisis for long-term peace and a resolution to the 75-year-long conflict? I talked about it earlier. I talked about it earlier on the show, but just to briefly summarize. To me, ideally, if I could design the perfect solution in an ideal world, it would be equality for everybody. And Palestinians who were kicked out of their homes in 1948 either get the right of return or get compensated for it. But that's not going to happen because Israel has nuclear weapons. It's not going to give up its claim to be a Jewish state.

It just won't. So I think the best solution is removing all the West Bank settlements, move everyone who's in these settlements into Israel proper, and the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, and compensate all these Palestinian refugees and their families and their descendants for the homes that were lost. And that's the best, that's the solution that most of the world supports. The only people who are the main opponents of it are the U.S. and Israel. And if that were to change, I think it can make a huge difference. I mean, I don't know where the money's going to come from in this situation. Do you have an idea where that would come from?

Well, we spend so much money on arming Israel, and there's so much money put into maintaining the occupation. Right. So do we divert from current spending towards that? Yeah. Which I agree with. Well, it's not really about money. Money's not going to get houses built. You actually need materials. Do you want the U.S. to pay for it?

Is that what you're saying, Aaron? How do we these people can live next to each other because like the gossians and the west bagans they're all the palestinians they're all brainwashed to hate israel to martyr to destroy israel they want everything they want the entire land, right? How do you realistically create a state in which your neighbors want to kill you? You know, plenty of states have lived next to each other that have previously been in total states of war have gone on to peace. I mean, look at Europe right now.

Like France and England. I mean, well, yeah, there's- Ireland and England. Oh, boy. There's peace there now. So it's... But you have to establish, to have peace, you have to have a baseline of respect for everybody.

And right now, there's no respect for Palestinian rights. There isn't. That's the situation. There's an occupation. And the West Bank, to be a Palestinian,

it's horrible. But it's so horrible for Gaza right now that the West Bank is even being ignored. So the first thing you would do is address the occupation. From that,

you never know what could happen from that i got an idea common language i got a really good idea uh-huh hamas should open a casino and then all the people in israel are going to be like dude let's go to gaza and then they were talking about they tried that in the 90s there was talk of that there was there i think there even was a casino in the west bank really yeah? Yeah, there was. But again, the problem there was Israel refused to give up its settlement building. So even in the 90s, when you had this year of the so-called peace process, the settlement population doubled.

And Israel didn't dismantle its settlements. It kept building them up because they were never actually interested in making peace on serious terms. So once you reverse that, you could open up the possibility for peace. I'm not saying it's easy, but anything is better than the current approach of the last 75 you get a casino built but don't you feel like there's like nobody at all that uh is motivated for peace right like all the arab states and and persian you know iran next door nobody wants peace listen honestly israel's interest it's not the palestin Israel's interest. It's not in the Palestinian interest.

No, no, listen, Google, Google, Google Arab peace initiative, 2002. Okay.

In 2002, Saudi Arabia put out a proposal. It's called the Arab peace initiative, offering Israel full relations with all the Arab states in return for Israel, withdrawing from the West bank and Gaza and allowing the creation of a Palestinian state there and finding a just resolution to the refugee issue. It didn't say let everybody back. It said find a just resolution.

Israel rejected that. Hamas at one point even accepted it. Now, Hamas didn't say we'll recognize Israel, but Hamas said we'll accept a state within the 67 borders, which means the West Bank and Gaza. Iran said they would respect it even in 2017. You can look that up. It's Israel as a colonial power that won't give up its desire to control all that land. That's the problem here.

You also know that the same thing has happened on the other side, that Arafat rejected the Camp David Accords. Do you know who else rejected the Camp David Accords? Look this up. Shlomo Ben-Ami. He was the foreign minister of Israel at Camp David Accords. Do you know who else rejected the Camp David Accords? Look this up, Shlomo Ben-Ami. He was the foreign minister of Israel at Camp David. He was on the negotiating team. And he said during an interview that I was there for, it was when I was working for Democracy Now!, he said, if I were a Palestinian, I would have rejected Camp David as well. And I understand why you think that Arafat rejected this generous deal, but that's because we've been lied to.

Clinton lied. All these people have lied. The offer at Camp David would have kept the major West Bank settlement blocks. It would have cut off Palestinians from Jerusalem. They wouldn't even have control over East Jerusalem. They would have control over an adjacent suburb that they could rename East Jerusalem if they wanted to. That offer was a joke. And it's been, the only reason we

don't know otherwise is because we've been lied to so many times. And that lie is used to justify Israeli expansionism. Yeah. My problem is I think you feel like it's just one side. It's both sides. I do feel it's one side because one side is occupying the other. And that doesn't mean I endorse the tactics that Hamas undertakes. And purely from a Palestinian point of view, in terms of what's best for their liberation, I think Hamas really set them back horribly. Were you in favor of Germany reclaiming the lands that were lost after the end of World War I?

The Rhineland. You know, I'm not familiar with that history. Well, basically what starts World War II is Hitler saying, like, these are the lands Germany lost after... Sudetenland as well. Yeah, the Sudetenland. Okay, no, I do not support that, no.

Why not? Yeah, what do you mean? Those were ethnic Germans who were being oppressed by other countries. So after World War I, Germany gets put in a massive debt in these treaties, particularly with France,

and that stripped a bunch of their land away, which was ethnically German, given other countries and these people were being oppressed. They spoke German. Yeah, they spoke German. So Hitler said, I'm taking this back.'s our land okay but hitler's goal was not just to take back some disputed land he wanted the goal of he wanted to exterminate all all the jews in the world

and he also and he also wanted to go way further than that he wanted to basically dominate the planet so and i don't think you can say the same thing about hamas hamas is trying to liberate their own territory which was taken from them and they tried to destroy israel right well that's in their charter yes and that's what they say it's true but they actually changed their charter in 2017 yeah there was a period i believe i'm like okay fair enough but there was a period when they said we'd accept the state in the in the 67 borders and maybe they were lying the whole time maybe in 2017 they took out the reference to the elders of zion yeah okay and so one option look there are plenty of people who said we should engage with hamas and see what they and see like for example the former head of massad said we should engage with hamas uh he wrote an article about this in

the washington post um there was a plenty of talk about that. It was Israel who insisted on sticking to this extremist position that, no, all this land is ours. And as long as you have that position, you're always going to have people trying to resist you. So if you don't like what Hamas does, take away the reason why they're launching all these military actions and your occupation. Give them at least some of their land back. Not all of it. That's not possible anymore, I realize. But at least start with the position of letting Palestinians have a state and 22% of their land, which for them is a huge compromise

already. All right. I have a solution. Well, listen to your quick solution here. I just want to make sure we keep the show on the road here. Yeah. So my solution is that Egypt should take over Gaza and that Jordan should take over the West Bank. And we need Israel

to negotiate with nation states and with people that are ruled by terrorist organizations. That's it. That's actually quite a good solution. I would agree with that. Are you just going to give away their land to other countries? Well, actually, both of these territories were controlled

by, was it Transjordan at the time? Yes, and then they were taken over in the war in 1967, I think. Well, appreciate it. Thanksordan at the time that controlled the war? Yes, and then they were taken over in the war in 1967. Yeah, man. Well, appreciate it. Thanks for calling in. Thanks, dude. Thank you. Cheers, man. Are you familiar with the Havara? Havara agreement?

No. Nazi Germany and German Jews agreed that Germany would allow them to leave and go to Palestine. I just looked it up. I don't know anything about it. I don't know about that i i do know there was some degree i mean there you know i haven't looked into this but there i'm just there was talk of some zionist uh collusion with with nazis which i've heard about but yeah the nazis wanted the jews out of the country i don't

know if it was collusion more so that jews who were being persecuted were like please just let us leave we'll go here instead and they were like get the fuck out it was 1933 yeah but i also know that the u.s really did not want jews to come here and and the yeah nobody wanted them and jewish groups here worked very hard to keep out jewish refugees from the u.s so they can all go to palestine let's grab that the last caller there listen indeed shadowbox design you are back with us how's it going bro uh it's going good uh you guys okay if I just share my own personal experience with homeschooling just real quick since I've been homeschooling my whole life? We'd love to hear it. Okay.

So I'm 21. I've started two businesses. I've had a couple successful clothing drops on one business. I've made thousands with my art business. My brothers are both successful. One is a single income house raising a daughter with his wife. One's a salaried manager at a major retail company. I know plenty of people who have had great experiences with homeschooling. I've also seen the bad side. And honestly, I do think that there's more good than harm.

And I think that in public schooling, it's more harm than good. So I'm not here to offer a solution for that. I just want to put it out there that I think that homeschooling will set more people up for success. But in public school, the people who succeed out of that are typically the ones that have to break away from their education, rather than with homeschooling, the people who succeed are successful because of their education. That proves it. Yeah. I mean, I'm not here to to say you know the guest is 100 wrong i respect your opinion but i am just going to say you know i i have not seen a single person who is homeschooled even the one person i know who is homeschooled in a in a poor way his mother didn't really teach him

much he still ended up going on and starting his own business and getting a ged so that way he could have um some sort of diploma and went on and you know he business and getting a GED so that way he could have some sort of diploma and went on and, you know, he raises his kids now, like with his wife. So. Right on. I think it's a lot of that self-sufficiency that you're talking about. Well, that's really great. Well, thanks for calling in and we'll see how it goes. Just, I was like, wait a minute. I'm going to ask my question now. So a question for the panel, with the dramatic shifts happening in the political landscape in this last year and the decline of Joe Biden's frontrunner status in the Democratic Party, how much time do you believe the Democrats truly have before it's too late to build up a new candidate? Two months.

No, actually more than that. Four months. No, no. Two months because March is when the primary. Yeah. They got the media that's going to be 24-7 Gavin Newsom's hair gel, but it's two months. No, no, no. Maybe they want to wait till the very last minute for some like Joe Biden collapses thing,

because then there's no time for opposition research and an attack on Gavin Newsom. Yeah, they don't need to have anybody in a primary. The Democrats don't need to primary anybody. Because they're an evil cabal. They can select super delegates who they want. They can just pick who they want at their convention in the summer. Yep. And they could just go for it like that and then just push them onto the ballot.

It'd be funny if Obama just shows up and they're like, but you could be president. You were president twice. Go and stop me. And then he just runs anyway. And then everyone's like, what do we do? And it's like, I guess, I guess. And then no one does anything to stop him. That would be horrible.

So think about this. The only, like, here's what's going to help everybody. Understanding that human rules mean fuck all. And that's exemplified every day by what Democrats are doing with Donald Trump in court and Russiagate. The rules that we put in place are just fancy things that we think we should do. The only things that really matter, natural laws. Now, we want to function in a cohesive society, but the fact remains that if Barack Obama ran for president and then the media said that he was president, no one would do shit. No court would touch it, even though he was in violation of the, what is the rule?

It's an amendment, right? I don't know. One of the amendments. The Molly Mutz Clause? The two terms oh okay oh that was after fdr they came right after four terms i forgot what number it was four terms i don't know what the thing is but that's how my point is when you have texas v pennsylvania and the supreme court says fuck us we're not going anywhere near that that was nuts the supreme court really should have taken that up i know it's it's the fact that they didn't is it's proof to what i'm saying if if the media said obama was president he'd be president well it's not proof well that's true remember that'd

be very dangerous my point is that the system you would not get democrats rejecting it right right lemmings did it anyway christine quinn ruined her entire political career she she could have been mayor but people have a duty to respond through force if their livelihoods are threatened. I mean, we're supposed to defend our Constitution through blood and sweat, like literally. So if someone tried to come in and be like, your Constitution doesn't matter anything. Americans bow down. They know it's our job to stand up. The 22nd Amendment limits terms.

Well, but yeah. Yeah. So I think it's possible that um they do the swapper rooney right before october dude i think they'd actually call it swapper rooney and i think they could get some good marketing off that there'd be like some dog treats they'd call you called swapper roonies the old switcheroo right the switcheroo. Gavin Newsom doubly do. It may be. Here's what happens. Here's how you get rid of Kamala Harris.

In August, Joe Biden has a heart attack on stage and collapses. Gavin Newsom runs out, saves him. Kamala Harris then steps in as acting president to fulfill the duties as VP, but says, listen, there's no way I can mount a campaign in three months. Now Gavin's been on it already. And's how you get gavin newsom she'd come up with a diagram she's the worst she's so dumb yeah but yeah so last minute biden heart attack or something kamala says realistically there's no way i can mount a campaign right now and I don't want to lose to Trump. I think Gavin is going to have to step up while I feel that I will not abandon this country to run a presidential campaign three months out.

That's that's insane. I'm going to do my duty to this country as the first female president. And Gavin Newsom, you should vote for him. But don't you think that her ambition would get in the way of that and she would do it anyway? No, she would like go for it. I do not. You don't you think that her ambition would get in the way of that and she would do it anyway no she would like go for it i do not you don't think so nope i think her her ambition is to be on the knees for whoever's in charge interesting yeah i get that with her too i would kind of agree with that you know this whole biden meeting with president she is very weird because i feel like he's like not to be outdone by gavin newsom oh she i have to show something some he's i don't know why he would do that because he wants to be president

legitimately solidify his California name we gotta wind things down we're a little over you guys get it if I just say a few things do it do it so first off shout out to myself I want to say anybody out there

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I love you too, man. And I want to shout the name of your Instagram channel out. It's shadow box design. Yeah. Shadow dot box dot design. Yep. Right on, man, and I want to shout the name of your Instagram channel out. It's shadowboxdesign. Yeah, shadow.box.design, yep. Right on, man. Thanks for calling in. Yep.

And the last thing is I will read this joke from Bert, who says, what's the difference between Iron Man and Iron Woman? One is a superhero and one is a command. Oh my goodness. Got him, dude. That was a good't do that's a good one that was a rip for going dog uh aaron thanks for hanging out man it's been a blast great to be here thanks for having me absolutely even though you got kicked off the train you made it so that was fun it was it was well worth it right on and for everybody who's a member uh you guys rock watch infringed if you haven't already join the Discord server and hang out.

Awesome stuff currently in the works. Ian's working on our card game. Yeah, I was going to talk to you about that. Maybe a little bit after the show. Let's do it. All right, everybody. We got a card game coming really, really soon. And we're excited.

So we'll see y'all tomorrow. Deuces, guys.