Timcast IRL - Sunday Uncensored: Max Blumenthal Members Only Podcast

Episode Date: October 15, 2023

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Welcome to our special weekend show, Sunday Uncensored. Every week we produce four uncensored episodes of the TimCast IRL podcast exclusively at TimCast.com and we're going to bring you the most important for our weekend show. If you want to check out more segments just like this, become a member at TimCast.com. Now enjoy the show. Let's go uncensored and talk about what's gone with this conflict and stuff like this. Now, enjoy martyr him. You've got that whether true or apocryphal line can we can't we just drone this guy i think that if this was 50 60 years ago they'd have killed him on the spot but they learned their lesson with creating martyrs so they use rape allegations they lock him up and they just

try and completely suppress and destroy his work i just wanted to say that you know i mean i well i have the opportunity well you you met you met with him at the embassy, right? The Ecuadorian embassy in London. Yeah, it was an apolitical, very boring conversation, not related to really anything. And I don't know what the point was, but shout out to Julian Assange. Well, I'm out there in DC

demonstrating for him all the time. We do all the coverage we can to support his freedom, but I was actually, I never got to meet him, but we were in touch through encrypted communications, just talking about what was going on and with his predicament. And in one of our last communications, I'm going to struggle to remember this right, but it's very intriguing. He told me, can you call this number or these guys who are offering photos of me inside the embassy and exclusive video of me inside the embassy for money and try to figure out who they are?

They're in Spain. Okay. So I called them and in Spanish, I said, I'm a producer for Fox News and I have a million dollars and I want these photos and videos. Because the question is, how did somebody from outside the Ecuadorian embassy have footage of Julian Assange? It must mean a foreign intelligence agency had infiltrated the Ecuadorian embassy, which was what Julian Assange was always saying was happening. So I actually set up a meeting with them and one of assange's lawyers and a few other some of his lawyers went and met them and found out that a spanish security firm called uc global had infiltrated the embassy whoa they were their director um their director whose name will come to me in a second it's been a a minute, but I reported all this, was eventually arrested by the Spanish police in a sting operation. They'd been surveilling him. He'd been traveling to Las Vegas to the hotel of Sheldon Adelson, who was being used as a security company inside the Ecuadorian embassy.

They got a contract with Ecuador secretly on behalf of the CIA to surveil Julian Assange. And they were monitoring his every move, monitoring every conversation. They actually hacked into Pamela Anderson's email because she wrote down on a piece of paper her password for him so that he could check it or something. And they saw it with the camera and went into Pamela Anderson's email. Wow. Everybody. So I don't know what time, what year you went there.

It was, I think it was February of 2017 or something. Okay. So remember when Trump said last night in Sweden? Yeah. I went to Sweden and then actually I think it was early March. Yeah. It was March. It was around my birthday. So I think it was March of like 2017, maybe, maybe, maybe it was not,

maybe it was 2018. Fuck. When was that? So, well, this whole thing started when Mike Pompeo declared war on WikiLeaks in his first speech as CIA director and Sheldon Adelson supporting Mike Pompeo. Mike Pompeo said WikiLeaks is a hostile intelligence agency, non-state intelligence agency. That's bullshit. And we will destroy Wikileaks. That was his goal as CIA director. And that's what this operation was all about. So it all comes to a head in, I think, late 2018.

Ecuador's, basically Ecuador's version of the CIA director comes to meet with Julian Assange and they're talking about basically a prison break where they're going to get him out of there and get him to a third country that will host him the way Russia hosted Edward Snowden everything was in place they didn't know they were being surveilled

by the CIA so the next day the very next day in a court in northern Virginia the secret indictment of Julian Assange is issued. Wow. And they surround the place with police and they set the stage for his arrest. It's fucked up, man. And he's been tortured ever since. Yeah.

I mean, this is a guy who has two young kids, who has a wife. And the only way he can meet his kids is if their first totally frisk their mouths are opened and like if he tries to touch them before they're totally bodily searched his young kids police will tackle him don don jr came on this show i think he said twice the first was a call-in i think he said it here again that he thinks it's time that edward snowden julian assange get a pardon and and and just are brought back yeah uh i mean doesn't mean trump senior does it trump senior told candace owens he would pardon him didn't he didn't he really i believe so i mean like dude if that was the only thing i'd vote on like if that's true i just that nothing else well i mean I mean, a lot else matters, but that's huge.

He had the chance to do it at the end. I mean, you know, you know what Trump, you know, I think Trump was doing. Julian Assange knows stuff about the deep state. Trump wanted it. Trump wanted to use it. Julian wouldn't give it up because Julian is preserving his his legacy in his organization, WikiLeaks. So he's not going to compromise the entire operation because of

Trump wanting to expose something or whatever information Trump thought he was going to get out of it. Well, two guests that were being surveilled were Chuck Johnson and Dana Rohrabacher, who went supposedly on behalf of the Trump campaign to offer Julian Assange a pardon if he would agree to say, you know, Russiagate was a fraud uh the wiki leaks emails were not given to him by russia well my understanding leaks and so on week i i think this one's gonna come out to a matter of perspective my understanding was they were asking him to expose that it wasn't not to say you know what i mean like i'm sure there's a view that hey just like the people who hate trump are gonna say he said just just claim it so we can use it.

My understanding is they went to him and said, we know you have the evidence. We want it. Right. And when he said no, Trump said, then I'm going to take it from you by force. And so that's why he tried

to pull him out, which is bullshit. He should have been pardoned and released. And I think that would have gone way better for Trump if he had acted in good faith. But let's talk about Palestine

as the 51st state okay anti-semitism and all that we're going to talk about palestine as the 51st state it's ridiculous it is but there's one thing that i want to bring up so like back when isis was a thing when the islamic state was a thing there was this magazine that they put out called dabik okay and it was a legit magazine had great copy editors really put together well it was kind of unnerving to people that the islamic state was able to produce this type of propaganda in the beak one of the episodes or one of the issues they had an article called why we hate you and why we fight you right and it outlines it outlines the whole reason why the Islamic fundamentalists hate everybody that are not Islamic fundamentalists.

And I cannot recommend more strongly that you read it. Now, this does not reflect every Muslim, obviously. obviously but what it does do is give people an give people an inside look from the horse's mouth the way that the actual terrorists look at people that are not muslims they there's not mincing words it is straight up we hate you because you're unbelievers and we are going to kill you if we get the chance and the only thing that you can do is convert to islam and that is still a motivating factor in portions of the the or at least in in when it comes to islamic terrorism there are people that say oh well there are there are fundamentalist jews that hate other people and fundamentalist christians that hate

other people and that's all true but there's only one religion that's been chopping heads off in the past 10 years 15 years you know and i like i actually tagged you on it i saw that i opened it and then i was just i mean it's a it's a minority extreme sect of the religion that emerges from saudi arabia whichasem solomani fought yeah tooth and nail in iraq in syria uh because they're such a threat to many of the muslims who live there and the christians yeah because they don't like apostates anybody apostates anyone that's not a there because if i understand correctly there's a point there they they believe that everyone is born muslim and then if you turn if you revert yeah if you're if you're to being muslim muslim is like this day yeah exactly you're right you don't convert you revert okay yeah so so that means anyone that if

you're born and you are not a muslim like you're born a christian they to them you are an apostate because you have left the religion and that means that and what the only thing that they think that should happen to apostates is kill them so everyone on earth that is born a muslim and then they turn away if they if they follow any other religion so that means they're all they all get the sword like so and that's a real thing like that's a real perspective now it's not the majority but it is real and it is why people will strap a bomb on themselves and go and kill people that are not like them. Well the suicide bombing tactic was pioneered by a non-muslim group called the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka. Most suicide bombings throughout history have

been carried out by them and there have been you know forms of suicide attacks carried out by the... I'm not that the that islam is the only one that does it's not necessarily but it takes an ideological commitment it and you're not and people don't throw their lives away just for over economic reasons because the argument that that obama was making was oh the these people are in such dire economic straits that's why they're they're they're poor people they have they have no no other option, that's why. They're poor people. They have no other option. So that's why they're turning to terrorism.

And that's just not true. I mean, the most comprehensive study of suicide bombing was conducted by Robert Pape, the political scientist. It's called Dying to Win. And he found that the common thread between all suicide bombers is they tend to be occupied, militarily occupied. And when you're militarily occupied and you also are economically impoverished, it can lead you into some extreme

ideologies as well. But ISIS isn't really coming from that point of view. I mean, ISIS is ISIS. Also, we have to remember it was supported by the West. John Kerry was recorded. Secretary of State John Kerry was recorded. But their motivation was still the Levant. Their motivation was to recreate, to rebuild the caliphate. Yes. But you have other Islamist groups, for example, that are willing to live with non-Muslims in their midst. It might not be like the greatest situation for these minorities, but they're not trying to eradicate them. Actually, one of the inspirations for the name The Gray Zone was a paper that was called The Extinction of the Gray Zone that was issued in Dabiq. And it called for Muslims in the

West to destroy the gray zone, which is the area of coexistence between Muslim immigrants to the West and Christians and Jews and, you know, prevent the assimilation of Muslims to the West. And by doing that, the way they would do it was to carry out terror attacks in Western cities to polarize the population and then to cause like the native Anglo Christians to force them out so that they would take sanctuary, make Hisra into the caliphate. And so by extinguishing the gray zone, it would empower ISIS. And so we said, we're the gray zone, we're the resistance to that, where people actually can coexist. But also the gray zone has a lot of other meanings. It means a kind of warfare

that is less than conventional warfare, which is the kind of war that we all live in now because we are currently right now engaged in information warfare. Fifth generation warfare, yeah. Economic warfare. I just wanted to make sure to point that out because you were talking about trying to learn

about what the problem is and stuff. And, and there is a significant, uh, it's not large, but there's a, it's, it's influence and it's obviously the repercussions of it existing are, are significant because, you know, I would think people are asking that we get ben shapiro to debate you i debated him once without knowing i was going to on an old al jazeera show called the stream i remember the stream yeah with uh uh who was hosting that ahmed uh i don't know i don't even was he doing the stream i don't know if that was i don't remember them i should but i'm like getting early onset alzheimer's and i'm on two i'm two malorts down it was a long time ago all i remember is that they had to keep cutting ben's mic because he was just he wouldn't shut up he was just screaming the whole time and he wouldn't let me talk he was so agitated by everything i was saying it was like he was going to spontaneously

combust but yeah i guess i can i can understand why someone like ben would be agitated by this it's like a kirk hammett solo just he just it's like when there's a kirk hammett solo metallica it's like they just open a sound deprivation chamber and he's he's been playing continuously in there like but he was trying to do that throughout the whole debate. So if someone would like lock him in a, in a sound proof chamber for the parts where I talk and then let him out, I would do it, but he just won't do it. So like a pro what year was that?

Cause he's calmed down a lot. I've no, the last time I hung out with him, he was super chill. Like he was in a, in like a calm. So if we had a good moderator, yeah,

we probably get a really good convo. I mean, it would be like, if you step on this you step to the mic and you get your time i would do that yeah i i theater i i would be down to do that if we could do it i like ben uh all he does is insult me too he's like that that jew hating anti-semite max blumenthal it's like i i can i can bag on you too and it's not going to work out that well for you but I'd rather talk about ideas.

I like Ben, but I do think that for obvious reasons on the issue of Israel, he's going to be agitated. It's a polite way of putting it. In contrast to how you described it, I just say agitated. You know what I mean? I mean, respectfully,

I can understand why he would be. If we're going to take a risk or take a chance or talk to people we're not comfortable talking to, now's the time. But I don't want to put him on the spot it's just that we had a lot of people saying that you and ben would be a really if if it were possible but you know so talking about making palestine a state or offering them the opportunity to petition to be i just want i just hope you realize that it's like a literal impossibility nobody wants that and what are you

even referring to gaza yeah wherever we could help we could work with israel are you saying we can let me answer the question okay how about this okay i got an idea we get an island somewhere and we relocate everybody there and invest tons of money and infrastructure and give them a place that was the that was the other thought i was like we can we can we can send them away as refugees but that seems like almost like australia it's like i don't i'm done it's just it's already there cleansing i want i want to stay i want to stay right next to israel because they're great trade partners and i want to go to israel i want to chill there i want to go to egypt i would love to have an american presence there and it could be we could we could increase the value of the land we could bring high

tech what gives us and us the authority to do that? Because the British and the French are responsible for this shit. We're not the British and the French. Yeah, well, we've worked with the British and the French for a hundred years propagating the Jewish occupation or colonization of that territory. We have a duty to take care of these people.

No. No, we don't. We created this problem. No, we didn't. Well, the British and the French did it. Yes, they did. And maybe the Americans weren't't involved i don't know and the children you cannot promise you you you can't go and say because of our involvement in world war ii we are now culpable okay well that's one reason why the other reason is i want to avoid world war iii that's another

reason but we're not the world police we shouldn't be unfortunately we are yeah i know but we're not we have a duty man no we don't the the world police. We shouldn't be the world police. Unfortunately, we are. Yeah, I know, but we have a duty, man. No, we don't. The efforts of the United States to be the world police have been a disaster. Why do you think? I agree. I do agree with that. Being involved in war, I can understand. World War II and things like that.

There's questions about whether or not we should have even been involved in World War I or II in the first place. But at the very least, I can understand the U.S. being like, we have allies. We're intervening. There's a major war going on with people being imprisoned, murdered, and systematically killed. It's another thing for us to be like, hey, there's some bad shit going on over there in our country. Let's send our troops over there. No, fuck that. Also, that's why I'm like, you know, Cassandra is 100% under all circumstances the U.S. does not intervene in foreign bullshit.

And I asked her about, like, what about sanctions? No, no sanctions bullshit and i'm like okay me i'm like 95 percent 90 95 percent like there i i recognize that everything is absolute but in in almost every circumstance in my life where the u.s has been like we've decided to intervene in this conflict they've just fucked it up yeah the last 120 years have been insane oh by the way the hundred years war went on for 116 years and it was three 20-year wars so it's three wars so it wasn't even 100 years so we're both kind of right it was 160 so like world war one world war two and then modern day war is kind of like the three pockets of war just like that hundred years war let me do this as ian and i argue the merits of a 51st state of palestine what do you think Do you think there is a solution? I'm not saying if you could figure out what it was,

but do you think there's one? I went around the country again and again to every venue that would have me to talk about a binational solution or a one-state solution where everybody had equal rights between the river and the sea, which would, I think,

and it would end the source of the conflict, which is that the Palestinians are stateless and that they are physically separated. And now I think we've never been further away from that. I mean, this idea was accepted by a small, tiny minority in like academia. And we had little one state conferences with Jews and Palestinians and Israelis. And in Israel, a small group of people supported it. In Palestine, a small group of people supported it. Now, both sides are electing to decide to negotiate through violence. And it's not going to work out it's actually although

the balance of power is on israel's side right now in the long run it will not work out well for them and so i will i just wanted to put it on the record that i tried something else along with a small group of people i i so the u.s is in in deep shit right now bricks the the the bricks currency the competition for the petrodollar. I kind of feel like if the US loses its unipolar status, which is basically on the verge of doing, we're now entering a multipolar China-US world. If the US loses its position and falters, I don't know how Israel survives. Yeah. I mean, you talk about modern warfare. It's not just conventional warfare. As we said, it's information warfare. It's not just conventional warfare, as we said.

It's information warfare. It's also economic warfare. The US has imposed unilateral coercive measures. In other words, sanctions that the UN doesn't vote on, on one third of the whole world's population, but particularly on countries where it seeks regime change. And one of those countries, by the way, was Venezuela. Where is so much of the pressure at the border coming from? It's coming from Venezuelan migrants. The State Department in 2019 published under Pompeo a document boasting about having destroyed

Venezuela's economy. So what happens when you destroy the economy of a country to your south? They come to you, the rich country. So everyone in the anti-war right or anti-interventionist right who wants a hard border should also look at the perspective of let's stop destroying these countries. So what are these countries going to do when they're under U.S. sanctions? They're going to turn to a country like China that isn't going to tell them, in order for us to have strong economic relations with you, you need to have this kind of system and you need to recognize the LGBT community and you need to have a neoliberal economic system and so on. All China wants is just to shake their hand and cut raw economic deals. And so Venezuela is bringing China in there.

Syria is cut it. Bashar al-Assad, who has been under devastating sanctions, has gone and met with Xi in China, Xi Jinping, and they're cutting deals through the Belt and Road Initiative. And all these countries are getting out from under the dollar hegemony that has crushed them and in the end once the petrodollar is gone we're fucked the american way of life gone over yep people don't get it we don't make shit we we just print dollars and then we use those dollars to buy shit from other people because they need our dollars to buy oil yeah petrodollar goes so uh super simplified version most countries have to export more than they import.

So they have a strong currency. It's a very simplified version because they need to use their currency. Let's let's call it Ian bucks. If they want to buy oil, they first got to buy dollars. So Ian has to trade Ian bucks for dollars. Is the Ian buck worth anything to the American people? Depends. What do you make? So Ian has to maintain more exports than imports, basically selling more goods to keep a balanced budget so they can maintain a strong currency and buy more oil. Once the petrodollar is gone and Ian can buy oil directly with

Ian bucks, he goes to the U.S. and says, go fuck yourselves. I don't need shit from you. But the U.S. ain't making anything. We give our manufacturing up to a bunch of different countries for short-term gains from shit-ass politicians. So when Donald Trump was like, secure our borders, bring manufacturing back, it's kind of like, maybe we should start doing that.

But you get Biden back in, and they want to resume the typical, I don't know, what do you call it, liberal economic order policies of, let's just blow people up, and you point guns at them so they give us their stuff. Well, even Biden's seen the writing on the wall. That's why you have the CHIPS Act.

Right, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And that's why he sleeps all day this is because he's just he's just too tired help me poke some holes in this concept of allowing statehood to palestine well what would be something like in the way of that what they don't want it because he's a israel does not want a palestinian state because it would be a base for Palestinians to, in their view, organize against Israel within Israel. They don't want a Palestinian state

because the West Bank now has something like 200, 250,000 Jewish settlers in it. Where would they go? I mean, if you look at Jerusalem right now, the East Jerusalem is occupied by Israel. 350,000 Palestinians live there. They have Jordanian residency, not citizenship. And that part of East Jerusalem is completely surrounded with giant mega settlements that are like cities in order to cut them off from the West Bank.

So where would the state even go? There's a settlement called Modein Elyt. It's huge. It's basically a city east of East Jerusalem. And the master plan cuts the West Bank in half. So the Palestinian state, if you were to establish it now, would just be a bunch of cantons or Bantustans that don't connect to each other. And then you have the Gaza Strip and Jerusalem. I mean, that was Israel's plan was to cut them off into a thousand pieces, a bunch of pieces of salami and have the maximum number of Palestinians on the minimum amount of land. And that's why Palestinians started looking for a different solution, which is we're just going to go for rights instead of sovereignty

because we have no sovereignty. And rights within a Jewish state means we're equal. In a Jewish state, people who are not Jewish can't have equal rights. And so they've basically proven that Israel is not a Jewish and democratic state. As an Arab lawmaker, a Palestinian lawmaker in Israel. Ahmed Tibi said to me, Israel is democratic towards its Jews and Jewish towards its Arabs. Let's go to callers. We'll bring in our callers and see what they have to ask or say.

Let us do that. Hello. Aquaduck Studio. How are you today? Hey, what's up guys? Thanks for having me on of course my question is for max here um watching the episode tonight it feels like you weigh israel's response to ask that question again max was putting his headphones on there you go oh okay um uh watching the episode earlier tonight it feels like you weigh israel's response to

terrorist attacks as heavier than the terrorist attack itself to me the around justifies the find out but how do you balance this scale well when did the around begin i hate hearing myself on headphones i hear my own like nasal voice. So the easiest way would be, we'll just use what happened this last one. That would be the easiest way for you, but that's not the easiest way if you actually look at it from the perspective of people on the ground.

So yeah, the fuck around began. You can look at the fuck around beginning. When would you say the start date begins? Well, the easiest way for them would be 1948 when 750,000 Palestinians were forced from over 400 villages and cities, and many of them were pushed into the Gaza Strip. The Gaza Strip's population is over 80% refugees who have no state, no citizenship of anything. And if you look at the city of Ashkelon, which is being rocketed right now, that used to be called Majdal Ashkelon, and it was filled with Palestinians before 1948.

They were ethnically cleansed. This is something that's been acknowledged by mainstream Israeli historians like Benny Morris. And they were pushed into the Gaza Strip. And actually, many of them were actually held in internment camps, barbed wire internment camps, until 1950, then dumped in Gaza in trucks. And then Jews from Iraq and Yemen, which were destabilized through the creation of Israel, which fomented a lot of anti-Semitism in the region, were then moved into their homes, literally moved into their homes, literally moved into their homes.

And then later, Russian Jews who came from the Soviet Union were moved into their homes. So they're kind of like they're firing rockets at a city that their grandparents and great grandparents used to live in. That's how they perceive it. But we can also look at so many other indignities and assaults that have happened. 2006, 2007, Operation Summer Rain, when Israel began raining missiles down on a besieged Gaza Strip, the mortuaries were overflowing. This was according to Israeli media. 2008, 2009, Operation Cast Lead, over 800 people killed in the Gaza Strip, over half of them women and children. Operation Pillar of Cloud, 350 civilians killed inside the Gaza Strip through assaults by

the Israeli military. And you look at the Israeli casualties at this point, it was maybe 10, 20 people. Then Operation Protective Edge, 2014. In each case, Israel violating a ceasefire to carry out these attacks. Israel was fucking around in these cases. And that led to, I mean, that sounds like heroism to me. I mean, we could praise Israel for that. Well, I mean, that's, that's just a, a, a commentary and reflection on your own character, praising Israel for attacking caged natives in a walled off ghetto who are basically defenseless.

And what do you think it does to the mentality of young people to grow up in that? Do you think it makes them healthy and psychologically capable of having great relations with the people who are constantly drone attacking them? And no, the culture there is one of trauma, constant trauma. And you see people playing out their trauma through violence in these armed factions to get vengeance on those they consider to be their oppressors. And I don't like it. I don't want it. That's why I'm in this as a Jew, because I saw this coming and I see more coming. So you want to praise it? on praising it keep on supporting keep on uttering

cheap phrases of fuck around and find out it's not going to work out well for jews for palestinians and it's going to spread and drag us into a regional war that could turn nuclear i had a question aqua duck what did you what do you think about it was heroic oh i mean that's um kind of tongue in cheek because the response that we heard from the uh the the uh democratic socialists they said oh it was the hamas attacks were heroic you know so perspective you could call what palestine does when they fire rockets into israel you call that heroic you could call idf responding to the attacks heroic it's a perspective about lobbing missiles from far away into a ghetto i mean they're not they're not facing people what's

heroic about shooting rockets into civilian israel yeah i don't think either of many palestinians i don't think any palestinians consider it you know but like if you can justify one to go into a military base to go into a military base with american tanks and markava tanks and american military gear which they did and we never we're not talking about going and shooting for defenseless civilians what the al-qassam brigades and the siyara al-quds brigades did was initially to go into military bases and fight israeli soldiers face to face and the Israeli soldiers lost. And this is all on camera. And that's what they, I don't, I'm not speaking for the DSA. I don't care, but I'm talking about what people on the ground think is heroic. What I don't even know what the

DSA said. In New York, there was an event promoted by the DSA where they cheered for the rockets reaching Tel Aviv. And at this this event one man laughed about the hipsters who got taken by the hamas soldiers he actually explicitly stated that he was happy that they went to the music festival and and took several dozen of these hipsters and then he laughed and said i'm sure they're doing fine now many of them being dead of course being anti-american has become like the cool edgy thing in college they were clapping and cheering for it but i mean didn't you laugh when burning man got flooded no no why would it that wasn't like an actual like some people were like yeah they had it coming yeah kind of like they did us uh perhaps like they did like a ritual sacrifice for ukraine

and then got flooded no but i don't know if you noticed i'm saying we're talking about new york hipsterism we're talking about like people sure but i don't want to wish for their death you know what i mean for sure i mean okay have you looked at the pro-israel rally in our video of it no no okay play i mean actually aoc who condemned the pal the palestine solidarity rally just tweeted our video out i will play this this, though, from Glenn Greenwald. This is it. This is the video that she just tweeted out as well. Oh, okay.

Fuck Palestine. Palestine to my dick. What do you think the response should be from Netanyahu and the military to Gaza? Kill all Palestinians. All of them. Not one left from the river to the sea. Palestine will be deceased.

And Israel need to do like this. You see? Now, Gaza. Now one life from the river to the sea, Palestine will be deceased. And Israel need to do like this. You see? Now Gaza. Like this. Gaza need to do like this. He speaks English. I'm not supporting that either, though. Like this, but all this.

The prime minister of Israel is saying this. So the guy right now is showing a picture where it's Gaza, and then beneath it, it's just a parking lot. It's like raised. Okay, wait a minute. Let me just provide some perspective here. We as Americans provide Israel with $4 billion a year in military aid for them to spend here on weapons to dump on Palestinians. We should absolutely end all foreign aid. We give Israel more aid than we give to all of Africa.

And Benjamin Netanyahu is using this rhetoric. He said he will reduce to rubble all of the hiding places in Gaza, a coastal enclave that's besieged where half the population is children. The defense minister of Israel, Yoav Galant, said the people in Gaza, they're fighting human animals there. And he said that in cutting off the gas, electricity and water. Okay. It's only Israel has the power to commit actual genocide or they only have, they're the only ones with the weapons to be able to do it. And they are saying that they want to do it. Uh, members of Knesset from Netanyahu's party are calling for Nakba 2.0 on Twitter. The Nakba is the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in 1948. Let's, I want to try and get to more callers.

So was that sufficient? I know it's probably not because this debate goes on forever, but. It does. Yeah. Oh, that was awesome. Thank you guys so much. Max, thanks for coming on. Thank you.

Thanks for calling. Cheers, mate. All right. Up next. Oh, oh oops this is getting difficult to scroll there uh levity levity hopefully that's levity how are you with this yep you got it hey nice definitely could definitely use some of that nowadays i try to stay as white pilled as as possible. Hell yeah, same here, bro. So,

my question is to the crew, and I'm speaking from the perspective of the vast majority, 90-plus percent of my family is from Palestine or living there currently. Where do you think this conflict will be going? Say, especially with like the election year will this be used as some sort of catalyst for even something like an october surprise if

you will you know some people have said that a wartime president has never lost therefore democrats will benefit from this i don't i don't think so uh i suppose the the trump could stand if joe biden was seen as competent and as someone leading a nation through a war but he's not overwhelmingly people think he's too old he's really not right so it's like i don't know about that most people are really if i can like from I can gather, most people are not confident that the president is competent to run the country without a war going on. Never mind a war in the Middle East, which is unquestionably not something that could be won for at least not by not for for the united states and i think of the united states is mostly over getting involved in foreign wars the i don't think there's ever been a time in my life when america has had a a general consensus of we want to avoid or have have had

more people that had the consensus of we don't want to get involved in foreign wars so i don't know that that would help but yeah all i a lot of trump people are anti-intervention and anti-war it's really interesting i kind of i'm i'm with them there on that front like i'm i sort of side with phil on the whole subject of like just stop all foreign aid i i got this this feeling that this could be another short war like the seven day war but I don't think it's going to be seven days. But like, I know Ben said, Benjamin Netanyahu said that it was going to be a long war.

I don't know. I, I, I kind of feel like this could be the most extreme escalation we've ever seen. Yeah. Max, would you agree? I mean,

you listen, listen to what Nikki Haley said. Finish them. Yeah. Fucking gross. A carrier group being deployed, a U S special forces being offered up. Yeah. I just, it's like just it's like it's it's

hanging by a thread which is why i'm resorting to prayer it's just i'm not a spiritual i mean i don't think of myself as religious or any of that but like people can have dreams people like benjamin netanyahu can wake up tomorrow with a realization of something he can have a he would what i'm saying with the defense minister and all these people what if like tomorrow on the show ian's like i prayed to jesus and he told me what to do and then he gets up and leaves and then like two days later we're like what happened to ian and it's like peace has come to the middle he's like standing standing and he's like on a hammer and he tears the wall down and everyone hugs and it's all over and it's just like how did he do it and he's like just told me what to do because uh someone put me

in touch with lex friedman who got me in touch with benjamin netanyahu and we all hung out and talked about god yeah what do you think what do you think politically i mean what how does this affect the u.s internally well i mean that was a question for max but yeah well i was trying to get max to jump in then you i mean look at biden's speech today he's under extreme pressure because who funds his campaign i mean there's tons of pro-Israel money coming in. There's huge consequences. APAC, right? APAC. Yeah. I mean, Biden was a close friend of APAC. He said on the Senate floor that if Israel didn't exist, he'd have to create it. Whoa.

Everyone watching, just look up that clip. It's easy to find. It's more shocking than I even made it out to be. And it's also interesting to see Biden back when he was like coherent and like really spry. Yeah. It'd be cool if like in the US we had, you know, like hydrogen fuel cells and solar and nuclear power, mostly nuclear power because the energy return on energy invested is so fantastic. We were manufacturing things and everyone in the world wanted to be like us because we had the coolest shit. Instead, at some point, some fat, lazy Intel guy was like, let's just blow them up until they give us our stuff, give us their stuff. And that's kind of been the trajectory of American foreign policy ever since. Yeah. So from the Democratic point of view, you have an interesting dynamic. The Democratic

party is not Democratic. So, you know, you have the donor class. But then a Pew poll this year showed that for the first time, most Democratic voters do not support Israel over Palestine. Wow. They are sympathetic, especially the younger Democrats are more sympathetic to Palestine. Then you have the Republicans, a lot of Christian Zionists, a lot of people who support Israel for religious reasons. Older Republicans are very pro-Israel. But, I mean, you look at Tucker throwing down the gauntlet, who's one of the most influential kind of America first figures. And he's like, OK, Israel can respond, but this cannot go beyond that to Iran. And so Trump would be under pressure to oppose a regional war and his base would follow him. So I think the longer this goes on, the more you're going to see support from the American

public falling away. Wow. And especially if there's a ground invasion in Gaza, it's going to be so ugly. It's going to be disgusting. Yep. I like the libertarian, we should not be funding foreign countries. It's bullshit. America needs to stick to its own business I can't stand the tanky left

cut funding to Israel so that we can kill them all that shit pisses me off I agree with your invasion of Gaza by the Israeli military would be disastrous for the Israelis because people would have their video cameras up on the 7th floor recording the Israelis kicking a door open

dragging a woman out by their hair and the entire seventh floor recording the Israelis kicking a door open, dragging a woman out by their hair. And it was just the entire world would see the horror of what that door to door. Yeah. They do every day, by the way, in the West bank, but it would be on a much greater level.

We've got to try and get through these callers though. So a levity was that good. Is there anything you wanted to add to that? Uh, no, just shout out to what y'all do. And, the great community you've got here in the Discord.

For those that are listening, you should definitely be in the Discord hanging out. Thanks for calling in, buddy. Thanks, man. Cheers, man. Larkin, what is up? How are you? How's it going, guys? Pretty good, man.

Y'all had actually a really significant question in the chats earlier that you didn't really understand. The Red Heifer. According to Pamedic Judaism, ten perfect Red Heifers have to be found, drained of blood, and then sacrificed in the site of the Third Temple to bring about what their version of the Second Coming is. Right. third temple to bring about what their version of the second coming is right and so the first week of october that it was announced they found the 10th red heifer the 5th of october 800 rabbis stormed alexa or aksa uh temple and held a ritual there and then the 7th all this third stuff got wrong anyway so real quick i just pulled it up just real quick sorry i i just googled it a month ago

they said uh one hefford would herald the third temple and and the world as we know it this was reported september 8th yeah i mean what's really significant is you have these religious nationalist jews led by it exactly ben ben guvir who's the security minister and You can push it in front of you. Yeah, I'm just pushing it. Yeah, there you go. But yeah, Larkin, did you want to elaborate? And they're leading these marches up to Al-Aqsa, but the ultra-Orthodox rabbinate, the traditional rabbinate of Judaism, forbids them from going in without the red heifer sacrifice, right?

What they're doing is contrary to traditional Judaism. I apologize. The deep state, of israel is fiercely ethnically supremacist and uh religiously like zealous they really believe this stuff you may not but they do and so like they try to enact these things right i know it sounds crazy conspiracy i know but again military intelligence you don't really question them anymore so my question is the samson option i've i rethink it i think that the samson auction you look at what's going on in the west and the flood of refugees and stuff like that right where most of these refugees are coming from they're coming from uh middle eastern nations and you people ask

well why does you know the west care so much about israel well really that started in the 60s i believe with uh the the second uh how is the catholicism uh man why am i i can't remember that basically a lot of funding uh was poured into these churches from Israel to affect public opinion because they need to survive in a hostile environment, right? Well, if they want to enact these things, what's going to happen? So if they destroy the mosque and they want to rebuild this temple, what's the standard reaction for anyone that this is like their holy land, their holy site?

They're going to get pissed off and they're gonna act right so if all these nations are now flooded with middle eastern individuals that don't really have anything really solid yet anchoring them there and then a holy site is destroyed of theirs thus giving them an identitarian spike and a reaction when the U.S. and the West supports Israel, thus pulling them into this global war. That's what I think the Samson Option really is. It's not going to be like a nuclear bomb like people used to think. I was wondering if you think this is accurate.

The Samson Option, which is the title of a Seymour Hersh book about it, is basically Israel blackmailing the west with a nuclear strike if the west abandons it that's i've been feeling that in meditations for about seven seven years or nine years and uh yeah or they could do a nuclear strike on a regional country um country. Yisrael Ariel is an influential religious nationalist rabbi in Israel. He's the founder of this temple movement, wants to replace Al-Aqsa with the third Jewish temple. And in the early 80s, he attempted a bombing of the Al-Aqsa compound to destroy it. And he was actually stopped by Israel's deep state, the Shabak, the Shin Bet. Israel's security establishment is actually still overwhelmingly secular. And a lot of them are

actually anti-Netanyahu, are supporting the protests against Netanyahu. And they see this movement as destabilizing, not only to Israel, but to the entire region. Because if you blow up the third holiest site in Islam, the whole region is going to be set on fire and it's going to turn against Israel. So yet this movement has been really sophisticated in infiltrating Israeli institutions. And now you see one of its key figures as a security minister and one of its other key figures, Bezalel Smotrich, is the finance minister who's in charge of doling out money to settlements. So they're moving in there and they're becoming the kind of new counter-establishment in Israel. And that's what all these protests that you see against Netanyahu are about. They say,

oh, it's about judicial reform. No, it's really about who decides the future of the country, the religious nationalists or the old elite from Tel Aviv and Jerusalem who are kind of secular Zionists. Those are the Supreme Court of Israel? Yeah, the Supreme Court is their base. You know, their base of power.

It's like the only thing they have left. So they're going to defend that tooth and nail. We have only a few minutes left. So I do want to make time for these other calls. but Larkin, did you want to clarify anything or add to that? Uh, no, I appreciate your time. And, uh, the Holy land belongs to Rome, Roma and I don't really want to see people suffer and I've seen it firsthand. So I hope it all ends, but thanks for having me guys. Thanks for calling in. Bring back the Italians.

Yeah, we were talking about it before the pod. That's funny, man. All right. Funnily enough, our next caller is Roma Nation. How are you, Roma Nation? Hey, guys. This is your new elite member, AK, with Roma Nation. What's going on, Tim? What up?

Nice microphone. Yeah, good mic. Sounds great. It's the same one you guys have all right so so my question is for a failed journalist phil donahue here um after biden's failed withdrawal attempt from the middle east he left something like 80 billion dollars in weaponry and vehicles so my question is since u.s citizens are now confirmed killed by those same said weapons can biden now be complicit in charge with a war crime whoa i mean so realistically it's not going to happen but i would love to see it and i think that you could make an uh an argument as to obviously like i said i don't think it's gonna

happen but well i mean come on phil if we go after biden over this we have to go after obama over anwar al-alaki george w bush would have to yes we'll just go down the line we can we can keep going they all need to go um so i wish would have to be floated yeah i mean i i would love to see it but again you know we live in the real world where the bad guys win yeah i don't know about a war crime um i think yeah i wonder if there's some kind of uh congressional action for the abject failure in afghanistan that's resulted in this i guess the bigger question though is, are the weapons actually making their way to Hamas, right? You've seen those rumors, Max? From where?

Rumors that, I say there's questions and some reporting that I would not say is confirmed that weapons left over in Afghanistan have made their way to Hamas. I mean, Dmitry Medvedev, the Russian prime minister has said said weapons from Ukraine that were given to them by the U.S. have made their way there. Very possible. I know they have the capacity to have their own military industry at this point. And there are only a few tunnels going into Gaza that are still active. So they're not – the smuggling networks are weaker than ever before. Interesting. Anything else to add give you some context um if someone other than like hunter

biden's gun that was thrown into a school dumpster and was found by another person and someone died as a result um there would be harsh consequences for that individual so i think that would have some sign of some kind of a contrast to it but um but if it was biden's call to make sure that it was safe to exit afghanistan how does this correlate to his gun control initiative and does he now lose all leverage when it comes to gun reform in the states he should but he won't come on the gun reform arguments are going to be emotional uh they're not going to have real debates on it you know yeah i think you're making but the what i'm sorry go ahead oh you make an interesting observation about a leader that does something that causes some sort

of permanent change in the system that then leads to the downfall of their country like that leader would be hung strung up and executed by its people. So we're in a very tolerant society right now, for better or worse. And it might actually be tolerant for worse. I'm not sure. But at the very least, he should step down from office after that surrender. Yeah. Exactly. Anything else?

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Yeah, cool. So straight to my question. There's a question for Max and Tim. I'd say you guys probably have good insight, but obviously the rest of you guys can answer too. With stolen land being a massive issue on the table in this conflict between Israel and Palestine, do you see any parallels between this and our handling of the Native Americans? For example, making treaties that aren't honored and forcing them into certain plots of land, et cetera. Oh boy. I want to hear what you have to say first. So my views on,

man, I think the issue with American history and the Native Americans, war, conquest, we don't like it. I think my upbringing and my view of human rights and everything based on where we've come to is we don't do these things now. But I don't know how you go back in time and saw like, I guess I'll put it this way. Israel-Palestine is active. It's ongoing right now in a world where we recognize the problems of militaristic colonization i don't know if i have the moral standing to to solve a problem like that that

is active if i look back at what happened with the native americans i'd say there are two principal arguments one many on the right make the argument that uh like the aztecs for instance were sacrificing humans and you know doing other really awful fucked up shit. And therefore when the Europeans came in, they were like, yo, these people are savages, this is fucked. But then, of course, they were people who were absolutely not doing that, and they were more so fur traders living up the north,

and still got fucked over by people who were Europeans. Because people are tribalist, even the Europeans were tribalist, and they said, our people fuck your people. The people who have the bigger guns tend to take whatever they want. These days, we say having the bigger gun does not does not grant you the right to take from someone else. So where we are right now in the United States is I think there's a limit changing Columbus data. Antigamous people's day is kind of like, OK, do chill the fuck out.

Yeah. However, I fully recognize like, yeah, we don't want it. We don't want that stuff anymore. We do a lot of bad shit happened in the past. We've learned from those mistakes. We recognize the bad things. We'll teach the bad things as to why we don't want it we don't want that stuff anymore we a lot of bad shit happened at the past we've learned from those mistakes we recognize the bad things we'll teach the bad things and as to why we don't do them again as for what is going on right now in israel and palestine dude i don't fucking know man yes obviously like there's an issue of people who had lived there for generations well before the establishment of israel and then you have settlers who come from europe and people who had also been there but then you have these arguments i don't know enough about uh when i talk to my friends of mine who are jewish they say what was

palestine before you know 1920 or whatever like my family lived there before and they got kicked out it's jerusalem and that's where you know this really just wasn't before that even yeah and it was rome and i'm just like something dude i have no idea what the answer is because i'll tell you this if uh if israel let's say right now, just said, that's it. We're flattening Gaza tonight. All 2.5 million dead. And they just fucking destroyed it. And then you'd have the entire Arab world being like, you just massacre all these people.

It's war. And then a thousand years later, you're going to have people being like, my family, it's my land. And it's never going to stop. I don't know, man. I don't have the answers i don't know max well everyone every american should visit wounded knee uh in south dakota and just go up there and see the final site of a genocide that took place right in our backyard and it's on the second in the second poorest county in america with the highest rate of domestic violence teen suicide just desperation and despair reminds me a lot of gaza um and you go to that site and they have been shafted in every way possible what happened go ahead i was

gonna ask what's that city that was established for the purpose of selling booze to native americans oh it's right on the other side on the nebraska border and i forget the name yeah but i mean yeah the alcohol industry you know they've they're they're bringing in alcohol because technically it's banned from pine ridge so people go to pine ridge pine ridge is on the south dakota side and then they go to like uh i forget what it's called yeah there's a nebraska side a city established specifically to sell booze to native americans and they just get drunk for days and it's just it's a Nebraska side. A city established specifically to sell booze to Native Americans. And they just get drunk for days. And it's just, it's a drug of mass destruction. But basically they had been destroyed.

The Lakota Sioux had been destroyed through massacres, like Colonel Chivington's massacre at Sand Creek, which was celebrated in a arena level, celebrated back in Denver because they thought the natives were such a threat to them because they were waging an armed resistance against their own total dispossession. So it all ended in Wounded Knee.

I think it was like 1870, 1870. 1890. 1890, whoa. December 29th, 1890. Okay, and all they were doing there was a dance called the Ghost Dance. They had started to follow a prophet who promised to deliver them from the white man with this dance. And that dance was illegalized by the authorities. And as they were doing this dance on a hilltop, the seventh cavalry, formerly of Custer, who had been defeated by Sitting Bull, Little Bighorn, brought in the Gatling guns and massacred them. And now it's a memorial. And you see at that memorial, many American flags on the graves because many

natives from that very poor reservation have gone to fight in the US military. And they serve in a disproportionate rate because it's one of the few ways they can actually get benefits from the government. So the genocide was consolidated. The resistance ended. And Native Americans have either absorbed themselves into U.S. society or they're working for more sovereignty for their tribal land. But there is no more armed resistance. But it doesn't mean that they feel like so happy about what happened or that this conflict has been settled.

They were just crushed. And that's what's happening in Israel-Palestine. Israel is trying to crush the Palestinians and settle it the same way we did with the Native Americans, but the genocide has not been consolidated and the Palestinians have figured out ways of resisting it and being as ruthless as like being ruthless in order to prevent it yeah i think i will say

oh sorry you go ahead no no no i was just gonna say i think the the biggest the biggest issue for me with both situations is when you come into a place you either need to you have to make your intentions clear you're either there to conquer or you're there to, you know, settle and be part of their culture. And when we came to America, we weren't clear with that. We started to try to negotiate. We started to make treaties that we would violate treaties. We would slowly force them onto reservations.

We'd trick them into giving up their guns until we got them to the point where they just homogenize or die or died. Or in this case now, like they live on small reservations that aren't very well, you know, well-funded or well-run. But understand, you're saying we, but one of the issues is that several different nations, several different factions even, when some, you might have had numerous groups coming from the UK to settle in the United States, not knowing each other, not aligned with each other and not caring.

So it's more so a large mass of different people with different agendas from similar locations came in and just started settling. And then there were more of them and they had better weapons and they told the people who were there to fuck themselves. And the key thing is that they were settler colonialists, whereas like British colonialism was different

because they could always go back home to their little island. These people had nowhere else to go. So it's like, we either get the natives off the land and destroy them, or we get pushed out. And that's also what you have in Israel.

They are settler colonialists. Many of them, although a lot of them do can go back like have dual european citizenship many of them see themselves as having no place to go which is why they are so ruthless we we we've gone we've gone pretty late but if you want to add any final thoughts i was just going to say um well one last thing on that topic is that I think it's just very strange for us because very rarely are wars nowadays fought over a land specifically. They're usually fought over resources or only land so that they can get resources through there. Like Ukraine, they want to cut a dirty pipeline and stuff.

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The temple is in you. Christ died so that he didn't need a physical temple for you to go to anymore. You can talk to him whenever you want. Nice, man. The Holy Land. All right, man. Thanks for calling in. Thanks.

Cheers, brother. See you, dude. All right. Max, thanks for hanging out. It's been a blast. Yeah, yeah. Thanks for giving me a platform, giving me the opportunity to speak to an audience

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