Timcast IRL - Sunday Uncensored: Drew Miller Members Only Podcast

Episode Date: March 19, 2023

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Welcome to our special weekend show, Sunday Uncensored. Every week we produce four uncensored episodes of the TimCast IRL podcast exclusively at TimCast.com and we're going to bring you the most important for our weekend show. If you want to check out more segments just like this, become a member at TimCast.com. Now enjoy the show. How much feet of concrete do you need and how long do you got to be underground if a new hits? Yeah, we're talking about Fortitude Ranch and how how life underground would be there. You were saying it's not I don't know. You don't go too deep on it. Yeah.

I mean, people have a conception kind of from the Cold War that you needed these deep underground bunkers to survive. And you don't. I mean, you're a deep underground in the Air Force at an ICBM silo because, you know, the Russians are shooting penetrating high yield nuclear weapons. If you're in a remote area, you're very unlikely to have any nuclear weapon go off near you. And if you do, there's probably a ridge or something in between. And the blast wave, I mean, a building might get knocked down,

but a shallow underground shelter like we use basements, they're going to be just fine. When I went to Kiev, to go onto the subway is the most fucking insane thing ever. You have to go down hundreds of feet or like a thousand feet below the earth. DC's like that too. Is it? Yeah. DC's got a really deep subway system. They're probably trying to avoid water and, you know, there's so much stuff underground.

They're going way under that. But DC's like a swamp. Like, I don't know how you dig deep into the earth there. I could be wrong about that. I think D.C. is kind of deep. It would make sense considering it's D.C. But the reason Ukraine's stations were built so deep is because it's all communists and the communists were like, we're going to make everything

as efficient as possible. So they were like, we need nuclear shelters. We need trains. Make it both. Dig the trains extra deep. That way, in the event of a nuclear strike, the trains don't stop running. Can't take them out. But again, a city is a nuclear target. Rural areas, you don't have to worry about being deep underground. And you don't want to be. If there's a pandemic, the last thing in the world you want to be is deep underground,

sharing air with other people. So at Fortitude, you guys, the main concern is airburst, nuclear airburst that would drop fallout particles, dust particles on the ground. Yeah, or nuclear reactors. I mean, if there's a pandemic, the threat's not just the virus. So people aren't coming to work. So imagine you work in a nuclear power station. Avian flu H5N1 is spreading 60% lethal, maybe only 20% lethal. You don't come to work.

What happens if there's an operating nuclear power plant and none of the people come to work? Shitty bad things happen. I mean, you can't just turn the switch off of a nuclear power plant. It takes a lot of people and a lot of time to safely shut those things down. So in a pandemic, you're going to have things like nuclear power meltdowns and radioactive fallout from that as well. So you've got to be able to deal with fallout wherever you are. So at 14 Ranch, we have multiple radiation detectors. If it's fallout from a nuclear explosion, you'll see it. I mean, it looks like ashes and dust. So what we'll do is, you know, we'll put people inside, underground, but it's low-level

radiation. It's not going to kill you quickly. It basically kills you by increasing your cancer rates over time if you're exposed for long periods of time. But we won't be. What we'll do is we'll put our masks on, gloves, chem bio suits go out, and basically shovel up the ash just a little bit into wheelbarrows, cart it off the property, and remove the radiation,

use our radiation detectors to make sure there's not high levels of radiation. Does the rain wash it away? Well, rain washes it into the soil, so you radiation detectors to make sure there's not high levels of radiation. Does the rain wash it away? Well, rain washes it into the soil, so you still got it. Wow. So you have to shovel it right away. You best want to get it off as soon as you possibly can. Where do you take it? Where do you do it?

Off our property. What about some kind of like emergency canopy system to catch it? Like, would that be easier? No, because again, now it's catched in water. You still got to, you want to get it away from you. So, you know, there's a ditch or ravine, dump it in there. Radiation, again, it's all over radiation. A couple feet of earth will shield you.

That's all you need. My PhD dissertation was underground nuclear defense shelters and field fortifications for NATO troops. And three feet of earth is all you need it'll stop the vast majority of radiation long term and if you're removing it then you don't even have to worry about being underground after people don't understand this too but water water blocks uh radiation a lot of things you know a lot of things will block you can uh you can if you dig like if you had like a concrete block and then you filled the outer perimeter with water, that water is going to block a lot of radiation.

But if you're talking about, I'd imagine, blasts, then earth is way better because it's going to help stop the shock wave as well as the radioactivity or the, yeah, the radiation. So you can deal with the radiation and fallout. If you know what you're doing, you've got the equipment, you've got the radiation detectors and expertise, it's not that big of a threat. You can handle it. Do you have Faraday cages? We do, but they're really, the threat from EMP, especially to cars, is really exaggerated. And for radios as well. The big threat to your radios, your ham radios, people leave their antennas connected. Your antenna is a huge collector. Any kind of EMP, almost anywhere near you, is going to fry your radio. If you do simply first just unplug the cables from your HFAM radios, that will protect you a lot. Now, if you want to take that radio now and put it in a Faraday cage, a metal

cage, but it doesn't have to be fancy. You buy the metal trash cans at Walmart or Tractor Supply, that's a Faraday cage for you, too. That will work for you. Those work? They do work. Wow, I didn't know that. And again, so the EMP threat to cars, you know, people read the book one second after and they think, oh, my car is going to be ruined. And I'm not talking about a Tesla electric car, but a normal fuel-injected car. I've worked with Air Force engineering companies who work on EMP protection for the Air Force and Strategic Command, and they assure me that it is very difficult to knock a car out. Why? It's in

a metal cage. So it's a metal cage shielding all its parts, so it's very, very difficult for EMP to take out a car. So cars will work, even if there's an EMP effect and if they're affected. The engineer told me that they had such a hard time. The only way they could get a car to be hit by EMP was if they connected a cable to the

exhaust pipe and zapped it. That's the only way you could get them. And even then, it knocked the car off and it restarted. So the threat to cars, people are- Movies. Preppers even. It's greatly exaggerated. Your cars will work in any is it

just like a solar a giant solar flare that would annihilate and fry every car no it's any kind of computer think back to the uh the carrington event that was one in the 1800s that was really bad and it affected telegraph poles so antennas wires'll collect it. That's why the electric system is so vulnerable. All those big wires, they collect the solar flare EMP and it all comes into that big transformer and it literally blows them up. It fries them. So big antennas, that's your real threat. If you're not connected to a big antenna or a wire, you're probably aren't going to be fried by EMP. So like your computer stuff, is it better to have it unplugged? Is it more resilient if it's unplugged from the wall? Much better to be unplugged from the wall, yes.

Okay. But, you know, back up your system, back up your computer. You know, most people aren't going to do that. You're not going to think of it. So back up your computer system. Keep that backup dry. As Tim said, in a Faraday cage, simple trash can. Now put it in the basement is better than, you know, on an upper floor.

But you put a backup computer, put your X, if you've got more than one HF radio, ham radio, stick all that extra electronic stuff in a trash can in the basement. And that's what we do. And we've got a lot of basements and underground shelters at Florida Food Ranch. So that's where we keep stuff. But even if you've got a radio upstairs, as long as you disconnect the antenna. And by the way, just one last detail.

On an HF radio, you normally have multiple antennas to select from. You buy a selector switch. If you've got two antennas or three, buy a selector with four. Then all you do is you switch to the there's no antenna there thing. And so rather than having to unscrew your cables, you just switch to there's no antenna there, and your radio than having to unscrew your cables you just switch to there's no antenna there and your radio is going to be pretty safe bow fangs are cheap too though yeah yeah 30 bucks even for one of those cheap handheld ones yeah that's not a chef so that's not long what's the best are like a shortwave radio on the market or a really good one because I'm looking to

get one well if you're just listening if all you you're going to do is listening, you can buy cheap things. Almost anything will work. And that's another good thing to keep in your metal trash can in the basement. If you want to transmit and operate, now you're going to spend $1,000 at least on a decent HF radio. We use the Icom 7300 is what Fortitude Ranch has standardized. It's a really nice 100-watt HF radio.

ICOM 370. I've got to look that up. 3,700, sorry. Does that have the Motorola connector? Because I've got, like, comms and, like, headset. Yeah, it should. It should have all that. But the nice thing, it's got an auto-tuner in it.

And, you know, HF radio, you're bouncing out the atmosphere. It's not automatic but we've got a fortitude ranch with all our different locations is we're going to have a net so at different times of the day we'll be trying on different frequencies to connect and we'll never get all of our locations to talk at the same time you can't do that it's just not feasible when you're scattered across the u.s But we should get times where frequencies of the day where everyone in the western U.S. can reach Fortitude Ranch, Colorado. Everyone on the east can reach Fortitude Ranch, Tennessee.

And now if they can connect, we can relay and do it. And that's important because we've got doctors and clinics at every location. But, you know, we've got like one gynecologist at Fortitude Ranch, Texas. So if there's some doc somewhere else has a patient and can't get a hold of the rest of the world, we can collaborate that way. What about helipads and airstrips? Airstrips are near us.

Helipads, you could land a helicopter at any of our locations. We've got plenty of open area for that. I won't tell you what airfields because we keep our locations secret, but most of our locations are near one. Fortin Ranch, Nevada is big and flat. We actually have an airstrip under construction there. Now, it's an airstrip where tail draggers can land easily. It's a dirt field.

I fly a Diamond Star. I might be able to land and take it off there. There's a good chance I'm going to damage my undercarriage, but I can do a safe landing there. I might not be able to take off with a normal plane do you guys use hand do you guys use handheld commo at all uh yeah for short range for vhf and uh absolutely you know for guards to talk back and forth is is uh h5n1 your biggest concern when it comes to the 50 categories of collapse or whatever pandemics are my biggest concern because they're so bad in effect. I mean, if China launched a nuclear attack on Los Angeles, that's a lot less threat to us than a pandemic. A pandemic can, you know, look at this. Can I get back this on? This is Ray

Kurzweil. He's an artificial intelligence expert. He's probably one of the most brilliant scientists of our era. He was on an army science advisory group, and this is what he warned. Pandemics, bioengineering is so easy to do. It's so widespread. And he compares it to nuclear weapons, and he says it's far more destructive. In a nuclear war, even a big Soviet or Chinese-U.S. nuclear exchange, maybe we lose 10 million people. When you've got a pandemic, no one's coming to work. There's no food production. That's where you get to these 90% fatality levels. So pandemic's worse than a nuclear, big nuclear war in terms of people who will die. And that, is that assuming that there's no clean water? It's just because there's no food production and people will be killing.

The marauding, you'll either starve or you're going to be shot if you don't have the supplies and the ability to defend your supplies. Like one of the things about COVID, the pandemic, I put it in air quotes, is because like, yeah, if there was no soap and water, we all would have fucking died. It would have been horrible. But we all had clean water and we were all able to clean ourselves up. It was a non-event. It was not a collapse event.

We said from the day one, COVID-19 is is not a threat this is not going to cause a collapse this is you get banned on youtube for saying that well i'm sorry the worst damage was from government restrictions and rules that they did it was not from the pandemic it was not from there was no collapse so speaking of government restrictions being a problem if some shit hit the fan there was like uh people were trying to use their shortwave radios. I think you're supposed to have a license. Yeah, in a collapse, you don't need it. Now, to practice on our net, yeah, we have all our ranch managers with their licenses.

But in a collapse, no, there's no law. You were talking about hunting or so earlier, you know, you have to have a license to hunt. Well, in a collapse, I'm sorry, you're talking about following an animal to water. Most animals are going to be wiped out in the first few days. I mean, we're poaching every living creature around us. Oh, pigeons gone. You know, we're shooting them. We're making deer jerky.

We're shooting turkeys. We're shooting wild hogs in Texas. People in New York are going to eat all the pigeons in one day. They'll be gone for a long time. My God, we saw a rufil sawaw rat the other night in D.C. They're going to go outside with a big net. They're going to put a bunch of garbage on the ground. The pigeons will come and they'll just chuck the whole net.

It'll land on top of the pigeons. Then you scoop it up and then they'll just drag the pigeons and they will eat pigeons. So are there situations where people are like, bets are off. I'm using my shortwave radio without a license. I'm hunting without a license. And then the government will still be like, no, it's over when we say it's over we're gonna come find you there'll be no one to enforce hold on the crazy thing that no one talks about when you watch a show like the last of us is the weapons innovation that's going to rapidly occur with no government regulations everything we've

been doing with our weapons like i got the sig m400 from crowder it's a five five six yeah imagine if these companies and gunsmiths could do whatever they wanted without fear of the government coming after them there's going to be some crazy ass innovation rapidly we have all this knowledge on how to use how to use these guns how to make these guns and restrictions because they will throw you in a box but people are going to do some crazy ass fucking shit the moment they get an opportunity to yeah people people are doing crazy ass shit right now and it'll come out as soon as there's nobody looking yep i mean the fact that 3d printed guns what was the liberator was it the first one fg uh fg9 the fucking fg9c fuck gun, fuck gun control. Fuck gun control? Yeah, FGC-9.

FGC, and it could shoot like one bullet and it would get damaged. You can maybe get one. Now they're really sophisticated and they got full auto. Imagine what they can do with guns. Yeah, but the problem is almost every company, they source from all over the world, and there is no sourcing from all over the world and it collapsed. You may not be able to source locally. So unless you got stuff stockpiled um your company's not going to produce

no for sure but once the government's out of the out of the way i'm saying i'll put it this way in egypt during the 2013 revolution they were making pistol shotguns themselves they manufactured these break action guns that you'd open up put a shell in and close and then people are going to be doing crazy ass shit with the stuff they find are there like i'm gonna pull that up you're gonna see stuff like grease guns yep you know things that are going to be like fashioned from other things that are going to become a regular occurrence that are going to be easy to produce that don't necessarily need like a forge shinzo shinzo abi was killed yeah with her hand you hand you know homemade gun in japan and very true they're essentially

yeah you're checking this shit out look at this local egyptian guns 12 gauge revolving shotguns made from bits of air rifles look at this shit these people were just like i am going to find a way to fucking shoot you exactly well i I think in a collapse, there'll be guns aplenty. It's more the ammunition, the other stuff that'll be short supply. Yeah, I think people don't realize that you can't just put any... It's like video games. You can't just walk and go on an ammo box and put in whatever

ammo into your thing. Y'all have seen the pipe shotguns too, right? Yeah. Zip guns and stuff. I think things like potato guns, things like that, they're going to be way easier to just quickly build and that are pretty devastating. Yeah, like this thing. Yep. Grease gun.

Grease gun. Grease gun. Not really, but it's like one of the grease guns from World War II or like this Bren gun. It's a really simple design. Holy shit. Lasts forever. There's a video of a guy. He takes two pipes and you put a tack in the back of one and he just goes, boom.

Yeah, exactly. And then it hits the tack and then poof. Literal boomstick one, and he just goes, boom. Yeah, exactly. And then it hits the tack, and then... Literal boomstick. Yep. Yeah. Crazy, dude. Are there, like, levels of breakdown? Whereas, like, one could be the power goes out,

and communications are down for two weeks, or for unknown. But, like, the government's still fully operational, or maybe, like, some areas of the country are down, and they're like, we're going to act as if the power's out. We're using our radio waves without licenses. And then but in D.C., they're like, no, it's not. It's not down.

If if if the if something goes down like that, you can use you. You can use whatever you want, essentially, because the police are not going to be concerned with like small time people like if you're using your uh walkie talkie uh uh uh you know a license no one cares no one's gonna care you don't think that they'd be like we're gonna we're gonna find them and bring them the justice no it's just such a little small potatoes yeah it's it's it's such a using a uh radio or something you're talking about is that what you're talking about shortwave radio that kind kind of stuff. Those laws, you know, no one's going to get cited for jaywalking.

No one's going to get cited for using a radio that's in the wrong frequency. Yeah, like if the power goes out. If there's no power lights, no one's going to get cited. They're too worried about continuity of government. That's their focus. Their focus is the government surviving. They're all going to go to

Mount Weather. And what's the other one? Raven Rock. Here's your point on continuity government. And that's one of the reasons why a collapse is worse for us, because that is a priority of government. And they're number one priority. So that means that a mayor of New York City who has a small security deal and a collapse, he gets augmented because you've got to keep the mayor alive, right? And now the city council. And the governor always has state patrol people following him for security. In a collapse, they'll get more because they'll be worried about keeping the governor alive and the governor is worried about it. And so there's going to be a lot more policemen, state patrol that are assigned to

protecting the government authorities, and it extends to the heads of agencies. So FEMA is not just, FEMA is not focused on protecting you. They're focused on running Mount Weather and protecting top government officials. So there's less police and certainly less military and National Guard forces available to help you at a time where the threats are way up. Your best bet is... And a collapse... No one... If you call the...

Don't waste your time in a collapse calling the police. They cannot help you. They got to protect all the local authorities. They got to protect hospitals and critical resources from looting that they don't want to lose. Protect the police headquarters from being looted. And there's no way in hell they're going to ever respond a call for your from you for help get to know your local sheriff get to know your sheriff and like be an asset to your community so if your share if you know

the sheriff and the sheriff knows you likely the sheriff's gonna be like yo we need bodies ian come down here and the sheriff's gonna deputize a shitload of people right because the the sheriff's department doesn't have enough manpower to keep order if society breaks down like if there's a lot of looting and stuff like that so if you're in a small small town or a smaller area you should know your local sheriff not your police department know your sheriff because your sheriff will deputize cops aren't cops aren't the same thing as sheriff a lot of sheriffs are are uh elected so they're more beholden to the population they're more interested in what their constituents think and and how their opinions get to know your sheriff get to know your your those are your law

enforcement that you want to know are there p are there things that sheriffs don't have that we could provide in a situation like that like bodies other than other than my own body like uh i got the radios they're just they're stocked they're ready to go like i got the water i got even just reporting like if you see a threat at your place and you can report that to them hey there's a marauder group they didn't bother us but they're headed towards you know more field or whatever and you can report that to them hey there's a marauder group they didn't bother us but they're headed towards you know morefield or whatever and you can pass it on that would help but maybe video surveillance now that kind of thing would help you the thing is like you want to be you want to be an asset to the community for what they already have planned so your best bet again talk to your sheriff find out what your local what your

sheriffs are going to say asking me what a hypothetical or asking someone else what a hypothetical you know what you would be what would be needed in a hypothetical situation who knows but if you go and you get some first aid training and you can do emergency services stuff you you can put on tourniquets you can uh patch you know plug holes and stuff that kind of stuff is valuable and those are things that you should know how to do that's one of the things like every year i go and do uh handgun classes or at least at least one firearms training class and there's almost always first aid stuff included in it you should make sure that you have like first aid like you

saw what i have in my bag or my jeep there's a bunch of like i've got like 10 tourniquets in my jeep at all times i've got a bunch of blowout kits like if and it's it's not just for for like gunfights or whatever if there's an accident and someone has a bleed that's a serious bleed you need pressure compression bandages you need tourniquets and all that stuff like if i happen across a car accident and someone has a compound fracture where their bones sticking out i can be of service to someone with that stuff it's valuable in like a real world scenario like even taking like a woofer class like a wilderness first responder class you have to take those to be a raft guide if you don't take if you don't know really simple things

you can lose somebody really quick you know i did take long hostile environment training one of my favorite stories and what they would do is they would use the trainees as subjects in the training exercise we did one where i think the first one we did he was like we're going to break you up onto groups and then groups are going one at a time and then basically every they have a bunch of people standing in a market and they say your task is to go and meet up with your contact at this marketplace figure out what this what what your source has to tell you because we're journalists or whatever and then report back to your boss. What they would do is we would walk into this marketplace

and then randomly at some point they would kidnap one of the members of the group and invariably no one noticed a member of their group went missing. And then what they, so for me, I was actually the kid, the guy who got kidnapped.

So we walk into the market and then I hear a, hey, and then I look to my left and the guy is on the other side of the building and goes, come over here. And into the market and then i hear a hey and then i look to my left and the guy is on the other side of the building goes come over here and i walk over and he goes hey we're going to kidnap you all right let's go and i was like all right cool and then i walked to them behind the building and he pulled out a cigarette smoke and he's like so what do you do and i'm like i work for this company he's like oh that's cool and i was like

what's going on he's like we're gonna see if they notice you're gone and i was like oh okay and then he went over there and sure enough they were like who's gone because they were like we don't we they don't know me but that's the point when you're out with people you don't know everybody personally you're not thinking about my camera guy's name is john i've known him for 50 no you're like they sent a camera guy who was with us my favorite was when we went to a village there was a disaster so you've been called in to provide aid. You're the closest people nearby. Got a first aid kit. And so they told me to do whatever the fuck I wanted. So what I did up to one of the trainees and i pickpocketed the radio from him and then just left and went to the boss and i was like give him the radio i was like here you go and then he started laughing and he's like yep and then with the train the trainees they were supposed to call in in the case of an emergency and the guy goes starts filling his filling his pocket. And he's like, my radio's gone.

The radio's gone. The radio's gone. And then they're like, yeah, you're all dead. You weren't paying attention. Your communications are cut out. You're surrounded by a hostel. That's it. You're done.

And like the location they set it up was on a mountain with only two points of entry because there was a building. And then you had to walk through a narrow path into this back area where it's almost a sheer cliff down. And then one path in and out. Now, like, you are now cornered, trapped with no communications. It sounds like you're talking about situational awareness and, like, the buddy system. Is that something that's encouraged? A hundred percent.

Everyone has one other person. And you hold hands. And you sing but like that way if one guy goes missing someone at least knows who that one guy was in the military

they call it battle buddies you've got a person that's with you our wingmen air force yeah but yeah like it's super important

to have people that someone that knows you right you and one other person that you know him he knows you and situations like tim saying like they tend to tell people to count and just know the number and you do a count all the time right so if there's 10 of you everyone has a number and everyone go just count down if just so long as there's 10 then okay all the bodies are here like i was talking about have stuff.

This stuff right here, this is a blowout kit. This is a tourniquet. And then these for getting into people's clothes and stuff. This stuff stays with me all the time. This is everywhere. This goes everywhere. What's the blowout? What's the blowout kit?

There you go. Blowout kit is for if there's a gunshot or an arterial bleed. So if you're bleeding out so this is for you need to turn the kit pack the wound and then this has got the stuff you have to shove gauze and stuff they got bandages nowadays that have the blood clotting agent yeah you just put that on and it's not just a you know gauze and pressure it's got the blood clotting agent right and it's really really nice and they're not that expensive you can buy them in bulk. This stuff right here costs less. Like all this stuff here costs less than $100.

Right. And if there's an accident or something like that, I've got this with me on top of, again, the stuff that you saw in my Jeep. And it's like that's the kind of stuff that you should do if you're thinking about like I'm going to be a prepared kind of guy. I think this stuff is necessary if you carry a gun. You should have this stuff. If you're going to say that I'm prepared to put bullet holes in someone, then you should be prepared to fix holes. On another note, I carry a battery in my car, like an external charging battery to jump cars with. I think they say careful with those because if they get too hot, they can explode.

But, like, the value of having one just to be able to jump my own car or other people's like, whoa, maybe that's a good idea. You should be as self-sufficient as you can be because at the very least, then you're not relying on somebody else. If you take that woofer training, for instance, you'll know how to help yourself in the case that you get hurt. If you are injured or whatever, you are a liability for everybody like they say the easiest way to cripple an army is not to kill troops i mean that means they have one less person to worry about one less head to feed but to wound and injure and maim that's how you cripple an army because you have to take care of the next guy you know it makes it so much worse so if you can take care of yourself even to a little degree you know yeah that's going to help a lot back to

your point on sheriffs i mean i don't know if you've talked about it on the show, but have you been noticing all the sheriffs in rural county areas have been saying we're not going to enforce the state gun control laws? I don't know if you've had the Constitutional Sheriffs Association on your show, but you might want to get someone from them to come on your show. Because they understand that you want to have your citizens having a lot of arms because that's part of your force to help protect you in a collapse. Because there's going to be outsiders from the big cities are going to have to get out. They're going to have to go into the rural areas to survive.

And they survive by stealing, looting, and killing the local residents. And these people are going to die so fast. Yep. Do you know? These urban liberal types are who are gonna start starving and suffering what they're gonna do is they're gonna have meetings and be like we need food and they're gonna be like we don't have any and they're gonna be like well this is bullshit where do we get our food from they're like we're gonna have to go and take it

from somebody and then you're gonna have a bunch of weak limp-wristed people getting guns from the police morbidly obese police officers okay okay, a bit of exaggeration, but out of shape and obese officers being like, well, I guess we can go try. Then you're going to have rural police and rural country folk who chop wood all day, who have guns, not all of them, but more likely. So when the, you know, former military, the veterans are guarding, say, Fortitude Ranch, and they see some wadling, fat, you know, urban liberals who are desperate and starving, I'm pretty sure who's going to win that gunfight. Well, the dumb people will die early, but, you know, eventually, if the collapse lasts a long time, it'll be smart marauder groups. Right.

I just mean, like, in the immediate after the cities fall, you're going to have morons. Then I think you'll see the prisoners will, they already have gangs. The gangs will operate as gangs and they will use the prisons. Here's the thing. You know what keeps these prisoners in, Ian? Chain link fences. But like three layers of them and guard posts where guys have guns. If the guys with the guns are no longer there, now it's just a chain link fence. Now they go in and they grab bolt cutters and they go snip, snip, snip, and now there's no fence anymore. They probably wouldn't want to destroy the fences though. Family members would likely just get them out or gain access to the building. Some guard is going to leave behind a

bunch of shit and flee when shit hits the fan. Someone will walk in, open all the doors, and the prison becomes a fortress. I haven't spent a lot of time in jails, or prisons really, one in particular that I visited. If they're out in the yard, it's only just a fence. But if they're in the cells, it's like maglock doors into a into an area that's like a common area into their maglock cells. So like if they're in there, there's no coming out. And so what happens is of the thousand plus people in this particular jail who all have on average five immediate family members you have five thousand people who are saying i want my son my brother my dad out of prison they're not just going to be like my dad's in that jail i guess he's dead they're going to be like

i'm going to run a bulldozer through that wall and get my dad out prison breaks would be something i wouldn't even call it a prison break the system collapses and then the dude walks up and just opens the door they just walk in and then they press the button and the doors go and open up and then they say okay is it that prison break when there's no prison system anymore i don't know how one's stopping you yeah but is it like you need how do the guards do it do you know the guards just press the button you probably need a key card you might need a physical key but if there's no one guarding it bro you can kick a door open you can kick a window open so it's like prisons are going to be a bit more secure but somebody who wants their dad out of jail is going to accomplish that in 45 minutes i feel like with no resistance it's it's more

likely that marauders are going to come upon a prison where everyone's dead because they starved and then they're going to take it over. You think it would be the other way around? It's going to be easy to get out. Ian, you think. How many people do you think are in Rikers? I have no idea. Let's just say, no, no, the West Virginia correctional facility down the road.

Let's say there's 1,000 men in there. It's a male correctional facility. You think they have no families and their families will leave them to die. You think their families don't know they're in there. Oh no they all know i'm sure and and so so rick's dad is going to be like my son's in jail guess he's dead now or do you think he's going to be like i will fucking ram my car 100 miles an hour to get my son out of that building do you think someone some a son is going to be like my dad went to jail he's on a three-month stint in the correctional facility because he got caught pumping gas and didn't pay for it guess he's dead now

they're going to be like i'm going to steal the keys to that bulldozer that are probably sitting in it already because some of the construction guys leave it there and i am going to crush the wall of that building and get my dad out it doesn't even take that i mean it takes 50 guards to let's say run that facility well and as collapse is going on, there aren't 50 guards. There's 30. There's 10. By the time they're down to 10, the prisoners will be out. It's not just that.

There's going to be one guard in the building, and he's probably going to go, guys, everything's collapsed. Here are the keys. Yeah, the guard has no reason to stay there. Think about it. Like I said earlier, it's going to be a situation. As soon as cops stop going to work, as soon as EMS stops going to work, as soon as fire departments stop going to work, you think that your security guards at a prison are going to work?

They ain't going to work. They're staying home to protect their families. It's all about, like, the collapse of society happens, like, it sounds stupid to say it like this, but the collapse of society happens when society collapses like so like when society collapses that means things don't happen like they normally do people stop going to work that means that all the people that were keeping the things together stop being there to keep the things together so things start falling apart not just that

prison guards smuggle shit in for prisoners yeah so that means you're gonna have john the prisoner who's somewhat friends with a handful of the guys in the jail he's gonna be like hey the warden's gone like i don't know what the fuck's going on i'm opening the door yeah and he's like guys let's get the fuck out of here yeah because they know them they're like friends they're people they realize that yeah it's like as close as friends they could probably be but i when you like i watched a video of a guy who's like talking about all the shit he has and how the guards don't care yeah he's like i'm not supposed to have a cook a frying pan in here but i do i have a hot plate guards don't really care and he's got video games

got nintendo switch and he's like playing he's doing that stuff he's like you're not supposed to have any of this stuff guards are guards are chill the guards aren't gonna be like i will leave all them to die like i'd imagine most prison guards, at least one, is going to throw the keys to a guy and be like, get everybody out of here. I'm fucking gone. Yeah, I think we lead the world in, you know, prisoners per capita of the United States. But most, you know, the vast majority are not hardened criminals or even horrible people. They're people who use drugs or got caught with something. And, you know, for short term term they're not really wretched people

uh so they're not going to kill not to mention you guys and you're talking specifically about maximum security yeah i was minimum security prisons for financial crimes the doors will just pop open yeah it's it's not monolithic there will be situations where people get stuck in prison cells but there have been in katrina very well be in katrina when the storm had everyone fled so that wasn't an issue of leave them to die it was uh i i'm not going to risk my life for prisoners and then people were like holy shit there's people trapped in the flood like we got to get them out of there you know so anyway though this was um i don't know depressing thanks for hanging out with this uh special depressing members only show i don't know look when when banks start collapsing your mind goes to dark miller's the guy you want to be with when shit hits the fan but i think we're good so drew thanks for hanging out it's been a blast

are you wrapping up we're wrapping up wrapping up what do you got you guys are always accusing me of being paranoid and you know not being optimistic but you know i believe in wishes and good things so i brought you this poster you It says, When you wish upon a falling star, your dreams come true. And then it says, Unless it's really a meteor hurling toward the earth, which will destroy all life,

then you're pretty much hosed no matter what you wish for, unless it's death by meteorite. Just lift it up a tiny bit. Yeah, that's all right. That should go on the wall. We should put it downstairs. That's a good one.

That should definitely go on the wall. Unless it's death by meteorite. That's what I was hoping for. All right, man. Thanks for hanging out. Thanks for having me. And for. That's a good one. That should definitely go on the wall. Unless it's death by meteorite. That's what I was hoping for. All right, man. Thanks for hanging out. Thanks for having me. And for everybody who's a member. The mobile app is done.

The issue is now getting it approved. The first one is iOS, and they have to manually approve it. So this is the problem with all companies trying to do apps is they might be like, go fuck yourself. So we'll see. And then the Discord is being completed literally right now and i think it should be done soon i know it's funny i say that but i guess the issue is if unless i'm doing it personally it takes 27 years to get anything done so all i can do is just every day whinge and be like i thought

i told you guys to do this why isn't it getting done what am i paying for but hopefully it'll get done because you guys are the ones paying for it. So we'll make it happen for you. Thanks for hanging out. Thanks for being members. And we will see you all tomorrow.