Timcast IRL - Sunday Uncensored: Joe Kent Members Only Podcast

Episode Date: January 29, 2023

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Welcome to our special weekend show, Sunday Uncensored. Every week we produce four uncensored episodes of the TimCast IRL podcast exclusively at TimCast.com and we're going to bring you the most important for our weekend show. If you want to check out more segments just like this, become a member at TimCast.com. Now enjoy the show. The Blue Anon conspiracy theories are the greatest fucking thing ever. It is crackhead soap opera drama. It is nourishing. Yeah, so let me just tell you. I believe it's Betridge's Laws of Headlines.

Is that what it's called? If a headline asks a question, the answer is no. Did Matt Gaetz have an affair with a male staffer? No. So here's the story. Rebecca Jones, this crazy lady, apparently she's like a liar. She said that she observed...

That's the girl from Florida, right? That's right. She ran against him. That's his political opinion. Right. She's claiming she observed them in a moment of intimacy they thought was private. Yo, it's so weird to me

that she thought a political attack would be Matt Gaetz's gay or bi it's like first of all literally don't care these people clearly do not know who we are and and what we really care about matt gates stood up to the establishment and told an f off on numerous occasions like i'm not gonna get mad that he's secretly hooking up with some dude that's nothing to do with anything i don't give a shit yeah i'd be more mad that he was cheating on his wife yeah i was gonna say the only person who would be mad is Ginger. I feel like that's when you talk about it.

Yeah, but she just made this shit up and the media picks up the story and they run with it because that's how stupid these people are. I don't know what you're talking about. I think this is great, important journalism. I think we need more of this. No, it's obviously ridiculous. I mean, the last time the media

came after Matt Gaetz, two years ago they were saying all kinds of horrible things about him, big sex scandal. Of course, they never materialized any evidence whatsoever. Then we come to find out that people from the FBI and the people that tried to extort Matt Gaetz and his family, they concocted the entire

thing just to try and bring down Matt. Have you experienced, I don't think anyone accused you of having a gay affair or anything like that, but have you experienced uh i don't think anyone accused you of having a gay affair or anything like that but have you experienced not yet the cycle's young cycle's young no no but like outright overt lies oh certainly yeah yeah we had all the the typical stuff where they're like this guy's a white supremacist he's a neo-nazi and they made it very obvious too because when they wrote this this expose about how I had ties to the radical right, their source document, I'm not kidding, was from Rose City Antifa. AP said, according to Rose City Antifa, who tracks white nationalists,

Joe Kent is a white nationalist. And then the crazy, the chain reaction happens from there because then like the New York Times, Plutko, they all cite, well, it's AP, it's the Associated Press. How do you deal with that? I mean, look, i can understand what we did we kind of ignore it yeah but you're running for office yeah you can you ignore it i mean well unfortunately you can't i mean a lot of folks that are in the i think that you know the right

wing space they're so used to it that they're immune to it but those those voters that you're trying to win over that swing elections they want to hear your side of the story now the ap did make it easy for people who are willing to do the research. I'm like, because everybody knows what Antifa is, where I live. So I could say, hey, this is where this came from. But they do have to be willing to do a little bit of work or come hear me out. So unfortunately, you do spend a lot of time on a campaign having to address this nonsense. So a lot of it is just a diversion tactic to kind of stall you and weigh you down a little bit. You know what I would do if I was you?

As soon as they ran the story, I would immediately announce we're holding an end white supremacy rally. We're going to come out. Whoa, what's this story? Oh, that's weird. We're doing an end white nationalism story. That's so strange. Why are they saying that we support that? We're literally working against that.

It's interesting. I actually had some of the Fuentes kids come out to my events to heckle me. And so like some of the more aggressive, because I at one point said, these guys are idiots like that and they're disgusting and nobody should have anything to do with them so he sent his some of his trolls to some of my town halls to yell and you know make some noise and so the gripers the gripers yeah so at a time when they're like joe kent's a neo-nazi

i'm like actually the neo-nazi kids are spending money and effort and resources against me so i have i uh the hatred of me formed this alliance between Rose City Antifa and the Grapers. That's crazy. I was gonna say the neo-Nazis were like, he is not getting out of here. I feel like, you know, the reason I wanted to talk about this Matt Gaetz thing

is because, come on, man. It's such the most stupid bullshit ever. But it seems like we have long ago gotten to the bottom of the barrel of political bullshit. Yeah. And now they're scraping it so hard they're pulling up wood chips. Yeah. We're about to hit dirt.

I think your average person that, you know, was politically aware, at least during Donald Trump's presidency and since, I feel like they kind of understand that the far left, the activist left calls literally everybody white supremacists, literally everybody Nazis. I think I'm hoping that your average person has kind of picked up on that undisputable fact. But maybe it's just me being an optimist. I'm just wondering where we go. Is it going to get to the point where people just start saying shit like oh this candidate fucked the pig and then people just go like shut the fuck up dude like dude i hope so hopefully hopefully yeah that's that's like that's the hope i think that's the the best outcome is people just get tired of the hyperbole and then they just start disregarding

it but i don't know that that i don't know that that means that they're going to go and find... Oh, that actually happened. Holy shit. Oh, no. Wow. British Prime Minister reveals he put his penis in a dead pig's mouth. What?

Well, okay. David Cameron dismissed the claims about his pig-fucking days as a university student. Holy shit. This was seven years ago. Eight almost... What?

Oh, my goodness. My people are so strange, the Brits. I mean... There's David Cameron, too. He's a pretty big ago. Eight, almost, what? Oh my goodness. My people are so strange. The Brits. I mean. There's David Cameron too. He's a pretty big deal. Yeah, he is. He is.

I thought this was a TV show. That's why I was making a joke. That was like a Black Mirror episode, right? Where you have to like, I don't know. They kidnapped the princess and then they said, you have to bang a pig, otherwise they're going to kill her or something. Inspired by True Events. No, I'm just kidding.

That line definitely says this is what the pig fucker looks like. Wait, what? Right above the pig fucker looks like wait right above the picture in case you didn't know here's what the pig fucker looks like i wonder if they have a favorable opinion of david cameron right yeah i am that's what you really think i am curious that's so crazy it's funny how they say this is basically the pilot episode of black mirror yeah it was wasn't it? Yeah, I believe so. I thought about it and I was like, that was the thing, wasn't it? Oh yeah, Black Mirror. That must have been, whoa, what the fuck? This is so gross.

Yeah. I just kind of feel like we're done. I was wrong to even bring up the Matt Gaetz story. It's like we're already well past that. To be fair, this was seven years ago. We had to pick something current to lead off. You know what the real issue is, though, is that young people are inexperienced and exploited by Democrats.

Yeah. So when Vosh was on the show, I like to bring this point up. I said, look, man, how could you vote for Joe Biden? We know what he did as VP. We know about the corruption. And he goes, I was in high school. I don't know anything about that. And I'm like, holy shit.

Yeah. I totally get it now. Yeah. And they want to lower the voting age too explains everything absolutely they democrats rely on stupid people yeah so when they come on they say matt gates is banging something dude i go shut the fuck up but then these these people are like whoa the real story is probably a little more complex and the actual solutions for the problems probably are not the feel-good solutions that people are hoping for so it's easy to get people that are politically inexperienced to vote for you if you tell them no check it out i got it just give me give me your vote and i'll

get you all the good well so this is the the the alternate scenario then the question for you is how do you get people who are smart to believe you and people who are stupid to trust you? Yeah. I mean, that's the, that's the question. I mean, I feel like the smart people are actually fairly easy to get, like, cause they'll put in the work, they'll do the research. They'll come ask you hard questions. And, you know, I feel like most of those folks are, are gettable. And then there's the ideologues on the other side who are just never going to vote for a Republican. Like they're not gettable, but there's all, I think there's a lot of people out there who are legitimately, you know, they've got too much going on in their lives. Maybe politics doesn't interest them.

And that's where stuff like this, the saturation bombing of negativity, especially the left specializes in, it does sway them. Because maybe they don't believe if they read the Matt Gaetz headline, they'd be like, no, that probably didn't happen. But if they keep hearing negative things

about Joe Kent, about Matt Gaetz, I mean, that does play a role. And that's why it's challenging. That's why we spend so much time fundraising, because that's how we fight back. Man, that's crazy. And the Democrats have a massive narrative machine in the corporate press, but they also have organizational power the Republicans just don't have. I don't know.

Why is that? You know, like, Act Blue gets started. This is the Democrats' fundraising machine. And Win Red doesn't emerge for a few years. Why are the Republicans so consistently behind organizationally and technologically? I think a lot of it is Republicans, for a really long time, were playing a completely different game than Democrats.

We said, hey, we're going to have the best candidates. We're going to have the best messages. We're going to get out there, and we're going to earn people's votes, gosh darn it. And that works with a certain percentage of people. And the Democrats were like, cool story, bro. What we're we're gonna do is we're gonna go put ballots in people's hands and then we're gonna control how those ballots are adjudicated and they and so their ground game is is spectacular and we're gonna give fucking evil we're gonna offer them the world as well

the republicans are going we need to convince as many people as possible to vote for for our guy we need good policy and the democrats are like we need to alter the laws to make sure we can fill out as many ballots as possible right fuck actually convincing people just get the numbers well and when they have to convince people it's only emotional right like yeah yeah i feel like republicans spend a lot of time maybe honorably being like here is why my policy makes sense and here whatever and they're like trump is going to ruin our country trump wants to take away your women's rights and the other like it's just fear-mongering and but it wasn't even that with trump it was it was just like isn't trump nasty and gross and ugly like yeah he is nasty gross and ugly would you believe he said this have you

seen that he's been divorced a bunch like it doesn't it doesn't make any sense but it wasn't actual uh what the democrats did with trump was all they were really saying was be like me be like me over and over again because the thing the points they bring up no one actually cared about like did you know that trump had five bankruptcies like no one gives a shit about his bankruptcies trump had over 500 companies and five went into bankruptcy and then the democrats came out and said look at all those bankruptcies and then all over 500 companies and five went into bankruptcy. And then the Democrats came out and said, look at all these bankruptcies. And then all these activists were like, Trump, and they're posting memes. I'm like, none of them actually know or care about whether

or not Trump's business succeeds or fails. They're just virtue signaling to each other. It's safe to ignore when communists talk about bankruptcy. It's very safe to ignore them. But then when they actually go through Trump's financials, it's like, this is the only guy that's ever been a president that lost money.

I mean. I suppose maybe if you go back in time, you know, a couple hundred years, you might find some of the early presidents who were very, very poor. Not a modern president, though. Yeah, but Trump lost millions of dollars during his presidential term, his tax returns show. Yeah. And then they're all like, we got his tax returns. And they release them.

And it's like, oh, Trump lost a lot of money. Yeah. Like $20 million a year or some shit yeah yeah it's funny how they that's where it kind of died as soon as that information came out the story just dropped off well they tried running it but everyone kind of realized like you realize it makes them look good right exactly exactly he sacrificed for this country and destroyed his fucking life yeah yep i don't know where we go if this is the case though if like the media is willing to entertain this absolute psychotic garbage i suppose the issue is it gets clicks right the newsweek's probably thinking like yo you know we can we can get some people to click on a story if we write this bullshit they're like it works for tmz we can do it too right yeah there's just totally

unsubstantial to claim like this is not gates first affair nor is this first with a man like there's no there's no nothing to back it up says the person who opposed him politically yeah right just this just this political opponent just saying it in a tweet it's like okay okay no isn't she did she ever didn't she serve time in jail too i think she's about to go to jail ah because she just made up a bunch of fake bullshit yeah and then democrats are like you know we're the party of fake bullshit so we'll follow this which is exactly why i love george santos oh man what's up with that guy what's his deal so last night a uh um a reporter by the name of natalie johnson she uh met up with him in at some place and got a selfie with them and it's the best selfie that i've seen in ages where

is it i'm trying to find it i lost it here and she was out and people were giving her crap and i'm like that's the best idea there's a little little video of it and everything she's uh he's just out partying and being awesome and i love it i love the guy i know there are people all upset with him i think it's hilarious he conned his way into congress did he really though because i hear the media accusing him of lying but like i don't fucking trust the media not that i trust santos either i don't i i want him to have lied his way in stories are hilarious it's hilarious yeah absolutely is he really a drag queen wouldn't they like that though wouldn't that be that be good? she took a picture while they were playing I Will Survive intentionally

as his karaoke song there's a photo that people claim as Santos is a drag queen and I've seen even like centrists posting it and I'm just like I can't tell that's him like drag queens covered in makeup and a costume could be anybody well and I feel like all of this is just bigger because he's become

sort of a political talking point like Hem jeffries when he wrote to uh mccarthy and was like you need to get uh swallowing shift on the committee and it's important he was like how could you give george santos committees and not these guys like it's just uh a quick shorthand way of saying like you favor your own people and we don't like them. It's, it's sort of pointless. I have a question. Like, cause I don't know.

Like, you know, I called my, my Twitter handle is Tim cast, made it in 2009. And, uh, cause it was just like broadcast Tim cast.

Is that a common thing people do? Cause like I'm seeing tons of people do that and I'm wondering if they're just copying off me or copying off of you. Is that what it is? Like Krasen cast. It's like the real everybody does like the real Joe now because Donald Trump

did the real I think you did get the cast thing going yeah I didn't think it was anything when I took the name I was like broadcast

Tim Kass well Seamus started it with the Shim cast right he's been ripping off your brand for a while I just saw this when I was looking

at Rebecca Jones Krasencast. And I was like, is that derivative? Yes. Yes. Are they doing that because it's like... Bring them back on and make them answer for this. You know, we had the Krasensteins on,

and the thing about them was that they just didn't know anything. No. I was surprised. They're rarely even dark. Yeah. They had no information. They're like, oh, we don't know anything about that. So you're familiar with the Krasenstein brothers?

Yeah. We had them on, and when i started going off about ukraine the katariki pipeline gas problem which i do often they're just like we have no idea what you're talking about really yeah yeah so i'm like so you don't know the reason why we're at war in ukraine and like well because russia invaded i'm like well why russia invade because because putin's bad putin's bad yeah because putin's an evil guy it's like it's because they want to land bridge to crimea it's because the u.s wants to offset the gas problem gas monopoly that's why the brits probably blew up nordstream too we assume it may be britain we don't know for sure certainly wasn't russia blowing up their own fucking pipeline that makes no sense no not at all but the media tried to sell that story like so intensely like putin is so evil he'd blow up his own gas pipeline 3d chess i i i sometimes i'm just like i wish i could be evil because holy fuck would it be easy yeah yes you don't even have

to know anything apparently no but like knowing everything it would be so much easier because then i could actually be like ain't nobody's gonna be able to argue with me because the sophistry is way up you know yeah above the level man don't you think there are people that actually think that that are doing that right now that have realized that they're doing it the young turks maybe that's yeah yeah good point there's there's no way like they've taken so many videos of mine and then lied about what i was actually saying true you can't you can't accidentally. Yeah, totally. Not to mention when they made the video where they said, Tim Pool's ugly.

And it's like, why? It's the equivalent of this article over here from Newsweek. Yeah. I did it. We talked on TimCast IRL about how conservatives

tend to be more attractive. Yeah. There's like five prominent studies in the past 10 years that say conservatives are more attractive. And the segment we were doing was talking about privilege.

I said, a person who's attractive goes through life and has it easier. they assume then if life is this easy anybody can do what i did and people were ugly have it harder and think life is really difficult we have to band together and fight oppression thus you'll get this natural bias emerging they cut all that out took a clip of me just being like conservatives are naturally naturally more attractive. And then they called me ugly and started shit-talking my appearance. And I'm like, okay, these people are fucking evil, man.

I'm ugly and I'm not tall and I'm still a rock star. Nice. I mean, hard work. That's right. Hard work, perseverance, talent. Yeah. The willingness. Hard work.

Hard work. The number one factor in success. Hard work. Perseverance. Yeah number one factor in success? Hard work. Perseverance. Yeah. It's not even necessarily hard work, but for the most part, it's the unwillingness to give up. True.

Yeah. Very true. No matter how smart you are, no matter how talented, how attractive, how tall, how short, as long as you don't give up, you become successful. All That Remains was a band for like eight years before the record that put us on the map came out. No way. Eight years. Wow. You know? So how did that happen? Break that down. What are band for like eight years before like the record that put us on the map came out. No way. Eight years.

Wow. You know? So how did that happen? Write that down. What are you doing for eight years? You're like working at a gym or something? No. Well, I mean, I was working odd jobs or working like in the mall and stuff and doing part-time jobs

and put out a couple records and just got in the van and destroyed my credit and did everything that bands do. I lived in my mom's basement. We wrote a record that put us on the map in my mom's basement and we wrote like we recorded a we wrote a record that put us on the map in my mom's basement and then the next record we wrote in my mom's basement is the one that is the first platinum record that we got so it's you know it's like but it was because we never quit we just just kept doing it yeah there was never like a time where i was thinking i want to make this my job it's just was i'm in i'm a band guy you know what i mean it was it wasn't like i want to do this it was like it's a lifestyle this is just

what i do it to me it didn't seem like there was like you didn't think about i want to do this you were like i just got a camera and i'm bummed out about this stuff and i want to make you know make videos about it it's it's not like there was a big plan for all that remains to do this and be this this successful metal band and stuff like when i started we weren't playing stuff that was ever going to get played on the radio like no one was was thinking oh you're in a heavy metal band that maybe you'll get you know you'll have hit singles that was never even on the table that didn't even become an option until 2008 we'd already already put out four records and stuff. So it really does matter.

If you're working on something and you're getting down, believe me, I have been as down as down gets. We did our first tour, came back, and our drummer broke his arm, and our guitar player, we kicked him out, and then our bass player quit. I had to build the whole band. And that all happened within a two-week period. Had to rebuild the whole band. So don't quit within a two week period, had to rebuild the whole band. So don't quit. Just keep working. What else you got to do?

Says the guy who's ready for Congress again. Yeah, right. Oh, right. Just keep going. He's like, I'm back at it. Don't worry. Don't overthink it. Just keep going.

Well, yeah. So, so, I mean, what was it like for you? My understanding is that you didn't get enough support from the establishment. Is that a lot? Yeah. So we, I mean, we had a hard-fought primary. I took down a 10-year or 12-year incumbent. She had $10 million they spent against us.

Nobody thought we were going to win. I mean, Matt Gates is one of the only sitting members who endorsed me because that would be most of the party wouldn't endorse against an incumbent. But we took her down, and we outworked her. We knocked on 130,000 doors, did 300 in-person town halls. But at the end of the— You didn't say 300? Yeah, we did 300. But, yeah, because but at the end of the 300 yeah we did 300 yeah but but yeah because it was two-year campaign essentially so we just we hit it hard and that

that wow that really resonated with people doing a couple weeks a couple yeah yeah we were hitting it hard yeah and and so at the end of the primary we had to spend pretty much our entire war chest we raised three million dollars no pack would touch us so that was all from people giving us you know 10 5015 here and there. But we arrived in the general election after a bloody primary with no money. And the conventional wisdom coming from the RNC, the NRCC, was that, hey, this is a Republican seat. You're already the congressman. You got it.

And we were like, no, I don't think so. Then the incumbent I took down, unfortunately, she decided not to endorse me. So the party stayed fractured. We have a really late primary. So our primary is in August. The ballots get mailed out in mid-October. We didn't have the resources at the time. And so the Democrats smartly were like, you know what?

The Republicans just beat the crap out of each other. Like, we can come in here and we can probably pull this off. And so they marshaled all their resources around one candidate. And we got out and spent six to one in the general. Do you have a primary coming up next year uh august 24th is there an old incumbent coming back to come come for you i don't think that she will but if she does she's not gonna be able to get the support i mean because she doesn't have a compelling case to make she got taken down when she was an

incumbent on the appropriations committee with 10 million dollars and some dude beat her you know and so now it's it's hard for her to make that case. So I don't think she'll come back. I mean, we're really trying to keep the Republican Party in the district united, which I think most most folks realize that we we weren't able to do that. And if we want to flip the seat, we got to be united. How does the party feel about that? Are they like on board with the strategy? Yeah, I mean, I feel like they are like 22 was was disappointing. Everybody wanted the big red wave. And so one of the big hard lessons learned was that we need to, especially at the end of the primary, we've got to unify. And if we don't, the Democrats just exploit it.

Because you don't see the Democrats have these internal fights. I think it's healthy for us to have them sometimes. I think the process that played out with that Matt Gaetz led, I think that was very, very helpful. And it showed the American people just like, hey, the Republican Party, they're actually out there. They're having these hard conversations. But yeah, I think the unity is going is gonna be key especially our local parties our county and our state party they're they're 100 behind flipping the seat yeah your story's making me think of uh edward durr i just pulled a story he's a commercial truck driver from new jersey

who like unseated or uh an incumbent and he spent like 150 dollars and it was mostly on dunkin donuts for like people who he just went door to door and passed out flyers and was like, you should vote for me. Like, I think there is a certain level of boots on the ground work that really is effective that, you know, they can hand people a lot of ballots, but if you have already put your name in their mouths, it's different. Yeah. Yeah.

I haven't met a ton of politicians, but the handful of them that I have met, when you meet them they if they win they tend to be very charismatic even people that i disagree with like or whatever it's like if i've met them or whatever it's like you're like all right i see why people can get behind that person i met glenn beck and i know he's not a politician but like meeting him for just like a brief second and he looks you in the eye the handshake it's like you're the only person there and i've heard people talk about bill clinton that way and uh and there's a few other people like you if you meet successful politicians there is a there is something about them that

makes them extremely charismatic and so getting in front of people and pressing the palms and shaking the hands like that stuff pays the bills man i mean i noticed this too if you if you think about general pop stardom some people just exude this attractive force 100 for whatever reason for whatever reason you know some people like i'm thinking about taylor swift yeah like she could she could chicken balk yep and people are gonna buy that album and they're going to give her whatever she wants because they just want to see her for whatever reason

our guitar player Mike Martin he is the most unassuming kind of dude bald head, shaved head not flashy he kind of stays in the back when we're playing on stage he doesn't do a whole lot of playing to the crowd but when people meet him and start talking to him he's the guy in the band that people remember the most as like, I want to talk to him.

He's the guy that people are like, what's the crew? What's Mike doing? Are we going to get lunch? Get Mike. Those kind of things. And you can't put a finger on it. No. It's weird.

X Factor. Yeah. They're just some people you're drawn to. Yeah. He's not like a pretty man. He's not an attractive guy or whatever. He's a. X factor. Yeah. They're just some people you're drawn to. Yeah. He's not like a pretty man. He's not an attractive guy or whatever. Like he's normal looking. But there's something about him that people just want to talk to him and be around him.

Trump has more than any other human ever. I imagine. For whatever reason. I don't know. It's not charisma. He has charisma. It's like that factor X, whatever. But it's attractive power.

Like I'm not saying he's attractive. I'm saying he has some kind of gravitational force where even the people who hate him can't stop looking at him being like, I can't stop looking at him. I fucking hate him. I fucking hate him, but I can't stop looking at him.

I can't stop. He has main character energy, as the Zoomers say. I guess that's it. I guess that's it. We're in a simulation and Donald Trump is the main character, I guess. Yeah, I think so.

People can't stop looking at him. How do you generate that kind of energy, I guess? That's what you need to win an election. I know, yeah, I guess. Yeah, I think so. People can't stop looking at him. How do you generate that kind of energy, I guess? That's what you need to win an election. I know, yeah, we do. I think getting out and being authentic is the biggest thing because people want to see the authenticity. They're kind of sick and tired of the canned talking points and all that. People will say things like, he's not presidential.

It's like, Gavin Newsom is not presidential. No. Why? He kind of comes off plastic and generic plastic is exactly the word i think of yeah for sure but neither was joe biden so they figured out how to fix that yeah but joe biden this is gonna sound really cruel but like he won his seat in the senate when his family's going through a really big tragedy right like his wife had been in the car accident, his daughter had died, his son. He got sworn in standing next to his son's hospital bed. I mean, like maybe he is plastic in personality,

but he was a memorable launch into American politics. And in a way that is really sort of, I mean, heartbreaking and tragic, right? I can't imagine what that's like. And I think in some ways that had altered the trajectory of his political career. And then you hear the stuff about the trains. Like, I don't get why he's so obsessed with trains.

He rode the train back and forth to Delaware. But then you hear the other part, which is like, to be with my kids every night from Washington. Like, they made, I don't know. I mean, I would hope it's authentic. I don't know at this point. But like, he made himself someone you remember with this backstory that he built in tandem with his political career true a lot of plagiarism on joe biden's part you know his life wasn't real yeah but you know when you take the best parts of other people's lives and you tell other people

that's your life they tend to like you that's the instagram method right i remember when friendster came out and you know myspace that. Do you remember those? MySpace, yeah, definitely. And I would see people post these photos that made their lives look so fucking awesome. Yeah, yeah. And this was early on and people would be like, you know, I learned this really quickly. It's like their life is nothing like that. Right. That was one photo for one second of their day where in the morning they got up and sat on their couch drinking a coffee in their boxers watching

tv and then like they went out to the movies and took one photo with their friends and it looks like on this great adventure outside and it's like then they said peace out went back to sitting on their couch in their boxers yeah i i like there's this influencer i followed not followed but she had a blog and she faked going to disneyland for her birthday yeah yeah and like photoshop photos like she was home she even to her family, she was like, yup, I'm having this super cool adventure. So glamorous. It's all a manipulation. And then she wrote about it

and was like, I didn't go anywhere. I made it up because your life is a lot more than life. I'll tell you what's creepy is that, actually I just pulled up Instagram. I don't want to click this because Nat's going to keep showing me this garbage. Tell me what you think about that photo. I don't want to click this because Nat's going to keep showing me this garbage tell me what you think

about that photo I don't know that girl seems uncomfortable why oh is that is that an AI

is it real it's AI it looks like it's AI I follow a couple AI people that are like completely fake Pop Culture Crisis

our podcast our pop culture show talked about this where there are several major influencers that are completely developed by marketing companies and they're fake people terrifying and people follow them like that makes me crazy like of course there are influencers in the world who are completely fake right like they but i also think that like at least they're human, right? Like I'd rather have a human person faking it than like an actual fake person existing. Dude, these photos all look fake, but they're like.

But is it fake or is it like. No, like an AI human, like not a real person. There's a ton of them out there. It's crazy that we've gotten so conditioned that like the fake people are more appealing than like the real people. This might be a real person.

I can't tell. I mean, the other thing is like, because a lot of people like Photoshop their photos or FaceTune them, like their photos start to have the AI effect without it actually being AI.

That's what I was worried about with like all the filters. At least this is when Deepfake was coming out where everyone was doing all the filters and like if everyone was doing filters

over their face, eventually the Deepfake is going to be really difficult to tell from reality. You know, like you're not going to be able to differentiate Deepfake from filter covers right yeah yeah yeah it's like they're ruining all the sense making you know methods that we have yeah and then to your point

like when you actually go you have a town hall you meet someone in person like that is what they actually remember right if you're only especially people who are like work really busy whatever they spend a lot of time on social media like those fake human interactions yeah fade away in comparison to interacting with a real human yeah exactly yeah we're fucked like people young girls are already already getting depressed because they don't look like snapchat filters they're getting plastic surgery to look like snapchat filters the craziest thing man is to see so many young women plastic surgery what the fuck tim do you know who vocal distance is yeah you ever follow do you ever read his his thread

about the simulacrum about like a strawberry no and how so back like he has this big long thread and and i'm not gonna go through the whole thing but essentially what he said is he like imagine back in the day 100 years ago a kid has a strawberry right that's a strawberry then take that same strawberry and then you extract the juice and sugar out of it and you concentrate it and you put it into a candy and give it to the kid and it's the strawberry on 10 and then you take that you take that candy and then you put it into a soda drink with caffeine and with extra sugar and blah blah and then and it gets to a point where the kid doesn't know

what a real strawberry tastes like and what's going on on Instagram is especially with young ladies is there it is becoming basically a simulacrum an imitation a copy of a copy of a copy

but it's a sexualized thing so like girls aren't girls they're girls that are scantily clad and they're they're face-tuned and and they're virgins this is the funny thing yeah uh increasingly young people are not having sex right so you're having all these hyper-sexualized young women on only fans but they've never had sex there was a viral video where a woman who was arguably attractive was saying things like, I don't have any friends. I stay at home all day.

I've never had a boyfriend. And it was like, she was like an influencer with a shitload of followers and like an attractive young woman. Bizarre. It's crazy. Sorry.

I was just going to say the most significant proof of what you're talking about is Kylie Jenner who told all the girls that she followed, no, I don't have lip fillers and I don't have lip fillers.

I just overline my lips. She's a billionaire off of her makeup company. She profited off giving girls something that is completely unrealistic and being like, but if you just

overline your lips with my specific products, you too can finally have this look. I mean, it's crazy. Remember the glass jar thing they would do kylie jenner challenge yeah they would suck their lips yeah okay what have i done you know the thing that sucks is a friend of mine like there was a girl that i'd gone on a couple

dates with and she she committed suicide earlier this year and she was one of those you know she was a uh her name was niece and she was an instagram you know and she had had some some challenges with mental health obviously and there was one of the posts she put up like right before she passed away she put up a picture of herself that she had photoshopped and then her in the same spot without the photoshop and the difference was so slight and it really bothers me when i think about it because she was really she was really pretty and she was really cool and she just had the worst self-image. There's a story I covered today

where this 37-year-old woman was like, I don't recognize myself anymore. And it's funny because what we're seeing is the normal process of aging for women. Now, they're talking about it amongst themselves publicly for everyone to see whereas they used to just not do that.

One would be 37 going there and be like, I'm getting crow's feet. Now they take pictures of themselves every single day. They take their highlights and their Photoshops and put them as their profile pictures, and then one day they look at their picture and look in the mirror and go, oh, what the fuck? That's not me.

And they're starting to lose it. Yeah. I don't know if I'm just going to sound like the old guy here, but I feel like- I'm probably older than you. The social media, I'm 42, so like- I'm older than you. Are you? Okay, cool.

That's up. Tell me if I'm super old. I mean, I feel like the whole social media thing, it's really affecting the way people communicate with each other. Of course. Because I feel like there's a difference when I talk to like really young folks, like the Zoomers or whatever, just going door to door and getting out there more in the community and talking to folks that are, you know,

20, 25 years younger than me. I feel like there's a difference between 20 and me. The communication is just, it's crazy. Not there. I didn't, I don't feel that way about the millennials.

I don't know if that's because it's one room. No, no, no, but it's, yeah, it's just the, the basic social interaction stuff of like,

hi, how are you doing? I'm doing fine. Good. More like those types of things. It's just, it's quickly fading. And I think a lot of it's because of the,

just the Instagram culture or the lockdowns i don't know texting cell phones social media it's the lack of looking people in the eye and yes yeah yeah they're not communicating with humans humans are weird yeah avatars for your online entity yeah but uh we're gonna we're gonna get this one up so i don't want to go go too late. So I'll just hard segue wrap up. Joe, thanks for hanging out. It's been a blast. Thank you. And for everybody who's a member, thanks for helping support our work, making this possible. And we'll see you all next time.

Cheers, Joe.