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Episode Date: May 8, 2022

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Welcome to our special weekend show, Sunday Uncensored. Every week we produce four uncensored episodes of the TimCast IRL podcast exclusively at TimCast.com and we're going to bring you the most important for our weekend show. If you want to check out more segments just like this, become a member at TimCast.com. Now enjoy the show. Margaret Sanger was the, she founded Planned Parenthood, right? And she was a eugenicist, right? Now, enjoy the show. but I'm quoting the name of it. It was called the Negro Project. This was an actual project she had named and the idea was to produce the black population and she said that they needed to work with black

leaders and their communities to convince the people to sterilize themselves to not reproduce. Was Margaret Sanger a racist? Blah, blah, blah, blah. She was a eugenicist for books. You you know the left always

talks about how they're on the right side of history which is interesting because all of their predictions turn out to be wrong after six months so that's a little bit strange but also with margaret sanger she was a eugenicist because all of the early progressives were their movement was in favor of eugenics npr says fake fake news. Okay, well, NPR got us. It's possible that just like Bill Gates, she doesn't want to reduce the population. She wants to slow the growth. Because this says that it's about she wanted to spread awareness of contraception to lower poverty rates in the South. Okay, so Margaret Sanger.

Okay, okay, she was a eugenicist. NPR says she was, but not in the way Tucker Carlson is in fact. She was like, you know, like a good kind of eugenicist. Not like a mean kind like Tucker said. They're saying eugenics is a discipline championed by prominent scientists but now widely debunked that promoted good breeding and aimed to prevent poor breeding. This idea was the human race could be bettered through encouraging people with traits like intelligence, hard work, and cleanliness to reproduce.

Eugenics was taken to its horrifying extreme during the Holocaust. Oh, she just wanted to abort certain babies because she wanted to promote good breeding. It was a discipline. Yeah, it was a discipline. It was just like the discipline that she was one of the forerunners of, which led to the Holocaust. That's no big deal. I have a conspiracy theory.

I want to hear it. So, Helena, you mentioned that Planned Parenthood gave you these pills. Injections, but yes. In holy shit i thought it was pills so wait you were injecting yourself yeah wow like right to your veins or what uh in the muscle yeah thigh so how fast does that happen like like it takes effect right away you're just like no no no uh it's kind of like you you do it to like maintain the testosterone levels i just i was wondering if i mean these things lead to infertility planned parenthood planned parenthood just seems to generally want there to be less people i mean yeah it does lead to infertility

um like i didn't have that because i wasn't on it for long enough but if a woman is on testosterone for enough years like her organs her reproductive organs will start to die inside her body. What about a dude? Will his balls shrivel up? I don't think it's as much of an issue with men. But I know for women, it's like you have the ovaries, you have the uterus, and they need the hormones to stay alive. If they don't have the hormones, they start to atrophy. I said this before.

I think I was saying it to you, Seamus. I think I said it on the members only because I don't know if YouTube would allow us to say something like this. But like all of these parents that are sterilizing their kids are just excising their genes from the gene pool. So I have to wonder if, you know, these organizations like – and I'm saying I have to wonder, Media Matters. I know you're watching. I have to say it. Is there – are there people who are like stupid people will remove themselves in the gene pool i mean it's sad i'm not sure if that's it as much as they just generally want

to promote sexually depraved lifestyles and no that's too comic book one i don't think it's kind of one-dimensional i think that these are people who consider themselves to be sexually liberated and so they say oh well i am acting in favor of the movement of sexual liberation by taking the next step but yeah by allowing people to sterilize themselves what's more interesting to me is that margaret sanger very clearly wanted to reduce the black population she founded an organization called planned parenthood and to this day they disproportionately target the black community for abortions and contraceptives you say reduce the population are you are you implying that contraceptives. You say reduce the population. Are you,

are you implying that she wanted to slow the growth of the population or that she wanted to kill off a bunch of them? Margaret Sanger said she wanted to weed the human garden. So make of that what you will. She also preceded the Nazis. She gave them all their ideas. She thought that only smart people should have babies, which whatever, make of that what you will. She thought that only, people should have babies, which, whatever, make of that what you will.

She thought that only the best and brightest among us should be able to reproduce. And she thought that having children was a burden on women. So make of all of that what you will. And I genuinely think that she was truly racist. And when you look at the fact that Politifact fact-checked the fucking fact that more black babies were aborted than born in New York City in 2015 and in 2018. There was an article written about this in the Wall Street Journal by Jason – I forget what his name was – Jason Riley. The fact is that Planned Parenthood specifically targets low-income black women. Look at this. Hold on.

I want to mention this. Yeah, I got that pulled up. Sanger's own words in an article titled A Better Race Through Birth Control. Within this article, she wrote, Given birth control, the unfit will voluntarily eliminate their kind. So this is why I bring this up

because when I hear that Planned Parenthood without question gave you testosterone, I mean, that sounds like what they're doing they're trying to find people who are willing to sterilize themselves yeah so instead of going they used to do this thing back in the day with eugenics where they'd be like we'll give you five hundred dollars to get your tubes tied because if you didn't have the means to to to support yourself you would take the money and then sterilize yourself or make it impossible for you to have kids. And that's what they wanted. Now it seems like these people figured out an easier way.

Just trick people into doing it. If they're stupid enough to do it, they'll do it. I don't know. I mean, so, for example, the person at Planned Parenthood who gave you hormones, I don't think that they were necessarily thinking, I don't want this person to reproduce. I think they were thinking, I am acting in favor or I am acting in the interest of sexually liberating this person. And in a very twisted way, they saw themselves as someone who was advocating for you.

But it is true that the end result is that it could have rendered you infertile. Yeah, it could have. And I think when I look back on it, I think they were definitely having like a savior complex about it because I just remember like the tone of these women talking to me. They're like, you know what? We're going to give you your testosterone without blood work.

And I was like, yay. And they just like, you know, we had this like moment together and it was just like, they clearly were like feeling something. It was so creepy. Like, like blood thickening and like heart heart attacks and strokes yes that's amazing that's well you know i was told that planned parenthood makes women safer i was told that

if we cut funding for planned parenthood then women aren't going to be able to get medical treatment that they need i was told that they care oh so much about ensuring that women are cared for that's what i've always been told yeah I think just like with slavery, the best slaver will have the slaves willingly become slaves and enjoy being slaves and do it of their own volition. That getting people to sterilize themselves, you want them to want to do it. Otherwise, you become a villain. I mean, look at Bill Gates when he's like, if we do enough good work, we can reduce the population growth by 15%. He actually said that at a TED Talk. And so people then accuse him of being a eugenicist or wanting to kill people.

And all the fact checkers are like, false. He just wants there to be less people in 10 years, which means what? Don't have babies. How do you years which means what don't have babies how do you make it so people don't have babies well part of what's so horrific is that this this kind of anti-human rhetoric is not only acceptable it's lauded i believe that a person who says something like there should be fewer people or we need to slow the growth of our population or we need to reduce the population by 15 should be treated just as bad, if not worse, than someone who makes that exact same statement, but targeting a specific racial group.

Not population, population growth. I understand that. But imagine if someone said, imagine if someone got on stage and they selected a specific minority group and they said, if we really work together, we can prevent the growth of this minority group by 15%. Right. I mean, isn't that what she, that's what she said. But what I'm saying is, the fact is is what Bill Gates is saying is also horrific because that kind of genocidal rhetoric does not become moral because you extend it to everybody.

No, he's not saying reduce the population. He said reduce population growth by 15 percent. No, I know. And I would say that's I would still argue that's genocidal rhetoric. I think if you were to say that about a specific minority group that you wanted to slow their population growth by 15 percent, it would be called genocidal rhetoric. I think if you were to say that about a specific minority group that you wanted to slow their population growth by 15%, it would be called genocidal rhetoric. And I don't want to draw a distinction here and say, because you've applied that to everyone, it's now acceptable. Yeah. He using vaccines to control population growth. I don't understand what that means, to be honest. Yeah. So Bill Gates. So here we go. PolitiFact says false. Bill Gates talked about using vaccines to control population growth in an unedited 2010 TED talk. Bill Gates didn't say he wanted to use vaccines to reduce the population. Bill Gates and Melinda Gates have repeatedly said

that increased access to vaccines and healthcare around the world would reduce child mortality and allow families to decide to have fewer children. That would slow the population growth rate. That makes no fucking sense. Oh, because their child was more likely to die, that they would would the vaccines and making the child less likely to die means if they they try to have less babies because there's more of a success rate well also i want to say this look

if you went on record saying something like this you just don't get to be the vaccine guy after that i'm sorry i'm sorry if you didn't mean it that way. People are taking out of context. You just don't get to be the vaccine guy after that. Why would you? And why would you scold people for not trusting somebody who was on record saying? And he actually said population. He said the world today is 6.8 billion people. That's headed up to about 9 billion.

Now, if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that perhaps by perhaps 10 or 15%. He literally is saying that 9 billion number can be lowered by 10 or 15. He didn't say you can give him the benefit of the doubt and say he's talking about growth or you can be like, you know, he's just saying the population should be less. I think he's talking about growth for sure. But he doesn't say growth. He didn't give a timeframe either, like 9 billion by when tomorrow or in 7 years

or in 80 years like what the fuck is he talking about so that's an out of context statement I think they want to just kill and sterilize people well some people do but it's so dangerous

why Planned Parenthood why is Planned Parenthood giving testosterone and abortions I just think because they're a horrifically corrupt organization that doesn't care about

the well being of women they see women as something that they can exploit for profit you brought $ hundred dollars in and they said we're not even going to do your blood work we'll give you the drugs that you asked for exactly i don't know if it's about eugenics or whatever but i i genuinely think that they just see women as this population that they psychologically own like they've instilled a fear and a hatred of your own body and so many women. And like it makes sense to me that they would just, you know, take advantage of another avenue where that's happening.

It seems like it's a self-correcting problem, though. Even if it's just a wild theory that they're eugenicists, the end result will be parents of trans kids will excise their genetics from the gene pool and they will cease to exist. But I can't accept that because someone like you, for example, were brainwashed in some sense. You were encouraged to adopt this lifestyle choice, which could have rendered you infertile. I wouldn't see that as problem solved if she became infertile. To them, it would be. Their argument is, again, assuming they're legitimately genocists, the people who are resilient to these brainwashing techniques are going to have kids. You're not infertile.

So you resist it and you can have kids. I also have a brother and he didn't do this, so... But it's all simple math. If a population will have 100 babies over the span of 100 years, Bill Gates says he wants to reduce it by 15%, okay, so a family with

two kids, you only got to sterilize one of those kids and you've cut their population expansion in half. So it still is a reduction in birth numbers. I don't know if they need to go there. Again, I still really maintain that this is just them continuing their pattern of exploiting women and seeing them as for-profit basically things, objects. That's what I see. For sure. Yeah. for-profit basically things objects i i and for sure yeah but my my my point is if planned parenthood was started by a eugenicist who wanted good breeding and was racist why would that have

changed no i don't think it has planned parent i mean look i i mentioned this earlier they target the black community and they're the ones giving out these these sterilizing drugs to to young people i think the point is regardless of what's the the through line, what's the, what's the, what's the, no, I hear you. I hear. I think my point is regardless of what their stated intention is, regardless of what the intention of any specific person working at Planned Parenthood is, this is an organization which was founded for the purpose of eugenics, which is sterilizing people.

The problem is a horizontal gene translation, which is different than vertical verticals from parent to offspring. Horizontal is when your environment changes your genetics. And so if someone comes in with a mind virus, like, hey, everyone, hey, 13-year-old, you're actually a boy when you're a girl, then that's going to spread. That's going to change the genetics of our species, whether or not they have kids. The ideas can fuck us up too and make us better. Well, I also want to mention something else.

The left will constantly point to institutions that they argue had some origin in racist thought. And even if the institution operates in a completely racially neutral way today, they will argue that said organization is in fact racist because its foundations were. So if Planned Parenthood was founded by a racist eugenicist who wanted to engage in ethnic hygiene and cleansing and have quote-unquote undesirable populations eliminate themselves, and to this day one of the genetic groups she saw as inferior is being targeted by her organization for abortions and contraceptives, what are we led to conclude? Well, that's bad logic. Is this what Planned Parenthood always did?

Did they always do abortions? I don't think – well, they didn't do abortion prior to its legalization nationwide. A number of places it didn't. I believe it was contraceptives at first. So an organization that was founded by a racist eugenicist to reduce certain populations and encourage only good breeding to this day is still carrying out the exact same work, but they've kind of removed the ideological component. It's like if somebody starts a fire and the fire is spreading and then that person dies and the fire is still there and people are like, well, you know, the fire has always been doing its thing. The fire is not bad. It's like that fire was started for these reasons and it is burning through the very thing this person was trying to destroy. Why would you now all of a sudden ignore what the purpose of the fire is? You know what I mean?

If the purpose of Planned Parenthood is eugenics, it is still carrying out the exact same mission from when it was started and they predominantly put these things in minority neighborhoods. Why would you assume they're doing anything different than their stated mission? I guess because Thomas Jefferson had slaves doesn't mean that everyone that comes after him and his government was a slaver. No, no, no. Hold on. Hold on. Thomas Jefferson helped set forth a nation that planted the seeds of liberty, which ended slavery.

Margaret Sanger created an organization that stopped people from having kids and was a racist eugenicist, and the organization still stops people from having kids. Yeah. So a racist eugenicist says, I want this thing to stop, creates an organization, and to this day, they're still running that machine. It would almost be like if, to this day,

we still had slavery. We said, we're not doing it for racist reasons, though. Planned Parenthood is still sterilizing minority communities, but they're going, we're just not doing it for racist reasons though like planned parenthood is still sterilizing minority communities but they're going we're just not doing it for racist reasons sterilize oh yeah i guess well they're doing everything they can to prevent them from procreating you see this viral video where a dad goes to a school and he goes to the teacher and it's an old black man and he's like which one you put my grandson in a dress and the woman's like you can't talk to me about this you guys like no i'm talking to you right now she goes take it up with them he's like no i'm talking to you if you put my kid in a dress

again we're gonna have problems and he's like we're gonna make you go viral and the video went viral wait they said they said that to him he said to the teacher we're gonna make you go viral okay good for him good for i thought you were saying they were like threatening him with like, yes, let's show your best moment. Let's show you standing up for a child against perverts. I don't know if the left is going to win in the long run. I think having increasing the rate of

population growth would also be considered eugenics. It's just like toying with the population. That makes no sense because it's not always about reducing. Eugenics is only having good people breed. So if your argument is they take a bunch of Ubermensch and have 100 babies,

it doesn't matter how many babies they're having. They take the semen from one fit man and pregnant 100 women. The issue is Margaret Sanger is preventing certain babies from existing to prevent them from staying in the gene pool. But they also do like... Like a woman can go get sperm at a sperm bank.

Does Planned Parenthood do that stuff? I don't know much about the company. I don't know. What else do they offer besides hormones for kids and abortions? So they've consistently lied about providing mammograms. This is actually interesting. They literally don't provide mammograms. They don't have a single mammogram machine at any of their clinics.

For years, they said that they did. Other PR people said that they did. It's literally not true. They provide. They provide the COVID-19 vaccine. Oh, really? Abortion referrals, abortion, birth control, HIV, men's health, mental health, morning after pills, pregnancy tests, primary care. Yeah, there's no mammograms here.

Transgender hormone therapy. Because what they would do is like, I think they would tell women about other facilities that they could potentially go to to get mammograms. But that's like saying that the Yellow Pages provides pizza. I'm not going to take credit for that analogy, but it's the same thing. Like telling someone where they can go get something is not the same as providing it. What's IUI, intrauterine insemination. That looks like a Planned Parenthood thing. Is it? That's when I looked it up. That's from their website. That's like artificial insemination. That looks like a Planned Parenthood thing. Is it? That's when I looked it up.

That's from their website. That's like artificial insemination. That I didn't know. So that's another type of eugenics where you take the fittest dude's sperm and impregnate a bunch of women with it. I looked up places where you can get transgender hormone therapy over the phone. Yeah, they do that. They do that. Over the phone.

Oh, like you just have a conversation? You call them up and say, I want the drugs. They'll be like, you got it. Yeah, that's it. So we did a video about this a while ago uh for freedom tunes it's actually one of my first uh videos that really gained traction but basically planned parenthood claims that abortion is only three percent of its services but it's it's totally nonsensical it's a dishonest way of looking at it they make you wear masks you still gotta wear a mask if you want to go in and get your hormones. Of course they do. LOL.

It's something like it would be a larger percent of their services if they waited equally. So for example, it's like 12% of women who are there are there for an abortion or consulting for an abortion. But what happens is they give her a pregnancy test. And now they didn't just give her an abortion as a service. They also gave her a pregnancy test. So now abortion goes from 12% of what they provide to 6% of what they provide. Oh my gosh. And then if they give her a condom, now the abortion is only a third of what she was there for.

And if they give you a lollipop on your way out. That's right. That's also a service. They count every single individual thing as a service in that way to obfuscate the fact that they make a lot of money off of abortion. Hold on. Let me ask you. You were 18 when you got hormones. So I do think there's an issue if they're just willy-nilly giving them out.

But what about the libertarian argument? I mean, adults can do what they want to do. I agree with that to an extent. But I also think that there's a responsibility on the part of medical providers where it's like, you know, if you're a surgeon, what is your responsibility to your patient? If someone comes in, they're clearly mentally ill. They clearly have a lot of issues.

Is it ethical for that surgeon to just cut their balls off? Does the government have some kind of responsibility to intervene in that like we do with other consumer protection? That's what we were talking about last night, suicide. Suicide's illegal. I don't know if that's necessarily a good thing.

Do you think people – I think – well, I mean I don't know about illegal because it's like, well, I mean if you're already – what are they going to do? But I don't think we should support suicide just because someone wants to do it. That's really, really wrong. Yeah, I mean obviously – so we sort of talked about this i do believe it should be illegal i think civil authorities have a reason to step in and i also agree with you completely when you're saying that civil authorities have some interest and responsibility in ensuring that unnecessary medical procedures

that could potentially destroy people's lives aren't performed on them especially when it's like there's no evidence that this helps people. Like, there's this, oops, sorry. There's this, like, narrative that it's like, oh, there's detransitioners who, it didn't work for them, but for real trans people it works. There's just no evidence of that. Like, the only long-term evidence that we have into this is in, it followed adult transsexuals for 30 years, and it still found that after all the surgeries were complete, they still had like 20 times the suicide rate, completed suicide rate of the general population. So it's like – What about any other body dysmorphia? So I made this point to Jack Dorsey.

Like somebody – there are people who want to cut their limbs off because they – Transable-less. Or anorexia. No, it's – what is it called? Body – general body dysmorphic disorder or something like that. You want to look it up? And there are people who are like, I need my fingers off. It's not part of my body.

And they'll find ways to get amputated. So they'll crush their hand on purpose and then try and get it amputated. Jesus God. Should a doctor be, if someone walks into Planned Parenthood and says, I need my hand removed, should they go, no, tax all right here. Exactly. And I mean, an even more, I think, realistic example is anorexia. I mean, women with anorexia, like they genuinely feel like they really need to lose weight.

Like they feel like their life will be worthless if they don't lose weight. Does that mean that their doctors help them do that? No. Yeah. Well, and I'll go further. For anyone who argues that Tim's point about someone cutting their arm off as hyperbolic or their hand off as hyperbolic or an unfair comparison. Just ask yourself this question as an adult right now, if you had to have one unfortunate incident happen in your past as a child and you're a man, would you rather a doctor had

cut one of your hands off because you said you didn't want that hand? Or would you rather they put you on hormones that prevented you from developing sexually? And so you literally never ended up developing normal, healthy adult genitalia. Look at this. Understanding the rare condition that makes people want to amputate their own limbs. What's the difference between cutting your leg off and cutting your balls off? I mean, someone without a leg. Someone who cut their leg off can still reproduce and have children.

My body, my choice right here. Look at this. What is it? CNN. Like in the article they promote. There's body dysmorphic disorder, which is where the appearance is. They feel like a part of their body is severely flawed, wants it hidden or fixed. And then there's also trans ableism, which is the desire to acquire a disability through choice.

Look at this. Rather than happenstance. There's a website for body integrity dysphoria where people can go and get support to have their legs and limbs removed. And it encourages them. Something's going on with humanity. How can you call that body integrity? What are they saying?

Look at this. No, no, hold on, hold on, hold on. Stop, stop, stop. CNN is justifying this. May 7th, 2020, they say, those with BID have less brain connectivity in specific areas. We show clear associations between the mental state and changes in brain structure and functionality.

They are setting up the stage for people to cut their limbs off. Well, I want to know why. What's going on with the brain? How deep do they go? It's bullshit. I'm serious. What's causing it? If you ask

most men would you rather lose your shin or your foot and have that cut off or would you rather have your genitals cut off most guys guys it's not even a question yes cut my foot off i would like to be able to no i'm serious i'd like to be able to have a family i would like to be able to have a wife someday and have children but a lot of people want to run for a living you know they want to be runners and walkers so they might cut their nuts off i don't know how are you going to be a runner if you don't have any hormones like coursing through your body that are building your muscles and your bones and everything and the artificial hormones are not the same good point yeah not the same yeah everyone has to make

this decision on their own need your balls um i think something's changing people man whether it's wi-fi or fucking phthalates in the water supply. All of the above. High fructose corn syrup and aspartame. So their brains are getting warped and then they want to remove a piece of them because they hurt. But some people aren't. And so the end result of this is a eugenicist's wet dream. Some people are susceptible to the things that sterilize them or destroy their bodies and some people aren't and the end result is a stronger population. Well, Ian, you made a really good

point earlier about the fact that there are a lot of young people who are confused because of how confusing the world is today and so they become very depressed. They feel that something's missing and then these people basically step in and say, oh, what's missing is you're actually in the wrong body and you're dysphoric. I would have been totally susceptible to that at the age of 12 when I was crying in my bed and my mom's like, what's wrong? I'm like, I don't know. Yeah. I'm just crying.

People were like, it's because you were a girl. I was an actor. I was a creator. I like to play a girl on stage. It's fun. And that's the thing with these kids. There's a common personality type of these kids who get involved in this. And it's like the creative types it's the sensitive people which is really unfortunate to me because i think those

people have a lot to offer the world yeah like great acting yeah good actors yeah or art or music or writing whatever but instead like they're they're coping with the fact that somebody cut their balls off at 18. God damn it. So I just got a notification, and the Mises Caucus guys posted a meme of me. Hell yes. And it says, quote, I remember the Ron Paul era, and I didn't agree with a lot of his moral positions, but I did agree with him saying he wants to leave me alone. I'll take the guy who's going to leave me alone because we can disagree on everything, but then he agrees to leave me alone.

I think that's great. I do think that's great, and i think it's relevant to a lot of what we're talking about you know to some extent though i mean as you and i agree there is some role for the state to step in i would absolutely make it illegal for doctors to remove people's genitals just as it's illegal for them to remove someone's arm or leg if they feel that that shouldn't be attached to their body yep it's tough though because what if what if what if someone testicular cancer right yeah gotta get your balls off yeah i mean that's a very different scenario we're talking about healthy organs no no i i understand but does that mean the doctor has to provide documentation to the state to verify the cancer no but in the same way that it would be illegal for a doctor to just cut a healthy person's arm off just because

they said they wanted to a doctor can still remove a tumor from somebody's arm. Right. Yeah, it's really, really weird legal questions. Like what if you go to the doctor and the doctor is like, you have prostate cancer, so I'm going to remove your prostate and you'll be impotent for the rest of your life. And then you do it. And then the doctor was right. But then you say, you know what? I'm suing you anyway.

And I'm going to file And then the doctor was right. But then you say, you know what? I'm suing you anyway. And I'm going to file charges saying you suffered my prostate. Like is the state going to have to investigate whether it was a legitimate procedure? And how do you prove it was legitimate unless they like give them the prostate? Do things like that happen? I'm just saying like let's say someone goes to the hospital. The doctor is like you have skin cancer. We got to cut off the skin in your hand.

Then they do. And then you're like, oh, I didn't have skin cancer. He lied and cut my skin off. He attacked me. Like what happens? I mean I think if it were the case that you could prove that a doctor was malicious and lied about you having some disease to operate on you, you would have a lawsuit there. I don't know how often that happens. Medical malpractice suits happen over all sorts of stuff all the time.

Yeah, yeah. Whether there are cases of a doctor deciding they want to remove some part because they're a sick person. I haven't heard of anything like that. But there are sociopaths out there. Yeah, the transgender thing exactly. The only thing that matters, none of the laws matter. The only thing that matters is our culture is sick. Yeah.

I think there's truth in that. I think osteopathic medicine, this is kind of invented like 100 years ago. And it's the idea that if you have a sick organ, you cut it out, get rid of it, as opposed to figure out why it's not working right if you have a sick organ, you cut it out, get rid of it, as opposed to figure out why it's not working right and try and treat the underlying causes. You like diet. A lot of times it's diet. Pharmaceutical companies make so much money off of pumping people with medicine and surgeries. And keeping people sick. Like they're all collaborated with the food industry and everything. Yeah. They can't make money if people aren't sick. That's insane. It's

an incentive to make people sick. Yep. Yep. Cultural enforcement. These things weren't issues because our culture said some things were wrong. Like, why don't we have corruption? In Russia, you're speeding. You get pulled over. You throw some money at the cop. He leaves you alone.

You do that in the U.S., you're getting arrested. Why is it that cops in the U.S. will arrest you if you try to bribe them, but not in Russia? Culture. In our culture, people are like, nah, fuck that. I'm not, I don't want to do that. That's wrong. We can't do that. South America ain't nothing but bribery because their culture tolerates it.

It's acceptable to them. Do you think that, do you think some of that is cracked on though? Because I have heard stories from people who have said that like on the South side, back in the seventies and eighties, people did bribe cops pretty often. Yeah, but it's not really that, bro. Not, you know know i hear what you're saying on the level of these other countries but no but i'm saying like nowadays i agree with you that nowadays like people don't think unless they're at an insanely high level to go like i'm gonna slip this cop uh you know a 20 and you won't give me a parking ticket or something whereas i think back in the 70s that might be more of a

common thing like if you're a rich guy you don't say to a cop, let me slip you a $100 bill. You say, how would you like a job working in the private sector? Unrelated to whatever is going on. And then all of a sudden you're going to get a guy at $50 an hour who's going to be like, I'll take it. But regardless, my point is it doesn't matter what the law says. So I'm looking at all these precedents on like the Civil Rights Act is really fascinating because it does ban the men's room and the women's room outright. You cannot discriminate on the basis of sex. So how can you maintain a gender segregated bathroom facility?

Anybody should be allowed to use them. You can't tell them no. Well, culturally, we are like, like oh but we don't mean that so when they were like hey you can't have a white and black bathroom everyone like oh okay yeah you should be able to discriminate on the basis of race with bathrooms and national origin and sex and all that stuff and they got it and they got rid of the race bathrooms and kept the sex bathrooms so if you went into a woman's bathroom and you're like my civil rights and they're like get the fuck out of there and you're like civil rights they'd be like okay we're arresting you for

disgruntled behaving in the public or something but not for so so go back in time to when they passed the civil rights act so you can't discriminate as a man walking a woman's bathroom you get your ass beat and then the cops laugh at you and the judge says get the fuck out of my courtroom do it today and you will win 250 000 yes cultural enforcement the law didn't change the culture and what tolerates changed so the law could say whatever the fuck it wants that's my concern about the whole abortion thing well i mean of course it's going to be a big deal but i don't think it's as big of a deal as people are making it out to be but i i do feel like the you know truth faction the freedom faction i don't know the

fuck you call it do what do they do well like the faction of people who believe in like the who believe in facts and believe in liberty and logic the logic constitution logic right like even though we don't all agree on on quite a lot when we talk about these cases I can't think of an instance where there have been like a few here and there. But for the most part, we generally agree on the facts of what happened. Well, my thing with you, I like you. I trust you. I don't agree with you about shit. I don't think no one's ever going to be like, yes, we are synonymous.

We are bored. That doesn't matter. But the issue is – But I also feel like with you and I, like if I tell you a fact or you tell me a fact even if i don't agree with your view on it i'll be like yeah that's true you know whereas i think you make a good point about how like on the other side of the aisle there are people they'll literally just be like no no actually um the uh michael brown case is right you know it was a travesty and he did have his hands up and he said don't shoot the cop shot like we had hunter avalon on the show and he's and i said look joe biden said

if you don't fire the prosecutor not get the billion dollars and he went that never happened dude and i was like yeah it did he's like no it didn't i'm like all right bro here we go and i pulled up the videos and he watched him he was like oh i find finding out a fact that you didn't know that what is a very valuable opportunity and it's the basis of the scientific method. Constantly trying to disprove your own idea. The emotion people don't follow logic. So that's why when I'm like, would you like to come on the show? They go, fuck you, you fucking loser.

You're so dumb. And I'm like, okay, I guess. And we're all shocked by it. Like, why won't they come on the show and debate? It's because they don't have anything to debate. It's fire. That's what it is. Fire doesn't debate water.

It just burns shit down. Like, the fire avoids going into the water. It's the wind. That's how fire and water find a common ground. It's the wind. The moisture in the air pushing the waves of flame. Well, I think, ultimately, whatever we are, we are winning. And that is, look, my attitude on trans stuff for the most part, I don't have a strong position on SRS, like bottom surgery and top surgery, like surgery stuff.

I think adults can live the lives they want to live, lead the lives they want to live. So like Blair White, more power to Blair. She wants to be trans, take hormones and stuff. I'm not going to get involved in that. But I think the issue is when they go after kids. Yeah. I think that becomes more of an issue. But my question is, so would you be okay with someone amputating their arm or leg

because they felt that they shouldn't have it? That's a tough question, man. That's similar to the suicide question. Suicide, it is, right. But the issue is the gradient because suicide for me is an absolute no like if someone's suicidal we help them not be suicidal if somebody wants to uh pierce their tongue oh i don't give a shit somebody wants to modify like fork their tongue i also don't give a shit you ever see tongue forking yeah they split down the middle and you can actually like move it around it's crazy and if somebody you know wants to do um like there's like to varying degrees of body modification we accept and don't care about

but then amputation is where we're like whoa and i've gone too far but yeah it's like people can live their lives as long as they're hurting other people i'm kind of okay with it when they're going so if someone goes to a child that's grooming them they're hurting other people you know if a person wants to dye their skin green or whatever i'm like and if someone goes to a child and starts grooming them, they're hurting other people. If a person wants to dye their skin green or whatever, I'm like – And if someone cuts off their arms and then they make a YouTube video and they're like, I cut off my arms. I feel – I'm good. And they have 1,000 subscribers that are like 14-year-olds. They're basically teaching 14-year-olds to cut off their arms.

And especially if what YouTube does is they come in and say anyone who says they regret losing their arms has their channel banned and delete their videos and don't promote that message. Don't even say arms. Say balls. Yeah. Literally, if it is a video like I cut my balls off and I'm happy and the people who are like I cut my balls off and are sad get banned. Yeah. You raise a point about body modification, and I believe it's good for a person to split their tongue, but that is not going to place you at the same level of culpability for participating in that as like cutting off someone's arm or cutting off someone's genitals.

It's tough. Removing something is different than modifying it. If you modify it, it's still there. So let's get that straight. Well, yeah. No, I mean, I believe that even if someone wants you to destroy them or part of them, you still can't do it. Yeah. Is it the right thing to do? Like I, people can do all sorts of stuff, but it's like, is it right though? And then the question is at what point can there be legal

consequences under the current paradigm? Obviously that's something which we unfortunately allow, but I wonder if it could be the case that years from now, people will say, look, I had a mental illness and you performed a surgery on me that I only said I wanted because I was sick and you were the doctor. It was your responsibility to help me. And instead, you sliced my genitalia up into being completely unable to ever function again. Have you considered suing Planned Parenthood? Yeah, I have. I have considered it. Oh, what's going on? Are you going to do it?

I wouldn't dissuade you. Yeah, it's just difficult. I mean, they have you sign a liability thing that says, like, if I ever regret this, it's not Planned Parenthood's fault. But did you tell them that you were depressed? Yeah. So depression is a state of mind where you can't legally enter into contracts. Interesting. Also, didn't you say they failed to do your blood work? Are they not legally required? Yeah, they, they did. I mean, I, yeah, I've been talking to a lawyer, but it's, yeah,

it's, I don't have any, I'm saying that I don't have any like concrete. Yeah. Maybe we shouldn't talk too much about it. Yeah. I hear you. Yeah. So if you're declared mentally incompetent, contracts are void. I wonder if depression could qualify, but I wonder if you could make it avoidable. It has long been established that a contract is avoidable by a person who, due to mental illness or defect, lacked the capacity to contract at the time of entering into the agreement. I'd argue that you were severely depressed and that they exploited you to take money from you and give you a treatment without proper medical care. And the liability waiver is void because...

And they knew you were depressed. You told them you were depressed and they tried to get you to sign an agreement anyway. I told them I was suicidal. Oh, that right there. So suicidal, I think, clearly nullifies contracts. It says it right in my uh medical records it's actually sad when you go back and read it it's like he says that he's suicidal but that will

change after he takes testosterone i think you should sue if that company gets sued once it's gonna get sued into oblivion yeah if i'll say this if you announced you were suing you'd have 10 10 billion dollars behind you like every right-wing group would be like blank check here you go and planned parenthood yeah yeah well it would it wouldn't i mean right it's it's political so they'd want to do everything for a lot of people would be like this is a vector to dealing with abortion but i think what ultimately might end up happening is you just end up with 10 million dollars cash from planned parenthood who settles with you you know what i mean yeah you'd have to like reject a settlement and take it to the Supreme Court to get them to

end transgender hormone therapies. Yeah. I mean, yeah, you really could do a lot of good. Yeah. Yeah. I have been talking to someone. Oh, no, no, no. Good for you.

Good for you. I think that's great. Yeah. Cool. All right. Yeah. Awesome. Helena, thanks for coming.

It's been a blast. Thank you for having me. Yeah, seriously. This was great. Thank you. Yeah. And everybody, as members, Thank you for having me. Yeah, seriously. This was great. Thank you. Yeah. And everybody, as members, thank you for making all of this possible. Look forward to some fun, exciting stuff.

We might have an announcement coming up at the end of this week. I've been waiting. We always have to delay these things, but some cool stuff's happening soon. Thanks for hanging out, and we'll see you all next time.