Timcast IRL - Sunday Uncensored: Larry Elder Member Podcast: Feds Give Life Sentences To Men Convicted of Killing Ahmaud Arbery, Crew Talks Trump Raid And Civil War

Episode Date: August 14, 2022

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Welcome to our special weekend show, Sunday Uncensored. Every week we produce four uncensored episodes of the TimCast IRL podcast exclusively at TimCast.com and we're going to bring you the most important for our weekend show. If you want to check out more segments just like this, become a member at TimCast.com. Now enjoy the show. We have a story from the Daily Mail that says, Now, enjoy the show. I'm just going to come out right and say it. Do you know about the Ahmaud Arbery story? Of course. Bullshit. This is bullshit. This is, look, it's not just the Trump getting raided thing. It is this story.

These guys getting life sentences over what went down is fucked. This country is absolutely collapsed. This is political. We are entering the show trial stage of a nation. Raiding Donald Trump. Shackling Peter Navarro. Navarro, Bannon's arrest,

Alex Jones, the way the courts crushed him. And I can say all of these guys, you got some criticism to throw their way, but holy fuck, this right here, when you know the true details of the story, we're fucked, man.

I don't know. What's up with Peter Navarro? What happened? What was it, off an airplane? They shackled him? Is he in jail right now? No, no. It was a contempt of Congress thing. But I'm curious to hear your thoughts, Larry, on the Ahmaud Arbery case, especially with this news.

Life sentences. And they gave the guy who filmed it 35 years. Well, I followed the trial very closely, and I thought that they were going to be found not guilty. And I was surprised when they were found guilty. And LeBron James tweeted after this happened, black people are, quote, afraid to leave their homes, close quote. When in fact, half of the homicide victims in this country are black. Almost all killed by other blacks. A young black man is eight times more likely to be murdered than a young white man. And almost always the murderer is another

young black man. So it's BS that black people live in fear of somebody white tracking them down and shooting them. Isn't it also true that white people who are killed are more likely to be killed by a white person? Well, murder is a same-race crime. So 85% of whites who are killed are killed by other whites. 95% of blacks who are killed are killed by other blacks. But there are interracial murders. Every year there's about 700 of them. 500 whites are killed by blacks, and about 250 blacks are killed by other blacks. But there are interracial murders. Every year there's about 700 of them. 500 whites are killed by blacks.

About 250 blacks are killed by whites. So whites at a much greater percentage of the population kill fewer blacks than the other way around. And then when you talk about non-murder violent crimes, there are roughly 600,000 to 800,000 interracial black, white, non-homicide violent crimes. By that I mean attempted murder, manslaughter, rape, assault with an aggravated weapon.

85% of them are black perps, white victims, only 15% the other way around. So, well, we'll get into that a little bit. So if anything, white people ought to be more in fear of their lives against black people than the other way around. What causes this? Where does this come from? The media. Media cares a great deal when an unarmed black person gets killed by the cops.

When an unarmed white person gets killed by the cops, nobody cares. But I mean, where does it come from that you just said white people should be more scared of? Yeah. If you look at the numbers, again, when you look at interracial black-white violent crime, 85% of the perpetrators are black, only 15 percent the other way around. So when it's an interracial crime, a white person is far more likely to be a victim than the person who committed the crime. And you're saying that's because of the media? It's because – oh, why don't people know that?

No, no, no. I'm saying like where does it come from that these young black men are more likely to be – I think it's a great deal of anger. A lot of black people are convinced that white people are are evil are bad people they're angry over over over slavery over over jim crow they've been taught that white people are are fundamentally against their best interests even lebron james said that one time he said when he grew up he thought white people did not give a blank about black people and i did not like did not like white people that feels like a a mental shackle, a mental prison.

It is. What's the balance between teaching the history of the actual atrocities, right? Slavery, segregation, and then also being like, however, you still – because you want to be empowering, too. You don't want to say, hey, slavery happened. Therefore, you're always going to be lesser. The balance is that we had a civil war to abolish it. The only nation that did. And roughly 300,000 white people lost their lives on the on the union side.

Hundreds of thousands more were were injured during the Civil War. It's a it's a country. America is one that struggled mightily to become a more perfect nation. since more were injured during the Civil War. It's a country, America, is one that struggled mightily to become a more perfect nation. And every day we are becoming more perfect. So are you familiar with... As far as race is concerned. You're familiar with Daryl Davis?

I don't think so. He's the blues musician, older... Well, I guess he's middle-aged. How old is he? Black fellow. He's the guy who befriended all the Klan members and de-radicalized them. Oh.

That's the one they did the movie about? I think they did. They probably did. We had him on the show, and I was surprised to learn that he was a proponent of critical race theory. But I guess what a lot of people learned was that they thought he was de-radicalizing identitarians, white supremacists. Instead, they realized he was just making, taking identitarian values, but flipping it around in a similar direction. I want to talk about the Ahmaud Arbery stuff.

Critical race theory is just crap. It's teaching white kids that they're eternal oppressors and white and black kids that they're eternal victims. And again, Barack Obama got a higher percentage of the white vote than John Kerry did four years earlier. Obama won the 2008 election with roughly about 52 percent of the vote. He walked into the Oval Office the third week of January 2009 at 70 percent approval. A bunch of white people who didn't vote for him suddenly said, you know what, at least this guy is going to bring us together regarding race relations.

And every single time Obama had a chance to be conciliatory, he went the wrong way. The first time was when the Cambridge police briefly arrested his buddy Skip Gates from Harvard. What did he say? The Cambridge police acted stupidly. No, they didn't. Skip Gates came from vacation, forgot his door key, and with the driver, his cab driver,

broke into his own house. Neighbors saw it. Don't you want your neighbors to call 911 when they see something like that? White cop shows up, very politely sees this black man in the house and says, sir, please come out and show me ID. Instead of doing it, he said, I'll come out if your mama tells me to come out. What did Obama say? The Cambridge police acted stupidly. Then Obama took the Ferguson thing and gave a speech for the United Nations

and said, you know, America's not perfect. We have our own problems at a place called Ferguson. Ferguson was, as you know, was BS. Obama said that racism is in America's DNA when he became president. We have our own problems at a place called Ferguson. Ferguson was, as you know, was BS. Obama said that racism is in America's DNA when he became president. Obama had outsharpened America's preeminent race card hustler in the White House over 70 times. If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon. And this is a guy who, when he was running, was interviewed on 60 Minutes,

the first time he was ever on 60 Minutes. And he hadn't become the front runner yet. He was challenging Hillary. And he was asked, Senator, if you don't get the nomination, will it be because of race? I was at home by myself. I said, let's see how this man answers. Is he going to give what I call a victocrate answer like Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton, both of whom ran for president? And Obama said, no. If I don't win, it will be because I have not articulated a vision that the American people can embrace. And I said, hallelujah.

I'm not going to vote for a Democrat, tax bin, regulate Democrat, but at least this guy is going to bring us together and stop the nonsense. Instead, every single time he had a chance to give a speech where he showed that racism is no longer a major problem, he went the other way. He even had this pastor, Jeremiah Wright, and defended him for a long time before he ultimately cut ties with him. So Obama made things worse. When he first came into office, polls show both blacks and whites thought race relations would improve under him. And when he left, both blacks and whites thought that they got worse under him. I think a lot of liberals, like I don't really know exactly what critical race theory is. I think a lot of people on the left think that it means teaching history. Well, so that's what they think theory is. I think a lot of people on the left think that it means teaching history. Well, so that's what they think.

It's not what they think. It means teaching history and the unequal outcomes that we're experiencing is all because of systemic racism. Yes. And that's why I wanted to bring it up. And I almost wish we talked about it on the regular show so that more people could hear it. We define critical race theory all the time yeah

because i was like i legitimately i think people on the left legitimately every time they hear that just think you're just gonna pretend slavery didn't happen or pretend segregation didn't happen or whatever a theme of the show is the left refuses to listen to facts i know i know i'm just trying to be vulnerable everybody kim Kimberly Crenshaw wrote in her book Critical Race Theory that Marx was right about the classes, the bourgeoisie, the proletariat, that their class oppression was a real thing. However, the critical theory of Marx didn't account for race relations in the United States. Therefore, she needed to come up with something that was critical theory with race. Thus, she coined critical race theory, which holds that there are the oppressor and the oppressed class. Although it's not wealth in the United States, it's race. The white oppressors, the non-white oppressed.

Ridiculous. Look, I'm new to the family, guys. I'm learning every day. I'm learning every day. Derrick Bell was mad about Brown v. Board of Education. Derrick Bell argued we should have never desegregated this country. These people are reactionaries. Okay, do you know what a reactionary is? Yes, that I know.

These are people who, but no one called them that when they started this process, which they should have. They want to turn back the clock and bring things back to the olden days of segregation. What's a reactionary? So when the French Revolution happened. Oh, I didn't know it opened then. I heard that. When the French Revolution happened, there were

the pro-monarchy people who tried stopping the revolution. They reacted to the revolution. They were the reactionaries. So today, a reactionary refers to someone who's trying to stop the revolution. Derrick Bell wants to turn back the Supreme Court rulings and argued we'd be better off with segregation

that is rewinding things and if you look at outside of critical race theory if we want to be maybe semantic or pedantic you want to look at intersectionality and D'Angelo these people outright advocate for an earlier day before the civil rights movement they don't believe in a colorblind society they are the antithesis of what mlk stood for right it's funny they believe in a

color coordinated society not a colorblind society i had a friend who started getting woke and then i said i told i told everybody you know if you're talking to a woke person you don't want to yell at them if they're if they're embracing these ideas you just talking to a woke person, you don't want to yell at them. If they're embracing these ideas, you just ask them a simple question. Do you agree with the dream of Dr. King? And they always say yes. They have to. That one day my four little children will be judged not based on the

color of their skin, but the content of their character. Well, of course. Do you think that you are adhering to Dr. King's dream by having racial quotas or racial policies in how these children can be denied or admitted into schools? Is that judging someone

in the content of their character? No. And then they, cognitive dissonance. I think with critical theory, which is a Marxist, Marx kind of came up with the idea of critical theory

that there's an oppressor and oppressed. But I think the idea that he posed is that everything is divided into that. And that's not the case. And that's what critical race theory is.

Sometimes there are situations where you'll have a racial oppressor and oppressed. And sometimes in life there will be oppressors. But it's not every situation at all times. Because if you think that, you're going to look for it and find, like, two friends aren't oppressing or oppressed by each other. I remember even when I was on the super wokey liberal side, when I started doing jujitsu and essentially just doing hard, challenging things, I started thinking about this where it's like if you are telling a group of people that they're constantly oppressed. If I'm training and someone's telling me I'm always going to be bad. I'm never going to be big I'm never gonna be fast instead of telling me hey, you can be smart Hey, you can you have these other advantages of these other people? I almost feel like that's gonna do more damage as a person most millionaires did not start out as millionaires

They started out as middle class or lower class Yeah, and they busted their butt over 30 years and voila, now they have a net worth of over a million dollars. Right. How can that be if it's the proletariat versus the bourgeois? I really want to jump to this story

and get into the Ahmaud Arbery stuff. So I'll put it simply. This story has been fake news from the get-go, but what really pissed me off here is that even conservatives cheered for this verdict.

So I'm interested in your opinion you followed the trial very closely as i said earlier i thought they were going to be found not guilty i thought it was a good chance they were going to be found not can someone give a cliff note of the scenario this is the story where you probably saw the video of a guy running down the street towards a pickup yeah and then there's a guy to the left holding a shotgun yes and then the the ahmed arbry the black man running goes around the right side of the truck. And then the next thing you see is both of them fighting over the shotgun, which then

goes off. Armored armory. Ahmaud Arbery took a couple of the chest and then falls over and dies. What they argued was that this was a lynching. I remember jumping in their car and chased down a jogger. Yes. This guy was a suspect in a felony burglary. They, the guy who was

filming him wasn't chasing him down. He just said, the police told me that's the guy I should film him. The police had gone around and asked people like, have you seen this man? He's wanted for burglary. So when, when the McMichaels saw him and someone said, Hey, that's the guy. They went after him. The police told them not to. However, the law stated that they have a right to commit a citizen's arrest if they believe a felony had been committed. If they believe a felony had been committed, they don't need to be personal witnesses to the crime. However, it was the DA who made a weird argument about the language, like omitting a comma, and thus said, you need to witness the crime no matter what. And the judge said, I don't know, jury decide as you

will. And the jury found them all guilty. The crazy thing is the easiest, the easiest way to understand that this story is complete bullshit is that this guy right here, His name is William Roddy Bryan got in his car and simply filmed it. That's all he did. He saw the guy and he filmed him. Now his fucking mistake apparently is that he gave the footage to the press, to a radio station saying, look, this is what happened. This is what was filmed. And they said, okay, you're an accomplice now. I wonder if this is actually that the local jurisdiction said to these guys, you put this footage out, you embarrassed us, you caused problems. We're going to fuck you because this story is illegitimate. I mean, Ahmed Aubrey was not a jogger. He was, he was a criminal suspect. They had evidence of him committing burglary.

There you go. And a gun had been stolen, I believe, six weeks earlier. You got burglaries. You got a stolen gun. And the guy won't stop. He doesn't live in your neighborhood. He's from, what, was it 20 miles away or something like that? He kept coming. Supposedly jogging.

Yeah. In boots. Yeah. The other thing, Tim, we were talking about this earlier. Somebody once said that compound interest is the greatest force in the universe. Einstein. Whoever said it. Actually, he didn't say it.

People think he did, but he didn't. I checked it. They don't know who said it. But whoever said that never encountered white guilt. I think a lot of these jurors, like the OJ jurors, there were a couple of jurors that were white. And they went along with the – I mean, the man did everything but leave his business card at the OJ jurors, there were a couple of jurors that were white. And they went along with the, I mean, the man did everything but leave his business card at the crime scene. And here he is playing golf right now after having murdered two white people.

I think a whole bunch of people on that jury have been wokefied, were afraid to come up with a jury verdict other than guilt, out of white guilt. I had an experience in L.A. I was leaving L.A. or I wasn't leaving yet, but my friend, I was telling about Hillary Clinton's emails about Sidney Blumenthal, the war in Libya, and how she's helping Sidney gun run with Osprey Global Solutions. She's like, that's white privilege, Ian. That's white privilege. And I'm like, I didn't even know how to start to react to that.

What the fuck does it have to do with anything color or shade oriented? Ridiculous. I didn't know what else to do, so I just stopped talking to that. What the fuck does it have to do with anything color or shade oriented? Ridiculous. I didn't know what else to do. So I just stopped talking to him. By the way, Ian, it was Sidney Blumenthal who started the birther thing. It wasn't Donald Trump. During the campaign of 2008, Sidney Blumenthal goes to the McClatchy newspapers and tells a guy named James Asher that Obama is from Africa to the point where McClatchy put somebody to track down the story, found out it wasn't true.

But I tell you, you talk to 10 Democrats, and 10 Democrats will say Donald Trump started this thing. He did not. Hillary did it. And there's a program called Morning Joe where the co-author of a book called Game Change named John Hyman was on. And Harold Ford, Democrat, was on with a panelist. And they start talking about this story. And Morning Joe Scarborough said, was on with a panelist. And they started talking about this story. And Joe Morning Joe Scarborough said it started with Hillary. And Harold Ford went nuts. He said

what are you talking about? There's no basis for that. And then Joe said well, Howman, you wrote a book called Game Change 2008. You know the story. What happened? And he said, I'm confirming the Scarborough theory. It was Sidney Blumenthal, the hatchet man for hillary who started this birther stuff wow this this this story the ahmed arbery thing it's like they're just gonna start locking people up there was a

guy who was in his house in wisconsin a group of black lives matter protesters had protested in front of another house because two girls were missing. Do you remember this story? Two girls, they were like 14, went missing. So a mob showed up to a house where they thought they were and set fire to it. Fire department came and put the fire out. The mob set fire to it again. Turns out the girls

were at a friend's house. There was no reason to be angry. This mob showed up to another man's house who was accused of being racist. Started protesting in front of his residential home. This guy brandished a shotgun at the window before putting it away. The police then showed up, went into his house and arrested him. They cheered for it as it happened. These are people who kept saying defund the police.

The police were racist, clapping and cheering when the cops went arrested a guy in his own home. Because a mob that had previously set fire to a house was threatened by him in his own home with his own weapon. He shouldn't have pointed it at him, but that was what they got him on. What happened to the mob? Nothing? Nothing. Nothing at all. Can't listen to mobs, man. You see these stories, and I said

this four years ago. I said, one day, they will come to your house, accusing you of being the racist. The police will show up and say, I'm sorry. It is easier to arrest one person than it is to deal with a mob. Then a few years, a few years later, that story happened. And I told everybody when you, when you are, when you're paying attention to the news and

all I do every day is read nothing but news. I wake up in the morning. I read until 4 p.m. when I eat and exercise. Then I go back to discussing and reading news and all that stuff. What a nightmare, Tim. Take care of your brain, brother. It's great. When you can see all the pieces lined up, I say, I know how to play chess.

Magic the Gathering, a turn-based strategy game where you calculate the moves in front of you. I can't predict the future, but you don't need to when it's like, that just happened, that just happened, and that just happened. Well, this suggests we're going to see more things happen. The difference is you can change the rules of the game of life with emotion. My point is, when you see the Michael Brown thing, hands up, don't shoot was a lie.

Trayvon Martin, lie. When the media, when they edited Zimmerman's quote, lie, Jussie Smollett, lie, and they believe all of it. Then you look at the Ahmaud Arbery story. We are lucky Kyle Rittenhouse was found not guilty. I mean, man, I just like the mob mentality stuff kills me so much because I feel like people just have this thirst for blood instead of sadness for something that's happened. Right. Like Trayvon was still like a kid right and i feel like we lose touch with just like man what a sad the fact that these murders are even happening the fact that a mob lit a house

on fire the fact that you know uh trayvon martin wasn't a murder he's found that guilty what's that trayvon martin wasn't a murder was he found not guilty Trayvon Martin wasn't a murder he was found not guilty but what I'm saying is that Trayvon was tried for murder? no the guy that shot him what I'm saying is that everything becomes so politicized

that we lose track of trying to help people we lose track of just the sadness that like lives lost or people going to jail. A lot of people, Jamie, are just flat out lying. The Bubba Wallace thing.

Remember the news thing? That turned out to be BS. There's a book written by a guy named Wilford Riley. He's with a black college in Kentucky. He documented about 500 fake crimes, hate, fake race crimes where black people just flat out lied.

And the guilty white people and the media that wants to believe all this stuff rushed and published the story. I get this has been on my mind so much lately. I think that we are in an era where it is time to institute a great pardon of all these people. Biden, Sidney Blumenthal, Biden for his corruption in Ukraine, hunters, Hillary Clinton letting Sidney run guns into Libya. 150 years of crime can be pardoned. And then we need to move.

I mean, all these people, there's so much impropriety in running the military-industrial complex. We can't just try and cut each other's finger. We're all in the same fucking body of earth. running the military industrial complex we we can't just try and cut each other's finger we're all in the same fucking body of earth like yeah it's the only way forward like otherwise we're looking at what's him saying the game has been played for us you you ian you're angry the game is happening it's like watching the tide come in and you're going into the water and splashing the water like fucking stop water we shouldn't be rising it's like bro the tide is here that's it man i'll say that the fbi

raided the president's house steve bannon is going is likely going to jail maybe they'll give him a slap on the wrist they shackled peter navarro at the highest levels of government they are arresting and imprisoning or trying to former members of this government. Jamie Raskin put a video of me in their evidence, reading an article claiming that I was one of Trump supporters calling for people to come down to D.C., fabricated outright. And then he has the nerve to fucking text me asking for money because he's a piece of shit. He doesn't know who I am. He didn't know what that clip was. And he doesn't know who I am when he's texting me for money. These, what we are watching with the Summer of Love in 2020,

when they started burning down buildings, nearly 30 or more dead. And Kamala Harris funded the bail for these people. And Biden staffers funded the bail for these people. The FBI, we have been swatted now nine times. And my private home, which is not on public record, has been swatted as well. Where the fuck is the FBI? I've got local law enforcement asking that question, but a garage pull rope, a garage pull rope. They'll go after the other two people.

Nonsense. It's got to be hard. The point is, it is beyond reproach. I don't think the country is fractured. A cult is in charge and it doesn't matter what else. Trump, I don't necessarily think is the answer. He's got his own issues. The fact is the country is split in twing.

At least in two. It's shattered. It's millions and trillions of pieces. But I'm thinking about John Hancock and the way he handled Shaya's Rebellion, which was like you could have thrown. It was all these returning farmers from the Revolutionary War. They went back to their farms and they were bankrupt because for two years, there was no one to run the farm. So when the city came in like, hey, we got to pay France back all our debt.

Farmers give us metal money. Farmers like, we don't have money. So they're like, all right, then we're going to take your farms. The farmers go to the courthouse. They protest. They shut it down. People get, I think people were even killed. They all get thrown in prison.

Hundreds of people foreigner people and eventually hancock realized the only way forward is to pardon this mess and come together that's what the point you need and biden could he could biden could come out and say this country has been divided for too long these men have paid their price they've been in jail for this long i say we clean the slate and try and repair relations in this country. And I'm assuming and the left would all cheer back. Biden's so gracious. And the right would just be like, well, that was that. That was good, I guess.

It would be in part of the people that are in prison from the January 6th. Pardon me. Let him out. It's time to move forward. But that's not going to. Well, it can. But no one knows what it's up to us. And while we're mad, Cass Castle is not mundane.

It's great. That's right. TimCass.com. It's getting even better, you jerks. I don't advocate for, like, just letting crime run rampant. I would like to see a pardon of past grievances and then start immediately, you know,

taking people out. The problem is, America is a crime racket. Like, around the world, we are doing massive, nasty shit. I'm going to be serious. You have people who are arguing that even after birth, you can kill a baby. There's – what is there?

What can we do? I don't know. I'm going to be super sappy. The kid who was struggling who wrote in on the super chat about how do I lead with love, like, man, again again you're already being more insightful than you know if you're still listening where it's it's that there are solutions obviously everything you're talking about is hugely important also the good regarding third trimester abortions only about six percent of americans support them but the democrats still tried to pass a bill that created a circumstance that would allow that's right well and i also think if like more democrats knew that

that was happening or what that was i blindly called myself pro-choice forever until I started learning about this stuff. I just didn't fucking know. It's a cult. Yeah. End of story. Deactivated NPCs, but you can wake them up. It is. You can.

But it is hard. I told this story. I sat down with a friend of mine. He's a very prominent figure. And I passively mentioned the abortion thing. This is Joe Biden. What? The Democrats' bill. And he was and he was like no no that's not true and i said bro here you go i handed my phone to him he read it and he's like he's i'm like read this number and he's looking and he's like

this says for the health of the mother and i said do you know what viability means and he's like yeah like when the baby is able to survive on its own and i'm like okay why would you abort a baby that can survive on its own and he was like well it says for the health of the mother and i was like what how is the health of the mother served by killing a baby that can survive on its own and he was like uh i don't know i'm like that's the question you can remove the baby from the mother right he's like yeah and i'm like and the mother like so if the health of the mother is she's pregnant but if she carries a pregnancy she'll die right well that's that's for the life of the mother the health of the mother is a whole different ball game you could drive a truck through that well and they've done that it could

be depression it could be any number of things that they could argue. But the Catholic Church allows abortion for the life of the mother. Right. But the health is a whole different ballgame. And this is, so my friend doesn't understand this.

This is very preliminary. I'm like, put it simply. If the woman is pregnant and she can't keep the pregnancy because she will die and the baby can survive on its own, why kill the baby? And he said,

I don't know. I i gotta look at this this doesn't make sense they wouldn't do that and i'm like bro do you think my show is fake i'm not making this shit up when i'm reading it dude i'm not sitting here being like i'm really conservative i'm like wow the democrats just did this thing and the left says you're lying no they didn't and i'm like fucking read the bill dude they try to pass in like an omnibus bill of like a thousand pages. Well, they tried saying we're codifying Roe. And then Manchin rejected it saying it actually expanded abortion dramatically. And that was one of the things that did.

The health of the mother is even crazier because they've justified killing viable babies because women could be depressed. No joke. Women have argued, if I have the kid, I'm broke. I'll be depressed. I said, Women have argued, if I have the kid, I'm broke, I'll be depressed. He said, okay, kill it. Jeez. That's like,

dude, if you're for that, fine. My point is this, because I want to rehash the abortion thing. We are at the point where people in this country,

the banality of evil, are advocating for and voting for the killing of viable babies and they either don't know or they agree with it. All right, fine. Civil War.

I'm in. No. I would prefer absolutely none of that. No. But I don't see in any strategic layout of what's been going on how – you mentioned you can't get any of these leftists on your show, things like that. We can't get any of these leftists on your show, things like that. We can't. How do you actually have a conversation with people

who just don't care? They just want conflict. I think it was Konstantin on the show, Kissin, is that how you pronounce his last name? Konstantin. Oh, shout out. He's my buddy. Yeah, he's the man. And he was saying that you really just can't communicate with the extremes of

any time. The people that have their – the 8% kind of came up a vague number. But don't waste effort focusing on them. Focus on the people around them and then warmly it will gradually alter the extremes. Was your friend of 40 years extreme? No, not in my opinion. Not until Trump. And I was quite surprised.

Sometimes I now question the viability of our friendship. For him to drop me because of this, I was shocked. Yeah, it hurts, man. But there were two others also. We weren't quite as close as this one, but there were three really good friends of 40 years because of Donald Trump. It's not the extreme anymore. There's no middle. I had a friend, a progressive female, relatively apolitical.

She did not engage in politics, but, you, she was an urban tattooed woman. And one day we were talking and she, and we got into the issue of trans stuff that was in the news. This is back in like 2017 or 18. And she said something about, you know, uh, transphobia, blah, blah, blah. And then I was like, well, they're, they're saying now that like genital preference is transphobia. blah blah and then i was like well they're they're saying now that like genital preference is transphobia like if you're a if you're a guy and you want a vagina you're transphobic and she said well that is transphobic and i said what does that mean and she was like well like you're saying like a trans person even if you like women you wouldn't date because she had a penis and then i was like i said to her i was like like, are you suggesting – so I was like, let me ask you.

You're female. You prefer males, right? And she was like, yeah. And then I was like, are you saying you could choose to be with a person with a vagina? And she goes, well, I probably have to learn how to enjoy it. And I said, isn't that conversion therapy? And she just blocked me out, right? Wow.

I didn't know you were friends with my exes. It sounds like she was more concerned with being right than having a real conversation. Of course. The issue is this. I don't think she was concerned with being right, with being politically correct. When you are surrounded by people who are telling you this is what you have to do and say, and then someone asks you a basic logical question, really just exploring the ideas. Like, tell me what you think.

Bro, we would end – I would end going on podcasts, like big ones. And then afterwards I'd be like, hey, what do you really – like isn't this a little too much? Like, yeah, I know. What do you mean? Like I remember one – i'm trying to figure out how to do this without getting in trouble let me use let me use me as an example so and this is a pretty tame i actually told the story i'm rogan this is a pretty tame uh example which is i um a kid wrote into the show was super depressed. He had – not a kid.

He was a father. He had a bunch of kids. He was overweight. And he wrote in for advice. He said, my doctor said I'm going to die if I don't lose weight, right? And so I emailed him personally. I sent him all these healthy recipes and I found a jiu-jitsu gym in his area. So about six months later, I get this email to the show.

And this is my show. And I get this email. And he's like, dude, you changed my life. I lost all this weight. My doctor said he hasn't seen such a quick turnaround. My kids are proud of me. And I just entered my first white belt competition. And I remember being in tears.

Because at this point, the show was going off the rails. Like the marriage was falling apart. I was depressed and I was like, okay, I'm still doing something. I'm doing something good. So I read the show on the air. And the next day we got like 10 emails from people that said by reading his email, his success story, this dude who now will not be orphaning his fucking children. I was fat shaming the audience. Wow.

And everybody that I talked to on the left where I was like, I want to unload on these emails. I want to be like, this is bullshit. You would rather fucking keep up your shitty fucking habits. I would never fat shame someone or make fun of them for being fat. But if you're going to say that this guy for getting healthy on his own is fat shaming, like that's fucking evil to me. He's the one who called you. He was concerned about his own weight. Yes.

He was asking for advice. But by me saying that losing weight is a good thing, this dude who would have died, that's bad. And everyone I talked to off air was like, oh, yeah, that's bullshit, blah, blah, blah. And then you go on air i mean i had i had lunch with a prominent writer and he was overweight and he was miserable at this meal and we started talking about because i've dealt with food issues and like addictive personality and we started going back and forth about how hard it is and he didn't want to order this like fried food and he was like well maybe i can like treat myself and it was a really sad thing. And I was giving legitimate

advice weeks later. And one of the biggest newspapers in the world wrote a piece all about fat shaming and fat is beautiful and whatever. And I was like, bro, I saw you miserable, tortured, but you would rather put that info out to the world to make yourself feel better. So, integrity is pretty key. It is. March in lockstep with what the acceptable norms are. I'm fascinated with people where they're like, they don't get any credence until after they're dead. And then there's like, oh, yeah, they were the real deal. But in life, they're just like ignored or abused or whatever.

Ridiculing people because they're fat is one thing. You are not doing that. No, I would never do that. But to pretend that being obese is somehow as healthy as being not obese is ridiculous. Right. Especially when people are asking for help, man. Asking for help is hard. Being overweight is hard.

Like, dude who I sat next to on the plane looked so embarrassed sitting next to me. Like, should have had two seats. And looked embarrassed when, you know, the stewardess offered him cookies. And he goes, no. Wait, yes. And you could just tell this dude was hurting. I was on a plane sitting next to a guy who had to be 350, maybe even 400. It's about the same, about 400.

Pouring over onto my side. And when the food cart came up, I was just like, I'll just have club soda. And then he goes, can I get a can of Pringles? And I'll take a coke and a sprite oh can i get the sandwich the the turkey and i'll take a snack box i'll take two snack boxes and then i was just like holy shit yeah like the dudes he knows what he's doing the way he was asking for it was like yeah man and it's so sad and when you can, you should be able to help these people. And that's why one of the pieces of advice I gave to that guy was that you got to be proud of yourself when you actually do something good.

Every day. It's a massive segue from where we were to get healthy, get healthy. That's right. But I can appreciate it. I just want to give like a final thought on this stuff, man. We have these two stories today, The FBI raiding Donald Trump. The FBI raiding Donald Trump is the highest level of government fracturing beyond repair. Then we have the Armin Arbery story.

That's you. That's you guys at home. That's you one day walking outside and seeing somebody burglarizing your neighbor's house. And then you saying, stop that man. And I'm saying, now you go to prison for the rest of your life or okay, fine. They shouldn't have chased him. The cop said not to that's you one day picking up your phone and following guy and filling them being like, that's the guy who just robbed that house. And the police walking up and saying, you're a Karen, you're a racist.

And that was a hate crime. You're under arrest. I'm, I'm, I'm saying it looks like we're going into deeper and deeper territory. And interestingly enough, you're familiar with Bleeding Kansas? No. This was the pre-Civil War era in Kansas. It was effectively a state civil war where they were fighting over whether or not it would be admitted as a free or slave state. It never ended. They say that Bleeding Kansas ended when the Civil War started because the conflict just engulfed the whole country. Kansas now is a red state that opposes abortion

that just voted to protect abortion. Sounds to me like... The first state that apparently has voted to outlaw abortion completely since the reversal of the early wave. But the Supreme Court of Kansas ruled that the Constitution guarantees the right to abortion so they tried passing a referendum saying no it doesn't and the state voted not to put that in

so now you've got this ruling guaranteeing it Kansas is looking like a hotbed of activity but I'll wrap it with that unless you anything else you want to add before we go nothing other than that what happened with Donald Trump Is an extension of the January 6th committee That whole thing is kangaroo court as I've ever seen

The Emmett Till jury was more fair than this one You're talking about two Republicans put on this thing Both of them hate Donald Trump's guts Including Liz Cheney and Kinzinger They don't have cross-examination There aren't any Republican witnesses It's ridiculous and Kinzinger. They don't have cross-examination. There aren't any Republican witnesses. It's ridiculous.

And for them to put it on at night in order to change people's point of view and to make sure that Donald Trump does not get elected in 2024 and does not run in 2024 is outrageous. This is just one more big step towards that. All right, man. Thanks for hanging out. It's been a blast.

I really appreciate you coming. My pleasure. For everybody who's a member, thank you so much for making this possible and we'll see you all next time.