Timcast IRL - Sunday Uncensored: Curt Mills Members Only Podcast

Episode Date: March 17, 2024

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would not fly on these planes the 15 people who were asked those questions were working on the flagship product the 787 dreamliner the people on the assembly line have little faith in the plane they built yo that's that's freaky as shit so this is a whistleblower guy check this out actually let's do this boeing whistleblower john barnett's warning over aviation giants flagship 787 dreamliner and 737 max weeks before he was found dead as faa reveals company failed 33 of 89 audits and used dawn soap for lubricant dude what the fuck is going on it's just total breakdown and i we were talking so so here's the story this guy was found dead and people are all tweeting out arkanside as if to imply i guess i don't know like boeing boeing had him killed or the clintons because they're from arkansas right yeah but i don't think they're literally saying hillary clinton killed a boeing whistleblower

but they're saying arkanside as if to imply it's an assassination or whatever you don't know you don't i think is the bigger story here look we're not gonna know if this guy was assassinated but we'll take a look he was found uh he was found dead they say what is it apparent suicide shot or something like that to the back of the head is that what it was multiple to the back of the head classic suicide no it's found dead for an apparent suicide they don't say exactly why uh i think what we're seeing with boeing it's not just the dei stuff people are talking about diversity and all this shit it's resulting in like low quality products

i think it's actually an artifact of uh boomers retaining power and refusing to transfer it we talked about this a bit on the on the on the main show but i i do think that is largely it that it's it's it's it's circular but you infantilize a younger generation you get infants and then because they're infantilized and acting like infants you continue to treat the rest of them like infants perpetuating the cycle of only we can be in charge yeah it's the last versions i do feel like i really want to see the don boeing commercial we're about to get. You know how Don puts out the commercials where they're like,

and we use our products to take oil off of animals. See, we're great. They're going to be like, and now we power your airplane. Isn't that good? But I think Tim's totally right. The crime of low expectations for millennials, it seems twofold, right? Boomers don't want to give up power, but also they say, well, look at you guys you don't have your lives together you can't you don't have any you don't own homes you don't have any savings and you want to say but who who put put

us in this position why are millennials in this trap where they are not allowed to assume power but also all all of the resources that are needed to sort of get the step towards leadership in this country are withheld from them yeah it's kind of part of like the pandemic too and everyone just stopping doing their jobs correctly and doing this part of pandemic well kind of both but i mean i'm not saying only but i'm saying a lot of people have just kind of like checked out you know and a lot of positions and like if you go to a restaurant the rest of the waiters that are just kind of like yeah like whatever i could i could care less i don't know if that's the exact imagine if they're all building the airplanes over zoom they're not even the room it's like who cares tell the robot to put the dawn

over there no but i think part of it is it's it's i think that apathy was high during the pandemic but i think there was a disengagement from typical societal functions before that but it makes to me we're talking about the boomers before i think a lot about the boomer feminists during this who told women you know put off having kids you know wait you don't want them they're a burden in fact you probably don't want to get married you'll never meet like there's a level of cynicism and selfishness that was sown by an older generation who maybe they had good intentions with like women's lib or whatever uh but they ultimately created a group of people who were saying, I don't want to participate in a society that works on collaborative growth, AKA having families,

joining your school board, you know, participating in whatever in non volunteer organizations or churches, whatever you are interested in. Instead, it said, well, you should focus on the self entirely.

And in fact, you should expect others to accommodate the self at all times. This is a very self-involved generation. You know, we, there was this guy called Dan Patrick, who's the governor of Texas. And he appeared on Carlson's program in May of 2020. And he put forward the idea that basically his generation should just take the hit. You know, I mean, we should end the lockdown. Um, and you know, we, we, this is essentially for our benefit. And he was, he was, he was viewed as a,

as a, as a crank, as a murderer. I mean, remember, a human sacrifice practicer, right? I mean, that was the terminology at the time. I know it's all a bad dream. I don't even want to talk about it. but i mean that that was he was that is the mindset and i think we we are underrating uh that we're not even close in my view to being on the other side of the hill on this like i mean the aging of the of of the country's over 60 class is going to be very slow and very long and like you said you were 38 well 40 this is going to be happening well into your 50s so well the question is i mean here we are this company is

a millennial and younger company in fact how many gen xers do we actually have at timcast one is ian gen x yeah maybe lisa phil phil kim but phil phil doesn't work here yeah he just you know it's funny because people like try to roast him saying that like he works for me and like phil literally shows up whenever he feels like it i i don't even know when he's here it's not we're we're we're glad to have him i told him just come by when he can and we have he just he schedules it with the team or whatever but we're we're a fairly millennial company not to get off track what's stopping other millennials from just taking just doing shit the metaverse i think x i think that thing right there they have a new skateboarding video game right there yeah it's a me it's it's a it's a complex

subject which is not a very interesting answer. And the reality is there are a lot of great baby boomers. But it's just, it's hard to make an argument that, and I think generational warfare turns a lot of people off, the language of it, and understandably so. But I just, if you don't think this country has gotten worse in the last 40 or 50 years, I'm just not really sure that we're seeing the same reality you're right about real quick just to clarify people were asking phil

i i don't phil is not an employee of timcast i'll put it that way phil is a consultant and recurring guest host and we have an arrangement with him that is it's not it's not an employment arrangement it's a contract arrangement what you're saying about the older class staying in power is going to be even crazier thinking about. When I went home for Thanksgiving in New York, talking to a lot of friends who are still teachers. I was a professor for a while. And I'm talking to professors and middle school and elementary school teachers. They're like, all of our kids are four years behind. Like, they're supposed to be freshmen in college.

They're like a freshman or a sophomore in high school just because like the education was totally halted and zoom did nothing maybe made things worse so in school wasn't so great before school school's already bad yeah now it just got way worse but now like you know that delay in their development plus what you're talking about with the older people staying in power so we're gonna rip society you know i i i've probably told the story a couple times on the show but i i remember when i was uh 20 no i was probably 17 or 18 and i had a friend who was in college i did not go to college i briefly took like two college credits or whatever and the idea was i dropped out of high school

but in order to get a job you need high school diplomas but i'm smarter than these people so i took a couple college credits i think i did uh yoga uh theater acting and criminal justice nice yeah and then i dropped the yoga because i was like this is a waste of my time but but then on every application after that i would put some college and the assumption is if you have some college you've got a high school diploma my friends who applied for jobs they would say what you do not need a high school degree to no not about well it's interesting to go to community college you do not need a high school anybody can walk in anybody who's 18 and older can walk into a community college and pay that's nationwide i'm assuming you know where it was and then you after two years and get an associates and transfer to university you don't need a high school diploma that's's a myth. Why do people get GEDs then?

Because they're really fucking stupid. I don't know. I'm not trying to insult people who have GEDs. But like, look, man, if someone came to me for a job and they were like, I don't have a high school diploma, but I got a GED. And I'm like, that's not confidence building. You'd have been better off being like, I don't need that shit. I'm the best. Watch this.

And then they do a bit. I got to be honest. If I was like, I'm trying to hire somebody who knows how to do graphic design. And they came to me and said, I didn't go to school for it. I didn't even go to high school. I'd be like, well, that means nothing to me. And then if they did a standing backflip, I'd be like, okay, now we're talking. Like, I don't even know what the fuck's going on, but that was impressive.

But telling me that you got a GED means very little. And I think it's because people think you need it so i went and it took me like i don't know a month to get a credit and now and fuck that you can you can walk in the door and walk out the door now you have some college and you actually have the paperwork and the receipt for the college you went to right so what was i even talking about oh anyway so um i was talking to a friend who was going to college. She was telling me like, I don't know what I'm going to do with my life. And I said, what were you doing when you were 13? And she was like, nothing.

Riding my bike, hanging out with my friends. And I was like, you want to open a bar? And she went, oh my God, that would be so awesome. And I'm like, yeah, you want to do what you were doing when you were 13. I'm doing basically what I was doing when you were 13 i'm doing basically what i was doing when i was 13 going on the internet reading news and just like i used to go on fark.com all the time i don't know if that was around when i was 13 but all i would do is read fark like fuck does fark still exist it's got to exist right well i have to go

because i read that cover to cover when i was 13 every week this is and it looks it looks the exact same as it always has looked this is what it is I haven't done that yep I would just go on Fark and I would just

read this like this is the shit that I would read when I was like a teenager Norway became the number and I'm just reading all the shit

it shows you all the sources I should still use it it seems like a good website I wonder who's running this probably the same dudes and newgrounds.com and so does that exist? Newgrounds? yeah I should still use it. It seems like a good website. I wonder who's running this. Probably the same dudes. And Newgrounds.com. Does that exist?

Newgrounds? Yeah, of course. Newgrounds is definitely still running. Oh, what is this? Wait, what? A humor or satire website? It's not a news source? Oh, because they make jokes about the stories. Well, they say it's not news. It's spark. Wait, what am I typing?

Newgrounds. I was typing in newsgirdgird yeah new new grounds has been around forever there you go oh man i haven't thought about animation but uh this is bizarre i would tell all my friends i'm like look man why why is it that all of the pro baseball players are playing baseball since they were four years old why is that all the pro football players playing football since they were four years old you you you do what you've been doing like you are built around your neurons fire around this stuff and so for me i was designing websites i was playing video games i was playing guitar i was skateboarding i'm literally doing exactly what i did when i was 13 and so the problem we have with this generation all of our 13 year olds go riding their bikes

and nothing else like i mean figuratively riding their bikes and nothing else. Like, I mean, figuratively riding their bikes. What, what does the average 10 to 13 year old do in this country? And it's worse than that. The most important years of human beings life are zero through five. You have all of these neuron neurons in your brain and they're starting to get wired. And I watched this thing recently where they said,

you actually have more when you're born, but they break apart. The ones that become useless, stop getting used. And the ones you build up. So the more you do from zero to five, the more pathways and the more powerful your brain becomes. So for me, my mom was homeschooling me well before five years old. I knew multiplication and division. I was learning basic instruments, learning like the basics of music, uh, playing chess when I was three. Not that I was actually playing chess,

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Literally nothing until five years old. Literally not. Maybe preschool. And now they're saying like kids are going to read by the time they're in third grade. What was that we saw in the State of the Union? It was wild. That was Biden saying we need to make sure

they can read by third grade. Which is late. It's late. I mean, first grade is average, right? That's what we looked up. Yeah, six years old is about average to start reading. And I remember my eighth grade teacher said i had a college level of vocabulary and i was eighth grade she was like yeah and i forgot what happened but you know one day she said that to me and because my mom would give us vocabulary tests

and we would she would homeschool us all the time that That gives me an advantage. So here I am with a higher and like a 10-year head start on the average American. Perhaps that's why, you know, here I am running this company and why most millennials are not even, most millennials are doing nothing. Yeah.

I think early, like, I mean, this is something, doesn't Jordan Peterson talk about this, that you only really get the zero through four years once and they're extremely fundamental. And so it is worth sacrificing to be present with your children at that time. And I think, I mean, this is something that came up in the State of Union too. Biden cited that study that says children who are read to at home and they get books and things like that, they enter school with a million more words than the average kindergartner well yeah why don't we encourage

parents to be home from work in time to read their kids a bedtime story right like there are simple cultural solutions for this that we gave up in pursuit of other things our son seems like an extraterrestrial sometimes when he's around other kids because he's been reading a lot from a very young age or he's seven gonna be eight He's seven, going to be eight. And at like four, you know, he's already thinking like about, like just making very complete weird sentences about, and having observations or making metaphors.

Do the children that your son goes to school with or hang out with, they seem very different than. In New York, they did. In New York, it was different. What were their characteristics? The vocabulary wasn't like that.

And they probably weren't being read to at least three books a night like our time to get them a skateboard they were probably on their uh yeah come on uncle other parents were probably given and our son has a screen every now and then but other i i saw a lot of parents that screen became a parent that's what the you think that's the default uh yeah so this this was a huge scandal on youtube you're familiar are you familiar with alsagate no so they parents would put uh i always love pulling this this video up let me pull this video up it's wild i saw it myself you know when i'm picking up my son once from my mom it was showing here we go videos and it was one of these disturbing things one hours in Japan So here's the Hulk and Hitler doing Tai Chi probably like an MK ultra video

I shouldn't even look at it. It was so weird. They got rid of they got rid of the finger family stuff. Yeah, here we go oh I feel like my brain listen listen listen listen listen listen I'll play it again Here I am, here I am. How do you do? Sit the finger, sit the finger. Where are you? Here I am, here I am. How do you do? This person clearly doesn't speak English. Yeah. They're singing a song called Finger Family because the algorithm was feeding these videos to hundreds of millions of views.

These people were making shitloads of money because parents would put the iPad in front of the baby and press play on a real finger family song. Let me pull it. Here you go, Cocoa Melon. 557 million views. All those kids are mature. Everyone was talking about this. The people that are doing this, it's like a live action version of are you so when the algorithm look this has got 587 million views when people in india found out

the algorithm was feeding this they made those ridiculous videos with hitler and like there's one where india driven that that one particular video seemed to be from india or perhaps indonesia or something like that i don't know but there were a ton of different ones where they were it's like hitler with a bikini hitler with a woman's body doing tai chi with a blue hulk or something giant needle one yeah sticking needles in children and children drinking urine out of urinals because the parents put the ipad in front of the baby and press play and the algorithm would just auto play whatever and the babies are just staring at it we are going to have one fucked up post alpha generate whatever comes after generation alpha is going to be a bunch of what is that going to be called do we know i don't know but they will be retarded and they will be degenerate

it kind of might uh connect to what we were talking about last night when we were talking about uh the art that was made after the atom bomb yeah like what the fuck are these kids their brains are gonna be fried they might not even make anything honestly bugs bunny and looney tunes are why we have furries this is this it's it's not even a debate do you know what a furry is yeah people people think people think furries are people who dress up like animals wrong furries are people who have cartoon animal personalities that they that they want you know to to to be and this only can emerge because of the likes of looney tunes bugs bunny look at look at the fur the fur suits that people wear they look like cartoon characters they don't look like animals now certainly there's that guy who made a

costume to be a dog you Have you seen this guy? Where it's an actual dog suit and he looks like a dog, but it's kind of obviously a guy. Fur suits look like Bugs Bunny and variations of that. It's clearly a psychological identification because of cartoon animals they watched when they were kids and attached to for some reason. What do we call animals that want to be people? Fleshies. Repressed. Repressed. and anthropomorphs oh that's right yeah it's very it's all very greek myth like greek mythology maybe too you can not just blame bugs bunny you can blame zeus for becoming this one it just goes on forever do you think there's going to be a massive backlash so so let me let me let me address this comment here someone said furries didn't exist in the 40s and 50s when they aired, though.

Right. So what happens is, you get Looney Tunes, and its social emergence represses anybody. So you have to be born in the 40s and 50s. Not the parents. It's not like some guy who's in his 30s watches Looney Tunes and then goes, I must dress like a rabbit!

No, he has kids. Those kids watch it, but when those kids grow up there is no community of people who do this and so they might have an affinity for it it's suppressed by society but as time goes on especially into the era of the internet and with the expansion of these shows there's animaniacs there's tiny tunes there's fuck tons of shows with anthropomorphized cartoon animals you end up with people with an affinity or an identity related to this, and they go online, and they can text with no one seeing their face,

and they can build a community around it. Now you start to see the emergence of all of these degenerate subcultures where people normally would be suppressed by the greater society out of fear of, I don't know, starvation. Now they're like, holy shit, there's a ton of people who will allow me to do

this thing and they will all one up each other every time one person engages in it and produces more content it expands it creating more and more and more of it it's the it's it's societal emergence it's only possible thanks to the internet and you know arguably the phone too uh when people were able to you take a look at early Christianity, the the idea of the fish symbol, you weren't allowed to be a Christian, you'd be killed. So they would draw a line in the sand. The other person would draw the other line forming the fish. And you knew you were now among a Christian. That is like basic and not that bad.

It's like a political idea and a religious idea and a faith idea. But when you get to the point where it's like pedophiles putting symbols on doors and stuff and now what's happening on the internet, pedophiles have secret meetings. They're trying to expand and gain power and they're trying to normalize their behavior. Human society today, American society, tolerates

some forms of this degenerate behavior to a degree until it starts spilling over. Case in point, you end up with like dude, if you dress up in a fursuit 50 60 years ago you'd be attacked and there likely could be a guy in the crowd who really liked what you were doing but knew i'd rather be on this side than that side now with the internet people in these subcultures are forming communities and they're protecting each other and now they're forming voting blocks. And they're creating conventions.

The one that's having the hardest time, for good reason, are pedophiles. But clearly they're gaining tons of traction in schools. And claiming that it's all about just sex education. But you can see how they're trying to normalize this stuff. Roger Rabbit was early furry propaganda. What about Space Jam and that Lola Bunny character? Like the original? Of course. people talk about it all the time is it being yeah being like a a jumping off point for all that stuff a big titty rabbit yeah yeah literally literally yeah yeah yeah we're screwed

it's crazy it's gotta go let's go to colors let's pull the colors right up let's do it all right you're gonna do your headphones with us Oh, poor thing's just a fucking awful movie. Someone just mentioned it. Alrighty, let's see here. Adventure Kyle. How goes the adventure? How are you, man? The adventures continue. Yeah. I had a question for everybody and I wanted to kind of

touch back to the Rome episode that you guys did on the culture war. So, I know that we uh rightfully often uh get mad at the neocon republicans for doing nothing uh however is it possible that they're merely adopting the fabian strategy first used famously against hannibal when he invaded italy whereby you don't directly um you know uh go against your foe, but you instead kind of try to fight them in small groups, that sort of thing, while kind of evading the main force, instead of interacting head-on, to kind of play devil's advocate for it.

The left desperately needs the right to overreact to get the Casus Belli, but they need to do a ton of the crazy far- stuff like the banding guns, that sort of thing. And so far, we've managed to kind of avoid being provoked in such a way that it kind of like gives them that Casaspelli. So is this tactical decision making or just cowardice and stupidity on the part of the Yukons? My gut says cowardice. Iity on the part of the new cons my gut says cowardice i don't know about you guys i um i certainly don't think there is a viable path forward that involves violence maybe there's a conversation to be had later on in the future when other like people ask like what point you know at what point do you grab your guns or whatever i'm like i don't know like the

holocaust i'm sure there's like slavery i i i'm not guns or whatever? I'm like, I don't know, like the Holocaust. I'm sure there's slavery. I'm not an expert on that line, but I certainly don't see it right now. If we get to the point where Joe Biden gets an army of like black shirted Antifa guys and gives them government authority to go around murdering, you know, people or whatever. There's an argument we had about self-defense or something. But my point is conservatives don't fight at all. Like neocons, conservatives are doing nothing to resist at all. What does he mean by the use of neocons there?

Well, do you want to do you want to elaborate? Yeah, what does he mean? What do you mean, sir, by neocon? I'm talking about kind of the do nothing Republicans. You know, it seems like they'll take action on some small things here and there but for the most part They generally just are completely absent from kind of leading the culture war You're asking why that's their posture. Yeah, like why you know, maybe is there something you know, I think I'm playing devil's advocate It's not actually my belief, but then I hear it, you know for my father and stuff like that like

You know if they overreact, then it just gives more permission for people on the far left to reach even further. So not to personalize it, but the figure of your father here, he's arguing that he's actually sage and savvy because he's more moderate and is unlikely to overreact, and thus, accordingly, Republicans are more likely to win with his strategy versus the sort of young Turk approach of aggression is, while potentially well-meaning, foolhardy and reckless. I guess to put a finer point on it, his position would be that the left will continually devour and eat themselves, and so long as the right doesn't kind of

engage in that same kind of level of violence and you know, I guess, overt action, they'll kind of be left by default. Yeah, I mean, look, I think it's certainly possible that, and it's happened, that the right can overreact in a way that's highly counterproductive and lose elections.

I do think, and I'm gathering this person is sort of older potentially and not just a boomer to put too fine of a point on it. you define left wing as increasing state power in America and moving culture ever more to the left, the ratchet has been naturally in that direction. And it's not like Republicans were super overreacting again in this frame, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s. So there's nothing particularly new about this. And, you know, there were left wing victories galore without an overreaction. Discover the magic of Bad MGM Casino, where the excitement is always on deck. Pull up a seat and check out a wide variety of table games with a live dealer. From roulette to blackjack, watch as a dealer hosts your table game and live chat with them throughout your experience to feel like you're actually at the casino.

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we praise and honor you as we praise and honor the dead hail to the brave warrior the bright shield focus was called to his kinsmen and friends may he live long in the memory of men and sit among his kinmen in valhalla nice where he will do battle for eternity yeah that's the way of it right um so really tim got a question for you i watched the senate hearing just like you did oh yeah uh why are the gop not pushing for an impeachment at this point honestly because you're gonna lose don't give democrats what they want are they really gonna get what they want though i mean i've if if we want to operate under the assumption that joe biden is the strongest

candidate as kerr was saying then sure impeach him get rid of him but i think many democrats would be like oh wait don't like trump is beating biden in the polls massively i got we got gen z siding with donald trump why don't don't don't fix my name broke johnson doesn't have the votes uh speaker johnson doesn't have the votes for an impeachment he has have i mean he has as of today sure sure sure but i mean like why is there no stronger effort after this to to go after joe biden i don't i think the republicans are basically like we don't want to because trump's going to beat him and do you want a Kamala presidency? I mean, if we impeach Biden, what happens after that?

I don't know that. Right, right. Impeaching Biden doesn't even do anything. I mean, I suppose they could impeach him for the PR. He won't get convicted, and then they can say he's been impeached. Yeah. But perhaps, closer to your point, they don't want Democrats to appear to be victimized.

Right. I still don't think they have those votes. I mean, those House seats they won in Southern California and in New York State, I'm not sure those people would vote. I mean, I don't want to entertain the argument, the merits of the case aside, that it actually would. I'll side more with the caller here, actually. I think it actually does make sense politically, just if you were being totally immoral about it to impeach

him because it's there's conventional wisdom that if you don't impeach the president he's not convicted or you do impeach him he's not convicted that it actually hurts the impeaching party it's actually not true i mean the republicans impeached clinton in 1998 the white house changed hands the democrats impeached trump the white house changed hands so like i actually think there is a real politic here to just impeach him. The reality, though, is that the House margins are so slim for Speaker Johnson. And he also, like, I mean, he doesn't know what to do. I mean, I think it's very clear that he's just, it's like my speech right now.

Like, he can't get it out. Like, I mean, the statements that he has are just increasingly Baroque. just it's like my speech right now like he can't get it out like i mean the speechments these statements that he has are just increasingly baroque he's he's like the uh the if you remember this sort of an old school reference that the dana carvey character who played george hw bush on snl and it's like uh george hw bush announcing that he was going to raise taxes it's just like i'm gonna raise taxes like that's like johnson on on ukraine raise taxes. It's just like, I'm going to raise taxes. That's like Johnson on Ukraine bill impeachment. He's just trying to survive.

McCarthy, to his credit, represented a faction, and he went. He's trying to be all things to all people, and it's working until now. Yeah. Yeah. Anything else to add? Oh, pardon me. I mean, that'll make sense thank you

well thanks for calling in sir cheers mate thank you maybe I'll start deporting Serge instead back to California with you alright I can't remember your name so Sir Turbo how you doing

welcome to WV again, by the way. Yes, coming to you live from Bridgeport, West Virginia. How's everybody doing tonight? Great. Doing well. Well. Nice day out, eh? Yes, it is.

I am not wearing a jacket, and just a few days ago it was snowing. What kind of weather do we have in here? That's right. Fake clouds make fake snow very much so anyway what are you doing off the weather and on to my question so um this is a question just in general for everybody um i super chatted about it last night but so i'm dominican right so i'm pretty close to this whole haiti problem you know we share a border and uh my question is basically with the whole situation and the fact that my home country is working its hardest to get rid of it you know like i said they ended birthright citizenship i think it was 2015 2016 so around the time trump took over and then um this year or this past year they started building a border wall and unlike the one trump got theirs is actually going to be concrete wow so my question

is yes so my question is basically like what can we do here to try and convince people that like do you want to end up like haiti or do you want to end up like the dominican republic you know like one island two totally different countries. So that's my general question is how can we convince the left and all these these crazies that want to end up beating people? Or do you want to end up on a resort island? I don't know. I mean, I feel like we are. The polls are shifting towards trump i mean what more can

be said the that tweet i put out where i said a vote for democrats is a vote to make the united states like haiti and a vote for the republicans is to vote to recover like el salvador it's got 5 000 retweets i think it's got like 3 million views something have you ever been to haiti i have not have you no no the caller i was asking yeah yeah yeah no yeah yeah i had a feeling it was for me so uh last time i went um we did cross over into haiti and at the time it was literally like sort of just walking across a bridge yeah and uh the craziest part is the night and day difference so the dominican republic it's lush green you know there's trees there's all kinds of things as soon as you walk into haiti it feels like you just walked into a

desert there's nothing the most vegetation i saw was a tree stump and uh some some like shrubbery like nothing yeah and it was just a night and day and this nothing changed other than just crossing over a river crossing the border and this was, I haven't been back in almost 10 years. It's kind of upsetting me because I've been trying to go back, but I keep running into life problems that are stopping me. But yeah, yeah, it's, it's, yeah. Like people say, if you go on Google earth and look, you can almost clearly see the border because one side is Brown, the other side is green.

Yeah. And it's just that country, that country has totally been mismanaged and you can almost clearly see the border because one side is brown, the other side is green. Yeah. And it's just that country has totally been mismanaged. And you can tell. And, you know, the U.S. has obviously not helped because they've occupied it multiple times. Yeah, I mean, the first thing they had the Dominican Republic relatively had going for it was that the border is a lot smaller. I saw a thing today that- Way shorter. Yeah, I think it's probably-

Oh, is it good? We should invade Haiti. No. 50 second state, let's do it. Right after Gaza, of course, or Gaza, pardon me. I will be greeted like liberators. Yeah. It's interesting.

I was watching this thing late last night and I wasn't sleeping very well and i i you see the uh the barbecue guy the yeah the facto leader of haydo of haiti sorry um he's wearing a free man yes did you discuss this last night sorry no we talked about not this part though oh okay yeah so nobody noticed it and i was just wondering is that just like random like whatever is like a necklace like no there's this entire history of freemasons in the caribbean like it's it's it's like that's like an actual i've not seen a very well done piece about the linkage there and you gotta remember that the haiti concept is uh the haiti uh dynamic is as old as this country

itself the u.s had a revolution in 76 and and uh the the haitians had a revolution 25 years later i mean yeah yeah i mean i mean the u.s was extremely concerned about uh the uh precedent of a slave revolt yeah and uh look obviously in no way a defense of the practice of slavery but the slave revolts themselves this is never worked i mean it immediately uh i mean the french revolution was bad but on a per capita basis the haitian revolution immediately descended into absolute yeah nightmarish bloodshed and there has been different periods uh that have been relatively more stable than others um but we are again just back in the abyss i was looking at the clinton uh influence over haiti and it's just insane. I mean, Bill Clinton made them basically destroy their crops to take all of like the crop of rice crops that is from Arkansas.

He thought it would help them. I don't understand. I don't understand what his, he has a whole apology video online. You can look up and he's like, I take the full responsibility for this. I don't know what it was. He said it, whatever this process process was it helped farmers in arkansas uh and i don't really know about that like beyond that but whatever happened it destroyed their crops i saw a i saw a funny thing that that somebody said that uh they should install claudine gay as the president of haiti

you know you know you know that you ever had the the mount gay rum no i don't know what that is i haven't had it that's her family wow really wow yeah yeah that's hilarious yeah i mean she's from a haitian oligarchy oh that's funny yeah so but so the bill clinton and the rice thing doesn't stop there it's just like then they the clinton foundation took over helping people out after the earthquake totally destroyed that because they sent all these trailers to help these people who were out of homes. And the trailers were filled with formaldehyde, like dangerous levels, and making people super sick.

The same thing happened after Hurricane Katrina. The same foundation through Clinton Foundation sent these bad trailers. And then Hillary influenced the presidential election. She was ambassador, went down there, and helped one guy get elected. And everyone, not everyone, but a lot of people in Haiti believed there was lots of fraudulent votes.

It's a Haitian election. Yeah. And then, yeah, there's another thing there. But I remember the funny thing when I was reading about was when the reconstruction was happening under Bill Clinton of Haiti, he called it building back better. Yeah.

It's like an odd phrase. They forced out the Amistad guy for Bush, but it was definitely like, it was the beginning of the Bush-Clinton re-bridging of the relationship. When they went down there? When H.W., so you remember H.W. and of course Bill ran against it

in 92 and it was a very bitter campaign but they became friends and thus according to the family became closer through the Haitian thing

there's some sort of who knows through human trafficking who knows if it's apocryphal but like stuff like you know like they had like one hotel room and he let

H.W. slept in the bed and Clinton slept on the floor oh my goodness who knows like these things are claimed of course in the various bi clinton slept on the floor but who knows like these things are claimed in of course in the various biographies right i've ever seen the pictures of them down there

they're sharing them in the media like look at this unity to fix haiti but literally they were destroying it there's a good there's a good um there's a good piece to be written i feel like about does any of this sort of philanthropic industrial complex stuff even work i mean haiti was like a sort of um you know sort of virtue signaling thing for both sort of center-left democratic secular types to do but also sort of like even right-wing christian types like we're just like send there you take pictures of the sort of poor african american people and like you know like everybody feels good they're getting drinking water but it's like if those are the only variables like X right like Western sympathy pity right and why being the result yep this is a

pretty pretty set it's really seems like a giant experiment honestly and then and then sympathy tourism and disaster tourism we've been throughout it with the president's going down there to help fix it. Yeah. And they also had the cholera outbreak, which was all, I think before that's before the earthquake. It's just been devastating. And then the guy you're talking about barbecues like 40 something. He's a cop beforehand.

Yeah. Must've been in his early thirties when the earthquake happened. So these people just living in a shithole. It's like they've been living in Haiti this whole time, man. Right. Crazy. Right. living in a shithole it's like they've been living in haiti this whole time man right right i never i never uh an uber driver in florida telling me he was from haiti and he was like this is early

on in trump's presidency he's like i voted for trump and i moved here because i want to be away from all haitians and at the time i didn't really understand yeah i thought he he was not really joking but he said it like a joke but now now looking back on that conversation, I'm like, no, that guy really didn't like Haiti and had to leave home. I had a, yeah, I had a similar conversation in October of 2016. It was like very late, like one 30 in the morning bar in Chelsea,

New York. And the bartender was from Juarez. And I just assumed he was like, he was going to get mad at our conversation. And frankly, he was like, and this is like back then I was like, I wasn't even really sure Trump's going to win.

Like the polling looked pretty bad. You know, I had been pretty bullish on his chances in 16, but you know, it looked really bad. It was like the week after Access Hollywood. And he was like, there was no chance Trump will lose. I am from Juarez. You've got to build an enormous wall between that country and ours.

And I was like, wow, this guy was adamant. And I was like, and I never forgot the conversation. So I think it's a fairly common sentiment, especially among some of the the older immigrants from yeah latin america oh i knew i knew a mexican man who uh on worked uh on a farm near where i grew up and when he drove by one day in his truck with a giant trump flag i was like huh interesting and i asked him he was just like i came here legally and it's ridiculous that like people can come here legally after i went through all these steps to do this stuff and he was just so, I came here legally. And it's ridiculous that all these people can come here legally. I went through all these steps to do this stuff.

And he was just so open about it. It'll be interesting to see what happens if there actually is. So again, not to take the pro barbecue stance here. Kirby's pro cannibalism? This one cannibal in particular. He did not. I believe he did not. Source is close to Kirby. He claims that he's called Barbecue

because his mother was a chicken vendor. He eats people to scare people, not for the sustenance. Okay. Let's say Barbecue establishes control and sort of renounces whatever practices that are potentially untoward. And he establishes a dictatorship in Haiti, right?

It's an interesting hypothetical question whether or not the US government dictatorship in Haiti, right? It's an interesting hypothetical question whether or not the U.S. government will accept this, right? Like, I'm not pro-dictatorship, but, like, it's got to be better than what they're doing now. And so, like, I mean, like, if what they're doing now is zero and a competent dictatorship is, like, a three or a four and, like, an actual functioning democracy like the U.S.

like 70 years ago was, like, a 10, should we not accept the better better not it's progress right yeah and like but you could see a democrat i'm just i'm just like you know like i'm not advocating for but if he's able to maintain control and he establishes some sort of weird masonic you know dictatorship state how do you how do you feel about the state of the united states right now yes we're above haiti sure sure sure but do you think that the state of the United States? Right now? Yeah. We're above Haiti. Sure, sure, sure. But do you think that we're facing an existential crisis? Oh, for sure.

Yeah. If Donald Trump gets elected and we go through standard procedures and the Democrats hang him up, cement his feet, can't really do anything, we will not resolve an existential crisis. It will just postpone for the next four years should trump be a mini dictator what i mean by that is like i really don't expect him to you know start arresting people arbitrarily i mean like should he use the full weight of the constitution and the law to start arresting uh corrupt politicians shutting the border deporting people yeah i mean i think we need to treat the border as a military problem. And I think I'm a foreign policy reporter by training. So, I mean, I think you just make

this stuff matters of national security. So trade and immigration should be matters of national security. And there we do have an imperial presidency for better or worse. He actually does have considerable leverage. And I think he should take his chance at the Supreme Court to militarize the border. Would we be better off the United States if Trump, after getting elected four years on, says, I am suspending the next elections and will remain in office for another four years until we resolve the crisis of corruption, polarization, mass deportation, et cetera, et cetera? I think that would be ill-advised. Yeah. Totally agree. I reject it.

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So you know the term zombie? Yeah. That's Haitian. That's Haitian. So it's a voodoo practice, and it dates back a very long time. And in fact, I asked my parents about it one time because um part of dominica republic we live in is very close to the border and they're like oh yeah we know about zombies and zombieism like wow it's kind of like we we think of it as like sci-fi

and they're like no it's real yeah so uh yeah so uh be careful with what uh barbecue might do because um not only will they do that But they'll probably resurrect those same enemies Can't backtrack now you're pro barbecue I'm barbecue skeptical to be clear I'm just I'm just saying What are our alternatives here

Thanks searcherbo Talk to you soon That's why they were calling them zombie votes What are the alternatives to barbecue The Dictator Cannibal Just now sims how you doing man Cheers That's why they were calling them zombie votes in that fraudulent question. What are the alternatives to barbecue the dictator cannibal? Just now Sims. How you doing, man? Cheers.

I'm doing great. That was a much more fun conversation than I'm going to have. I was calling in for Mr. Mills and to ask him, what does he see as, you know, in the D.C. swamp area? What does he see as the Democrats, liberals, leftists, whatever you want to call it, most effective talking point that could sway, you know, on the fence moderates? And what is the conservatives' best arguments against that? Okay. The most dangerous issue in this campaign is if the Democrats run on the IVF thing.

So, I mean, if they just, just hammer it, like it's not fully coherent because, you know, obviously Trump is not the most religious individual in the world, but if they just hammer it,

they're going to ban IVF. I think that the scare tactic. Well, I mean, look, there was that Alabama Supreme Court ruling, and Alabama has now protected the right in some form or another. But if the Republicans don't have their message of discipline there,

that this is actually not a key initiative of this campaign. I mean, look, we can get into this all day. People should be having children younger. You can make this argument. The reality is like, that's not going to happen right now. A lot of people do conceive children through IVF.

I'd rather have those children than not, frankly. And if the election becomes a referendum on IVF, this is like a nine to one issue. It's not even close. Abortion, you could argue is 50-50 or five to four or whatever. That would be the most effective way for a democratic route, in my view.

The Republican argument to counteract it, I think this is very clear, which is we're not running on that. I think the IVF topic is so fascinating, and I think you're totally right. I mean, in some ways, the way the left-leaning media seized on this issue as soon as the ruling came out to say, well, because of Roe, this is where we are when actually, you know, they're not totally related abortion and IVF. I could see the parallel, but they're separate issues. To me says that all of the you know, I can't tell you how many NPR reports I listened to that said abortion is going to be the issue in 2024. And that's because the left believes that's what Biden can win on, which you've talked about this couple times tonight. If you can keep the focus on the economy on trade and on the border, I think immigration in particular, it's much better to be a Republican

than it is to be a Democrat. But for me, the IVF issue is so fascinating because I think it's so poorly represented. And I think basically not talking about it but also uh always pointing back to the fact that the underlying case in the alabama court was about people who had made embryos that they wanted and that the hospital and clinic allowed a patient to go into the cryogenic nursery and drop the embryos on the floor right and so they sued under a wrongful death of a minor act like that is that's what happened at the core. And it became, they're trying to end IVF and fertility treatments because they hate you. Right, but that took a long time.

Because Democrats lie all the time. That took a long time to explain. And so if they, if they- I think they can, I mean, I'm not on the campaign trail, but if they can get it faster, if they can rebrand the issue. It's all just a waste of time. Look, if Republicans are like,

we think IVF should be legal, this is a convoluted argument about someone intentionally destroying embryos. And the Democrats just go, it's too complicated. They can't answer. So just say they want to ban IVF. Then what's stopping Republicans from being like, Democrats are trying to, you know, rape kids. I mean, they're in favor of child sex. I think in 20,

it's, okay, 2022 is complex. So, it's obviously was a, it's actually like one of the things Republicans did well. They invested in the court

over a generation. They overturned, in my view, which was a not good precedent, which was settling the abortion issue by judicial fiat,

by dictatorship, as opposed to leaving it to the voters in state by state. I disagree with that. What do you mean? I don't believe the question of whether or not a person in the United States has constitutional rights should be left up to states to vote on. I don't agree. So you think that Texas could vote

that black people can be slaves? No, no. I think this particular issue, abortion, should be handled state by state. Are the unborn humans? I think it's, for the legal purposes, I believe it is state by state. Are the unborn human? I think it's a complex issue. I think it's a complex issue. So you would not classify the unborn as a life or human?

I think it's... My personal vote is not particularly important here. Like, if I were specifically voting, I would vote for way more radical abortion laws than are currently on the books in my place of residence. All right, but it's a simple question. Are unborn babies human? I think they're neither. think it's it's an

intermediate stage so they're not human they're not i i think there should be more rights for unborn for fetuses okay i think that's it's a fairly progressive position the conservative position is the unborn are humans they're they're, they're alive. That's that question answered. Okay. The progressive view is, I don't know, it's an intermediary stage. No, no, no, no. The progressive view is that rights exist absolutely

with the women, the women can do whatever they want with it. Right, right. I think we should have less abortions in the United States. Yeah. I think we should have legislation that gets that done. The question with Roe is constitutional rights extending to the unborn and one of the one of the principal arguments is viability if the child can survive on its own you can't kill it agreed agree with that agree with that yeah so that the issue is should we allow states to vote that a person is not a human and

has no rights and can be terminated by another person the answer is no i think the constitution of the federal government should dictate the constitution extends to all human beings in this country and it extends to non-citizens as well i think that the majority of americans don't agree with that and i think that would be a counterproductive use of political power it won't it won't solve the issue i'm not i'm not talking about i'm i'm not talking about the the solving'm not talking about the moral issue of are unborn babies human beings? I understand. And should the states have the right to vote away someone's rights? The answer is no.

That's it. The answer is no. There's no argument. There's no equivocating. There's no, but we wouldn't win or with that. No, no, no. It's quite simply, I will stand on a pedestal and say, I will lose. Fine.

I don't care. My goal, I don't want to lose my goal is fewer abortions in the united states and i want to get from x to y my goal is not my respect i i i do think this is why conservatives lose all the time to be honest i i think i think overturning i think overturning row is an example of a conservative win i i disagree why not well because well well i don't necessarily i don't know if i necessarily disagree on row specifically but my point is the federal government it is a question of the federal government and specifically the supreme court whether or not the unborn are guaranteed constitutional rights now just because row was wrong or or ruled incorrectly doesn't

change the fact the federal government at the judicial level should be asserting whether or not the constitution applies to the unborn does the constitution apply to to humans within this country and are the unborn human and if conservatives say let's not tell people what we think so we can try and win you lose because you're building no moral base among other people the left comes out and says that adults should be able to have sex with children and they should give children these these books that Snapchat had a photo said love has no age. They have no shame whatsoever to literally come out and say a woman should be able to destroy a baby at the point of birth. They scream it to the high heavens and conservatives are like, don't tell anyone what you really think.

Otherwise, we'll lose. Certainly, it's the opposite. Certainly, we have now Democrats going out saying at what was her name nancy tran was that her name i always confuse her name i think it was or it could have been kathy uh was it kathy tran i'm gonna make sure i get the the name right oh kathy tran i always say nancy for some reason quite literally saying to a judge that you can abort a baby at the point of birth yeah i don't agree with that but my point is democrats will scream it to the high heavens we believe you can end the life of a baby as it's being born and i think they're losing the argument and conservatives will not say you should not be able to kill the baby no no many conservatives will but too many conservatives go

let's not actually argue for our real position because we'll lose you're welcome to argue for your position but i think what is most effective way to handle this is not through the courts i i i i think democrats are clearly proving otherwise they roe v wade is overturned and in colorado they they they and all that's all that's done is fragmented the country not colorado the country is fragmented and so you can argue that in terms of less abortions overturning roe v wade is good yes but that doesn't change the fact the argument is the federal government should the supreme court specifically must answer the question are the unborn protected under the constitution that's

it that's the question they have answered it they say it's a state issue so the states can vote that black people should be slaves no no no they can't that's solved by the civil war this is no it's not solved by the 13th amendment yeah so there should be a 27th amendment human beings in this country uh so the problem with the 14th amendment is that i know the 14th the 14th i believe actually does outline at the equal protection yeah right it actually does uh let's pull up because we've had this argument a million one times oh god wrong here we go uh let's see let's see uh no person shall be uh no no the validity of public debt no no all persons born or naturalized united states are subject and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United

States, of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States, semicolon, nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law, nor denied any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the

unborn persons. So you want it to be interpreted under the 14th Amendment? I believe it already was. I believe the Constitution... The Supreme Court has not interpreted that. Exactly. The Supreme Court

needs to answer the question, does this clause of Section 1, the 14th Amendment, that no person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process,

does that apply to the unborn? I think if the court... Are the unborn persons... If the court does that in 2024, which they're not going to do, but if they were to do it, then the Democrats would sweep to power and they would pass their own constitutional amendment overriding the precedent, which in my view would be counterproductive. Then you've already lost. No, we haven't lost currently. So if the issue is that the culture of this country is accepting of the idea that the unborn can be terminated

at any point, then... It's a moral loss. The country is torn on the question. The question is about making it less. How do you do that the fastest? It's not about making ourselves feel good, in my personal view. Do you think abortion is murder? I would not personally engage in an abortion.

I don't... I gotta be honest like why it's so hard for you to answer these questions because i want to have less abortions so is abortion murder or no my goal is to have less abortions is abortion murder yes or no i would not personally do an abortion is abortion murder yes or no tim i think i've said my piece right you can't answer the question i don't think that language is useful. Is it because... So is the answer no? I gave you my answer. If he were to answer you, what's the next point that you want to make?

That's it. I mean, is an unborn baby in the womb a life? Is that life protected or is it not? These are moral questions that must be answered they must be answering at the at the country as a win for you because you want to win the white house back is that is that but but is that what you're saying because like in my opinion the moral loss of knowing that parts of the country is still allowed to murder under certain states is worse off i mean there are obviously echoes of slavery here, but I would like to resolve the abortion

question where we have very few abortions in the United States without a civil war. That's my goal. You think it gets there? Yes. I think the science is not good for the pro-choice position. I don't think that matters. It does for me. I mean, like the moral weakness uh like the rape and

incest argument also makes no sense like there's no moral consistent logic among the pro-life position the left position i can understand because it's unabashed murder power gluttony greed list seven deadly sins we can kill a baby whenever we want we don't think they're babies we don't care vosh comes on this show and says i said at what point does a human become alive and he goes a few months after it was born they have no problem i understand i'm not that person though you can take a baby into another room and kill it that's not that's not what i'm in the north of argument but the right is terrified to actually say that but you're arguing i should take an extreme position extreme you're arguing i should take an equal and opposite position with that no i'm saying what do you why do you want

to stop abortion oh because i think i think it's barbaric what's about what what is what is barbaric about it have you seen the procedure is horrible right right but like what is what does that mean it's barbaric i mean i don't want to get into it but i mean the videos are well how about this what are the videos showing? The removal of a fetus from a mother is terrible. The removal of a fetus, that's like a birth, right? Like when the baby is born, it's removed from the mother. Discover the magic of Bad MGM Casino, where the excitement is always on deck.

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iGaming Ontario. When a baby is born, it's removed from the other, right? So you're talking about birth? Elaborate. What do you mean? I really don't want to

debate this any further. Well, I think the issue that I take... I would like fewer abortions in the United States. Granted. And I am sick and tired of weak morals

among Republicans who are unwilling but what what good will it do for the for the conservative pro-life position save lives if we just yeah maybe maybe like maybe the issue that i see is that democrat republicans are centrists who say don't actually and there's a lot of there's a lot of unabashed conservatives we're now seeing with like the maga movement certainly like the likes of carrie lake marjorie taylor green will have no problem answering any of these questions i've asked you know they would outright say it is murder it should be stopped all of it should be banned seamus cogg will come on the show what if

carrie lake loses an election i mean what good is to do if gallego is elected and he he it's it's just fascinating to me that democrats will beat the living fuck out of conservatives every single day and they will crush them in elections. They will lie, cheat and steal 24-7. And the argument is, well, we better lie about our positions. Maybe we'll win then. So I'm like, I haven't lied to you at all. That you won't answer any of these questions.

I answered your question. No, you didn't. Come on, spare me. It's a basic question. Is abortion yes or no? You can say, honestly, I have no thought on whether it is or isn't. That's a fine answer. You just said, I don't want to talk about it at all.

That's my answer. Okay, great. So, why do you want to stop abortions? Because they're barbaric. What does that mean, it's barbaric? You don't have an answer. I think it's a grim thing. It's a grim fact of human existence. I would like it to be extremely limited. I think... What does that mean, it's grim? I mean, it's really simple if you ask me. It's destroying life. Okay, I understand. I understand.

I don't understand your moral position at all. It seems arbitrary and illogical. I want less. For no reason. For no reason? Come on, you know why. I don't know why because you won't answer the question. And you don't have to.

That's fine. I understand. There you go. So what I see every single day is, and I'm not pro-life. I think there are nuances in the libertarian argument of constitutional limitations as it pertains to a life attached to a woman that can't survive on its own and whether a woman is obligated under the law to provide her body to it and under what circumstances.

Particularly, if the woman shows to open her body to a life, she has effectively become a body. She has provided her body to that person. She now has an obligation for at least nine months. But if she was raped, now there's a question of you cannot, the government cannot mandate a person give their body to that person she now has an obligation for at least nine months but if she was raped now there's a question of you cannot the government cannot mandate a person give their body to another person against their will these are very difficult questions that need to be answered what frustrates me is i watch the republicans all day hemming and hawing with robert her and getting nothing and we get robert her who outright admits joe biden's a criminal and

breaking the law and republicans do nothing and when donald trump is in office what do we get Robert Herr who outright admits Joe Biden's a criminal and breaking the law. And Republicans do nothing. And when Donald Trump is in office, what do we get? We're not going to go after Hillary Clinton. Would you prefer if he indicts him and the Democrats win the election because it's seen as an overreach? But why would that be the case? I think it's an overreach. I don't think that Trump should be indicted for anything. And so right now.

I think they should both be not indicted. I think criminalization of politics is bad. And so the issue that we have right now is Trump is not winning on that argument in fact he is losing that argument he's up in the polls because of the economy because you because so says you i think a lot of says the polls that show immigration and economics are the number one issue but also his poll numbers if the x variable is the indictments and the y variable is the polls they shot up at the time he started getting indicted last spring there there is a a loose correlation between donald trump's indictments and poll increases but the number one issue i think it's pretty severe and when you ask people why they

say immigration economy i i'm not denying that in fact one of the worst elements of the republican party is that when i talk to people and say, are you going to vote? And they say, what's the fucking point? Republicans don't do anything. We talk about all day on the show. I mean, we when the midterms happened and we were all like, oh, shit, the Republicans got a narrow majority. Everyone in the show are laughing, saying, and now they will begin to do nothing. There will be no inverse January 6th committee. There will not be no 529 committee. There will be no there will be no deep or serious investigations. And anything we do get will be political bickering that will be like, here's why we think Hunter Biden's bad, whereas Democrats indict, condemn.

They're literally hunting down grannies over January 6th. And then I'm supposed to believe that even Donald Trump, who said he was going to arrest Hillary, lock her up and then did nothing. And that's fine. Arguably, initially reasonable. We end up with them framing the president for treason, aiding and abetting and working with the Russian government. And still the Republicans do nothing. How am I supposed to make the argument that this is the right choice when Republicans are the, quote, slowed down Democrats party? And they're terrified to express their actual positions because they think they're going to lose when they're losing. If Trump is reelected in November after the Democrats indicted him 95 times, that is going to be a grand rebuke to these tactics.

Sure, sure, sure. And I think the grandest mistake Republicans could make would be to adopt the exact same tactics that our voters are about to reject. And that argument plays in 2024. That argument doesn't play in 2021. I'm existing in 2024 2022 happens and so i i i've had this argument over and over again and one of the funniest things about uh about electoral politics every cycle is that if libertarians voted conservative or republican

the republicans wouldn't win every time i mean it's five million more votes in all of these states that you know the libertarian party gets about five million or whatever votes i think that's probably a net republican accrual but i think some democrats vote libertarian and if the libertarians decided to vote it's it's the meme where it's like uh a guy says i'm not gonna vote republican because i'm a libertarian and then it shows and there's like crude bit you know paint, paintbrush drawings, uh, Democrat wins by one vote and then bans guns because libertarians don't want to vote Republican. Now I understand that libertarians don't like the Republican party, but one of the reasons is when we have any libertarian on, they say, are you joking? What do Republicans even do?

They win the house. And then are there any rebukes of, of what the Democrats have been doing with January 6th? Nope. Just political pandering. And so for years, what do we get? Hemming and hawing, Republicans siding with Democrats. The Republicans don't actually have any power. Kevin McCarthy can't get anything done. Kevin McCarthy breaking his promises and the Republicans prove to be ineffective. Donald Trump gets elected.

He hires John Bolton. How do we win over these people and convince them that Donald Trump winning actually is a net positive? I can say, I vote for Trump. No new wars. Easy enough. Yes. Done. Agreed. I don't know that it actually will solve the problem of abject corruption in this country because Republicans are going to be shackled by Democrats in deep state. As Chuck Schumer said, they got six waves from Sunday of stopping you. And I see nothing from Republicans to actually do anything about it. Entering 2024. Now I say, well, shit, now we can't impeach Joe

Biden because of the economy and immigration, among other issues. Joe Biden is actually down in the polls and Republicans might actually win in November. The only problem they'll do nothing. Donald Trump may get his revenge tour. And I think the gloves are off and that's what I'm hoping for at the very least schedule F, but I do not have high hopes. And I think it would be, it would be disingenuous for me to go to any libertarian and say trust me this time it will change certainly donald trump is a big change but i i don't know that i see like you know it's a general net positive there will be sure less abortions and perhaps unless there is a fundamental cultural change in this country which is why all of the

investment that we do with tim cast i don't care to turn it to politicians at all it's build culture set up set up the casper coffee shop get people to organize uh get people to share ideas with each other start new shows we're doing big investment in skateboarding and we are we are invading the space that the woke have tried to take over because culture is how you win everything look i i trust you you're very well-meaning, but these debates are extremely old. I mean, if you just go back to the Civil War, similar debates were had between Lincoln and the radical Republicans over this exact nature.

And I just continue to side with Lincoln. If they had not won the elections in 1860 and 1864, the practice would have been prolonged. Yeah. But we can make ourselves feel good by saying we're the most against it and what what were the republicans doing and the abolitionists doing during the period of civil war they were bleeding kansas okay what what were they doing they were fighting over slavery like

so like you know john brown was shooting people in the face that was west virginia but yeah well that that john brown that was actually bleeding Kansas. John Brown and his sons were in Kansas. Yeah. John Brown walked up to his laborer. I think John Brown was executed for murder. Okay, treason, murder. I believe he was the first person to be hanged for treason.

Yeah, I think John Brown was a vigilante. Well, he's hailed as a hero. By some. The local casino has his face on there. I understand. On their 25 checks. I understand. I think that was not a use of his talents. he's heralded as a hero yeah by some the local casino has his face i understand i understand i think that was not a use of his talents so the abolitionists were violent not always not usually sure not always but i mean come on i think extrajudicial violence is bad yeah sure sure sure

but if if you were on the side of the abolitionists they were the ones that were engaging and going around and murdering people. I don't accept that frame, but okay. That's a fact. John Brown murdered people, yes. Bleeding Kansas was quite literally abolitionist forces going into Kansas and killing slave owners. And slave owners shooting back. I think that was bad. The slave owners weren't seeking out abolitionist factions in little cells hidden in caves and houses.

John Brown's house is down the street. Literally, you could walk there in half an hour uh well maybe 15 minutes the the the the abolitionist forces were accruing in slave like slavers had farms with slaves i know and they had shoe shoe shoe factories and things like this the slave owners were not seeking out abolitionists to kill the abolitionists were seeking out slave owners to kill okay when abraham lincoln gets elected before he's inaugurated seven states said this is the end of slavery we secede i think slavery is a really really bad thing abraham lincoln did not abolish slavery abraham lincoln abolished slavery in in rebellion states and preserved it in states like maryland

and delaware and he won the war and he won the war. And after that... They passed the 13th Amendment. 13th and 14th. Yeah. And then you got the Reconstruction era, which almost evolved... But Lincoln also tried to avoid the Civil War. Sure, but he started it. The South started the Civil War. They seceded.

But that... He said he... The secession isn't a war. Yes, it was. The secession caused the war. Caused is not the war right you could argue the union fail would not accept that the south would leave well so the the the they also they also didn't accept that they were the lawful representatives of the people in the states that

this was an extrajudicial uh or an extra legal body that had claimed themselves to be the representatives of the south do you think that that the American War for Independence was wrong? No, I'm a big supporter. But you do know that Britain abolished slavery well before the United States did. I think it was like 1820s. Discover the magic of Bad MGM Casino, where the excitement is always on deck. Pull up a seat and check out a wide variety of table games with a live dealer. From roulette to blackjack, watch as a dealer hosts

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Yeah, easy to do when you're not an agricultural nation. And it is argued that if the United States lost the war for independence, the Crown would have abolished slavery in the States, which likely would have resulted in a civil war. The British were unbelievably cynical in the civil war i mean i mean half the british were pro-confederate lord palmerston palmerston had confederate crown decreed in in in the commonwealth states the end of slavery which would have resulted in conflict

in in the in the colonies in the states okay where the southern states would have been fighting against the crown and it would have been a different kind of war for independence but mostly just to keep slaves ultimately might have reinvaded my point is you know i don't know we bring up abraham lincoln we probably should just wrap it up because we're going late but the uh the union forces were like there's no good guys in the civil war there's slavery was an atrocity and it should have been stopped we all agree on that and the union decided to commit atrocities and defend slavery in the process which makes the union defended slavery 100 they defended slavery lincoln's administration first of all not only was lincoln and uh he wanted to ship all the the black people back

as a younger man not a younger man they while he was president, they wanted to send him to Lincolnia. Yeah, but they created Liberia. That was the 1830s. He didn't create Liberia. Oh, sure, sure. Former slaves did. It was founded under... Yeah. Abraham Lincoln, when he issued the Emancipation Proclamation...

Military maneuver, yeah. Yeah, it defended slavery in Union states. Yeah. Yeah, he defended slavery. He did not say slavery is hereby abolished he said if you've turned against us we'll take your slaves from you and then he said for maryland and delaware you're good and i think west virginia and before he before the first thing he did with his second term his position was not election was not abolition his his his uh his

election was the suspension of expansion he said where slavery exists it will remain look he was obviously a politician sure but the first thing he did when we elected was passed the 13th amendment there was uh i mean you can argue states and reconstruction and then there's deep politics of it but the point i'm making is not that you know i i do think it's good the union won but i don't see good guys in the fight between the North and the South. You can argue that there is good in the ending of slavery, but then you can also argue there is bad in the march to the sea, the ransacking of homes. Oh, sure.

Yeah, they murdered slaves. There is good and evil people on both sides. But I think Lincoln was an able statesman who won the Civil War, and he had clear anti-slavery sympathies and was very good at achieving his ends. When I think about, you know, a lot of people like to compare what's going on now to, say, Weimar Germany or the Spanish Civil War or the American Civil War. It's fascinating because there's a reason why the left views themselves as the inheritors of the republican party of 1860 and it's because they are the ones who go around shooting people in the face but it is it's true

they have the john brown gun club they they they they they're psychotic but they view the uh the slashing of portraits the torching and destruction of of artifacts and statues entire cities entire cities this is what the abolitionist forces did john brown seized a train down the street from here yeah i think this is bad on both sides and tried to lead a slave revolt but it is this but the side that won is a side of aggression i i don't think brown was actually particularly helpful i mean i mean how about this the confederates had a very strong first three years i mean the south could have won instantly they chose not to could not have won instantly that's that's actually a fact no they were completely outmanned the first battle of bull run ended with a confederate victory and

they decided not to march i understand and then and then the north has fought a battle of attrition if they won if if the confederates marched into dc the war ended no they wouldn't move the capital and they would have kept the war going i mean we can argue what would have happened after the fact it's counterfactual but i mean no no it's a fact that the confederate forces i just did not advance in the first in the battle of benesis and they could have taken dc and taken the capital yes i'm not debating that they could have occupied and they could have restrained and captured politicians. They could have forced a lot. And it was only because their supplies were being destroyed by an invading North that they eventually decided to make the move on Gettysburg, which was a major catastrophe for a lot for a variety of reasons. But the South had every opportunity very early on.

But they kept doing the we just want to be left alone. And the North said the South want to be left alone. Yes. The Southern states seceded. I understand. Abraham Lincoln then called upon a force to be amassed in Union states to shut down the South. The votes in, they were fourth, I think it was Virginia,

the original capital was like in Alabama, Montgomery. And so when these states were two to one against secession, and Abraham Lincoln said, we're now going to call all your men to fight to go stop the rebellion. That's when sentiment flipped. And they were still, it was still like two to one. I'm not disagreeing. He had to actually go and arrest a third of the Maryland legislature because they had-

In Delaware, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Really fucked up shit. But this is the North aggressing upon the South because the South was saying, we do not...

We do not agree. That's how it's called in the South, the war of northern aggression. Absolutely. But the issue is, plainly, the South says, we hereby dissolve ties. The North says,

no, you don't. The South says... I agree. And then the North invades the South. That's a fact. They didn't accept that they were lawful representatives fact they didn't accept that they were lawful representatives and they didn't represent that it was constitutional for the

union to be dissolved sure sure and so and so thus accordingly they thought they had the north and and ulysses grant wrote effectively essentially that if the south were to have won the war it would have just been a war for independence and they would have been right and righteous i mean i think they thought they were going to have to fight this country forever they would have tried to expand into the caribbean have new slave republics that would have been a geopolitical foe they're all they're all different motivations with lincoln administration well anyway there's no point debating civil war but the ultimate point i'm making is sort of a cliche yeah republicans have been my entire life.

I mean, they don't do anything. I mean, they don't organize. They don't get out the vote. They Scott Pressler is the most effective voter vote registration activist. He's ignored. They keep Ronna McDaniel in power. She's out now. Sure, sure. But maybe we can hope that within 16 years years we can see total reformation of the Republican Party and a reforming with a new generation of more based Gen Z.

But for the time being, all I see is weakness. Maybe it's this. Maybe it's shows like this. You know, I grew up an angry leftist, you know, and here I am angry at much of the exact same things the federal reserve's policies uh war for bullshit reasons but the path forward is with donald trump not with the democrats and probably never was obama was a liar and so i am quite frustrated at the weakness of the conservative the the conservative inc and perhaps that's why you end up seeing people say they're going to vote for trump because he says i'm going to lock up hillary and i'm going to bring it to the ground i agree i mean i think conservative inc's values are different than trump's values and that's that's why you end up seeing people say they're going to vote for Trump because he says, I'm going to lock up Hillary and I'm going to bring her to the ground. I agree. I mean, I think conservative Vink's values are different than Trump's values. And that's that's where you see the discord and disconnect. I mean, conservative Vink doesn't often agree with the immigration trade and foreign policy positions. I think all of us share from what I can gather.

So I'll read one comment. We'll just wrap it up. This is from Vete and we went we went way over he says tim is off the rails kurt knows how to win a political game tim doesn't and once again dug into his obvious moral argument spare me uh so i'll answer that and you see you got fans they agree with you on this one the left has won all of these fights for 20 years and they're not playing this game there's a video i'll play the video we have it let me see uh here we go listen to this how many genders are there i feel like there's two because like yeah but i feel like you either switch from a boy to a girl no stop don't switch back and forth stop stop stop i feel like it doesn't matter it doesn't matter whatever you want to be it's fine it's okay yeah but i feel like they switch back and forth like i know give it like it doesn't

really matter like there's like you can be anything you want to be it doesn't matter come on stop stop great i'm sorry i'm sorry how many okay maybe that's fake i don't know that's fake you think it's fake i think that's why is it fake uh i think that's just a manufactured video to make people on both sides of the political aisle debate this idea uh although but that might be fake that is a very real thing that does happen in society it's functionally real yeah though most people in this country will tell you outright child sex changes should be banned they will publicly on camera say child sex changes are a good thing because the democrats rule through terror and violence and i'm not gonna say i'm not gonna say that say what i'm not gonna say

child sex changes are good no no i mean most conservatives will say no but the average person is gonna be like dude i'll lose my job oh yeah i i i we have pro pro skateboarders they hit me up and they're like i'm terrified of what's going on it's so crazy if i say anything i'll lose my job i'll lose everything and i'm like okay well you know all that is required for people to triumph is that good men do nothing so congratulations you are you are that the the problem of the world that you know so this is my point conservatives keep playing the centrist game they uh trump was the first big ask he came out and he said we're gonna we're gonna ban to ban all Muslims coming into the country until we can figure out what the hell's really going on.

And he went extreme. He actually argued a counter position to the left for the first time I'd ever actually seen, because, you know, usually it was just the example I like to use is misgendering. Republicans say don't ban anyone. Democrats say ban anyone who disagrees with our ideology. Why don't Republicans say ban anyone who disagrees with our ideology. Why don't Republicans say, ban anyone who disagrees with our ideology? They don't do it. So as long as you're arguing from a centrist position,

then the middle ground is going to be center-left. Anyway, we'll wrap it up there. It's been fun. Thanks for hanging out with us. Appreciate it. And for everybody who is hanging out and called in, we'll wrap it up. Always fun.

Wild day. We'll be back tomorrow. Smash the like button, button whatever i don't know we're not on youtube anymore uh kurt thanks for hanging out it was a blast yeah no no it was good didn't mean to close up by debating abortion civil war oh it was good though it was fun uh and we'll uh thanks for everybody else we'll be back tomorrow and whatever you